The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Jon Gruden, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: September 13, 2018

Colin discusses why Oakland Raiders HC Jon Gruden isn't a QB guru, what concerns him about Dallas Cowboys QB Dak Prescott, why he feels Seattle Seahawks QB Russell Wilson doesn't get the respect he deserves, and why he feels Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is injury prone. Guests include Greg Cosell, Doug Gottlieb, Mark Schlereth, and Bucky Brooks. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So great to have you in Thursday tonight. There's an NFL game, Ravens, Bengals, actually two really good teams. That's becoming a really good division. You know, I was thinking about this, and this is the way it works sometime. Dak Prescott's getting a lot of heat. And when Dak Prescott came into the league, for the first five games of his career, I called him Dak and Dunk because everything was underneath. And I didn't see him throw the ball down the field.

I didn't like him in college much. I thought he was Tebow. But then I kind of start watching him and durable and mobile and all the noise in Dallas. He keeps winning games. Don't think he's the elite. Don't think he's an A. Not sure he's ever going to get there, but there are stuff I like about him. But it is interesting about what iconic moments do to a legacy.

I mean, Michael Jordan apparently never missed a shot. You forget that Michael Jordan quit twice, like twice. LeBron misses a game. it becomes a topic on this show. The NBA world like loses it, you know what. If LeBron misses a game, Michael Jordan retired twice, just left the sport. Didn't even tell the Bulls until the end the first time. But John Elway didn't win his Super Bowl until his 15th year.

He threw a lot of interceptions. Not only lost three Super Bowls, was destroyed in three Super Bowls, 4210, 55, 10. John Elway was crazy. Do you understand with social media, we'd crush Elway today? Loser can't win the big one. But then he gets Terrell Davis, wins, retires, holding the trophy. It just stamps him.

It redefines him. People now even say he's better than Joe Montana. He was terrible in Super Bowls. Many of them. This happens to Eli Manning. Eli Manning's a C-plus quarterback. Only two years of his entire career. He's won a playoff game.

But he beat the Patriots. he is a 59% completion, 83 quarterback rating quarterback in the regular season. Eli Manning's a C plus quarterback. But he had that nice playoff run twice. And I'm thinking about Dak Prescott. When the three biggest brands in the NFL are Dallas, Green Bay, and Pittsburgh, the numbers are bigger. Now, New England gets numbers now because of Brady. But when Brady retires, New England will not get these numbers.

the three biggest brands in the NFL. The Cowboys, whatever network they're on, get the biggest rating. And the Green Bay Packers get the biggest rating after the Cowboys. Then in Pittsburgh, Steelers get the big ratings. Now, again, those they pop. And those games are memorable. You can remember great far of games. I can remember great games.

Colin Kaepernick, you could argue there's three best games ever. We're against the Packers. When I think of Colin Kaepernick, I think of in red uniform running for 45. yards against the Green Bay Packers in those White Road Units. In fact, we have a picture of it. Like, that's all I think about with Kaepernick. You know, I think about the anthem stuff, too, because that's part of his brand.

But when I think of Kaepernick, Kaepernick was great against the Packers. And I fell for it. I remember being on the show. Steve Young and I over at the old place, I was like, this kid's it. This kid's it. Everybody tells me he's smart. He can run like crazy. He's tall. He's got a rocket arm. And I fell for him. And then when it was all

sudden down, I was like, He's kind of below average. Think about Dak Prescott. Three of his biggest games, the number one brand in the country, Dallas Cowboys, number two's Packers. Three of Dak's biggest games have been against the Green Bay Packers. Against the Green Bay Packers, his passer rating is 108. Against the Green Bay Packers, he throws for 270 yards.

Am I doing the same thing with Dak as I did with Kaepernick? When Kaepernick broke in the league, I was like, nah, you watched them in college. And I watched him against the Packers. I'm like, ah, he's great. And when it was all said and done, I was like, I wouldn't build my team around him. And Dak Prescott out of college, I'm like,

nah, a guy can't play. He's a tight end. He's Tebow. And he has these three great games against the Packers. And I'm like, yeah, woohoo. And now I'm left with sometimes the guy didn't even throw up for 200 yards of game. And this is what iconic moments do.

They redefine you. They stamp you. They really do. with Dak Prescott is fascinating to me because I'm sitting there this morning and I'm like, did I fall for it again? Doubt a guy out of college, go against my better instincts, doubt him. Then he plays the Packers. Niners Packers games?

Those were playoff games, Kaepernick had. Two playoff and won the Fox game of the week. Those got massive numbers. Highest rated, I think those were some of the highest rated games. That was that two-year period where the NFL rating spiked. That was pre-Trump. when it wasn't all this political polarization, and we were just talking football day.

And then Dak comes in. Remember, I doubted him his first five games in the NFL. And then he went to Green Bay, and he threw all these yards, and I was like, okay, I'm not going to call him Dak and Dunk anymore. And I was just sick and driving in this morning. Did I fall for it again? I went against my instincts. I went against him.

I didn't like him out of college. I didn't buy it. He didn't go in the first round. Watched him early, didn't go. And all of a sudden, Packer games? I see three of those things? I've watched every single Packer game with Aaron Rogers and Brett Farr for 20 years.

However, I don't miss Packer's games. I've watched every single one of them. And it's funny because DAC, I didn't buy. Now I'm on Team Dak. And I've got to tell you, scouts, GMs, coaches. Landon Collins came out yesterday and literally said, we just have to stop Zeke. If we put the game in Dak's hands,

we have a much better shot at winning. That's a wow quote. call out. That's a callout. That is a... Landon College, a good player for the Giants. Came out and just said it. We put the... Make DAC have the ball.

That's a better chance at winning. A total callout from an elite player. And he's not the only one saying it. A lot of people are. Maybe I fell for it. Packer games have a way of altering reality. They did it to me once. Have they done it again?

Let me shift gears to Gruden. You ever drive? drive by a restaurant, best chili in town. Every time I drive in Los Angeles, I get off the freeway, there's this little hamburger place. It always says, best hamburger in Los Angeles. You've seen that before. You drive by a restaurant, there's a sign, best pizza in America.

I'm always like, well, prove it to me. Why, because you got a good Yelp review that your assistant general manager put on Yelp last night? What does that mean? Prove it to me. John Gruden, everybody keeps telling me as a quarterback guru. I watched Monday. Derek Carr looked rattled.

Amari Cooper had a horrible game. And John Gruden took a shot yesterday at Derek Carr for not hitting an open Amari Cooper against the Rams. Listen here. We had more first downs in the second half, had more time of possession. Perhaps we would have seen more Cooper. But you look at the film, we had him open, wide open deep. We didn't go there.

He was open a couple times. for whatever reason we didn't go that route. But yeah, we want to get him going. That's easier said than done now. That's kind of a shot at Derek Carr. So let me ask you this. For all you people that put outside your restaurant, best chili in town, best burger in America,

world's best pizza. I keep hearing that John Gruden's a quarterback guru. He had nine quarterbacks in Tampa, none developed into stars. He had four quarterbacks in Oakland. Rich Gannon won an MVP. The year after, Rudin left. You know what I think happened? He was the first TV analyst to really talk only

quarterbacks. He created that quarterback camp over at the other place. Now, I talk quarterbacks now, Dilfer talks quarterbacks now. Ten, 12 years ago, John Gruden was the first analyst that branded himself, I'm a quarterback guru. And we all know how business works. First in matters. There's a lot of delivery companies out there, but UPS was the first one. You got FedEx and that one from Germany and there's a lot of Airborne Express. When you're first in, McDonald's was the first people to kind of figure out the mass production of hamburgers. There's been a lot of copier since. But a lot of the reason they win, they were first in.

And Gruden was first in on, I'm talking quarterback. And that's all I'm talking quarterback camp. And so I think it's taken his brand and his reality and trumped it up. I don't get it. And here's the irony of it. There is a quarterback guru in the National Football League, and there's nobody close to him. Oh, my bad, there is one guy close to him.

Geographically, Kyle Shanahan lives across the bridge from the quarterback guru. Kyle Shanahan turned Matt Schaubb into a pro bowler, bust RG3 into rookie of the year. He turned Matt Ryan into an MVP. and Jimmy Garoppolo last year was 5 and 0 with them. I could also throw up a Brian Hoyer Cleveland stat, and it was the last time Cleveland was interesting. Brian Hoyer was a quarterback.

Kyle Shanahan was the quarterback coach. We do have a quarterback guru, and unlike world's best pizza, best chili in town, best hamburger in Los Angeles, I've actually got proof beyond a Yelp review. I've got data. Matt Shob had a not. 99 quarterback rating and it was a pro bowler under Kyle Shadahan.

RG3, a bust. Out-duled Andrew Luck for rookie of the year. Matt Ryan, 38 TD 7 picks MVP of the league with him. He left. Wasn't the same quarterback. And Jimmy Garoppolo's lost one game with him. If you're going to tell me you have the world's best pizza and your quarterback guru,

you got to give me some proof. I know that Gruden tore it up with Tide Detmer for a while. But even the Green Bay years for Gruden. He was a wide receiver coach. He wasn't running the quarterback room. I'm not anti-Gruden. But quarterback guru, we got one in the Bay Area. It's Kyle Shanahan.

And one of the reasons I like Garoppolo, if Garoppolo would have been traded to Cleveland, I wouldn't like him so much. One of the reasons I like Garapolo, that's his running mate for the next eight, ten years. I'm going to win a lot of games. By the way, I like Jared Gough. I don't love him yet. One of the reasons I may love him is Sean McVeigh. I watched Gruden rip Derek Carr yesterday in my life.

I'm thinking, that's kind of the opposite of what a new coach should say to a quarterback, by the way, and Derek Carr that's been beat up a little bit, had a back injury. He's had some injuries. When you have injuries, you lose confidence. Derek Carr, a couple of times on Monday. I think I'm not the only person that saw this. Is a little gun shy back there? He's getting rid of the ball when he doesn't have to.

I think we all saw that. Get to claim world's best pizza, man. You got to do more than a Yelp review. Coming up next. I know this is going to be weird to say, but not getting hurt is actually a skill. It's not a glamorous one. But is it something Aaron Rogers is bad at,

and it's not just a coincidence. I'm told he will play this weekend, by the way, from a strange source who would know, but he will play this weekend against Minnesota. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Borrow up to 40 grand to pay off your credit cards.

Lendingclub.com slash sports. Loan made by Webbank, member FDIC, Lendingclub.com slash sports. So it's weird. You know, the man up, I'm not an overly religious person, but the man upstairs, or maybe it's your parents, give you a DNA. And some people get sick more than others. Some people get hurt more than others. And, you know, I read a story years ago about parenting, and they said, you know,

90% of parenting is the night you're conceived. And you're not going to be able to overcome some stuff, and you'll be given certain gifts and certain liabilities by DNA. And you go from there. And parents buy all these. books and do all these classes and put you in private schools. But, you know, in the end, some people are just given gifts. Some people are given liabilities. It is what it is. My son never gets sick. My daughter gets sick more. I don't know what it is. He's never sick. He's never

sick. 12 years. I've known him 12 years. As six, actually, the first six, I was working a lot of hours. But he's never sick. John Lynch played in the NFL. I mean, John Lynch, one of the hardest hitters I've ever seen. Now the GM of the San Francisco 49ers never had a concussion. If you watch John Lynch play, it looked like every hit was a concussion. He never had one. I've asked him. He's like, I never had a concussion. I don't know how that's possible. John's got a rock head, except it's full of brains and stuff. He went to Stanford. So athletes do not like to be called injury prone. They don't like it. Like, somehow it's lessening their manhood. And Aaron Rogers tends to have rabid ears anywhere. He hears all the criticism. But I want to show you this play against the bears. How close Aaron Rogers was.

I'm going to show you different angles was from being out for a long time. Number 95 of the bears, if that guy had an extra ham sandwich for lunch, three more pounds, Aaron's out for the year. That is a potentially disastrous. Look at this right here. Look at the weight on Aaron. It's uncomfortable to watch. Oh, God. God. That's brutal. That is brutal. That's a 332 man. And I'm saying this about Aaron Rogers. He's not going to like this.

He tore his ACL in high school. He broke his foot as a backup to Favre. In 2010, he had concussions. In 2013, broken clavicle. In 2014, he tore a calf and was hurt in the playoffs. In 2017, he broke his clavicle and that. Listen, Tom Brady has had one fluke injury that's now an illegal hit where he was standing and a defensive lineman came out of a pile,

hit him in the knee out for a year. But he and Eli Manning don't get hurt. Aaron Rogers is 6-2-2-20. And when he retires and doesn't lift weights, he'll go down to about 208-212. He's not a big guy. He plays loose. Aaron's a little cocky.

