The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe and Jada - Ciara on "Goodies" to 'CiCi' journey, story behind "Level Up" & Kim Kardashian

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by one of the queens of R&B and pop music, Ciara. They ask the Grammy Award-winning icon about her perspective on life and the industry as she hits the 40-year-old milestone, what went into her decision to go independent with her 2019 album 'Beauty Marks,' her most recent album 'CiCi' that dropped in August, executive producing the film 'Sarah's Oil' with her husband Russell Wilson of the New York Giants, her friendships with Kim Kardashian and La La Anthony, how Michael and Janet Jackson influenced her as a dancer, and who would win in a dance-off between herself, Chris Brown, Usher, Normani, and Teyana Taylor. Joe and Jada also talk to the "1, 2 Step" singer about discovering Frank Ocean and Justin Bieber early in their careers, Hailey Bieber's influence in Los Angeles, and how hip hop has been co-opted by every other music genre. 6:00 - What it means to turn 40 in the music industry 14:45 - Michael & Janet Jackson as influences 17:45 - Ciara vs. Chris Brown vs. Usher & more dance-off 21:00 - Discovering Frank Ocean & Justin Bieber early in their careers 31:30 - 'CiCi' album 35:30 - Story behind "Level Up" 38:45 - When's Ciara going to collab with Jada? 41:00 - Ciara's love for Africa 48:45 - 'Sarah's Oil' 59:30 - Jada walks off when Joe brings up Elvis 1:05:15 - Kim Kardashian & La La Anthony 1:07:30 - Hip hop influencing every other genre 1:10:30 - Ciara plays "Low" and "Nice N Sweet" for Joe and Jada [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] Joe and Jada now on Patreon All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, you get blessed to sit down with a lot of people, but this one is definitely the one of the ones I was like telling my team, I'm so excited to see you guys and to be here. Your two legends. Yo, y'all, what up, y'all? This is your boy Joe Crack. You know who it is, your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show.

Every show legendary. Every show iconic. What more can I say? Today's guest, you think about, I will call a quadruple threat. You know what I mean? Singing, truple,

dancing, acting, a mother, entrepreneur. Five, a Cinco, whatever Cinco with a Cinco threat. You know what I mean? She can do it all.

Great energy, great person. Life. My wife. Definitely wife. Mother goes with wife. You know what I mean? One of the best in the world.

Because the athletes, man, when they lose... Oh, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, give me those five guests today. Sierra! Wow. Crazy. Sierra, what so? Oh, my gosh.

It's just... No. Why you want me to... Listen, I woke up today, right? Because I never prepared for the show. I'm just like a... I'm crazy. I just shoot all the time.

They know that. I think they know that. Yeah, but the shit, you know, you know what I can't ask try to talk about. Anyway, let's not... Because we got Sierra Botte. Let me tell you, I woke up. It's going to take a lot to deal with this guy through this interview.

Just being with you, please. She knows me. You already started pre-interview. I'm trying to scare, I guess. My thing is, I woke up today with, he loves the way I ride it. I was just on Sierra's zone with all the dances and shit. I was like, yo, this one.

And then all your hits is like, to me, they just get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. While I'm watching, I'm like, yo, this was a bigger hit. And this was a bigger hit. This was a bigger hit. But, yo, thanks for coming to the Joe and Jay. So Sierra, what's up? Yay.

Another round of floor. Man, thank you guys for having me. This is honestly, I was excited walking through the building today. You know, you get blessed to sit down with a lot of people. But this one is definitely the one of the ones I was like telling my team. I'm so excited to see you guys. And to be here, you're two legends. that have impacted the game so significantly.

And I think for me, my greatest thing is just inspiration of seeing how, you know, I asked you guys to, like, you know, we were talking about what we're like, yeah, I know we'll get you. Yeah, where we are with life and just also to the growth. And when I see you guys in the evolution of what you meant to hip hop, but also what you're building, like it lets you know that there's so much space for life to get better. I think you could even get better,

Like I think we just touching the surface, but there's just so many ways, you know, you could take whatever you built your brand and take it. It's just so many ways. You take it wherever you want to take. I've seen something on one of the local channels. One girl, she was one of the first ballet girls, and now she opened the foundation of ballet. Like one day you might just want to be Debbie Allen and be like, yo, I'm opening my whole shit. Yeah. It's just so many great things you could do.

whatever you feel like doing. Yeah, 100%. So I'm an OG, right? So I said, yo, Sierra, how old are you? You ain't got to say. They all got Google and shit. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. But, you know. Some milestone age, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not there yet, though. No, she's not even there yet. How many days? Days. Days away.

Yeah. Scorpio's baby Scorpios of their Zodiacs on in the uni. They have any days. Scorpio's. Crazy people, man. Oh, this son is the Scorpio. It's all, isn't it? Let me tell you something.

The best. When I turned 40 years old, it was depression. Why was it depression? And let me tell you something. I had built the fly's house I ever built. The shit was flying walls out of gold. Shit was crazy. I'm doing just fine.

That wasn't a bad moment in my life. It was just like, we've been doing this just young. I've been rapping. I've been in the game since I'm 19, right? So when I'm about to turn 40, all I know is standing on couches and popping bottles. But that 40 hit you like a different, like I was depressed. They had to get me up off the couch and you know who told me.

Because all I ever thought of was I'm going to be a rapper, whatever. And 40, I ain't never see a rapper hit one out the park after 40. So my man, Dre, Akul and Dre came over. on my birthday, I was straight depressed. And he was like, yo, Joe, you know, Tina Turner ain't have her first hit until she was 47. So he started breaking all this down and made me feel a lot better.

Yeah. You know, because I was scared of what the future was for what we're doing. You know what I'm saying? So what we're doing is we're selling this brand. We're selling this and this and that. And then for a guy like me, it felt like, oh, they know I'm old now.

They know I'm, you know. So it was a lot of mental health that I was going through that one day, just one day. The next day felt brand new again. Everything's good. 50 felt better than 40. Wow. I remember saying,

I don't want to rap at 30. I was nowhere next to when 30 came. That was out of the fucking question. You didn't even touch it. Wow. Then when 40 came, I'm like, yo, got to live a little. I didn't feel,

I felt like I had a lot of more work to do. You felt like it's fucking over for one day. You know, bro, I screen that Smokey Robinson one day at the, it was the All-Star game in LA. I was like, yo, Smokey, you almost fell down the whole fucking, the escalator. I was like, yo, Smokey, he was like, they was holding them up. I said, shit, I almost killed Smokey Bobinson, my man.

The crazy shit is, it's like, I go to shows. I'll be, like, performing in Vegas, and they'll be like, next week, Smokey Robinson. I say, yo, am I going to perform when I'm 80 years old? If first of all, the most high let your body your vocals able to still

work to proper you know what I mean? Abilities is a blessing. What makes you nervous? Don't cut me off. I'm sorry, brother. In our game, we got to get rid of the mindset that

everything is a young person's game. It's young. The world has to grow. Babies is born every day. But there's no, whoever fucking made the age limit for rap and R&B and for our culture.

