The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Kyrie Irving, Lakers, Rockets, and Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: June 18, 2019

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb gives his thoughts on Boston Celtics G Kyrie Irving not keeping in contact with the Celtics, the Los Angeles Lakers getting F Anthony Davis and their next moves in free agency; Doug also discusses the drama between Houston Rockets Gs James Harden and Chris Paul, plus why Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is unhappy. Guests include Nick Wright and Ric Bucher. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll argue about basketball, probably about LeBron James. He'll say he's the greatest. I'll say he won't. Hilarity will ensue. We'll also talk about just the massive change within the NBA in the last week. I'll kind of go through it. And I would wonder if he's, I would wonder if he's he could think of a week where there was more change than there has been in the last week. Rick Buecker joined us. We got a bunch of things to get to. But I want to start with this. Supposedly, Kyrie Irving has ghosted the Celtics.

One of my favorite terms in the New Age Dictionary is being ghosted, right? Somebody texts you and you don't respond. somebody text you and you don't respond. And of course, everybody has the jerk friend that every once in a while will text you so the dots appear, but nothing actually comes through. What? What are you sending?

Finish the sentence. We're having a discussion here. But being ghosted is, it's not even responding who dis, new phone, right? It's sending a text and it's saying that it's delivered and never saying that it's read. It is, by definition, cruel and unusual punishment.

And the Constitution protects us, the Bill rights protects us from cruel and unusual punishment. Being ghosted by somebody who used to be your bestie is cruel and unusual punishment. So supposedly the Celtics are being ghosted by Kyrie Irving. And I was thinking about something yesterday. Con has really good info. I've received the same info and you look around on all your TV screens

and they seem to have the same info that the Lakers, number one focus now, because they don't have a point card, is spending all of that money on the best possible guy. Now, look, you're going to hear people say, well, you know, I would rather than spread it around. Here's what they're going to do. They're going to go after a primary target. If they don't get it, well, then, you know, there's only a couple of elite level guys out there. Then you go to the secondary, the Patrick Beverley's, the Darren Collison's.

You know, maybe you work your way down to Jeremy Lynch. and you just spread it around. Some of it's by choice, some of it's by choice, but a lot of it is by necessity. But here's the bigger thing. Do you remember mid-season when Kyrie Irving said, yeah, you know, I called LeBron, and I apologized and we made up.

He's my big bro again. Do you guys remember that? Remember how there's always been this rumor of, you never know, Kyrie could end up back in Los Angeles. And then all of a sudden, the Lakers make the blockbuster trade to land themselves Anthony Davis.

And you're like, it's on. All they need is a point card. And guess who's available? Kyrie Irving. And guess who they're going after? Kemba Walker. What? Wait.

Kemba starts with a K. But he's from L.A. No, actually, he's from New York. actually he's from Brooklyn. Wait, how did we go from? How did we get from? Kyrie could reunite with LeBron to if the Lakers don't get Kemba.

It's Patrick Beverly or Darren Collison or somebody of that oak. They're just like skipping over. And it's because, have you guys ever seen the crazy hot matrix? You can Google it during a break if you would like. But the idea is this. it's every guy thinks they want a 10. The problem with the 10 is they've been told they're a 10. And if a 10 is not under someone else's care,

there's a reason she's available, right? How many times does Halliberry have to be married to where we're like, wait, somebody would divorce Hallie Barry? Hallie Barry's got to be crazy. You ever seen these dating apps and these dating sites? You look and the ads like there's beautiful women. You're like, why is she? You're crazy.

It's the only possible explanation. And that's what Kyrie Irving is. Right? The Boston Celtics are in this perfect position. You know, they're reaching out. They're texting, hey, want to grab coffee? And he's ghosting them. So they look like the good guys.

But the truth is that the Celtics thought this was too good to be true. Just too good to be true. Kyrie Irving, burgeoning superstar. Get him for two years. He's bright. He's zapable. He's been, you know, he's been pushed aside because of team LeBron. He's found a way to kind of navigate with social jujitsu, kind of that dicey path of

playing with LeBron, not calling out the king, but it's not always easy, right? So I sit here and I'm thinking the Celtics are getting out. They're cutting. Celtics had talent-wise a better team and a worst product or a worst result. And the Lakers could go after Kyrie Irving. I mean, look, Kyrie reached out to LeBron. Why can't LeBron reach out to Kyrie? Hey man, you want to do this again?

On the other hand, everything you're hearing is we'd prefer Kemba or Patrick Beverly. Like completely skipping over the idea of, even having a conversation with Kyrie Irving, which tells you all you need to know about why Kyrie is single. And then the Brooklyn Nets are sitting there and guys are telling them, dude, she's crazy. Dude, she's crazy. Nah, man.

No, no, no. No, we had dinner. We had dinner. She was in jeans and like a T-shirt. She's cool. I asked her what she's doing afterwards and she said, I'm going home to watch Sports Center in Van Gogh. Peasy. She even said Van Peezy. She's cool. Why is she available?

Right? She's got kids and doesn't have custody. It's one of those type of deals. You're like, hmm, something ain't right. That's Kyrie Irving. In his physical prime, has been fully healthy this year, has hit essentially the game winning shot in game seven of the NBA finals, has played with LeBron. The Lakers need a point guard. The Lakers have a spot for his contract, can figure out a way to make the financials work, and they ain't even going to call. And the Celtics are like, oh, you ghosted me?

Okay. People that ghost other people that they're in relationships with are crazy. Because normal people, when you reach out to them and text them, and things just went wrong, you just go like, hey, I'm good, hope you're good. How's the family? Good, good, good. It's almost like when you see somebody to party and you do that really uncomfortable. side kiss thing. Why do we do that? Why do we do that? We are not in Europe. Okay. Some people do

wear tight jeans. We don't smoke in public places nearly as much as they do. We all of us really have much better dental care. Why do we do the side kiss thing? Anyway, that is an aside. The world is telling you that Kyrie Irving in that crazy hot, crazy hot matrix is just 10 that knows he's a 10 that's been told he's a 10. I'll give you a story real quick from Boston. A friend of mine told me this story, that Kyrie came in one day just to film. And again,

it's not that Kyrie shows up late. He actually was the first one in film room. Walked up to Brad Stevens and said and Brad always, you know, Brad always, morning, morning, what does government mean to you? That was Kyrie's good morning question. What does the word government mean to you? Not, hey, did you see that

Laker game last night? Man, are they a mess? Not, how are we going to fix our ball screen coverage? Not, man, my knee feels great. Not, how are your kids? It was, what does the word government mean to you? And so Brad Stevens at 8 in the morning on his first cup of Duncan took a long sip

and went into some soliloquy saying, absolutely nothing because he didn't know what sort of trap door any sort of word was. And then he turned it around on Kyrie and said, what's it mean to you, Kyrie? Kyrie said control. Very deep. Very, very, very deep. Also very transparent. And Kyrie's one of these guys that he's smart, but he's as smart as a young guy can be that went to school for a half a year and then has been a professional athlete for the rest of his life. and been told that he's a 10.

There's a reason Hallie Berry has been through three marriages. There's a reason that one of those marriages, she had, one of her ex-husbands, had an addiction to, yeah, and it wasn't with her, which does, like, you're married to Halliberry, you're addicted to that. That doesn't seem like a problem.

Sometimes the single girl is hot and single for a reason. And that's Kyrie Irving. And the Brooklyn Nets are sitting there going like, nah, she was cool. And the Lakers are telling you all you need to know. They need a point guard. There's a repaired relationship between the two. And everyone is telling you that the Lakers are, we would really like Kemba Walker. Because Kemba Walker is probably an eight.

But at some point in Kemba Walker's life, Kemba actually was told he was a five or a six and then he went to the gym and then he got his hair done started dressing better and now he's an eight. Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show up coming next. Does he think the Lakers will land another star

in free agency? Plus can he remember can he remember a week where there is such incredible change in the NBA. I'll explain them to him next. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. This is The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific

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I took public transportation to get here. Okay, that part wasn't true. That part wasn't true. Nick Wright joins us. His show is first things. First today they had Shaquille O'Neal on. I want to get to some of things that Shaq said. But Nick, it's kind of a remarkable week if you really think of it, right?

I mean, if you go back to before game five of the NBA finals, there was this thought that I had that, hey, Kevin Durant can come back and ride it in on his white horse and the Warriors couldn't win again. And then he goes off to Brooklyn or the Knicks and changes that franchise forever. Then he comes back and does that for 12 minutes, tears his Achilles tendon. Somehow the Warriors win that game. They go to game six. Clay Thompson tears his ACL. The Raptors win that game.

And now the sudden we're left with, well, the Warriors are done for at least a year, if not forever. KD's done for at least a year. He may never be the same, but that takes him probably out of the same. the mix of Brooklyn or teams looking to win right away. And then you have Kauai, which I don't know if winning a championship changes his perspective, but at least has to make him think about the possibility of owning an entire country. And then you have the Anthony Davis trade, which has shaken up the landscape so much that they're now a favorite to get to the NBA finals in Vegas.

Nick Wright, you followed and studied the NBA your entire life. Can you think of a week that changed the league as much? I would say Jordan's original retirement, just the shockwaves that sent across basketball, opening up the east, making it seem like we just knew someone was going to break through that hadn't. I think that one, I think the week of LeBron's decision, that one obviously did, and the week of Durant deciding to go to Golden State. but this is up there with all of them, and it might be the biggest, because you're right. The Warriors are done. I mean, that is, before even Anthony Davis gets to the Lakers, what we learned was tragically, sports-wise, the best thing that could have happened to the Warriors would have been

them not have an 18-0 run in game two of the third quarter, just simply be swept. If they were swept, Kevin Durant's Achilles is intact. Clay Thompson's knee is in fact. And at worst case scenario, they come back to next season with an older, much older, but an older version of the team that won 73 games. Instead, the entire landscape of the NBA has changed forever. Now, no matter what happened with the Warriors, I believe the Lakers were still getting Anthony Davis.

That was done because Anthony Davis wanted to be there, and that was done because he's got a really good agent. But that wouldn't have made them favorites. It wouldn't have put them in the position they are now. And maybe the Knicks are more aggressive in pursuing Anthony Davis if they believe they're getting Kevin Durant, which I think they do, but where they can pair Anthony Davis with Kevin Durant for at least the season. So yeah, I mean, these waves will be felt forever. And the next time Clay Thompson plays basketball, Steph Curry will be 32. Clay and Dre on will be 30 and Iguodala will be 36. Yeah. Which is one of the

big reasons I think the Warriors are finished. I'm with you. Like everybody, they fail to take it, everybody thinks that like if you take a year off, you come back and then you do it again, like, look, Steph's going to be two years older the next time they're competitive and he's going to take a beating having to just try and score

50 every night, you know, playing on his own team. The idea that, and then the league will change, and they'll meet new players and more form teams. Okay. Okay. Okay, let's get to Kevin Durant. What do you think he does? Because it appears that he could stay in Golden State, lay in the cut, take the Supermax,

and try and make another go of it. They finally seem to respect him there and maybe nationally. He could still go to New York, but that means the team tanks another year, and you're going to change the culture. And Father Time is creeping up on Kevin Durant. We don't know what he'll look like. What do you think he'll do? I think he signed with the Knicks.

