The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe and Jada - Lil Cease on The Notorious B.I.G. legacy, Junior M.A.F.I.A. & Tupac-Biggie beef

Episode Date: September 20, 2025

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Lil Cease. Joe and Jada talk to the Junior M.A.F.I.A. rapper about being mentored by The Notorious B.I.G., the East Coast vs. West Coast beef with Tupac and Biggie, missing out on meeting Michael Jackson, and the bond shared between himself, Biggie, and Lil’ Kim. The three New Yorkers reminisce on the 1990s hip hop era, talk about Biggie’s brief but legendary run at the top of the rap game, and Joe shares stories about rappers running from sharing a cypher with Big Pun, Biggie’s relationship with Jay-Z, KRS-One saving Joe’s life by taking him on tour, and the influence Heavy D had on him. 3:00 - New Mobb Deep & posthumous recordings 8:00 - Biggie writing for Lil Cease 10:00 - Story behind "Lil Cease crippled me" lyric 13:30 - What Cardi B has in common with Biggie 17:30 - Jada thought Lil Cease was way older than him 29:30 - Fat Joe witnessed Biggie record "Hypnotize" 34:15 - "Juicy" & how Biggie paved the lane for rappers 39:00 - Rappers were SCARED to rap with Big Pun 41:00 - RIP Voletta Wallace 44:15 - Biggie loved Los Angeles 46:00 - Imagine a Biggie x Big Pun song 54:00 - Cease missed out on meeting Michael Jackson 59:00 - Lil Cease's first sessions 1:01:00 - Biggie told Joe about Jay-Z 1:02:30 - Heavy D's influence 1:04:00 - Tupac & Biggie will live forever 1:05:30 - How KRS-One saved Joe's life 1:07:00 - Why Joe and Jada keep working 1:09:00 - Joe's toured ALL of Africa [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by hardrock.bet Unforgettable stays in Miami Beach start at Fontainebleau, where elegant guest rooms and suites offer refined comfort, breathtaking views, and world-class service. BOOK NOW: https://www.fontainebleau.com/miamibeach/special-offers/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He would be smoking everything. Yo, yo, what up? This is Fat Joe, the gangster. Boy, Jada Kiss, you know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. Live from the Fallin Blue. Found Blue, what's up? Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise. For my brother

From another mother Same name Facts Caesar Lee, your little C Shats Thank y'all, thank y'all, man Thank y'all for having one of the best shows In America right now, you know what I'm saying?

To salute to y'all, man Yo, Seas, you're a legend, man You're a fucking living legend on that couch right there Thank you. Hear that from you, hear that from you Man, that's love for me No, that's a fact, though. And we go so bad.

You know, if y'all don't know, we were just shooting a podcast, and C's came to hang out with us, and we forced them to the couch. I said, fuck that. Let's get C's in the East too legendary. We got to get them up in the end. But we was just listening to New Mar Dee, right? And Prodigy sounds so good on there. I literally, I literally, I don't work hard enough to do this,

but I literally thought of making the out. in case if I died. No doubt. And just say, you know, 10 years after I died, put in my will, New Fat Joe album. And they could do

whoever wanted to do the beats to the shit, this, this, that. And imagine the fresh after you die, 10 years later, New Fat Joe talking shit on there. No doubt. You know how that shit?

I mean, look, we're listening to a new Mardee. They got an album coming out with Prodigy, got man, new verses. And it sounds great, too. It sounds good, too. Like, you know,

it don't sound like nothing changed. You don't sound like nothing transnational. But I mean these songs you got like that. I'm sure you got verses. You probably never put out. That you got to send me the off. For them to release after you die. That's sweat.

Your family going to get the money. About when you die, I didn't make it. That's how I look at it. You know what I mean? Like, I wish Bia I did more of that. You know what I'm saying? But Bia, I was too much writing songs for other shit. He was writing the junior mafia songs.

Kim songs playing puff songs he was you know so he did a lot of albums at one ex fan you know like that like you so you wish you had

nor that crazy to me I'd be hearing a lot of like Foxy Brown is the best yo Foxy Brown's first feature was

I shot you with LL me Keith Mary and I remember Papa keeping them I already knew this girl was crazy no doubt

but rumor has it all of her verses either J-wrote or Nas wrote. So this is like, is it true or not? I mean, I'm not. Let me say it like this, right? Each is on bottom of a drone, man. No, I'm not saying like I'm tapping.

When did you even go? What is? Because every time I hear Foxy Brown, of course, that's the cadence and everything. I'm not saying nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that when y'all bring these up When the nigga

Capp or slavery You had thrown it already I'm gonna call it Throw that out You don't throw it out I wasn't here Because what did he When is this

How did we get here? No I'm not doing that I'm not really not You're getting it already I'm just a guess I don't think this is wrong I don't think I'm saying nothing wrong In 2020

I think you're saying nothing right here I think he should have left out of the law. So let's leave it alone. She said, your big rope for Junior Mafia, big wrote for Little Kim, and- This went all the way to Park Slope

and got impressed on Foxy. I'm never picking on Foxy. I'm not doing that. Also, Foxy says she wrote our own shit. She's saying, We didn't, please, what's dog? We don't know what she said. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. No, I'm not trying to start. Listen, let me just say for me, right? Stay out of it, me. Stay out of it. Can I say something? Can I say something?

Can I say something? You got the right to remain son. Okay. Anything you say on the podcast, kids and will be held against you. So I'm fucked. You're saying, you got the right thing.

You're saying that. Yes. If you can't afford that time. You know, let's see, bro, I hate to that Joe now. Okay. Where's my flag? You're not going to say that. In case he didn't.

You just put it, you just do the alley you. No, I didn't think, I don't think there's nothing wrong with if, you know, you think what I'm saying is blasphemy. I think what I'm saying ain't nothing wrong. I don't know if it's true or not. That's what I always heard. If somebody sat up and said somebody wrote all of you. two people wrote

F all of your verses you'll be ready to fucking kill there ain't regular people it's J-Z and Knox it's still okay sorry Fancy Brown you write your own shit I didn't know that

for years I'm in the evening I ain't gonna throw it yet I'm gonna throw it up okay I'm gonna keep it right here yeah yeah in the study we're there though as an artist for me I had songs written

that Biggie wrote for me but after Bigger passed I started to write my own around. That's what I'm saying. So sometimes a history like that can change. You can start out as somebody kind of introducing you or bringing you into something and once you figure it out, you could kind of take your own lane.

