The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Luke Walton is safe (for now), Kyler Murray hype, Arizona Cardinals rumors and Paul George for MVP

Episode Date: February 14, 2019

Colin discusses why Los Angeles Lakers HC Luke Walton is safe this season, why F LeBron James' legacy may take a hit, why the rumor about Arizona Cardinals QB Josh Rosen isn't true, why Oklahoma City Sooners QB Kyler Murray will struggle in the NFL, and why Oklahoma City Thunder F Paul George should be the MVP. Guests include Nick Wright, Lennox Lewis, Greg Jennings, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. How are you, Joy? I'm great. Good morning. Happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day to you. We both swam to work today.

Hovercrafting to work. I'm still. I'm still resisting complaining about the weather here in Los Angeles, but it is very rainy and cold. Well, happy Valentine's Day, everybody. Speaking of gifts, I got a gift last night. A former coach on a LeBron James staff called me last night. Well, I called him after he texts me. I'm not going to tell you who it is, but he's been in the last seven, eight years in LeBron's world for multiple years.

And I asked him about, you know, being a coach, flying with LeBron, hotels, travel. And he said, listen, listen, man, when you're with LeBron, you've got to shut some stuff out. He goes, the media is just writing stuff. And we were at practice and we knew it wasn't true. You're traveling with the biggest rock star in the NBA. And there's a lot of tension. A lot of people can't handle it. Remember Chris Bosch yesterday on the show?

I said, when did you know playing with LeBron was different? He goes, the first hour, the press conferences. So this coach was telling me. He said, listen, there's going to be a lot of stuff going on here. And I asked this coach about Luke Walton. Then he said, you can't get rid of Luke Walton? We got 30 games left. You're going to bring in a whole new coach and a whole new staff and a whole new system?

And by the way, Jeannie Bus, according to a story this morning, owner of the Lakers, agrees. Luke will finish the season. most believe that is orders from Jeannie Bus. She can be patient. She's seen worse. It's not affecting her legacy. Sometimes, guys, we have to admit something. We've got bigger egos.

And our egos are tied to us professionally. We elevate the bigger star you are at work, the bigger star you are, right? And this is tough for all these guys. LeBron, this is not good for LeBron's brand missing the playoffs. clutch sports aligned with LeBron? Today the Celtics are ripping him, ripping Rich Paul saying they're underhanded, they're leaking stuff, it's dirty.

Magic, he looked bad on that Anthony Davis mess. And Rob Polenka is a workaholic. He's under magic. He looks like Rob Lowe, but regardless of who he looks like, the Pelicans wouldn't even take a phone call from him. So you've got all these guys and all these egos, and Jeannie Bus is hovering above all of it,

saying, this is what happens when you get a superstar. We had Kobe, we had magic. My dad had Wilt Kareem. This is what happens. The woman in the room is saying, don't worry about the tension. She's hovering above all of it,

and there's finger pointing, and there's chaos. And as the coach told me last night, that's just doing business with LeBron. If you're on the staff with LeBron, that's just doing business. That's just the reality of it. There's going to be some urgency and some tension, and it's true.

but nobody thought this year was going to be special. When I said before the year, I said, I think they're going to win 49 games. You mocked me. You rushed to Twitter. You're crazy. They're winning 38. I said, they win 48 games. And by the way, they were on pace to win 52 if LeBron didn't get hurt.

And didn't the Lakers just land the world's biggest free agent in the off season? Well, yes, they did. How about we give them one more off season to see if they can land another? because generally that's the way it works. You don't land everybody in one fell swoop. I'm with Jeannie Bus. Maybe I'll make up seat cushions and pins and t-shirts. LeBron went to the finals with Mike Brown,

David Blatt, Ty Lou. Luke Walden is not significantly better or worse than any of those. Sometimes you just have to understand. If you go on a fishing boat and I used to work as a kid is a deck hand on a fishing boat. It's rocky and some people throw up. Yes. You throw up the first two or three days until your stomach gets used to it.

And then when you bring people on to catch fish, they throw up every time. I always get seasick. Yes. That's the reality of getting on a boat. The waters are rocky and most people can't handle it. And as the coach told me last night, this is doing business with LeBron. Is it you'll walk around, you'll read the paper and you're like, that didn't happen at practice. And somebody will say, that happened to practice. It's like

Chris Bosch said yesterday. When did you know it was different? The first second he signed. Our world changed. Press conferences, 30 people instead of four. Chris Haynes' Yahoo Sports said yesterday he expects Luke Walton, too, to be retained for the rest of the year. I think he is. If you look at what all is transpired over the last couple of weeks, I don't think that you can place the blame primarily on. on Luke Walt. There's no secret about it that, you know, the trade rumors that were going on with the Lakers and New Orleans Pelicans, how everything just became so public. You just knew that it was going to take time for that locker room to heal for that. Then you add the fact that LeBron James

out, of course, a different amount of time. With all those factors, I just don't think you can place the blame solely on Luke as a right now. Of course you can't. I am officially with Jeannie Bus. Come on, guys. Come on, egos. Take a deep breath. Stop finger pointing. the woman, little left is of an ego. Her network's not, net worth isn't changing. Her legacy's not changing. Got 30 games. Let's get into the playoffs.

Lakers, I think will. Try to avoid playing Golden State in the first round. And then go after Anthony Davis and probably have to give up less than you would have a week ago. Let me shift gears to this. The New York Giants are a football club. They are reportedly out on five, eight and a half quarterback prospect, Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray's agent, though, he's a big shot. He does a podcast with Johnny Mansell.

He came out yesterday and ripped these old guys in the NFL that don't get his client. Listen. Taylor is not some little shrimp they're making enough to be. This kid weighs 205 yesterday. Holy shit. This kid is jacked the F up. These days and age of these old NFL dinosaurs and scouts and sit back and talk about what players can't do.

Oh, he can't do that. He's not this. He's not that. Those are the losers. You want all your requirements and all of that? That's not what the NFL game is today. Yeah, it actually is exactly what the NFL game is today. You have this, you don't have that.

It's called scouting. They have a combine. They measure you. By the way, he called them dinosaurs and losers. Eric Burkart, be careful. You host a weekly podcast with Johnny Mansell. Be careful calling other people losers. Bill Belichick is 66.

His owner is 77. Andy Reid was in the AFC Championship. He's 60. Drew Breeze was 40 in the NFC championship. Bob Kraft is 77. Owns the greatest dynasty in American sports. Are they losers and dinosaurs too? Drew Brees, Andy Reid, Bill Belichick.

By the way, who was the best L.A. Ram in the Super Bowl? I was 71-year-old defensive coordinator Wade Phillips. Tom Brady has never played in a Super Bowl and been that flummoxed for all but one drive. Are they dinosaurs? Are they losers? 5-8.5.5. Kyle Murray, size matters in sports. And it did in the Mesozoic era. Didn't the biggest dinosaurs, as you called those coaches?

Didn't the biggest dinosaurs eat the smaller dinosaurs? You do get that T-Rex was the goat, right? T-Rex is the greatest of all time. He ate the smaller dinosaurs. You're not a dinosaur if you prefer 6.3.5, 225, big arm, and highly functioning personality. Yeah, I'm sorry. that's not a dinosaur. That's not a loser.

There's never been a five, eight and a half quarterback. This guy is smaller potentially than Julian Edelman. You ever watched him play? Seems a tad small for a quarterback, no. Well, he did play a quarterback in college. It can't state. To his defense. By the way, I am a little older.

Maybe I'm sensitive, but Netflix is changing television. Reed Hastings is their CEO. He's almost 60. Jeff Bezos has changed retail, putting people out of business. He's closer to 60. than he is 45. And oh, by the way, five, eight and a half

is something to be concerned about. So is only playing 17 college games. And so is going on the Dan Patrick show and you can't answer a question unless Dad answers it for you. This actually happened. Are you going to the combine?

I don't know. Dad, is he going to the combine? Dad had no comment there. Pro Day? I mean, that's after the comment. Yeah, are you going to do a pro day? Yeah? Yeah.

I guess if you would say, yeah, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm a loser too. I'm a dinosaur too. Because for my $6 billion franchise, the most verbal position, that's what I get. Yeah, I'd be a little concerned. I guess I'm a dinosaur. So is Belichick, Brady, Annie Reid, Drew Brees, Wade, Wade, Wade Phillips. Bob Kraft, they're dinosaurs too.

Says the guy, the agent, who hosts a weekly podcast with dynamite Johnny Mansell. All right. T-Rex. The goat. I like Velociraptors. What's that? Velociraptors.

What the hell's that? Those are the ones in Jurassic Park with the little... That's why you like the Toronto Raptors. Yeah, by the way, T-Rex ate all of those... Because the Lelociraptors are my favorite dinosaurs. By the way, T-Rex ate your dinosaurs at the end of the movie. That's fair. But they're way faster and cooler, though.

That's my Valentine's present to you, that memory of T-Rex eating all the smaller dinosaurs. I know. Coming up next, sometimes you have to admit, I'm just going to take an L on an argument. You just got to take an L. And that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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I don't have to deal with that. So Oklahoma thinks I hate them because I always bang on Westbrook. Forget the fact that I think Lincoln Riley is a stud. Bob Stoops is amazing. and I would vote Paul George MVP today. And I'm in the minority on that. Most people would vote James Harden, no shot. Or Janus, very, very close.

So, Oklahoma, I'm not your local paper. I'm not your local radio guy. I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear that everybody from your state's great. Although I did love Mickey Mantle and Johnny Bench and Mark Price is the most underrated shooter in NBA history. Paul George, here, Oklahoma, he should be the MVP. For the first time in a decade, yep, I don't think LeBron

is even a top five MVP candidate. Not close this year. The last several years, I've laughed and scoffed at the assertion that Westbrooks and Hardens are in the same class. LeBron is part GM, part coach, part scout, best player, most dominant, best leader, very clutch. Tech, tech, tech, tech, tech, tech, tech. This year, Paul George is of the MVP. James Hardin scores a lot. Yes, he does.

I've seen James Harden. I've watched this league for 40 years. Paul George is more efficient. Paul George plays defense. Paul George this year has been more clutch, and Paul George is going to win more. Let's start with the three big ones. He's a better two-way player. Forget the fact he's more efficient than Hardin, plays great defense, more clutch, and winning more this year.

Okay, Hardin's had some injuries, but he's winning more. He's the best two-way player in the NBA that's available. Kauai Leonard is, but he's never available. He's missed 16 games. number two is he's been so great this year that he's taken a very rigid personality Russell Westbrook and he's changed his game. Westbrook doesn't shoot as much. That's hard to do.

That's what DeWade eventually after about a month and a half of LeBron said, you know what? It ain't my city. It's LeBron's team. He's better. And number three is he's winning more. They're going to win like 57 games, 55 games. Houston right now would not host a first round playoff series.

And again, they've had injuries. But this is the way the NBA. media will screw this up. Janus is the closest to Paul George, but he can't affect the game late because he can't hit a three. And this game is a three-ball league. But Paul George, defense matters. You think it matters? Well, Paul George

plays defense. So Hardin can't compete with him on that end of the floor. Now, it's probably a 70, 30 offense to defense league, but 30 is something. 30 is something. If I said 30% of the time, 30% of the time, you don't have any money, after two weeks. So you literally 30% of the time

need your check or you don't have any money to eat. That's a lot. 30% is something. Defense matters. It's not as big as offense, but it matters. And Paul George is the best available two-way player in the league. And I don't think he's going to get it, but I would give it to him.

People are into stats. That's what's happened to the most valuable player. That is what has happened to the most valuable player award. We forget the word valuable. We think it's the most stat guy. I like big picture guy. I like both ends guy. I like clutch guy.

I like guy that wins more. And the fact that he has made a very rigid Russell Westbrook change his game is really impressive to me. Really impressive. First time in Russell Westbrook's career, it's almost like Russell knows it's his team. It's the other guy. And that's hard for Russell Westbrook because Russell Westbrook's always kind of done things his way. And when you take Russell Westbrook and Westbrook is acknowledging he should take the shots late. That's a real thing.

So Paul, there go, Oklahoma. I'll go back to bashing in about 20 minutes, but I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear. That's not my job. I'll tell you what you need to hear, and what I think is honest. Okay? Westbrook's not my cup of tea. Paul George, MVP.

Nick right around the corner, Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So we all know that LeBron wants to be an NBA owner one day, but LeBron has made it clear that it will have. happen. He told the athletic, ain't no maybe about it. I'm going to do that bleep.

