The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NBA All-Star Game, Tom Brady to the Raiders and the Astros Cheating Scandal

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

Colin explains why the NBA All-Star game was a success, why he doesn’t see Tom Brady signing with the Raiders, his thoughts on the NFL draft rumors, why he is defending MLB commissioner Rob Manfred, and where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Guests include Stephen Jackson, Rich Ohrnberger, Albert Breer, and Ric Bucher. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor was at the All-Star Game in Chicago, is joining me one hour from now, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. There's plenty of both. Joy, how are you this morning? I'm great. A lot warmer here in L.A. than in Chicago. Five degrees in Chicago? It was very cold, but it was beautiful. I loved Chicago. NBA did a great job with everything. I wasn't at the actual game.

I was at Saturday nights festivities, but... Which were fun, too. It was very fun. Good stuff. Chicago's a great American city. Just not in January and February. A little chilly. A little chilly. I want to start with this. I usually don't talk about All-Star Games. I've never done a segment after a Pro Bowl. I don't really talk about the All-Star game. I don't talk about the hockey All-Star game. I really don't talk about the NBA All-Star game. But yesterday is

significant, not just because it was really, really entertaining. But over the last 15 years, if LeBron James cares about something, then the players care about something. This is a star-driven league. In the NFL, the stars bail on the Pro Bowl. You know, let's face it. You know, let's face it. They play it before the Super Bowl, so many of the best players aren't available, and the other available players, stars don't want to play in the game. So what is the symbolism? What is the signal in the National Football League to the players who aren't superstars? Well, superstars don't want to play in it?

What do I care about? It's a vacation. But in the NBA, LeBron James decided this weekend, this game matters. And so it mattered. It was not just about tweaking the rules because if it was just a about that, then why did Kauai Leonard come out in the first half? Guns blazing, I'm going to take home the MVP. If LeBron cares about something politically, the other stars care. LeBron James says, you need to own your own media platforms. Steph and KD followed.

LeBron James says to the commissioner, we've got to have fewer back-to-back games. We'll give the fans a higher quality product. The commissioner listens. LeBron's like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm into load management outside of Kauai Leonard, who's a quirky personality, and many do defend his physicality. There is an issue with his knee. The players follow. Michael Jordan had remarkable influence among the fans, be like Mike, advertisers, Gatorade McDonald's, and the media. LeBron has remarkable influence among the players. If he cares about a political issue, all of them do. If he cares about the scheduling, the commissioner does. If he cares about the All-Star game, that thing looked like a playoff game.

You got a bunch of guys with titles and rings and $100 million net worth, and they're playing that fourth quarter like it's game five of a second round playoff series. That is influence. And LeBron can have his critics, and he's been to the finals, and he's lost a lot. It should be noted, Jerry West had been to like 9, 10, 11 finals before he won, and he's the damn logo. But LeBron James, caring about the All-Star weekend,

it's kind of a wide-open weekend. You got the NASCAR race, right, the Daytona 500. You got a new sport, the XFL. Eh, you kind of got the All-Star weekend. And LeBron has made a point. The game matters. I'm going to leave the dunk contest to the kids. The dunk contest is the home run derby.

I'm going to leave that Saturday night to the kids. But the game, the spectacle, the contest, Sunday night, prime time. This matters. And I thought, yesterday in a star-driven league, you saw another example of the star players in this league, caring, taking charges, flopping, arguing with each other, arguing with the reps. And by the way, all you fans out there that don't like the NBA always find ways not to like it. And I always hear about, where's the parody?

I don't know. Did you watch Kauai, LeBron, and A.D. playing together in the fourth quarter? I'd watch that. Really? How come Clemson and Alabama football fans don't complain when they get all the five-star athletes? You don't love parity then.

Ohio State football fans cheer when they get more five-star athletes than everybody else in the Big Ten combined. I don't hear you cheering for parity then. I don't hear you NFL fans. The Saints keep winning their division. The Patriots keep winning their division. I don't hear Patriots and St. fans complaining about parity.

Green Bale probably win their division for the next three with Aaron Rogers. I don't hear anybody in Green Bay complaining about parity. I don't want parity. We had it in the NBAs in the 70s. Nobody watched. My Sonics won. Elvin Hayes won. Dr. J. won.

Portland won. And nobody watched. You know what they watched? All those stars lining up yesterday and caring and playing hard like it mattered. And that game is going to get a big fat rating because of it. I like stars. Parity's overrated. And if LeBron cares about something,

the stars, the league, and the commissioner do. I thought it was a great Sunday for the league. All right, let me shift to this. Oh, brother. Here's a report. Tom Brady is going to get offered two years and $60 million by the Las Vegas Raiders. Okay. So a lot of this stems from a report that Tom Brady bought a house,

a big what they call mansion in Las Vegas. Okay. You know what I'm done with as an esteemed 25-year member of the American media, one of the leading opinionists in the space? Here's what I'm over. Blank bought a house in blank. He's going to be the new blank. Nick Saban bought a house in Austin, Texas.

He's going to be the new coach of the Longhorns. Wea, wah, wah, didn't buy it. John Gruden bought a house in Knoxville. He's going to be the new coach of the Tennessee. volunteers. How did that work out? Kauai, he bought a condo in Toronto. He's staying with the Raptors. 0-4-3.

Tom Brady, I don't believe, bought a big mansion in Las Vegas. Prove it to me. Show me the mortgage title. I don't buy it. Because I don't think Tom Brady is going to go to a rebuilding franchise and plan a division with Patrick Mahomes twice a year in those well. weapons. And by the way, it would be great for Mark Davis because the brand of the Raiders, the net worth of the owner like LeBron to the Cavaliers, would be elevated by $300 million.

The Raiders need Brady way more than Brady needs the NFL's poorest owner. Here's what I know about. Blank bought a house in blank city and he's moving there. I own a house in Utah. We're not moving this show there. Nonsense. Show me the mortgage title. This doesn't make stylistic sense. It doesn't make brand sense.

It doesn't make roster sense. And John Gruden, by the way, doesn't run an offense. You watched him for years on quarterback camp. He doesn't run the offense that Tom Brady does. Okay? The New England Playbook does not have a play called Y2K banana split. Okay, that's what John Gruden has. That's not what Brady runs. None of this makes sense. I don't buy into it for a second. Show me the mortgage title. I was in Vegas for the weekend. I looked

at all the mansions I could. None were Brady's. And if a guy named Tom Brady bought a mansion in Vegas, maybe there's a dentist or an accountant or a lawyer or a magician or an executive at a casino named Tom Brady. This one, I do not buy. Okay. So we got all sorts of stuff. No, you know how, like, Joy, you know this. They have what they call like allergy season. Right. And then in America, we have holiday season.

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Colin right, calling wrong. Stephen Jackson, 14 years in the NBA. Always has interesting opinion. He'll bring his energy and passion. Talk about the second half of the season. 30 games left now or less for everybody. This is when the NBA gets really, really interesting. Teams, you're stuck with a team you have.

You're stuck with your coach, mostly stuck with your guys. It gets fun. So, you know, the allergy season, the flu season, the holiday season, Hollywood has the award season. In the NFL for the next eight weeks or so, February, early April, March, early, late February is what I call leak season. NFL teams keep the information that's vital to themselves. They don't tell anybody.

That's why Baker Mayfield gets drafted by Cleveland number one. We find out a day before, and it shocks everybody. That didn't come out. We heard Cleveland like Sam Darnold. There's a veteran reporter in Miami. He's not some sloppy. I'm sure he's good. But let me just add context to the story today that the Miami-Darnell.

current view of Tua and Justin Herbert of Oregon might surprise you, Blairs the headline. The team, Miami, has an increasingly positive view of Justin Herbert at Oregon. Well, that's because everybody has a pretty positive of Justin Herbert. He's 6'5, 230, big arm, mobile, looks a little bit like Trevor Lawrence, had no wide receivers to throw to the last couple of years, suffered one injury of note. he's going to be a really nice NFL quarterback. Big mobile, strong moves, big arms, smart kid, biology major, well-liked, and led Oregon, which doesn't have Ohio State Clemson, LSU, Auburn talent to a bunch of wins.

He's really, really good. And if Miami likes him, that's fine. But you know what this story feels like? The Miami Dolphins making sure that if somebody else gets Tua, that it doesn't feel like a disaster. That's what teams do. That's what this is. That's not a knock on the reporter. What this basically is is managing expectations.

Because everybody likes Tua. His accuracy is absurd. Justin Herbert's accuracy is the knock on him. It's hit and miss. But NFL teams now, the Dolphins fan base is distracted to begin with. The beach, the weather, the lifestyle. So if they miss on Tua, it gives Miami fans another reason to tune out their football team. Miami's not a great sports town.

Like Vegas, it is a great event town. I think Vegas is actually a better sports town than Miami. They like their fights. They like their big stars. They like their big events. But these are fans that poured out of an NBA final with LeBron when they trailed in the fourth quarter at home, tried to come back in and the door was locked. This is just a way to manage expectations if they miss on Tua.

Listen, we're going to have, in my opinion, here's my mortal lock of the draft. Three quarterbacks taken. with the top six picks. Since he's taken one, Miami's taking one at five, the chargers are taking one at six, and I wouldn't be shocked if Carolina doesn't tank to get one next year or doesn't move up to get one this year. Here's Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So very fun Saturday night at All-Star Weekends in Chicago. Bametabio won the Skills Competition. He held won the three-point competition. Now the Dung Contest had a little. little bit of controversy.

It was between Aaron Gordon and Derek Jones Jr. And the second tiebreaker, Jones only scored 48 on his dunk from the free throw line. His foot went a little over the free throw line. That left the door open for Gordon. And he jumped over 7 foot 5 Taco Fall. Now, he did hit Taco in the back of the neck with his leg. Taco's 8 feet tall. That's okay.

He's 7'5. Okay, yes. So he did still jump over Taco Fall. But he only got 47 points. after scoring 50 on all five of his other dunks. So Derek Jones Jr. got the win. We have the final two dunks here we're showing right now. It was a really fun, really fun dunk contest.

Throughout the whole contest was fun. I thought everybody did a really great job. Look, the reality is this. It's very controversial. A lot of people feel like Aaron Gordon. I thought that they were going to give it to Aaron Gordon, as great as Derek Jones Jr. was throughout the whole contest. Later on, Candace Parker in Commons said that they were playing.

planning on ending it in a tie, but one of the judges messed up. They need to do 0.5. Like, they need to be able to have a little bit of stretch on the... I mean, because how can you judge these dunks? They're incredible. Like, how can you give any of them less than 10? I'm not going to jump in on any NBA exhibition dunk contest controversy because I don't care. But I do think what it really shows, if you go back and look 20 years ago, that we were

going gaga over dunks now, that would be fives. Right. The athleticism, anytime I hear this, that team in the 70s would crush a team today. The athleticism of dunks today are absurd. I remember because he jumped over two people went through his legs. We had Michael Jordan doing stuff. People were like, whoa, it's high schoolers do it now. These guys are doing stuff. We literally need props because these guys have figured out every possible way to do. I saw a high school kid last week, a skinny high school kid do a dunk that I saw at the dunk contest. It would have won the dunk contest in Jordan's era. My takeaway in this

dunk contest is these guys, the human body is just getting leaner, stronger, and more amazing every decade. It was really fun. I will say, though, fans were really into this dunk contest and had a lot of opinions about it. But I was there. I'm glad Derek Jones Jr. won. I understand it was controversy, but somebody has to lose. And, you know, Heat Nation, baby, it is what it is. So John Beeline is only halfway through his first season as the Cavs head coach, but it may already be coming to an end. He and the Cavs are reportedly discussing the possibility. of him stepping down during the All-Star break. No final decision has been made,

but he is expected to meet with GM Kobe Altman at some point today. He signed a five-year deal with the Cavs last May, and they are 14 and 40 last in the east. Well, college basketball is a coach of sport. The NBA is mostly a player's league, so that's why college basketball coaches have generally struggled in this sport. Jerry Tarkhanian struggled. Lon Kruger didn't, you know, he's a very good coach.

