The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Kevin Durant, NY Giants, Manny Machado, and the Lakers

Episode Date: October 17, 2018

Colin discusses the trolling the NBA did last night, why Golden State Warriors F Kevin Durant won his divorce with Oklahoma City Thunder PG Russell Westbrook, why the problems of the New York Giants is the fault of owner John Mara, why he enjoys watching Manny Machado, and why the Los Angeles Lakers will be fine if they don't get Kawhi Leonard or Jimmy Butler. Guests include Nick Wright Stephen Jackson, Joel Klatt, Jason Whitlock, and Tom Verducci. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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crucial game in that series. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Good morning. Good morning. Now, there's a lot of different things today I could talk about. I've got a million things in front of me today I want to talk about. But I just want to start talking about something that I thought this happened late last night. And the NBA was trolling and I don't think they meant to. They were unintentionally almost mean-spirited to one of their stars, almost cruel to one of their stars. So we know when Westbrook and KD got a divorce. We know that KD won. KD. chose he chose royalty over loyalty. Kevin Durant now is better than Westbrook. He's got a better coach than Westbrook. He's in a cooler city than Westbrook. He is still growing as a player.

Westbrook is plateaued. Nine months from now, Kevin Durant's a free agent going to have all sorts of options, whereas Westbrook is tied to one team. KD. won the divorce. He won the divorce. But there's no reason to rub it in. A lot of times in divorce, she does better than you. You do better than her. But last night, we know that Kevin Durant's won the divorce. He's got options in nine months.

He got the better coach. He got the better teammates. He got the rings. He got the finals MVP. He can get out of the first round. But last night was rubbing it in. They had a ring ceremony. And I'm sitting there watching the ring ceremony.

And they gave Kevin Durant. His ring last. So Russell Westbrook in street clothes, not playing. It's one thing to get dumped. Kevin Durant dumped Westbrook. It's one thing to get dumped by your girlfriend. It's another thing that she upgrades to a stud muffin. It's another thing if you're forced to go to the wedding and watch the ring ceremony as you hand out champagne spritzers.

That was brutal. Westbrook had to sit and watch that. Bad news. I mean, he might as well been outside parking cars in the reception. That was brutal. That was brutal. And here's the thing.

The NBA didn't mean to do it, but I'm sitting there watching that thing. And I'm thinking to myself, God, that was like rubbing it in your face. And by the way, everybody tells me these guys get along. It's fine. It's no big deal. But third play of the game, after this ring ceremony,

here's what happened. And we all heard about KD and Russ. Well, after KD just blocked a shock of Stephen Adams on that end, he looked at Russ Westbrook, and those two had some words, always competitive, ready to go at each other. I was like, why hasn't he running down to court? And look who's there standing on the bench. Tight jeans and a coat, that man, Westbrook,

one of the toughest workers in the business. In the history of the NBA, there have been a lot of players who played together and then went their separate ways. Like Kobe and Shaq. Shaq won it early, then later Kobe kind of won it late. But they've both gone on to good lives.

I think in the history of NBA star divorces, celebrity divorces, Hollywood has a lot, sports has a few, this is the most one-sided ever. Kevin Durant is getting fit for MVP of the finals rings right in front of a physically wearing down Russell Westbrook. And in nine months, Kevin Durant could go to the Lakers. He can go anywhere. everybody was going to want him. Minnesota's going to want him. Lakers going to want him.

Phoenix's going to want him. Golden State's going to still want him. Portland's going to want him. Nick's going to want him. Miami's going to want him. Celtics would take him. I mean, this is the most lobsided divorce in league history. And that Westbrook, NBA didn't try to intentionally be trolls.

He had to sit through that thing, watch that thing, deal with that thing. That's brutal. That is, you got dumped. She married a stud. Go to the wedding. and watch the ring ceremony. In fact, park cars outside at the reception. I'm telling you right now, Westbrook hated last night.

He'll never admit he hated last night. And Durant loved last night. Absolutely loved it. The most lobsided divorce in NBA history. Many of you didn't see it was late last night. A lot of good sports on TV tonight today. Later today, Dodgers Brewers. Okay, New York, the Giants are a mess.

We got Odell calling out Eli. And Eli defending Eli, and Odell defending Odell. And now the owner, John Marrow, the Giants, has stepped in and is essentially defending Eli here. They find Odell Beckham for comments. And now here's John Marr, the owner, talking about Odell's comments, and Odell basically being Odell recently. I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and does off the field. I think he needs to do a little more playing, a little less talking. Wow. Wow. He's a new franchise guy. You know what this is, don't you? This is chasing your mistake in April. That's all this is. The owner didn't have the guts on that April night. The owner John Mara is upset, but this could all be alleviated if Sam Darnold was.

is a New York giant. By the way, the New York Jets are three and three. They don't have a star receiver like Odell. They don't have a star back like Sequin Barclay. They don't have a left tackle as good as Nate Solder. They haven't spent that kind of money on free agents on defense, but the Jets are going to own this city for a decade. And now the owner is upset with the star receiver because the owner didn't have the guts on a April night. You remember the moment. We all watched the moment. This was the moment.

Sam Darnold is now there for the drafting by the Giants or somebody to come up and get him. It could be the Jets. It could be the Broncos. The Giants might give pause and go ahead and choose that young man out of USC. The New York Giants have not traded this pick. They have made it.

Could it be Sam Darnold? Could it be Sequam Barkley? This is a linchpin pick of the 2018 draft. with the second pick in the 2018 NFL draft the New York Giants select Saquan Barkley running back Penn State well what it tells you right off the bat

is that Dave Gettelman did not believe that any of the quarterbacks left on the board were a franchise quarterback now that doesn't that's not necessarily all it told me it told me the owner didn't want to draft a quarterback and Sam Donald ironically now shares the same facility could be wearing blue, he's wearing green, and will be for 15 years.

The owner now is upset with the star player who was kind of a disruptor, kind of talkative, kind of a showboat, a little bit of a diva, super talented, before the contract. And now the owner's mad after the contract, and Odell Beckham hasn't changed one bit. This is chasing your mistake in April. By the way, with very, very, very, very, very few exceptions. Only one position in the NFL quarterback changes outcomes. If you look at the teams right now who are struggling in the locker room and with, quote, Titans, Dallas, Giants, Jacksonville Raiders, they got outcome problems because they got quarterback problems. They got quarterbacks underachieving.

Saquan Barkley changes stats. He does not change outcomes. Saquan Barkley against Philadelphia had nine catches for 99 yards, had 133 yards rushing, and the Giants scored. 13 points. When the Jets running backs have a big night, the Jets have twice scored over 40 and three times over 30 and

6 games. Sequin Barclay is a great player, and he'll give you great stats. But stats don't change locker rooms. Outcomes do. And Sam Darnold and the

three and three jets without a star receiver, without a star back, without a star left tackle, with a below average offensive line, without spending a fortune on defensive free agents, without a new offensive shiny coach, are three and three, and the quotes coming from the Jets are optimistic and positive and one direction, and the owner likes the quarterback, and the owner likes the receivers, and the receivers like the quarterback, and everybody's getting along.

Come on, John Mara. Odell Beckham hasn't changed one IOD. you didn't have the guts in April to make the move. You knew Eli was getting bad four years ago. But you bench him and everybody freaks out. Oh, my God, it's the Manning family. And the press doesn't like me in radio's ripping me. Let's take a running back.

Quarterbacks change outcomes. You got an outcome problem because you have a quarterback problem. Odell Beckham is exactly. who he's always been. He's not the issue. Coming up next, I strongly defend agitators. NBA agitators, baseball agitators, and football agitators. Plus Nick Wright's coming up.

The MLB postseason continues in just a few hours with a crucial game five of the NLCS. Manny Machado and the Dodgers look to build on the momentum after last night's epic 13 inning win as they take on Christian Yelich and the Brewers. coverage begins at 4 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Probably the baseball game of the season. Cody Bellinger was awful. One for 22. They didn't start him.

Came in in the 8th, got a hit, and then had the game winner in the 13th inning. It was a wild game. It took a long time. It was five and a half hours. But it's ironic because Bellinger's been struggling in the series. And by the way, Josh Hater pitched again last night. He's probably not available today.

Edge to the Dodgers. This is probably the biggest baseball game, certainly in the National League. Kershaw's pitching for the Dodgers. This is a huge one tonight. By the way, so let me. So let me, I support agitators. I think Dennis Rodman is good for sports.

And Richard Sherman was good for sports. And Josh Norman is good for sports. And Tiger Woods could troll. And Muhammad Ali trolled. And Connor McGregor trolled. And they were agitators and they were annoyers. And Mani Machado last night for the Dodgers did something. And everybody in baseball is freaking out.

Nobody got hurt. But Mani Machado is a guy that plays every game. 162, 159, 158 plays every game. And they don't like it in baseball because he's, not quote Johnny Hustle. Sometimes he doesn't run down to first hard. Who gives a rip? He's the only Dodger hitting in the entire damn series. And he plays every game. Would you rather he play 140? But he runs out hard to first during every play. It's baseball. It's hot. June, July, August, September's outdoors. Sometimes you're exhausted. You get a bad night's sleep. Go out with your

girl, have a couple cocktails, get to the batting cage. You hit a hard ground ball to short. Hell, I'm out. I'm not running it. It's the bigs, not Little League. They don't overthrow first. So Mani Machado did this last night and everybody's freaking out in baseball. Watch it for yourself. Now the 3-1 pitch. Left side, hit hard right at Arcea. Two out. Aguilar and Machado got tangled up at the bag. I think Aguilar has a good reason to be upset. The more I look at that replay of Machado, that really doesn't come off looking like an accident, irregardless of whether it was an accident or it It's never a good look, and you never want to be talking about that after the game. Actually, I think it's great. He's a troll. On the internet, that's called trolling, and it's effective. It gets into your head. He's in the brewer's head.

By the way, Tiger Woods did that. When Tiger Woods would hit a pot, he wouldn't sit around and wait for you. Tiger Woods would leave to the next hole, and the gallery would follow Tiger Woods, therefore affecting, it was not protocol in the gentleman's game, but therefore, the gallery's moving, you're getting ready to putt, and you can see everybody moving, and Tiger Woods was an agitator. He was a troll, Muhammad Ali, Connor McGregor. This whole thing about, yes, he did it on purpose. He's trying to get in Milwaukee's head and Draymond Green and Rondo and Rodman and Lambere and Josh Norman and Richard Sherman.

Agitators are effective in sports. They poke you in the ribs. They troll you on the internet. They get in your head. Ooh, it's a dirty play. Anybody get hurt? That first baseman's $2.60. He's fine.

His calf muscle's fine. Machado's the only guy hitting in this series for the Dodgers. By the way, hits, runs, extra base hits. RBI. He leaves the Dodgers in all of them. And he plays every stinking game. My favorite baseball player of all time was George Brett. Google him.

He missed 30 games a year. Machado's there every day. Only guy hitting. And he's an agitator. I love it. By the way, Jim Palmer. an all-time great pitcher. He goes, once again, man, he doesn't run hard. Down 0-0-0 in the 4th, too tired to run. Pathetic. He wants big money. He deserves big money. He's a superstar

in baseball. They got about four of them. By the way, New York Post, the Yankees won him, the Cubs want him. Dodgers don't need him because Seeger's coming back. Dodgers are one of the few teams that don't need him. I'm not sure. I think I'd like him. But there's a story in the New York Post today. Mani Machado not worth the trouble for the Yankees. What? Exqueze me? I beg your jargon? Not worth the trouble?

Because sometimes there was a game in Toronto. He didn't run down hard to first. Michael Jordan took quarters off. LeBron's taken months off. It's called January. Muhammad Ali, Ropa Dope, hit me. I'll sit back and wear you out. This is part of sports, man.

Getting under your skin, poking you in the ribs, ticking you off. And I love what Machado's doing. I'd pay for him. It's about production. And for the record, baseball has historically suppressed personality. They didn't used to. They didn't used to do this in baseball. Ricky Henderson could be crazy. Al Raboski, Mark Fidrich, Mickey Rivers, Pete Rose.

He used to be able to be a goofball. Reggie Jackson was a diva stared at home runs. Baseball suppresses individuality. I'm on Team Manny. Troll Moore. Pay him. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Oh, Golden State Warriors are getting used to these ring ceremonies, huh? Did you see how casual they looked last night? You know, you think of, like, getting your ring. It's this emotional moments, you know, all the fans are there. It's just like, you're just sitting in this incredible moment. They're like, nah, da-da-da-da-da-da.