Yeah. We have to rewrite the constitution of the age limit. Like you just said, Smokey Robertson, Mick Jagger, all of these dudes, they doing touring

and going on stages, through their hundred. My series is me and you will be 80 years old. Like, Jada's up next. Like, you know, that turns up that. I got, I got mad. Yo, bro, I got tired.

I got so mad. You ain't got the leg for the 80. You ain't making it to 80. My shit golden, bro. Don't do that to yourself. Let me tell you, you see me at that. What makes you, what makes you fear getting a little older and like? Well, you know, I don't even know if it's so much of fear.

Because when I asked you, I said, is it okay? If I asked you guys how old you are. And. That's about the. time. You said my skin is so smooth, Joe. Did I? Oh, my. Okay.

And it's okay if I, you say your age, right? Joe? Yeah, I'm 55. Yeah. And. Grandpa. Then, Jada. Not yet, but when the day comes, I'll accept it.

In the hood right now, they got grandpies. It's 22. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's, that's just life in general. That don't change, really. But, you know, and I asked you, Jada, and you said you were the 50. And, you know, for me, I just said it lets me know, because I've been asking people their age now, like more frequently nor the chapter,

the era I'm about to enter. When people say it back to me, I'm like, man, I'm going to be all right. Well, you got too many, Viola David. You got too many. Who's the one I've seen the other day way older than us, Angela Bassett? Oh, she's amazing. She's looking like that. sleeps inside of an avocado.

Wait, what? She got the Asian mask with the lights and shit, huh? She's a crazy. You know, some man, some men get super lucky, you know, because some men don't, you know, and, but some men, no,

no, some men don't. Like, let's just keep it a buck. You know what I mean? You, you know, you might love your wife and you married her for something, or you with her, She keeps it real or whatever, but some of them,

they don't take care of them. Mental. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I aged well. It was too many guys that were like, you know, like this, sex symbols. Now I look at them now. Those boys are looking flabby and sick

when Joe crack come through floating with Euro. You're all right. I'm in like, what the hell? I had rappers grab me by the shoulder and study my face. Go like, yo, come on, dog. Yo, what happened with this guy?

This guy. This motherfucker looking like a monument and some shit. Like, I swear to God, I got some old school rappers grab me and be like, hold up. But you doing just fine. Oh, thank you. Well, you know, they say black don't crack, right? Talk to them, six. So they say that, you know, I do believe, though, I don't know.

It's just, it's aid to me, like when you talk about the power of music, too, music is ageless. Oh, yeah. I remember having someone questions. in a meeting like how are you going to stay relevant. And I was in my 30s, obviously. I'm still in my 30s. I'm going to hold on to these days. I got less.

Hold on you. But yeah. 30. Yeah, you know, 30s. And she asked me the question and I was like, like, what? I felt really offended because I'm like, what you talk about? What you mean? Right?

Because I'm like, to me, the age limitation or the boundaries, like, that's within me and how I communicate to my fans. You know, and I'm so grateful that I have to get to dance because to me, dancing is also ageless, right? So as long as I can bust it, get low. That's the problem, Sierra. When you can't go,

my goodies. Exactly. Goody's hurting. You got my 30-ist and out. But listen, let me tell you, though. When you say, no, I don't want to, if I, listen, I don't know if I'm talking to the majors at 60 years old, to be honest with you, like, I ain't. Like, I got goals.

Now, listen. I watched a documentary on Tina Turner and she was going. Oh, she was on stuff. Oh, no, no. She sounds up. They had Tina Turner live in UK and she was going crazy. And I'm watching this shit.

I say, yo, this lady was something else. Yeah. But you mentioned earlier too how some of her biggest milestones in her career has to later. Later in her career. So again, it's like, you know, what is it?

You know, age, nothing but a number. Like, that's the real thing, right? You know, and music is ageless, right? Music gives us such a gift to, like, go as far as we want to go. So I'll know when the timing is that like, you know, I have to sit down because the back

because dancing is a big part of my thing so I got to be able to sauce it up on stage if I can't sauce it up and I'm gonna sit down last week you did the challenge that never knew love like they ain't know I had the moves I came with that shit legendary viral you know I used to like to dance

like I wanted to be like heavy D and I would be outside of my projects practicing the heavy D moves you know back in the day before I rap I'd be doing the heavy D dances. Who influenced you? Like, who was like some of the people you looked up to? Well, for me, I would say my greatest influences on the dance front was definitely

MJ and Janet. Ooh. Yeah. It does be better higher than that, you know, because they both did it all. You know, they performed like nobody's business. You know, they were the best performers on the stage. They, you know, also melodically had the best records while they were performing. That's everything.

And what I love is. that they always talked about something through their records too. You know, like it was a whole package of who they were. And just they just, it's just the definition of the ultimate definition, an example of a star, like what it looks like, what it feels like.

And so for me, I would say those two are probably my greatest inspirations. I also got to, you know, talk about James Brown on the footwork, you know, because footwork is a big part of my thing and what I do. And he was just softy with it.

Sammy Davis was saucy with it. Like, you know, you understand the history where like MJ got his inspiration from. So for me, I would say those guys, for sure, is like some people that I looked up to. What do you like more? Singing or dancing? I love both. You know, it's a gift to do both of them.

You know, again, because, you know, I say there's like the most powerful forces on earth. I called three M's, music, money, medicine. And music can give you a film that money can't buy sometimes. Music has the power to heal people that if you're like a person suffering from terminal illness, music. Yeah, I want to die with music. If it's like that Joe got two days to live, throw that shit on her.

No, music money medicine. Oh. Those are free the 3Ms. No, medicine. Like medicine. Like music can heal you. Like music. You just want to hear something.

You just want to hear something. It's a gift. Yeah. So, my family, no. God forbid something happened to me and I'm on my way out. Throw that music on that bitch. It's going to feed your soul. I want to hear that shit.

Yeah. You don't want to turkey. You don't want to, I can't eat no more. I'm talking about you. You're on your death bag. You're terminal. The music. I want to hear some Marvin Gay.

I want to hear some Luta. I want to hear. I want to go out like that. You know what I'm saying? You want the music. Right. It beats your soul. And then for me, the same thing for dancing.

