The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe and Jada - Omar Epps on NEW FILM ‘Moses the Black,’ Tupac in ‘Juice’ & ALL-TIME Black performances

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Omar Epps, whose new film 'Moses the Black' released across the United States on January 30th. The prolific actor tells Joe and Jada about working alongside Quavo and Wiz Khalifa on the 50 Cent-produced film, his iconic role in Juice alongside Tupac Shakur, working with LL Cool J on In Too Deep, going against the grain with his House role, and why he thinks it's time to retire the "pause" police. Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX!6:00 - Working with Tupac and LL Cool J 10:30 - Why he chose to do House 13:30 - Moses the Black 17:00 - Why Fat Joe changed his number 34:00 - Omar tells a Fat Joe story 38:00 - Star-studded household with Keisha Spivey from Total 43:30 - Most iconic performances by Black actors 48:30 - 5 albums that inspired Omar Epps [Timestamps may vary due to advertisements.] All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the new, don't do it. I'm ready to block you no matter how much I love you. Yo, y'all see what happened? They got the Netflix deal. Joe, where Hollywood on it? That's this number. He's such his number on them, y'all. What up, y'all?

This Joe Crack the Dawn. You know who it is, your boy, Jada. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada show, every show legendary, every show iconic. Shout out to Netflix. We crushing y'all, niggins. When you think of today's guests,

hold on, that was Netflix. They called me. When you think of today's guests, you think of a cult classic, a part of a lot of, a cult classic in every era. You think of long range. You think of chops.

You think he can play a police officer. He can play a detective. He can go undercover. He can play a college basketball star. He can play a doctor. He can play anything. If you're around our age, you grew with him. A great family man.

He could play a DJ. I've seen them in the hallway on tour in the dressing room, kicked it with them. You know what I mean? Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Omar. You know, Omar, you're one of them guys, there's not enough to say about you because just like me and Kiss, we grew up watching you on the movie screen for all of our careers. So it's just, there's no way to roll it out

perfectly because we would be here for like a fucking day just explaining, you know, your contributions to the culture in the game. But definitely, I grew up with y'all. Appreciate that. Success CDs, all of that.

You know what I mean? So we was all in that generation. We was all coming up together. Kids with dreams. You know what I'm saying? New York. Born and Bread. You know what I mean?

We covered all the bases. The show, right, to me is, it's almost like a sitcom. So I told them the other day when he didn't have fluidity, he was under the weather. I was like, yo, you know, Netflix just started a podcast thing. And big up everybody, but I watched all the other podcasts a little 15 minutes. They ain't got the fluid. They ain't got Omar F.C. and fucking shining in the three-piece suit

with a set with a dick. I looked at all of them and there's some great people on there, but I'm hoping that your random customer don't got nothing to do on Netflix and they love podcasts and the one time they go, boom, they know, yo, this shit like the Martin show.

Yeah, y'all killing them. I think I heard you more. I've been watching y'all from the top and I think one time you said, like, yeah, like the honeymoon is now. It's like the eye company. The odd couple. It's like the I couple.

You know what I'm saying? It's like the odd couple. Because y'all, you know, we know y'all. Like I said, we grew up with y'all. I was like everybody else. Joe, shit it. Like, how's that going to rock? You know what I mean?

And y'all just, you just can't beat it. It's so organic. It's so authentic. You know what I mean? And it's just to have these conversations. And we all don't seem so much. Like, been around so many different moments that, you know what I mean? The show is selling.

This guy like Jay Reid, man, he shoot me every show. When I go home and watch the repeat like you, I said, Mother fuck it is, God. Don't snipe me from the... You get that on the way off. You iconic for the fact, your skill and your ability to be on screen and, you know, the roles you arrange. But you got to work with L.L.

You got to work with Pock. What was them days filming juice? I was back. Filman Juice was incredible, man. I was 17, fresh out of high school. He was wearing knees. I was wearing nose, yeah.

No, yeah. He was not wearing 40. He was wearing 40. But, you know, again, like, in a sense, it happened so fast that it was hard to take in the magnitude of, but I will say I felt something. special in the sense of the film, the characters,

those moments were speaking to me. I was living that. I felt like, oh yeah, it was like us on the block. So it just felt like I would go see it. You know what I mean? And just like, pop, it's funny because it's like not funny, but like this is he wasn't the Tupac

everybody, no, he was just pop. Just like, he was too park after that movie was, but he was like, oh, that's my man. And like, you know what I mean? He's cooking up. He's going to music thing, spitting verses in the trailer. But he was him. I was like, you know, that dude got,

he got something different. I mean, and then L, it's LL. I'm sitting there. I'm like, that's crazy. Like, we're just sitting down, chopping up, just talking, just giving me, you know, business knowledge and things of that nature.

And we, you know, it's interesting. Now you got all these lists and this and this that. And it's just like, yo, you never seen nothing like, oh. I think people don't realize how young He was when he started. When he started. He's still going.