Apparently the rings are different. Yes, they are. They have very expensive taste. So the 2017 championship ring, they set the record for the most diamonds in a championship ring. And this year, they did. doubled down on the record setting for their 2018 rings, and they made them reversible. What? Yes.

So the top part, we're showing the video of it right now. They tweeted it out if you're listening to us on their page. So the top part comes off, and then they have their little saying, strength, and numbers etched on the inside. And then you can flip it, you can flip the top part of the ring, so it's a different color. So you have like the... That's a maze balls. Blue... I don't know.

How many of those does Westbrook have? Oh, here you go. Yeah. They're made by Jason's of Beverly Hills. Very, very famous designer. So, very fancy stuff. Westbrook's still the fastest guy. If you're not a big, well, you wear a little bit of jewelry.

You wear some bracelets. No, I don't even wear a wedding ring, and I'm happily married. But you wear bracelets sometimes. I have a, yeah, I have my wife bought me a bracelet. I got one of those, but I'm not a jewelry guy. Yeah, I don't, I don't wear a lot of jewelry either. I have watches. I wear my mantra bands and then, you know.

My watch is my iPhone. My special ring. Let me see your ring. Oh, got that skating rink he gave you? Good God. Good God. It'll bring Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux out here to skate on that thing. Thanks, baby.

Yeah, it's not a reversible ring. No. It's time for the real deal. Bought to you by Carl's Jr. Anne Hardies and Cody Bellinger is the real deal. Bellinger's walk-off single in the bottom of the 13th inning, scored Manny Machado to give the Dodgers a 2-1 win over the Brewers. He put an end to that five-hour marathon.

The tie, the NLCS, a two games apiece. And he also made a ridiculous. diving catch in the 10th as well. He was having a terrible series, and he ends up having the best catch of the series. I think he got a hit off Hater, and then he got the game-winning hit late. Game lasted a long time. These are very, very, I thought when I started watching the series, first three games, I thought the Brewers were better. I'm not sure now. Today's the series. I don't think Hater's available. Kershaw pitches. Machado's hitting. It kind of feels like Milwaukee's better to me. My gut feeling is Milwaukee's the better team, but I think it sets up today.

for the Dodgers to win with Kershaw. Well, yeah, Kershaw is pitching for the Dodgers. And game five is coming up here on FS1. Coverage starts at 4 Eastern 1. By the way, who did Bellinger hit in? Machado. Mani Machado was on base. It's funny. How to get on base?

Because he ran hard to first, apparently. Hard enough to get on base. It's okay to have a little bit of personality. It's okay to be a little spicy. Everyone's going to be all right. Baseball will survive. Yes, they'll survive. Finally, six weeks in the 2018 NFL season,

the Raiders are 1 and 5. Tied for the worst record. In the NFL, they've been outscored by 66 points across their six games, which is the worst point differential in the league. So it's probably to say to say that the Raiders aren't very good at football right now. Just don't say that they're tanking, because John Gruden won't like that. I'll say this, we're not tanking anything. I hear the hatred out there. Some of the rumors that we're tanking it to get a first round pick or a higher pick.

You know, we're not getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning to tank it. and ain't nobody tanking it. And I don't know who wrote that or who said that or who thinks that, but that ain't the case here. You know, we're going to continue to work hard, continue to build our team. And that was part of the message. By the way, they're not tanking. Who says they're tanking? Yeah, I've not heard these rumors that the Raiders are tanking.

You know, the thing is, if Derek Carr was and John were working better together and Derek was playing better, then I think there'd be a lot more harmony. I mean, they've had opportunities to win. a couple of games. They were awful in London against Seattle. But a lot of this is just, if the Gruden Derek Carr thing can work, just that. Forget Cleo Mac. If that can work, most of these issues

will be solved. Because they'll go 9 and 7, 8 and 8, and then everybody will be like, yeah, it's working. John's got to worry about one dude. Make Derek Carr work. You know what I think in basketball it's a little different because there's less players. If you move a superstar here or

there, you have a completely different dynamic to your team and a completely different direction. I think with football you have so many guys who are used to a certain way of things. And I know you come in and you want to a new coach wants to institute a new culture. But I feel like

if you take for example what Sean McVeigh is done, when you talk to them when you're around that team, you can see that they are all on the same page. Oh God, yeah. So I don't think that coming into a situation where you have guys who are used to things being one way, used to communication being one way, that you come in and

just bulldoze a situation. Because unless you have extreme talent, you're going to be in a situation where there's a lack of communication and you're going to struggle. I just feel like it's not always, I know you want to institute a new culture as a new coach. Right. Or Gruden coming back to the coach.

Yeah. I mean, there's just other ways to approach creating a new culture and easing things into it. Like, it's not like Derek Carr is a terrible quarterback. What happened? Yeah. Gruden brought a sledgehammer to what should have been a little bit of pillow fight moving around the chairs.

Yeah, I mean, let's have to hold hands and sing kumbaya, but get everybody on the same page and then slowly institute your culture and the way that you want to do things. And maybe the way that some parts of what was being done wasn't all negative. And you bring that into it too. Joey Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. You know, it's, I got so many things to talk about today. So I'm just going to bring my guest on Nick Wright via the Coward Global Satellite. work. So before I get to something, I'm going to throw a theory out to you, which was another amazing theory, which should be documented by acts of Congress. Let's start out with this.

I have been critical of OBJ, but I said to start my show today. This is all about John Mara not having the guts in April to get a quarterback. Because Sequin Barkley changes stats. He doesn't change outcomes. Sam Darnold's changing outcomes. This is a ownership group in New York that now wants to blame O'Dell. Odell's the exact same guy pre-contract post-contract. So for one of the few times, I'm in O'Dell Beckham Jr.'s corner. I know you know him. What's your takeaway?

You're in New York in the mess which has developed. I wish I had you on the show today, Colin, when I was parroting Jenna Wolf and Chris Carter and Eric Mangini. Because I'm on man on an island on this one, but I agree with you entirely. I will actually take it a step further. This was not Odell's intention when he did the interview, but John Mara yesterday at those owners meetings deep down was glad O'Dell did that interview. Here's why.

Because if O'Dell hadn't said a mumbling word, then guess what? There's still one in five, and those questions are about his quarterback. Those questions are about his new GM's offseason plan, and those questions are about why the Giants, A team who did everything this offseason like they could win right now is the worst team in the NFL outside of maybe Gruden's Raiders. If I am ranking issues with the New York Giants, number one's the offensive line despite paying over market value for Nate Solder. Number two is Eli Manning. Number three is a defense that costs a lot of money.

That's bottom five in sacks and turnovers forced. Roughly number 14 is Odell doing an interview with a high out of his mind. Lil Wayne and Josina Anderson. Like, it's just, so it's a lot easier, though, to blame the kid with the yellow hair. And as the great Bill James once said, bad teams have a terrible history of blaming their best player for their problems. The Giants got a lot of major problems. Odell, headbutton, a fan ain't one of them, assuming the fan has the cover on it.

If not, that could have been a major disaster. So I'm going to throw this at you. Al Davis for a long time was a great owner. He was a league voice. He was a challenger. He was an agitator. People listened to Al Davis. He also played.

He was a hands-on guy. Everything I just said to you is Jerry Jones. But as Al Davis aged, the Raiders went through a decade of irrelevance. They were on an island playing a different sport. Is it possible, Jerry played, a voice of the league, challenged the league, very much a meddler, very much thinks he knows more football than he does. Is it possible old Jerry is becoming old Al that he doesn't want to be challenged by a coach? He doesn't want to change Jason Garrett.

He's overly loyal. Al was to former Raiders. Jerry is to now Jason Garrett. There's a rumor yesterday that Jason Garrett's going to get a contract extension. Is it possible here, Nick? that the Raiders and the Cowboys owner are becoming the same guy. What I think is definitely true, I think the Al Davis comparison is a very good one, but one I hadn't considered before you just said it to me,

so it hasn't fully kind of metastasized for me. But what I will tell you is this, the Dallas Cowboys head coach should be one of the top 10 jobs in sports, not jobs in the NFL, jobs in sports. You have unlimited resources. The owner will always spend, up to the cap. You're a bonus free agent destination because you're on TV more than anybody else. You're talked about more than anybody else. Top of the line facilities. The only reason it wouldn't be

where David Shaw leaves Stanford for, or it wouldn't be where Lincoln Riley leaves Oklahoma for, or it wouldn't be where Eric B. Enemy leaves Kansas City for is because any coach that takes that job knows, there's one staircase to my office, and there's a back stairwell to the owner's office, and that's the one people are taking. Like, if Jerry Jones wants his fourth Super Bowl ring, I would imagine he would have to go about it the way he got his first three, which was empowering Jimmy Johnson. I know he wasn't there for the third, but it was his team. Because ever since he got rid of Jimmy, he's never fully empowered a coach. And so now you have a guy in Jason Garrett, who has only two coaches in NFL history have coached his mini games with as little success as Jason

Garrett and he might get a contract extension, that seems insane to me. When the owner says he'd pay the net worth of Guam in order to win one, I don't get it. Okay, so last, I don't think the NBA was trying to do this. We all know that KD won the divorce over Westbrook. He's got a better team. He's got the rings. He has a better, I mean, he's not eating dinner at apple. Applebee's at Silicon Valley, new arena, better teammates.

He won the divorce. He dumped his, he dumped. Yeah, Russ only gets the kids on every fourth Saturday. He lost his job. I get it. I understand. He can't handle it on the side of the road. Last night.

He won an MVP, I think. Yeah, last night, the league didn't intend to be mean-spirited. But Westbrook had to watch the ring fitting for his ex who dumped him and upgraded. And I, it just, and by the way, they were chast. two minutes into the game. I think the Westbrook, KD. resentment's real. I think Westbrook will always hate him. Of course it's real. Because KD. represented himself as one thing. You to real MVP and Russ. I'm only crying because you're going to get one too while he was flirting with the girl across the street, Draymond Green, plotting his exit. Of course that's resentment.

Are you kidding me? And by the way, Colin, you know I love you. You. know I love you. you, I have a great father, but if I didn't, you would be like the father I never had. I love you. But I'm a hold your feet to the fire on this one. Yeah. Because in nine months, when Katie does to Steph, what he did to Russ, you're going to hold it against Steph? Or are you going to say it's different? When he leaves all this accoutrema of Golden State to go to New York, if that happens, you're going to hold it against Steph, or is it going to be different? Well, it's not. My guess is you're going to say it's different. No, he's not leaving. It's NBA writers having eight months to create stories, and there's no way he's going to elevate LeBron James Legacy because in the next seven

years he's going to win four more titles and he's going to be closer to LeBron than he's ever been, and he's not leaving that city, that state, that region, that arena, and those teammates. Well, well, then do me a favor. Joy Taylor, show Colin during the break, then you need to reach out to Kevin's brother, because Kevin's brother on Instagram, last night on Kevin's page after the post about the game said 81 more games till we're gone out here. So go, so I mean, 80 or he said 81 more games to fill it up before we leave. His brother, who he's close with and used to live with. I mean, you can, we can follow these breadcrumbs about whether or not Kevin Durant is permanent in Golden State. I'm following

them. And by the way, I wouldn't hold it against him. In fact, if Kevin Durant left Golden State, that'd be the first great thing for the end. NBA he's done in the last two years. He's done a lot of great things for Kevin Durant. Not too many great things for the league. It'd be great if he goes to New York. By the way, Kyrie could maybe join him, but that's another story. I'm just curious. Like, you can say Russ lost the divorce. Yes. Russ was loyal. Russ won an MVP. Russ got a hot new wife named Paul George, so he's fine. Like, I'm not going to jump in on you with this one, man. I'm just not. You're not going to get me. Okay, so I'm watching the, I picked the Celtics to win the title.

They're younger. I think they're deeper. They're healthier. The title? Oh, yeah. God, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's, I've already ordered my banner.

