The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Justin Tucker suspended, NBA Draft vs. NFL Draft, NFL players are more relatable

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

John opens the show talking about the breaking news from the day that saw former Ravens Tucker get handed a 10 week suspension after the NFL found that he violated its personal conduct policy and John talks about if he thinks Tucker will ever kick another football in the NFL. Next, John talks about the difference between the top players in the NBA Draft and the NFL Draft and how it relates to Arch Manning. Later, John discusses Aaron Rodgers, how he feels his body will be able to handle the cold weather in Pittsburgh and if he thinks this will in fact be his final season in the NFL. Also, the return of Fugazi Friday! Finally, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment. 5:14 - Justin Tucker suspended 8:49 - NFL Draft vs. NBA Draft 24:57 - Robert Kraft talks owning an NFL team 30:00 - The end for Rodgers 34:50 - Fugazi Friday 46:09 - Mailbag Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I read that a lot in my career. Let's start with the breaking news today. And I've said this forever when it comes to these situations. Everyone has a million takes, especially with social media. No one actually knows except the people involved. Even the NFL, the teams, they never know. They take educated guesses. I mean, some of these teams and these leagues obviously have,

I would say, private investigator-type people working for them and trying to glean information, but they're not the police. They can't serve a warrant. And today when Justin Tucker was suspended for 10 games, I think it unofficially ended his career. Now, you could argue his career ended when the, Ravens cut him, and I would say it was very much in jeopardy. I would say now it's unofficially over. No one's ever touching him. And I think the league suspended them.

Maybe more information comes out by the time that you hear this over the next 12, 18 hours. But it's not like he has said that he's guilty. It's not like that he has made a decision to strike some deal with these women. So his stance hasn't changed. And I think they look back on the Deshawn Watson situation. before Deshawn got suspended, it played out in the public eye for a long time. And guess what? That's bad for business. Now, I think we all agree that if you are a multi-million millionaire famous athlete

and you are dabbling with massage therapists over and over and over, you're a fucking clown. Like, you're a loser. You deserve anything that comes your way in terms of if shit hits, go sideways. even if they are down. It's like, this's probably not a great decision. You don't need to be doing this. Now, I'm not some moral high horse guy. I don't care.

You're married. You're not married. Everyone can make their own decisions. But Justin Tucker put himself in this situation clearly. And just like Deshawn Watson, and the league wants no part of it. And unlike Deshaun Watson years ago, he was going to be given other opportunities because at the time, people went, well, he's a young quarterback. You're an old kicker who wasn't making kicks last year.

See ya. Adios, Sayanara, no one's going to feel bad for you. Right, wrong or indifferent. Because again, we have no information. I don't think the NFL has information to know, you know, in concrete that the guy's guilty. I don't think they care. You know what? They want him to go away.

And sometimes when your talent exceeds, you know, in terms of what you bring off the field, in terms of problems and issues, you can get away with stuff. We've seen it forever. Actresses, actors, people in music. obviously athletes, but all those people, and specifically in sports, where there is a cut and dry, you either produce or you don't, and the moment you stop producing, see you later. And there is no position that gets quicker thrown over the side of the boat than a special team's position. So Justin Tucker, who for a long period of time, I think was considered, at least in my life,

the best kicker. You would say Vinatieri was the most clutch, but just in terms of talent, a guy that was the ultimate weapon, who could kick in the elements from 60 plus yards. Remember, he had a 65-whatever-yard game winner against the Lions. I think it's safe to say that thing is over, mainly because we don't want to deal with your headlines anymore. So it's going to say former NFL player, former Baltimore Raven in the headlines

when Justin Tucker is dealing with this situation moving forward. The draft. I'm a sucker for the draft. There was an incredible shot after the, Miami Heat made a draft pick and Pat Riley who honestly looks incredible for 80 years old. As someone who just looked at myself on TV, I'm like, God, I am a fattest. I need to go on a massive summer diet. No more sugars, no more desserts, it's over.

Like it's just like I've been eating way too many sugars. I see it. I see some of these guys. It's like, what is Pat Riley eating? I want his diet. Obviously he's got good genetics. But their draft room is literally just on a basketball court. in the facility. Now, in fairness, in the NBA, unlike the NFL, the draft's a little different.

It's not as important. I mean, good teams sometimes go years without even having picks. It doesn't necessarily matter. In the NFL, the draft room is kind of a special holy place in the building slash facility. Like, it's a really big deal. I remember the first time I ever walked in the draft room when I got hired in Philly, it felt like I had made it. Like I had climbed mouth. I'm like, I'm actually in a place where players are drafted. That's not the case in the NBA. It's not an apples to apples comparison. But I do think the power of any draft, and it's no different in the NFL or the NBA, though the NFL is much deeper, right? You know, we don't expect you to find a starter. Hell, to find a guy that might be on your roster in the 20s. If you find a rotational

guy in the NBA that's like your eighth or ninth band at pick 26, that's a home run. We expect you to find pro bowlers on the second day, several starters on the third day. Like, undrafted free agents that will make your team. So it's completely different. But draft are star-driven. And we saw last night with Cooper Flagg, who is just a big, big-time basketball star and a big-time basketball prospect. And it was interesting. And I was watching. Though my takeaway, and I was watching on my iPad on the plane, it's Fugazi Friday, by the way, I have a good Fugazi coming up. That I,

the draft coverage was terrible. I mean, I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything. Live TV, tough. I get it. But whatever was going on, I was watched on ESPN. It's the worst draft coverage I've ever seen. Honestly, I was embarrassed.

If I was Adam Silver, like there has to be some sort of discussion. We got to do better. Like this can't, this can't be where we're at. If it was the NFL, people were. would have freaked. I couldn't get over how terrible. I mean, terrible the product was. Truly. And it's someone that I watched the Major League Baseball draft. I'm a sucker for drafts. It couldn't

have been much worse. I mean, listen, having Kendrick Perkins, what the fuck are you guys doing? Embarrassment. But that's a conversation for another day. I do think when you look at the NFL draft, like pretty dependent, the biggest drafts typically have star quarterbacks. And I think the one thing about this upcoming year in college football, and listen, there are some big name guys that are returning, right? Nuss Myers, one of them, sellers at South Carolina. Arch

Manning's the headliner, and he's really not even played. I would say that Arch Manning, coming into the season, he's the Heisman favorite. Most people think Texas has the talent to compete slash win a national championship. They open the season against Ohio State Week 1. I mean, what a game.