I don't think that has changed. I don't think that if you're Kevin Durant, while we might not know who it was whispering in the ear of Tim Kawakami and Sam Amick, the weekend before he tore his Achilles, that if this were Clay dealing with a cap, he'd already be back, questioning his rehab and his heart. I imagine Kevin Durant does know that. and I don't know that he wants to spend a year rehabbing with those people around those people.

I don't think it's nothing that he had the surgery done here in New York City. And I think his plan all along was to come here to New York City. I don't think that changes. Now, do the Knicks go after a max-level free agent to pair with him, even though that guy's going to have to await a year, or do they roll that cap space over a season, develop their young guys, develop R.J. Barrett, develop, you know,

Alonjo, Trir, Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, Dennis Smith, Jr., and then potentially use cap space or the draft pick next season to try to trade for a star. I don't know, but I think Kevin or answer Nick. Nick Wright, joining us here. I'm Doug Gottliebilling for Collins, The Hurd on Fox Sports Radio on the IHeart Radio app.

expectations are that Kyrie Irving becomes a Brooklyn net. There was a lot of talk that he and KD would link up in New York or in Brooklyn. And I found it at least curious that even if it was a stretch to think Kyrie would want to play with LeBron again, every story you're hearing and everything I'm hearing is the Lakers' primary target for a point guard is Kemba Walker, not Kyrie Irving. You factor in that the way it ended in Brooklyn, he's now kind of, he's ghosting, excuse me, the way it ended in Boston, he's ghosting now the Celtics. Kyrie feels like that feels like a 10 that's been told he's a 10 and is single for a reason. Tell me I'm wrong. Well, listen, I think the Lakers would very, very happily take Kyrie Irving and I think LeBron would very, very happily play with Kyrie Irving.

I don't think they're going to get the $32 million, you know, the max cap space. I don't think the pelicans are going to let this thing delay 30 days. And I think people are concerned about Kyrie Irving's long-term health and not just his knee. I think that's the fairest way to put it. And I think people are, I think Kyrie is a free spirit in a lot of ways. and I think he's mercurial, and I think that he is a great, great player. Listen, he's not one of the seven difference makers in the league, but he is in that next tier of player, and you're better with him.

But Kyrie Irving at this point, this is going to be the biggest offseason of his life, not just because first time he's a real free agent, but he's going to decide what level of basketball player he wants to be. Is he going to look at what happened in Boston while it wasn't all his fault, try to fix the things that were because if he doesn't and he goes to Boston, that is just a similar situation with a less talented core and a worst coach. So why on earth? And nothing is Kenny Ackton, but I don't believe he's Brad Stevens.

What on earth would make that situation different than the one he just was in and it did not work out? And he's not going back to Boston. And by the way, and he shouldn't go back to Boston. Boston got beat for straight by the team that then got beat for straight. They are not close. And I was trying to tell people that all year long. And finally, maybe now people will believe me on it. And Danny Aange for the seventh consecutive offseason was this close to getting his guy.

But the other team, damn it, they just wanted too much. And so Boston is stuck in neutral. And Kyrie needs to figure out how much it matters to him to try to break into. that next tier because right now he's not going to. It's going to be fascinating. We've talked around the Lakers a little bit. Okay, so they have two of the, you said seven difference makers in the NBA? Two of the seven difference makers in the NBA, two great players.

Can they put a good enough team around them considering they don't have a first round pick, not that that would affect their team this year? And they just, they have to create an entirely new team. they bring back Alex Caruso as a backup point guard and Javelle McGee, like, Ken, do they, do they have the financial resources to go out and get guys that can win games for LeBron James? Yeah, listen, if, and I say this as I suppose as arrogant as it sounds, but I mean, if I were the GM, they could, and Rob Polink has got to know as much as I do, right?

You go out and you call up Darren Collison, he shoots 40% from threes and above average defender. He's never played on a super high level winner. He's battled against LeBron. You offer him $8.5.9 million per season. You call it Patrick Beverly. You say you don't even have to move. You see if he's interested. Terrence Ross, you gauge his interest. Danny Green, you gauge his interest. You try to get two of those four or three of those four. You go to the next level, which is you hit up Rudy Gay and you say, listen, man, you've made $134 million in your career. When you die, you're going to have money left over that you made in the early 2000s. Are you interested in playing for a title?

And you make that same pitch to Jamal Crawford. And then all of a sudden you've got a team built. Like this is one of the, everyone, I'm old enough to remember all the LeBron went to L.A. to make movies. All the LeBron's, Laker, like MJ was a wizard take. Those were all as stupid then as they are now. Agre with you. And the reality is that.

that one of the reasons you go to L.A. is because it's almost as if LeBron had insight that Anthony Davis would force his way to L.A. And the other reason you go to L.A. is because guys like to play in Los Angeles, in the sunshine for that franchise. It's also, if you do free agency right, it's an argument against going after Kimball Walker. Because while you would be the only team with three stars in the NBA, your bench would be non-existent. If you could get Kauai or Kyrie, so obviously you do that. You deal with not very good bench.

You probably do it for Kimba. But for Jimmy Butler or Chris Middleton, I would not. I would go after 3-&D guys. I would go after debt. And you already have the best duo in the NBA by an enormous margin. Like, let me ask you just if I may. As we sit here today, the second best duo in the NBA is what? I don't know.

Is it Embeddead and Simmons? Yes, except for again, yes, but you have serious injury concerns about Embed, shooting concerns about Ben Simmons, and... So then it's Janice and Middleton. And chemistry concerns, right? Right. So then we're to Janice and Middleton. No, no. Listen, I'm with you.

And I'm with you on a multitude of levels. You know, Colossons from L.A. Like, it all makes sense. Went to UCLA. Right. I mean, it all, all that makes sense. sense. I just, I do wonder like, there, there's always somebody out there willing to give guys more money. And though they all say they want to play for a championship, they also want to make a lot more

money. And, you know, so we, we will, we will see. All right, let's get to Kauai Leonard, who did make fun of himself and his own laugh yesterday at the victory parade. I don't take victory parades into account in terms of keeping somebody in a city because they're all awesome, right? They're all amazing and they all feel bigger than the next and this one feels big. Does anyone have any real feel for what Kauai Leonard is going, wants to do? I think Chris Carter does and I talk with him every day. I mean, Chris Carter is one of the only people that seems to have an open line of communication with the ever elusive Uncle Denny and with Kauai's agent.

Chris's football agent is Kauai's basketball agent. and Chris will tell you he's considering only he's considering five teams those are the two new york teams and the two la teams and it sure seems like where we were a few months ago is where we are now with the clippers and the raptors being in the pole position and any of the other teams having to play substantial catch-up with to me the real news in that being he would even consider the new york teams which in a hypothetical of hypotheticals raises a really interesting basketball question, which is if Kauai Leonard were to pick the Knicks and they then were to have the option between signing Kevin Durant with their second max spot or signing one of those two guards, Kyrie or Kimba, which one do you do if you already have Kauai in the fold and you know Katie is not going to be available for the first season of that contract? That's a hypothetical of a hypothetical, but it's kind of an interesting Roarshark test for what you value in basketball. It's going to be fascinating. Our last thing, one, an organization you do have a lot of ties to, a place you used to do local sports radio before doing your own national show is Houston. And there's new details out. Daryl has come out and said, Chris Ball's not on the market, although maybe that's because they shopped Chris Paul and no one wanted that contract.

Yeah. Right. That leads you believe that Clint Capella is. But the details that came out of a story yesterday where, you know, Chris Paul wants to code. James Harden. He wants to play more without James Hardin on the floor. That those two, it is not as seamless a marriage as the Rockets at times would lead you to believe. There are some that believe they're in the Jimmy Butler sweepstakes. How does it end or how does it maybe begin next season with the Rockets?

Well, listen, they certainly were in the Jimmy Butler sweepstakes. They offered reportedly four first round picks for him. I know Daryl a lot and I really, really like Daryl. I believe him that they are not currently shopping Chris Paul. It would be hard for you to believe they never shopped Chris Paul to end this where this began. If you're the rocket, you needed a massive overhaul and then Golden State fell apart. Like there is an element of, wait, we did have to change everything. We did need to shop Clint Capella because much like Kevin Love for the Caval, he's useful against all the teams except for the one that

matters. Clint Capello's useful player against everyone seemingly except Golden State, but now Golden State's not in your way anymore. And I do, who am I describing when I say a really good team, consistently good in the regular season, even got the one seed one, but could not be one specific team in their conference, questions about their coach of the year level coach shop their second best player. Is that the 2019 Houston Rockets? Or is that the of 2018 Toronto Raptors. And the Raptors are now champions. Now the Rockets don't have a Kwai Leonard walking through that door.

But their version of LeBron leaving the conference, I think it's just happened with Golden State. So I think the Rockets at this point should be looking around and saying, okay, let's run it back one more time. And the reality is, I don't think they have much choice because no one is taking Chris Paul. Now, here is one more thought exercise. I'm curious your thoughts on because I respect your basketball opinion, even though we disagree a lot. If Houston calls up and offers Clint Capella straight up for Draymond Green, Draymond Green, who's on a one year left on his deal and then we'll be expecting the Max from Golden State, which party says no to that?

I think the Warriors say no to it. So you think the Warriors are ready to offer Draymond Green the Max in a year? No. I mean, I just, I don't think they want, even though Clint Capella doesn't make a ton of money, I just, I don't think he does, I don't think he does it for them, you know, as they, I mean, they think they probably think, look, we got Kavon Looney. We would rather manage that salary. I mean, he's a tremendous rim protector, but he can't play at the end of a series if you're playing small ball. He just, he has, he has no, he doesn't have the value to them. So if the Rockets don't make a move like that, what they do have going for them, and Darrell's right when he says this, They're one of the only teams in the league that knows if they, as long as they want to, which they do, they will return their entire starting five next year. Right. And that is valuable for a team that is the best record in the NBA after the break. No, I look, I think the reason, as you pointed out, like, look, their reason for wanting to make a change was anyone who said they couldn't beat the Warriors with KD, they couldn't beat the Warriors without KD at home in game six. And this is like, what are we doing?

You know, fool me one, shame on you. fool me twice. Shame on me. But now it changes. They are stuck with Chris Paul. I do think Chris Paul can still be effective if you give him the ball and you let him run ball screen stuff with Capella where he can get those mismatches. He's just not a great fit with James Hardin. And I think James Hardin still has those flaws of only being able to play one way and and not shoring up the little thing.

There's a lot to it. I just, I don't know if it's, I'm with you. I don't know if it's fixable. I think you just hope you're the healthiest team. come end of the year and maybe hope the Lakers have flaws and you can expose them at the right time with your three-point shooting. I don't know. Anyway, it's an absolutely fascinating week to those of us who love and follow and cover the NBA

as you do. It's first things first plus he has a national radio show. He's the one and only Nick Wright. Nick, great stuff. Great picture today with your little girl, your wife, and with Shaquille O'Neal. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you so much. Continued success, Doug.

