The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe and Jada - Fat Joe & Jadakiss on Drake's UK rap take, "Lean Back" history, Taylor-Serrano III & TOP hip hop DJs

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss react to Drake's take that UK rappers have "the world's best lyricists," Skepta calling out US hip hop and igniting a beef with Joyner Lucas, Katie Taylor beating Amanda Serrano on Netflix to put a nail in their trilogy, and Edgar Berlanga losing to Hamzah Sheeraz via a fifth-round KO. Joe and Jada also reveal their favorite hip hop DJs of all-time, including Kid Capri, Funkmaster Flex, DJ Jazzy Jeff, and others. They round out the show with a round of fan questions, with Joe breaking down his struggle with his publishing rights before dropping "Lean Back," Jada revisiting his epic Verzuz battle with The Lox against Dipset, and both hip hop legends discussing their dream collaborations and the iconic tracks they wish they'd been able to feature on. 2:30 - Katie Taylor vs. Amanda Serrano III & Berlanga's loss 6:30 - Rucker Park flipping on Joe 11:30 - Drake's UK rap take & Skepta vs. Joyner Lucas 16:00 - Joe's hilarious run-in with Nems 18:00 - Favorite DJs of all time 25:30 - Fan Q&A 28:00 - Best beats they've ever rapped to 34:00 - Revisiting The Lox vs. Dipset Verzuz battleSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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if I'm saying S&S with the mustard shirt, he's getting bookings. He called me and said, thank you, Joe. My bookings are going up. We're the hottest moving out here right now. Yeah, yeah, what up, y'all? This is Joe Crack. Know who it is your boy Jada.

You know what this is, the Joe and Jada show. Just like that. Ha ha! Scott. We back. I had a rough weekend. Yeah. Tell me about it.

Before you even go into it, we was doing a lot of promoting for Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano. We was doing a lot of promoting for Aga Balanga. And my other guy from over the water. Now, there'd be no fourth and fifth Serrano until it won't be another. The trilogy's over, my brother. Yeah, it is. It's sad because I can't make sense of it

because the first and second, they went toe to toe, three minutes of round for 12 rounds. They kept going, blow for blow fights in a year. And I felt like it was air punching. Like, I could not believe. And what's crazy is sometimes you got to build your audience. the years.

Because Serrana has been such a great champion over the years and that Ireland and the Puerto Rico, that shit, that stadium Madison Square Guard felt like, I haven't felt like that as a Puerto Rican's twin of that. It was like, it was on in there. It was people were fighting each other. It was crazy in there. And, you know, she didn't come to fight the way she normally does, man. And I think that hurt her very much because it's so hard to get the people.

behind you that way. It was magical. I'm sitting there. Lewis Guzman is there. The girl, Gina from Disney, the movies. It's Kevin Hart. By the way, Kevin Hart said the podcast is feeding on him.

He ain't know what he was funny. I said, I ain't know we was funny even. And he's like, yo, y'all, y'all big, funny. Shout out to Kevin Hart. Balanga. Heard me bad because we lost Amanda Serrano. Shout out to Katie Teller. But the next day, I'm thinking redemption.

You know, Puerto Rican's going to win something. So I go out there, you know, I'm looking fly. I got that sky blue Louis shit on, see it, sucker. You know, diamonds is out. Got Remmy with me, the family. And another thing, I'll go into his room before he fights. And his wife is like, Malanga's wife was like, who knew? I said, like, what?

She was like, that you guys were so funny. Your podcast is. I don't know, have you been getting that experience? A lot of love. Airports, diners, malls, Louis Store, a lot of love. It's crazy, man. The other day of FedEx truck pulled up on me and was like, yo, I'm watching you now. I don't know, shout out to the truckers.

My man, Rhino B.X was a TV legend. They must listen. Yeah, they let the truckers. That's that audio check. That's how I go, James. They look at the episode. Or they listen. Some people watching.

Some listen. Yeah, crack. Some people watching. Some people listen. Some people listening. Just laughing and shit. Like, yo, these guys are crazy because we are crazy. But, um, Belanga, man.

Man, he took that hell, man, my little brother. I'm, you know, this ain't just, you know, I love him to death. He's family. So it touched me in a different way to see him go down. Shout out to Hamza. Everybody who threw the event, they took care of us, the Turk. You know what I mean? Turkey for Saudi Arabia.