Like, you know, both music and dancing, they go hand at hand. Dancing is a universal language that we all try to speak in our own ways. Even if you came bust a full move, you're going to react to a record when it makes you feel a certain way. So I just feel so blessed that I can do both. And I love them. both the same, right? Dancing is a form, it's a way of freedom, you know, like mentally when you go in the rehearsal hall and you buy about, like, it's crazy because you talk about, like, we talk about age and getting older. And for some reason right now, I feel like I'm in my best pocket

when I start busting in the hall. Like, the way I remember routines are different. Like, my wisdom, the way I poured into how I perform is different now. Like, it's like, you ain't got to dance every sentence. You start to understand how to use, you know, all of your history that you've had over time to work for you, right? So, but music, singing and dancing, like, that's my jam. Like, they both bring me so much joy. The ATL, right? Coming from the ATL, such a historic place.

What was that like as a kid seeing, you know, the outcasts and the TLCs and all? And did you know you were in a special place? Oh, yeah. You knew it. Atlanta's special. I mean, it's a city that made me. And there's just so much goodness. Like, even when you talk about the artists, the producers, the Dallas Austin of the world,

the tricky stewards of the world, the Jermaine Dupreeze of the world, you know, what's his name, Rest in Peace. Rico Way. Rico Way's, like, Polo Don's, you know, the polos. Like, it was so much. The other guy, what's my man, Sean Penn together? Yeah, Sean Garrett. We did goodies together.

We wrote the record together. What? Yeah, we wrote that. Jazzie Faye. Like, so with you. And we're just talking. like I'm talking about the producers. Like I'm not even talking about the handful of all the writers.

You mentioned Sean, the writers. Like, it's like every block. You 12 years, at what point you think then I'm going to be a performer? I'm going to be this. You 12 years old knowing you in like the golden area. Do you know you at the promised land? Oh, yeah, for sure. Because you got to think about like growing like how music, you know, is ageless, music marks time.

We're talking about a lot of my great moments. Babyface. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, LA signed me. They started that whole shit. Yeah, LA signed me. Like, it was my dream to be signed to Airster Records. Wow.

Right. So being a young girl coming up in Atlanta, it was real special for me because, again, like, you're just surrounded by so much good music, you know, even the kilos of the world. Shout out to Jid, because I have a song with him. It's called Skate, and he talked about kicking the song up at the kilo flow. But it was like even the local, the smaller arts, that there was so much music feeding me. Like, it's inevitable. Like, if you got music in you and you,

dance and you got that special gift in you, it just speaks to your soul in a different kind of way. Like it kind of guides you a little bit. Like melodically, you're just like, there's so much goodness coming in from all angles. Yeah, I'm from the class of 93, so that's Nas, Jay-Z, all of those guys. Yeah. Who did you see him to come up? Like when you was doing showcases, who else you saw that really blew up that was like, you know, you're both coming up? Yeah. And then you've seen them take off too. Hmm. So let me see. My era, there was, um, young, there was artists like Lloyd, you know, he was coming up. Um, you got classics. Man, you're making me think, like, because there was so many artists then there was, um, there was some records that like kind of, you know, artists didn't go like crazy long, but they, I'm trying to think, though, like, you're making me like, dick, because it's a weird spot. Like, there's TOC gap and then there's, Monaco.

And there's, there's been, both for me. Oh, that you can come. Lloyd is a. Oh, Lottie's a great one because it was like right around the same time and that was a homie. You know, so there was that moment. Gosh, why are you making me? I don't know.

I don't worry about it. I see Destiny's Childs in the middle of Harlem before they had a song pop off. In the middle of Harlem before they were doing. I see Destiny's Child. Performed, you know, because when you come out, the name of the game is to get around and let everybody see you.

Oh, you hustling. Oh, yeah. I seen them before they had hits. And the men were Harlem performing, and I was just, and you knew, oh, this, just about to go. I see Doja Cat. Doja Cat was at the spot in Brooklyn to showcase and she went crazy. And I was like, okay. Yeah.

We're going to see this girl. I think about, now, moments like that, too, like for me, a really significant moment I've talked about before. It wasn't in my era, like the one I was starting, but I just feel like, I always, always like I know my stuff. Like I know my shit. Because I remember being in the studio with Frank Ocean when he was named, when he was called Lonnie Row. And like low key, you know, I've shared it,

but Tricky Stewart gave me his, his mixtape. The CD, you know, we were bumping the CDs then. And I remember playing his, I would like ride to the CD every day. I'm like, this, this guy's, he's amazing. And then he was like, don't play it for nobody. And I was playing it for everybody. I was like, this gig going to be the next joint. So I love moments like that when you see that happen.

Inspiration, motivation. Clear on your vision creatively. You know what you're talking about. And you know a star when you see a star. You know, like I love moments like that. You know, I remember also back in the days, you know, someone sharing Justin Bieber's project, like this new artist is so dope, blah, blah,

being so excited. I'm like, this kid's a star. Like, he should go and see L.A. I've never said this to Justin, but I remember like talking in small circles before people knew and it's crazy to see, you know, It turns out to be who Justin is. Yeah.

I'm going to skit because we ain't talk about your husband yet, but this Justin Bieber, I just came from L.A. Anywhere you see a cheese line for coffee, smoothie, anything. You ask, yo, what's that? They're like, oh, that's the coffee. Haley Bieber drinks it. You pass some other shit is the smoothie and lined down the block 10,000 people. Yo, what's that?

That's this movie. The Haley Bieber dreams. You know my man She is so influential What do you know about Haley Beaver like that? Why do the girls Follow her to that level?

Haley's fly Haley been fly Yo, I'm not exaggerating She's been that girl though Haley's been like just dope fashion-wise She's always been on her stuff She's just dope You know if you get to know her to

She's super sweet I'm so proud of her though Because what she's done is amazing Crazy Yeah, it's amazing. I mean it. Any way you go in LA for, it don't mean nothing.

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Eight studio albums, Harvard Business School Graduate. It's all slow, tall. Well, I actually, I did this thing. It's called the BIMS program. It's for Business Entertainment, Media, and Sports. For Professor Anita L. Bersi, she's amazing. She's a legend at Harvard, the Harvard campus. And I've always wanted to go to school.

Like when I started back in the days with goodies, I skipped college because that was the beginning. I was just like 18, 19 years old. So, you know, I always wanted to have a chance to go to college. And so that was my experience. I didn't do a full-on, you know, course, but it was a moment that I had. And I actually want to go back and spend more time when the time is right. You know, maybe I'll do that when I hit the errors of my 50s. But, you know, that was a special moment.

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Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War.

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How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Coogler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director.

Who do you think he is? I don't know. You mean, like, the president? You think Canada has a president. You think China has a president. Those law a rouset. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time.

I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. I like that. It is an actual Polish saying. Yeah. It is an actual Polish saying.

Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually thought it was. I got that wrong.

Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Paul show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 2025, C.C. Tell us about that project. Yeah, so C.C., y'all know. That's my nickname. No doubt.

Whenever I see my fans in the streets, they'd be like, what's up, C, C, C. And it just feels so personal for me. So, you know, this chapter is significant, you know, being an independent artist, you know, running my own label is not for the week, you know. But what I realize is that, you know, the power, one, it all comes from God. He's a CEO of all CEOs, right? The boss is all bosses and what he says is going to go.