And listen, I heard the intro to the segment, which is you talking about Colin Cowell. doing rich guy stuff. I am curious. Do you think you are closer to Collins' income or the average guy stuck on the 405 listening to you is closer to your income? I'm curious where we were, what level of rich guy we're getting to? Because I've seen your palatial estate. You ain't exactly struggling, my friend. I would say I'm actually closer. I'm, I'm a check to check guy. I'm much closer to the guy. And it's not even the 405. I'm much closer to the guy on the, on the 210 or the 60, if you know Los Angeles. I'm much closer. I'm much closer to the guy. I'm more of an IE sort of income.

Inland Empire. I'll talk to you later, brother. Thanks so much. Inland Empire. Of course, the birth home and where Kauai Leonard was raised. The 909, if you're from Southern California. All right, let's get to our incredible newsman. Here's John Gullet.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So yesterday, there were some By the way, to answer his question, I know how much Colin makes. I know how much I I know what the average income is. I am closer to average guy.

Good to know. To say I'm closer than you are. Yesterday, some fun rumors came out about the Lakers becoming a serious threat to sign Kauai Leonard. Adrian Ward Janowski on get up this morning, quickly dump some water on those embers. Kaui Leonard's focus on Los Angeles, but it's the clippers, not the Lakers. Number one, they don't have the money to sign him. And two, the idea of him being a third wheel on a team trying to create a super team, that has not been Kauai's M.O.

The Clippers are poised to be able to lure him from Toronto. This will be a Raptors' Clippers fight down the end. He may take meetings with more teams. It's not even certain he'd even take a meeting with the Lakers. Everything Wodes just said right there, I completely agree with, do you? Yes. I mean, like, because his cousin, I don't know, my cousin doesn't speak on my business. I have lots of cousins.

Not lots. I have enough cousins. I don't know how reputable a source that is. I just... One, I don't actually know how he would fit with that team. I think Kauai Leonard's awesome. I think he's currently the best player in the NBA. Because Kevin Rant is hurt.

We don't know he'll be back because LeBron James has aged. He's great. But they already have Kyle Kuzma. They have LeBron. They have Anthony Davis. Like, are they going to play without any guards? Is that the idea? Making a sign and trade, Kyle Kusma?

And also, you said before, there's still only one ball, right? There is. Why likes to have the ball, and the Bron likes to have the ball, and Anthony Davis has never played with stars like this before. Last time I checked, they play. If they invent a new form of offense where there's two or three basketballs, then I will stand corrected. It came out yesterday that Aaron Rogers is already unhappy

with the new head coach Matt LaFleur's offense. More specifically, the inability to make changes at the line of scrimmings. Now, LaFleur talked to Mike Silver of NFL network as well. So Aaron and him had some good talks about it and there's still more to discuss. He says the system, which is similar to Kyle Shanahan's, is not designed for audibles by the quarterback, but admitted Rogers deservedly it had that ability over his career. This is my question, Doug. Okay.

The Packers interviewed this guy. Apparently didn't get Aaron Rogers' blessing on this guy. When they talked to him, did this not come up? Did they not talk about the offense that he runs? It's a little bit about it. It's a little bit of what your definition of is, is, right? The famous Bill Clinton interview, right? They don't have audibles per se, but they have check with me, right?

There's two different plays. And if you read X, you execute Y. If you read Y, you execute X, right? Right. And so Aaron Rogers is like, look, that ain't how I roll. He even came out with a quote where he's like, I don't know. Like, I've been, like, there's like five guys. on earth who can do this and I'm one of them.

Aaron Rogers complaining before they've had actual training camp. Everyone saw Aaron Rogers complaining coming. Right? But to complain before there's even training camp that... Over under was going to be like the second loss of the season

or something. Right. Right. Where he was like, I don't know, I don't have any audibles. They're like, wait, what do we mean to have any audibles? So he's clearly not happy. And he is one of those but when he ain't happy, he kind of shuts down pout guys a little bit. So, yes, they should have run this by Aaron. Maybe there should have been a little bit better vetting.

But this is like one of those marriages to where they're walking down the aisle and you're like, what do you think? Six months? Six months. That's the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Ah, ha.

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This is the herd. This from that story, we were discussing a little bit earlier with Nick Wright, about the Rockets. They were at their best last year when Hardin and Paul played together during the playoffs,

posting a plus 6.4 net rating compared to a minus 1.5 with only Hardin on the floor and a minus 4.6 with only Paul on the floor. In other words, statistically speaking, statistically speaking, they're better to,

than they are divided, right? Isn't that true for all of us? Aren't we all better together than we are divided? Sorry, I'm just a little cheesy, but it's actually generally true. The difference is this, that sports is not all about stats. I understand we just had Nick Wright on. He is, in fact, all about stats, that analytics and statistical analysis is an important part of the future, not just as sports, but in business, right? understanding not just if we're successful, but how and why we are successful and more of that.

Heck, we do it in a radio. We do it in television. We check out the demos, what hits, what doesn't, what gets the most clicks. But just because it gets the most clicks doesn't mean it's the core of what we do or who we are or how we want to feel or how we want to broadcast. Apparently the strife within the Rockets is that Chris Paul is a super strong personality, shocker there, that he wants the ball in his hands, shocker there, that he believes that his knowledge of how to play and how to win is something that James Hardin should learn from, and it drives him crazy the little things that James Hardin doesn't do,

the fact that he doesn't move without the basketball, the fact that he doesn't play any sort of defense, and he only really plays with the basketball in his hands. Of course they're better statistically with two stars on the floor than they are with one star on the floor. What it doesn't take into account is, again, and I pointed this out to Colin. I understand that the stats would tell you

the Warriors were better without KD as opposed to without Steph. The problem with that is it's actually an indictment of the guy who replaces Steph as opposed to the war. the guy who replaces KD. Do you guys understand? Like it's not in a vacuum. I think that's actually more of an indictment on Quinn Cook, for example, with the Warriors, as opposed to Andre Godala, who would be in the starting lineup when Kevin

Durant was out. And if you don't think that Andre Goda is a better player than Quinn Cook, I can't really help you. And so some of this is an indictment on the bench and how the rockets are, in fact, built to play around James Harden now as opposed to playing with Chris Paul. Look, I agree with anyone who says Chris Paul's contract's going to be like an Albert Poolehold's contract at the end of it. The last two years are going to be ugly.

But he still has a ton of value and you can't really trade him. So you got to let Chris Paul beat Chris Paul. But this is one of those things where we told you for a long time, boy, it feels like a bad fit. I get that they're both great, but can they be great together? People always say, like, you and Colin are great. Why don't you and Colin do a show together?

Why? Because Colin's a solo act. He's a solo act. He's good in the football show, but he's best on this show. James Hardens is a solo act. And that's why Chris Paul is struggling to play with him. It's really that simple. Really that simple.

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Rick Buechers is going to join us upcoming in 15 minutes. Look, I went in a little bit on Kyrie Irving, who I actually think is a freak talent. I don't know. Nick Wright has this like seven most impactful guys. I don't know. That guy is a walking bucket. But there's a reason the Lakers aren't picking up the phone. But I was talking with Colin yesterday. I was listening to Nick earlier today on First Things First.

I was listening to Clay Travis and Patrick's show. Everybody's talking about, well, you know, spend too much. Spend too much on a, too many draft picks. It's like, oh, okay. Like, I'm not going to. disagree with you. I think it's a very, very risky proposition. It is. There is just a ton that is unloaded. And they have to find a way to smartly put together a team. And let's also remember, like, look, I'm not, I'm not going to be anti or pro Rob Polinka because

I don't have any negative or positive history with Rob Polinka determining what he's going to do. And truth is, neither do you. All you have is what you have. read. But if there's a mistake the Lakers have made, it's here's a guy who is inexperienced from this side of the table. He doesn't have, he's the only NBA GM to not have an assistant GM alongside. They do have a cap specialist. They do have other people that have been doing this a while, but there's no, hey, I've been doing this a long time. Let's put together the team. So this is a first time. And it's a big franchise and a big swing. And I've seen the comparison to this deal to when Dwight Howard came aboard.

Do you guys see that one? That was on the Internet earlier today, where Kobe Bryant was 34, much like LeBron James is 34, and Dwight Howard's 26, much the way that Anthony Davis is 26. I mean, Chibi pointed out that Dwight Howard was coming off of back surgery. Anthony Davis is not. There was also the debacle, like, of the worst trades of all time. the Steve Nash trade is arguably the worst trade of all time. Do you guys remember the Steve Nash trade?

Did you know that Steve Nash was traded for four draft picks and he was a free agent? It was a sign and trade, but you didn't have to have a sign and trade. I mean, it was just a horrific trade. Forget about the fact that Steve Nash was hurt. Do you know how many games Steve Nash played? He played combined two seasons, 65 games in Los Angeles. That's it, at 38 and 39 years old. So if there was a mistake that was made, was Dwight Howard off of back surgery a mistake?

Sure. But so was Steve Nash for four draft picks when he was an unrestricted free agent and he was 38 years old. Felt like a bigger mistake. Oh yeah, and you had Mike Brown who wanted to, who let Eddie Jordan run the Princeton in offense when you had when you had Dwight Howard who can't pass and Steve Nash who has to have the ball in his hands to create and Kobe Bryant

who'd succeeded in the triangle. Outside of that it was a perfect plan. But this is not just what the Lakers do. This is what big franchises do. I mean I don't know if you remember, what was it? 2008, the Yankees went out

and they signed Mark DeSherra and C.C. Sabathia and AJ Burnett, they were the three highest paid free agents out in the market. They took a huge swing. Anybody remember what happened after they did that? They won the World Series. Doesn't mean that this is an NBA championship team,

but this is what big franchises do. You need a process when you're not at one of the big franchises. The other one just go like, hey, let's just get a bunch of money and a bunch of big names and see if it works. The Knicks have done this for years, obviously, to not, they haven't been as successful as they need to be. But the Knicks also got to the NBA finals, 25 years ago. They were in the NBA finals.

They had Pat Riley. That was a big swing to go along with Pat Ewing. And they got to the NBA finals in the post-Jordan couple years there. They had that one year where they went there. And the Knicks have tried to replicate that. Larry Brown. Remember Larry Brown was the coach? $25 million to not coach the Knicks anymore.

I get that deal. They've had Rick Petino even before they had Pat Riley. They had Phil Jackson. They've had Amari Stadmire and Penny Hardaway and Carmelo Anthony. Like they've done this. This is what big franchises do. Remember the Dodgers one year? The Dodgers one year went out and signed Kevin Brown and they gave him access to, at the time,

Fox owned a portion of the Dodgers. And Kevin Brown had limited access, but he had access to the Fox plane. I mean, how baller move is that? Yeah, listen, I want $100 million, and I want that plane. You can't have the plane. I want to use the plane. Okay, we can do that, right? That's just, I mean, look, by the way, the Yankees traded for Kevin Brown,

even after they knew he sucked with the Dodgers, and he couldn't get along in a clubhouse. Movie studios do this. they have to, why do they have these big budget movies? Because when they hit, they make a crazy amount of money. Like, what's the big blockbuster of the year? Avengers Infinity War, right? No, it's Endgame?