Salama al-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-brothers. But, man, that was hard. That was hard. And, you know, they put him through concussion protocol because he was getting here hard. So he's in this room for like an hour, and they're checking him, and then they had forced him to the hospital.

Like, it was just, it was just, it was just wild for me. What I didn't like was how the crowd turned on him. He'd come out. He knew yorks on. I see a million Puerto Rican flags, people sing and lean back. We're walking him into the ring and the next thing you know,

what was it, the fourth or fifth round? As soon as he get dropped, I've seen the same people cheering for him, screaming and laughing and clapping. And, you know, I'm old, so I've been through this before personally, but I know him. I don't know where he's at mentally

to see the fans that were acting like they were cheering from him. And now the difference, is they got you on social media, twisted every way, you're falling down. You know, the thing is to sell a fight, you know, even in versus. Jaru, one of my best friends, but when I was doing the versus, I'm hyping it up, throwing videos just to get the crowd in there.

So he's hyping that shit up distant Delaware with the wig, with the panties. You know, he's trying to hype up the fight. But, you know, that happened to me one time. You know, when we used to coach at the Rucker, I used to coach. Shout out Kareem Reeve, Mousie and everybody. I had one, like, I think five chips in a row before Jay-Z came.

And the culture, the Rutgers are a prestigious place, but the EBC at that time, it was crickets. So I'm coming there. I'm bringing AI. I'm bringing Steph on. I mean, one game I had the whole Eastern Conference All-Stars out there. Like, I was dumbing out so much. They brought Kobe because I was dumbing.

They brought, right? I bring the tournament back, right, to where, you know, everybody want to play. Everybody is, everybody bringing NBA players is off the chain. And then Jay Z throws the team in there. Oh, he's walking in with Beyonce and, nah, it's a big movie. Whoever you name is walking in with him. But it's my park. Like, I won five chips and I own this shit.

You understand what I'm saying? And so I should be the favorite and everybody was up in there. Uptown, they throw the X. When I walked into that game, the blackout, the whole crowd that goes X, do this up. Five years of blood, sweating tears, making this tournament what it was again, restoring the faith, the nostalgia in there.

I walk in there. I don't know if only their fans got in. I like to think those was the same guys who used to throw the X up. We got to get OG Juan to hear to talk about that guy. I tell you, they all did this. Somebody here OG Juan, let them know we're talking some shit right now. But when they did that, that shit was like an invisible spear in my heart.

I was like, yo, you know, I was trying to type of work I put in now here. I was taking summers off. What stops number one in the country? They're trying to pay me $150,000 a show, $200,000. I'm taking the whole shit off. Just to coach these guys, wearing this. I'm out there. That hurt.

That was close. I'm sure the Belonga shit was on another level, but that's how I felt that day when I was like, damn, I thought these people were with me and he turned on me like that. And I guess that's part of sports. You know, I've seen some of my friends.

I get really mad. Rich gets really mad. So when we see our friends, you know, obviously, your fat Joe loved that young kid Belonga. You know it, though, No doubt. So I feel like all my friends know it. So if I'm looking at people trash talking to him on the comments

and people that are family that stand with us and laughing and liking it and my man's wives of them, I'm almost like, this is like what Trump won. I almost ain't talk to half the people I knew that was going for Trump. So it was like, yo, I'm over here when he loses, they clowning him. and people I know who know I love him are in the comments laughing and so y'all he had to learn this lesson this I mean it's tough it was tough for me

I'm sure it's tougher for him hope he's safe and healthy and get back and back to training and get back on his age and what you got to understand right it's easy to comment about people it's easy to have an opinion about somebody but you know what I see as a kid from the process

in Brooklyn and the Lower East Side, who found the way to make over $20 million at a young age. If I was in my go buy me 10 wing stops right now. You understand what I'm saying? And so when I see a kid come from nothing, this is why I big up like a Cardi B. I know how hard it is for a guy to make it out the South Bronx, or Remi Ma.

You know how hard it is for a woman to become successful coming out of this shit? And so this is why, you know, I always see that in everybody. I don't know if you know, but, you know, you know the rapper out of the UK Skepta called out the whole United States. Did you see that? The man, no, no, no, let me talk. I thought he just said something about joining Luke.

