The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe and Jada - Eddie Hearn on Shakur Stevenson vs. Teofimo Lopez, Anthony Joshua's tragedy & Devin Haney's beef with Ryan Garcia

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by famed boxing promoter Eddie Hearn ahead of Matchroom Boxing's stacked Madison Square Garden card that will be headlined by the Shakur Stevenson vs. Teofimo Lopez fight this Saturday night. They break down the fight and, with an added Joe and Jada Profit Boost from Hard Rock Bet, give their best bets for the title bout. In addition to the MSG card, Hearn opens up about Anthony Joshua dealing with personal tragedy, Tyson Fury making an apparent comeback to the ring, his opinions on Don King and Oscar De La Hoya as promoters, and the boxing world's intense reactions to the Devin Haney-Ryan Garcia fight and their following feud. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX! 4:00 - UK origins & following in his father's footsteps 9:30 - Greatest UK boxer of all time? 13:00 - Devin Haney-Ryan Garcia fallout 19:00 - Turki Alalshikh 33:00 - Tyson Fury returning? 39:30 - Shakur Stevenson vs. Teofimo Lopez 1:00:30 - Joe & Big Pun started the rapper-boxer walkout 1:05:30 - Anthony Joshua's tragedy 1:11:00 - Top 5 boxers of all time [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today, we're talking boxing. You know what I mean? When you think of boxing, this guy right here is putting on the biggest fights. He got the whole wave of boxing right now. Ladies and gentlemen, let's make some noise for our partner, our guest, Eddie Hearn. Thank you. Well, Eddie, welcome.

I've been around you 20, 30 times. Yeah. We never got to speak. No, really. I'm on my business. And when two friends or two people do business, and I personally don't. understand the business, I just support the person in mind my business, just love them

and whatever the case may be. When I see you at the Belonga fights, you know, you're responsible for taking him to where he got. I just be like, I respect him as a former fighter. You know, we like we like the rap, rapper, superstar veterans that now we come on here and we talk like Shaquille O'Neal and Charles. So that's how we feel we are. And so you're pretty much the same. You know, boxes trust you because you've been in boxing for so long and they think you'll look out for them.

But we finally get to talk, right? The mean streets of the UK. Use a box at first. Yeah, a little bit. I mean, you said something earlier when you were talking off camera about your kids. You said about your daughter. She's a Nepo, babe. Yeah.

Which is really, I guess I am as well. So my dad came from, you know, I guess you guys would call a project. We call it a council estate. His dad was a bus driver. You know, he came from no money. But he was like a real, again, what you guys might say, hustler in a sense of from a young kid, he just wanted to make money. His mom, my nan, my grandmother, she cleaned the houses of people with money.

And he hated it. He was like, I just, I want money. one of them, you know. And he became a chartered accountant. He was one of the youngest ever to qualify to do so at like 19 because he thought being an accountant would make him money. He found his way through Snooker, which you won't know about. And then he found his way into boxing. And he was one of, he's a Hall of Fame promoter, my dad. So he's was a Hall of Fame promoter. Correct. So big, you know, I mean, he was one of the greatest boxing promoters from the UK and never really came over to America.

but, you know, represented Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, Nigel Ben, Chris Eubank, Nazim Hamid, all of the top fighters of that generation. I fucking love Narcine. So does everybody. Everybody does. I fucking loved him, man. I never missed a fight. He was box office.

Remember he used to come in the flying carpet and shit? He was doing that. Every entrance was unbelievable. Which he the biggest, like, at that time? Yeah, he had so much ability, but, you know, it's kind of like a lesson for boxing in What happened with him? And you guys will see it in your industry all the time. You start to see they lose their head a little bit.

And before you... Success or a little bit, but just maybe ill-advised or just, you know, sometimes you want to kind of push back from the norm of the industry, right? So you want to do it on your own. So next thing, he had like six or seven brothers. Next thing, every brother has got a job within the team. And next thing, he's business manager. is this guy, one of the brothers,

who, I don't know what he used to do, ran a... It's a car selling. Yeah, whatever, right? And you're sitting in a room like, so in my opinion, NAS never actually achieved what he could have achieved

and he was an unbelievable partner. Yeah, I have the right team. Yeah, because when he went and fought Marco Antonio Barrera at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, that was like the big, big signature fire. I think I was out there. Barrera was in the mountains training.

up in Big Bear and Naz was in La Quinta or wherever he was and in the you know by the tennis courts with all his brothers all his family

sitting there laughing up at the mountains going to come up there you know and then fight night comes and you know that that was that was NAS

but my dad promoted all of those guys promoted the Barera fire he started promoting boxing when I was about eight years old so from eight I was at every show

and I was just like the little kid who just got everywhere You know, I'd carry the belts out for all the fighters. They're all my heroes. I'd sit in the gym. I'd watch the sparring. You know, that kind of stuff.

And I'd see the arguments that my dad was having with Don King, Bob Aram. They were his competitors, right? I was in the room. I was listening. I was hiding. I was watching. I would see fighters, you know, go to hospital. I would see them break down in tears through victory.

I'd see everything in boxing. When I looked at like 12 or 13, I thought, you know, I could be a fighter. And, you know, I was started at a couple of amateur fires, nothing major. It was when I got to about 15, I said, my dad always said to me, because he was petrified of me being the spoiled rich kid. He always said to me, you're my project. I said, thanks.

He said, I'm going to build you the way that I would want to build my son in this world. And everything for me was about score and winning. Like, that's how I grew up. Win, win, win. Whatever it takes, win. You work, your bollocks off every day, 24-7, you're given nothing without hard work. This is his mentality.

He said to me, and what I'm going to do is when you get to 18, I'm going to take me down the gym, and I'm going to spot you, and I'm going to beat you bad, and I'm going to just show you what the difference is from where I come from and where you come from. But it'll be a great education for me. But unfortunately for him,

I was like six foot two at. 16. So he bought it forward by two years. And we went into the gym and we had like eight ounces on in front of all the fighters. He was trying to take my head off. And I ended up stopping him in like the third round with body shots because he was just getting old. And he was so proud. Do you know what I mean? He was like, geez. And it was in the plate. Like he couldn't stop telling the media. My son, I took him down and was sparring. And it was like, that's how I was raised. So I was raised in boxing. And I never wanted to be a boxing way. I probably wanted to be a fighter more than anything. But what I didn't know at the time was

I was receiving all the education I needed from the industry to probably go on and do what I'm doing now because sometimes when I got into boxing promotion which was about 16 years ago people were like, what's this guy now that boxing? I'm like, mate. I've seen everything. 14 years in my life I've been around boxing now and I love it more than anything.

