The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NBA Finals, fan behavior, Raiders, Baker Mayfield, and free agency

Episode Date: June 6, 2019

Colin breaks down what game 3 of the NBA Finals proved, horrible fan behavior, more drama for the Oakland Raiders, why Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield made a mistake, and his thoughts on NBA free agency. Guests include Ric Bucher, Kendrick Perkins, Steve Fisher, and Paul Azinger. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We've got breaking news. We'll get to that in about five minutes. Stick around. How are you, Joy? Doing great. We're right about that game. last night. We both were. Yeah, we thought Toronto would win the game. You know, it's been, it's been now officially proven that if the Warriors don't have the best player in the world and maybe

the 10th best player in the world, they can't beat a really good Toronto team. But I want to start with this. Last night was a three and a half hour advertisement for the Boston Celtics and the Golden State Warriors. For Kyrie Irving to stay in Boston and for Kevin Durant to stay in Golden State. Steph Curry at an all-time night, 47 points, little guy, eight rebounds, seven assists, almost perfect from the free throw line, six to 14 on threes, 45% from the field, being double-teamed, and having the ball 43 minutes, only three turnovers. It was absolutely magnificent.

And even with Steve Kerr as a head coach, even with Draymond Green, Iggy and Cousins, and even being at home, game wasn't really that competitive. And Kyrie Irving, you want to leave all that talent, Brad Stevens, that arena, that history, go play by yourself in Brooklyn? Oh, that's adorable. Kevin Durant, you want to go to New York, play with Kevin Knox? That's just cute. But calling they could play together.

So what? Steph Curry last night had Draymond Green, Iggy, Steve Kerr at home. It's not like Steph was out there with a bunch of scrubs. Draymond Green's going to be a Hall of Famer. Steve Kerr's going to be a Hall of Famer as a coach. Game wasn't competitive at home. By the way, Steph Curry could do what he did last night all the time. He could be Westbrook.

He could be Harden. But the reason Steph Curry recruited, actively recruited Kevin Durant was last night. Because you can drop 47, eight assists, seven rebounds, almost no turnovers, 43 minutes, 13 to 14 free throws. hit a bunch of threes, almost 50% from the floor with a Hall of Fame coach and Dramon and Iggy, and it's not competitive. Spectacular, you the man, loser. By the way, LeBron James last year, so I left Cleveland, had a 51-point game in the finals,

game one. Do you remember that? It's one of the LeBron's greatest games ever. But the meme, the memory of it is him screaming at J.R. Smith and losing. You ever notice Michael Jordan's highlights? are all from games he won. It's funny how that works. You want to be a winner or do you want to be the man?

I want to be a winner. I want to win. I want to have a great owner and a great coach and great teammates. Last night, Steph Curry was unbelievable and it meant nothing. John Wall, Derek Rose, I don't recruit. Westbrook, my best friend's the ball. Steph's like, get me KD. Get me buggy.

Get me the best. best players. That game really wasn't competitive last night. It wasn't. You can try to convince yourself, but did you ever really feel that Golden State could make a big stop in that game? No, they didn't have Clay Thompson. They didn't have Kevin Durant, both very good defenders, Clay spectacular defender. That was an advertisement for Kyrie. The grass isn't greener. Go to Brooklyn. Knock yourself out, be the man, and win 32 games. Go ahead, Kevin. Go to New York. It's great for your brand, although I'd argue the better thing for your brand is holding up that finals MVP trophy every year. That is great for your brand.

If you're out there seeking some sort of external validation, congratulations. But, I mean, after the game, Steph Curry nailed it. We can play better, obviously, better on the defensive end. But I like the competitiveness that we had. I understand, you know, like we're missing 50 points pretty much between Katie and Clay. So we'll adjust and it's a long series, you know. It's going to be fun for us. It is going to be fun.

I have no doubt in my mind that Clay Thompson and Kevin Durant, if they play in game four, Golden State will even it up. And I think they'll probably bring back Clay. I doubt they bring back Kevin Durant unless he's. unless he's perfect because they can still push him off to five, six, and seven, one of those games at Golden State. But that was an advertisement. You go ahead.

You go be the man, score a bunch of points, get 47 points. I guarantee you Westbrook and Hardin would take Steph Curry's wins any day now in retrospect. Well, there was a moment in last night's game. You know how I am about hecklers at comedy shows and about fans who touch players, ban them for life. I don't go and pay money to watch hecklers at comedy shows or watch obnoxious fans. Last night, Kyle Lowry, now I will acknowledge, Kyle Lowry is like James Harden without the talent. He's annoying, but he went into the stands and a fan put his hands on him.

And this morning people are saying, Kyle Lowry is saying ban him for life. And I agree with a player. Once again, I agree with a player. The only sport professionally in America where there's no barrier is basketball. It's awesome. Hockey's got that glass. Golf's got a rope. Football's got a wall in distance.

Baseball's got a lower wall, sometimes less distance. But in basketball, you're right on the floor. And some people can't handle it. By the way, this fan wasn't some dope. It's one of the richest people in the world. He's a part owner of the team, Mark Stevens. Mark Stevens should never ever be allowed to have a court side seat again. And frankly, if I was Adam Silver, I'd take him out of the ownership circle.

I'd get him out of there, have him bought out. Joe Lacobs got enough money, buy him out, get him out. Folks, I've been doing this for a long time, and I've dealt with a lot of fans. And the biggest jerks are almost always the entitled ones. It's not the poor family who can go to one ticket a year, or the middle-class family that feels lucky to be able to take their family to three NBA games. It's the rich, entitled jerks, and this guy's a jerk. He feels it's his right.

You don't make that move unless you feel it is your right. I am above the player. I own the player. Get him out of the arena forever. And Adam Silver strongly consider getting him out of the, ownership circle if that's how he treats visiting players. Folks, not everybody can handle access. In college football, for years and years, don't bring alcohol in, even though we know

everybody's getting drunk out in the parking lot. Why is that? Because some people can't handle a second beer. We see it all the time in America. Some people can't handle access to guns. It's sad, but it's true. And this rich jerk can't handle access to basketball players. players and stars. Because, you know, he's an owner. He owns players. All push opposing players.

Sad, but true. Don't ever touch a player. They're a performer. In the worldview of hecklers, and this is why they're all a little off, they always argue, I have a right to heckle the player. Of course, they always lack the self-awareness that I paid the same money you did for the ticket, and I don't want to have you screaming for four hours or bothering the stars. If you go to a Broadway play and heckle, you're a band for life. Why in sports do we tolerate any of this nonsense? Well, it's just Colin Drake. Drake is friends with players.

Drake is paid by the Raptors to annoy and poke and laugh and, frankly, cheerlead. Don't connect this to Drake. It's not close. And by the way, I didn't like Drake touching the coach of his team. I didn't like that either. But this isn't Drake. This is an aggressive push by an owner. Colin, you're overreacting.

No, I am completely consistent on this. Touch a player out of the arena forever. And I don't care if you're worth $9 billion like Mark Stevens as a venture capitalist. Out forever. And I am Adam Silver. I get him out of the ownership group. He's public. He is known.

You could take a stand. You could now make people go, oh, wow. You can't do that. It's like parenting. Sometimes, you know, you've heard Bill Belichick in front of the players yells at Brady in front of the players. Oh, hell. He yells at Brady.

Greg Popovich yelled, embarrassed Tim Duncan, in front of the players to make a point. Take an owner. bad behavior. We use the associate with, you know, some schmucky guy, had too many beers. Take the owner out. Make a point. This is becoming a habit, an ugly habit, and I have no patience for it whatsoever. Mark Stevens is his name. Should never be allowed in an NBA arena again. You'd throw the guy out in the upper deck. You'd throw out the bartender in the second deck. You'd throw out the middle class guy. You'd throw out the poor guy. But you'd throw out the guy.