No, he said the whole United States fell off. All the rappers are trash. And Jonah look at the only one who stuck his chin. Now, he's the only one that said, yo, my man, like, are you serious? Yo, you're had it, your whack, you're not bringing it no more, this, this, that. And Jordan Lucas said that,

and then he talked some shit about him. And Joanna Lucas said, you know what, I'm going to just fall back. And then they really talk shit about Jonah Luca, like, yo, he folded, you know, you know, they call you to the yard, you got to come out. And so Skepter did a disc record. and then Joyner just answered earlier today,

which was pretty fired. But, you know, that's round one. Not the whole United... I don't know about this... I don't know about global. Global? I can't even. Yeah, that's global.

Yeah, but you think the United States fell off rap completely? Hell no. I'm asking the question. You know, Drake went up there and co-signed a man that said the best lyricist is from the UK. that might have through the extra energy. Sure, it did.

That's cool. This is a competitive blood sport. It always been. Just the new evolution of digital technology just makes it a little easier. I do agree. That the UK started that drill rap shit. I do agree. I don't know who started what.

And they're making great music. But the whole United States, come on. Kiss. Like, you know, you can't. I'm not even commenting on the whole United States. What is that? Yo, let me tell you something, man. I came with this bar and said,

they sent me to the wolves and I came back with a fur. It sounded like something out of the Bible. The new Bible. They sent me to the wolves and I came back with a fur. And that's what it's like being from any inner city being from nothing. You know, I try to tell people if you can look at your family's DNA,

your ancestors, what they went through, how poor they was, how fucked up they are, and you're the first in a generation of hundreds of DNA lines to become successful, take care of your family,

send your kids to college. That means you're an exact. And so that's how I look at all of you and everybody who overcame all the odds. Pretty much good way to look at it. You know what I mean? If you're not letting a devil occupy you at time and you're doing something useful, to bring change to your family finances is always a good thing because it's hard, like you said. Bad Bunny.

The man started a residency Puerto Rico Abram went out there Draymond Green he sold out I think 60 concerts in the row stadium to Trilocene and he's generating

over $200 million for Puerto Rico and everybody flying. I'm flying in. Me and Norrie flying in with our families and we're going to go party with bad bunny and all that.

How ill is that that he took power into his own hands. He refused to tour. He's not going to tour nowhere. United States anywhere. He's got to go there. Book tickets.

Book hotels. Eat at the restaurants. Feed the people. That's some pretty ill shit. What do you think about that? I think that's awesome. You need more shit like that in the culture, in hip-hop.

You know what I mean? That was a good thing for him to do. very honorable thing. We got to do for Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. It's crazy because I go to the fight back to the balanga, right? And, you know, I was like this. I was a big boy.

I was 480. So we sit in the front row, my wife, my daughter, Remy, and we're sitting next to my brother, Gorilla Mims. Bingbaum, one of the best guys in the world. The band. sitting, damn, man, they was calling him seat in a half because he was taking up a seat in a half. And so...

Who called him seating the half? Y'all, y'all, you know, if this was the mafia, Chris, he'd be them seat and a half. Because he'd take up seat and a half, right? So, my daughter's sitting there. Yo, my daughter's sitting next to him. She's in the fucking pretzel. So she's squatting this hot out there.

As he had the half a seat. So she's like, somehow we finesse the seat next to Remy. She sat there and my wife turns around and tells them, which play is coming to sit here next to you? He said, oh no, Rich player, he's too big to sit here. He can't come up here. And I said, that's like the kettle calling the pot black or something. I said, this motherfucker.

So I ain't going to lie. my wife had some jokes. So I was like, yo, bro, you fell in love with the big boy, man. Don't disrespect. The guy was over there. Shout out to Paul, Eminem's manager. Rosenberg. Rosenberg and fucking Rob Reef Tullo was in the building.