I don't remember a guy getting so much hype coming into the year without ever playing. I mean, typically, and viewed as the number one overall draft pick. If you think in recent memory, Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence, both those guys started playing from their freshman year. Trevor won the job as a true freshman. Caleb Williams came in in the middle of that year with Spencer Rattler, and they never looked back. And then their hype by their sophomore year became because of what they were doing on the

field. The Arch Manning hype is really all he's a Manning. And obviously huge NIL, big time recruit. Like, he's got the physical characteristics we think, but what's it actually going to look like? And I would expect Ohio State, Texas to, I don't want to say, set records because, I mean, some of these games the last couple years have had a lot of people watching. But if you told me 15 million people watch that at 9 a.m. Pacific Standard Time on August 30th,

I'd believe you. Because everyone's going to want to watch this. player. And I will say this. If Arch Manning plays well, let's say it's pretty clear, like he's pretty good, win or lose that game, because now at the college football playoff, even if you, even if Texas were to lose, hell, they could probably lose two more games and still make the, you know, to the playoffs. But definitely that, that win or losing that game for either one of those teams does not determine whether they're going to win the national championship or being the final four. We saw that last year hell with Ohio State, who didn't even play in their conference championship game.

but I will say this. If he plays well in that game, if you think the hype's strong now and the hype is huge. And Steve Spruyer said last week, how could a guy be this hyped and not beat out a seventh round pick on his own team? And he's not alone. I've seen other people say that. Like how could Arch Manning not beat out Quinn Ewers?

Quinn Ewers was lucky to be drafted. It's like, well, there were some variables. The NIL factors in. Arch Manning being, I mean, let's face it, coming from wealth and money and a family that has perspective on the sport and the business is also different. If his name was instead Arch Manning, it was Arch Middilkoff, and he was like every other college football player, yeah, they probably would have had to make a decision last year. You're either starting this guy who's going to go in the transfer portal, and he's going to be

started at Alabama. He's going to be starting at Georgia. He's going to be starting in Florida. He's going to be starting wherever. But you better make him the starter or he's gone. They got lucky that they weren't forced. And the other thing was, year before, never forget, it's the biggest bet I've ever made. I put almost $8,000 on the University of Washington. Kalin DeBoer against that Texas team. I love their advantage. I came within a couple yards of losing all that money because Quinn Ewers in Texas was driving to win the game at the end of that. That was the final four. This wasn't a bowl game. This was the final four to go to the national championship where obviously Washington wins and then gets her ass kicked

by Jim Harbaugh in Michigan. But it's not like Texas had been an eight and five team the year previously. Quinn Ewers was coming off a season where they were one of the four best teams in the country and had Washington, who was in the national championship, had a chance to win that game with a couple minutes left to go. I think it was actually under a minute. So a lot of variables. I understand why he sat. But now that he's playing, the hype is going to be outrageous. Marcus Thompson, who writes for the athletic, he's based in the Bay Area. He has covered the Warriors ever since I've left the Eagles and come back. And I would say this about Marcus,

no one has a better and closer relationship in the media with Steph Curry than Marcus Thompson. And I would say he knows the Warriors as well as any human being alive that covers sports. He was covering the finals, I think, for the athletic and put something out the other day that said, after the celebration for the Oklahoma City Thunder that he's never seen a more tempered and less enthusiastic celebration, especially when it came to drinking. He's like, the guys didn't even know how to order champagne, let alone half of them had never even drank a beer.

And I've been saying this for a while, that one thing the NFL has going for itself right now is relatability. and I think basketball, Rick Patino said the other day he's like 20, 30 years ago, he's like, when I got involved in the NBA in the 90s, basketball, the NBA, and the NFL were like this. College football and college basketball were like this. Everything was even. And I agree. In the 90s, the NBA with Michael Jordan and its group of stars surrounding him were fucking enormous. they were more important culturally to the sports consumer than clearly they are now the ratings speak for themselves. I also think their guys had a relatability like NFL. Michael Jordan drank beers.

Michael Jordan gambled. Duane Wade and LeBron James sip wine now. These players do not drink. Now, you could argue culturally, Gen Z drinks less than any generation in the history of America. Yet when I watch the NFL guys, hell, you see Tide End University? Who are they sponsored by? Bud Light. What were all the star players that were at that concert the other night where Taylor Swift

doing? Shotgunning and slamming beers. I remember for the last couple years when the Kansas City Chiefs have won the AFC championship or a playoff game, Creed Humphreys and Trey Smith, their two linemen, go in to the concourse, go to a bar and order 10, 12 packs of Bud and carry it all back in the locker room. And you're going to think I'm crazy, but I promise you this. The drinking element of football,

knowing that these players just slam beers, is an element that the NBA has lost. And when I saw that celebration and these guys have never tried beer, I went, it's kind of weird. I really believe that. And you can say, middle God, you're fucking nuts. This is so stupid. Okay.

Like, there's a reason that one thing I think, that's so stupid is the LeBron and Jordan debate, because no one's ever changing their mind. But one element of someone like me, and I think most people in my life agree with me on Michael, is we just like Michael more. Michael, in a weird way for a guy that's actually not that relatable, does more relatable things.

Charles Barkley is outspoken about how much he, like, drinks and hangs out, plays golf, just kicks it. And I think there's an element to that to the football guys. And I was talking at when I was at the hotel with Rick Buecker, and we were discussing like how players have changed and how it's hard for players now to listen to coaches. We're talking about the basketball players. And it's very rare you just saw Tibado getting fired.

You know, in football, most of us human beings, right? Whether it's our wife, whether it's who we work for, we're constantly getting either yelled at, coached, criticized. We're kind of used to it. Well, basketball players, like, it's never. my fault, it's always someone else's fault. So it's like, I'm always pointing the blame on someone else and they get fired. And let's face it, in fairness to the basketball players, an average player now makes $25, $30 million. Right? I mean, it's Max Crosby makes $30 million. Miles Garrett makes $30 million.