You won't throw out the rich guy. Bad, bad look for the NBA. All right, coming up next, did I make my point firmly there? Yep, I totally agree. Sorry if I'm a little intense. This is one of these things, man. I don't get worked up over much. I get worked up over that.

Because if that guy was working in a warehouse, you'd throw him out of the arena and have no problem with it. Don't because he's a venture capitalist say, well, I mean, you know, he does own. He should be held to a significantly higher standard. than the guy that works at a warehouse or a longshoreman, a cop, a fireman, a forklift operator. That guy after a couple of beers, you're like, yeah, he regrets it. This guy should know better. Plus, he was wearing warrior socks.

Grow up, you're 50. Jesus, loser. Coming up next, there's a story out. Kauai Leonard signing with Toronto. We'll address it next. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1.

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I have no insight on this. I have said before, Kauai Leonard is a unique personality. I have absolutely no insight to where he's going, and I have a lot of NBA contacts. I've also said, I don't think it would be crazy to say that Kauai stays in Toronto and KD stays in Golden State and Jimmy Butler stays put in Philadelphia and Clay Thompson stays in Golden State. Kyrie Irving appears to be the only player I'm pretty sure wants to go to Brooklyn. That's because I've been told that and I do think he's more erratic and flighty as a guy

and he would leave. Paul George may have very well showed us the light, which is I'm going to stay in a place that may not be as glamorous, but it guarantees me $40 million more dollars and I've had injuries and I'm getting older and I'm taking that cabbage for the record. That's exactly what I would tell. Kauai Leonard, Kevin Durant, Jimmy Butler and Clay Thompson, don't give up money. I would never as an agent tell a young man who's had injuries, KD has, Kauai has, Butler has, Clay's hurt now to surrender money.

You don't see NFL stars hopping from city to city. So the truth of the manner is, even though we all think the NBA wants Kevin Durant to leave, remember what the NBA did in collective bargaining. They created it so it's hard for the start of leave. You go to a team Zion Williamson. When his contract's done in four years, he's a restricted free agent, meaning the Pelicans can keep him. You can make him an offer, but they get the last offer. So that means all these guys end up seven years in their city.

And they almost all do because it's the big money. And then they can leave after seven years. And guys like LeBron and Anthony Davis can get frustrated with ownership and not winning and they leave. But if they ever do leave, they want to stay with them. the next team because they can make more guaranteed money. Folks, aren't we all trying in America to get more guaranteed money? If your boss came up today and offered you a five-year guaranteed contract, 90% of you would say, I'll take it.

Unless you're young and have other options, you'd take it. And remember, the NFL, and this is one of the reasons I think the NFL plays better in middle America and actually is much more popular. You are rewarded as an owner or GM if you draft really well and get the right quarterback. You got him. You're not going to leave. You got him. You don't see quarterbacks bouncing around city to city?

You don't see it. Because in the NFL, Kansas City now for 12 years, will be rewarded for getting Patrick Mahorms. And Andrew Luck has been, and the cults have been rewarded for finding Andrew Luck. And Cleveland and the Jets, Baker and Sam, will be rewarded, hopefully, for the next 10 to 12 years. In the NBA, there's a feeling sometimes

if you run a team, own a team, a general manager of a team, we did everything right. And our guy left. And so the NBA created rules. We all think Adam Silver, and I'm guilty of this too. Oh, he wants all these guys to move. It's good for the league. No.

The people who own these teams complained were small markets. Sacramento, Utah, Memphis. We can't get free agents. We got to create a system so our guys will stay. We'll pay them 40 million more extra, but we want them to stay. And so, you know, when I see this story on Kauai Leonard, I got to tell you, he looks a little worn down, series to series. He missed a year due to an injury, almost an entire year.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility he stays in Canada. Yeah, the taxes are bad. I live in California. It's not like I'm living in Wyoming here. It's expensive here. Taxes are brutal here and getting worse. So Paul George may have shown us the light. Paul George stayed in Oklahoma City, and in the end,

40 million guaranteed still made the playoffs. Now he's watching the playoffs at home, but he's probably having a pretty good life. Kauai Leonard, according to the latest, slight nudge, slight lean to staying with Toronto. Here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, we've talked a lot about the Warriors' strength and numbers mantra, but in game three, it was the Raptors who used that mentality to win. Toronto's starters combined for 106 points.

All five scored at least 17 points, and that's a feat that. hasn't been done in the finals since the Rockets in 1995. So all the Raptor starters scored 17? At least 17. Wow. Yeah. Kauai had 30. Kyle Lowria 23.

Seacum and Green both had 18 and Marcus Saul had 17. But the biggest factor for me in that game last night was Danny Green. And man, we've been waiting for Danny Green. He was great. To hit that stride and do those things that he does. And he did it last night, six threes. He was the difference maker, I think, in the game, obviously. Gasol and him.

Well, yeah, I mean, he just, he managed to neutralize Steph Curry because Steph was, Steph had an all-time great game. And it's like every time that Steph would come down there and make a big three and you felt like, okay, maybe they can start getting some momentum here. Danny Green had a big shot. And this is what Danny Green is known for. It's, it's why he's there. So it was nice to see him hit his stride.

The reason Toronto's offense is so inconsistent is because you really never know who's going to be the two. Right. First game it was Siakum. Last night it was Danny and Gassal. Now, I don't think teams like that generally win the championship. Well, they don't. But again, when Toronto gets a great night from somebody you don't expect, they're a tough out. They're a tough out. Well, that's what they really need to find moving forward. Game two, if you look at their numbers, it was all Kauai Leonard. And it makes sense. I mean, you're at eight points and Marcosol at six points. That's not enough. Right. So, I mean, if you look at the numbers, the one good thing, the one trend that you are seeing is Kyle Lowry is better game by game. He had seven in game one, 13 in game two, and last night he had 23.

Yeah, this is a good matchup for him. He's just annoying enough and talented enough to be, this is, listen, Danny Green, Milwaukee's length was not a good matchup for him. Golden State plays much smaller. Danny Green is a long player. I think Danny feels better. He matches up better with Golden State than Danny did with Milwaukee, where, They threw a lot of different looks at him, and he just got into his head, and he had a terrible series. Yeah, I mean, I think that the Warriors win the next game even now, and it goes back to Toronto, back to Toronto even.

So Draymond Green is a pretty confident guy, despite the Warriors being far from their best in game three. Dramon made a very bold claim. We just got to continue to battle and win the next game. Go back to Toronto. Win game five. Come back to Oracle. win game six and then celebrate

fun times ahead Dremont All right Dremont A lot going on with the Warriors right now That's pretty confident there Now a lot of people have said that the Warriors are going to win in six I disagree I think it's going to go seven I picked Toronto in the series

But I do think that it is going to end up going seven But luckily for the dubs our own Chris Haynes reports That Clay will return for game four Okay he will He will return for game four, which is good because the Warriors Big Four era, they have not been great with just the two of them playing. Their win-loss percentage obviously goes down tremendously down to none when none of them play. But obviously, I mean, you're going to have the four best players in the NBA. This isn't going to be one of the highest rated finals.

But you know what? Game sevens are fantastic. And if it goes six or seven, we got ourselves a real finals. I didn't think last night had a ton of juice. That's okay. years ago Golden State, when LeBron beat Golden State in that finals, everybody's like, that's one of the greatest finals ever. Five of the games were blowouts.

Right. We just remember the last game. This game, you've had pretty close, interesting games, but the game hasn't had the big star juice because a lot of guys have missed it. If we go six or seven, this is a nice finals. I think all of the playoffs have been interesting. Oh, yeah. There's a few duds in round one, which you're always going to have.

But overall, it's been very interesting, which was people who were skeptical of because it's been the first time in a long time without LeBron. All right, Brown's news. Got to get that in. Finally, Oddo Beckham skipped voluntary OTAs, as we know, and Freddie Kitchens was not thrilled about it, or at least he didn't seem thrilled about it. Kitchens said Odell was missing, learning the offense,

and Odell disagrees. He doesn't think he's too far behind, if even at all. I've always been a pretty small guy as far as when it comes to the playbook, so it won't be anything to pick up. It won't be too hard to pick up. This is my first rodeo. It's not my first go around. I just know where it takes to get there.