But the truth is my fans. Like if it wasn't for my fans, I would not be here. So this has really been the error in the chapter of gratitude for me. because it's 21 years since goodies came out. And to be sitting here talking, you guys, feeling as young as ever, you know, but also feeling like I have so much opportunity in front of me. And I'm also doing things my way and how I want to do them and how I envision them. And when I want to, it's such a blessing.

But to have my fans with me along the way is so significant. Like it's so, it's like I wish there was a better way to say thank you. So for me, given my project to my fans, the CC album was a form of my gratitude to them. Because I basically started making this project back in the pandemic, like almost six years ago or five years ago. And I released songs and bits. And I was like, why? Let me start releasing in, like, as individual records. Let me just give them a complete package.

So, I mean, since then, I've literally been on, you know, I've had two babies along the way. You know, I've been on tour with, shout out to Missy and Bust. and Timbalin, that was special. You know, a lot has happened along the way. And so I said, let me put a bow on it. And let me just feed my fans in fullness. And so C-C is the product of that and my feelings. But again, I'm just so grateful.

You know, it's funny because I remember processing, like, where am I as an artist? Like, where am I going? Like, do I feel as 100 about as I've always felt like all these different questions? And like, what are my fans going to think? Like, I'm not going to lie. Like, you know, I feel like we don't live in a time right now where the pressures on, like, first weeks and all this kind of stuff.

There's so many records that come out now. That's a whole different thing that was not. Well, there's a thousand songs that come out of day, right? I'm independent. I never lost. I sold two million records with Atlantic. They tell me I still owe them. Wow.

I went independent, put out albums that sold $100,000, $150,000. I made millions. Yeah, 100%. So, you know, the thing with independent is got to be seamless. Your fans got to look. They do not care. No. If you're on fucking Warner Brothers or you're on.

Nope. Tito Plato records. They don't give a fuck. They don't care. No, it's true. And if your video's still fire, you're working out. You know, I don't think you have money issues because I ain't going to lie to you. That fucking rock on your finger from here is the most disrespectful shit.

Look like that light. It looks like the light. You look like the shit that took down the Titanic. And I've seen shit. That shit right there. Oh, my God. You don't have a problem with independent. But my thing is, I prefer independent because I have a problem with certain people having authority over me.

Yeah. No, that was a real thing. You know, that's why I said, begging them. Well, yeah, you got to wait for it. Yeah. It's the truth. Fuck these dudes right here. They all bozos too.

No, it's a true. You know what's crazy, though? Here's the big facts. I'm sorry. But everybody has, everyone has their own journey, right? For me, I definitely feel incredibly empowered to be doing it my way. Because literally the day, you know, I had one of the worst, I call it one of the worst meetings in my career, I would say, in one day and the next thing to the death.

So I went in with level up, right? And so I'm trying to make this story short. But basically, I was in the recording system, the major system, right? I don't like saying the name. But I was in the sign to the label, and then there was a rotation of CEOs coming in and out. So you all know, like I know, when you have a new system coming in, you have to resell all over again. And that's exhausting. Not only that, they come in with a new monster or how they want to run.

Yeah, new mindset, knew everything. New favorite people. So you got to convince them all over. Yeah. So you got to do it all over again, right? So that was my second round of having to do that again. I'm like, man, this is crazy. Because you already start the process.

You already know where you want to go. But I've got to sell the next person all over again. So I had the meeting with the gentleman and with the guy. And then, you know, I played him the visual for level up. Played him the record. I'm like, you know, I think this is going to be crazy. You know, I'm feeling real confident. And he basically was just kind of looking at me like, like, oh.

Like he didn't see the vision in what I saw. And so I walked out kind of like Depleaded because I'm like I was so hyped up For this meeting and now I'm about to get this record out And he yeah but it's crazy because The power manifestation is real Literally a few weeks before this Russ and I was sitting up late in because I was so frustrated

With the system in general I'm like man I can't wait to run my own label one day Like I can't wait to do it my way And we start researching like people that own their own labels Women that had their own labels Like we just start going to this whole like rabbit hole So then fast forward to literally is crazy.

Like what you say is so important. Like there's life and depth in the tongue. So I always say when you speak, you have a chance to tell your life story, say great things. So I'm like talking like subconsciously speaking life into what I wanted to do, literally have that meeting.

Worst meeting in one day, the next day, one of the best days because I started Beauty Marks Entertainment, my own label. And my idea was that all the scars you get from the opposite you face in life or your beauty marks.

So I was able to look at life's journey and be like, you know, all that I've gone through that hasn't been so beautiful. and felt so ugly and so, like, uncomfortable. When I went through it was, they're my beauty marks, right? So me kind of just, like, encapsulate my journey.

But anyways, you know, I asked my message back, gave them to me for free. Didn't believe like that, like that, right? Like that. Yeah. So. I know who to call. I need to talk from me. I'm going to call Joe.

Joe, let him know. Let the hammer out. Get on him. No, I love it. No, but I asked for it. gave it to me for free, and then, you know, I'll never look back. And now fast forward to levels, level up is almost four times platinum to date. All your money.

Yeah, it's a blessing. And it's a song, it just keeps on leveling up, right? You know, just recently it's the song for the Starbucks, you know, commercial for the protein drink they have. And there's just been so many opportunities to start a retrending all over again on TikTok not too long ago. And then, you know, God works. Yeah, God is so, as I say, he's a boss of all bosses. So like whatever he said is going to be, you know. The CC album, I've seen you cooking up with Tigers.

Yeah. I've seen some footage of all our guests I usually have a song with. I just want to know why he never called. Oh, listen, you say less. When I walk out of here, I'm going to have a record. There's no more. No, you don't understand. You don't understand.

You know, because I... Come, no Grammy for him, dad. Listen, because I flagged you down. Wait, I flagged you down at the Knicks game. Nix game, yeah. We got to work. I said, babe, I got to, Jayda's going to go. I got to watch it.

Because, you know, sometimes you go back to the back, but you don't understand. Like, you are like the best, you know, like. You're a tiger cooking. That shit was dope. I'm like, yeah. By the fact, I would have been perfect on this show also. Hey, they're too late for a remix. It didn't to the second part with both of y'all.

It's not too late for a remix. No, no, cool. I'm here, baby. You know that. Done, done. Then the second part, I feel is one thing I don't like being signed to the majors that all of the hard work, everything you showed them which you can do. Yeah.

How the hell every time you want to release a project, it's like you got to keep selling it and keep doing the audition. Yeah. Do you not know who would be your art? Why the fact they would turn to like back the star search? Why don't you make your own independent and hire me? I'm scared to go independent. Hire me for free.