I know I got a great team around me that can help me do anything I want to do. If I wanted to run for president of the United States, I got a team around me that could help me possibly win it if I decided I wanted to give my all to it. I think I would actually support LeBron running for president over

him owning a team. I would rather have dedicated politicians being president. Are we going back to that? Yeah. I mean, this is. We tried that. that non-politician thing. I'm not really into the...

I kind of like the politician thing. For the record, not that this matters, but I was on the... Let's stick with the politician's thing before all of this happened. But, look, the thing about LeBron owning a team, which I think he will own a team, and if he wants to do that, then he should. It just hasn't worked out that well for MJ?

Well, think about this. You know, it hasn't. And the other thing is, there is this sense now that, hey, how come players don't own more teams? I saw it the other day, an NFL player said, How come NFL guys, players don't own teams? Because it's not the way it usually works. Nobody that's ever been a sportscaster's ever own Fox Sports.

That's not the way it works. You have billionaires and then you have employees. Now, sometimes employees are highly compensated. And in the NBA, they are stars. And NBA guys make more than NFL guys. So that's why how Magic gets in. Well, I mean, it's a money thing. And also, these teams don't become available just like that.

Like, the team has to become available to be purchased in the first place. That's number one. The other thing is we think like Magic Johnson's a dollar. Roger owner. Magic Johnson owns, I think I've been told, 1%. Right. I mean, owner, like majority owner, there's levels of ownership. There's a lot of teams that are, some even majority

owners are silent partners. No one even knows that they're the owners of teams. It's very complicated. All these are set up. It's not that MJ has been a failure, but I guess it's just like in comparison to his playing career. So maybe that's a little unfair to MJ.

Because I don't consider him to be a bad owner. It's just I hold him to the same standards I do as he was up. I could be wrong on this. Mark Cuban is a billionaire. I don't believe he owns more than 50% of the Mavericks. There's other owners in this. People understand. It's very rare.

When someone owns all of the team. It's just these are, LeBron is an employee, believe it or not. He is going to own it's part of a team one day. Yeah, I don't doubt it. That is for sure. But by the way, one of the reasons MJ can own Charlotte, he bought him for a nickel.

It's Charlotte. He couldn't buy the Lakers. Well, but it's still an NBA franchise. And like I said, they don't become available. a lot. It would be interesting to see how LeBron is as an owner because LeBron does have a lot of control over team activity as a player. You know why players don't make great owners? Because once you're a star, you forget what it's like to be a businessman, which is 18-hour days, no stardom, no free lunches, sitting in your room. Business is hard. Like I always tell people this.

I've got the best job at Fox. I don't have to be in meetings. I don't have to fly and negotiate with leagues. I don't have to go to Europe. My bosses could fire me, but I'd way prefer my job. I go home at 12.30, pick up my son. Yeah, we've got... Hit a tennis ball. Pretty light-living. I mean, same with NBA players. They're all like, I want to be, it's like every rock star wants to be an athlete. Every athlete wants to be a, you know, a rock star. It's like, do what you do, do it well, and whatever happens happens, but don't think owning a team is all fun in games. It's hard. Well, he's, he's always talked about doing this, though, so I think it's, it's, it's You know, it's on his, it'll happen.

It's LeBron. So Steve Kerr was ejected last night against the trailblazers after losing his mind over a call. Draymond Green fouled Zach Collins while trying to prevent a layup. We're showing the video here. And the referees decided to review the call

and gave Green a flagrant foul for unnecessary physical contact. Joy, that's a terrible call. I've watched this many, many times. Joy. Look, it's a judgment call. It's not a great call. It's not really that crazy that they gave him a flagrant.

He gets ball. There's no. His entire body collides with him. I'm not going to say that he didn't throw his arms up a little bit, but they make contact. It is a foul. These aren't go-carts. There's no bumpers in the front. You bang into people.

Then it's a foul. He's a shooter. Not a flagrant. He didn't go. It's not. It's, look, Sometimes you just got to lose your mind. All right.

Steve Kerr, he threw a fit. I don't know if we have the video of that, but he threw his clipboard down. So now we have an air. I don't blame Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr should be. That is the worst call. And I'm from, I lived in Portland.

I like to think good things happen to them. That's a terrible. It's really not that bad of a call. He's a shooter and he jumps into him. I know he also happens to hit the ball, but on the way to the ball was his body. I've done shows. with more physical contact than that.

That's nothing. I bumped into Goulet Goulet in the meeting in the morning. Maybe it's not a flagger, but it's definitely a foul. You can at least admit that it's a foul. It's a foul. It's not a flake, right? It's worse Steve Kerr throwing that fit. Well,

although it was fun to watch. It's always fun to see Steve Kerr meltdown. Yeah, he did it. So, Draymond. I got your back. Or yeah, maybe that's what it is. It's fine to see Kevin Durant kind of take him off. Finally, Kyler Murray might be 5 foot 9.

I'm sticking with 5 foot 8, 5.9. Okay, you say 5.9. And a half. Let's just go with that one from now. I've been short changing him an inch. So 5.9. And a half. So you've been the one in the saying is 5. Well, I mean, he's not 511. I'm sorry. He's not. You can watch the tape. He's not 511.

And he's a little small for me. But Baker Mayfield can sit in the pocket and I don't look at him and go, he's a tiny... No, he doesn't... Baker doesn't look short to me. Like, he's not... I mean, in comparison to someone who's 6, 3, 6.64, of course. But he's not... 5'0.9 is on the short. Anyway, it wouldn't be surprising if he measures shorter than that at the combine in a few weeks.

But whatever the final result is, Lincoln Riley says that Murray's height doesn't matter. Come on. I think Kyler's like Baker and that he is short. He's been short all of his life. He's learned to deal with it. It's not a factor for him. The guy, I think, had four or five batted down passes. I think the whole season.

It's just not much of a factor as much as people would think it is. And we got to live that for really the last four years, playing with what guys would consider short. prototypical quarterbacks. And it was never an issue for us. And I think it's something that'll get made a lot of at draft time. And I think once Kyler starts playing just like Baker, I don't think it'll be a factor at all. Now, let me say, I do think he's a first-round draft pick

because I think in the changing league, for Jacksonville, I think he adds a ton of energy. He's different. And I don't think if you whiff on your first-round quarterback, it kills your franchise. I don't think it does anymore. Because you don't have the CBA where if you paid Jamarcus Russell,

he was a bus, you were trapped. So to me, he's, worth rolling the dice. If Dwayne Haskins has gone and I have the seventh pick and I'm Jacksonville, I'd take him. But I don't think that's the future of the NFL. Well, I wouldn't say that his height doesn't matter. It does

matter. We wouldn't be discussing it. But we are aware he's been short his whole life as well. But I will say, though, NFL research found this. He's listed at 5'10, which we're going to give him 5'9. Had five passes batted down last season per

pro football focus. That's tied with the few among the four quarterbacks in the top 50 prospects, the other three are listed at 6-3 are taller. So he actually doesn't have that many battered down passes. Not that that's the only concern with him. Well, some of that's Lincoln. It's not just that he is short. He's also not a big guy as well.

So look, he wouldn't be in the conversation for being a first-round pick if it was that much of a factor. So that said, it is a concern for people. And, you know, it's like I believe Bill Pollian said, you know, you're concerned about their hand size as well. They measure everything at the combine, but whoever's going to make the decision on him is not going to be concerned about his home. Yeah, and Texas Tech not batting down a ball doesn't mean the Patriots will. Lincoln Riley, by the way, is on our show tomorrow. Joy with the News.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. I used to tell Bill Simmons that he wanted every coach in the NBA fired, and I used to always say, Bill, it's a player's league. You can call plays, but basketball from the YMCA to A-U. it's a player's league and if a player's hot, I think in the NBA, there's a handful of really, really, really, really high-end coaches.

But when Steve Kerr got hurt with a back surgery, Luke Walton came in and Mike Brown came in and they both won 94% of their games. And with that, Nick Wright, via the Coward Global Satellite Network, co-host First Things First. So let me guess, you are ticked that LeBron's not going to make the playoffs

and you want Luke Walton out. I'm reading telepathically your mind this morning. Is that what you think? Well, the Lakers are going to make the playoffs, but I would ask you this, Colin. Let me just put it on you for a moment. All right. What does Luke Walton do well? What does he do well?

I would say he has patience. I don't like his, I would say I don't like his random substitution patterns, but I would say he is generally patient with young players and he's a players coach. How's that? Okay, I'll kind of give you that. Here's my evaluation of Luke Walton. On the tangible, when you say you don't like his rotations, you mean the random haphazard.

We're going to protect LeBron's minutes until after the injury, when then we are not going to protect the minutes, which makes no sense. Or that Mike Muscal in his first game gets 15 minutes and then the second game is a D&P coach's decision. Or the fact that they haven't had one unique or creative out of bounds play, all year long. Or the intangible, like player development. DeAngel Russell looks like a nice player once he leaves the Lakers. Julius Randall gets better once he leaves the Lakers. Ingram and Lanzo are stuck in neutral. And then there's this. Sometimes there needs to be a casualty, even if it's not totally his fault. Does anyone think Luke Walton is going to be the head coach of the Lakers at the

end of next season? Does anyone think Luke Walton's going to be the head coach of the Lakers if and when they get to an NBA finals. So make the move now. You have Brian Shaw on the bench and see if you acquire the same thing the Cavs acquired at the trade deadline last year, which was the most valuable thing in the sport, a reinvigorated LeBron James, because that's the only path to this season being a success. And I just don't think Luke's very good. And I haven't heard anyone make the case as to what he's very good at. And one last thing, if he gets fired, what's his next job? It's not NBA head coach, I promise you that.

Well, let's go to Brad Stevens, who everybody tells me he's a great coach, but it appears he's better with Butler and young players than the best player Kyrie Irving he's ever had. So let's look at the Boston situation, which I always felt was sort of the, you know, rebuilding for dummies hand guide, right? This is how you do it. Now Kyrie's heard again, doesn't appear to fit Stevens. Gordon Hayward's played well last couple of nights, but is regressed as a player.

Anthony Davis, I'm told last week, doesn't want to be a Celtic. So what do you make of Brad Stevens? Maybe he doesn't work with Stars. Maybe Stars are hard to coach. Yeah, I think Brad Stevens is an excellent coach, but I also think what you are seeing is when you have a coach whose biggest utility is turning average players into well above average players and making above average players perform like semi stars that you don't get the boost that you typically would get when you infuse your team with star power. And Brad Stevens last year, the team was a lot like the Butler team. Young guys, guys of, I want moderate talent given

their circumstances who you can get the most out of. So I might have been, last year I was telling anyone that would listen, Brad Stevens is the best coach in the league not named Greg Popovich. I maybe need to back off that just a bit because this next iteration of coaching, coaching with the best players, he hasn't shown the ability to be Carlisle, to be Popovich, to be Spolstra, and that's the next step for him. By the way, a Russ Westbrook, Russell Westbrook, I call him Ross, we're tight. He has the first nine years in the league, he was not only a good free throw shooter, he was in the 80s, and that's elite. A lot of good players have not been in the 80s. He now is at 64% but he contends.

I do not hear my critics. I play one way and I contend. Oh, no, no, you don't. You're a lot like Dennis Rodman. You have a body armor and you're physically imposing, but deep down you're vulnerable. And Russell Westbrook, his shot is broken because he absolutely, Kevin Durant admits he hears the noise. Westbrook doesn't admit it, but the data shows me he hears the noise.

Can we acknowledge, and you love Ross, that the people are getting to him. His shot's broken. That's mental. That's not physical. Hold on. Listen, and you know how much I love and respect you. I don't understand the logic point you're drawing here. Like, his shot is absolutely broken.

His MVP year, 35% from 3, 85% from the line. Last year, 29 and 75. This year, 25 and 65. But the correlation of it's not like he is more criticized now than previously. It's not like he's become more of a firebrand. You've been hitting him in the head for five years. I don't know why this is the year it all of a sudden got to him. Now, I don't believe him that he doesn't hear the noise.