This is just... I can't say that I'm terribly surprised that this is the outcome. Can Cleveland do anything right if LeBron's not in that city? No, and then this situation, I think, I feel like after the thugs comment, it wasn't going to improve the situation there. And when this hiring happens, I think we were all kind of like... You can lose the game, but not the locker room. Right.

And then he lost the locker room. And that's pretty clear. So we'll keep an eye on what happens there, but it's looking like he's probably going to be out as the head coach. Finally, Philip Rivers is on the market for a new team. Former teammate Melvin Gordon says they haven't spoken about Rivers next. stop, but he has an idea about where he will end up. He said, I think he'll go to the Colts.

I don't know. That's just my thought. He has Nick there, the offensive coordinator. He came from here. They run the same playbook. So it would be easy for him to come right in. He can be telling guys what to do. It would be an easy plugin. I think that's probably the best fit. If Philip Rivers is willing to take a very Colts-friendly deal, this makes sense. Because I can say I have it sourced through various sorts.

The Colts are going to go get a quarterback either this year or next year. That's what they're going to do. They like Jacoby Brissette. They don't believe they have the margin for error with Jacoby that they would in the AFC with Kansas City Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. That's who you're competing against now. You've got to have somebody special there. We're seeing quarterbacks get better and more special every year.

If Philip Rivers came in and said, I'll do a two-year deal, totally Colts-friendly, $18 million, I think they would do it and feel it's a slight upgrade. But if Philip wants to get rich, and he's already made $100 million or more, he's not getting this. This all comes down to what is Philip Rivers willing to take? If he's like, it's eagoless, I love the game. I do think they could win a division with Philip Rivers. But he better understand if the Colts don't get a break,

then they're not, this is all about what he's willing to take. I don't see how Philip Rivers isn't going to do an egosless deal. What is the market for Philip Rivers right now? That is 17 million a year. Right. So, I mean, the money thing cannot be a motivation. He's not in Tom Brady's position. Who, for that matter, I don't know what the market is for Tom Brady when it comes to those numbers either.

So at this point, with the amount of quarterbacks that are coming in this year, and then we know what's coming up next year, the demanding of a high contract is not even a reasonable plan. If Philip Rivers just said, listen, man, I've made a ton. I'll play for $15 million. He becomes very attractive. It's still $15 million. I mean, we're throwing numbers out there, like whatever, but it's still $15 million. in your 17th year in the NFL. As long as you understand...

When you've just been let go by the team where you spent your entire career. Right. If you understand your value, there's a job for Philip Rivers for about one more year. You know, it's a good old line. I don't hate that fit for him, though,

or for the Colts. No, it's not a bad fit. It's actually a good fit for Brady and Philip Rivers, old and athletic guys. It's a great online. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. A chant with the Spurs. 14 years in the NBA. He's one of our fine NBA analysts, one of our absolute favorite. Stephen Jackson, joining us now brought to you by Mercedes-Benz. The best or nothing, just like Stephen Jackson, the best or nothing, folks. We don't go to B-listers. So first of all, I was saying this.

Like the NBA is a star-driven league. In the NFL, the stars don't want to play in the Pro Bowl mostly. And so the symbolism is, who gives a rip, right? In the NBA, I watched Kauai early and LeBron late, and I'm like, the message is, LeBron cares and Kauai cares. So when I'm watching that game, I'm like, well, if I was a lesser All-Star and LeBron's going at it,

I'd be like Kyle Lowry's out there like it's game seven of the finals. I think it does matter when the stars care about this game, doesn't it? Yeah, and it matters. But, you know, having to win every quarter made them play like that from the beginning. And I think the new rules, how they switch the game up, help the competition of the game. Winning every quarter, I would tell them somebody earlier.

coaches that teach their teams to win every quarter to win games, they come out and play harder from the beginning of the game. If you watch it, all the coaches that coach teams and their coach winning quarters, a lot of coaches don't coach that. But the coaches that do, their teams come out and they always try to win that first quarter. I think the emphasis they put on winning quarters for the charities and stuff like that, made them play at a high level from the beginning of the game. And LeBron and Greek freak play like that from the jump.

I mean, look at it. Watch the huddles. They're like totally into it. I think that's how game should be, though. All-Star games should be like that. Well, you were not a guy that could mail it in. You didn't have really a second gear. You played harder.

You didn't play. Right. Greek freak is the same way. He has one speed. You know, nobody expected. Damian Lillard's pretty much like. Damien competes. He competes.

But Greek freak, before the game, he wasn't really into shaking hands. Before the game, you know, this is an all-star game. But if you see his dunks at the beginning the game, he would dunking those things pretty hard. Like, he was serious. And he was trying to win that game. I think that LeBronham had all the closures. All the closures on that team. So it was written for them to win.

You know, it's kind of funny. I'm watching at the end of the game and you've got A, D, and LeBron and Kauai playing together and pretty seamlessly. And this is one of the things I've been hitting on for years. Nobody wants parity if they're winning. In college football, Alabama and Clemson get all the good players. Their fans don't want parity. Kentucky basketball fans and Duke fans, they're like, yeah, we got all the five-star guys.

They don't want any parity. But in the NBA, everybody's like, the league didn't have parity. I was watching LeBron and I'm watching Kauai. I'm watching A.D. playing. I'm thinking I'd watch that. That'd be scary. That'd be arguably the greatest basketball team ever. Isn't sort of, even down to AAU, Stephen, stars align. In AAU, all the best players from Atlanta go to the same AAU team, don't they?

Any AAU team, California, they get all the best players. And this is when I was in middle school. So it's been like that. I think people that don't understand the goal of any game or any sport is to win. Whether if you're playing with great players, where if you're making a move like Katie and going to a great team, it's about winning. And that's what you work for. That's what you play for. And if you've got to get on a team with guys that's great and make an all-star team for a regular season team, then so be it.

Yeah, like Paul George is in Oklahoma City, spends a year with Westbrook. It's like, we're not a title team. Right. And so let's go win titles. When you were in the league, tell me the difference between playing in San Antonio where you felt every night you could win and the team in which you drove to the arena knowing you had no chance. chance to? Milwaukee. When I was in Milwaukee that short time, but I wouldn't say we didn't have a chance in Charlotte. I just knew we had to earn it. Like in San Antonio, it was a lot of nights where we would pull

up into the arena. We knew we was going to win. You got Tim Duncan, we got David Robinson. All we got to do is show up. And Charlotte, I knew we had to work. We had to prepare. We had to be the better team that night, and we knew we wasn't. You know what I mean? But we had to try to be that team a lot of nights. Even in Golden State, we were a small team undersized. But we had to find ways to win it. And I like being in that position. You know, I like being the underdog. And a lot of guys like that.

But at the same time, it's about winning. And anybody that's putting their stuff in a position to win, I respect it. You made news last week. You're like a journalist. I never heard that. I'm a journalist now. Now, you had a big podcast. You and Matt Barnes do a podcast.

And you have Kevin Durant on. And he respects you guys, obviously. Shout out my boy, Matt. Yeah. And you and Matt do your podcast, and Kevin Durant comes on. and he acknowledged that that Draymond Green moment where Joy and I had said on the air, there's certain lines you can cross.

And if you cross certain lines even with family members, you're out of the will. When he said that on your podcast, were you surprised he admitted it? No, I'm not. I'm not. I think everything that he went through is helping them come to grips with who he is.

You got caught with the burner. now you're comfortable with admitting that you still got it because you got caught with it. If you never want to got caught, you wouldn't be comfortable with me and you still use it. You know what I mean? I think all that was a blessing for him. Because if I was Kevin Durant,

if I was in them shoes, there's no way that I wouldn't come from my official page. Like, I'm off the cuff anyway. But he, I think everything he's been through with people belittling him and saying he shouldn't have a fake page and all. I think it's helping him come to grips with who he is. And he's able to admit those things now.

Now, I could make the, I've said before, Golden State, it's by Silicon Valley. Steve Kerr played in the league. Steph's pretty easy to play with as a star, like Duncan was. Certain stars are hard to play with. Hey, man, Clay. Yeah. I still acknowledge that, okay, Draymond says something.

It crosses the line. You can't call me a B word at no time. You, Joy, nobody in the world. I would never do that. I'm not taking it from nobody. I get it. And I would give you the same respect and not do it to you as well. I would appreciate that, but you could.

There's not much I could do about it. But could I not argue this with Kevin? Okay. There's an old saying, don't jump over a $20 bill to get to a five. Right. Okay. Draymond pissed you off. It's still a great fit for you.

You're walking away from the best superstar teammate to Kyrie Irving, who we have to acknowledge can be a little difficult at times. Steph's never shown one moment of being difficult. Right. He's flawed, not a great defender. could I make the argument devil's advocate okay draymond crossed a line don't let draymond affect your career you don't go to a lesser team that's my problem with the rant like i can be really upset with stephen jackson right but you are not going to affect my career i'm not leaving this town because you

called me a word i'm going to confront it i may hate you but i'm not leaving the spurs in duncan's prime that's where I look at Kevin and I think Kevin you're letting Draymond control you I don't like that well I was in a situation with San Antonio where after we won the championship I didn't get the contract that I knew I deserved I left and went to the Hawks do you regret it no you don't I never regretted it because I went to the Hawks was top 15 in scoring and I got my contract the next year and ended up being on a good team I would never be little my own myself for the Spurs organization. You know, I made all those shots in the playoffs.

I was the third leading score, but you want to give Genoble and another guy to money. I'm not going to take that. So with KD, he going to make the same amount of money regardless of where he goes. And when he's going to... But you just told me earlier it's about winning. You're going to win a way more there.

It is. But he can win there too because, just think, Kyrie, he had one of the biggest shots ever in the finals. He still won the top five point guards in the league. You have DJ. A solid role player, one of the most athletic bigs in the league, and you have a great group of young guys around you. In the East, they can do some damage.

He couldn't win with that team in the West. He ain't getting through Milwaukee. I don't know. Kauai's not in the East no more. No, no, no. Kaua Lent is not there no more. I just think Kevin Durant, I understand him being angry, but I hope he didn't flush some of his career down the toilet.

He got three more rings in Golden State if he wanted him. That's what we're doing. Don't need them. But you keep saying winnings everything. winning, he can, one thing about me. One thing about me, I won everywhere I've been. So it didn't matter what team. But where'd you win titles? I won one title in San Antonio.