You get mid-level stars making $38, $40 million. So from a financial standpoint, they're living in La La Land and then the way their lives work in terms of they don't have to listen to anyone, that is definitely not relatable. Because if you're a football player, literally every position, especially lineman, so even if I'm Trent Williams or Miles Garrett, my coach is on my ass when I screw up. And there's a humility that comes with that. Why? Because I'm used to, I would say, getting criticized, getting pushed, getting pointed in a different direction than I believe it's true. It's a very humanizing thing. And I'm telling you, the symbolism of the basketball guys, not drinking at all, which is understandable. They're a league, I would say, their weed use is probably

100%. Most of their guys are getting stoned out of their mind and playing video games. Not that that doesn't happen in the NFL, but I would say they have an isolated feel that football still has more of a crossover appeal. And that's something no one ever talks about, but I promise you, I'm a big believer that there is like an unquantifiable part of that that resonates with human beings. And the culture of football resonates with more Americans than the culture of basketball. Pro golfers drive for show and puffer dough. The easiest shot for you to make some dough, betting on this week's tournament at Draft King Sportsbook. From the opening round to live on Sunday, Draft King Sportsbook has you cover with live betting and player props.

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And it's like, well, yeah, Robert. One, listen, the Belichick thing got weird at the end. They didn't have a quarterback. It was an embarrassment. But for 20 plus years, the Patriots were the equivalent of like striking oil. It'd be like living in the nicest house in the neighborhood, flying private jets, eating anywhere they wanted, going to any country

club they wanted. They were the elites and everyone idolized what they had. In these last couple years, it's like it probably felt like they lost everything. And for Robert Kraft, it's like what you went through for 20 years with Bill and Brady, one, that's never going to happen again. It's The equivalent what they just did would be like the Chiefs maintaining this for another 13. The Chiefs have gone seven years living high on the hog and asking a Chiefs fan, probably like, this has been fucking incredible. This has been unreal. This has been awesome.

But if it went 15 years, that means more than double what it's already been, that would be insane. It's not going to happen. And listen, the age when Belichick took over for the. for the Patriots. I think he was 49 or 50 years old. You know, Andy is now in his mid-60s. So even for him to go another 10 years, he'd be in his mid-70s.

Is he going to be coaching then? You know, I think that's, it's fair to say that might be unlikely. But I think the NFL and these owners are so big on like, everyone having a good time. And Mike Lombardi, before he went with Belichick, used to talk about this.

Like, they're so big on committees and everyone having it. Football is not a good time. It just isn't. Football in a weird way, the games are fun, but the process of the grind, of working out, of training, of practicing, of film study,

it's not all like rainbows, unicorns, and smiles. It's a lot of F-bombs. It's a lot of sleepless nights. It's a lot of people on edge. And even I made a comment when Julian Edelman was on the show and I was like, you know,

the Niners schedule is really easy. He took offense to that. You know why? because for 15 years when he was in the Patriots operation and in their building, if you ever mentioned out loud an opponent wasn't good enough. Opponents easy.

This is going to be an easy win. You would have been lit the fuck up. He can't even comprehend that, which I totally understand. And he's not living in the world I am where I just look at a schedule. I go, that's an easy win, that's an easy win. That's not how Belichick operated.

That's not how most coaches operate. And while Vrabel is, different than Bill. One of the reasons he was run out of Tennessee is like people were on edge. It wasn't a fun environment for the owner. So if you want to win in the NFL, most guys are not Andy Reid. He's like pretty happy in a good mood. Kyle Shanahan is miserable.

LaFleur doesn't seem Mr. Happy all the time. You think the Harbaugh brothers are like smile ear to ear on a daily basis? I think Tomlin's just thrilled every day walking through the front door? part of winning in the NFL, which brings a ton of money, ask the crafts what all those wins meant for their bank account. A lot. Comes with people being pissed off. Comes with people being angry.

Comes with an edge to your organization. So I get it sucks to lose. It does. I mean, no one would argue that. But to think even if you just start winning again, it's going to be fun. I mean, part of the reason you ran Belichick out because he wouldn't listen to you,

but you couldn't fire him when he was. was winning even though you didn't like them. So I think sometimes people want their cake and to eat it too. It's like I love this beautiful girl who's tall, who cooks, cleans, who makes a bunch of money, who leaves me alone on the weekends, let me play golf,

great in bed. It's like, yeah, good luck. Have fun. Probably not going to find that. Last but not least, Rogers. We have seen the end of some of these quarterbacks. His contemporaries, right?

Tom, Peyton, Breez, Rathosberger, all these guys are going to go to the Hall of Fame. And they've all, ended a little bit differently. And I would say the one thing Tom differs from Peyton, Breeze, and Ben is those guys fell apart physically. Peyton Manning, his last year, could not throw the ball.

Drew Breeze, I think I saw a headline the other day that said when he plays catch with his children, he has to use his left hand because his right arm doesn't work. He has such bad arthritis in his shoulder. Obviously, Rathusberger, once he had the Tommy John, it kind of stopped with. working. And Tom Brady was 45. He no longer wanted to get hit. Don't blame him. But physically, he was the same as he was at 40 or 35 years old. His arms still work as well as it had been for years. The problem is, team wasn't as good. Remember, they couldn't run the ball his last season with Tampa? And he had to throw the ball nonstop, and their offensive line had some injuries,

and he was getting peppered. So when I look at Aaron Rogers, to me, there are only just two outcomes. one, his body in terms of his arm is fine. He can still throw the ball. Maybe he doesn't throw the ball as well as when he was 30 years old. But like his arm strength relative to the rest of the NFL is not only more than capable. He probably has still top six, seven arm in the league. So to me, I'm not worried about like Breeze, Peyton Manning and Drew Breeze, his arm not working. But I do think it's fair to say, can you stay healthy?

I mean, last year, clearly he got injured a couple times and he kind of battled through it. a shell of himself. Obviously, two years ago, he tore his Achilles. So to me, it's like, can he stay healthy for 17 games? Because if you tell me right now that Aaron Rogers starts 17 games, I go, yeah, I can see them being pretty good. But, you know, when you compare him to the Farr of year with Minnesota, or even that Peyton Manning year with his last year when his arm didn't work, those teams were loaded. Peyton Manning had the best defense in the NFL that year. That defense is one of the best defenses I've ever seen. And clearly, he didn't have to do that much, right?

Farr had Adrian Peterson, who was like 23 years old, rushing for 15, 20 touchdowns a year. So when you look, and I texted a buddy in the league, I said, how good do you think the Steelers are? He's like, I think their rostered this year compared to last year is pretty similar. He's like, I, you're a little higher on the Iowa running back than me, but he should be good for them.

The defensive tackle they draft in the first round, solid. Obviously, if T.J. is healthy. Their defense should be pretty good. if TJ and Minket could stay on the field. But yeah, I mean, that's probably pretty similar to what they've been. So really their only hope for them to be improved would be Rogers being healthy and playing well. And one thing that's difficult, and this is where the FARV comparison with Minnesota, is when you're old, playing in a dome is a lot easier.