My greatest passion. I see it. Greatest UK boxer of all time. Probably Joe Kousaggy. I mean, all time strong, but this is a guy that was undefeated, like come out to America, beat Jeff Lacey, beat all these guys, probably not got the props that he deserved because he was from Wales, he was a little bit low-key, you know.

Lennox Lewis, another great heavy one time. Lennox hit me one time. Did it, yeah? From the club mansion or some shit I was playing with him, and he hit me, boom, playing the round. I was like, fuck, this shit hurts. Big strong words. Yeah, a little body shot for no reason.

Maybe Joe think he's tough. Boom. I say, oh, shit, then that. Oh, what's the guy? I think they made a movie about him. I used to watch all his fights from the UK. Little Irish guy. He would get knocked down and get back up.

Oh, you talk about Mickey Ward? Mickey fucking Ward. I mean, American Irish out of Boston, but he was the guy who had the wars with Gatti. Oh, yeah, so he wasn't from the UK. No, he was from Boston, but he's Irish. Oh, he was Irish, yo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Fucking Mickey Ward, they would come over here. It's a great film. Let me tell you some. Ireland, they fucking come. For them fucking fights, you go on Madison Square Garden, they fight, you forget you, there's Puerto Ricans and blacks in New York.

The fucking Irish come? You know what? The best atmosphere I think I've ever witnessed was Madison Square Garden, Katie Taylor against Amanda Serona. That was what I'm referring to. That's what I'm referring to. One.

The one I promoted that fight, right? And it was unbelievable. Half Irish, half Puerto Rico. I forgot I was in New York. No, not even half, half. Like Irish had us. It was 80, 20. I was trying to be nice.

You're trying to be generous. Puerto Ricans ain't buy them tickets like that because the fucker. We walked up in there. I thought I was going to hear the bongoes. That's shit with, oh, and they celebrate different overseas. They got some shit, oh, you go to them soccer. They got the hooligans and shit.

The motherfuckers start, they scream different. Yeah, but Mickey Ward, man, they was somebody I really, and Gotti, you know. You know, I don't gamble much, but one guy I definitely, I don't gamble much so much that I know who I gambled on. Atorogadi, I lost about two, three times. He just would always get me like, he was like a Robin Hood or a Cinderella. He would fall down, get back up.

I always love those style of boxes. I've always loved get up, knock them out. They knocked you out that Diego Corrales. Yeah, yeah, but that's what you want to watch as a fire fan, isn't it? I mean, you know, it's not always the greatest. The problem is sometimes I'm guilty of it. You want to fight it to be entertained, right? Now, really, if you really look trying to do it the right way,

you don't really want to be an entertaining partner. You want to be a smart. You want to get hit? Yeah. That's boring. Yeah. Watch. Really.

So me, as a promoter, I'm a little bit conflicted because I'm like, I want you to go out there and have a war. That's what I want you to do. But also know, I've seen you and your guy threatened that all you. I was over there in Saudi. And you're like, man, this guy's boring. You don't want to fight. Yeah, definitely.

Who you were talking about Devin Hain? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, I'm being honest. And people say, you never said that when you represented him. I said, well, one, I'm not going to say that when I represent him straight up. But number two, he never fought so much defensively like that and holding and stuff like that. And I'm sitting there. He got scared.

He got scared. I love, listen, what he's achieved in the sport is phenomenal, Devin. And he's a great fight. But I'm just saying, as a fan sitting there watching that, I don't think it was entertaining. And I can say that if I don't represent him. He was. I mean, whatever since he got. Yeah.

He felt that. But I feel bad for him about the Garcia fight because he, Garcia came in free and a bit pound over. Garcia fell. Is that really like in the streets you fight fat guys, cock diesel guys, all type of shit. Like,

nobody says, yo, what's your weight class? You had a bar, you argue, you fight. It's definitely. Like,

is the three pounds like really like? Yeah, but Joe, it's like, that's the rules, mate. Oh, no,

I know the rules, but in real life. Yeah, but we're not on the streets. This is a, fight where you're what you're doing is you're boiling yourself down to make that weight

which is what Devin did. The other kid didn't really. And also on fight night the kid's weighing a lot more. Forget that. He also failed a drug test on the night. Right? And by the way Devin got battered and showed amazing bravery in that fight. Anyway,

he came out the other side and everyone's like he's going, that's not fair. The guy coming over weight and fired a drug set. Everyone He's like Devin Haney's the villain. What he actually, he shouldn't have come out of life. What he did is, you're in a fight with Mano-a-Mano, and I think him choosing the sue and take the belt. You know, once you start playing these type of those games.

But let's break that down, yeah. What he did was actually unique in that respect by suing. Yeah, I think he sued Ryan for battery or something like that, yeah. But the fact is contractually anyway, forget like what you say, you know, on the streets, he's this side, he's that size. The guy had performance enhance some drugs in his system. Now, we don't know. That's no good.

Now, we don't know if that was intentional or not. But if it was intentional, if it was intentional, you're going into a fight with another man. It's incredibly dangerous. Cheating to get a physical edge. Now, that... I don't even like that in baseball players. I don't like that in that athlete.

Yeah, but, listen, baseball is baseball. This is a fight. Even enhancing drugs, I don't like it. No, but Joe, what you talk about... The ball. This is... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't like it.

I don't like it in no sense. It should be, but what I'm saying is I think Devonport, do you know what? I went in there, I got beat up, right? I lost my reputation, my undefeated record, probably a little bit of my physical character, and we've seen that maybe moving forward. You know, I know what he was trying to do,

but it went against him because everyone went, oh, you're suing for getting beat. It's like, not really. I'm suing because of the situations around it. So I actually get what he was doing, but I also understand. But I don't feel you can, go, oh, you can't do that.

It's the fight going to him. Because the circumstances weren't, weren't fair. Do you know what I'm saying? They weren't. But, you know. But what you want to do? Same thing with hip-up. I said something the other day they went so viral and I didn't even think.