By the way, he did say how he loves Baker Mayfield's arm. He does. He does. A little shot at Eli there. See, now, I didn't think it was a shot at Eli because I think Baker does have a better arm than Eli. Well, look, anytime that you give an over-the-top compliment of that nature, it's going to seem like it's a shot at Eli. Maybe it wasn't an intentional shot at Eli. But Baker does have a good arm.

I don't have any fear of Odell not learning the playbook or have any fear of Odell and Baker not being able to connect. Baker is incredibly accurate and he's young. He does have a great arm. He's mobile. He's going to find Odell. And this is going to be one of the best quarterback wide receiver combinations in the league this year. Yeah, I think the team and the ownership and the general manager and the coach I have questions with.

But I will say this, I don't play fantasy football. But if I did, Odell Beckham would be a good receiver. They're going to play right. because they also want to keep him happy. So they're going to go to O'Dell. Like Julio Jones, you don't have to play, Kate. I mean, Julio's staying in Atlanta. He's got the money.

He's good. But O'Dell Beckham, in Cleveland, they're going to make sure they take care of O'Dell Beckham, keep him happy, keep him fortified. They're going to go, Baker's going to do a steady diet of 13 targets a day to a game to O'Dell. So O'Dell's going to have, I'm not even worried about that. How the Cleveland Browns turn out?

I have questions. Yeah, that's the bigger question. O'Dell, get them on your fantasy team. He's going to have a huge, huge year. Enjoy it with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News.

The Warriors just announced that investor Mark Stevens is not allowed to attend any more of the NBA finals games after his inappropriate contact with Kyle Lowry. This is according to the Warriors. Mr. Stevens' behavior last night did not reflect the standards we hope to exemplify as an organization. We're extremely disappointed in his actions. And along with Mr. Stevens, offer our sincere apology. he will not be in attendance at any of the remaining games of the 2019 NBA finals. That to me is the minimum. Let's bring in Rick Buecker, who covers this team and the NBA senior writer Bleacher Report.

Podcast, Buker and Friends cover the NBA since the early 90s. I came out pretty strong to start the show. Your thoughts about what I said and what they just did. 100% agree. It's one thing if it's a beer-soaked fan, a casual fan, someone who's never sat in a court-side seat before. none of that applies to Mark Stevens. He's a representative of the Golden State Warriors.

He's been there before. If anybody should understand the culture and the comportment of somebody in a sideline seat, he should. And my biggest problem with this is that if, and I don't know that just banning him for the remainder of the NBA finals games is enough. Because you need to put a stamp, you need to stamp out this kind of behavior from fans. By the way, I've seen it more this year than I ever remember. It is escalating. And the problem is that players at some point are going to come back. And what happens if Kyle Lowry goes back at him?

He looks like for about a half second, Kyle was like, I'm going after. And then Kyle Smartly is like, okay, I've been in this league a long time. Get the hell out of there. But that is the risk that you run. And if you make allowances, again, the biggest issue that I have is Mark should know better. If anybody, you are part of the Golden State Warriors. He gave $100 million to USC. They got buildings named after him.

This is a grown-up. I think the standards are higher for the wealthy and the people on the suites. The standards are higher. And you should understand that this is the NBA. This is entertainment. This is business. You're reacting emotionally like you're playing in the game. That's my greatest issue with fans who begin to think that they are part of the teams that they cheer for.

No, you're not. Cheer all you want. But you're not taking up battles. You're not part of the equation. That is where I disagree with you with Drake in terms of this doesn't equate to that. But Drake, you getting into it calling Draymond Green trash, you again are connected with the Toronto Raptors. Be a little bit better than that. Yeah.

Yeah, I think not to be Sigmund Freud, there is a psychology here. as Silicon Valley, ultimate wealth, you do feel impenetrable. When you can pay $30,000 for a seat, there is a sense of, I am special. Money makes people feel smarter and special. Golden State's got the richest people in the world sitting in that arena. Colin, I live in the Bay Area. I've seen the transformation. It's disappointing.

The level of entitlement across the board, the lack of etiquette, the lack of the simply, I have the most money, so I get to do whatever. I want, it has changed the culture of the Bay Area in a profound way and not in a good way. By the way, there was a study done years ago. I think Stanford did the study that they found that people in nicer cars at a four-way stop felt they had the right of way. And so they, over the course of years, they watch cars that came to the intersection and new cars over $80,000 in value, those people just blew through it, waited less, because I'm rich, I have a range over. I go before the little Kia guy.

And actually, if you're driving a Tesla, you're doing more for climate, so you don't have to stop at all. You just get to go. There you go. All right. So last night, my weird take on this was, hey, Kyrie and Kevin Durant, see how well he played with Steve Kerr at home and Draymond Green? Irrelevant. Lost. Like, go ahead.

Go ahead and hang out with all those B&C guys in Brooklyn and the next. And Kevin Knox. Steph was unbelievable last night with Draymond, with Iggy, with a buggy, with a culture, with a system, with Steve Kerr at home, didn't really compete. I'm not going to put Kyrie in that category, but KD is in a different category completely.

Steph, this is the superpower of Steph and the magic of the warriors, is that he knows who he is and who he isn't. He knows he's not KD. He knows he's not Kobe. He knows he's not Michael. He knows that he needs this team. He needs Clay. He needs Draymond.

Now, he's fearful. He knows he can score. He's going to find ways to make the most out of what he is. But I look at KD going to the east. To me, this actually works the other way. Kady looks at it and says, okay, wait a minute, Kauai Leonard's gimpy and can't play, and I don't even know he's going to be there.

Kyle Lowry and KD match Steph. All I need is one other guy. And the Knicks, for example, have the cap space to go get one other guy. and they have a GM in Scott Perry who knows how to build the complementary players on a championship team from his time in Oklahoma City and in Detroit, and we have a number three pick.

So I don't need a whole lot to be able to end up in the finals. Look at what the Raptors have. It's not that overwhelming. Milwaukee is in the conference finals, and they have Janus and what? And I'm better, I mean, if you're going to ask me, do I take Janice or I take KD? It's not even close. Yeah.

I'm taking KD every day all day. Me too. So I think this, he looks at this and says, in the West, you might have a case. But in the East, I could wind up in the finals and it wouldn't be that hard. I think Steph should have left the floor last night, went over to KD and said, I had 47, we lost. This is why we need you to stay. Let me, you know, it's Charles Barkley said yesterday. It was kind of interesting.

Charles was on, I think it was at Dan Patrick show, and he said, you know, do we have any sound of this stuff? And he basically said, you know, all these guys are crap, all these reporters saying they know where guys are going. Here's what Barkley said. I don't think these players, why I know that, because all these guys are caught between the rock and a hard place, they can't go anywhere by themselves. That's the biggest problem all these guys got. No matter how great, whether you talk about

Kauai, K.D. Karee, Jimmy Butler, none of these guys can make a move until something happens. If you go to a team by yourself, the team is not going to be any good. It's funny. Is it possible?

Jimmy stays in Philly. KD. stays. Clay obviously stays. Hawaii stays, more money, you're winning games. I mean, the NBA, let's be honest, the CBA, they kind of want this. They've been trying to create the scenario where guys, the money is just too great for them to leave. Right.

But it hasn't worked so far. Well, Paul George, that wasn't the driving force. He says that. It was his relationship with Russ Westbrook. And the fact that everybody thought he was an L.A. guy, he's a Palmdale guy. and Oklahoma City probably has more in common with Palmdale than L.A. does. He's a country. Everybody keeps telling me about all these guys moving. I just don't buy it.