He's a kid. He's a big of me. I say that all the time. He gets mad at me. He's my idol, but every time he's the first artist on death to him, and he's still going strong and fucking powerful and active as ever. But what I'm saying to you is I'm a couple of years older than you. And I was outside.

I'm a couple of years older than you. And I was outside. And I never seen that low cool jane. I've seen Big Daddy King's. Well, I seen Big Daddy. I've seen nights and strong. I've seen all of them. You couldn't even see L.L. Cool Jake.

He was like Justin Bieber. He popped off so young. Nage used to be like that for me. It took me mad years. Niles. I didn't see Nath. Nah, I was with Nile. When Noss started, I started with him.

It took me. I've been in Bummy hotels with Nass. I've been in Bummy hotels with Noss. Talk about, yo, that you think you. You know, Nott just to be like, yo, we ever seeing them. money gone. I'm like, yo, you will be

ematic, don't worry, it's going to come. He was like, yo, God, like, you ain't no fluidity in this Le Quinta Inn. Nah, I was seen Nah, I said, what about Kisson, now I play ball? She had two for that, she had two for that movie.

All right. Yeah, she had to. We was training and all that, working with these coaches, and, you know, to hit a shot when the lights on is hard. Yeah. I mean, the gym is easy. But when it's like, you know, if we were really filming

in, like, high schools and all that, you know, we know how crowds are at the ballgame, you know, care if it's take 23. Y'all, they, you know what I mean? It's like, yo, we're filming something here. Yeah. Supposed to miss. Classic dog.

Yeah. How about the wood? How is that? Paul's filming that. Yeah, that's a whole pause. Now it's 2026. That's a little pause for the kill you. I wasn't.

You got to, on the title of the movie? Nah, that shit, Paul. Yeah, they're going to get... Englewood. Yeah, how was it fame in the Englewood? Englewood. Still pork. That's right.

Englewood's a non-baws. Yeah. But the wood... I think that was like a mature version of, like, the brotherhood. You know what I mean? Like, you know, they were still from the mud, but, like, doing different things. And I think it was a dope depiction of that version of brotherhood. And, uh, that was fun.

I love for me. Man, you got, you did about seven, eight years on house. Yeah. As a doctor, how is that? How are you just, because. You get to house and stuff like that, they not cast. Type casting, yeah. But that's a big part of the reason I wanted to do house is because I'm like,

they're not going to see this coming. Because I was aware, or at least in my mind, I'm like, they probably see me like this. think I can only do this. I'm going to go make this left right here and bring us with me. You know what I mean? Like when I first did a house,

the one, when I was first meeting with him, I was like, yo, it's like, yo, there's anything we want for character you like this,

Daniel, and I was like, I want him to keep the tattooing the hand. Oh, because he's from rough and tumbling all this. And I'm like, yeah, yeah,

but it was for little kids that looked like us. It was like a dog whistle to them. Like, yo, you could have the white jacket, too. Because the power of imagery is different from the power of, like, voice, like audio. You know what I'm saying? Like, art is so powerful, man.

What we do, I feel like we broats and we sages, but like, you know, listening to a song, a fighter before the fight, like, yo, it's getting them amp or the ballplayer before the game. Or, you know, when we listen to a song, we sad, it puts you in a certain move. you can hear a song and smell your grandmother cooking and the, you know what I mean? Like these type of things. So what we do, we know the power of it and the younger generation need to know that it's not disposable. It's not just for the baller. You know what I'm saying?

It's much more powerful than that. No doubt. You know, it's crazy because my mother, she passed away recently. If she was alive right now, she'd be right by the TV listening to the temptations and the OJs and all that. And I ain't been able to. to listen to that kind of music since she passed because it just automatically puts you in that space where I've been like, you know what I'm saying?

My wife tried to throw that shit on the other day. I was like, yo, I ain't ready to hear that shit right now. But you will be one day, but you said you ain't ready. But you see what I'm saying? Like we be so caught up in the hustle, the business of it, but it's a whole other side to this thing that the reason why we all got in, where I really spoke to us, motivated us, And when we're young, like, all right, and then you find you got a lien with that thing.

You know what I mean? I'll tell you what. I've been doing this 30 years. It's just a blessing every day, man. Let me tell you some, you look great. Thank you. Your wife's our sister. What is the skin remedy for you guys today?

Because your shit looking brand new boys. Thank you, man. You, your wife is the different fluidity. Are y'all like wake up every game? Do you both? They got a special shape, boy. They got a special shit. Do y'all do Pilates and yoga in the house?

Everybody's like, what's going on? Taking care of self for me, you know, listen, wifey, man, just being happy. Being happy and got a beautiful family, beautiful kids, you know what I'm saying? And the constant state of gratitude. And, you know, just take care of ourselves. Let's get to the new movie, Moses the Black.