The Warriors going to win 75 games, man. They'll win 75 games. Okay, so anyway, the Sixers last night, I'm watching them. And for the next three years, Embed and Simmons are going to get clobbered by Boston. They're never going to win the East, and they're both superstars. And I'm going to make a prediction that M. Bid, who's much more playful, fun, personality-driven. Some would say the best player is going to get fed up with Markell Fultz and Simmons,

because he'll pass out and neither can shoot. And Simmons will start resenting Embed, who is more likable. Instagram, the media loves. Simmons is more reticent and quiet. And I don't think Embed and Simmons is going to last. I think they're going to get their butt handed to them for three years by the Celtics. And I watch them last night and I'm like, they're not built to beat Boston. And they're not going to, they're going to do a Shaq and Kobe without the titles.

don't think in beating Simmons last. Your takeaway has Boston clobbered him last night. Liz, Boston did clobbered him last night, despite Kyrie going two for 14. Markell Fultz being unplayable in the second half is a big problem. How thin Philadelphia is is a big problem. You've got Boston winning the title. I don't even have Boston winning the, I don't even have Boston winning the East this year. So I can't foresee a future where Boston and clobbers them for the next three years because by the end of the year, when Philly plays Boston,

while Boston will have the much deeper roster, Philly will have the best two players in the series, Embed and Simmons. Both those guys will be better than Kyrie, Tatum, or Hayward. In fact, both of those guys might already be better than Kyrie Tatum or Hayward. However, Boston's got the better coach, they got the deeper team. Your overall point that Embedddard and Simmons, there could be some friction, I think there is something

there. You said Shaq and Kobe. I think the more, the better example might be Shaq and Penny, two guys that we think it was just injury that derailed it, but that relationship was frayed before Penny's career was derailed due to injury. I think both Embed and Simmons have best player in the league caliber potential. Yeah. How are they going to mesh? That I think is a real question. I think Phillies right, right now, their biggest issue is they don't have enough shooting and they don't have enough depth, even though they have two of the best players in the league and Embedon Simmons. First things first, Nick, right?

Good talking to you. We disagree on virtually everything, but that was fun, Nick. And we now are on the same Odell Beckham side, which we can rejoice in that. Thanks, buddy. Yeah, did I have to come over to your side for that, or did you join the correct side? I think I have briefly joined your side, briefly joined your side. Talk to you later, man. Nick Wright.

Good stuff. Coming up next, the NFL. Had to release something yesterday as a press release, and I think it's ridiculous, and I wish they'd stop doing it. And I'm going to double down on something I said. I love the NFL, but they keep releasing statements on something, and I think they should stop, and I don't think anybody wants it, and that's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. borrow up to 40 grand to payoff credit cards lending club.com slash sports lending club.com slash sports so Troy Vincent used to play in the NFL he's now an executive of vice president

and he was talking about that Kansas City Chiefs New England Patriot play Sunday in which Breland speaks a player a rookie for Kansas City had Tom Brady in the grasp and you know he didn't want to get penalized so he let him go and Tom then runs into the end zone. Well, Troy Vincent's not being the most forthcoming. He said, well, I looked at the video. Tom moved up. Guy missed a tackle. He missed an opportunity to make a sack. Well, come on, Troy. We know what happened here. Breeland speaks. Thought he was going to get penalized, thought Tom had thrown the ball. There's no reason to be disingenuous here. I don't know Troy Vincent, but he knows the truth. The truth is the young player did think Tom had thrown it and didn't want to get flag for a sack. And you know what?

let me double down. I'm totally okay with it. I want my quarterback standing and uninjured. I don't need updates on Breeland Speaks. I don't need updates on Clay Matthews. Clay Matthews, not interested. Breeland speaks, no speaking. I like the league. By the way, the NFL consumer, you the consumer, are happy with a new rule. You know how I can tell? Because people say a lot of things. I don't watch porn. It's funny. It made $9 billion. The ratings are up huge. Monday night football up 39%. Sunday night football.

Fox, CBS, up, up, up, up, up. You like the new rule. You don't think you like it, but you do. Because quarterbacks are all standing and nobody's hurt six weeks in outside of Garapolo. And that makes the league better. I listen to data and I look at research and I look at numbers. People tell me things all the time. I don't care.

Show me the data. I don't care how the sausage was made. And the data says the ratings are up around the league. Monday night football ratings were up. I think I saw yesterday, 39%. Can you imagine if Jimmy Garoppolo would have played? It had been 50%. The ratings are through the roof.

By the way, NFL, just admit it. We're protecting quarterbacks here. We get better ratings. We're protecting quarterbacks. Just admit it. Defensive line, everybody else in this league has to change. Everybody else has to deal with new rules. Quarterbacks have to deal with new rules.

Receivers do. Coaches do. coordinators do, offensive linemen do. Every year there's new rules. No sport changes rules like football. I mean, Joy, your brother played in the NFL. Now we're asking defensive linemen, oh my God, they've got to adapt to a new rule too. Well, I even asked him what he thinks about the new rule yet.

I can't speculate if he likes it or not. But Jason was known for strip sacks and forcing fumbles. So I don't, I personally, having watched him played, wouldn't think that he would have much trouble with. this because that was what he was aiming to do anyway. And to be honest with you, I would rather you strip the ball than get a sack. By the way, wouldn't you rather have a change of possession? The objective has not changed. The objective for defensive linemen, who, oh my God, have to now adapt to a new rule. Quarterbacks, refs have to adapt constantly, coaches, coordinators, backs, corners, receivers, left tackles, right tackles. Oh my God, a defensive

lineman has to adapt to a rule change. The number one priority is, still the same, get to the quarterback. But now the NFL and fishermen have dealt with this for eons. It's a catch and release league. That if you go fishing, I grew up in a fishing community. Westport, Washington on the coast, salmon fishing, that after you caught your limit, let's say you caught your limit by 9.30 in the morning and you still wanted to fish, you would catch a fish and release. In the NFL, defensive lineman, you catch and release. You get him, you grab him, you don't drive him down. Everybody in this sport is dealing with constant fluctuations of fluid rules.

Baseball looks the same as it did 100 years ago. Basketball has had, you know, they took away the hand check. Years and years and years and years ago, they expanded the lane or shrunk the league or did something when Kareem came in or Wilk came in or something. But, I mean, good God, folks. The catch rule change, the new helmet rule. It's just a rule. Priority remains the same.

It's like when you go to the airport, okay, got to take the shoes off and a belt off. You still have to go through security anyway. You still got to get to the quarterback anyway. It's a catch and release league. And the audience is people say a lot of things. I work out every day. This year is new. I eat healthy.

And then you're like, no, not really. You just had a cheeseburger for lunch. And you didn't work out for the third straight day. People yap, yap, yap, yap, talk. Watch what they do. What the audience is doing in America is watching the NFL more. And they're watching it because the quarterback play. is amazing. The quarterbacks aren't getting hurt. The passing touchdowns are through the roof.

The games are much more exciting. 40-38 shootouts. And it's just more fun to watch. You win as a fantasy football fan. You win as a consumer. Your eyes win. Your emotion wins. Hopefully your team wins. I mean, I feel for defensive players, like if you're in the middle of the air, having to change the direction of your body is difficult. I understand it. And I don't like overly penalized games either. But it's, this is the rule. You got to deal with it. And points are up. Viewing is up.

You know what it's similar to when the NBA shifted to shoot more three-pointers? Yeah. Right? There's more scoring. Yes. And by the way, it hurt the power forward, but the power forwards, Boogie Cousins is a center, said, I got to shoot threes. And Anthony Davis, I got to shoot threes. Brooke Lopez, I got to shoot threes.

That rule, the three-point shot to Joy's point was not good for bigs. I mean, Dirk Novitsky loved it. Kevin Durant was fine. but a lot of 6'11 guys were always told their entire life, don't shoot jumpers. Sure. And all of a sudden it was like, oh, crap, you can't even get on the court. They're not telling NFL defensive linemen not to play. Your priority is still the exact same thing.

Just catch and release. It's not that big of a deal. Pros in the know. Start with Lowe's. 5% discount on eligible purchases right now with the Lowe's business credit account. C Store for Details, U.S. only, 5% savings in store and on. line lows. Stephen Jackson, Joel Clatt, Jason Whitlock, Tom Verducci, hour two around the corner. Just starting here. Just starting here. It's the herd. Hour two, this is the herd. Wherever you may be

and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, wherever you may be listening. Joy Taylor is joining me. We are packed this hour. This is such a great time of the year for sports. last night I get to watch opening night of the NBA and then I got to watch the baseball playoffs, Dodgers Milwaukee. After our show today, it's Milwaukee and the Dodgers, Clayton Kershaw, biggest game of the year in baseball. And then tomorrow night I get Josh Rosen the rookie against that pass rush, Denver at home. I want to watch Josh Rosen by himself, stand alone,

and LeBron and the Lakers open up. So this month, mid to late October, is absurd. The sport, we've got a huge. college football this weekend. I want to start with this, though, is that there's dynasties all over sport. Alabama's a football dynasty. UConn Women Basketball. Serena's a dynasty. Federer's been a dynasty. There's New England Patriots are a dynasty. You don't have to win every year to be a dynasty. We've got a lot of dynasties in sports right now. The Golden State Warriors are a dynasty. If I said to you, what's the next dynasty? Nobody really knows, except me. The next dynasty is the

Boston Celtics. They are going to win four of the next six. for the next seven NBA championships. Golden State is going to be favored this year and next. But last night, Boston rolled the second best team, certainly the team with two stars, the Philadelphia 76ers. And this was indicative of the night for the Celtics and Sixers. Spectacular, people.

M.B goes up with both hands. And Brown finds a way to get this to go in. The disrespect by Jalen Brown on Joel N.B. By the way, Boston sports fans get the current dynasty, the next dynasty, and the Red Sox are pretty good, too. What a time to be a Boston sports fan. It's absolutely amazing. This Boston roster, I picked them to win the championship. I think they're going to fly through the east. I think their number one rival is going to be Toronto for a year with Kauai Leonard. Then he'll bolt. Then it's Philadelphia, and it's not much of a rivalry.

In fact, when it was over, Joel M. Bid said last night, this is not a rivalry. I don't know how. It's pretty bad. They always kick our ass. It's not a rivalry. That's what Joel Ambide said. The best player arguably on the other team. They got the best coach, does Boston. They have a great roster. They have a roster of high IQ smart guys.

Tatum, Kyrie, World is Flatty, was just joking. Al Horford, Gordon Haywood, Jason Tatum. They have the best GM. They've got the best coach where every player plays his best. Phil Jackson. I used to say this about Phil Jackson. Whether you liked him or not, every player played their best under Phil. Every single player plays their best under Brad Stevens.

Avery Bradley's amazing leaves not so good. This team is going to rule this league for most of the next decade, barring an injury. And Kyrie's had a few, and Gordon Hayward's had one. They'll eventually replace Al Horford. But this is almost a perfect basketball team. I mean, they can shoot. They play defense. They've got defensive guys like Marcus Smart.

They've got coachable guys. They've got role players. They've got veterans. They've got a star. They've got a championship-winning guy in Kyrie. They've got the next star in Jason Tatum. And I'm going to tell you something when I watch Philadelphia. I love Ben Simmons.

I have him as a top 10 player in the league. Absolutely love him. But I don't think Ben Simmons and M. Beat are going to work long-term. I don't. Keep your eye on that relationship. This team is totally flawed. It's got two stars and nothing else. First of all, Markell Fultz is a bust.

He's a shooter who can't shoot, a score who can't score. On the floor for 25 minutes, you can't play him late. He's a bust. He's a bust. and by the way, the Sixers moved up to get him. So there's animosity within that locker room that they could have Tatum, instead they have Markle Fultz. Jason Tatum could be a Sixer. Now he goes against their rival and he's going to whack him for the next three or four years.

Here's the other problem is that M.B., Joel Ambit is incredibly likable and the media loves him because he's always playful with the media. He's going to be the media's favorite player. And Mb. B. Digo's going to grow. and I love him, but he's going to get tired of Simmons and Fultz because he'll either dunk it or if he passes outside, neither one of them can shoot. He'll get frustrated with them. Ben Simmons is too darn good to sit in Philadelphia for the rest of his career

and lose to Boston and watch a dynasty. He needs to be part of one. So Simmons is going to get frustrated because Embedd's going to get all the good press and he's going to get frustrated because he's going to make great passes to Markell Fultz and he can never hit a shot. And Simmons is going to grow tired of Ambide getting all the love from the media. And this puppy ain't going to work. and the process, they just whiffed on too many guys.

And Fultz is a bust. And they butcher the Tatum thing. And I'm watching Philadelphia, and they have two great players, but they don't have enough shooters. And you keep your eye on Simmons, who I love, and Embedd, who I really like. I don't think it's going to work long term. And they'll win a lot of games.

They're going to beat a lot of teams. They're going to beat Milwaukee and Washington. They're going to win 50 games this year. That Boston thing's a nightmare for them. And it's going to eventually unravel Simmons and Embedde who are going to grow to hate each other. that thing is begging for animosity. Embedd's got the ball.

He passes to Simmons and Fultz. They can't shoot. Simmons passes to Markell. Can't shoot. And every time he passes to Embed, he scores and the media loves him more. And he's a more reticent personality. He's a little condescending. He's a little too cool.