He's confident bordering on cocky. And he plays confident bordering on cocky. He sort of believes he gets to the line of scrimmage. I can make stuff happen. The bottom line is Tom Brady. plays a system. Tom's not a cocky player. He's a confident player.

But I say this about Aaron Rogers. Colin, you're reaching. You are, let me ask you, if Aaron Rogers, and we're talking an inch more pressure, and I'm told he will play this Sunday, it's not being reported yet. It's a weird source.

This is the only time this source has given me the story. It's a source I deeply trust. I'm told Aaron Rogers will play Sunday. Nobody in Green Bay is saying, yes. Aaron's not saying yes. Minnesota's presuming yes. Folks, if that's an injury, we got a broken foot, concussions, broken clavicle, torn calf, broken clavicle, and whatever that would be called. You're getting to a point now with Aaron. It's like, dude, you've got to reel it back in. You are 35 in December. You know how it is, man. When those injuries start piling up,

go ask Derek Rose. When those injuries start piling up, 30, 32, 34. Peyton Manning. It doesn't get easier. It gets harder. So it's one of those things. I know he's great, but does he have to adapt his style? I would say a little bit. By the way, don't complain about the Packers' offensive line.

In the last decade, they've had twice as many Pro Bowl offensive linemen as Tom Brady. Aaron's got to maybe tweak that style a little bit. Tom Brady a couple years ago started practicing being sacked. We are not that far off from Aaron. And this stinks because he is great and he is fun to watch. We're not that far off from him being out for a long time. You watch that from above that video? You know how you ever watch stuff on TV and you kind of wince?

You're kind of like, oh, God. The Joe Thysman stuff's the worst I've ever seen. I can't watch. I saw it once live, can't watch it. But you start getting to these injuries where you're like, when you do that as a viewer, either somebody got really hurt or somebody was close to getting really hurt. Your natural reaction, which is, ugh, is,

That's, it's natural. You're seeing what we're seeing. 330 pound guy, one extra ham sandwich. Aaron's out for nine weeks. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Well, Aaron's not out yet. He's proved once again that he's the NFL's John Snow coming back to life. He had what looked like any injury in week one. And he led Green Babe to a comeback win against the Bears. And now the hype train is, hype train is full speed ahead. Mike Zimmer, Ty Montgomery, and Kirk Cousins have now compared him to someone else who historically rose up. Jesus.

Oh, Lord. I'm a big Jesus guy, and it just kind of felt like, you know, you would have thought Jesus was walking out of the tunnel. Just the way the energy picked back up and, you know, we were joking with each other. And it was like in the third quarter, he rose again and just, you know, resurrected this football team, this football game, this stadium. It was, it was crazy. You know, he walks on water, so I'm sure he's going to play. He came into the league much earlier than me, and I think he flies a little bit different altitude than I do, you know.

Okay, well, I don't think Jesus flies. I think Jesus ascends and descends. Yeah, I think you're right on that. But Jesus does walk on water. He does. And he does come back from the dead. He does. After three days rest.

Right. So, and Rodgson take three days. but is this just Brady fatigue? Is that what this is? I am so over the Brady Rogers comparisons. It's like, you know, it's like something, it's like what we talk about on Wednesdays on radio shows. Like Monday we talk about the games.

Friday we talk about the games. Wednesday we're like, a little too soon to preview the Thursday night. Yeah. But I have been told, and I'm not a guy that cares about breaking news that much. Like I'm not on the, I'm not a soldier on the ground breaking stories like, you know,

Peter Shreger. I am told from a source I trust. Aaron's going to play. It's a very good source. That would know Aaron's going to play. I mean, I'm sure the Vikings are preparing for him to play either way. But are they preparing for Jesus? Is the bigger question. All right. So, Jalen Ramsey is taking some shots at some of the best players in the NFL, including Rob Gankowski. But Belichick, you may have heard this, is not the biggest proponent of trash talk or social media. There's enough time for that nonsense. So he had a typical Belichick non-answer whenever he was asked whether he's addressed his players about the potential war of words with the Jags.

Look, we know when the game starts, and we'll be ready to go. I'm sure they will, too, and we'll see what happens. Right now we're focused on our preparation for the game. We have a lot of respect for, I have a lot of respect for coaching around their coaching staff, their players, their team, and hopefully we'll be ready to go. Gronk also gave a kind of Belichick answer. I'm preparing like I always prepare. I just have to go out there and do my job on the field and just worry about.

that. This is not the type of thing. I think Belichick gets, I don't even think Belichick thinks about if the team that he is playing has trash chockers on it. No, I think, but I do think Belichick, and it was very obvious after the game Sunday. Belichick has, he's smart. A lot of old, successful coaches get rigid like a Bobby Knight. They get rigid, feet in the sand. Belichick complimented Gronks spike. after Sunday's game, which was, to me, it was, if you, he went public with it, laughed about it, and that's the new Belichick, which is, I've got to lighten up a little bit. Did you see you when it was in the locker room?

Somebody, I swear, no, this may have been false, but on Instagram, I saw Meek Mill was in the locker room after the game. And I'm like, I think that's Belichick sort of embracing my players get an opinion, my players matter, I can't be as dogmatic. I think Belichick's smart enough to see. we got cultural changes happening in professional sports. Players want opinions and deserve them. Well, Meek is friends with Bob Kraft. He is.

So that's possible. I'll check on that for you. Finally, you mentioned earlier in the show, who misses a Packers game. Well, is it possible to be a football guy and miss the Super Bowl? Well, Jags coach Doug Marone, had this big reveal yesterday. Doug, you never watched the Super Bowl? No.

Not even live? No. I got a question about if I saw a coach. Wasn't it last year? Someone asked me about that I watched Coach Golf in Super Bowls? I'm like, no. I don't know why everyone doesn't believe that. So, like, what was the last Super Bowl you did watch?

Probably when I wasn't coaching, I was allowed to gamble. Probably when I was, like, 12. You know what? People, if you work at a pizza restaurant, you don't go home and eat pizza. Oh, yes, you do. You do? Yes. I worked at a pizza restaurant in college.

I took a pizza home almost every night. That's all I ate when I worked at a pizza restaurant. I'm never surprised by people in the NFL saying, I don't watch the Super Bowl. We just lost in the NFC Championship. I'm over it. If you lose in the NFC Championship game, maybe you don't watch it because you're being petty or salty about it or hurt that year. But you just never watch the Super Bowl. You know what people say to me constantly?

And I get this. I swear to God, I get this constantly. When I'm off, people are like, who's doing your show? I'm like, I don't know. Well, that's different. I'm like, I took the show off. I figure it's got Lebe. But I don't, generally when I take the day.

off. I'm taking a day off. I'm with you. I'm with you. Okay. Yeah. But you're you're not taking the day off on the biggest day on the Monday after the Super Bowl, right? So maybe if you took off that day, you might be like, oh, let me make sure that things are okay because I have to be off. If I took that day off, I get fired. It's not a big day. Right. So you want you got to watch the Super Bowl. Like, I get it like if you're upset that you didn't make it, but that's where the two best teams are playing. You may want to take some notes as a head coach just, just saying.

That's all I'm saying. If you missed the cut at the U.S. Open, would you watch the rest of the U.S. Open? Maybe not immediately, but you're going to watch it back eventually. Don't you want to study your opponents at the highest level? And yes, you eat pizza. You take home pizza. I would take on pizza almost every night. It's not the most healthy diet.

But you know, you're in college. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lide News. Doug Gottlieb, joining us today. By the way, Doug is a friend, associate, tax Aaron Rogers. Yeah, the two famous people Doug knows are Kobe Bryant and Aaron Rogers.

You know them. You have, you have. And you, apparently, you don't care that I fill in for you when you're out. No, not that I don't care for you, but when I take a day off, I take a day off. By the way, you have a relationship with Kobe Bryant. It's real. And you have glasses of wine with him. And you have a, you know, you're a former athlete.

You know, jocks like jocks. I'm an outsider. You're an insider. love you. And I'll say this about Aaron. We're a ham sandwich from that. I mean, you watch that video and you're like, ooh, that's that guy's that guys get hurt in this league. I don't see

Aaron as a runner, but he is a play extender. And this is why Big Ben hobbles like an old batting cage now. Does Aaron have to kind of, he's 35 in December. I know the video you showed, though, was in the pocket, right? That's not running. That's in the pocket.

That's ducking for your life, you know? which Brady has learned to take a knee. I think... I'm like looking at that. Look, here's the thing. The Tom Brady rule. Remember, Carson Palmer tore his ACL when Kimmel Van O'Hoffen rolled into his leg.

The same thing happened with Ben Rathesberger, I believe, against the then San Diego Chargers, but he was okay. They didn't change that rule until Tom Brady tore his ACL and almost toured again to have like, hey, now you can't hit anybody the knee in below. Yeah. If you realize the NFL actually,

changed a rule in the office season. Everybody's talking about the helmet rule. The rule, they changed for Aaron Rogers and break, and honestly I think it's the Aaron Rogers rule. Is the Aaron Roger rule or the Tony Romo rule, which is you can't land with your weight on a quarterback. I think that's very much an Aaron Rogers rule. So I understand what you're saying where he was

this close to getting hurt. And he's got a list here. He's not a huge guy. No, he's not. On the other hand, he's not Cam Newton. But you're pointing out these injuries. The clavicle is one that they're now able to prevent. Yes, he tore a cap, but he played with it and played well enough to beat Seattle in Seattle, if not for the team, completely

gagging and choking against the Seahawks in the NFC championship game. And here's where athletes get bothered by your injury prone. Matt Holliday is a dear friend of mine. He's making a comeback with the Colorado Rockies. A couple years ago, when he was a free agent two years ago, for the Yankees signed him, people said, well, he's injury prone. He's like, yeah, I got hit on the thumb with a fastball and broke my thumb. That's not injury prone.

Injury prone is, like Leonard Ford. Fournette pulls the hamstring, will he play week two? When it's soft tissue, when it's your knee, when it's your back, when you have chronic issues with injuries that constantly limit you, when it's a yearly thing, that's when you're injury prone. He's had some bad luck. I don't believe Aaron Rogers is injury prone, and I think he's smart in that he does slide every time out of the pocket. And yes, though he moves the pocket and moves the chains, he understands that the way to prolong your career is in the pocket. look at Philip Rivers, who's a 200-plus consecutive starts. Eli Manning, you point out, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, all of these guys are only putting themselves

in harm's risk if they leave the pocket. By the way, I like proof on stuff. If you're going to tell me a guy's a great coach, then show me proof of it. I like data. I'm kind of a nerd that way. Kyle Shanahan has taken guys and literally changed fundamentally their numbers. Matt Ryan's a good quarterback. He was the league's best.

They're a radio host. Lots of them saying, you know, he's really Aaron Rogers. He's not Aaron Rogers. Matt Schaub met a Pro Bowl. RG3 was a bust, except when Kyle Shanahan. Even Brian Hoyer in Cleveland, best year. Jimmy Garapolo. Everybody's calling Gruden a quarterback guru.

He had nine quarterbacks in Tampa. None hit. Where's the guru thing? Well, Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. Yeah, on a defense. And Rich Gannon, he was pretty good. And Rich Gannon won an MVP. Brad Johnson's called Captain Checkdown.

I understand, but he won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson as his quarterback. Does that make you a guru, or does it make Tony Dungey's defense he handed you great? Well, then fine, then he handed Bill Callahan, a team that went to the Super Bowl. Like, his coaching was so good with Rich Gannon. Rich Gannon was drafted as a defensive back, a defensive back from the Kansas City Chiefs, became a quarterback with Minnesota, and then was an MVP under John Gruden. Here's how good his offensive system was. The reason that they had no offense against the Tampa Buccaneers in the Super Bowl was,

they didn't change anything. He was gone for an entire year, and even all the audibles remained the same. That's because Gruden's system does in fact work. Look, I think there's a lot of professional and frankly unprofessional jealousy over the numbers in Gruden's contract. And the reason that he's getting $90 to $100 million was he had a lifetime appointment on Monday night football. And he said, if you want to make me leave this seat, you've got to give me F you money. And they gave him FU money. And the only, and he's not making that money until they moved to Vegas when they ultimately get that big paycheck. Yeah, the back end of this contract is massive.

Right. He's the only guy who's had success in Oakland over the last 30 years. He's the only guy who they could have hired that would have sparked up the attention of Vegas Raider fans that would sell seats that would sell private seat licenses. This is about the jealousy is simply about the money. He's a very good football guy. What happened on Monday night football is the same thing that happened on Sunday night football. When the script ran out, when the script, ran out, Mitch Trubisky showed he can't play.