I think he uses the noise as fuel. But I don't think it has anything to do with his shot being broken. I think his shot's just broken. And the free throw thing, he used to after every free throw, back to mid-court and then walk back to the line. The NBA doesn't let him do it anymore. It threw off his routine and somehow it's wrecked his free throws. I don't know why that's the case, but that's the case. I think that has more to do with it than the commentary of people who don't love watching, you know, the guy who tries the hardest of every player in the league,

Russell Westmore. A lot of guys try to do radio hard, but you're good because you're good at it. I'm not into trying hard. That means nothing for me. By the way, Paul George, the best available two-way player in the league. Yes, he's scoring, but he's efficient. And he's made the rigid Westbrook a different player late in games. Russell is now a

distributor later in games, and you would acknowledge he can be a little rigid. To me, Paul George is going to win 59 games. Home court. I think he's the MVP. Where do you put him? Okay, I love Paul George. I'm so happy for Paul George.

Once upon a time, Paul George went eye to eye with LeBron in a conference finals when he was 23 years old, and then again, when he was 24 years old, he looked like the next superstar in this league, then he shattered his leg, and to see him getting out of this level makes me so happy. But your MVP conversation is insanity. First of all, the best two-way player in the league is Janice Anten Kupo. He has the number one defense in the league. He's a better offensive player and right now a better defensive player than Paul George.

That's first of all. Second of all, Harden. While I would have Janus number one, we cannot ignore this fact. Hardens not putting up empty numbers. Since this streak started, the Rockets are top five in the NBA and wins. He's averaging 37 a game. And by the way, top three in the league in deflections, top three in the league in steals, top three amongst guards and blocks. His defense is no longer bad. It's not Janus and Paul George level defense. But because winning matters, I understand elevating Paul George, where you're, yeah, there's your MVP list and you can really end it, or my MVP list. If you want to end it after three, that's fine. Yonis, to me, has overtaken Harden. They have the best record in the league, the number one defense, and his numbers are comical.

And the idea that you think he's not a late game threat because he can't shoot threes, you don't have to shoot threes when you have go-go gadget arms and you can get to the rim from the three point line in one dribble. And so Paul George is having a spectacular year, but it does, in Hardin's defense, who you're killing, he has scored 30 and 31 straight games. 30 and 31 straight games. There are only 14 guys in the league that have scored 10 in 30 straight games. Only 14 guys have double digits in 30 straight. He's got 30 in 30 straight. We can't discount what he's doing.

Yeah, I'm not, by the way, I'm not killing Hardin. I'm just not, to me, I've seen January, early February fireworks shows, and then I see said guard exhausted by the end of the first round. So I'm not into that stuff. I think what's happening in Oklahoma City, Paul George Stang, changing Westbrook, I just think it's a remarkable story. That's what I think. Agreed.

Yeah. I know, I agree. And I'm so, listen, Paul George is going. to get first-team all-MBA at the forward spot, maybe defensive player of the year, probably going to be top three there, and top three MVP candidate. That's a great season.

But the best player right now, given LeBron's injury this season, is Janus. And Janus, we have, I know it's in obscurity in Milwaukee. They've got the best record. His stats are undeniable, number one defense in the league, and he's the best defender. Like, if we're going to go the two-way player thing,

we can't forget about the Greek kid up in Milwaukee. All right, I got to go. I don't have time for the Joe Flacco stuff. I know you thought it was a disastrous trade, but I have... He's terrible. He's a bad player. He's a bad football player, but he's tall. He is tall.

I'll give him that. He's tall. All right, Nick Wright, good talking to you. Tall, tall matters. Again, T-Rex is the goat. He ate the smaller dinosaurs. Size matters. You know there were much, much, much, much taller dinosaurs than T-Rex.

There were? Yeah. Yeah, those, yeah, like John says. Those are offensive linemen. They don't really matter. I mean, they could, like, step on T-Rex and not even notice because they're eating the little plants. All right. Coming up next, God, I want this story to be true.

I really do, but it's not. And we'll just put a wet blanket on it. It's not true. I wish it was. I'm in the interesting business with Joy. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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God, I wish it was true. There's one of these stories. Lordy, Lordy, I wish this was true, that Bill Belichick could be interested in getting and trading for Josh Rosen of the Arizona Cardinals. God, I wish that was true. For Josh Rosen's sake, for interesting sake,

and frankly for the Patriots sake. They're my favorite dynasty in football of all time, along with the Dallas Cowboys, Troy Aitman, Jimmy Johnson, Dinas. It's not true. There is a, and by the way, they've got all sorts of picks. So if they wanted Rosen, they could really make a deal with Arizona. They own the Bears second round pick.

They have the Lions, third round pick. They're going to get a couple of compensatory picks. They're going to have 12 picks. So they could really do it. They could move up. They could give Arizona all sorts of picks, blah, blah, blah. By the way, here's how the game works in the NFL. General managers in all sports, but let's just stick with football,

are much less willing. to dump their own draft picks because that's acknowledging I whiffed. So a new GM comes in, he'll clear the place out. He'll get rid of anybody. But a general manager drafts players and he's going to give them more time if they're struggling because otherwise it looked like he butchered the draft pick.

So the problem with Arizona, Steve Kime, who I know, good guy, but he's in trouble in Arizona. He's been really bad with his first round picks, really bad. Last five, he got no hits. I mean, the DJ Humphreys, Hassan Reddick, you know, Jonathan Cooper, there's a lot of nothing.

There's a lot of nothing. If he makes a trade and gets rid of Josh Rose and he's acknowledging, yeah, I butchered last year's pick. I don't think that's going to happen. That would take a lot of courage, a lot of guts, and it would be telling your owner, yeah, I can't figure out even the first pick in the draft. Because the Rams got better players.

The Niners got better players. I think Seattle's got better players. Arizona's got the fourth best player. grouping in their division. In their division, fourth out of four. So I don't think they're going to move off this. Here's the other thing to consider. Josh Rosen is not a bust, at least not yet.

Their offensive line is horrible and he's not a mobile guy. He took more hits than any quarterback in the league. Secondly, their head coach appeared to be over his head. Third, it's a tougher than average division. To me, Josh Rosen looks a lot like Jared Goff. He just needs a better offensive coach and more support. They got to get a left tackle. They got to get an emerging new receiver.

They need, you know, they need to rebuild maybe tight end. This is not just a Josh Rosen issue. And I want to remind everybody this. I just want to remind everybody this. Who were the last four quarterbacks left in the NFL this year in the playoffs? Who were the last four? So let's go through them. Tom Brady didn't play his first year.

Patrick Mahomes didn't really play his first year. Drew Brees didn't play his first year. Jared Goff mostly didn't play his first year and when he went in was awful. Josh Rosen similarly was forced to play on an awful team in a tough division with a head coach that was over his skis and an offensive coordinator late that had never been an offensive coordinator. I, for his sake, I'd love to see him trade it. I'd love to see him go to the Patriot, sit down for a year, learn the smartest system in the NFL. This would be great for our show. It'd be great for Josh Rosen.

I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think it'll happen for those reasons. And because I don't think that he fits with the Patriots. I don't think his personality does. Yeah, you don't like his personality fit. No, I like his personality. I'm just saying I don't think he is a patriot. I think he's an outspoken, political, very socially active, not a reserved, not that Tom Brady is a reserved guy, but Tom Brady is, I mean, he's a, he's a team guy.

I don't call him a fall in line guy, but like, he suppresses opinion. He is the general for Bill Belichick. He creates that, yes, he definitely suppresses opinion and sets that tone for that team. I don't see Josh Rosen being that. Yeah, the knock on Josh Rosen is, and Phil Sims is always talked about that. Phil Sims said I was smart, but I never wanted Parcells to think I was smarter than him, even though I thought I was. Yeah, I don't think that Josh Rosen is not bad.

Josh Rosen is not somebody, or do you have this when it comes to quarterbacks? Josh Rosen is really smart. But if Josh Rosen, like any smart person, works with somebody that's really, really smart, then they do become coachable. Like Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers was coachable initially. and then Aaron Rogers believed that Mike McCarthy was not keeping up. They lost the quarterback coach who was the buffer.

Right. And then Aaron was like, now I'm not coachable. Aaron, we didn't have a coachability problem with Aaron first four years in the league. No, I think that's similar to what happened with LeBron James. And I'm not saying that Josh Rosen isn't coachable, but I just don't know if he's of the Patriot way. I don't think his personality is that. I don't think Josh is dysfunctional.

I think everybody outside of really dysfunctional people are coachable. Like I think T.O. was really hard to coach. I don't think Josh Rosen's that. I just think you have to get him the right guy, so he'll listen. And I think the right guy would be Belichick. But I don't think anybody, you can't just throw anybody at Josh and Aaron Rogers. All right, hour two, Brian Scaliburney, Lennox Lewis, coming up. One more herd?

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boxing announcer for, I did some stuff with HBO that was international on their international feed. I love calling boxing. Jim Lampley's the best that ever did it. And I was basically doing a bad Jim Lampley impersonation when I did it. And also Jason McIntyre, Greg Jennings, Brian Scalibranian in 15 minutes. Sometimes you have to take it now. You know, one of the reasons I stopped taking phone calls as a host because callers didn't have any interest in getting it right. They just want to be right. And you're just arguing over dumb stuff. My 20s, 30. I was the same one. I just wanted to be right. After a while, you're like, I want to get it right. So there's no use to argue with people who have no interest in being honest and getting it right.

If I give you data, I'm right. If you give me data, you're right. Let's be honest about this. Okay? We've seen this in history. A lot of people thought, hey, the world is flat. For a long time, people thought the world is flat. And then Aristotle, broke the news on Twitter, and the world is round. Yeah, like Aristotle, smarter than all of us, said the world is round on Twitter.

And then, by the way, Christopher Columbus retweeted it. Magellan liked it. And breaking news, Wojj confirmed it. So the world is not flat. It's round. Take an L if you think the world is flat.

Got retweets from Magellan, Galileo, Aristotle, Woj. Okay, the world is round. Parents do this all the time. Hey. My kid's a great athlete. And at some point, you're like 14, 50. No, he's not.

He's just a great kid. He's not a great athlete. Just take the L. It's actually a W. You got a great kid. You don't have a great athlete. It's okay. Boston Celtic fans, take an L.

Kyrie Irving's not a great fit with Brad Stevens, and they're not firing Brad Stevens. He's not a great fit. He's injury prone. He's kind of a me guy, and it's a Wii system. I'm not sure he fits the city, but he doesn't fit the team. Here's the stats. They're all right there for you.

When Kyrie Irving doesn't play, they win more, they score more, they shoot better, they pass more, and they hit more threes. The dad is in, take an L. And I'll make you better. I'm not saying Kyrie Irving, two minutes to go in the game, he's a special guy. But you've got to win in this league. You've got to get to the last two minutes of games for him to hit the shot. They're not as good with him. And I think you have a coach, Brad Stevens, who worked at Butler, and works on spacing and passing.

ball movement, and I don't think that's Kyrie's game. And you can keep arguing. You go ahead, go to your message boards. But I said from day one, leave LeBron James at your own peril. And Kyrie Irving was hurt at Duke before LeBron and hurt and kind of a bust in Cleveland before LeBron and wasn't winning games. And then he got LeBron and won titles. And then he's too cool.

And the world is flat. And didn't listen to Aristotle and Magellan and Galileo and Christopher Columbus and Wosh. And the world's not flat. And it's round. And by the way, you're not a least. Peter, you're just a great basketball talent. And not all great basketball talents make teams better.

Kobe Carmelo are examples of that. Sometimes they did. Sometimes they didn't. I don't think he fits the system. The data is in. They're better without him. Speaking of arguments, people think I hate Russell Westbrook. No, he wears me out.

I have said many times he's a great talent. But I don't think he's necessarily a winning basketball player. Although this year, shooting less, winning more, maybe he's changed. But one of the things athletes say. And this, again, is wanting to be right more than get it right. Athletes say they don't listen to the show. Oh, they hear the show. They go to shoot around.

They go back to their room, and they just sit and watch TV and wait to go to the arena and take naps, have lunch. What do you think they do? Watching Jeopardy? Soap operas? Oh, they don't have those. By and large, they watch shows that talk about them, just like you would watch shows that talked about you. If there was a show right now in America, eight of them that talked about you. You'd never turn them on, really?

You get offended with somebody on Twitter says something to you. you. You're on Twitter all day. You wouldn't watch a TV show talking about you? So yesterday people were asking Russell Westbrook about all the criticism he gets and, you know, his shot is broken and blah, blah, blah. And here was his response. Nah, I've been blessed with the time to nothing to give a f***. He say, she's saying, what somebody said about me. What they say about shooting, assing, dribbling. I don't really care every year. Something, they got to make up something about me, which is fine. It's good. One thing I always know is if they're not telling about you.

you're not doing something right. I've been disengaging that conversation since I started playing basketball when I was eight. As you guys know, I don't change for nobody for nothing. I'll do the same thing every night. That's completely false. Your game has changed this year. You're shooting less this year. Your game has changed. You did listen. You listen to people for years say you don't play winning basketball. And this year you changed. And by the way, your shot is totally broken. Why do you think? think it's broken. You think it's broken because you haven't changed or don't listen? It's broken because you heard people and it got into your head. Same thing with Mark L. Fultz. It's psychological.