So the media is not going to embrace Simmons. He'll never be as big. He's more private than Ambid who's more social. Man, Boston's going to be good. Oh, that is the next dynasty in sports. All right. So, for a long time, people may forget this. You millennials.

By the way, Goulet, are you a millennial? I think technically age-wise I am, but I am definitely not. So here's what a lot of millennials don't know. For a long time, the Raiders were the Dallas Cowboys. They were the talk of the league. And they were led by an owner named Al Davis. Al Davis was outspoken. He played the game.

He actually knew football. He went to practice. He sat in on film. And Al Davis was the challenger to NFL protocol forever. And then Al Davis got really old and crotchety. And synapses didn't quite fire. And in the end, there was about 10 years where the Raiders were the worst run team in American sports. There was a story yesterday that Jerry Jones denied a report.

there's an extension in the offing for Jason Garrett. Jerry Jones said, I don't know where that information's coming from. I've never spoken to another soul about that as far as I'm concerned. But here's, if you're a cowboy fan, what you may worry about. Jerry's 76. He's not interested in starting over. And Al Davis and Jerry Jones are very similar people. They are very similar people.

They both played. They're both hands-on. They're fiercely independent. They had Super Bowl success early as owners. They are movers and shakers among billionaires. They both challenged the NFL power structure. Their voices carried tremendous weight. They were league agitators and they were grooming a son to take over.

And then all of a sudden the Raiders, Al got older, became overly loyal to certain people, former Raiders, and they were a mess for 12 years. And they've never truly recovered. And in that 12 years, they were a shadow of themselves. They underachieved. They were an eroding brand. You just forget how big the Raiders were. The Raiders were the rebel of the NFL.

They were the most talked about team. Steelers won more titles. Raiders were cooler, tougher, more bad, blank. They were a huge brand. Twelve years later, they weren't. Laughingstock. And when I look at the Cowboys, I look at Jerry, and Jerry's starting to get loyal. Man, be careful about that loyalty thing.

Be careful. Be careful about thinking you have the number one brand forever. Al Davis and Jerry are very, very similar guys. Personality's played, hands-on. Actually are some of the fewest owners that know the game a little bit. Mavericks, challengers, agitators, fiercely independent. Jason Garrett, nice guy, look around the league. I don't know.

I do not know. Coming up, Vegas rarely makes mistakes. Man, do I think they've made one. They are overvaluing a team to an absurd level. Stephen Jackson, Joel Clatt, Jason Whitlock, Tom Berducci, still two hours to go. The MLB postseason continues in just a few hours with a crucial game five of the NLCS. Mani Machado and the Dodgers look to build on the momentum after the last. last night's epic 13 inning win.

As they take on Christian Yelich and the Brewers, coverage begins at 4 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. By the way, the Brewers, Craig Counsel, the manager, challenged a couple times last night. Josh Hayter's out there. Dodgers got a couple hits off him. Not sure if he's going to be available tonight. When those baseball managers do all these challenges,

do they ever think about this? There's a pitcher on the mound who's got a rhythm. Like if you were a quarterback and had to sit around constantly sitting around watching and there were challenges and if I'm a baseball pitcher, I want to keep throwing. If I'm throwing strikes, I want to start, stop, start, stop. God, too many move, too many challenges.

Let's go, get the game going. All right, let's bring him on Stephen Jackson, NBA player, second round guy who had 14 great NBA seasons, a champ. Okay, so let me start with this. You just got off the phone with Jimmy Butler, I'm told. Okay, this is breaking, could be news travels fast. News travels fast. So Jimmy Butler, who I think I like, but is a little bit of a headcase.

I told a couple years ago he went to the Olympics with the NBA players, and I was told by somebody who I trust implicitly that everybody got along great, and Jimmy was kind of an odd fit. And Jimmy did not have the worst shooting percentage. I like him as a guy. I've had him on the couch, but I think sometimes Jimmy wants to be the man more than among great men, which I think wins titles. What did he say on the phone?

Well, I mean, there's nothing new. He just wants to win. I mean, I called him. My car was to ask him how he doing that because I always talk to him. He's like a little brother. And, you know, I'm actually the one. told the one that told him to go practice that initial practice in Minnesota. But he just want to win.

You know, his whole focus is want to win. He don't want to go out there and give 110% and everybody else is not doing the same thing. And I understand that. By the way, if you want to win, then you play with better players. Carl Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins are a lot better than who Brooklyn has. He tells you me, if you want to win, why you'll leave in Minnesota? Well, it's a lot to it. You know, it's tough been in a situation where, like I said, you're giving you all.

and we all get paid millions of dollars to play a game and you're not doing it. Like I had a lot of, I had that problem with a lot of players in my league and when I played in the league, but I addressed it. It wouldn't have never got to the media. I pulled them aside. I addressed it face to face. And it's hard to do that with young guys this year because they're so sensitive. You know, they can't take constructive criticism and everything, they get real offensive

with everything you say. Even on the show, when we talk about the guys, they get so offensive. And Jimmy understands that. Jimmy's come from the old cloth. You know, you got to think Jimmy was raised homeless. So he has a different type of passion for life and for the game. And a lot of people don't understand that, especially if you haven't struggled and then grow up in a struggle.

Jimmy is one of those guys. It's hard for you to understand. Yeah, well, you grew up in a tougher life. You were a guy that felt you had to work for every nickel you made in that league and every point you got and every rebound you got. So Jimmy similarly, but here's the thing. In the NBA, it's just like I've always felt this in life. When I'm kind of intense, just my DNA, I don't sleep a lot.

But I know that a lot of people I work with don't care as much as I care and aren't as intense, but I still need to work with really good people. Like if you're Jimmy Butler, stop worrying about how hard everybody's playing. Get your buckets, play your butt off, win games. You can't control every teammate you have, can you? No, you can't do that. And the best attitude to have is only worry about what you can't control. That's the right.

That's the great attitude to have. But at the end of the day, you need four other people to win basketball games. And if you don't care as much as I care, it's going to, it's kind of, it's kind of, hard to get the job done. By the way, so I'm watching Ben Simmons and Embed and I'm watching the Celtics. I believe we got a bunch of dynasties in sports. Serena Williams is a dynasty.

Roger Federer. Dynasty. Yukon women's basketball is a dynasty. Alabama football is a dynasty. The Patriots are a dynasty. The Warriors are a dynasty. I think the Celtics are the next dynasty. Coach, GM, score, shooters, wings, big. I think Ben Simmons and Joel Embed are talented and they're going to get their butt

kick for the next four years on their deals with Boston. I don't think they match up at all with Boston. I don't think so either. They need another player. I mean, Boston- They need shooters. Boston has nine guys that can start on any NBA team. Except the Warriors.

Even the Warriors. You got guys, you know, Taitam, Brown, Hartford, Kyrie. They can start anywhere in NBA, anywhere in NBA, on any team. Joel M. Bede and Ben Simmons are great. They have no shot to roll with this team. You can't get rid of guys like Marco Bellinelli and are you shooting and expect, you know, you'd have a better year than last year. These guys are two of the most talented guys in the league, but team-wise, they don't have a good team.

I totally agree. They're going to win a bunch of games because there's, you know, the bottom third of the NBA is garbage. And Bid and Simmons, it's hot garbage. So they'll run through a lot of teams on a Tuesday night in, you know, wherever, Orlando. I don't think they match up at all. Okay. So there's, Amani Machado did something last night. So I am a believer.

I support Dennis Rodman. Stephen Jackson. I know you do. You're my guy. I like agitators. By the way, Tiger Woods, Muhammad Ali, Connor McGregor, Tiger Woods would put out

and he wouldn't watch you. He would go to the next hole because his gallery would follow him and disrupt the next golfer. Tiger was a troll. I never knew that. Okay. Bottom line,

I'm watching Manny Machado with the Dodgers last night. He obviously did this watch. He did this on purpose. Go ahead, roll the tape. Now the 3-1 pitch, left side hit hard right at Arcea. Two out. Aguilar and Machado got tangled up at the bag. I think Aguilar has good reason to be upset here.

The more I look at that replay of Machado, it really doesn't come off looking like an accident. Ir regardless of whether it was an accident or it wasn't. It's never a good look and you never want to be talking about that after the game. I don't know if that's true. Stephen, that was, that's called trolling. That's Draymond Green. That's Rondo. That's Richard Sherman.

That's Josh Norman. Nobody got hurt there. That's not trolling. That's Jalen Rose sticking his foot under Kobe, under shot trying to hurt you on purpose. Oh, that's dirty. It's not, it's not. You were never dirty.

It's different. You were never dirty. No. Oh, Stephen. I wasn't dirty. A hard file is not dirty. Especially when they just get. get two free throws. That's just a hard file. You fouled harder than most. Yes, I did. I was real

physical, but that was just dirty. He was clearly out. The guy's leg had, he had no reason to touch the guy. You never once in your career thought, I'm getting in this guy's head. I'm getting in this guy's head. Not by being dirty, though. Well, what do you call hard fouls? A hard foul is a part of the game, because you just get two free throws. If it's a dirty file, it's a technical, two shots and the ball. That's a dirty file. But a hard file with just two free throws, that's a That's just basketball. That's how it's played. I like agitators.

I'm an agitator, but I'm not dirty. All right. Jaylon Rose is dirty. He stuck his foot under Kobe and tried to take him out. That's dirty. Finally, Kevin Durant last season in Golden State. Those are the rumors. I don't buy it.

They have a new arena next year. There's no way in the world Durant is going to elevate LeBron's career and extend it for five more titles. The first eight, nine years in the league, when Durant and LeBron were on the same league. LeBron won all those years. The next eight or seven, Kevin Durant can win all of them. Why in God's name would I leave the best arena, coach, staff, club, owner, and elevate LeBron with titles because he's not going to a crappy team.

Kevin Durant's been on a team that can't win. If he's going anywhere, it would be like with LeBron because that's the only place you'd guarantee a title. He, LeBron, Brandon Ingram. I don't buy he's leaving. You think he's leaving? I say no. I say no for the simple fact that every year somebody has taken a pay cut or somebody's figured it out.

That team has figured it out to keep these guys together so far. It's going to be interesting. I think if anybody leaves, it's going to be either Draymond or Clay. It won't be K-D. I think Drayman could leave. Yeah, but I think it's going to be one of them two, him or Clay. But you lose Clay. He's one of the best shooters, but you still got a championship team.

You can put somebody in and come in and come in to just defend. Finn. You know, you still got scores with Steph and KD. So I don't think Katie leaves. I think he stays. I think he likes where he at. And I don't, for sure, I don't see him joining LeBron and making LeBron better for sure. I think he wants to compete and continue to be in the conversation

for the best in the league. So you talk to Jimmy Butler. If I said to you, Jimmy Butler, one month, where is he at? I say Minnesota, because they're asking for so much on purpose to force him to stay there. That's what I think they do. That's what I would do. I'm not trading Jimmy Butler. That's what that's what Pop wanted to do with Kauai,

but it got too much, and he forced to trade. So players can force the trade. I just hope it don't get to, it don't go to that extent. All right, good seeing you, bud. Thanks for having me. Stephen Jackson, NBA champ, co-captain of the Killer 3s. No, I'm captain now. Oh, who'd you boot out? Chonisksis not playing, so I'm captain now. Hard foul, get him off that team?

Is me and Ron a test? We've got to get another captain. You down? No, I got a bad whooping cough. I can't play this week. Stephen Jackson. Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So we have good news and bad news, Colin. The good news is Josh Allen will not require surgery to repair his sprained elbow.

That's great. That is great news for Buffalo. He does not need surgery. He will still miss two or three games, which leaves the bill's options very grim. Of the 15 drives, Nathan Peterman or Perlin, as you so like to call him, has led this season 10 have resulted in a punt or turnover. Yeah, I think the Colts host them this week. Andrew Luck's going to get real healthy.

Well, the bills have announced this morning that Derek Anderson will be their starting quarterback against the Colts. He's still in the league? Not that recently, no. He's started in four games in seven years. He started two in 2014 and two in 2000. Vegas can't have that lineup. Does Vegas have that lineup?

Indie's going to win by 40. Derek Anderson. Wow. Fills can't get right. But it is good news that Josh Allen doesn't need surgery, though. So next, if you end up Eli Manning is rapidly losing faith, or the fan base is losing faith in him. He still has the support of Giants' co-owner, John Mara.

We still believe in him, but, you know, everybody needs to do their jobs in order for us to be successful. And right now, that's not happening. I know he's the punching bag right now, but a lot of guys need to play better when you're one in five. You know, John Marr had a lot to say yesterday about a lot of things. You know, listen to this. So an NFL executive, a big shot texted me.