The Bears had a 20-0-0 lead and had no offense against the Green Bay Packers who aren't exactly the 85 Bears. Why is that? Because the script of plays ran out. When the script of plays ran out, Derek Carr looked like a guy who couldn't play. The fear of Derek Carr was... Are you telling me Derek Carr's overrated? I think there's...

I think based upon what we have the last 17 games, the answer is yes. Now, before that, remember, the Raiders were a playoff team. He gets hurt. they have no offense under the previous regime. This is going back two seasons ago. But if you watch that game, and the same thing happens with almost every could. Adam Gase, I thought, did an incredible job early in the game with their offense in Miami. But after that, it becomes a hot mess.

The really good quarterbacks, when the script runs out, they get better. That's what happens with Philip Rivers. That's what happens with Aaron Rogers. Right? When they go, forget the script, give me the ball, everybody go out, and I'll get you open. And I think the big issue with Oakland is not the decision that, decision that he made, of course their defense is going to suffer in pass rush when you trade away Khalil Mack. They did so for cap room for the future and for draft picks in the future. But you did

so because you had a, what you think is a franchise quarterback. And Derek Carr did not look like a franchise quarterback in that limited instance playing at home against a very good, very talented and a team that's going to improve in the L.A. Rams. By the way, I got to show you something with Lavian Bell. And we're talking about data. Let's say Lavian Bell's agent. I'm the dealers. Yes. And Lavian Bell's agent came into my office. You know what I would do? I would handing him a piece of paper and this is what the paper would look like. They're honestly as good or better without him. They score more. More yards. They pass for more. They're better on third down. Just because you can be a great player, for instance, a pool is more valuable in Phoenix

than Seattle. All right. An umbrella more about, well, it's pretty valuable in Phoenix, too. Lavian Bell, if you put them on the Jets today, would be their best running back, their best tight end, and their best receiver. Lavian Bell, with two great receivers, a very good offensive line. Big Ben is simply incredibly replaceable in Pittsburgh. James Connor leads the NFL in rushing and scrimmage yards. If you start looking at Lavee and Bell, forget the two drug suspensions.

I don't think he's that valuable on this. The number's bared out. I mean, when you give me yards and wins and plays and third down, they're better without him. Well, there's also a lack of context there in terms of the level of competition. When they played in the playoffs without him a couple years ago, they had no offense. I think Levi-on-Bell is an incredible talent. I do too. And it's not James Connor was, James Connor was amazing on Saturday.

I don't know what's going on with his hair. I don't know the advice he's getting. He's a remarkable story. A kid who beat cancer. A guy who's a backup. He's handled itself with grace. but whoever cuts your hair, dude, come on, just get a normal haircut anyway. But it's the ability to do it for 16 or 17 weeks and in the playoffs.

Levyon Bell is great. But what he risks is the Trev Alberts. Remember Treve Alberts? We worked together at the other place. Treve Alberts didn't like the fact that he wasn't on college game day and he was in the studio. And he got up and he walked off and he said, ah, this place, the studio show sink without me. And then they just moved Lou Holtz into his seat. And they were fine.

They were fine. And I think that's what the Steelers are saying. Like, look, we want you here. We are better with you. But we've established your value. You can make $14 million guaranteed. You can worry about free agency down the road. In the meantime, we're kind of better without you.

The offensive line blocked harder without you because they're mad because you said you'd be here. And you decided not to be here. You know, instead of drawing a perfect wedge between the players and the front office, he allowed the other players the office. I've never seen ever in the history. the NFL. Four offensive linemen come out essentially in support of the front office, low-balling a member of their offensive unit, let alone a running back. That's never happened before. That speaks volumes for the lack of equity that Levyon Bell must have inside that offensive

room because we've never seen it. I still think the numbers be damned. They're much better with 26 running in the black and yellow. By the way, Jets have 105 in cap space. Levy and would answer, he would solve a lot of problems for the Jets. Look, they're going to be, I think the Jets are setting themselves up for a very successful run in the future. You and I have been on board with Sam Donald

since the moment he took his first snap. Remember, he didn't start his first couple games. I don't know what they were doing at practice at USC that they couldn't see it. Everybody else could see it. Max Brown, really? But they're setting themselves up for a smart and prosperous future. But I do think it's interesting.

You know, they got rid of Sheldon Richardson. They got made of Mohamed Wilkerson, which the same type of moves that John Gruden is making, right? Now they have their franchise quarterback under a rookie scale what they do in the future. And I think Todd Bowles has showed himself to be a successful coach for the long term. I love it. Winning five games last year with that roster is incredible. He did not lose the team. And he badly out-coached and out-prepared his team, his defense for Matt Patricia and whatever that

offense was that they chose to run in Detroit the other night. All right. Greg CoSell, top of the hour. I got to go. I'm running late. Doug Gottlieb after my show, Fox Sports Radio. Download the all-ball podcast, Scott Brooks this week. It's incredible. The hurt. All right. My staff handed me a story. I don't even want to talk about it. Russell Westbrook knee surgery. Going to miss some games this year for Oklahoma. I don't even want to talk about it. I'll be seen as a Westbrook basher. Just do it. I'm not. Nope. I don't want to have that brand anymore. It was a big headline yesterday. Okay. Let's talk about it.

Russell Westbrook's going to miss games. He's having surgery. Let me start by saying this. I have never been a huge proponent of athletically dynamic score first point guards. They don't really win titles. Iverson, Marbury, John Wall, Derek Rose, Westbrook, Stevie Francis. They don't win titles. But in the doldrums of January, hell of fun on the highlights.

Talked about merchandise popular. They become very popular with the board NBA media trying to make up stories December, January, February, and early March. Iverson, Marbury, John Wall, Westbrook, can't turn the TV off. If you don't want to watch the game, the great highlights. You can say, Colin, Steph Curry won titles. He's not athletically dynamic. He's a great shooter. Jason Kidd won titles.

He wasn't a score first point guard. Yeah, I guess Kyrie Irving would classify as a guy that won, but you do realize what he did before Braun. Nothing. Sub 500, way under 500, it was hurt. What happens to all dynamic point guard, score first guys, two things happen. After about eight, nine years, you start noticing something. A, they don't get very far in the playoffs. And then about year eight, nine, ten, oh, they're having surgeries on their knees stuff. The superstar athletically dynamic score first point guards become the mobile quarterback in the NFL.

The media falls in love. They're great for highlights. Can't turn them off. Can't turn them off television. They're so different, so unique, so fun. They win awards. They sell merchandise. And then after about 8, 9, 10 years with a running quarterback, two things happen. And they're the same two things that happen. and they don't get very far in the playoffs

and they start having surgeries on their knees. I am not here to bash Westbrook. I have decided to be more Westbrook friendly this year. It sounds like you're saying that he is an all-time great player. What I'm saying is mobile quarterbacks and athletically dynamic score first point guards often feel the same to me. They wow us, they blow us away, and in long, regular seasons, they are absolutely captivating.

You can't turn Westbrook off. When he's having one of those 40-point nights, you can't turn the TV off. He can't turn the TV off. When Steve Young broke into the NFL, first couple of years, when he wasn't a pass where he was more of a runner, he couldn't turn. Steve Young was running all over the field. Joe Montana back in the podcast. Steve Young's, he had a run against the Minnesota Vikings down the sideline, 45 yards,

breaking tackles. You're like, oh my God! But what happens, unless you become a pocketer, quarterback or you become more of a I'm going to stop here not drive pull up hit a three it always happens about eight nine years eight and nine with both the mobile quarterback and the athletic dynamic point guard who's a score first guy is that you start adding up all the titles and they don't have any and about years nine they get a little less athletic because they're having surgeries and so that's not to say westbrook's not going to be amazing an average 30 points and he is going to be

but it's a cautionary tale. I saw that story. Steph Curry can shoot forever. Kobe could have shot forever. Dirk Novitsky is still playing and he can shoot forever. Dynamic guys, they fall off cliffs. They fall off cliffs physically. Was that negative?

I don't feel that was a negative Westbrook rant. I would classify that under as a data-driven, research-induced Westbrook. opinion. With just a sprinkle of your normal Westbrook. I found that to be almost bordering on optimistic. That was- For you for Westbrook, yes. That was bordering on positive for Westbrook.

I just, these dynamic score first point guards, it's the same thing. You look up nine years in, you're like, where are the titles? Oh, they're having knee surgery. John Wallace had a couple knee surgeries. You look up and you're like, where are the titles? Okay, now I's had a couple knee surgery. I'm just saying, I don't count Curry in that because he's not athletically dynamic.

He pulls up and shoots from 34 feet. And Jason Kidd was a path to the end. Jason Kidd was a distributor more than a score. He was athletically amazing. About the fastest guy maybe I've ever seen play basketball was John Wall and Jason Kidd. They go from court end to end faster than anybody I've ever seen play. Greg Kohl-Sells around the corner. yesterday

I cannot I literally I'm from the Pacific Northwest I don't understand this I don't get it I don't get the critics of Russell Wilson including his own coach and his own teammates

Albert Breer said something yesterday at the end of our show I thought about it all day I just don't understand it I just don't understand it that's coming up in LA hour two Greg CoSell The Herd

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It's my NFL meat sandwich on Thursdays every week at this time. It'll happen in about five minutes. Joy Taylor is joining me for hour number two in Los Angeles today. I try to stay above the fray. I don't get emotional. You know, I don't want to be up here yelling, screaming at clouds. and stuff, but there is one thing that bothers me. When in sports and in life, when somebody is not an attention seeker or a credit seeker,

and they're exceptional and loud people around them get too much credit, and they're quiet, driven, head down, and they don't get enough credit. And this happens in business. It happens in life. You know, the old saying the squeaky wheel gets the whatever it is. Isn't that saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease? Russell Wilson's classy. He's classy.

Works hard. He didn't swear. Lose the Super Bowl. Goes up. It's almost shocking how composed he is. But he played for several years. He plays with Coach Pete Carroll. Make a lot of noise.

Richard Sherman making a lot of noise. And Michael Ben making a lot of noise. Camp Chancellor, making a lot of noise. So Albert Breer, who is very tied in. He runs Monday morning quarterback. Peter King left is now his, and he is sharp and tied in. Very tight in. MMQB did a story on Russell Wilson, his relationship with the Seattle locker room.

Here's what Albert Breer said about Russell and the Seahawks locker room. Those defensive players did not feel like Russell Wilson was being held accountable or being held to the same standard that a lot of them were. And that issue there was only exacerbated when some of those guys were shown the door in the offseason. And so I think there really is this feeling in that organization. You know what? We got to hold Russell Wilson accountable. And if he's going to get another contract here, he's going to have to earn it.

What? He's going to have to earn it? Okay. You do realize this franchise has mostly been a laughing stock my entire life. He won a Super Bowl. And when he did and he did, he was making. $700,000. You owe him

for what he's elevated the franchise net worth, for what he did to the city, you owe him. And I'm not a big believer in owing people stuff, because I think he's great anyway. You've got to be kidding me. The only reason we know who Richard Sherman is is because of Russell Wilson. You wouldn't have been

on Sunday night football. You wouldn't have been in the playoffs. You wouldn't have been in Super Bowls. You wouldn't have been on TV. You would have been a Stanford corner playing for a bad football team. And Matt Flynn would have been your quarterback and you would have been six and Pete Carroll fired twice. Pete Carroll, seven and nine, seven and nine. Russell Wilson gets drafted. Pete Carroll suddenly, what's the difference?

Wins 13 games, 12 games, 11 games, Super Bowls. Richard Sherman was drafted the year before Russell Wilson. When Richard Sherman was the man, they were seven and nine. When Russell Wilson got to the team, they started making Super Bowls. Seattle is already geographically isolated. there. It's out in the middle of nowhere. You can reach out and touch Alaska. Okay? Their games are not on TV without Russell Wilson. They had Matt Flynn making $10 million a year. Russell Wilson walked into camp, beat him out.

And then for the next four years, five years, six years, even now, they're on NBC Sunday Night Football, Fox Game of the Week, Monday night football, Thursday night football, only because of Russell Wilson. Earn? Earn it? You've got to be out of your gourd. He has to earn another contract? You want a Super Bowl making 700 G's? Good God. I mean, here's the other thing about Seattle's defense. It was great for four years.

Baltimore's was great for two decades. Seattle self-promoted. Pete Carroll, because he's a defensive guy, gassed him up. They self-promoted. They had endorsements. They did a lot of... They had nicknames. They had nicknames.

