The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NBA, fans, Joe Burrow, Cam Newton

Episode Date: April 6, 2020

Colin explains why the NBA will set the time when it's safe to come back, why fans can probably expect lower prices, why Joe Burrow will have a tough time if he goes to the Bengals, and why Cam Newton and Bill Belichick wouldn't work well together. Guests include Rick Reilly, Jaylon Smith, and Albert Breer. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go on a Monday live in Los Angeles. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, all the platforms ready to roll, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, Sirius XM, Channel 83, one hour from now, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both. It is great to have you in today.

Rick Riley, 15-time National Sports Rider of the Year, joins me in about an hour 15. It is great to have you in today. I thought I would start with something, and I did not watch a lot of television this weekend. I did not do a lot of social media this weekend. As I've said, dating back to three weeks ago, I think the mental part of this,

the psychological part of this is really, really important. That's why I don't believe we live in a police state. If you want to get in a car and go for a drive in Texas with a cup of coffee with your wife, wear your masks. Go for it. We don't live in a police state. I wear a mask everywhere I go now, and I have for about five, six days. It's the new normal.

But here's one of the things, and it just, there's a lot of doom and gloom. Here's a prime example. So I have a phone like you do, right? And on my phone, there's a little site I go to every day that gives me the weather in my little Manhattan Beach, in California. And every 12 hours it changes. I mean, it's been unbelievable. In March, we've had a lot of wind and rain every 15 hours, every 12 hours it changes. It was going to be nice this week.

And about three days ago, it was like, it's going to be terrible this week. It's got poor all week. Didn't look like that about five days ago on my phone. So that's using radar, your local weather person all over America. in most cities in the winter and spring when we have real weather, unpredictable weather, once they go to a seven-day forecast, totally inaccurate. They can get about three to four days right. The longer it goes, they're inaccurate.

That's with radar. Time-tested radar. So excuse me if I don't buy into local sports reporters or national NFL beat guys telling me, football's not going to happen September 10th. That's over five months away. We can't get it right with radar helping us with weather four days out. Our government, you don't have to wear masks. A couple of days ago, it's urgent.

Everybody wear masks. University of Washington has a COVID-19 model. Oh, they readjusted it today. There's a 45% drop in beds needed in America. Almost half. Everything's changing. This is incredibly fluid. but nobody has any answers.

The models are outdated an hour after they're out. The CDC projected 1.7 million deaths to start. Come on. Social distancing is a real deal. Keep doing it, do it soon, do it often. But we don't live in a police state. If you want to go for a walk, put a cloth around your mouth in the neighborhood and makes you happy, do it. So everybody's talking about the NFL, and if the NFL,

and if the NFL is going to happen and the NFL's not, none of us know. Here's what we do know. In Europe, Italy, they have flattened the curve. New York City at their peak appears to be close to flattening the curve. They may have already done it. Oregon's already beaten the curve. Europe hotspots, New York City, these are hot spots. These aren't like rural Utah, rural Indiana.

They've flattened the curve. We also know that by late May it gets hot as hell in this country in Texas. in the South by June, July. We know that warm weather can stem the spread of viruses. But I'm not making any predictions. If you want to make a prediction on the NFL, let's get through April and May. Let's just get through it. All right, nobody knows.

I mean, radar, weather people don't know five days out. Our government flip-flops weekly on masks. Don't wear masks. These models, University of Washington models, all over the map. I don't believe. any of these models. None of them. I just know that social distancing works. That's what I know. So I wear stuff. Masks in the store I wear them. When I go for walks, I wear them, and maybe I look like a total nerd, but I don't care. That's the new normal. Here's the other thing. Don't let Twitter

guilt you into believing that you can't be simultaneously empathetic for those who are dying and also have a conversation pivoting to the economy. We've got to start it back up. Golf this morning. PGA went out and said, yeah, we've got to do some tournaments. No fans, we're doing them. Thank you, golf.

To grown-ups. We're pivoting now to real conversations. Twitter wants to make you feel guilty that you don't wake up every morning and think the world's ending and you don't care about every single thing and every... I care about New York City,

but America is not New York City. New York City is a city in America. That doesn't mean like Plano, Texas is going to be New York City, or South Dakota is going to be New York City, or Oregon's going to be New York City. They don't have the population density or the dynamic subway travel or the shoulder-to-shoulder living, elevators up, elevators down. So I can have empathy for people, but I also realize we need to have grown-up conversations on this stuff, and people are trying to project like they know stuff. Our government doesn't. Models don't. Radar doesn't. Who knows? Trump came out yesterday as a president and said, you know, I think we're going to have a football season. He's a leader. He's trying to be optimistic. I appreciate that.

But, you know, one thing I've really realized that the people in the media, I'm not going to name any names. But I know a couple people in the media that live on their phones. And because they're like beat reporters and they live on them. In fact, like strangely, on their phone all day. I put my noun for hours. Those are the people that, they're not. tend to be panicking and making bold predictions and don't have a clue. It is not even April 10th. The NFL season is going to start September 10th. If they have to, they'll get rid of the preseason. Would any of us miss that? Ooh, the coaches would have to make evaluations without, you know, preseason. College football coaches do it and it works just fine. So I have no predictions.

This is what I know. Nobody knows. It's fluid. Summer's coming. Flattening the The curve is happening even in Italy, which had it worse than any American city, including New York, if you count death rate. Deep breath, put the phone downs. It's okay to pivot to the economy eventually here pretty quick. Thanks, golf, for doing it. Let me segue to this. Adam Silver is a commissioner for the NBA. And, you know, they were the first league to come out and say, timeout, we're calling a timeout here.

And Adam Silver is, you know, he's kind of a left-leener. and I appreciate him. I think he's smart and progressive, big fan of his. And I think the NBA is actually the key to the NFL. I think it's the key to the NFL. Because the NBA is the underdog. The media tends to like underdog stories. The media doesn't like power.

The media pushes back on all governments and all corporations. They've always pushed back way more on the NFL. The NBA is the underdog. And so the NBA media is a little friendlier to NBA than the NFL media and the overall media is to the NFL. We kind of take sometimes we're pretty tough on the NFL. We rip the NFL. NBA media, you know, like the baseball media, sort of romanticizes their sport and protects their sport. So Adam Silver goes in first and says, we're shutting it down.

That curried a lot of favor with progressives. A lot of favor with Twitter. Twitter loves to feel smart. Media loves to feel smart. Adam Selmer is very smart. So he is going to get much more leeway than Roger Goodell would get the guy running the most popular, the most powerful, the wealthiest, the richest, the richest. That doesn't really need the media. The NFL is a TV business.

They don't need newspapers. They don't need radio. They don't need Twitter. They don't care. They got five networks bidding on them. NBA's got two and one, I think, I won't mention it. may not be able to afford it going forward because they had March Madness and the NBA season potentially canceled. So he's going to move back in.

He told Trump yesterday, Adam Sovere did it. I'd like to start. I'd like to lead us back in. I stopped it. I'd like to lead us back in. This is great for the NFL because A, you would be a total hypocrite if you allowed the NBA to come back in the media and didn't bang on them much and then crush the NFL for four months later or three months later or two months later, probably four months later, coming back. Secondly, if the NBA starts first and has a few missteps, NFL can watch the

missteps and go, we won't do that. We will do that. Remember, even when you talk about these people that know the viruses, the, you know, the president of the WHO, the World Health Organization, they always tell you with viruses, it's imperfect. Don't seek perfection. You can't, if you're the NBA or a pro-sports league, seek perfection. There's going to be missteps. Somebody will get the virus. You can't be paralyzed by that. We have 38,000 car deaths a year in America. Should we stop driving? You manage it. You just manage automobile accidents. We have teenagers. One of the reasons Americans live to be 79 and a half and not 80 and a half like other nations are teenagers drive. We don't have this national, you know, we don't have this national subway system like other

countries like, you know, that's much more, you know, New York does. But like teenagers all over the driving, car deaths, and we allow it. Do we lack empathy because we let our teenagers drive? No, we manage it. You don't seek perfection. Our roads aren't perfect. They're old. Our bridges are old. We let teenagers drive probably too early. But it allows them to go places and parents can then work if the kid can drive. And you manage it. So if the NBA goes back in, they'll be given a little bit more leeway. It will not be seamless. It will not be perfect. There will be hiccups. will catch COVID-19. The good news is it'll be a 24-year-old professional athlete

that will have asymptomatic or mild, mild issues. We know that right now. So I think the NBA is going to get a little break on this if they go back first and good for them and good for golf. It's okay to simultaneously care about Americans that have it or may get it or may suffer and also pivot to. questions about the economy because you know what's really bad to poverty and 17% unemployment.

So I think the NBA, as progressive as it is, could be a real helper to all our sports going forward. Joy Taylor is now with us. She is in her secluded grotto somewhere near Beverly Hills. Joy, how are you this morning? I'm great, Colin, how are you? I'm doing okay. I hope you had a nice weekend. Did you, did you get out of a little bit, go for a walk, wear a mask, that kind of thing? I did go for a walk. I did wear a mask. I wear a mask every time I go outside. Yep, so do I. It's interesting, Joy. You know, obviously, New York City, there's more of an urban

lifestyle in Los Angeles, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Montana. You're more spread out. So, you know, I'm seeing people walk all through my neighborhood, but everybody's wearing a mask, 90 percent, and everybody's socially distancing. So that makes me very happy. I don't think there's there's any win here to be an alpha, to deflect your social masculinity by not wearing a mask. Social distancing is the one thing we all know. It works. And the states that adopted it or adapted to it quickly, California, by the way, not perfect. Again, there's going to be young people that don't, but we shut down the beaches.

And it looks like we're supposed to be now in the peak in California. And a lot of the numbers coming out are encouraging. So that's where we're at today. Albert Breer is going to be joining us coming up around the corner. Here's where I thought about this yesterday and shared it with some friends. There are moments during this. As we segue out of this, and again, it's not going to be April 30th. We all rush back to theaters.

It's going to be trickle, very much a trickle. In fact, you know, I'm going to wear a mask for as long. You know, I'm going to wear a mask or a cloth for months. I wore one to work today. I wore it up the elevator today. I wore it during prep. I wear it during commercials. It's not going to...

The Dow Jones is not going to robustly in three days catch up to all it lost. It's going to be a trickle effect. We're going to slowly start driving and slowly go back to work and slowly move back into our normal lives. But there's an advantage for sports fans on that and it's about time.

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Oh, I love this. I know what I'm leading with tomorrow, folks. All you haters of Jim Harbaugh, Michigan's over under wind totals nine. Michigan states is four and a half. When Harbaugh got to Michigan, Michigan State owned that state. He has killed that program.

That program's done. Harbaugh walked in, stole the recruits. Michigan State's over under wind tunnel. They were winning the conference. They had Ohio State before Harbaugh got there. Michigan's win total is double Michigan State. Well, it's below Ohio State. That's because Ohio State's a better football program.

Ohio State's always been a better football program than Michigan. In the last 20, 30, 40 years, of course it is. I don't ever hold Michigan to Ohio State. standards. Ohio State's one of the top three or four programs in America. Michigan's amongst the next 15. But for those who bang on hardball, once again, the over-under-wind total at Michigan is nine. Not many teams in the country not named Bama, Ohio State, Clemson, over nine, nine and a half wins. I'm telling you. Okay, so here's the good news as we pivot and work our way through the virus. For years and years, and I've mentioned this at the other

network and I've mentioned it here at Fox Sports and FS1 and Fox Sports Radio, that fans get hosed all the time. The number one investment in the world right now for billionaires, and I read a story about a year ago on this, is sports teams, English Premier League soccer teams, you know, your Real Madrid, your NFL teams, your baseball teams, your NBA team. That's where rich guys, they want to get into those clubs. They all want to get in. Why? Because you don't know if Apple, IBM. You don't know. I don't know if Fox Sports is going to be here in 30 years.

I don't know if Netflix is going to be here in 40 years. You know what's going to be here in 40 years? The Raiders, the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Celtics, the Lakers, the Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles. Those grow forever exponentially. And they're entertainment. And people like entertainment. So everything else in entertainment, singers, songwriters, bands, movies, companies, they disappear into the ether.