And he said, listen, you're killing the Giants. He said, but the Giants may very well have not been able to get Darnold. But they want Justin Herbert from Oregon. And if you look around the league right now, the Raiders have a quarterback. The Giants, the Dallas is too talented. Dallas is not going four. and 12. The Giants look like they're going four and 12. I'm telling you, the giants are going to be the only bad team in the league that need a quarterback because Buffalo, Cleveland. The Giants may

have whiffed on Darnold. They may get lucky here because Dallas, again, Dallas is too good defensively in the front seven, plus Zeeke, plus the old. Dallas is going to win seven games, seven or eight games, maybe nine, probably seven or eight. Giants may get lucky on this. They whiffed on Arnold, I guarantee you this, though, they will not pass on a quarterback next draft. No way. And look, we're not tough on people. We speak the truth. The Giants are not good. What are we supposed to say? And if you're talking about Eli is your guy and it's not just Eli, like, Eli does have quite a bit of talent around him. At one point or another, you kind of got to make something happen. I'm not saying be Tom Brady, but I mean, you got to make something happen. I mean, you got to

make something happen. Finally, Kevin Durant, free agency rumors have been popping out of the woodworks for a while now. And Durant is one of the two best players in the universe, and his impending free agency will alter the course of the NBA for the next five to seven seasons. And last night, he got his second ring

with the Warriors and posted a little Instagram post, one down, 81 more, what a night. And if you just slide in the comments a little bit further down, Nick Wright mentioned this earlier, that is Kevin Durant's brother saying, yes, sir, brother, fill in the hand up before we get out of here.

What do you guys make it? Marcus Vic used to talk for Michael Vic. It didn't mean anything. I make a bit that one, NBA free agency is the greatest thing in sports because there's just breadcrumbs and chaos and we just scour the internet for clues. And we really don't know anything. And even sometimes when we think we know LeBron makes a decision as he gets on an airplane. When LeBron went to Miami and Cleveland, both times, we knew nothing. When Durant went to Golden State, we knew nothing.

We were shocked with Chris Paul to Houston. The truth is about all this stuff is generally speaking, outside of Mello saying, I'm going to go play in New York. For stars in their prime, we have no idea where they're going. No, we have no idea. And I don't even think that they know either. Like, Durant is not thinking about where he's going to go in free agency right now. The season just started.

I'm pretty sure he's focused on winning another ring and what's going on. in the NBA currently. We are all concerned about it because it's so fun to talk about, but it's just sewing circle stuff. It's not actual reality. Like LeBron made these decisions in an hour, like he's driving in a car with his wife, and we've been covering it for months.

It's just, I don't make anything of it. I don't think that Duran has told his brother that he's leaving after this season. A million things could change. Colin, what about, remember, they're leaving Oakland after the season for San Francisco. So maybe he just meant before we leave Oakland. Yeah, that's a good point there. Yeah. I think, yeah. I think that's closer to the truth than you and me, brother, getting out of here.

I just, I don't know. I just don't think he told his brother that he's leaving. All right, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. So Vegas gets most stuff right. They release their Super Bowl odds, and I overwhelmingly agree with their list of teams. Rams number one, Patriots, Chief, Saints, Vikings, Chargers.

They got the Eagles, Pittsburgh up there. Two teams I don't buy, the Jaguars and the Packers, Odd Shark, released these folks. I'm not sure Green Bay is a playoff team, and I don't think they're winning their division. I think Vegas made a mistake here. Green Bay has a buy. Starting October 28th, which is 10 days from now, 11 days from now,

the Green Bay Packers go to the L.A. Rams, to the New England Patriots. home for Miami, two Seattle, that's playing well, to Minnesota. They could go one in four, and five in those games. By the way, Green Bay has gotten a tremendous break this year. They're three, two, and one. But their schedule has been one of the most fortunate in the league. So they open up with Mitch Trubisky in his first game with Matt Nagy,

the offensive coordinator at home. And Khalil Mack, for the record, was on a snap count. then they get Minnesota Kirk Cousins at home. Then they get a rookie quarterback Buffalo at home. And then they just got San Francisco without Jimmy Garoppolo at home. So defensively, they're seventh in the NFL. Those stats are wildly, wildly skewed rookie quarterback. No Jimmy Garapolo.

Tribisky's first game. Folks, Minnesota's defensive stats aren't as good, but they had to face the L.A. Rams on a short week. Philadelphia. They faced really, really good offenses. If you look at the playoff picture right now in the NFC, there are, let's see, one, two, three, four. There's 16 NFC teams. I, and there's six playoff spots. I think there's about 10 teams and the Packers are in the running. There's 10 teams in the NFC that to me still have a shot at the playoffs. Now all of them,

do, but the Giants, the lions, the Bucks, San Francisco and Arizona are not playoff teams. It's Rams, Saints, Redskins, Bears, Panthers, Packers, Vikings, Eagles, Seahawks, Cowboys. You start looking around, you look at personnel and you look at schedule, Green Bay does not stack up. Green Bay's schedule, starting October 28th, is the league's hardest for a month and a half. they've been given an absolute break. Rookie quarterback, C.J. Bethard, Trebisky with Matt Nagy. Their schedule is brutal. And they haven't won a road game at all this year anyway.

So good teams travel well. Kansas City went on the road. They still look good. Baltimore, home and away looks like a good team. Green Bay didn't look very good away from Lambeau Field. And they don't look great at Lambeau Field. So I think Vegas made the rare mistake there. Also, I want to throw this out at you.

There is a rumor regarding LeBron James. Here is, according to the ringer, Kevin O'Connor, who's excellent. According to Kevin O'Connor at the ringer, that's Bill Simmons Project. There are, quote, whispers around the NBA that Jimmy Butler and Kauai Leonard don't want a team with LeBron. Okay. Jimmy Butler is a little bit of a headcase. Paul George has never hit a big shot in his career. and Kauai Leonard, talented but weird.

Let me make two points here. Number one, Anthony Davis, better than all those players, has signed with clutch sports. That's LeBron's number one target. Number two, if Brandon Ingram, the best current Laker before LeBron, pops again this year, and I think he will,

He came into the NBA as a skinny kid with one year of college. And he averages 23 a game. Guess what, folks. They don't need Jimmy Butler, Paul, George, and Kauai Leonard. Give this time. Give it time. You just, if Brandon Ingram, LeBron's the best player in the world. If Brandon Ingram is what my sources and what I saw in preseason will become,

which is a 23-point-of-game guy, LeBron's got his running, made it forward. you're not going to need another one. They're fine at forward. LeBron's a forward. Ingram's a forward. Kuzma's a forward. They're good at forward. They don't need Paul.

They don't need Butler. They don't need Kauai Leonard. They don't need that laugh in the locker room. It's very unsettling. Anthony Davis is their number one target. Joel Clats around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m.

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Joe Clatt. Former quarterback set Colorado passing records, by the way, when he was there, but the ball travels in that altitude. That's right. It was the altitude. It was the altitude. What's on, man? Hey, first of all, hey, everybody. buddy, Jim Harbaugh can coach. Yeah, how about it?

Look at everyone back on the bandwagon for Jim Harbaugh. Listen, their offensive line was a mess, not anymore. You have the game of the week. Yeah, I can't wait. Michigan, Michigan State is the game of the week in college football, and I'm looking at them. I got to tell you, Joel, I think they roll until Ohio State.

Okay, so I just saw Ohio State last week against Minnesota, and I've seen Michigan, even in a game in which they've, didn't play well. They were down 17, nothing to Northwestern before they came back in one. From what I've both seen on tape evaluating both teams and what I saw live, my new favorite to win the conference is Michigan. Ohio State had so many holes. I mean, bad ones. The big plays that are giving up. Ohio State's given up 22 plays of 30 or more yards. That's sixth worst in college football. Their offensive line was atrocious last week. And Michigan just had, I would say a top two, three team

performance of any team in college football last week. Last week against Wisconsin, they were unbelievable. College fans are brutal. In the NFL, we all understand. Eagles off to a rough start, Patriots off to a rough start, Steelers off to a rough September. But we own in the NFL, well, September doesn't really count. In college, if you have a bad opening game, fans give up on you.

Clemson won a national title two years ago. They called me a fraud. The coach yelled at me. They were awful in October. They were a mess in October. Michigan, you got to, first of all, Notre Dame is pretty good. It was the first game for that quarterback. Yep.

Michigan is good. They're really good. And that game was really about the first quarter. And Notre Dame people hate to. And listen, I'm not taking a shot of Notre Dame. I love Notre Dame. I think you're going undefeating and going to the playoff. I really like Notre Dame a lot.

Michigan, you could argue, and trust me, I studied the tape, was the better team for three quarters. It was the two big plays early in the first quarter. And then all of a sudden, you know, the quarterbacks behind the eight ball. Michigan is a really good team. They had two holes that they needed to fix from last year. Offensive line and quarterback, they're getting great play from both. Just to give you a stat to back that up. Last year, the offensive line was given up right around three sacks per game.

Do you know that's down to one and a half? So they've cut that in half. And Shay Patterson, his ability to convert with his feet on both quarterback design runs as well as when the pocket breaks down and he can get loose, namely like against Northwestern in a game that I did, those conversions are huge. Keep his team on the field. They're not throwing the ball at some sort of dynamic clip like Dwayne Haskins is,

but they run it well. They use their tight ends well. Their special teams are really good outside of a couple of miss field goals last week. Michigan's for real. Michigan's for real. And they go to Michigan State. Joel Klatz's doing the game. It is here on Fox.

Okay. So it's funny about this. We are just now used to college basketball players leaving after their freshman year. Yeah. We're used to it. It is what it is. We're like, hey, thanks Marvin Bagley, for giving us a year of your time. Right.

You kind of celebrate. landed Marvin Begley. We land Ben Simmons. You get a year and it's okay. We're not used to that with football players. But Nick Bosa is a great player. You don't have to marry everybody a date. Ohio State benefited. Nick Bosa benefited. And now he got hurt and he said, you know what? I'm going to leave early. I'm probably only going to play. I'm not maybe be healthy for Michigan, but I'm not healthy. And people are coming unglued. Folks, basketball players give us a year and we're okay with it. Well, there's a lot of factors at play here. So first and foremost. So Nick Bosa's leaving early to the NFL. He's probably going to be the number two pick behind Justin Herbert quarterback at Oregon.

Depending on need. I mean, he could be, I think he's the best overall player on a big board, but he's probably going to be in the top three picks based on need and quarterback need and so on and so forth. I just want to bring this to everyone's attention. Not every injury is the same. Okay. When you're talking about an abdomen injury, there's a lot of uncertainty around that about when you can test out. This is not a broken hand where you're just like, no, give it time.

and once it's healed, it's good to go and I'm ready to rock. This is a very different injury. Therefore, a guy that's going to be guaranteed upwards of $30 to $35 million in his rookie contract, why in the world would you put that at risk? Come on, you're a quitter, man. See, I disagree because he was arbitrarily held into school this last year. He was good enough to be a top three pick last year. So these archaic rules that keep him in college football for no reason whatsoever,

other than the fact that the collective bargaining agreement, which Bosa had no say in bargaining for, right? It's the Players Association, which the veterans are going to want to keep young players out anyways, and the owners, they have no say in this. So this is an arbitrary rule that keeps him in college football. He's got a totally uncertain abdomen injury. Guess who also understands this? Urban Meyer, wished him well, said thank you for being here. You're a great Buckeye, and I would second that.

He is a great Buckeye and will always be a great Buckeye. and this is the decision that he should make. Why do we fault these kids for making decisions that enhance their own future? By the way, if LeBron was a Buckeye for a year, you would thank him for giving you a year. Sure. If you were a bucky and LeBron came for a year, because I think he probably would have gone to Ohio State. He committed to Ohio State, but this was before one undone. So LeBron goes to Thad Mata at the time, wins a title, leaves.

You would never let him buy dinner in Columbus for the rest of his life. Carmelo Anthony and Syracuse. Same exact example. Went to Syracuse, won a title, and now he's a legend there, as he should be. Nick Bose has been in your weight room for the last two and a half, three years, and because he's hurt and doesn't want to risk it, you're crushing him. Folks, come on. Everybody out there, everybody would make this same decision.

Of course. Do not tell me otherwise. And I will, let's also get to another point of this whole discussion. This is not an epidemic in college football. this applies to like four guys a year. First round guys who are hurt and don't want to risk a crappy bowl game. Not only first round guys, but guys that cannot enhance their draft stock. Bosa's draft stock is done, man.

