The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe and Jada - Jesse Williams on BLM & BET Awards speech, 'Grey's Anatomy' & 'Hotel Costiera'

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by 'Grey's Anatomy' star Jesse Williams. Joe and Jada ask Jesse about his new show 'Hotel Costiera' on Prime Video, showrunner and titan of the television industry Shonda Rhimes sticking up for him when fans wanted him off 'Grey's Anatomy,' his college years in Philadelphia in the prime hip hop era with The Roots taking off, his lifelong activism for racial justice, and his speech at the 2016 BET Awards advocating for the Black Lives Matter movement. 3:00 - Joe & Jada acknowledge the sudden female audience in the room 5:30 - College years in Philadelphia & Philly hip hop culture 7:30 - Why it's so important to teach African history 11:00 - Great inventions credited to African-Americans 18:00 - Acting breakthrough & initial typecast roles 20:30 - Joe needs Jada to explain his mud scene in Queens 24:00 - Shonda Rhimes & 'Grey's Anatomy' 28:00 - 2016 BET Awards speech 39:00 - Toasting to his new show 'Hotel Costiera' 46:00 - Joe's crazy Mongolia trip 51:30 - Jesse's advice for young biracial kids 54:30 - Iconic Black TV show pick'em [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't think about it like that. You have to a little bit. I mean, what up, y'all? This is Joe Crack the Dawn. Know who it is your boy, Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. every show iconic

and we're still on course. Biggest in the game. Biggest in the game. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our guests today. Great actor. Excellent actor. Excellent Broadway player.

Excellent activist. Excellent human being. Just a great person. Jesse Williams makes a dog. What out? What out? Thanks for having me. Listen, we got women

I don't know if you know I said it's in the Rock Nation building but we have women from every different floor I'm looking at all of y'all. They don't really work on this floor and they're all here in attendance today. My style is, yeah. You got the old shit.

Danny wanted to help you into that. So y'all don't have that. That's a lot of necessary. There's act down going to find ourselves. You're my Dominicana that's in the seventh floor. She's up. They all escaped to this floor right. It was like GSA getting in here.

I see people that never ever wanted to this city. On the episode today, they mysteriously is extra female headed it. How does it feel to know that you could take any guy's wife in the world? Like, what is it feeling like, Jess? I don't think about it like that. You had to a little bit. I mean, you know, knowing is enough sometimes.

They don't mean you got to do it. No doubt. You know what I mean? See, I never knew that. Like, I know I'm not ugly, but I never knew, like, I never knew enough. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, you know, I had to chase my wife for weeks.

Yeah, for sure. You know, I mean, you just wanted them like, yo, I got you. He's just going like this. It's talking to my brother. Growing up in Chicago, first of all, how was that? That she was rough. I mean, that was the 80s crack era of Chicago. I mean, I left in junior high because this she was, it was wild.

And my mom wanted me to survive it. But it was real. I mean, I'm so grateful for it. I had an incredible childhood. It was just, it was 80s. When you moved to Chicago? I moved from Chicago to Massachusetts. Wow.

I moved, yeah, I became a nigga real church. That was my parents got divorced. My mom moved to a different art school. And I got a whole lot of family in New England. I think she just wanted to be closer to family because we were kind of isolated. Are you like Cape Verdeans? No, there's Matt Cape Verdeans. In Bedford, Mac Cape Verdeans.

Everybody thought I was Kay Birdian. Everybody thought I was Kay Birdian. I mean, everywhere I'd be going to think I was. I'm them. Puerto Ricans think I'm Puerto Rican. Brazilian think I'm Brazilian. You know what I mean? Like,

good blood in everywhere. You get them where this guy. First of me, I'm not speaking Spanish. He got that shit. You can throw a fucking Habaja on and go in Dubai and be a Dubai guy.

I'm saying. That's next. That might be the next one. He's everything. Then, you went to Temple? T.U. Went to Temple University.

What was that? Temple was dope. That was a good, that was a good time, too. because it was, I was a temple right when, like, the roots were taken off. Erica, Jazzy, Fat Nassi's, Common, Black Star. Everybody was there. Everybody was there for all that, Soulquarians, DeAngelo.

Like, there was just like this renaissance, free shows everywhere. Every night, Jazzy Fat Nassies, five spot, like, you know, you would just see real music. That was the best place to be. Ill hip hop all the time. You know, shout out to like, you know, electric factory. Jill Scott fell in love with Joe Scott there. And we had our basketball team.

It was nice, too. That's when we had, like, Pepe Sanchez, Quincy Wadley. We played Lamar Odom at URI. We played them like, we made like the Elite 8. Okay. Live on TV. Coach Cheney's? It's our motto is T-U, motherfucker.

So that didn't really work well for ESPN. It was like live on ESPN. They never came back. But we had Coach Cheney. No doubt. We had coach trainers. Yeah, that was a good years. And I taught high school in Philly for a few years.

What was that like? That was dope. That was the best job I ever had. You know, I taught high school in the hood. Explain that to us. Just for the love of the kids? Yeah, for the love of the kid for how important it was. Bad ass kids.

There were some badass kids there too. They got the better detected in the fucking from first to sixth grade. We had that too. I had two kids with a loaded gun in my class. Like I had the age. That's a high school. High school. And I looked like I was in my early 20s.