Jimmy Butler is the one that I have the hardest time seeing staying, just because he knows that he's not going to be the straw that stirs the drink. He's never going to be that in Philadelphia, and he has aspirations of moving a little higher in the pecking order with whatever team that he goes to. When it comes to KD. and Kauai, one of the elements that, that we don't talk a whole lot about is their health. And that being a factor here. Kauai, from everything I've heard, has developed a great trust. And I think you and I have talked about it before,

and Alex McKekney and how they've handled his injury. When you've had the history that Kauai has, who was in the training room, who was extending your career is a big thing. The Phoenix Suns long had an advantage when it came to this. It's why the New Orleans Pelicans stole their athletic trainer. The Atlanta Hawks, when Travis Slank took over the first thing he did,

he stole somebody from the Golden State Warriors. That is an element that players pay attention to. Now, I'm not saying it's the defining thing. But in the case of KD and Kauai, we're talking about two guys right now where injury is an issue. Yeah, Durant and Kauai are older veteran players who'll put up a lot of Minuton. Exactly. And so KD may be looking at it, not just from the treatment, but do I want to go someplace else at this point and carry that load? If there are lingering issues with this calf problem,

if he takes a month off coming into Golden State, that's not a problem. If he goes to New York and he gets there and he signs the big deal and there's the big hurrah and then he can't play at the beginning or he's limited, Dwight Howard went through this very thing when he went to the Lakers. He should not have been playing. His back was to a place where he was having a difficult time rising up on his toes. I saw it. But he felt a pressure because I'm here.

I'm with the Lakers. I'm supposed to be the new thing, and he went out and he played a lot sooner than he should have, and he was never the same again. Let's talk about game four. I didn't think the loss last night. Joe and I said it. I think they should have sat Clay Thompson. My takeaway is get everybody healthy. This team's trailed three times two to one.

They'll be fine. They win on the road. They win with injuries. What you don't want is to reaggravate Clay Thompson. How big was the struggle last night before the game for the organization to sit Clay? Was there a real struggle? Well, Clay obviously wanted to play. Right.

You could tell that just looking at him on the bench. It was, I don't know that it was that much of a struggle for Steve Kerr to make this decision. Because he didn't want to have to second guess. Did I play him and he got hurt? Because here's the thing is, for exactly what you said, does anybody think that because they lost game three that they still can't win the series? No. No. There wasn't enough at stake last night to push the envelope and to get Clay out there.

I fully expect, and I think it's been reported already, he's going to play. He will start in game four. I believe they're going to play the same game with KD. Do we need to play him in game four? Do we need to win game four? No, it's not a closeout game. Let's give him a little more time. Let's see if he, and obviously he's going to go three on three.

We'll see how he responds today. There's a chance he plays in game four. But I believe that the druthers of the team is. Clay 4, KD5, KD5 if need be. And let's say they win and they're going back for game five and it's all tied up. Maybe you give KD even another game. And you just make sure that when all the chips are on the table, it's a closeout game, we are at our greatest health.

Isn't that crazy? It is. For Golden State now, Toronto is facing an MRI. They're essentially facing, I mean, it's a chess mat. It's like, let's just keep moving our guys. until we absolutely have to have our stars. Yes. But look, I'm looking at the other side.

I don't know if you saw it with Fred Van Vleet. Had a, had an impactful game. But at one point, he looked like he was running with a piano on his back. I mean, literally trying to get back and he couldn't move. We've talked a lot about the warriors in their health. But Quay Leonard's not 100%. Kyle Lowry's not 100%. Fred Van Vleet's not 100%.

They are ailing as well. So this really is, it's a battle of attrition. And not to date myself, but the Monty Python with the knight keeps getting limbs sliced off and he's still fighting. I feel like that's what I'm watching here between two teams. Who's going to have the most left? No, I think that this is part of the NFL. It's remarkable how often the NFL teams that get to the Super Bowl are the healthiest teams. 100%.

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By the way, we tend to think, I mean, this is just the way it is. We tend to think in the NFL, there's, you know, it's kind of an even playing field, right, in the NFL. Like in the NBA, we know there's certain places there's stars want to play. You know, we know that. And we know in baseball, the Yankees payroll, the Red Sox payroll. the Cubs payroll and then the A's payroll and the Mariners payroll like in Tampa Bay's payroll. Like we know Kansas City's payroll, Pittsburgh's payroll and baseball's got no salary cap.

We know innately that Major League Baseball is not an even playing field. There's no salary cap. The Yankees make $500 million a deal on their cable contract. A year, the Yes Network, like $4 or $500 million. That's like nine years for Tampa. They can just go buy people. Cubs just go out and buy pitchers. And in the NBA, we also know, Utah's never been a hot free agent market.

Same with Sacramento. Same with Memphis. You can draft good players. You can be good. Not a lot of titles there because the stars generally gravitate to big markets, right? We get that. We overwhelmingly. But in the NFL, we're pretty sure there's only about two, three teams a year that aren't potentially a playoff team.

I mean, Cleveland, bad forever, could make the playoffs. I mean, Arizona is a team. We're all like, oh, they're terrible. What if Kyler Murray's great? What if Kyler Murray does to Arizona what Baker Mayfield did to Cleveland? But the NFL's not a level playing field. You think it is, but it's not. More news from the Raiders.

They'll now be playing in Canada. We already knew they were playing in London. They'll probably land hard knocks. Now think about that for a second. Think this morning about the disparity in chaos, New England, Oakland. The difficulty and the roadblocks and the silly obstacles, Oakland and New England. The Raiders will travel 32,000 miles next year. That's what they will ask of their players.

Canada, London, Patriots will travel 9,900. I think that's an advantage. I do. Hard knocks. Cameras everywhere. Oakland likely to get it. New England doesn't even let local media cameras in their building. one team plays on a stadium that is sold out the game day revenue is top three in the league

incredible facilities excellent ownership well funded the raiders tarp the upper deck have no idea where they're playing next year and have a dirt infield for free agents who want to slide into second base at the 50 yard line in week nine now you've got them going to Canada going to London, you think the NFL. Look at the disparity. Look at the drama. Look at the chaos. Look at the travel.

Look at the distractions the Raiders are going to face this year compared to say New England. It's unbelievable. I mean, now they're going to Canada and London. 32,000 miles. The Jets, by the way, travel 6,000. By the way, the Raiders also have the poorest owner in the NFL so that a facility. are average.

Their game day revenues, the pits. They're going to be moving to Vegas. By the way, Vegas will be fantastic, but we're not sure when it's going to be done and where they're going to play next year. And it is interesting because in the NFL, we were thinking this morning, we said, who do we know for sure

that's going to be terrible in the NFL? Because next year, I can give you six or seven, you know, teams in most sports can't compete. I mean, we're all like Arizona? I'm not really sure. What if Kyle Murray's amazing? I mean, they've always played the Seahawks tough. They've always played the Rams tough.

They've always played in division, very tough. What if Garoppolo gets hurt? Arizona can beat them twice. Crazy stuff. Let me, Charles Barkley did talk about this yesterday and Dan Patrick, where, you know, he was saying that basically none of the people in the media know where anybody's going. Now, I will say this. LeBron to Miami shocked us.

LeBron back to Cleveland shocked us. Kevin Durant to Golden State shocked us. I would not deny that. Here's Charles Barkley. Is this the second bite when he's kind of banging on? One of his quotes is, if you watch TV, all these fake guys are saying the exact same thing. My source or what I'm hearing, I think these guys are full of crap.

I don't think these guys know anything. You know how I know that? How they're all full of crap these reporters are? because all these players are caught between a rock and a hard place. Can't go anywhere by yourself. Here's the reality of the NBA. And this is where I think you have to understand this. A majority of the league is not changed by free agent moves.

The league is changed by trades. Pal Gasol was traded to the Lakers. Chris Paul was traded to Houston. Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen were traded to the Celtics. Kyrie was traded to the Celtics. The Cavs traded for Kevin Love. The Raptors traded for Kauai. Loma City traded for Paul George.