But that's how I was brought up into it. I was a situation. I was an opportunity of business deal. You know, Big say, hey, listen, you rock it with me, little bro. You know what? I'm going to do something even better for you. I'm going to make sure you get right and I'm going to write you some songs now. Instead of you

hype manning for me now, now here you go and then from near I expected him to pass at that time and for things to happen but I had to you know let me figure it out from here now

and I'd be very generous no doubt super she's shining that light on the universe ain't even the word you hear no fucking songs they guys you know said like now damn ma I used to say like the law

sesame millia let me fail you the ultimate rush drugs baby But she got, not to say none, outside of that, Kim came in as a writer before that. But you know, when you got a team of people, everybody just kind of worked together. That's how I came up into it, you know, going up around that bad boy error, you know, it's writers. You got called, you got faith.

You got all these different people in there. Lots, since, mate, since people in there, it's just energy going around. I've seen you super tight with faith for the last couple of years. You was always tight with her like that. It just wasn't no Instagram, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now we're sealed on Instagram. Ain't nothing changed.

It's been like that. Shout out the fake. Like, no, that's the thing. It's just for real, like in real life. Like, you know, shout. I can't call her underrated because she's a superstar. Superstar, but her vocals are still underrated. No doubt.

Like, I went to Kim Porter's funeral, and Faith sung in there. And I would just, She said, like Ray Kwan wasn't. We were just all there, Ray Kwan wasn't. Yeah, but see there, her songs. In the funeral, she just was singing, like, like gospel or whatever.

And I was just like, oh, my God. I always knew she was incredible. But that day, you know, I was brought to a different emotion by her. So we got Little Seas, Little Seas crippled me. Why would Biggie say that? He crippled him. You know what's the problem with this guy? He don't realize we're telling the story

The millions of people out there Because he knows the story He thinks everybody know the story Yeah I don't know the story You know a lot of shit though I do know the story But I want you to tell the people

Why don't know shit shit I don't know shit Why would he say that Why did that? Why did that? Yeah, no wrong He crashed You was driving

Yeah You was A little C-shirt Stripled me. Seiz was you high? Nah. So was a judge. Black ice?

We had a fucked up car. Black ice is interesting. Nah, it wasn't either. That wasn't in the Lex Lane? No. The Lex Land had got fucked up the day before that. We got arrested the day before that. Somebody don't know.

Because you hit somebody with a bat, right? Y'all hit some, big got locked up for hitting somebody with a bat. That wasn't that incident. Oh, right. We was in the back of Brooklyn, me, him and Moniel. You know what I'm saying? and we were smoking,

and just so happened, police just happened to pull up around there, and we put the weed out as soon as they, like, full up, you know what I'm saying? So they can't... They locked you up for weed. Yeah, just a blunt. This is...

We're talking about, like, a long-comago type of shit. Not now. Yeah, when they locked you up on blunt. They took us to the precinct, really just put us in there, took our name down, whatever, and we came back outside. The Lexus Land wasn't working.

So Unn came and picked us up, took us to the crib, And then we went to get a loaned this car from the Lexus dealer place And they gave us the aluminum van And yeah Aluminavent, rode the Bia. I'm not lying to you. They gave us aluminum van

And I was like, yo Bia, this ain't no Lexus car. And we had a, he's like, yo, chill. We just go a low ride. We're chilling. And I just made one turn because the brakes was all fucked up. That shit was already like rubbing on the rotors and shit. We had a, it was the car

they run around. They gave you the, bullshit car. Yeah, yeah. And he wanted to ride in that. And we rode and I hit a little spin. And and we went across the shit. And we crashed.

Yeah, across the shit on the other side. That north and south here, divided. So north of very dangerous. I was north. And that shit, the car went south. We were on the other side. South. Oh, man, right into a rail, dog. And that was it. He said me as strong as ripple with me. to lose these crippling. Yo, listen.

You know, the one thing I learned from B.I.G. Right. Was people always like to say that if you become successful, you changed. Now we know now enough that we're old enough to know that you got to have growth. You can't be thinking like you thought 20 years ago or 30 years ago.

That's natural growth. But I'm not talking about growth. I'm talking about If you blow off or some of the guys in your hood are looking at you, like you changed, they don't know if you changed. Yeah. Right? You just working whatever.

And I got this famous story. I think you was there. And my second album had came out. And I ain't see BIA in a while because to this day, the closest thing I could call to like Biggie is maybe Cardi B. meaning her success of how she just went fast. Like, wow. That's the thing that was number one, two, and three.

Yeah, that's a fact. No, I'm with him with the army fatigue, and it was like, you're coming show tonight? I went to the show he had fucking gators on and salmon suits with, like, this shit was like, I'm sitting there in the passenger seat, watching this shit. I'm like, yo, this is fucking nuts.

The niggas just shut up, one, two, and three. I never seen the hip-hop Yeah No, yeah, but I never seen that Again, I never seen it And then to maybe Cardi B How she was just on love of hip-hop Next thing you know, she's out of the world

Yeah Out of this world Right, Vogue You see what I'm saying? That's what Biggie did to me I mean, you know, with Biggie He got a fucking army fatigue He said, come and show tonight

Give me the tickets How come to show, nigga got a fur coat Over a salmon ship with gaiters It was like, you know, what's who the What fuck is this? That's how fast it changed, though. Like, for real. Am I not lying?

No, you're not. It's like, I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Oh, we're just kids, man. No, no, I'm happy. Niggas is doing that shit. Like, really, like, you know. Cators, man. Yeah.

I was wearing those shit's at 15 doing that type of shit. Lennon, like, really, I can't say nothing to me. What you're going or everybody? I didn't did it already when I was 14. That's crazy. Like, that's why I could sit back right now and just like, man, I was supposed to sit on my balcony in Miami, sit in my crib and just chill.

and Christmas slow jams. You know what I'm saying? Gators at 14, man. You had no Gators when you were 14. The first time. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

No, no, he's right. He's right because, you know, I like to brag. No. The metteras at 14, well, unless that was it in reverse. The Medra. Metra. And the big fucking metta. I just wanted to hear you say it.