It's mental. It's not physical. Just admit it. Stop trying to be, wear this body armor. And I don't listen to anybody. And I'm strong. And it reminds me a T.O. who five minutes later is breaking down and crying or Dennis Rodman. If you're going to have this body armor and impenetrable and I'm not vulnerable, it's a con. You listen, you hear. If you don't watch somebody, else does. Somebody talks to you. I know because Westbrook's talk to people and he has criticized me and says, I'm too personal. How does he know that? He doesn't listen, right? He didn't listen to nobody. Yes, he does. He's human and he's vulnerable and stuff gets in his head and he wants to be liked and he wants to win games and that's okay. Just admit it. Take the L on that one. It's like Kyrie Irving. He's

not perfect with the Celtics. Westbrook, you do listen. It does affect you. You want to be liked. Everybody does. Dogs want to be like, when I run home every day, dog rushes up to me. He wants to be loved. Cats want to be loved. Dogs, people. Everybody wants to be loved. Everything wants to be loved. Don't they say if you talk to plants they grow faster? Plants want to be loved.

Excuse me. Plants want to be discussed. Plants want to be in the plants sitting over in a corner the whole day. Hey, I'm over here. I'm a plant. You walk over to a plant, you talk to it. I'm not joking. They grow faster. What an appropriate conversation for Valentine's Day. That's a good call in that. Everybody wants to It's okay, Russell, it's okay.

You've been affected. You've heard it. You've listened. You know, maybe he listened to, you know, like one of the player development coaches for OKC or like a previous mentor or something. Here's Paul George, my MVP, after a game the other night, talking about what people say about Russ, which of course he never hears. We got to stop with the narrator about Russ not doing well. Russ not having a good night. He's doing everything, you know. Russ is doing everything for this team. We just play hard.

We rally behind Russ. He was a heck of a teammate, heck of a competitor. It's not going to be as nice sometimes offensively shooting the ball, but he does so much. By the way, let me ask you this. If you're the MVP of the league and can't get out of the first round, would I be doing my job if I didn't raise questions? If LeBron James could not get out of the first round, wasn't everybody killing LeBron James for years because he couldn't get out of the second round?

We're not doing our job. if James Harden wins the MVP or Janus and can't win two playoff series, Janus is going to get heat. That's the name of the game. We're not doing our job. Nobody's being unfair to Russell Westbrook. I'm a little animated sometimes, but nobody's unfair. He's an MVP whose shot is broken, who is a terrible late game player,

who can't get out of the first round, who's fighting with fans in Utah. That's not hypercritical. That's just observing what's happening and having an opinion. This is my pushback with the MVP conversation in both NFL and the NFL and the NBA, though. It's a regular season award. So isn't it a little unfair to hold how a team does in the postseason against an MVP during a regular season? If you are truly valuable and the most valuable player, you can't get whacked in the first round on a home series. All I'm saying is my argument, because I always argue during the season, not MVP, not MVP, not MVP.

And then he loses the first round, and I'm like, I told you, he's not that valuable. He's talented. He's not that valuable. If you're really truly valuable and the most valuable person in a league, Patrick Mahomes, he got to the AFC championship in overtime. He validated his value. He didn't have to get to a Super Bowl. I mean, Patrick Mahomes did not have to get it.

Patrick Mahomes got to the overtime against the reigning dynasty in the AFC championship. That validated how valuable he is. If you can get to overtime against the Patriots, Steelers never get to overtime against them. There was no shame in how Patrick Mahomes postseason went. You can't get busted in the first round of the NBA playoffs. And by the way, you can't get past a fifth game and you're freaking out with Utah fans and tell me how valuable you are. Maybe we should change the name of the award. We could.

To the best regular season performance award. That's brilliant. It doesn't sound. It doesn't really roll off the tongue like MVP though. It doesn't. You can find something better. That's the best Valentine's president at all. You gave us a new award.

Say it again. What's it called? Best Regular Season Performance Award. It's actually not that bad. Okay, the B. Best. B-R-S. V.

No, what did you say it again? Performance. Best. Yeah. Regular. Season. Performance award. The brswa.

The Brzwa. I think we will find something better for it. But I think it's really what it's become. It's kind of become that in the NFL too. Because we have these conversations and they get to the postseason. like, oh, you know, he didn't really deserve the MVP because they didn't win the Super Bowl or however things went for them in the playoffs. All right.

Good stuff with Joy Taylor. Who to blame with the Lakers? I don't think it's Luke Walton. I don't think he's the best coach. I don't think he's not the one spreading the rumors and he's not the one hurting LeBron's groin and he didn't hurt Lonzo ball. Brian Scalabrini and I will argue and Scalabrini is going to have to admit the Kyrie Irving thing, they're better without him.

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He never got the appreciation in the middle of his career. And then he beat Holyfield, draw it once with him. Then he beat Tice, and then people in America finally went, oh, he's great. One of the great fighters of all time, never appreciated by the American audience till it was over. He'll be joining us. Brian Scalabrini, 11 years in the NBA. Former USC guy, by the way, and knocked the heck out of it as a broadcaster as well. So you have some L.A. leanings, but I think you're starting to feel a little bit like I am.

You live in New England now, right? Well, first of all, how come you're not feeling like I am? Like, I want to know, because it's your show, and you're on the higher seat. You could be going my way. What do you mean? I'm not agreeing with you. You're agreeing with me. No, that's my show.

All right, got you. Respect that. Okay, on the point guard, you're the very talented wing. No, I just stand in the corner. Go ahead. Be me the ball. Joy's the coach. I am the owner slash president.

There you go. I am Jerry Jones. LeBron. Everybody knew it was mogul stage, and I've always had this theory on the grades. Jay Z, LeBron, it doesn't matter. The show off stage. I'm good. I need to win

Grammy's titles Oscar stage. I need validation. And then you get to the point where it's like, I got all that stuff. I'm mogul stage. I love basketball,

football, baseball, but I'm going to make some business decisions. Do you feel LeBron's all in on basketball? As all in as LeBron will be in the regular season, living in L.A. He can be more all in in Cleveland,

but in L.A. He has different shows, different things he wants to do, talking about being an owner, but I would think if the Lakers do make the playoffs, I do believe he'll be all in in the playoffs because even last year, he wasn't all in on the calves during the regular season.

I mean, they were awful defensively. He was awful defensively, but he flipped the switch in the playoffs and went to a whole new level. So as all in as LeBron is ever going to be in the regular season, but it doesn't mean when the playoffs start, I don't think he's going to be thinking about the barbershop and all the other shows that he has going on.

So I talked to somebody who in the last seven to eight years, has been on a coaching staff with LeBron. I talked to him for about 15 minutes last night. And I said, should they get rid of Luke Walton? He said, no, you have to understand when you have LeBron, there's just tension. Yeah. There's just rumors. What do you make of Luke Walton?

What do you do with him? I mean, I think Luke has done, given the circumstances, a great job. I don't think at the beginning, the comment that really got me at the beginning of the season is when Magic Johnson said, we're not going to do it the way Cleveland did it. Cleveland doing it and going to the finals. Cleveland doing it and winning a championship. We're going to build this team differently. He was trying to reinvent the wheel around LeBron.

You want LeBron to be good. You want to win with LeBron. You need guys that shoot and guys that play defense. The offseason, and I get it, they were limited because they wanted to keep flexibility moving forward with their cap space. But the guys they get, I don't think are great fits for LeBron. And I think for Luke Walnut's a ton of pressure to try to coach a team where everyone in LA thinks that because we have LeBron,

we're going to win a title, or because we have LeBron, we're going to beat the Warriors and go to the finals, I think those are unfair expectations. At the beginning of the season, I said, the Lakers are going to be fighting for the seventh, eighth spot, and it'll be in there with a few teams. There'll be four teams fighting for two spots.

I believe, regardless of LeBron got hurt, didn't get hurt, took some games off, or whatever, I thought that they would be fighting. So right now, my expectations from all the people that they have missed, all the games that they've missed because of injury, I think they're right where they're supposed to be. So I'm not going to blame Luke Walton for this one. I want to shift to a team you cover more regularly,

the Boston Celtics. I said this. For years in years, people believe the world is flat, and then Aristotle tweeted that it wasn't, and Magellan retweeted. Okay. And now we acknowledge,

you have to sometimes look at data. Okay. The Celtics down across the board are a more efficient team offensively defensively without Kyrie. It's not a shot at Kyrie. No, no, no. Wait, when you say without Kyrie, you mean when Kyrie

doesn't play or when he's off the floor? Those are two different things. When Kyrie does not play, and they go into a game, they are 9 and 2. They are more efficient, they pass it more. They score more, they win more, the field goal percentage is higher, even Kyrie a three-point

shooter, they shoot better from three. Correct. The data's in. The data's in. You know the data against playoff teams is two and two. You know those Other seven wins are all against non-playoff teams. The Clevelands of the world, the Bulls of the World, like those type of teams. Well, those teams count too? I know they all count, but with playoff teams, with Kyrie, you cannot, they're two and two.

The two losses they had, was Utah at home and Brooklyn, when they got their doors blown off in Brooklyn, and they could not answer a run without Kyrie when DeAngelo Russell was going off in the quarter. So when people say nine and two, you can't look at nine and two as just a number. You have to dive into what is that nine and two. And the only two wins against playoff teams were against Brooklyn at home. That was one of the wins. And what is the other one?

Oh, Philadelphia. That was the nine and two wins. Those are the two wins they've had against non-playoff teams. Well, those are good wins. I think Philadelphia is a nice team. You know what it sounds like you want Kyrie to work. No, I'm not. He's injury-tron.

You just go off about the data. Data this, data, that. Yeah, I like data. I'm giving you the data. They're 500 against playoff teams without Kareen. Aristotle used data. No, you went on about data. I love data.

Okay, data is 2 and 2. That's 500. That's not as good as where they're at right now. They're not as good. You have to admit they're not, you can't win an NBA championship without having special players. And you have to believe that. You don't think Jason Tatum special.

Not his second year in the NBA. He's a special player for a second year player in the NBA. NBA, but you want to just put him out. He's not an all-star this year. Jason Tatum has the ability to be an all-time grade. But his second year in the NBA, he's not at that level yet. How come there, you can say what you want, but when I look at the numbers, couldn't you make the argument?

And I've heard other NBA guys do this. Brad Stevens, Butler-raised, young Celtic team, stars are different. LeBron's harder to coach. No question. And Kyrie's no day at the beach. Kyrie is an injury prone, not a great distributor, world is flat, little flaky. I'm not going with that non-distributor thing.

I know the world talks about that. He doesn't move the ball. That's not what I see. And I'm there every game sitting at half court, calling every game. To me, I thought at the beginning of the season, he moved the ball too much. I want to see more.

When things are good and the ball is moving and guys are making shots, I don't really care what they do. When things start to go sideways, this team is so inconsistent. By the way, the other day against the Clippers, he was there, he got hurt. You remember the game, right? They were up by 20.

Right at the end of the half, they lost by 11. That's a 31-point swing at home when Kyrie got hurt. So what about the data for that game right there? That game goes on your 9-2. When he is not playing and things start to go sideways, because in the NBA, teams make runs, he can answer the run with a pass or with a shot. And there's not all NBA players who are good who average 20 can do that. I think one of the best I've ever seen, Tim Duncan's loud 14 points a game when he would

score toward the end of his career. Popovich knew the team was on a run. I'm going to Tim Duncan. He's going to stop this run. LeBron does that in tough, tight games in the playoffs, or he comes out of a timeout, knows he gets a bucket until he can get the momentum back. Karee makes momentum-changing plays when things are going sideways. In the playoffs, it's momentum.

Right now, the Celtics are inconsistent. Kyrie has the ability to get him on track. I would never give him up and think that the Celtics were ever a championship caliber team without him. So since you are anti-analytics and data. I'm not anti. Well, as seems you're close to it. You're going to give me a bunch of games where you're playing against Cleveland and non-playoff games. Those games don't count.