That's what's better than everything. But I had a chance to win titles other places, too, that I went. But you didn't. We didn't. But winning, it was the attitude and the goal to win was the same place everywhere. So just because you in a certain organization or a certain team, your attitude for winning should not change. Just because I was with the Spurs and it was a winning organization, I went to go to the state. I went to Charlotte. everywhere else and I still helped them win. I got Charlotte to the playoffs for the first time in 13 years.

So the winning attitude is in you. That can't be taught. And you don't get that by going to organization. It has to be in you first. So let me what do you make a Zion? I think he's fascinating, flawed. A lot of critics out there. Stephen, you drop 30 points at 19 years

old. I don't want to hear the critics. What do you make of his game? What part of his game to you jumps out? I don't think people criticizing this game. I think it's the everything that comes with it. Like when you look at him, yeah, he's talented. He's athletic, but he's overweight still. And 82 games of, as high as he jump coming up and down, 82 games,

he's not going to make an 82 game season. I know it's low management now. Nobody plays 82 games. But every time he goes up for a dunk, everybody's don't know how he's going to land. He's a big guy. I think he still has to work on his body. I think he has to lose some weight. But as far as his talent and what he can be for this game.

How would you defend him? Make him shoot right now. Make him shoot right now. I think he's backing people down and they're letting him get to his left hand. He's a left hand shooter. Make him go right. That's one thing about San Antonio. We're taking that all the stuff you like to do away and make you add something to your game. New England Patriot football. They're not doing that in the NBA no more. They're letting guys go to their sweet spots, just take shots when they want to. You've got to make guys do things that they're not that comfortable doing. And once they get to that point, I think they'll see his game change a little. But he got to lose weight.

I think he's a great player. He's going to be a great player in this league. He got to lose weight, though. Finally, Lakers Clippers. You know, you can go either way. I like the Clippers architecture of their roster, but the Lakers have five game. What do they have like a five game lead on the Clippers? So let's just talk in terms of a seven-game series, not a singular game where the Clippers can beat them.

They play a seven-game series starting tomorrow. Who would you like and why? I like Lakers. I just never seen the dynamic of LeBron and a player like Anthony Davis. I don't see them losing in the seven-game series to nobody. LeBron is one of the smartest players. Clippers have a great defensive team. They are the better defensive team, but analytically, the Lakers are.

I don't believe in analytics. but I just think the Lakers have too much experience and LeBron's never played with a player like AD. I don't think they get to that point and not win it. Are you surprised how good they've been this early, this quickly? No, I'm not. I'm not. Good smart players play well together? Yeah, and they made it a point to get together early this summer

and jail with the team. You know what I mean? And that's big. When everybody comes in early and wants to be on the same page and build that camarader to be early and want to be a great team and pre-examination. season is showing early and regular season. They got together early. They put this together

early. This is just not a regular season thing. They've been planning this and that's why it's playing. It's working well for it. How do you build camaraderie? It can't just be go to the gym two hours. And it can't be fake either. Commertery, it doesn't build just because you're on the same team. You got to want to be friends. Like you got

to want to hang out with this guy. You got to care about the things he has going on off the court just as much as he cares about the things you have going on. And that's how it was. With us to go in the state, I think when one person said they was going out to eat. I'm going to. We all going. And that builds camaraderie. That's how the Spurs were.

Great story. No, not go. Spurs were. We build the team bond over paintball. Tim Duncan loved playing paintball, so we used to bring all the teammates out to play paintball. And I think the reason why men Tim became so cool, we were playing paintball. He used to send me out to get the flag

because I wasn't scared to get shot by the paint balls. I ain't scared of nothing but guard. And one hit me and I kind of kept running. it didn't bust. So I ran up to the top and my mask fogged up and I had to, as I already grabbed the flag, I slipped and I hit my face on the steps. Boom!

So blood is shooting everywhere. My mask lit up because it was fogged I couldn't see. So as I put my mask down to show I got the flag, everybody's shooting me because they think I'm still in the game. So what's blood just shooting everywhere? So they think it's paint. So Tim,

after we get through playing my lips swole and all he's thinking about is how I'm a tell pop that I got us out here playing paintball in training camp. So we make up a whole story. I fall or I do something and lie about it and pop fall for it. So we get to continue to play paintball. But that's how the Spurs jail in the summertime.

They play paintball. I think that's great. It's cool. I love it. Yeah. No, I think the one I said last year, LeBron's first year in Los Angeles, he never felt like part of the guys. Part of it was he didn't like the roster.

He didn't like all the young guys. Then you put Anthony Davis around him, Danny Green, around him. You got to have something in common. And they're all like his age. They've all had his life experience. Maybe they have kids. Right. It really is true.

Like last year you gave him a bunch of Lonzo balls. They're kids. Right. Nothing in common. They have nothing in common. Yep. And a lot of them don't appreciate the game the way he does too. Yeah.

Thanks for telling that story. No, no problem. You know, you're my guy. This is my favorite show. Story time with Stephen A. Jackson. Pops watching the show. Stop. Stephen A. I'm not a Stephen A.

You said Stephen A Jackson. Just call me stack. It's easier. Okay, did I call you that, really? Yeah, you can call me everybody else, dude. Good seeing you, bye. Good seeing you. Coming up next, this will be unpopular.

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Every sport has a different culture. For instance, in football, you play hurt. you play hurt. It's not a discussion. In baseball, you don't play hurt. There's another game tomorrow. It's twice as long as the NBA season. You don't risk a worse injury.

Justin Mornow, the twins years ago, got a concussion. I mean, like he was done for the year, Aaron Rogers gets a concussion. He's fighting to get back on the field the next week. It's not because Aaron's tougher than Justin. It's the reality of the culture of the sport. So Rob Manfred is the commissioner of Major League Baseball. The Astros got caught and are acknowledging they used a, you know, bang the garbage can, tweak the system to learn what pitches were coming.

Banford has not suspended Houston players. Now, the GM got fired by the owner. There is public scorn. The GM got fired. The manager, a very good manager got fired. Manfred is taking massive heat for this. he is now the world's worst commissioner. So was Roger Goodell two years ago with a cap drama.

Oh, wait. So was Adam Silver a couple of months ago with the NBA China drama. Oh, wait, so was Gary Bettman during both two or three lockouts. You notice it's hard being a commissioner. I can't imagine being Adam Silver. I have to be in business with companies and countries that don't share our government sort of sensibility and they're worth billions of dollars those contracts. That China situation was tough.

They've lost hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a global league. You're dealing with players who are coming from countries with different languages, different sensibilities, different cultures. What if you get a Russian player? Do you got to call Vladimir Putin and see if you can get it? I mean, it's hard. These are hard global jobs.

And the job of a commissioner is to take crap because the owners don't want their names in the paper. So your job as an owner is to deflect. and to take heat and Rob Manfred is earning his pay now. But let me ask you about this, because I do think the Houston Astros obviously use some sort of system. We have no idea if Jose Al Tuve had a buzzer on him. So don't pretend we know. It seems like it.

It's fishy, but there's no proof. You can't tell me there's proof. It seems really fishy that he didn't want anybody to take his shirt off. But all the snarky media stuff and player stuff, you don't know. So I'm not going to kick a guy out of a sport or suspend him. if I don't know. What I do know is the bang in the garbage can, banging this, making noise, some players knew what pitches were coming.

It's not right. This is a sport that had a steroid era. Not a steroid issue. A steroid era. Scuffed baseballs, corked bats, black sock scandal in 1919, pine tar incidents. You have a term in baseball, foreign substance. This is not golf. This is the sport where Roger Clemens and Raphael Palmero point at Congress to deny stuff we later discover is true.

If you give away the secrets, you're a rat. You're a whistleblower. There is no clean baseball. There's never been a totally clean baseball. And that's not a criticism of baseball. It's just not golf. If you move a twig in golf, VJ Singh early in his career, got caught doing something that players didn't appreciate. Within players, VJ Singh's always had a bad reputation.

He's not forthright. He's not totally honest. That'll stay with him forever. When Can Kim and Nitti, a player that I covered in San Diego, 20 years ago, came out and said there's steroids all over this sport. He was taking him. He was ripped. When Konseko, Jose Konseco came out and said,

half the sports taken steroids. He was ripped. He was crushed. But yet Clemens and Rafi were defending. lying in front of Congress. This is not a clean sport. It's a great sport. It's got great history.

The people who love it absolutely. The Dodgers should be mad. But the Dodgers in that series against Houston batted 177 at home, 120 at home with runners in scoring position. Game 7, Cody Bellinger, had an error in the first inning that set the tom. They blew that series. They couldn't hit. They couldn't hit at Dodgers Stadium.

That wasn't about the banging the garbage cans. The Dodgers blew that series. They weren't as good a team and they weren't as good a team at home. So now you're going to strip the Astros of a World Series. Rob Manfred pointed this out. If you strip the Astros and I think they cheated, I think baseball's been cheating forever. And I still love watching the World Series.

And I still love watching Yankees Red Sox. And I still go to Dodgers Stadium. But I know it's not golf. You know, it's in NASCAR. If you're not trying, if you're not cheating, you're not trying. They're constantly pushing the envelope. That's the sensibility, the culture of NASCAR. It's the sensibility of baseball.

Here's Rob Manfred. First of all, it had never happened in baseball. And I do, I'm a precedent guy. I'm not saying you always follow precedent, but I think you ought to start by looking back at the way things have been done. And you have to have a really good reason to depart. from that precedent. Once you go down that road of changing what happens on the field,

I just don't know how you decide where you stop. If you vacate the Astros title, what do you do with the steroid era? You don't think steroids won a few World Series titles? Really? You don't think so? You don't think they change the outcomes of series? Really, never?

You don't think that one closer who was an average starter named Eric Gagne and became the most unhittable closer ever wrapped up a few big playoff games here, there. And I'm not picking on him. All the big sluggers were on juice. Cattle steroids. You open up the door for this. You are open up a case of worms, not a can of worms. Yeah, I think Houston did something that got their GM and their manager fired and should have. But there's a big gap between that and vacating a title. We may learn this week the Red Sox cheated the following year in 2018, that story could come out today or tomorrow. So do we vacate that title? What are you going to do? Baseball has to own its baggage. The NFL owns its baggage. The NFL's like,

yeah, you know what? Players get some concussions here. We got to change the rules. Baseball wants it both ways. They want to call people rats and whistleblowers, but then they're outraged when somebody gets caught. The first guy that came out and acknowledged this got ripped by players. He said, yeah, those guys back there are banging on garbage cans. Nobody wanted to hear it. And now you're outraged. I'm sorry. I wrote it down this morning.

Pine tar incident. Stealing signs. Foreign substance. Steroid era. Skuff baseballs, cork bats. Seventy-five years of greenies. What, you think you're the U.S. Open? You think you're the Masters? Please. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong next. One more herd? The herd streams

24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the iHeart radio app search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like oh here we go this is the herd hour two wherever you may be and however you may be listening iHeart radios fox sports radio and fs one joy taylor's joining me we're just talking about baseball ask yourself this if you cheated on your wife as a guy doesn't she have the right to cheat on you oh my bad you're a guy yeah i mean guy is gonna do what they want dude, I'm a guy. Like, don't cheat on people and then be outraged. They cheat on you.

