The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Joe Burrow, Warriors, Matt Rhule, NFL draft

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Colin explains why it's ridiculous to compare Joe Burrow to legendary players, his thoughts on the rumored rift between Kevin Durant & Steph Curry, why Matt Rhule's recent comments were about Cam Newton, and his NFL mock draft. Guests include Peter Schrager, Andrew Whitworth, John Middlekauff, and Herm Edwards. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I will give you my mock draft. First 12 picks thought a lot about it. My mock draft in one hour. I've read everybody else's. My former employer doesn't allow their people to have trades in the draft, which I think is absurd because I've got a big one, which I think is going to happen. And Joy Taylor is joining me today.

Joy, how are you? I'm good. So you are going to have a little bit of movements in your draft. Yes, yes. I think it's ridiculous. to say, well, there's not going to be any trades. There's going to be trades. Teams move up to get quarterbacks.

Ten of the last 14 first round quarterbacks, somebody's moved up to get them because they want them. And there's somebody else that wants them. So we are going to have a trade early in this draft, not only in my mock draft, but we're going to have one. And I think it's obvious where it's going to happen. So let me just start with this. So I think all these quarterbacks are fine.

I think Tua, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Jordan loving. Jordan loves a little more of a prospect, but he's going to be good. They're all going to work in this league. It's going to be time tables. Lamar Jackson had to wait 11 games to start. Baker and Sam Darnold, you know, they started them right off the bat. It's going to take time. Josh Allen was pretty bumpy early, but now it looks to be really good.

So I saw this yesterday, and it's just, you think I'm criticizing Joe Burrow here. I'm defending him and remember that for the next seven minutes. Boomer Asiason, former NFL quarterback, compares Joe Burrow to LeBron James. Okay. So we got Daniel Jeremiah, my buddy, compared him to Brady, an NFL scout anonymously compared him to Peyton Manning, Joel Clack compared him to Joe Montana, and Boomer Ossiocent's comparing him to LeBron James. Two words. Good hell. He is none of those. Those are legends.

First of all, when it comes to legends, most, not all, but most have a physical gift. they look different or they have a skill that's different. Russell Wilson never gets hit. Eight years running around. He is uniquely mobile. He is a legend. Brett Farve had one of the best arms in league history. Joe Namath, one of the best arms in league history.

They have a skill. They have something, a physical trait. It's often, LeBron James, look different. Tiger Woods was driving the ball. They had to change courses for Tiger Woods. So most legends, Trevor Lawrence to me, has a chance to be a legend. Clemson quarterback, 6-6, rifle, huge arm, huge hands, massive physical frame. That's what legends look like at 19 years old.

Joe Burrow is 6.3 and a half, 2.15, kind of a skinny neck. They say average arm. It's not a special arm. His hand size is nine. That's below ideal hand size. He's not physically blowing you away. John Elway walked into this league. First year in the league, strongest arm.

Brett Farp, strongest arm. Aaron Rogers walked in. Dan Marino walked in. Pal, I went to a party one time. I know this is a strange name drop. The late Hugh Hefner. He had the Hefts Mansion in like, you know, real ritzy part of Los Angeles, right?

So I got invited to a party, and there was all sorts of like stars there. Peyton Manning towered over the crowd. Peyton Manning is six, five. If you ever see Peyton Manning in person, he's 6'5, big head, big shoulders, big butt, he's a big man. There were all sorts of boxers and celebrities there. Peyton, you could see him from 50 feet away. Peyton Manning was big.

Tom Brady in person, 6'5. You ever bumped into Tom Brady? Tom's huge. The average American man's 5'10. Tom Brady's 7 inches taller. He's big. He's got big hands. He's got a big butt.

These are big athletes. Most legends, LeBron, look different. Tiger, look. Magic was a six, nine and a half point guard. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was running up and down the court at UCLA. They wouldn't let freshmen play. He walked into UCLA. The Bruins were the national champions.

Kareem Abdul, he was Lou Al-Sendry at the time, walked in to UCLA. He was longer and stronger and faster than all the other players who had just won the national championship. He led the freshman team to a 30-point route at UCLA over the national championship. champions the previous year. He was physically different. Wilt was physically different. Magic. LeBron. Michael Jordan. Well, he was a lay. So let's just start with that. The physical dimension.

He doesn't have it. He is a he's Tony Romo. He's a pro athlete, but he's not physically impressive. The second thing is that it took him years to produce. He only produced in college, not even at LSU, because he didn't produce at LSU as junior year. He only produced when everything went wrong. Right. Legends produce despite obstacles. He wasn't good as junior year at LSU. They had all these NFL players. He wasn't any good. He completed 57% of his throws at LSU. Tua was great. Day one. National Championship game. Great day one. That's what Legends do. Justin Fields, Ohio State sophomore. Great. Best player arguably in the Big Ten is a sophomore. Do you realize only six players in the first round will probably be seniors? great jumps off the television screen early. You don't sit around and wait for everything to line up perfectly. Then you lead it to winning. Again, Joe Burrow, you think I'm ripping him.

People are calling him a legend. He's not physically elite. And he didn't pop until his final year in college. That's not the way legends work. There's only one comedian in the history of comedy that was a late starter, Rodney Dangerfield. John Stewart, Bill Maher, the Dennis Millers, the Steve Harbys. These guys were like 17, 18, 19, 20, and had agents and scouts all over them, and were popping. Jerry Seinfeld, Jay Leno, Chris Rock, they didn't hit at 42.

They didn't hit it 38. At 21 years old, Andre Agassie, tennis, Serena Williams, it's 12. You don't wait. They don't grow into, Kevin Garnett was like 16 years old and people are like, he's the next great thing. Ron was 15, the chosen one. Bryce Harper, cover of Sports Illustrated, 16. So legends look different. And legends don't grow into it.

Well, what about Tom Brady? There are exceptions, but it should be noted. Brady physically is way bigger than the average NFL quarterback. You put Brady next to Aaron Rogers. Tom is significantly bigger. And Aaron's great. He is significantly bigger than Aaron Rogers. He stands next to DAC.

He's bigger. He's a six, five and a half quarterback Brady who got drafted by the major leagues in high school. He is a special athlete. You just, you know, you look at Lamar or a Russell Wilson. He doesn't add up there physically as a speed guy. So here's another thing to remember. So physically, he doesn't look like a legend. Secondly, he popped only when everything lined up for him.

But here are the players taken of all the current starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Here are the quarterbacks taken as the first quarterback in their draft of the current starters. Kyler Murray, Baker, Mayfield, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Mitch Trubisky. Here are the current starting quarterbacks in the NFL taken as the second quarterback in the draft they were in. Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rogers, Drew Breeze, Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Philip Rivers. A lot more wins. Why? Because Joe Burroughs not going to have the kind of coach Mahomes does.

or Wence does, or Breeze, or a Rogers. When you go first, you go to a worse team, a worse owner, a worse GM, and generally a worst scouting department. So Burrell's going to have a major disadvantage, not to mention he enters a division now, which is stacked defensively. He enters a division against the Rooney family in Pittsburgh. Steve Boshadhi owns the Ravens. Those are two of the top five ownership groups in the NFL.

What does that mean? They hire better coaches. they have better scouts, they have better executives, they have better organizations. If you go back 20 years, 20 years, and you take the Ravens and the Steelers seasons. So if you go back 20 years, take two NFL teams, that's 40 total seasons, right?

Four times the Steelers or Ravens have been below 500. The Bengals in four years have been below 500 four times. Burroughs not a legend. He's not physically a legend. Legends don't wait forever to pop. Don't give me this Michael Jordan. He got cut from his high school team as a freshman. Michael Jordan was a McDonald's All-American who got recruited by at the time the most notable coach in college basketball, Dean Smith.

Dean Smith was bigger than Coach K when Michael came out. And then Michael won a national title as a freshman at Carolina. And then broke into the NBA and was a blizzard offensively, a relentless tiger, a blizzard you couldn't stop him. players couldn't get along with him coaches he got him fired but he was relentless Larry Byrd couldn't stop him the pistons couldn't stop him now he couldn't carry the bulls over those

teams but they couldn't stop him so these oh my lord we've got him stacked up as Peyton Manning and LeBron James and it's just so unfair he's going to be a nice NFL player we got to take a deep breath

on Joe Burrell he's been compared to Brady Peyton Manning. LeBron James and Joe Montana. Give me a break on this stuff. He's going to be Tony Romo. No titles. Good Kid. Works Hard.

Gets his brains beat in by better organizations in the same division. All right. Coming up next, finally a criticism of Tua from Nick Saban. And it's the smartest thing I've heard yet. He makes a lot of sense. It's a legitimate criticism. Am I concerned? No, but it's a legitimate criticism. And I totally buy into it, and nobody would know better than Nick Savenment.

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days of weather max. When anybody's trying to do a seven day forecast, by the end of it, they're just making crap up. They don't know. You get about three days into a forecast, then it's like educated guessing. I feel the same way with the draft. I can do 10 to 12 picks. I feel really certain about. After that, it's just guessing. I mean, when you get to the late, by the second round, nobody has a clue. I watch all these mock drafts. You're just making crap up. So I don't want to just make it up. My buddy Peter Schrager does every round of under the draft. And by the way, I'm fascinated by that. He's going to join us in 10 minutes. But the accuracy obviously dips the further away you get from the elite teams with elite players

or bad teams with absolute specific needs and great potential college players. So you know I like Tua, but I do think the medical stuff is, it's worrisome. I've said before, I see Drew Brees, a left-handed. I think he's bizarrely accurate. I think he's an unbelievable leader. And if you asked me to sum up Drew Breeze in two words, I would say accuracy and leadership. I think too is that. But Tua's got an injury and it's real and it's scaring teams. Should be noted, Drew Breeze's injuries, early scared teams. The Miami Dolphins today still regret it. So are they going to pass on Tua if he's available, pass on Breeze and Tua? I would have a hard time doing that if I was down in Miami. So, but Nick Saven knows him better than anybody because he recruited him.

He spent two, three years recruiting him out of high school, then he lands him, then he has him for three years. They're very tight. And Saban offers a criticism of Tua that I think is incredibly valid and something I'm not sure you can correct. Most of his injuries here have occurred when he extends plays and he does not give up on the play and it's because he's a great competitor. And you certainly, you know, don't want to inhibit that spirit in any way, shape, or form. But there's also a time to be smart. Both ankle injuries that he got and even his hip injury this year were all because, you know, he was trying to make a play when the play had broken down. And it really, there wasn't anything there. And to throw the ball away sometimes is okay.

Now think about this. Nick Sabin's a great coach. He couldn't coach that out of him. Okay. Nick Saban's better than 99% of the guys coaching in the NFL. He may not be Andy Reid or Sean Payton. Maybe he is. Or Belichick. Maybe he is. But he's better than almost everybody on the planet coaching, and he couldn't coach that out of him. And I've said this before. I've ever had a therapist for, you know, I don't now currently, but I've had in my life gone to therapy. And the last therapist I had said something that really stuck with me. I think I told this the joy before. Change is hard if you wanted to change. Most people don't want to. That people tend to revert back who they are in a time of crisis or when they're challenged. When the pocket collapses, this is

who two is. He's a playmaker. Can you coach it out of him? Baker Mayfield. People are like, You know, he's just a little cocky. This is who he is. You've got to own it, know it, accept it, and build around it. Kirk Cousins, I've had two people inside the Vikings organization, tell me he gets anxious in big spots. He's a teeth clencher. That's who he is. Build a formula around him that can overcome that innate DNA quality.

Tom Brady is better in the fourth than the first quarter. That's who he is. You can't teach that. Brett Farv is a classic example. We all have a default mechanism, right? We all have something we go to in a crisis. And Brett Farv had one of, if not the greatest NFL arm I've ever seen. It was way up there with Elway Marino.

He just had a cannon. And it was his default mechanism. Because Brett Farv's arm had saved him in so many instances, high school, college to pro, that any time there was an issue, Brett was like, okay, this is my de facto out. I am going to let a rip. He leads the NFL all-time interceptions. He is also one of the greatest players in league history. But that's innately who Brett is.

You could not coach that sort of mindset out of him. Oh, crap, here I am in trouble. I can squeeze that thing in there. That's who he was. And you have to build around that gunslinger mentality. Tua pocket collapses. His innate response, I'm moving. I'm a playmaker.