It was just my opinion where we have one of this generation's greatest rappers. Jay Cole got called out for a battle. And he'd been rapping about he's the number one, the rapper in the world. And then he didn't come out to fight. So it's almost like one of them famous fights where you got the ring and the guy just walks. What was that famous fight

where the fight was going to start? The hell of the fight. You guys just walked out of the ring. The referee. No, in this corner, this is a championship fight. Homeboy said, you walked out. So tell me, educate me about this Joe Cole.

Jay Cole. No, we don't want to because it's one of Jadakus's best friend. No, no, no. But in that situation. Why has he chosen? You got to come out. I've been challenged by guys that were whipped my ass

in hip hop and fat Joe came out. I gave a thing. You talk about Ireland, the Irish. Everlast got challenged by Eminem. Everlast fucking came out. Knew he was going to get his boots smoke. But when you come out, right,

it's a business as well, right? Yeah. So. Oh, yeah, it's not. It's not. I don't think it's great for business. Educate me on the business. I don't think it's good for business.

I don't think... What, for him to do that? Yeah. He did a much smarter move. It didn't lose anything. No, but what we're saying is... We get that. He's saying in hip-hop, I don't believe that the rap battle or the beef

helps you... If you win, it super helps you. But if you lose... But isn't this a difference between your reputation, not necessarily on the street, but or the bigger picture? You're doing it. You said every time I got challenged, I came out. Yeah.

Is that because it's in the road. Rather than whatever. I came out when my mother would call me and be like, son, don't come out. I came out when my mother was calling, talking about, don't come out. The people who did know my mother was like, he's going against a guy who sold 30 million records. Is he crazy? This guy finishes people's careers. And I came outside.

to me, you always got to come out. Like I said, Evelace, M&M. Everlast got challenged. That's jump around. Jump around, jump up and get down. And he battled them and them. And we got to, I ain't got to tell you how that went. He just said it's the Irish.

He's Irish. He came out. You know, let's talk to Turkey. I like this guy. Yeah. Right? and did he just come boxing, number one boxing fan that's like a super trillionaire?

And how did he get into the fight game and become the number one buyer, I guess? What do you call those guys who really pay the money? He's like an investor. He's a bar, but it's more of a business now for them. I mean, look, he was a guy that was running sort of tourism and entertainment or mainly entertainment in Saudi Arabia.

Right? And you look at what they've bought to the kingdom over the years. particularly recently, Formula One, WWE, you know, yeah, tennis, every football. And we were doing some boxing in Saudi, but then all of a sudden they did fury against and gone. And I had a bit of a nightmare, actually, because the guys that I was working with in Saudi, I did it on lock in Saudi, just me. You what?

I did it lock down in Saudi Saudi. You had the whole Saudi lag down. I put the first big fight on there, right? I was like, man. And all of a sudden, my guys. They're gone. Turkey comes in. Next thing, he puts on Fury against Ingonon.

Now I made the big mistake of opening my mouth. This is shit. What is this? Fury is a world heavyweight champion. He's fighting a guy that's never had a fight before. What a joke. blah, blah, blah. And this is all being done by Turkey.

So I'll become enemy number one. Right? Go on. Take that lately. Next thing, the fight happens. I'm a good fight actually and gone to, I fought won the fight. It was a very slow to fight.

So the fight finishes and then people are saying to me, you know this guy, Turkey, he's now running in Bokton and he's out of the guy. I'm like, oh, fuck now. And they're going to go, he's going to like you. I said, why? I said, because you're slagging off the event.

I said, listen, I'm just telling you what I thought at the event. He went, anyway, he comes to London and I'm like, I'm going to slide in his dance. Yeah. So he's in London. I'm like, Turkey.

I understand you're, you know, I've done a lot of boxing in Saudi Arabia. Let me know when's good. I'll meet you while you're in London. Seen. No reply. I'm like, shit. So I fall. Anyway, the next day I fall, we'll just go for one more.

Yeah. Let me know when suits. seen nothing. I'm like, oh, God. Then, you know, all of a sudden, they start to talk about AJ, our guy, fighting, you know, fury and all this got a time. Anyway, then I get a phone call for one of his guys.

This is like, this is on his next trip to London. His excellency would like to meet you in the hotel. I'm like, oh, no, let me just check my diary. I'd already started the engine. Anyway, go up to London, sit downstairs in the hotel. So they caught Turkey, his excellency. He's part of the royal family? Not the royal family.

but that's the that's the that's the yeah all right so go into the hotel room

lobby you'll be called up soon I go up there it's like eight people in the room big sofa like this

actually about 10 times we're getting this sit down and he's like I'm sitting where you're sitting man

he goes we had a lot to say for yourself you know when I did that fight and I said I can't be honest

with him I'm just pretty honest Like, I'm going to speak my mind and I thought it was shit. And then it happened and I thought it was pretty good. To be honest with you. So, you know, I don't like a lot of the things you said. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

I said, okay. And then he said to me, and I've told this story before and he don't mind me saying. The guy is funny. That's fun. One of the funny feet we'd ever meet. And he says to me, let me tell you something. We said, we are a fast-moving train. do you want to be on the train

or do you want to be standing on the platform waving as the train goes by? Invisible train of success. One of my best stories, but get ahead. And I looked him straight in the eye and I went, choo-choo. And it's actually, it's a true story. True story.

And he just started laughing. And from there, we've been very close. You know, we've done a lot of business together across a lot of sports. Matrim's not just boxing. It's a lot of sport. We brought a lot of sports Saudi Arabia. He doesn't have any preferences, like,

he'll use me and our company and my fighters, but if something else suits him, he'll do that instead. His word is good, and that's everything. His word is everything. You can tell. And, you know,

what he's done in boxing is pretty amazing. You know, they've spent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions, but they can do that. Does he have, like, endless money? Would you say? You know, obviously,

there's his person. personal wealth, but it's the wealth country and the government to help bring, you know, major sporting events and, and exposure to the kingdom. So, you know, there's that part. But what he does have is a big passion for boxing, genuinely. And what you said earlier, like, you know, is this just some very rich fight fan? I mean, this is a fight fan that has access to, you know, consider all budget, but a fight fan that has a quite a unique vision, you know, like he's next level thinker. It's not just to go like, yeah, yeah, let's do that and spend like he's, you know, the Ring magazine, obviously TKO now, like all this kind of stuff.