Nah. Metras. I did have Dappadden at 14. You can ask Dappadam, we should bring them on the show. But what I am going to say to you is the first time I did get Gators. I had $5,000 in my bank account. It was Stito Never's wedding. I go to God 5,000 once.

And I say, yo, I need that bigie shit. Man, I need that shit movie. He was like, you want that shit? I said, yeah. He said, he said, boy, I said, sky blue. He said, I'm going to make you the hat. I'm going to die it like the suit. I'm going to get you the Gators.

That thing I might have took $4,950 for me. I never paid that much for anything. I went broke behind the sky blue suit and the Gators. I could not even believe it. You know what happened that night too? They had a fucking riot. They had a fight and I got blood all over the... I could never wore the suit again.

It was like 4,900. The guy told me the joke the other day. He called me up, started laughing. Remember, you wanted that biggie shit, right? I was like, yo, God. You took my last, nigga, for the sky blue suit. Like, are you serious? That was dead serious with the prices.

That's why I made me lose weight a little. He was smoking, Nick. So you had to go to the department store? I spent millions with God. I spent fucking millions with God. I spent your guy, too. Yeah, y'all spent millions with God. Yeah.

B'all did. Yeah, I spent millions. No, I was still, I was still, I was still Car Canaan champion, cone heads. Like, Bial was the one like, nigga, though this coozy is in these glasses. I used to think they was mad older than us as they was driving. I used to go to D like, how they drive you? Give me a license. Give me a call with a license.

Him, what are you talking about? It's mad little man. We're going to be driving. Why? We're supposed to be driving. But niggas was rich, bro. They were still small driving,

man. I'm looking at that niggins my side. We come in the studio every day. I see him every day. You come in there and dad and says he just signed. I'm coming in with Bia.

I want to drive. You coming in there with Bia. And draw, Branson. Keys to Alexis Lane. Bro, I was there. I was there. This week. Yeah.

I was there. I stand up in cars back then. I used to stand up in the web. And the MPV, I could stand up in it. Yeah, that's... Yeah, you could stand up. You know what? I didn't realize he was that young.

Like, with... Yeah, that's... Oh, I knew he was young, but I ain't looking at him in a junk. So was big guy. Big committed a crime. Yeah. Know what he did? He blew his woofers off as a little kid.

You see what I'm saying? You thought he was a small, grown man. He was a little kid. He was drinking more wet, his ween, all of that. His Wufus is. His Wufus, he got to say, You win. Yeah, you're so.

He wasn't supposed to be there. He was supposed to be in school. Yeah, let me tell you something. How about it was out? Being you hanging out with you. I'm not talking no bullshit. But, damn, I was about to tell you a story, but it's fun.

I like how this moving. There's a little guy. A little guy. Listen, there's a little guy. Listen, there's a little guy. Not my carash. Not the little guy that was on the war. That's a real little guy.

You know, it's a real human being. I saw that. That is the fact. They want to call me cat for everything. Let me tell you who gets me mad. Lies a little bigger. It's like the big T.S. I proved it, my nigga.

The whole thing. I proved it. It's two feet, man. Yo, I proved it. You did. You did. I don't have one. I love it.

Why happened when America's Most Wanted? The guy called you up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I fought the guy on America's Most Wanted. Did the guy, what happens? They called. It called. It said what?

It really happened, you know what I mean? And he appreciated you for not saying his name because there's no statute of limit. So I'm trying to imagine being a rapper and you got to go fight a guy on America's Most Wanted one-on-one, and he's cocked this. And you pull up. You know how much courage that takes? For a fucking rapper The manning that guy would have whipped this shit out of me They would have been talking about me to this day

Yo remember what Joe got washed Dragged out there this this that But the moral to the story is When the BMF When BMF I'm in Miami Okay And lean back's number one

We're disgusted with the paper Every club you go to you see 20 guys 30 guys with T S chains all over Cadillac trucks all over this beach. This shit was out of control, right? So if you came to Miami, you knew you knew that.

When you came to Miami, you look up any given day. They in there mad deep, right? So every night I'm going to the club, I see this little kid. He's 12 years old. I'm going to say his name now. It's with some other wild shit going on. They've got nothing to do on what we're talking about.

But the kid Peewee that allegedly, you know, they're talking about with the Little Wayne bus or whatever. I knew him 12 years old. I would come to the club. He'd be with BMF every day with $2 million in diamonds. Little baby,

like Little C's. Might have had him. He ain't no rapper. So every day I come in with like, you crack, you give me in the club. I say, yo, bro, I can't get you. It's fucking big leeks in the minors can't get you in the club.

I can't get you. Yeah, he's blowing out the bottles. They're buying every. Yo, bro, I can't get you in. He was a cool little kid. He would come all the time. But one day I looked at him, right? And I said one day, because I took him for granted.

And one day, I never forget. I was over there in that club where we said, Calais used to DJ yesterday. He was cross the shoe. I pull up in the fandom. He said, yo, you crack. And then for some reason, my eyes, you know how you go to the eye doctor

and your shit fuzz out and goes clear? And my shit fuzzed out and went clear. And I looked at them. fucking diamonds on his neck and he's in the stay in the party. He's in the middle of the street by himself. I'm like, yo, this kid is like 12 years old

with like 2 million in diamonds on. I was like, yo, no, he ain't scared. Nobody's looking at him. Nobody's this. That's a true story. That might be the youngest guy ever seen with some shit on like that.