Trades change this league. But there is a reason the free agent signings which irritate Charles, there's a reason they get more publicity. And it's pretty simple. Because they're on a calendar. Because the NBA wanted us to discuss them. Trades happen randomly. Whoa, did you hear? Kauai's on the Raptors.

What? It just broke. Woosh bomb. But in free agency, there's a date. 6 p.m. What's the new date, guys? There's a date. It's a holiday. It's a birthday. It's anniversary. You anticipate a holiday

4th of July. You anticipate a birthday. You anticipate an anniversary. You buy a present. You circle it on your calendar. Oh, it's coming up in four days, three days, two days. The NBA created a date because they wanted to make free agency an event. Because it was smart. They said,

what have we got all these reporters talking about us when the season ends or if the playoffs are boring. So the reporters in the NBA do have sources, and they're simply doing what the NBA architecturally built for them to do. Let's put a date and a time on the calendar when stars can change teams. They did, and it's like a national holiday. It's almost as good as Fourth of July, hour two next. One more herd?

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Joy Taylor is joining me. We have Joy is going to have a little news in 25 minutes or so that I think LeBron James is doing some talking today, so we'll talk about that. Joy and I both yesterday, We kind of came into the game and show yesterday, and we said, listen, Toronto's going to win game three. And I don't know if you did it, but I felt take me back a day ago because I didn't want him to play Clay Thompson. I thought it was one of those. Just take the loss.

Get everybody healthy. Don't reagravate it. And your take was. I mean, you shouldn't, of course, not play him in game three if he wasn't healthy. But I just didn't think he was going to play. It looked too severe for him to be out there. Now, Steve Kurt did say he will play Friday. So Clay will play Friday.

And Kevin Durant, and I think what they want to do is I think they'll dress. Kevin Durant, and they'll just kind of watch it. And if things go well, they'll be fine. But I will say this is I'm a big believer in the long play, especially if you're in leadership roles. I criticized Baker Mayfield yesterday. I said, you know, stop trying to win the press conference. Support Duke Johnson.

You're running back. Don't throw him under a bus. He's a good kid. He's a good player. He wants to play. You know, long play. Pat him on the butt and say, I hope Duke's around forever. Yesterday, I said, sit clay game three.

Don't reaggravate this puppy. This is not the NCAA tournament. You got to beat Golden State four times. By the way, a lot of people bit Michael Jordan's Bulls. Sonics beat him a couple games. Charles Barkley and the Suns beat Michael Jordan's Bulls a couple games. Utah beat him a lot in two finals. Couldn't beat Michael Jordan's Bulls four times in two weeks.

A lot of people beat Jordan's Bulls. A lot of people beat the Shat Kobe Lakers. A lot of people beat Showtime Lakers. A lot of people beat Bird McHale. Can you beat them four times? This is not the NCAA tournament. Play the long game. You sit Clay Thompson, and then you come back.

Two days for a hamstring is a lifetime. Two days for a tender hamstring is the difference between not reaggraving it and aggravating it. And as I watched last night's game, it was really strange. It didn't have a lot of juice. It felt like it meant everything for Toronto, and it was mostly like a bookmark for Golden State. We'll get back to that. That's what it felt like to me all night. I didn't feel a sense of urgency from the crowd.

and I think Steve Kerr summed up, and this is why players love Steve Kerr, I think Steve Kerr summed up why he sat Clay Thompson. I never would have forgiven myself if I played him tonight and he had gotten hurt. So you live with the decision, you make a wise decision, the wisest one you can, then you live with it and you move forward. So the good thing is Clay has done well the last two days. Now he's got another couple of days to heal. hopefully he'll be out there Friday.

By the way, when you're the champion and you've overcome two-one deficits three times, and when you've got confidence, I tell my kids this all the time, there's an inner scoreboard and an outer scoreboard. The inner scoreboard is what you know about yourself. People that worry about the outer scoreboard, what others think of them, are insecure.

Golden State has great confidence within itself, with its doctors, with its players. for them to basically set a lineup last night knowing they were at a massive size disadvantage, at a massive scoring disadvantage, shows you the confidence of a champion. Play the long game. This is what Drew Breeze does.

This is what Tom Brady does. This is what Russell Wilson does. And I think Russell Wilson's faith is a big component to his confidence, that he doesn't feel like he's doing it alone. He's got the man upstairs, his family helping him. Don't have to win every argument, every Twitter battle. You don't have to win every moment, every game. The Warriors essentially gave up game three at home of the finals,

knowing full well we could play God. Kevin Durant could be out there. But it's like, let's just take a deep breath. We overcome well. We went on the road. We're going to be okay. You could tell seven minutes into that game. You're like, boy, Steph's going to have to be.

dropped 60. I mean, that became very obvious in the first half. Nobody else could hit a shot. You're like, I mean, come on, he's going to have to score 60. He scored 47, and it really, I never felt, it never felt competitive. You felt like Toronto was in control? They couldn't stop Pascal. He couldn't stop Gassol. They couldn't stop any of their begs. So that's what confidence does. The inner scoreboard does to people. You don't have to win every moment. You're winning the war, if not being able to win today's battle. Let me shift to this. A lot of people, and this is unfortunate, this is part of my life, it's a burden of being popular, I guess.

You think I hate your teams. I don't care. I really don't. If Brady retires from New England, I never talk about them again. LeBron left the calves. I don't talk about them. I like individual players. I think Brady's the best quarterback I've ever seen, the best leader.

I like Peyton Manning. I like LeBron. And, you know, there are individuals I talk about. Teams, I couldn't give a rip. I mean, I don't care about teams. I like watching the Warriors. How often have I talked about the Miami Heat since LeBron left? Let's start with zero and go backwards.

Okay, so everybody thinks I hate Cleveland and I hate Baker and I hate Odell. No, I don't. I don't care. Baker, to me, too much nonsense for a franchise quarterback. I hope he grows out of some of his immaturity because I do think he's a hell of an arm talent. And O'Dell Beckham, Jr., I've talked to him. I think he's great. He said something yesterday, and people are going to see this as a shot at Eli Manning when he talked about his first practice at mandatory camp with Baker Mayfield. I love Brett Farr growing up. Baker has a lot of

similarities to him. They put the highlights together. It looks, you know, the same. I'm going to have to get adjusted to the speed because he's got an arm. You know, he's throwing that ball hard. So just catching him from the first day. It was like, wow, this is, this is completely different. And a lot of people are saying, that is a shot at Eli. And I do not believe it's a shot at Eli. Baker Mayfield does have a stronger arm than Eli Manning. In fact, what I've said about Baker Mayfield, the only surprise in the NFL so far, he's as tall as I thought, he's about as athletic as I thought, he's as cocky as I thought, he's as accurate as I thought. He's been exactly what I suspected. This is exactly what I said he would be. I wouldn't draft him as a GM.

but he was draftable, just not to me. He's been exactly what I thought. The difference is had a little more velocity on the football. He's got a little stronger arm. Oklahoma's offense is built for quarterbacks to get rid of the ball fast. Get it to the receivers. He's actually sat in the pocket and thrown some strikes, and I'm like, Baker's got a better arm than I thought.

I thought it was good, good enough. But I didn't think it was, I don't think he's at Aaron Rogers, Cam Newton arm. I don't think he has Matt Stafford's arm, Joe Flacko on his prime arm, but I think he's got a pretty good arm, and it's better than Eli's. Here's the funny thing, No. And this is my thing about, and this will be seen as hate.

So that's why when I talk about Baker, I try to put up stats. When I talk about Odell, I try to put up data and stats. And then it's not my fault if my facts get in the way of your emotion. That's not my fault. So the narrative is Odell Beckham is moving from a terrible quarterback to an unbelievable first bout hall famer. Right now, Baker and Eli ain't much difference, bruh. Last year, Baker and Eli against winning teams. Eli had more wins.