No, it's a Black. Yeah, Moses of Black, man. I'm excited about this. It's a story. about a man who comes to an impasse at his life where he realizes he has to become the thing that he's seeking. And that's the character.

I play Malik. He gets out of prison and he realizes something has to change. He has to become the change and it's juxtapodes against the story of, the true story of Moses the Black, the Ethiopian, who was the saint and how their stories parallel.

So Moses the Black from the 4th century, he was the real Robin Hood. Like he was a super gangster. You know what I mean? And then he had a moment where he shifted and he went on to evolve to a point to where he's a saint. Like you're going churches around the world. They got the picture of Ethiopian man,

like along with all the other saints that we know right there. So it's kind of like how their stories is running parallel. It's different. It's different. What was it like working with Cuevo? That was dope, man. Cuevo was dope. Whiz, skill of a page.

Yeah, well, you know, the thing is like for us, again, when I say like storytellers, people always, oh, rap and this, I'm like, oh, storytellers. It's just a different format. You know what I mean? And it's the type of project that I feel like everybody that was there would be for the right reason. So they were open to the process. You know what I'm saying? So it was just dope to see them do their thing.

You know, like Wiz has done some stuff before, but some of them were just getting feet, but that's not a poor, right? Because I know y'all super poor. Beat, where is cool? Are you sure? Should I throw a player? No, no. You know, I started in this arena.

I was like, y'all, I don't play that poor shit. Now, you know, the poorest king throwing flags every 10 seconds. It's just a strength. It's fun as a game, but we can't do that. Like, guys, come on, guys. It's just the English language, my good. You know, they do it now. I just, I really, shout out to Cam, shout out to everybody that started it.

I really never want to play it, but sometimes some of the things people say is like, it comes from the heavens above, it's like, geez, crazy. Oh my God, you can't. It's a lot of, it's a lot of lyrics from back of the days. Oh, tell me about it. I'm just saying if you want to go to that, it'd be a whole, you know. No, you can, it's, it's a whole, you know. It would be never in.

It's never in. If you do your research, it can go on and on and on. No, no, that's crazy. If you go to the back in the day's lyrics. But see, the culture don't change. The slang changes. So let me ask you to tell you.

Ooh, baby, I like it, bro. Is that like a pause, like mania? No, that's not a pause. That's just, like, crazy. We just knew ODB was crazy. So that went perfect with his persona. But in fairness, anybody like it wrong. Let's be honest.

That's a fact. That's a fact among those people. That's really from somewhere in the Bible is reworded. That's it. That's in there. They just put it different. You know, the actors and the industry and, uh, shout out my sister Tiana. She called me yesterday.

Shout out. She got you. She got you. She got you. You're fluid. You see how you. your brother, yeah, come on, man, don't do that. She got your fluidity.

You know what I'm saying? The guy over here. The guy over here. Yeah, I'm like, if I go to CBS, I got them with, I swear to God, they think I got Jada. Does that happen to you now in the street? They think I got Jada kiss with me. I'm in the CVS.

I can be in this summer. Where's Joe? You don't know fucking smokes a gods. They think he's just bringing them everywhere. I'm like, yo, bro, he's home. He's doing this thing. Like, what are you asking for? What, that came up?

way. If I ever call you on FaceTime, I charged them. Five thousand. You want to see Joe? You know, crack. I mean, I'll let you. There's somebody right there that gave me five racks. I changed my number for the first time in 30 years. Not because I was getting threats and nothing like that. What happened to me was I had friends that I truly love, that I loved, that I grew up with and stuff like that still had my number.

And any time they would call me at any time of the. day and it's always face time be like, yo, I told you he's here. I hate that shit. Like, no, no. It's a pet peeve. Like, by the way, my brothers, whoever got the number, the new, don't do it.

I'm ready to block you no matter how much I love you. I don't know. Y'all see what, y'all see what happened? They got the Netflix deal. Joe, where Hollywood on it. He switched his number. He switched his number on them, y'all. That's not what I'm saying.

No, I figure up. What I'm saying is, don't FaceTime nobody with no surprises. Chef Mark, my brother, one of my truest friends, my best friends in the world. Don't go to the random restaurant and bring out the chef on the air.

I might be topless. Yo. You know. That's flat. You know. There you go. So listen. That's flat.

Listen. You know, Puerto Rican's real top. What you call any of your Puerto Rican homies in the house, they never got a shirt on. Even when I call them. I'm keeping it real with you. They're topless, right? So, but, yo, chef, you know, it's like one of my best friends on earth.

When I ain't have a dollar, he, you know, he's always been there for me. I love him at death, but your chef, stop. Like, y'all got to stop calling me with, yo, I don't want that. That's one thing. I'm not. The face sounds being truive. I feel you on that, depending on. That ain't. They ain't like, just call.