They had guns. We had a daycare center. They had babies. You know. Kids in the school had babies. Oh yeah, we had a daycare center. Like it was, yeah, a lot of the girls were pregnant. It was real shit.

It's where we came from. So it was like, I was that badass kid. Like it was, I've been definitely had my life turned in the right direction by great teachers before. And I was trying to do that. Like it was, it was beautiful work. It was important. I had really great students. I taught, like, you know, I turned every class.

I was a sub, long-term sub at first. And I would have turned everything into African history. And it was beautiful. It was just changed. But it's such a lack of that, right? Because right now I just saw, they have a museum. Right now, why they're trying to, like, erase African-American history. Yeah, basically making it illegal.

They just got the gun that killed Emmett Till. The person who found it is also the guy who wrote the book about Emmett Till. And he says there is no mention of Emmett Till in no history book in the whole school system throughout the civil rights era, nothing like that. Yeah. So it's so important. to teach African-American history to the youth because we don't know. Like, you know, I argue with these.

It's foundational, though. Like, you know, sometimes I'm in the car and somebody says something. I don't know say, do you know the traffic stop was created by a person? Yeah. Do you know the plasma was Charles Richard? None of this shit works if they know what we created. Like the whole hustle of the society and white supremacy, the con doesn't work if you actually understand the role of the contributions

that black folks and that don't start with slavery if you learn where Greece actually studied where Rome actually study where they learn in Africa where institutions and mathematics and all these things came from it's not just like to feel good

it's the actual history is foundational of all this shit empire's rise and fall you know what I mean like we're in one that's going to fall and I hope we're not while I'm here yeah but

my kids I don't know to be able to every empire falls Yeah. Like, so you know how we feel like this is America and can nobody come blow us up? We saved this. That's bullshit.

It happened to every empire in the past. Yep. You know? And what's crazy is I just came back on a flight from Dubai with a couple that went to Egypt. There's one place I've never been to that I always want to go to. Yeah, me too. And I was talking to them and they were like,

yo, you know, King Tut. Like, I find this confused. And they was like King Tut is still in the tomb right there. You could see him. And I'm like, how could you see King Cut? Didn't he die like 10,000 years ago, don't mean, like disintegrated and all that? But the main thing about it was they were explaining that the pyramids were made so that if there's an earthquake, it sways with the earthquake. You can't blow them buildings.

Them buildings won't fall. They've survived everything. And I've seen they had AC. You know how it is? in fucking Egypt? The pharaohs and on that AC, they figured out how to make AC all these years ago

with the water system and all that. These guys were brilliant. I'm not lying. Google, oh. My God, he threw a flag on the plate. How still, my AC don't work sometimes. I don't have AC all the way. It has ventilation.

They had air shafts. You know what I'm talking about. Talk to them, educator. It's keeping it shaded. Keeping it shade. How many things are at temples connected to stark, the constellations. He explained it the right way. Yeah.

You made a scene like they got situated like we got. They just plug that shit in, Jada. It's 12. It's 140 degrees outside. Yeah. And there's a way for you to make it cool. They got that adapter. The point is there's been extra extraordinary intelligence.

with Africans, African-Americans, that they don't teach him. So you're a school teacher in Philly. Yeah. And you're teaching the kids that. Absolutely. And with evidence. Every chance you get.

I mean, I'm teaching. I'm showing them, you know, figures in African history, including Kemet, black as they are, with corn roads that are the leading irrigators, astronomers, architects, city planners, physicians, surgeons, all these things, well before Europe came out of the dark. archages and you just watch your students just like I did when my dad was teaching this to me

posture change lifting up like asking questions now involved like it includes me it's the only element of school that includes you and it's telling you that you already been here you already had you didn't come from the mud you ain't come from slavery at it at the beginning of nothing that's the end of something um and uh our confidence and it's not just for us we you think you know if white kids and everybody else also had to learn that we invented you can't walk through this country without touching 10 things that an African invented invent that affects you. Why don't we mention

something that come to mind just so for the kids that's watching right now? Elevator, refrigeration, early cell phone technology, what did you say? You said traffic lighter. Lewis Ladimer and the lightball, the actual work with Edison, went and lit, with high as to go light all in London.

They don't know that. That's right. That's right. Charles Drew. Joe. Slaterman, poor. Shot out of P.R.S. Charles Drew didn't lie for medicine What I'm saying to you is And I was thinking the other day I said man you know

Tupac and Biggie Were young kids Yeah Right And And 26 and what 25 Yeah but whatever came to their mind

Like Tupac Was talking about real shit That happens right now And big too And so Back in that day Right Because I was trying to think

Like Other than this family being Black Panthers and stuff like that. I was like trying to think of him and Biggie. They was talking about issues that was happening at the time. And then I thought about it. I said, well, you know, we was coming right off of Keras Juan, Public Enemy, Queen Latifah. Poor righteousness.

That whole, poor righteousness. All that conscious movement. So they were more like the lyricists, but they were including consciousness in the music. I see a lack of that unless I don't know. with the youth today. Yeah. Like I see a lack of that, you know, at least we caught that in our era,

you know, talking about like, where he made a song like, why, but why comes from, you know, he's of that era. People in front of them. And so it's very important that we teach our history. Why do you think that, do you think we can get that level of musicality back,

that level of songwriting, where it's about just love and real shit in our community, from that entire era. I would say we'll have to go the way you went about teaching your class. Like when we're amongst each other and you make it sound interesting, interesting, and they want to learn, then the posture change. Yeah.