Playing outside in the AFC North in games that are 20, 30 degrees are hard on your body. are hard on your joints, even if you're used to doing it. I don't think it's random that Tom Brady excelled for a couple years, leaving New England down to a warm weather climate. Like, obviously, Rogers and Tom flourished in cold weather for a long time, right? But once you get older, and listen, I can speak to this. Like, I hate the cold. I don't want to be part of it, especially as your body, like parts of your body that hurt,

that used to not hurt, heat is easier on it. playing inside is easier on it. It's why we can be critical of certain quarterbacks over the years like, yeah, Jared Goff has some limitations outside. Guess what? He played for L.A. and now Detroit in the dome. Yeah, Brock Purdy's not a great weather quarterback.

He plays in fucking Santa Clara. Doesn't impact him as much. So that to me is something to keep an eye on. The cold, how it's on his body, and can the guy stay healthy? Because, listen, he's going to be a huge story all season long. Everything he says, everyone has an opinion on it.

He also says some things. He's like, you're never going to see me again. I saw someone's like, Aaron, you tried to become the Jeopardy host while you were an NFL quarterback. Like, let's not act like you don't love the limelight. And listen, I got no problem with him loving the limelight. But just embrace it. I always say this about LeBron.

Just embrace that you get people traded all the time. You can't take the, you know, the stance like, I got nothing to do with it. I'm just a player. Just along for the ride. No, just embrace it, bro. We all know it's okay. Aaron, you like being up in the like. It's fine. I don't blame you.

Just put your arms around it. Quick Fugazi Friday. For those that are my age and older, we grew up in a time when the internet didn't exist. Or at least the internet didn't exist in all of our homes. And then we went through a transition where we had this thing called dial-up internet. And back in the late 90s, early 2000s, the thought of streaming television shows or streaming movies

wasn't just foreign. and it was, you couldn't even comprehend it. And within, you know, middle, end of the decade, all that stuff was rock and roll. And it was a big deal when you could download songs. But we have come accustomed to, if you say you have internet, right, especially even a hotel, right? If you say, hey, we provide the internet.

I do have standards of like, okay, I understand that I might not be able to stream a podcast or a draft show from a hotel room. I get that. But if I can't stream Netflix from my iPad from your hotel internet, you should basically just say you don't have the internet. One thing with planes is, you know, a couple, it was last year when I went to the Oklahoma, Texas game. I flew back on JSX, which you pay a little bit more.

It's like you kind of get treated like a private airport. You don't have to wait in line, you walk right in. It's like instead of paying $200 for a flight, maybe it's $350. $400. It's an incredible experience. They don't fly everywhere, but they had Starlink internet. And I remember me and Maria were flying back, and it was Sunday morning, and I

watched, I think it was who was playing? Was it Chicago, Minnesota? It was some international game. So we flew at 637 in the morning, watched Starlink internet, it was like I was at my house. But I'm flying on Delta and they charge you $10 for

internet, so you're like, hey, listen, I don't ever fly Delta. So I'm like, I bet this internet's pretty good. And I actually rarely pay for internet because my expectations are pretty low. Like, I'll pay $10.99 for internet. And then you get the internet and nothing works. I do have a hard time in 2025.

Any company charging for internet, if the internet literally, I can't even like bring up fucking Instagram. Like that's not internet. That's a Fugazi you're charging me for. If you are going to charge someone for internet, it better at least have the basic capabilities.

I better be able to like type in Google and it just show up. I'm not asking to download 17 movies up in the air. I get it. You're going to have some limitations. But I was like, I downloaded it and thought this is fucking nuts.

This really is crazy. It does not work. Yet I just paid 995 or 1095. It's like you shouldn't be able to charge for something that with the internet that does not stream anything or has no capabilities to get to the internet.

So kind of drove me nuts. But before we get out of here, I wanted to welcome everyone to chasing challenges, brought to you by Microsoft. In the NFL, just like in the business world, overcoming obstacles is key to success. Microsoft empowers business decision makers with AI solutions, simplified cloud and data management, and trustworthy, responsible technology to turn challenges and opportunities. In this segment, we'll explore some of the biggest challenges being faced in the NFL and how they can overcome. What challenge you're facing Microsoft empowers you

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And the GM, you know, Todd, I think is floated with retirement the last couple years. Obviously, he just got paid. The GM in football now with the cap rising with the complexity of these contracts has never been more important. If you look at the best teams, they all got the best GMs.

Obviously, coach is extremely important as well, but the GM position in the NFL to me has never been more important. You could argue the NBA too with all the different, you know, salary cap floors and different aprons. Like, you have to be really dynamic. You need to understand money. You need to understand player, the ability to evaluate talent. You've got to be able to kind of put it all under one umbrella and kind of balance it all.

So it's very, very important. And I think one thing these owners, you know, let's face it, that they have proven at times to be cheap over the grass on the field. It's like, guys, your highest paid employees are on that grass or that turf. Wouldn't you want the best possible thing on the ground to limit the injuries to their lower extremities? They're like, no, we'll just, we'll take the cheaper turf. Like, what are you doing? Tampa's a good example.

For a long time, you know, for most of my adult life, from Gruden to a bunch of different guys in the 2010s, to now Jason Light going through some different coaches, they've kind of bounced around. And I think the glazers realize, like, we got a star at GM. We are going to build our organization. Obviously, whenever Todd retires, Jason will hire another coach around this guy. And you have seen teams like the Cowboys that are like, yeah, we're just going to let Mike McCarthy's contract, we'll take them into a lame duck year. that is such bad business either fire the guy

or extend the guy and sometimes I think it's stupid it's like listen it's sports a lot of players playing the last year of their contract but it's also like is this how you want to operate a business worth 5 billion 8 billion 6 billion pretty bad management

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dms get your questions answered here on this little old podcast question for the pot seen you recently on the herd he did a good job appreciate you buddy what is it uh why is everyone underselling the Vikings. I understand winning 14 games isn't realistic, especially with a new quarterback, but they improved both their offensive and defensive lines, still have Brian Flores and a defense that is secretly one of the best last year with a handful of pro bowlers. Obviously plenty of fire on offense, and not to mention they re-signed the reigning head coach of the year to a new five-year deal. So what is missing? Does the quarterback change matter that much? Why does this team's coaching staff organization get as much respect and benefit, why don't they get as much respect and benefit the doubt as others?