He was everywhere. He was with him. What the fuck was he doing with them? He was 12 years old. Everywhere they went. Used to be with AI and he used to be with Floyd, too. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So he'd been outside. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them histories like that, you'll get like, you know. He was outside of seven, man. Today's show is brought to you by a new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. Hard Rock.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

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Spanish girls come. Two o'clock they leave. 20 Chinese girls come. Three o'clock. 20 Jamaican girls come. Four o'clock. And knock that out. Yo, I didn't not know

this shit. Listen, Biggie was a superstar before me. I didn't know this shit exists. I'm sitting up in there. And I'm like, yo, what the, this is what it's like when you number one, two, and three. I'm fat Joe with the fucking army fatigue still

I'm sitting there I'm like yo this is yeah Faith Yo C's I cannot believe it That's

I could I was just And they just kept coming I was like yo This got awful Faith calls up Right He puts in the

Um He does No no it's a cool She calls up And he puts on the speaker Right, so he's laughing You know, he's a comedian You fat motherfucker

You this, this, that I know you in there You with them ugly bitches This and this And this is when I knew Biggie said, hold up Why they got to be ugly bitches They could be models

Yo, I wanted one out And I couldn't take it Yo, yo Seez, I couldn't take it, sees. I couldn't take it, sees. like, yo, you know, I thought he was like a superhero to me when I was with him and shit. I've seen the

success, but what I'm saying would never change it. Right. So I, he just exploded. So imagine you hanging out with a dude and the next thing you know, he's the biggest superstar on the planet, Earth. I don't see him for a couple of months. I put out my second album. I'm going to

some shit, maybe Billboard magazine or something like that. Or the vibe and I just see a bunch of people around the truck. And as I get closer, I see B-I-G, I see you, I see Little Kim. And I'm like, oh, shit, that's big. And you know what Fat Joe did? Fat Joe, I'm embarrassed to tell you about for that split second.

In my mind? You cry. I'm telling you the truth. And in my mind, he became such a superstar set. Oh, that nigga must have changed. And right when I get to turn away, you know how people say people change? He was like, yo, crap, yo crap. So I look at him as big

So I walk over there He starts telling little Kim And sees, yo, we've been bumping this album Right, you like it And he said, yo, you step your shit up And I was like, that taught me That was such a life lesson That taught me like

Don't assume people change They can still be the same people No matter what success it is It'd be your perspective Of people Without knowing, yeah, without judging. He, you know, you know, you know, Right?

Oh, no, one thing about my nigger, like outside of all the street shit, he was a fan of the music. Right. So if you really was dope, that's all he cared about. You don't get a fuck.

What you did outside? You ain't got to be that real nigga, that lit nigga, nothing. You can rap. He fucks with you. That's it. Let me ask you something.

He goes from this underground rapper. We see videos of him rhyming in the Brooklyn with the mic, rest of piece, Mr. C shit. He's doing it, Clark Kent.

Clark Kent. He's 50 grand. 40 grand, man, the 40 gold brothers. What was they? The old gold brothers, the old gold brothers, man, OGB, man, OGB.

Yeah, big first DJ was 50 grand. He had a crew called the OGB, the old gold brothers. So he just passed away like three years ago. Him, Mr. C. And DJ Clark Kent, you know,

all the first part of that. So what I'm trying to understand is, so he's this underground battle rapper, because when I met Biggie, I was in the lyricist lounge giving out the flow Joe vinyl to the DJ and he went up there

in battle 10 they're gonna say you Joe I'm saying 10 so it don't sound cap but he taught him all down he had a backpack on him

puff was on stage doing the puff dancing hyped up this this I'm looking at the crowd oh this vibe he's gonna be big

right so we we became cool what I'm saying is when they started making these records like rapping to juice he and all that. Was that a puff bringing the R&B to it,

or was it big saying, I want to do these kind of records? He didn't want to do that. You know that? That was all puff. He didn't want to me. Thank God. I mean, those shit.

Without question. He didn't want to do it, but he listened to him. Yeah. No, but he listened to him. So originally, he didn't want to, because I believe that changed, well, I don't believe I know that changed the whole hip-hop game.

Like, to this day, Fat Joe's trying to catch one of them. what's love, a dis, everybody you, and she was a model for you. That's all that formula. No doubt. Right? When we flipped those shit

and we had singing hooks where R&B singers and all that, you know what I'm saying? That was a BIG thing. So it was like Puff brought those beats to the table. That was straight his. He brought out to BIA because he knew he had somebody

that was like the dopest writer in the world, though. That's my favorite rapper, right? So imagine you were in the position of power of you could sit behind a desk and you got the top farm Jordan player of this league and you can tell him to do anything.

Play point guard, play shooting guard, play forward, play center. Yeah, and I can big did everything. Cadence. His cadence was out. Chas. If you want to talk about anything that compared the rap, I think he's the one that covered every ground of the, how you want to do it.

In the most such a perfection, wait, in a shorter span like that. He only had three years, though. He came out in 94, died of 97. We ain't get a chance to enjoy nothing. What he did, though. He did. No, no, I've been to join the platform for Junior Mafia.

They ain't a deal on earth. No, no, no. He paved the way for everybody. Fuck, Junior Mafia alone. Everybody that got signed. Had a big verse to go. This. Everybody. Like on the hip-hop culture, whether you know it or not,

you was influenced by the B-I-G. The B-R-G. Listen, though, that's what loaded a grave with me, you know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, gonna call me bias or whatever. No, no. Listen, when it comes down to that, man,

there's nothing. No, I'm biased too. Not just because you're coming here. That's what I do. That's what I do. He's ain't going to tell my man nothing. You know, I'm biased too. He didn't get here to have 20, 30 year run like anybody else did, but if he was

I'm biased too, and he sound, smoking niggas. He would be smoking everything right now. If he was here, everything that he left would still be here right now. So me as a fan from outside. Like, similar to this guy. And I'm not just saying, because him, I'm tired of this guy, right?

Here's my business partner, but I'm tired of business. He's my brother. And you're my brother. Yeah, but he's very similar. Right. With big, every verse he would drop, whether it's on 112, whether it's with chaw,

whether he never had a whack verse ever, though. And you would hear the shit, and every time he pulled out a new verse, we'd be like, He already say now. You know, kids got that impact, too. That's why Top 5 did it or alive. But like...

The statement he made. He created that for him because he is that. Top 5 dead or alive. He is that. But outside of being that, he's a top 5 realest nigger in the world. Come to my hood, come sit there, got pictures with my mom.