Then the music would change. Right. So leading by example, maybe a couple OGs need to do something just to see that it is cool, that there is something. But I also believe that's in our culture, that's how you start to spread. somebody's got to lean. Yeah. What I believe is cool.

I don't want to be in the answer. You can't be about money, okay? Because the way hip-hop is fucked up is it just, it went from an art form that was created by poor people in the Bronx. Don't, hey, I'm from the Bronx. Maybe we invented this shit. We want to have these couches in this motherfucker

without the Bronx. It wasn't for the Bronx. This crap shit. Don't do that. But he knows I try to pluck it every time. But the truth is, it came from an art form where these people, unfortunately, our pioneers who started this, they never got their money or they just do. No. Because they did it out of love.

And if they would do it 10 times again, 100 times again, they were going there and party for free again. And so this conscious movement of this time right now can be currency based because now people is all thinking about let me get one hit. and I'm going to make my money it's a bag as a lick they're not preserving the culture they're not so much about teaching the youth or whatever so it got to be a group of people

a group of people a collective decision to like we're going to be this example and you can make money you know what you're making good music but you don't music makes good music

but you got to be inventive and create a national ball yeah to fund that it might be our job or find it and lift it up avamon We're going to donate.

We make a lot of money. Yeah. Let's donate some money towards those guys who's trying to give the positive message and ain't making no money. He's not even about the money. Like you said, you have to show them firsthand. That is cool.

And then in it, start the question. Well, I think what about it? It also, we have to remember and make it anti-blackness. It's got to be uncool. It's like how many niggas you can destroy, us just killing each other and eviscerating each other. And I think it was a young,

Brilliant brother, you know Vince Staples. He said in an interview, it was good to hear from a young artist's mouth. Like, the MCs used to rap about having a sling crack, right? Having to be alchemist and create something out of nothing, having a push dope. And now it's the drug users. Now it's the drug addicts making music about being addicted to drugs and using drugs. And that's a shift because we're all listening. We're absorbing it.

Those high school kids are rapping it. We memorize it. You can't memorize your time, stables or the history, but you know the song. They had a kid out of Philly. Yeah, that kid was a relative. All he rapped about was positive. Really positive, beautiful brother. They just gave him two blocks in Philly.

Yeah, and that three blocks. Yeah. You know, but that right there touched me. Because this kid, he was doing that. Yeah, he was. He was one of the few doing the conscious movement. It wasn't enough, though. It wasn't enough behind me.

He was alone. He was the, yeah, he was the under, you know, it's more of the negative. timid than him. He was the outcast men of it. No, it is your boy Kiz. Check it out. We got a Patreon. You can get exclusive clips. You can get early access

to the episodes. A lot of surprises. Bowen and ins prescribed being shit in the game. We've got all things coming from Joe and Jada. You want to be a part of these. You know they're there right now because it's free. He giving you the first one for free.

That is going to be a little difficult. Over there right now, Joe and Jay to Patreon. Let's get it. Wai, Wals, and Houston, you. Your first breakthrough came through New York Act. They showcased. What was that condition, man? That was, you know, I had just started.

Again, I didn't start, I was teaching up, I didn't start really acting until I was in my late 20s. And I got this, I was working at a law firm in New York. And I hit up an old agent, an old commercial agent to see if you could put me on just to try to really act. and I got a small agency and they sent me to this. ABC did a like a diversity showcase and make a little spot

where they'll let non-white actors get a shot. So we do a little, we do a little, you know, like a little, you get to do your thing and you get to do a scene from a play and managers and agents

will come and watch. And I've made a lot of lifelong friends from that showcase. It was like 12 of us. Black actors, black and brown actors that came up. And then ABC would bring you to auditions.

like just just fuck up auditions. I was just doing horrible at auditioning. Pull me aside like, yo, what are you doing? Why are you looking over there? Do this? Because I didn't go to acting school and ever took an acting class.

I never even wanted to be an actor. Like, I didn't have any training. So they were a beautiful place that I could kind of just, you know, like help me make my mistakes there and gave me shots and shots and shots and then eventually years later I got a show on ABC from LA, different office, but still, like, that was,

I really appreciated it. They really gave me a big, I mean, New York gave me, that was where I, you know, yeah, cut my teeth. Yeah. They say, you know, you say there's some roles as thugs and criminals that pay rent. Well, it was funny because my first, that's real. My first, like, seven auditions were, like, robbing white people in, like, New York shows.

And it was me. They were, like, I watched my friends who actually had, like, far less options than that. Obviously, I get all the privileges you could possibly get as a black person. like the way I look, the way they prioritize the way I look, which got nothing to do with me. And I was still like Cornrose, like robbing some white person on a train, like it's posted up outside the spot. Like, and it was like, damn, y'all like, this is the only way in.

My whole life, I have begged them to be a school bus driver. They always make me a gang leader or a fucking mafia, a robber. Like, I've never been a nice guy in the wrong. I wonder if you're the only person that you were asking. You a train conductor and some? Yeah. You know, I was looking at this shit. I think it was the Cardi B episode.