Eli had a significantly higher completion percentage. Eli had more touchdowns than picks. Baker didn't. And Eli had a significantly, significantly better passer rating. And Eli's entering this year with Pat Schumer, who I know is a good offensive coach. I have no idea if Freddie Kitchens is. I also think the Brown's offensive line isn't in as good as shape this morning as perhaps the Giants is,

and I know that won't play to the national narrative, but Giants last two years have really upgraded their own line. They really have. So there's this sense. Baker's a star. Eli's a bum. I don't think for the next year it's that different. I think the difference is I trust Pat Shermer.

and Baker does have a better arm. Vegas has the Browns at 9 and 7. Let's say they win one fewer game than that, 8 and 8. Vegas has the Giants at 6 and 10. Let's say they win one more game than that. They're 7 and 9. I don't think the Giants and the Browns, I'm dead serious here, are that far apart.

I think Cleveland has an ascending young quarterback and a lot of hope, but no history of deliver. on any of the optimism. I think the Giants have upgraded their offensive line, without OBJ, will have less drama this year, and have an offensive coordinator now coaching who is proven to move the change. Eli had a very good year last year.

Did you notice that? His completion percentage passer rating? He had a good year last year. Now, all this said, these are facts. I don't think there's a massive gap, Baker and Eli, when you connect kitchens and Shermer to, Both. And I'm not sure there's a big gap. By the way, if you start looking at, I get a superstar running back in New York, I get good running backs in Cleveland. I get a superstar receiver in

Cleveland that can get hurt. I've got really good receivers in New York. So the gap, now, do I think Odell and Baker will be unbelievable for fantasy football? Yes. Because I think, unlike an Atlanta, or in New Orleans or in New England, where you don't feel you have to get the ball to the wide receiver to make him like you, I think Cleveland's self-esteem, they will feed Odell the ball 20 times a game if they can. Because Cleveland's got low self-esteem, the Browns do.

They're going to bake, Odell, we love you. We're going to give you a million passes. And I think, so I think from a fantasy standpoint, I think Odell's going to have a monster year. I don't necessarily think that's better for the football team. when the opponents know you're going to make a point of feeding it to O'Dell Beckham to make him happy. I do not think that's good for a football team. So I guess my overlying point is I didn't think O'Dell was calling out Eli,

but I don't think right now there's going to be a massive gap this year between Baker MVP and Eli a bum. I just think Baker's ascending. I think Eli has plateaued. And I think O'Dell Beckham will have better numbers in Cleveland, but I'm still not sure the Giants are going to be terrible this year and the Browns are going to be great. I think Odell might get frustrated by week eight when the team is three and five and struggling on the road

against very good teams. And the offensive line's not as good in Cleveland as everybody thinks. All right, there you go. That was fact-based. I'm sorry. Was that hating? By the way, I almost qualified my opinions. I almost went like most radio TV guys.

I qualified everything, not to hurt any feelings. I think you might be letting the mentions get to you a little bit. You know, it's okay to talk about the Browns. We're going to talk about the Browns a lot this year. Some of it's going to be positive. Some of it's going to be negative. We give our opinions. That's what we do.

I thought it was very accurate. Thank you. Kendrick Perkins is around the corner. Steve Fisher, Kauai Leonard's college basketball coach. He used to coach in Michigan pre-Fab 5. Steve Fisher will be joining the program today with the fat way. He was pre-and-with, but he won a title pre- and didn't win a title Fab 5. Right.

That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the. heard weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee. I'm Michelle McPhee. and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across.

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Like, it didn't make sense in my brain. It's hard to be in spaces that no one looks like you, but don't ever feel like you don't feel like you don't feel on. Don't let that be the reason you don't do it. An Olympic champs Gabby Thomas and Katie Ledecky. The ability to show a gold medal to someone and have their face light up and smile, that means the world to me. And that's what motivates me to win more gold medals. At our level at this scale, like being able to fail in front of the entire world. Like, I can do anything.

I can do anything. Because resilience isn't just about winning. It's about showing up, even when it's hard. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down,

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Tuesday on Fox, all eyes will be on Alex Morgan, Carly Lloyd, and Megan Rapino, as they lead you at the U.S. women's national team against Thailand and group play. Coverage begins at 2 Eastern, and all the matches of the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup will be live on Fox, FFSA. one and streaming on the Fox Sports app. Look over here, Joe. Look what we have. Oh, it's almost like the team made me a specific jersey. Oh, I got one too. Oh, okay.

I thought I was special. All right, USA opens up on Tuesday. And it's a small, which I really appreciate. I am ripped totally. I need a large. Mostly in Excel. I'm gigantic. Kendrick Perkins, 15 NBA seasons.

You've played with the big three in Boston. OKC, the Cavs, the Pelicans. You've played for fascinating teams, and I love bringing you on. I want to start with this. The fan, first of all, it bothers me to no end. And I've said this before, is you have to be held to a higher standard if you are an owner, if you are a general manager. This guy, Mark Stevens, is a part owner, I don't know what percent, of the Warriors.

He pushes Kyle Lowry. It's a real push. The Warriors have banned him from the rest of the finals. What do you make of this incident? That's it? Just the rest of the finals? That's it. I mean, we get fined for technical files.

I mean, as players. We get fined for tossing our mouthpiece. We get fine for tossing the ball or whatever the case may be. We get fine for even making gestures at fans. And so you just tell me he just get banned for the rest of the finals. I think that's ridiculous. Like, I think he should be banned for at least a year and he should be fined a million dollars. I'm pretty sure he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

I think he's worth a billion dollars. Okay, well, he should be fined a million dollars. Like, this is, I mean, like, you know, this is not a million dollars. a zoo. Like, we're not animals. Like, you know, we're human beings. So this is, this is uncalled for. You know what I said, Kendrick? I took a lot of heat for this. I probably the most hate

mail I've ever received in my life. The malice in the palace. I took the side of the players, Ron our test. He was Ron then, I think he was met a world peace later. Right. And I said, time out. A hockey player is protected by glass. Football and baseball by walls. Golf by rope. I am

sitting in an arena as a basketball player and people can breathe on me. If you don't think my first instinct, if somebody throws stuff at me, is to fight back. It's like the old saying about lions, the fear or fear, flight or fear. You either run or you get into a fight. You never back somebody that's big and strong into a corner. Right. And guys are throwing stuff at all the pacer's, and I'm like, yeah, I'd be scared out of my gourd.

I'd throw a haymaker to fan too. This could have escalated. Like, what if Kyle Lowry is not a veteran? He's a second-year player. He's got a little bit of a temper. Right. You got yourself a nightmare. Right.

And I'm glad he handled it the right way. Absolutely. But it's just like, you know, for like celebrities or even like myself. I'm not saying I'm on that type of level. But, you know, mentally you have to prepare yourself for certain things. So I know when I'm going out in the public, it may be some people that may say, hey, hey, per, can I get a picture? Or it may be somebody that may say something crazy to me.

I'm mentally prepared for this. When you come into a game and you're sitting courts out, you have to be mentally prepared that a guy might dive on you or, you know, a ball may hit you in the face or, you know, or whatever the case may be. But, I mean, like, this is unacceptable to the max. I mean, just like. By the way, you were critical of Drake. Let's talk about that. You were somebody that didn't love the whole Drake thing in Toronto.

Right. And see, the crazy thing is that, like, you know, it's cool right now because Drake is cool with Draymond. Drake is their friends. Drake and Kevin Durant are friends. Drake and Stefan Curry are friends. I don't know Drake. So he don't know me. Like, I don't care about him.

He don't care about me. He don't pay bills at my house and I don't pay bills at his house. So you didn't like his nonsense. No, I didn't like his nonsense. And first of all, I wasn't even talking to him. I was messing with one of my fellow teammates in Sergei Baca and he just butted in. Which I don't mind trash talking, but it's a level of respect. And like, you know, at the end of the day, I'm a grown man.

married with four kids. So I'm not going to tolerate no disrespect from no man, period point blank. I don't care who you are because I'm not going to disrespect no man anyway. You know, I think I've never had a guest in the history of my show who I agree with everything on, except you. Well, I appreciate it, Colin. I grew up in a fishing village. You fish every day in Houston.