What is it? You on the side of the road with it. Don't FaceTime. It should be less than something. FaceTime is great, but at the same time, it eliminates the mystery, right? Like, it's like, you can't disappear no more like that, right? Right? You could have disappeared, right?

You could have told somebody, yo, I'm in Miami. You can be down the block. They can't see you, right? I was like, yo, my man, what's up with the palm tree? be like, they know. That's why you can't all that location. You can fake it, though. Go right by the speaker.

I mean, Ken Koole with a white background. That's crazy. That's the one thing my wife hates about this set is the fake palm trees. Every time she bought to see me like, man, I'm fake palm trees. I be like, your mom, we need some fluidity. It's a motherfucker.

Could we get so real one? It's a field. My shit is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Don't fix it. We out here. He complimented the set when he came. He's like, yo, he's this, you know,

this. What he's playing son to you, man? Nah, I don't want to go bad. Omar has came in, he looked clean and all that. Don't, don't. This joint executive. You know I'm crazy, man. Y'all strike a man.

This executive produced by 50? Yeah, yeah. By 50, myself. Black excellence, for real. That's beautiful. It's breaking stress. One of my, one of my questions was black Hollywood in like the 90s. What was that like out there?

Who was coming up? And I mean, anybody you could think of me, you know, the friends, the car, Fox. It was a beautiful time. You know what I'm talking about? You know, it was so much love back in the day. Everybody had their little beef or whatever. But I just remember so much love back in the day.

Unity. Unity. Like real unity. Unity. Like, everybody was just. Fat Joe in the early 90s was in the Kwa'amay video. It wasn't a video. They called me up and be like, yo, come, I come.

Talking about the other kind of YouTube. I'm just saying I was, bro, when I came in the game, it was about love. It was about everybody jumping in everybody's video. Everybody loving each other, supporting each other and this. And somewhere where he's trying to say, I could tell you a hip-hop, it all started when people actually started making, money.

That's when that ego turned into like, yo, I'm better than you. I'm bigger than you. My shit bigger. Our crew is more rugged. Soon as they started handing over that bag, I watched the nicest pedestrians turned into gangbangers,

all type of things. I'm like, oh, this shit crazy. That's like, I guess it's a part of the process, right? I think when the bag comes into anything, then you get to see, you know, characters, you know, people got to give them a chance to grow and evolve too.

Because it's something you speak about a lot and I'm like, I can really relate to that. Like I've been around, I've seen I was young. So a lot of the older heads don't remember that was me, the quiet kid in the corner. I've seen you do that. I've seen this, I've seen that, and I'm just taking

notes the whole time and I've seen people talk to certain people or treat people a certain way look up in four years. They run in that company. And they treat you reasy and you wondering why and I'm sitting there like

that's probably because you used to shit on that person or whatever the case so it's just you know you learn living you learn in on you know for the younger generation they bag is it's almost like it's not fit it's like in sports right

we're happy for them but it ain't fair but I'm saying it ain't we happy for them but it ain't fit it ain't fair to them because if you coming in 18, not You know Too much money

Like when you're doing 500 a show 700 this show You're like You could feel the weight Of what you're earning If somebody just come off top Like yo

You're a hundred mill You see you're a teenager Or whatever Your parents don't even know You need some other You need some other You know what I mean We just have that

That lineage We never had that We could play Moses black But we wouldn't No You would go back a hundred years to see if somebody in my family got money. They ain't never

get money like this or how that. So this is all learning while you're growing. Right. You know, and with me, I had a lot of, like today. I cut somebody off. They had somebody after you, guess. I watched the shit. It was an amazing story. I found

out he was a rat. I said, yo, he can't come up here on this couch. That then can't come in here. Hey. He just can't. You can't come on this. couch. For my fluidity, right?

But what I'm saying to you is, this is years of developing these characters and going through mistakes and flaws and this, we ain't know nothing. You know what I'm saying? Because you know the beauty, Joe, not the country,

that we gave ourselves a chance to evolve and to learn as younger generation. They cutting themselves with the needs. It's like getting to this stage, It's a legible. It's a blessing. It's a blessing. You know what I mean?

Every single day. I don't know again. That's real. Every single day we wake up, we call each other. Yo, thank God we got another day. Right now at this point, Highway Robin. Right. So my wife and my daughter went out last night,

and I stood home by my, by the way, it feels good being home by yourself sometimes. This shit is incredible. He's doing. Email, female, what? I don't know. This shit, I go pause. Did you got the new chair?

Hold up. I got the new chair. Yo, listen, I got a new massage shit. It's so expensive. Don't try this at home. But I bought the motherfucker and I went up in there. Right? You went with me, man.

But listen, what I'm saying is, I like taking bath, so I've got the big jacuzzi. I'm by myself. I'm playing, I want to thank you. It's a pause moment. That's what he pre-pawed. He threw the flag early. Let's just get it out the way.