Baltimore's was great for two decades. As long as Ray Lou. has played, and it was blue collar, and they didn't self-promote. They just squished you. They made you wince when they hit you. They intimidated you. Seattle's was good for about four years, and it would not have been on television in the most geographically isolated city in America, if not for Russell Wilson. Are people out of their... I'm a Seattleite. This franchise is a zero burger. Russell Wilson, there's two players in the history of this organization. Steve Largett and Russell Wilson.

You take him out and you get into like Walter Jones was awesome, but he was a tackle. There's like three great players in the history of the organization. Walter Jones, Steve Largent, Russell Wilson. Earl Thomas, good, but he could be a cowboy by the end of the week. Earn. God, it's just embarrassing. I don't live in Seattle.

Okay? I hope people up there understand. but all those chatty defensive guys, they're all gone. I mean, it's, Russell's going to be there for another eight years. And the only reason you get it on TV and getting endorsements and getting wins and making it potentially to the playoffs, it's going to be Russell Wilson.

I'm just, I just put me in a bad mood for the whole second hour. I got to get in a better mood. Okay, I look down. Greg Kosell is ready. I'll be in a better mood. 38, 39 years, something I don't know how many years. NFL films. Greg CoSell. Sorry, I get worked up.

Very few people I get adamant defending. Russell Wilson is one of them, and Greg Cell joins us. Greg, how are you? I've got Jim Zorn on the line. He's a little upset with your comments. All right, let's start with this. Let's talk film. Sam Darnel. People going crazy.

What did you see on film with Sam Darn? Are we just, are we hyperventilating here? Well, of course, we hyperventilated over six starts by Dishawne Watson, which doesn't mean there weren't good things that Sam Darnal did. Here's to me what the tape showed, Colin. I thought the Jets coaching staff did an excellent job, and this is what coaching is for, keeping it basic for Darnold with route concepts and design defining the

throws within rhythm. That's what the coaching staff did. Now, what Darnold, I thought, did really, really well, which showed tremendous patience in the pocket on certain throws where he stayed in the pocket and waited with a great understanding of where his bailout throws were. A lot of young quarterbacks don't do that. And he definitely showed efficient movement, which is something that staff did an excellent job. And for the most part, I thought he did a very good job in certain areas. And to me, his best throw was not the touchdown, the long touchdown, because that was a bust. But he had a third down conversion early in the game where he had a wait for the routes to develop and show, and he stayed there and waited, and he knew where to go.

Another young quarterback, Jimmy Garoppolo's getting clobbered because he faced a great defense on the road and he threw some picks. What did the film say? Again, that's another case where I think he'd started seven games prior to this season and he got the money so he was anointed. He's a talented guy. I think one thing that he needs to work on, and it's particularly important in a Kyle Shanahan offense because of all the

in-breaking routes, is I think he needs to develop a little better vision and clarity throwing between the numbers. He has a tendency to make too many throws into traffic. Riles route concepts often work between the numbers, between the hashes. So that's something that you would expect Jimmy Garoppolo to improve on as he gains more experience. Some of this is just Minnesota's loaded. They are loaded. They are absolutely.

I say this. I don't know if they have more A players in the Rams. They don't have many C players on that roster. No, and defensively, they've been together those players for a long time. And those two linebackers, Barr and Kendricks, they're outstanding with the concepts that they're asked to execute, and there's really no weakness at any level. And they're very, very good with their selective blitz concepts. They're not a high percentage blitz defense, but, for instance, that interception that

Garoppolo threw for the touchdown was classic Zimmer. He showed blitz from one side pre-snap, and then came with blitz from the other side once the ball was snapped. Really good, really difficult to deal with as an offense. All right, let's go to a young guy in the AFC, Patrick Mahomes. It almost feels like Andy Reid's teams in September. Like off-season, he's got all these little tricky plays. They blow people up.

They crushed New England a few years ago. Last year, what did you see from Mahomes? What do the tape say? Mahomes is an interesting player. We know we can throw it. We don't need to discuss that. He's a little bit of a risk-taker. Andy Reid is phenomenal at designing plays versus what would be called predictable

and anticipated coverages. And when you play the charges, you tend to get a lot of cover three. so you can design throws and route concepts that are there. He did a really good job with that. And the Chiefs were really innovative in the red zone, in the tight red zone. It'll be interesting to see if more teams don't start doing that. And then they have a route concept, which is called Flood, three-level stretch, three routes, deep, intermediate short to the same side of the field.

Andy Reed is as good as there is at finding innovative ways to run that concept. and he did it really well in this game. It's a route concept that really works well against cover three. So he did a really nice job, and Mahomes made the throws that were available, and his touchdown to Sherman was a great, great throw. You know, when I watched one of the games that was the Jags Giants, and I've kind of been out on Eli for several years. He doesn't extend plays.

It makes some really bad throws still. I think his arm strength doesn't feel as good as it was four or five years. years ago, I felt watching that game against the Jags, it was a completely winnable game, and I thought he left some stuff on the table. But what did the film say? Yeah, I would agree with that. I think he did. I think overall that he was not consistent with his ball placement, and he needs to clean that

up, whether it can be cleaned up. But I will say this. I will say that he's now running a new offense. Pat Shermer's there, so it's a different offense. He's got an offensive line that's an issue. Eric Flowers was a problem at left tackle. now he's a problem at right tackle. And see, what that means, Colin, is that now you have to change things up tactically to compensate for your right tackle.

So now you've got to help him with formation. You've got to help him with tactics like chips, slides. You've got to keep a back in at times. So you've got to do things that limit what you can do with your past game. So when you take all those things and then put it up against the first or second best defense in the NFL, I did not expect a big game for the Giants passing game. This was the best past defense in the NFL last year, I believe, and the Giants O-Line, in addition to Flowers,

is a major work in progress to be kind. So I'm watching the Cowboys. It's not like Cam had a great night, but I've been a fan of Dak, but I never think he's an elite guy. But I think physically he's mobile, he's thick, he can last, he can take hits, he's a good leader, he says stuff when the questions are asked in Dallas, which can be flammable with Jerry Jones.

But boy, you'll watch him against Carolina. And my takeaway was, man, his ceiling is low. When he goes to his second and third option, if the first receiver's taken away, his accuracy dips. I mean, I'm not saying I ever thought he was great, but I came out of that game discouraged by, I hope we have some game film here, discouraged by what I saw. Yeah, and I think there's a couple of things going on. here. First of all, he wasn't particularly accurate, and he needs to be an accurate thrower. That was one concern, by the way, when he came out of Mississippi State, and his first

year in the league, he proved to be very accurate, but that was a concern, and he was not very accurate this past week. No. I think overall, the coaching staff needs to really do some due diligence. It was predominantly zone defense that they played against with Carolina. And when you play zone, the route concepts and combinations have to present guys open. You can attack zones with concepts. They need to do a better job of that. But Dack is not an aggressive thrower. He's not really an anticipatory thrower. And as we've discussed before about some other quarterbacks, there's no statistics for balls that are in thrown that should be thrown. And Dak is not really the kind of guy that will turn it loose. He needs it really well defined.

So John Gruden, I watched the Monday Night Football game Rams and Raiders. And there were, there was one throw in particular where, listen, if you look at Derek Carr's brother's history, got banged around in this league, Derek's been hurt a couple times. I understand when receivers hear footsteps and quarterbacks hear footsteps. But there was one play in particular where Derek had no pressure and threw it up the left side. Right. And Gruden was frustrated. You know, we always talk about, you know, guys worth their money or not.

I think he's worth his money because what are they without him? But, you know, Gruden's frustrated this week. said he missed Amari on multiple occasions. Oh, he sure did. He did. So to you, you were disappointed. I thought that Amari Cooper looked explosively dynamic running routes. And I know fantasy people probably don't understand that.

But I guess maybe John had Jared Cook in his fantasy league. But, you know, Carr was, he was tentative at times. There were some throws he didn't turn loose. You know, I almost felt like he was thinking through the offense as opposed to executing the offense. and maybe that'll get better because it's a new offense. Gruden clearly was enamored with two things. He was enamored with empty sets, and he was enamored with Jared Cook as the single receiver

to the short side of the field on the backside of trips. Those were two things that really stood out on film. But Carr did not seem like he was comfortable. But I will say that it's funny you mention Amari Cooper because I was watching the tape, and I kept seeing Amari Cooper run routes, and boy, did he look quick. By the way, Aaron Rogers' first half can't move the chain. Second half, they obviously, I mean, he's playing on one leg.

They obviously, they must have shortened routes. I mean, that's what the announcers kept saying. But Aaron, sometimes it's almost like he's better out of scripted plays. What did you make of his second half? It's funny you say that because in the second half, because he couldn't move real well, he had to play more within rhythm because he couldn't move. So yes, they got the ball out a lot quicker. there were some throws where he did have time in the pocket,

and once that happened, I mean, the touchdown he threw to Geronimo Allison, the 39-yarder. He had a lot of time in the pocket. That was a late in the down throw, and you couldn't have handed the ball to Allison any better than Aaron Rogers did there. That was a big, big-time throw. But, no, he had time in the pocket more so in the second half than they did in the first half. They just protected better.

Let's go. Greg, yours, give us a play of the week when you really break it down for our television audience specifically. Let's go to that game winning, that secret behind the game winning pass to the Bears over the middle. Okay, let's start it right now, Colin, and we'll take a look at the play

because it was obviously, first of all, you can see he had time and he throws it to Cobb in the middle of the field and Randall Cobb has plenty of room to run for a long touchdown and just the kind of play that breaks the back of a defense. But this was a fascinating play because there you see

Cobb in the slot to the trip side. So he's the number two receiver. There's Bryce Callahan. He's the slot corner. Notice he's outside of Cobb. That's Eddie Jackson, the safety. They're actually doubling Cobb on this play with Callahan and Jackson. Look at Callahan outside, almost bracketing. Look at Jackson staring right at Cobb. So what happens here is Cobb's going to break inside. So what happens is the safety Jackson jumps him and Callahan drops off to help out. But this is really good by Rogers and Cobb, because this is the adjustment you make when you get later in the down. Notice now that you have Jackson all the way to the other side of the field. Cobb stops, sees Rogers, and breaks back inside away from Jackson.

And Rogers puts the ball right there. This was an adjusted throw. It was kind of a second reaction play, Colin, without the quarterback Rogers running around as we're used to seeing quarterbacks do, and you can really see it from this angle so, so well. You can see the fact that Cobb is going to just break back a little bit to the inside, not a lot, but the ball placement. See, that's why ball placement is so critical, because you have to be able to put it exactly where you want to.

It also shows the Bears had it pretty well defended initially, and if your offensive line can give you that extra half second to a second, guys like Aaron Rogers are killers. So they beat a double. Yeah, good stuff. Greg Kosell, NFL films. Thank you so much. All right, Colin.

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Here we go. I followed his college career. Couldn't have been more impressed with what he was able to accomplish in college, especially last year. Really impressed with the way that he played game. I think he's a great competitor. I love his competitiveness and his playmaking ability. I think he can be a lot better than me.

Man, he's got all the tools. You know, he's more athletic. He probably can run around better. He's got a stronger arm, but he's got all the tools. Stronger arm, he does. He doesn't have a cannon arm. Baker's arms a little stronger than Drew's, yes. But, all right, let's, I'm just going to throw this out there. Drew Breeze holds, I don't know, nine all the other. all-time NFL records. And these are not like, these are the good ones, not like led the National League in 1981 in doubles during day games.

These are career completion percentage. Consecutive games with a touchdown pass. 300-yard games, 400-yard games, 4,000-yard season, 5,000-yard seasons. Folks, these guys are getting compared because they're both short. That's like saying Tom Arnold and Tom Hanks are the same. actor because they're named Tom.

This is what we do with European basketball players. Any tall euro who can shoot, he's Dirk Novitsky. No, he's not Dirk Novitsky. Dirk Novitsky's the best shooting big man along with Larry Bird and Kevin Durant in the history of the

league. Here's the other thing that's not being mentioned. And this is why Baker shouldn't have gone number one. Because the city of Cleveland had the number one pick and it's cold and it's windy and it and it snows. A big part, I mean, it matters of Drew Brees' success is he played in San Diego, then he played in the dome. Drew Brees wouldn't be as good playing in Cleveland with that

dysfunction and that weather. Baker Mayfield, I've said this before, I'd like him a lot more in Arizona. I'd like him a lot more in Jacksonville. But that dysfunction with his personality and that weather for a six-foot runaround kind of athletic, not really, with a good arm, nothing special. we got to stop. He's not going to be Drew Breeze. That's not the comp. That's not the comp. He's not close to Drew Breeze.

Drew Breeze holds nine all-time NFL records. Even in, think about college. Drew Breeze went to cold weather Big Ten Purdue. It was a running conference. Teams weren't as four and five wide. The rules where receivers could get smoked if they ran across the middle. Three years, Drew Breeze, 12,000 yards. This is the Big Ten.