Only two snapper. You get fined. Yeah, you get fined. The game wasn't on play or you might get taken to jail. That's great. So let me move to this. Steph was great last night, but I'm watching that game. And here's what I'm thinking, Perk.

I'm watching that and I'm thinking, if I'm Steph Curry and that game's over, I walk over to KD and go, I scored 47. It doesn't mean crap. Because if you don't win games in this league, nobody gives a rip about your stats. Absolutely. And KD, you go to New York. And Kyrie, you go to Brooklyn. But I sat and watched that game and I'm like, this is one of the greatest performances ever.

It doesn't mean anything. It don't. And I said this yesterday. I was like it was the most meaningless 47 points that I ever seen. I was at the game and yeah, but he missed last night. I'm going to tell you what happened with stuff. Not only did he miss Katie, he missed Clay Thompson because now, yeah, you have to put up 47 points, but you're also now Kyle Larry gets loose because now you have to guard him.

There's no more I'm going to be able to hide Steph and Clay you go guard Kyle Larry. No, Clay, you go guard somebody. No, Kyle Lerty was able to get loose and Steph had to defend, which he put up some great numbers last night, for his points-wise. But, you know, it was a meaningless 47 points because it had zero impact on the game. By the way, it almost felt like Golden State said,

listen, we're going to give up game three. Oops. But we'll get everybody healthy for four. You don't love that? No, I don't because to me, that's disrespecting the Raptors. And I think us as basketball fans and basketball gurus that we need to respect Toronto Rappas. They are really good. They swept Golden State in the season and they have a really good team.

Now, Golden State haven't proven to nobody that they could beat this team in good fashion. They paid five times Toronto's won four. Right. And by the way, the win for Golden State, Toronto had a chance to win. Exactly. So now you put a lot of pressure. Like yesterday was a must-win situation for the first. Raptors.

Game 4 is a must win situation for Golden State, a must win. So now you hear that KD's practicing today, right? If he's 60% he needs to play. Because I mean, this Toronto Raptors team is

really, really good. What I saw last night, Gasol, Pascal, I Baca, listen, Golden State likes to play small. Right. But the problem is Seaccom runs the court for a big. Yes. And And Ibaka runs the court for big.

Absolutely. Toronto last night got a lot of easy looks. Outside of Steph Curry, Golden State did not get a lot of easy looks. Toronto's length is an issue in this series. It's an issue. And I said this before game one. I said the unsung heroes that's going to be in this series is not the guard play. It's going to be the big man.

If you look at game one, Gassal had a monster game, right? Him and Serge played exceptionally well. The Raptors win the game. You look at game two, Boogie Cousins and Bogot. And Bogot, flat out, outplayed both of them. Golden State, get the win. You look at game three yesterday, the Marcus Cousins was absolutely a no-show. They completely took him out the game yesterday.

And Gassall was great. And Gassau was great. And Serge had six blocks impacted the game. See, Icombe started the game, which was in great fashion. And, I mean, Golden State, not only are they missing K. And Clay Thompson, they'll be. missing Looney and you have to you and and

you have to give like you have to respect this Toronto Toronto team. I always have problems pronouncing his name but it's Messiah or Jerry. You have to give him a lot of credit for the moves that he made in

all season. One he got Coah Leone then he got Mark Gassal. At the trading deadline by the way gave up some depth to get Gassal and by the way, got Kauai, who many thoughts are rental. Right. And fired Dwayne Casey who won coach of the year.

But listen, now I'm going to get to that point. I love Dwayne Casey, but let's think about this. Last year, Seacom probably played 10 minutes a game, okay? Under Nick Nurse, Seacom is most improved player of the year. In the league. In the league. So you have to give credit to Maasai because he made great money. moves where everybody was like, wow, hold on.

He's wrong for fine Dwayne Casey. But now you look at it, okay, Nick Nurse, I'm rolling with Siakum. And then it changed the culture. Right. Sometimes the veteran coach is very reluctant to play younger guys. Right. Nick Nurse, who's been with the G League, got a bunch of young guys. He put his arms around the young guy.

Nick Nurse has done a lot. To give him credit, he's done a lot. I never seen a coach. usually in the NBA you make adjustments at halftime. He made an in-game adjustment in game two, although they lost, to do a boxing one on Stefan Curry. And guess what happened?

Toronto had eight to nine, they had eight to nine straight defensive stops in game two. Curry didn't score in the fourth. That's what I'm saying. After the boxing one, he didn't score. So it worked. It worked. And I'm telling you,

and now I went to game, one in game two in Toronto and I didn't been to five NBA finals and I never seen nothing like this in my life the way that's it, the way Toronto was lit. Like it was literally, I call it, it was off the chain.

Like I never seen it. Like the city. Those fans was unbelievable and I'm thinking of myself, I'm like, you know, I know Kauai is coming up for free agency and there are all these speculations of him leaving, but... Would you leave? No, because for the simple fact that you could go to a team that's represented by a city,

but this team is represented by a country. So this guy actually has, he can actually make more money. We talk about bigger markets. Toronto is a big market because they're a country. Like, they're surrounded by a whole country. Coach,

Kauai could be the biggest star, the biggest professional athlete in the country. In the country. He would not be the biggest star in Los Angeles. Exactly. And I mean, It's hard for him. I don't see why would he leave. I'm telling you, I don't see why.

It's great. Well, we have to have you leave and we regret it because we love when you come. Kendrick Perkins. Good seeing you, Perkins. Well, thanks for having. You bet. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the Herd Line News. There's been a few developments on the story of the incident with Kyle Lowry and the fan from last night. It turns out that was the part owner of the Warriors, Mark Stevens, who pushed Kyle Lowry. The team released a statement saying, that Stevens would not attend any of the remaining NBA final games. Well, now LeBron as weighed in with his thoughts on Instagram,

he wrote, there's absolutely no place in our beautiful game for that at all. There's so many issues here. When you sit courtside, you absolutely know what comes with being on the floor, but he himself being a fan, but more importantly, part owner of the Warriors knew exactly what he was doing.

Just think to yourself, would have Kyle Lowry would have reacted and put his hands on him. You guys would be going crazy, calling for him to damn never. in jail, let alone be suspended for the rest of the finals, all because he was protecting himself. I couldn't and wouldn't be quiet on this. Hashtag protect the players.

Hashtag privilege ain't welcome here. Totally agree with LeBron. A hundred percent in line with LeBron on this. And for the record, you know, I'll get feedback on this. Oh, it's so, so PC you love LeBron. No. This has been one of my very few things, Joy, get me worked up. Like literally, I get worked up.

This is my big thing. I have no tolerance. I've seen it in international soccer. I'm seeing it in the NBA. An owner touching a player and pushing out of the arena, I would move him out of the ownership group. Obviously, it's ridiculous for anyone to put their hands on anyone for any reason. This particular situation, when we just assumed it was a fan, the conversation had already started. The guy is sitting courtside at a NBA finals game.

He either has a ton of money or he is friends with someone who has a situation. of money. So there's a reason that he's sitting there to begin with. But now that we know he's the part owner, the NBA is in a very interesting position here because people are going to be upset if they don't actually ban him for life. Because as you said, he should be held to, owner should be held to a higher standard than fans who are going there and having one too many beers. You know.

Now, now, people are going to push back and say, well, Drake's an ambassador. He should know better. Now, what Drake did is not nearly what this fan did. It's not even the same thing. Rihanna has stood up during games. Fans stand up on the sideline all the time. Odin stand up on the sideline all the time. What Drake was doing wasn't malicious.

And you can talk about his interaction with Raymond Green. It was reported they went to dinner later that night. This was a malicious, violent act. If you push someone on the street like that, whatever reaction they have, they'll likely get away with as long as they don't kill you because it's self-defense. He shoved him. He had no reason to reach over two seats and put his hands on him.