No, sorry, Infinity War was a big game. And then Endgame is the big one this year, right? I mean, think about it. How much money do you think was laid out to make that movie? Not how much money has the movie made. How much money was laid out to make that movie? $356 million. Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo,

who Colin has this weird thing from Mark Ruffalo, right? I heard him, was it last week, Goulet? What he was like, anytime he's on the screen, he just don't like, really? I think Mark Ruffalo is good, but I think he kind of does the awshucks average guy really, really well. You know, Josh Broil and Bradley Cooper, Brie Larson, Paul Rudd, Don Chief.

like Scarlett Johansson. They're not working. They're not, they're not just doing it because, like, they want to be in the movie. They're all getting paid, probably on the front and some on the back end as well. Right? Then there's this long and winding script.

And you're like, man, I mean, think about you're in the, you're in the pitch meeting for Infinity War. There's this and there's this and there's this and you got to know this. And you got to know all these other movies. Oh, God, I watched Infinity War. I'm just going to warn you here. I didn't actually love it. it because I haven't watched all the Avenger movies, right?

Like, I haven't seen Captain Avenger. Like, I didn't know, like, she, like, parachutes in. And people are cheering. And I'm like, who's she? It's Captain Avenger. Like, I'm sorry, I have wife, kids, life. Captain Marvel, sorry, Captain Avenger, Captain Marvel. Like, I don't even know.

I didn't even know her name. Captain Marvel comes in. Like, all right. Is she a new one? Was she in the con? I've never looked at a comic book in my life. I like Infinity Wars. I liked Endgame.

I got it. I understood it. Snap your fingers. Had the people die. Get the stones. They're back. They're there. You know, all of a sudden, the world was repopulated.

Sorry, I spoiled it for you. If you haven't seen it by now, that's on you, not on me. Okay. But, I mean, like, look, it was a gamble. And it was one that hit, much like the Yankees when they went out and got to Sherrod, C.C. And A.J. Burnett. End games made $2.74 billion. Billion dollars.

That's crazy money. But, you know, we've seen Waterworld flop before. And what was Waterworld? Kevin Costner at the peak of Kevin Costner. And, oh, yeah, by the way, it's kind of a look at what our future could, like, there's maybe a little bit of reality to it. Like, I don't know if the world were turning into Waterworld, but sea levels are rising. Polarized caps are, I'm not trying to freak you out here with being global warming

dude, but I'm just like, hey, there's some environmental changes going on, which are kind of troubling. It could have been a snapshot into our future with Kevin Costner leading the way, and this is Kevin Costner off of dances with the wolves, Kevin Costa. How did it do? They don't all hit, but big studios, take big swings, and sometimes have big hits. hell what's the what's the issue with baseball right now in terms of watchability more than one third of the time in major league baseball no one touches the ball other than the pitcher the hitter or the catcher right because more than a third of it's either walkout strike or home run because that's what baseball has become because of analytics right it's taking big swings and there's no longer hey choke up Two strikes, choke up, get close to the plate, and punch something out. Those days are done. Nobody bunts anymore.

Working my son on bunting there. They're like, what are you doing? It's like, well, he's got to learn how to bun. He's 10 years old. He's an all-star, you know? You get a pitcher that you guys are struggling to get on base. Like, let's not just take some big hacks. Let's find a way to get on base.

No, they don't do that anymore. Bunting should be outlawed by some people. You know how to beat the shift? Hit it over the shift. Baseball, they take big swings. Heck in basketball. Why do we shoot so many threes? Because the analytics tell you that three points is more than two points.

We take big shots. I mean, like, I would defend Steph Curry. People are like, well, Steph Curry hasn't hit a big shot in the fourth quarter or under 24 seconds to go down a couple of points. I've come up with some stats to show you that Steph Curry somehow is not as good to end-the-game player as LeBron James. That's because he's taking 30-footers with two hands in his face. He takes big swings.

and if you're LA Lakers, they've tried the rebuild thing. They did the whole draft pick thing. How did DeAngelo Russell work out for you? They hated him. He was the worst teammate that one coach told me he had ever seen in the NBA. He was young, he was immature, he didn't practice hard, and he got other young guys to go out with him at night. Oh, and he sold one of his teammates out on social media for cheating on his girl.

Outside of that, DeAngelo Russell was awesome with the Lakers. Julius Randall, I know he scored a bunch of points of New Orleans. Did they win any more games this year with Julius Randall? The answer is no. No. They liked him, but he wouldn't roll on a pick and roll, which wouldn't set up other people being open, so they bid a do to Julius Randall because he played essentially the same position as LeBron James and doesn't really change the game of the defense event. They just got rid of Lonzo Ball, who they think could be really good.

Like, they've tried the draft pick thing. For the last six years, they've tried to draft pick thing. How has that worked out? So they looked around and they're like, well, we could go through this whole process thing, or F it, we could just go out and get two of the five best players in the NBA. What do you think?

And you look at baseball, and you look at basketball, and you look at movies, and you look at industry. I mean, what did Disney do to try and combat Netflix? You know, we could get our own shows that get super popular,

get our own movies, or we could buy all of Fox's shows and combine them with ours. That was a whole hell of a lot easier than having our own net, like, that's a genius plan. Let's just buy the competition, combine the two, and then go against Netflix. How is that any different? It's not. This is what big companies, big franchises do. And it doesn't always work, because LeBron is 34. He is, he's 34 years old.

He could very well get hurt. He got hurt for the first time. It was a soft tissue injury. It was a groin. But a groin this year could be an Achilles or could be a knee or could be a hip. Could be a million things next year. Anthony Davis has had some Nixon brusus. Or, you know, look, they're two big guys.

It's kind of become a guards game if they don't pick the right guards or if the guards get hurt. Like all these things could. But there is enough history that tells you that we're, when you're one of the preeminent franchises in sports, you take a big swing. You don't always hit, but sometimes you end up with endgame. Sometimes you end up with end. Rick Buecker joins the show upcoming next.

I'll ask him the exact same question I asked of Nick Wright. In the last week, we have had a massive, massive change in the NBA. Can he remember a week where we've had such change? and what now for the Warriors? What now for KD? And who's going to be the next Laker? A bunch of stuff to get to with Rick Bucher coming next in the herd.

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This is The Heard on Fox Sports Radio app. Colin, by the way, supposed to be on vacation. He's constantly on me, but hey, sometimes, you know, you just got to disconnect. Just disconnect. And just be. Just be. So, of course, on his first day of vacation,

he tweets out, for the record, I don't buy for a second that Kauai Leonard will be a Laker, huge financial sacrifice. He deserves the most a player can make. All of it guaranteed. Colin, I got this. Don't worry. Back to your newspaper.

Having your tea. Feels like a brand muffin. And the lovely Ann's probably making to meet a brand muffin. Colin, you need a brand muffin. You know, brand. at your age. You need to brand, cleanse yourself a little bit.

Yeah. It could be some sort of like spinach, artichokey, brandy sort of cleansing type of thing. Maybe that's what it is. She's got him on a cleanse, and that's why he's already upset

at the Kauai letter thing. I don't buy it either. But you know who would know? NBA insider Rick Buecker, he joins the show. Bukle, let's, let me start with this. I pointed this out yesterday on my show.

You go back to before, game five. And you had the thought, I had the thought, Katie comes back, dude gets all, he comes in on a white horse, gets all the respect he deserves, they can come back and win the series. He tears his Achilles, but the Warriors still win. You go to Game 6, Clay tears his ACL, they nearly win the game, they don't. Now the Warriors,

now the Warriors feel like they're, at least this machination of them is done. And because they're not going to be competitive for a year. then now a sudden KD, his options become a little bit more limited because teams that like Clippers and Brooklyn that want to win now, that doesn't feel like nearly as interesting a home. And then you have the Raptors winning, and I don't know if it changes Kauai,

but if this doesn't change Kauai, nothing will. The fact that an entire country is begging him to stay for one to five years. And then you add in Anthony Davis getting treated for this boatload of picks and players. over the last, can you remember a week in which so much of the future, the very near future of the NBA has changed, some because of games, but a lot because of injury and one trade? Well, so here's the thing. Having everything thrown up in the air, having questions raised about the future, yes, I'm still waiting to see how much is actually going to change as a result. If Kauai was going to stay in Toronto, for example, knowing that the entire country wants him to stay, he didn't have to win a championship to do that. In some ways, it almost makes it easier for him to exit stage left because he's given them the ultimate prize.

It's a little bit like LeBron in Cleveland when he came back the second time. He went to championship. Everybody that I talked to in Cleveland, they weren't begrudging him that he was leaving. It was like, okay, he came back. He fulfilled his promise. It wasn't even a promise from Kauai. So when it comes to KD, you know, do the injuries change his view as far as, is there a reason he would stay at Golden State now? I don't see that.

If anything, kind of the way this is played out, it's probably more impetus for him to leave. So I need to see how much is really going to change. even sure that the market necessarily changes for KD because of the concern with Tyree and the teams that are involved, that there's the great potential of that being a package deal. And as you and I would suspect, I know that GMs feel the same way. Kyrie Irving can't be the best player on my team. He can't be the leader on my team. They've already seen how that played in Boston, and they're not going to replicate

it someplace else. You bring up, Kyrie. I started the show talking about this. Like, we have to think it's at least a little bit curious. His ghosting of Boston does feel a little bit like Boston trying to make him look like the bad guy, although he's doing a pretty good job of making himself look like the bad guy. But the second that the Anthony Davis trade went down, my guys within the Lakers were like, Kamba's our first target.

and everyone else who has connections with the team seems to think the same. And then there's no talk of Kyrie anymore. Whether or not he'd considered it or not, it's not even like they're really thinking about making a push. It's let's get Kemba. If we can't get Kemba, we'll go to the Darren Collison, you know, second tier type of guys, the Patrick Beverly's of the world. Doesn't that signal to everyone on earth that Kyrie is,

carries that 10 who's available on match.com, right? He's he's incredibly talented. He's incredibly beautiful in the women parallel, but he's crazy. He's the woman that doesn't have

that doesn't get to primary custody of her own children. Like, right? There's something kind of off there. I'm just glad that we moved on to this because I was trying to get spinach artichoke brand muffins out of my head. I was struggling the first part of the show.

No, honestly, I believe you can interpret it that way, but I believe that the real reason that the Lakers aren't making a hard push for him is because they know that he's locked into Brooklyn, or at least New York. And I don't, the Knicks, supposedly that's still a play for K.D. and Kyrie to be there. This is where it's difficult because I know that those guys have talked, and there's the plan to play together. That's where does KD's injury influence things. And again, I'm not sure that it does for either Brooklyn or New York.