And this is like 15 years ago. It was a running conference. Drew Brees, 12,000 yards. Baker Mayfield played in the past happy Big 12 where I think they outlawed tackling about six years ago, where everybody runs five wide, in an offense where every quarterback puts up prodigious numbers. I mean, Purdue's never looked the same since Drew Breeze left. Oklahoma has a thousand yards of offense in the two games since Baker. left. Even their college careers. One had 12,000. One had 12,000. They weren't the same. 12,000 at Purdue is a lot better than 12,000 at Oklahoma when you got NFL guys surrounding you.

Go look at Drew Reeves' teammates. Find all the NFL guys on offense. They're UPS drivers. Okay? So, I mean, sometimes, listen, Rob Ryan and Trent Dilfer had this opinion on Baker-Mayfield. I think it's very, very accurate. People want to compete. pair him to Drew Breeze. Now, Drew Breeze is one of the best pocket passers of all time. He looks like he wants to extend plays like Russell Wilson does. But Russell Wilson is a premier athlete. This guy's not going to be able to do that in the national football league. So you watch the second half of the Georgia game and you can forecast what it's going to be like for in the NFL if he continues to play his style of football, which is the creative, intuitive, extend plays. It's not

going to work. He's not a good enough athlete to play that style of football. He's not a good enough athlete to play that style of football in the NFL. So he's going to have to be a pocket passer, and he ain't Drew Brees as a pocket passer. And Drew's saying nice stuff because Drew's a good guy, but you know, it just,

it just cracks me up. Every European that can shoot is not Dirk Novitsky. Stop it. And just because your name is Tom, you're not Tom Hanks, even if you're an actor and live in the same town as Tom Hanks and your name is Tom, and you act. You're not Tom Hanks.

Joy Taylor with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Drew's a nice guy. You're a very nice guy. He's not going to say that Baker's going to be a bust. Like, it's, that's perfectly fine praise.

You know, the media is funny. The media asked questions, and the reason athletes mostly give cliched answers, because the occasional answer by the athlete that's not what the media expects, they crush him for it. So that's what Drew Breeze says, because if he said anything negative, if the media would crush him. And my rule's always been, if you say something as an athlete

and it gives me a free segment, thank you. I'm trying to fill 12 segments today with interesting stuff. If you say something that's fascinating, even if it's not perfectly PC, thank you. But Drew was being PC, though.

Yeah, he was. And the problem is, is if he wasn't, we'd crush him for it. I wouldn't, but people would. All right, so the NFL announced their players of the week yesterday, and the AFC and NFC

offensive winners were exactly who we predicted before the season started, and that is Patrick Mahomes and Ryan Fitzpatrick. That's funny. Fitzpatrick is the Mahomes. We kind of expected Mahomes to, well, we were at least hoping that Mahomes was going to be what he is now. I can honestly say, Ryan Fitzpatrick, as player of the week in the NFC, will be the most shocking thing that will happen in the NFC all year.

That is shocking. Unless Tampa wins the Super Bowl, what could be more shocking than that? It's... Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees, Jared Gough, Jimmy Garoppolo. Because it's so drastic. Perhaps. He had career best 417 yards, rushed for 36 more, and they beat the Saints 48 to 40.

So he had the game of a lifetime, that's for sure. Oh, my God. He's done this a handful of times, though. He's had a few of these games. He does like to do this. It's magic, right? Yeah. All right. So it's no secret that Jerry,

Jones is the most hands-on and controlling owner in the NFL, and he is self-proclaimed general manager as well. But the Jets CEO, Christopher Johnson, let the media know that he takes a little different approach to running his team. When he was asked about the decision to start rookie quarterback Sam Darnold, he said, I took no role in that whatsoever. That's not my strong suit. I'm not yet Jerry Jones. Well, there is only one Jerry Jones, but I would say I prefer for my owner to not be visible and to not be hands-on in football operations. coaches I have talked to through the years that have said, billionaires are difficult to work with.

Of course they are. They're billionaires. Especially a self-made billionaire. Look at Jerry. Jerry lost everything and then became a billionaire after that. You can't tell him anything. I had an NFL coach tell me a couple years ago that he took over a really bad football team. And the owner knew they were bad.

They just fired the coach. And they agreed the new coach and the owner. It's going to be about a three-year rebuild. we don't have the offensive personnel. And by week two, they were facing Baltimore, which had Ray Lewis and was shutting everybody down. And the owner on Friday said, what do you expect this week? And he goes, we're not going to move the ball much. And the owner was furious.

And he had to talk down the owner for an hour on a Friday, instead of looking at film, talk him off the ledge, because the owner was incredulous that his offense with no pro bowlers would struggle moving the against Baltimore in Baltimore that had Ray Lewis and, you know, for a 15-year period was the best defense in the NFL. Owners are crazy. Well, this is why I have a lot of sympathy for coaches because people don't understand what goes on behind closed doors. No idea.

They're crazy. Not just football in every sport because you are dealing with very, very successful people. Like I said, some of whom are self-made and the ones who aren't self-made are just used to getting whatever they want anyway. because it's been given to them. So then that's not a knock on who they are as people. Like, these people are very successful. They have a way of doing things that makes them successful.

So why wouldn't they think that, hey, my ideas are valid. The only problem is the best kind of leaders are ones that hire the best people at what they do and let them do their job. Yes. So when you look at organizations that are successful long term, that's what happens. There's not a lot of movements. There's not a lot of chaos in the higher levels. There's always going to be some level of chaos when you're dealing with this many personalities. and this many egos and this much money

and there's fans demanding things. Like there's going to be some level of chaos. But at the top, it's got to be steady. And that's where a lot of these organizations get into trouble. The GMs make a lot of decisions and not all the GMs are qualified and then you've got the owners.

It's not all on the coach. Finally, your guy, Sean McVeigh, still flexing his football memory. We saw examples of it during his interview with Brian Gumble earlier this summer and Bleacher Report caught up with McVeigh and he went even further back. Let's take a listen.

Week 12, Saints at Rams. 429 in the second quarter, second and seven on the Saints' 7. What happens? Oh, Josh Reynolds' touchdown, off-scheduled play versus a three-man rush. You're absolutely right. Are you kidding me? 2015, week seven, Bucks at Skins. Second and seven on the Tampa Bay 24, 58 seconds left in the fourth quarter.

Jameson Crowder wheel route down the right side. sideline. Jameson Crowder, we were out down the right sideline. Set up the first down and then how did that drive in? Jordan Reed touched down in a four by one individual ISO slant. And what meme was that game? You like that. He's good.

People are freaking out. These coaches do watch films seven, eight times. That's very impressive. John? You're not impressed by that? John, what kind of savant tendencies do I have? 1970 NBA basketball. Yeah, the Mariners baseball from the 70s also.

Yeah. You can probably do some of that, I bet, with some Seattle sports from the 70s. Oh, no, we don't have time. 1970 NBA basketball, I can give you individual games, halves. That's all I was like, as a kid, we didn't have cable. There was no internet. I sat and watched NBA and basketball. You did that to me once about a Warren Moon play at Washington in college.

And you knew the game, what side of the field it was on, The players. Yeah. Yep. I'm pretty crazy. Not that impressed. Joey Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Real stat or Bullstat with Mark Slareth next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Mark Slarrith joining me. Before we get to Real Statt or Bullstat, you did the Denver, Seattle, Seattle, Seahawk game. I did. I did.

You do good work. You do your homework. So first of all, Russell Wilson running for his life. I don't love Denver as a team. I think they have amazing pass rush capabilities. Vaughn was great. I didn't see enough of that game to know if Bradley Chubb was. So what is your takeaway of Seattle?

Denver, don't overreact, should overreact. What do you take away? Well, I think Denver's a better football team than you think. I was disappointed that Seattle didn't really get Russell Wilson out of the pocket. They kept dropping him back. the Broncos had a great pass rush plan. They sacked him six times, but they had a great inside pressure,

outside contained plan that got to Russell Wilson. He couldn't do any of those things where he spins out, you know, and runs around. But I was disappointed they didn't have a lot of design. The one big play over the top to lock it was a designed half roll. So that part was that part was kind of a disappointment for the Seahawks. If you're a Seahawks fan, Broncos are talented.

They're young core of players. the guys they drafted are very talented. There's going to be growing pains, but they're exceptionally talented. And I got to tell you, Joy, this is the first time I've ever been on this show where I actually got this. This is a cowherd card. I feel like I've graduated.

I feel like this big. Well, we've got to play the game. Oh, okay. Okay, it's real stat or bull stat. We got a lot of topics. Go ahead, John, or Joy, or whoever's doing it. I'm going to do it today. So I'm going to give you an NFL stat, which is 100% true.

Okay. If you think it matters, you say real stat, If you think it doesn't matter, you call it Bull stat. Okay, here we go. All right. Oh, they said there was going to be some sort of graphic thing. Okay, there's not. All right.

This is for Colin. Oh, there it is. There is. Bull stat. All right. Strong start. All right, this is for Colin. Since winning the Super Bowl in the 2012 season,

Joe Flacco's pass a rating is 44th in the NFL. In that time, Andy Dalton is 19th. Does this mean Andy Dalton is the best quarterback in tonight's Ravens Bengals matchup? Real stat or bull stat? Bull stat. Come on. Flacco is unmotivated at times and unfocused at times, but has a significantly higher ceiling when pushed by a rookie quarterback or pushed by a contract extension.

That's bull stat. Flacko's better. I'm going to go real stat. I think Andy Dalton's a better quarterback. I think you have Joe Flacco having that unbelievable run in 2012 during the playoffs where he threw 11 touchdowns, zero interceptions in one, a Super Bowl. but he has not been very good. Now, you can make the argument that it's the weapons around him that haven't been very good. But Andy Dalton's been more consistent over the course of that time than Joe Flacco.

I think Andy Dalton's a little bit better than Joe. I'll say real stat. I'm going to go with Colin on this one. You got to get the hardware, and he's pretty good. 10 and 5 in the playoffs, Flaco. All right. Start with you, Mark. On Monday night, Sam Darnold became the first quarterback to win his first start by 31 points or more

since Tom Brady in 2001. Does this mean the Jets have found their franchise quarterback? Real stat or Bull stat? That's a bull stat. And I love the kid. Todd Bull said it. Todd Bulls goes, you want to know if he's a franchise quarterback?

Ask me after 100 games if he's a franchise quarterback. I think the kid is blue collar. I think the kid is a hard worker. I think he's earned the respect of his teammates. I think he throws the ball with accuracy, with anticipation. I think all those things. And I think he has the potential to be good.

But after one start, I'm all of a sudden, where through 21 passes, I'm ready to go, oh, he's our franchise quarterback. Like, that's what they were saying after Mark Sanchez's rookie year. So let's just pump our brace a little bit. Okay. You ever watch American Idol or The Voice or any of these singing shows? Mm-hmm. And with really special people, like, you're sitting there and you're thinking,

I'm not really into music, but, like, I can tell that Carrie Underwood, that's way better. I never thought Mark Sanchez when I saw. Som at USC practice was great. I've seen Sam Darnold first practice on. I think what he was Monday is what he's going to be on most NFL nights. Not all. He's going to throw 18 picks this year.

He is reckless at times. But I think it's a real stat. I think we're looking at a great player. And I think the great ones are really easy to spot like Andrew Luck was, like Peyton Manning was. You can spot them really early. How many Susan Boyle albums have you bought? Let me ask you that.

How many? You got a bunch of them in your car right now? No, I win. Go, Joyce. Susan Boyle is the voice of an angel. First of all. Yes. Yes.

Okay. But you're not buying your album. Second of all, Mark Sanchez took the Jets in two back-to-back AFC championship games. All right. It was a wonderful year for me, my lone year as a Jets fan. And third. How do you have one year as a Jets fan?

What was the one year Jason played? Oh, okay. Okay. It's family. It's blood. It's blood. Okay. And lastly, what is a, can we name a white-collar quarterback?

Who would you? Who would you specify as a white-collar quarterback? That's pretty good. Peyton Manning. But then he's like, he still kind of has it. Yeah, all right. That's pretty good. That's pretty good at you, Colin.

All right, this is for you, Colin. In the past two seasons, 32 quarterbacks have thrown more than two touchdowns in a game. Matt Ryan is not one of them. Is Matt Ryan overvalued? Real stat or bull stat? Bull stat, I have him as ninth. He also inherited a mess. Remember, Mike Vic was beloved, was in trouble.