So all you baseball players using files, using that bull frog sunscreen with your rosin to make it, get the curveball, it's sticky. You're all cheating for years getting an edge. Now you're outraged. Somebody cheated better than you. Well, I mean, cheated better. They got caught, so. That's the problem. They got caught.

I mean, if you cheat, I don't want to hear about your victimhood about being cheated on. It's the culture of baseball. Of course. To push, push, push the envelope, just tow the line or step over the line and come back. But it's just because it's baseball. Baseball has unwritten rules and it's America's pastime and there's a way to play the game. And it's just romanticized sport so that when there's any kind of critique about, well, it's kind of every single part of baseball as long as I've been alive as some association with cheating.

Or pushing the envelope. It's cheating. Like it's either allowed or it's not allowed. Like just because you get away with it, is it not cheating? It's still cheating. It's part of the culture of baseball. That's okay. Every sport has something with it.

That's just what it is. All you fans out there outraged by the Astros. New York Yankee fans, big market fans, your teams were taking steroids for years. You didn't complain at all. It's very glasshouse. Very glass house. steroids absolutely decided

World Series Home run record have they erased all those Tui, you're a baseball guy how many records have been erased due to steroids? None. None. No, I'm not saying it's not a disaster

and an embarrassment and it was terribly wrong and it definitely helped them win. I don't even think this is a disaster for baseball. I'm going to make the argument. I can't wait to watch the Yankees play the Astros and the Dodgers play the Astros. Oh, no, it's definitely going to be heightened.

It's going to be a villain. Must watch television. For sure. We do have a villain. It's an embarrassment, though. It is. Like the elaborate nature of it, the next level that they took to make it happen. I'm not saying I'm not defending it.

I'm saying Marcus Aurelius, what is your nature? What is your nature? What are you? Baseball's an envelope push. Golf isn't. NASCAR is. But I'm telling you, though, like the romantic nature of golf, like the gentleman's game. that's how baseball fans talk about baseball.

That's how baseball purists talk about baseball. The sensibility of golf is you don't move a twig. Like, I mean, literally, golf allows a viewer to call into an event and go, I saw that guy sneeze in the 14th hole and move his ball. I know, but baseball, they romanticize it as that, even though it's not. All right. It's got us all worked up. I want to watch the Astros Yankee spring training game.

I would buy tickets to that. I want to see Jose Al-Tuve bat against the, Yankee pitcher. That's what I want to watch. Here we go. Colin right, Colin wrong. Where Colin was right? Well, I've said this for years. The NBA comes up with a good idea. Baseball makes the most money on it, and the NFL generally gets it right. The NBA tweaked its All-Star rules. This is what they do. They tried a new ball. It failed. They had a dress code. People didn't like it, but the NBA's never been afraid just to go out there and throw something against the wall, and they're not afraid to admit that didn't work. We're going to stop doing it.

and they tweak the All-Star rules and it made for a better game. Team Yonis wouldn't sublate. Kyle Lowry's taking charges. Guys are yelling at each other. LeBron was playing real defense. The NBA, I saw more people on Twitter this morning saying, hey, Pro Bowl, call the NBA and figure out how to make your game better.

This is what the NBA does really well. They roll the dice. They take chances. That new ball was a disaster. Remember when they came out with the sleeves? for a couple years. That was dumb. But it's okay. The leak survived. It's okay. You can take chances. I like it.

Where Colin was wrong. I'm not a dunk contest guy, but I got to admit, Derek Jones and Aaron Gordon was fun. The quality of athleticism today, all through basketball, starting at about 13 years old is amazing. You know, we had a guy jumping over an 8-foot man. I'm generally, I think these are kind of cheesy, by the way. I went to one a few years ago at the Staples Center.

They were jumping over Kia's and... I mean, it was all sorts of nonsense. But I thought this weekend it was a spectacle. And what Saturday night is is a spectacle and a showcase for what the NBA believes are the world's greatest athletes. And Aaron Gordon and Derek Jones can dunk. I mean, I think that's been established. They're pretty unique. Where Colin was right?

What a shocker, Russell Westbrook, of all the guys in the All-Star game that shot more than once had the worst percentage. Two for 10, O for four on threes. Colin, you're such a jerk with Russell Westbrook. No, I'm not. I'm just saying he can't shoot. It's a shooter's league. Nobody's denying Russell's an amazing talent. Nobody's denying he's worth buying a ticket for. But Houston is worse with him this year. And O KC with Chris Paul, not nearly as athletic, has not missed a beat. And I could argue Chris Paul. I mean, it's been the story of the year in the NBA for a team that's not great is Oklahoma City without Westbrook. Where Colin was wrong. And this is where I got to give Chris Paul credit. I thought his career was over. I loved him coming out of Wake Forest, and I loved his first six or seven years in the NBA.

Then he got prickly. He was hard to deal with. He was hard to coach, and he got hurt a lot, and I said it's over. Chris Paul has missed only one game. He made an All-Star game. Last night, he had an All-Upe dunk. Didn't know that was in him. He had the best plus minus on the night.

I loved Chris Paul coming out, but I said a couple years ago, he's difficult, he's hurt. He doesn't appear to get along with coach. and players. Chris Paul, if the NBA had a comeback player of the year, he would win it. He has had a spectacular and, in my opinion, shocking season. Good for him. Where Colin was right? Zion Williamson, a lot of critics. Can't shoot a jumper. He's fat. I don't know. Best 10 games start in NBA history. Don't outthink the room with talent. if you see somebody that has otherworldly talent or a body size or energy like he does, all I need to see after that is self-awareness and I know you're going to be a star.

He literally gets me to a television set at night. Zion Williams gets me to a TV set. There's a lot of good players in this league and there's good teams I don't care about. Zion gets me to a TV set. Too many people outthought the room. He can't shoot a jumper. who in God's name shoots a great jumper at 19 years old, you know, a year out of high school. Ray Allen didn't shoot threes like that until he was in the league for five or six years.

I think the critics have gotten very quiet. He has the second most points per minute for any NBA rookie ever after only Wilk Chamberlain. We loved him at Duke. We said he'd be a star. We said he'd be a star by the end of his first year and he's delivered. where Colin was wrong. Raiders are going to offer Tom Brady two years and 60 million, according to a report.

I don't get John Gruden's utter dissatisfaction with Derek Carr. So Derek Carr completed 70% of his throws, and he had over 100 passer rating. This is with a rebuilding franchise. I don't get it. I think Derek Carr is probably the 12th best quarterback in the league. Where are you going to get better? This is a rebuilding roster, and they went to London and beat the Bears,

and outside of Kansas City and Mahomes are very competitive. He had a career high in yards and passer attempts. Yards per attempt. Derek Carr had a very good year. Derek Carr is a upper third quarterback. He reminds me a Tony Romo. He's athletic. He moves around.

He's got a nice arm. People say he's not tough. Folks, when you play in a bad team for years and get beat up, and when you had a big injury like he did, you're a little gun-shy. Tom Brady off his injury was gun-shy for about a year and a half. Derek Carr's a top 12 quarterback in the league. He can make all the throws. He's athletic, 70% completion rate, had career highs, pass-er rating over 100.

I don't get it. You can get to the AFC championship with Derek Carr. I absolutely believe that. You can get to a conference championship. championship with Derek Carr. I had no doubt in my mind if you could get a defense in Las Vegas slash Oakland that could stop anybody. Where Colin was right? Well, last week, the Chargers made it official. We're done with Philip Rivers. We said this about week five or six of the NFL season. It's over. There's, you can have flaws as a quarterback. You can't be these three things.

Old, unathletic and mistake prone. Now, Brady's old and he's pretty unathletic, but he doesn't make a bunch of mistakes. Drew Breeze is old. no longer world-class athletic. He doesn't throw a lot of picks. You can be young James Winston, and athletic can throw picks, and people will keep you around. But the chargers need new energy, they need new juice, and frankly, they got to sell tickets,

and there's a fatigue to Philip River style, which is, you know, you'll win eight or nine games, but he'll throw huge picks in crisis. It was time. We thought it was time, and they officially moved on. Where Colin was wrong. He was a number two pick a couple years ago, out of Duke Marvin Begley, and I loved him.

I was wrong on that. Guys drafted below him are better, including Luca, who was the number three pick. Sacramento Kings only started 10 games there. Only 75 games he's actually played in. He's not a bust. He can play and he's got some athletic ability. He's long and athletic and runs the court well.

But in 2020, it'd be nice to occasionally hit a long jumper. He can't. The more I look at Marvin Begley, the more I whiffed on that one. Where Colin was right? The Cleveland Cavaliers are a mess if LeBron James is not part of the franchise. They are reportedly, as Joy reported, John Bealon's going to get fired, little more than halfway through his first season. He was the coach at Michigan.

He was a very good college coach. We said when he got hired, this is weird for a man of his age to be shifting into a completely different sort of ecosystem of basketball. Like he's a great college coach. He's a perfect fit for college basketball. He was getting to lead eight and final fours and winning the big ten. He's a perfect college basketball coach. Weird fit, weird hire.

We didn't get it. I mean, let's be honest about this franchise. Take out LeBron James last 20 years. The minute he leaves, it's a tire fire. Poorly run and in my opinion, poorly owned. Where Colin was right? I defended Brad Stevens last year in Jason Tatum. I said they're not the problem.

They were great the year before. Kyrie Irving arrived. They're no longer great. Have you seen what's happened? Jason Tatum now without Kyrie Irving is a legitimate All-Star. He can carry this franchise. He has still got 10 great years, prime years ahead of him, and Brad Stevens now has this team as a number three seat.

By the way, Brooklyn with Kyrie Irving has a losing record when he plays 8 and 12. They have a winning record when Kyrie Irving is out. Kyrie Irving was the problem. I'm not disputing his talent. I'm not disputing his ability to close. But last year, the narrative was suddenly Brad Stevens can't deal with stars. Well, he's got four guys on this team now that can get you 20 a night. Gordon Hayward, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, Campbell Walker.

They all, in the NBA, if you can drop 20, Jason Tatum's an all-star. He gets along with that star. And Jason Tatum's got a really great 10 years ahead of him. He gets along with him, fine. Campbell Walker seems to like him. He's been an all-star. Gordon Hayward is a good player. Jalen Brown's average in 20 a night.

These are star players in the NBA, and he gets along with all of them. He didn't get along with Kyrie Irving, and now in Brooklyn, nobody else seems to. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong on a Monday. Can't believe how much baseball we're talking about. You'd think all you fans out there that rip on these commissioners,

think it's an easy job? Well, I mean, no, but they're commissioners, so they're kind of a target. that comes with the... But let's not pretend this is easy. I mean, in the last two years, we've had, you hated Adam Silver two months ago. Oh, I didn't know what he's doing with China. Listen, they made like $400,000, $500,000 a year, a billion dollars a year with China.

They were in business with China. China's got a different form of government. It's not easy. Well, I mean, they make the big bucks because they have to make those hard decisions. And, you know, the criticism and praise comes with that. But I wouldn't want to be in the situation to have to decide. whether to vacate a World Series title or not. But I would not.

I would not vacate a World Series title. I would not. Now, do I think he could come in and put Jose Al Tuve on the shelf for two weeks? I'd be okay with that. I'm not saying you can't find or suspend a player. But the GM and the manager got fired. You can suspend a player. I'm okay with that.