You know, sometimes he's, you know, he's a real clever and witty guy. Sometimes it takes me to look at the video. You had to catch the catch. Figure out the shit what you're doing, right? I know. But you said, okay, this guy's a funny dude. He said they put you on a TV. They made you wrestling mud or some shit.

It made me wrestling in the mud. What is it? On the show, Queen, on Queen. It's another episode to me to catch that. Queen? Yeah, the queen showed that Eve. No, remember the show Queens? Oh, Eve and Brandy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a muscle. They had a wrestling in the mud. The gun fell. I had to wrestle in the mud. It was freezing and raining. Oh, so you were strapping, and it ended up in the mud.

You weren't like in a ring with like jeans shorts on. No, there's a scene that. It was raining outside the crib, but it was mud. All right. So what level? That's a good question. It broke me. What won't you do?

acting because it's acting. But what won't you do? What role would you be like, yo, I'm not... I pass on roles all the time. I mean, but it's not... You got to be fortunate. Could you let them end? I mean, I don't know.

You know, my job is also... My job is to not be me. My job is to embody it in somebody else's life. So I'm open to, you know, doing scary shit that I wouldn't otherwise do. But it's definitely like, you know, that I'm not doing shit that's detrimental to my people. You know what I mean?

Like, that's the shit I don't do. Many times I've had to tell agents or producers Like, that's just racist Not only am I doing it, not doing it, but take it out By the way, he's over here telling me Nothing, yeah, no. Pleas and gentlemen at home watching this, he's telling me let the man talk

I'm trying to conduct the real interview Why he only, let him talk now. Why, you got something in mind? No, because I love this. I want to say it's Ethan Hawke, right? He's a great actor. I love them. Well, he played a predator, a child predator one time

and I never liked them again. I see what you mean. Exactly. I see what you mean. Yeah, but it bothered me. Yeah. Oh, like, I mean he did good. But that means he did a great job.

That's, so there is a, there is sometimes playing like dirty motherfuckers. Like playing some people that, especially as like a parent, like something that looks like real evil. But in doing that. How does it be like the guy who played all with Tina Ternie smacking an I-I-I-I-I- How could you ever like him? If you get mad at him, that means he- That means it was effective. And also by portraying that person, you're bringing

light to what it looked like so that you can have more like attentiveness to that character in your life. Like it actually could be like a warning. Who's the guy? Who's the guy played in training day? That was even Hawkins.

He fucked me up. He did a movie. Yeah. I did the next thing. I never liked him again. Yeah. To this day when I see him he pops up. I'm like, y'all, I don't know.

Like I don't fuck with this guy. But you giving me a good perspective. You're saying he actually nailed the part. Yeah. He did an amazing, such an amazing. amazing job, they made it real for you. And it's like, it's like who we just lost. You didn't know that.

You got, you got, that's a man. You got some credit. You got some credit. There's out there and talked to Rizzards for the whole Frank Lucas, right? So then when they went to the screen, and he's like, you didn't speak to me for months. He told him, nigga, he was police. I was Frank Lucas. I couldn't talk.

Yeah. So he's staying character to the whole movie's over. Yeah. Let me ask this one question, right? Because I actually. did some research with you. Right? Don't do that.

But, no, no, I just wondering. I want to make sure the man. But in researching you, I researched some motherfucking African-American history. Okay. This woman is Shonda Rhimes. Yeah.

Tell me about Shonda Rines. She's a G. I mean, she got... Gray's Anatomy. Yeah. Scandal. She created huge shows. She's still creating huge shows.

She's a... She's a... No, no. In the order. That's all right. That's all good. Because I just want to keep it chronological. He was the teacher.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. He did the small rows. He did the small rows. This thing. Then you're ready to run this morning. Oh, you know, this guy.

After the small rows, you know, they allowed them to mess up. But one of them is say about the woman. And he landed grits. Didn't he can tell us about it. Yep. I landed that as soon as I came to me. I moved from Brooklyn to L.A.

And got that gig. That was supposed to be like two episodes. I ended up doing 10 years on that show. Wow. And to have such an intelligent person as the creator, somebody that you can look up to and talk to. And she looked out for me too. You know, when I gave that BET speech,

everybody was trying to take my job, signed petitions, and all this bullshit crying. How is it? Crap. My life, threaten my kids. Like, I'd have 24-hour, like, arm guard. and shit. They were threatening to kill me and all this stuff. And they were trying to get her to fire me.

And she was, she, like, posted like, hell no, that's not happening. Like, having a black boss is very valuable in moments like that. But more importantly, like, yeah, a wise, smart person with some vision. But she's incredible. And she created a show that's incredible. It's still on 20-some years. But I think, like, 30, 39% of women in medical school credit raise anatomy with inspiring them to...

She's got to be in the textbook. book now in high school. And speaking of which, putting black people in high ranking in roles without it being about race. Like just putting, maybe these, Isaiah Washington, Jim Pickens, you know, the character of Bailey, Shandra Wilson that are like in powerful positions, highly intelligence, cerebral people, that it's not about them neck jive and demonstrating some bullshit like, some stereotype version of, like. Comedy show is huge for that.

The error was great, that the error on TV, but then you came in a little more serious error. Yeah, that was a drama, and that was a comedy. Yeah. You need them both. I mean, we need everything. That's the thing. We need them.

We need everything. I mean, there's a lot of pressure. I remember pressure back in the UPN days, WB. Those networks, it was just comedies, comedies, comedies, and they got a lot of shit for Coonin and all that. And it was like, but that was the only place black people who work. Yeah. And they're comedians.