They don't last forever. Fox used to do movies. We sold it to Disney. You know, it doesn't last forever. Sports lasts forever. Especially the big bona fide cowboys, Yankees, you know, Dodgers, the great franchises, right? They last forever.

Your cults, your packers, your saints, they're going to be here forever. So just know that going in. That's where the richest people in the world want their money. Pro sports teams. They're banks. They're banks. It's just money and money and money.

And I've always thought once that started really, really taking place in the last 10 years, because sports teams were not always the best place to invest, but they have been with the international turmoil, the global turmoil we have. Now it's American sports teams or the EPL. That's where rich guys put their money. Rich men or women. And over the course of the last 10 years, when this has become the case, the revenues are driving up so much now for leagues.

with TV money, why are we still charging fans outrageous prices? I'll give you an example, hockey. Nobody in America watches hockey. They don't. I'd say it if we had it. I said it at ESPN. People don't watch hockey in America. They don't.

They don't watch it. They go to it. There's a lot of people that love it. I go to three or four LA Kings games a year. It's a blast. My kids love it. I like it. Wife likes it.

She's from Detroit, Hockey City. Ten years ago, when a billion dollars was a lot of money, 10 years ago, NBC gave the NHL $2 billion. That doesn't count local teams making money on their local radio deal, a local regional TV deal, their ticket sales, their programs, their beer. The league made $2 billion. Ten years ago. Eight years ago.

Eight, Canada, where there's no people. I know they like hockey, but it's got 30 million people. That's 8 million fewer than the state of California. There's nobody in Canada. Rogers Communications paid $5 billion eight years ago to the NHL. So $5 billion from a Canadian broadcasting company, $2 billion from the United States broadcasting company, for a sport that in North America, if you add it all up, nobody watches.

$7 million. Billion, excuse me, $7 billion. It's not counting the tickets, the food, the parking, the programs, the merchandising, the local radio deal, the regional deal. There's so much money in these leagues now. The NFL's got five networks bidding for it. Disney wants it.

Fox wants it. CBS wants it. Amazon could want it. We don't even know if Apple and Amazon and these companies are coming after it. So my takeaway is on this, we're coming out of this virus. A, people are not going to flood back into stadiums. You're going to have to convince them to go. There's not a lot of wives and moms and dads.

are just going to let their kids go willy-nilly to games. Not a lot of moms are going to want their husbands to go willy-dilly games because you just don't know, right? So it's going to be a trickle effect. You're going to have to convince fans as owners of teams to go to your games. Convince them, not just open the doors, pouring in. Second thing is we're going into a recession. You know, some economic Darwinism coming up here.

So no more $5 bottled waters, $14 budlites, $22 personal pan peat, Those days are over. If not, they should be. No more $14 bud lights. This has been egregious. I understood gouging fans a little before these TV deals exploded 10 years ago. When hockey is making $7 billion a year, the NHL, hockey. Ooh, $5 billion from Canada.

I got 30 million people. It's not as big as one of our states. So this. This is going to create, I believe, a more efficient sports America and a more realistic and a more fair version for fans. You're not going to be able to charge people over the next two to three to four years. Fifteen bucks for a beer, $52 to park, $6 for a water, $22 for a personal pan pizza. You better have discounts. You got enough money.

This is the world's best place to invest. all these leagues now are only billionaires. It is time the scales tipped back toward fans. You're going to have to convince them to come and coax them to come. And they're not going to have the money to spend $375 taking four people to an NBA game. Days are over. For the time being, those days are over. So that's the part about this where we're going to have a little reboot,

and I think it's much more reasonable and fairer to the American sports. consumer. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I agree, Colin. I was never a fan of those $12 drop beers. Oh, my God. I mean, I went to Yankee Stadium 10 years ago. 10 years ago, it was like nine bucks for a Heineken.

And I'm like, okay, this is old Yankee Stadium and it smells like cat urine, nine bucks for a Heineken and a guy got in a fight three rows behind me. I'm like, this is not a great environment. I'm going to watch it on Yes, in my house back in Connecticut. Kenton. Right, with my reasonably priced beer. Yeah. So the Texans surprised the league by trading D'Andre Hopkins to the Cardinals, and a lot of people think they did not get enough in return for the star wide receiver.

But Bill O'Brien is standing by the move. He said it was in the best interest of our team. We loved DeAndre Hopkins. He had three years left on his deal, and he wanted to raise any decision that's made is made with the team in mind. Yes. So he's doing a little PR spin there because he is taking a lot of heat for this trade. But it's not to me, it's not only that they didn't get what I think they should have gotten in return.

Yes, yes. The David Johnson contract is not a good contract. Well, for one year, for one year, they're going to swallow that contract. Yes, I think Bill O'Brien as GM and coach now just does not want players looking for early deals. Now the Cowboys have been willing to sign those. Now they're kind of trapped, and Houston doesn't want to do that. First of all, I think he's a good coach. I don't think he's a good general manager.

So I think your criticism of him is fair. This is a guy that's trying to do. By the way, Joy, Mike Holmgren was a great coach. Briefly in Seattle, he tried to be coached in GM. He was a terrible general manager. I think Bill O'Brien, to me, has got too much power in the organization. Right. And I think that great leaders know when they need to delegate and when they're doing too much.

Like, it's fine. It's fun to have all the power and make. all the decisions and, you know, have all the control over the team. But it's better when you have someone who you can bounce things off of who's qualified to have that position and work together. I understand those situations don't always work out perfectly and one guy ends up getting fired and whatnot for decisions that they're not on the same page for. But I think it's more for me.

Obviously, I don't like this deal for the Texans. But I just want to see Deshaun Watson be able to play at the highest level and not be running for his life and have the weapons he needs to be successful. And I don't know if we're ever going to be able to see the full range of Deshaun Watson's talents and success when all that is happening. So Cam Newton is still waiting for his next chance in the NFL and the Patriots don't have an established starting quarterback on their roster. But former Patriots executive, Scott Pioli, does not think Cam would be a good fit with Bill Belichick. I don't see those two coexisting together and not because the personalities and the beliefs of how the game. should be played and is played and it seems like oil and watered.

You know, I just see them as being very different personalities and having very different approaches to the game. Bill understands he believes in football more than entertainment. Cam believes that football and entertainment are almost equal partners and which, you know, in this day and age it is, but Bill has the soul of a football man. And I couldn't see that one working out too much. well. And if it did, it would have to be for probably one season. I agree. I don't really see Cam Newton as a fit in New England. That said, I do think that

Cam Newton will be a fit somewhere else and he will get an opportunity this year. But Bill Belichick, he's right. Like, that's not Bill style. We all know that. We know how Bill runs everything in New England. If Bruce Ariens didn't have Brady, Ariens, if you think about what Ariens is, fun, deep ball, loose, light. That's kind of cam. Belichick's very much detail, focus. Money can't drive you. I'm not interested in your celebrity. That's just who

Belichick. You know, this league is way more about fit. It really is, Joy. People, average fans, like, this guy's talented, go get him. It's just like relationships. This league's really a fit league. Like Patrick Mahomes would be good anywhere. He's great with Andy Reed,

because Andy believes you take a quarterback and you don't try to change Right. If you had an old school Mike Ditka or an old school football coach that believed, hey, you'll win with defense, you would not, Mahomes would not be putting up these numbers. Andy Reid's the opposite. He's like, Mike Vic runs a lot. We'll run a lot.

Mahomes can run and throw. We'll run and throw. Alex Smith throws short. He's efficient. We'll do that. So Andy Reid makes Mahomes the league's best player. Outside of that, Mahomes would just be a guy throwing more picks, probably frustrated, not putting up these numbers.

and that's Mahomes, who's probably the most talented football player in the league. So the reality is Cam's a bad fit for Belichick. So therefore, John Gruden, I still contend, is not a terrible fit for Cam Newton. I think they work. I would love Cam Newton with the Raiders. I think that would be a great fit. But to your point about fit, that's the difference between the NFL and the NBA. You can bring a bunch of talent together in the NBA.

And if they can find a way to work together, they can have immediate success, even if it's not necessarily the perfect fit, but there's too many moving parts on an NFL team. There's too much going on to bring in the leader and the main guy on your team to not fit what you do there. That said, I don't necessarily know that Bill Belichick's style works moving forward, even if you have somebody that buys into that culture,

if they don't have the talent level that Tom Brady had. So that's going to be an interesting thing to find. Finally, the AFC East is up for grabs now that Tom Brady is out of the division. and Josh Allen knows how big of a year this will be for the Bills. You know, obviously I think Bill's mafia is happy that he's out of there and they were tired of him winning in Buffalo and frankly, we were tired of it too. Obviously, we understand the deal and we know that there's a big opportunity in front of us. But again, it doesn't get there without us putting the work in and going to work each and every day

and trying to be the best thing that we can be. It's not just going to be handed to us. I think the Jets and the Dolphins are thinking the same thing right now and it's football. Every year is different. it doesn't mean that the Patriots are out of anything as well. You know, they're returning a lot of guys on defense. They've got a great cooking staff over there. So it doesn't mean that they're just automatically out of it

just because they lost, you know, a pretty key player. Fox Betts still has the Patriots as the favorites in the AFC East at plus 105 and the bill second at plus 150. I think you and I are on the same page about the AFC East this year. But I don't understand that because they don't have a quarterback. I get it from the defense side. but I just think that this is a year that the bills have to take a major step up

in order for me to believe that this is this is the right formula winning formula for them because there's really not there's not an excuse like I don't I don't think that just because Bill Belichick is there and because they still have the same defense virtually that that's an excuse for the bills to not win

the AFCs like it's theirs to win well I think Buffalo's got better players right now I think Buffalo's got better players out even even the Patriot strength is their corners I even like Buffalo's both are corners. So Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. You know, Joy was talking about fit. I'll give you an example to Joy's point where in the NBA, fits less important. The Miami Healds didn't fit. I mean, because the truth of the matter is, LeBron's never like to center on his team that clogs up the link

because LeBron sometimes loses confidence in his jump shot and then wants to drive to the basket, which he's very effective at. So basically they made Chris Bosch, who was averaging 25 a game in Toronto, a lot of it down low. They just moved him out to the corner. So that wasn't really a perfect fit.

And then D. Wade and LeBron were never a perfect fit. LeBron's the best passing big man outside of maybe Larry Bird and Magic John. Well, Magic was a guard. The two best passing big men in league history, guys over 6'9 are Larry Bird and and LeBron James. LeBron loves to drive and dish.

Well, D. Wade's not an elite three-point shooter. The team had no size. Bosch, D. Wade, and LeBron never really fit. They added a bunch of old parts. They were bad at point guard. Too short. Joelle Anthony was a 6-8 center. But it worked because they had the most talent.

There's never been that story in the NFL. Where you just had talent and none of it fit. It doesn't work. To Joy's point, Miami never fit. Now, Pat Riley's brilliant. Eric Spolstra is tremendous. LeBron was in his prime. So was Bosch.

I mean, you had injuries. Wade and LeBron were never really an ideal. fit. You know, a great fit. Clay Thompson fits everywhere, but Steph and Clay are a great fit. Clay's a great defender. Steph's below average. Clay's a catch and shoot guy and Steph can dribble the ball around the floor, but you can't double Clay because you've got to keep your eye on Steph. Steph and Clay's the best back corner of my light, and it's not just because they can shoot. It's a perfect fit. One's an elite defender, two way guy. One is just a great offensive player. one guy is a great dribbler and can get the ball to a catch and shoot guy,

and Clay just happens to be as good as the NBA currently has at a catch and shoot guy. You know, so one's a little bigger and stronger, one's a little smaller and a little bit more finesse. Clay can get more physical. So Wade and LeBron and Bush never fit. But in the NBA, they won and dominated for four years. That story has never happened in the NFL. Nothing fits, and we just keep winning Super Bowls.

Now, we've had the story of New England where everything fits and nothing's that great. You get that in the NFL. You got in the NFL all the time. The most talented team didn't win. I mean, I've seen that a lot where you see a team with all sorts of talent. And you're like, I mean, the year Green Bay won the Super Bowl with Aaron Rogers. They weren't the most talented team in the league.