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but the most money I ever get paid for was a show in Africa. And he, too, was the leader of tourism. Yeah. And I go over there, and at one point he tells me, I want you to come, you know, rap is different. We, you know, we ain't go to college for this shit. So he's telling me, y'all, I want you to go do an interview. I said, I ain't doing shit.

So the man says, Just the kind of, that's a valid we like. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, yeah, I ain't doing shit. I'm over here ready this to stay. He said, yo, I got $50,000. Cash for you to come.

I called the whole crew. Yo, maybe at the lobby. You got to do this ill interview, right? So he takes me to the basement parking lot. This is a true story. And he walks into like a Lincoln town car, a old school car. And he opens to Trump

and the whole thing is filled with money. Palates of hundred, palates of hundred dollars bills. The man took out $50,000 and it looked like a toothpick. That's how much cash he had in that trunk. At this point, I felt like killing them. I didn't know how I get out the country with all this money.

Like, I'm really, really, anybody could do it? Like, I'm telling you for this one second. I said, could I kill this dude and just break out? Just no way I could have done it. But it felt to me at that moment, like they were making money. Like they were printing the money. When he gave me $50,000, it felt like a toothpick.

And it was so much money. I was like, damn, this shit is unreal. Like, you know, and I feel like Turkey is similar in Saudi. Like, he got that ultimate bag. You know, they call me the Tyson Fury, of hip hop. Yeah? Yeah, because looks are deceiving. I don't have a muscle, but I knock you out.

You know, and Tyson Fury, that boy flabby and he'll knock you out. He'll knock you out. I love Tyson Fury. I remember the day he won that fight and then he got on the bike the next day. It said, da-da-da-da-da. No, no, who that was Connor McGregor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? The next day, da-da-da-da. It's the motherfucker stupid double-g.

But Taste of Fury, I'm a huge fan. Is he coming back to boxing? Yeah, he's talking about it. I mean, he retires every other week, you know what I mean? And he's done with boxing, and now he's training in Thailand. He's like the most motivated he's ever been. You know, I think a lot of these guys boxing saved them at the start. You know, I know I know AJ is a good example of that, you know,

and think when you take it away from them, it just leaves such a massive hole. So now I can see it like. He's training now for a fight. He looks happier than he looked for any day that he was retired. Do you know what I mean? He's got the fight. It's like, this is what I love to do. I love them, you know?

The craziest thing is, I believe that's in all sports. You know, these guys, especially dangerous sports, like football, boxing. These guys are like gladiators. And when they walk out that tunnel in football and everybody screaming 80,000 people, then when they retire, the same for anything. Isn't that same for you guys as well? Like, I mean, we never retire. We almost kill Smokey Robinson

that. He's still performing live. I'm talking about when you do. Like, you know. I'm never with. Oh, there you go. Because we got a voice. It's the buzz. It's the love for what you do. Why do you want to keep going? Well, I love it. Plus, we have

huge bills. So, you know, our family feels like, you know, like his little house on the, they won't stop. and boy, I've been working at this. Is there any hobby or any type of shit that you could work on? Fadjo has tried to be a fake accountant slash, let's minimize. You know, there's a word for this called minimal.

I tried everything. They're looking at new bigger houses and this, this. I'm finally somewhere where I feel like I can die and I'm comfortable, like, because I'm a dreamer. If I got a million dollars, I bought a $10 million house. Like, I'm a guy and I'll pay that $50,000 a month. That's been my life. You know, I believe, you know, I invest and I don't care. I'll find the money.

I'm going to make it. Now I finally got a sense of peace, and they don't want peace. They just keep showing me bigger houses and bigger yards and bigger. And I'm like, yo, we can sleep. Like, we finally at the place where these bills don't. hurt us. We good. Chill. They don't want peace. They say, yo, you need

bigger so that you could just go out there and keep going. They want to run this shit to the wheels fall off. Right? And with boxes, unfortunately, we've seen too many greats, greatest of all times and all that.

Keep coming back because they mismanage their money. And like, I love them. I don't just love them. I worship him, but I do not want to see Mike Tyson in the ring again. But he's crazy. How can you have been in the fights that have been in? And, I mean, I think financially is probably in a much better place now than he was 10, 15 years ago.

Yeah. But how on earth? Even 10, 15 years ago, Mike Tyson at the mansion, the new car. Even bad. I went to his house when he was bad and his shit was a $10 million house, brand new cars. Like, when they say he was broke, he was broke in a 10, 20,000. million dollar weight. That wasn't like he wasn't back in the jacks. But how can you earn that much money? Roy Jones is a great example. But how can you earn that

much money and be mistreated, really, or be that ill-advised or that that kind of people around you that would enable you to be in that position? It was crazy. But it is now a much better educated on the finances of sport and much better supported from a team perspective. Do you know what I mean? But the infrastructure back then, you know, when this Canello guy looks like that. like, Oh, Canello's, he got it.

Oh, Figuano. Canello's like that guy you turned up to and had the money in the boot. I mean, he's, he's raided the bank

at the sport. But he's smart, right? And he's, he's taking his time. He's under super sport. He's also hit the sport when there's a lot

of bidders and buyers, right? So Canello can get his money from him, from him, from him, from him. guy running up the mountain talking about his moms used to feed him

rocks for dinner hussing him like oh shit Eddie got a fucking problem this guy's carrying in fucking 18 wheel of tires up a mountain the air here is different he eats rocks for dinner I'm like yo they got

a fucking you know me I'm a fighter right well years ago I was a fighter I was just telling a story all right we don't need to elaborate but I used to love to fight. So I walked out my house every day to fight. Whether I was winning, losing, I would come out and fight.

And the worst fight is when you hit a guy with the kitchen sink, and he looks at you like, oh, I've been waiting for this. That's when you're like, what the fuck? And the project, the Connect Zone, whatever we caught, they come out 500. If you get your ass whipping the projects, that's going viral in the hood. Like, you know, yo, Fat Joe got his ass with by such.