No, they do count. What league is that? But when you factor in data, you're also at to factor in things like back-to-backs and where teams are coming from. You can't just like pick and choose your own data. Small forward didn't get a good night's sleep. That data doesn't count. It's a J.MBA.

All right. Let me hear your data. And I want to see if it has any validity whatsoever. Westbrook used to be an elite free throw shooter. Now we can't hit the side of a battleship. I got nothing on that. But I know, I do know this. You were piling on Westbrook.

When he was getting triple doubles, you have to love the way that he's playing right now. No, no. It's a better Westbrook. Way better. Because he should not four minutes go. Now, if Paul Jordan wasn't on the team, take the shot. But right now, four and a half left, give it up to the shooter.

I love, he's, this is the best Westbrook ever. All right, finally, we agree. Because we've disagreed on him. I've been like, getting a triple double is hard to get. I love the way that he's playing right now. I think if you ask any coach going against him, they would say, I want the old Westbrook to stop. No, no, I agree. But when I used to say that, guys like,

you just tore me out? No, no, no. I'm not, you can't discredit a guy for getting points, rebounds, and assist. Come on, he was a rigid ball hog. A rigid ball hog. He was a rigid ball hog. He was a rigid, give me a different type of ball hog. Well.

I want to hear that like James Hardin is a smooth ball hog. He was a very rigid player living kind of an insular game. This is what I'm going to do. I'm not going to change. As, as Durant would sit in the corner shaking. Yeah, sure. I agree with that. Okay.

I had no idea he even had to send him. I would have, I would have thought that. If you have to rant on your team that you would be a facilitator to a certain extent. Like the guy has it going, let's keep it. Let's, you know, go to the well, feed the pig, whatever you want to call it. But he didn't for a long time. And he's doing it with Paul George. And now he's so good at doing it, he's making Paul George an MVP candidate.

Yes. That's unbelievable. So can I least get a little bit of credit for him? By the way, have I, given him. There's no been a westerer. He's been a Westwood hater. No, no. You have been.

So you're acknowledging the previous nine years, I was nails. I was right. I was willing to be honest. You're admitting that he was a rigid player. No, I didn't say rigid. What did you say? I said, no, I'm not saying anything about it. I thought he was pretty impressive what he did before.

I just think that this guy is harder to stop. And statistically, they win much more when he has triple doubles than when he doesn't. Well, they also win more when he shoots less than 20 times. So the triple doubles less important. What's really important is shoot 13 times, four and a half to go, find your MVP wing. I just, I will say, I love the way that he's playing. Now, I love his approach to the first six minutes of the game. I'm going to get Stephen Adams, the big fella who's going to go to war for me and battle

on the boards. I'm going to get him going. I'm going to get Paul George going. We get everyone going. I'm going to fly in there and get rebounds. And then at the end, I guess if he's like chasing a triple double, how hard is it for him to go get 12 points, 14 points, 16 points. It's not that hard.

But I think right now, as athletic as he is, he is impossible to stop when he's passing the ball like this. If he can just cut down into turnovers, then he'd be even more unstoppable play. I think that's just part of his game. The speed of his game translates to turnovers. Okay, I've got to read this real quick. I'm way behind.

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Brian Scalabrini, great seeing you. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Oscar nominee Regina King was at Madison Square Garden last night, watching the Knicks take on the Sixers, and Joelle and B was chasing a pass, and he leapt right over Regina King's head.

This is very crazy. Oh, Lord. So we've seen this before, but it's actually, if you, If you watch the video of it, it's remarkable. He actually hurdles her entirely. Tracy Morgan is there as well. Like, look at this jump. How terrified are you when you see Joelle Embed

running full speed right over? Look, his foot just narrowly graces the top of her bun. It's, I would honestly faint. Yeah. Think about how big Joelle Embed is. Oh, he's 7-290, 285? Well, she tweeted, yo, thank you God. and Joelle Embed for your athletic abilities crisis averted.

She is up for supporting actress in If Bill Street Could Talk, which is a great movie. What's it called? If Field Street Could Talks. Have you seen it? Yes, I have. That's good. Have you seen Bohemian Rhapsody? I have.

I liked it. Phenomenal. Did you see Stars Born? I have not. I cried. Did you see Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood? I mean, the show? No, it's a movie.

No way. Yeah, Tom Hanks. No, it's not Tom Hanks. It's Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood. It's a movie. about Mr. Rogers. It's very sad. The last five minutes are gripping. Some of it is a little tedious, but... Was he a controversial

guy? A very controversial. Seriously? No, not really. But a lot of... You'd be amazed that he actually was a little controversial to people who hate in life. Some people are just miserable. I want to give Regina King, what's her movie again? If Beale Street's to talk.

I've heard that. Beale Street's in Memphis. This one is in... Is this place in Memphis? He's in New York. I can't remember. That was. That was insane. Yeah, it was. There's field streets and lots of cities. Yeah, that could have gone very badly. All right, time now for the Draft King's fantasy headline of the day.

The NASCAR Monster Energy Cup series will drop the green flag on its 2019 season with the Daytona 500 Sunday at 2.30 p.m. Eastern on Fox. It's the sports biggest event, obviously. Yeah. Heavy interest from amateur and professional gamblers alike. And Brad Kesslowski is 8 to 1 favorite. Kevin Harvick, 9 to 1. And Joey Lugano, 9 to 1. Kurt Bush has won it before, by the way, and he's finished second three times.

So take... Austin Dillon won Daytona 500 last year, but he's listed at 41-od. By the way, Goulet, you like NASCAR. What do you think about my Bush pick? It's solid. It's kind of a crapshoot race, so you should take someone with long odds and win more money. All right. Good strategy.

Finally, Jason Witten caught passes from Kellan Moore and Zach Prescott, And he believes that the offensive coordinator quarterback combo will lead to good things for the Cowboys offense. I think he will do the things that Dax likes to do. He'll do the things that they have to do to win. You know, and that's the way they have to play, you know. And I think he'll use the pass to set up the run and not just the run to set up the pass. I think he'll do a good job of that. I mean, look, they're running first team.

Strength is Zique and the offensive line. Certainly Cooper and Dak and their playmaking ability. but I think he'll add some nice wrinkles to that offense. I don't really know what to make of this move, but it does seem like players are very excited about it. Yeah, you know, it used to be, my son at 12 is much smarter than I was. My daughter at 18 is much smarter than I was at 18. This whole thing freaking out about 30-year-old coaches, this is the reality.

People, the Internet has allowed you to basically learn faster than ever. There's just more opportunities for people to learn, the film, the transparency, so I think they'll be fine. I think that this is the first step towards him becoming the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Oh, how about that? I'm heard of here first. Really?

Well, I mean, they did not extend Jason Garrett's contract. That's true. And if they don't win the division, it'd be a perfect time to move away. Right. And you're not going to put someone in that position that is, I know people talk about, you know, Sean Payton or, you know, one of these guys that has this big reputation, you're not going to deal with Jerry Jones.

Then Jerry doesn't want to deal with that either. That's pretty good. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Happy Valentine's Day, Joy, and to all... Thank you.

By the way, the people, there's nothing wrong with women giving men gifts. I gave her lots of gifts. You did? Yeah. Sweatpants. No sweatpants. So you gave him a bunch of gifts. A bunch of gifts.

Wow. I gave him a bunch of little ones and then one big one. Wow. That's really thoughtful. Well, I mean, I think it's... It's for everybody, right? Well, there's the media, the liberal media. Traditionally, it's like for women.

Tends to say women deserve more than men. But I'll tell you what. I believe in equality. Exactly. Especially on Valentine's Day. Exactly. Coming up, Lennox Lewis, all fired up. One of the great heavyweights of all time, the refined.

Boy, he had a straight right hand. Pow! Knock Tyson out Memphis. Pow! Lennox Lewis next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. days in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Oh, my absolute pleasure to bring on one of the great boxers of all time, a three-time

heavyweight champ, 41 and 2, Lennox Lewis, who is now a boxing analyst for Fox. First of all, my mother is British, Lancashire, and you're Canadian and British, and I never thought that until the end of your career, America appreciated you. By the way, you dealt with some of the same stuff in Great Britain. You can acknowledge that now. Did it bother you when you were piling up wins and knockouts, but you were a sophisticated refined boxer? You weren't goofy at press conferences.

You did everything well. You had an improving jab, straight right hand. You were a straight-up fighter. You weren't flashy. Did it bother you? That people didn't get you? Yes, to a point, to a certain degree, because, you know, there's a lot of people doing different stuff out there,

but I'm doing a lot of positive things. And, you know, it seemed like the public was on the negative side. When a train crashed, it's like, oh, forget about what you're doing. I'm going to see this train crash. So I didn't understand that as I was growing up. I understand it more now. And I've always told people that I'm like fine wine. You know, my record and everything about me will get better in time.

And it certainly did. You were like an artist. You were more appreciated when you were leaving the sport. Of course, in 2002 in Memphis, we brought. brought Memphis up for some reason earlier Beale Street. You fought Mike Tyson. It was an eighth round K.O. I remember it. You stood in the ring. One of the few guys that never backed down.

You heard him in the seventh. You knocked him down in the eighth. It was an interesting fight because a lot of people, Frank Bruno, the Brit, he hurt Mike. But I was at that fight at the Hilton and he was never comfortable. You were completely comfortable in the ring with Mike. Why was there no fear? And did you learn anything during the fight with Mike? Yeah. I, okay, well, there was no fear because I've got an extensive amateur career to Olympics, and my amateur career is big.

The fact that, you know, I'm a late bloomer as well, you know, heavyweights more, you know, get old early, but I got older later. You got better later? Better later, sorry, yes, you're right. So by the time you fought Tyson, you felt great. Oh, yeah, I felt great. I mean, he was my nemenesis throughout my whole. career type of thing. You know, when am I going to fight Tyson? When am I going to fight Tyson?

You know, the fight had to happen. You know, when he went in an incarceration, I was a bit concerned because, you know, you know, every time you get your hair cut, the barbers or some argument in the barber chair, oh, Tyson's the best, Holyfield's the best, Lewis is the best, but nobody's really seen this box together. Sure. It was very important for me and Tyson. And styles make fights. And your style was different than Mike's. You told me before you went on. you figured Mike out during the fight. Yes. Well, I figured him out before the fight.

All I did was watch the Buster Douglas fight. You know, do what Buster Douglas did. And hopefully, you know, everything should work correctly. Use your length. Use my length. This is the first time that we actually fought in a press conference. You know, as you can see, I was dressed not for a fight. I was dressed for a press conference.

And Mike bit you. Yeah. Did that intimidate you, bother you, infuriate you? How did it make you feel? It more infuriated me because, you know, we're gladiators and we fight. So to be on the stage and, you know, come at me and then, you know, I'm throwing punches at you and you want to bite me. Really, really bothered me. But I remember biting somebody one time, but that was more out of desperation.

He was choking me. So I bid him. When you fight Mike Tyson, he had a devastating left. but I thought post-incarceration, he was not, he was a sloppier fighter. He gave up on the jab. He was going, he was a home run hitter who struck out a lot. Did you, what time during that fight? Because in the seventh you heard him, did you feel at what round Lennox, this is my fight, and Mike knows it?

Yeah. You felt an edge. Yeah, around the six round, around the six, seven round. You know, it was slowly dwindling to a, a certain degree. He didn't have as much gusto as in the first round, so he wasn't coming at me as strong. And my, you know, my trainer, the late Emmanuel Stewart, bless his soul, you know, said to me that, you know, Mike Tyson fight would be my easiest fight. I didn't believe him, but, you know, it turned out as a good fight. It was a good fight. And, you know, what shocked me about Mike Tyson is

that he was able to take my punches. And how I realized that I was hitting him, because this is the first time in my whole career that my hands swolled up. And that made me realize that I was hitting him. He was taking the punches. And, you know, he's a tough, he's a tough guy. By the way, Holyfield, you fought him twice, draw, then you beat him. No, I actually beat him twice. Well, I know, but there's a draw. But, but similar to Tyson in size, you had a reach advantage and a size advantage. But Holyfield had a chin. Holyfield was a fighting warrior, you know, he figured out, he figured he did something very smart in boxing me and, you know, it really came down to his movement and what he did in the fight.

So he boxed that fight as a, actually the second fight was his better fight than the first fight. The first fight, you know, he had no chance. I was winning the fight, but he did do some good stuff. But the second fight, he really came prepared. And the first fight, I couldn't understand. He came in the ring and he was singing. I'm like, this guy's coming in the ring singing? He doesn't realize I'm the toughest guy he's ever going to fight.