They were good. I'm not sure they were better than Pittsburgh that year in terms of talent. Green Bay was the better team. They had the momentum. All right. Coming up next, Albert Breer, next hour, Rick Riley, whether you're working from home or working on your fitness, you want to hear your music. not your roommate's music.

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New York hospitalizations. Is the stock market up today? Thousand points. That doesn't hurt. Albert Breer is joining us. Lead Content Guy Monday morning quarterback. So it's brought to you by Mercedes. The best or nothing.

All right. Let's start with this whole Cam Belichick thing. I think it's obviously they don't connect. I am a little surprised, a little. They weren't interested in Dalton and Teddy Bridgewater. I'm a little surprised. And I have said it is not tanking. It is understanding you're not a Super Bowl roster and repositioning yourself for next year's draft when it's full of a plus quarterback prospect.

So what do you make of the reports now last week? New England's just not. They're going to go with Stidham who may or may not be ready. Yeah, and I wouldn't be surprised, Colin, if they draft one to. You know, just based on the premise that you throw darky, starboard night, I think you can kind of line it up with what Seattle did a decade ago when they went through Matt Flynn and Charlie Whitehurst and Lars Jackson before they hit on Russell Wilson.

That was a philosophy there. Just keep drafting them. And so, you know, I wouldn't be surprised at New England winds up to take. and say a Jake from in the third round if you were to fall to them. And I think really the overall idea, the global idea here, they're in a tough spot financially right now. Their cap is a little bit of a mess. And they really did go all in the last few years to keep it champion together.

And so, you know, I think they want to come out of 2020 with clean financials. They're carrying a $13.5 million dead cap hit for Brady this year. Yes. I think the idea is to create that sort of advantage for yourself going into 2021, where maybe you've got the quarterback on the roster, if it's stood on a draft pick, or, you know, you've got the freedom to go and get one in 2021 with much cleaner financials and the younger team.

Speaking of quarterbacks, I was on the phone 20 minutes yesterday with an NFL general manager. I was texting a scouting director and a scout. I'm going to tell you, the fear on Tua is palpable. I love him. Yep. All three are petrified of rolling the dice. You take him.

Bang, takes a shot. I don't think he's going to drop to the 20th pick, but I'm really sensing, and these could be people just BSing me because we're pre-draft. What is your sense on what you're hearing on Tua, who I love, but I can sense the fear now with his injury? Yeah, there are three things. I think, number one, the hip.

Everything's as good as it could be right now. But the nature of that injury, you're not really going to know until 9 to 12 months out, whether he developed the Joe Jackson condition or not, which, I mean, you know, it's a risk. You know, there's not a high chance of it happening, but it's a risk. And so that's sort of sitting out there. You know, and then the second thing is the ankle surgeries.

And not a lot of people are talking about this call him. That tightrope surgery that he had done on both ankles, that's a new surgery. And so there isn't a long track record, you know, as far as how those hold up. So that becomes a question. And then the third thing, of course, is just a history. If you look over the last 10 years, I know I've been over this with you, but Sam Bradford, Jake Locker in 11, Robert Griffin in 12,

Carson Lent, Marcus Marriota, Deshawn Watson, Josh Rosen, guys who get hurt in college get hurt again in the pros. And so I think because of all of these things, the teams look at it and say, do I really want to think the sort of resource into getting to us when I know that there's that amount of risk on the other end of it? So there's a very, very real,

very real question there. And to me to tell why there's the Miami Dolphins to, you know, look, their owner, their team president, and their general manager were all at the Alabama bowl game, and Tool wasn't even playing it. That's the level of research we've done into them. And I don't necessarily, all that research

means they're taking them. In fact, it could wind up meaning they know a lot about where he is medically at the physical risk, and it wouldn't totally shock me if they wind up deciding they like Justin Herbert as a prospect more than they like to a tongue of a low, which is crazy to think, but that

could be where they are. By the way, there's two very good defensive players on the market. We talk quarterbacks. Everson Griffin and Jadavia and Clowny are very good players. Clowny is great against the run. Everson Griffin's a good pass rusher. You know, lots of teams would love them, but not at their number. Is there a leader in the clubhouse for either of those two guys right now?

I still think Clowny, there's a good chance he goes back to Seattle on maybe a one-year deal to try to come back and hit it big in 2021. Not being able to take a physical is a big deal. He had micro fracture surgery early in his career. He had swelling in his knees. And so there's a question there, you know, like how much of a commitment do you want to make to him? And it's hard for teams to make a long-term commitment to somebody like that when they can't have their own team doctor get their hands on them. And so it might make most sense for Clowny to go back and, you know, go back to the Seahawks on a one-year deal, try and hit it big and then come back in 2021.

on Everton Griffin's issue is a little bit different in that, you know, he's older and there's the off-field thing lingering out there, the mental health issue that he had from a couple years ago. And so he's the type of guy that you'd want to sit down and talk to. And so he couldn't make sense for somebody like Cleveland, where there's someone in the building, that'd be Kevin Stansky in this case, who has been around him and who knows him. It's just hard to make that leap of phase if you don't know the guy based on some of the prior history there. Yeah. Good stuff. Albert Brewer is joining us. the NFL draft.

It was interesting. Only about a minute left. I talked to Tom Telesco about a week ago, and I said, the draft thing, you do it from your house, right? And he said, well, in California, you're not allowed to gather. So he goes, in our state, I'm going to have like nine screens in front of me. He goes, man, I hope somebody doesn't trip at my house and unplug the internet or I can't draft. Because every state is different about how many people can gather.

But I do think we should go on with it. I think we've got enough stuff. Senior Bowl, Combine, three years. at tape, interviews. I think it goes on as planned. You? I think they're going to go forward with it. You know, I do.

And I think part of this is going to be, you know, creating competitive, eliminating competitive balance issues. And so, like, that means, and this is a memo that went out to everybody in the league last week, it's either going to have to be everybody's at home or everybody can use their team facilities. And I'm just here to tell you, I'm not a doctor,

I'm not a state official. There is no way on God's green earth. that every single NFL team is going to be able to conjugate in their team facilities. Right. It's going to be at home. And like you said, there are issues that they're going to have to work through here. I mean, the IT people has suddenly become some of the most important people in those buildings because they're going to have to build infrastructure in these people's houses so they can support the sort of stuff that they need.

I got an interesting story for which once this really quick. I wrote that. The IT thing's a problem, right? And I had a number of areas scouts. the guys who were on the road. And they said, oh, all the office guys now see what we're up again. One of these guys actually said to me, the internet's not strong enough in his house on a day-to-day basis to run the stuff he needs to run to do a scouting.

So he goes to a local Starbucks to do his work because they've got a stronger internet connection there. So think about that and multiply it by the amount of people that are going to need a strong internet connection and need the sort of technological resources to run an entire draft within the houses. You can see there's a lot of work ahead for teams to make it. So everything is going to run smoothly into an athlete. Good stuff, Albert.

Thank you. Awesome. Thanks, Colin. You know, Joy, that's interesting because you and I have talked about stretch the draft out one more day. And if this, and I talked to the Chargers GM, he said, I'm going to be at my house with a bunch of screens. He goes, you know, California has limitations.

Why not then, Joy, give teams longer to make a pick? meaning Wednesday, move the draft up. Wednesday is the first round. Thursday's the second round. Friday's the third and fourth round. But if everybody's got to work from their home and it's going to be, because you want some trades in this, right? Trades are fun.

If we're all going to be limited here, let's just adjust. Let's not have rigidity. Stretch the draft out another day or two. You know, one round a day for the first couple, allowing, you know, because you're going to have people at different spots in homes. I think it solves a lot of issues, and I frankly can't wait for it. Coming up next, where Colin's right, where Colin's wrong. It is a Monday, as you can see, a couple of days off.

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Oh, here we go. It is a Monday live in Los Angeles. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, Sirius XM Channel 83, all over YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Joy Taylor is joining me before we get in one minute to Colin right,

Colin wrong. Joy, how are you in a Monday? What'd you do this weekend? Oh, just chilled. You know, watch some movies. hung out. I watched The Invisible Man. I really want to see that, but I don't know. Is that a good thing for me to watch on by myself? I know. I know. It looks really good, though. Is it good?

My wife liked it more than I did. The ending's very good. My daughter and my wife liked it more than I did. But it's worth watching. I would watch it in the afternoon. I wouldn't watch it at like nine at night. I watched it in the middle of the afternoon, so it wasn't too scary. I watched the banker last night. It's really good. Oh, the banker? The banker. Is that a new one?

Yeah, I think it just came out. Anthony Mackey, Samuel L. Jackson. It's really good. Oh, the banker. Okay, I'm going to watch that tonight. Yeah, you would like it. All right. Monday night football's off for a while, so let me go to the banker.

All right, we do it every Monday. Even with no games, I got enough opinions where sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. Rick Riley in 15 minutes joining me. Let's go, John. Where Colin was right? Well, the Chicago Bears admitted finally on Friday. General manager Ryan Pace said, yeah, Nick Foles, Mitch Trubisky, open competition.

Okay, I got nothing against Mr. Trubisky. Joy and I always say this. It's not personal. But he's not a number two pick in the draft. How they picked him over Deshawn Watson. And I thought Deshawn was a B-plus prospect, not an A. He's a whiff. He threw for 3,100 yards last year.

That's with Matt Nagy, who I think is one of the really clever offensive play callers in the NFL. In Chicago fans, nobody wants to. to admit your franchise quarterback's not very good. And Chicago fans, I think, have reluctantly, privately have acknowledged, we whiffed on this. But the GM who picked him, when the GM who picks a quarterback admits, yeah, we just brought in Nick Foles and it's an open competition. What that tells you, by the way, is Nick Foles is going to be the starting quarterback for the Chicago Bears in September.

Where Colin was wrong. Multiple stories now. The Miami Dolphins prefer Joe Burrow over Tua and are willing to give up half a dozen picks to get him. I'm more of a Tua guy than a Burrow guy. There's medical concerns, obviously. But the people I talk to this weekend, they are freaking out over to his injuries. Now, I don't think he's going to drop to 20, even 15. But Joe Burrow, it should be noted, is preferred by the people I talk to in the NFL. They like Burrow more than two. All but one of the people I talk to. Now, they don't think Burrow is Troy Aikman. They think he's Tony Romo, not Troy Akeman.

Okay, but, you know, Burroughs getting, Burrow is now overwhelmingly, I would say this, the choice of the NFL executives I talked to. Where Colin was right? Well, late last week, the New England Patriots sourced that they're not interested really in any quarterback. They're going to go with Jared Stidham, who, by the way, Todd McShay said about Jared Stidham this morning,

and he is connected to the Patriots, quote, Stidham is not ready to be a franchise quarterback, in the NFL yet, unquote. That was Todd McShay this morning. So the Patriots released their Hall of Fame kicker. He will be two of their best playmaking smartest veteran linebackers,

and they're going to go with a guy that's not ready. It's not tanking. It's repositioning. They're going to get three compensatory picks next year for Collins, Van Nuoy, and Brady. They're going to move a handful of picks this year to next year. They're going to go into next year's draft

with 14 or 15 picks and trade eight of them to get a quarterback and somebody's going to bite on it. We were ahead on this story. Where Colin was wrong. Esports, people watching people play video games is not my cup of tea, but it got, on Fox, the eye racing,

is getting really nice numbers. I guess it's not just for kids in their basement eating pizza rolls. It looks like e-sports is getting decent numbers. Now, now, now, we don't have anything else right now, so there is, we are sort of confined to our houses and whatever's on that sports will take it. I don't get it.

I don't, it's too sedentary for me. I don't get watching people watch and play a video game. I do not get it, but it's done pretty well in numbers. Where Colin was right. Cowboys signed Alden Smith this week. Yeah, Alden Smith that's been out of the league for five years. Domestic violence, drinking issues, real roll of the dice. Why?