You're scared. As your CEO. And I show you how to do it. Fuck them, man. I'm telling me. Yo, we show them. I know how to do it. No, that's my own.

I've been green. I've been winning. That's what. Winning like I never lose. I've been fucking winning independent nonstop. That's why the power of believing in yourself is so important. Right? Because you don't believe in them.

Especially when you're in those moments because, you know, you got, those are not flags. This is good stuff. Those are good flags for once. Okay, good flags. It's a good flag. Word about me. Yeah, I know. It was a good flag.

Those are flags of delusion. You got a gain on it. You got a gain on the flag. Gain on the plate. Yeah, I got a gain. Look, with the first, all our football, you see, she telling them. Hold on. We're going to get into that.

Yeah. First international artist on the Rolling Stone Africa coffee. What's up with Africa? Africa is the best, man. Africa is special. You know, I've been fortunate to go many times over the years in my career. And it's different when you go over there. The people, the sauce, the talent, the music.

Before Afrobeast was a thing in the U.S., I'm going to tell you now, I was own it. I remember telling my team, I was like, y'all, I think this is going to be the next wave in America. I'm telling you right now, it was. you know, the T-Wa-Savages, the technoes of the world. I was literally dancing in the streets of Lagos in the street streets, like talking about, like they had to have the guys posted up, watching, you know, only the guy who, like, lived in the neighborhood

could shoot me like all kind of stuff on the visual, but I remember being out there because I always love. My thing is when I go to Africa, like there's some parts that like leaves me in tears when I leave sometimes, you know? And I'm like, I can't go here and just take, meaning going to perform. Like performing is. amazing there. But like how can I

give? You know, like you want to find a way to like give or do something. And for me giving doesn't have to be in a monetary form. It could also be just in your time. Touching the people going to the schools. Like, so for me, I've just, I've, I have, that's one place in this world I've fell in love with.

Sierra, I don't know if you recalling, I've been battling with myself about telling this story. I tell it behind your back. What's that? I'd quite as well. I toured Africa with Sierra. Yeah. Yeah.

We went on to me in Africa. Was that like a booja? It was like all these different places. We was all over. Listen. Yeah. Yeah, that was crazy. I'm going to tell you a funny story.

Tell me whether, you know, this was crazy, right? Yeah. So me and I tore in Africa and she's whipping it down. We're ripping it down. And they used to do lean back on your set too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we go on. We every day in the tour.

So one day I go on the plane in Africa. And there's a girl right next, somebody next to me with the hat, with the shit, covered, covered this, this, that. And I sit down. You know, I don't never bother nobody else sit next to. And I look, and I'm like, yeah? I'm on tour with you and she's like, hot in her face. Why would you be hiding your face from me?

She's like, nah, Joe, you know, I'm like, I was no craziest shit ever happened to me in my life. I'm like, I'm with you every day. Why is you do that on the plane, right? Oh, I sleep with a blanket over my face. Yo, that's fucking crazy. I'm, yo, I'm with an everyday performing. Yeah.

I get that you on the scene on a flight. No. Listening, clearly, Joe, it's crazy. That's great. And back in the days, you said using your 40s, he was real crazy. Oh, yeah. So you, though, we got a, Joe come with a blan. No, it's flat.

Yeah. She was dead ass like, I was like, yo. Tierra? I performed with you last night. I said, Joe, how you doing? Show running around. Staying out of the way. Nothing like Africa.

Yeah, no, Africa's special. I just recently got a great opportunity to go to Benin. And I got my dual citizenship there, which is cool. So the first person, international person, to get a passport certified in Benin. So it's a new whole thing they're doing for the African Diaspora, where you can go and get your dual citizenship and the president Talon gave me that opportunity.

But it's just special. It's a magical place. You know, I got to shout out Diamond Platinum's. You know, he's on my song low. And that's been incredible, just engaging with him. Like seeing, it's just different, man. Like, I can't even explain it. Like, it's something so special.

It's intangible. But it's like you, it's like, I want to keep spending time there. Like, I want to keep pouring into that place. Because when you go, that they pour into you. You know, like, it's really different. You're staying, Ali Bumayay, when you're in Africa in the middle of a village and they're chasing you and you just walk. You feel like Muhammad Ali.

Oh, it's special. Like, Ali Bumayay, you're walking through. You go, you ever been to one of them? I've been over there. I'm supposed to go back. Jay, oh, Jay, duh. You be walking down the street. It's special.

I've been in Africa where they cut your hair with the, real razor, the fucking razor razor, not a razor, but razor. And to cut that shit, you know, like the real razor and they're giving you a cut and there's 5,000 people outside watching you get your cut. And they fucking shake. You know, Davido, I met him with here at the All Star Game and he was like, yo, I've seen you in my village 10 times when I was a kid. You ain't even know what's me.

We was in Africa hard though. Yeah, and all is special. I understand everything you're saying. It's different, you know. It's so funny because... Shout out my favorite African group of all time they call Magic System. Magic System.

You know, they set that bitch off, man. That shit was crazy out there. Magic System. Y'all know that song when y'all get it, man. But, yeah, Africa's special, man. It's different. No, for sure. Let's talk about this film production.

Tell us about Sarah's oil. So before we're going on, I want to speak on one more thing, I'm in Africa. Okay. Because I also have a cool record with Molly and Oxlade as well. And, you know, like I said, I'm only in my African bag right now. All right. Which, by the way, you know, I've seen a couple of days.

People have been saying when they're like, you know, checking my timing on when I've been tapped in to Africa and the Afro beats and the music, I've been on that. Like, go back in time and shout out to techno because I did a record with them for almost like, It's been like almost eight years since we were doing a song and get it. So I've been tapped into.

People try to act like you just get it. I'm trying to act like it's new. Like we're trying to follow something. Like, no, we've been. We've been there. You know, so I got it. When, could you Google when another round came out with Chris Brown?

Because I was with Chris Brown on tour. You don't know that one day we was on a show together. That was a big festival. And 2011, what's now? 2025? Yeah, 14 years ago. So 14 years ago, I was with.

you in Africa and you don't know we politic that song backstage. We was talking and Chris was like, yo, Joe, that's work. I said, don't fucking lie to me bro. Don't lie to me and say you want to work. He was like, nah, send me the joint. And that's how we came up with another round. You was in there, you was at that show with us too. That's crazy. You've been tapped in that. Come on now. Let him know, Joe. It's good networking, Joe. Let him know. But yes, I mean,

network. What did you say, Jay? No, he did some good networking backstage with C.B. Come on now, hustling. But yeah, no, so, and by the way, on that record, the nice and sweet record, because my fans were asked me about this song, there's a couple of technical difficulties happen in the background on the nicest sweet record. So it's supposed to be on my deluxe album that came out back in August. But the cool thing is that now the fans will be able to get it. And it's going to be on my deluxe vinyl that will be coming out that they can pre-order

once that record comes out. November 14th is a big date for that song. and again, nice and sweet, Oxlade and Molly. Again, I'm just, you know, it's just such good vibes all over. So I'm excited for that. Yeah, I'm excited for it. Now we can talk about Sarah's oil, yeah. Sarah, you know, that's a young legend.