You're right in terms of win now mode. But if you're going to invest in Kyrie, then you want to know that you're going to get another player that you would look to as the leader of that team. And if Katie's willing – I put it this way. If Katie is willing to go to either New York or Brooklyn, And with Kyrie, I would expect that both teams would accept both of them, and they would wait a year on Katie, even knowing that Kyrie is your guy for a year. I mean, that can be problematic in terms of what you're going to get through this year with Kyrie being your leader and where that would leave you. But I just, I feel as if the reason that the Lakers are moving on is because they know that Kyrie has settled into the idea that he's going to be in New York. I felt like Rome fell last week, right?

That if you look at the Warriors, that as much as we want to believe kind of like Jordan, right, the Jordan Bulls, they had the year and a half respite where he went to baseball. And though it was still him and Pippin, a lot of the other pieces changed, right? Like Rodman was in where Horace Grant was previously, and Luke Longley was in where Bill Wennington. was and others were previously and and ron harper was was in where you know previously they had had paxton and bj armstrong and steve kerr was there where armstrong and and paxon left but i look at the warriors and as much as i believe step is an incredible transcendent pro and clay thompson will be back by the time he's back step is 32 right by the time he's back they got to decide on Draymond.

Igwadal is probably retired. Sean Livingston's retired. Like, yep. What do the, let's start with, what do the warriors do in the short term? What do they do in the long term?

Well, I add the fact that they're going into a brand new building in San Francisco. Right. So on one level, you have to maintain. You have to re-up clay. And I get the sense that Joe Lakov is, just from an emotional standpoint,

wants to keep Clay there for everything that Clay has done. whether it's running onto the court to shoot the free throws or just his whole demeanor, his connection with Steph. Joe has talked about that for the better part of this year. So you're reupping him. KD's not back. You're exactly right in that Andre Godala's a year away from retirement. Sean Livingston may very well hang it up this year.

And I think this is the great distinction between this team and the Bulls is that when the Bulls came back, and they put the band back together around Scotty and Michael, they were still playing the same game. This is, the Warriors dominated with a small ball game that everybody has caught up to, and now it's changed. And now I believe that depth and versatility, which is really where they started, is I don't believe that the two, three superstar nucleus,

fill it in with a bunch of veterans is the model for where we are right now. I'm not even sure that the Warriors actually fit that model when you think about it. Because of our, we look at Dremond and Steph and Clay and the perennial All-Stars, but they're really unique superstars in that they became superstars because they fit each other so well. I don't know that any of them that they would be, that they would be, you put someplace else with other guys that they would have achieved all that they've achieved. Yeah, it's funny how that it will translate, okay, because you'll get the average fan that

doesn't understand, they'll say you're a haters, right? You're a hater. But the fact is that Draymond Green is super valuable because he doesn't have to score to be incredibly effective. And he is kind of their point guard and allows Steph Curry to be both point guard and shooting guard, do a little bit of both. And Draymond and others are so good defensively, they can hide for Steph Curry and Steph can just sneak around and try and get like it all kind of works together. They really are great as a collective

but their flaws are made more apparent as individuals and it will be fascinated to see if there is in fact a next wave and you know who gets voted off the island. Do they, you know, that's a that's a really, really hard decision that they're going to have

to make in the future. Agreed. No, it's going to be challenging because you get Steph and Draymond carrying the load next year and at a point where we saw all these guys breaking down physically. I said at the beginning of the year. I felt that the champion was going to come out of the east because the Warriors, unlike a year ago, when they were all dinged up, they survived the West and then they got maybe the

easiest team that they played in the finals. And this year it was going to be the exact opposite. And now you have these guys that are just worn to the nub. and they have less help. I mean, you saw how guys were, Katie goes out, now everybody's suddenly breaking down. It's,

that's not, that's not coincidence. And so I really, I'm curious to see where Steph and Dremond are at the end of next season. You know, what's, what's Clay coming back to?

And is there the possibility? They haven't, they haven't added a new, young, quality player. I suppose you could put Kavanaughan Looney, but that's a, unique piece in terms of what he does.

But they really haven't, they haven't added a dynamic young player in four or five years. They've been running with the same crew. And so the cupboard is a bit bare moving forward. You mentioned the two superstar thing. That's what the Lakers are betting on, right? And it's risky when you have LeBron coming off of injury at 34. It's risky when you have Anthony Davis, who's had some injuries. And he's also a big guy.

big guys do break down. What do you think ultimately they'll actually add to that? Because they have kind of a blank slate here and they have no picks. Well, you know, I'm sure my belief is that Rajan Rondo will be back for whatever that's worth. They're going to have, I would imagine that they'll kick the tires on guys like, you know, does Trevor Riza have anything left, Damari Carroll, Dante Cunningham. They could have taken, they could have had Corey Brewer last year and didn't, but they're going to look for vets that want to go along for the ride in L.A.

But this is where the chemistry becomes a real issue. Number one, the chemistry, because you're going to have guys like Kuzma, okay, so where do I play in this mix? And can we get vets that are okay going along with AD and LeBron dominating everything and we're just filling in you have to be successful for them to go along with with that and then the other question is are you still if you're not signing another guy third guy with the money that you have are you trying to keep that for next year maybe take a run at a draymond green or another vet that is a

free agent next year that's going to play into it too so there's there's still a lot of work to be done. Yes, they can fill in, but you're going to have to guess right in terms of who has what left. Danny Green, unrestricted free agent. Do you make a play for him? And can you do any of that on one-year deals that would still give you an option of going after another name next year? But my feeling is Toronto has demonstrated to us what the new template is, which is, yeah, I need a start. I need somebody who can close for me or who can lead the pack. But after that, the versatility and the depth of my roster is going to be more important because of the pace that the game has played now.

And guys are going to physically break down otherwise. So I need to have some range where I can continue to compete, even if I lose one or two of my regular rotation players. No, it's a fascinating point you make. A couple of quick hitters. Any reason to think Kauai doesn't choose the clippers? As of right now, I don't. They're the leader in the clubhouse. You mentioned the Toronto situation.

My understanding is that New York is his league going to get a conversation with him. But I would expect that the clippers are the odds on favorites. And if he goes to the clippers, I like them better than the Lakers, as is right now. Wow, because of the depth. They got to re-sign Patrick. They got to re-sign Patrick Beverly, do some other stuff. Yeah, they've got some questions to answer too, but I just, I like where they were at the end of last year. And Kauai fits right in with everything else that they have as far as the dynamics of that team.

Al Horford opted out today. $30 million means he wants to re-sign. What does Boston look like next year? That's a, it's, they are a fascinating team for me because can they recapture the magic of, a year ago. Certainly I would expect that they're going to bring Horford back. It's really going to come down to the growth of some of their young guys,

which were stunted for a year. I'm not feeling Terry Rozier in terms of the attitude that he displayed. I'm still looking to see Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum take another step forward. But chemistry-wise, it actually could be. better in a way next year if they bring everybody back. But they still need that one piece, which was what Kyrie was supposed to be, which is that ultimate closer guy. Can Jason Tatum step into that?

He had a shot at as a rookie and came up a little bit short. Can he take the next step? That might be your answer. Great stuff. Rick Buecker, you can check him out this Thursday night, special draft show. Chris Broussard, Rick Buecker, Jason McIntyre. 7 o'clock Eastern, 4 o'clock Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. It coverage the entirety of the first round.

Plus, with Buecker and Broussard, you're getting all the insight you could possibly want, and probably some you don't even want, during the coverage of the NBA draft. Great stuff. We'll look forward to hearing you Thursday night. You got it, Chuck. It's Rick Buecker joining us from Fox Sports One and Bleacher report. Let's get to John Gullet with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. After Kawhi Leonard became a raptor, he had sort of an awkward moment with the media that by now everyone has seen and heard a million times. Well, it turns out not only did Kauai get the last laugh by winning a title, but we found out at the parade yesterday, he can also laugh at himself a little bit. Enjoy this, enjoy this moment, and have fun with it. Aha, ha, ha, ha, ha. actually makes him seem a little more normal. He's more guarded. He might actually be a human being.

Right. He's Darth Vader. There is actually a human somewhere inside there, not just the machine. Forget what you think he will do. Where do you want him? What do you want him to do? Do you want him to say in Toronto and run it back and try to win back to back? Or do you want him to go to the clippers and be the greatest one and done ever in professional sports?

Well, that's a great question. I kind of want him to go to the clippers. I want him to go to the clippers. Is that because you live? in Southern California. No, no. Just because, look, I was raised in Southern California. Right. And one night as a gag in high school,

we decided, like, a scavenger hunt, first person to go and find somewhere you could buy Clipper gear would win the scavenger hunt. All right. Nobody could do it. No one's won yet. Now you can, you can find some clip. There is Lobb City. There's still

some leftovers there. Like, somewhere there's a Blake Giffin or D'Andre Jordan, Jersey at, at, like, at Macy's where you can pick up for $9.99. Like the Clippers had never been past the second round. And their plan is a sound one. Let's go and get the toughest best hombres. Let's go and get a championship caliber coach,

go and have the greatest advisor in the history of the NBA. Lawrence Frank comes over. He got kicked to the curb by Jason Kidd, and he's done an amazing job as president of the Clippers. They got all lined up. They got an owner who's willing to like, I'll do whatever it takes to get it done. And they get Kauai Leonard,

and win? Like, I would love to, that would be amazing because the idea that anyone who's grown up in Los Angeles would choose the clippers over the Lakers is remarkable in of itself. And then if that choice ends up ending in a championship, it would be the greatest story in the history of sport, but if I'm, how I'm concerned. And finally, Anthony Davis has a $4 million trade kicker in his contract that he could waive if you wanted to save his new team some money. According to Ramona Shelbourne, though, of ESPN, he will not be doing. doing that. Now, I guess he could change his mind if the Lakers told him, hey, straight up, Kauai comes. If you waive that, we can give him more money or maybe a Kamba Walker. It also

brings up another interesting conflict to me. Anthony Davis is a clutch client. So he would have to waive this not only cost clutch money, but it would make it feel like Rich Paul is just running things for LeBron. It would be rich sacrificing his own money and one of his client's money in order to make sure LeBron got another player. It seems a little fishy to me. I mean, look, if you get sacrificed. I mean, the argument is like, look, it's $4 million, but it's actually $2 million plus it's a little bit less than $2 million

when you take out how much Rich Paul gets. It's $2 million really worth not getting another player or two? The answer is no. You're going to make it up when he signs the big contract to the end of next year. And by the way, LeBron can make it up to him, which is how much he gets him paid for, for starring in Space Jam.

So, yes, there's a conflict there. And that's part of the issue with how much say does Clutch sports have in the Likers. And I think that's one of the reasons that they weren't that crazy about giving Tailu the job. They didn't want the appearance, the appearance of clutch repping and having ties to everybody. So we'll see. I would expect them to turn down that trade. Just because he expect, just because as of now, that's the plan. Well, you'll turn it down if you're telling me we're getting someone.

If you're not getting someone, then I'll take my $4 million. It's in the contract. Yeah. Yep. There's a way you can make that up playing in Los Angeles, though. Yeah, true. And that's John Goulet with the news. Well, that's the news.