So, you know, that riled me up in the fight, and I said, okay, cool, you're going to do that? So I came at him hard in the first fight. Second fight now, he came at me hard, but it was to no avail. You know, he still lost, but he was a great, great worry. I always thought Holyfield's punch was stronger than people thought, and I thought he had a remarkable chin. Did you ever find a no-name guy that gave you problems? Remember a guy named Mitch Blood Green? I'm not sure if you bought him.

Mitch Blood Green was no day at the... He had all sorts of issues. But he was just a guy you didn't want any part of. You ever fight a guy that tagged you? Nobody knows, but tagged you. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It would get me upset. I remember sparring a guy, he was like a light heavyweight.

And every time he threw his jab, it would hurt. And for some reason, it would feel like a two-by-four. And then I just got mad and start throwing some heavy punches. And then, you know, I didn't really like sparring that guy. much so I made him sit out because every time he hit me with that jab was hurting me. A sparring guy. What do you make of these UFC boxing, you know, kind of hybrid fights? You know what? What if you went in the ring with a UFC guy and he had a wrestling discipline?

That'd be a disadvantage to you. 100%. 100%. It's a disadvantage for any UFC guy to box a boxer on his home turf because Because a boxer only uses his hands. This is a sport you only use your hands. You have to be really good with your hands. You know, UFC guy uses his hands feet. He chokes you. He throws you to the ground.

He wrestles you. All those different disciplines which you have to master them all. Now, in boxing, you master one. Now for a UFC guy to step into the ring and say, oh, I'm going to throw punches for 12 rounds. Impossible. He hasn't been training that way and he hasn't been brought up that way. When you would step in the ring, I was at four of your fights.

I've always said as a sportscaster, I was never nervous watching a sporting event except heavyweight fights, where I would get butterflies in my stomach. When you are walking into that ring, it's incredible. I mean, I tell people all the time, it's better than Super Bowls, it's better than everything in the world that three and a half minute walk. What is going through your head, Tyson, Holyfield, three minutes left walking in the ring? anxiety, nerves? No, you know what it is? When I hear, I chase those crazy ballads by Bob Marley,

it kind of relaxes me. And, you know, I take my time going to the ring. It's always interesting when I'm watching a fight, watching one of my fights where I'm walking into the ring and watching my opponent, he's like, he hears the music, and he's like, where is he? He's taking a long time. And it really does my opponent in

when I take that long time to get to the ring. So it's a three-minute walk. I'll make it a five-minute walk. hardest you were ever hit in a ring. I'm glad you said in the ring, you know, because I was just thinking, when did my mom hit me the last? Tyson got one good pop on you. Yeah.

And it may have been the seventh round. You were getting on to Tyson. If I recall, he hit you with a left or an uppercut. Upper cut. Uppercut. I'm good with boxing. I can remember. Listen, I'm tall.

I'm tall already, so my chin didn't have to go that far. It's like, okay, hit me with an uppercut. But if I was shorter, you know, that would have been a big uppercut. cut, my head would have moved. That's how he knocked out Buster Douglas. Remember Buster dominated the fight. Yeah. When you were watching Buster and Tyson, that must have given you great confidence because

you were a much better fighter than Buster. Yeah. So when you were watching them in Tokyo, my interpretation is you're watching that thinking, I'm a better version of Buster. Yeah, I am. I mean, you know, when you watch those type of fights, you never know what each fighter's doing. You know, you hear Buster, his mother passed away, so he's got that mental issue. you know, this fights for his family, as for his mother, just died.

So that's a lot of power he's going into the ring with. Then you got Tyson. You don't know what he's been doing the night before or what his training discipline was or all these different things. All we see is the end result of this. And the end result was him obviously losing. And then we hear about the stories after. Yeah, that's a big part of boxing.

It is. Muhammad Ali didn't go into the ring in great shape in every fight. No. But when he went up against Joe Frazier, he was in great shape. Lennox Lewis here, three-time champ, absolute pleasure. By the way, this Saturday on Fox, world featherweight champ, Leo Santa Cruz

versus Raphael Rivera. It's been an honor. I watched you multiple times. The refined, people didn't appreciate you till late, but your record was 42, was it 41, 2-1, 32 knockouts, multiple-time

fighter of the year, Lennox, absolute pleasure. Thanks for having me. Lennox Lewis. Boxing Saturday on Fox. By the way, car shopping can be confusing. dealer price, list price, invoice, a lot of terms. Here's what's not. Save three grand off MSRP. If you have a new car, if you have a used car, it doesn't matter.

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Those days are fun. It's crazy. We don't use coasters for our drinks. I mean, we eat during the show. It's just a sloppy mess. It's great to have you in. Lennox Lewis. I could sit and talk to Lennox Lewis. You know, my first job out of college, I did boxing.

I did boxing in minor league baseball. So I've got John Noah's makes fun of me. I go Rain Man on 1980s boxing. But I was a young kid out of college doing Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hurons, Roberto Duran, Lewis, Tyson. It's kind of incredible. Because when you say all those names and that time, and you go to what boxing is now,

and like just the whole evolution of the sport is really crazy. Yeah, it was just the greatest thing in the world. The best things I've ever been at in my life are heavyweight fights. Could you imagine back, well, obviously UFC didn't exist, but like McGregor, someone like McGregor. Well, I went to the McGregor of Mayweather fight. That was a great night. Yeah.

UFC does it right. Those big fights, too. There's just nothing like the electricity in the building for a fight. It's a great date night, by the way. It's a great. My wife doesn't like sport. She'll go to a fight. Violence.

Well, yeah. I would say this is weird sounding there's kind of a sexuality to fighting there's kind of a steamy night out Friday night Vegas does that sound weird It does

All right I don't know if it's wrong But it does Okay so it just It's kind of a fight nights are cool Well no it's a fight nights And it feels like a once in a lifetime experience Right because fights takes so long to put together

And there's the celebrities and the lights And the intro music It's very dramatic yeah Black tie, women are in sequined dresses. It's kind of a cool night. 15 minutes, Greg Jennings. What are we going to do with Antonio Brown? Two teams, I think, could go after Antonio Brown, and they're both good, and I think

it'd be a great fit. No, not the Patriots. Also, tomorrow's headlines today with Jason McIntyre and Best for Last. So I'm hearing rumors about the Lakers are going to get rid of Luke Walton. And last night I got on the phone, and I spoke with a guy who's actually coached LeBron. When you're with LeBron, you've got to shut some stuff out. He goes, the media is just writing stuff. And we were at practice and we knew it wasn't true.

You're traveling with the biggest rock star in the NBA. And there's a lot of tension. A lot of people can't handle it. Remember Chris Bosch yesterday on the show? I said, when did you know playing with LeBron was different? He goes, the first hour, the press conferences. So this coach was telling me. He said, listen, there's going to be a lot of stuff going on here.

And I asked this coach about Luke Walton. And then he said, you can't get rid of Luke Walton? We got 30 games left. You're going to bring in a whole new coach and a whole new staff and a whole new system? And by the way, Jeannie Bus, according to a story this morning, owner of the Lakers, agrees. Luke will finish the season. Most believe that is orders from Jeannie Bus. She can be patient.

She's seen worse. It's not affecting her legacy. Sometimes, guys, we have to admit something. We've got bigger egos. And our egos are tied to us professionally. We elevate the bigger star you are at work, the bigger star you are, right? And this is tough for all these guys. LeBron, this is not good for LeBron's brand missing the playoffs.

Clutch sports aligned with LeBron? Today the Celtics are ripping him. Ripping Rich Paul saying they're underhanded, they're leaking stuff. It's dirty. Magic, he looked bad on that Anthony Davis mess. and Rob Palanka is a workaholic, he's under magic, he looks like Rob Lowe, but regardless of who he looks like, the Pelicans wouldn't even take a phone call from him. So you've got all these guys and all these egos, and Jeannie Bus is hovering above all of it,

saying, this is what happens when you get a superstar. We had Kobe, we had magic. My dad had Wilt Kareem. This is what happens. The woman in the room is saying, don't worry about the tension. She's hovering above all of it. and there's finger pointing and there's chaos. And as the coach told me last night,

that's just doing business with LeBron. If you're on the staff with LeBron, that's just doing business. That's just the reality of it. There's going to be some urgency and some tension and some, and it's true. But nobody thought this year was going to be special. When I said before the year, I said, I think they're going to win 49 games. You mocked me. You rushed to Twitter.

You're crazy. They're winning 38. I said, I went 48 games. And by the way, they were on pace to win 52 if LeBron didn't get hurt. And didn't the Lakers just land the world's biggest free agent in the off season? Well, yes, they did. How about we give them one more off season to see if they can land another? Because generally, that's the way it works.

You don't land everybody in one fell swoop. I'm with Jeannie Bus. Maybe I'll make up seat cushions and pins and T-shirts. LeBron went to the finals with Mike Brown, David Blatt, Ty Lou. Luke Walden is not significantly better or worse than any of those. Sometimes you just have to understand. If you go on a fishing boat and I used to work as a kid as a deckhand on a fishing boat, it's rocky and some people throw up.

Yes, you throw up the first two or three days until your stomach gets used to it. and then when you bring people on to catch fish, they throw up every time. I always get seasick. Yes, that's the reality of getting on a boat. The waters are rocky and most people can't handle it. And as the coach told me last night, this is doing business with LeBron. It's that you'll walk around, you'll read the paper, and you're like, that didn't happen to practice. And somebody will say, that happened to practice.

Chris Haynes, Yahoo Sports said yesterday, he expects Luke Walton 2 to be retained for the rest of the year. I think he is. If you look at what all is transpired over the last couple of weeks, I don't think that you can place the blame primarily on Luke Walt. There's no secret about it that, you know, the trade rumors that were going on with the Lakers and New Orleans Pelicans, how everything just became so public. You just knew that it was going to take time for that locker room to heal from that. Then you add the fact that LeBron James out for a significant amount of time.

With all those factors, I just don't think you can place the blame solely on Luke as a right now. We've got 30 games. Let's get into the playoffs. Lakers, I think, will. Try to avoid playing Golden State in the first round. And then go after Anthony Davis and probably have to give up less than you would have a week ago. Let me shift gears to this. The New York Giants are a football club.

They are reportedly out on five, eight and a half quarterback prospect, Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray's agent, though, he's a big shot. He does a podcast with Johnny Mansell. He came out yesterday and ripped these old guys in the NFL that don't get his client. Listen. Tyler is not some little shrimp they're making him out to be. This kid weighs 205 yesterday. Holy shit.

This kid has jacked the F up. These days and age of these old NFL dinosaurs and scouts that sit back and talk about what players can't do, Oh, he can't do that. He's not this. He's not that. Those are the losers. You want all your requirements and all of that? That's not what the NFL game is today.

Yeah, it actually is exactly what the NFL game is today. You have this, you don't have that. It's called scouting. They have a combine. They measure you. By the way, he called them dinosaurs and losers. Eric Burkhart, be careful. You host a weekly podcast with Johnny Manzel.

Be careful calling other people losers. Bill Belichick is 66. His owner is 77. Andy Reed was in the AFC championship. He's 60. Drew Brees was 40 in the NFC championship. Bob Kraft is 77 owns the greatest dynasty in American sports. Are they losers and dinosaurs too? Drew Brees, Andy Reed, Bill Belichick. By the way, who was the best L.A. Ram in the Super Bowl?

no, 71-year-old defensive coordinator, Wade Phillips. Tom Brady has never played in a Super Bowl and been that flummoxed for all but one drive. Are they dinosaurs? Are they losers? Five-eight and a half, Kyler Murray, size matters in sports. And it did in the Mesozoic era. Didn't the biggest dinosaurs, as you called those coaches?

Didn't the biggest dinosaurs eat the smaller dinosaurs? you do get that T-Rex was the goat, right? T-Rex is the greatest of all time. He ate the smaller dinosaurs. You're not a dinosaur if you prefer 6, 3-5, 225, big arm, and highly functioning personality. Yeah, I'm sorry, that's not a dinosaur. That's not a loser. There's never been a 5, 8-and-a-half quarterback.

this guy is smaller potentially than Julian Edelman. You ever watched him play? Seems a tad small for a quarterback, no. Well, he did play a quarterback in college. It can't state. To his defense. By the way, I am a little older, maybe I'm sensitive, but Netflix is changing television. Reed Hastings is their CEO. He's almost 60.

