The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Matt Patricia, Bill Belichick, Sam Darnald, & Aaron Rodgers-Tom Brady

Episode Date: September 12, 2018

Colin discusses why HC Matt Patrica isn't working out in Detroit, why coaches who leave Bill Belichick continue to fail, why QB Sam Darnold and the New Jets are not a mess, why New England Patriots QB Tom Brady is the GOAT, and more on Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rogers' injury. Guests include Nick Wright, Joel Klatt, and Albert Breer. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Morning. Are we both wearing our sweaters? We are. We kind of moved into sweater weather. Well, I didn't wear my button down under the sweater, so we're not twining too hard. Yeah, the heat's come down a little bit. We got good stuff. I want to start the show with something that I never really thought about before,

but I watched Matt Patricia, another Belichick guy, and it just didn't work on Monday. The Lions, there's multiple reports since he took the job. Players don't like him. Players don't relate to him. He's too gruff. He works too hard. You watch him on the sidelines, hat on backwards, pencil. He's a mess.

Nobody's communicating. Stories out today. He's over his head. Nobody likes him. Another Bill Belichick guy is not working. And it is remarkable. How many Bill Belichick? Josh McDaniel, failed.

Charlie Weiss didn't work. Bill O'Brien, good luck. Jim Schwartz fired. Eric Mangini. Romeo Cronnell. By the way, all different cats. All different dudes. Some are more quiet, Romeo Cronnell.

Some are more empathetic. Eric Mangini. Some are gruff. Nick Saban, Charlie Weiss. All different. different kind of coaches. None of fail. And we know that Belichick is the best coach in the NFL. In my opinion, he's as good as coaches we've ever had. And that includes the Lombardies, the Jimmy Johnson's, the Parcells, the Bill Walsh. He's as good as they have. And another

assistance not working. But here's what's interesting. Andy Reed, Mike Holmgren, Denny Green. We don't consider them as good a head coach, but why are their coaching trees much more successful. Andy Reed and Mike Holmgren, Todd Bowles, Doug Peters, and Pat Schumer, Ron Rivera, John Harbaugh, Super Bowl. It's amazing. Guys are winning. Got Super Bowls. Mike Holmgren, similarly. Very successful coaching tree. Denny Green, Tony Dungey, Mike Tomlin, Jim Caldwell got to a Super Bowl. Brian Billick won a Super Bowl. What's happening here? And I have a belief about this. that Belichick is as close to a football genius as we've ever had. There's a lot of smart people in Silicon Valley.

Steve Jobs was a genius. There's a lot of smart people in science. Elon Musk is probably a tortured genius. Geniuses are not good mentors. They're not as caring. They're not as patient. They don't put their arm around you. They're not taking you out for dinners.

geniuses do not make good mentors. When you're around a genius, and I think I've only worked around one person that I thought was sort of at a different level upstairs, you just siphon everything you can from them. I had a friend who worked for Bill Gates. It's like Bill's not patient enough to make you great. What you do is study Bill Gates, figure out as much as you can about Bill Gates, hopefully don't tick off Bill Gates, but he's not going to put his arm around you and hug you. He's changing the world.

Bill Belichick is not a great mentor. And proximity to genius doesn't make you a genius. Even inside a family with the same DNA, you can have the smart daughter and the dumb son. So even DNA in the same house, same school, same parents, same blood, same everything, proximity to genius doesn't make you a genius. But if you look at Bill Belichick's coaching tree, there are disasters in the NFL everywhere. And you just have to realize that. Is that some people, I think Andy Reid's a really good coach.

Mike Holgren's a really good coach. Denny Green's a really good coach. But I never thought of them as football savants. But I do think of them, and I've met all of them, and I like all of them, they're more caring. They'll put their arm around you. They'll share wisdom. They're more patient. Chris Carter was talking about Denny Green, who he played under in Minnesota, the kind of guy he was.

And it doesn't really sound like Belichick. Listen. Even in losing, there's some ugly parts to this business. Denny Green used to go back on the plane and check on every single guy. How you doing? Saw you had a rough one. All right. Take it easy.

He used to tell me, when I tore both my calves, I'll see you next Sunday. On Sunday. And in that little personal touch, that comes with being a season coach, which these coaches don't have. And it will be a problem because it ain't the X's the O's in the NFL. It's the Willie's and the Joe's. And you need football players to go out there and do that work. And that's something that he's going to have to learn.

But Denny Green after games goes down to every player on the plane. How you're doing? How you're feeling? How's the family? Don't get too down. That's not Belichick. Geniuses don't do that. Steve Jobs didn't do that.

Elon Musk is not doing that. Andy Reid is, Mike Hongren is. Sometimes, and I'll give you an example, Belichick wasn't Belichick, until he found the perfect quarterback who was as driven as him, as focused as him, as aspirational as him, as tough on himself as him.

Belichick didn't work. He didn't work in Cleveland, and he was 5-11 in Green Bay. Belichick is a lot like a comedic genius. And again, Elon Musk, Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry David. Larry David created Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm. He's kind of considered a genius. Larry David was a failed stand-up comic, frustrated.

And then he met his Tom Brady. His Tom Brady was Jerry Seinfeld, who was the perfect, driven less chaotic, take a deep breath, cerebral comic that could pacify and understand the genius of Larry David. And then Larry is an all-timer. Belichick wasn't working in this league. He's not patient. He's not the greatest mentor. He was failing in this league.

Larry David was just a smart comic and failing. Then Brady and Seinfeld come into it. And they find the perfect mate to handle their genius just as driven, just as aspirational, and can take the edge off Bill and the edge off Larry David. So just because your boss and your near him is smart, proximity to genius has never, even inside a house with the same parent, same DNA, has never equaled a genius. All right, I want to shift gears to my, you know, I've been kind of in a relationship with Tom Brady, for years, kind of kicking him to the curb for Sam Darnold.

We're breaking up, Tom and I. Maybe have a year left. But I am flirting right now with Sam Darnold. That guy's amazing. And you know I love Sam Darnal. But people are going bonkers. I'm listening to radio yesterday. I literally heard a host say, listen,

if he is a Hall of Fame quarterback, the Giants are going to be reeling for years. Folks, he beat Detroit. He beat Matt Patricia. I love. But here's the thing everybody's missing about the Sam Darnold story. When you say the Jets, you just think of dysfunction. The Jets aren't that dysfunctional.

Let me give you dysfunctional. The Cleveland Browns, last 19 years, two winning seasons. The Jets have had nine winning seasons. That's not dysfunctional. Detroit has no playoff win since 1991. The Jets have six. Chicago's had four head coaches in six years. The Jets have had half that and just gave Todd Bowles an extension.

And Buffalo is once again the worst team in the league. I can't remember a year in the last two decades. I thought the Jets were the worst team in the league. I'm trying to find years. The bills weren't. Okay. Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Buffalo. Those are utter dysfunction.

Even against the Giants, you think of the Giants as great and the Jets as a mess. Let's go to the last decade. Giants have four playoff wins. Jets have four playoff wins. The Giants have won five more games in the last decade. In the last decade. And that's with the Jets being in a division with Tom Brady. So that's O in two most years.

The Jets are actually built. They're built for a young quarterback to succeed. And I love Darnold. They're no bigger fan in the American media as Sam Darnold. The Jets are not as dysfunctional. First of all, and I've said this, Joy has been here. I've said this now twice in the last month. Todd Bowles is the best coach in the NFL with a losing record.

Jeremy Bates, the offensive coordinator, is an excellent offensive coordinator. The Jets have had one owner in 19 years. Their defense way above average. They have the single best backup slash mentor quarterback in the NFL and Josh McCown. And it's not close. If Josh McCown retired at the end of the year, 32 NFL teams would hire him. The Jets are going to. They also have a ton of cap space.

The Jets have $105 million of cap space at the end of the year. That's the most in the NFL. They can get them a left tackle, two running backs and a slot receiver. and they also plan the weaker AFC. In fact, they play in the weakest AFC East. They get the bills twice a year. They get the dolphins twice a year. I love Sam Donald.

Nobody loves Sammy. I'm in Sam's Club. I mean, I got the card, baby. He's Sammy now? He's Sammy. He's my Sammy. I mean, honestly, he's my Sammy. But the Jets aren't that dysfunctional. Sam Donald's got a much better situation going forward than the Baker Mayfield does

or Josh Allen does. This is a real defense. I don't got the Steelers in my division and the Ravens. I got the Patriots. You know, it is a weird thing about the Jets because when you think of the Jets even with the Rex Ryan era, everyone forgets the AFC championship games. They were right there. Like Mark Sanchez is known as being the butt bomb. He was the quarterback of the AFC championship. The AFC championship games. We are, we are labeling, you know, there's a lot of businesses out there that you label one thing. You know, I was talking, this morning we were talking about this, the adult film entertainment business.

It's all run by Ivy League guys. You're like, oh, it's all run by guys that went to Dartmouth and Princeton and Harvard and Yale. You know what I mean? You look at the Jets and you're like, oh, my God, the last 10 years, they've lost five more games in the Giants, been to the playoffs, and won four times.

That's my branding's important. The Jets, Sam Darnold's going to work and I don't think he's Cam Newton as an armed talent. I don't think he's Andrew Luck as a talent. I don't think he has Patrick Mahomes' arm talent. But he's got a real defense, a ton of cap space, weaker division, great O.C, the best mentor backup quarterback perhaps the league has ever had.

And this team has $105 million of cap space. They're going to be able to spend $105 million on a tackle, a running. Lavian Bell may be a New York jet. And I'm not joking on this. If the jets go 4-0, don't be sure. shocked if they make a play for Levian Bell. I mean, if the Jets start winning games and look up and they're three and

they're like, you know what, in our division, we may not be New England, we may be able to pose some wins with our defense. So as much as I and I love Sammy. I'm a card carrying member of Sam's Club. This is not Cleveland. Tribisky's

got more to overcome in Chicago. This is not Deshawn Kaiser Baker in Cleveland. This is not Josh Allen and Buffalo. Those are messes. You got to overcome. There's not a ton to overcome in New York. The Jets aren't a mess. Coming up next, if I have to hear people complain about what we're paying some of these quarterbacks, I'm firing back, even guys I don't love next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Great to have you in. Loaded show, Nick Wright, and 10

minutes. Always fun. First things first. So I'm reading this story this morning. Many of Tom Brady's highest paid peers had atrocious weeks reminding us once again Tom Brady's amazing value. Nobody would dispute that. Tom's only been the highest paid quarterback in the league briefly for one year in 2010. It's not that he has a supermodal wife. You know, you can use all the excuses. Tom Brady's a team guy. He's taken a little bit less knowing it helps my team get more players. Nobody disputes. He is, I mean, no reasonable person. He's the greatest quarterback. of all time. Stop with the Aaron Rogers stuff. Yeah, he's got a great arm. So did L. L.A. Montana, one more. Football's about W's not about stats and arm talent.

But let me defend all the quarterbacks that get bashed for these huge contracts. Yes, when Tom Brady is making less than all these guys, it makes them look sometimes after bad weeks like schmucks. Let me give an example of guys that are people think are overpaid. Let me give you the five guys that I hear constantly from fans that are overpaid. Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Derek Carjo, Flacco. Let me just defend each one of them. Let's start with Kirk Cousins. We know in the NFL windows close really quick.

Seattle's going to be a dynasty. Oh, wait, they may finish third or fourth. Minnesota's defense is really talented. In a couple of years, it's going to be really expensive, and they can't keep all the players. You're in a division with Aaron Rogers twice a year. Windows closed, man. he's way better than Case Keenham. Okay, he makes $28 million a year.

Case Keenham, Kirk Cousins, not a GM in the league that would take Case Keenum. Windows closed fast. You're in a division with Aaron Rogers. You got to strike when the iron is hot. I don't even consider him overpaid. You got to pay money for an umbrella in Seattle

and a pool in Phoenix. You got a defense like this in Minnesota and Aaron Rogers probably still in his prime for two to three more years, you pay whatever it takes to get a stabilizing asset. Let's go to Derek Carr, 25 million a year. He's a bum, right? Regressing, right? You do realize this is right now,

not Cleveland, this is the West Coast version of the Browns. They're playing in a baseball stadium. Nobody else in the league does that. And it's the worst baseball stadium, not just the worst football stadium. He's an adult. He's a great passing talent. He's a worker. You're in a division with the smartest game.

caller in the league Andy Reid with a borderline Hall of Famer Philip Rivers with Denver, which has maybe the best pass Russian football now with Bradley Chubbin von Miller. What are you going to do? What do you want to do? What do you want to do? Matt Flynn? What do you want? Derek Carr, take his rookie year out when he was over his head. He's above 500. They just gave him a football coach that's been out of the sport for a decade. They just let a Hall of Famer first ballot, Khalil Mack go for picks. You don't think Derek Cars were $25 million or not paying attention to the league. How about Joe Flacco?