This is what happens when you pay people too much and pay people who aren't supposed to be paid yet early. The Cowboys and the Rams are having very similar trajectories. Very, very limited depth, paying a lot of money for a handful of stars and then trying to swing for the fence to catch up. Alden Smith is what you do, desperate. I'm sorry, it's a desperate move for a team that has paid. too much or is overpaid or paid too early for players. And as I've said before, the Cowboys and the Rams we saw it last year, the Cowboys are one injury away to one of their highly paid stars like Amari Cooper, Demarko Lawrence, DeMarcus

Lawrence, of being a bad football team, of being second, third in their division. So I thought it was a desperate move by the Cowboys. This is what happens when you pay early and pay too much for stars. Where Colin was wrong. I've never seen Aaron Rogers as a guy. who's going to play into his 40s. I don't think he's as obsessed with football as, say, a Tom Brady, not a knock on Brady, just a reality.

I think Aaron Rogers has a lot of interests, music, art, finance, you know, he's traveling. He's just got a lot of interest. But he did say over the weekend of the Milwaukee State Journal that he plans to play into his 40s. He said, I'm not a cliche guy that's going to talk about it year after year after year after year. He said, but you know what?

I got four years left. And if I play at a high level, I'm going to keep playing. So Aaron Rogers has set it out there to say, listen, I'd like to play into my 40s. I just, I've never seen Aaron as a guy. I think he's committed to football. I would never deny that.

And I think he's still very, very good. I've never seen him as a guy that aspirationally needs football. I think he's a smart guy that's got a lot of interest. It's actually good for the NFL. He's a good talking point. Where Colin was right. Jadavian Clowny. Still in the market.

I like defensive players. But there's very, few in the NFL that I would pay big money for. Aaron Donald, I'd pay big money. Stefan Gilmore Corner, I'd pay big money. You know, Ed Reed in his prime, I'd pay big money. Troy Palomalu. But Jadabian Clowney, again, he's a highlight reel, but he's not a consistent pass rusher, never had double-digit sacks, had some injury stuff. Look at who is on the market. It's a lot of defensive guys right now. We'll talk about Cam Newton. It's a lot of defensive guys who are talented, people just don't want to pay for them. And also, the defensive side of the

football is more physical. You blow stuff up, right? You go into, you just put your head down and blow stuff up. The reality is guys get hurt more. And so the Janavian Clowny on the market, outside of Seattle, not huge interest, pay for quarterback, left tackle, a great corner. Then there's very few people I'm paying for in the NFL. Where Colin was wrong. Tom Brady, I figured it Tom Brady, he could care less about his number. I mean, Kobe changed his number. LeBron's changed his number. Michael Jordan's change his number. Tom Brady is not going to change his number. Wide receiver, Chris Godwin, clearly feeling a little bit of heat, decided to give Tom Brady his number. Now, I'm not a sports traditionalist. So I had no problem, Brady going down there and wearing 14 or 10.

I'm, you know, Derek Jeter wore two. If he had a worn eight, I'm okay. I'm not a guy that cares about. If Michael Jordan can change numbers, I'm totally okay with anybody changing numbers, but Brady got the number he wanted. Where Colin was right? Finally, I almost feel guilty because this is too easy, but, you know, we have no sport. So, Gronk, as predicted, is probably the single greatest fit as an athlete becoming a pro wrestler. Personality, goofiness, corkiness, size, looks, energy, body. In my life, we said, this guy was made for double-resolution.

W.W.E. And he got a title this weekend, the 24-7 championship. Even his name, Gronk, Rock, the Rock, Stone Cold, Gronk. This one's too easy to take a right for. But in the history of sports, there's never been an athlete that you looked at and went, oh, that's a pro wrestler, who's faking it as a tight end. He's really a pro wrestler first, who just happens to be one of the three best tight ends I've ever seen in my life. I've got so many stories I've written down today. We've got so many things going on.

Very encouraging news out of New York City and Italy about a decline. That doesn't mean social distancing should not be followed and enacted throughout the country, especially in some of these places like Florida and Georgia that got a late start to their stop. Social distancing works clearly, obviously. It's the thing we should all, I still think you should be allowed to get in your car. If you live in Oregon and go in a nice drive with your wife for two hours, we're not a police state. But social distancing works. And there's some really encouraging news this morning.

The stock market's up 1,000. Now that doesn't, you know, stock market. It was weird last week. The stock market went up big when we announced like unemployment numbers going way up. I can never figure out the market. But it does show you there's some optimism this morning on the market. Rick Riley's around the corner. Do you own or rent your home? Sure you do. Fortunately, GEICO makes it easy to bundle your home and your auto insurance. Good thing too because having a home is hard work.

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a sportscaster Hall of Fame, too. He's got a new book out coming to paperback. He'll get to that in the second. I called him the other day because I knew he spent about half the year in Italy. And I have a good friend, John Henderson, who's a sports writer formerly at the Denver Post, I think, and he lives now in Rome. So I've been talking to him two or three times a day. So very encouraging news coming out of Italy from my friend John.

And Rick, it lives in California, but also in Italy. And Rick is now joining us. So you were last there in the fall, so obviously this was not an issue. But Italy is a very unique place, Rick. It has an older population. It is very, you know, it's multi-generational living. What was your takeaway on now? There's very, very optimistic news out of Italy this morning,

but your takeaway on Italy and how they handle the situation? Well, it's just so sad. You know, we have so many friends there. And, you know, I know, and I talk to John, too, and he's like, great news today. Only 700 people died. I'm like, John, you know, I know it is kind of good news. In any other moment, that would be a national tragedy. Things are getting better.

My first thought was, we in Italy have so many Chinese tourists. And they did so many of them, and always in groups of 100 and 150. And also mothers and grandmothers live with their, especially young men. They can be 30, 40 years old still live with their mothers. Yes. And every Sunday, the whole family gets together. grandmother, great-grandmother. And I think that's really contributed to Italy.

But we're going back as we can because those are great people and they're going to need our help. Yeah. So, hey, golf announced it's reconfiguring the 2020 schedule. You can obviously play golf without fans, although there's nothing quite like, you know, U.S. Open, guy drains a 25-foot pot. But what was your initial reaction to golf saying,

listen, we're going to have the Masters. It's going to be in November. And they're kind of leading the way on this. saying we're going to play. Well, a lot of things, a lot of things. For one thing, playing golf without fans, I mean, I've been out there 40 years. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people behind the green for Tiger,

just let the ball hit them. So the ball stays on green. I mean, I can't tell how many times I've seen players where if you and I hit so far in the spinach, it would be impossible to get out. It's all trampled down because of the fans. Right. So in a lot of ways, it's going to be harder.

Golf with a fan is going to be really interesting. The other thing is, in November, Augusta, having been there in November, I was just checking it, it's about 10 degrees cooler. Yeah. And Tiger with his back and knees, that's not good for Tiger. He doesn't know when he gets the sweat and go through three shirts like he did at St. Louis, PGA. So to me, that's not a good break for Tiger, but I'm really glad that.

They're playing it. The guy that I think is going to, I mean, it wouldn't be a bad. It's full because I've been to Phil's house and he has his own driving range, 320 yards to the fence. He's got three to putting green. He's got a bunch of chipping green. He gets out there and just hits and practices up. But he's got a golf cart with a cable, a satellite dish on it so he can watch football

and bet. So, I mean, he is going to come back pretty. pretty sharp, I think, as far as this practice game. Yeah. Now, that's what you're hearing about some of these NBA guys, you know, the guys that have made tens of millions of dollars that have home gyms. You know, I mean, it's an advantage for a rookie kids on a rookie contract that's living in a really nice townhome, but he can't go to the townhome gym. So I do, and I think, you know, it's funny.

You and I both, I think you and I both agree. I do think it's important for the NFL to come back, and I do think you could play it without fans. But, you know, I think of you as a kind of a smart, progressive guy, but I'm being told that you do believe the NFL should come back. Well, getting back to the basketball thing, did you see Steph Curry had to put up his own hoop in his driveway? He did?

Took him five hours. And he said he was just flummoxed by the instruction. The greatest shooter in history, and he's having to put up his own driveway hoop. I just love that. Yeah. This thing is the great equalizer. I would love to see all sports come back with no fans, especially the NBA,

because I would love for Marv Albert to be on the table, right? And D'Andre Jordan's at the line. DeAndre Jordan, 47% career putrid free-throw shooter. And Jordan would turn to go, you know, I can hear you, Marv. You have to say that every time? I wouldn't you think it'd be fascinating? Because, first of all, you and I both know the NFL's better on TV anyway. TV anyway. Baseball is better in person, hockey better in person, but football for sure

better on TV. So why not? Yeah, and also I think, you know, I said this earlier, maybe I was too glib, but I said, you know, local weatherman can't, with Doppler radar, can't predict the weather next week. We're all trying to on April 5th predict what's going to happen September 10th. There's signs today in New York and Italy that there is a massive flattening of the curve. So, you know, week to week day to day. I don't know what's going to happen. I think we should just sit back and not make bold predictions for September 10th. Well, I don't know what your definition of massive is, Colin,

but New York had a slight tiny dip. I think everybody in New York says it's still six, seven days away the peak. In here in Southern California, they're talking about 10 to 12 days to the peak. So, yeah, I mean, I was dying for sports. I was walking the dog the other day, and I saw this is kind of crazy. I saw two teenage boys throwing the football in the alley. And I kind of just stopped to watch. I realized my sports brain was starved.

And I'm like, you know, I like the redhead. I don't like his footwork. I like his, and the other guy, I'm like, I'd like to see him catch it more with his hands and his body. And then I realized they were looking at me like, we need to call social services. No, listen, it is, you know, California living is different than, like an urban environment like New York. So I've gone for long walks every day with a mask. And, you know, the beach is closed here in L.A. But it is, it is interesting.

I'm finding myself enjoying the little things more. I've never spent this much time with my, my 19-year-old daughter. So there are some things about this that I'm really changed. By the way, I've watched every sports documentary in the last 20 years, and I watched about a third of them. I've watched all of them now. Oh, I know. Dude, I tell you, I was thinking about what will I do,

the first day this is over. And I thought, A, wear a shirt with buttons. B, put my watch back on because time means nothing now. I'm going to give the toilet paper a really good spin. Because right now I'm rationing it like I'm in World War II. And then I'm going to go play golf, run the beach, watch a live game. I mean, I would sell my sister to anybody now to see a Texas Valero open, wouldn't you? I mean, I'm really, I'm really, I just. just not down with watching replays. I got to see live sports. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, listen Rick, and I've said this about the NFL draft. So I talked to a GM

yesterday about the draft, and he said, listen, I got to do it from my home because my state's not going to allow social gatherings. He said, so I'm going to have eight screens in front of me. If my wife comes in the room to bring me a coffee and trips and unplugs it, I can't make a draft pick. So I think they should

stretch the draft out, give teams 10 to 12 minutes per pick, first, second, third round. And I do think. I think the draft will have two to three times the size of the audience it's ever had. I really do. Let me ask you this, Colin. Have you thought about this? You don't think some team, maybe a certain one in Boston, might be figuring out how to hack other people's Zoom feet? Oh, come on. You don't think so? No. You don't think there's people like, they can hack your phone right now. Don't think it'd be easy to hack a Zoom feed? Like, what are we going to do?

Well, it could be crazy. Let me ask you about this. So speaking of documentaries, you were the heart of the Michael Jordan years, and ESPN's got this doc on MJ. And I think most people believe he's the most relentless player I've ever seen. He's the best pure score outside of probably Wilk basketball has ever seen. You know, there was a little darker side to Michael. He wasn't know was a great teammate. How did you, like when I covered Mike, I didn't, I saw a lot of media worship. And maybe I'm just a little more jaded or cynical. I always was like, you know, he's not the world's greatest guy all the time. What was your? What was your Stanso was on MJ in his prime in the glory days?

He just wanted to take your heart and rip it out of your heart, even if you were a teammate. I can remember him ruining a rookie because he wanted to play $100 three and he would just mock the guy every day, every afternoon after practice and just take this guy's paycheck. And the guy was ruined. His jumper was ruined because Jordan was mocking him. He would pass people on the shoulder at 120 going up to Dan Ryan. He's just, he's not interested in anything other than killing you. I can remember in Barcelona, we'd go out every night with Bart.