Like, ooh, that's a bad day for you. When you punch the guy with the kitchen sink. And I try to tell boxes that all the time. I said, listen, you can have the power. But when you hit somebody with all you got, and that motherfucker looked at you like, hello, you got a real battle going on that night with you. So you saw you was a little kid you studied boxing.

I don't know if you remember it because you definitely got to be a bigger historian to me. But there was a fight that Floyd Mayweather was losing to love about the sixth round. He switched up the whole style. He won the fight.

He beat the shit out of the guy. And then when they interviewed him, he said, I don't know, I'm saying the wrong name, but he said one of them legends, like he was like, Jack Dempsey in 1949. I went back to the videotape

that my father played, mean, when he was bouncing the dick. Is it also in boxing is more like physical strength or IQ make the best fighters? I mean, IQ that you got got like this weekend, for example, Shakur Stevenson, probably one of the best IQs. The other one is Terrence Crawford, right? These guys, they just see it. You know? So during the fight, they know exactly what you're going to do.

They know exactly what to do. They sit on the ropes, you know, the pulse rate's not moving. They're calm. They're slipping shots. There's just different styles, ultimately. The style to watch is the guy that's going in there and having the war. You know, for the purists, which I'm probably a purist as a pipe man, I watch those guys like Crawford and Shakur and Floyd were probably the greatest of the generation.

So calm. Do I mean? The IQ's on another level. But you can go in there and it doesn't matter what you bring. what style you bring, how you switch it up during a fight, he will be out of control the situation in the moment. And that's when, like I said, Shakur is probably that new guy who's capable of doing that.

And Teofimo. You think he got Teofimo? I think Teofimo's more battle tested. Yeah, I just feel like if I'm Teofimo, I'm sticking it on. What does that mean for regular people? I'm pressing it. You on them.

Yeah, because they're both great athletes. both got great IQ. They're both quite reactive and feints and twitching and, like, you know, great movement. But beating Shakur at that game is a very difficult game to play. And we'll probably lead to not the most entertaining problem. If I'm Tia Fimo, don't get me wrong, if you're aggressive against Shakur, that's also a problem. That's what you get hurt. It's a count of you.

He wants to, you know. But if you're fast and you're powerful, I don't know even if it's possible to beat Shikour. But I think if I'm Tiafimo in this thing. fight and I'm the bigger guy. You're going to dirty it up. You're going to dirty it up. Yeah, I'm trying to make it a fight rather than trying to just outboxing. You ain't going to outbox, you could.

He's a genius. The fight. This guy right here, he's a slick one. He wants front row seats to every event. And if he don't know how to tell you live on TV. He doesn't get to say this in his podcast, does he either? Bingo! You know what I'm right?

He's 66. he's a little bit under the weather he's shot. Yeah, yeah, no, he ain't shot. He ain't shot. You got any questions for the loggia that he earned? All I've seen him doing is this when you're talking. He's like,

Eddie, the man's on the clock. If he bunched in, he's good, babe, whether he says subboy you don't. The man's sitting there happening. You guys have got to make your predictions and call for the weekend, right? Madison Square Garden, T.O. and Shooka. He's great at Ethan.

We know on the playoffs of the football. This is boxing. But after listening to you now, I think I got to switch it up over it. Because if Shakur is able to beat Shakur, he will win. That's a fight to be boring. Not necessarily boring. Not boring. You know, when you see two guys scared, they hit each other and they think it over.

He's just a. What you said, first of all, I'm going to use that for all my media this week. If Shakur is allowed to be Shakur, he can't lose. So you've got to make him not be Shakur. I won't credit you for any of that, but thank you. No, don't. They've been taking my lines for years, so we're. But you're right.

So you've got to make him not be Shapirook. So what's your prediction? But now, I mean, I don't know if you got any affinity. Brooklyn against Newark. No, I almost beat up to your female. most father. Really? Most people

have tried to do that in boxing or something. He's a character. True story. I had to tell you, your pop, I'll fuck you up.

I was like, your pops, I'll fuck you up. You got some flags too, Eddie. That's a time to throw it. Just throw it. Follow on the play.

You got it. Oh. His father just came at me, screaming at me one day talking about Agabalanga ain't the only Latino

and, you know, you're the biggest Latino and you don't co-sign my son and this and that day. He was just talking crazy. And I was like, really crazy. I was like, your pop, we'll fuck you up in here. Like, I don't know if you know. Like, don't play with me.

And then, you know, he hit us back the next day and was like, yo, I'm sorry, you must have been high. Some shit. Like, you know what I mean? Because, you know what I'm? Father's a real passionate about this. But that's, he's, I actually. You heard this a million times.

Yeah, a million. You almost beat up pops yourself. Yeah, because I had to fight. We did Teafema against George Cambosas when Cambosas beat him at the garden, and they blamed me. I didn't even have even fire. I won a perspid. And the dad's like, you motherfucker. I'm like, what you just got to do with me?

And he's like, he's a very emotional guy. I actually like his dad. I think he's got a good heart, but he's a little bit crazy. He's going to be a major factor in this fight. He can't afford to lose his mind in this fight at dad and start being emotional. Do you know what I mean? They've got to be on it, especially against your cook. What's the old school shit in the Bronx now?

Where Olivia's, pieces and people's, herpes triangle, keep his father out of there. Uptown, you know, the old school, I guess father, I'm telling you, the man was screaming on me like out of contrasse or pops. The story, you know, that he told us, I saw him tell a story to someone recently. He said that he put it on you. Teofimo?

Yeah, no, Tiafimo's dad said, yeah, a fact Joe come at me, and I said to him, fuck you. And then apparently you just turned. you back and walked off. I didn't think that was true. I'm the most respectable guy you ever seen in your life, especially for somebody's father. This man...

This is what we do. Y'all Eddie, this man came at me like, yo, fuck that, Belonga, ain't the only Latino. My son is this or this or that. Unfortunate enough, because the kid is nice, he got knocked out two days later, right? Where he was at in Atlanta,

he touched the canvas. Teofimo touched the. canvas two days later. That was Cambos. Right after he threatened me. The mother, he threatened me. His father. Two days later, he touched the canvas for the first time.