Jeff Bezos has changed retail, putting people out of business. He's closer to 60 than he is 45. And oh, by the way, 5-8-and-a-half is something to be concerned about. so is only playing 17 college games, and so is going on the Dan Patrick show, and you can't answer a question unless dad answers it for you. This actually happened. Are you going to the combine?

I don't know. Dad, is he going to the combine? Dad had no comment there. Pro day? I mean, that's after the combine. Yeah, you're going to do a pro day? Yeah? Yeah.

I guess if you would say, yeah, I get, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm a loser too. I'm a dinosaur too. Because for my $6 billion franchise, the most verbal position, that's what I get. Yeah, I'd be a little concerned. I guess I'm a dinosaur. So is Belichick, Brady, Annie Reid, Drew Brees, Wade, Wade Phillips, Bob Kraft,

they're dinosaurs too. Says the guy, the agent, who hosts a weekly podcast. With dynamite, Johnny Mansell. All right. T-Rex, the goat. Even though he did eat Joy's favorite goats, the little ones, or the little dinosaurs. Little dinosaurs. Yeah, the ones you liked in Jurassic Park.

They're the goat of dinosaurs, the Lhospraptors. Yeah. I just saw a story. Somebody just sent it to him. Remember Dane Cook? Yes. People do controversial comedian making a comeback. Did you like Dane Cook, Goulet?

You're kind of a frat boy back then. Thanks He had a brief run where I thought he was funny And then he wasn't very funny anymore A little over exposure I would say I never thought he was a... I don't know why I'm kind of a frat boy Well back then you were a frat boy

You drank a lot of beer and weren't responsible In college so yeah it gives a little more sense I mean aren't you like either a frat boy or not a frat boy Yeah I was I was I was I was I was I was never John's personality he was a frat boy for a while And then John grew up. He grew a beard. Right, like personality.

He wears grown-up shirts. But John teetered. I saved John's life. I mean, if you really dig deep into it. He was really going nowhere. And then now he's going everywhere. Greg Jennings, Jason McIntyre. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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So you can't just say stuff and just drop it in front of me. Like a huge, like, fresh peanut butter cookie and not want me to eat it. So Greg just drops something in me. And he's just like passing. It was like, duh, yeah, I did this. I changed the world. So I said, you said to me during the break, you said, I would love to see Green Bay get Antonio Brown.

And as you're saying that, I'm thinking, got Aaron Rogers and Antonio Brown, the highlights would be outrageous. And I said to you casually, oh, do you know Antonio? And you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, how good. You're like, I just talked to him for two and a half hours yesterday. You had lunch with him. You broke bread.

Yeah, we sat down. We talked. Okay, is this supposed to be private? I mean, I'm not one that just goes around just saying, oh, yeah, I sat down with AB. and I don't need to say that. I respect him enough to know how players like to be treated. Okay, so let me ask you.

I'm not going to try to put you in the crosshairs. But does he feel what was the crux of his biggest, what was his biggest dilemma there? Why the frustration? Is there one thing? Quarterback receiver relationship. Wasn't great. No.

Ban was less respectful. And I don't think, you know what, I'm not going to just say quarterback receiver relationship, quarterback team relationship, leadership, leadership skills, what Ben did not do that's not talked about. And I think that's the challenging part from a receiving standpoint when you're in a position where it appears that everything looks great, everything is great, between the dynamic of a quarterback and a receiver, but we all want that Tom Brady, Julian Edelman type relationship. And he doesn't feel he had that.

No. Why? Like when you say what Ben didn't do, is it call him, is it extra practice? Is it? It's just, a lot of it is being accountable. Ben wasn't accountable.

Being accountable for when you're wrong. And it doesn't have to be in the public. That's the thing that I think receivers get bad rap. I don't care that you don't tell the media, but when we're in the meeting room, when we're in the locker room and we're, it matters what our teammates think and how we are as a team, a bond, a family, I need you to own it. I need to know that you're going to own it in front of the most important people, not in front of the cameras. Nobody cares about that because we all are going to say the right things. We all are going to make sure that, uh, unless,

we are just oblivious to team dynamics, we're not going to just say anything to ruffle feathers intentionally. But that's, yeah, that's the just of it, honestly. He doesn't want to be a stealer. No, I mean, he acts for a trade. He doesn't want to be a stealer. He loves Steelers Nation. Everything that they've provided him. He's grateful for it. He understands what it's done for his career. But he also understands that, look, I've done some pretty special things, and I still have a great work ethic, and I'm looked at to be this bad guy. And I'm not saying some of the decisions that he's made are decisions that I would condone, or I would say, you know what, great job, Antonio Brown. Absolutely not. He bears some blame here, for sure. There's never all blame on one side. But I think, from his perspective, he's getting the bad end of the rap.

And it's going to be that way because he's the one that's doing what's considered to be the wrong things or acting out. Is there a place or two, he would be more comfortable going? He's out here in California, right? Of course. He likes the warm weather. Can I throw two teams at you? Absolutely. I believe you have to have three or four things to make Antonio Brown work.

One, you have to have a coach that's tolerant and capable of handling a big profile. player. Adam Gase to me is way too tight. We saw that in Miami. You need a quarterback who throws a gun. Adam Gase is actually extremely loose. Like he is one of the... He moved out of Diamond Domen, Doming, and Sue. He wants guys out. Yeah, but

it was a cultural thing. So you tell me he would go to the Jets? It seems like you're... I'm not saying he would because when you're dealing with a guy that's like Antonio Brown, he wants to still again, get his numbers. That doesn't drive me nuts.

He wants receptions. But he does want to win. He does want to win. And I think to the point I believe you were going to is like out here you got Jimmy Garoppolo who he believes in. But you have Kyle Shanahan that is a head coach that knows what he wants. He knows how to get players opportunities and catches and advance what they're doing to better the team. Yeah, because the Niners have a couple of.

of two receivers. Dante Pettis, Marquis Goodwin, they need a one. Yes. And by the way, they're bringing back Jared McKinnon, who's a great pass-catching running back. And you have a tight-in that is... Kittles is unbelievable. Kittles is great. He's a healthier, he's a healthier. He's not quite as base. Faster. Right. He's faster. But not as strong. No, you bring in Antonio Brown. Wow. Who's the other team you were going to throw at me? Well, the two, I didn't even take San Francisco. Okay. Because I worry about Shanahan can be... And like Mike, he's got a world

view, and if your worldview isn't his, I think the Eagles and the Rams, I think they're used to big names. They have good deep ball quarterbacks. They have incredibly tolerant player-friendly coaches. They have a locker room. Michael Bennett goes to the Eagles, not an issue. You know what? I never thought about the Eagles.

Honestly, I never thought about the Eagles. And they need a perimeter go-to guy. They do. I like even better than that. Honestly, probably my number one choice. If I were Antonio, but I would love to see him and Andrew Luck. And Indianapolis alongside. I don't think they'd do that.

I don't think they would, but I would love to see that dynamic. By the way, what do you make a Kyler Murray's agent called GMs that don't get his quarterback, dinosaurs and losers? Look, this is an agent that obviously doesn't get it. I don't see how you make this statement on top of the statement that your client just released to all NFL decision makers that I'm fully committed to football and I'm willing to prove to all decision makers that I am the franchise quarterback. Like he just said, I'm willing to prove this to all decision makers and then on top of that,

my agent then comes out and says these dinosaur decision makers basically in the NFL. you just made something worse for a client that he understands he's 5-9. He knows what he's getting into. But as a player, he also understands it only takes one team to like me. It only takes one team to buy in. Look at Baker Mayfield. The guy came from the same situation. Cleveland Brown, everyone else.

Even Cleveland, we didn't know that he was going to Cleveland. We didn't know Cleveland was going to drive Baker Mayfield. at most most people had Baker Mayfield third or fourth on their draft board out of quarterbacks. Not first, but Cleveland saw something that they were

willing to take a chance on and that fit what they were trying to do moving forward and it works. That's all Kyla Murray needs. So for an agent to come out and say that, he doesn't make anything better by saying this. Yeah, I remember Drew Rosenhouse when he was young and he was

it worked. He was the first agent that was really hyper-aggressive. And his client base was guys like Warren Sapp had some controversy. And so, like, he was a controversial agent with a controversial set of players. It kind of worked. But, again, that wasn't quarterback. Exactly. I say this.

When Kyler Murray goes on Dan Patrick and doesn't talk, if he's a wide receiver, I'm like, that's not great. If he's a quarterback, I'm like, whoa, that's not good at all. It's the most verbal position on the field. It is. And by the way, like Kyla Murray, what he provides, I absolutely love him. It's fun to watch. Fun to watch. And we're all making it seem like, and don't get me wrong, the height issue, I don't think it's going to be an issue. Not in this National Football League where over 60% of the snaps are taken out a shotgun. Like this isn't the dinosaur league where every snap is taken from under center. And it matters that I have vision. And I can get separation from.

from the defensive and offensive line to be able to throw over and see. I'm already in a shotgun. It has not affected him at the collegian level. I don't believe it will affect or impact his game and his style of play on this level. I don't. Good stuff. I can't believe I had Lennox Lewis on earlier today. You have never been to a boxing match.

I've never. It's the greatest thing ever. Have you been to enjoy? I don't think so now that I think about it. No, I've been to a UFC match. Okay, you've been to a UFC? I haven't been to a UFC. It's really good.

I know. You take your wife, you wear a tux, she wears a sequin dress. You do not have to wear a t-shirts to a UFC fight. Oh, a t-shirt if you don't have one. Everybody go. It's a big thing. A boxing match in a Saturday. Actually, it's probably not smart to wear a tux because you might have to run, you know,

because the fighters might jump over. Come on, let's be nice to the UFC. It'll be quick. All right, Greg Jennings, good to seeing you. Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Yeah, I got to tell you, I can't even imagine how I would be acting if that happened and I was there.

I do not like a lot of chaos around me. You don't like chaos? No, because I'm a very, I'm pretty calm person, but I have a switch, you know? Oh, oh, one of those women. It's not a dimmer. It's on or off. On or off. We want to stay down. All right.

We want to keep it that way. All right, so LeBron wants to be an NBA owner one day, and he has made it clear that it will happen. He told the athletic, ain't no maybe about it. I'm going to do that bleep. I know I got a great team around me that can help me do anything I want to do. If I wanted to run for president of the United States and I got a team around me that could help me possibly win it, if I decided I wanted to give my all to it. Now, Jordan bought Charlotte for $275 million in 2010.

They're now worth $1.25 billion, according to Forbes' team's valuations last week. He owns 90% of the Hornets. But I would say that's a pretty rare situation. Again, teams don't really become available that often. So I do believe that LeBron will be an owner, and I think he'll be a good owner. And I think we hold, at least I do, I feel like it's part of Jordan's reputation as an owner. We hold Jordan as an owner to the same standard that we held him to as a player. It doesn't really necessarily work that way.

Well, he was a bad GM. That doesn't mean he's a bad owner. Right. Yeah, I mean, GM. And I think LeBron would be a very player-furt. friendly owner. I think he'd have a good atmosphere. I wonder what kind of people he would put in place to run the team

or if he'd be like a meddling type of owner. But I do think he would I mean, I think MJ's successful, but you want to win a championship. You don't necessarily think of them as being dysfunctional or anything. Being a GM is different than being an owner. They're both hard, but a GM is watching hours of tape and going to Slovenia

to look at a point guard. You have a little more responsibility as a GM. A lot of work. So Steve Kerr was ejected. Last night against the trailblazers, he lost his mind after a call. Draymond Green fouled Zach Collins while trying to prevent a layup. Yeah. And the referees reviewed it and decided to give Green a flagrant foul for unnecessary physical contact. Ridiculous.

And then Steve Kerr got very upset. And he, you know, spiked his, he gronk spiked his clipboard and got thrown out. There we go. And boom. Very angry. Look at Steve Kerr. I mean, it's, you know, he punched Jordan. He and Jordan got into a fight.

Michael Jordan. He punched Jordan. No, Jordan punched him, I think. He got into a fight with Michael Jordan. That's how it went down. He's very feisty. He is feisty. I love Durant, Durant, doing the homie backbro.

It's so good. Look at him. Look at it. You know, is it me, or Steve Kurt reminds me of an actor? You ever seen that series Ozark, Justin Bateman? Yeah. He's a blonde, Justin Batesman. He could be an actor.

Isn't Justin Bateman blonde? Well, he's Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman. Steve Kerr looks like, look at him. He looks like one of those slender actors with perfect hair. Look at him. He's almost auditioning for a role there. Okay, but more importantly, I don't even think he's that mad.