Nick Saban couldn't coach it out of him. And Nick Saban's a top five coach in the world of football. So Andy Reid's talked about this. I find what you are and I heighten and elevate what you are and try to never ask what you're not. So the criticism by Saban is interesting. Is to abound to get hurt in the pros because he has this quality that Nick couldn't coach out of him.

And if Nick can't coach it out of him, could an Anthony Lynn, could a Brian Flores. It's interesting. It's smart. It's something to think about. I will. And here's Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, the Patriots are going to have to adapt to a new normal this year without Tom Brady under center. But Bill Belichick isn't too worried about getting the offense ready for a new starting quarterback. Everything we did, every single decision we made in terms of major planning. was, you know, made with the idea how to make things best for Tom Brady. Now, that being said, you know, we've had several situations where we had to play and we knew Tom wasn't going to be the quarterback, so that would go back to Castle and Jimmy and Jacoby and, you know, situations like that.

And so I don't really see that change. And whoever the quarterback is, we'll try to make it as make things work smoothly and efficiently for that player and take advantage to his strength and his skills. So it's Jared Stidham and Brian Hoyer right now for the Patriots. All right. Whoever that quarterback is, is what he said. Yes. They have the 23rd pick in the draft, and there is some rumblings that the Patriots

may be a team to watch for in this year's draft to make a big move and possibly take a quarterback or stay there and take a quarterback that's available at the 23rd spot. We'll talk about what's going to happen in the offseason training in a few minutes, but I don't know about the Patriots this year. I know everyone feels really comfortable because it's Belichick, and he's widely considered the greatest NFL coach of all time, and, you know, he's the legend in the hoodie, and I get all that. But you have to look at all the circumstances surrounding the AFC East this year.

It's an advantage for every other team in the AFC East right now, except for the Dolphins and the Patriots. So if you look at the Jets, like they're coming back. we were expecting them to be a little bit better than they were last year because Sam Donald's not going to have mono assuming this year. The bills are going to be in the best position because not only were they in the playoffs last year, but they're coming back with the same coach and quarterback. Belichick is going to have a different quarterback and the dolphins are going to have a different

quarterback. And now they could stick with Ryan Fitzpatrick at the beginning, which would still give them kind of a slight edge over New England, even with Brian Hoyer, because I think Fitzpatrick is better at this point than Brian Hoyer is. So really, if you look at the current situation, like the state of the world, they are behind it when it comes to this position, no matter what decision they choose to go with. Thank you.

By the way, Belichick is now calling him Stid. You know, Tom Brady, he couldn't give a game ball to. He's already calling Jared Stidham Stid. It's already his guy. Very frustrating. Well, I mean, is he called him Tommy. Tommy. Tommy's kind of his nickname. Stid is interesting.

Stid. Go and follow the Brady way and get that. Yeah, Stid. You know, get that taken care of legally, so you can put that on shirts. So Christian McCaffrey sticking with the Panthers long term. reportedly signed a four-year contract extension with Carolina worth 64 million. Congratulations.

He'll average 16 million a year, which makes him the highest paid running back in the league. Zheel Elliott is number two. With 15 million a year. Now, this seems like a lot for a running back, obviously not a whole lot more than Ezekiel Elliott, but this is still a lot of money, but this is the state that the Panthers are in. This doesn't surprise me at all. I felt like there was like a very, kind of an overreaction to the, contract, the Panthers have to pay someone.

Why wouldn't they pay the best player on their team? And who is going to be, at least for the next two years, the face of the franchise? He's also a great receiver. So you're talking about a guy that's a, you know, he's a massively, he's a massively productive player. It's like, you know, that's such a valuable thing. Like Adrian Peterson was a great running back, but he fumbled too much and he wasn't a good pass catcher.

McCaffrey is, he could actually put him in a slot and have him be like Julian Edelman. So he's so productive. He's also all football. And Matt Rule said during a discussion yesterday, he goes, we want to have, we want to really be all football now. Translation, the guy that we just let go at quarterback wasn't all football. So McCaffrey is, along with Teddy Bridgewater, no drama, all football.

And I think this is the direction the new owner wants and the new coach wants, all football guys. That's exactly what I was going to say. That's clearly the new direction of the Panthers. McCaffrey became the third running back in NFL. history to eclipse a thousand yard mark in both rushing and receiving in 2019. And he's fifth all time in franchise history already in rushing yards with 2,920 rushing yards in three seasons. Incredible player.

Finally, the NFL and the players union have reportedly agreed to a virtual and voluntary offseason program. Teams can begin Monday, April 20th, but no on-field work will be allowed until all 32 facilities can be opened. Each team gets three consecutive weeks of virtual period work consisting of classroom instruction, workouts, and non-football educational programs. And an extra veteran minicamp will also be available for new coaches. The virtual period ends no later than May 15th, and all off-season programs must be completed by June 26. They can also send players' workout equipment and monitoring devices, provided the cost doesn't exceed $1,500 for each individual player.

They're basically putting together a program that is supposedly fair for every single team. Because as we know, different parts of the country are being affected by the coronavirus in very different ways and some dramatically. So if you're a team, say, in New York or a team in Carolina, you're going to be affected in different scenarios. And there's different restrictions for each state. So in order to make it fair for everyone, you can't have, you know, a team in a state where there are much more lax rules for gatherings and for others. So basically they just put together a blanket virtual program for everyone right now. And, you know, everyone's going to have to deal with the same circumstances as far as that goes. Good stuff, Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly news. 30 minutes from now, my mock draft, I'll do the top 12 picks. It's so much fun doing this. Plus, after our mock draft at the top of the next hour, Rams is going to get a lot of Hall of Fame votes. Left tackle, Andrew Whitworth, very smart guy, former LSU Tiger is going to be joining us.

His thoughts on what's going to be a tremendous offensive tackle class. People are saying six tackles taken first round, four could be taken in the top 12, 15 picks. With that, Peter Schrager, joining us now, sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. You know, I said this to start my show. Joe Burrell was compared yesterday by Boomer Osias and the LeBron James. He's been compared to Joe Montana, Peyton Manning.

and I think it's ridiculous. I don't think he's physically elite. I think he's got smaller hands and average arm. I think he's going to be a nice quarterback, but he's also going to an organization that doesn't win in a division with great owners and great coaches and great rosters that is hard to dig yourself out from. So when you talk to all your sources, Shregs,

are they more this kid's going to be a legend or are they closer to me? He'll be a nice NFL player. They're saying he's the cleanest wide receiver prospect. I'm sorry, quarterback prospect in this draft. But I thought to one coach who was like, I like Tyler Murray more. And I thought to another coach and I like Trevor Lawrence more. So every year you can't have a LeBron James. You know, it's not like LeBron James is generational.

But that said, what LeBron did for the city of Cleveland, what LeBron did in the state of Ohio, I see a similarity off the field. But no, Joe Burrough is not Andrew Luck or John L.A. Joe Burrow is not Peyton Manning, or at least he's not viewed that way as a draft prospect coming out. That said, he can do something for that market and for that franchise that would put him in that status. If the Bengals suddenly became a team that wins playoff games and challenges for division titles, and who knows, eventually gets to a Super Bowl again, then Joe Burrough is in that conversation. And Boomer Ossison's comparison to LeBron would be what he did for the city of Cleveland.

But no, this isn't some superhuman athlete, and this certainly isn't the best quarterback prospect we've seen in recent years. By Atua yesterday, Nick Saban said, listen, the reason he gets hurt, he is a playmaker. And, you know, I'm sitting there thinking, as great as Brett Farve was, his default mechanism was, I got a great arm, it's going to save the day. People are what they are. And when a pocket collapses, quarterbacks do what they do. It's innate. It's in their DNA. Farve's arm. Got him in a lot of trouble.

Got him out of a lot of trouble. Is it possible to people you talk to worry that Tua, this is who he is. He gets hurt because he sees himself as a playmaker. That's his default move. Colin, I haven't said this anywhere. I've almost been waiting to say to you, and it's nothing against the kid. But the more I look into Tua with these teams, as we get closer to the draft, more of the teams that have quarterbacks that I wouldn't go near Tua. And I say, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean to say?

this coronavirus situation put such a red flag on the injuries. And then you start wondering he's six feet tall. You know, he's got four NFL wide receivers out there. He's got, you know, Jedrick Wills is going to be a top 10 NFL picket, tackle. He's got the Sabin. He's got to be, everyone's picking apart Tua right now. And there's no way for Tua to really answer those critics because they can't get them in the room. So you're doing stuff over Skype as opposed to getting a chance to actually work out,

Tua, a chance to look at Tua at a pro day where you are present and a chance for your doctors to really check out on them. What I'm saying, I haven't said anywhere yet, everyone's got Tua in the top five and maybe six of the Chargers. I think six is where I would place him right now, but there is a chance that Tua takes a little slip in this thing, and it's because of the last two months, not because of what he's all about or about his character, but it's because these teams want to see him up close, and it's a great, great barrier to not be able to get your hands on Tua and have your doctors give him a personal physical and a personal medical examination in the weeks leading up to the draft. I'm not sure where Tua goes right now. And yes, he is a

playmaker and he tries to make plays. But that's led to multiple ankle injuries. That's led to a hip injury in a game that they were up by 30 points, that there's questions of why he was even in the game. I don't know, Colin. I was so high on Tua about a month ago. And I think a lot of teams were at the combine. I'm not sure if this guy is still looked at the same way as he was even three weeks ago. Wow, that's interesting. You know, we think of the Raiders, and we look at them and we kind of roll our eyes because of what they've been.

But if you go back to their draft class last year, Schrager, the Raiders rookie rankings, their rookies were number one in scrimmage yards, scrimmage touchdowns, rushing yards, receptions, and sacks. The first team since the 1970 merger that had

seven rushing touchdowns, seven receiving touchdowns by rookies in the first 10 games of the year. The Raiders aced the draft. They had fifth rounders and fourth rounders having incredibly productive years, 10 sacks, 60 catches. What do we credit that to? I mean, why did the Raiders, we all rolled our eyes at the AB mess. They nailed the draft. How? Why? Well, here's Mike Mayock's first draft. And when I spoke to him before the draft, he said, I'm looking for franchise cornerstones. And I'm like, okay, well, everyone is. He's like, no, I'm looking for guys who were captains in college

and played at great programs and can make an impact and really build around. So you look at that. Cleland Farrell went forth overall. Nobody. I'm talking nobody. Mel Kiper, myself, Daniel Jeremiah, had this guy in the top 10. He went fourth overall. He was a franchise cornerstone, a Clemson defensive end.

Then you get Jonathan Abram, who didn't play at all last season, but was a vocal leader. Josh Jacobs, Alabama. And then you get Max Krosby, who was the best player at his school. Hunter Renfro, we've been watching for 100 years. They've got so many guys, Trayvon Mullen, a corner. There's so many picks, and they went from big programs, and they got guys that were leaders and captains. They have the 12th and the 19th overall pick in this draft. From everything I'm hearing, there's a chance at C.D. Lamb, who everyone pretty much looks at as the number one wide receiver in this draft out of Oklahoma.

He could slip to 12. Well, that would be a bargain right there at 12. 19. You're talking about a possible Patrick Queen from LSU, who's a great linebacker. Kenneth Murray from Oklahoma, a great linebacker. C.J. Henderson, a great corner. they're going to nail it again with the 12th and the 19th fix. And we're going to look back on this Khalil Mack trade that everyone killed them for

for 24 months. I mean, clobbered them. And you're going to say, wow, they picked up five, six, seven different players out of those two drafts. They're going to be franchise cornerstone. I think Mayak and Gruden cleaned up last year. Remember, this team was six and four and tied with the chiefs in the AFC West going into week 12 last year. They fell apart because they were all rookies and they were young.