Yeah, I would be fine with this whole vacating title stuff. No, can't do it. Yankees, slow down a little. Look at your own history. You can't do it. It's a... Goulese's a... over there yet. By the way, I got an astro fan

and a Yankee fan. Greg Tui's loved my last 10 minutes. A gulet's beside him. The worst thing we've ever done. Do some more. Let's keep going. All right. Coming up next, Rich Ornberger, the former Patriot offensive lineman. Let's go inside on this Tom Brady thing because the story is now. Folks, we're getting

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the greatest day in racing continues later this afternoon. Don't miss the conclusion of the Daytona 500 today at 4 Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Yeah. It's like politicians this baseball. thing. When politicians are outraged by something, then you find out in their private life they're doing something. You know, they vote no in the

legalization of marijuana and you find out they smoke a dube every other Friday night with their wife. You know, it's like, don't be, all you baseball people, but got cheating for 25 years taking cattle steroids, and now you're outraged at the Astros. Like the Astros GM got fired, legacy's altered forever. The manager got fired.

Legacy's altered forever. They lost million dollars jobs. They'll probably never get those kind of jobs again. You don't think they severed a consequence? Of course they did. Rich Orrumburgers joining us, the former Patriot NFL offensive lineman, six years in the NFL. You know all about this stuff, about the purity of sports. Oh, yeah. Everybody gets hung up on this, and I think Major League Baseball actually does themselves a little,

they go a little foul on all this because the issue isn't that players are cheating. Because guess what? Players are cheating in every single sport. Everybody's trying to get an edge. Sometimes unfair advantages are had. and it is up to the commissioning body to, you know, jurisdict all of this. And, you know, the fact that baseball needs to be so pure about, you know,

the history books, that's so important. That always comes up. How about we just talk about the legacies of those who cheated and then move on from this era as opposed to getting stuck? I feel like wheels are spinning on all of this. Find the guilty parties, punish them, move on, just like any other sport. Yeah, I'm not a big believer in vacating titles. In college, we have a precedent.

You cheat, you get your title vacated. In the pros, we don't do that. Rich Orrumburger joining us. All right, Tom Brady to the Raiders, bought a house there are recording to reports. What say you? All right. So as far as real estate speculation and things like that, you know, Wall Street guys are going to buy properties in Brooklyn or in Connecticut because the epicenter is Manhattan.

And they are aware that if you buy low in some of these tangent neighborhoods, you're going to make good on an investment in 10 years because more and more people populate the areas where there's work. Well, guess what? You're going to have a stadium built in the desert and it's going to bring work and real estate values. So I don't look at anybody buying a house or real estate in or around the L.A. Inglewood area or the Vegas area as a red herring or, you know, as the reason why they're going to be. No, this is a sportsman. He understands the impact of a stadium built. He experienced this during his time with the Patriots.

Foxborough Stadium, they built right next door, Gillette Stadium, and knocked down Foxborough Stadium. What was the tangent effect? Real estate value went up. He understands that. So I think if the store is true, if he purchased a house in Las Vegas, it doesn't mean he's going to be a raider necessarily. It could just be an investment strategy. I said there's allergy season, flu season, award season in Hollywood, and leak season for the next eight weeks. The NFL people leak stories they want out. So there's a story today, leak. out of Miami. This is not a shot at a veteran NFL reporter for the Miami Herald. It's not. I'm saying somebody gives you information. You print it. I get it. I'm trying to add context,

which is the story today is dolphins. Yeah, they're hot and cold on Tua. They want Justin Herbert. Yeah, I don't know if I believe that. Right. Well, I will say this, though. I believe that they wanted this story out, Miami, the dolphins. That's right. And the reason is because if all of a sudden, throughout an entire offseason, you realize you're in the front office that you've been attached to two Tung of Vaila and the press. And some of the trade deals coming your way in conversations with other GMs are coming in cold on Tua. Well, attach your draft slot to a different player

and maybe you'll spur new trade talks. Now maybe some other deals will come to the table. You're kind of stuck in this Tua lane and you want to reinvigorate trade talks. Well, start putting out, hey, we like Herbert too and see if there's a team who has, Herbert at the top of their board and interested in talking to you about moving up to your slot. Yeah.

You know, there was a story this morning that there's two teams in the NFL I could argue could tank to get Trevor Lawrence next year. Okay. Most teams can't. You say what? Detroit. No, because Matt Patricia would get fired. Correct. If you look at the teams that could tank and nobody gets fired, New England, Brady leaves them.

And they're like, okay, we're going to tank. They've built up so much equity. The GM and the coach is Bill Belichick. They could just go one in 15, get Trevor Lawrence. Carolina. Yeah. If they decide, all right, Greg Olson left. Luke Keekley retired.

Coach has a seven-year deal. Trevor Lawrence plays around the corner. There's a story out this morning that Carolina and a tank, you move off, you move off Cam Rich. you got Luke retires, Greg Olson gone, Cam Dunn, and anytime Christian McCaffrey sneezes, you put him on the IR, they could tank and get away with it. Yeah, I would have thrown the Raiders on that as well

if it weren't for the new stadium. Because Gruden has so much time on that contract. That's so much money owed. If he put his foot down and said, we're tanking for Trevor Lawrence, he could probably get that done as well. But yeah, I'm with you. I think Carolina actually, also, if you think about Trevor Lawrence, what he showed us, especially in the college football playoffs,

is that skill set actually matches Cam Newton's skill set mighty fine. You know, the idea of him being a mobile quarterback. You can draw up plays designed for it to be a QB power or QB draw, where he's taking the ball in his hands. And you could stay in that creative lane that you've created for Cam over these years in Carolina. So it works. Yeah, I mean, and then again, also the same way the dolphins hired Brian Flores with Matt Rule and Carolina,

you have nothing but time to get this right. And Dave Tepper, the new owner with the Panthers, seems motivated to put his stamp on things now. And his stamp's not Cam. No, it is not. It is not. The one thing you have to be careful with is Christian McCaffrey. You have to spin this the right way to Christian McCaffrey.

There needs to be appropriate messaging. You need to take care of him. He's a stud in your backfield. You want him there through the rebuild. You don't want him requesting his trust. You need them really because it would help a young quarterback having a dynamo as a running back behind him. Let me ask you about Philip Rivers to the Colts. So you know Philip.

You're down in San Diego. You know him well. There's a story today that the Colts would be an interesting landing spot. There are some connectivity situations here. Like it does sound like as long as Philip's not trying to break the bank, it could be worried up. It's my favorite landing spot for him. There's no question in my mind it would work. I'm talking about him jumping into an offensive system, knowing the language. Look, there's going to be no Rosetta Stone here. There's going to be no catch up here for Philip Rivers because Nick Seriani

was his quarterback coach then turned, he was an offensive system assistant turned quarterback coach with the Chargers. Frank Reich went from being his quarterback coach to his offensive coordinator with the Chargers and they're both involved on the coaching staff in Indianapolis. Reich being the head coach and now Siriani being the offensive coordinator. You have two guys who speak the same language. You have him who still has the armed talent and the ability to play in this league at least for another season and a team that's ready made to do some things offensively. That's a great offensive line and you were just wasting time now in the post-Andrew luck era.

So it's time to make a move at quarterback if you want to win now. By the way, Brady and New England have not talked yet. Do you think it's strange? I do think it's strange. There was a real strain, real strain between Brady and Belichick. I heard from a lot of players who were there. And you were there for years. I was there for years.

Now, during my time there, it wasn't apparent. After I had left, that's when the stories started coming out, you know, the strife between and Belichick and Alex Guerrero, the guru that was helping Brady extend his career and the TB12 method, that was all starting to come together behind the scenes prior to it going public. And there's real issues between these two men and they're great football men, but there are issues. So it's not a good sign that they haven't spoken yet. I read a story this morning that said the Patriots essentially have to thread the needle in March 16. but if by March 3rd, if you don't hear anything, Don Ye, the agent for Tom and Belichick have not connected,

it ups the 50-50 Tom's leaving. Like they have to, because these contracts don't get worked out in an afternoon. No, no, they don't. And I think they'd have to either make a compelling offer or something away from money, you know, some sort of control factor here. I don't know. I don't know if you can resolve. all the issues that Tom has with the Patriots organizationally.

But that would be the goal. And if you can hammer that out in a contract, well, then great. Get that done as soon as possible. But if this is a bridge too far already, maybe they're happy with Stidim. Maybe they need to make a move in free agency. I think the next couple of weeks are going to be very telling. Rich Ornberger, former Patriot NFL or catch him on Sunday. Fox Sports Radio 1 to 5 with a talented Steve Hartman.

Good seeing you, bud. Yeah, good seeing you too. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So the new format of the All-Star game featured a revamped fourth quarter where teams play to a final target score without a clock. The number was determined by taking the leading team's total score through three quarters

and adding 24 points in honor of Kobe Bryant. It was 133, 124 in favor of Team Janus at the start of the fourth. And both teams were fighting to the very ends. team LeBron reached the winning score of 157 first on a game-winning free throw by Anthony Davis. But this was absolutely must-watch television. Look at them. This is like a playoff game. It was really bizarre, actually, because it had playoff intensity, but it's an all-star game.

And you're, you know, through the first couple quarters, like it was a little bit of the, you know, full court passes. Yeah. It was. You're putting on a little bit of a show. It was. But I don't think I've ever seen. anything like that in an All-Star game before. And the intensity

of the crowd, too, because they were playing for each quarter was for charity. So they had these huge groups of kids there that are going to benefit from Team Yonis or Team LeBron winning and they're going to get more money for their charity. And everyone in the building is into it. I mean, I'm just sitting on my couch, like,

I can't even believe what I'm watching. It was literally what we all imagine an All-Star game should be, like the greatest in the sport, really competing. And even the benches, like, they weren't subbing at the end? No, Janus wouldn't sub. No one was sitting down. Everyone was so into it. I love

the changes. It's great. I thought it was a real good and I always feel the end of an NBA season. Teams, you kind of stuck with your coach and your roster, so teams, you know, you can't be a victim. Like this is your teammate, these are your guys, play hard throughout. But I thought it was a great symbolic gesture

to start the second half, a short second half of the season into the playoffs. It was really great. Kauai Leonard won the Kobe Bryant All-Star MVP Award, the newly named MVP Award had a game high 30.7 rebounds for assists and was 8 for 14 on 3 point shots. Yes, it was a really

really fun watch. So the format changed to the All-Star game was obviously actually successful and entertaining and Rudy Goberra was asked about the potential of adding a new contest to the All-Star weekend, a one-on-one contest, and he thinks it would be a good move. He said, I think it's something the league can look into. The fans would definitely love that.

It all depends on how committed the players would be. Not everyone wants to commit to that when this is the only weekend when we can really enjoy ourselves in the season. One-on-one basketball is pretty physical. If I'm healthy, then definitely I'd play anyone and I'll have fun playing against anyone. Ask yourself this.