You're making a major change. I mean a major change. For let's just say the last five years, or since O'Connell's been there. You guys, I think two years ago or three years ago when you lost the Giants nine and eight, you know, Kevin O'Connell, unreal season coach, playoffs. He needs to win a playoff game, but listen, I'm not trying to shit on the guy. He's a good coach. Flores, their coaching staffs awesome. Cousins was throwing a bunch of touchdowns, right? Cousins was really good player for them, Pro Bowl level guy.

Sam Darnold last year, I don't have the stats in front of me. Do he throw 35, 36 touchdowns? Like, he was excellent. He basically just replaced Cousins. And if anything was more mobile. Now you have a guy who's never played an NFL game, ever, who's coming from an offense in college where he didn't play like they have played.

So I do think it's fair to go, how's this going to go? What happens in some of these Thai games in the fourth quarter Packers? Like, how does he play? What happens when he gets blitz? He's never seen that blitz before. I just don't know. So I do think it's fair to go. It's not an indictment on the organization.

Head coach is good. Defensive coordinator is good. Roster is good. You could obviously they're better than good. They're all high end. If we did a coach draft, Kevin O'Connell will get drafted in like the top five. Flora is, I don't know, him and Fangio, Sala. I mean, some of the best defensive coordinator are in the league.

Roster's top two or three. But the fucking quarterback, I got no clue. And I'm not anti-J. McCarthy. But I can't just chalk a quarterback that I've never seen play up to 12, 13 wins. Or make the playoffs. You can't do that. I mean, you just do not know. Usually young quarterbacks get to like a soft landing spot, right?

Like, typically if I hire you, even out of country, college at a Harvard or Stanford or whatever. I'm not giving you our like the biggest meeting day one. So yeah, we need you to land this Goldman Sachs deal. He's just, you better, you better do it. And this is not college. The coach can only do so much he can help you out. And maybe he can run the ball a little bit more.

But philosophically, I've seen Kevin. He likes to pass because he had chances to run the ball a little bit more last year when Sam was imploding and kept going on passes. So he's going to call passes. Rightfully so. He's got the best wide receiver in the league. Excellent tight end. Awesome number two wide receiver.

Can JJ do that? I don't know. I don't know. So that's my only reservation, and that's everyone's reservation. What's up with the quarterback? Can he play? No one knows, including them, including them.

I saw that you said on the herd that your prediction about Kyler not being on the Cardinals. It got me thinking, where would he go next year? I think the Steelers could be a great fit with Tomlin, having a no bullshit coaching style, but I could also see a team like the Raiders picking him up. Do you think the Steelers is the best fit for Kyler? Should the Cardinals move on after this year? Me and Coward did a couple things where we did the AFC and NFC,

and we each picked three different stories, like kind of quote unquote bold predictions or whatever, and one of mine was that this will be Kyler Murray's last year on the Cardinals. And let me say this. I don't think Kyler's bad. I think he's actually one of the more polarizing is the wrong way to head-scratching quarterbacks because on an individual play basis, on a highlight package basis, he's as good as any quarterback in the league.

The individual plays he can make are elite. But like over the course of a game, sometimes he'll be watching me like, what is going on? He makes a ton of money. This is a team that I think it's incredible. You've been able to coward. They got all these like stats guys feeding your stats. They finished like second or last in the division five of the last six years. So they have not won a lot.

He's making a ton of money. Next year is like the last year where his contracts, I think like $38 million guaranteed or something. He's still, even if they win seven, eight games again, his value because he's going to make so many plays is not terrible. You'd still be able to trade him for like a second round pick. But how often can a guy go and not make the playoffs year after year at quarterback when he's making a lot of money

with a GM and a head coach that didn't draft him? So now the Cardinals, could make the play. Like they actually could be decent. They got a lot of good players. But it's like, I don't know. Am I taking Jonathan Gannon over like McVeigh and Kyle? Obviously McVeigh is going to be the favorite to win the division.

I think the Niners are going to be good. So I just think something's got to give with the Kyler-Murray situation. And the Steelers, I think his market would be pretty interesting. I'm trying to think who else would be out there. Steelers definitely. The Jets, I could see. I mean, the Fields thing is going to be a disaster. the Giants, I guess they got Jackson Darp, but who knows.

Yeah, I mean, the Steelers, Aaron Rogers, he's playing one more season. He basically just said the Steelers have no backup plan at a quarterback. So they're kind of in the situation that the Colts have been in for a long time. Just year to year. We'll just, and I don't blame them. Like, what are they supposed to do? We'll just figure it out next year. That's their mindset.

We'll just figure it out in February. Uh, which division do you think is going to be the strongest this year? AFC West or North? NFC West or North? It's probably going to be the AFC West because the vast improvements of the Chargers and the Broncos with Carol. Being a Seahawks fan, I think the NFC West could be a sleeper depending on Darnold and Kyler with the Niners if they're healthy.

I think the West's going to be really good. You could convince me, you could make a case in the NFC West for any of the four teams making the playoffs. I don't think the Raiders could make the playoffs, but like you said, they got Pete Carroll, they got Gino Smith, they have a good draft, you got Brock Bowers coming back, Max Crosby's happy and healthy, they're going to be much improved.

And that division with Denver, I mean, three legit playoff teams coming into the season. Denver, even if you're not the biggest Bo Nix guy, well, they got one of the best offensive coaches in the league, and they have an elite defense. The Chiefs just go to the playoffs every single year with the division every single year. And the Chargers, Google Jim Harbaugh,

second year usually. Usually gets better. So I actually think the AFC North comes back a little bit. You know, the Bengals got a lot of weird shit going on. Their best pass rusher hates the team and just refuses to show up. We could argue who's right

and who's wrong there. Their rookie pass rusher that they drafted to replace that guy that, one, we don't even know if he's that good because he didn't have that many sacks in college. He's leaving practice all the time because their contract stipulation is out of left field.

comparing, you know, claiming his agent, whatever. I don't want to get into the minutia of all this bullshit. But, like, they got problems. Yeah, their offense is awesome. Their offense was awesome last year. Got to play defense. So, I would say the AFC North, the Ravens are going to be really good.