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at a Pod Meets Twirled for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to Pod Meets Twirled on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, there's a lot of talk. Doug Gottlieven for Collins to Hurd. There's a lot of talk that, well, you know, the Lakers gave up too much. And I would contend that they probably did.

Darius Garland has a very good shot at being not just the number four pick, but maybe the number three pick. Apparently, there's going to be a late workout here for the New York Knicks, Jonathan Gavoni, from Draft Express. has tweeted out there's going to be a late a lot of these late workouts. Of course Darius Garland was the star freshman. Only played a handful of games for Vanderbilt.

I had a meniscal tear and shut it down for the season. What I was told was he had a workout for the Lakers and that it was they've had the two most impressive workouts they've had over the last five years were Donovan Mitchell. Remember that was the year they drafted Lanzo Ball, Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland. They said

Darrys Garland, the long-range perimeter shooting, was Damien Lillard-like. Like, just unbelievable. So I understand the idea that, you know, you got to give to get. No one's ever going like, you know what, the Lakers won Anthony Davis? Here, here you go. But you probably did. Did you have to give up the number four pick? Like, did you have to?

By the way, this whole timeline of things, part of it is because they want the pick in order to potentially trade the pick before. The draft goes down or a draft day trade. Part of it is they actually want Lonzo Ball to work with them. He's never had an offseason where he's gotten to work as an NBA offseason. It's always been heard last couple years. So, but had they held on to the pick, some of this timeline stuff wouldn't be as big a factor. And they'd have more space within the luxury, the salary cap, regardless of which, they gave up a bunch.

Not the kitchen sink, right? They still Kyle Kuzma. And by the way, we can roll back the tape at the time, both on Collins show, on my show, the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio, which follows this show, on all ball, my all basketball podcast, which is on the herd podcast network, on various TV shows, I was like, look, if it's really being offered where it's Lonzo and Ingram and Hart and Zubach and Kyle Kuzma, and if you don't take that, you're an idiot, Del Delt. Demps. Like, take all of that. I don't know. I don't believe that was all being offered,

but I thought that was as good at offers you're going to get. That did kind of play out. I get ton of future picks is great potentially for the Pelicans. But did you pay too much? And the answer is no. No. It's like a, it's like a Picasso. It's like those, is it America, is it Visa ads? Was it MasterCard ads? Like, you know, MasterCard, right? something's priceless? Like, what is, there's, it's like the experience you have with your son. Like, I took my son to the final four this year.

And we're sitting there midcourt, and I'm watching the national championship game, and he's into it and I'm into it. There's no price I can put on the experience of, and I asked him, like, what's your favorite part of the final four? He's like, honestly, dad, we fell asleep watching a movie. That was cool. There's no price you can put on that.

There's no price you can put on unique experiences, on unique people, on unique works of, art. And there aren't any other Anthony Davis's. Wildly considered top five, maybe the best player in the league going back to last year. So did they pay too much? Not really, because they're buying something that's priceless. Wait to you hear how Aaron Rogers is doing in a new system. That's next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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When are you getting your own show? Like, man, I hit my own show for a loving year. You know what I mean? And then you'll get other people that only listen to your show and never hear you on Colin or like both. But when you're out in public, no one ever says the things that people say to you on Twitter, right? No one is going to go like, God leave you suck. I would prefer dead air to you and you fill in for Cowherd. By the way, that's not really quality feedback.

You suck is not quality feedback, nor is your awesome quality feedback. Quality feedback is like, here's a like, here's an idea for how you can make what I didn't like, more what I like, right? And there are actually gentlemen who do it for a living. There's a guy named Rick Scott. Scott Mass Teller, who I used to work with. Great, unbelievable feedback. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

I listen to this, listen that. You won this quarter hour, half hour, whatever. This is good. Bad teas. Throw this away. Do this again. It's amazing. But here's the interesting thing about feedback.

And I'm sure you have this at your job. Man, I just wish somebody would tell me if I'm doing a good job, I'm doing a bad job. I kind of wish I had somebody who come in when I make the presentation to the doctors, if you're in like striker, like medical sales. When I sit down with that, I kind of wish there was like a, there was my boss with me, but not my boss. just somebody who could say like, you know, you came on kind of strong here. You're weak. Do this better.

More of this lesson. Like, who doesn't want feedback until you actually get it? Right. I made the statement, and there was some talk last year this time. You know where LeBron James should go? He should go to the San Antonio Spurs. See, LeBron James has never had a Hall of Fame caliber coach. And Greg Popovich is arguably the greatest coach in the history.

of the NBA and in arguably the most accomplished coach and respected coach currently in the NBA. And with that, he should go to the spurs. You combined the greatest player of this generation with the greatest coach of this generation in form of force field. That was the idea. And when I said to Colin then, when I said to you now, is that would never work. Because the first rule of the first rule of. of playing for the spurs.

The first rule is you got to get over yourself. And LeBron James is a lot of things. He is a magnificently talented basketball player. He's a great passer. He's not even a true, pure score, and he could very well end up the greatest score in the history of the NBA. That's how good he is.

But you know what he's not? He is not over himself. Nor will he ever be over himself. I mean, even the, hey, I'd really like Tyron Liu to coach me. Tyrone Lou knows how to coach LeBron James. Do we think he's given LeBron James true feedback? Everyone says they want feedback until they get feedback that says that's not any good. Your way of doing it is not the best way of doing it.

The feedback most people want is, hey man, you are awesome. More of you, less of other people. people, right? That's a very natural thing. We want affirmation and confirmation. We don't want somebody to, we don't want somebody to make us feel like what we've been doing, what we have trained ourselves to do somehow isn't good enough. The key to succeeding and excelling in life is taking in feedback, which is coaching. Are you willing to be coached? Are you willing to step out of your own ego? Get over yourself and go like, hey, how I've been doing it, not be the best way. Maybe there's a new way. Maybe there's a better way, which takes us to Green Bay.

Matt LaFleur is the new head coach. To be totally candid, I'm not sure most of us could have picked Matt LaFleur out of a lineup before he got the Green Bay job. Hell, the truth is, most of you can't pick Matt LaFleur out of a lineup after he got the Green Bay job, right? But he comes from the L.A. Rams, and he's a quarterback guru. There's a full story written by Mike Silver. Now, Mike Silver works for the NFL network. He's a long-time NFL writer. He also has a long-time connection as a Cal-Bare alum with the greatest Cal-Ber alum football player, Aaron Rogers. Wait to hear this quote from Aaron Rogers to Mike Silver. It's a conversation in progress. I don't think you want to ask me to turn off 11 years

of recognizing defenses. We have a number of check with me's and line of scrimmage stuff it's just the other stuff that's really not many people in this league can do. It's not like a humble brag or anything. It's just a fact. There aren't many people that can do at the line of scrimmage what I've done over the years. I mean, obviously Tommy, he didn't they say Tom Brady. He said obviously Tommy can do it, no doubt. Peyton could do it.

Drew can do it. Mahomes will be able to do it. do it. Ben has called the two minute for years. There are just a few of us who've done it. It's kind of second nature. And it's just the icing on the cake of what I can do in this offense. Matt LaFleur said, Aaron and I have had some good talks and we're going to have more a lot more. And one thing we have to work through is the audible thing. We're running a system. I first picked up while working with Kyle Shanahan in Houston a decade ago. We never really had a quarterback who's had complete freedom to change plays in line of scrimmage because that's

not really the way the offense is set up. But I mean, this is Aaron Rogers. He's had a lot of freedom to make those calls and deservedly so. Now, how do we reconcile that? And we get to a place where we can put them in the best positions to succeed. Basically, the Kyle Shanahan, which is now the Matt LaFleur system, right? And if you've worked with Kyle Shanahan or, you know, if you worked in L.A. or you worked in San Francisco, if you worked with either one of those two guys, that somehow you're a quarterback guru.

And part of this is on Brian Gunnkundas. I can't even say his last name, and I'm not going to try. Gudikunst. There we go. Did I did it? Gazentai? Gunnkunds.

Who's the general manager of the Packers? Like, shouldn't this have kind of be vetted? Like, hey, you know, Aaron Rogers likes to call the own plays at the line of scrimmage. He kind of, that's kind of Aaron Rogers. And I'm sure at the time, Matt LaFleur is like, yeah, we got audibles. We got one play or the other play and you pick the plays. And somewhere in between the two is the soft landing, right?

Aaron Rogers wants to call any play he wants. Mat LaFleor is like, no, you can call A or B, not C, D, or XYZ. But dude, Aaron Rogers, like, can you at least see how it goes for, I don't know, one practice against live defense in a full contact drill in training camp? Could you see how it works in one preseason game? Could you maybe let it play out for, I don't know, four, five, six games in the actual NFL season before you deem it to not bring out the best in your skill set? You know, I've been doing this for 11 years.

That would sound like me. This guy named Jerry Madelan I used to work with at the old place. He now does this for a living. And if he gives me a write-up of things he liked that he did like that he gets paid to do, and I go, you know, Jerry, I've been doing this for 11 years. There's no more arrogance that's saying, I know more about this than you do. Hey, wasn't the whole idea of changing coaching staffs to get somebody who could coach Aaron Rogers out of simply freelancing all the wasn't that the whole idea?

What was that? I was on the show. I've heard all the different commentary. Wasn't that the whole thing? And like, the thing for Aaron Rogers is, either you want to be coach or you don't want to be coached. And to not wait, we got through one set of OTAs,

one set of mandatories, and you've already deemed this as, I ain't going to let me audible. Let me go to my favorite writer who's a six, a fan for everything I do. I mean, like, look, I mean, Silver thinks, Mike Silver thinks that Aaron Rogers walked on water.

And I'll be honest with you, I've seen him walk on water. As I told you, there's a cow connection. Look at, if you go and look at the Twitter avatar, Twitter avatar for Mike Silver, it's him getting blown off by Aaron Rogers running off the field. It's been that avatar for like a decade. So the second I don't like the new offense, I go to my favorite writer.

I complain about the new offense because I don't get to audible the way I want to audible. Tommy gets to audible the way he wants to audible. And Ben gets to audible the way he wants to audible. And all these other guys get to, why don't I get to audible? Matt LeFleuhrer saying like, dude, I've been here a month.

By the way, Matt Ryan won the MVP in the system. And by the way, Jimmy G got the biggest contract at the time in the history of the sport in this system. And by the way, we just went to the Super Bowl with Jared Gough in a form of this system. Like, can you give it a couple of months? Aaron Rogers doesn't want to be coached. Aaron Rogers doesn't want feedback. He wants a new coach to come in and go, hey, Aaron, listen, I know I've been studying this game for my entire professional life. I know I's hired for my offensive acumen and my quarterback working skills, but here, here's the whistle, here's the clipboard.