I performed there as uncle parties and shit. You know, I performed at his daughter's 316. He come to my hood every day and come hang out with me there on my birthday, my mother birthday, sister's birthday, nigga see my little nephew, give my little nephew a couple of hours. Play basketball, like, no, he's a,

that's what makes you that too. Outside of rap is also about how you carry yourself. You ain't got to be the best shit in the world lyrically, but you could, that makes you that too, about how you carry yourself, how you maintain, how you keep your integrity and your morals is about everything. You know what I'm saying?

So, how is that of that? I appreciate that, Lee. It's my God. It was very nice gesture. Feel me? Me and his mom's got the same name. his mom's and my mom you know what I'm saying

like I coincidental is that here Jim and I like my boy I've seen y'all be tight for years yeah I'm gonna try to I've seen a lot of people turn their back on them after the untowling demise of Bia

you know what I mean you know it's always three sides to every story but if people you hear how you talk about me and big and y'all getting tight and all that and how

How could you say big as your man And then shit on league? So I mean? You're talking to the wrong guy? No, no. I'm even doing an example. I've kept it 1,000% without seeds, Little Kim, all of them.

I never understood how Little Kim had beef and dudes wasn't standing by her side and all that. I never understood it because the way I've always seen Little Seats and Little Kim is with Biggie. Malls. No doubt.

Now, if Biggie Smalls is king of New York, he's Frank White, and I used to see how, it's the same shit. Yo, let me tell you something. I'm not comparing the apples and oranges, but same thing with pun. Punter come, and when he was rapping, nobody want to rap next to him. Nobody want to smoke with him.

Nobody want to cypher with him. Nobody wanted this. Nobody wanted that. And then he died. Nobody wanted to mention him. No top five, no top ten. no nothing, but when he was here, you're scared of death of him

what he was doing. Lyrically, I remember pun calling me damn near crying. They won't let me upstairs to the cipher. Remember how 97 used to put people on cipher? Everybody upstairs was like, no.

They're doing the cipher. He's calling the hotline, Funkflex. I don't want to say the rappers up there. They were like, no. Do not let him upstairs. They did not want him to come up in there. They're in the middle,

a little, little, little. But he passed. Pretty much, if it ain't for us, we can't defend his legacy. No doubt. You guys seem to not mention how nice he was. Right? So it's the same thing.

When I met you and I met Little Kim, I'm like, yo, I'm at her with the king. Like, how could I let somebody volley up or C's or anything like that? Like, I'm not fake. That's love, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to be your old pig. this is your man.

Then when something happened to him, I switch up on you. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to his moms. I felt like we lost moms and hip-hop, at least New York. I was my girl. And I can't even tell the stories.

But they always say a lot. But you know the love. You know, you know that. Too much, you know. What she loved, she showed you. You was on her gram, kisses on her graham. You know, two days.

She don't fuck with you, she don't. If she don't rock with you, she'll... Two days. But that's the love, though, but she passed. Yeah. Not the day she passed the day before. She was talking about me to Wayne Burroughs and the end, home girl. She called me and was that, yo, Mama Wallace was just asking about you this and this and that

and talk about you a good guy. I love Mama Wallace. I just felt like she was the mom of hip-hop. And that's how I felt. That's that. You know what I'm saying? And so... She did things the right way.

She did it the right way. And, you know, she made sure everything was set up, like, like, really, like, she took over with big left behind. She really took it over and put it in perspective, man. You know what I'm saying? His kids is super straight. And that's what matter, right?

And so we care. He is still able to take care of his family, after 30 years. He's still from the grave, still make sure his kids straight to, even until his day his mom was left. He made sure... That's crazy.

thing was good. And that's something for saying. Generation of wealth. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's what we're talking about. Generation of wealth. I mean, I always felt like,

you know, look, I don't wish nothing on me, but I always felt like... Well, no, I was not going to steal. Not my point is, I didn't know still, man. Yeah, you know, this guy.

You're clever. The point is... The point is, I always felt like I would be happy if self-regor, God forbid, happened to me, and my family was straight. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's the big, that's what it is. You know what I'm saying? You see these mafia dudes, they born up in crime, and they know sooner or later somebody's even going to knock them off or they're going to jail forever,

but their family is straight in the mansion forever. They own the fucking construction businesses and this. They just, they everything good. So you just basically, it's like you're a warrior with a shield and a fucking sworn and you go out there to make sure

them kids are straight forever. Same thing with you, same thing with me. That's the dream. Biggie actually did it. That's fucking amazing. 30 years later, he's still taking care of his family.

And that's, you know what I mean? But you see that generational type of thing in us peers from our era. Like, you see that in you. Yeah, that was on to our era. We appreciate stuff like that. like making sure our kids are straight. We don't want our kids to or nieces,

nephews to grow up and go through the shit that we actually went through. Now, I don't want them to go to no tunnel. I don't want my nephew do that. Go play basketball. Go to that tunnel. The Master Square Garden, you know, go through that tunnel in the barclays.

Like, I went through that tunnel before, the other tunnel. When we was really outside, but when you get to, you know, to see his kids do that, they ain't had to grow up like how I grew up. So I go on vacations with them. Like, we go on trips.

You don't, we don't go to the block. We don't go to the block. We don't go to the hood. When I be hanging out with his kids, I see no, like when Big, you know, in the middle of all that beef, when Big was going, I don't want to elaborate on whack shit,

but when we, like, I think everybody knew he shouldn't be in L.A. at that time, right? Yeah. Did you feel like that? I was too young to feel that way. I've seen him.

He was smiling from even. Oh, I get it, but no, he knows he was smiling. He went out there. He was happy. Like he was happy to be out there. Yeah, he was happy. He was happy than over here if you asked me.

It was to be away. Yeah, he was her whole enjoy. I don't know how to not tell people that, right? Well, people are like, why y'all was out there? Because he wanted to be there. That's what he wanted to be. So this day, I stand on that. Like, you know, well, he wanted to.

That's where he enjoyed it. He wanted to chill there. That's what he wanted to vibe at. I don't know. I don't know how to stay up to somebody about you. Why he wanted to be there? He wanted to be there. his own man, he was comfortable there.

He loved LA. So he wanted to be there, I'm on front line with him. Okay, cool. We leave them all? No, we ain't leaving them all. We're going to stay here another week. Cool, we're here. All right. This is where he wanted to be. He called the shots. It was his situation. He felt good about being there.