Isn't this the most obvious thing in sports we don't have? It is, but I do understand why it would be something that players would resist for multiple reasons. One, if you lose, it's going to be something that players and fans don't ever let you live down. Michael Jordan's 8.

agent, David Falk, Nike said, Magic against Michael, a million dollars to the winner one-on-one. And David Falk, Michael's agent, said, absolutely, went to Michael. And Michael said, absolutely not. He said, I know I could beat Magic, but if I lost, he's known as the team guy, magic. I'm known as the individual guy. If he beats me in one-on-one, then he's the team guy and the best. one-on-one? And Michael Jordan said, I will not do it. True story. Yeah, and also if he beats

Magic, then, you know, fans of Magic are going to be mad at Michael. Like, everyone loses in that situation. There's a lot of egos involved in this stuff. But a All-Star Weekend tournament, one-on-one tournament is a little bit different because not everyone is going to want that smoke, first of all. And there's repercussions to losing, like I said. So it's very interesting. I do think it's something that we should look into, but they'd have to really gave it. the interests of the players, but it would be absolutely must watch. Finally, we've talked about this a lot today.

The dolphins have the fifth pick in the draft and are expected to select their next quarterback. Tua seem to be the top target for the team, tank for Tua. But the Miami Herald is reporting the dolphins are still looking at every option at the position and have an increasingly positive view of the Oregon quarterback,

Justin Herbert. Now, I'm with you. This feels like a leak story. But there's a lot of different reasons why the dolphins would want this out there. Maybe they don't want teams to move up aggressively for Tua because they feel like he might still be there. They don't have to make big trades. But I think the biggest thing is what you said earlier,

which is if you don't get Tua, the draft looks like a failure. If the dolphins don't move up and someone moves up aggressively ahead of them and makes a trade and gets Tua, then you didn't get your guy, which the dolphins cannot afford at this point. Here's what I don't understand about the critics, though, of Justin Herbert. What don't you like? I think people feel like he wasn't really consistent throughout the season.

They didn't like what they saw throughout the season. To me, I like to judge players towards the end of the season and what do you do in the biggest moments. I liked what I saw from him in the bowl game. He was the best player at the senior bowl. He was unbelievable in the Rose Bowl. He is smart, big, mobile,

athletic, big arm, and Oregon doesn't have NFL wide receivers. Right. So all these other quarterbacks you guys all love, two is thrown to three NFL wide receiver. Joe Burroughs. That's the biggest criticism of Joe Burrow. I'm like, Tua's not throwing to random guys either. Like, they're NFL level talent as well. This kid and the Utah State kid are not throwing to NFL players.

And it's like, I'm watching, I watch Justin Herbert play six times this year. If you don't get, I don't know what there is not to get with him. Well, look, it's a very difficult position, position to evaluate as we know. If he turns out to be a bust, which I don't think that he will, but if he did turn out, like, who knows, we don't, we go through this all the time. Guys, flip to the third or fourth round and then end up being superstars. It's a very, very difficult position to evaluate. Tom Brady went in the sixth round. Let me taste some most notorious example.

If he drops to like the seventh pick and ends up with a Carolina or Chargers, Justin Herbert's going to win immediately in the NFL. Yeah, I don't think he's going to drop that far. But I'm comfortable with either Tua or Herbert, either one that dolphins get, but they must get a quarterback. Like that's without question. All right. Joy Taylor with the news. Good stuff. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

line news. There's one source on Tom Brady, I trust. Albert Breerhill, join us around the corner as well. Don't go anywhere. Rick Buecker last hour talking some NBA. Joy and I have talked baseball today. We don't think the Astros are on the up and up. I'm not saying that, but you want Rob Manfred to vacate the title. What do you do with the steroid era? You've never addressed all the steroid home run records in baseball. Not one. Now you want to take titles away? You don't think titles were. You Yankee fans, I'd slow down. on all the lecturing to the Houston Astros, you Goulet. You guys had, it's funny. Your guys shrunk after they left the sport.

Yeah, it was only the Yankees that took steroids. Every other team was playing. I'm not saying that, but it's like the hypocrisy in this sport is real. Like Houston, nobody, hey, GM fired, manager fired, got caught. They're going to get ripped, thrown at. Legacy's ruined, fined, lost draft picks. The Houston's not, they're not getting off Scott Free here. That GM and that manager will never get their jobs.

back draft picks, taking away title? That's what they do in college. And even in college, I don't like it. Albert Breer next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night,

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Coutura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back. You got free age. seeing the NFL's around the corner. By the way, I watched the XFL again this weekend. I'm telling you, Seattle had like 30,000 fans at the game. Attendance was up like 15% this weekend. Looks pretty good. Albert Brear joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network,

lead guy, Monday morning quarterback. All right, I got to ask you about Brady. There's a story about the Raiders. He bought a house. I don't buy it. I hear this all the time about somebody, you know, Nick Saban bought a house in Austin. He's going to coach the Longhorns.

I don't buy it. Do you buy that story? No, I mean, I think Brady's real estate interests have gone back all the way to the time he was a younger player. And, you know, he's looked in the New York, New Jersey area for the last, you know, few months. And the reason why is the same reason any of us would. He doesn't know where he's going to be working for the next five, for the next two or three years. But he does know where his family's going to be for the next 20. They're going to be rooted there.

And so if you were in that situation, Colin, I think you'd probably decide, okay, I'm just going to move. my family where they're going to be for the next 20 years. That's what he's doing now. I still think Brady doesn't know what he's doing. He's still waiting to hear from the Patriots and what they're going to do. I still think there's a good chance he's back in New England. But I do think he wants to listen to other teams as well. And so teams like the Chargers, the Raiders, the Titans, I think he'd be more than open to hearing a pitch for many of them. Do you buy the Phillip Rivers to the Colts story that surfaced today? I do believe that Philip Rivers has an interest in the Colts. I mean, that's because he's got a close relationship with Frank Reich and Nick Siriani. When Mike McCoy was the head

coach there, they were sort of part of this brain trust that was assembled around Phillip Rivers. Both Reich and Siriani got very, very close to Rivers. Rivers loves those guys. That's a team that's got a great offensive line. There's a lot of young talent on that roster. In general, they've got a ton of cab space. And so I think that situation appeals to Philip Rivers, the question is whether or not Rivers is going to appeal to the Colts. Okay. The two-a-story leaks in Miami, Dolphins. could be interested in Justin Herbert. That feels like a leak by the dolphins, nothing against the reporter,

to protect the dolphins if they don't get Tua and their fan base doesn't turn on them. That's what it feels like to me. What say you? Well, I mean, I think if you read what Armando wrote, like there is a lot of the real concern there. And, I mean, look, Colin, like, he's been injured three times, right, in college,

two ankle surgeries and the hip surgery now. And if you want to look, like, over the last decade or so, almost uniformly, guys who have serious injury history in college at that position who go in the first round get hurt again. Sam Bradford in 2010, Jake Locker in 2011, Robert Griffin in 2012, Marcus Marriota in 2015, Carson Wentz in 2016, Deshaun Watson, 2017. All had serious injuries in college, all got hurt again in the NFL. So that's real. I think the rest of it is sort of, you know, when you look at those two guys versus each other, take Joe Burrow out of it, sort of a test in what you like in quarterbacks, right? Because I'm to his side. You've got accuracy.

You've got feel. You've got production. But you don't have typical size or arm strength. With Herbert, it's just the opposite. It's all potential. It's all size. It's arm strength. It's athleticism. But you don't have quite the production. And so different teams are going to like each guy. And I also think, you know, you look at Tua's injury situation. And certainly it's going to concern some teams. By the way, you talked to Nick Sabin recently. Did you not about Tua? What did he say? He loves Tua. And you know, what was interesting about it was we went through the injury thing, and he didn't want to get into the specifics of Tua's injury and what he's going through medically.

But, you know, what he did say is players that he's been around that have typically been able to overcome serious injuries like this one, they're very, very positive. And so, you know, on almost a daily basis after Tua got hurt in November, he was giving Tua a call to try to lift his spirits. And what Nick said to me was when I tried to lift his spirits, he wound up lifting Mucing. mind because he was so positive about the whole thing. And so I think he's a great kid. He's got a positive outlook on that. He's checked all the boxes. He's needed to check thus far. I don't think anybody can know at this point how that's going to affect him as a pro. Big week for him next week at the combine, obviously when all the team doctors get a look at him.

But Nick Saban absolutely loves the kid. And for a guy who won four national titles in Alabama and five national titles overall before Tua got on campus, he called the guy a program changer. Think about that column. He goes into Alabama, which had won four national titles. titles under Nick Saban, and he changed the program. There's real impact there. Yeah. Hey, finally, when do you think the Brady, New England, are you concerned at all? They haven't talked yet, according to a story I saw today? I'm not concerned about that, Colin. If you look, two of his extensions that were done this decade, were done right at the combine. Robert Kraft got involved, and they were taking care of fairly

quickly. So if we get beyond the combine, which is next week, and they still haven't talked, then I think you've got a little bit of an issue. But this is when they're normally doing. They're sort of free drive planning. They're free free agency planning. And so my expectation would be that the lines of communication would open back up at some point next week. And I would think that the owner is going to be involved at some level. Good stuff.

Albert Breer Monday morning quarterback. Thank you so much for joining us. Albert, appreciate it. Awesome. Thanks, Colin. And by the way, we also noticed somebody was mowing the lawn right behind Albert Breer. He can't be in Boston. It's just too cold.

There's snow in the ground. You can't do that. Yeah, and there was sun, actually. It couldn't be Boston. Do you own or rent a home? Of course you do. Geico makes it easy to bundle your home and auto insurance. Good thing too, because having home is hard work.

Go to Geico.com. So we head to the final hour. Rick Buecker will stop by. It's really, you know, and sports is funny. So we all know, Joy and I, from about August 1st to February 15th, it's just NFL season. College football and NFL. And I don't pay a ton of attention. I mean, I'll watch highlights.

I'm in Los Angeles. I'll turn a Laker Clipper game on, maybe go to one of the games of each team. But this is a time that I look at the NBA, past the All-Star break, past the trading deadline. I mean, historically, LeBron's worst month in his career has been January. It's right before the trading deadline. It's right before the All-Star game. And there's this malaise where LeBron is sort of not into it. I thought yesterday the All-Star game was a great look for the league.

And I also think going forward, I really do think there's two teams that can win the championship. I think the Lakers can win it. and I think the Clippers can win it. I think Milwaukee can get there, but I've got five, you know, MVP's rings, trophies between Kauai and LeBron James. You know, Yonis has two playoff series wins.

You know, I'll take Kauai, I'll take LeBron, I'll take Anthony Davis. Those are the guys I'm going to take, specifically LeBron and Kauai. That's not a shot at Milwaukee. But it comes down to, you know, Chris Middleton. Do you think Chris Middleton, Because if I got LeBron and Anthony Davis and we know the NBA playoffs are about stars,

and then the other guys have Kauai Leonard, Lou Williams, and Paul George, and you have Yonis who's great and Chris Middleton, who do you trust? So I'm not into the parody thing like everybody else. I think there's two teams that should be favored when the championship. I think Milwaukee is going to get there, but then be stoned by two teams that have, you know, more stars. Our three, Rick Buecker will talk about the second half of the NBA season, about 28 games left.

One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. We were just talking about the hypocrisy of cheating. Houston Astros lost four top draft picks. And like in the NFL, if I told you tomorrow, the L.A. Rams have lost their first and second pick this year

and their first and second pick next year. You'd be like, holy hell, that's punitive. That's what the Astros lost. Everybody's like, oh, there's no punishment. They just lost four major leaguers. Because in baseball, first and second round were all your major leaguers, are your top players, your Mike Trout, your Bryce Harper's generally go there. They lost them all.