I think the Raiders are going to be really good when we get. back for football. And I think that class from last year was built with guys that are going to be franchise builders. A great draft class. You're absolutely right. You know, you make a great point. We crushed the Raiders for Khalil Mack. And in the end, it's how they are rebuilding their franchise. Jimmy Johnson trades Herschel Walker and people say he's out of his gourd. It built the dynasty of the Cowboys. It doesn't happen without that deal. So we have to be, we have to acknowledge as broadcaster sometimes. We hyperventilate when you lose a star, but the Raiders have come out the winner so far on the Khalil Mack deal. Yeah, and Colin, Colin, they pick, they pick Kalil Mack

$20-something million in Chicago. The entire rookie class that you just mentioned, or I just mentioned, they might make $20 million total. That's why sometimes these star players are traded and everyone says, well, what are you doing? How do you trade a guy like that? Because there's a salary cap and because we need to fill other positions on our team and because we're a 4 and 12 team whatever with Khalil Mack. I think an interesting team, everybody's got a favorite team or two

as a media person that you grew up liking or whatever. And I grew up in Seattle, so I watched the Seahawk drafts, but I love the Jets. I know the GM Joe Douglas, you know him very well, and I love Sam Darnold, who I know well. And I think if they get a starting left tackle and a starting corner with their first two picks, I think they're a playoff team. I think CJ

Mosley's coming back. I really do believe this. They were a very interesting team at the end of last year. And now Tom Brady's out of the division. And I think the Patriots are in a little bit of a rebuild offensively. So you're close to the Jets. It feels like to me it's guaranteed. Left tackle first pick.

Your thoughts? It's a great draft crop for what the Jets need and where they're drafting. And what I mean by that is at the 11th overall pick, they're going to be players available at dire positions of need at very, very high talent level. So I'm with you. I think no matter what, and I would put this out there in print and I'll put it on your show. No matter what, I think the Jets go offensive line with that 11th pick.

Yeah. And that is including guys like C.D. Lamb and Jerry Judy and Henry Ruggs all being on the board, even if they're there at wide receiver and the Jets need wide receiver. But because of the depth at the wide receiver position this year in the draft, and it is so rich, I think the Jets are going to get one of the following four offensive linemen. And you mentioned them four might go in the top 12. I think the order I see it as is this. Tristan Wirthes out of Iowa,

Jedrick Wills out of Alabama, Mackay Beckton out of Louisville, and the guy that is sneaking up draft boards that has been on the radar all along, but is back up in that conversation, is Andrew Thomas out of Georgia. I think this kid, Andrew Thomas, plays guard or tackle.

Don't be shocked if he ends up going top 10 and before one of those top three guys because he might be the safest offensive line prospect in this draft. And at 11, the Jets are going to get one of those four guys. I'd be shocked if all four of those guys are taken before them. Shrags, you're so good. Good morning football. He's on that show on the NFL network that's been off for a while.

It's back on. He does a great job for us. My buddies always text me after you're on. They love Shregs. Great stuff. I'm so into the Jets. It's really an obsession now. I can't wait.

Shreger, by the way, it should be noted. Gave me Joe Douglas's number. That's what a good friend is. When you give me phone numbers for GMs and I can annoy them, You're my friend. Shreger, thanks, buddy. Yeah, and when you give me Coach Mike Shoshchewski's number, we'll call it a deal. Thanks, my man. All right.

Great job, all right. Great job by you, Shraggs. All right, listen. Listen, I'm very excited. The top of the hour I give you my mock draft. Please watch. You can rip it to shreds, whatever you want to do, and Andrew Whitworth. But coming up next, Ethan Strauss does a very good job writing and covering the NBA and the Warriors.

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And I've never done one. And today I'm going to do top 12 picks in the draft. I feel strongly about it. And I do have a major trade. And I think it's an obvious one. And so I'll roll the dice on that. So Ethan Strauss writes and covers the NBA for the athletic. He reminds me a lot of the baseball guy, Tom Verducci.

He writes long columns, digs very deep, and he always gives you a story or an anecdote or a nugget that people in his sport miss. They have a blind spot. He finds that kind of stuff, and he makes me think. I like writers that make me think. Tom Verducci does that. Easton Strauss does that. So he's writing a book. He's got a book out about the Warriors and the sensational dynasty of the Warriors.

And he talks about the rub between KD and Steph. and he was trying to make a few points and saying, I didn't begrudge KD for having leverage with his contract and insisted that I had a good reason to write something I wrote. KD. wasn't impressed and accused me of trying to rile up Steph's fans. Katie expressed that this was a constant theme in the bay. All of us local guys just wanted to kiss Steph's ass at his expense. This was Katie's consistent lament.

He would frequently squabble in direct message conversations with the warrior fans on Twitter, frequently accusing them of favoring Steph at his expense. This is what's fascinating about KD. Now, first, here's a truism. I'm not comparing myself to KD, but I've moved a lot. Joey and I have moved a lot. The downside to mobility is you never really have a hometown.

I live in L.A. and plan to live here for the rest of my life. But I lived in rural Washington State, and then I went cross state, and then I got a job in Vegas, and then I went to Tampa. and then I went to Portland, and then I went to Connecticut, and then I went to Los Angeles. I don't have a hometown. I don't have a hometown.

It's the downside. I don't have lifelong friends across the street. Many, most of you probably do. I've moved a lot. Katie's moved a lot. Grew up in D.C. Didn't choose Georgetown. He chose Texas.

Then he gets drafted by Seattle. They moved to O.K.C. Then he chooses the Bay, and then I'm tired of that, and I go to Brooklyn. He's comfortable with that, kind of. The downside is it is Steph's team, because Steph was the founder of the dynasty. He put the seed money in. It's his.

And so it will always be his. Apple is a great company. It'll always be Steve Jobs. He has passed. It's still Steve Jobs company. He left the company. They fired him. He came back.

It was still his imprint. It always will be. Apple is Steve Jobs. Microsoft, Steve Balburn came in later, is always Bill Gates. That's the way it is. The Celtics, it will always be Russell and Red Arbock.

And then Larry Bird. But that's the reality of it. So the downside of mobility, when you move around, I come to Fox, The Simpsons and Terry Bradshaw and Howie Long were here a lot longer than I am. It'll never be my place.

It's theirs. It's not mine. I'm a visitor. And don't get me wrong. It's my family, and I love them, and I hope to never leave. But I'm not the Simpsons. They built the place. Terry and Howie built the place.

I never did. I've come along to build a cable part of it. And I think I'm valuable, but I understand mobility has a downside. This will never be LeBron's town. It was Magics. It was Cobes. It wasn't Wilt. He came from somewhere else.

Kareem was never really as beloved as magic as Kobe. It's theirs beginning to end and it'll never be LeBron's town. But what is fascinating about Kevin Durant is that you have to understand that with mobility

but he keeps choosing the same headache. So in Oklahoma City, people really thought of him and Westbrook, it was theirs. Like people, it wasn't really Westbrook's team. It wasn't KD's team. It certainly wasn't Hardin's.

But it was KD and Westbrook's team, and I think the smart people knew KD was the much better player. But he left that. And he chose a place that had won without him. And then he got frustrated with that. And now he chooses Brooklyn. That's Karee's team. He went first, and he grew up a Nets fan.

Kiree grew up in New Jersey. So what's fascinating about Kevin Duran is he's mobile, and he's benefited like LeBron, greatly from it. But is he seeking something that's not going to be available to him ever? Because once you start moving, no place is ever yours. And that's okay. That's okay. No place is ever yours. And so Oklahoma City was the closest, because he was in Texas, but only a year, it's not his. And then he goes to Oklahoma City. And to be honest with you, that was his home. And he said, I want to go over here. All right. He won. But then,

And they started loving him. And he said, no, I'm going to go over there. Well, Kyrie is the Steph version of Brooklyn. The difference is he hasn't won the title yet. So there's part of me that has, I feel sympathy for Kevin Durant, but I think he's smart enough to know what he chose. But this is Ethan Strauss, The Athletic, got a new book out. Do we know the name of the book yet, the title of the book,

giving credit? Is that the downside to choose in Golden State, and you just got to get your mind right on this. is it's never going to be my team. And I think it bothered Kevin Durant that it was never his team. At some point, it did bother him or he wouldn't be mentioning it to writers. But you just got to get your arms around that.

When you show up, it's never, you're not the founder. And so, it's not your company. When I was at ESPN, it's Chris Berman's place. I knew that. Dick Vitale and Chris Berman, it's their place. Mel Kiper, that's their place. I'm a visitor. I can be family and a visitor.

I was like adopted. I was adopted in the ESPN. I've been adopted by Fox, and I'm very, very happy. I think it's the victory machine is the name of the book. Is it the victory machine, Ethan Strauss? Okay. Mock draft, Andrew Whitworth. I'm a nerd.

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There's not a lot of food service options up here. I've got to make my, I'm brown bagging it every day and I'm having the time of my life. Joy, how are you? I'm good. I'm very serious. about sandwiches. Oh, yeah. I'm like, I'm a sandwich artist, if you will. Yeah. Everything has to be toasted, layered. Certain things have to be warm.

Tomatoes and the lettuce have to be cold. Yeah. Certain combination of condiments. It's very important. Yeah. Andrew Whitworth in about seven, eight minutes. So I'm going to do a mock draft. Everybody's got a mock draft.

I think the longer you give a weather forecast as a meteorologist, the less accurate you are. So I'm not going to go through the entire first round. I'm going to go 12 picks. Bengals to the Raiders. Raiders had a great draft last year. So here we go. Here is my mock draft.

I'm into this stuff. I always have been. I'm a total dork. I get it. I'm living with it. Here we go. All right. Number one, the Cincinnati Bengals,

easiest pick on the board, pick LSU quarterback Joe Burrow. He had a great year. He's a nice, to me, B-plus prospect. They need a quarterback. They have a need. He's there. He's from Ohio.

He went to Athens High School. school in the plains. So Joe Burrow goes to the Bengals. Number two, the Redskins. Second easiest take on the board, although I do believe Washington would have discussions about trading this. Chase Young, all-time leader at Ohio State in Sacks for a single season, remarkable considering the Bosa boys went there. It's interesting. Washington is actually pretty good up front defensively. Top third in the NFL in Sacks. I think Ron Rivera could engineer even more with his schemes. But Chase Young is a once in a every five-year pass-rush talent. They get him. Number three. Okay, we got to trade. The Chargers and Detroit Lions flop picks. The Chargers

move up to three. The Lions back to six. And the Lions get a corner from the Chargers and two draft picks to move up. And the Chargers take Justin Herbert. Last four NFL draft the 14 first round quarterbacks, 10 people moved up to get him. I think the Chargers are sending out messages they want him without saying it. The four biggest games for Herbert last year. Auburn, Wisconsin, Utah, and Washington. He played great or at least very well in all four and came one play away from going four and oh. He's NFL ready.

He'll sit for a year and then be the Chargers franchise quarterback. Number four. The New York Giants take Clemson Stud Isaiah Simmons. Listen, they have two really good defensive tackles. They need playmakers. They gave up over 28 points a game defensively in a division with the offensively and Carson Wentz and the Eagles. They got to make stops.

They are not winning games in this division, regardless of how good Daniel Jones is until they make stops. And Simmons can solve a lot of their areas. issues. Number five dolphins. They take Tua. 199 career efficiency passerating in college football best of all time. This organization passed on Drew Brees years ago who had some injuries. They've regretted it since. Tua is not a perfect candidate because of the medical issues. He can get healthy behind Ryan Fitzpatrick. The dolphins will also, with 14 draft picks,

build an offensive line, let it mature for a year and bake before to a plays. Number six, this is the Lions now who got a corner and a draft pick or two from the Chargers. They take Derek Brown. He's the best interior defensive lineman in the draft. They lost a couple of defensive tackles in free agency. They also allowed 400 yards a game second worst in the NFL. So Matt Patrician, Bob Quinn, they get draft picks from the Chargers, a starting corner from the Chargers, and now get the best interior defense. defensive linemen in the draft. Really good start for the Lions in this year's draft. Number seven, the Carolina Panthers take Ohio State corner Jeff Okuda.

The Lions liked him but couldn't pass up the trade to get a corner and a top defensive lineman. The Panthers allowed 29 points a game last year. Second worst in the NFL also lost their best corner to free agency James Bradbury. So Okuda drops a couple of spots. lions wanted him, but had to bite at what the Chargers offered to get Herbert. They moved down. The Panthers are the beneficiary, getting the best corner from a University of Ohio State. That's a factory for corners. Number eight, the Arizona Cardinals take Iowa offensive tackle Tristan Worf's.

Listen, Kyler Murray got sacked 48 times. Now, just consider that. That is arguably the second or third most mobile quarterback in the league got sacked 48 times. They have to protect their ass set. They've also got D'Andre Hopkins. They went out and got a Kenyon Drake. So they've got him weapons. They've got their coach.