You know what I'm saying? He felt like that place was a safe place for him. Not even being safe. He just wanted to be somewhere where he wanted to be. He didn't give a fuck. Really? We got there by. 24 years old, We're older now. We all turn in 40s, 45s, and not 50s. He was 24.

You know what I'm saying? We were still kids. Niggas ain't know no better. He died a baby. They both died a baby. Like, they both 20-something. Like kids, you know what I'm saying? I saw a fun before he passed.

I did the show and I was in a show on somewhere like North Carolina or something where he was in the... Losing weight. And I was here. We were signed to the same label. So I come in my room. You got some people in your room. Before I got some of our shit.

Who in the room? Now, I got a deep rock. A little gutter. A bunch of aggressive ass niggas and then we come in there. It's fun sitting in a seat. What's up? Yeah, what's up?

See? What's up? He's up. He's up. Yeah, hell yeah, man. All my big of fun. For sure, though. He had crazy love for big.

I think that's one of the people he never got to rock with that he really, really would have loved to rock with. No doubt. And, you know. Imagine a big and fun song. Imagine that.

Yeah. Great. Like, big her fire water. He heard fire water. He said, yo, you man that spit with you with dead nice, this and this and that. He heard that shit. I wish that for the half shit. You know what I'm saying.

Like, you know, that's a shit I'd be having to live with, like shit like that. Like, damn, man. If dog was here to do shit. You would have loved him. Who is he was here to smoke some of these? Shit I'm smoking. I'm smoking some good shit Yeah, he didn't get a chance

He missed it He didn't get to smoke the pure He was smoking He was smoking that shit In Cali he was smoking shit Now he caught shit in Cal He called chronic He caught chronic

He caught Bradshaw He didn't catch this right now Right If he wasn't able to catch that shit He didn't catch that yo yo You can't wait to see him again And pull up You got some

You got some bring something to the Go out there When the ounce one I go see it He ain't come with that poppy pooh You know how he wanted to? You know how he wanted to? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure he hears something now. Do you believe, let me ask you a question,

which might be crazy, but it's real, right? You believe when you die, you go to heaven and they're waiting for you and Biggie will be there waiting for you? Man, no. I don't think it that way. I think it's a life after. I do think that.

Right now, I need you out of play Whitney Hughes' song. I can't, I don't know which one, dog. I believe the children on the future. No, not that. Yo, ma, let me ask you questions. That's why you got a line. You know, they don't want that.

I'm every one. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you. So you don't believe when you pass the way you go to see your people? I don't believe it happens like the way you think, like TV. It's a gate there. And I don't think it's a day. They go off the day.

Sammy Davis, you know. I don't think it's like the Pox video. Yeah. I don't think when you guys. I'm about to pull up here right there. Yeah. Joe Crague.

You're white suits on. Joe Crack. Praise. Joe Crack praise. You know. Joe Crack plays. That is like that. And I want to see my nigga Raoul.

I want to see my mother and father. I want to see Biggie. I want to see everybody. You know what I'm saying? So if I believe in heaven and I believe in God, I believe that we're going to see him. And so they call me crazy, Capp, Joe, whatever the fuck you want.

But I believe I'm praying. So much that is like that my nigga Tom Montana, my best friend ever in history, I wish I could have that conversation. You did it, nigga, we was watching you. They was coming up here saying, I want that. You know what I'm saying? My brother, he's praying for that.

My brother, I know. I'm just saying my brother told Montana got killed before I even put out a single. But he knew I was rapping. He was proud of me. And so imagine if I could go to heaven and he's just waiting for me. Like, y'all, you did this and this and this and that. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. B.I.J., what was one of the illest shit that happened to you that blew your mind that you couldn't believe? You met shock and con. You met some, oh, y'all was rocking with fucking Michael Jackson? Was you there for that?

I was, dear. I wasn't in the session, though. Did you see him? Michael? Yes. Nah, I see Mike, man. That's the one time he violated me, bro. Bigel or, oh, Michael.

Oh, Bia. When he went to do the song with Mike, right, he was like, you listen, bro, just rolled me up a few. I rolled him off some blunts. I wanted to go do this first for Mike. So I'm thinking I'm still, like, come in there with him, right? He's like, yo. Nah, bro, stay here.

I don't trust them with the kids. he was joking though so see yeah see yeah yeah yeah

so I sat in the whip why he went and then the verse for Michael came back hour later verse done check knows out

I ain't left you on the G14 G14 so who classified classified what's What's the G14?

What's the G14? He left him in a whip. Yeah, the man told him, yo. That's a fine. He just said, fall back. I'm going to rock with Michael. That ain't something you just say, that ain't just a fallback.

I want to go. Do you. 14, 15. No, it's been, it's been. I want to meet Michael Jackson. There's, his meetings, it's people. Viance says, Look, one of my most trusted people on the planet

Earth is Pistow P. You see him over there. There's people Pistol P. haven't met. People that I'm tight with that will call me their brother, their family, they this, they that. The Pistow P they met. There's people I go in there by myself.

Go talk to them, have a conversation with them, and then come back. It's certain places you just can't bring nobody. So you go up in there and you just, unfortunately, though? I get that. Leo.

No, Pistu's like Leo. He's my brother. I love him to death. I take him anywhere. I die with him. And in certain places, I got to be like,

yo, gosh, I see y'all a little later. I got to walk over here. That's something. That's me. I was on punk. They did that to you on punk?

Yeah, and he told me don't bring nobody. That's why you was in a whip. Yeah. So by yourself? Now that makes sense to that. And you wig, too,

though. I ain't even see that shit, but let me tell you. They tried to punk me. They never could punk me because my guys wouldn't sell me out, but they wanted to do a... They went to Joe Bentley because he used to rent me to Bentley's and all that, and they told him they want to put a fake dead body in the Trump,

pull me over and act like I got a dead body in the trunk. Oh, punk, bro. That was the narrative for Fat Joe. Open the trunk, and it's a dead body in there. And Joe Bentley wouldn't sell me out. He was like, yo, I can't do that. I'm not... a hard attack.

Huh? Well, it's not a heart attack. I would have did what I do now. Yo, I don't know nothing. I got a lawyer. Swear to God, what would have happened on that camera was like, yo, I don't know nothing about that.