I said, what the fuck? They called me, we was in Canada or something. They was like, yo, home boy touched the canvas. I said, you know, his father, he was talking that shit. I was with fucking elder barge when he was cursing me out. El the fucking barge. That motherfucker,

and Clark at rest of peace with us. Everybody's going to be tuned into the fight this Saturday, and Hard Rock Bet is doing a special Joe and Jay, the profit boosts on the Chacore and Tio Fimo fight. So, you know what I mean? Be considerate when you think of who you're going to take this Saturday. Who's the winner this fight, Kess? Because you always...

Is this Saturday? This Saturday. Square down. Bob on the Zon. You know, Fimo. Oh. I thought you were going to Teh Fema.

No, I'm just giving it. He's on the wrong. You know what I mean? After talking to you, I got to go with Shikour, man. I mean, I got to go with Shikor, just because you told me how much of a genius for boxing he is

and if he's able to be him, it's going to be a tough night for Tia. I'm going to Shikor. Brooklyn. You got to be... You got to be... You were about to have a fight with his five. Listen, I don't want no beef with Tio Fimo.

You want to know why I'm going for Tio Fimo, but never bet where I go because I never win. So I'm telling you right now, anybody I yell out, I won once, who I won? Territus, gone from Renal. I bought a bet. They don't take my bets. How about that?

How about that? They won't even take my bets. I call all the bookies. They like, yo, Joe, your money's not good. I swear to God they don't want me to bet They might win And you go start

Fucking losing all your money Like yo no They won't let me back I lost Balanga against Canello Like I really believed it Like I really bet like 20,000 On No I'm not lying

Like I really bet it And lost it One fight I lost on I'm sitting here with Chris Gotti In Vegas And one of my greatest My favorite fighters

Chris Gadi And what's the guy he used to win all the fucking? He was banned from Vegas because he was the best gambler. Phil Lived. And these motherfuckers don't stop. Yo, let's bet, let's bet, let's bet. I said, I don't bet, let's bet, let's bet. I don't bet, let's bet, let's bet.

And one of my favorite fighters of all time is rest and peace, Diego Corrales. Yeah, right, boy. And I used to love how he get knocked down and get up and this, this and then. And I said, all right, $20,000. They called and said, $20,000, Diego, boom, through the ropes. The guy knocks him.

Like, I mean, safe. Like, out the ring, like, you never seen in your life the way he fell out that ring. I was at that fight. I lost in a split second. Can I take it back? They came in my room about 20 times that day. I could not leave Vegas without giving them a $20,000. They did not trust me.

And so, Delaware, what the shit he does now, what do you? You know, we got a lot of rappers trying to be relevant doing the most amazing clown shit we ever seen in our life. What do you think about Delaware with all the shit he's doing? I mean, it's an interesting technique. You know, I've got to say, like, in terms of active promoters, he's out there. I mean, he's promoted.

But the clapback Thursdays and all this, guys, it ruffles feathers that can sometimes fragment relationships and, you know, sometimes, someone, I'm not going to work with him or whatever. But, you know, legendary fire. And, I mean, obviously the big, the big, the big come with your boy, Edgar. Yeah.

You know, for the last fight. Edgar wins that fight. He's the man. Yeah. He'll wins that fight. He's the man. But the field up. Shut down, Delaware to the point of where, that's a good point where somebody got to choose to be the villain, somebody got to choose to be the hero.

No, it could ruffle the feathers of the industry, but people are talking about it. And conversation is key. you know, in the world where at least people are out there talking about it. People are liking it, people are hating it, people are loving it, you know, but it's better than doing nothing. I mean, you've got a little... Does he have a bad case of like he can't fight no more because he's older and he's a little upset?

Delaware, because it looks like if he could get in the ring, if you started his senior citizenship, he's fighting. You know, one thing you could never take away from him was. He was one of the greatest fighters of all time. and, you know, for everybody. So probably sometimes he's looking at some of these guys now thinking, I would have boss his ass? You know what I mean?

So what's done is done. But obviously, he's big fallout with Canelo. Now, those guys were together for years. And then, boom, Canello sued him. And, you know, it all got a bit ugly and nasty. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. We got that in hip-hop. Yeah, cool. Well, with me, I stopped discovering artists and investing. So similar to your father, I grew up in the Connect, what you call that, The projects are there that connect. How you say?

Counselor estate. The council of estate. Here's the project. And I made a name for myself, but I grew up dirt poor. Like you could go through my family tree, maybe 100 years. None of us never had money. And so I take pride in if I create this opportunity for someone who is talented, but I'm going to put you in the right rooms.

I'm going to get you the right people to collaborate. I'm going to promote you. And once I do that, when you start becoming a millionaire and making big money, then you start saying, fuck fat Joe, he never did nothing for me. Right?

That put a bad taste in my mouth. And the thing they do, pause, and the thing they do in hip hop is you could rest assured that they're breaking out, the second they can. The second they see that light in the tunnel and they say,

I can do my own thing, I don't need this guy, they're gone. And so there's really no real loyalty in hip-hop when it talks about spending money on the artists and making the artists. And, you know,

I see it happens to you too. I mean, it must break your heart. It does, but you become accustomed to it because it's the game. And it's never going to change. Some people are loyal. Some people will respect. what you've done for them

and others won. It happens in boxing all the time. So there's no point losing. My dad says to me sometimes, that sort of thing might happen. And I'll do an interview and I'll go, listen, unfortunately,

I think, well, we did a lot for him. And maybe it wasn't recognized, but good luck. Good luck in his career. My dad goes to me. How do you fucking cry?

You know, my dad retired from boxing to get out of the aggravation of boxing because he was just, he got sick, like he just thought, fuck all these feet. Like,

you know what I mean? broke my heart, I stopped signing people. I could have signed people like Pit Bull, Rick Ross, the biggest artist in the world, but I was already so turned off. Yo, why are you giving that fake? I'm telling you the truth. Why are you giving that place?

You know, I discovered DJ Callan. I discovered Big Pond. I discovered all these guys. So I had the opportunity to sign these other guys, and I passed on it. And right now, Rick Ross has his own yacht, his own, he's the richest motherfuck in the game. If I'd have got 1%, I'd have been good.

But I was so turned off by the industry that I was like, I'm tired of doing this. I'm tired of... But it probably gives you a bad reflection and understanding of life because you think that's the norm. So like in boxing, you have to understand. It ain't normal.