The coach quit. I always say, what are you inheriting? I mean, by the way, Terad Taylor inherited Buffalo got him to the playoffs. Tarad Taylor's probably a little bit better than giving him the credit for. That's a Bullstat. I criticize Matt Ryan. He's top 10 in the league. He is organizational stability personified.

I agree. Bullstat. Matt Ryan is an adult. And you've got to have an adult at that position. And he runs that franchise. Now, different coordinators, you know, turnover of coaches and all those things that you point to, he had a real great rhythm with Kyle Shanahan left. They're still trying to figure that rhythm out

with Sarkeesian coming over there and taking over. But Matt Ryan's an adult. Now, is he one of the top four or five guys? No, but is he in that next group of guys? Absolutely. Yeah. By the way, Red Zone problems, he is struggling against the same team

last two times I've seen him at Philadelphia. You know, a few teams have struggled. Philadelphia is pretty good. They're all right. No. Yeah, I have one on Super Bowl. All right. Finally, with the record, this marks this for you.

If the record of zero, zero, and one tie, the Browns are having their best start to a season since 2004. Does this mean the Browns have turned the corner? I'm going to say real stat. They're undefeated. I understand it's a tie. What I hear the other day, they're the only team that can break a losing streak by not winning. That's the Browns. But I think from a talent perspective, you look at the talent, the edge,

talent with Miles Garrett. You look at them getting Denzel Ward. Right, Ward, and Landry Jones. And, you know, you look at some of the talent, is it, Landry Jones? Am I right on that? Yeah, yeah, Slater receiver. Yeah. Jarvis Landry, excuse me, Jarvis Landry Jones, I think, is the same thing. Quarterback for the, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyhow, long story, short, you know what, I'll confuse names all day long, but I think the

talent aspect of where they are right now is better than it's been in years. I don't expect them to go defeated this year. I don't expect them. Do I expect them to win nine games? No. But are they going to win one? They'll win more than a handful of games. Three or four games, no problem.

Bull stat. They still have the same kooky owner. Their coach will be fired after the year. And we don't know who's starting a quarterback for the Cleveland Browns Thanksgiving weekend. This is what the Cleveland Browns are. Owners kooky. Coach will be gone. and we'll have a quarterback mess by Thanksgiving Day.

Undefeated. Undefeated. That's a that's what that. Tonight is Baltimore and Cincinnati. I think it's going to be a really competitive game. I think I'll take Flacco in Baltimore to win it. But I think it's a very close game. You know, that's the other thing is Sam Darnold goes into a division.

He gets to play the bills twice that are rebuilding in Miami twice and they're dysfunctional. I'll tell you something. Cincinnati's good and Baltimore's good and Pittsburgh's talented. Cleveland job, whoever starts Baker to Rod Taylor, there's good teams in that division. That division's like good. You'll take Flacco and the Ravens. I'll take John Harbaugh

in the Ravens. You watch what they, I mean, they're from a special team standout standpoint. They were great in special teams. They were great on defense. That was Buffalo. And they were really good on offense as well. So I just think better coaching there. Draft Kings. Our three is coming up.

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Is that breaking a news story right there? Yeah. You don't say it with the emphasis that I need for it to be breaking breaking news. What do you mean? Let's do a sounder. Breaking news.

I'm told Aaron Rogers will play Sunday. Is that emphasis? With the sound, it feels more official. I mean, I believe you. Yeah, I mean, I've had sources lie to me before. You need like a this just in. Look at the camera.

Okay, let's do it one more time. Breaking news. This just in, Aaron Rogers is going to play Sunday. Why is that not enough? According to sources. According to my sources. I think I'm saying it's going to happen. You have to do like the...

One more time. Breaking news. According to sources this Sunday, Aaron Rogers is going to play. It's the best yet. God, you guys are so... You guys are ridiculous. I'm doing journalism here and you're mocking it. Okay.

Fifteen minutes from now, Bucky Brooks, I love having Bucky Brooks on. Game tonight, Baltimore, Cincinnati, I'll take Ravens in a low-scoring, really close game. Later, in Best for... Games on the NFL network, by the way. Bucky Brooks also works for the NFL network. Later, best for last. Herd Tub, time machine. But the Cowboys look bad in week one.

really bad. It all starts with their quarterback. Dak Prescott's getting a lot of heat. And when Dak Prescott came into the league for the first five games of his career, I called him Dak and Dunk because everything was underneath. And I didn't see him throw the ball down the field. And I didn't like him in college much. I thought he was Tebow. And but then I kind of start watching him and durable and mobile and all the noise in Dallas. He keeps winning games. Don't think he's elite. Don't think he's an A. Not sure he's ever going to get there. But there are stuff I like about.

about him. But it is interesting about what iconic moments do to a legacy. I mean, Michael Jordan apparently never missed a shot. You forget that Michael Jordan quit twice, like twice. LeBron misses a game. It becomes a topic on this show. The NBA world like loses it, you know what. If LeBron misses a game, Michael Jordan retired twice, just left the sport. Didn't even tell the Bulls until the end the first time. But John Elwood, didn't win his Super Bowl until his 15th year. He threw a lot of interceptions. Not only lost three Super Bowls, was destroyed in three Super Bowls.

4210, 55, 10. John Elway was, do you understand with social media, we'd crush Elway today? Loser can't win the big one. But then he gets Terrell Davis, wins, retires, holding the trophy. It just stamps him. It redefines him. People now even say he's better than Joe Montana. He was terrible.

and Super Bowls. Many of them. This happens to Eli Manning. Eli Manning's a C-plus quarterback. Only two years of his entire career. He's won a playoff game. But he beat the Patriots. He is a 59% completion,

83 quarterback-rating quarterback in the regular season. Eli Manning's a C-plus quarterback. He had that nice playoff run twice. And I'm thinking about Dak Prescott. When the three biggest brands in the NFL, are Dallas, Green Bay, and Pittsburgh. The numbers are bigger.

Colin Kaepernick, you could argue his three best games ever, we're against the Packers. When I think of Colin Kaepernick, I think of him red uniform, running for 45 yards against the Green Bay Packers in those White Road Units. In fact, we have a picture of it.

Like, that's all I think about with Kaepernick. You know, I think about the anthem stuff, too, because that's part of his brand. But when I think of Kaepernick, Kaepernick was great against the Packers. And I fell for it. And when it was all said and doubt, I was like, he's kind of below average.

Think about Dak Prescott. Three of his biggest games, the number one brand in the country, Dallas Cowboys, number two's Packers. Three of Dak's biggest games have been against the Green Bay Packers. Against the Green Bay Packers, his passer rating is 108. Against the Green Bay Packers, he throws for 270 yards. Am I doing the same thing with Dak as I did with Kaepernick? When Kaepernick broke in the league,

I was like, nah, you watched him in college. And I watched him against the Packers. I'm like, ah, he's great. And then when it was all said and done, I was like, I wouldn't build my team around him. And Jack Prescott got out of college. I'm like, nah, a guy can't play. He's a tight end.

He's Tebow, no. And he has these three great games against the Packers. And I'm like, yeah, woohoo. And now I'm left with sometimes the guy didn't even throw up for 200 yards a game. And this is what iconic moments do. They redefine you. They stamp you.

I doubted him. his first five games in the NFL. And then he went to Green Bay, and he threw all these yards, and I was like, okay, I'm not going to call him DAC and Dunk anymore. And it's funny because

DAC, I didn't buy, now I'm on Team DAC, and I've got to tell you, scouts, GMs, coaches. Landon Collins came out yesterday and literally said, we just have to stop Zeke.

If we put the game in DAC's hands, we have a much better shot at winning. That's a wow quote. Call out. That's a callout. That is a landing called, a good player for the Giants, came out and just said it. We put the, make DAC have the ball. That's a better chance at winning.

A total callout from an elite player. And he's not the only one saying it. A lot of people are. Maybe I fell for it. Packer games have a way of altering reality. They did it to me once. Have they done it again? Let me shift gears to Gruden.

You ever drive by a restaurant? Best chili in town. Every time I drive in Los Angeles, I get off the freeway, there's this little hamburger place. It always says, best hamburger in Los Angeles. You've seen that before. You drive by a restaurant, there's a sign, Best Pizza in America. I'm always like, well, prove it to me.

Why, because you got a good Yelp review that your assistant general manager put on Yelp last night? What does that mean? Prove it to me. John Gruden, everybody keeps telling me he's a quarterback guru. I watched Monday. Derek Carr looked rattled. Amari Cooper had a horrible game. And John Gruden took a shot yesterday at Derek Carr for not hitting an open Amari Cooper against the Rams. Listen here.

We had more first downs in the second half, had more time of possession. Perhaps we would have seen more Cooper. But you look at the film, we had him open, wide open deep. We didn't go there. He was open a couple times. And for whatever reason, we didn't go that route. But yeah, we want to get him going. and that's easier said than done now.

That's kind of a shot at Derek Carr. So let me ask you this. For all you people that put outside your restaurant, best chili in town, best burger in America, world's best pizza, I keep hearing that John Gruden's a quarterback guru. He had nine quarterbacks in Tampa,

none developed into stars. He had four quarterbacks in Oakland. Rich Gannon won an MVP the year after Gruden left. You know what I think happened? he was the first TV analyst to really talk only quarterbacks. He created that quarterback camp over at the other place. Now, I talk quarterbacks now,

Dilfer talks quarterbacks now. 10, 12 years ago, John Gruden was the first analyst that branded himself, I'm a quarterback guru. And we all know how business works. First in matters. And so I think it's taken his brand and his reality and trumped it up. I don't get it. And here's the irony.

of it. There is a quarterback guru in the National Football League and there's nobody close to him. Oh my bad, there is one guy close to him. Geographically, Kyle Shanahan lives across the bridge from the quarterback guru. Kyle Shanahan turned Matt

Shob into a pro bowler. Bust RG3 into rookie of the year. He turned Matt Ryan into an MVP. And Jimmy Garoppolo, last year was 5'0 with them. I could also throw up a Brian Hoyer Cleveland stat, and it was the last time Cleveland was interesting. Brian Hoyer was a quarterback.

Kyle Shanahan was the quarterback coach. We do have a quarterback guru, and unlike world's best pizza, best chili in town, best hamburger in Los Angeles, I've actually got proof beyond a Yelp review. I've got data. I'm not anti-Grooting. But quarterback guru, we got one in the Bay Area. Kyle Shanahan. And one of the reasons I like Garoppolo.

If Garoppolo would have been traded to Cleveland, I wouldn't like him so much. Got to claim world's best pizza, man. You got to do more than a Yelp review. Good stuff. Ravens tonight, Bengals, NFL Network, I'll take Baltimore. We're already moving into week two in the NFL. And it's a huge week of college football. So I've got Blazing 5 tomorrow.

I've already got my five picks. Blazing 5, week one was a winning week. So we already had a very good week one, Blazing 5, 3 and 2. You had a very good week. I had a very good. A lot of rights, not a lot of wrongs. We're moving into week two. It starts tonight.

Cincinnati's a real team, but I'm going to take Baltimore with a tight win. Bucky Brooks are on the corner. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. I don't think there's a guest I have that's more connected, has more insight. if he's saying it, he's been told it or he's watched it on film, second round draft pick, scout for multiple teams, played in the NFL.

Now at the NFL network, by the way, tonight has the Bengals and the Ravens. I think it'll be close. I think the last 44 games, they've each won 22. He's also got a podcast with a very smart Daniel Jeremiah called Move the Sticks. We bring in my friend, a regular on the show, Bucky Brooks. Bucky Brooks makes me smarter. By the way, I think Matt Patricia, if he's, he's 0 and 2 could be fired.

Listen, there's bad, and then there's like, oh, God, this is not working. You tip us off a little bit here. I mean, there are situations where a guy walks in a building makes a bad, remember Bobby Valentine for the Red Sox? He banged on Dustin Padroia, and two weeks into the job, it was over. Not officially, but it was over. Matt Patricia, what are you hearing? So here's the deal with Matt Patricia.

The Detroit Lions had Jim Colwell. Jim Colwell is the salt of the earth. Nice man, really treated his guys like professionals. And he won at Detroit. So there are a lot of players that really bought into the way that they went about doing their business. Sure. In Detroit, pride of Matt Patricia shows up. Matt Patricia shows up.

The Patriot way, it's a little harder, maybe a little more fear-based than warm and fuzzy. Players are having a tough time trying to embrace the style because they have success the previous way. And so when someone comes in, holds them maybe a little firmer, makes it a little more contentious. you want to see the results. And what has happened over the course of training camp and the like, you just wonder what we're doing is it going to pay off? Because it's hard to work. Look, we've heard it.