Let's get him out the way. Now you can tell the story in peace. We had to throw the flags. He already heard the bath. Melissa Morgan. Playing that shit up on there. Someone to thank you. Then I'm just looking at little shit like the light bulbs.

And the fucking marble with the, and I'm just like, God. Wow. Thank you. This is like fucking a minute. Like you said, we always chasing the check work, and we barely home then, George. And I'm looking at the light bulbs. That's real.

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It's amazing, man, to get to that point and still be trying to grow. Oh, yeah. And still, it's a lot of stuff. Like fat, Joe. I don't want to interview myself. They say, yeah, Joe, do too much. But I had to work on myself. I was a really bad guy.

a really bad guy and they knew it. And so they were scared of me. This whole fucking industry was terrified. And so what they do when they terrified of a guy, they block your blessings. And they're like, why would you, it's the same thing in the drug game.

I'm the connect. I'm El Chapo. I got a guy who's a nice guy who's nonviolent, who always turns his money in time. Now I've got another guy who might kill me for these bricks. Why would I want to make him powerful and feed him when I can keep dealing with, all right, so we can deal with

Fat Joe or you could deal with Lupe Fiasco. But you know what those jokes? But you know what though, Joe? You always had a good heart. I'll tell you a story that you probably don't even remember. I don't know. Speak on it, God. God bless when punhapper is packed.

Steve Rifkin called me one day. You was on the phone. He called me like a guy talks from you got so. Very, you know, sensitive moment. he was just like, yo, you know what to say and I'm like, all right. We got on the three, yo, you was really feeling it. Devastated.

You talked for a minute or whatever, but I was just like, damn. And I told you, I was like, yo, in a way, kind of like humanized, like hip-hop. Like, human stuff can happen to it. Because we all grew up. We all, like, we thought every rap is a superhero, like literally. Like, I heard y'all talk about this on there,

but I'm like, yo, as a little kid, nah, we really thought that. You know what I'm saying? And so something like health and things of that nature, and I remember me and you was talking about that. I only say that to say, you always had a good heart. You might have, you know,

does some things here and there, but I think that's why you continue to get blessed. You know what I'm saying? Because your heart was kind of like always in the right place. You follow what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, thank you, man, for that. Yeah, I got a good heart, huh?

Let me tell you something. Yeah, my heart was always in the right place. even when I grew up in the Bronx before rap music, it was always trying to help people and look out for people, but, you know, it's a man that's about, you know, I got a friendly past away.

Older white guy, my man, Kevin Buckman, rest and peace, with Mark of America. And we had these conferences where we talked to like 50,000 people and motivate them and stuff like that to be entrepreneur. So one day I sit in the back with him

and we talk in there. He was like, yo, Joe, tell me how you grew up. I said, yo, Kev, you don't want to know how I grew up. He was like, no, no, no, I'm interested because he was a big coach. I said, well, I sold a lot of drugs. I said, you know, I'm embarrassed. I'm actually ashamed of it.

And he said, you shouldn't. And I said, what you mean, Cap? He said, that was your natural habitat. You did what you had to do to survive. He said, you think if I ain't grow up in them projects in the Bronx, and the only way to get up out of there was selling drugs. I wouldn't have sold drugs.

This was shocking to me. He even thought like that, although we're not proud about it, but he was just like, yo, you dealt with what was thrown at you, with the cards that were thrown at you. You had to deal with that. Right.

And pretty much that's the story of my life. I think if I grew up in a better place and shit like that, I might have been. But we always say that. Even when we look at the old heads that was legends and all of that, we always be like, They grew up and went to Stanford and, you know, this dude could have ran a fortune 500.

You know what I mean? But he grew up in the peas over here. You know what I'm saying? I don't work or whatever. And that's what it was. And they were entrepreneurs just for the product that was available. It was there when it was given. You actually worked harder because you got your friends trying to kill you and come up.

You got the police trying to lock you up every day. Then you got the feds dealing, giving you the long term. That's the long term. term. 479,000 months. So you got that. They all be, yo, I was watching this documentary.

Remember Crazy Eddie? Yeah. The documentary, I'm like, yo, I remember crazy? Yo, that was crazy. Royces is insane. Yeah, they was insane. For real.

It was a whole operation. Eddie was moving shit. Him, Michael Milking, like, all these dudes, it's like, yo, they, you know, when they come to the black and brown community, they always try to put this stigma on us, but it's like when you turn the light on other communities,

anybody doing the same thing. You know what I'm saying? We just... We just... We just... We just... We just... ...not a family.

How was it big... Managing a household with you, a superstar actor, and your wife, a superstar singer, part of a superstar group down with a superstar label? Yeah.

Man, wifey, man, that's my world right there. We've been down so long, like, as far as I'm... knowing each other and going together and everything like that. So starting a family is just kind of like, she's, to me, more beautiful on the inside than the album. And that's what count.