The Browns are not. Their quarterback situation sucks. And Pittsburgh, they are rolled Aaron Rogers' ankle away from being fucked. So I would go, I think the West is going to be good. both West are going to be good. If the Cowboys are solid,

which I wouldn't just assume the Cowboys are going to suck. Would it shock me if the Cowboys were a 9-win team? It would not. So then you would have the Cowboys, who do have some really good players if Dad can stay healthy. Let's just say the coach is solid. And we know Washington's good, and we know the Eagles are unreal.

So maybe the East could be pretty solid. And if the Giants' defense is good, their offense probably suck, but. I'm 28 and getting married in September. Now that it's been a couple months since your wedding, I'm curious if there are any noticeable differences from life before and after the marriage. That's a good question, and the answer is no. Now, granted, I'm older than you, and we have lived together for a long time.

So our day-to-day life, I would say the biggest change is that my last name is now on her business, card on her credit cards on her ID. But in terms of like day to day life of like who's going to walk the dog, who's going to take out the trash, how we operate of like, hey, we need, you know, to vacuum the kitchen, whatever. It's the same business as usual. So I could see where it would be a big change if, now I would imagine in 2025 more people. than ever before they get married have lived together for a decent substantial amount of time. Obviously, some of you guys, old school, religious people, maybe not, but I don't know, none of my friends or no one in my life has ever gotten married without living with the other person before. And I would say most of those people lived with their significant other for a long time.

So I would say the biggest change in someone's relationship in my experience is living with someone else. that that is there's some getting used and even me and maria like there are things like she's much cleanlier than me i mean i would say i'm not the cleanest person but i'd be like i'll i'll hit the cleaner twice a week bring her over like i don't really want to do it i don't want to waste my time doing it she's big on being clean um and that's a little thing but for the most part and listen i i get better i mean i can improve i mean i'll be the first to admit uh have room for growth but once you live with someone for a year, two years, whether you're married or not,

you either find out, like, are we compatible or not? So I would say that was figured out years ago and changes that had to be made to sustain were made. I speak, you killed on the herd, speak out of curiosity. The majority of us enjoyed the watching. My question is, hypothetically speaking, is that if a spot were ever open up full-time, would you do it? I understand if you can't answer this,

and the peak of the herd content in the middle of the off-season, very engaging. I saw so many comments, and I do just want to address this. I've been thinking about sending Jason McIntyre a text. The only reason I did this, because out of the blue, coward text me, and he goes, hey, McIntyre's on vacation, we don't have a second, we don't have a fill-in, would you be interested? Colin could ask me, hey, I forgot something in New York. Could you go to New York and pick up my Stanley that I forgot?

Do you know what my answer would have been? Yes. Why? He not only personally has meant a lot to me. Professionally, he's changed my life financially over the course of the last half decade. It's game changing for me and my family. So he could have asked, hey, you want to, we need you to fill in for McIntyre, or I need you to go to my house in Chicago

and pick up my two pair of socks that I need to wear here in Los Angeles and I said, no problem. So I think a lot of people are like, middle coffee, I have zero. And I mean zero desire for another person's job to take a job. This is my job.

This is my life. This podcast is, I'm lucky enough, the way these businesses work, ownership, like this is mine. Uh, it's been financially very viable. Like, this is all I think about 24-7, 365. Now, when Colin asked me to do things, um, I just say yes. And I think that's a good piece of advice to anyone young listening.

When you get into ball with someone professionally and it goes well, be a yes, man. Make their life easier. But this was not like, I, I never even crossed my mind to attempt to do this. Uh, not going to, it was cool. I mean, I was glad that I was asked to do it, but I don't want to take anyone's job. I fucking want no... There is no amount.

I mean, I'd never say no amount because I could keep residents here. I would never move back to California. Live there for 35 years. I actively chose to cross an imaginary line to sit where I'm sitting now. I mean, going to L.A., and obviously I spent a lot more time in Northern California,

it is insane. Obviously, I've been there over the years for short periods of time. How many fucking people are there? It's crazy. clearly if you have an ungodly amount of money, cool place to live, but absolutely zero desire.

I'm also, I'm not a corporate guy. Like, I have thrived and I've worked in the corporate world in radio. I've thrived getting out of that. That's what I do best. Now, again,

Colin needs something. I say yes. But, you know, and I appreciate all the kind words. I've also worked in radio. somewhat similar to this of like when someone fills in for you

people are always like is this guy angling for something there is no angling there is no desire I got fucking I just do if he needs anything I'm there said hey John need you tomorrow I'm there so that's the type of relationship that we have

from my perspective right it's this isn't two way street I don't I don't ask anything of him really anything he asks me I'm I'm in so but in terms of like, I do feel, and I get it, it's like, typically I pay no attention to social media comments. Obviously, there's a lot of positive ones, but negative, just in general about most things that I do. This one, I was a little uncomfortable because this is not, it's not my seat. I don't want

the seat. I'm not gunning for the seat. They paid me to come out there in terms of flew me out there. I would, if Colin, like it, he just said, hey, you got to pay your way. I just need to hear it for a couple of days. I would have done it. This wasn't, I just feel. I just feel. I feel a little uncomfortable. You know, I'm a podcaster. This is my baby. This is what I do. And if anything, I'm quadrupling down here and that's been my mindset.

This came out of the blue and it was, again, cool, thankful. Everyone, it's one of the great Fugazis, and I realized this sitting there, is people that think they could do specifically him. Some of you could probably do a group setting on a TV studio and just talk back and forth. Most human beings, if you just knew football, could have a football conversation on camera. Obviously, some would be better than others. But I do think after a couple reps, most people could just formulate conversations. Again, I'm not saying you'd be entertaining or good, but because the average person that goes, I could do that.

Here's what I know. And I know this for a fact. 99.99% of people wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell to attempt to do a Colin does. Having a front row seat and watching him truly cook by himself for just segment after segment after segment, no one else in the business could do what he's doing. No fucking chance. None. Not live on television. I was thinking like, could I do this? I'm pretty good. Like, I'm pretty confident in my skills. But I also podcasting like, I'm recording this. I'm not live. I have no time constraints. I don't have a 12-minute segment where I got to hit three different

things while opening up with an ad and ending with an ad and then transitioning it's like the skill he has his talent obviously to formulate his thoughts to bring the different analogies to to weave in and out of stuff to be there i mean he's it's like watching jordan and pippin you know run the fast breaks like this is this is fucking awesome a couple times just because the way that desk is set It's like, this is badass. Like, this guy is... And listen, I've done a million podcasts with him, known him forever, been on his show before his guests. Sitting there watching him do that was just like...