He's in. He's signed, sealed, delivered. Everybody else, if there's a question, like, well, I might be a top 20 pick, but I could get into the top 10 he'd probably play. Yes. Right? This applies to such a small number of players. Christian McCaffrey, Nick Bosa.

So I don't want to read any more articles about some. epidemic in college football. Hey, Sammy, Sam, my producer, what did you yell on my ear? Yeah, Leonard Fernette's another guy. By the way, that guy's never healthy in the pros. All right, so you played minor league baseball. I did. I broadcast minor league baseball. I am, I was a terrific broadcaster. So, by the way, I left the sport because of an abdomen injury, just like you were saying. That's an uncertain injury, call him. I get it. Went to television. Okay. So Mani Machado did something last night. Baseball people are freaking out. This is so Lambier,

so Rodman, so Richard Sherman, this is so Josh Norman, agitators, Ali, Connor, Tiger, it's trolling. Mani Machado, nobody got hurt here. He dragged his foot as a pro athlete. So Aguilar is the first basement, right? Here's my sense as just

a baseball player. This is what you get when you legislate self-governance out of the game. Do you follow me on that? It used to be in the past, you know, the best two sports about self-governance or hockey and baseball, you do something I don't like? You get whacked. Bang, here we go.

Now they've legislated that out of the game. You can't slide unless you can touch the base. You can't slide hard. You can't do this hard. You can't throw inside. This is what you get. You get dirtier play when you legislate self-governance out of the game. The game, not to be an old stodgy, I'm 36.

The game used to be better. Listen, I can defend it. both guys here. If I'm Agiar, I'm pissed. If I'm Machado, I'm saying, get off the bag. Get off the bag. He's standing in the middle of the bag. I like trolls. I think trolling's okay. I just get frustrated by this because to me, this is an instance of baseball hurting itself. You get this when you try to quote unquote clean up the sport. You got to let guys throw it high and tight. Hey, give me your, okay, here's my four. I'll give you my four that make the playoff. When does the playoff poll come out? Next Wednesday? Yes, next week or the week after.

Okay, I'm going to say this. If I was to rate teams, because I don't believe that Alabama, because they beat people by 50s number one. I wouldn't put them number one because they haven't played anybody. Notre Dame's played a tougher schedule. I'd go Notre Dame number one. That's crazy. Go ahead. I threw you off.

Look at you. You can't even rank them. No, no, hold on. George, everybody's losing. I'd go Ohio State number two. That's wrong. Okay. Go ahead.

I would go. Georgia lost, Oklahoma lost. I would go Bama number three. What's wrong? And I would do Clemson number four. I think that there's got to be some mixture of how. Do you disagree with my teams? No.

Okay, so what are you banging on me for? Because it's not just about resume, right? It's about schedule. It's not just about schedule. It's also about dominance. I think it can be some combination of both. I don't think there's any way you can not vote Alabama number one in the country. They have been the most dominant team in college football.

Against it doesn't matter. That's a thing. No, there are teams that have a, Mike Tyson quality. Mike Tyson was the world's toughest bully. But when Lennox or Evander hit him back, he was never half of the fighter. We'll see. Bamma's a great bully. I'd like to see him go on the road occasionally in September.

Yeah, they don't do that. Listen, in the college football playoff area, do you know they're the only team to not play a true road game in the non-conference? It is embarrassing. And the schedule needs to get fixed. That doesn't mean that they're not a dominant team. I would go Alabama number one. I think if I was just rating on teams, I'd put Michigan number two.

I'd probably put Notre Dame. or Clemson 3, and I'd probably put LSU or Ohio State 4. I was not impressed with Ohio State. Not a knock on them. Their offensive line was bad last week. They've got so many holes. Dwayne Haskins is covering up for Ohio State right now. He's brilliant.

I'm telling you, man, this guy, you talk about an NFL prospect. He'll be the number one pick. Not this year, the following year. Yeah, I agree with that. He's great in the pocket, quick release, strong arm. He doesn't have enough college start. Nobody, he needs another 15 college starts. Probably.

Okay. Joel Clatt, Michigan at Michigan State. This is the Hurt, hour number three, live in Los Angeles, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, live hour three. Joy Taylor is joining me. By the biggest baseball game of the year, Dodgers Brewers game five after our show. Pregame starts at 4 Eastern. Dodgers last night, won in the 13th.

Cody Bellinger, who was having an awful series, didn't start. Put him in the 8th. And then in the 13th, he knocked in Mani Machado, who was part of a controversial play. So Joe Buck and John Smoltz will be on the call. Four Eastern pregame show starts. Biggest game of the year in baseball. And Brewers, Dodgers, has been highly competitive and very close to the final outs. Tom Verducci in 45 minutes checks in from Dodger Stadium.

15 minutes from now, my friend Jason Whitlock stops by. So I watched the NBA season kickoff last night. I watched a couple of games. I watched the Warriors get their rings. and then went on to beat the thunder again, and it's obvious that KD won the divorce. Kevin Durant now is better than Westbrook. He's got a better coach than Westbrook. He's in a cooler city than Westbrook.

He is still growing as a player. Westbrook is plateaued. Nine months from now, Kevin Durant's a free agent going to have all sorts of options, whereas Westbrook is tied to one team. KD won the divorce. Okay, he won the divorce. But there's no reason. to rub it in. A lot of times in divorce, she does better than you, you do better than her.

But last night, we know that Kevin Durant's won the divorce. He's got options in nine months. He got the better coach. He got the better teammates. He got the rings. He got the finals MVP. He can get out of the first round. But last night was rubbing it in. They had a ring ceremony. And I'm sitting there watching the ring ceremony. And they gave Kevin Durant his ring last. So Russell Westbrook in street clothes, not playing. It's one thing to get dumped. Kevin Durant dumped Westbrook. It's one thing to get dumped by your girlfriend.

It's another thing that she upgrades to a stud muffin. It's another thing if you're forced to go to the wedding and watch the ring ceremony as you hand out champagne spritzers. That was brutal. Westbrook had to sit and watch that. bad news. I mean, he might as well been outside parking cars and the reception.

That was brutal. That was brutal. And here's the thing. The NBA didn't mean to do it, but I'm sitting there watching that thing and I'm thinking to myself, God, that was like rubbing it in your face. And by the way,

everybody tells me these guys get long, it's fine, it's no big deal. But third play of the game, after this ring ceremony, here's what happened. And we all heard about KD and Russ. Well, after KD just blocked the shock of Stephen Adams on that end,

He looked at Russ Westbrook, and those two had some words, always competitive, ready to go at each other. I was like, why hasn't he running down the court? And look who's there standing on the bench. Tight jeans and the coat, that man, Westbrook, one of the toughest workers in the business. In the history of the NBA, there have been a lot of players who played together and then went their separate ways. Like Kobe and Shaq. Shaq won it early. Then later, Kobe kind of won it late.

But they've both gone on to good lives. I think in the history of NBA star divorces, celebrity divorces, Hollywood has a lot, sports has a few, this is the most one-sided ever. Kevin Durant is getting fit for MVP of the finals rings right in front of a physically wearing down Russell Westbrook. And in nine months, Kevin Durant could go to the Lakers. He'd go anywhere. Everybody was going to want him. Minnesota's going to want him.

Lakers going to want him. Phoenix's going to want him. Golden State's going to still want him. Portland's going to want him. Nick's going to want him. Miami's going to want him. Celtics would take him. I mean, this is the most

lobsided divorce in league history. Okay, New York, the Giants are a mess. We got Odell calling out Eli and Eli defending Eli. And Odell defended Odell. And now the owner John Marrow, the Giants, has stepped in

and is essentially defending Eli I hear. They find Odell Beckham for comments. And now here's John Mara, the owner, talking about Odell's comments, and Odell basically being Odell recently. I wish he would

create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and does off the field. I think he needs to do a little more playing, a little less talking. Wow. Wow. He's a new franchise guy. You know what this is, don't you? this is chasing your mistake in April.

That's all this is. The owner didn't have the guts on that April night. The owner John Mara is upset, but this could all be alleviated if Sam Darnold was a New York giant. By the way, the New York Jets are three and three. They don't have a star receiver like Odell. They don't have a star back like Sequin Barclay. They don't have a left tackle as good as Nate Solder. They haven't spent that kind of money on free agents on defense.

But the Jets are going to own this city for a decade. And now the owner is upset with the star receiver because the owner didn't have the guts on a April night. You remember the moment. We all watched the moment. This was the moment. Arnold is now there for the drafting by the Giants or somebody to come up and get him. It could be the Jets.

It could be the Broncos. The Giants might give pause and go ahead and choose that young man out of USC. The New York Giants have not traded this pick. They have made it. Could it be Sam Darnold? Could it be Sequam Barkley? This is a lynchpin pick of the 2018 draft. With the second pick in the 2018 NFL draft,

the New York Giants select Sequin Barkley running back Penn State Well what it tells you right off the bat is that Dave Gettelman did not believe that any of the quarterbacks left on the board were a franchise quarterback

Now that doesn't That's not necessarily all it told me It told me the owner Didn't want to draft a quarterback And Sam Donald ironically now shares the same facility Could be wearing blue He's wearing green

And we'll be for 15 years the owner now is upset with the star player who was kind of a disruptor, kind of talkative, kind of a showboat, a little bit of a diva, super talented, before the contract. And now the owner's mad after the contract and Odell Beckham hasn't changed one bit. This is chasing your mistake in April. By the way, with very, very, very, very, very few exceptions. Only one position in the NFL quarterback changes outcomes. If you look at the teams right now who are struggling in the,

locker room and with, quote, Titans, Dallas, Giants, Jacksonville Raiders, they got outcome problems because they got quarterback problems. They got quarterbacks underachieving. Sequin Barclay changes stats. He does not change outcomes. Sequin Barclay against Philadelphia had nine catches for 99 yards, had 130 yards rushing, and the Giants scored 13 points. When the Jets' running backs, have a big night. The Jets have twice scored over 40 and three times over 30 and six games. Sequin Barclay is a great player, and he'll give you great stats.

But stats don't change locker rooms. Outcomes do. Come on, John Mara. Odell Beckham hasn't changed one iota. You didn't have the guts in April to make the move. You knew Eli was getting bad four years ago. Quarterbacks change outcomes. You got an outcome problem because you have a quarterback problem.

Odell Beckham is exactly who he's always been. He's not the issue. We'll go to Dodger Stadium live in about 30 minutes. Jason Whitlock is around the corner. We'll try to get in Buy, Sell or Hold on a Wednesday. Today on FS1, Dodgers Brewers, tomorrow on Fox. Arizona Cardinals rookie Josh Rosen, who's pretty good. Nobody's watching Arizona play.

I think they host the Denver Broncos. That game in Arizona? Yeah, it's in Arizona. That'll be great for the audience to watch. We've seen Baker. We've seen Josh Allen beat the Vikings. We've seen Sam Darnold, seen Lamar. Nobody's seen Josh Rosen play in Arizona.

He throws the best ball of all the rookies. He is beautiful to watch. He'll be playing tomorrow on Fox. Don't be the guy in the room wearing the long, sloppy-looking untuck shirt, untucket.com. Code heard 20% off. Lakers, LeBron, start tomorrow. Dodgers Milwaukee today, after our show, an hour after our show, which will be the baseball game of the year. Dodgers Brewers, I still think Milwaukee's the better team.

Dodgers won last night. My friend Jason Whitlock is joining us. He looks different than usual. This is your Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is the greatest thing to hit the sports world since Magic Johnson. I'm all in on Pat. They're the worst team defensively. Right now.

Right now they are. Well, Eric Berry comes back. That will help. Justin Houston will cover. back. That'll help. So DeForge, your only legitimate pass rusher. Do you think you can win a? They went to Gillette and should have won the game, Colin. What more do they need to do? They should have beat the Patriots. Well, I didn't know they gave trophies for shoulda. Well, they lost by three on the road. If that game had been in Kansas City, the Chiefs win.

What are your people in Kansas City saying? That Patrick Mahal, look, for people in Kansas City, you got to understand, the Chiefs went like 30 years without drafting a quarterback in the first. round. Oh, you're right. Todd Blackledge and 83 with the great quarterback draft. And then after that, it was this conga line of San Francisco caskoffs from Joe Montana to Steve Bono to Elvis Gerbach. It was. Steve DeBerg actually didn't come directly from San Francisco, but it was this cast off of, you know, San Francisco wannabees. And now the Chiefs have landed the most exciting quarterback, young quarterback in football. Kansas City's on fire. No, I said this the other day.

It used to be on Sundays. I got up, and I've always loved Brady. I wanted to know where Brady played and where Aaron Rogers played. I got to be honest with you. And people think I'm being hyperbolic here. Aaron's 34. He's carrying a franchise of average skill people. He's limping regularly.