And there'd be, you know, 100 people following us. And every now and then I'd say, what's Michael doing tonight? Same thing as always playing cards with his high school buddies. All he wanted to do was defeat you. And so that made him incredibly compelling. I can remember that the season where they won, what was it, 72 games. Yeah, yeah. There'd be one time, I stayed with him for a week on the,

the road. One time there was a woman hiding in the closet of his hotel room. She had rented it the night before. She had a friend at the hotel who knew which room he'd go in, and she jumps out of the closet to get an autograph. There was a guy laid down in front of the bus tires so that they couldn't move until Jordan came out and gave him an autograph. I mean, it was madness. So I'm really looking forward to it, and I think that was a no-brainer to move this documentary up. Yeah, you know, It's funny. Who are we talking to last week? And we said, LeBron's great, but I don't think of him as cool.

There's a million things about LeBron I love. Michael was the best player, the most decorated player, the most productive player. He was also the most fashionable player and the coolest player. And it is, you know, like Tom Brady was the most productive, but he's not the coolest. He's not the most fashionable. The only person I can compare to Michael is Muhammad Ali in my entire life. What about you? I think Tom Brady has patented cool.

I think he's the coolest guy walking the planet. I think he's the guy that every man wants to be and every woman wants to be with. But going back to Jordan, I mean, I've covered both Jordan and LeBron, and it's not even close because if you remember, Jordan would, everybody respected the process with him. So you wouldn't talk to him until he's shower. Then he'd go in the trainer's room and put on his three-piece suit, and it would be perfect.

And then he'd come out, and he would say, stand there and everybody would wait until he said okay I'm ready and then he would answer every question he was a complete pro now because we put him on the cover of SI saying bag it Michael missing a baseball he wouldn't talk to anybody at SI but when his one of his favorite guys was his bodyguard and he was dying and he wanted he wanted to talk about him so I talked to him through the crack in the training room door so no one could see him talking to me but he He could really be a great man with a big heart. Often he could be very petty.

I don't know if you remember right, Thompson's story about him. He'd do ads, and he had this woman in L.A. who made him his favorite brownies. And so they'd call him to the set, right? He had the favorite brownies sitting there. He would lick all the brownies, so nobody would steal a brownie from it. Oh, God. I mean, you know, that's him. Yeah, I mean, you know, that's, you know, it's funny about, you know, I've said this before,

work-life balance. When you look up, if you Google what creates happiness, nobody ever says work-life balance. Like, people that are driven are often very happy. They're often very selfish. I always looked at Michael as kind of a flawed guy, but it's almost like the rock star. You almost have to be to be that brilliant. To be Michelangelo, to be brilliant, you're flawed, you're often selfish, you know, annoying, obtuse. So I didn't worship Jordan, and I've been very critical of him. I'm as impressed with the LeBron story as I am the Michael story. I think LeBron's easier to

be around. Do you, if you could choose one to interview, which is more interesting, LeBron or Michael. Oh, LeBron for sure. I think he's his life story. His life story. A father in jail. A mother that he admits who had

drug problems who would steal his shoes in high school and take him to sell them. I mean, he should not have been the great, incredibly charming leader that he is. And yet he is. He takes care of everybody, press, players. He's the leader of the league for sure.

And Jordan really didn't want that. Jordan really didn't like being as famous as he was. He did it. But I think LeBron embraces it much more. I still think Jordan's the better player. I think the best passer for sure is LeBron, but Jordan is better defender, better shooter, better in the clutch, better, more of a winner. But hey, the second isn't bad to Michael Jordan.

By the way, you got a new book out. Actually, Commander and Cheat, How Golf Explains Donald Trump, it's the paperback version coming out. Is it tomorrow or Thursday? Yeah, good timing, huh? Tomorrow? Yeah. Perfect time to launch a book. Luckily, there's Amazon.

But I had so many stories, Michael. I mean, Colin about Trump. cheating that, I mean, people would email me. They'd stop my car. They would text me. I must have had 100 new stories about things he would do. And it's not a political book. It's just how golf explains the guy.

For instance, so I had to write a whole new chapter, just about crazy stories. For instance, he makes his caddies carry four-inch green teas in their pocket so that when he hits it in the rough and his opponents on the other side of the fairway, he can tee it up. People are always amazed. Like they always say, I play with Trump, man. He's good out of the rough. Well, now we know. And there's a million stories like that. And it's available on Amazon.com,

but I think all the bookstores are pretty much closed. Yeah. I think they are for now. Hey, are you going back to Italy? When? I mean, it looks like I don't really, I don't see how we can put 70,000 people in a stadium now when we know that this thing may come back in the fall.

How can we do that, Colin? Oh, I don't think they're going to have. football and you say, well, let's do it without fans, but what are you doing when the first guy test positive? Well, because I think we're going to try to go beginning in September through Thanksgiving, because they need our help, man. Well, you know, my theory on that has always been, you can't worry about perfection when you're, I mean, like in America, for instance, we know this is not the flu, obviously.

We don't, we don't cancel stuff because of the flu. But we have 38,000 car deaths a year, and we don't stop driving. we manage teen car deaths. It's awful. I don't think you can go into a league saying nobody will get it. If anybody could get it and be healthy, it'd be a 27-year-old defensive end in the NFL. I don't think you can be paralyzed by perfection

when you're dealing with a pandemic. You just learn to manage it smartly, efficiently. And I do believe we are going to have in the next 30 days, from what I read last night, we are going to have the ability to test people quickly so you're negative, you're in. You're positive, you're quarantined. And that's five and a half months out.

I mean, but the one thing about your car crash metaphor is the car crash victims don't fill up the hospital. Right. Nobody else, you get a heart attack, you get stabbed, you can't get in there. It doesn't kill nurses. It doesn't kill doctors. So, but you're right. You know this is coming again. You know there's going to be contagion in the next.

So what do we do next time? Do we shut down the world? I don't think we can do it again. So there's a thing called vertical quarantine. In other words, you take the most at-risk people, in this case it would be old people, diabetics, people with heart problems, and you quarantine all them, and you get really strict. It's a law. And then you try to go on with your life.

I don't know if it'll work. I just don't know what choice we had this time, but I think next time we've got to really consider, are we going to shut down the world? Yeah. No, and I think America has generally been pretty good. we make a lot of mistakes and can be inefficient and arrogant, but we're pretty good at solving problems rapidly. We are.

That's what we do. We have a dynamic, you know, we've got a dynamic business model. And so we solved. But we didn't do it rapidly this time. We wasted about six weeks. Right. I mean, Korea, South Korea and us had the, they called day one the day when you have a hundred positive tests.

Right. South Korea and the United States had the same day. they started with 100. And look at us. We have now 27% of the world's cases. We only have 4% of the population. So I know you want to believe we're problem solvers. But right now we're kind of a big, dumb country led by a big dumb guy who doesn't seem

to want to take the range of this thing. Well, I'm optimistic. I do think we solve problems. I also think we misstep and get into a lot of problems all the time. We do. We do. Rick Riley, 11-time National Sports. rider of the year. It's great talking to you. I get these long

interviews now because I'm not, you know, we don't have games so I can talk to people for 25 minutes. It was great talking to you. I was wondering. This is unbelievable. Yeah. Thank you. It's 36 holes of golf in one day. There you go. Rick Riley. Thanks, man. See you soon. You bet. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm an optimistic guy, and I think we

misstep all the time, and I don't think you can seek perfection in life. I think you have to just manage, I manage everything. I manage kids. My wife manages me. I manage my show. I manage my time. I manage my health. I manage everything. I think you just get into a situation where I think you try to be aggressive, you try to manage it. I don't think running from stuff and hiding from stuff is the answer.

But, you know, I'm an optimist. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm way off. Here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, Dedevian Clowny is still on the free agency market.

And the Browns have emerged as a team to watch out for. Cleveland has reportedly shown interests. In the defensive end, they may have gotten closer with Clownie than any other. team, but nothing has ultimately come from the recent talks as of yet. A recent report from Jeremy Fowler also said that the Seahawks offer hasn't been what Clowny wants. He's also been connected to the Titans and the Jets as well. He reportedly lowered his asking price from $20 million to $17 to $18 million.

He's kind of up against it for a couple reasons. Firstly, he is an injury prone player. He's only played a full 16 game season once in 2017. and as we know, nobody can evaluate anyone right now. Right. Something is a similar issue that Cam Newton is running into. Amongst the fact that, you know, if you're looking at production, it's a little misleading. He has three sacks and four four fumbles in 13 games and 31 tackles last year.

He's not a big sack guy, but he is great against the run and very valuable and a disruptor. He's just not very consistent. That's right. So that's the issue with Clowny. I feel like the Browns are an interesting place for him. I like the Browns defense. He's not going to get the money that he was demanding before. Listen, if you're Cleveland and you're looking around right now at Big Ben coming back

and the Baltimore Ravens, I mean, I got to taste that. If the Browns land Clowny, so just think of the upgrades to the Ravens' defensive front, Klaus Campbell. Think of how good the Steelers Young defensive front was. And now the Browns get Miles Garrett and Clowny. Joe Burrow is entering a division which may have three of the top five defensive fronts in the NFL. I'm not anti-Joe Burrow, but you get to a point where this, because Cleveland's defensive line is actually the strength of their team, not their wide receivers. You start, I mean, I'm telling you this.

That division, Cleveland could be significantly better this year than last and have a worse record because they go 0 and 4 in division. I mean, that's how good that division is. No, AFC North is very competitive right now. So at 36 years old, Aaron Rogers still believes he has a lot of good football left in him. He is seeing other older quarterbacks extend their careers, and he hopes he can do the same. You look at what Tom's doing and still able to play at his age and play at a high level. And obviously, what Drew is done and Phil, you know, getting an opportunity.

to keep rolling in indie. Of course you do. Now, my thing is, your legacy is really important and having the opportunity to do it all on Green Bay would mean a lot to me. I understand that, you know, the kind of the track record of our squad, you know, there's been times where we've had veteran players and they've finished elsewhere, and I get it. I'd like to make that decision easy for them, and the only way to do that is to keep playing at a high level and give them no choice, but to keep bringing you back. I feel confident right now. Maybe 40 when the deal ends. I feel like I could keep going after that the way things have been going. Good for us.

Good talking point. Good player. He'll be a free agent in 2024 when he is 40 years old. So we could end up seeing a situation similar to Tom Brady with Aaron Rogers at that point if he's playing at that level. I mean, I don't even consider Aaron Rogers being close to retiring. But again, he's 36 years old, 24 or several years from now. So, you know, there's a lot to take into consideration there. I think Tom Brady, Drew Brees have kind of closed the door on that conversation.

If you're playing, if you are of that level of player and you take care of your body, how old you are is really irrelevant. It really is. It's how you're playing. Yeah, I mean, Russell Wilson, these guys spend in a million, two million dollars on their body. It's, there's no question. It's just a different world now. Yep.

They're not taking the hits. It's totally different. So the 2020 basketball Hall of Fame class was announced this weekend. Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, and Kevin Garnett headline this year's class. NBA star to make a catchings will also be included along with coaches Rudy Tom Johnovich Eddie Sutton Kim Mulkey and Barbara Stevens and contributor Patrick Bauman Vanessa Bryant spoke about Kobe's class and said it was an incredible accomplishment and honor we're extremely proud of him obviously we wish he was here

with us to celebrate but it's definitely the peak of his NBA career and every accomplishment he has had an athlete with a stepping stone to be here so incredibly proud of him. They will, nine new members of the Basketball Hall of Fame will be enshrined in Springfield at a ceremony in August. I've been there. You've been there? I have not, no. Cool. I've been to the NFL Pro Bowl Hall of Fame. Yeah. NBA's got a little basketball court in there. My daughter played a game one time and they got, when I was in Connecticut, Springfield Mass, up the road. Neat. It's really nice. Nice facility. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. By the way, I said the Browns would go O-N-4 in division.

I meant 0 and 4 against the Steelers and Ravens combined. They're going to beat Cincinnati this year, I think, both times. Coming up next, I gave my staff, well, I didn't tell them they had to. I said, let's do a study. The first heard study ever on NFL quarterbacks and the ones coming into the draft. And I'll give you the results of our study. We sound like Oxford. We do it, Cambridge.