God, does he get smoked? He's making $22 million. That's a discount these days. By the way, won two times in the playoffs in Foxborough. You know how many Peyton Manning won in Foxborough during his playoff career? How about a bagel? He's 10 and 5 in the playoffs, a Super Bowl, an MVP.

In the last decade, one losing season. We don't even know if John Harbaugh is a great coach. We think he's okay. He's had one losing season. By the way, he's only been hurt once. This guy's like Eli Manning with a better arm. He is available constantly in a division with a Pittsburgh Steelers. You're freaking out over this?

This guy goes on the road. He wins two times as many times as he wins in the playoffs. He's a 10 and 5 playoff quarterback with a ring and a trophy and an MVP. You're not going to pay $22 million for him? For the record, most of his career, they've had no good receivers. This year, they went out and got like five and drafted two. tight ends. Generally, Flacco is elevated a rotten receiving core. How about Matt Stafford? Yeah, it's $27 million. That's a lot of money. He's the best quarterback by a mile in franchise

history. Matt Stafford has the most passing yards in NFL history for a quarterback under 30. The owner's dysfunctional. The front office has been dysfunctional. Now they've got a dysfunctional coach. The last six years, he's had one bad season, and it was just seven and nine. Again, Minnesota had better players in that run, and Green Bay had Aaron Rogers. He has a a winning record against the Bears, and he's 500 against Minnesota, which is a well-run, well-coached, unbelievably organized organization. Seven straight years? Over 4,000 yards.

You're not going to pay $27 million for Matt Stafford? Matt Ryan. Everybody thinks I hate Matt Ryan. Are you kidding me? Matt Ryan makes $30 million a year. He's 95 and 64 in a division with Drew Breeze and Cam. Six 10 winning seasons. six playoff appearances.

The entire franchise had a total of eight before he got there. He came into an organization that was bizarre. The head coach quit and Michael Vick was beloved but got messed up and went sideways, got off into the weeds. It was controversy. Nobody wanted to like Matt Ryan. He's got 95 and 64. You keep telling me Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, and Joe Flackle.

Yes, nobody's brain. Brady. We get that. And then nobody's Brady. When you're called the goat, there's generally not a guy that's like you. Well, yeah, that's kind of the point. Like, you're not going to get another Brady. There's only one of him. So don't. So just, so because you can't get Brady, you can't pay anybody else? Yes. I mean, these are the guys that get crushed all the time. I remember when Russell, I had a friend in the Northwest. They're like, dude, would you pay Russell Wilson that? I'm like, pizza defensive coordinator. They got all their money tied up in defense. He's never had an elite receiving corps.

You know, they had a great center. They got rid of him, never recovered. There's only so many franchise quarterbacks out there. Yeah. And when you get them. If you need to figure out how that works, just go take a look at the Browns. How long they've been, they would love to pay somebody $30 million a year. If they could find someone to play quarterback there.

Don't use this exception as the rule. Tom's a historic outlier. LeBron's a historic outlier. Right. So it's like if you can't get LeBron James, then you shouldn't pay anybody else the max. Come on. Take a deep breath, people. These guys are all worth their money in the league we have now,

which leans heavy offense, Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. The bills may want to find a quarterback that they would like to pay $30 million. So after the worst opening day loss in franchise history, the bills are turning to rookie Josh Allen in a 47 to 3 low out loss to the Ravens. The bill's offense didn't gain a first down the entire first half. under Nate Peterman. And here is Sean McDermen on the decision.

That's accurate. Josh will start. It's the right move for our team, which I keep coming back to. And you guys need to understand. Everything I do, everything we do is to do the right thing for our football team. It's not for one individual. It's for the team. And that's every, that drives every decision we make. So it's not a bad staff at all. They just have a really bad convergence of a rebuilding O line and a crappy quarterback. This is actually, they made the playoffs last year. This is a really good coaching staff, and there's some defensive players. But right now, they're going to be awful for one year, maybe two, because that offensive line's a mess and they're not good at quarterback.

You kind of want to start with the quarterback. Yeah, and I said this before the draft. I said Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are not prospects. They are projects. They should not get near a field the first year. They are not ready to play in the NFL. I just keep Tyrod Taylor, figure out a way to keep Tyrod Taylor and build the rest of your team. Fix your offensive line.

There were GMs in this league that thought Josh Allen was better than Sam Darnold. I'm not joking. When you look at the rookie quarterback draft class, if you remember back to the draft, nobody knew who was going. Nobody know who the first quarterback was going to be off the board. No one. It was every week. It was different. It was Josh Allen.

And then it was Sam Darnold. And then Lamar Jackson got some buzz. And then it was Baker. Like, you know, maybe Josh Rosen will jump up. The fact that nobody knew is what made me nervous about all of them. Yep. So everyone was going to take a risk on them, obviously, and it looks like the Jets made the right decision.

There was one media member that did predict Darnel would be very good. Who would that be? Oh, wait, it's me. Anyway, I don't want to get into that stuff. I thought you were nervous. You didn't want to pick sides. You didn't remain unbiased. All right, so Tom Brady and Payne Manning,

the greater quarterback debate, that reigned for most of Tom Brady's career. and now it is between Brady and Aaron Rogers. During his weekly radio appearance, Brady was asked to weigh in on the debate. Is Aaron Rogers the best quarterback in professional football right now? You know, everyone would love to hear that answer for me. You know, people have asked me what I think. And I think everyone's fit for a different system.

And he's right for that system. Joe Montana is right for his system. And there's a lot of different ways to get the job done. And there's not one way playing quarterback. I've seen it with all different types of players over the course of my career. It's ultimately about moving the ball down the field and scoring points. So I'll leave that debate for all the bars and all the sports talk shows. But I'm not giving any rankings, you know, one through five.

I am Tom's one, Arams 2. Tom's better. He's more coachable. You get less drama. Teammates like him better. You don't get as much. By the way, he doesn't get hit as much, not hurt as much because he audibles out of it. He's the best pre-snap quarterback.

outside of Peyton Manning, there's two quarterbacks in my life. Peyton and Brady that pre-snap are at a completely different level than everybody else. Houston's got a great defensive front that didn't touch Tom for three quarters. Why? He audibles out of it. Aaron doesn't. And Aaron gets whacked more. And he just, he has incredible pocket presence.

Like, everyone talks about how unathletic he is, which is just, I just think that that's silly. Like, so because you are a great swimmer, but you're not a good football player, Does that make you unathletic? There are different attributes to athletes. Tom Brady is an incredible athlete. He is the best quarterback who has ever played this game. He is an athlete. People project he could have been an major league baseball player.

He was a better baseball player than basketball player and football player in high school. He was a great high school baseball baseball. He got, I think didn't he get drafted or something? He may have been drafted. He's a very good high school baseball player. Tom is not going to say he's a better quarterback than Aaron Rogers because he's too savvy for that. But we'll say it. We'll say it for him.

which does not diminish anything about Aaron Rogers. That's what we get into with these debates. Like if you don't say that Aaron Rogers is the best, then he's a scrub. Like, no, he's just not as good as Tom Brady. So, Beyonce and Jay-Z's on the run tour, two, rolled in through Jerry World last night. And have you seen Beyonce in concert?

No, but a lot of my kids are into it, so yeah, no. She's an incredible performer. And as you would expect, a lot of the Cowboys players were there, and there was one former Cowboys. of notes who is sitting next to Jerry Jones of all people. Look at that. I bet you can guess who it is. Des Bryant. Yes. Des Bryant and Jerry Jones

enjoying Bay and Jay at Jerry World. Look at that. So can't get a job, though. Philadelphia in his division and Washington's down to three-ride receivers. Philadelphia would rather throw to Nick Foles than Des Bryant.

They're literally looking for quarterbacks and they can't find him. Washington's down to three. They could bring a cowboy in that knows all their plays and they won't. I just, I don't, I don't, I don't even know. But I, but, I mean, if you, if you can go and see Jayzee and Beyonce at Jerry's World with Jerry Jones, I guess you don't really turn down that, that invitation. You don't.

Ever. You got to do that, I guess. Especially luxury box. Yeah. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Well, Matt Patricia, I'm not a backwards hat guy. I think it looks ridiculous, especially when you're Matt Patricia and haven't proven anything, and nobody's talking to him on the sidelines.

With that, I go to New York. Cowered Global Satellite Network. Nick Wright, first things first. Okay, Matt, Patricia, just visually, it was, you know, you know me in the backwards hat thing. It's my thing, okay? Fresh meat for you, Colin. Oh, my gosh, it was just man up from heaven. It's like Kobe chiming in on a LeBron versus KD discussion to me.

You saw an NFL head coach with a sloppy sweatshirt, a bad beard, and a backwards hat, and you said, well, two hours on Tuesday, taken care of. But go ahead. I'm sorry. But, I mean, what's your takeaway? I mean, to me, it looks like he's a one and dunner. Like, it's not working. I got six reports.

The players don't like him. Okay, so I, if we're going to talk about the appearance just momentarily, I think you're almost right on the backwards hat. I think it's what's tucked into the hat. We've talked about this before. Mike Lombardi pointed it out years ago, and ever since then, I haven't gotten over it. I don't trust a man that.

carries a pencil while carrying a laminated sheet of paper. What's the pencil for, bro? Can't write on anything with that. Someone get this man a felt tip marker. Why does he carry the pencil? Because Belichick carries a pencil. Now, Belichick has one of those little reporter-style notebooks he jots down notes in, but I actually think that's telling. It can be very dangerous to try to be someone who you have not earned the right to try to be. And that is what it seems like is happening to Patricia. It's what I think has happened with Bill O'Brien. It's what we can go down the list. A lot of these Belichick disciples

that think they carry with them the respect that multiple championships generates and they simply do not. And we do a weird thing in the national media where we criticize coaches and coordinators all the time, but when a team loses a

coordinator because he got a head coaching job, we always act as if that's a loss for that. team. What if the Patriots got better at defensive coordinator by losing Matt Patricia? Well, I mean, what does it tell you that Matt Patricia wanted to leave? And he, they said, okay, we'll see you later, bro. Josh McDaniels wanted to leave. Bill Belichick said, I will open up my treasure trove of secrets to you. Please stay $4 million a year coach in waiting. I think it tells you that they thought they had one great coach and one coach who has been living under the Belichick glow. So,

for all those reasons, and of course, the King Griffey Jr. style hat, which you've never liked. I think your skepticism's well-founded with Matt Patricia. We all get triggered by stuff. All right. I've been wanting to add. Big time triggered, Howard. I want to ask you about this, and I've been thinking about it since Monday Night Football.

You live in New York City. It's a split city jets. Queens loves the jets. Some of Manhattan likes the Giants. The burrows are all split on this stuff. What did you make of Sam Darnel? What's your takeaway on that? that, especially when you juxtaposed to Eli Manning who looked bad.

All right. Well, so I want to give Darnold his do, and I thought of you, because you've been on this since he was the backup at USC since I was living in L.A., so I know you were happy with what you saw. And you say it's a split city, but it's a split city the way Los Angeles is a split city between the Lakers and the Clippers. Like, yeah, there's two teams, but the Lakers matter in L.A. and the Giants matter in New York far more than the Jets.