That's what they're doing. It's not. But when you only, when white folks got 170 channels that they can do everything and they can shoot up a school or bomb something and it doesn't affect their day in terms of, but we like one little channel can stereotype your whole people so it's a different

level of pressure. You know, let's, can I ask the man a question? So he asked more questions than I know. Somehow he became the librarian the day or stuff. This is keeping it in order, you got to have skip, skip, skip, skip. Order on a set. Come on, skip. I'm about get the

get the fuck out of here with all these smart questions you got today. I do. Oh, my God. Don't shoot fat show up. I mean, God. Don't shoot me up. Okay, I'm ready.

These flags were created for me. It's a brilliant idea. Because every time I go crazy, they throw a flag at me. They're like, yo, come back to Earth. What you got? I don't know. I just forgot what I was about to fucking say. Do you want to take my smart board?

No, no. My thing is, I was there when you gave the speech a B2. You were. Yes, I was in the audience. And pause, you blew my mind. And I was just like, I didn't know you. It's so funny people still say pause. Yeah.

That's therefore, these guys, they're the poorest police. So if I step on shit, like, you know, there's some episodes like, pause, pause, pause, this guy hides under the table because, like, you know, I'll say some shit, right? Like, I'm a fuck up. But listen, you out there. you giving this speech, I just realized, because you know, we're not in your life. You've got to live your life every day.

He lives his life. I live my life. But I realize in the level of acting you're in, it's not like you're making TV flicks for BET. You're with white people all day, Grazing anatomy. So for you to come on the front line and make this beautiful speech,

activism, that takes even more courage for you. you because I'm not siloed away from the power that I actually You actually stood up for your people and then you went back to work on Monday By then people in my life knew what it was you know what I mean like that's how I was At that at that time I was on the news a lot I was in Ferguson I was in Florida I was We were losing a lot of a lot of young brothers and sisters like to at the hands of the police So I was on the news a lot popping that shit so like it wasn't a total surprise people who knew me The larger world who maybe only saw me play a

a character that was what kind of shook them up. But that's all the more reason why I care so much is because, you know, I'm in many ways being biracial, I'm in the invisible man. I see, I know, and you know what else it is? It's like being

around white society and the way it works and I have been at pivotal points in my life. It's a real simple thing. I'm not scared of white people. And so many of us are terrified of white folks. At the real core of it. Because it's a, it's a scary, powerful hammer that can flatten you and make you disappear in two seconds and then

blame you. We see it happen all day every day. I got some friends that are white. I got some friends that are Jewish that I love to death. I got friends that are Muslims I love to death. I'm all about the principle. I'm all about if you're good for me and I love you. I love you no matter what color, no matter what.

As a shiver. I'm not going to stand in and tell you I'm scared of some guy because he's white or he's this, he's that. That's not me. Like, I'm not running for that. I don't care. I'll go back to four chicken wings and french fries. I don't give a fuck.

It's sad to feel that way, but that's who I am. I don't give a fuck. Like me, you can't scare me with position. You can't scare me with money. You can't scare me with none of that shit. Like me, I'm just like, yo, it is what it is. Like, I grew up so fucking poor. I'm not scared of being poor guys.

You already been there. I know. A lot of people don't understand that. We already been there. So you're half white. You grew up half white. look at this. You don't want to be poor right now.

No, why don't? I'm going to actually say this is the first time you threw that flag and you are all right. I know, that's what I do too. That was a good flag. I drove there,

I just telling everybody. I was like, yo, we're so fucking blessed, man. Yeah. What happened? Yeah, really pissed him off with that. You pissed Rich off saying that. No, I don't want to be poor.

No, I don't know that. I just said that. He's the last person in the world that wants to be poor. But it's not a mystery. You've been there. You know what it's like. So it can't scare you.

It doesn't threaten you in that way as some like some terror, some monster that you haven't actually seen before. I feel you. I feel you. But I take your point. You know what I was saying. It's like there's a large, there's a fear because you were talking about a fear and like a bravery.

And I said, I didn't think about it that way because I was so familiar already and made myself clear. I started acting. I was a grown ass man. I had many jobs from here, from Chicago, from Philly everywhere else. I just happened to have a mic now.

So I didn't, I just didn't change who I was because you put a camera on me. I wasn't running from nothing or changing anything. And I think that just surprised folks. And it's also just how I grew up. I grew up in this. Acting came later. So I think that was just an unorthodox way in which to make your way onto a free of each.

I actually love your family tree or however we tracked. Yeah. From L.A. to Massachusetts to Philly. Yeah. I mean, you journey was fired. You was in that shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

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I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

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He could take anybody's new show, man. He got a new fucking show. He got the new show. He's going to tell us about. This guy's a fuck a trophy. You're over here talking about taking people's wives. We over here promoting the new show, man. These girls over here, I've never seen.

before out here, man. The fuck of you told my miss over there. Look, she ain't never been out here, man. She don't even work here. They don't even work here. They snuck in the fucking building. The glasses is chipped. Oh, we got that frosted glasses.

You want to actually celebrate this guy's beauty? Look at the glasses. Don't Danny. Danny, you're terrible. We did many a toast. They never gave chilled one. They gave the chilled glasses for Jeff. Oh, only the best.