Is this worth it? Because it was a foul. Look at him. He's all feisty. I don't know that it was a flagger, but I don't know that it was that serious here. I think he was trying to keep Draymond from getting dogs. You talk about it. You don't have a dimmer switch.

Kerr's the same way. Oh, yeah. He's very steady until. And then he gets ticked. It's on. All right. Finally, Kyler Murray is around 5'9.

And it wouldn't be surprising if he measured short than that at the Combine in a few weeks. But whatever the final result is, Lincoln Riley says Murray's height won't matter. I think Kyler's like Baker. And that he is short. He's been short all of his life. He's learned to deal with it. It's not a factor for him. The guy, I think, had four or five bat.

It down passes, I think, the whole season. It's just not much of a factor as much as people with it. think it is. And we got to live that for really the last four years playing with what guys would consider short, you know, prototypical quarterbacks. And it was never an issue for us. And I think it's something that'll get made a lot of at draft time. And I think once, you know, Kyler starts playing just like Baker, I don't think it'll be a factor at all. You know, I will say this, he's fun to watch. I like, when you watch him, my television set, my eyes like watching Kyler Murray. And some players are effective. They're not, you know, Jared Goff is a

effective. He's not a dynamic watch. Marcus Marietta can be effective. He's not a dynamic watch. Oh, he can throw it down the field, though, Jared Gough. I think the thing with Kyler Murray is that what his team needs to realize is that when you have something like this, like you're a shorter quarterback, or you're not a mobile quarterback, or you're considered to only be a mobile quarterback. It's draft time. Everyone's going to overly examine everything about you. This is what they do. The combine, they're going to pick everything apart.

At the end of the day, a team is going to take Kyler Murray and take a risk on him because the quarterback is a very important position. And no, his height doesn't matter as much as it usually does because the quarterbacks are protected more now and the game is a little bit different. But as a franchise quarterback, I don't know, but

nobody thought that big made it was going to somebody's going to draft him early. They just are. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News. He's always fun tomorrow's headlines today. with J-Mac, Jason McIntyre.

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I don't get paid on clicks. You get paid on clicks. We don't necessarily get paid on clicks. But obviously the Josh Rosen Patriots stuff that you guys mentioned. That did well. People want to find out what's next after Brady for the Patriots. NBA free agency stuff. Something we did on the Milwaukee Bucks hit, which was very rare.

One of our guys, Ryan Glass Beagle. Obviously the media stuff, your old buddy at that network that got canned. That did some traffic. I just saw something funny today. Kevin Durant, the last note. Durant? Always. People love Kevin Durant, and they hate Kevin Durant, yes. Simultaneously, they hate him because he went to the Warriors, but they love him because,

my gosh, he is good. Isn't he awesome at basketball? Yeah, he's a great basketball. He's just very good at what he does. Yeah. All right, Jason McIntyre, we usually do it in Friday. We're on radio only tomorrow, which is drinks with no coasters. We will be completely out of control. Tomorrow's headlines today, where the Lakers bounce back after the All-Star break. Tomorrow's headline today. Everybody wants to fire Luke Walton. I believe tomorrow headline will be Lakers make

Western Conference Finals. Colin, people, I did radio show this morning with Doug Gottlieb and, you know, he's saying Lakers are going to be fine and I say, okay, let me make the case here for you. Okay? Luke Walton gets the Lakers 21 and 5 the rest of the way.

LeBron pulls it off. They get to the playoffs, get the 7 seat. I think that's my gut feeling is kind of a 7 seat. As bad as it's been, they're about 4 games out. 21 and 5 is kind of lofty. I don't think they'll need that to be the seventh seed. Fine. The Sacramento Kings aren't going to win, you know, 10 games in a row. So you get the seventh seed, you face Denver in the first round. Are you afraid of

Jokic and Jamal Murray? No, I would take LeBron. I've said that's the matchup where the Lakers will go in as a dog and win. It would be Denver. So they're basically four games back. That's not insurmountable. By the way, the Spurs have lost like four or five in a row before a win recently. And the Lakers get in and then they got to face OKC, Russell Westbrook against Paul George. I know Russell and Paul George against Kevin Durant will be fun at some point, but I think LeBron can take those two guys down, don't you? Well, Westbrook in the regular season has altered his style.

But the NBA is very different league, and I tell people of this, there's the regular season, then there's the playoffs, and then there's often the finals. Like even within a series, there's alterations. Will Westbrook be the giving distributor? In the playoffs. Let me remind you, game six in Utah last year, he took 43 shots. Yes.

Score 46 point, but 43 shots. With Paul George on his team. So he has a history of relentlessness that it's hard to shut off. He has no dimmer switch. He, as a human being, when it goes off, he's a fireworks show. This is, Western Conference Finals, I don't think is crazy. I don't think it is actually because the Clippers are ahead of them, and the Clippers built a lot of that record with Tobias Harris.

He just traded him. I don't think it's a crazy. The schedule is difficult, but again, I keep coming back to this. Like, we doubted the Patriots. Well, maybe not you, but other people doubted the Patriots. The Chargers can beat them. The Chiefs will beat them. We keep doubting the Patriots and they keep coming through.

Do you want to keep doubting LeBron? Remember last year the Toronto Raptors? They're there. It's their time. No, it's never their time. All right, Monday. Tomorrow's headlines today. Do you think Kyrie and the Celtics are headed for a breakup?

Tomorrow's headline will be. Kyrie a river. I do believe it's it's heading toward over for Kyrie in Boston. I agree with you. I don't think it's a great fit. It's just not. The Brad Stevens system works so well last year in the postseason, Colin. And you see with Kyrie, he's very ball dominant. He's not James Harden ball dominant, but he wants to be the guy so badly. I got to get out from

LeBron so I can be the guy. And I don't feel like it's working. Gordon Hayward had a great game against the Sixers. 26 points. Yeah, no, Gordon Hayward at Now, again, I don't watch every single Celtic game, but Gordon Hayward appears to play better when Kyrie's not around. Remember, Gordon Hayward two years ago in Utah was the best player on the Jazz who knocked off the clippers in the first round. They won game seven on the road.

Gordon Hayward can be a number one, but in the Brad Stevens system, it could be Jason Tatum. It feels to me like Kyrie Irving is done in Boston. I don't think he resigns there. And then I think you get the question of Anthony Davis. Is Boston really going to be in play for Anthony Davis? I don't think they will. I was told last week by somebody who I trust implicitly.

Anthony Davis is not a long-term self. He's got no interest. It's L.A. or bust for Anthony Davis. But if Kyrie leaves, then it's where does he go? Does he go to Brooklyn? Does he go to the Clippers? The Knicks are lurking. Like, I just don't think it fits in Boston.

And I know he's set all season. I want to be in Boston, blah, blah, blah. It just doesn't feel like it's trending that way. Number three, tomorrow headline today. what will the biggest trade of the NFL offseason be? Our good buddy, Jay Glazer's been in the news a lot lately. Not for Antonio Brown, but for O'Dell Beckham, and give me this headline. Odelt to Cleveland.

His buddy, Jarvis Landry, of course, from LSU, he's a star in Cleveland. Baker Mayfield recently hanging out with O'Dell Beckham. I know that the league realizes Baker Mayfield's a click machine. He is. He's a ratings machine. Odell Beckham, Baker Mayfield, Kareem. Kareem Hunt, Nick Chubb. No, this is, listen.

I just talked about it on my podcast coming up winners. It's out in a couple hours. The Browns are 33 to 1 to win the Super Bowl next year. Don't scoff. The Eagles with Carson Wentz were about 500, won the Super Bowl the next year. It's not crazy that the Browns, they get Odell Beckham. Tell you, between their tight end,

there are three running backs. And they're all young. Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham. That would be the best assembly of offensive talent on a team. I'm dead serious here. You're going back to like the 70s when it was Franco and Rocky and Terry

and Benny Cunningham and Swan and Stalworth. All these guys are under like 28. No. This is something real in Cleveland. They're tight ends great. And Joku, yeah. I mean Cleveland's got players. If you're Cleveland, just push all your chips in the middle.

Go for Odell. You've got the salary cap room. The Giants can't afford him. You know he's going to take up 11% of their cap in New York next year? They got like no pass rusher. The cornerbacks are struggling. No offensive line. Olivier Vernon?

Yeah, he's all right. But the defense got shredded this year with him, Landon Collins. Like, they just need so many players. They got to move on from Odell. God, that'll be. Jay Glazer, for the record, did come out. And his tweet said what?

Well, we can't repeat that one. But his prediction is O'Dell Beckham has traded this off season. That's big. And Jay Glazer doesn't just throw stuff. No. If Glazer's saying it, Glazer knows something. Glazer through the years. has been totally connected to the Giants.

And he does the kind of thing that, you know, he's told me, like, I'm not a newsbreaker guy, but Jason, you're going to meet people out here. You're going to make sources. Don't just go parrot it out instantly. Hold on to it, let it marinate, and then spill it. And I know you do that. You do well with that. I talked to an NBA coach last night, a very, very powerful man.

Okay. Steve Kerr, after he got ejected. No, I talked to an NBA coach who had, over the last eight years, has coached LeBron. and he talked about some, like he said, listen, love the guy, but the LeBron thing just becomes a circus. Yeah. Kevin Durant was not wrong.

Kevin Durant, remember, said it's a circus. He wants to play with him. Well, that part, I would want to play with him. I'd love to play with LeBron. We should get Kyrie Irving over here and ask Kyrie why he didn't want to play with him. Well, Kyrie again, he didn't listen to Aristotle. The world is round. I think he's backed off the Earth's slat thing a little bit.

Once Galileo goes with something and Woj confirms it and retweets Galilee's Galileo. Goh, confirmed Galileo. Good to know. If Woj tweeted, it's the truth. If O'Dell goes to Cleveland's, that's going to put actual expectations. Oh, my God. There will be so many prime time games for the Browns next year.

All right, here we go. Tomorrow's Headlines today. Who's going number one overall in the NFL draft? Okay, so, you know, it's fun to talk about. I think your buddies with him, Cliff Kingsbury. I don't know Cliff Kingsbury. He feels like a you kind of guy, right? He's a South Bay guy out here in L.A.

Party animal. Come on. That's coward. He's on the scene. be friend calling a son. I should be a nice guy. I didn't love the hire,

so he probably didn't like me. Nothing against him. I just thought, good God, he's a kid. He's a kid. He's been successful. But here's the headline

for the NFL draft. Height ain't nothing but a number. I know you know that classic saying, age is nothing but a number. He doesn't get that. I know you've been anti-Kyler Murray. I'm not anti. He's a first round quarterback.

I just think the silent treatment on Dan Patrick's show was weird. He's 5-8-and-a-half. His agent yesterday called basically Belichick and Andy Reid dinosaurs, old guys. He's stumping for his client. Let me just defend Kyla Murray. First of all, he's going to crush the interview process at the combine. Why?

Well, this is a guy who was drafted in Major League Baseball. He's dealt with people at the highest levels in baseball. He was 42 and 0 in high school. His dad was his coach, a legend in high school in Texas. transfers from A&M to Oklahoma. He's just, he's a winner and a smart guy. He's an intelligent dude from what I hear, and he's going to really slay the combine.

Don't rule out number one overall. Seriously. Kingsbury and him, and then you trade Rosen for a hole. I think he's going to go top ten. If I'm Jacksonville, oh, by the way, I have a theory on this. The Baltimore with Lamar Jackson's going to go Levian Bell, and that because they're going to go on the running thing, and my takeaway is if you have,

Leonard Furnett, you've got to go with a because unless you can get a great throwing quarterback, I think they're going to become Baltimore, South, and Jacksonville, get Kyler Murray and Fernett and be a run first team. Leonard, wait, Leveon Bell's going to stay in division and go to the Ravens? Is that your prediction? Yeah, wow. From the steel, that would be.

He would be public enemy number one. Who cares? In Pittsburgh. I thought your Colts were in the mix for him. I don't believe the... I think the Colts. Tampa Bay, keep an eye on them. But anyways, back to Kyler Murray for a sec.

Cliff Kingsbury has shown he can produce in the Big 12th. Patrick Mahomes came from the Big 12. Lights out this year. I don't see why Kyler Murray can't put up big numbers in the NFL in a spread system where he's moving outside the pocket to make up for his height deficients. All right, Jason McIntyre, great stuff today, the big lead. See you tomorrow. Last night, a blown call changed the game.

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