And so to be able to have a family with her... Face is noise for that. You live in that little town? They told us about a little town in Georgia. Who? That wasn't you? Who? What was it?

Somebody, Pam. One of them told us they live in the Alphina, Georgia. Oh, no, no, no. Now, we out on the West Coast. Oh, man. That's probably where it started. I want to live in a little town one day. You're not going to fit.

Like big jacuzzi's big shit. I'll get that on the way home. Yeah, that was a good one. I'd be like, motherfucker fucking snipe. Right in my face. I get that on the way home. This thing's crazy. I've always dreamed of like, you know, when we go on tour

and we drive them buses all over, I'd be like, Damn, I would like to live in some shit like this. Nah, you want to have a, we might have a spot there. But listen, we city kids through and through. It is real. Right. You know what I bought a house in fucking, this shit is crazy. I bought a house with our first move to Miami.

I started hanging out with all these football players. And the football players, they live out west of plantation acres. He got big-ass houses. I mean, my house was big, and them next door neighbor's shit was three times bigger than my. Every guy on the block was a football player, right? So people riding horses and shit.

I'm coming from New York. You know what I'm saying? With the New York fluidity, I thought that's what I wanted. When I went there, man, middle of the night, you hear the... You got fucking possees of raccoons. I'm going to shoot the raccoons.

Possies, Nicky. Scullies on the dog. Come in. Like, yo, it was scullies. And on the window. I'm like, yo, get the fuck. They're like, yo, my man. Like, yo, raccoons ain't scared of nobody.

Yeah, raccoons. Just go bang on this shit, do whatever you. Listen. Yo, raccoons with scully's. Yo. That's crazy. I'm just trying to tell you the truth. In Miami.

They did not. Well, they could at least at some fires. Your motherfuckers don't give a fuck. Like, I'm banging on the window. Yo, yo, yeah. Trump, they're not scared. They'll go in your garbage right in front of you. Take what you did.

It is called plantation. They're a fucking dog. You didn't think about that? No, but you know, in Florida, people have, like, animals. Like, animals they're not supposed to have. Florida, wow. Yeah, Florida, wow. Wait, I'm mad.

That niggas just going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, you, what the, it's got a camel fucking or something? This shit out of control. Like, man. I'm scared the death. The only good thing about Florida, I got the Tony Monta.

Y'all, I was waiting for somebody. He's coming out. I had the big shit. Dementra. Say a load of my not. No, the stupid dumb, them shit. Man, somebody tried to break in that front door. I just couldn't wait, guys.

Well, Carrie. And all you guys that live in the legal gun state all got one of them shits by the door, wait for somebody to walk up in that bitch. I'd be like, Boy, they come up. I'm trying to. I can't wait.

Right now. Write the bell. I was right now. Terminated two. Come in. Feet you all you to fucking swimmer. Oh, shit. Yeah, but, you know, I mean, it was an experience.

But I always say I wish I could live in like a little town. Yeah. Yeah. I like visiting. But, you know, unless I'm on, like, Allen somewhere, like, when I travel the world, that's when I'd be like, man, I can pick up anything. Plus, what? My son and we are senior high school,

so we about to be empty nesters. Ah, so I'm already like, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Ready. You know what I mean? We could fly out of work wherever. Yeah, I'm ready. The island is nice.

As far as the bag, I know that's always lovely and a plus, but you still, do you have that same passion about acting? For sure, because it never leaves you and evolving, you know, deducing, writing. I'm going to direct one day, you know, just evolve and getting into the other parts of it,

not just, you know, in front of the camera. When I am in front of the camera, it's really something that I want to do. It's really how I want to spend my time. And I feel like... In front of the camera. Yeah, in front of the camera. You're an actor.

Yeah, being an actor. And it's, you know, the artist forever. This is a crap. I think you will much like, you know, writing, I think you get better in time because you live more. You got more range. You know what I mean?

So, you know, I'm excited about this next chapter. What are some of the Black Act's most iconic scenes? Mm. Hmm. That's a thing. I can't front you. Nobody's ever asked me that question ever. Ever.

I can't front. So I'm the first scene, I'm thinking, Sidney 40. It was basically the first time seeing, the black man smack a white man on camp. Damn. I seen that on the clip. I seen that in the heat of the night. I believe, yeah.

Yeah. It was just so jarring. You never seen that before. But that's also my acting hero. You know what I mean? Rest in peace. Sean, think of that.

There's so many scenes and do the right thing. I mean, like, we are four of them. I mean, that was a great question. Yeah, that was a great question. But that's the first one that comes in mind. Yeah. That was some of the actual love.

What's one of the most iconic scenes that you recall this? Same question for you. Kane's grandfather. Do you care whether you live or die? I don't know. Look at his face.

You can't, you know, your man, your man always got. You know, your man, I always got it revolve. The man, really talked for Balva. How was he looking at me, though? Now that was like,

it was amazing. My scene would be anybody looked at me. Oh. Anybody said something. Yeah. Anybody ever has some hated jealousy.