And so I felt badly, but I'm watching the Jets and their franchise quarterback, and I'm thinking of the Giants because the Jets traded up to three on spec. They didn't do it during the draft. They did it well before the draft. They give up three second round picks to go from six to three, hoping their guy would be there. And the Giants could have ruined it for him. The Giants decided, of course, to take Seekwan Barclay at two instead,

And even if Sequin is amazing, that's a decision they're going to regret for a decade plus. Here's the situation the Giants find themselves in. And no one wants to be in this situation. Look at the 16 quarterbacks in the NFC. The Giants currently have a bottom five quarterback situation for 2018, while simultaneously having a bottom three, again in their conference, quarterback situation for the future. If you're bottom third of your conference right now and your bottom fifth of your conference

moving forward, the hell are you doing? Unless the Giants can compete for a championship in the next couple of years, they're going to look back to the 2018 draft with enormous regret. They're sitting there at two in a quarterback rich draft, and they have too much talent to be drafting in the top five anytime soon again. and they're going to say that was our chance to have a poor man's version of the far to Rogers Manning to Luck handoff of the worst Manning brother to Sam Darnold. And they missed it.

They whiffed on it. And no matter how good Sequin is, I don't think that's enough to make up for it. Dak Prescott, $700,000 a year contract. He's massively outperforming it. But Jerry's rich and that's not his issue. His issue is, has he hit his ceiling. What do you make a Dax opening week performance? Where are they at with Dack?

Listen, I think Dax opening week performance, when you couple it with the final half of last season, it's enormously concerning. We're now at seven of his last nine games. He hasn't thrown for 200 yards. Now, while that's acceptable if you're the quarterback at LSU, that is not acceptable if you're the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. And if we are coming to the realization that Dak Prescott needs three all-pro offensive linemen, all-healthy, fully functional, and an all-pro running back, and a veteran tied in to calm things down, if he needs all those things to function at a high-level, then he's not a high-level quarterback. And you mentioned that he made $700,000.

I know Dak doesn't have the benefit that all the other young quarterbacks do, which is their teams have gone out and given them toys, and toys and toys, whether it's what they've done in Philadelphia with Wintz, whether it's adding Brandon Cooks in Los Angeles, whether it's the weapons to Sean Watson or Pat Malhomes or Mitch Trubisky have. I know Dak

doesn't have that benefit, but he has looked for over half a season now. If we're going back to last year, like a player who was a mid-round draft pick. Like a player who was supposed to be a project, definitely good enough to be a backup, maybe a starter in a pinch.

And this offseason, the one the one coming up is when he would get a contract extension. The way he's played since the 2016 season ended, there's no way in hell I'm giving this guy $20 plus million a year unless I see something drastically different. By the way, I've only got about a minute left. Des Bryant, Patriots not interested. They went out and got somebody.

Redskins down three receivers. They'll pass. Is he going to sign with anybody? I thought maybe teams were just waiting for the end of week one. so his contract wouldn't be fully guaranteed as a veteran, but no one has called him, and now I think it's a real concern. I also think the burner account thing is a concern,

and here's why, and I'll be quick on this. He's making a burner account. Why is he making a burner account supposedly? So he can make fake accounts that make it look like the Twitter world supports him to other people in the Twitter world. Des, some free advice, my man. There's only 32 people you need to worry about impressing. None of them are on Twitter.

They're the 32 GMs. And those people, they don't care about burner accounts, but they do care about what the verified at Des Brian is tweeting. And none of those things have made me more likely to give him a job if I'm in their seats. He's not a great football player anymore. He once was he's not anymore, but he's a good enough football player to be a starting wide receiver in this league. And the only reason he's not is questions about.

his makeup, Twitter isn't helping him. Add him to the list, Colin. Kevin Durant, the President of the United States, Des Bryant, people who'd be better if they just deleted the Twitter app from their phone. That's pretty interesting list. My buddy, Nick Wright, good talking to you,

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Love it. in. So one of the things I try to add is perspective, context. And I used to always call it overreaction Monday in the NFL. Like everybody just overreacts everything. Now, there are times when you watch Sam Darnel and you're like, he's pretty good. Yeah, but as I offered earlier today, bring it down. The Jets have some interesting surrounding parts, coaches, mentors, defense. The Jets are built for Sam Darnal to succeed. Baker-Mayfield, I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. Not just because I like Donald more than Baker. I think Baker has more to overcome in Cleveland than Sam does in New York. But I'm reading the stories this morning,

and it's Jimmy G. He played in New England, so he's high profile. He got a lot of money. He's high profile. The 49ers are a historic franchise. He's high profile. He went on a date with an adult film star. He's high profile. And he looks like a model. He's high profile. A lot of eyes on Jimmy Garoppolo. Colin, he's struggled. Three and her exceptions against Minnesota. And I'm reading these stories. Colin, he has had eight interceptions in just seven games with the 49ers. Oh.

Let's add some context. Let's look at seven of those games. Jags defense, Vikings defense, Rams defense, Bears defense, Seahawks defense, Tennessee, fifth and sacks, fourth against the rush defense. He also played the Texans. Everybody was hurt so they weren't good. He carved him up, beat him, and threw her 334 yards. Folks, he has a rebuilding offensive line.

They've got no running game. He's playing the Jags, the Vikings, the Rams, Tennessee. These are real fronts, Bears, Seattle, Pete Carroll, with a rebuilding offensive line and no running game. Here's what I know. Here's a number that's really important. He doesn't lose much. He's five and one.

His one loss is to the number one ranked defense in the NFL last year, Minnesota at Minnesota. And they lost by a touchdown. With a rebuilding O line against that Viking defensive front and no running game, Jimmy Garoppolo is worth every penny. He's good. But he went in a date with an adult film star, and he was in New England under Tom Brady, and he looks like he should be on the cover of GQ. And he got a lot of money.

The Niners are a franchise that matters. the way, here's the Niners' next four games. Lions. What do you bet he scores a few points against that defense? Arizona. Got a couple games in there. They may just score some points. I'll tell you this.

I'll tell you a quarterback that gets no heat. But he plays in a city that's probably more of a college football town than an NFL town. He's not glamorous. In fact, he's almost nonverbal. And the franchise has always been mired in not anonymity. but anybody ever at a bar next to you outside of Nashville talk about the Titans? How about Marcus Marioita?

That ain't working. He's hurt again. He's 20 and 23. Last year, which is almost impossible in the NFL, more interceptions than touchdowns. By the way, he's had good running backs and above average offensive lines. He's got a good defense.

I mean, that division last year, year. Andrew Luck got hurt. DeShone Watson out. Marcus Marietta. He's not very good. But again, when you play in Nashville, which is a great city, but almost more of a college football city than an NFL city. It's a music city. I say Nashville to you. You know what you think of? Country music stars. That's what you think of. You don't think of football. And if you do think of football, you think of college football. I do. It's the heart of the South for college football. So, you know, Marioata is one of He doesn't talk. He doesn't do press.

I mean, he really doesn't. He's nonverbal. And he's fine-looking kid, but he's not in the cover of GQ. Garopolo's getting heat. He's on a total rebuilding effort. They have no offensive line. And he's playing great defense as most of his career. But nobody will just come out and say, Marcus Marietta.

Is it possible? This ain't working? He spent a lot of money on Marcus Marietta. I'm watching him. I think he's actually regressed. And oh, he's hurt again. I mean, the two of them, Marcus Marriota and James Winston, were kind of linked coming into the league, and neither one of them have really been successful.

I mean, James, obviously, for different reasons. James has an immaturity issue. Marcus has a, I throw too many picks and get hurt issue, and they're both bad. Like, those are the three things you don't want to be. Hurt a lot, immature a lot, and throw a lot of picks. Those are bad. So Garoppolo is going to be fine. Just add a little context to it.

And again, I do get. big contract under Brady 49ers 49ers are one of these they're like seven or eight franchise in the NFL you know the Eagles have that the Packers have that the Steelers have that the Cowboys have that the Niners are a big

glamorous franchise Bill Walsh Joe Montana Steve Young I get it but Garoppolo's fine they went and drafted a right tackle they're going to go and continue to get him weapons he lost a running back they'll go heavy on the offensive line heavy on running back next year they'll solve it

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In 15 minutes, I will divulge a tiny piece of information that I was able to take from dinner. I have a briefcase full of information. Most of it I cannot give you. Were you cleared to reveal this? I think he would be okay with me revealing one nugget from dinner. I have a, I took notes. I've got a briefcase of information. I will unveil one nugget in 15 minutes.

It's an important nugget. I took notes. I have a briefcase of information. So in 15 minutes, I had dinner with a person of great influence in America. Some stories I just can't tell you, and they're outstanding. I'll try to sneak him into the show when the NBA season starts. Let me start with this. The way it works in sports is you come into a league.

I mean, college coaching and NFL coaching, NFL is way better. I mean, even Nick Saban dominates college football couldn't work in the NFL. Steve Spurrier dominates college. college football, can't work in the NFL. College football coaches, a lot of gym teachers. NFL, great coaching. SEC dominates college football. How many great SEC coaches have gone to the NFL and succeeded?

Like, I can't think of any. So what happens in the NFL as a player, you come into the NFL and everybody gets film on you, and they break you down. In Major League Baseball, you're a rookie baseball player. You come in and they just feed you fastball, fastball, fastball, fastball, whack, whack, whack, whack. All of a sudden, they notice at the All-Star break, he can't hit it off speed stuff. curve, curve, curve, curve, steady diet.

That's what happens in pro sports. A lot of people are great early. A lot of people are great initially. People couldn't stop Kobe Bryant for 17 years. They still can't stop Kevin Durant, Steph Curry. They can never stop Steve Nash at the end until he got old. Okay, so this is what happens in football. Is that in football, you come into the league as a quarterback.

Some come into worse situations than others, but Dak got drafted in the fourth round. So, you know, he came to a team that had players. had a steady owner, a steady coach, they had a good staff, they had this young star running back, they had a good offensive line, they had some good linebackers. I mean, it wasn't like the Cowboys were a mess. He inherited a pretty good offense, right? Jason Witten, Des Bryant, that offensive line, Jason Garrett.

So he comes into the league and he has some success. And he's played 22 games since the end of that great streak, that 11-0 streak, right? In that streak, who may he was, it says here. he completed 70% of his passes seven times in that 11-0 run. Now he's done it less than half of that in their recent games, and he's not the same player. He's had under 200 yards passing in seven of his last nine games, three straight regular season games, no TDs, first three quarters, scored fewer than 10 points and five his last nine games. So the question is, you come into the league and Dax's really good.

does he have a second gear? Alex Smith never did. Case Keenham doesn't really have it. A lot of guys. You see this in the NBA. In the NBA, the coach and the system can get you points at Kentucky. But then you get to the NBA, they watch film on you, your rookie year, and by the second half of your rookie year, they figure out that 95% of guys that go to Kentucky can't create their own shot.

They're just dudes. NBA's filled full of guys that can't create their own shots. So now, Andrew Luck was very good in his first two years. They had all this film. Then he came back and threw 40 touchdowns and 16 picks and went to the AFC championship. He had a second gear. Carson Wentz comes in.

First year. Oh, my God. First four, oh, my God. And they got all this film on Carson Wentz. And they threw it at him and wham. He jams through the ceiling. He had a second gear. I don't know if Jared Goff has a second gear.

Last year really counts as his rookie season. But he had a great left tackle. amazing running back. Sean McBay, good receivers, winnable division. So I know Jared Goff's first gear when he's surrounded by a bunch of stuff, good. I'm kind of waiting for him to go through to the next gear. Deshawn Watson. I got like seven, eight games. I don't know if Deshawn Watson has a second gear.

Now, you could say, well, Dak was drafted in the fourth round. Brady was drafted in the sixth, Montana and the third. Russell. quarterbacks historically go in the first round. But there's a lot of guys that have gone on the second, third, fourth, fifth, whatever. But this is the classic example is that's why you've got to be, I project on a lot of guys. With DAC, they got to film on him now.

NBA guys get film with the All-Star break. Major League Baseball Scouts get filmed by the All-Star break. A lot of guys tear it up until the league has film on you. And the question, because does Dak have that second gear? And the things I like about DAC are not his arm and not his talent. What I like about him is he's thick, he's going to last, he's mobile, he's not going to get hurt, he's a good leader,

there's chaos in the organization. He is not an elite thrower of the football. Well, this is what I can remember everyone saying about Zach who had doubts about him after the first year. Like just temper your expectations because he had Zeke, who had an incredible rookie year, and he had his offensive line in town. So everyone was saying this pretty much coming after

Dax's first year. And then last year, there was almost dysfunction with the team that really this is the year the DAC has to show if he is the elite quarterback that everyone thought he was in his rookie year. I want to shift gears to Des Bryant. There's an old saying in sports that nobody's going to love you like your first team. The Mariners drafted Ken Griffey. He ended up with the Reds, but nobody loved him. and like the Mariners.