We've heard them talk about the sprints and the running and everything. Everybody has talked about that part of it. I thought it was telling there was a quote today from Glover Quinn talking about, look, it's a little different, but it's football. We have to play football. You don't necessarily have to enjoy all those other things. If you read between the lines, the players aren't really enjoying the process. And then when you get smoked, like they got smoked on Monday night, the credibility begins to come in.

This game against the 49ers is huge because if you go 0 and 2. And you get routed. You'll have guys bail. Yeah. Those guys will look at is what he doing, what he's bringing in, is this ever going to work? And I know the Patriots have been extremely successful, but make no mistake, players talk. have also seen the Patriots disciples that have gone out of there and they haven't won.

So some of them are already looking at Matt Patricia's side-eyed if they continue to do all of this extra stuff and they don't produce results right away. It could be very, very tough and challenging in Detroit for Matt Patricia. By the way, Belichick's coaching tree, I was saying yesterday is that Andy Reed's

tree, Tony Dungey's tree, Mike Holmgren's tree, more impressive. Is it this simple? it's impossible to duplicate Belichick's IQ. Yes, there are a couple things in play. When you get the assistant, you don't get the bonus of Bill Belichick coming with it. Like it's not a buy one, get one free.

So you don't get him. So everyone is trying to do it like they've been taught in New England. I would say the guys who have only been in New England are at a disadvantage because they haven't seen how other organizations run. And that's how it works with a lot of these guys. Right. So there's not a lot of perspective on, okay, there are a couple different ways that you can go about it.

So if you go, and let's say New England is all business. It's a business-like operation, the way it's run. Maybe there's some fear-based stuff that's involved. Well, that's fine, but you have to win like that. It is tough to win like that. It's tough to kind of hold things over players here to get them to play when you don't have the pelts on the wall that Belichick has. Also, most of those assistants typically don't inherit a quarterback like Tom Brady,

meaning maybe the best quarterback in the league who has embraced the style that the leader goes forward. If everyone is going hard and Tom Brady says, hey, this is how we do it, everyone falls in line. Well, you have these other guys that are going with quarterbacks who are lesser quarterbacks who don't have that same weight, who can't necessarily carry the franchise and make everything right like Tom Brady has. So these assistants that come from New England, they have a tough job because authenticity is everything, And if you're not yourself, players sniff it out, and it's hard to win games when they don't believe that you're presenting what you really are. Players don't want to be called injury prone, but Aaron Rogers is not huge, and he's also a guy that often plays off script. Can't tell me the Packers O lines have been terrible.

They've had double the number of pro bowlers up front as the Patriots. From a torn ACL in high school, clavicle, a couple surgeries, got concussions, torn calves, broken foot. and if you look at that play on Sunday night, that defensive lineman has one more ham sandwich last week. He weighs three pounds heavier, and we may have Aaron Rogers out for eight weeks. I'm not saying injury prone. What I'm saying,

smaller athlete who tends to, he's a little cocky and a little improvisational, and I'm going to do it my way. Sometimes I think he puts himself in the crosshairs. Brady audibles out of a lot of hits. Is it unfair for me to say some of these injuries, they're on Aaron? Yeah, some of them are on air.

It's just the way that he's built. Like there's a reason why when we get up to the run to the draft, we always talk about height, weight, speed, size, all those other things. I think with Aaron Rogers, he's a nice size now. But coming out of Cal and I did the West Coast, I looked at he and Alex Smith gave both of those guys. Oh, you did, you scouted both of them. Both of them gave them first round grades.

Like I thought they were very, very similar in the way they went about it. He has balked up Aaron Rogers has, and he has exceeded everyone's expectations for how he was playing the National Football League. being at the game on Sunday night. I will say this, though. I think the injury actually makes the Packers' offense more dangerous and more explosive. Because if you looked at the game in the first half versus the second half, first half, there were ebbs and flows, there was not a lot of rhythm because Aaron was playing off schedule.

Second half he runs out, has his Willis Reed moment. They play it, put him in the pistol. You notice he doesn't run around. You can't. And the ball is coming out quick on time. So this is what Greg Kosell often says. He said, listen, they're pretty good play callers in Green Bay. Sometimes Aaron so gifted, he'll ad lib out of it.

He's the jazz musician. In the second half, they had to stay on card. Yes, and that was the difference. So we tracked the stat on the first half, like from touch to throw is around three, three and a half seconds for the package's offense. After he got hurt, the ball was coming in, coming out at 2.7 or under. When you think about Tom Brady, Tom Brady typically is one of the best at getting the ball out of his hands, which is why he doesn't get hit, which is why they can beat you with the quick game.

The Packers in the second half ran with the quick game. You saw the receivers get involved. You saw the receivers make run after catchyards. Those are the things that make the Packers dangerous. This actually may help the Packers because it eliminates some of the improvisation that Aaron does and it makes them play more scripted. I think it's easier as a play caller to do it that way. I think the Packers may have fell into something that actually helps them down the road.

By the way, every time I get off the 405 and I take National, There's a little hamburger place there and always says, best hamburger in town. And I'm always like, that doesn't mean anything to me. Show me proof. I keep hearing John Gruden quarterback guru. My takeaway is Kyle Shanahan. He makes everybody way better.

He made RG3 get more votes than Andrew Luck for Rookie of the year. Is some of this Gruden quarterback guru stuff? It's just the best hamburger in town sold here that it's a lot of brand and shouting, but I don't see a ton of proof on it. Well, absolutely. You put the graphic up about the quarterbacks that he had in Oakland and in Tampa. and in Tampa Bay. There haven't been any distinguished ones outside of Rich Gannon.

Now, I played for Gruden's first team in 98 in Oakland. Jeff George was there. I was there when Rich Gannon came. Rich Gannon and I played together in Kansas City. Rich Gannon was chiefly responsible for the culture change. Look, Gruden is a great coach. Does a great job of putting together plays. But Rich Gannon held his teammates to a level of accountability that allowed it to go.

We talked about Tom, Brady, and Belichick. It is a lot easier when your quarterback is able to kind of disseminate the message. In Oakland with John Gruden, now we're dealing with Derek Carr. Can Derek Carr handle the hard coaching that Gruden typically does and elevate the rest of his team? What is telling about this Raider situation with Derek Carr, when they dismissed Khalil Mack, John Gruden said we can't have two high-price players.

So he basically chose Derek Carr over Kalil Mack. Most people will tell you, Khalil Mack is the better player. But now Derek Carr is seen as the best player, where when the best player and the head coach are together, they're tied at the hip. So everyone is looking at Derek Carr, expecting him to make it right. We don't have a good defense.

It doesn't matter. Score more points. We don't have all the weapons. Throw it in tight windows, make those receivers catch balls. This is, I think, the most pressurized moment that Derek Carl would feel. And partly is because John Gruden has put him in a situation where he has to be the franchise quarterback. Both of their not jobs, but both of their reputations are on the line with how this move turns out the next couple years. For the record, I know you like Levian Bell.

I would like to go. Here we go. It's just a little data that you would acknowledge having scouted for the Seahawks. Did you ever go up to Seattle? Oh, I was always there. Umbrellas, raincoats are very valuable. Yes. In Phoenix, so much.

I used to live in Tampa. I had golf shirts. And then I moved to Portland and I had no golf shirts. So value depends often on geographic location. I think the Jets should strongly consider with 105 million cap space, Labian Bell. He'd be their best receiver, tied in and running back. Because he can catch.

Yes. I don't think he's that valuable in Pittsburgh. Please, the data, please, for Bucky Brooks, who keeps telling me how great Lavian Bell has he got to pay him. Hell, Pittsburgh's better without him. Yards, points, games, third down. on this offense, honestly. All that looks nice.

Oh, that looks great. That is excellent data. It's excellent. But here's what I would tell you. And it came out of the Cleveland locker room. They talked about it. You noticed they only scored 21 points. And you notice that Big Ben had a tough game when it came to throwing three turnovers,

a lot of sacks. Part of what happened in that game, the Cleveland Brown said, James Conner, you can have whatever you want. We're going to take Big Ben away. We're going to take the explosive plays away. The explosive plays away. in the National Football League come through the passing game. You have to throw to score.

You run and stuff to move the ball down the field to set up the big plays. What happens with James Connor? James Connor is not a multifaceted weapon like Levian Bell. So teams will go in and say, look, we'll let him eat, but we'll take care of A.B. We'll make sure we take care of Juju. And we will make Ben Rothesberger have to drive the length of the field throwing short passes. Is he patient and disciplined enough to do it? throughout his career he traditionally hasn't which is why he didn't like Todd Haley because

Todd Haley wanted to play small ball because what the great quarterbacks Drew Brees Tom Brady they win because they dink and that they beat you with paper cuts he likes to hit you with the big thing so now that they don't have levion bill they're going to make him play small ball that's not what typically plays to his skill set. Dad was pretty good so tonight Baltimore I was told this years ago and if I'm wrong call me out on this. But I had a pretty good source a few years ago, and I worked at the other place, say, you know, the knock on Flacco is he's

he plays himself into shape. He kind of disappears for the summer. And we're, and it's, and it kind of ticks off people in Baltimore because Brady sitting there doing OTAs and getting in shape and watching film and they're like, you know, Joe shows up. He's hung out with his boys all summer. He's a great dad.

Hey, it can be a little lethargic. And then Joe, about week six, seven, you go, so that's what I heard years ago, that Joe has to be pushed. contract year pushed. Lamar Jackson in town pushed. So I think Flacco's going to have a really nice year. Now that's what I've heard.

I could be wrong. What do you make of the Flacco that was Super Bowl Flacco and like what's happened since? Oh, I mean, I think you hit the nail on the head. Some players need to be held accountable. They need to have their feet held to the fire to make them play at a high level. Joe Flacco is a guy that tends to play better when he's backed into a corner. Contract year, he bet on himself, has an incredible. incredible run during the playoffs.

They win the Super Bowl. Gets paid. Kind of falls back to being the Joe Flacco that we've seen. Lamar Jackson is drafted in the first round. What do you know? Joe Flacco's in the building all the time. Joe Flacko's working out with the receivers. Joe Flackos had the best offseason that he's ever had.

I wonder why. So part of the frustration that happens in Baltimore is, typically when you give the franchise quarterback that much money, you expect him to be, I hear you and Slavre talk about the adult. You expect him to be the guy that is making, he's the leader. he doesn't lead until he has to lead by example. Yeah, that's what happened. Kobe Bryant had some, I mean, you know, Kobe Bryant was a killer.

Some guys just, you know, it's who you are at nine is who you are at life. Pretty much. And that's kind of the way it works in life, right? Like who you are, if you're a little feisty brat at nine, you'll be a feisty competitive guy later. And I think with Flacco is he's just one of those guys that he doesn't wake up every morning aspirationally driven. He just doesn't.

No, so you have to find a way to motivate him. And I think Lamar Jackson's presence has certainly motivate him. But this could be very, very similar to what we saw back in the day with the charges. When Drew Brees was there, they drafted Philip Rivers. All of a sudden, Drew Brees kind of figured it out and became a Pro Bowl caliber player because Philip Rivers is right there. Now, eventually, Drew Brees had to move on, but it made him a better player. Maybe Joe Flacco will find the recipe to unlock maybe his Pro Bowl potential

because now every day in meeting rooms, he knows that number eight is sitting there waiting for his job, and he's saying, no, I'll give this job away when I'm ready for it. I think this is the best scenario for Baltimore. They help their starting quarterback play at a higher level by bringing in somebody else. Bucky Brooks, NFL Network, NFL Network tonight. Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, doing the game. Baltimore and Cincinnati Slugfest, I'll take the under, low scoring.

They have split their last 44 games. Good seeing you. Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Aaron Rogers, you mentioned, could have been out for the season with an extra ham sandwich in the lineman's tummy. But he proved he is the NFL's John Snow, coming back to life after that injury and leading Green Bay to a comeback win. And now the hype train is full speed ahead.

Mike Zimmer, Ty Montgomery, and Kirk Cousins have compared him to someone else who historically came back to life. That's Jesus. Jesus, oh boy, boy. You know, I'm a big Jesus guy, and it just kind of felt like, you know, you would have thought Jesus was walking out of the tunnel, just the way the energy picked back up, and, you know, we were joking with each other, and it was like, and in the third quarter he rose again and just, you know,

resurrected this football team, this football game, this stadium, it was crazy. You know, he walks on water, so I'm sure he's going to play. He came into the league much earlier than me, and I think he flies a little bit different altitude than I do, you know. Let the church say, amen. You have sources that say that Rogers is going to play. I tried to be a serious journalist.

Was mocked by my staff earlier. My sources tell me there and Rogers will play Sunday. The Vikings are preparing for Rogers to play, I'm sure. I'll say something, man. Minnesota is good. I mean, I like Minnesota in that game. That game's a green bay, right? That's a great game.