They got their quarterback. Now they have to protect him. They get Tristan worse. Number nine, the Jags take the best receiver easily in this draft, Jerry Judy. Listen, they're tanking to get a quarterback next year. When they get Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields, they're going to hand him the best young wide receiver talent in two or three drafts in Jerry Judy. He is spectacular.

This team has a million things they have to worry about, but I don't think there's going to be a wide receiver as good last year, this year, or next year as Judy and the Jags get him. The Cleveland Browns at number 10. What did they do in the offseason? They have terrible tackles. They went and got a right tackle. Jack Conklin and Free Agency.

Nice player. They need a left tackle. They'll get Mackay Beckton. Baker was sacked 40 times last year. The interior of their O-lines not bad. They were really below average at tackle, so they get a free agency right tackle, they get a starting left tackle.

I think this is a really obvious pick. Number 11, the New York Jets. Okay, 52 sacks last year. They've already gone out in free agency and found a right tackle, Noah Fant, and a center, Connor McGovern. They will go and draft Jedrick Wills an underrated tackle for Bama.

I think he's as good as any of the tackles. They'll put him out to the left side. So now they have rebuilt their offensive line for Sam Darnold. Second round, they'll get a corner. Third round, they have two picks. They'll get a receiver and another interior offensive lineman or a linebacker. The Jets take Jedrick Wills. And finally, 12, the Raiders take C.J. Henderson, the fastest corner.

Raiders love speed. Listen, they nailed their draft last year, and they went with a lot of offensive players, tied-in receiver running back. This year, they've got to solve defense. You're in a division with Patrick Mahomes. You've got to get corners and you got to get edge rushers

and they feel they got the latter last draft. This year, they go for a gator and get a corner. All right, there's my mock draft. I just had so much fun doing that. You have no idea. You have no idea how much I liked it. I could be wrong on all picks except Joe Burrell. He's going to Cinty, that I know.

Andrew Whitworth, Rams left tackle, A guy I'd vote for the Hall of Fame when he's eligible. Just signed an extension, I believe, for a couple of years. And Andrew is now joining us. He's going to do this now. Hopefully we get him on a more consistent basis. Let me just start with the obvious question. Todd Gurley gets moved.

Were you surprised? You know, I think you are surprised just because of the player he's been for us and really what a great phenomenal football player he's been. But also you realize that, you know, this is how the league works. contracts and you know what and what you expect of a guy every year and you know it just kind of seemed like things you know this year we knew we were going to have to lose somebody with it really where we are in the cap and it's unfortunate because he's a tremendous teammate and a tremendous player i mean this really is the nfl you obviously start in Cincinnati and you

end with the la rams as we get into a situation the rams season had some tumult but you were nine and seven it's a really good division how do you feel with the state of the Rams today, no OTAs. You're in a really tough division. The Niners make the Super Bowl. You wake up in the morning. Where do you think the organization is at? You know what?

I feel good about it. I really do. I think there's obviously things that, you know, I think cap-wise that maybe the organization would wish were better, but I think for a team standpoint, I love living in a world where you've been successful. You won nine games and you feel like the world's falling. And now all of a sudden,

you got an opportunity where no one expects. you to do anything and they're kind of stacking the cards against you and we get an opportunity to go prove who we are. I think that I like our staff. I like our players and I like us without attitude and chip on our shoulder. By the way, despite injuries, the Rams allowed the fewest sacks last year in the NFL at 22. People may not mention that and they had some really big injuries in the interior of the offensive line. You were a Bengal, came to the Rams. Joe Burroughs obviously going to the Bengals. I've said this before. If you go look at where you're going to a quarterback lands, it will dictate his success far more than where he is picked.

The Steelers are well running deep. The Ravens are well running deep. There has been dysfunction in Cincinnati. How worried are you for Burrow, who also went to LSU, that he's just, he's inheriting a franchise that's been bumpy and a division that is stacked? You know, I think the bigger concern is really probably that division. That division seems to be stacked and getting better and better. Yes.

So with a rookie quarterback, you're going to have a lot of expectation to try and beat a lot of good football teams. And then also you look at Joe, I mean, you know, in some ways I love the match up because you look at his career and really the adversity he had to face. And you always hear, I heard him talk a lot and you kind of followed him a little bit through this process, you know, persevere and battle and overcoming adversity are things you always hear him talking about. And I think that he's entering a franchise that that's what it's been all about in the recent past. And so they're going to need a guy. It's got a little bit of an attitude. You know what? It's not going to always be easy.

I'm going to have to battle and persevere through some tough times. And I think it'll be interesting to see. I think he's a tremendous player. And I think that Cincinnati, I think, is definitely going to go after him. And I think it'd be a good matchup. By the way, you were there when Andy Dalton came in, right? I was. Yeah.

So give me the first year of Andy Dalton. How long does it take? Because Andy's a smart kid and a hard worker. Was he a little over his skis the first year? here. Well, I think you look at when he came in, he came from CCU, and, you know, I think that's a much different environment probably in Fort Worth at TCU than it was in Cincinnati, Ohio at that time. And so I think it definitely is a lot of pressure and there's a lot of things on you, but Andy really, the mental part of the game was always his most superb talent and trait.

You know, he understood things, he understood defenses. He really picked that kind of stuff up fast. And I think that you really couldn't, you know, take that away from his work, to understand the game was really good. And you hear Joe talk about that, and I hear coaches that have worked with Joe and really the people in the past that, you know, have been around him. That's something they say about him, too.

It's not only the talent he has. He's a big athletic kid and can throw the football, but his work ethic and really he started from a bad place, you know, hearing stories about his freshman year when they all made fun of him and gave him nicknames and said he had no chance and to really work where he is now and reinventing his arm motion and everything. I think that, like I said,

I really believe that he's built with the right mentality and attitudes to enter Cincinnati and be able to have success. Nick Saban had an interesting quote yesterday. Andrew Whitworth joining us. Nick said, listen, every time Tua got hurt, he extended a play. And he's got to learn not to do that. My takeaway is Andrew, well, hell if Nick Saban can't coach that out of him, I'm not sure anybody can coach it out of him.

Are you worried that Tua, this is who he is? he's a playmaker. He extends plays, and he's a smaller athlete, and this may just be the albatross, the problem, the liability he can't overcome. You know, I think you look at him and you watch him and play, obviously being a guy who played in the SEC, I've watched a lot of his games.

You see the athleticism. You see really just that he's one of those guys that not only can he play the quarterback position, but he's just got a smooth athletic ability to him. I know he gets compared to Russell a lot, but it really is true. You see that nothing kind of seems overwhelming. to him. And I think that you have that natural ability to want to make a play. But, you know, I would

argue Russell Wilson runs around like crazy and does all that stuff himself. And maybe this injury, this last one really is enough to rock him to say, all right, I'm going to run around. I'm trying to do things. But when the play's really breaking down, I really got heat on me. I got to get the ball out of my hand and take care of myself. And, you know, I think that it's one of those things that maybe it can be a blessing in disguise for him, that this one really sends him over the edge to say, hey, all right, I'm going to do what I do and be who I am. But there's going to be a time where I've got to go ahead and say, all right, now this plays over. Let's move to the next one.

By the way, I think you've only missed one game since 2014. You've only missed a handful of games in a 14-year career talking to us, so you have stayed healthy. And I think I have this note, you're the oldest offensive linemen in the NFL. So I want to ask you, this is a very good tackle, offensive tackle draft. One of them is going to flourish. The rest will be good. one probably won't be as good as we think.

What do you look at? Because you know, Andrew, you've been in all these camps. You've been in 15 camps. You can sniff out a guy really quick. And you're like, he's not as good as advertised. If you were running a scouting department with all these tackles, two things that you would really hone in on to ensure the college kid becomes a great pro. You know, I think that you look at in the past, teams really focused.

It seems to be, whether they hit her. miss on guys. It seems to be two different directions. And one of them is, to me, tremendous athlete, tremendous explosion, lots of pop. You know, you say, wow, this guy has a lot of splash plays that look great. But, you know, you really want to know, what are his regular plays look like? How does he, you know, is he a guy who has a splash play and then he's lazy and gets beat by somebody he has no business getting beat by? You know, and then the second guy would be the guy who's not really splashy, but he just blocks his guy every play. And you know what? The bottom line is, his guy doesn't make the play in the run game and his guy doesn't get to the quarterback.

And you look in this class, I mean, I think that really a lot of these guys up top are talented. I mean, you've got to say that there's some big guys that can move and can play. The one I really love, I heard you say last, is Jujrik Wills. I like that guy. I think he has some great feet. He seems to have a really good feet and a smoothness about him. And you know what? I think McCaughbocken's a big explosive.

He'd be the other end of it. A big, huge explosive flash play. you see him explode on guys and it's like wow you know and so that's really an example of two of the guys that you say all right one's really smooth and athletic and seems to be smart and just kind of do his job and look like it's easy and malik mkkaa back then man it's like not only if he's smart and plays well but man there's some splash out there at times where it's like he just dominates people and so I think that you really look at those guys and you got to make a decision what what it means the most to you do i want the guy who's the most consistent or the guy's going to give me splash and the ability to just move

people. And I think for me, I really like that Drew Wills kid. And I look forward to seeing how he does himself. Yeah, he's very good technically. If you look at how he uses his feet, I talked to a scout about this about a month ago. He said, that kid just doesn't give you any opportunities. His stance, his balance is always perfect. And he's a guy that can move around a little bit. You could do left or right tackle. It would be fine. Andrew Whitworth joining us. You know, it's funny about Cincinnati. So Cincinnati historically, Over the last 10 off seasons, the Bengals have signed two players to contracts valued at 10 million or more, both this year. So this year they decided, we're going to go spend money.

It's very interesting because they've always been considered a frugal slash cheap organization. What do you make as Burrough comes in, the Bengals are deciding we're going to spend cash. That is not the Bengals you had, right? Yeah, but the first thing I make is it makes me aggravated. No. No, yeah, exactly. I think, you know, I think it's a good message. And I think it's, to me, I think they know they're about to pick a kid in Joe Burrow who's special, who seems to have a charisma and really just a swag about him to be a good football player. You hear him say all the right things. And really, you see the way his team rallied around him last year and seem to, like, truly love him and get thrive off of him. I think they know, you know what, we need to make sure that this kid understands we're committed. trying to win. And I think that really the commitment they're showing there to Zach Taylor and the coach and to bring in a young quarterback like that, I really think it tells me all the way they're going with Joe Burrow and they're trying to make, you know, that kid feel confident. And also

Zach Taylor and his staff, hey, we're going to do our part and be a part of this because I think at times in the past, that's what you felt. You felt there like, hey, we got to draft perfectly. We got to raise up every single draft pick perfectly. The coach has got to do an amazing job, but we're never really going to ever pay to really like ownership. Hey, you help us out. Like bringing a couple guys that just talent-wise make us better. You know, and I think that that's a new, new, new really thing that they're doing there as far as acquiring talent.

By the way, very well-run organizations like the Baltimore Ravens have gone out and they paid for Marcus Peters. They paid for Callas Campbell. It's Kansas City, Philadelphia. Like, it's okay. It's a new world. Go out and you can't, as Andrew said, you can't draft perfectly. I mean, Belichick whiffs all the time.

So go get guys players. Finally, you are the oldest offensive linemen in the NFL. So my instinct is missing this OTA is not the worst thing for you? Your body gets more rest. Is that how you look at it? You know, it couldn't be a bigger blessing this guy is for me. I mean, the opportunity to really just, because, you know, you really look at it at my age, it's specific training, things I know I need to do to get ready to,

To really, there's, you know, a team workout is great, but there's probably things that you have to do to take care of all 50, 60, 70 guys that are in the weight room that maybe not are the best thing for me at my age, really that I need to be taking care of. And so, you know, it gives me the opportunity during this time, really honestly, just focus on the things I need to be doing and to take care of myself and get ready. And, yeah, I mean, a little break from OTAs. I'm never complaining any time I get to take my feet off the practice fell a little bit. Why not? And your family safe, by the way, Andrew, through this virus? We're good, man. We're blessed.

I mean, you realize how blessed you are to have a home and a place for your kids to be and to be safe and sitting inside. We're never going to act like this is, you know, in the middle of the world pandemic, we're sitting inside and we have food and a home. We're very blessed and trying to do everything we can to help those around us that aren't. Great talking to you, man. I love having you on the show. Yeah, I appreciate you.