You marry your high school sweetheart. If it doesn't work out, you get remarried. Nobody's going to love you like your high school sweetheart. It may not work, but she loves you. She's known you. She knows all your issues. So when you're a pro athlete, I say this often, come John Wall, come into the league ready to go.

Come into the league. Because now you're two surgeries in. all you athletes out here come into the league ready to go i tell my kids this you have no idea the best job in the world may be offered you at 23 it's a tech company they have stock options and you're immature hat on backwards bad interviewer i told my daughter join a sorority just for the interviews just for the contacts because when you're out at 21 years old you could go up to silicon valley for an interview and the best job offer you get it's not linear in life. Could be at 22. Be ready for it. Don't be a schmuck. Don't be a screw off.

There's a million guys I know at 22. Follow one on Twitter. Screw-offs. When you're a pro athlete, be ready to show your appreciation, work your arse off, and deliver. Because you only got about seven peak years and that first team loves you. And Des Bryant blew it. Des Bryant blew it. Right now, the Eagles need receivers. They could get a cowboy. He knows all their plays. They're not interested.

Washington's down to three receivers. They're not interested. The Eagles would rather throw to Nick Foles than Des Bryant. New England's desperate. They went out yesterday and acquired Cory Coleman. That's not going to work. He's not a guy. He struggled to stay in Buffalo, couldn't learn the playbook fast enough,

and Tom Brady is demanding when it comes to the playbook. Learn it now, faster, you're gone. Des Bryant screwed it up. He's a finger pointer. That guy's fault. That guy's fault. That guy's fault. Turn that baby in, babe.

You just didn't take the league seriously. You didn't learn your route tree. You didn't appreciate how much time the Cowboys. Cowboys had security detail on you first two years in the league. This team loved you. Nobody loves you like your high school sweetheart. Nobody loves you like your first team. Nobody loved Ken Griffey like the Mariners did.

Nobody's ever going to love Aaron Ron. Rogers more than Green Bay. They put up with this crap. By the time you get traded in the NFL, the NBA, you're just stats and a cap hit. That is what you are. Not to be mean, but by your second team on in the NFL, you're a piece of paper. What is he costing us and what is he produce? The love's gone. You're a stat and a cap hit. So when you come into this league, be ready to perform, be a grown-up, appreciate who drafts you, because they put a lot of love into you and a lot of time into you. And they drafted you and they don't want to look wrong,

so they're going to give you more patient. Nobody's more patient than the first team that drafts you. You'll never find. But the second guy that takes you in the trade, I mean, by the way, Martavis Bryant goes to the Steelers, they put up with a lot of crap. He goes to the Raiders, they cut him. Now they're bringing him back for one year deal. nobody's more patient than your first team.

And I look at Des Bryant and I'm like, dude, you screwed it up. You had a team that was in love with you. They hired security to follow you around town. They took care of you. They hid things. They baby you. They enabled you. And you blew it.

And now you're not as good. Amazon Prime Series. We saw you blow up at coaches. And there are teams all over the NFL that are in the division of the Cowboys that are desperate for a wide receiver. Last night, Des is doing some burner account. thing and people are like no thanks Cowboys overlooked that stuff for years

Everybody think you know I'm just going to go to college I'm going to come out of college I'm going to go to Amsterdam I'm going to smoke some weed I want to go hang out just live my life and they're like at 30 I'm living my parents Oh at 23 Amazon just offered you stock options You got your hat on backwards champ

Be ready, Des Wasn't that's life Coming up next, I have a briefcase of classified information. I will let one small bit of information out. That's coming up next. This is a briefcase. It is a top secret briefcase for the kind of information governments seek. Companies pay for. Wall Street would identify and pursue aggressively.

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At a very classified restaurant. I took notes in my mystery briefcase this morning. Now, when I have sources and I talk to people, I do not divulge information on the air. I never burn my sources. I'm on the phone all day. You know that, seriously. But I don't burn sources, but I do take information. And when I have strong opinions on stuff, it's generally because, you know, it's sourced.

This is full of information accumulated last night LeBron information. I do believe on rare occasions when I accumulate information on people like LeBron, I am able to give you a snippet of something to give you a sense of what the dinner was like. Again, it was a smoky room with power brokers everywhere. So I will today give you, this is just filled full of mystery. I will give you, I will give you one of the envelopes, one of the envelopes. There's many private envelopes in here. Joy, have I told you? A lot of secret information.

I feel like if there's that much secret information in there, you should have one of those Oceans 11, like, handcuffs to the briefcase, you know? Like if someone's going to take the briefcase, they've got to take you also. Ooh, a gold envelope. That is, well, you always keep your best information in envelopes that are gold. Is there a wax seal on it? So here is the bit of information I can share with you. So as I sat with this powerful person of influence,

closely associated to the world's best basketball player, we talked about a lot of stuff. Most I'm not giving you. But there was one moment that I think I can share. I said, hey, what's the story with the Lance Stevenson? Was LeBron okay with? And he said, yeah, LeBron's okay with it. It wasn't his call.

Magic runs the team. Rob Polenka run the team. But he offered an interesting insight. he said, go look at recent basketball history, said this power broker I had dinner with. He said, all the great teams have a Lance Stevenson. The current warriors have Draymond Green, the bouncer at the ice club. The big three Celtics had Kendrick Perkins, not overly skilled, kind of a headache, the bouncer at the nightclub.

Kobe and the Powell Lakers had Meta World Peace. You didn't mess with Meta World Peace. The 90s Bulls had Dennis Rodman, sometimes didn't see. sleep before NBA finals games. LeBron's calves had J.R. Smith. By the way, Dwayne Wade, Boch, and LeBron had Birdman, who was seemingly on a constant 10-day contract, is that over the course of a season, you need a guy. You need a garbageman.

You need a tough guy. You need a guy you can say, Lance, go after Kevin Durant, go after Kevin Durant. go after Kevin Durant, go after whatever guy, and be a pain in his butt. Lance Stevenson is Draymond Green, Kendrick Perkins, Meta World Peace, Dennis Rodman, Birdman, J.R. Smith. Is that great teams always have this dude. Hockey teams always had a tough guy to protect Wayne Gretzky. Even a lot of our Super Bowl teams, Charles Haley, you got a guy who can clean up messes. You got a guy.

Rich people in the world. They got a guy. He's on sort of a private payroll. He's a guy. He's a guy. He takes care of stuff. That's why everyone's like, how did that happen? Listen, if you don't want my private information.

Okay. I'm going to put my private information. Back in your private suitcase. All I'm saying is this person who I had dinner with brought up a very very very very interesting point, which is people are overreacting to Lance Stevenson. We've got a history here. There's always that sideway guys on Dynasty, and they're there for a reason. You need a garbage man. You need a bouncer at the nightclub. You need a tough guy. Not overly skilled. Comes with some stuff, but they're valuable. The briefcase on this show

will be used very infrequently. That's all we get today. That's very private information. Governments track suitcases with question marks on them. Joy Tater with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so you were very skeptical of John Gruden from the beginning.

Yeah. But there were some expectations of him surrounding his Monday night return. And the Raiders lost 3313 to the Rams. In an interesting game, really up until the fourth quarter. Yeah. Their odds for the Super Bowl took a pretty big hit after that game.

According to Westgate, Las Vegas Superbook, they went from 30 to 1 opening odds to 80 to 1 opening odds. They didn't play that bad. They don't have the sixth worst odds to the Super Bowl. I think what you're, okay, so you got the Kaleel Mack situation. You got the second half against,

they looked a mess in the second half against the Rams, who didn't play any of their good players in the preseason. So the first half of that game was the preseason for the Rams. I don't know. And by the way, Denver looked pretty good in Kansas. I think what this is, Joy, Kansas City look great, and Denver's better than we think. And we know the Chargers have talent. So what I think people are telling you is their division coupled with the loss,

they're not getting out of that division. Maybe that's more along the lines. Because when I'm looking at the teams that are ahead of them, like the Bucks, I mean, you want to talk about Overreaction Monday, the Bucks, the Bears, the Titans. They went up? No, they didn't go up, but Well, yeah, the Titans went up. Titans went up.

The other ones say the same, but they have much better odds. There's only about, there's only about, I mean, and I'm being generous. There's about 12 teams that can win it in this league, and I think it's probably closer to seven. I think that's very generous. Minnesota, Philly, catastrophic things happen.

New England, there's not that many teams that can win it. There's a lot of teams. No, 20 of them can make the playoffs. But there's about nine teams in this league, and I think the Raiders are one of them. They're just not, that's not a Super Bowl. championship level roster team and right now coach. All right.

So the Cowboys offense is under fire after their 16 to 8 loss the season opener against the Panthers. And now they have only scored one touchdown in their last 10 quarters. So all eyes are on offensive coordinator, Scott Linehan and his play calling. And Jason Garrett says he still believes in Linehan. I have a tremendous amount of faith in Scott.

And we just have to do a better job collectively as a staff and as an offensive unit to help us move the football and score some points. You know, that starts with basic execution, play after play, not beating ourselves, and then finding ways to generate some big plays. I mean. Nobody talks and says nothing in the NFL like Jason Garrett. Jason, yeah, Jason's pretty good at that.

I think that's why Jerry Jones likes him. Because honestly, he has no media profile whatsoever, and Jerry is the star. I mean, literally, I think Cowboys right now, there's never been a bigger. When Jimmy was there and when Parcells was there, you said Dallas Cowboys, and that's what I thought of. Troy Aikman and Jimmy. Bill Parcell's in Romo. Right now, I think of Jerry Jones, and I think it's 75.

I wonder if he likes it that way. Jason Garrett has... I would imagine that he definitely does, especially at this point in Jerry's life and career, if you will, as owner of the Dallas Cowboys. He doesn't want somebody in there who is Parcells or Jimmy Johnson-like. And, I mean, look, he fired Jimmy Johnson in the middle of a dynasty. So obviously, that's not what he's interested in.

But that said, to me, there's a lot of pressure on the Cowboys this year. They kind of feel like an under-the-radar team as compared to last year and the year before that where Cowboys was all we could talk about. Almost every team in the NFC has their quarterback. We thought the Cowboys did. But I mean, to me, this is the year when we find out if the Cowboys have their quarterback or not. And it's fascinating because they're not paying them anything and they don't have to pay them. They may end up just with Dak Prescott saying, we got three years out of him.

We won 32 games. And we just don't want to pay him a fortune. I mean, I'm not willing to pull the plug. I'm believing that DAC is the quarterback of the future for the Dallas Cowboys just yet. But I do think that this is the year he has to prove if he is or not. He has Zieg back. Everyone's going to have injuries. So you can't blame it on that.

You have to show that you're the quarterback that can make it happen, even though he really doesn't have anyone to throw to. And finally, we've been talking about this a lot lately. Brady versus Rogers, who's better. People are saying that Rogers is the better athlete. And, of course, coming off of that win against him. the Bears. Everyone's freaking out. He's the greatest of all time. He's John Snow. He's the undertaker. He's back from the dead and he can beat them on one leg. Well, Tom Brady was asked about it on his weekly radio appearance and said this. Is Aaron Rogers the best quarterback in professional football right now? You know, everyone would love to hear that answer for me. You know, people have asked me what I think. And I think everyone's fit for a different system. And he's right for that system. Joe Montana was right for his system. And there's a lot of different ways to get the job. done. And there's not one way playing quarterback. I've seen it with all different types of players

over the course of my career. It's ultimately about moving the ball down the field and scoring points. So I'll leave that debate for all the bars and all the sports talk shows. But I'm not, I'm not giving any rankings, you know, one through five. By the way, is coachability matter? Is discipline matter? Is leadership matter? Then Brady's better than Aaron Rogers. Sorry to disappoint everybody. One guy's been to eight Super Bowls one to one. It's not just a numbers guy. but there's a reason that Aaron's had multiple players call him out. Nobody calls up. Even Randy Moss left, he was like, I love Tom Brady.