Only the best. Joe said he don't want to be broke no more, so you got to act like it. No, I definitely don't want to be broke. We only do Ace of Spade Toast for major events and major things, so, you know what I mean? We're going to pour them first, and then we're going to let y'all know what's going on. Why are we doing this toast? There you go. That's the, you know, teamwork, make the dream work.

Water and fire and make the steam work. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I forgot he's a rapper, huh? Top five dinner alive. Yeah. Toaster Joe and Jada. Joe and Jada and also the other new show host Hotel Coast

Tierra. There we go. Hotel Costa Rica. Hey. Don't talk about that Jada's Italian. Never got that Jada's Italian, man. Hotel Costa Jada. We might need, we might need Joe's season two.

You need me on season two, baby. Cheers. Tell us about this whole show Costa Jada. Very important. So, Hotel Costa Jada. You know, speaking to all this. All this shit we talk about. A lot of my life is real serious.

I always got social justice and a lot of things going on. I wanted to make something light. I wanted to get out the country. It's a big world out there. We get trapped in this bubble thinking it's a big, this is a big, big, beautiful world out there. I wanted to go make something somewhere else and make something light and easy.

So much of my shit is, you know, dead serious, focus, urgent, important, and that's valuable. But I wanted to make something that's kind of like, growing up as a kid, they're like action movies, right? Running around, kicking some ass. Beautiful places. 80s, 90s shows.

So it's about this guy. Daniel DeLuca is a former Marine, Italian, born Italian, but grew up in the U.S., black, white, Italian, American, a street, a hood kid in Naples as a kid, but then now he's in the military of 20 years. Fire. And he got kicked out.

And now he's just trying to, like, figure out what to do with his life. Don't have no family, don't have nothing. Goes back to where he was born and just kind of like, as they say, like licking his wound, just trying to figure out what to do next, takes a job at a luxury hotel, just handling business fixing shit for people, rich people, make sure people are good.

And then the hotel owner's daughter goes missing. So he's hired to find her. So he's like solving cases and this beautiful, a Malfi Coast. And he speaks Italian. I speak Italian in the show. I'm the only American in the show. We got Italian, Spanish, English, French, Libyan,

like, you know, a whole cast of characters. And he's just on this adventure, trying to save the missing girl, but also solve cases for guests. And it's just easy, beautiful, whip and speed, motorcycles, Azarotti's, you know what I mean?

Just like, you have a cool job. I look at the trailer. The trillers like change bond with the transporter with MacGyver with some other fly shit,

Magnum Pia's fucking fired, boy. His job. I don't know about him, but I'll say the truth. I'll say my truth. I don't know about him. Uh-huh.

But I have taken the fact that we travel for granted. Where? Um, because I don't like flying. and boy we got to talk about that right now about going to Mongolia

so I don't like flying my biggest fee on earth I just told you I ain't scared of nobody I'm fucking terrified the minute that shit go like this I'm like hugging the next person praying no one gives more prayers than me on a plane

than anybody I am TD Jakes on the plane So you take a sleeping pill and just pass out? I don't I don't because I don't use drugs either so I just stuck it out God thank you for facing me my fear.

Yeah. God, I love you. God, look at this little baby, please. Crying on, Red Eye. If you're, if, you know, I'm Jesus Christ, but then let's obey the Jewish guy praying over there. Like, I want for everybody to get there safe, right? My thing is, I'm preaching.

I'm Joe Loh's thing on the bed. Yeah. Yeah. It's over, right? Yeah. But my point is, I went to jail for four months, right? and I complained about going to Europe, I complained about going to all these places,

but when I would sit up in my bunk and look out the little window, I would just think about how beautiful the streets was in Italy or the streets in Germany. And one of the only things I really missed was being abroad in these places that I used to be like, fucking shit, I hate it,

they smoked too many cigarettes. I used to have nothing but complaints. Yeah. But in that four months, I just would think about just walking down the street in Italy or Rome or something and be like, damn, that shit was so fly. Yeah.

And so you get to do a TV show over there and pretty cool, and the food was amazing. Food was amazing. Food was not only amazing, but like, I was eating pasta and bread and all that shit all day, every day, lost 13 pounds. Yeah? Because it's real food.

Real, yeah. All that shit is humped with all this and rich bullshit. And so many of them said, that when they come to America, they get sick, they get fat. Even if they're trying to eat well, when we go there, you eat like crazy, and you're fine. So, Jess, I wore glasses on purpose because I didn't want you to feel bad about being the only person with green eyes, too. Because I got them, you got to go out there. Joey Green eyes.

Joey Green eyes picked your one. Come on, man. You know, this shit coming for more. Yo, what? No. What, man. I got a hit. Shameless plug, baby.

Yeah, I got the green. I got the green. My son be like, yo, damn, dad, why you ain't give me the green eyes? I said, yo, it wasn't my choice. My point, we got to go back to the, to the, I just came back for Mongolia. Yeah, talk about it. And Mongolia. Why were you in Mongolia?

Beautiful people. I had a concert. Of hip hop. Dope. These people were incredible people. Yeah. Anybody who could have the distance on a plane. It's worth it.

Go to Mongolia. Beautiful, beautiful people. shout Mongolian people. They love hip-hop. They love you guys. They asked about you. You know, everybody thinks I've got this guy

in the hip now. Yeah. Joe and Jay. Of course. They think I bring the guy in my backpack. Business. You might hire fat Joe.