Fate of four. I'm a kill his dick. Yo, that's shit, man. You got it. That's good. Yo,

I feel. feel like that, like in real life. That was very powerful. That was very powerful. That was a great, great question. We really skated past Jews. We didn't give it enough praise. But to me, juice,

and that's why I said, we don't want to typecast you, whatever the case may be, you younghood. But that's an illmatic. That movie to me is like such an ill-mass. A classic.

You can watch it. It's timeless. You watch it whenever he comes on and whatever you catch it, you can watch it. You know it's the ill and shit with that. The guy at the end, you start working for BET. So every time we go to the BET Awards,

I see him at the end and tell him, you got their juice now. They're like, oh shit, that's really you. I met Tupak shortly after that. But I met. Tupac from Jules. I didn't meet that pop. Right.

Did you do underground and coming up after the juice? You met with a little bit of Bishop. And man, well, I'd tell you I was there. Big Daddy King confirmed the story. I'm in the crowd. Biggie and Park come in there. This is going to God and Gave. But they come through the back, through the crowd.

They're not coming through back. They walk through the crowd. And the man was full-flash juice, too pop. He was walking. through that crowd like, he was like, yo, it's pot. He was walking through like pot, like, and biggie with him. And that's when they do that. I got seven Mac 11s about eight.

That shit. That's legend. Legend of that. And it's ill because, like, the kids don't understand, like, before social media. They can't even comprehend. They don't understand, like, the magnitude when you say, like, coming to or whoever. I got so many memories of people like that.

That's the only. the time you saw them. So to see somebody in person. Only one hard drive. People went crazy bananas. Like all the video, you see Michael Jackson back in the days people. It was like that. But for us, you know what I mean?

They don't understand that. I mean, crowd, Chewok Choucault walked in like the juice. Yep. We had the scully like that. He was dressed just like this right now. was walked and then like, and I'm, even me, I knew him. I'm looking like, yo, that shit. You know, we know, you know what's crazy is my brother DJ Callie.

You know, one day I'm in the back y'all. I mean, your Calibney. God bless DJ Calib. I don't even know how to explain this shit to you, right? But I'm in the backyard with him. He said, you know, Joe, you're a star and this and this and that. He said, but it was nothing like watching you walk. in with big pun.

He said, you walking in with Big Pund, both of y'all together, he said that shit was like superheroes walking. See, yo, man,

y'all too used to walk in like Joe and Pond. You know what I'm saying? Certain people got that presence. Yeah. You know, where you got that superhero presence.

Yeah. You know, I don't want to say five, but give me five albums. That inspired you. Yeah, artists and now. It ain't got to be the top five and we start. Herboutique.

Well, I don't know. It's not his. That's yours, beloved. This is your dog. I don't like the five and the three. It's a lot. You kind of got to do errors. Yeah, I'm saying top five.

You got to do like errors. I think errors is more fit. Because like the first time, I remember the first time I heard, ain't no half stuff. On the radio. The first time. I heard that beat,

I wanted to jump through the wall. We never heard nothing like that book. It was like, what is that? You know what I mean? And then by the time a video came out and all it is, you saw something. Video music box. I was for hire.

Right? I was for hire. I was a terrible guy and I grew up with violence. And if you wanted people beat up whatever you were. Mercenary, Joe? Yeah, you come pick up fat Joe and me, right? Real talk. You know.

Mercenary Joe. That's the name of the movie. They come. That's it. They come and say, Fat Joe, I'm going to buy you three beard Jordans and the Pele. I need you to put in this work. And I would jump in the up there and they say the guy with the red shirt, anything in the world, I jump out there like clash of the type.

That's what I did. Right? First guy I met. I'm not saying a hip man. Let's eliminate that. One day, my reputation got out there so much. And he's my brother, this guy named Scarface Steve. He's the first kingpin I ever met.

And so he came in my block looking for me at the Cherry Red 300 with the wide-body kit. And the reason I'm telling you this story is I'm a bum, okay? Like, I don't know if these people understand. I'm a bum. I was tough, but I had $2 in my pocket. if that might have been one. Right? So he comes pick me up.

You know, you're thinking he's changing your life. That's like E.F. Hutton or some shit, right? So he pull up, yo, Fat Joe, yeah, yo, getting the call. I'm looking at the whole project for Block like, yo, this nigga can't get me in this fucking cherry red bass. And I locked the door. He had a white popped out of the group. And the shit just said,

On and on and on. Ain't no half stepping. And the knees start driving north. You know how the dogs be in the car where they be having their head for the wind? I got my face out of that window. And I made them drive me 10 times around the projects. Oh, on in all right?

No. Yeah. Man, that's your sake. That should change my. life right there, man. Shout out to Steve, man. You're 50.