You know, she was the first black, or one of the first black millionaires at just the young age of 11. And she discovered the value that her family was sitting on in reference to oil. And so I don't want to get too much of the story. No, you got to check it out. No, she was serious. You got a movie for you. Pull your shirt down, Jada.

They try and let you know. Nobody ever helps me. But thank God they're helping you, Jada. I watch the episode. My shit be up here like this. I look like con chocolate out this motherfucker. Like, yo, chocolate. You know what I'm saying?

November 7th is the big day. They're being theaters. I'm actually going to pull up to one of the theaters here in New York. So I'm excited about that. But yes, me and Russ did it. in collaboration with our Wyni of your productions company in Amazon Studios. It's a beautiful story and so necessary,

especially considering where we are with history and like continuing on the importance of telling the stories, you know, of moments like this for Sarah. Like it's special. Yeah, so I'm excited for that. Do you live in New York or you live in Jersey? I'm in New York area.

You're in New York. Yeah. I can't do it. Like, like, like, I love it. Come out. a Midtown Manhattan building. You want to see people or you don't want to see people. Yeah, exactly.

You don't want to see people without a kid. I don't want to see them outside my front door. Like, I don't want to come out and the post office be like, Joe, Joe, Joe, I'm crazy. But can I tell you, though, the people here have been so amazing. Like, it's that thing when I be like, hey, C, C, C, like they'll say, hey, C, C, and keep it rolling. Or if I'm like, I'm in mommy with my babies, they'll be respectful.

You know, now some people, they just get really excited. And that's a blessing, too. But I love the city. I love the energy. Like, it feels like you're walking in a movie set every day here. Like, it's always something happening. I'm like, don't try to shoot some kind of drop or video outside because you can forget about it, right?

You got horns beeping, ambulance is going on. Somebody cursing somebody out. We had the craziest. I can't do that. So listen, for me, I'm from Decatur, Georgia. So Decatur, Georgia, where I'm from, like, you know, it wasn't the, it was a little. little rough, right? So you see a lot. Okay. The rough in New York is a little different than the

rough in Decatur, Georgia. But it's all, it's kind of same language kind of stuff. So I remember being in the McDonald's the other day and this man was going off. Like, I'm talking about crazy going off and my kids are with me and I'm like, what do I do? And I say, A, Rube. I asked the care, I was like, is it two of them or it's just one? Because I'm like, if he's one, we are, because he's just going crazy. But if it's two, then we might eat a shake real quick. But it was like it's literally nonstop like that and then like you know I kind of like let the kids like hear a little

because I'm from me like those little things added color to my world coming up but you got to be smart though right you know you want to be smart you want to make sure you keep your kids out of harm's way but it's just like it's literally never a dull moment in New York no like it's crazy but it's so

good like culturally I'm so guilty I don't know who taught us in the hood like going to the ghetto Chinese we argue for no reason you're with my fucking catch up you ain't put enough duck sauce in my show I don't know

but a movie it's just a cultural thing it's like you go in there just to argue with them that's just cultural that's like you just growing up where it's like it just becomes in you

and a party now I wouldn't argue with people with my duck sauce but I know what you're saying no coming up and you're just probably being a hot head right

crazy just for no reason just like I'm going to argue I'm going bad yeah For no apparent reason. It's a little part of the New York way, but I think when you know that, like you just go,

there's just so much diversity and so much, like, culture here. Like, even for our kids, like, I love that. Future's playing basketball with, like, boys, you know, a lot of boys that look like him. You know what I'm saying? Like, where it's a lot of, like,

it's also a lot of dog. Like, I love, for me, the dog that I was, how I was raised, like, that was significant for me. You know what I'm saying, from where I came from. So I love that our kids get a little bit of, they get a little taste of something new and different,

but like a little edge to them, but they know who they are, though. Like, they got to know where they are in the midst of it all. But it's a lot of, like, goodness, you know, coming from this place. And my dad's from New York, my dad's from, he would say, I'm from Harlem, 125th Street. When you ask him for him, he's from proudly growing up,

walking around with the boombox on his shoulder. So it's like, you know. I'm looking at you right now. I say, yo, Sierra, they're not even looking at you like you from somewhere else. They're looking at you like, you from New York. You don't give off, I'm from somewhere else vibes. You give off, I'm from New York vibes. And your husband, man, the man on a team, you know, playing for New York,

that's a different type of, we got love for whoever's supporting New York like that. Yeah, the lights are big in New York. Educational questions. No, the lights are big. You mean, intellectual human being questions? question. Top five that all out.

Any more tours coming up? More tours? 100%. I'm actually planning on next year. I'm putting together plans. Like, I really want to travel the world. You know, ideally.

Like performing or just traveling? Yeah. I want to travel across the pond. I want to go to places like Asia. You know, I want to go to Africa some more. I want to go to Australia. It's actually something really

really cool. I'm like, I'm confirming right now that's happening in Ozzie for next year. So I haven't done like my own tour in a while. So it's time. It's time for me to take Cece on the road. Which by the way, what I was saying earlier, just going back, like one thing I got to go back to the fans again because what they show me on this journey was to keep going. So I've been processing like what, you know, like if you listen, there's a saying, if you live by the cheers you die by the booze. So, you know, you hear so much. You know, you hear so much. conversation sometime that if you're not in the right space. That's legendary for anyone like famous or entertainment. You live by the

cheers? Yeah. God. Yeah. And the world can be like yesterday's price, not today's price. That's what you know. That's the little one. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own

podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game.

His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like,

after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is, getting a racist statue removed.

And here's something that should be be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the civil war. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit, Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to, to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space.

We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about. and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Kugler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is?

I don't know. You mean the, like, the president? You think it's like the president? You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? Those law crusade. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time.

What color is... I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my mother's not. The monkey's not my circus. Yep. It's a good one. I like that snake. It is an actual Polish saying.

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But, you know, it's like the thing, too. Like, you know, the world can be like waves in the sea. So, like, naturally, you sometimes and kind of, if you're, rolling with the world, you can be a little off your setting, you can be like, should I be doing it? Should I not be? You start thinking about all these different things, but the fans have shown me on this project.

You know, we're nearly, we're close to half a billion streams on the project. You know, we're pushing 300, North 300 million, but they've showed me like... Yeah, like, so I got to take this show on a row. Like, I got to, Howie rolls almost gold as well, which is

amazing. Just the love has been insane. You know, you know, in this I don't know much about him. I just know he's a super legend of all time. And you're giving me Elvis Presley vibes, right? So there's a... What?