Tom Brady's better in the room with other alpha males than Rogers is. You know, I don't know if you made this comparison before of Rogers and Kevin Durant, them kind of having similar personalities. You know, Skip compared Brady to MJ and LeBron to Aaron Rogers. And I think that Aaron Rogers is kind of more along the lines of Kevin Durant. also in the league now. Little rabbit ears, very aware of criticism. Also, just when you compare the two, like Kevin Durant is obviously, I mean, he's

incredible. If LeBron wasn't in the league right now, he would be the best player in the league. But I just, at the end of the day, how much winning you do and how much consistency, consistency you have at the top has to matter. Like, people are not mentioning this. Aaron Rogers has heard again. Tom isn't, because Tom audibles out of sacks. J.J. Watt.

Jadavian Clowny. They didn't touch him. Balls out, rolls away, slides, audibles out. Aaron gets hurt. He's hit a lot. Again, it doesn't take anything away from Aaron Rogers being an incredible one-of-a-kind, once-in-a-lifetime quarterback. It's just at the end of the day, the wording has to matter. Joy, Taddle of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Huge weekend of college football. LSU, Auburn, USC, Texas, big regional games everywhere. Do I feel good today? Joel Klatte, lead college football voice for this network's calling USC, Texas.

You know, I feel good? Why do you feel good? I feel great today. Good new set, by the way. Isn't it nice and classy? It's a classic. So here's my thing. Baker Mayfield leaves Oklahoma.

1100 yards in two games. Donald leaves USC. They can't get a first down. Are we going to do this again? No, I mean, you time out. You know you were walking into this, Joel. Sam Darnel leaves USC. They couldn't get the Red Zone.

They couldn't get the Red Zone. They didn't. They're actually 120th in the country in Red Zone touchdown efficiency. I mean, it's true. It's true. They settled for five field goals. They were inside the 40 yard line six times. I think it has more to do with inexperienced than lack of ability.

They bring their offensive line back. They got good receivers. Yeah, but you got to understand that scoring in the Red Zone and Red Zone offensive efficiency has more to do with timing and anticipations. than it does just like sheer offensive line play. I think they'll get better at that as the season goes on. I wouldn't be, listen, Texas is going to beat them this weekend. I don't know if that's the case.

I mean, Texas has really struggled. They only beat Tulsa by seven points. They lost in their opener at Maryland. This is a team that's still trying to find their way in Tom Herman's second year. I think both of these coaches are under a lot of pressure. Why can't you just right now just say, Colin, I apologize. guys, Donald's better than Baker Mayfield. Well, because we don't know that.

And so you try to pick me against you. I love both of these players. I really love both of these players. And just pump the brakes a little bit on Sam. I mean, we've seen this before, right? Of course we have. Gino Smith had this same reaction when he won the opener with the Jets.

Mark Sanchez had the same reaction when he won his opener with the Jets. The Star is born on the, what was it, New York Daily News? They had those covers out. So you cherry picked on Baker Mayfield, I'm going to cherry pick now on Sam Darnold. These covers were actual covers after Gino Smith and Mark Sanchez won their opener with the Jets. So I'm just saying your television didn't work on Monday?

That's not what I watch. It was great. You will not get me. See, you're going to try to bait me into saying that I like Baker more than Sam, so on or so. That's not what I'm going to do. Both of these players are great. Sam is a terrific player. A terrific player.

And I think that he is going to be a 10, 15 year franchise quarterback. for the Jets. So you're not going to get me to say anything bad. I think Baker is also very good. 15 years? Probably. 15 years in the NFL. Is that nonsense?

Shirtless underwear ads. All right, whatever. We see the world. Do you have a Tommy John ad after this coming up? Is that in your book? Hey, I'll say this. When I, you know, it's funny about, you know, we were talking, I was talking to a friend of mine about a week ago.

Ryan Rusillo used to look at them. And we were talking about, like, Texas and Michigan. Maybe it's our fault. if you go to Wikipedia and you go look at Texas Longhorn National titles, there's like a 50-year gap. Right. There's never a 50-year gap at Ohio State, Oklahoma, Alabama. They're not 50-year gaps.

Texas, Michigan, I remember when Rich Rod took the job at Michigan, and Mike Tarrico told me, he said, I don't think he's going to fit. He goes, the socialization, he goes, Ann Arbor's different. It is a little different. I think Michigan and Texas, we put him up there with Ohio State and Alabama, I don't see Texas and Michigan as football schools. I see him as great American. Well, relax a little bit on that.

When's the last time Michigan beat Ohio State once in 15 years? Yeah, listen, they are not in a good spot right now, and I wouldn't put them in the category of what Ohio State and what Alabama, and namely out of that conference, Oklahoma, you know, out of the Big 12 has been so much more successful than Texas. Texas, let's put it this way. Texas is around 500 in their last 100 football games. Thank you. But they're still number two in, on the United.

the Forbes most valuable list. I mean, so there's something to that, right? What is that? What does that mean? Their brand is strong enough. They've got a strong brand. It's an incredibly strong brand. So does a pro wrestler.

The brand, I want doubles. I don't care about brands. I understand that. But you can't say that they're not football schools, all right? Texas is just a few years removed from winning 10 games and nine straight seasons from 01 to 09. How about this? When I say Austin, Texas, you know what I think of?

Party City, Sixth Street, Music. I don't think of Longhorn football. I mean, that's your fault. I think of football. football. You're a football announcer. I understand that. I'm a bond vivant.

Hold on. I'm a global citizen. You cannot legitimately sit here and say Texas and Michigan aren't football schools. I'm telling you, when I wake up in the, when you stay Ohio State, I think football. When you stay Alabama, I think football. When you stay Michigan, I think, not a great school. No, you don't. Yes, I do.

No, that is a lie. I've had two agents that went to Michigan and an attorney. And this is a suitcase full of private government information. guys that go to Michigan carry suitcases like this. Medical school, law school. I mean, just because they're a good school. Governors. Well, does that mean that USC is not a football school?

Because they haven't had the success that they've had in the past recently? No, but I think of USC. I honestly, first thing I think of is football. You don't think of football the first time you hear in Michigan. They're the all-time winningest program in the history of our sport. I don't think, I just think great university. Oh, come on. Oh, Texas.

When I say Austin, Texas, I think of food. music. Well, yeah, when you bring up the city, maybe you can say something a little bit different than that. But come on. You say University of Texas, you don't think football? No, no, no. You said universal. Well, that's what I'm saying. Listen, Oklahoma, listen, nothing against Norman. But I mean, the town closes down at 10 in the morning. Okay. So, I mean, seriously, when I think of Oklahoma, I'm like, if you don't want to football, it's a miserable place to be. If I, if I was, I lived in Austin, Texas, and my team stunk. You kidding me?

I'd still take my girl and I'd go to 6th Street and I'd have a great dinner and Ann Arbor's more than football. Ohio State is. What are you trying to say? They're never going to get back. I think we overvalue Texas. Everybody's like Tom Herman stinks and Harbaugh stinks. Those schools aren't as committed to football. What?

That's what I think. Texas is not, Michigan's not committed to football with the contracts that they're giving out. Did you see what they did to the big? You know what, Michigan? This is craziness. I feel like I'm taking crazy bills. No, I'm Mugatu today. What is happening?

No, no. Michigan's one of those guys. You ever met a guy like this? He's like, I'm a hard worker. You ever, the late night Larry types. Like, I watch film until all hours of the night. You just sit in the locker room all night. And you ask him how much they work and they're like, hey, I put 47 hours in.

And you're like, yeah, Nick Staven put 70 in. Michigan thinks they're committed. Ohio State's committed. Texas thinks they're committed to football. Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, committed. Even USC, you know, I like USC, USC thinks they're committed. Now, Auburn lives for football. You know, I see two, two Collins card, Joel, although I'm normally on your side with a lot of this stuff. Texas A&M did just replace Texas as the most valuable

college program. They did. They did. And let me tell you how. So that is, is a rolling cycle where they count donations towards your revenue. And so Texas A&M passed them. I think they were 148, I believe it was the number, $148 million. in revenue. They made $107 million in profit. $107 million in profit, and they did a great job of building their facilities. They had, I believe it was $100 and or something around like $268 million in the last two years that were just given to the program through donations. Those donations are going to slide a little bit.

Texas will be right back there next year. That's all I'm saying is that donations have a lot to do with that. The greater your city is, the beach in L.A., Austin, Texas, Ann Arbor. By the way, Georgia, Athens is. a great college town. The greater your city is, the more options for coaches, they leave earlier.

I just disagree. I just disagree. I totally disagree. Okay, we'll agree on this. I actually think LSU Auburn play this weekend. I thought, I think, I got to be careful here. I'll say something stupid and it almost never happens.

Hold on. I watched Auburn play and they're young in spots. If Auburn can get their O' line figured out, I think they can beat Alabama. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. They're way young up front. I don't think that they will because that game is in Tuscaloosa.

All right. And the only way that they have beaten Alabama in the past in Tuscaloosa is with transcendent quarterback performances like Cam Newton. You don't like that? You don't like the Stedham kid? I think he's good. He's not transcendent. He's NFL.

Yeah, but he's not. I'm talking about transcendent. Well, who are you talking about? Johnny Mansell in Alabama. Cam Newton in Alabama. They've only lost four home games. Did not ever beat Alabama a couple years ago? Since 2008.

Yeah, but it was at home. And when they did beat him in Escaloosa. It was with Cam Newton. All I'm saying, it's going to be difficult. I agree with you. I think Auburn's the better team than LSU. If you actually look at the game that LSU played against Miami, it was more evenly played than the scoreboard would have indicated. In particular in the first half, when LSU took advantage of penalties and

turnovers to kind of stretch out that gap. Washington's not going to lose again the rest of the year. Auburn beat a team. Washington's very good. Washington's going to roll the table in the Pac-12. They'll roll right through it. Either of those two teams could have won that game. That was a great game that week one of the season. I'm with you on Auburn. I think that they're very good.

I don't know if they're Alabama good in particular with two-ed-cored. But they have a NFL quarterback, Stidham. Jared Stidham is very good. NFL scouts, listen to this show. Stuff comes out of this mouth, they listen. That guy's NFL quarterback. Oh, is that how it goes? Okay, what's your almost upset of the week?

I got a good one for you. Okay. You just said Washington is going to sleepwalk through the Pack 12. Yeah, well, they're in Salt Lake at Utah. Utah's getting six and a half. That one's going to be closer than six and a half, and I wouldn't be shocked if Utah wins. Jake Browning's not playing all that well.

He's one-to-one touchdown to interception ratio. They're chirping up in Seattle about his status as the starting quarterback. Kyle Wittingham's always got his defense ready to play. In fact, that's a top five defense in college football right now through the first two weeks. That's one of your better ones. Watch out Washington. Your first 10 minutes weren't great today. That was fantastic.

Well, you sent me off on this tangent talking this gibberish like Texas and Michigan or not football schools. What in the world? Unbelievable. Jolt, clatt. Buy seller hold next. The herd. Good to see you, bud. Borrow up to $40,000 to pay after credit cards.

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Colin will decide if he'll buy it. Sell. Roger to tell. Or hold. All right, John. Buy sell or hold. Jason Garrett will be the first head coach, fired. A lot of people have Jason Garrett on the hot seat. Jerry Jones has always been a fairly

patient coach. He gave Chan Gaylee three years, and that was after a couple of bad seasons. He gave Wade Phillips several years. Jerry likes to be the headliner. Jerry has more problems with Parcells and Jimmy Johnson. He wakes up in the morning and feels like it's not his franchise anymore. Jason Garrett's never stolen a headline. And he's also had only one losing season as the Cowboys Head Coach. They've never been man overboard except one year when Tony Romo got hurt and Dak wasn't there yet. John. Sell, sell, sell.

Jason Garrett will not be the first coach fired. Matt, let me just tell you this. That Matt Patricia thing in Detroit, that may not last through October. That thing is, like, visually awful in Detroit. Buy seller hold. Matt Ryan is the fifth best quarterback in the NFC South. Oh, that's because Ryan FitzmaG had an incredible game and people of Cam and Breeze. folks

Matt Ryan Don't forget Bridgewater Oh good Lord people He's a four-time Pro Boulder Matt Ryan's record As a starter

is 95 and 64 I think we're all forgetting what Matt Ryan inherited Michael Vic was beloved in that city The head coach had just quit

They were a mess In Atlanta He's already taking him to six Plath appearances They had eight As a franchise Before he arrived

John Sell, sell sell, sell. Matt Ryan's the second best quarterback in that division to Drew Brees, and there are Sundays, he's the best quarterback in that division. By Seller Hole, the Rams will host the NFC championship game. Well, first of all, this needs to be said. They're easily the best roster in the division. San Francisco is still rebuilding their offensive line in secondary.