And it actually can not make you a bad person, but make you a little bit unhappy because you go, do you know what? Life's full of our souls. I can't believe this guy is doing that. But not everything in life is like that. But unfortunately, boxing is like that. Probably your industry the same.

But if you allow it to play with your emotion, you're going to be a miserable person. You know, over here we get a big bad name for Don King. Right? Because you hear the story. Mike Tyson beat him up. He allegedly stole his money. He said that.

Don King, he's a legend out here. Well, Don King, probably. away from the ethics, probably the greatest promoter of all time. And the reason is is that when there was a show in town, he made sure you knew about it. Right?

And what he was was, he was a performer as well. Right? He'd come out there with the flags, wouldn't he? I mean, like, you knew. He might have invented branding and marketing and marketing and promoting.

I mean, that was, you know, but. He'd be with the UK flag, the US, the UK win. He got the UK up. He don't give a fuck. Joe, you know, he's still going. Right. He still has fighters.

And still, to this day, he's the hardest person to deal with. Whenever I say, though, there's a guy who's a World Cruiserweight champion. Oh, who's he with? He's with Don King. I'm like, fuck. Now, he's impossible, impossible to do a deal with. Like, he just can't help himself. Even now he's like...

Because he owned the whole game. He owned the TV, the pay-per-view. He got that building over there in West Palm where this shit got the Don King. No, Don King? Don King's a guy that when he dies, they're going to run under that mattress sofa. He's going to be like, oh, chopo.

They'll break, they're going to break the walls looking for some shit. Don King got cash and nobody's ever seen. Like, you talk about small phase 20s? Yo, that motherfucker, Don King? I'll tell you a story. We're the first rappers, and every time I say this, they got a thing with me now on the Internet, like, at Joe Lise, but we're the first rapists to ever perform

and bring a boxer in. So now all that bullshit you see with every boxer, everybody, we started it. Me and Big Punt, shout out to Carl Kna. Cito Trinidad was my favorite boxer. Mohammed Ali's my first, but the second was Tito Trinidad, Puerto Rican power, loved him to death. So he's fighting Delaware.

So I tell Carl Kahn, I know he knows Don King, and I'm like, can you introduce me to Mr. King? So he says, sure. You know, I'll be in Miami next week. We can ride up together. So we ride up to Palm Beach, wherever his shit. That's where I see the building. This, this, that.

So Don King's standing there. He got a guy playing the piano. He's looking at the guy playing the piano. Maybe an hour or two. He doesn't say a word. It's in there. Well, what the fuck you want? Like, hey, Mr. King.

I'm like, by the way, We're the biggest rappers on the earth. We just broke a record. First Latino to sell 2 million. I said, we are on fire. You understand what I'm saying? So like, we're the biggest shit. So I'm sitting there.

He goes, how can I help you? Because I know you here to ask me for something. I said, well, Mr. King, you know, we love Tito Trinidad. We're the number one rappers, this and this and that. Yeah, well, I got Ricky Martin. for that. I said, but, you know, this is fighting, right? And, uh, big pun and fat, Joe, you know, it makes more sense for Tito Trinidad to come out with us, you know, but of course, Ricky Monat, come on everybody. Let me do that conga. He had that shit.

Living like he, I'm not sure is that. No, no, living like he al-Loka. The conga. He's a legend, but what I'm trying to tell you is he was going that route. So he sat there, I said, I said, yo, we're the big. We sell millions of records, this, so he looked at me. He says, I think about it. Leave your number, this, this, that. So when we left, he probably asked some grandchildren,

some nephews, yo, you know, big pun and fat junk. They was like, yo, those boys are on fire. Like, are you crazy? They really are the guys. So he calls me up. He says, I'm going to make it happen for you. But you got to pay for all your own shit. I'm not spending a dollar on this shit.

It's up. And we said, all right, so we flew out to Vegas and we walked our idol in Tito, Trindadette, being big punt. And that started all that. Like, I've seen people's eyes open up in the crowd. Like, they never seen a rapper rap with a boxer. And he won that night. Trinidad won that night. And, you know, if I boxed, right?

Welcome to the Fat Joe and Jadish Joe. delusional records. And if I boxed, and I knew I didn't have a shot, I'd go in that first second round with all I got and try to bring them with the kitchen sink blow, you know, not just bullshit, and eventually you're going to lose anyway. And then we see that over and over in boxing.

When somebody tries, like, and you know you about that eighth round, he's going to stick that jab. There's a saying that someone says, you know, well done you did just enough to lose I don't like that that's what so many people get into a fight and they're like you know what losing on points

ain't the end of the world I can come again but you never tried to win did you really talked to good game you're a sport in the game you lose one fight and that's it you're a bum huh

yeah but I don't think I think that's the perception to a lot of people try to protect you know right and really if you're in good fights and people want to watch you fight it doesn't matter, you know, we're known for our competitive matchmaking. Sometimes we had last Saturday, Andy Cruz, the Cuban, he's six and oh.

He fought the world champion, 23 and O. Our guy's the Olympic gold medalist, but he's only had six fights. So we gambled, we lost a real close decision in a brilliant fight. And everyone's going, why did you put him in that early? You know, he's like, no, no, we all believe he was ready for that fight because he's an exceptional talent. But guess what? He was in a great fight. everybody loved the fight everyone said

respect to you you had six fights you rolled the dice next fight you'd be back and guess what if profile would be higher and we'll go again so it doesn't don't get me wrong you never want to lose and you don't want to lose two men but if you're in the great fights and people remember those knights and those fights

it's not the end of the world somebody I really love Anthony Joshua destroyed Jake you biased too you with the UK like a motherfucker Eddie, I watch you at all the fights. He's like, you're like a little darn kid. You got your little silent flag.

I was the flag that night. Yeah, yeah. That motherfucker, he looked like a Greek gladiator compared to this guy. Recently, he's in the tragic accident. I met his friends, right? How's he doing? Have you communicated with him? Last week, I went to see him.

Just, man, so trekk. Like you said, we come off the back of the Jake Paul fight. And it's been a tough year for him because he lost to Dubois. got knocked out for the world title. I don't think he took it that world of defeat. He's a very brave face guy, super positive. The energy is unbelievable. Emotional.

Yeah, yeah, but like, just come on. Yeah, let's do. We're on it. Yeah, let's go. You know, and then. That's hard. It is because that's... That's hard in any game.