Andrew Whitworth, left tackle. Played in the NFL 15 years, four-time Pro Boulder. He has been a rock. for that organization. He has been, when Sean McVey got there, we got to get a left tackle. He has been a rock, former LSU Tiger. All right, we take a break.

John Middilcoff, former NFL scout, my buddy from the Bay Area on the Raiders and the 49ers. Both have, I believe, two first round picks. Very interesting up in the Bay Area. Also, Herm Edwards, my buddy last hour. I cannot wait to talk to Herm Edwards next hour. Dave Coelho, our guest booker, we may have to consider getting him an extra donut every day because he is delivering.

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who no longer want to be locked in their home. And it is a very interesting situation on the West Coast. Oregon, Washington, California have 47 million people. And we have 1,200 deaths, 83% in California for people who are not in the workforce, older, retired nursing homes. So I do think as the weather gets warmer, economic collapse, people out of jobs, you're going to get pushback. You're starting to see it in the country now. As weather warms up, people are going to say, listen, 330 million people.

Here's the number of deaths primarily to people with preexisting medical conditions. I think it's going to be a real struggle going forward. It's going to be waves in fluid situations. The market's going to be up and down. It's going to be a lot of tumult. There's a lot of encouraging signs. But we are about halfway through this. thing in terms of forget the economy about the waves and the vaccines and that we got a long

way to go but i am seeing people stay at home we are seeing a decline sharply in hospitalizations and the need for ICU beds shockingly so in places like florida but you know this is the land of the free man you're going to get some pushback from the peeps and it's getting warm and people want to be outside and people want to go to work and make money uh here's joy taylor with the news Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, as we know, the Bengals have the top pick in this year's NFL draft, and head coach Zach Taylor doesn't see a scenario right now where they trade out of that top spot.

If there's a guy there that you believe in that can really change the franchise over the next 10, 15 years, then that's a hard thing to pass up on. People all the time ask me, what would it take to give up that pick? And if there's somebody there that people are willing to give up a lot for that they believe in, that really verifies what we think about those players as well. If somebody offered him, if Miami said we got 14 picks, here's 10 of them. I mean, you've got to be a, you have to take phone calls, but they're not moving, but you have to take the call.

No, I do think you have to take the call. Look, he's right. If you believe in Joe Burrow, truly, then there's no, there's really no draft or trade package that's going to be more appealing than Joe Burrow, because you need that position, you need that guy and you are in the position to take that guy without making any moves. So if they truly believe in him, of course you shouldn't move. You're going to take the call, but I don't know. This could be a way to drive up the price for Joe Burrow as well if they're still interested in possibly moving off of him.

I don't have a lot of faith that there's going to be any movement at that position. Obviously, we all kind of agree that the dolphins are really the only team that are in the position to make a trade phone call like that. and it would have to be a haul. And if the Dolphins don't believe 1,000% that Joe Burrow is a guy, then that trade is not a good trade for the dolphins either, although I think it is. So Dwayne Haskins has struggled in his rookie season, and with the second pick in the draft, Washington could make a surprise move and take one of the top quarterback prospects.

But when safety, Landon Collins was asked if he would want two on his team, he stood by Haskins, and he doesn't want the team to give up on him. We drafted a first-round draft pick quarterback last year. I think too will be a great aspect to our team, but we already have one. I think we should go out to keep the guy we have now, put our eggs in that basket. Because, I mean, when he's when he's prepared and he knows what he has to do on the field, he's, he's gunslinging it, he's pushing the ball down to field. He's making plays.

From that standpoint, that's how I see it. Yeah, well, give Haskins a year. And I mean, it's not fair at this point. Duane Haskins said, what? How many stars? Seven? I forgot. How many starts has he had? You got to give him, you got to give him more than, although the Arizona

I didn't give Josh Rosen many starts. Well, that's my point. I think Arizona kind of set a very interesting tone for the rest of the NFL, but it's not really the end of the world. If you have taken a player, a quarterback in the top 10, and you don't think he's the guy, do it again. And I'm not really against that. I mean, I thought Josh Rosen kind of got a bad deal there,

but, you know, they're happy with Kyler Murray. It looks like Kyler Murray is going to end up being a great player for them if they make all the right moves and put pieces around him. So the quarterback position is just too important. You have to get the guy. If that means you got to drop the guy three years in a row, that's what you got to do. Because until you have that guy, it really doesn't matter what you do with the rest of the team. You can have all the talent there in the world.

If you don't have the guy at the quarterback position, you're going to have a great team, and you're only going to go so far, as we know. So I'm not against that. I don't know that I've seen anything from Haskins that makes me feel like he's the guy. Maybe that's unfair and he does need another year. and Washington's in a unique position to have a little swiggle room with Rivera there. He's not worried about losing his job. You have a little bit of time with the fans and a little bit of patience there.

And then obviously we're all dealing with the situation with the pandemic that's going to, you know, give to teams like Washington a little bit more, more space to make those decisions. But I would not be against them taking a quarterback again. I mean, if nothing else, you trade him. So I just don't know if I've seen enough from Haskins. Speaking of that, Chase Young is wildly considered to be the best player in this year's draft, and his former Ohio State teammate Nick Bosa also expects big things from Young at the next level. Bosa said, I think he'll be defensive rookie of the year next year or even more.

I think his potential is as good as anybody just with his physical attributes. It's a little different playing NFL tackles, but once he gets the hang of it, he's going to be the real deal. Young set the school record in 2019 with 16 and a half sacks in a single season. Pretty much everyone feels like he's going to end up at Washington. He is the best player in the draft, and that's the position that Washington is in. They also, they're already pretty good up front. So Ron Rivera, I mean, he drafts Chase Young, Joy. He can go for the next seven years in D.C. and say, I mean, their defensive front is the best part of that team,

and it's going to get significantly better. So if you have Carson Wentz and Dak in your division and Daniel Jones, and they can all move a little, Washington's saying, we got the guy who can chase him. Right. And this is a position that you can take that kind of risk on. Like that's a big high-impact player position. And he is, like I said, considered to be the best player in the draft. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does in the NFL just because he is so highly praised. And he's just an electric player to watch.

Yeah, Ohio State guys, let's be honest, they're usually good in the NFL. Ohio State guys over-delivered. Michael Thomas, Latimore. Go look around the NFL right now. A lot of Buckeyes, they don't have as. Maybe I'm just recent memory. Maybe it's confirmation bias. But Ohio State top picks, the bosses, they work.

A lot of speed and a lot of talent. Yep. Joy with News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. If you really listen to people carefully, sometimes you don't have to say much to say everything.

Matt rules the new coach of Carolina. They signed Christian McCaffrey to a big contract yesterday. Here was his quote, We want to be a serious football place. We want to be a place that is all about the game. That's who Christian McCaffrey is. He told you everything in that sentence they thought about Cam Newton. Why did he choose those words specifically?

Why did Tom Brady say going to Tampa? He liked the warmth of the Buccaneer staff because it was missing in New England. What is Matt Rule telling you in that sentence? His first sentence, we want to be a serious football place. Cam wasn't serious enough. Cam was distracted. Cam had a lot of interests.

By the way, Teddy Bridgewater, there were other quarterbacks on the market, is the anti-CAM. He's not big. He doesn't run around. He doesn't have a rocket arm. He just goes into places, gets the playbook down in about 48 hours, doesn't make any mistakes, a complete and utter focused grown-up. Sometimes people don't have to say much to say everything. Cam's out of the building.

Bridgewater McCaffrey all about football in the building. Matt rules known as a culture builder. Serious. Football. All football. Serious. Didn't say much. Said everything.

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This is Clever Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliver Show, I'm bringing you. conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What?

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Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the bar like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, when I chose to put John Middlkoff in the herd podcast network, he was a former NFL scout, and he had all sorts of great information, really common sense. And over the next two to three weeks, John Middlecopf's podcast will be absolutely must listen. And it's always good. It's always smart, well-sourced, and sharp. Former NFL scout for one of the great owners and GMs now in the NFL, the Philadelphia Eagles, John is now joining us. So you go look at the Raiders draft, and we all kind of rolled our eyes at Mayock and Gruden and TV stars.

But in the end, they went and got guys like Renfro in the fifth round, defensive lineman with 10 sacks in the fourth round, John. It looks like, at least from my purview one year out, they won the draft. Why? Well, I think two things. One, Mike Mayok is good. I mean, we've had a front row seat to his opinions for it felt like a couple decades. We all knew he knew what he was talking about.

Most of the guys, remember he went out on the limb several years ago, and he liked Khalil Mack, more than Clowny. Yep. When it seems normal now, but that was not the case then. And he had several other ones that he was pounding the table that were, he didn't go with the group think. But I also think, listen, they had a good draft. When you have a bad team, though, your young players play a lot. So they benefited from that. Now, you know, the rookie running back, Josh Jacobs is really, really good.

And that was a Mayock guy. Jonathan Abram, their other first round safety, but he only played one game. And Cleland Farrell was kind of a disaster at fourth overall. But the rest of their picks were really good. I think the key for them moving forward, Colin, they have a lot of legitimate NFL players now. But to make the playoffs, you know, they were seven to nine and they're kind of in that no man's land. They need some stars. They need a couple blue chip guys.

When they made the playoffs, Jack Del Rio's second year, it was Amari was killing it. Crabtree was crushing. Khalil Mack, Coletio Semley, Rodney Hudson, Carr was awesome. They had a lot of impact players. And that's kind of to me, they have a couple, you know, Jacobs, the tight end, Darren Waller, but they need to nail a wide receiver. They need to nail a defensive player. Then maybe you'll see them, and especially with this extra slot now with another wild card,

maybe they're in the playoff mix. Yeah, they'll obviously go some defensive players because they hit a couple of home runs on the offensive side last year. The Niners have two first-round picks. They got rid of a defensive tackle, gave them to the Colts, so they could readdress that, but they're already strong there. Many are speculating wide receiver, but my takeaway is they've kind of addressed that in the last couple of drafts.

Where do you think the Niners go with their picks? Well, I wrote down their first-round picks since Lynch and Kyle got here, and it's Solomon Thomas, Ruben Foster, McGlinchie, and Bosa. So they have gone big physical guys. I mean, three of the four of those guys are on the line of scrimmage. So unlike, you know, sometimes with an offensive coach, they like, you know, the sexy pieces. Kyle is kind of old school, right, for being this young, kind of brilliant mind. He loves to run the ball.

He loves defensive linemen. So I think every mock draft you see, it's, oh, they're going to take a wide receiver. Maybe they will with 31 or maybe they trade back. But I think at 13, especially with the depths of this draft, they will go an impact player. Colin at cornerback, Richard Sherman, who's still awesome, is going into his last year of his contract. The other guy that started opposite him in the Super Bowl was an undrafted free agent.

So C.J. Henderson, the corner that all my friends in the league say he is by far the number two corner in this draft. I could see them doing that. I could see them taking one of the defensive tackles. I don't necessarily think they're tied to a wide receiver at 13, especially with Kyle, right? Look at how he schemes these guys open. Debo Samuel was a second round pick. Yeah.

His greatest asset, you know, is being able to take offensive players in the second, third, fourth round and elevate them to high-level players. Yeah, this is great stuff. John Middilcoff, former scout, really laying it out smartly. So I like Joe Burrell. My comp is Tony Romo. I think the LeBron Brady talk is ridiculous. I don't think he's talented enough to overcome Cincinnati's dysfunction. I think the Browns, Ravens, and Steelers, defensive fronts are scary good and only going to get better in this draft.

How do you evaluate Burrow? I see him as a good solid B-plus prospect. Am I too low? No, I don't think you are. I mean, his season in a vacuum was remarkable. You know, his statistics, who knows, may never be broken. He accomplished everything possible. But when you, NFL teams don't necessarily go all in on, oh, he won the Heism, oh, he was a national champion.

They break down the physical attributes. And I agree, Tony Romo. I'd even go a little more recent. I'd go Jimmy Garoplo, who was forever compared to Tony Romo. And if that's what he is, I mean, that's good. I'd be fine. Yeah. But that's not, you know, Patrick Mahomes.

That's not, you know, Russell Wilson or, hell, you know, might not even be Deshaun Watson, who is, you know, I think sometimes gets overhyped a little bit. His physical attributes are not Mahon's, but he's really good because he has all these innate qualities. But you hit on something. Deshaun Watson dominated the moment he started playing. So you'd go, yeah, he doesn't have the greatest physical attributes, but it's easy to see why he still dominates because that's all he does is where Joe Burrow, you know, he couldn't beat out Dwayne Haskins. His first year there was bad.