I don't think they win the division. I said this. I no longer get up going, where's Aaron playing? I don't, Jason. I get up and I go, where's Brady playing? And where's Mahomes playing? and people think I don't like Aaron. Aaron's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

But when I watched him the other night against San Francisco, he's not as electric. And he doesn't have the exciting play. He doesn't have a Travis Kelsey. I'm sorry. He just led a great comeback. I'm not saying he's not great. Through some dimes.

Who is more fun to watch? I don't know if anybody's more fun to watch than Aaron Rogers. I like your little list because everybody does have a QB list. and mine is Mahomes, Prop Cam, Brady. I don't get up in the morning with Andrew Luck. For about an hour and a half, Andrew Luck was a guy.

I'm like, where's Andrew playing? Baker Mayfield, I would throw on that list where I check to see where he's playing. That's a good one. Baker's on my list. Mahomes, Brady. I kind of like golf. I kind of like golf.

Golf's a system guy. Oh, God. Look, man, Cam Newton's got to be on the list, too. Because you don't know what's going to happen. He could look like the greatest thing in the world, and then he could fall apart on you. I don't understand. Inconsist doesn't turn me on.

If you were a columnist and every other column was great, I wouldn't read you. You got to give me, I like precision accuracy and you're good. Mahomes win or lose is fascinating and good every week. No question about it. You made an interesting comparison. You've never been a huge fan of LeBron to the Lakers. They debut tomorrow. And I think they're a 47 to 51 win team.

I don't think you like him as much. No. people put Brady and LeBron, Michael Jordan on that sports Mount Rushmore. What's the big difference to you between the two? I think that, and I said this this week on Monday, I think on speak for yourself, Brady is the premier athlete, the greatest athlete of this era. He has surpassed LeBron James. And look, it happened before the game with Kansas City, but just watching that game with Kansas City, watching a 41-year-old guy on third and one, I think from his own 34-yard line, late in the game, instead of handing the ball off,

instead of taking the safe throw, this dude unloads a 42-yard bomb. Perfect. To Chris Hogan. And it's perfect. And I'm like, how can he do that at 41? And I'm watching the next great superstar quarterback struggle with his accuracy in that game.

And Brady's more precise at 41. It just made me say, I think we've, as great as his career has been, I don't think we fully appreciate how great Brady is and for how long he's been great. The five Super Bowl titles, he plays the most important sport. He plays the most important position. He is the premier athlete of this era.

He surpasses LeBron James. And he is also obsessed with football. No, no, and again, that was the other thing I've thought about just during the city. I want my athletes just to be focused on great athletes. I want to be entertained when I go to the game or turn their TV on. I want a super obsessed superstar. are, I don't, again, Brady entertains me every time I watch him and I don't get distracted. I don't care about his politics.

I don't, you know, I guess I kind of know what they are, but I don't think he's ever really articulated anything. And so it's not a thing where I think LeBron's doing anything wrong, but for what I want from athletes and what I think they're really equipped to do is entertain me on the football field and or on the basketball court. that's what I want. I love Brady. So last night, it was almost mean-spirited by the NBA.

It was virtual trolling. I don't think they meant it to be this way, but Westbrook in street clothes, who got dumped, he got dumped by Durant. Not Paul George. No. He got dumped by Westbrook. He had to sit there in street clothes

and watch Durant get fit for a wedding ring. And it was like, in your face, brutal. And they were chirping as the game started. let's be honest, this is the most lobsided divorce in sports history. It is, but, you know, Kevin went into an arranged marriage. Kevin went into something he didn't have to work that hard for. And look, I don't want to get confused. I respect Kevin Durant.

I think he's a great player. I think he's going to be MVP this year. But in terms of just who is the man's man in that deal? deal between him and Westbrook. I got a little bit more of respect for Westbrook staying in OKC, being 100% off the end. You didn't stay in Kansas City or Indianapolis. You took opportunities. I stayed a long time.

Oh, boy. 16 years in Kansas. Well, for an NBA player, seven years is 16. You're calling us right to your 100. Look, I didn't just jump, though, to a dynasty where it would be easy. Where did I go? I came here to Fox Sports. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's a small. brand. Nobody's ever heard of that. So you went from local. And then when there was a better offer, you went to a place full of stars. With better weather. Look, first of all, I built a dynasty in Kansas City

before I left. That was the greatest sports section anybody seen in the last 20 years. Right Thompson. And I was the foundational piece. Joe Biden's right Thompson. You didn't pass a lot. I did not. I did shoot a lot. But again, I think Kevin

Durant realizes this, and that's why I think he's going to leave Golden State. I think he's going to go to the New York next. You buy that. Yeah. I think and I would respect the hell out of it. Hey, I won three trophies here with Golden State. I'm going to go out to New York and try to build my own

franchise, be the clear-cut number one guy. I think that's how he elevates himself in the conversation and becomes, you know, by that time, LeBron will be, you know, on the real backside of his career. But that's how he elevates himself and gets himself in the conversation as one of the ten greatest players

of all time. Yeah, but losing stinks. The Knicks are, you'd be losing. Boston's a die. I love the hard work. Why? Because it's reward, because if you pull off the impossible and things that people don't ever think is imaginable, look, I had several opportunities to leave Kansas City early

in my career. I love being in Kansas City and love making a national name out of Kansas City because no one else could do it. And people, you know, oh, you got to go to New York or L.A. to be a successful writer. And I was like, no, you don't. Not if you're really good. And so Kevin Durant has that opportunity. I think if he goes someplace else. Colin, it's no different than you coming here or me coming back to Fox Sports and to take on ESP. And I love this challenge. And people don't think we can do it. And we are doing it. I love this challenge. And it's going to be a great reward when you're when it's mission accomplished.

We'll go down in history. Yeah, hopefully. That'd be great. You got to admit, you miss me a lot, don't you? You miss me. You just left SFY. You didn't say goodbye. I think I was on vacation when you like, peace out.

I'm like, damn, I'm out of town. I don't even get, admitted, you miss me. Well, admit it, you miss me. I would say I miss your insightful different worldview. You missed the craziness. I didn't have a hard time working with you. You know, you're tough. You know, you have got big, strong opinions,

and that stuff never bothered me. No, of course. You admit, just admit, tell America you miss me. Everybody misses me when I'm gone. Every girlfriend I ever had. They're like, oh, man, the guy's five to seven pounds overweight. You know, he's a little bit sloppy. He doesn't clean up after himself.

Really? Average to mediocre in bed. Yeah. But I'm missing. Yeah, but they still all leave. That is true. Good to see you, buddy. Joey Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So you were just talking about it, Colin. That ring ceremony last night, the Golden State Warriors, they have expensive tastes. Yes. In 2017, their championship ring set the record for the most diamonds in a championship ring. They did?

And they doubled down on the record setting for the 2018 rings. Yeah. And they made them reversible. So the top part of the ring comes off. There's like a blue part of it. And then it flips and it's like, like, right. diamonds and the whole I don't find them as unlikable as

everybody else. I lot of people. The other day I was at a car wash and like a 25 year old millennial came up to me after asking for my autograph and he came up to him and he's like, oh God, I hate the Warriors and I'm like how do you hate great?

And he was as a kid and he was just like, they ruined basketball for me. I used to love the NBA and I'm like, it's the best team ever. You don't like them either? Listen, I always appreciate greatness and consistent greatness, and I don't appreciate the wide generalization of millennials. I'm a millennial. Do you like them? Do I like the Warriors? Yeah.

They win, yes. I like winners. Okay, same here. They didn't cheat their way to that. No. By the way. They cheated. No, first of all, they got Clay Thompson.

They're really good at recruiting. They're really good at managing the salary caps. They were able to sign Kevin Durant. Dream on the second rounder. They drafted Clay Thompson. They drafted Dramehamson. on Green. It's not their fault they're better at putting together basketball team than everyone else. Minnesota

drafted two guards, Rubio and Johnny Flynn. Two guards. And then Steph Curry was a pick later. Joy, when you got in a fight in school, did you go get Jason to go beat up people when you got in a fight in school? That's what the Warriors did by

getting Kevin Durant. They went and got their big brother. I mean, yes, but so the rest of the league would have liked that big brother, too. They just weren't able to make it happen. I think what happened is we have a cultural change in America where professional athletes have said, I just watched a show called NBA love story or basketball love story, that athletes have said, hey, man, they're coming to see us. They're not coming to see the owners and the GMs, and players are like, they want to take control

of their lives, and they don't want to be gilded in, by the way. They don't want to be gilded in to go into a good team. The owners would like the players to be gilded in going to a good team. I always said this with Kevin Durant. He walked into the league as a good kid. The owner said, I'll be in Seattle forever an hour. later there in Oklahoma City. The GM said, I'll keep you three together. An hour later, Hardin's gone. I mean, Kevin Durant got lied to about six times and finally said, oh, I get this league.

Take care of yourself. Listen, I believe in hard work and all that, and that's fine. But Kevin Durant wasn't the first person to change in the teams. So if we're really going to get into this, it was pre-Lebron. Bronn just made it famous because, you know, he did it on a TV show. All right. So Cody Ballinger is the real deal, is walkoff single in the bottom of the 13th innings. scored Manny Machado to give the Dodgers a two-one win over the Brewers. He put an end to the five-hour marathon to tie the NLCS at two games

apiece. Bellinger also made a ridiculous diving catch in the 10th. So, lots to talk last night about Manny Machado. Yeah, he's the only Dodger hitting. By the way, that play at first base, there was never one second

of fear of injury. This is a professional athlete. He drags his foot, over a guy's calf. But Colin, the unwritten rules of baseball. By the way, not a millennial thing. No. I just think Machado is Draymond Green.

He's here to get in your head. He's in the brewer's head. He's the only guy hitting. And for the record, he's a free agent, and the Yankees and Cubs are going to get into a bidding war. And I don't care that he doesn't run hard to first. There's 162 games, and Manny Machado is one of the rare baseball players. He plays all of them.

Colin, there's a right way to play the game and the wrong way to play the game. I don't want to hear it. You run hard to first every time. Don't buy it. I don't think you're running. I think if it's... I think if it's... I think you should have some personality and be a star, and that's what Manny Machado is. Game 5 is coming up here on FS1. Coverage starts at 4 Eastern 1 Pacific and

Clinton Kershaw is pitching for the Dodgers. Finally, six weeks into the 2018 NFL season, the Raiders are just 1 in 5, tied for the worst record in the NFL. They've been outscored by 66 points across their six games, which is the worst point different in the league. So they're just not playing good football, but apparently someone implied that they're purposely not playing good football because they're tanking. John Gruden doesn't like that.

I'll say this, we're not tanking anything. You know, I hear the hatred out there, some of the rumors that we're tanking it to get a first round pick or a higher pick. You know, we're not getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning to tank it. And ain't nobody tanking it. And I don't know who wrote that or who said that or who thinks that, but that ain't the case here. You know, we're going to continue to work hard, continue to build our team. And that was part of the message. By the way, there's a story out. Jake Laser reported Raiders are shopping Amari Cooper.

I had somebody come out to me yesterday and say, do you think the Raiders could get a first round pick out of it? And I said, no, he's expensive and he's not a first round player. He's a second or a third round player. But if somebody offered John Gruden a second round player for Amari Cooper, I actually would applaud John Gruden. Now, if he can only get a third round pick out of it, But Amari Cooper is not with the first or a second.

If somebody gave John Gruden that, and Khalil Mack, I wouldn't have done. But Amari Cooper in a passing league now, there's a lot of Amari Coopers. I would move him for a second round picking a heartbeat. I don't know. The Raiders need to do something. They're not tanking, though.

Where did they even come from? I don't think anybody, to be honest with you, the NFL's not really a tanking league. I think it's very difficult. You know, in the NBA last year, there were seven teams tanking. I mean, there are seven or eight teams at the bottom of the NBA that are completely hopeless.

I mean, Memphis has zero chance. Orlando, Charlotte. There is, you know, Portland's got no chance to win the championship. I don't think you should be rewarded for tanking. I don't think, I think we spend too much time worrying about it. I think there's unintentional tanking all the time. I think here's how you tank in the NFL. You can't unintentionally tank.

You either tank or you're just really bad. Okay, here's how you tank in the NFL. You set a guy who's marginally hurt. You move a left tackle to right tackle. There's ways to sit players who are marginally hurt. But there's too many people on the field. There's too many players to put together a tanking situation. They're not tanking.