They think I got him in the back. Send me back over there. Right? But the point is, I have one friend that I think of. He's dumb.

Right? No, no, no, no. He's one of my best friends. No, no, no, no. Don't know. Don't get more. Throw the flag. Throw the flag.

You got a hold of it, Joe. Come on. He's, we didn't know where you were going on back. No, no, no. You know what I'm talking about. Just the most loyal, most best guy in the world, but he's not that bright. Got it. And then at sometimes I'm jealous of him because ignorance is bliss.

Sometimes when you dumb, you don't even know the danger. Yeah. Now, I fly to Mongolia where you got to go. I went because I like breaking up. up the trips. Okay. So I go to Dubai, chill one day.

You like to get as many flights in as possible because you love flying so much. Break that shit, that 18 hours I ain't doing. So I go to Dubai, 13 hours. Okay. Five hours to Turkey.

Okay. Where everybody got their hair, oh, shit going on. Everybody in the whole, listen, Turkey got the best airport in the world. But it's so weird when you're at the food court. Yeah. And every guy got like a line.

Same scar, the same line. Blug coming out. Everybody's going over there to fix their hair. That's the spot. Yes. But it's like so normal. Yeah. I guess it's like going to Columbia girl, you know, every girl's in the airport.

Bebe yel out. Yeah. Like in Turkey, all the guys are going to get their head done over there. So you're eating fucking Popeyes and the guys in front of you got the fucking everybody walking through. I'm like, yo, this shit is crazy. Yeah. But, um. You didn't think about it while you were there.

You're like, fucking I'm already here. If I had an air right now, first of all, my name wouldn't be fat Joe. my name would be Huddolfo. And my shodhury like this. I had this. The part right here with the, if I could grow air, it'd be so disrespectful.

It'd be disrespectful. Now, I ain't going to do for the air. Fat Joe, he don't even look right if you get here. But the point is, I go to Dubai. The bag was legend. So, nah, the bag was legend, guys. We're going shopping later. The wife is ready.

He's going to shopping. She's tuned in. She's staring at the window. He's coming. He got the bag. Right. There ain't no lot. I forgot my brothers just told me.

Yeah, they hate, they say I blow too much money. But listen, I go Emirates, my favorite airline. Yeah. Right. Then I got Turkey Airlines. So Turkey Airlines is one of the best airlines. That's a nice airline. Food was amazing.

So I'm comfortable. No matter where I'm going. I'm going Mongolia. I could go to Somali. Wherever I go, if I'm in them credible airlines, it at least helps after that. Absolutely. Absolutely.

We do Mongolia. They feed us. By the way, Mongolian beef is a myth. They don't have that over there. The Mongolian beef we eat in the Chinese place here. We went over,

it's not even Mongolian. It's like General-Siles chicken. It's like, they don't have that. Pizza being fake, you get to Italy to realize they don't got pizza. We landed,

everybody had the same idea. Yo, we want Mongolian beef. They was like, yo, that shit ain't, that thing don't happen here. It ain't us. You want a rib? That ain't us.

You want a New York. No Mongolian beef, guys. When you go to the ghetto Chinese worldwide, there's no such thing as Mongolian beef. That's what I learned. Number two is, so we go all we do to show these people treat me like a million dollars. I don't know how to tell you,

Mongolian people, some of the nicest people in the world. The next morning we go to the airport, we got the greet up, we in the lounge, and then I realize, I'm like, and they're like, yo, Joe, what's wrong? And my face is off. You could read me when I was saying.

They're like, I realize we're flying. back to Dubai and Mongolian airlines. Uh-huh, which you had never heard of. And if you're watching that side of the world, it's the Asian planes that keep sinking in the middle and missing the shit. This is why I tell you, ignorance is a split. This is where the racial profiling comes to. Yeah, not a plane racing plane.

It's some Asian planes going down out there, like the biggest shits. They go there. I don't know what it is. But at that point, I'm like, damn, they fuck me, man. I thought I was going back Turkish, yeah? Yeah. You know what I mean? Emerson.

I'm in the Asian shit. I said, yo, everybody's like, yo, what's wrong? I'm just like, nah, nah, y'all don't want to know what's wrong. They're like, yo, but what's wrong? I said, you know, these the shits to go down. These shits right here.

Yo, but listen. No, I'm just saying to us. So I get on the plane. Thank God. Great food, smooth flight. But I was terrified. Mongolian beef. That's why I like to be ignorant.

Ignorance is bliss Because I know You're by to say Nick niggerance is bliss Nah, nah Niggerus is bling I mean Nicarous is bling

Hey if you're gonna be ignorant Might as well be Wiggins Yeah That's the heck single day That's pretty crazy Y'all Yeah

That's fucking crazy But the point is We made it back Yeah But you know It's my biggest fear Man But you know

Shout out to Mongolia man These people were phenomenal, bro. No, I'm telling you. It's 30 degrees out there. I thought that plane was going down, but we made it. You know, it's the coldest, it's the coldest place in the world.

It's in between Russia or China. So when you see the Asians, they've got the fur hats on. Yeah, that's Siberian shit. That's their winters. It's 50 degrees under. Yeah. So, you know, yeah, brother, I'm sorry about that.