Seattle's not advertising it, but they're in a rebuilding mode. And so is Arizona. If you take their defensive front with Aaron and Donald and Domenu, and you look at the offensive lines in that division, Arizona's rebuilding theirs, Seattle's rebuilding theirs. Well, not even rebuilding. It's just bad. And San Francisco's rebuilding theirs.

The Rams went 11 and 5. The schedule works in their favor. Some of their tough games at home. So John, buy, bye, bye, I think in that division, they're going to go 5 and 1 in that division or 6 and 0, and they are going to host. They're going to host a playoff game.

Listen, everybody, I like Atlanta, I like Philadelphia. I like Green Bay. They have tougher competition in their division. By seller hold, John Gruden will be the last first year coach to win a game this year. Tennessee's nothing to look at, and Detroit's a mess. Remember this. Derek Carr's a good quarterback, and their next games are at Denver, at Miami, and Cleveland. That's right, Cleveland.

If you see C-L-E on your schedule, you're not going to go that long without winning. they did for the first half move the ball. And Gruden's a good play scriptor and a good play designer. And Derek Carr's, and they got receivers on this team in a decent O line. So let's not overreact here. I don't think it's going to work. But you can go six and ten in the NFL and not be man overboard. You just had a tough schedule and you lose close games.

Gruden's going to win games this year. Derek Carr is too clever. He's too good of a play scriptor. And they have a good offensive line and a couple of nice receivers. So John, sell, sell, sell. Gruden to win games before Matt Patricia. By seller hold, Sam Darnel will set the record for rookie touchdown passes. Russell Wilson had 26 as a rookie, and Peyton Manning had 26 as a rookie.

And Darnold doesn't run like Russell Wilson, and he doesn't throw like Peyton Manning. And Todd Bowles is a defensive head coach, and by his very nature is a very conservative guy. So one of the things that nobody really talked about in this game is Sammy only threw the ball like 21 times. This is what they want him to throw. It reminds me when Marty Schottenheimer had like, didn't he have like Philip Rivers for a year? And like Philip Rivers was thrown like 12, 13 times. Like the very nature of Todd Bowles is to run the football, play good defense, have good special teams. I don't think Sam, I think Sammy by the end of the year is going to average about 23 throws a game.

So John, sell, sell, sell. He's not going to set any rookie. touchdown passing record. He's just not. Last one, buy seller hold. Matt Ryan will not start the season, O and 2. Yeah, it's funny. So I had, in my herd hierarchy, I had Atlanta

number one. And this week I moved him Joy to like number five. Everybody's like, whoa. You do get in the NFL, the average team scores 21 points, and the average game is decided by a field goal. The difference between like two and nine in the league is a field goal. Who's playing at home and who's on the

road? They host the Panthers. Matt Ryan's won four of five games, four of his last five against Cam Newton. And by the way, Atlanta is really good at home. And Matt Ryan's really good against Cam. And Atlanta's a five and a half point favorite. And I can tell you my blazing five's coming up in a couple days. It's one of the tastier lines in the NFL this weekend. So John, bye, bye, bye, Matt Ryan and Atlanta, I still like them.

Listen, they can't beat Philly in Philly. That's like saying, you know, you can't beat the Warriors in Oakland. You're no good. They're struggling in the red zone. and they've lost a couple of defensive guys. I don't think they're as good now as it a week ago. They're not as healthy. But losing in Philly is not the end of the world.

Atlanta will win this weekend. A lot of good stuff today. Really, really good stuff. Also, Albert Breer, who is just, now he runs Monday morning quarterback. Peter King no longer runs it. He went to NBC. So Albert Breer, one of the great information guys in the NFL has got some very,

very juicy information on New England, on the Jets. We've got all sorts of stuff coming up today, maybe on John Gruden as well. I also have some thoughts, what's happening in Seattle with the Seahawks and Pete Carroll. It is fascinating. He left USC. Remember the year he left?

He left after nine years at USC. He's got one year left on his deal. This is the final year, contract year. What's happening to Seattle? Did you hear those quotes after the game against Denver? This is his ninth year in Seattle. I'm telling you, it feels like Seattle. It feels like USC.

Ninth year at USC. You have this vision of what it was, and then there's the reality. It was at what at the end? We got this vision of Seattle and Pete. It's happening again. There's a couple of things lining up perfectly. He'll last the season, but it feels like it's unraveling. And we'll have that, Albert Breer, Hour 3.

We have a ton, a ton left. In L.A. with joy, it's the herd. Hour 3, this is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me, one of the really good information guys in the NFL, Albert Breer, who now runs Monday morning quarterback. Peter King went to NBC, so Albert Brewer's running that.

He's got great information, the latest on to Aaron Rogers. Lively show today. Me and Joel Clad almost came to blows. I had the mystery suitcase, government information. What else do we have today? Nick Wright crushing me. You know what? I take a lot of heat on this show.

But I show up for work every day, Joy. A lot of arrows I have to. I slinging, I'm like Captain America. Got a shield here just getting crushed all day on the show. Well, when you have a hot take, you believe in, you got to stick with it. You got to stick with it. You can't be weak. Can't be soft and weak.

So 15 minutes, Albert Breer from Monday morning quarterback will be joining us on this show. We have a best for last. one of the great legends of NFL quarterback history being saluted. But it's only been one game. Only been one game. But things are already, according to reports, looking really gloomy for Matt Patricia in Detroit. There's multiple reports since he took the job. Players don't like him.

Players don't relate to him. He's too gruff. He works too hard. You watch him on the sidelines, hat on backwards, pencil. He's a mess. Nobody's communicating. Stories out today. He's over his head.

Nobody likes him. Another Bill Belichick guy is not working. And it is remarkable. How many Bill Belichick? Josh McDaniel, failed. Charlie Weiss, didn't work. Bill O'Brien. Good luck.

Jim Schwartz fired. Eric Mangini. Romeo Cronnell. By the way, all different cats. All different dudes. Some are more quiet, Romeo Cronnell. Some are more empathetic. Eric Mangini.

Some are gruff. Nick Saban. Charlie Weiss, all different kind of coaches. None of fail. And we know that Belichick is the best coach in the NFL. In my opinion, he's as good at coaches we've ever had. And that includes the Lombardies, the Jimmy Johnson's, the Parcells, the Bill Walsh. He's as good as they have. And another assistance not working. But here's what's interesting. Andy Reed, Mike Holmgren, Denny Green. We don't consider them as good a head coach, but why are their coaching trees much more successful. Andy Reed and Mike Holmgren, Todd Bowles, Doug Peterson, Pat Schumer, Ron Rivera,

John Harbaugh, Super Bowl. Amazing. Guys are winning. You've got Super Bowls. Mike Holmgren, similarly. Very successful coaching tree. Denny Green, Tony Dungey, Mike Tomlin, Jim Caldwell got to a Super Bowl. Brian Billick won a Super Bowl. What's happening here? And I have a belief about this. that Belichick is as close to a football genius as we've ever had. There's a lot of smart people in Silicon Valley. Steve Jobs was a genius. There's a lot of smart people in science. Elon Musk is probably a tortured genius.

Geniuses are not good mentors. They're not as caring. They're not as patient. They don't put their arm around you. They're not taking you out for dinners. geniuses do not make good mentors. When you're around a genius, and I think I've only worked around one person that I thought was sort of at a different level upstairs, you just siphon everything you can from them.

I had a friend who worked for Bill Gates. It's like Bill's not patient enough to make you great. What you do is study Bill Gates, figure out as much as you can about Bill Gates, hopefully don't tick off Bill Gates, but he's not going to put his arm around you and hug you. He's changing the world. Bill Belichick is not a great mentor. And proximity to genius doesn't make you a genius. Even inside a family with the same DNA, you can have the smart daughter and the dumb son.

So even DNA in the same house, same school, same parent, same blood, same everything, proximity to genius doesn't make you a genius. But if you look at Bill Belichick's coaching tree, there are disasters in the NFL everywhere. And you just have to realize that. Is that some people, I think Andy Reid's a really good coach. Mike Hongren's a really good coach. Denny Green's a really good coach. But I never thought of them as football savants.

But I do think of them, and I've met all of them, and I like all of them, they're more caring. They'll put their arm around you. They'll share wisdom. They're more patient. Chris Carter was talking about Denny Green, who he played under in Minnesota, the kind of guy he was, and it doesn't really sound like Belichick.

Listen. Even in losing, there's some ugly parts to this business. Denny Green used to go back on the plane and check on every single guy. How are you doing? Saw you had a rough one. All right, take it easy. He used to tell me, when I tore both my calves,

I'll see you next Sunday. On Sunday. And in that little personal touch, that comes with being a season coach, which these coaches don't have. And it will be a problem because it ain't the X's the O's in the NFL. It's the Willie's and the Joe's. And you need football players to go out there and do that work. And that's something that he's going to have to learn.

But Denny Green after games goes down to every player on the plane. How you're doing? How you're feeling? How's the family? Don't get too down. That's not Belichick. Geniuses don't do that. Steve Jobs didn't do that.

Elon Musk is not doing that. Andy Reid is, Mike Hongren is. Sometimes, and I'll give you an example, Belichick wasn't Belichick, until he found the perfect quarterback who was as driven as him, as focused as him, as aspirational as him,

as tough on himself as him. Belichick didn't work. Belichick is a lot like a comedic genius. And again, Elon Musk, Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry David. Larry David created Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm. He's kind of considered a genius. Larry David was a failed stand-up comic, frustrated.

And then he met his Tom Brady. His Tom Brady was Jerry Seinfeld, who was the perfect, driven, less chaotic, take a deep breath, cerebral comic. that could pacify and understand the genius of Larry David. And then Larry is an all-timer. Belichick wasn't working in this league. He's not patient. He's not the greatest mentor. He was failing in this league.

Larry David was just a smart comic and failing. Then Brady and Seinfeld come into it, and they find the perfect mate to handle their genius, just as driven, just as aspirational, and can take the edge off Bill and the edge off Larry David. So just because your boss and you're near him is smart, proximity to genius has never, even inside a house with the same parent, same DNA,

has never equaled a genius. You know, the other thing I was thinking about is that you can teach a lot of things to people. Like if you were a coach, I could say, you know, I'd change your practice schedule. I'd give your assistance a little more responsibility. I'd work them harder on Wednesday, loosen up on Friday.

How do you teach smart? You know what I mean? It's like you can take the Howard Stern, the Rush Limbaugh radio playbook, but they're both smart. And that's why it works, because they have a lot of time to fill. And you can't prep for every minute of every show.

I prep two and a half hours for every show. that gets me through about an hour of 15. You can't prep for seven hours or I'll be here at two in the morning. You know, my life would be terrible. At some point, you hope that when you open your mouth, you say interesting stuff. And that's what Howard's done and radio stars have done. I don't think you can teach a lot to a lot of people. You can't teach smart.

You know, you can't teach, you know. You know, it's funny about like even kids, my kids, my daughter and my son are like opposites and so many personality traits. some stuff you can't teach. It's in you, it's with you, it's who you are. Coming up next, Albert Breer is around the corner. And why I think the Seahawks are in a lot more trouble, and Pete Carroll may not get a contract extension. Maybe they're working on it.

Maybe I don't know. But thought of some things in the last hour they don't want to address. Well, he's a former Patriot Beat Writer for the Boston Globe, one of America's great newspapers, a former cowboy beat reporter for the Dallas us morning news. Again, one of the great American sports pages. He's been an NFL writer for the sporting news and was the

senior NFL reporter for the Monday morning quarterback. He's our friend Albert Breer joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. First of all, congrats. You're the boss man at MMQB. Way to go, Albert. Nice going. Congrats. Yeah, I've been in the job for two or three

months, but I guess they actually made it officially official now. No difference for me, but thank you. I appreciate it. Okay. Let's start with this. Matt, Patricia, it didn't look good. I mean, I've said this before. You can see bad very quickly. You can see bad service in a restaurant.