They're just not playing well. That's really what it is. Like John Gruden came into a situation and he's trying to fix the culture and he bulldoze a situation and there were high expectations because he's making $100 million and it's the Raiders and they're moving to Las Vegas. There's just a lot of stuff going on. They're not taking. All right.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Well, we do it every week. We try to do it on Wednesdays, so let's not waste any time. I'm your stockbroker. By the way, Tom Brutchey, live at Dodgers Stadium before the end of the show for Game 5 tonight.

I'm your stockbroker. The game is buy, sell, or hold, and here we go. Time to buy. Colin will decide if he'll buy it, sell, or hold. All right, John. By Seller Hull, Patrick Mahomes will win MVP. Well, he leads the NFL in passing touchdowns. Here's a really important factor with Patrick Mahomes.

Kansas City's defense right now is easily the worst in the NFL. What does that mean? Patrick Mahomes is going to be in shootouts. So Patrick Mahomes, by the way, the Chargers are one of the best teams in the league. So even if this team got off to a 9-1-10-and-1 start, they're going to be in a dog fight. He's not going to sit games, number one. Number two is their defense is so bad,

he is going to be in shootouts every week, meaning he's going to be in the 350 range for them to win every week. So John, by, bye, bye, Patrick Mahomes will win the MVP. Buy seller hold. This will be Odell Beckham Jr.'s final season in New York. Well, Odell has won one game in New York since the boat game. He signed a five-year $90 million deal this offseason.

and John Mara is not happy with him. But remember, the issue with the Giants now is quarterback play. Of the bad teams in the NFL, the Giants are the only bad team. Dallas isn't a bad team. They're just not a great team. The Giants are the only bad team in the NFL that needs a quarterback. You will not give up Odell Beckham because my guess is the Giants will get Justin Herbert and he'll need Sequin Barclay as a rookie.

He'll need Nate Soulder. He'll need Evan Ingram the tight end. And he'll need O'Dell Beckham. Odell Beckham's going to be a giant. They're just going to have a new quarterback next year. John. Sell, sell, sell. Odell Beckham's going to be a giant next year.

Buy seller hold. Sam Darnold will win more games than Baker Mayfield. Well, the Jets are 3 and 3 and 3 and 1. And here's the thing to remember. The Browns lead the NFL in takeaways. The Browns have a better set of running backs easily. the Browns have the better tight end. The Browns have a star-wide receiver.

And right now the Browns have an absolutely better roster. They have an elite pass rusher. And they have an elite corner. The Giants have Leonard Williams, Sam Darnold, and Jamal Adams, and a bunch of guys. And they don't have enough weapons for Sam Darnold to carry them. They're going to be as good as their running game. So Baker Mayfield's only one game behind. Cleveland right now is fourth and third down defense, fifth in rushing.

The Browns do a lot of things well. Way more things well than the Jets do. So John, sell, sell, sell. Baker's going to win more games than Sam Darnold. Buy Seller Hold, this will be Kevin Durant's final season with the Warriors. Warriors are moving into a new arena from Oakland. They've been playing in that arena. The Warriors have it in Oracle.

It wasn't what was called Oracle for a long, long time. Next year they're moving into the NBA's greatest arena with Silicon Valley. It will be a state-of-the-art facility. And remember, I have Boston winning the championship. I do not think Durant will leave on the heels of a finals lost to Boston. So John, sell, sell, sell. I think Kevin Durant's in Golden State for the foreseeable future. Last one by Sillerhold.

Russell Westbrook will not win a playoff series this season. Well, Vegas has them at 48 and a half wins. That is a four-seat in the West. That means you are hosting an opening round in the playoffs. And Oklahoma City is very good at home. Also, we are overstating the talent and the depth of the Western Conference. Portland's got two great guards, no forwards. Minnesota's got a Jimmy Butler mess.

Pelicans lost their best two players. LeBron's got a fine chemistry. Yes, Golden State's good. Houston, I think, is worse defensively, therefore could be worse. So, John... Sell, sell, sell! No, they're going to end up a top four team in the West, have home court advantage. Hopefully they don't have to play Utah in the first round

because I think Utah is the surprise team in the NBA this year that gets to 50 to 55 wins. But Russell Westbrook will win a first round playoff series. Dodgers Stadium next. Tom Verduci, biggest baseball game of the year. Dodgers and the Brewers, Clayton Kirshah, going for Los Angeles. That's coming up next.

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Best for last? After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. All right. Series tied at two. Went 13 innings last night. Cody Bellinger, who didn't start, was off to a one for 22. start in the series, got plugged in in the 8th, and then in the 13th, he drove in Mani Machado,

and Tom Verducci, Fox Baseball analyst, is joining us. Okay, let's start with Mani Machado. I said this earlier, Tom. Sports has a history of agitators. Rodman, Lambere, Richard Sherman, Josh Norman. They are poking the ribs, get in your head. I could argue Mani Machado. Nobody was at risk physically.

He was a troll last night. They called a troll on the internet. He's getting into Milwaukee's head. He's had a tremendous series. I've seen this my whole life in sports. But my guess is Milwaukee doesn't see it that way. You talk to Christian Yelich. What did he say?

Well, he had no problem calling out Maddie Machado, calling that a dirty play by a dirty player. And Colin, I think the reason he was so bothered by it was because you had Aguilar, the first basement, in a vulnerable position. And they saw that as a play by Machado that was not necessary and was reckless. So, yeah, I mean, listen, Manny, of course,

it's a good word to use a troll in this case, on the field at least, because he's in middle of so many storms, you begin to believe that maybe he is the storm. Well, you know, here's the thing. My favorite baseball player of all time was George Brett, but if you Google his career, he missed 25, 30 games a year.

Machado doesn't miss any. He plays every day. He doesn't always run hard to first, but he's wildly productive. He's one of the five stars in the sports. And I got to be honest, it's, I grew up with Al Roboski, Mickey Rivers, all sorts of Mark Fidrich, Ricky Henderson, quirky guys. Machado's got an ego. I think he's, I would resign.

I mean, listen, the Cubs or the Yankees are going to go after him, right? Like, this isn't going to dissuade teams from going after Machado, right? Hey, no, I don't think so. Listen, I think what you're talking about is a guy who shows his frustrations on the field in ways that really probably are not professional. not running a ball out, the play at first base last night. That will not dissuade people from giving this guy $300 million plus because of the talent and the ability. In fact, you saw that in the 13th inning.

His read on first base on that ball in the dirt was incredible. Gets the second base and has a great score from second base on the winning base hit. So talent is going to win. He's 26 years old. Listen, I do think there's going to be some teams out there. This will give them pause. They will have to do a little more homework into the character. When you turn over that much money to a player, you want to feel good about what you're doing,

that that investment is a good one. So I think it will give some teams pause, but the bottom line, we're talking about money is a bottom line, right? Not sure that's going to change all that much because of what happened just last night. Interesting game for the Dodgers. Kershaw is a first ballot hall of famer, but has had some well-documented postseason struggles. Dave Roberts in the analytic era where managers make less and have less leverage will probably get blamed. That's the way it works if this talented roster doesn't win. Could this be Dave Roberts' last game?

The manager of the Dodger, could Clayton Kirchhoff's Dodger career not be as long-lasting as we thought? I mean, I think this game today, if the Dodgers lose, and it's one of the biggest Dodger games in five, six years. What's your takeaway in Kirshon Roberts? It seems like we've been in this situation so many times with Kirshan. getting the ball where you say it's a big game he's got to come through just go back to last year game five of the world series complete clunker with that series tied so yes this could be his last start of course he's got the option to leave the team or at least test the free agent market here's the thing Colin i'm not sure d'a Roberts knows what he's going to get from kersh that great game against

the braves and the ds his longest start ever in the postseason goes eight innings comes back with that game in milwaukee his shortest start ever with just three three innings. Completely different pitcher. He threw more balls in the middle of the plate against Milwaukee in game one that I've seen him do in a long time. If he does that again, it'll be a short start. You know, it's funny. Craig Counsel did a little over managing last night, where he had two challenges, didn't win either. I didn't think they were great challenges, and I think it's almost disruptive to a pitcher on the mound like Josh Hayter, who cranks out 98 miles an hour. This has been very much a chess match. I honestly think when I watch these two teams,

I think Milwaukee is the better team. If I lined them up for you and I said, we're tied at two. Tom, who do you think is the better roster, the better team to represent the National League? I would agree with you right now, and especially tied at two, Milwaukee has the advantage of home field, right? Two of the next three in Milwaukee. They're a little bit strapped today. I got to tell you, though, because of the bullpen usage last night. That was the worst case scenario for the Brewers to have Gio Gonzalez get out of that game after one inning with the angle injury

and to really extend a lot of their reliefers at pitchers. I'd be surprised if Hader is available for more than, say, even one batter today. But listen, Colin, you talk about the way counsel run games. I think he's done a really good job because he's been super aggressive. His greatest strength, I believe, with the Brewers, is the depth of that bullpen. And he will never be accused of leaving a starter in the game too long. He is always airing on the more aggressive side. Now, does that come back and burn him if it's a sense?

seven-game series, the way they've been used, perhaps. But I think that's their road to win using as many relief pitchers as he can. Series tied at two. Brewer's Dodger Stadium today, 505 Eastern on FS1. Tom Verducci, great Fox baseball analysts. Good talking to you, Tom. Thank you, sir. You got it, Colin.

All right, good stuff today. We've had Nick Wright, Stephen Jackson, Joel Clatt, Jason Whitlock, and Tom Verducci. Machado, by the way, is the only Dodger hitting. So, I don't know. Maybe I've got the wrong take. I think he's trolling. I think he's doing what Draymond Green does. And I I think he's not trying to injure him. He is

definitely trolling. The reason that they're upset is because it is possible for him to step on his ankle and injure him. But I don't think it was his intention to injure him there. Well, baseball, it's funny. Baseball has a new ad campaign with Ken Griffey where the whole campaign is let the kids play.

That it used to be baseball had big personalities. And over the last couple of decades, I have no reason why they've sort of suppressed personalities. They gave Bryce Harper, a lot of crap. They gave Yassi O'Puig a lot of crap. Mani Machado is a personality. He has different styles. The NBA is much better and much more tolerant at accepting.

Lance Stevenson came into the league. Meta World Peace. Rodman. You put your arms around and they are what they are and several teams want them to play. Machado to me is a great player. He's delivering. He's a little bit of a troll. He's an agitator. But I think we forget, Muhammad Ali, Connor McGregor, Tiger Woods.

Michael Jordan, by the way, was a trash talk. Larry Bird was a world class. Now you're saying, Colin, they weren't trying to injure people. When I watched Machado last night, I don't think he's trying to injure anybody. I mean, you got to sell the fight. Every personality is not going to be the same. It just doesn't work that way. Have you ever met two people that are exactly the same?

No. You want to encourage personalities. That's what content is. That's what we do. It is what we do. All right. I have a feeling Milwaukee's going to win today, and Milwaukee's going to go and win the next two games.

And then Dave, you know, it's funny. Analytics has sort of reduced the leverage of managers. They don't make it some money now in baseball. Whereas football's the opposite. Football coaches have never been more important. And it's weird what analytics and basketball have made it more offense. Analytics and football have made it more offense. Analytics in baseball have made it more defense.

I would get rid of the defensive shift tomorrow. I don't get it. I don't get rid of it. I don't understand it. In every sport, you can't hang out in the crease in hockey. You can't hang out in the lane in the NBA. In the NFL, you know, an offensive. defensive lineman can't be downfield on a pass.

Just outlaw the defensive shifts. Let's get more hits, more runners, more activity. I think it's all good. Chris Broussard. We'll join us tomorrow as LeBron and the Lakers debut tomorrow. Very excited for that. I'll go on record saying I think they're going to be about a 47 to a 51 win team. I don't think they're

going to be great in October, November, December. But I do believe what will happen to the Lakers is Brandon Ingram. This is my prediction. Will emerge as a 23-point-of-game guy. LeBron will be A-plus. He'll be a minus B plus player in the league. And with Kyle Kuzma, Brandon Ingram, and LeBron,

they're not going to need Kauai. They're not going to need Jimmy Butler. They're not going to need Paul George. They will not need a forward. They'll need Anthony Davis. They're going to go big game hunting. That's what the Lakers are doing. So when you hear these reports, there's one today by Kevin O'Connor at the ringer.

Nobody likes to play with LeBron. No, forwards don't want to play with LeBron because he's a forward and he'll be the best forward on the team. Can they use a great point guard? Maybe it's Lonzo. Can they use a great center? Maybe it's Anthony Davis. More to come. Chris Broussard tomorrow. In L.A., it's the herd. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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