To keep getting back up and say, yeah, I can make it. I could do it. Here, we don't sell a record, and then we still got to come back and say, I believe in myself. I'm going to do it. That shit is hard. And especially when you've got to go in and fight, you know, in a ring.

with the whole world watching. So we come back, we got to Jake Paul call, which was a blessing from God. I mean, you know, the profile, the audience, the fight itself, the money, everything was unbelievable. Finish that fight, you know, busted his jaw up.

Brilliant guy. Chig, do you know what? Marketing, Julius. Very smart. And by the way, I still say, people criticize him in that fight. Oh, he moved around a ring. Oh, he held.

fucking right. I mean, the guy was crazy. He was crazy even taking the fire. The second, he sat down, he got rock legend. Yeah, but also, he took that shot on the chin. Don't get me wrong, it busted his jaw. But he still went down and went, wow, he wasn't asleep. No, no, he don't give a fuck.

Let me say something. Him and his brother, two wild white boys. Yeah. They don't give a fuck. No, but they're smart. And America buys into that shit because they're like Rocky Balboa. And they fight, and they're, They're fucking tough.

I fuck with Jake Paul and his brother, Logan Paul. I don't give a fuck. I fuck with them, but he definitely. Officially, I would have said boxing is rigged. If he would have beat Anthony Joshua, I'd have gave up. That's what people were saying to me. Oh, is there a script? Oh, you're going to take it easier?

I'm like, no. I mean, AJ had been out of the ring for a year and the guy was moving around. So I took him a couple of rounds to get older than. But see that right hand, we weren't playing. I mean, that was. That shit was clubber lane. Bloody block, glass job. Respect, respect to him.

Anyway, we come off that flight, massive. I mean, all of a sudden we've got this new audience. Like, women in America are like, Oh, no. Who is this guy? You know, this guy can be all my children. It's all the soap opera. It's like, you're like, you're only just heard about Anthony Joshua,

and they're like, yes. So we're on cloud nine, like, we're flying, and then obviously goes to Nigeria as the crash, and it's just the, you know, the roller coaster of life. but that was just brutal his two best friends with him every day in camp

and he lived with him you know what I mean and that it's so sad you know and AJ himself you know injured

busted a couple of ribs up but more importantly he lost his his two friends so again at a moment I think stuff like that

takes a long time to sink in you know you ever get over it you know he gets depressed I lost one of my best friends

my sister my grandfather same time it took me two years and real depression seeing that help

and therapists and your lawyer you know it's mostly women to go see therapists right you ever knew that every week I would go it'd be 95% I've never seen another man so when I used to go and I was going in secrecy because I'm really tough guy fat Joe at that time

and they got like these little rooms I guess they all rent and it's just women out there and I was the only guy who would come every Wednesday to see the women and up Shut up Barbara Messer, man. She helped me a lot, you know, learned. And 30 years later, it was worth it.

I still use what she taught me. You broke the mold. Now, I'm sure there's, you broke the mold, because it's not all women now. Oh, when I was going, and I would ask her, and she would say, not telling their business, she was like, it's all women with successful husbands who feel like they go out of town all the time,

and they're doing their doozy. It was just me and them. The women out there, they must have new fad joke because that was really, you know, what's love is like number one in the world. And I'm going for therapy every week. And it was tough, but she taught me a lot of things

how to get help and all that. So it's very important that if, you know, he's going through that emotionally, he should seek some help. You could be a big man and walk up in there and get some help. You know, therapy is very important for that, you know, because some people deal with death.

I was just talking to somebody I love today that her mother is dying. And I was just telling her I lost, she knows, she came to the funerals. I lost my mother and father and brother last year, three the hard way. And I told her, you know, the cycle of life. You know, that's actually tragic that they're young and nobody knows how they're going to die. They died in a car accident. You know, that circle of life, man, is coming for all of us. Yeah.

You know, and so shout out Anthony Joshua, man. I hope he's all right, man. God bless his family. Top five greatest fighters are all time, and we can leave it at that. I mean, let me tell you all about this podcast. It's the motherfucking Joe and Jay that's your biggest in the world on Netflix.

You know why? My partner's under the weather. I still shot it with him. Eddie Hurons gave us a 15-minute, 20-minute window. He was sitting there for an hour and a half. He luts this shit. He ain't going nowhere. Eddie Hurst, top five greatest of all time.

Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray Leonard. That's my hero. Sugar Ray was the man. That's your father's super. Yeah. Well, just a quick one on that. When I started with the zone,

we built all the punditry, the commentators, everything. And the first thing I said to him was, we need Sugar Ray Leonard. And we signed Sugar Ray Leonard to do the... That's a commentator. That's the right thing. He probably wasn't good enough to do it. it, but I didn't give a fight.

I just wanted to meet him. And, and, uh, because he's, he's unbelievable fire. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, of course, Freud Mayweather. Well, I don't say, boy. I mean, Crawford, are you going to say Corford? Do you know, the only thing with Crawford is he never got the chance to really fight the elite guys consistently because they never wanted to fight him. He would have fought them.

He wanted to. He fucked on boy up. One of the lead fight. No, no, not Canello, the other guy just before that. Oh, Errol Spence. Yeah, Aral Spence was good. It was an expense. No, but he was, I don't get me wrong, it was a good win, but he wasn't any fine, I don't think.

No, no, not after far crash, you know, crash and stuff like that. But listen, it was still an amazing win, but Crawford, I feel like he had so much more in a tank because he was that good. What I'm going to do is I'm going to tie number five with three or four guides. Crawford, Ussick, unbelievable fire, undisputed at Cruiserweight. Undisputed at heavyweight. Evander Hollisfield, one of my favorite buyers, he was a cruiserweight

that went up to head. I loved him and hate him. He fought. He beat up Mike Tyson. I went to the bathroom and cried. But you watch Riddick Boe against Amanda Holyfield. No, no.

Vanda's one of the greatest support. That fucking jab, that boy, oh, my, I tell you, punched me. He's in a tire of Queen Latifah Chase me for the knife.

Some of these guys, they want to prove I'm pussy. You know, he punched me right in the red. Boom. Queenslandaifa chased me with a knife. This ain't that. That ain't this. Grabbing kids.

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