You can watch the voice and tell somebody who can't sing. Matt, Patricia, that just looked awful. Why do the disciples of Holmgren work and Tony Dungee work and Andy Reed work and Bill Parcells work? And they don't work with Belichick. What's the answer here? Well, I mean, I think you got to put on the individual guys first. The biggest commonality I've seen in the failure of Bill's guys and going other places is that they try to be too much like Bill. I think we saw it with Eric Mangini, both of the Jets and the Browns.

We saw it with Josh McDaniels and Denver. And what those two guys had in common is they'd never worked anywhere else. Bill O'Brien's a little different because you could actually say that he came up under George O'Leary, not Bill Belichick. And by the time he got to Belichick, he was actually a fully formed coach. Manjini and McDaniels weren't that way. And that's why I think you have to at least have your radar up with Patricia. Because other than some low-level quality control stuff, he really hasn't worked anywhere but New England. And he hasn't worked in any other NFL team but New England.

And so I think it's certainly worth watching here. Now, I think Matt's smart enough, and he's actually said this to me directly. He knows he has to be himself. But if you're going to do things the way they do them in Foxborough, you better get some results pretty quickly because it's hard to keep selling what you're doing on those guys if they aren't winning or they aren't individually producing. You know, I'm looking at Jimmy Garoppolo this weekend, and I tried to add some context today. I said, folks, his last six or seven starts, they've been against the Vikings defense and the Jags defense and the Bears defense and the Rams defense. And it's like he's throwing a pick a game.

But they were still in that game. Minnesota had the number one defense in the league. He was on the road with a rebuild it off. You know, San Francisco is still rebuilding a big chunk of their offense. Give me your takeaway when you've talked to the Patriots. I think people are now freaking out because Jimmy Garoppolo now lost a game and threw three picks, but I still think he's on track. You?

Yeah, I think he's fine. I think this is the natural progression for quarterbacks now. And this is something all your viewers, your listeners can keep an eye on. I think when young quarterbacks get in games for the first time, there's actually a window there where they have an advantage over everybody else. Because coaches are doing so much to make these quarterbacks comfortable now from a scheme standpoint. And because there isn't a lot of tape on these individual players, you usually have like a four to six week window there

where the rookie quarterback looks really, really good. And then what happens? Well, you know, the other team starts to get tape and they see what they're doing scheme-wise to make the quarterback comfortable, and they're seeing who the quarterback is as a player, and then they've got to readjust. Carson Wentz went through this two years ago in Philadelphia where got off to about six, seven game start,

where he looked unstoppable. And then teams started sitting on the short stuff, forcing them to make harder throws. and he regressed. Then he comes back year two and he looks okay. So I think this is part of what's natural for young quarterbacks now is that there's a short period of time where they're able to kind of build some momentum and play well and other teams don't know how to deal with them. And then, you know, they go through kind of that second adjustment. I think that's where Jimmy Garoppolo is right now. Were you surprised how good Sam Darnold was? No. I mean, again, I think that this is

part of the deal with young quarterbacks. They did some things to make him look comfortable. Yeah. I think he's a little bit of a different cat, though. If you watch him, just watch closely, watch the way his head moves, watch the way that he deals with pressure, watch the way that he keeps his eyes down field when he scrambles. I think there were a lot of good signs on Monday night, in addition to the fact that Jeremy Bates and that offensive staff

were making him feel comfortable with some of the things that they were doing. And I think there are two primary things that Sam has that we saw at USC to transfer right right over to the NFL that are going to help him in playing through an entire season as a rookie quarterback in the NFL. Number one, he can take hits. We saw that yet last year at USC behind a young offensive line. He took some hits against Detroit. He was able to bounce back from that.

I think that's something that he has that won't go away. The other thing that he has that won't go away, and we saw this at USC compartmentalizing mistakes. Last year at SC, he turned the ball over a lot. You know what? He was always able to bounce back from those. They got off to a rough start early in the year. What happens?

They come back and win the conference. We actually saw that on Monday night. He comes out. He throws a pick, six first play. That could be where a rookie crumbles. What happens, he's able to compartmentalize that mistake and move on. So those two qualities, I think we saw both those qualities on Monday night, and they're going to serve them well the rest of the year. By the way, Des Bryant, Philadelphia is showing us they'd rather throw to Nick Foles than Des Bryant because they need

help. Washington's down to three receivers. Yesterday, the Patriots picked up a guy who has struggled in Buffalo, a young receiver, struggled to get the playbook down, and we know the intensity of New England, their rhythm and their playbook. What are you, what are your sources telling you on Des? Well, there's a question about whether or not he can run anymore. I know the Dallas coaches felt like he really lacked the explosiveness he had earlier in his career. And if you can't run by any people, the question is, what is he now? He's not a great route runner. He doesn't have a great head for the game. What he can do, he can catch the ball in traffic. He's competitive. He's tough. So there's something to work with there. The bigger question here is, is he willing to be

the number two or number three guy. What you hear from people in Dallas is, Dak felt like every four or five plays he had to look over and make sure Des was still engaged and Des was still good. And that's fine if the guy is Des Bryant of 2014. That's harder to deal with when he's Des Bryant of 2017. So I think that's part of the question now is, okay, you're not a number one receiver anymore, Des.

Are you okay with being the number two or number three? Well, you know what that means is that means you're going to be running down the field. And maybe there's going to be stretching. of 10 or 15 plays where we're not going to look your way. Are you okay with that? I think for him to get into one of these places where he's going to go to a place where he can get a one-year deal and be with a winning team, he's got to convince teams of that, that he's willing to be a role player and not the number one guy anymore. We've seen guys do it before. Larry Fitzgerald's a great example of it out in Arizona. We've seen guys where they scuffle against the idea of not being

a number one anymore. Terrell Owens was a good example of that. Des has got to prove to or showed other teams, I'm willing to be that Larry Fitzgerald type of guy going forward. You know, I will say this. I want to circle back to New England because you cover the league, but you have extensive sourcing within the organization and very few do. I just found it was remarkable. Houston's defensive front almost didn't touch Tom. They got a new left tackle.

They lost a running back, Danny Amandola. I've said this, like marriage has changed. like the honeymoon stage of the marriage, then you have sacrifices, you get later and later in a marriage, and it changes. And it does feel like Tom and Bill had a rough patch here in the offseason. But God, when I watched that opener,

and was like, you know, maybe they just come to a new place. And this is, you know what, we're not best friends, but we're really good for each other. Because I don't think you can play that well if your quarterback and coach are not, see an eye to eye. They were surgical. I mean, they, they have had bad September games.

They were surgical. Where are they at today? Well, one advantage Bill has is that he's never been buddy-buddy with any of these guys. You know, it's always been when you're playing for him, it's a business relationship. He's never been cuddly with his players. In fact, when older guys go back there, they say it's incredible. The difference they see in Bill Belichick, he's warm, he's friendly when they come back as ex-players. They didn't see that when they were current players. And that goes for even the greatest quarterback of all time. And so I think this has always been part of the deal with Bill and Tom.

And one of the things the crafts really banked on here and getting through this offseason was that these guys are so competitive, they're so professional, and they're so locked into the idea of playing winning football that when it counts, it's going to be okay. And I think that really did wind up happening here. As for the Alex Guerrero stuff, you know, I think. think with both Brady and Grancowski, this is going to have to be dealt with at some point. And I think when those two players and their agents sat down with the Patriots, that's when it was quietly taken care of.

So that was the one piece of business that they really had to get off the table before the season. It seems like that's been taken care of. And again, it looks like the craft family's bet that once the real games begin, these guys are going to be focused and it's going to be where it needs to be. It looks like that bet's paying off. I want to throw another one at you. Pete Carroll on Russell Wilson. Now, Russell Wilson last year led the NFL and touchdown passes

with by most people agreeing it was a bad O line. It was a bottom 30. So this weekend, he got destroyed. Von Miller had one of the, people forget, Khalil Mack was amazing. Von Miller was unbelievable. Yeah. And he was, and Russell Wilson was running for his life.

And after the game, Pete Carroll said, But, you know, Rust needs to just do a better job. He said, I'm not trying to cover. He can play way better than he played. Now, I don't want to take it out of context. But I wonder on this thing, that you had the ESPN magazine article. You know, Pete's a defensive guy. He put his arms around Michael Bennett and Richard Sherman.

To Pete and Russell, what is that relationship like? Because Pete's now, he's getting close to 70, Albert, and it's his last year in his contract. Well, he has two years left. He does have two years. He has two years left on his contract, which means generally decision time with the coach is when he's got a year left. So they'll have to deal with that after the year. I would say that I think it's interesting when you hear what Carol said, it almost sounded like a deliberate attempt to say we're holding him accountable too. That's what I thought.

I know a lot of people like look, a lot of the discord there in that organization over the course of the last two or three years. And I can tell you this because I've talked to these guys. Those defensive players did not feel like Russell Wilson was being held accountable or being held to the same standard that a lot of them were. And that issue there was only exacerbated when some of those guys were shown the door in the offseason. And so I think there really is this feeling in that organization. You know what? We got to hold Russell Wilson accountable. And if he's going to get another contract here, he's going to have to earn it.

And so the thing I really paid attention to listen to Pete Carroll after the game, they seem to be publicly holding Russell. Russell Wilson more accountable than they have in the past. And I think that that's not just talking to Russell Wilson. I think it's also talking through Russell Wilson to the rest of the team saying, hey, this guy's being held accountable to. God, that's so weird. He's, I mean, if you look at his passer rating, his TD interception, his completion percentage, he's on a track for a Hall of Fame career.

And there's resentment toward him. Pete was 7 and 9 and 7 and 9 before. I just tell you this, though, okay? I think the one thing that's interesting, and look, Robert Clemco and Greg Bishop did a great job in the story they did for us last week. And now I was in on that a little bit. One thing I can tell you is really interesting about the way Russell's handled all of this. He became a star very, very quickly. And he, for one reason or another, was never sort of part of the club in that locker room.

And quarterbacks are different everywhere. Quarterbacks are treated differently. They're paid differently. They're drafted differently when they come. into the league. It's almost like they're golfers versus the rest of the sport, right? They're just different. I would say that what you see with a lot of the top quarterbacks, the guys who really make it work, your Peyton Mannings, your Tom Brady's, your Aaron Rogers is there's always subtle ways that they try to make sure that they emphasize, I'm one of the guys. For Aaron Rogers,

it's having his interview, his weekly interview at his locker rather than doing it at a podium. Tom Brady, when he was younger, whenever he did a commercial, he basically insisted to whatever company it was, my offensive linemen are coming with me. They're going to be in the commercial too. The top quarterbacks, what you usually see is they make a real effort to be one of the guys, to make sure that the other guys in the locker room know, hey, you're as important to me as anything else. And I think a lot of the older guys in the Seahawks locker room over the course of the last few years felt like Russell hadn't made that effort. Going forward for Russell, I think that's going to be really important because as he gets older, it's going to be harder and

harder to relate with the guys in the locker room. This happens with a lot of different quarterbacks. He's got to make sure that he continues to try to build. He works on trying to build the relationship with the rest of the guys in the locker room. That hasn't happened in the past. I think it's a big reason why this problem exists for him now. And it's something I think he's certainly going to have to address going forward in Seattle. Big boss man at Monday morning quarterback.com.

Really, really, really, really good stuff on Russell and the Seahawks and the Patriots. Albert, love your work. Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks, Colin. I appreciate it. That was good stuff. So they don't feel like, because by the way, Brady's married to a supermodel and Russell's married to Sierra.

So it's not that. I mean, that's understood. I mean, Alex Smith is married to like a model. So it's not that thing, right? They're saying Russell Wilson's not one of the dudes. Is that what they're saying? I think there's some other factors in that. You think so?

Yeah. Do you have a suitcase, a question mark suitcase? I have a brink's truck. But I'm just, I'm not a journalist. So I don't get into that. You're not a journalist? No. Oh, I love being a journalist.

I love Reagan news. I wear my biases very openly. Joy Taylor with a news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so NFL coaches often share praise for upcoming opponents. And Bill Belichick is giving Blake Bortals a lot of credit for his mobility, right?

Belichick says he puts Bortelts athleticism in the same category as to is Sean Watson. Who said this? No, Malachek. And Cam Newton. Let's take a listen. He's good, yeah. He runs well.