Yo, I got a lawyer. C.J. Consler. Like, that's it. That's what I would have did. That's all they would have caught on video. But they wouldn't sell me out. They tried Raul.

They tried Joe Penley. They tried, like, three people. And everybody's like, You're crazy, man. I ain't setting Joe up with that shit. Like, Joe ain't doing it. He ain't going to go for it. They told him, yo, you ain't punking him.

He ain't. He's not going to go for it. Like, you're wasting your time. And it's true. I swear to God, if they did it now, somebody put a dead body in my truck up. I mean, I got a lawyer, man. I ain't saying that.

I ain't got to get a sound. No. You making that sound real nice. Like a pop and a man. Yo, my mother. No. Yo, my mother taught me, let me say something. My mother taught me when we didn't have a fucking dollar.

We didn't even have a dollar. How about we never had a lawyer? My mom's who told me in the project show they grab you. I told my daughter and my son this up one million times. They ever grab you anything on earth. Just tell them you got a lawyer. You have to tell them you got a lawyer. That eliminates everything else.

No doubt. It's nothing really to talk about. It's like, yo. What you want me to do? Yo, this is terrible. But what you want me? You think I'm going to try to convince him? I don't know.

There's nothing you can do with call a lawyer. I can't convince you I didn't put that body in this chunk of what? I'm fucked or I'm not. Call the lawyer. That's it. That was it. They tried to punk me. They try.

They definitely try to pump me. So that Michael, you wasn't there for Michael Jackson. But what was you there for that you coming from? Brooklyn, young kid. Michael Schen. And he was like, you know, we really doing this? Like, this is crazy. What is it? I mean, I would say that, like, our first session, like, you know, when we first got on, I knew it was studio.

Yeah. Like, just that was a big moment. I mean, you know, not thinking, you know, you're thinking you're just going, all right, Bia's your boy, that's family, that's the big bro. And he on, he came out 94. We was out 95. Like, that's how fast he, we was in the studio. That's absolutely.

That's absolutely. It's actually impossible to do, too. You know what I'm saying? By the way. You becoming a legend, and then you're putting somebody else on and working for them and putting their music out of year. That's, like, it's beyond unheard of us. He came out in 1994.

We came out in August, 1995, like literally a year later. And not just, you know, Kim, me, as a director, like, nah, he, that was his, that's what he was doing. That's 24 years old, 22. You create the process before he died. He had the clothing line already. What was it? Brooklyn men. Brooklyn men.

That shit was fly, too. Yeah, you know, so he was. We would just, well, he just, you know. I just said that what I think most about Biggie is just knowing him and seeing, I think he would have been a used entrepreneur like a Jay Z is. Oh, yeah. You know, he was just. Big poplar diners. Yeah.

Yeah. The proper restaurant. These is already, he was already. doing with people like with everybody I can tell you he was going to do it that just

the commission album he was already creating things in his head like all right outside the mafia got a commission thing I want to do he told me about

Jay Z I had a turn yeah dog he was like yo Joe I said yo big come to my birthday party

I think I had fucking China club or something he was like yo I might slide by with this dude he's crazy nice

his name is Jay Z it's my man I was like where he was like yo I'm gonna come by with Jay-Z. He didn't come, but he definitely told me

about Jay-Z. Like, he was like, yo, that was my man, Jay-Z. He was dead nice. He was talking like that. He's dead nice. He's going to blow this the stack. But they never came. But that was the time, man. That whole time. We was a fan of the music, though. You know, all of us at that time, it was

just like, we was really doing so shit to change our lives. Like, you know what I mean? So we really enjoyed being around each other, fucking with each other. It was dope to go to the Bronx. It was dope to go to the Yonkers and hang out and, you know, the big die, we'll be money, power, respect. We always love Big Papa, but he, like,

we build something from that, like, just from that point on. It's like, when Big Die, it made us all like it's, like, people from home, you know, we're going to keep it tight. Yeah, you know, that's how I feel, right? And that's why whenever you see me jumping out, whether it's a big birthday, big anniversary, we bring everything, I got to jump out. You sure.

I got to post that shit up. I got to jump. anything because I got to let them know yo we ain't forgetting B-I-G like not while I'm alive not while I'm here we're not forgetting you know the man who inspired us

to become who we are you know what I'm saying like I still to this day and I and I shouted out the other day what was it with Ray and um ran half like like Heavy D like Heavy D gave me the confidence as a

Money earning money money money in my confidence. No Evidy, no B-I-G. I'm telling you. You know, Heavy D was the fly. To this day, right? Because he don't get that. He don't.

He don't get that. To this day, I throw that shit on. I'm telling it. To this day, I might have some fly, yellow, Rick Owen, leather shit on. And then I look in Instagram and I see it be like, yo, 1991, nigga, have, have the same shit on. 30 years ago.

I'm like, yo, I still ain't catch him. Like, I can't beat Heavy Bees fly. He was just so fucking fly as a big man. Same thing with Bia. Bia was like super fly.

That was his homework, though. He got that from him too, though. Like, that's where he... Oh, no. It's heavy. You know what I'm saying? We know that. Like, that's...

You know, one of the things, you know, I would say my wife... My wife is far from a groupie, but one of the things she thanks me for is for introducing that the B-I-G. And she dates me. Yo, man,

thank you for letting me meet Biggie. It's official. You know, that's like, you know, Biggie, you know, we got to talk Biggie. We always got to talk Tupac. These two guys, right, are like, they're going to live forever

a thousand years from now. They're going to live. Longer than us. Yeah, they martyrs for hip-hop. For this whole thing. Let me tell you something. and a lot of people don't get it fucked up. Everybody has something to do with hip hop.

We can go cool, her, dramaster flash, band by everything. But 500 years from now, hip hop is long gone, but they analyze it. Like, we're looking at the fucking pyramids and all. It's 500 years. And hip hop culture comes up. They're going to talk about Biggie and Tupah. No doubt.

There's no way around it. They're going to be doing fucking seminars and fucking college. Like right now, they definitely got Biggie classes, Tupac classes. Like, those are the two faces of hip-hop music. After that, then you go

down, break down with whoever else you get. Everybody played their part in hip-hop. I don't want nobody to be watching this from the ATL off of the West Coast. But Scholar Rock is like one of the first rapper. Yeah, but he's not going to be talked about it 500 years. Like streetwise.