They got punished. By the way, I've said before, I will take in my life, I'll tell you right now, as Rick Buecker joins us, senior writer Bleacher Report FS1, I will take HGH to extend my career at some point. Now, I'll figure out a legal or illegal way to take it. You're announcing that on this show right now. You will be doing that in order to extend your career. It's not going to make me better than I'm.

I was in my prime, virtually impossible. But it will extend my ability to do this into my 70s because I don't want to sit home and hit golf balls. So I will find a means Goulai just said in my ear, it's not illegal. So I will find a way to do Yeah, sports have rules.

Sports radio guys can do anything. Very true. And have. As has been documented. Yes. So you were in Chicago with the All-Star weekend. Yes. Now, you've been covering this thing for two decades. It is big now. Yes.

It doesn't feel like 15 years ago. It's monstrous. It's become a corporate bonanza. And it really feels disconnected or it has felt disconnected from the league and the game. Once upon a time, it really was a mid-season break where the NBA family got together. Peeps, basketball peeps. Basketball peeps. And you went to parties and you weren't, you know, you had inviastasyons.

and you went to see various people and you had conversations and it was fun and it was cool and it was relaxed and And and then it just became it's a little bit like the MIT Sloan conference the the analytic conference when it first started That was it was fun it was people getting in a room and sharing like how they're trying to figure out finding edges and then it became a job fair and This has become like a corporate To be seen to sell your your your gear your merchandise and this year changed. And this year changed This year was different because of Kobe. Kobe and mourning his loss and everybody coming to grips with that and everybody's sharing that sorrow made it feel like a family again.

Basketball and family. It was a unifying element that everybody could relate to. And it kind of just took that corporate temperature down a couple degrees and made everybody come back to this is what we really love about the game. Even something quite honestly that had been. lost over the course of this season. It's become all about load management and analytics and shooting

threes and these despair and superstars changing teams and who's controlling the league and this became old-fashioned. Let's see who's the best on the court. And let's win not because of the dividends that it's going to deliver

but because we want to prove that we're the best player in the game right now. I was saying earlier that LeBron, Michael Jordan had immense impact in titles, fans, and media and advertisers, Gatorade McDonald's. I always felt LeBron's influence is really, clearly some ratings influence, but amongst players. If he has a political agenda that he cares about, they do. He cared about the schedule, lightning up. Players did, the commissioner did. He takes this All-Star game seriously.

The players do. What LeBron cares about influences the players. He told like Steph and KD, you need to own your platform. forms. Stop sharing this stuff. This is your name. I think LeBron's influence this weekend, I just sense when LeBron cares about something. And he is yelling at guys in the huddle, it's LeBron. It's the global face of basketball for about a decade. Some of this is LeBron cares. I think LeBron last year heard the criticism that he was a little businessy, he was a little distracted. It was a little bit about he didn't connect with a lot of young

teammates totally get that, didn't connect. LeBron this year, before camp, Rick, was all in on basketball, was all in on his teammates. It feels different this year for LeBron. It does. Well, certainly he has something to prove. He's come back in phenomenal

shape. He's playing at an amazing level at his age. But it's so much of what LeBron has led players to has been about autonomy and things off the court. Yes. The independence

of going and playing where you want to play and dictating who the coach is going to be. And all these things. On your terms. Yes. That really, that are, I champion, and I think a lot of younger fans, sports fans,

champion, but old school traditional fans find that very offensive. It's believe in the team, believe in the organization, and they want the players to be as loyal to the organization as they are. Okay, but this is where fans can be hip.

And I'm an older guy, right? First of all, the idea that you can't control the players. You don't think the Celtics listen to Brad Stevens? You don't think Utah listens to Quinn Snyder. This idea that guys are all out there playing the YMCA behind the... Sure. No, they're not. LeBron.

Listen, we all know that a college coach barks virtually every time down the floor. Yes. But when I watch the Lakers and the Clippers, Doc Rivers is coaching and the players are responding. A lot of this old school stuff, for whatever reasons,

this idea that current NBA players are not willing to be coached, they're not willing to be coached poorly. Yes, 100%. That is the distinction. Miami is totally all in on Spolstra this year. This has always been the defining element and players are hyper aware

is it doesn't matter whether you played in the league or not. It doesn't matter whether you're college or pro. It doesn't matter. Can you make that player better? Can you make him better on the floor? And can you get him someplace that he can't go? And that's why having won a championship is so vital because it takes a certain amount of trust over the course of a year

for a player to believe that when this coach says, If you do this, I can get you the promised land. Well, if you've done it, you have a little leash. If you don't, that player is measuring every single thing that you do. And the second you do something where he goes, bra, I've been in this league 10 years. I know that doesn't work. You've lost them. Now, they'll still go along with it, but you've lost that one, two, three percent belief,

commitment to what you want to do that is the difference between winning and losing. And that's just the reality because in so many situations, you have coaches coming in running teams that don't know the NBA game as well as the guys that they're coaching. Yeah, listen, I got nothing against Doug Collins. I think his son at Northwestern is doing a great job. Michael didn't like to be coached by Doug Collins. Michael wanted to be coached by somebody else. Somebody else was Phil Jackson. They won a bunch of titles with him.

So Magic Johnson didn't want to be coached by Mr. Westhead. Paul West had it at one time. They had a problem. He wanted to be coached by somebody else. that somebody else was Pat Riley, they've got a bunch of titles. The high-end players in this league, generally, LeBron's instincts on basketball are unbelievable.

Mike, so, and he's not, he's imperfect, but the reality is, and I'm the same way, so I can't be a hypocrite in this. I'm willing to be managed. I'm not willing at this point in my career to be managed poorly. Right, right. I know broadcasting. LeBron knows basketball.

I love my, when my managers I respect say, tweak, tweak, tweak. But by and large, when coaches have been talking, on coaches. It's been the wrong coach. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing is one of the problems, though, is you're talking about LeBron, who has, again, he has the cachet. He has the

experience. LeBron says this is what I need to go win a championship. I'm listening to LeBron. I'm going to do what David Griffin did. I'll hawk my franchise in order to get what he needs because he knows what he needs. There are too many other players

now in the league who don't have that gravity, don't have that ability, and they want the same say-so. I need this, get me this, and that's where you get into trouble. Yeah. Now, there's a difference between pushing back in a coach and personnel. I don't always agree with LeBron's personnel. For instance, LeBron comes to a team and wants them to be old veterans. I'm not becoming cocoon, the movie. Like, I need somebody in their 20s. But I do think, if you look at the history of the stars in the NBA that have push back on their coach, Magic and Michael and LeBron. They've been right.

Now, Kyrie pushed back on their coach, but I think Kyrie is somebody that's been more difficult. His history is he's difficult on everybody. Yes. Well, and he doesn't have the same cash. I mean, this is always the measuring stick for every single player. Is the greater they are, the more they can get away with,

the more latitude they get. The second you're not great enough, to win and it's still about trying to win. So if you're a great player and you can win me games, I will put up with an awful lot. The second that you can't win me games and I still have to put up

with a lot, now we have a problem. Now I'm ready to move on because I will put up with a lot. I will compromise my authority or my position or my say-so if you're going to get me to a championship. You're going to get me

farther than I can by myself. But when the second you can't, I'm not giving that up. You know, it's an interesting thing. You made me think of something with LeBron and his influence. LeBron doesn't believe in load management. So overwhelmingly the stars, I mean, listen, they all take days off. He load manages over the course of games. Like, he load manages in games.

But he plays. But he shows up. He gives you 34 minutes. Well, he does now. This whole idea that he's never load managed is a crock. Well, but he's done it in various seasons, at very, in various seasons, at very, various points in his career. Okay, but Kauai's taking it to a new level, a weekly basis, no back-to-backs, but he doesn't have influence over players. People look at Kauai and think

he's quirky, odd, and great, but he doesn't have any influence. People don't wear what he wears. They don't act how he acts. Like if LeBron was Kauai and said load management, NBA would have a massive problem. Instead, we got one guy who does it a lot. The people that don't like the NBA use it as a the whole league is doing load management. No, they're Hardin plays every night. Yonis and Damien play every night, don't they? Yeah, this is what I disagree with making Kauai the poster boy

of load management. Isn't he? He's dealing with a legitimate physical issue. For four years? Yeah. Yeah. And he's working his way and he's won a championship doing it this way. I honestly, I honestly think he has something

legitimately that he looks at and says it's a little bit like what Derek Rose went through. Derek Rose showed up, played, played hurt, played with injuries, body fell apart. And then he had to figure out, okay, so how do I get to the finish line? Because it's not about playing 82 games, it's about I want to try to win a championship. That's what Kauai wants to do. And do the Clippers believe that? Yes, and I believe that there's plenty of players around the league who believe that.

The problem with load management is that it's now become a badge of honor. I get to take games off. I don't have to play back to backs because I'm so important to the franchise that when I do play, I'm going to make it up for you. Even if I don't. How many guys do load management? I mean, really do it. I don't think it's as big.

Let's just go stars. I don't care about B guys. Yonest doesn't? But there's different ways. There's different ways. What are different ways? It's not just missing games. Not practicing.

Well, who cares about that? It matters. Depending on where your team is and how old your star is, I need everybody on the floor practicing and playing. Charles Barkley was the worst practice player in league history. He played, now we're talking about two different errors, I totally push back on this. He is.

You're counting practice for load, man. How many young teams that Charles Barkley play on? He always played on veteran teams. You can't have to practice. overload management. That's not a stigma. No, there are ways to, if you're taking days off,

if you're not practicing. I'm talking, I pay 300 bucks to take my son, you don't show. That pisses me off as a fan. No, no, from a fan standpoint. My point is, who's really doing it outside of Kauai? There's a lot of guys that are doing it. A lot.

Yes. Taking a lot of days off on Saturday night when I bring my fam in. Yes. Yes. Name them. There's name the guys who are playing. Name the guys who were playing 82 games. Well, no, no, I don't need 82. You've named like two or three guys. I don't need 82. 76 games, you've given me a season. George Brett's my favorite baseball player ever. He missed 40 games a year. You know, I didn't know we were going to go to this subject. Otherwise, I would have brought you a list of the guys. I have a list. I want to see it. It's in my dressing room. I'll get it. We'll do this.

I don't care about practice. All I know is if I take my daughter and son to a game and a game and a It cost me $3.50. I couldn't give a rip if you missed practice. But if you give me 29 minutes of jump, Chris Paul this year is playing banged up. He's missed one game. That's my kind of guy. But here's the difficulty. Here's the difficulty.

Look, with any great team, your best player has to be your hardest worker. Yeah, mostly. That's the reality. No, that's the reality. But what if he gives me 42 a night in the game and busts his button? He's a lousy practice player. Charles Barkley was a terrible practice player, but the son's. loved him and they got to the final with him

because he showed up in the game. Let's define lousy practice player. I only need you to play. This is what it comes down to. Shack was a lousy practice guy. Except when Phil said I need you to go hard today. We need to get something done.