You do it. Because you've been doing 11 years. You want to call defense a place too? Because, you know, 11 years, you've been a quarterback so you know what the defense should look like. You know how they should move around and trick quarterbacks, right? I mean, Tommy does that and Ben does that. Like, what are we seven or eight? Like this is what I have with my 10-year-old.

son. Why do I have to go to bed? Devon goes to bed at 9.30, like, because you're, you go to bed at 8.30 because you wake up at 6 a.m. every morning. If you go to bed at 10, you wake up at 6. You go to bed at 9, you wake up at 6. You go to bed at 7, you wake up at 6. And if I get you in bed at 830, you're not asleep to 9, 9, 9.15. Trust me, I know what I'm doing. I've done, I've been a parent now for over 13 years. And oh, yeah, because I said so. Sorry, got to play that card every now because I said so. But to superstar Aaron Rogers, who didn't like the fact that his previous coach felt like

wasn't that smart, didn't work that hard, kind of mailed it in, right? That was the whole narrative that came out of Green Bay about Mike McCarthy. Ah, Mike McCarthy's not that smart, kind of lazy, you know, he mails it in. Aaron Rogers freelances back there because he doesn't have. that good all the routes are the same there's not that much thinking all right we brought in a real legitimate coach who really wants to kind of change and evolve with you

nah I want to do what I've done for 11 years because Tommy gets to do what he's done for 11 years and Ben gets to do what he's done for 11 years and I was like I like Aaron Rogers I think is incredible incredible

but this is a lot like the the Kyrie Irving thing like just because you're 10 doesn't mean you need to walk around like you're at 10. Boy, one set of workouts, one set of OTAs, and kind of limited by this whole, I only get to pick from two plays instead of the whole playbook thing. Hey dude, you got to pick the whole playbook. Had it work out for the last couple years. All right, coming up next here in the herd.

There's a big time free agent this off-season. on the surface, much like Aaron Rogers, looks like the perfect player and the perfect fit. And yet, one perfect landing spot does not appear to be opened for his airplane to arrive. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day,

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Good. Did you guys hear Brooks Kefka's never had a, never had a warm drink in his life. Did you hear this Gule? He's never had a warm drink in his life. It was a very odd thing to have never experienced. It wasn't, I don't like them. I've never had one.

Yeah. My wife is not a warm drink person either, just for the record. Like she just doesn't, she's like, I don't dig them. I don't like hot tea. I don't like, she doesn't like coffee. She doesn't like warm drink anything. And what's interesting, having played basketball professionally in Russia, they actually have the opposite view of like a Brooks Kepka,

which Bruce Kepa is like the picture of golf fitness, which is kind of an oxymoron, right? Golf fitness is oxymoron. But in Russia, they don't serve cold drinks at meals. That's how dead giveaway for knowing you're an American is if you want like a cold Coca, Coca Cola, with like an ice cube. Because otherwise it's all hot tea or hot chai

or like room temperature water. the only thing that's cold sometimes is like borsh in the summer is cold in the winter it's warm they believe it's bad for your digestion so he wouldn't he wouldn't fit in well in russia do you have anything you'd like to share that you've never had like he's literally never had this never had this because it it does it's one of the things as a parent that you're like you don't tell me you don't like anything when you haven't tried it like i know i don't like it like all right you try it and by the way you try it and by the way trying it at different times in your life.

Like my brother didn't like, wouldn't try seafood or fish when we were kids. Didn't like it. Couldn't stand it. He used to say that oysters tasted like a lugi. Oysters tasted like a lugi. And you know, if you

squish it around your mouth a little bit, you kind of, okay, it tastes a little better than a lugi, but I got it. Now can't get enough of this stuff. Can't get enough. Anything you want to share, Goulet? It wouldn't be a never tried because I've had a sip but I've never had a soda

what? Never like tried like a you know never had a soda like I've tried like a you know Coke or like any kind of cola you've tried them spit no not them all hate it won't do it out okay first of all good for you second of all you got to try a Dr. Pepper

you got to try a Dr. Pepper this is like the this feels like the this feels like the Tirmissue conversation in Slapeus in Seattle. Like, what is it? What if she asked me to do it? And I don't know how. Just tear me sue.

Just try it. Trust me about this one. Anyway, like, have you had a root beer float? Nope, never. I didn't like it as a kid and then you get to your, you get a little older. It's not good for you. You're like, wait, the thing I don't like is actually, like, unhealthy. Like, that's amazing.

It's the one healthy thing that I do is not drink soda. It's amazing because, I mean, you talk about the changes. Like, again, parents, like, you're so petrified over what your kid's drinking. And then you're like, wait a second. I grew up, like my dad used to, in shocker, he became a type two diabetic, right? It was like he'd play racquetball matches. And then he'd grab like a Coke and some French fries for energy. It's like the worst thing you could ever have, loaded up with salt.

Yeah. But I remember like I used to, I used nothing like a Coke hole. My kids have it. And you would think, like, you know how your buddies look at their favorite IPA or your wife? likes her favorite glass of shard. That's how my kids, when they get a chance at a soda, they're like, Dad, can we have soda? Every like once in a while, you're like, yes.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And it's, I taste it out, and yeah, it's gross, with the exception of Dr. Pepper, well, A&W root beer, occasional sip of coat. But you've never, you've never had a full can as an adult? Not even close. Yeah, I know. Like a sip.

What about, like, mixed with, like, rum and Coke? No. If I don't like Coke, why would I order a rum and Coke? I don't know. Like, when you order alcohol, do you? You never have a mixed drink or do you only have wine or beer? Or do you only have like vodka tonic? I'm a beer guy, so I just always order beer.

I don't like IPAs. I think they taste like piss. I just, I do. I think they're disgusting. They're bad. You're not a beer guy from what I remember. I will drink a beer. Like, honestly, Petros is a Petros Papadakis is on the afternoon's here.

He loves a Michelada. Who doesn't love? Like a Michelot is an amazing drink. A shanty, an amazing drink. You know what shanty is? It's like a, it's like a, it's like, uh, it's like, uh, a very light beer, and then you mix it with, I think, like, lemonade. Shandy.

Shandy? Yeah. I thought it was a shanty. Whatever. Shanty might be like a broken down cottage. A shandy is a... Anyway, I think those are quite refreshing, especially East Coast hot muggy. Do I sit down and go like, give me a beer?

Like, nah, not really how I roll. Not really how I roll. My point was that if you're not really a big beer guy, IPAs are not for you. Okay. IPAs when you're like, okay, I've exhausted the... the limits of bush light. I need to go something a little more quality.

I exhausted the limits of bush light. I just, I'm not a huge, not an IPA guy at all. I do not get. It's one of those things like I do not get. I don't get it. I don't get it. It's Star Trek guys. I don't get you.

Like really, Star Trek? Star Wars, I get. Good, evil. There's a certain like, all right, you know, I can. speak Klingon. You didn't have many friends growing up or now.

Let's get to John Gule with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. I think that was the news that you don't like Star Trek guys or IPA. That's the big news. Yesterday, we got some fun rumors, kind of started by

Damon Jones, that Kauai Leonard was seriously considering the Lakers, which sounds like a super fun video game line up. And then Adrian Ward Janowski quickly made sure to put that fire out. Take a listen. Kauai Leonard's focused on Los Angeles, but it's the Clippers, not the Lakers. Number one, they don't have the money to sign him. And two, the idea of him being a third wheel on a team trying to create a super team, that has not been Kauai's M.O. The Clippers are poised

to be able to lure him from Toronto. This will be a Raptors' Clippers fight down the end. He may take meetings with more teams, it's not even certain he'd even take a meeting with the Lakers. I think when you have Woad saying he might not meet with them, that tells you that signing with them is completely out of the question, especially when the best pitch they probably have, at least before Anthony Davis was, well, it's in L.A. Well, so are the clippers, so that's nullified. Hey, do you want to have to fit in with LeBron and AD, or do you want to come here and do the same thing you're doing in Toronto, just with warmer weather? And with a championship, where the coaches won a championship? Sure. And they,

They have some caps bit, like, you know, they're losing a couple players, but they can build a very similar team to Toronto. A bunch of role guys and you're the star. The only question would be, are they cool with them taking 20 games off a year? And I would think if I'm the clippers, yeah, I'll deal with it. Yeah. If it makes us relevant, I'll deal with it. I think so as well. Look, it'll be fascinating because if you really want to think about it, you're like, well, why would I, why would I leave a country that loves, like, they love Vince Carter, who,

quit on them. And never came close to winning a title. Right. They loved Chris Bosch, who they didn't win anything with. Put on them. They loved Tracy McGrady. He wasn't even that good when he played there yet. No.

Damon Stadermann. These guys are legends. By the way, like, they're so well-regard. And they're rightfully responsible. There's a huge amount of players from what's called the GTO, the Greater Toronto Area. G-G-T-A. Sorry, G-T-A, Greater Toronto Area.

that are now impacting the NBA. Tristan Thompson, Corey Joseph. Like, you just kind of go around the NBA. Anyway, so, like, Toronto has become this wellspring of basketball. They love Kauai. Like, he fits perfectly with them. He fits perfectly with the team. But it's not home, you know?

And the Clippers are like, and there has to be a certain confidence boarding on arrogance. You're quiet. Like, okay, so I won an MVP and won a title in San Antonio. I go to Toronto. I do the same thing. Why can't I do it with Clippers? Right? Plus, I'm going to say this right now.

I've been telling Colin for the last two years, Kevin Rant's best player in the NBA. But he tours Achilles tendon. Not going to play for nine months. So I will crown Kauai Leonard. Not just as the reigning finals MVP, I believe he is the best player in the NBA. LeBron James' defensive reputation precedes him,

but it's more reputation than reality. LeBron's become a good shooter, but he doesn't go by people. like Kauai scores any way you want. He's becoming a better passer. He's a tremendous defender. He's unafraid of taking to make the big shot. It is interesting, though.

He is getting a pass for game six NBA finals. He didn't score a point in the fourth quarter until there are 0.9 seconds to go, right? But I do believe that you can crown him the best current player in the NBA. It's kind of impressive because we had that debate with him and LeBron years ago. There were some people saying he was approaching

LeBron as best player, and now he actually has maintained to where he's now taking, it's him versus the guy that dethrone LeBron is the best player. Yeah. Yeah. One of the centerpieces to the Anthony Davis trade for the Pelicans was getting the fourth overall pick in Thursday's draft from the Lakers. However, according to Sham Sharania of the Athletic, that pick might belong to somebody else soon.

Pelicans GM David Griffin is reportedly interested in dealing for Wizard's shooting guard Bradley Beale. Now, clearly they have the assets now to pull off whatever trade they need to do. question is, does it, well, first of all, does it make any sense for the Wizards to trade the one thing they have? And does it make sense for the... Wizards don't have a GM right now. Correct. Tough to deal with someone who...

And then they also, they're not going to have John... We don't know when John Wall is going to come back on what he's going to be like. Right. The other question is, if you're the Pelicans, you're about... You have a young core and you have a teenager coming in with the first overall pick. Do you want to trade for a guy that's kind of more of a win-now player? Or would you rather just go, no, we're going to develop and see what we have. before we go dealing assets for veterans.

Look, you can get Brad Beale is, Brad Beal's only, he has to look at it up, 24, 25? Much younger than you would think he is. Here's a crazy, crazy fun fact. Brad Beal, 32 inch waist. Like, dude is the picture of what an athlete is supposed to look like. And total professional, plays hard every day at practice.