We're doing studies here. And why, more than ever, people, who run NFL franchises should remember one thing about the top five quarterbacks in this draft. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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I gave this to Alex. I said, let's do a study on this. I have a theory on these quarterbacks that where they go is more important than how talented they are. So here we go, Joy, I did a study. I said, all right, let's go back 20 years. So that's a broad study. We went back two decades, 20 years.

And we took drafted quarterbacks most in the first round, but we put it at Russell Wilson in there and a DAC in there. Quarterbacks drafted and allowed to start for the team that drafted them fairly quickly. And then we went back number three, and we looked at the franchise. In the previous five years before the franchise drafted that said quarterback, how many times do they make the playoffs? and here's what we found. 20 years

quarterbacks drafted and allowed to play for that franchise and a lot of first rounders, mostly first rounders. And then how good was the franchise you landed in the previous five years were a playoff franchise or a winning franchise? So the quarterbacks who landed in the most successful franchises. And I'm going to count Aaron Rogers here, although he wasn't allowed to play for three years, but you can or can't count them.

It doesn't matter. the guys that landed with the most successful franchises before they got there. Brady? Patriots had three winning seasons in five years. Aaron Rogers, they had five winning seasons. Jay Cutler Broncos, Andrew Luck Colts, Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots, Deshawn Watson, Texans, and Patrick Mahomes' Mahomes' Chips. They all ended up with winning franchises.

Well, what do you know? Mahomes is a legend. Brady's a legend. Rogers is a legend. Luck was on his way to being a legend. Deshawn Watson's very good and Garopolo got to a Super Bowl. So now let's look at the quarterbacks who went to franchises that had some success, not totally dysfunctional, but not great either. Oh, Michael Vic, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, Russell Wilson, Dak, Carson, Carson Wentz, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.

Not as many Super Bowls. Big Ben is in there. So you have a couple. Eli's in there. But I don't think Eli's regular seasons have been anything to speak of. So what do you get with the guys who landed at moderately successful organizations? You get some winning, not as much as the Brady Rogers, Patrick Mahomes is going to win, but you get some winning. Now let's go to the quarterbacks who were drafted to Greece fire organizations.

Two of them, two of them are going to get a lot of Hall of Fame votes and both had to leave their franchises. Drew Breeze and Carson Palmer, those are the two best. They both had more success leaving. Carson Palmer has an all-time losing record in Cincinnati, a much better winning percentage in Arizona. So Breeze and Palmer were gifted enough to move away from their initial lousy team and become Hall of Fame-level players. The rest of it is a series of talented guys who couldn't overcome the mess.

Daniel Jones, Darnold, Baker, Tribisky, Gough, James Winston, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tanyhill, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Matt Stafford, who still never won a division. Philip Rivers. A lot of them are talented, but they couldn't overcome the mess. So the point being, we went back 20 years. We looked at guys that were drafted and allowed to start pretty early. The only one that really didn't win a bunch was Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler last 20 years went to a good team. The Denver Broncos had had four winning seasons, previous five, and he was about a five-under quarterback. He had talent, but the new coach Josh McDaniels didn't like him. Outside of that,

It's a lot of winners. The next group, semi-successful organization, a couple Super Bowls, some winners, but not as much success. And the lousy teams, only Drew Brees and Carson Palmer, are going to get Hall of Fame votes and both had to leave their organizations. Translation, that's why I'm critical of Joe Burrow. Not him, he's a B-plus prospect. I see him like Deshaun Watson, a B-plus prospect.

But I don't think Joe's talented enough playing the Ravens twice, the Steelers twice, and the Browns defensive front. twice to overcome it. I think he's going to get beat up a lot, and he's not going to be nearly as good as a number one quarterback would be. Now, if he got traded down to Miami, who I like their coach more and the organization slightly more, he'd have more success. If he got traded down even further to a Chargers, a team ready to win now, I think he'd be a Hall of Fame level kind of guy. He'd be Deshaun. He'd be a Pro Bowl guy. So when you look at all these quarterbacks, they've all got an issue. Burrow didn't have a great arm. Two has got a medical issue. Justin

Herbert's not good off script. I would say, Jordan. Love is seen as a little immature, a little young, a little loose, got to tighten it up. And then there's Jacob Eason, who is just a pocket guy, can't move at all. Big arm pocket guy. What's it mean? Where they go is going to matter. Where they go is going to matter. And remember this.

Carson Palmer is way more talented than any of these guys in this draft. Carson Palmer is the most talented USC quarterback they've ever had in L.A., where half the country gets the quarterbacks in California. You. Carlson Palmer was 6-4, rocket arm, good body, could move. He was perfect. Pete Carroll lucked out. He gets a job with USC and he inherits Carson Palmer. That's why Pete could turn it around by the middle of year two, Carson Palmer. So it just goes to show you, you're not, there's no Carson Palmer in this draft. Burrow doesn't have his arm. Justin Herbert doesn't have his off-script talent. Two is not as big or as medically safe. Jacob Eason's not close in talent. Jordan Love does.

doesn't have his notches on the belt. So there's no Carson Palmer in this draft. There is not. And Carson Palmer had to leave to have a higher winning percentage. So it tells you, I'm not critical of Joe Burrow. I think he's a very, very solid B plus quarterback prospect. He's not Lway. He's not Carson Palmer.

He's not Andrew Luck, but he's very, very good. But can he overcome Cincinnati? Right now they easily have the fourth best roster just in their division. Hour three, Jalen Smith of the Cowboys, around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Ah, here we go. Hour three, we are live in really wet, windy, and rainy Los Angeles. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. Jalen Smith of the Cowboys in 15 minutes. It's interesting.

I was reading a story, some old newspaper stuff from the L.A. Times. And there was a story in the L.A. Times in January, Joy, early January, where Loma Linda Hospital had tents outside. There was this flu going around in January, and people were losing their smell, seriously, and had these chest pains. And a woman or two in the story said, it's like no flu I've ever had. This was January. January 10th in Los Angeles, the LA Times, which has done a really good job. The LA Times has been great through this. They've been measured. They've been smart. They've allowed some optimistic news to come out.

California right now has been a very good job. We're supposed to be peaking here very soon, so it's going to get a little uglier, perhaps. But it's funny, Joy, I was thinking this morning, we had an unseasonably wet March. It rained day after day in March. And I thought to myself, is one of the reasons California, at least Southern California, has not been hit as hard as other coastal areas because everybody was inside in March. It was, Joy and I were saying it was pouring every day. It rains in L.A. in January and February.

March dries out and gets warmer. Our march was, it was Seattle. It was sopping wet. And I wonder if pushing people inside may have not have been sort of a meteorological break for Southern California that people weren't out on beaches and people weren't out jogging and people weren't outside. People weren't playing tennis. I don't know. But I read that story this weekend in the L.A. Times about January.

There's a feeling that this bug was here. You know, you got 50 flights a day from China to California and the nation. It was here in January. Was there a herd immunity created? They call it a herd immunity. Not for our show, right? And I don't know. I don't know the answers to anything.

But I do think there's some very encouraging news coming out of New York today. encouraging doesn't mean anything is solved, but it is good to have you in. I did want to talk about this for a second. Scott Piole used to be in the front office for the Patriots, and he was talking about he doesn't think Bill Belichick and Cam Newton are going to work. And I've always thought something fans tend to look at players and just think talent. But it's really about fit. And I feel the same way in life.

Just because two people are beautiful doesn't mean they're going to, get along. Like, how do you fit with your partner? Is, is, are you a good listener? She's a talker, you're a listener, or vice versa. If you have two big verbal people, neither are good listeners, you don't have a good relationship. How does it work? How does it fit? So if you look at Belichick and word association, here's the words I would use with Belichick, efficient, exact, detailed, focused, intense discipline. Here's the words I would use for Cam Newton. Fun, athletic, stylish, inconsistent, distracted. They don't fit.

Fans tend to go, well, this guy's talented, and this guy's a good coach, and he's going to work. No, Cam works with Bruce Ariens, who's a little loose, a little less dogmatic, a little less into precision, have fun, let her rip. I think Cam works with Bruce Ariens. Tampa now has another quarterback. I think Cam works with John Gruden. John Gruden loves the deep ball. Loves the athlete, loves the running game.

He'd love Cam Wiggling back there. And he's also getting frustrated, we're told, with Derek Carr's inability to go over the top. So he would be willing to take Cam, who's a little less accurate and a little less consistent on medium throws, mid-range throws, for a guy that can do more big plays to complement his running game. So I think Cam Newton in Vegas feels big.

Cam's a big star. Vegas is comfortable with that. Gruden likes the big arms. the big athlete. So that could work. But Belichick and Cam, they don't fit. And I'll give you an example. The reason Brady and Belichick really worked is because they're both bizarrely focused, aspirational.

Money doesn't drive either one of them, nor does fame. Cam likes the fame part. That's okay. It's not the end of the world, but he's into that. It's the opposite of Belichick. So Brady would have worked with Parcells, who is intense, a little gruff, aspirations. big picture. You can't be driven by money. That is Belichick. That is Brady. I think when you look at the fit thing, Mahomes is great, but Andy Reid's the perfect fit for Mahomes. So Andy Reid is not one of these dogmatic guys who tries to make you his quarterback the way he wants it. And Michael Vicks told me this. Michael's a friend and Michael's told me this multiple times. Andy was the best quarterback, was the best quarterback coach and head coach. Michael ever had. And he said, Andy never asked you to do anything. You didn't like or you couldn't do.

So Andy moves up and gets Mahomes. And he's like, all right, here's what this kid does and here's what he can't do or does poorly. And Andy just develops his offense around what he does. You can make an argument that the opposite of Patrick Mahomes is Alex Smith. And he got them both into the playoffs. So it depends on the coach. A dogmatic defense first, you know, John Fawms. Vick Fangio. This thing with Mahomes would not work at the same level. So it's nothing against Cam. There are people that would, I think, work with Cam.

Bruce Ariens, he's got his guy. And John Gruden, car gets next up. They start one in four. Cam Newton's got a spot. Now, the word is, Cam is, and I thought this was smart, Cam reportedly has told those close to him. He's willing to wait. NFL draft is over.

I think in this instance, Cam, nobody else is working out. It's not like Cam's fall behind anybody. You know, I mean, so if I'm Cam, I just sit around, I just wait, I wait, he'll get a shot. He's too talented. Once you can do physicals,

he's going to pass those probably. And let's be honest, a third of the coaches in this league don't like their quarterback. Chicago doesn't like theirs and said only nice things publicly. Then went and got Nick Foles and said this past week, it's an open competition.

Camel find a fit, but let's be less consumed about, like, the talent and more about where does it work. I also was going to say this. You know, we're all going through the same thing here. California virus, New York virus. You know, New York City is a different environment than California. I can't go to restaurants I want, but, you know, I got a lot of space. I got a little backyard, like a lot of people. I got a little pool here and there, and my neighborhood's wide open.

I can walk around everywhere. I don't live in an area where I have to go up an elevator down to a subway. So this has been, you know, it's a tough situation, but I feel very, very lucky that I live in a space with, you know, a place that's got space and trails, some little tiny local trails. And it hasn't been as jarring or daunting for me that it would be for somebody like in Italy, Lombardo or somebody in New York City. But in all of these cases, I'll give you an example, what drives me nuts. Southern governors have been very stubborn on this, sometimes arrogant, you know, a Tennessee and a Florida and a Mississippi and a Georgia. Never forget, the sooner you get over it, the faster we can not only get to games but practice. And college football needs about eight weeks of practice before they play.

So that's July 1st at the latest. Well, a lot of these southern governors have been, you know, it's not that serious. you do get that college football is a massive economy in the South. And you do get, with unemployment raging, many people that will be unemployed, there'll be Southerners too, all over the country. So if you love college football, and it means a lot to you in the South, you should be upset that your governor isn't attacking the virus and social distancing. because you're going to get to a point now, California could be through their peak in seven days.