Again, this year was great. Playing with Justin Jefferson, who a wide receiver coach told me, I don't know if Justin Jefferson's going to be a great NFL player, but he will not fail. And then the other guy, Chase, is going to be a locked top. 10 pick. And then the running back is going to be, you know, a top, you know, 50, 60 pick who's a stud. They had a lot of things going for him. Again, Joe Burrell's good player, but think Tony Romo, Jimmy Garoppolo, not Tom Brady, Joe Monta. That's not even fair to the kid. I can't believe

people are throwing that out there. I mean, that's just, that's just, it's kind of insane to me. I hear you think Tua could be in for some rude awakenings in the NFL. Well, I just think in 2020, the days, the day and ages of the page is, of the pageant, Manning, the rivers, the guys that can't move are kind of over. The offensive linemen, this draft looks good, but for the last half decade, coming into the NFL, have not been good. But the defensive linemen have not stopped coming in at a really high rate, a lot of impact players.

Good point. So I think more than ever you have to be mobile. Now, I don't mean Lamar Jackson running. Now, that would be nice if you can, but I just mean be able to move. Look at all the young quarterbacks. DeShan, Mahomes. Jimmy Garoppel, Carson Wentz, all these guys can move. Dak Prescott and move behind the line of scrimmage.

My deal with Tua, a little bit like Baker Mayfield. And I'm not talking maturity. I'm talking on the field. They are not great athletes. So when they try to, and you saw Tua get hurt because he's playing in the SEC that has the best defensive linemen by far. By far. And he can't get away from any of them.

So that's what one thing Joe Burrow and Herbert have going for them. They can really move. you know, on the move throwing the football. Where Tua, when Nick Bosa or Kaleel Mack or some of these guys are chasing, he's not going to be able to get away. Yeah. And like, and you, I heard you talking about it. You don't really change that mindset.

Well, you better change because you're going to get killed. So I like Tua. I just wonder in this day and age, you know, his comp, like Baker, is Drew Brees. Are those type players going to work moving forward? I don't know. It's a very fair. I mean, I get the pushback. Finally, three minutes left.

I don't get the criticism of Justin Herbert. He's a little mechanical. Smart, big, arm moves. I see a poor man's Trevor Lawrence. Hands, arm, whip, angles. He's got a little Carson Wentz. He can do multiple angles. I don't get the criticism.

I think he's undervalued. Am I nuts? If you give me worst case, he's Josh Allen. Best case is Carson Wentz. I don't know. Who doesn't want that? You know, he's a very similar prospect to Josh Allen, except he was successful in college at a high level.

Yes. Yeah, I saw him against Auburn, Utah, Washington, or Wisconsin, in the four best teams he played. He played well in all four games. Yeah, you're talking high character, smart, and NFL scouts, to me use the term effortless arm, absolute hose. So, you know, you're talking about a young player

with a lot of experience that played from day one showing up at Oregon. This is not, you know, Texas State or something. I mean, it's a big time program. They're playing everyone. To me, the last game proved a lot against Wisconsin. He was not playing with the four Bama wide receivers or the LSU wide receivers. He wasn't playing with NFL wide receivers. He carried that team against Wisconsin, Jim Leonard, who was one of the highly respected guys in college and pro football, the defensive coordinator.

Wisconsin's probably a top 10 run program right now in America. He wouldn't let him lose. He would not let him lose. And it was with his feet. But again, like, he can, we've seen him make the throws with his arm. I'm a big Justin Herbert guy. So my. Mechanical and robotic.

But you can, that's why NFL assistant coaches make a million dollars. Hey, coaches make seven, eight minutes. Coach him up. Yeah, you and I are, I just said this this morning. I looked at Justin Herbert. The four defenses that had NFL players that he played were Washington, Auburn, Utah, and Wisconsin. And he is a play. Auburn made a play offensively.

No, Nix completes a ball in the end zone from going four and oh. He played well. He had one pick against those four defenses. Chris Peterson's defense, the Auburn defense, which we know is good, the Utah defense, which they have like four NFL players. I don't get the criticism on him. If I'm the chargers, I move up and get him, if I might. And I like Tua, but there is, I don't get it.

I think sometimes we nitpick 22-year-old kids to death. John Middilcoff's his name. He's a former scout. His podcast is three and out on the Heard Podcast Network. Check it out. They will be gold for the next 10 to 14 days. Thanks, buddy. Thanks, Colin.

Have a good day. You bet. Yeah, if you miss my mock draft, can we, John, is it possible to give the kids on the podcast today? Can we give them, can we give them my mock draft? It was tasty. I'm not going to lie. It was really tasty. Yeah, it is my show.

I am going to dominate the podcast and put out whatever I want. All right. Herm Edwards, my buddy, I can't wait to talk to her. Herm's great. So, Herm's a college guy. He used to be an NFL guy. He used to work the draft guy. He's done, he's really done well at Arizona State.

He has been a remarkable story. And so just a good guy and a fun listen. He's around the corner as well. Hour three, we're in L.A. Beautiful day here, The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays, at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Oh, here we go. It's our

number three. We are filling these shows and having so much fun. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. I heart radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, I just knocked down a banana. I've had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I'm nine years old again. We don't have like a food service situation here. So I make my own, I make my own stuff at 5.30 in the morning.

can't see anything in my house. I don't want to wake everybody up. So I'm just making like peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And I've got to be honest with you. I feel like I'm nine years old again. But it's okay. Joy Taylor is joining me. Herm Edwards should be noted. Herm Edwards and his Arizona State team gave Justin Herbert fits. So they were the PAC 12 defense that figured out Justin Herbert. And Herbert struggled big time against Herm Edwards' defense. And the one thing Herm has done since he arrived at Arizona State, he's made. that defense legit without a lot of NFL players. So Herm can coach his butt off.

And he gave Justin Herbert a nightmare game in Tempe. It was one of the more entertaining games in the Pac-12 season this year. He'll be joining us in 15 minutes. And Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you making it through the whole virus and thing? The weather's now gotten very, very good. Yeah, it's really nice out today. I'm good.

I'm good. During the week, I told you, my schedule hasn't really changed much. The only difference is that I'm in my living room area as opposed to being, you know, at the studio with you, but I'm, I'm good. I'm keeping a little schedule, staying busy. My son has never been happier. My son's, he's a coder, and he's just dad, he goes, I'm doing, he goes, I am happy, he goes out for a walk every day, maybe a little hot tub with mom, you know, they'll go grab

some food at some restaurant, wait in line. But it is on the West Coast anyway, we're not living in kind of the same sensibility of New York. Yeah. It's not quite as intense, and we also have big states with fewer people. In California, my neighbors, people, people. moving, social distancing. Everybody's staying away from everybody. Everybody's got masks, but it's going to be hard to keep people indoors. People in California, they moved here because

they're recreat. They like to move. They like to jog. They like to run. The weather's getting good. So yesterday, there was a few more people out. They were all, they were really smart. Everybody stays their distance. Everybody walks to the different side of the road. Yeah. You know, everybody's got masks, but, you know, this is the new normal. And I'll tell you something. In my grocery store, Joy, I wear masks. I'm okay with it. It's, I'm fine with it. It just, We're going to wear masks for the next six months to a year. And probably if we go back to games, you'll wear a mask, it'll have your team logo, somebody will start designing those merchandise.

That's our new normal. I'm totally okay with it. You know? Things change. You have to adjust. As long as we're doing everything we can to be smart and healthy and, you know, be mindful of others. Like you said, if you see someone walking on the sidewalk, just, you know, walk over a couple feet. Yeah.

Don't be a jerk. Just move. It's for both of you. It's not just for you. Yeah. So it is interesting. we just had John Middilkoff on. The most picks in the draft are the dolphins.

They have 14 picks. The Miami Dolphins are going to have a very good draft. Okay, they had a lot of cap space. They had a very good free agent situation. They got Byron Jones, Van Nuoy. So Miami is going to win the draft because they're going to have 14 picks, and they're going to get, and a bunch of them are early, so Miami's going to win the draft.

The Raiders won last year's draft. Some of it is because they drafted their butt off. Some of it is because they're bad. could play guys, but this is what's interesting. So during the Super Bowl week, I had a dinner with an NFL exec, and he said, oh, my God, you just don't understand. You got to deal with the owner. You got to deal with players calling it three in the morning.

I got to deal with agents. He said, it would just be nice to watch tape. He goes, but when you're a general manager in the NFL, it is, you are the principal of the high school. You got to deal with the students. You got to deal with the coaches. You got to deal. you get the phone calls in the middle of the night.

So general managers, this is the most underrated part about being a general manager. You got to deal with a billionaire owner, and they're impatient, and they're mavericks, and they think they know it all. You're babies, and they often have multiple kids you're dealing with. And it's hard to be a general manager. You get the phone calls.

I mean, you would not believe what general managers have told me they deal with. It is a, you're a psychologist, you're a therapist, you're a scout, you're a CEO, and sometimes you get calls and the owners in a bad mood. Mike Mayock didn't have to deal with that for the last six, seven years. Mike Mayock just watched film. He was the NFL Network's NFL GM. He was their scout guy. And this is what happened with Pete Carroll.

Pete Carroll's at USC. So he's living and recruiting all these players. And so Pete gets a job with the Seattle Seahawks. and Pete Carroll's first three drafts, he aced. Because he knew all these players. He ended up getting guys like Malcolm Smith in the seventh round who became a Super Bowl MVP in the seventh round. J.R. Sweezy, seventh round, started.

He got Russell Wilson in the third round. He got KJ. Wright in the fourth, Richard Sherman in the fifth, Cam Chancellor in the fifth. Pete's first three drafts are the stuff legends are made of. Now, since then, he's had more whiffs. he hasn't been able to get those six-round stars, although they did a good job at running back

with Carlson, the kid from Oklahoma State. But the point being is, Pete's proximity to the college game and all those recruits, I mean, he went out, he recruited Bruce Irvin. You know, he saw a tape of Russell Wilson. He, you know, he coached against Richard Sherman. That's why he knew him at Stanford.

It's a huge edge. Well, think about Mike Mayock of the Raiders. He was essentially a general manager for the NFL network. He was their scout guy. That's what he did. But he didn't have to get the phone calls at 3 in the morning, didn't have to deal with a needy owner and the owner's kids and a coaching staff that he had to fire three years in,

and agents and free agents. He didn't have to deal with any of it. So Mayok walks into the NFL with all these years of experience and total utter focus on tape. And he goes out last. year and the Raiders were able to get a receiver in the fifth round who was a home run hunter infro a tight end in the fourth round who was the highest gritted rookie tight end according to pro football focus a defensive end in the fourth round that had 10 sacks the second most by a rookie the

Trayvon mullen in the second round Josh Jacobs was a home run late in the first round people thought I'm not sure if that's a good move so it is I think you know Bill Belichick is very good acquiring NFL players. But Bill Belichick whiffs a lot in the draft. Why? Because on Saturday night, Bill Belichick's not watching Clemson against Boston College. He's not watching Oregon and Arizona State. Mike Mayock, that's all he did for several years.

And I do think, now I think some of that advantage will wear off a little bit. But I think it's a real thing. I think you can look at guys who are in the college space, they go to the NFL in the first few years. I've never looked at Nick Saban's first couple of drafts for Miami. My guess is they'd be pretty good. Go look at Jimmy Johnson. Was a college coach, goes to the NFL, engineers trades. Go look at Jimmy Johnson's first several drafts for the Dallas Cowboys.

He had all that college information. He took it to the NFL. He nails his drafts. So I didn't look at Sabins this morning. We probably should. His first two drafts with Miami are probably pretty good. He was at LSU. He knew all those players.