Yeah, seat and a half. Yo, Nems is your thing. He loves the show. Not after he called him seat to half. I don't give a fuck. You got to understand the whole shit is, even if I'm making jokes about you. If I'm saying S&S with the mustard shirt,

he's getting bookings. He called me and said, thank you, Joe. My bookings are going up. We did how to shit moving out here right now. Collab on them with the shirt, with the mustard on it. No, that, no, he has serious. When I tell you, S&F,

who's your favorite DJs of all time? No, no, I ain't doing that. I'm just saying, that me like around like three DJs. I'll tell you, mine's a twist of a. finger. Yeah, my shit really quick. And you hear it. I'll let you go first. It's not even a competition, really. You know, pride

comes before the fall, but let me say something, right? I'm Kid Capri. Still. What do you want me to do? S and S? I'm saying phone for Massiflex. Just on that radio space. You only doing three, right? You only doing three? Three. No, I got, I got to throw Ted's smooth somewhere in there.

All right, four. It's an honorable mention. I feel, all right. Who else? No, no, you go. Only four? Three with an honorable mention. I would do.

It's three with an honorable. Why do you always change the room? It's three with the honorable mission. All right. So my honorable mention, it's Ted's smooth. That's cool. I like those. That was very beautiful.

Caller too rich to put him in the DJ. Man, you just don't. No, no, I'm just saying. He's too rich. Caller too rich. He's just going to keep going up this. No, no, no. All right.

D. Nice. Rest of peace, Clark Kent. You know what I mean? I'm throwing my DJ Tech in there. Oh, and I'm coming back. DJ Jazzy Jeff. Oh, my God.

And then, mm-hmm, hmm-hmm. I only said four. I said three in the honorable. Yeah, I did three. I only did what I did. You went to Jazzy Jack.

All right. It may get that. I ain't got a lot of you. I just named you four for right there. I love all the guys. you say. I love all the guys you said. And there's so many DJs that we could have mentioned, you know what I'm saying?

There's Mark, he rest in peace. There's Mark used to rock it. Q-Tip, Vasty. See, I start naming shit to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With that hat. What's the hat? Cassidy, Cassidy.

A man, Cassidy's different. A man, Cassidy with that. He's an eclective chase, you know? I mean, he's one of the biggest ever. You know, one of the things the clip said on that album is we create content. We're not content creators. And so the mind of somebody being creative, you know, thinking that we thought of Joe and Jader, who thought of this combination and it'll work the way it is because it feels like yin and yang

or the odd couples. You know what I'm saying? I say some crazy shit. and you thinking like normal people think. He's saying some crazy shit, right? But the magic of creating something, music, anything, you know, the juice. Who came up with the concept to have the juice bars? Out of us is SP, Stiles.

Stiles is first to even, you know, think of the thing. Shout out to my brothers, Nye and Leo. But Pete was the first one to get us on the health kick. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

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You know, we got some shit we're doing today. Hit the link right there below, and you can call the number up and ask Joe and Jada anything you want. I think we have some. Let's get into this. Yo, what's good? This B.G. from Virginia, man.

Represent that hip-hop and the jar, preserving the culture. I just want to salute y'all for doing just that, man. Salute to Jada and Joe for preserving the culture, man. This hip-hop thing 50 years and going. And that's it, man. That's all. Salute to y'all. Keep it going.

Keep up the great work. Peace and love from VA. Hip-Hop and the jaw, preserving the culture. Peace. Hip-hop and the jaw, preserving the culture. Big shout out. and love the VA. You know what I mean?

Nothing but love, my brother. We appreciate it. You ain't gonna get a lot of them kind of calls, so that was, we appreciate that. Yo, Jada, in the one-tick, Cypher, Red Bull freestyle, what's that hoodie you're wearing, that pink one?

The dude's on it. That shit flies. Fuck, I need to know where to cop that. Oh, got that from downtown from this. Shout out the Millie's. Millie's plug me with his man, Danny. And it's a new store downtown that I get all the info. I'll get it to you, my brother.

You can actually have the hoodie that I had on. I can't wear it to get into. You can actually get that actual one I wore. Just DM me or do something, you know what I mean? Hit us up somehow on the show. And I'll give you the actual hoodie from the Red Bull. Only got one of the hoodie, so it's only one. I mean, forget about it.

We got his name and all that. Yeah, we got his name. I got you. Yeah. He going to get that. Next question, Joe and Jada. Hey, Joe and Jada. It was good, man.