We listen. We're short on time. Listen, my brother. What advice would you give a young biracial, American trying to find their place and their voice. Depends on what voice you want to find. Spend time with black folks.

No doubt. The greatest answer to you. You know, just you can't go wrong. Just get with your people. I've seen this, and I don't want to talk like that. These are my friends, and I love them at death, and I'm not talking about nobody. But when the Black Lives Matter, I've got a niece.

I'll call her niece. And she's half black, half white. and I've seen her going through like understanding where she comes from and they had a hard time like you know what I mean? This girl's beyond love

but she was trying to find herself in the middle of life where she fits and this is a beautiful girl she's smart college now everything but I seen her go through it like questioning and like I think people fall for like the false dichotomy

it ain't us versus them it's not everything I the news used to be the news now it's just idiot it's talking and sharing opinions they feel. I'm trying to make it us first them. Bad versus good. White versus black. Ain't about all that. People

trying to demonstrate that they might matter. It's because they love themselves and are trying to say maybe don't squash me for no reason. Like that got nothing to do with disliking white people. It's got nothing to do with it. It's not about this kind of invented

battle going. It's not like we just spreading love, loving yourself enough to demand respect. There's no people in history of the world that ever gotten respected, don't respect themselves, and don't demonstrate it. Like, that's, that's what it comes down to. Everybody struggles with identity. I don't care what race you are. You're 13, 15. You're trying to figure out who you are. You want to listen to that new album. You want to be different, but you also want to be the same.

You don't want to be isolated out, but you want to isolate yourself out and wear that cool thing and wear that cool shirt. People are trying to find themselves. Adult are trying to find themselves. I mean, we don't know what we're doing. We're trying to figure it out. So just don't let, I would just say to her, I would just not let the media try to convince you that just because somebody, you know, freedom ain't pie. If I get a piece, I'm taking a piece from you.

It's not something locked in, just giving other people access to the freedom, life, liberty that this country is so proud of. Doesn't mean they're taking something from you. Letting gay folks have rights don't mean it's taken Europe. Go ahead, get married, be? Like, that got none to do it. It's got none to do with you. Nobody's taking anything from you. There's always

the people in power always exaggerate and pretend to play victim. And if you need somebody to be quiet and shut the fuck up in order for you to do what you're doing, then you're probably doing something foul. With that being said, Hostel Costaera.

That's what I'm saying? That was pretty damn good. Hotel Costa Rica. I'm prime today. We don't got that much time. But I got two minutes. He could put us to it. What you got?

I got the Cosby show of Good Times. I mean, my era, I grew up on a Cosby show. The Cobes is one of the greatest sitcoms ever. What? No. You take Cosby? You take Cosby. I didn't.

I've seen every episode. I take good times. That was your era. Sherman Alamstead. Was In your living room? Sherman Hansley's off. George Jefferson is the Jefferson. Oh, George.

Yeah, yeah, no, no, Joe. No, Joe. No, Joe. No. That's moving on up to the east side. I'm going to say Sanford and son or the Wayans brothers. Sanford of Son.

Yo, that boy was the best. That's Red Fox. Yeah, that's right. I know it. That's rare Fox. Sherman Houndley. Sherman. He's never getting too tight.

I'm still trying to be Sherman Hounds. Sherman Amlesley was a G. You see how he walks. He's cutting it up. That's walking you that James Brown. Yeah. Walk in my house and walking my shit. Yeah.

That you're up. Yo, you better stop fucking with my, I want a baggie shit today. I like on that leg, Sherman. Yo, that's the Sherman. Yeah. That stanky leg, I had, Joe. Oh, not you too. Different strokes.

Fresh prints. I mean, again, you get me with a generational show. I didn't watch different strokes. I'm not that old. It was on. It was on. It was on. But I wasn't like, it wasn't like, I wasn't 13 years old.

Like, like, what did you say? What was the other one? Fresh Prince was my adolescence. Like that was, I could see it eye to eye. Different stroke I got to catch reruns. You know what I mean? Yeah. What you want to say, brother?

Because you've been running this. Because you know, I've been looking for you. I've been looking for you. I've been looking for you. Facts of life. Hold on. I've been looking for you. What's that?

Rewind the 10. What's that? When you fight the time, yeah, while you can rewind the time. I want to put you on a box. I own this company. Rewind the 10. Travis, Kelsey, DJ Katz. You ain't win no bumps.

Nikki Jam, Tyson, Beckford. It's legend, yeah. Who do I got to talk to? What does this do is it's like this pain in your skin for us? Okay. I like that. You have my curiosity. Now you got my attention.

You know what I'm saying? Because I see you leave a couple of whites over there. Yo, Jada, hold up. I got a lot of whites. I ain't get a... It's a half white. It's a half white part right here. Why look at 43 when you could be 32?

Let me. Why look 32 when you could be 22? Why fight the time, why you can rewind the time? I'm going to do some research. I'm going to do some research. It's a strong pitch. It's a very strong pitch. We're killing them CVS, Sally.

Okay. Stop and shot. Now, yo, Jada, I need them on the box. Jada want to be on the box. Okay. So he's trying to push you up. Uh-huh. He needs to be on the box.

He needs to be on the box. Yo, this ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss. I guess Jesse Williams, Hotel Costiera on Prime. Check it out. Make some noise.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we invented a podcast. We didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman helped make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app,

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