I love Brad Beale. You know, I'd be interested in what else, are they going to get out of the Drew Holiday sweepstakes? Is that what they mean? Right? Because do you need both of them? But I absolutely love the idea of the, you don't want to have just all young players, right?

You want to have kind of balance. Right. And I don't think Zion's, I believe Zion can really help you win right now, just not as your best player. Right. You know, he's a, he's going to be a different version of Draymond Green, who has some Blake Griffin to him, who has some LeBron to him a little bit of everything. So, yeah, I like it. And by the way, if there's ever a time which you can get a deal with the Wizards, now is the time.

They don't have a GM. Scotty Brooks, I think he's got like a year left or so. The John Wall contract's awful. Nobody knows if he'll return. They're a mess. They may have to scrap and start over. And finally, I think it's fair to say that New York Giants fans, are not been thrilled with drafting Daniel Jones quarterback in the first round.

At the Yankees game last night, Jones was shown on the Jumbotron at Yankee Stadium and was thoroughly booed by Yankees fans. He's not thrown a pass yet, but every report out of camp is he looks good, I guess when you don't play against defense, most people do. Giants fans being a little harsh, or is he the face of the Giants dysfunction for two years?

It's not his fault, but that's the face you associate with. it. Yeah. I mean, like, look, I think Dave Gettleman's the face of it, but yes, he's going to take a beating. They don't put him on camera. I just, I don't understand if you're a

giant's fan, like, look, if you're a Giants fan, they drafted him. It's over. Yeah. It's over. This is a lot like people still fighting the whole election thing, right? Like, Trump's the president. He's going to be president for at least the next two years. And there's a chance. He's a president for the next six years.

Right? So figure out a way to function and not, and not, like, that, That game is two years. You can't be like the Seahawks where one play call ends up derailing your franchise for years to come. That's the path the Giants are on. These same fans that you're in front of, how can you bench Eli Manning? Because he didn't like Gino Smith.

They should have bench Eli Manning. So now everybody's scared of Eli Manning. They're scared to name Daniel Jones or say that he's ever going to start. And now you're booing a guy? Like, the war has been fought. somebody won, somebody lost, he's your quarterback, deal with it. Well, and you know what would fix the Giants if Daniel Jones turns out to be good. Yes.

So why would you be booing him? You should be rooting for him. He's very important. I would tend to agree. That's John Galeigh with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news.

I've been married for 19 years in August. So many Some of my friends have made it Some my friends have been divorced And online dating is a thing And when you look at all these online dating ads Now granted They're TV ads or their internet ads

You're like man And there are some beautiful women That have gone through Married jerks You know or whatever And they're single and available And look What you want is

an eight or a nine who thinks she's a five or a six and wants to work her way into being a seven or eight or a nine. The problem with tens is they've been told they're tens. I've been told how perfect they are, how beautiful they are. And you get told it's like a guy who's told how smart and handsome. Isn't there that, isn't there a, wasn't there a, there's a show, something like Dirty John. is the guy's name, right?

Really good looking guy. Really good looking guy. Who just manipulated women for years before finally like some daughter like shot him. It was like based on a true story. It's kind of where Kyrie Irving is right now. Like Kyrie Irving,

I believe, is it Dirty John? Kyrie Irving is an amazing player in terms of talent. amazing player. Like his finishing shots, left hand, right hand, scoops, whatever. I mean, it's, it's uncanny.

Absolutely uncanny. He can pass. He's unafraid of taking and making the big shot. And he's competed at the highest level. He's won an NBA title and they did so coming from three games to one down. And while LeBron receives a ton of the claim, and he receives a claim for the big shot, make nobody points out the fact that he dominated that series once they were down three games

to one he along with lebron like just cranked it up offensively and took over sure there were other things bogot getting hurt draymond getting suspended etc but look he was great in the finals but i find this curious find this curious um the lakers trade for anthony davis and the first thing that comes out is kemba walker's their target and you might think to yourself well okay, that's because they don't have that much money. Like, no, Kemba Walker can make a Max deal. He might not get the Super Max from Charlotte, but he'll get the Max from somebody

or what equivalent to the Max in Charlotte, maybe just not the Supermax. So why would they all of a sudden want off of the Kyra, like, isn't it worth at least a conversation? Shouldn't it be, hey, they're going to take a look at Kyrie, take a look at Kemba, and everyone who's reporting on this, and I will tell you my own Intel.

inside the Lakers is, yeah, they'd like to get Kemba. If not, Patrick Beverly, you know, maybe a Darren Collison, spread that money around. What does that tell you about Kyrie Irving? Do you guys remember Matt Flynn? Remember Matt Flynn had that one game he started for the Packers? I think he threw six touchdown passes. And then Joe Philbin was his offensive coordinator, and Joe Philbin. took the job with the dolphins,

and he didn't offer Matt Flynn, and Matt Flynn went and signed with the Seahawks. They drafted Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson beat out Matt Flynn, which told you all you needed to know about what Joe Philbin thought about Matt Flynn. If he thought he was really good, he would have brought him with him to Miami to begin with.

Wasn't that much money? If LeBron and Rich Paul and Anthony Davis and the Lakers thought Kyrie Irving was worth the hassle, they'd at least leak it out there that we got Anthony Davis, now we want to move mountains and get Kyrie River. Why haven't you heard that? Because he's the crazy hot chick. Right?

He's the 10 that's been told he's a 10. Kyrie's smart, but he's not like some savant. He's not a dope. He's not an idiot, but he's not a rocket. If he's a rocket scientist, you know what he would be doing? Rocket Scientry. Look, here's a real story if you go back and watch. Go back and watch the Boston Celtics this year in the playoffs against the Milwaukee

bucks. There are several instances in important games when Kyrie Irving would switch off and he's going to guard Janice and Tenacupo. Did you notice that there were very few moments, if any, that Steph Curry matched up with Kauai Leonard or Steph Curry matched up with James Hardin? Do you know why? Because when they meet, no matter what it is, at the end of shot clocks, like, hey, we don't want to get Steph, our weakest defender, on their best player. That's a bad matchup for us. We're trying to hide Steph. We'll double in that case.

He might bluff at him and get back. And Steph completely by the reason Steph Curry is a three-time champion is because he knows who he is. Meanwhile, Kyrie is waving guys off. No, no, no. I got him. Meanwhile, the South is like, dude, our whole defense is designed around hiding you, not putting you on the league's MVP.

He doesn't know who he is, been told that he's great, been told that he's smart, thinks that he's great, thinks that he's smart. And all you need to know about the repaired relationship with LeBron is the second they got Anthony Davis and they won the third star, they thought about a point guard that starts with a K, Kemble Walker, not Kyrie Irving. He's the crazy hot chick. He's available on Match.com.

All right, coming up next, we're going to get in, the best for last. Anthony Davis has a new endorsement deal. It made us think of what our favorite of this variety is. That's upcoming next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Herd. One more Heard? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Heard to listen live or

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And I saw this, and maybe this will make up for the $4 million that Anthony Davis may have to turn down in order to get another player, right? His trade kicker, trade bonus, if you will, of $4 million, that Anthony Davis has, is the First, is that right? First NBA player to sign a deal with chips? I couldn't be right. Jordan or Magic had to have a deal with chips. Didn't they? Had to have a deal with chips.

So his deal with chips, he is now an official endorser of, what is it, ruffles with bridges? Ruffles with bridges. So that brought me to a chance to have the best for last. It's almost the end of the show. But that doesn't mean we're phoning it in.

Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. So what I thought we'd come up with is my five favorite kind of chips. And then we would discuss. Okay. Number five is, I would say it's not a potato chip, but it does have chip in its name. And it's basically the size of a chip and it's delicious.

And I feel like it's a new invention. whoever came up with the pita chip well done well done you took the pita which we all liked but sometimes you know they get stale and they're not great you take the chip that we like and sea salt which we're told is better for you than regular salt you combined it and it's delicious

you can dip it in hummus or you can have it on its own and Dennis love it because it'll cause you to crack your teeth and you have to go to the dentist it's not that hard it's not that hard a pita chip at number five at number four We'll go with salt and vinegar, kind of any variety. Now look, salt and vinegar is to chip the way that sour, anything is to candy, right? It fries your tongue, probably fries your teeth, but it's worth it.

It really is worth it. It wakes you up, and it's delicious. We'll go salt and vinegar. Salt and vinegar makes the list at number four. Number three. Number three, barbecue, and we'll go barbecue lays. Like, I don't know. And by the way, all these chips, especially barbecue lays good inside of a sandwich.

If you still do the sandwich thing, Frito's good inside a sandwich. Barbecue chips, amazing. Gives you a little crunch to it, gives you a little salt to it, a little texture to it as well. But barbecue lace chips, I dare you to try and have one. Try and have one. You're like, okay, I'm going to be a fat person today and eat a whole bag of them. Okay, that's number three. Number two.

Now, I've been told that not everybody knows about tockis. I wasn't aware of tockies until about a year ago when my son was like, Dad, have you ever tried talkies? And they're so good that Doritos has copied in many ways, including the kind of the rolled up part of the chip and the flavor of it. But

the flaming hot tockis are amazing. I think they might give you an ulcer. It does have red food dye, which I'm told, like, makes you hyperactive. So it's probably horrible for you. And it burns your tongue. It's really, really hot. And they're awesome. So,

Tockeys is at number two. Number one. I thought about putting the old school nacho flavor Doritos here, which could be at any point in this list, but I'm going to go with Cool Ranch. I think Cool Ranch is in fact the best Doritos. John Goulet, who told us

he's never had a soda, but that's the only piece of terrible food he doesn't eat. Pick apart my chip list. I like pita chips. I disagree. I don't know that they're top five worthy. I can't comment on Tockeys because I'd never heard of them until we discussed this in the break.

I think it's the chips you considered that bothered me more. You're a Pringles guy. That's disgusting. Well, just my, like, Pringles are, they may not be the best chip in the world, but you can eat like five in a stack on your, they're shaped perfectly for your tongue. And then they have the cool, like, packaging that you can, you know, and they have very good slogan. Like, once you pop, you can't stop. Pop the Pringles.

Like, that's a good, still catching. Like, we don't have jingles anymore. have catch lines anymore. We, you know, double your flavor, double your fun with double mint gum. Like, we don't have that anymore. Where's the beef? What happened to great ads?

Popper wrinkles is pretty good. What else? I'm more of a, well, you considered lime tostitos. I love this. I'm out. What about the scoops? Do you like the scoops? I do like, I think underrated form of tostitos, the crispy rounds,

the little circles. Fair? Those are the best. I don't know. The best. I think they're underrated. Those are very good. I'm a simple, my number one is wavy lays.

Put it on a sandwich. What about Ruffles Ritches? Anthony Davis, Ruffles Ritches. Very good. I will follow Anthony Davis to Ruffles Ritches. The ridges catch more of the seasoning, and I think that's the secret to it. I think that's the secret to it. All right, we'll be back tomorrow, and we'll come up with something clever and some other list. Enjoy your potato chips. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the herd. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the Internet lost its mind,

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