This is David. Originally from Queens, New York, but I live in Houston now. I've been listening to you guys since I was about 13, 14 years old. So it's amazing to see you guys together. That's so entertaining. The one question I asked is, is there ever been an artist or artists that you guys ever want to collaborate with

but just never had the opportunity to? And if, you know, if you're kidding, like, what was the reason or, or is it just because, you know, they might have passed away or whatever like that? What's the one dream collaboration you guys ever wanted to do? Andre three stacks and Stevie Wonder for me. I said Dr. Dre, but, you know, he took it a little different because he said people ain't here no more. If I could ever get some Lute or some MJ B. He and a big one. J. Adlips.

Just some he he You know That's the ultimate Collab for me Next question Yo Jada Joe Good looking on the podcast

Y'all doing great Real quick question though Top 5 beats y'all ever hopped on With top 10 beats y'all ever hopped on Or Top 10 beats of all time. I'd rather hear y'all top 10. I might get exposed to some

new shit. But yeah, good looking. And keep it up, guys. One. Good looking. Whatever that was, we're going to save that one and talk about it on the, we got to think about it and then we're going to use it

for one of your damn things you like to do. But we're not going to do 10. We're going to do five. Okay. that you wrapped on or that that you wrapped on and that I rap. Nile, nil, my shit, bring it on. I think the archimists did that. Boom, bam, b'noum, then my lifestyle, buckwow.

Right? And definition of a dawn, that's the archimist again. Primo, thank God for that white. And it's always, for me, you know, my favorite song, did it. My life is a collaboration with Pondar Deep Cover. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? So those are my favorite five beats I ever

rap too. I thought he was going to keep going like you usually do. No. Oh, shit. This ain't really bad. This ain't really hard because I don't got to think I can just say anything I want. All for the love, which is Swiss. Wow.

All for the love of Swiss's first placement. And before it stopped. People don't know that. First Locks album, my solo song, All for the Love, that Swiss beats first beat in the world that got placed on the album, first place.

Bam, we gonna make it Alchemist. I mean. Alchemist, did we gonna make it? Benjamin's, D.D.D. Derek Angeletti. I mean, why? Shout out to my man, Havoc for Mobb. I mean. Havoc did why?

Yeah. And recognize, Primo. I love you. Next question. Please. M.O.P. staff. Hey, hey, Joe and Jada. Legends, legends.

My question is, my name is Joe, by the way, from Fitchburg, Massachusetts. I didn't even know that. My question is, how do you guys develop such longevity in the game to where you guys came out in the 90s and still now, everybody wants to hear what you guys have to say everybody wants to dress how you guys dress everybody wants to uh like live the lifestyle of you guys everybody still wants to hear the music you guys drop like how did you guys just have that kind of longevity in this culture that's so different right now um like you see how how the music and how everybody uh you know what they what they want out of life is just so different than we had What kind of words can you give the guys that are in their 30s and their 40s right now just to keep that level of cool with the culture right now? Yeah, a lot. You've got a lot to say, huh?

I say the longevity thing is embracing the new stuff that comes out without compromising what you stand for and what you represent, being able to be talked to, being approachable, being able to reach the people. and all the other shit is him. Well, you just got to believe in yourself. You know what I'm saying? At all times, as an artist, as a man, or a female as a person. Self-confidence.

You got to have that self-confidence and believe in yourself. You know how many times they counted me out? And, you know, I got stories like, I got jerked from my publishing for, like, 12 to 15 years in my career. And so I was hearing about everybody getting these publishing deals and for millions of dollars. Ludacris came.

He was like, yo, I got this publishing deal for millions. I was hearing all the rapists. So when I finally got my publishing back, I go around to all the Warner Brothers everywhere that was at Warner Chapel and this. And they were like looking at me like, you know, listening to me. And they were like, yeah, all right. And they was offering me shit like $200,000 deals and all.

And I remember I went in my car. And my lawyer at the time, he came to the car. I was like, yo, I thought they was giving people millions. He was like, yo, Joe, you're not hot right now. I was like, you know, I mean, I guess that's part of the narcissism or the delusion. When he said that the next day I had drove down to Miami to meet with Scott Storch, and we made Lean Back. I came back to New York, maybe a month.

later with Lean Back fully done and went back to the same people They wasn't trying to leave me Let me go out to office They was offering me M's like crazy Because they knew it and I was showing them to dance Lean back They were like oh no don't leave

Hold up we got some M's for you We got some this and this and that So at the end of the day The only way to be To make you believe in us is we got to believe in ourselves Next question Please

Yo kids Joe, what's going on? Drey from Mass. Joe, I had a quick question. What was it like to see Jada on stage with Dipset versus the locks? When he put on that freestyle

and he said, this is what I do. What was going through your brain and what did you think of Jada after that? I love the show. Y'all keep going. Massachusetts stand up. We love y'all. Peace. Thanks for the question.