I did think it was interesting. Peter King's coach. column. Peter King's column, he had a small nugget in his weekly column for NBC. He said the Patriots love Justin Herbert, but probably not enough to trade up for him. A rival general manager told Peter King. I would like to say one thing about Justin Herbert. If you do a deep dive on the Oregon program, Mario Cristobal is the coach for a couple years. Mario's an offensive

lineman. That's his, he's Les Miles. Very glib, very verbal, very good recruiter, good in the room, offensive linemen. What do they do? When they become head coaches, they're not great passing game coordinators. They're very

good running game guys. If you go look at Les Miles at LSU, he could never get the passing game to be sophisticated. Oregon with Justin Herbert had the eighth most pass attempts in the Pack 12 with Justin Herbert. Why? Because Mario Cristobal has said power football, dominant power football. He used to coach under Saban, power football. So when I talk

to my NFL guys about Oregon, they say, listen, we don't love the offense, it doesn't look like an NFL offense, the passing game is not sophisticated. So when people nitpick Justin Herbert, all I know the four times I saw him against the four best teams, he was good in all of them. He was good against Auburn. He was good against Washington. He was good against Utah. You know, and good against Wisconsin. He threw one pick and four games. And those are, there's a lot of NFL guys on that Utah defense, the Auburn defense, Wisconsin defense has an unbelievable linebacker and the Washington defense. So I think sometimes we blame the player. I'm not blaming Mario Cristobal. I think he succeeded. But they had the eight most

past attempts with Justin Herbert. And my scouts and my scouts and executives didn't like Oregon's offense. They don't think it looks like an NFL offense. I think he's undervalued. We'll talk to Herm Edwards. T.J. Hushman Zott has been working him out. I mean, listen to how glowing his discussion is on Justin Herbert. Man, physically, it's something I've never seen before.

He's big, and his arm is just unbelievable. You would have to see it. You can't even put it like I play and I've been around all the best quarterbacks. I've never seen anybody physically throw the ball. like he does. Nobody. Herm Edwards, coached against him a couple of times, joining us next. Whether you're working from home or working on your fitness, you want to hear your music, not your roommates.

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Edwards, the Arizona State Sun Devils head coach. They had eight wins last year. It was the most games they'd won in six years. Herm's an interesting cat. Great motivational speaker. Had a lot of success with the New York Jets. They had three playoff appearances.

He went to Kansas City. First coach in the franchise history of Kansas City to make the playoffs in his initial season. He was a former player in the PAC 12. I was always stunned. I remember when he took the job and I had friends inside the athletic department. I'm like, does term he hasn't been around the college game i mean

did do i have an understanding of the recruiting but it's funny pete carroll when he came to u sc i remember being on a plane in mexico with a buddy and we were laughing at the move we're like they just had paul hackett he was an NFL guy well why are they going after NFL guys i didn't think peterrell was going to make it and i said does he know how to recruit he's out in the east coast

Herm Edwards was out in the East Coast and he's really been quite a success for Arizona State. He's very good in the room. The players love him. He's built a really, really good recruiting staff. They've rebuilt the stadium in Tempe and Herm Edwards is joining me.

There are a few people I've ever worked with that have left more of an imprint, kind of an indelible imprint on watching him lead, watching him talk. He's an entertainer. And this is one of the reasons Arizona State's recruiting has been unbelievable. By the way, you know we're talking about all these

quarterbacks. They got a kid named Jaden Daniels, who played last year as a true freshman. Oh, folks. In about two years, Jaden Daniels. Well, not this draft, but two drafts from that as a true junior, Jaden Daniels, maybe the number one player picked. By the way, Herm, as a defensive guy, how did you convince an unbelievable quarterback

to come to your defensive and running program? How'd you do that? Well, this is where you have to make him understand that any head coach, he's only as good as a quarterback he has. Hey, you know, there's this guy that just left New England, you know, that Captain America guy. Yeah. His coach is a defensive guy, too. That's right. You once told me, Herm, you said, I remember this, we were at ESPN together and you said, Colin, if I had a healthy quarterback, I wouldn't be broadcasting sitting next to you.

I'd be in the league. You had a lot of success. You know, it's funny because here comes the draft. And I like Joe Burrow. He's a nice player, but good God, the LSU team was loaded. I like Tua, but there's the injury. But I want to talk about Justin Herbert. You faced him twice, and you gave him fits.

Boy, and Tempe, it was a mess for him. You intercepted him four times in two games. You won one, you lost one. But let's go back to this, Herm. You brought NFL concept. to the college game at Arizona State. What did you throw at Justin Herbert that both times confused him? Well, I think, you know, all quarterbacks, their ability to read your mail before pre-snap helps them.

We tried to disguise coverage on him, gave him some different looks up front. Forced him into some known downs too as well, Colin. You know, when I say the known down, putting him in position where he has to throw it sometimes. And, you know, what we did is when we were fortunate up early in the games, we brought pressure. And that got him uncomfortable a little bit. I think the guy has a tremendous skill set. He's big and strong. He's athletic.

I thought we saw his athleticism in the Rose Bowl. Yes, yes. When he ran, you know, people didn't know he can run that good. He can run. He can avoid. He's got a strong arm. You know, but the column, you know this, and I've said this many a time,

even when I was on your shows back up in the worldwide leader, that most quarterbacks are just the meeting, 90% of them in the league. Yeah. And I think wherever these guys go, whether it's Joe Burl, whether it's love, whether it's Justin Herbert, whether it's Tua, you know, what are the coordinators or the quarterback coach are willing to build a system around the kid's skill set? Because if they're not, they're going to fail.

The prime example, say what you want is the guy that played for the Rams now. All of a sudden, the skill set and the development of that guy was built around what he could do well. Yeah. His first couple years, everybody said, this guy's a buck. Well, all of a sudden, he comes in there and they change the offense a little bit around what this guy can do, pretty good quarterback.

Right. Yeah, he throws that. Jared Goff throws, of course, a very, a beautiful, beautiful ball. He's got a lot of Matt Ryan qualities. He throws an incredibly catchable ball, probably a better long ball than Matt Ryan has, and he's become a very, very good quarterback. So when you look at this draft, you were a defensive guy. You were a very good corner in the NFL in college.

So that would lead me to believe, boy, Herm, if he was running a franchise, the Jets and the Chiefs, he would know defensive guys. But then I think you faced offensive guys. So maybe you're better at knowing offensive guys. When you were with the Chiefs and the Jets, what did you feel more? most comfortable drafting. Well, Colin, I was kind of in a unique position because I came in the lead as a part-time coach but a scout.

So I learned how to evaluate players. And the first thing I did, I can remember going to training camp with the chiefs, my first time there. Howard Mudd was the offensive line coach, great offensive line coach. And I knew enough about football, skill positions, but really didn't know a lot about offensive line play. And so I sat at night in his meetings with the offensive line and learned how he coached them because I wanted to know how do these guys play, right?

And so I learned position by my ability to sit in the room and listen to the coaches coach him. So then when they went on the field, I said, this is what he's teaching this guy, right? And figure that kind of stuff out. So for me, when I look at the draft and I was in a position coach, then became a head coach, Yeah. I had a pretty good idea of the positions. Always sat in the quarterback room. You've got to sit in the quarterback room.

I mean, that's important. When the season starts, you're in the quarterback room. I mean, you're kind of listening to the quarterback, and you're kind of talking to him from a defensive side of it. Hey, no different than what I do, Jane, I said, Jay. When they do this, when they give you this look, this is what's about to happen, right? And so, because you and a quarterback are connected together. Well, if I'm a defensive guy, and I can sit.

in the quarterback's room early in the week after I've looked at the tape, you know, with the coordinator as well and give him, giving some, giving some information from a defensive coach's eye on what the problem is and what he does to prevent a problem to the defense as well. Herm Edwards is joining us. So you look at Tua, and it's easy to say, well, he got hurt in college. You'll get hurt in the pros like Sam Bradford, but I would say this. Patrick Mahomes had a wrist surgery in college, ACL joint issue, got knocked out of a game.

He's been hurt in the NFL. Carson Wentz, hurt in college, hurt in the NFL. If a guy's got talent, Drew Brees, Dolphins passed on him. Saints didn't. He had injuries. I think Tua is draftable and I like him. Would you be concerned making him your franchise quarterback if you were Miami or the Chargers? It's the eye of the beholder.

and you make some great points there. You know, some players come in that have an injury record, and some guys go, they get concerned about injuries. I think the type of injury, a lot of times it has something to do with it. But with today and modern medicine and the way these physicians can do things, I mean, it's like, okay, he's a young guy, the arrows are pointing up, he's still young, and all those things go into factory. And let me tell you some, if you don't have a quarterback,

if you don't have one, Let me tell you something. You're going, hey, we ain't got a guy. And I said, and if this guy's coming in with a little injury, he's better than the guys we've got right now. Yeah, well, I mean, look at Arizona State. You land Jaden Daniels, and it's changed your program. I mean, the bottom line is when I watch you play, you are, you've always been good defensively, but the ability now to win nine or ten games is going to be because you found the right quarterback,

who's a remarkably poised player for 19 years old. The kid is just, it's just incredible how good he is. I think he is the next. I honestly believe this. Next year it's going to be Trevor Lawrence at Clemson and Justin Fields, Ohio State. I think the following year, your quarterback's going to be the number one pick potentially. Do you think he has that talent? Well, he has talent.

There's no doubt it. And he's a hard worker. I think with Zach Hill now running this new offense, I think it's going to fit a lot of things he can do well. you know, that Boise State offense is something. And I like it. They run the ball. They give you a lot of different formations, personnel groups. That's all NFL stuff.

And that's what guys want, make you go under center some. I mean, all those things occur. But it's just not only on the quarterback, you know, because those guys are only good as the guys that protect them. And you've got to have a good offensive line if you're going to have, if you're going to win, it ain't left. And, you know, that's something we're continuing to try to build around here. But if we can protect him, this kid's got a chance to be really good.

There's no doubt. So when you look at players in the draft, like I can look at a Joe Burrow, but he played with so many great players. Talented, yeah. And so go back to your chiefs and Jets days, Herm, when you were drafting. Now, Rich McKay, you and I both know Rich McKay, former Tampa Bay, and Rich used to always tell me when I covered him in Tampa. And he built that Super Bowl team down in Tampa.

He said, listen, I like guys who came from big programs, that were on national TV games with 98,000 in a stadium, and they were great in big games because that's the NFL, it's pressure. When you were with the Jets, I think LSU guys usually make it in the NFL. They've played in so many big games.

Does it worry you a little, though, that Burrow played with nine NFL guys? I mean, he, and he didn't pop until his senior year with all those guys. Does that concern you? Yeah, I think that can concern some guys. But I look at the position this way. First of all, is he a leader?

That checks the box. He's a leader. In big moments, on the road, when he has to throw the ball and everybody knows it is he accurate. Does he move the team? I learned this from Joe Montana. You know, I played against Joe in the league.

Joe came to Kansas City there with Marcus Allen got it. We made all run that. year he gets knocked out against the bills in a championship game. So I'm sitting going to practice with Joe, and we're just talking. And the conversation comes up and said, what kind of team is this? And I said, Joe, we've got a pretty good football team. We did. Kansas is a good football team.

He said, you know, he said, you know, good quarterback win four games for you. I looked at him and I said, what? He said, they win four games a year. What are you talking about? He says, well, you know, in the fourth quarter, and when you're on the road and, you know, you're down, they find a way to bring the team back to score and you win. I looked at him and I went, and I never thought of it that way,

but that's what they do. In the moment when you've got to make the play, regardless of the circumstance, regardless of the cast you have around you, does he make the play? Can you do it? And to me, that's the sign of a good quarterback. If you look at these NFL quarterbacks, let me ask something now.

If you got Aaron Rogers, if you're on the road, and he's got one possession left, you probably feel pretty good about him having an opportunity to go down there when the gate, right? Yeah, him and Russell Wilson and, yeah, yeah. We know who they are. They do it. And at the end of the season, in 16 games, it's going to be a tight game where you need to score. They do it. That's what separates.

That's what separates the great one. Yeah, you know, it's so funny in this league. The average game is decided by four points. I mean, it's crazy. And so, I mean, I can go back to Super Bowls. I mean, Brady and Russell Wilson are in a game. It's one play that decides it. Go back to Brady in the Super Bowl against Atlanta.

Edelman's catch. I mean, it is remarkable. The difference between being an NFL head coach and having to end up being an NFL commentator is the quarterback. And you had Chad Pennington, but he got hurt. Now, finally, you have worked at the NFL level and you've worked as a commentator and a motivational speaker and you work at the college level. With all this information at the college level, we know that when Pete went, Pete Carroll went college to pro, Herm, he had three great drafts because he knew all the players. Mike Mayock of the Raiders.