It was inspiring. It honestly made me think, like, I've got to step up my game. I got to be better. Because this, in my, this medium that I do, and shit, he profits off as well. He, it's a different deal. But what he does on television slash his radio show, it's a skill that like most other people in the industry if you put most other people and like ESPN

you just sat him in that seat and say replicate this it would be a tire fire it'd be it'd be an embarrassment it was it fired me up a couple of time watching I'm like this is this guy's just cooking right now talent man now he'd be the first tell you've been doing it for a long time the reps and everything but his

his his his capabilities abilities and abilities and just how excited he still is you know i hope you know as time goes and i keep doing this like i'm still fired up to do this as i am right now because i still uh obviously really enjoy talking for a living but man he's i'm very lucky to be associated with uh that man that's my number one takeaway and trying to take it nobody's job i don't i have a job it's called this my podcast this is my life it's not even my job it's my life it's not even my job it's my life This is my family, my life. Los Angeles, fuck that.

As a Bill's fan in Buffalo native, one of the few things we can hang our hat on is incredible food. I remember you in the past talking about a certain college game and how the atmosphere was unmatched. Since the bills are good this year and have a loaded schedule, I'd highly recommend you come here for a game.

Everything from drinks to randoms, it'd be badass. People ask me all the time. You know, I think the shitty part about, my job is like I can't and I've been I've been lucky enough to have been to a lot of NFL games in my life like I just I can't afford to go to the games because the way Sundays work out the way me and Colin record after the afternoon games and then the way I record after the Sunday night game it's just I wouldn't be able to even if like the 49ers played here and

came played the Cardinals like I can't I don't have time to travel it just doesn't work So it's, I would love to go to a Bill's game. Maybe I could pull it off on like a Monday night, but the travel, it's just, listen, this is a first world podcasting problem, but like I haven't been to a really NFL game in a long, long time. And looking forward, I don't envision myself going to a game for a long, long time. Which is fine. What do you think the reputation is for Mike McDaniel?

I'm asking because I think he will, this will be his last season with the Dolphins. Do you think he would be in high demand if he would, was available. I do think he'd be in high demand as an assistant coach. And the reputation, like, obviously the 49ers guys, I remember talking to Use Check and George Kittle, like he was very, very well respected with the 49ers players. Because from a run game mind, Mike McDaniel's kind of a genius. I think he's a really good scheme assistant coach.

As a head coach, I mean, it doesn't look like the team takes him that seriously. he's run through defensive coordinators his players don't show up on time so I would say I've never heard anything bad about him I do think the look in the you know wearing the expensive glasses and the expensive watch and I get it like you know I know some people it's like I'm rich why do I care if like people judge me that I drive a range rover I'd still be rich if I drove a fucking Honda Civic like yeah he's making millions of dollars so if he has a hundred thousand watch or a pair of $2,000 sunglasses. And again, I don't even know if that's what these things cost.

How much is a watch cost? But I do think it's a little off-putting for some. But it's his prerogative. At the end of the day, if you can coach, you can coach, it doesn't matter. I don't think he... I think it's safe to say he's not a head coach. And I'm with you. I think the dolphins are going to be a disaster this year.

If the 49ers finish under 500, who gets blamed? With a schedule like this, there can be, no excuse. It's a good question. I would say that I think Kyle and John would take a lot of heat. You know, I think the drafts over the last couple years, the way they've built this team, you know, they were going to pay Purdy no matter what. And they got Purdy relative to some of these other quarterbacks for relatively cheap.

If you have a coach who's a top five, six, seven coach, a GM that is one of the highest pay GMs in the league. Like, it's on them to win. And I'm with you. The schedule, it's just not that difficult. It's just not. And you can tell me,

like, Julian Edelman can be like, you can never say that. It's PS. I'm sorry, playing the Titans and playing the Saints is different in playing the Bills and the Ravens. It just is.

We all know that. So Belichick can tell me how great the fucking special teams unit is. It's like, the team's 0. 10, they're 0.10. So the 49ers, even with the schedule,

I'm not expecting them to win 14 games. But, like, If you're a $20 million coach, $15 million coach, Kyle's one of the highest paid coaches in the league, they're general managers. I think just him, Howie, he's on the short list of highest paid GMs in the league, if not the highest paid GM in the league,

you should win 10 games. And they know that. They'd be the first to tell you that. And I expect them to be good. I do. I think they're going to be good. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. After watching Nick Wright go on the herd and since you both work for the volume, wouldn't it be nice to collaborate? Maybe before the NFL season starts. I actually just got his number today

from the big boss. man, not Colin, but Logan, at the volume, and I was going to shoot him a text, maybe after 4th of July. I plan on having him on for sure. I've planned on it even before recently, or you sent me this DM, but he'll come on the show. Well, I mean, if he says yes, but I plan on text him and ask him to come on for sure. Great job on Colin's show. Even Nick Wright gave you some props. Only advice, and your wife will agree, wear a darker colored shirt. Like, a navy blue and most important iron the collar with a little starch so it stays up you're making a first impression be impressive your vocal skills and knowledge are shining trust me on the shirt

i mean the i appreciate that i only have some i'm a podcaster man i wore t-shirts pullovers plus i'm a little fat right now i didn't fit in some of my stuff so i had to improvise uh listening to and Colin had me thinking of topics for this upcoming slow period. A ranking of quality of fan life for every city with three major teams. Things to consider. Current ownership, fan bases, competent front offices, performance in the last 25 years. What are the best cities to be a sports fan? And what are the worst?

Well, I would say L.A. would be up there. The Dodgers are elite. I mean, the Lakers, they were the three-seat this year, and they've been good the last five years with LeBron. And the Rams have won a Super Bowl and go to the playoffs every year. Chargers are now good with Harbaugh. USC football is the only problem. And I would imagine, I talked to someone in the Fox building who's a big USC guy,

and they are spending so much money right now on NIL. Like USC, they're not going to be down for long. They just have too much money. So they're going to be fine. I would say L.A. would be pretty high up there. You know, Philly. The Phillies are good. Obviously, the Eagles are the champs.