Seven to ten could be through it. Southern states who have been loose on this, much less restrictive, sometimes dismissive of it, you may not even be close to entering your peak. And once you enter it, you hit it for about 10 days. So if you get to a point where you're still dealing with this stuff in June and late June, your college football season could be wiped out. So this whole manhood, this alpha, this arrogance that, you know, it's not hitting us, had southern governors attack this early, they'd be the first out of it because they had less

infections to start. So outside of Atlanta, you don't have the population density in the south that you have in other regions like the West Coast or the Northeast. So when I see too much of this like, it's not here, we don't worry about it. Do you love college football? If you love college football, you want to flatten that curve in the next two to three weeks. Fast, not in the next two to three months. Because then that's when you're going to be too late.

You're not going to have a college football season if you're still dealing with this stuff in late July. Season's over. And remember, college football is different than pro. College football is about, can you go back to school? Can you have class? You've got a lot of people connected to college football that aren't football players. in the NFL, it's a business. You don't need fans.

You don't care about students. You don't have a university. You don't have the NCAA. You just play the games, empty stadium. You just bus them in, play, bus them out. College football needs to be even cleaner on this infection stuff. They've got to have it almost virtually wiped out. And once a college football team would have a virus, they're shutting it down.

Once you go to a college campus, they're shutting it down. Once you go to a college campus, and you have it start up again, boom, they're shutting it all down. So don't be too glib if you're in the South and have a governor that's lotty-da about this. I would say in the South, if you love college football, you want this stuff cleaned up way, way sooner than even June. June should be, I mean, you know, we've gone way past the peak. And I don't necessarily, the good news for the South, they have very warm temperatures by mid to late May, which could help. But don't be arrogant with this thing.

Like don't. There's no winner. You, you, there are real, my daughter and I had this conversation the other day. Very doubtful. She goes back to school. She just takes, she just does college this point forward at home. I mean, she, like, we're 75, 25, 25, probably won't be school. You're not going to have 42,000 people show up at a university from all different parts of the country, living together? No way. With today, coming up next, Jalen Smith Cowboys. With today's health concerns, more important than ever to take care of your body, MDrive

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not acceptable. So Joy Taylor has the ability to make her hair look wonderful at all times and has various styles. I don't use gel and so I just let my hair go and there's a lot of gray. It looks like a New England Patriots helmet.

So, listen, I know it's bad. This is me being human here. I don't have, you know, usually I put some makeup on for TV. We have makeup people. I don't have hair. I ran out of shirts last week. We're all going through this together. I have a very good life, but my hair is a disaster. And I know it. I think you're looking at this the wrong way, Colin. Really? Because most people think it's you have a toupee, which I think is insane. And now everyone knows that you have a luxurious

head of hair, and it's just going to keep growing and eventually, you know, I think you should just let it go into a mullet. I told my, I told my wife, I said, it's just, it's crazy. When we get back to the TV studio, I'm going to let it just, I'm going to let it just do its thing for about a week. And then we'll see what the audience says. Jalen Smith is on hold now going, you guys are talking about Colin's hair. You guys need to get a life. Pro Bowler, fourth year with a Cowboys, great young man, a tremendous player. Jalen Smith is now joining us.

You know, I'm thinking about no OTAs. And I think to myself, well, you just signed a big contract. So you probably have a nice house. You probably have a gym inside your house. That's the first thing I think about is once, you know, I mean, let's be honest. When you're a rookie, you don't have time. You know, you can't afford what you can afford now. Do you have a gym in your house and workout facility?

I do have, I do. I got some, you know, I ordered a Peloton about a couple weeks ago. Shout out the Pelotin. I've been getting my miles in every single day. The good thing is I purchased my home prior to my new contract. So I didn't go berserk. So I'm staying within budget. There you got.

You're a smart guy. We knew you would. But I do think, Jalen, it is an advantage for players who have been in a system who have potentially a little bit of a home gym. Do you feel a little bit of an advantage over maybe a draft pick or a first-year player? It's a luxury, being able to stay home and do a lot of things at home. However, you know, we've all got it out the mud before. That's how we say it.

When you, you know, you're outside, you're doing your push-ups, you're running around the block. And it really just, you know, it's a humbling time and taking us back to the route to where we all started. You know, seven years old, you know, having a dream to play for the National Football League. Do you, would you find a lot of? it strange to play a game maybe through September without fans? Would that be odd for you? I mean, I got mixed feelings, honestly, because it's like I've loved, like, we play this game for our fans. Why we're compensated so much because of the fans and how much, you know, viewership and attention that this game of football brings. But it's like, you know, I know the

competitive of me, you know, even if no one was there, we were just bone on bone, going against another opponent. Like, I would be, you know, very competitive and intense as well. But it's just, it's a whole different factor when you talk about, you know, fans being at it. You know, the celebrations and just the whole chemistry and then just the entertainment of it. So I got mixed feelings, man. You know, we've talked to. about this is when you're fighting something, it's not going to be seamless.

If a league started back up, there is the potential that some player could get this. Now, in the NBA, you share the same ball. In hockey, you've got more equipment on and you've got to stick before the puck, right? But if they said to you, hey, Jalen, we're going to play football, we think nobody will have it. We're going to test for everybody before the game start. But there may be somebody out there that has COVID-19. How would that land for you?

Man, I think safety, safety matters, man. This, you know, I was joking yesterday, like the millennials, man. We've been through a lot, man, 9-11, financial crisis of 08 and, you know, Ebola. I mean, even now, like, this is, we've been through some stuff, and I just think it's important that we take you serious, you know what I mean? being able to stay home and stay safe, that's pretty much the model right now. And if it ever gets to that point, we'll cross it. We'll cross it when we get there.

But right now, we've got to stay safe. Now, I'm going to the grocery store about once or twice a week. I'm wearing a mask outdoors. I did run. I do run about $5.50 in the morning on the weekend. There's nobody out. But I wear a mask. I go to the store.

And I'm trying to go out as little as possible. So instead of going, I used to go to the grocery store every day or every other day. Now I go once or twice a week. I try to go off hours if I can. For your life, when you've had to go out, are you in the wear a mask thing already? Got to. You got to wear a mask. You have to right now.

Okay. Yeah, I'm comfortable with it. I know a lot of, I see people in L.A. 75 to 80 percent have a mask. And then the other 20 percent, I think to myself, you don't understand. It's not about you. It's about giving it to somebody else. who is physically, you know, more compromised.

So have the message out there, folks. Okay, so when you look, we were talking about this earlier, that if you look at the last 20 years, with very few exceptions, Jalen, NFL players, quarterbacks, are significantly more successful when drafted if they go to a team that made the playoffs in the previous five years before they got there.

meaning even a great player is limited if the organization stinks. You went to a cowboy team that was good but not great. Do you feel your career would be different in a different place, or has Dallas been the right fit for you? I mean, for me, it's America's team. And that's my dad's favorite team growing up, prior to me getting drafted, that my older brother was playing for the cowboy. So this is the perfect place.

This is the place that I wanted to go. You know, myself, Zee, Dax, you know, Anthony Browell, we were all drafted in the same class. So, you know, we came in with the intention of trying to flip this thing around and trying to get, you know, the Cowboys and, you know, Jerry a ring. You know, it's been over, what, 24 years. It's just, it's time. But for us, it's about putting in that work.

And we've progressed each and every year, even though our rookie year, you know, with the 13 and three season, playoff, you know, without, you know, after, you know, after the first round and things of that nature. We were able to learn. And then the last three years after that, we've been able to learn. So I love America's team. I'm happy to have the extension to be able to, you know, play here. a while, but we've got to win. Jalen Smith of the Cowboys joining us.

You came from a very prestigious university, Notre Dame. But when you get to pro sports, as you well know, people come from various backgrounds. Some kids grow up with no money, some have some many middle class, slightly above or below, and they have different social experiences.

Notre Dame is a pretty exclusive club. But when you go to pro sports, the world changes. Some guys red shirts, guys play five years of college, some play three and then leave. Alden Smith has had a very good career, but there's some baggage, there's some uncomfortable stuff. When you look at that, when you look at Alden Smith, and he's going to get a second chance now with the Dallas Cowboys, how do you reconcile, listen, he's done some things in his life that I'm not comfortable with, but now he's a teammate. How do you reconcile that? He's a guy that's human. And for, for me,

me, I grew up watching them. You know, when I was in high school and college, and just admiring his great play and his tenacity, just to, it's an honor to be able to, you know, to be his teammate and him getting another chance. You know, it's our duty to together to show the world that, you know, he still got some juice. You know, you went to Notre Dame.

I was just thinking about them. My daughter's at college right now. Do you ever look back at Notre Dame? Because it is a little more strict than some schools. Mm-hmm. Do you think Notre Dame, how did it help you? Notre Dame is a prestigious university. I'm from Fort Wayne, Indiana, so it's about an hour and a half.

Notre Dame is about an hour and a half north of where I'm from. So always understanding that, you know, it wasn't a four-year decision. It's a 40-year decision. You know, the academics are rigorous. And then we're playing on the national spotlight every single weekend. So, you know, to who much is given, much is required. there was always an eye watching, and, you know, it really allows for me to be at my best the entire time. And that was the focus.

That was the main focus. And it's translated well, me playing for America's team now because, you know, we love our fans. And they're with us when we lose. They're with us when we win. But they give us a hard time. But for me, being in a competitor, I love it. I feed off of it. And just looking forward, man, to getting after this season.

But right now it's just we've got to stay safe. We've got to stay healthy. We've got to stay at home. You know, myself doing a lot to just try to help. You know, it's a lot of entrepreneurs out here where these small business companies are suffering. So for me, it's just trying to raise funds. It's donating funds myself to be able to help these companies. So very proud of everyone in this world.

Just trying to give a help. Jalen and his teammate DeMarcus Lawrence have dubbed themselves the Hot Boys. First responders, medical workers, they're serving food. They're donating local small business gift cards to nonprofits. First responders, go to gethotboys.com. And I look at that. I don't know your parents. I don't know your background.

But I always think you can tell a lot about when I meet somebody I can tell what kind of parents they had. Now, I'm not saying that everybody's got perfect parents, and there's never been a great kid from a disrupted life. But every time I read about you, you're doing stuff for other people. And that had to have been instilled at some point. That didn't happen yesterday. Where does that come from?

Definitely being raised by great parents. I'm a mama boy. So I was always observant. And it's all about lending a hand, man. I think when you're giving a lot of opportunity and you're given a lot of grace, I think it's our duty just to be able to give back to the world. My passion is putting smiles in people's faces and helping entrepreneurship. That's what I love.

And I'm just thankful and proud to be where I am today. But it's about giving back, man. the world is in need of all of us to really come together and have that unity. By the way, do you think when Jerry signed you early, do you think part of the connection with you and Jerry was, Jerry has a history of helping a lot of people. Did you think you and Jerry didn't just have a football connection? You had a human connection? Absolutely, absolutely.

Numerous conversations of us just speaking about, you know, the similar. our similarities and things of that nature. He's an idol of mine. I look up to him. But I'm an employee as well. So, you know, I value being able to perform, you know, at a high level. And just helping the team, man. It's not about me.

It's about the guys that I love and about accomplishing this one goal that we need to do. By the way, in Dallas in July, the upcoming minority, Entrepreneurship Institute Showcase. Jason, you'll be part of that. Every time I talk to you, both times I'm thinking, this guy's got his act together, and I just could not be happier

for your trajectory in your career. Fourth NFL season, pro bowler on his way to a distinguished Hall of Fame level career. Stay healthy, my man, and thanks for coming on. I appreciate you, brother. Hey, you be safe now. Jalen Smith. Yeah, you know, it is.

It's these veteran players. They get a little workout room at home. They get a little Peloton bike. It's going to matter. You're going to have a bridge season, shorten season, shortened camps, eliminated camps.

All this stuff's going to matter. Albert Breer, Rick Riley, Jalen Smith just stopped by. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. This is the herd line news. So the USGA announced today that the U.S. Open has been postponed. It was originally scheduled to start on June 18th,

but it will now begin on 7th. September 17th and go through the 20th. Oh my. Tournament will still take place at Wing's Foot Golf Club in New York. And, of course, we'll be broadcast on Fox and FS1. So I'm going to get on a Sunday NFL in the U.S. Open at Wingfoot. Oh, my God. And I'm going to get the NFL in college football in November and the Masters.