Is that before COVID or after? Did you know you caught COVID in there? No, I did catch COVID. for the day. For the first time. That's him. But the craziest shit is... He sacrificed his life.

He came to and jacked me out. No, I was torn, right, between both of y'all. I thought y'all were going to win. But Dipset ain't nothing to smile at. You know what I mean? So I think they could have did a lot better if they would have sequenced it, right? Thanks. But I was in there, and I didn't want to see you see me cheering for them.

I didn't want them to see me cheering for you. I was in a fucked up position, right? So I'm sitting there like that. I'm like, what you said, Jada? Should a war wing. Should a war wing. I should have. It came into the sky.

I had the little thing, and then they threw on the welcome to New York City. They threw up the home of 9-11. And I'm not going to lie to you. That fucked me up. I forgot all about New York. I was like, oh, my God. God, they're doing this. And then when y'all dropped that, boom, boom, boom,

I couldn't even hide my colors. I was like, yo, you see that video when you're talking to all that shit, then the camera goes to me. And I'm like, oh, like I did. At that point, if it wasn't dipset, I definitely would have jumped up on that ring and try to do New York with you right there at that versus.

The shit was crazy because I'm not going dismal. our guys too. But that's one of the most epic 20th century hip hop moments. You know, we heard a shit back in the day like Kumo D. Busy B. We heard of, you know, Keras, 1thoram, dawn off the stage. We heard of these legendary times. But in our generation, that right there was, it was just incredible. It was like the beat who's coming to America, some wild shit like that. It was like, because you know, you see the Beatles come to America.

You see the girls at the fucking airport by the millions. Like, they couldn't believe they was coming. That's how it felt that night. It felt like it was shit. We had never with this before.

You know, Michael Buffer came out. In this corner from Harlem, New York. That shit was crazy, yo. That whole night was just perfection. It was just perfection. So win for hip-hop. Next question. Please.

Hey, this is Nate. Joe and Jada, you guys are legends in hip-hop. I have individual playlist of both of you guys, and I really appreciate your contribution to hip-hop. With that stated, is there a feature on an artist's song that was supported? extremely impactful in your lives.

Also, is there a feature from an artist that you wanted to get but never had the chance to get? A feature that impacted my life a lot was AZ on Naz and Zematic. I never heard nobody flow like that so smoothly changed our life. And I've always wanted, you know, he's happy with his career and everything. but I always wanted, I really thought AZ was going to be like, but Naz and JZ, you know, on that super level. But if we talk in features, that's the one that stands out the most to me. If I could pick two, all right.

I'm not going to be. Me, it had to be Nas live at the barbecue. That fucked us up when we heard that. It was like it was incredibly incredible for some young. The whole song was incredible. But Nas' verse was just crazy for me. For me. At the age of 12, I went to hell for stuff for Jesus.

We never even heard shit like that. Nobody said nothing even remotely closer. That shit was like, hello. You know, that shit was like somebody's coming. There you go. We got Nause and both those. It's crazy. Next question, please.

I got a two-parted questions for both. Two-parted. That's four questions. So I was listening to 40 bars of terror where Jada rapped over the Yeah, yeah, yeah, beat on the Lean Back, on the Terror Squad album. So I wanted to know Jada, how you get into that mindset to hit those balls with such surgical precision. And then the second question is,

What was Joe's reaction when he heard those balls? Did you ever think about making an official remix? Or was that dead? Did you hear the ball? Like, nah, I'm not putting him on my record because he body my shit. So, yeah, that's what I would like to know. For me, that song was in song. Anytime I do a freestyle is paying homage to this original song

because you like it that much. But that 40 bars are terrible. Yeah, the beat, I couldn't wait. To use that beat, I was doing the Champions Air Part 1. So I was doing the whole mixtape, and that was definitely, after they dropped that song, I'm like, I need that. That's definitely going to be one of the instrumentals I use.