And he would do it. I mean, it's a matter of degrees. We're trying to paint this as black and white and you're trying to say you either practice or you don't practice. No, there are different ways you can practice. You can practice hard. You can practice you can. Damien Lillard does. this. Damian Lillard goes out

and he won't do the entire practice but he will go hard for the first say five drills. I'm great for that. To get what he needs. That's what I... Right. That's good. Not everybody approaches that way. Or Damian Lillard looks at it and says hey you know what? I'm not going to go do this

commercial. I'm not going to go do, I'm not going to go shopping. I need to get my legs right and my body right. I'm going to go get a massage. Guys don't always have the focus on my entire perspective is on making and getting my body right for those 82 games. I don't care how you get ready to play. Are you ready at 7 o'clock?

Right. That's all I care about. And not every guy is committed to that in the same way because they feel like, you know, when I get to sit on the bench and I'm one of those guys, I'm wearing the suit. And everybody talks about how, oh, they're playing without Devin Booker tonight. And I'm just using his name as an example. Then everybody's like, oh, how can they win without Devin Booker? guys take that as a badge of credibility now. I'm saying you're overstating it.

And I say that practice thing is hooey. I got to go, but that's a hooey argument. Wow. Do you think anybody in the Rose City, they pull in in their nice car to the Rose Garden, and they walk in with their son and they're like, yeah, Damien didn't give the second half of practice a real run today. I am furious.

No, no, but. Dame hits a three, they win. They're off partying in the Rose City. But the difference in your team between a star who is all in doing everything physically because look if he's taking time off then everybody else on the team goes if i show up with a hangover and crush this show nobody cares about my prep and you know what one time yes consistently and then we go yeah imagine what colin could have been if he wasn't hung over yeah and i you know what those people i fire them i'm a jerk

rick buehuehieler joy taylor with the news no no turn on the news this is the Heard line news. Or you drink a Red Bull and make it happen. I had one of those are they. I just put you out there. Irony. There's still a lot of questions surrounding, too, as he continues to recover from his hip surgery.

But his former coach, Nick Savon, doesn't seem worried. He even compared him to two of the best in the league right now. He said, I think he's a lot like Drew Breeze. I always thought Aaron Rogers was a lot like that as a player too, not overly big. Accurate with the ball, really good judgment, decision-making. I would never say the expectation should be he would accomplish. what those guys have. I never want to put that on a guy, but that's the style of player he is. I like the Drew Bree's comparison. I'm not so much with the Aaron Rogers comparison, considering

Aaron Rogers is considered to be one of the greatest throwers of the football ever in league history. I think Drew Breeze style is a little more. I see more of that. Style. Yeah. But my reservation with Tuwa has always been his injuries. And that was even before this hip injury. I just think availability is a skill. And it's, great. You can be as talented as you want to be, but if you're not out there, then you're not helping the team. So if I'm in a, if I'm the dolphins, say, who are, you know, obviously connected to most in rumors wise to be drafting Tua, and I can't move up to get Burrow. I'm, I'm in a strange position with Tua because why I do think he's more talented, far more talented

than Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert, to me, has more potential. He's more raw potential and he doesn't have the injuries. Yeah. And I, I just, you know, I, what I think what we do with all these kids. We just nitpick them. Like I... Well, you have to. This is a 10-year decision. This is a possibly billion-dollar decision. Justin Herbert goes to Oregon. He wins 10 games a year. 6-5 runs, four-point student, biology major. People love him.

But you don't know if it translates to the NFL. I don't, but boy, we just... If you can look at Justin Herbert and go, I don't think you'll make it in the NFL. There is no... He is absolutely more gifted. No question. than Sam Darnold. If you look at Sam Darnold and Justin Herbert,

size arm. Herbert absolutely. Throwing motion. There is no, and I love Darnold. Justin Herbert has more natural quarterback talent than Sam Darnold. Sam has got this DNA, this playmaker to Sean Watson DNA that's like otherworldly. But Herbert's skill set is he has a way bigger arm than Darnold, a way better delivery than Sam Darnold, who I love.

I think we're nitpicking Herbert to death. But you have no choice. You have to. This is a huge decision that can affect the next 10 years of your organization. This whole show today is just, I am unglued. I saw that magician make a woman disappear. My head hasn't been right in 48 hours. So the NFL has been discussing a 17-game season and once it implemented as soon as possible.

But players are hoping to delay the process or reportedly want the league to wait until 2022 or 23 to add another game to the schedule. The current CBA is set to expire following the 2020 season, which will be something we all have to pay attention to because I do think that that's going to be very interesting negotiation. The season's good now. I cannot stand this idea. It is a money move. Yes.

The best part of the NFL season is there's urgency in every single week. I don't like changing things that absolutely work, especially for money reasons, because this is not about health. Adding another game is not having any health benefits to the players. Eliminate the preseason. Then I'm okay with it because then if you eliminate the preseason, I'm going to give you an extra game to kind of figure out,

college doesn't have a preseason to figure out what the hell you are. And by the way, if you've been coaching the NFL for 20 years like most of these staffs, don't tell me you need four games to figure out who can play and who can. You know it by the second week it can. It's not for the starters. The preseason is for the fringe guys, you know, the deeper parts of your roster that you have to figure out. To me, if I'm the players and they are trying to negotiate this,

the only way that I'm accepting this is if the NFL gives players who have been in the league for, say, at least three years, lifetime health insurance. MLB, you play one game of Major League Baseball, Lifetime Health Insurance. So if you like if... Right now, vested players who have three credited seasons get five years of health care benefits for themselves, and their dependence after their career ends. Five years for the NFL, the most violent sport in the world. So baseball, one game in majors, Lifetime Health Insurance.

So if you want to add a game to the NFL season, you want to add so 17 games, give the NFL players Lifetime Health Insurance, which they should obviously already happen. Yeah, I'm far. I like that idea. I don't even know how that's still a thing. But if you're really having conversations about health and this is not going to affect the players, lifetime health insurance, go ahead and add an extra game. To me, there's no other way you can reason it.

That's very reasonable. By the way, I said Big Ten basketball. I was given credit to Northwestern basketball this year. Do you know what their record is? One in 13 in conference. Oh. So I want to correct myself. I hadn't watched a lot of Northwestern Wildcat basketball this year.

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Well, you know what? Stop being hypocrites. I mean, Yankee fans on their high horse, give me a break. Astros got punished. Four top draft picks. GM fired. Manager out. Chaos. Getting ridiculed. Legacies burned. I think they cheated. But nobody has a buzzer to prove they cheated that way. By the way, we're going to find out in three days.

The Red Sox probably cheated in 2018. Do you take that title, too? I mean, the Astros didn't win every title last three years. So the cheating didn't beat the superior teams. Well, the argument is that this was institutionalized cheating. I want to see proof of that. Whereas. Banged a garbage can. little. They admitted it.

They cheated. Well, listen, they banged a garbage counter. That has been established. The cheating happened. I take the garbage can out. It makes a lot of noise at my house, too. The argument is that the steroids is individual cheating. Oh, boy. Individuals helped them win. Did people think nobody want a world, did nobody want a

playoff series because of steroids? When I had my three, four, and five hitter were taking cattle steroids. Yeah, it didn't, it didn't affect the outcome of series. Give me a break. All right. Michael Jordan's 50 37th birthday today. We're going to play a game. What's the game called? I was not told what the game is called.

LeBron or Jordan. LeBron or Jordan. All right, here we go. We'll call it that. Or Jordan or LeBron. All right. So both are great scores. Who has the higher three point percentage? All right. LeBron or Jordan? Michael's 57th birthday today. Who had the higher career three point percentage? I think LeBron's always been a better long-distance shooter than Michael. So I would just say LeBron.

LeBron slightly better. LeBron is 34.4%. Jordan 32.7%. And they also. moved it in for a couple years for Michael, so LeBron's even better than Michael. All right, well, both are known for selling shoes, but who has the bigger shoe size? Michael by a smidge.

Incorrect. LeBron. LeBron wears a 15. Jordan wears a 13. Jordan only wears a 13? Yes. Hell, I wore a 12. I mean, you're basically Michael Jordan.

Who has more playoff games with 30 plus points? LeBron's just been in so many. I'd say LeBron. LeBron by one. LeBron has 110. Jordan has 109. God, that's a lot of dominant games. Yeah.

That's over a season of dominant playoff. 30 plus points. Wow. Yeah, in playoff games. Who has the higher scoring average in the finals? I'd say Michael. Correct. Jordan 33.6 points per game.

LeBron, 28.2 points per game. All right. Who has sold more jerseys all time? Wow, that is a good one. I'll say Michael. Yes. Jordan has the most jerseys sold all. all time. LeBron is third. Kobe is second.

Oh, Kobe's numbers will go up dramatically, I imagine, the next year. Yeah. Who has made buzzer, who has more made buzzer beaters in the playoffs? Now, there's a trick question, because it seems obvious that Michael does have a series. I've seen all

of them, so I'd say Michael. No, LeBron has five, Jordan has three. Wow. Who's clutch and who's not? Okay. Who was named Allstate in the sport other than basketball while in high school. Easy.

That's LeBron High School football. Yes, Allstate wide receiver is a sophomore. Look at that. Oh, I've never seen that picture. I haven't either. Look at that is LeBron James. He's a wide receiver. He looks the same.

He does look the same. That is a great picture. That is. So he played as a freshman. Sophomore. Allstate is a sophomore. Allstate wide receiver is a sophomore. Wow.

So I guarantee he's on Sundays he's watching football. He loves football. Cowboys fan. Both of Rock 23, but who has worn more jersey numbers in the NBA? Both have worn... No, I think LeBron's worn three, hasn't he? It's Jordan. Jordan wore 23, 45, and 12. Remember he wore number 12 when his jersey was stolen on Valentine's Day in 1990? There was a trick question. He had 49 points in the 12 jersey. That's a good jersey to get. I'm going to have to pick one of those up. LeBron is about to appear in Space Jam, just like Jordan did. But as of today, whose movies have grossed more

worldwide. Well, ticket prices cost way more now. I mean, that's why whenever you see the box office in Hollywood, the numbers are smash. It used to be four bucks for a ticket. Now it's like 18. There's slightly more, yes. So I would say LeBron. Yeah, LeBron has appeared in train wreck with Bill Hader and Amy Poehler, and he was also in Smallfoot. Bill Hader is funny. He is funny, yes. All right, who did America choose as the goat in the national

poll? Well, what national poll? I don't know. I'm Ron Burgundy. I just read what they give me. I would say Michael. Yes. Jordan received 66% of the votes. The players were also asked in a separate poll, and Jordan was the majority winner. Still the goat. Happy birthday goat. Well, you know, the other thing, Michael's game was very much, it was aggressive and relentless,

and give me the ball and I'm going to carry the team. I've always thought it's unfair, but Michael and Magic's games are much more about community and elevating others. LeBron could have scored 40 a game multiple years in this league, and he chose not to because LeBron's always been about playing the game the right way. I am not insinuating Michael didn't play it the right way, but Michael's style was, give me the ball, get out of the way, I'm going to score. By the way, that was Kobe to some degree would be criticized because he shot too much. That was Kobe's style.

Magic and LeBron's stylist, I can score, but you double. There are more distributors. You double me. I'm moving off the ball. All right. All right. Show's coming up with Whitlock. Stephen Jackson's on there, so there's going to be no nonsense on that show.

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