Yes, the Masters was moved to November. The PGA championship was moved to August. Oh, my God. So, yes, we're going to go from being completely barren of sports to, an absolute sports overload, which is great. And we're going to consume all of it. Because aside from obviously everything that's happening, I know myself personally will never take being able to turn the TV on

and watch live sports for granted ever again. Not that I did. No, but there's a lot of things in life. I'm like, you know what? I should do. It has made me sort of reconstruct my life a little bit. Just kind of just what matters. What matters, what doesn't.

I think that's happening to everybody. Yeah. And, you know, you have to take some perspective on everything that's happening. So a little bit of news. Tom Brady just dropped a little content for us on the Internet. He wrote an essay for the Players Tribune about his decision to leave the Patriots for the Bucks. It's a little lengthy piece worth a read. It's directed mostly towards New England fans.

It was kind of an explanation of his decision. decision, a little more deeper dive into his mentality right now. He said, right now, I have things to prove to myself. The only way is through. If I don't go for it, I'll never know what I could have accomplished. Wanting to do something is different from actually doing it. If I stood at the bottom of a mountain and told myself, I could scale the highest peak, but then didn't do anything about it, what's the point of that? So basically, you know, he talks through his experience in New England, getting drafted by New England, some of the of the things that he went through there and why he has decided at this point to try on something

new, which is, what I'm taking from it is basically he was ready for a new challenge. He did not thank Bill Belichick by name. Oh, boy. He said, but more than any one physical place, it's the relationships I made in New England that I'll miss the most. Of course, it starts with the entire New England Patriots organization and Robert Kraft and the entire Kraft family. It extends to countless other individuals who played such a valuable role in my 20 years

as a Patriot. teammates and coaches pass and present old friends new friends the neighbors we went trick or treating with every year but mostly i'll miss the fans so that's smith i don't see any bill there but um yeah so that's kind of interesting it's something certainly i'm sure several people gave it a little read over a little proof read before it hit the web so i don't think that was an accident which um you know i guess one day we'll get the whole story behind that but it seems like that situation is they're just kind of going their separate ways and doing their own little PR spin on it while not actually mentioning what the what the thing thing is yeah listen if you had a boss you and i had a boss and we had them for 20 years and there's no question they made you better but you never felt the pat on the back you'd be a little reluctant you'd be

you'd be strange if that didn't find its way into your psyche i think tom's not bitter but I do believe that article that came out at ESPN about two years ago that said many of the New England coaches felt they could have won with a lot of quarterbacks, that sticks. Joy, if I was at a company and my former boss is at the other place, I've never had any bitterness because they sent me beautiful text and beautiful emails saying, you know, we'll never be the same, blah, blah, blah, without you, it made me feel like, okay, we were in this together.

Belichick never until the end acknowledged Tommy's great. And by the way, that was probably a poke from Robert Kraft saying, you better address this now. So I'm going to back Tommy on this. We're all human. If you gave your life, and by the way, Tom sacrificed money. He sacrificed commercials. He sacrificed a lot.

What did Bill sacrifice for Tommy? Because Tommy sacrificed a lot for Bill. And the biggest thing that he probably sacrificed is ego to set your ego aside and buy into a culture and an idea and follow it blindly and support it and be the poster child for it to then not, and what it seems like, it wasn't even a behind the scenes pat on the back. Like, it's one thing to be like, okay,

I'm going to yell at you in front of the team and I'm going to treat you the same as everybody else. But, you know, when we have a meeting behind closed doors, we have a little laugh about it, like we understand this is and this is why it has to happen. It kind of seems like that never happened either. Right. So finally, Gronk hosted WrestleMania 36 this weekend,

but he also took part in the action in between matches. He jumped off a balcony and onto a group of wrestlers, which included 24-7 champion Mojo Raleigh. Gronk then pinned Raleigh to the ground to become the WWE 24-7 title holder. What do they call that a championship belt or something? They do that for celebrities, yeah. Yes. It's defended at all times and all places, so Gronk will link.

his hosting duties and left the events immediately after winning the title. That WWW. W.W.E. 24-7 championship was introduced in May of 2019. There's been 96 title changes. Some of the other winners are Ennis Cantor, Kyle Bush, and Rob Stone was once a 24-7 championship belt title holder. But look, I mean, we expected this from Gronk. Obviously, we knew who was going to be there.

I thought he did a good job. I watched a little bit of WrestleMania this weekend. I think they did an amazing job putting it on without fans. They did it at their training facility. But so much respect for all those wrestlers putting out such a great product

without having fans. When WrestleMania is 100,000 people screaming and going crazy, so to be able to still put that on a great product and Grants did an amazing job as well. He did. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd lies. The Players Tribune, Tommy, I'm going to, this will be my lead tomorrow. I got the over-unders in the Big Ten and the SEC. I'm going to go crazy on that. And Tom Brady, Players Tribune, never directly thanks, Bill. I'll say it again. I think Brady sacrificed a lot in that relationship.

I'm sure Belichick sacrificed some things, but Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback to ever play. And never was paid like it. Michael Jordan was not always the highest paid player in the NBA, but he was at one point. And Michael made a lot of money in shoes that Tom Brady doesn't. So when you ask a guy, now, I'm just going to speak for men, women may value things differently. A man's checkbook for a lot of men is a sign of respect, like pay me.

LeBron James is not taking any pay cuts for anybody. Tommy took about 10 years of pay cuts. you may want to show a little love. So you're pay cutting me. You're dropping stuff to ESPN, the magazine saying you can win with more people. You struggle to give me a game ball. I get it. Like Brady is sitting there thinking, I want to go and prove I'm good.

Like, I get it. You wouldn't be normal if that didn't bother you a little. You wouldn't, you're, I mean, I've talked to a million pro athletes, a million broadcasters. Money matters. When you're the best at something, you want to be paid like it. It matters. coming up next last week it became official there will now be seven not six playoff teams each conference

there'll be seven playoff teams each conference in the NFL starting this year who's making it playoff or takeoff that's coming up next and best for last one more herd the herd streams 24 hours a day seven days a week within the iHeart radio app search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like Relive the excitement as FS1 presents classic college football. It's 2018's unforgettable Red River Showdown between Texas and Oklahoma tonight at 8 Eastern on FS1. Good stuff. All right, best for last. Listen, seven, not six, NFL teams make the playoffs in the AFC and NFC this year.

So we decided to play a game. We do it occasionally called Playoffs or Takeoff. And now, Colin will decide if a team is headed for the playoffs. or taking off for vacation. Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. Please turn yourself in securely. It's playoff or takeoff. All right.

First team, Dallas Cowboys, takeoff. They were 8 and 8 last year. They've got a new coach. This is a real easy one. They also lost very productive players, Robert Quinn, Randall Cobb. center Travis Frederick.

It's not a playoff team. New York Giants, another easy one, takeoff. Play crew, please prepare for a takeoff. Yeah. New coach, new coordinators, new system, young quarterback, and two teams in Dallas and Philadelphia, significantly more talented. Not a playoff team.

Philadelphia Eagles, playoffs, no question. Playoffs? Added Darius Slay, a corner at their weakest position. will also draft an influx of wide receivers. Deshawn Jackson is back healthy. Fourth easiest schedule in the NFC. Two bad teams rebuilding in their division, Giants in Washington.

And also, they started last year wobbly, but finished incredibly strong. I like their momentum. Washington Redskins takeoff. We know that. They don't have a quarter of a takeoff. They don't have a quarter. That's not settled.

They got a new coach. I do think their defensive front if they draft Chase Young is formidable, but that alone is not making you a playoff team. Chicago Bears hate to say it, but take off, not playoffs. Yeah, only made the playoffs once in the last decade. They do not have a first round pick, and they need some offensive line help. Kyle Long retired.

Last year, they played eight teams with a winning record. and they were two and six, both wins against Minnesota, a team they matched up well against. How about Detroit? That's an easy one. Take off. Yeah. Matt Patricia is 9, 22, and 1 as a head coach.

They won nine games three years ago, six games two years ago, and three games last year. And if you look at their schedule, second toughest in the NFC. Green Bay Packers, good news, playoff team. Playoffs? I don't think this is terribly. tough. 13 and 3 last year.

Aaron Rogers, last 11 years, 10 winning seasons. They also have the second most draft picks, 10 in the NFC, so they will shore up their defensive front and linebacking cores. They're going to be a playoff team. Minnesota, same thing. Playoffs? 12

draft picks is the two first rounders. This is the way the smart teams work. Green Bay and Minnesota are good teams, and they both have a ton of draft picks. New England's been a good team. They got a ton of draft picks. Also, Kirk Cousins came off his best year. I think Minnesota, though they lost Everson Griffin and Stefan Diggs, still an argument, top three roster in the NFL.

Atlanta Falcons, close, but I would say a takeoff there. First of all, they were lousy last year, almost last in the NFL in yards rushing a game. They did add Todd Gurley, but they lost Vic Beasley, they lost Austin Hooper, they lost Yvante Freeman, they lost Desmond Truffant. Their schedule with Tom Brady in the division is now arguably the hardest. schedule in the entire NFC. Carolina Panthers take off. I like their quarterback, Teddy B, and I like their coach. Luke Keeckley gone, Greg Olson gone, feels like a little bit of a rebuild.

They could be the best fourth place team in any division in the NFL, but they still feel like a fourth place team. New Orleans Saints feels pretty good in a year we're battling the virus, no camps. I would say a playoff team for the Saints. I've doubted them for a long time, but the reality is they added two players I really like. Smart veteran players. Malcolm Jenkins at safety, Emmanuel Sanders. These are smart veterans, leaders on one on each side of the ball.

They walk in immediately and have an impact. This is really smart. There's some spots where this team is young. But boy, wide receiver, Emmanuel Sanders, and Malcolm Jenkins. These are locker room guys in an already good locker room. they'll have an impact year one. Tampa Bay. Tommy's making the playoffs.

Playoffs? They had 35 turnovers from the quarterback position. If they go down to 15 with all that young talent, they'll win. I do not think they'll have a great September. I think like New England teams, they'll get much better late October, November, December, or December, or January. Arizona, a lot to like, but take off. Divisions brutal.

Defense needs a lot of work. And let's be honest. They face Russell Wilson twice, Kyle Shannon Garoppolo twice, Sean McVeigh and Jared Goff twice. That's just a tough. They could end up, you know, they could be like the Cleveland Browns this year where I like them, and I think they're better than last year significantly, and they finish in third or fourth place because the division's too tough.

L.A. Rams, takeoff. Flight crew, please prepare for takeoff. Jared Gop, now the highest cap hit in the NFL. They lost Clay Matthews, Todd. Gurley, Dante Fowler. Again, they remind me the Cowboys, where I get a lot of stars, but

they lose, I mean, if Aaron Donald got hurt, what kind of defense is that? I mean, honestly, when you have very little depth, and they also don't have a lot of first round pick, so I don't have a lot of guys that are going to draft and they're going to be huge impact guys.

I do think their own line will be better this year because they suffered injuries, guard, center guard. San Francisco go 49ers, I feel pretty safe saying playoff. Playoffs? Great coach. Jimmy Garoppelos, 21 and 5 as a starter. They also

let go of DeForest Buckner to the Colts, but they have now two first round picks. So they've shown a history of being able to land that first round pick, so I think San Francisco is in a good spot. And I will say I'm not a Seattle Homer. I never see myself as a Seattle homer, but the Seahawks,

I think maybe the most underrated team in the NFL playoffs. playoffs. Do we realize last year, if not for cluster injuries at running back? This was the one team in the NFC joy that matched up with San Francisco in the playoffs. They added Greg Olson. Quentin Dunbar is a very good corner. They've never had a losing season. I think we forget because of that Green Bay game, they literally lost all their running backs.

And one of their offensive linemen, Seattle's ready to go. And their draft last year, they brought in like seven, eight. First, second, third, fourth round young guys. Looks like most can play. All right. Tom Brady, Players Tribune, good stuff. We'll talk about that tomorrow. Caesars came out with college football futures.

We'll talk about that tomorrow. Joy, it's pouring rain. Watch the invisible man. Oh, okay. I will. And I'm going to watch The Banker. Is that Europe or America? Where's that set at?

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