Oh, shit. Listen, that ain't no half stepping. His joints like that. You're right. It's Everest. It's a big night Marauders album.

Woo! Oh, my goodness. Talking about it the other day. When I was talking about it yesterday, Midnight Marauders album, same thing. Yo, we drove around. We drove back to Queens.

It's like one in the morning. We hit date. like just back to back to just listening to the album like, yo, this is the most incredible you know, moments like that. The music is just the music and the people

making the music. You understand what I'm saying? The artist that's driving it. What we're doing for not only ourselves and our family but what we're doing for this culture that we were bestowed sort of passed on to us. You know what I mean?

And I think, you know, We still in it, but we left it in great shape from the jungles. They wanted it up right now. Crazy. Yeah, they just got to come outside to the yard. But listen, your kiss, listen, you ever went to somebody's neighborhood?

Like, you love an artist, and you had to go there? Like, you didn't know them yet. Rapids, and you was like... No, I wasn't one of them, niggas. I'm coming to Y.I.L. All right up there. I was into the baby, maybe the...

version to see if you see have or something. I wasn't. I drove the Jayze. Hopefully I see you. I drove. See you and Fordham or the concourse or so. Not real shit. We wasn't, I shit was four. I shit was like

125th, 145th Jew man. Fordham. That was the St. Then it was like Paramount Bronx. You guys are like connected to the Bronx. Yonkers is like a part of the Bronx.

It's connected, literally. Yeah, yeah, I know. After the Bronx, you keep going, his Yonkins. Yeah. I never forget. I had my man. He was running the Bronx. He's in jail, 46 years.

But he lived, his crib was on the low Yonkis. Man, I fucked up, man. We did, it was the Source Awards. The Source Awards were his Shug Night Dispuff Daddy and all that shit, and outcast one. So I gas the nigga. He had. the new 500 bends.

It was like, yo, pull it out. It was like, nah, Joe, this, I mean, the big shit that pun used to, but I'm in talking about

a year before someone seemed one humanly possible and I was gas in the nigga, yo, we got to pull up, saw some more, yo,

man, we got on that highway, we crashed that fucking Benz on the way to that fucking that nigga wanted to kill me.

Paralization. Yo, fat boy, you made me crash this shit. Because it was like, You know, it's almost like a road, like, you know, that shit like you driving a boat. Them Joyce was heaven. Nobody had them shit.

This shit was only, if you had a 300, you was the main man. A 500 big body shit crashed up on the side of that shit from your, oh, my God. I thought he was going to kill me. Then we had to go and get a regular car and just go to the Sorcer Awards that day. But that shit went, you know, I remember gasing them. You know, hey, it's good to know. you have different levels of that life. You know what I'm saying?

You got to always remember those things when you had to ask your man to jump at his whip and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? That's a big deal, right? I'm pulling up the source awards. I'm like, yo, she's going to be crazy, man. We need to fight.

A man told me 30. Never made it. Boy. That's what it was crazy. Never would have made it. Never would have made it. We fought out. Where could they catch Moses the buck?

Moses Black is in theaters. Let's go, man. Let's get your ass out of your crib. Go to the theaters. Pay for some tickets, you know what I mean? Support our people. How soon until it gets in like the streaming apps and on them? By the time this episode comes out, it's in theater.

No, it's in theaters. Yeah. I'm going to go to the app shortly. They got to see these guys, yo, we got a hard out. Yeah. This shit right here got to come out because the movie out because that's shit to be in the taxi. and Z. Bridge before you know this shit.

Yeah, no. It is... You know, we're talking about the theater. You know, we talk about the theater. It's about the experience. You know what I mean? It's going to see not only with your peoples, but people you don't know,

y'all reacting to the same person. You know, I'm two months straight, no cause. You see me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the theater get me back into that Diet Coke, that popcorn. You got a...

Absolutely. You know the shit You can eat popcorn no butter Yeah, but it's a car You know, I ain't been fucking a car But yo, the movie theater We need everybody to go in there To the movie theater

Go support Moses the Black You're on that Marty Supreme And you're going to all that other shit Yeah We need you All right, before we leave I know it's time for you to go

But how proud are we of Tiana Taylor man Incredible. Incredibly proud, man. Tiana, you know, she's from the town, but she is ridiculously talented. She always has been. And it's just so dope to see her get her just do and get these opportunities

because she only getting started. You know what I mean? She's looking like Viola Davis and all on me now, and she's young. She young. So I'm like, you know, I feel like she's moving AI. It's only one of her. It's just dope to see her get her just do

and get those opportunities. And because she, she hitting home runs every time. So salute to Tiana. We're proud of you. Love you. We're proud of her too. Yo, this ain't that. That ain't this.

Cracking kiss. Make some noise for all my abs blade. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for pulling up his six-degree weather. Oh, shit, real out there.

It ain't none. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

Nice. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick.

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