The problem. You want to talk superstars. Let me follow you. You want to talk superstars. Let's talk Elvis Presley. Okay. Right? And I could say even in Spanish.

Hector Laval, my favorite salsa singer of all time, nobody could touch him, right? But I saw this autobiography. What is it called? Your biography, when they do a movie, they did a movie about Elvis Presley. Elvis Presley jump off the plane. There's one million girls.

Like anything we ever thought Justin Bieber was or Elvis was it. Like on another level, doing movies, first guy with the branch. He was the guy. Like, I mean, there was a time where he found. Fell a little flat. I got to use the bath. Elvis stole mad shit for mad. Beeped J.

and I'm all the guy that go like kids. He stole your shit. So what I'm saying, what I'm saying is, how does this word? At one point, no, we don't usually, but we'll get, we'll talk. Okay, he goes. What happens to he don't want to hear that shit. I get it.

Okay. What I'm saying to you is that they had this thing, this movie on Elvis, where Elvis literally was paralyzing. If he showed up at JFK, there was one million girls. at JFK, the plane couldn't even move. Then it got to a point where people really ain't care about Elvis. So one day he's on his way to like a TV show

and when he's used to everybody chasing him and all that, when he shows up, there's no girls there. There's nobody there. And his manager starts hitting the car. Boom, boom, boom. Yo, Duck, Elvis, boom, boom, boom. Nah, they out there. They're chasing us.

Boom, that's the people. And they actually lied to him and suit them up to make him feel like he's still Elvis. Wow. And, you know, he came back. But, like, when you see this movie, a cantante with J-Lo and Mark Anthony, where Mark Anthony played Hector Lavo.

Hector Lavo is, down for pound, the greatest southeastern singer of all times. And there's a part of the movie where he's doing shows and there's 10 people in the stadium. But he's the greatest of all the time. So everybody go through a time

where they got to fight that adversity and push through. You know, Elvis eventually pushed through and, you know, became hot again. 100%. So that's, you know, that's where we got to check ourselves, you know, somewhere where, you know, shit just, you start questioning yourself. Should you go on or whatever? I just think a hit maker, someone who pushes the culture. Like, I never go against Nelly.

I never go against 50 cents. I never go against certain artists that I know could hit one out of the part. A star is a star. Star is a star. Yeah, Star is a Star. I'm not surprised when Nelly come with a country record to sell 10 million out of nowhere. I'm like fucking Nelly. I knew he can hit one out the park.

Well, I mean, I don't know what great, like true great, like legendary, iconic figure hasn't been questioned if they could do it or if they couldn't. Right? It's saying, you know, Russell Hill, if West would say it, they're great the more they hate. Right. The more the great, the more they hate. The greater you're great, the more they hate.

The greater you're great. Yeah. The more they hate. So, unfortunately, we live in a world where people, they love to take you all the way up. And then they also... They want to pull you down. Yeah. They want to see you on your knees.

Yeah. I don't let them. You know. I don't let them, Jada. So I think that's like, you know... She's talking our language. She's saying that unfortunately people like to bring you all the way up to pull you down. That's just the world we live.

So I was saying to him, I'm like, I don't know one great or legend or iconic figure that's going all the way to the highest place that hasn't been challenged at some point along the way or been told they can't do it again. Or hasn't been, someone hasn't tried to pull them down. Like, name one. I don't know. It doesn't exist. Yeah, but when you're great and when you're a star, you're going to always try like a star. You're going to always cut through. The biggest star, the biggest entertainer ever lived in the history.

history of mankind. They killed him, Jesus Christ. Come on now. And while he was walking to his death, they had people screaming against him on the side. On the frames. You ain't shit. You ain't this.

You ain't that. So whenever, because we're not going to sit here, I don't know about y'all, because he does a good job of it. Sometimes they get on my nerves when they start talking shit about me or comments or interviews or whatever. Yeah.

Sometimes I'm human. Although I don't let them see it, but sometimes the shit bother me. I'm like, yo, man, I just came back from feeding a thousand people in the hood. They telling me I ain't shit. That bothers us, right? Yeah. But I just think of Jesus Christ. And I say, yo, he had haters.

Perspective. You know, and you look at it. He even hated on Jesus. He even hated. He's the greatest of all. Jesus was killed by the polices. That's a pun line. Jesus was killed by polices.

You know, I'm a big fan of Game of Thrones. And I remember she was, she was terrible. The queen, Cersie, but they made her do that walk of shame out there. Right? The Moss could, shame, shame, shame. And they wanted to see that. They were like, you know, people been rich for so long,

they this, this, this, and this and that. Yeah. I want to ask you, because you got a crew. Lala, the Kardashians, the dance, very elite. How do y'all keep that friendship for so long? You know, I got to say, like, Lazy, I call La La Leasy. I've known her for, I don't know,

I don't know how many years this is now yet. We definitely, we're almost pushing the time since I first came out. You know, she's solid. She's special. And I think, you know what the best thing is for all my girls, right? You know, is when they're not like waves in the sea. Like, you know, you got real friends, like when you're going through something and they're calling you to check on you.

Or when you call them, they answer every time. I've been so blessed to have such a strong support system of girls and friends in my world that are also bosses. You know, I'm not going to lie. Like, I respect the hustle of all my friends. Like, you know, so when we talk in hustle language, it's not foreign to us. You know, it's all the same language. And I think that's important in your circle of friends that you have. I think it's important to have, you know, like-minded individuals or people that, you know, are thriving or striving, you know,

Because everybody starts from somewhere. They don't have to be in the best place of their lives. But they're striving, you know, to be their best selves. You know, when you talk, they uplift you. You know, they don't bring negativity. With the Kardashians, like, has Kim ever asked you for some dance moves? I believe so. Oh, Kim is actually funny.

Kim is actually funny when we start talking about dancing. You know, she's cute. She's actually like, hey, Kim, can you know, you do this little cute challenge thing that I'm doing it? And she'll do it in her best way. but um, does he like hip hop? Of course, Kip.

Of course. Now, y'all don't put me in no, no, no, let no begin that. I'm this ashton, do she like hip hop?

I don't know. I think Kim likes all music. I take that. You ready to go with it? If she don't like hip-up? I don't know. Come on. Y'all are silly.

Wait, what is happening today? First of all, hip hop let me say this shit I was going to say this shit hip hop has been stolen used and abused

by every single genre in the world you can be watching a movie and something comes up they have to play the hip hop record when I listen to country

they bit hip hop with their lyrics in the way they sing in the shit now when I listen to pop they bit hip hip hip everything, every aspect of entertainment in this world needs hip hop. There's just no way around it. Can you say hip hop has influenced the culture of music and entertainment so significantly that it's inspired more than any other genre?