Sixers are a joke. Not a big hockey guy, so can't speak on the 76ers. New York feels low. The Barry's had a decent run. You know, they had Steph Curry, won four titles. The Niners went to a couple of Super Bowls. Giants, it kind of sucked. To me, the key is, like, obviously, best case scenario,

you get, like, the Chiefs. You get the Dodgers. You get this team that's unstoppable. I think what most fans would sign up for, like if you live in Chicago or you live in Dallas or you live wherever, can just all my teams be good? Can just all my teams going into the season have a chance to be a contender? Even if I get bounced in the first round or the second round,

like if every year, part of the reason what sucks if you're a cowboy fan, obviously you let down in the playoffs a couple times, and then last year you didn't even, you drafted 12th. If you just one of those years would have been to like the NFC championship, but they're like, you know what, we've been pretty good lately. been pretty good lately. I think that's what most people want. We've been pretty good lately.

And then once you've been pretty good for a while, it's like, can we win a title? Like if you're a Detroit Lions fan, I'd say their spirits are pretty high right now. Lions have been good. The Pistons are now good. Pretty sure, Tiger's pretty good this year? I think they are.

I just think you want your teams to all be good. You don't have to be the Patriots. They don't have to be the Chiefs. They don't have to be the Dodgers. They don't have to be OKC. Can they just be like all my teens in the playoffs? It's pretty fun. It makes watching all the games enjoyable.

Uh, long time listener, first time mailback. Could be the devil's advocate and make a case for putting Bo Nix above Jason, uh, Jaden Daniels. I will fully agree that Jaden's rookie season was impressive and to take a team to the NFC title needs deep, big time price. That being said, it's only one year in and he's magically a tight. top five quarterback in most analysts list. If the commanders face the bills in Buffalo for their first playoff game, would they have a

playoff win? The NFC with the very little debate is an easier conference. It seems a little unfair that Bo's rookie year is so overlooked by everybody, but as a Bronco fan because Jayden's was a little bit better. I do know having Sean Payton as a head coach doesn't hurt, but Bo is now the 14th quarterback under center since the sheriff retired. I also think back to Peyton Manning's rookie season, not being the greatest, and Ryan Leif having a better one. I don't remember that.

I know Peyton had a bad rookie season, but let's just bring up the numbers really quick. I'm with you. Obviously, if the commanders had to play the Bills or the Ravens in the first round, they would not have won a playoff game. I do not disagree there. But when you look at Bo Nix, threw more touchdowns than you think. He threw 29 touchdowns, 12 picks, ran for four touchdowns, ran for almost 4 and 30 yards.

Jaden threw 25 and 9, ran for six touchdowns. I'm with you. They were closer. I think Bo Nix is good. I think Bo Nix is good. I would say one thing, you know, I think when you look at the teams that Denver beat, I'd have to go back and look their schedule.

you know, Washington did win two playoff games on the road. Now, you can say, hey, Detroit was injured still. I mean, I saw Minnesota play. I'm fucking lose last game of the season. I think when you just watched, like with the eye test, you just went Jayden Daniels a better player in Bow Nix. That can also be true that Bo Nix is a good player. And if I was a Denver Bronco fan, I'd be really happy.

And like you said, he's the best quarterback since the sheriff retired. And the quarterback situation since Peyton Manning retired couldn't have been much worse. So I think sometimes we get so cut up and like this guy versus that guy, it's like, who even cares? They don't parallel. One team plays in the NFC,

one team plays in the AFC. Your path is harder. Your path is more difficult. Your division is more difficult. But like, things can still be good and things can still be, you can be really optimistic. Who cares like what Dan Orlovsky

or I don't even, I'm sure he likes Bownecks, but whoever. says, like, don't get caught up in that. Your fucking team's good. Your coach loves the squat. I watch a decent amount of Sean Payton's press conferences. Like, he's pretty positive on this.

I think he thinks they're going to be pretty good. I think he thinks he's going to be really good. That, to me, is all that matters. Okay, last question. Nice to see you on TV. Question for the pod. How can Dak Prescott go from second MVP voting to somehow Baker may feel better than him?

If it wasn't for an injury, this wouldn't be a take, seeing that Baker has never been considered better than DAC up until this year, DAC has hurt. Secondly, the pendulum has swung too far to think Dallas, with its schedule, won't win at least 10 games. With more wide receiver help and more running back help, a revamped own line, top five edge rusher, run-stopping edge from last year who was good in games, he played back from injury, top-five corner. Okay, I hear you. I actually think Dallas is going to be okay.

But based on last year, even if Dak had been healthy, Baker was a better player. Baker was one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. Like, that's not arguable. I think he was second in the league in touchdowns, and he was just a high-end player. Baker looked excellent. And again, this is the Bo Nix-Jad and Daniels thing.

When you just watch the two guys play, Baker is a better arm. At this point in time, Baker's more mobile, which would have sound crazy a couple years ago, but Dak's not mobile anymore. So, yeah, DAC of three years ago that put up the big-time season. Like, we're in 2025.

This isn't 2022 or 23. It's 25. And the other thing is Dak's coming off a major injury. Shattered his ankle and then he ripped his hammy. Now, I was watching the good good guys

who are a golf YouTube channel had on Dak and Will Greer and just watching Dak play golf, which is cool. Again, this is what I talked about in the NBA. Football players are pretty relatable. I mean, they're just good at doing relatable things. And Dak, you watch them on this video

is fun, having a good time, swearing. And look good. again, playing golf, but looks like he's healthy. But I would say if you told me right now, if you're like, hey, John, you run an NFL team, for the next three years, would you rather have Dak Prescott or Baker Mayfield? I would rather have Baker Mayfield.

Could be wrong. Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just going off one year. But for the next three years, I'm taking Baker Mayfield. The other thing is, what is the difference? Baker is 30 years old? How old is Dak? Dak Prescott

is, yeah, turns 32. So there's only a couple years. Similar age. I do think the wear and tear, though, is no joke. I mean, Dak multiple lower body injuries. And Baker's has a better arm. Always has. I mean, Dak doesn't have a great arm.

And I would say now his arm is going to pain you to hear this. And I've always been pro-Dak. Like, I'm not as some Dak Prescott hater. His arms closer to Alex Smith than it is one of the top guys. So he's going to be Schadenheimer I'm with you

I don't think they're going to be People are acting like they're just Coward thinks You know Schotenheimer is going to be one and done Once the last time Jerry had a one and done coach If I had to bet right now I bet Dallas wins between They're more likely to win 9 or 10

than they are 4 or 5 Now if you told me they went 7 I think that's believable But if you told me they went 9 and 8 I definitely could believe that Appreciate everyone watching Thanks for all the kind words And we'll talk soon

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Nice. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick.

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We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was part of you. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that Game 7, Marquis keep coming to you. He's like, you know I love you, dog. You know it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Every family has its secrets.

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