He's a big, strong kid. It's hard to bring down. He can extend plays. So just similar to quarterback that we've seen really the last three weeks. Not counting the Giants game, but, you know, we've seen us three weeks in a row with players that have that type of skill. Yeah. Does that surprise you? Well, Bortles is, yeah, he's a, yeah, he's a, yeah.

but I don't know. At least he was honest. He did say, I'm not counting the Giants. Well, he did have a 41-yard gain against the Giants. Bortles is an athlete. He's not. He's rushed over 300 rushing yards in each of his four seasons. Is that a lot?

And as 18 carries, it's seventh most amongst all NFL quarterbacks. You wouldn't think that when you think of Bordals. But, you know, Balchuk does his homework. If I said to you, if I said to you, quarterbacks that are mobile, I think Cam. Not someone that would come to mind. No. Cam, Russell. Rodgers, Deshawn,

Luck, Alex Smith. I start running out of guys. Who do you think, John? Do I mean missing somebody? I think Bortles is kind of like luck. He can run. They're not maybe the best runners, but they're athletic enough to run. And they're giants.

Actually, Aaron Rogers, to me, is a guy I always think of that moves a lot. He doesn't run past the line of scrimmage a lot, but Aaron will take off once or twice a game, just to keep you honest. And, by the way, always runs at the right time. Aaron always runs, slides, nobody touched him, get up the nine-yard game. I'm trying to think of it. Once you get through those... There's not a ton of runners.

For the record, there's a reason there's a bunch of them in college and not in the NFL. It's hard to win in the NFL. Big Ben used to run. He doesn't anymore. Oh, no, no, no. He had one big run this weekend. Speaking of Ben, thank you for that transition. He did not play much in the preseason, only in the third game. And he said Rust was not a factor against the Browns,

where he accounted for five turnovers. Siglism. You know, I don't think so. I think, you know, the first interception was me just getting a little anxious to get the ball to AB. I've got on a little roll out there in the Redsland. The guy made a great play. You know, that one may be just, you know, having a feel of game speed stuff as compared to practice. All three interceptions from Rathesberger came in the first half.

We did a 35.1 pass a rating. Look, I'm not going to overreact to his game. Like Rothesberger's gone off a cliff or something, but that was not a good start. No, it wasn't. his accuracy is dipped. I've always thought of him as Cam Newton. He's a better Cam. He's not really a precision quarterback.

He's not. What he is is a mega talent. He and Cam are the most unique physical specimens to ever play the position. And the knock-on Cam is he's not precise enough. And the knock-on Ben to me is, you know, you watch Brady and Rogers and Breeze, and he's not that.

But I do think Big Ben's a better thrower than Cam. I also think he's had better weapons than Cam. Eadler's draft wide receivers better than any organization. But I think with Ben, you just take the talent, deal with it, and he wins a lot of games, wins his division seemingly every year. And you just kind of deal with... It's not enough. I know.

It's not enough. The whole organization's weird. Fun, exciting, weird, odd, strange, inconsistent. So finally, the Miami turnover chain has led to a lot of spinoffs or knockoffs, but none are worse than Florida State's turnover backpack. So new FSU coach Willie Taggart has a slight obsession with the turnover chain because when he was at Oregon last season, the ducks were the first imitators of the turnover chain. And now they have the backpack. Let's listen to him to defend this horrible knockoff.

My defensive players, our guys wanted to do something for the turnovers. And they decided they wanted to secure the back. And that was their message of securing the bag. and they secured it five-time on Saturday, and I was very impressed with it. He didn't have a huge presence of the mic, does he? He seems a little shy. I would be shy, too, if I was explaining why I'm using a turnover backpack.

Yeah, it was bad. Just make it stop. It's corny. Boise State might be the worst. They have a turnover throne. Who does? Boise State. They have a chair that you sit in, like a throne after a turnover.

Tulane has turnover beads. There's a turnover plank. It's just, look, there's certain things that only Miami can do. And the turnover chain is just for Miami. Just stop trying to imitate. Miami, and you know this, was the most unique dynasty of my life in college sports. It didn't even feel like college football. No.

It felt like kind of. Well, it kind of wasn't always amateur football. If you didn't do the story. It felt like kind of it was somewhere between NFL and college, but it was not college. Absolutely not. And I'm not making,

I'm not insinuating anything. It just felt like almost pro football. Listen, it had huge personalities. Huge. There was a lot of controversy around it. You had the youth swagger and you've got them coming out in the camo and, you know, Catholics versus convicts. There are so many elements to, and when you look,

look at the amount of pro athletes that that program produced. It's really unprecedented. It's also, it's a pro town. Miami's a sophisticated. It's not like middle of nowhere. It's shiny and it's over the top. Like, just stop with the turnover backpack. Please, just let there's just something.

Just leave it alone. All right. It's Miami's thing. Everybody doesn't have to have a turnover thing. Just get your turnovers and celebrate like you used to do before the turnover chain existed. Make it stop. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lye News. Coming up, we have an emotional farewell to one of the most legendary quarterbacks in NFL history. That is next in best for last. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. By the way, this is sort of breaking news.

Aaron Rogers said, sprain knee, not specifically. specifically say that it's an MCL, that a brace is a possibility if he plays. So the Aaron Rogers thing, it's a sprain knee. He won't say, according to this reporter, if it's an MCO. By the way, Minnesota's got a good pass rush.

He was hurt last year. He was hurt again. I had to wear the brace. Listen, Chicago and Minnesota have two of the top five pass rushes in the league, and that's his reality. Well, I mean, even if they're not, the top past Russian lines in the league, you're going to get hit eventually.

Yeah, I'd wear, I'd take care of my knee. It's so frustrating. Why? Because it's better for football of Aaron Rogers is out there. Yes, it's no good. Last year. Not saying this is like Aaron planned for this, but it's a bummer. He makes the game more interesting.

All right, today we have to say goodbye and one of the legendary quarterbacks in NFL history. It is time for best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. Sunday, the bills got crushed 47 to 3. Nathan Peterman was the quarterback.

Of course, you remember Nathan Peterman last year. He opened up. They benched to Rod Taylor. Buffalo was playing pretty well, kind of spotty on offense. They yanked him out, put in Peterman against the Chargers. Five picks, they were down 37 to 7. It was the worst performance of the year. Sunday, Peterman got benched again in the third quarter.

Here's the coach, Sean McDermott, said Josh Allen now will replace Nathan Peterman. Here's what the coach said. It's the right move for our team, which I keep coming back to. And you guys need to understand everything I do, everything we do, is to do the right thing for our football team. It's not for one individual. It's for the team. And that drives every decision we make.

So Nathan Peterman, his career appears to be over. And so with that, it's time for great moments in quarterback history. And now it's time for another edition of great moments in quarterback history. The date September 9th, 2018, the site, Baltimore. Buffalo Bill's quarterback Nathan Peterman came into week one, eager to erase the memory of his unceremonious start the previous season, where he threw five first-half interceptions and got benched at halftime. This time around, Peterman came out hot,

leading the bills on several long drives deep down the field if you include the yardage gained from punts. His most impressive drive came right before the half when he led the team 98 yards through the tunnel and into the locker room. In the third quarter, Peterman continued to go toe-to-toe with Baltimore quarterback Joe Flacco, completing almost as many passes to Ravens receivers. Peterman's performance was truly historic. His passer rating of 0.0 is a record surely never to be broken.

In the end, the bill's lost to the Ravens 47 to 3, but the score truly didn't reflect Peterman's tremendous efforts, because Buffalo kicked that field goal way after he'd been benched. This has been great moments in quarterback history. It seems like we're a little mean-spirited, but it is true. By the way, his stats against Baltimore, five for 18. Oh, my lord. 27%. Where do he go to college?

I don't remember him as a college player. He went to Pitt? God, that's bad. Sorry about that. Did you watch him play at Pitt? I mean, yeah, but it's not like, could you have, could anyone have predicted this? You know, they had Tarad Taylor.

They made the playoffs. It's so odd. And they're like, yeah, we're, Tyrod Taylor's are real problems here. Let's ship Tarad Taylor out. It's like, I think Tarad Taylor was kind of holding this puppy together. And, you know, these teams get into very interesting spots where you don't want to pay Tarad Taylor $18 million a year, but you know, probably been better off paying him 15. and pay to Rod three years and develop Josh.

Because Josh Allen really truthfully needs one year and probably two, like Lamar Jackson, watching the games. I mean, Josh Allen's not close to being ready. So these teams get in these weird spots where they're like, you know, listen, we don't want to pay to Rod Taylor this. He led you to the playoffs. You probably should have paid him. And by the way, good guy doesn't make mistakes.

So coaching becomes, he's like an easy guy to coach, Terod Taylor. Not going to make a lot of mistakes. Like Alex Smith, you know exactly what you get, kind of a low ceiling. But, you know, nice floor, steady floor. What a mess. By the way, I was saying this earlier today, Sam Darnold, you know I love Sam Darnold. I'm a first, I'm a club member of Sam's Club. But, you know, I'm listening to everybody with Sam Darnold.

The Jets are not as dysfunctional as everybody thinks. of all the situations for a quarterback to go in, Todd Bowles is a better coach than Hugh Jackson. So that's an advantage Sam has over Baker Mayfield. They've got Jeremy Bates is easier to deal with than Todd Haley. The Jets have had one owner in 19 years. Their defense is way better than Cleveland. You know, one of the reasons Donald's going to be better than Baker Mayfield,

because Donald's got more to work with. I think we see the Jets as dysfunctional. Chicago, Cleveland, Buffalo, those are dysfunctional. In the last decade, the Jets have four playoff wins. In the last decade, the Giants have four playoff wins. The Giants only have five more wins than the Jets in the last decade. And by the way, they just gave Todd Bowles an extension. So, you know, it's funny.

And I think, you know, I'm as big a fan of Sam Darnold as you'll find in the American media. But this is really a good situation for a quarterback. I mean, it really is. they've got a, if you go look at the history of football, Belichick has a defensive head coach. Peyton Manning won Super Bowls. Tony Dungey was a defensive head coach. Terry Bradshaw, defensive head coach.

A lot of these quarterbacks who are legends, they take care of the offense. They have a defensive head coach. And, you know, Todd Bulls, the defensive guy, plus they have a great offensive coordinator. Josh McNaugnown is probably the best mentor slash player in the league. The defense will keep Sam Darnold in game, so they're not going to need... Sam's not going to be playing down 20 in the second quarter.

The Jets may lose 11 games. They're going to be in most of their games. Leonard Williams, Trumane Johnson, Jamal Adams. These are great players. They're not good players. They're great players. So one of the downsides to Andrew Luck when he broke into this league, he was constantly playing from behind.

He had to be in shootouts. So Andrew Luck was throwing 34 times a game. That's when a rookie quarterback throws four picks. That's when a rookie quarterback makes mistakes. They're not going to ask... This reminds me a lot of when Philip Rivers came into the league. You can look it up, John. Marty Schottinheimer was his coach.

And they were asking Philip Rivers. He had a good defense. They had a running game. And he's like, we're going to ask you to throw the ball like 17 times a game. Sam Darnold's going to throw the ball 21 times a game. Great defense. He gets to play the bills twice, the Dolphins twice. The AFC is weaker to begin with.

You start looking at the jet schedule. There's a lot of winnable games here. We got Cleveland coming up. We got Oakland coming up. You know, Cleveland, their schedule is really. brutal. Pittsburgh twice. Cincinnati's tough. Baltimore's tough. So, you know, as much as I like Sam Darnold, and he really looks solid and stable, but I didn't think he was exceptional. What I thought he was, that's exactly what he is. He makes big mistakes. He's kind of reckless,

but God, he forgets him, he bounces back, he's tough. But this jet situation, if you're a Baker Mayfield fan, and I'm giving Baker credit here, way tougher situation. Way tougher in Cleveland, Hugh Jackson's not going to be there in a year. He's not going to be there. So that means Todd Haley's personality so strong. He'll either be the coach or he won't be there. So Baker's going to have a new coach and probably a new coordinator by next year. And their defense isn't nearly as good as the Jets.

And their division is way tougher than the Jets. So I think this Sam Darnold thing, I think it's going to work. I think it's kind of, it's one of those situations where you're thinking it's a mess. They have $105 million of cap space. That's the most in the league. They're going to get them an offensive line and running backs. Levy and Bell may be a jet. Don't kid yourself.

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