He watched all these players in college. Goes to the Raiders, he has a great draft. Herm, I could argue, after this year or two years, you could go back to the NFL and you would know this college footprint and all these players because you recruited them. Is there a possibility you'd go back to pro football? No. This is my last stand right here. I'm going to build a program and hopefully we can win the Pac-12 and hopefully win a Rose Bowl and then hand it over to somebody else. That's my goal.

Are you having fun? I'm having a blast. I miss my players at this point in time, you know, and the fact that with the virus, and look, as we're talking, I can't say enough about all the first responders, all the medical folks all over the country, all the people that are putting their lives in harm's way,

trying to save those that have caught the virus, you know. And it's remarkable to see when you turn the television on and watch all these doctors and just people that just continue to go into buildings knowing, you know what, I can come out with the virus. Those are the heroes, Colin. Yeah. Those are truly the hero.

So I love that you're having a good time. So you even like the recruiting. Oh, yeah. Look, come on, come on. You know, that's really really good fun, right? You know, when you're talking to the young people. I like meeting the parents and the guardians of a lot of these young men because you find out a lot about the family.

Yeah. You know, and a lot of those homes are like my home. You know, I look at them and I go, hey, I get it. I know where they're coming from. I get it. I understand this. Did you, Herm, did you have a lot growing up or not much? Not much.

I mean, football was my way out. Yeah. I knew being an athlete was going to give me an opportunity to go to college. I was the first graduate out of our, you know, out of our family. I mean, my mom was a German war bride. My father joined the Army when he was, what, 17 years old, you know, he fought in World War II. in the Korean War. Yeah.

Football got you out. You went to Cal, didn't you? Where'd you go? Went to Cal? Oh, my. You know, right out of high school. All those hippies and Herm Edwards? Oh, my God.

Can you imagine that going there in 1972? I went up there and went, what is this place? That place. Oh, boy, oh, boy. Yeah, it was, boy, that was the height of it. It was nothing but marijuana and hippies. Yeah, I grew up in a great era. You're talking about the civil rights movement.

Yeah. You know, I tell the story. I told you this story, you know, at 13 years old, you know, that Monterey pop festival they had down there in Monterey area. Look, my babysitter took me to that thing and wasn't supposed to be going, and I saw Jimmy Hendrick burn the guitar. I became a Jimmy Hendon's fan after that death. That 1968, and I'm like, who is this guy?

Jimmy Hendrick. I actually watched Jimmy Burn the guitar on stage. Wow. That's great. Fame, college. A lot of things that happened to me in my life, but I actually called Jimmy. I said, I've seen Jimmy live. God. You've had a full life, my friend. I've been, I've been very fortunate. I've been blessed. A lot of people help me along the way. I'm going to tell you something. You're a good friend. You know this. And you help me. I mean, when I went to work for the worldwide leader, you know, watching how you work and how organized you were and discipline and how you gathered your thoughts. I mean, I watched all that. I'm a, I'm a guy I always search for knowledge, and you watch people in certain professions, and you gain knowledge from them. And, you know, you guys help me a lot. And I love coming on your show in the morning, getting you all fired up,

man. That was a lot of fun, too, you know? Well, Herm, I'm, you know where my daughter goes to school down at ASU, and I just, I'm so proud, but it's just been an amazing story and continued success, and I love having you on occasionally and go devils. Thank you, bro. God bless you, man. Stay safe, partner. All right, Herm Edwards. 13 years old.

Watch Jimmy Hendricks burn it on stage. How about that? That's a full life right there. That guy has had a full life. It's amazing. What's that saying? Get busy living or get busy dying. I mean, Herm has got busy living.

His stories, it's one of the great motivational speakers. I've seen him on stage. Some of you have. You can YouTube it. He's really good. Joy of the News. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the future of the NBA season is still up in the air, and players are trying to stay in shape in case play resumes, but a lot of them don't have a way to play basketball right now, and Jason Tatum even admitted that he hasn't been able to touch a basketball since his last NBA game because of the cold and rainy weather in Boston right now. That was March 10th, so a little over a month ago since Jason Tatum has been able to do

any sort of basketball activity. Yana Sancta Ducco also said he doesn't have access to a hoop with the practice facilities closed. We saw Steph Curry putting up a basket at his house, took him five hours to put it up. So NBA guys are having a little trouble of being able to stay in basketball shape at least and get any shooting in. It's not surprising, though. Like, I mean, you don't really, if you don't have a compound or you live in a space where you have a big house, and, you know, a driveway or garage or you have the ability to put a gym in your house. I mean, why would you?

You're at the practice facility all day. You're traveling. It's not really something that isn't necessary to have in your house because no one could have expected this. So it's really not surprising to me that a lot of guys aren't able to get work in. Where would you do it? No, I mean, veteran players obviously have more money. They have probably, you know, studios and workout gyms.

But no, I mean, this is this is a reality is when these leagues get. to go ahead from the feds that they can do it, you've got to have at least, I mean, I would think you'd have to have it 15 days of training minimum. I mean, think about baseball, Joy, like pitchers. So let's say in 15 to 20, 30 days, you know, May 15th, baseball gets the go ahead. Well, you have to have another spring training. I mean, does everybody have a batting cage at home? So, I mean, baseball hasn't even started their season. I don't know how baseball is going to do it. Now, NBA, hockey can go right into playoffs. But no, I mean, this is this is why veteran players that have home gyms and home workout

facilities, huge, huge edge for the LeBron James crowd in the league. Right. And you're just going to have to have a couple of weeks in exhibition games to get everybody at least moving again and get their bodies into a space where they feel comfortable playing, you know, playoff basketball. So the Lions have said they're not interested in moving off of Matthew Stafford, but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't draft a quarterback this year. They've reportedly had some conversations about trading down from the third spot. But Mike Garofalo is adding that Detroit has also had multiple teleconferences with top quarterback prospects, including Tua and Justin Herbert. And that could just be, you know, doing your due diligence and, you know, taking the opportunity to talk to them either way, getting a feel for them. But I don't know.

I have a, I have this kind of lingering feeling that there's going to be a couple really dramatic moves. you know, there's not that many of the top, top guys, and there's more teams that could use a quarterback than there are quarterbacks in that space, which could actually bump up some of the second-tier guys that are available in this draft. Like the Patriots have been in the conversation about making a dramatic move.

If the lions don't stay in that spot, that could be an available spot for another team to move up if it's not the Dolphins. So I think this draft is actually going to be one of the more, dramatic drafts as far as trades and big moves. I can't. I cannot wait. We're basically a little more than a week away. I cannot wait for it. This is like your holiday anyway. Oh, no, no, no, no. I will not move from a television set for

days. I just absolutely love the NFL draft. So finally, John Krasinski and David Ortiz are giving back to some medical workers in Boston on his online show, some good news. Krasinski was speaking with five members of the coronavirus unit at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. And Ortiz then made a surprise appearance on the show and announced that the Red Sox organization will be donating four tickets for life to be shared by the medical staff there.

And then five workers were taken in the quote, most sanitized duck boat in America to Fenway Park where they each threw out a ceremonial first pitch and ran the bases. And then a thank you message was played on the Jumbotron featuring the Boston mayor, Massachusetts governor, and Red Sox players clapping and cheering. So really nice job out of,

Krasinski and David Ortiz in the Red Sox organization giving back to the medical professionals there in Boston, working and fighting the coronavirus. And yeah, that was a nice story there. Thank you again to all the doctors and nurses and medical workers who are out there helping all of us. We appreciate you. We certainly do. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Yesterday, Christian McCaffrey, one of the most versatile NFL players, got a massive contract. not only arguably the best running back in the league, he's one of the better receivers. He's really a unique, versatile player of all, you know, of the guys out there. And we thought, well, it's amazing how many people in sports,

global sports right now, can do two things at a high level, our versatile Hall of Fame, and best for last coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Tonight, FS1 gets super, charged with three straight hours of

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signed a massive contract, Joy. And he had last year, first player in NFL history to have 2,500 rushing yards and 2,500 receiving yards in his first three seasons. I've often called LeBron, the Swiss Army, nice of the NBA, he can do everything well. Maybe not the score that MJ was, but LeBron does more things well than anybody.

McCaffrey is absurdly versatile. Punts, kicks, catch, run. I mean, he can really do it all. And we thought we would put together six or seven of the most versatile athletes in the world. And it's remarkable, they're multiple talents. Are you ready for this? Yes. Right.

Number one, Manny Pachio. So Manny Pacquiao has won eight division world championships. 12 different titles, eight divisions. He's also a singer, Joy. Yes. He has released three albums and two other singles not on an album. And oh yes, he's currently a Philippine senator serving a six-year term until 2022. So he's the most accomplished fighter, a singer with albums,

and a senator in the Philippines. That's called versatility. How about Shohei Otani of the Angels? He is a pitcher for them, and he's a designated hitter for the Los Angeles Angels. He joined Babe Ruth. Yes, that's how far you have to go back. Babe Ruth is the only player in Major League Baseball history

with 10 pitching appearances and 20 home runs in a single season. That's incredible, right? We get that. That's incredible. I would say Kyler Murray, who I think is the best athlete in the NFL. So he was a top 10 pick in the Major League draft, and he was the number one pick in the NFL draft. And you can tell me how great LeBron is. LeBron played high school football, didn't even play college football.

This kid was a top 10 pick in both the NFL and Major League Baseball. And the A's, for the record, still retain his right if he ever wants to go back to baseball. So he is a, he's the best athlete in the NFL. How about Portland's own Damian Lillard? Not only a five-time All-Star, one of the great shot makers in the last 10 years in the NBA. I mean, you need a bucket. They're not a lot of guys Damian Lillard is behind.

But he is also like a legitimate hip-hop artist by the name of Dala. I'm going to give you a sample. A lot of guys think they're hip-hop artists. No, he is and sells albums and is actually really good. Then took it over. A lot of foreign talk, but dreaming up on a sofa. Let the seat back. I'm leaning all in the rover.

Make a lot of chips. Life is a game of poker. I be out. Send a shot on some lovey, dovey. Ha-ha, Davis to the bank. I got money, money. Celebrities playing rich. Just a bunch of junkies.

And you know what it'd mean if you see me getting chunky. Dane Dollar. He's really good. By the way, he's got two songs with over 5 million listens on Spotify. How about The Rock? He's amazing, right? He's an American. success story. Football player on the 91

national championship team at the University Miami Hurricanes, right? He's one of the great wrestlers in the history of the sport. I mean, Hulk Hogan and the Rock are about as big as anybody in the history of the sport. And now he's a movie star. He was a 10-time world champ. Now he's a movie star. His movies have made $11

billion. But perhaps the most impressive is Justin Tucker. The Baltimore Ravens kicker will be a first ballot hall of fame kicker. He's unbelievable. Most accurate place kicker in NFL history.

He is also, if you didn't know this, an opera singer. A little teary. Poverrotti couldn't kick field goals. I mean, I like Lamar Jackson. That is actually Justin Tucker, sings in commercials, won an NFL talent show. It's incredible.

He's a world-class opera singer. It's amazing. Isn't that unbelievable? I didn't know that. It's like that's like that wasn't like a shtick A world class opera singer So there you go And I think LeBron's talented

Do you have any secret talents? I don't this is it I mean I don't know I am as you know Joy An occasional magician Yeah you are you are My Instagram page I have some rudimentary tricks of the profession

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And I think we have to have tough conversations right now about pivoting back into the economy. We have to have an economy. We can't wait for a vaccine to go back to work. It's not going to work that way. You'll have, you know, 75% unemployment. As it is, we're probably going to be near 10% unemployment. which is well beyond even a mild recession. That's almost depression level.

So we've got to get the economy going. And it's yesterday, you're going for walks as well. I noticed yesterday people had a little, it was warmer in California. People had a little, there was more positivity. I heard more laughing. People were just happy to be out of the house. But still, practicing social distancing. People were very, very responsible.

If you're walking down a path, you just take the other side 20 yards out. How about you, Joy? Yeah, people are being more mindful about it. You just have to take it serious. That's all. You know, it's not just for you. It's, you want to protect the other people as well. Everyone just wear masks and practice social distancing.

Stay home and we'll do what we can. This is all temporary. Yeah. And there's, it's some real amazing success stories in Oregon. Oregon did a remarkable job with it, only 52 deaths. And they were, had neighboring Washington where the outbreak began. California, 40 million people, about 600 deaths. in my town, we haven't had that hospital surge yet.

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