So, yeah, that was, for me, it's always homage. Anytime you hear me doing any bars when somebody beat, it's because you like the original beat, especially when you do 40 bars or more. You really love the beat. You know what I mean? 40 bars. I don't know, man.

I just, you know, I love J.D. Kiss every time he raps. I think he's one of the few. I ain't trying to gas this dude, he don't need it right now. But, you know, every time he raps, I feel like he's one of the, man, he's one of the very, very, very, very, very, very few emcees that, I think he kill every verse you ever did. So it's like, you know, I give that to Big too. Somebody like Jay-Z, you know, it's very rare that a rapper kill every verse I've heard.

So I've got to always salute Jada for that. Appreciate that. Next question, please. Joe and Jada, what's up? This is Riverside Slim. I can't even like feet pipe, pipe com is crazy, hey, yo. But this one for me. for Jada. Jada, is there any rap song or R&B song, whatever,

that you wanted to write a verse to or, you know, wish it was your track out of all tracks, which one you was like, man, I could have did an ill verse on that, John. I think every song that's a hit, you feel like you could have, you wish you could have been featured on. But how many features have you been on? Jada, do you ever did the numbers?

They ain't going to do the analytics on me until I'm dead. Then ain't going to start finding all kind of incredible new shit that I did that they could have told me when I was alive. What do you say something you wish you was on that you hear? I go from in the club, lean back all the way up. I actually did a remix or that, me and fab. Any song that's a hit, you wish you was a part of it. Any song that make you want to be on it, that's how you know is a hit.

For me, it's everything that, everything. A bunch of Drake songs, bunch of Rick Raw shits, Kanye, all of those shits that come out. You're like, damn, why did it fuck they? They called me for them. You know, the one song I hear all the time that I'd be like, damn, I could have been on it.

You know, I should have been on that. Was the French song pop that? Oh, yeah. Damn, you missed it? I missed it. That song right there, every time I hear it. I'm like, man, I wish I was on that fucking song.

You know, it's just that energy that comes on. Whenever I work out in the gym, I work out. As a good song, as a matter of fact, I got to try working. That's a good song. Oh, no, no, that's hype mania. That right there, that should have get you right. Ballin, bawling. Like in New England.

New England. Like I play for new whiskey. Sheesh. You don't, um, something that came across. my desk. Somebody was talking. It was like, you know, that young kids, you know,

we have a real weird space in hip-hop because like young kids, they ain't trying to spit. You know, when we was out there, we was busting our bubble to come up with some shit. Nowadays, these kids... Sound effects. And it's over before

it starts. Because these guys find a way to either get killed or kill somebody before they even really, really blow up like that. And so you see kids nowadays saying they don't even want to rap. They'd rather be streamers

because they're watching guys like, God, Sadin and them dudes going to the bank. So kids now, it's almost like we have a lack of talent. No offense to anybody doing their thing, but we have a lack of talent because kids want to go another way. for the first time, instead of just saying, I want to be a rapper,

they say, I want to be a streamer. And it's less dangerous. They're getting up there. They're joking. They're making money. They're having fun. They're dancing. And they're not dying.

What do you think about that? I'm always put the music first, but you write about that is becoming a very dangerous game and a dangerous space. And they drilling and spinning and sliding and doing all of them shits and decreasing the population. So probably make some of the young. younger kids don't want to do it is also making some of the younger kids want to do it.

So you got to keep an eye on on that part of it. But, you know, streaming is dope. But I love streaming. I love, I put music first because I'm an artist and I want to see more music. I want to see more artists. I want to see hear more rapping. You know what I mean? More substance.

But as long as they can stay out of trouble, make money, do whatever they do, that's always a beautiful thing. Well, it seems like all the time, my friends, who are my age who are a little bit younger, get back in the gym and start working out crazy. And they're lifting up the whole gym and they tear their shoulder. They always

get hurt these guys. You ever know as a guy, yo, but I mean like every guy I know it starts working out, they hurt themselves. They always, yo, how's the gym? Oh, Toramai, you did this, that what the fuck are you all doing in there?

Me, I'd rather just take old Zepic and take a war. And with that bit, it's said, ladies and gentlemen. This is the Joe and Jay. I look 53 where you can look 35. Why I look 35 when you can look 13? And if you need energy, get that kiss cafe, baby. Yeah, I'm me.

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