Yeah, I believe it is. God, that's a great game. You know, we're kind of joking because it, Everyone's being very dramatic about Aaron Rogers, but I don't want another NFL season with Aaron Rogers heard. No, I mean, I, you know, I like Ryan Tannahill. Not that I want anyone hurt, but I'm just saying Aaron Rogers is, Aaron Rogers is a brand all in himself.

Right. It's good for the league of Aaron Rogers is not hurt. There's a lot of guys I like. Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannahill. They're good guys, Andy Dalton, but Aaron gets me to a television. Aaron feels special. That's what Aaron does. Like, it's like when Connor McGregor fights,

there's a lot of great fighters in UFC. When Connor McGregor fights, I know about it a month out. I talk about it and schedule a party a week out. And I think about it two days out. I mean, that's just sort of the way it is with Connor McGregor. I'm planning stuff a month out, a week out, two days. And I wake up that morning.

I'm like, okay, I got nine hours until Connor McGregor fights. And he fights, by the way, October 6th. So I'm already planning it. Right. And like you said, who misses Packers games? And it is at Green Bay. All right. So Alabama has been the top college football program for a while now.

So it shouldn't be too surprising that the Crimson inside. I put more players in the NFL than any other college team. Bama had 44 players on week one rosters, the most of any college, followed by LSU, 40, Florida with 37, Miami with 36, Ohio State with 36, and Florida State with 33. It's amazing. USC right now is not in great shape. Miami and Florida are not in great shape, and yet they still, some places are just factories. It should be noted outside of Ohio State. Those are a lot of warm weather I mean, think about this. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

Nine of the top ten are warm weather schools. First of all, UCLA has 27. Tennessee's been a wreck for years. They've got 27. Michigan is 26. How about this? How about this? Let's a round of applause for Stanford high academics and NFL players.

UCLA has high academic standards, too. Not Stanford. Not Stanford, but pretty high. I think my kids could get into UCLA. We didn't even apply to Stanford. What's the point? Who wants rejection? I just tell my son.

You can say that you applied. That's like a lot. That speaks very highly of David Shaw. They're academically planning at a whole different level than those other top teams. And this is why Alabama and college football is so top heavy also. Not a surprise. All right. Finally, with a 98 to 82 win against the.

Washington Mystics on Wednesday night. Sue Bird and the Seattle Storm captured their third WMBA title. Brianna Stewart led the way with 30 points to close out the series. So the WMBA title is heading back to Seattle for the first time since 2010. This is the third WMBA title for Seattle. Has Sue Burr been all of them? I don't know. She's been in her 16th season now.

Yeah. She's been on Seattle a while. Yeah. So there's obviously some rumors about her retiring. She had 10 points and 10 rebounds last night. NBA host Seattle, the WN. NBA is still strong there. It's a great basketball town, just the NBA left. Starbucks owned it. They've got a championship team there still.

You know, I got nothing against Starbucks, but the owner bought the team an hour later. He's like, I don't like this whole NBA thing. Well, you know what? You're worth $80 billion. And for the record, it was a bad decision by him because he would have had Kevin Durant. He had Kevin Durant. They had second best player in the league. Seattle will be selling out the arena right now. Well, they're looking on getting a team back in Seattle. So hopefully that happens. Shouldn't have a men's team because they have a championship women's team. go, Sue Bird, Seattle Storm.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lide News. And the weird thing about Seattle was, not just because I'm from there, but it would be like getting rid of the Philadelphia 76ers. Sonic Sixers had championships in the 70s.

They've always had good players. Seattle had like Gary Payton, Gus Williams, Dennis Johnson, Jack Sigma, Tom Chambers, Kevin Durant, Ray Allen. Like, why did Seattle lose an NBA team? team because the owner, I mean, it's ridiculous.

It would be like taking the Philadelphia's 76ers out. You've had iconic players. You've won a championship. It's a great NBA city. Seattle, like a lot of places lose. If the Carolina Hurricanes, you know, hockey team, is that popular? New York Islanders. There are certain hockey teams that could go away or baseball teams or football teams.

Like if Jacksonville lost the Jaguars, the city would still love its college football. Sometimes these teams lose, like, but Cleveland deserves an NFL team. They may be dysfunctional, but they love their unethystworthy. NFL. I have a lot of respect for Browns fans. That's coming from someone that grew up in Pittsburgh. Seattle's got corporate. They got corporate entities everywhere. There's a lot of money. NBA is expensive. And they have iconic players. They had a championship. And an hour later, you're like, they're owned by Starbucks. An hour later, they're gone. It was really a ho's job.

You know what? You're bad. You had Kevin Durant. You'd have been in the finals. Coming up next, if you want proof, you can't learn anything from the NFL week one. We've got it next. Best for last. When Cousin Sal, Todd Furman, Clay Travis, and Rachel Panetta get together, all bets are on. Lock it in is the all-new one-of-a-kind sports gambling show weekdays at 4.30 p.m. Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Blazing 5 went 3 and 2. You know, I'm going to say this. This is going to sound crazy. But there's a lot of meatballs that are professional gamblers. You don't have to be a genius to be a professional gambler. I think I could be a professional gambler because I have two words that are the most important thing about being a professional gambler.

I have emotional discipline. is that I only bet the same amount every game for the teams I like. I don't over bet four or five games. I've done very well through the years. The lines I get on Blazing Five, those are not the real lines. Those are crappy lines. The best lines are entered to the market on Sunday and Monday morning. The lines I use on Blazing Five are like Thursday lines, Friday lines.

Those are always a half point worse. The good gamblers have already eaten up the good lines. So, Goulet, you've been with me for a decade. I get like 58% right on crappy lines. Yeah, you normally would bet either immediately when the line comes out, or you would wait to get it where you want it. You kind of don't have that luxury. You have to take it when we do the segment. And for the record, I still get 50.

So I think it could be a professional gambler. I do. When I retire, I'm going to bet football games for a living. I also think, you're going to think I'm crazy when I say, you're going to hate me for saying this. This will sound ridiculous. I think I could be an NFL general manager. Because I think in the NFL general manager, I would hire the coach and the quarterback. I'd let my scouts figure out the line play.

This is no disrespect to general managers, but I think there are a lot of people in... Stiffs. Well, there's not so much stiffs. Like, there's not some part, a set criteria for what will get you to that position, not just in football. By the way, well, there's no GM school for NFL football guy.

Right. Or any other major sport for that matter. Howie Roseman got the coach right and the quarterback right. Philadelphia's good. I would tell my scouts, you do the lines. Okay. hire the coach. And you don't have to have played in any level. I'll do the coach

and I'll do the quarterback. People have been listening to me for 20 years. How many quarterbacks have I whiffed on? I told you not to draft your Marcus Russell. I told you not to draft 90% of these whiffs. I told you not to draft Tebow. I told you not to draft Johnny Mansell. What happens... Yeah, but the owner tells you, well, you

have to draft it. I'll punch him right in the forehead. No, if I was a general manager, I'd be like, I'll hire the coach, I'll get the quarterback. You guys fill out the rest of it. All build, I'm a good, I can build the staff. But I don't think, there's guys making mistakes. Some of these guys, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Tebow, Mansell.

I went on the air and I was like, these are disasters. Don't get, don't get me started on Jeff Ireland in Miami. I'm not going to, I'm not saying I'm going to be, you know, the guy, Mickey Loomis in New Orleans. I'm not going to be the best guy. Chris Ballard in Indianapolis knows what he's doing. The guy of the Chargers, Les Sneed, Rams. I'm not saying that'd be great, but there's some stiffs. How the hell do you draft Johnny Manzell in the first round?

What are you doing? You sound like the guy at the bar that six Budweiser's in. It's like, I could be a GM. I could be a professional gambler. The difference is that guy's not a journalist. Colin, I got the Pugula family from Buffalo on line one. I'm just saying there's a lot of these guys in this league. I'm like, I know I can be a professional gambler.

I'm going to bet football games when I retire. We sound like the people at the bar who say that they can do our jobs. You know what? We're not at the bar. We're working like. journalists on this show providing infotainment for America. I am not a journalist. I reject that title. I have respect for real journalists. All right. People have been complaining, Joy, about bad quarterback playing week one.

39 total interceptions. That's a lot of interceptions. It's the most in 15 years. I think just think we pass the ball more period. But everybody's saying, ah, people tend to forget the past. So we thought we would, in a celebration of the past, there's a lot of things we can learn from the past. Let's jump in the herd tub time. machine. With this machine, I can go back as far as I like. The herd tub time machine. All right, John.

All right, let's go back to 2003, week one. The quarterback who threw the most interceptions that week, Tom Brady, who had what remains the worst game of his career, zero touchdowns, four picks, a whopping 22.5 pass-a-rating. Do you think we should learn from history and not overreact when quarterbacks have a bad week one? By and large, yes, but I have two rules. And one of my rules is you can see special pretty quickly. You didn't have to watch a lot of Andrew Luck to know, he's not a bust. I watched in the first game he played as a pro, Matt Ryan make a throw at the left sideline and go, he's not a bust. I saw Cam Newton against Arizona first big

throw down the left side line and said, this is going to work to some degree. Sam Darnold's an NFL quarterback. I don't think he's as talented as Andrew Luck. By and large, don't overreact to week one, but I think Darnold is clearly camp preseason trading Teddy Bridgewater or what we saw, he's a success. Like, do we really need 100 games to know if someone's a franchise quarterback or not? You could tell Matt Stafford, Matt, you know, you can tell guys earlier, you're like, oh, he can play.

All right, we are now back in the year, 1984. the winner of the college football national championship that season wasn't Alabama or Penn State or Miami. It was BYU. That year they capped off an undefeated season by beating 6 and 6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl. Do you miss the days when random teams won college football championships? You know, I kind of do, and here's why.

They didn't get it wrong very much. And secondly, now Alabama gets in, whether they beat Auburn or not, is that we've got this playoff system that we think has solved all the issues, but I'm looking around, and the SEC is going to get one or two teams in regardless. Alabama last year loses near the end of the year. It doesn't matter.

So, I mean, that's clearly subjective. It's still a subjective poll, and I'd like to see somebody besides Alabama win every year. I like that Georgia Tech won, that Washington won, that BYU won. I just like different winners. And we think the playoffs taking out the subjective part of it. No, it has not.

Well, because there's not enough playoff spots. It needs to expand more. If you had eight, it would be more fun. And we talked about this before. That's the reason why the NFL is so much bigger. Like, obviously, the product is better to professional athletes. But there's so much parity that it's almost impossible to repeat. In the NFL to guess.

At the Super Bowl. So, yeah, it makes it fun for fans to be able to have that expansive ability to get to the Super Bowl. Let's keep going to the Hurtup time machine. All right. We are now back in the year 19th, That year, the NBA finals featured Bill Walton's Blazers versus Dr. J. 76ers and the biggest stars in basketball wear knee-high socks. Do you want to bring back knee-high socks? I got to tell you, I didn't like the shorts back then, but seeing Daryl Dawkins and knee-high shorts was awesome.

I liked the knee-high shorts. And I, for the, I swear to God, I didn't know you were going to put up the Sixers. I can, that's the last team I remember in knee-high socks. Now, I know teams after them wore knee-high socks. The socks are longer than the shorts. Dude, Dr. J. in knee-high socks. Daryl Dawkins in knee-high socks. I think knee-high socks are cool.

Now, the shorts that were a little too snug, I could get out of it. I didn't like that. I got to tell you, you heard it here first. This is the new wave. The shorts are coming back. Maybe not that short, but the, like, mid-thigh shorts are coming back for about. basketball and the ankle socks, like mid-calf socks. Is that breaking news?

We can call that, yeah, do we get the sound? We don't need the sound. I'm going to say it very convincingly. The shorter shorts are coming back. And a herd tub time machine. One more. Let's go way back. We are going all the way back to April 26, 2018.

The fateful night, the Browns used the number one overall pick to select a Baker Mayfield and not Sam Darnold who went to the Jets. Yeah. Should the Browns hop in a time machine and draft Sam Darnold? Say it again, the underrated part of that Brown's move is the weather. Drew Breeze has succeeded because he's in a dome and in warm weather. Matt Ryan is way, way better in Atlanta indoors than he'd be in Green Bay or Baltimore outdoors. I think the Browns made the wrong choice.

I think it's becoming increasingly clear. The one thing I will say that's fascinating, though, when does Baker Mayfield play? Because if Cincinnati now goes 2-0, we know the Ravens are good, know the Steelers are good. There could be a lot of pressure to play those guys. All right. For our radio audience, we are leaving.

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