No, Scala Rock. broke my heart, bro, I'm BDP. But that's enough that we, what, see, people don't know about it. Oh, I'm fucking BDP, BDP, BORC don't play, Bobby. Yeah, yeah. I'm BDP. I'm BDP. You talk about BIG.

One time I was struggling after Flojo, because you think you're good as your last hit. Flojo can be number one, you're hustling getting checks. When that shit slowed down two years later, I never forget my idol care of this money, came to my apartment, and in the Thrasnack. He's like, Joe, how you doing?

I was fucked up. You know what I'm saying? Because once I left the drug game, it was all about rap. So I had to make my money rap. So he came to see me. And you took me sitting in a hollum. He sat down in the city.

He said, Chris took in the city. The IRS. And he said, yo, what's up? You're fucked up. I'm like, yo, I'm fucked up. He said, you come with me. You hype it up.

You do flow, Joe, and I'm going to throw you a little $2,500. It was like $10,000 back to the pay. So he took me for a couple of months to hype him up. I was this hype man, and I get the do flow, Joe. And you know who else was there with, uh, wake up in the morning on the song and I'm like, channel live, right? All I do is smoke, man.

And, yo, then he's the day, whenever that 2,500 came through, save my life. 25,000, my rent was 500. I got the one-one, one-one, one-bedroom, one bath. Like, yeah, I got the one-on-one. My rent was $5,500. I'm like, yo! We say he would come and be like, yo, what's up?

We're going to go to Philly. Yo, hype me up. This, we're going to Atlantic City. We're going to Boston. Ipe me up. And so he fed me, you know, during that time. But, you know, we know, we had hard times and hip-bots.

Sometimes it's great. Sometimes it's slow up. That's why you say all the time, yo, we just got to keep, we got to keep working. we just can't stop, even if we don't need it, we got to keep going and going and going and going. I'm going to Mongolia next week.

Mongolia! I got to get the bag, well, Mongolia? I got to fly to China than to Mongolia. You know how real that is? That's hard. I tried my best. I said, no, I ain't doing it, nah.

Mongolia, I love you. Thank you for the opportunity. I was like, nah. No way I'm going. This and this. that. You used to fly. You fly now, right? Yeah, but I don't even... No, I don't want to do it. Back in Miami, Florida,

you don't want to do it. Listen, I didn't want no more than that. 13-something I was. Yeah, you wouldn't have done. That shit. That shit. Got to go, got to stop it. Then you got to fly number nine to China, then another two to all Mongola. But what I'm

trying to tell you is that rich players. Oh, yes, you are getting on that fucking flight. I see, yo, where's? He was like, nicks, we're getting that bag, bro. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you got to do that. I don't really need it. I really don't really have to go, brother.

I'm being honest with you. But you got to do it before you need it. You got to work when you don't need it. So you don't need it. You're like, all right, we got it. That's the only way to do it. There's a choice at that point. Once you're already going to put it in already, you're like,

all right, course. I ain't like how to sound it just now. And I don't like saying. Whoa. I don't like saying that. But once you put work, you put your work of head, you can do less, is what I mean by that.

No, no, I could do it. I don't really have to go. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to get the bag. Because I got to go get that. There's no justification when it's going in this bag getting time. I don't care where.

My goal is, I'm no. That's what I said. People used to tell me at one time, Fadjo, toured the whole Africa Davido If you want to throw your hat or something Davido

So I went to Africa so much And Davido When I met him at an all-star game You was there too at that all-star game He was like, yo, you was in my village 10 times when I was a kid I watched you in my village in Africa You know what I'm saying?

So I would go to Africa To tour and other artists and be like Yo, you're going to Africa? And I'd be like, yo, my man got killed over $1 in the dice game in the Bronx. He asked bet it. They stabbed him in his heart and he died. How much more dangerous could it be in fucking Africa?

Where in my projects, I know guys that died for $1. Well, I got to go get the bag. We're going to see if Mongolian beef paws out there is the good shit. You know what I'm saying? We're going out there. We're going to see, right? Yeah. B. I wouldn't get on a plane no more than 13 hours. Be all the limit? He had a limit?

We ain't go. We had, we had, we had, we had boogers in Japan and Alaska. He's not getting, he's like, I'm not doing that. Smart guy. Anything 12 hours over, he ain't fucking with it. I got to break it up. I go to Dubai for a little 12, 13 hours, stay one day, and then fly to China another 8, 9, And then that, then take the two. You're rich, man. Go fuck yourself on your birthday, man. Get the fuck out of here.

Got me going to fucking, fucking move. Shut the fuck out of here, man. You have to flag. You know. Oh, man. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss, bastards.

No doubt, man. Shout out to the phone blue. Shout out to our gosh, my brother, Caesar Leo. Man, I appreciate y'all for having me, man. Whenever he's around, he's going to be popping in and out. You know what I mean? Y'all two of my big brothers in the business. He's like the cousin to the show.

No doubt. Yeah, he's supposed to be like brother man just pops up with my mind. Well, I'm in for the fifth floor. Yeah, but that's what the fuck happened. You're right over here chilling. I say, oh, no, we got to get seasoned this motherfucker. Yo, man, shout out to B.G. Shout to me.

I got an album coming out, heart of the city. A documentary call from a young G's perspective. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And you're going to keep it authentic I'm going to keep on representing for BIG. You know, it's coach who shit here. No flag.

Shout out to the homie. No flag. Shout out to D. Rock. Shout out the rules. Shout out to C. Gother. R.R.P. the Chief Del Vette.

R.R.P. to Mr. Bristown. You know what I'm saying? Mr. C. 50 grand. Shout out banging Blake. Banging Blake. That's my fear.

You know, Brown. Shout to the whole team, man. We got to say, El Cam. Hawburn. No. Polka brothers, Lance. I love you, Kim.

Everybody's that's ex- Shabb my man, Lance. You know what I'm saying? God. Who else from the pull-up bars over there? A bunch of them over here. You calling out the whole pull-up bar. Come on.

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