No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I meant to say. That's not what I meant to say. What I'm trying to tell you is that if I pull up another genre, that's a political, where they say if I pull up pop We're going to find hip hop The little girl going to sing like a rap Whoever wrote her shit is hip hop

Well that's the power Country as much as they don't want to Give it up I listen to their music and I hear bars Yeah Where somebody from hip hop Wrote that shit And everything K-pop

They stole from hip-hop But is that a bad thing though? No Duh No I'm not mad at that But when you say stole. I influence.

But what I think is, my thing is, that's like me. You claim the genre. Yeah. The credit. You claim you want to talk about Chuck Berry and what's my man, Richard, little Richard,

all along. Like, I can hear. Yeah, all the niggas, the Elvis stole this shit. Man, people been stealing from hip-hop, is what I'm trying to tell you. And they're calling it their own genre. They're like, this is K-pop.

This is what. Whatever. You know, this is this, this is that. But I hear the hip hop. The dancers are hip hop. Everything is hip hop. But they got their own shit. But that shit comes from here is what I'm trying to. The origin is source. Source.

Yeah. I mean. Yeah. And everything has its origin. But again, it just lets you know like the power of the influence, right? Like that's just, that's music though. Like, you know, I think it's something to be said about how you get inspired. That's like my record like, oh, like my cadence is a little hip hop driven.

but intentionally that. Well, you've been hip hop since you was born. You know what I'm saying? But it's the core. Like when you say hip hop for me because I'm from Atlanta, like hip hop in New York, it's, to me it sounds different than when you say hip hop

because there's R&B for me, right? R&B is so significant like hip hop and where I'm from, you know, so both genres are like so present. Our hip hop is our hip hop. New York hip hop is his hip hop. West Coast hip hop is hip hop. You know what I'm saying?

So, but ultimately it's all pop culture. Mm-hmm. right? It's all pop culture, right? It's that influential, you know, when you think about, like, what you're saying, you know? Yeah, I'm just saying. They should put the money in the pot for the pioneers or something, you know what I'm saying? You're using the culture, you know what I'm saying? We got music to play.

Let's hear something. You do. Yeah, I'm going to play low and nice and sweet. My man, I got the leg right here. Let's go. Let's go. You and her. Show us the low challenge.

And then you got to do it. We can bake one up, though, because it's you. and I, we can just go low how we want to go. You got to take it easy. We can, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, we can lean back and go low. Joe, Joe, Joe, we can lean back and give us a low. And give us a little bit. You know what I'm saying, they're a little different.

If you do that, we are there. We pass down. We're going to moon. If you go, if you show us the low. I'm a street. When the track comes on, we're going to get up and try together. Okay. But I got to see it first

You guys You're New Yorkers are so aggressive You gotta show us And then we gotta try Guys You New Yorkers are so aggressive Yo, come on, don't Joe said

You got to stop You got to be back New Yorkers Yeah, show us So what's the low Show us the low We've been We've been booze with a hoodwink

Over here We can't agree to anything Till we see Oh Oh, crack Because he's right. Let's do a toast for your new song. Okay.

I'm coming birthday. And then this. Shout out to the Scorpio. Salute. Saloo. Shout out the life, man. Just living life being good people. Yes, sir.

Mm-hmm. You took a sip. You could get low, man. You know, he can get low. He don't take sips. Listen, one. If I drink that, it's a rap. One more sip, you low.

Let me get a no. Let me get one more. Linglow challenge It's going Love Let me tell you I'm like the scared crow I need a little oil

In my joints You know what I'm saying I can't get low All right I'm gonna play this record So this is So this is me and Diamond Platinum This is my song Lo

The video is out It's been amazing All the love Everybody's been showing It's been incredible And like I say my boy Diamonds from Tanzania So

I'm gonna get into this record right now Tanzania's the furthest place I've been on earth. That's a flight. I actually haven't been there yet. Oh, no, it's a flight. I've been there. Crank that shit. Put it up.

Get low, crack. Hey. Yo. You proud. I put it down right away. Yet he seems to make a boy, won't try me. To that waist, pretty face, get behind me. Behind me.

See, oh, a load of mirrors. When you put your bounce Mixed them on the brins go crazy I can't Why the way this song is fire right here Song is fire Next to Abby Oh tell me how that sound

How that's how That's how So you get good, get So now me go so chute chute Make a money wait Wait, wet, but but Oh he So can you let them

I'm gonna let you take No low Yeah I can't wait this see that line. Let's go. Can we wait to see that on the floor.

We're through the flying. Now we tried, though, Sisi. We tried. That was good. That was good. That's fine. That song is five. No, that song is crazy. Thank you so much.

So it's fine. That sounds like a hit to me. I don't know. And then, you know, with the Joe and Jada effect, it's going up even more. It's magnifies, whatever. I need those iPhone videos. I need those iPhone videos.

need them. No, no, we don't get that footage, man. Let it get up the footage and me going low. That's crazy. That's too good. Let me tell you something, man.

I got one more for you, by the way. That's cool. That'll be getting a double trick. So this next record. That's like a freak of nature. You went low to the point of where your neck almost hit the floor. I'm like, what the fuck?

Come on, man. My fat ass is like, low, low, low, low. They're like, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, my show. Don't do it. Stop. You did good. You did good.

Okay, so this next record right here is, this is me, Molly, and Oxlade. Again, Molly is from Ghana. And Oxlade is from Nigeria. So, again, I'm just in my bag with my people. So this is called Nice and Sweet. And we're going to sauce it up. November 14th is our big day. So I'm about to give it to y'all nice and sweet.

Let's go. And a little CeC, but they want to make your feel right panny. Pretty like a pretty little eye candy. When I come get on the dance lock, please. Move like she got the right tactics. Now they want to give it to me nice and sweet. Give it to me nice and sweet. Give it to me nice and sweet.

No, they want to give it to me nice and sweet. They say, can you want it? The way I reverse. Hands put the down work. Yes, sir. Pretty, itty, bitty pecking all of them curves. I want to give it to me nice and sweet. Want to give me that

Flip and sky Nice and sweet I like this your buddy They do me So she has no horses a door Give it to me Nice and sweet Yeah that's a vibe right there

Yay It's two vibes Yeah Nice vibes I like great vibes Thank you So Sierra That ain't that

That ain't this It's cracking kiss Oh the two sips Did it Y'all The two soup Yo I can't

This ain't that? That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. Make some noise for our guest, Sierra. Thank you for it. So good. Sierra. That album, C.

You can't do nothing whack. I just heard two smashes in the row. And just some artists, they just, they just that good. Got the it factor. When you got it, you got it. When you don't. I'm sorry. The new project.

Sam, I appreciate y'all so much. And I know who to call when I need somebody to light somebody up. one time I'm calling both of y'all. Now I'm calling both of y'all because we know they go handle it with ease and authority. So I appreciate y'all, though. This was really fun. Honestly, I was so excited to come in. And I know I said it earlier, but you guys are just amazing.

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