The NBA really doesn't have. a choice here. They do have to ban him. And I'm, I know he's a rich and powerful guy, but you made your decisions. It doesn't matter if you're rich and powerful. Like Levinne said, privilege isn't welcome here. There are plenty of very rich people in that arena who chose not to put their hands on Kyle Lauer. I would not be surprised if Mark Stevens aggressively, I'm interested to see Mark Stevens reaction. He's very public. He's got a bill to get USC, $100 million. He's very public. He's representing a venture capital group. He's representing the Warriors. I'm interested to see how Mark Stevens,

who knows better. This is not a dumb guy I went to Harvard, okay? This is a very smart guy. Does he scale back and go, I made a massive mistake? I'm out of here. That's fine. I'm sure plenty of fans feel the same way after they get banned from arenas. I mean, the bottom lines is just, it just can't happen. It's totally inappropriate. And LeBron's right. If Kyle Lauer would have reacted, we would be having a completely different conversation. So Danny Green knows that Kauai has played a crucial role for the Raptors throughout the playoff run, obviously. And yesterday, Cheryl Miller asked Danny kind of a unique question. Which player is Toronto's T-Rex?

Obviously, T-Rex is considered the king of the dinosaurs. With short arms, though, right? Yeah, they have a little short-arms. It's okay. They have a giant head and big mouth and they deceive everybody. They're supposed to be super fast or super fast. Anyway, Danny went with the obvious choice in Kauai and elaborated. He said he's the king of the monsters.

He's Godzilla. He's been carrying us throughout the whole point. playoffs. He's been amazing and not just with scoring. He's been rebounding. He's been getting to the free throw line. He's been passing and he's been picking apart defenses. We need him to continue to do that. Kauai has been Godzilla throughout this entire playoff run. I mean, he's been incredible. He's completely emerged as, well, I wouldn't say he's emerged. He's kind of back to where he was when he was playing at the top of his game with the Spurs. Only difference is now he's not with the Spurs. The Spurs kind of generally get overlooked and get labeled as a system.

and he is not in that situation anymore. And obviously we don't know who the number two is going to be from night to night. So Kauai has to be incredible. But, I mean, the one fun thing aside from, you know, the mid-range jumpers that we were talking about before, Kawhi is so strong. When he goes to the basket, just the hits that he takes. Very Jordan. Right.

And being able to finish the way that he does, even after taking that impact, it's just incredible to watch. Milwaukee, he guarded Janus. He guarded a guy that's 45 pounds heavier and five inches taller. He guarded him for long stretches. It's incredible. And finally, the always outspoken Mark Cuban is now chiming in with his thoughts on the Lakers and Jeannie Bus. After saying, quote, the more screwed up they are, the happier I am. Kind of making them, you know, taking a little job with the Lakers there.

But Cuban did give Jeanne a lot of praise. He said the hardest thing for Jeannie has been that it's family, and so there will be a time when my kids take over or not my kids. And I have to make a decision on how to integrate my family and who takes on what role. And that's not going to be easy. That's near impossible to make those decisions. And Jeannie had to deal with it. She did the best that she can, so she deserves a lot of credit.

Now, I do understand what he's saying here. That, you know, you build an organization or you, you know, you buy into an organization and you buy a company and you build it up and you invest your time, money and effort into it. You want to pass things on to your kids. It's totally understandable. Right. The problem is sometimes when you pass these things on to your kids, you know, who aren't qualified or haven't had the struggle that you have, they don't know how to make the decisions that you make

because they didn't come up the same way. Not to mention, their decisions affect so many other people. It's not your family business that you're running out of your garage anymore. They write books about this, second generation, third generation. By the third generation, they don't understand the struggle. Like, you should, generally speaking, if I was a rich guy and built a business, I'd sell it, give my kids money, and let them chase their own dreams.

I would never hand my business to my kids. I'd sell it, give them each 500. million bucks and say pursue your dreams because the idea i mean i'm a big believer in that i've seen so many failures this way it's very rare like the walton family with like walmart worked because he had him working at the business even though they were billionaires in phaetteville arkansas or bentonville arkansas he had them working in the stores as kids but it's very tough when you grow up with bmws and polo and and your dad didn't see the company built up into what it is you just I mean, the problem is, is Dr. Bus gave this to this kid,

so she's trying to keep it in the family. It's understandable. But sometimes you just have to make hard decisions. They already took it away from her brother. So stuff. You've got to figure it out. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Herd Lide News. Steve Fisher, Kauai Leonard's college coach, joins us next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's children. and kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't

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Like, it didn't make sense in my brain. It's hard to be in spaces that no one looks like you, but don't ever feel like you don't feel on. Don't let that be the reason you don't do it. An Olympic champs Gabby Thomas and Katie Ladecki. The ability to show a gold medal to someone and have their face light up and smile, that means the world to me. And that's what motivates me to win more gold medals. At our level, at this scale, like being able to fail in front of the entire world.

Like, I can do anything. I can do anything. Because resilience isn't just about winning. It's about showing up, even when it's hard. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast. For wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody.

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Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person.

Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. Steve Fisher was the coach at Michigan. Won a national title in 89, coach the Fab Five.

Then he went to San Diego State. Was that Naismith coach of the year about seven, eight years ago, and also coach Kauai Leonard, a perfect gentleman, Steve Fisher, one of the nice guys in sports. Steve, how are you? Thanks for joining us. I'm doing great, Colin. How are you?

I am fantastic. When you recruited Kauai, did you see this coming? Steve. I don't think anybody saw this coming. However, when we recruited Kauai, we talked and said he's a pro. And I don't say that often about guys that we've recruited, but we've had pros, as you know. And our thought was if he stays healthy and keeps growing his game, which we think he will, he could be a longtime pro, but to say he would be an elite top five player in the world right now,

No one, I think, could say that they saw that coming. Do you think that is work ethic? What do you think that is? I think that's Kauai being Kauai, yes. So many stories about Kauai, and many of them are from people that have never talked to him, don't know him. But the one thing that is true is his work ethic. I've never had a player that has done more away from the coaches. From three to six when you have them, they're all going to give you an effort.

but Kauai is someone that found a way to get into AGM 24-7. I've never seen someone as relentless to get in and improve his game as Kauai Leonard. So I think you can put all the credit to improve shooting, improved game, everything, right on his back. He is self-motivated and self-made. Just because you're not verbal doesn't mean you can't lead. Does he have leadership skills, perhaps though not verbal? That's another thing, Colin, that has bothered me again. Others saying, I watched him with us.

Leadership qualities are leading by example. He never takes a playoff in practice. He also is someone that if you're a teammate and you do something wrong, he'll never give an outward display of displeasure. He always has your back covered. And players appreciate that. I've seen him in the locker room after games go over, put an arm around the guy, and whisper something in his ear.

And it's usually, hey, thanks for what you did tonight, and those kinds of qualities that no one sees. But Kauai, it's very evident. He elevates and lifts everybody's game when he's on the floor with you. He has that type of error and confidence about him that he knows he's good without telling you that he's good. And that makes everybody's game appreciate. So he leads. He leads in that different ways than some, but without question. He is a leader. Was he difficult to recruit because he's not outwardly expressive? He was, you never knew where you stood because he didn't talk.

Our home visit, he would say yes, smile, thank you, no, and let his mom do all the talk. So I didn't think we were going to get him. But our staff was relentless. You know, we had the once-a-week rule at the time where we had somebody in that building at his high school, say hi, to watch. And then I do believe that his mother had an innate sense about us, and she trusted and liked us and felt we would be good for him. So I think she was the one that said, Kauai, you're going to go with Fisher in San Diego State. and he just smiled and probably said, okay. Hey, my mom had a lot of power with me, Steve.

I don't know about your mom, but if my mom told me to do something, I'd do it. Same way with me. I never miss church on Sunday because of my mom. Could I make an argument? Toronto's the perfect fit for him? I would say you could make that argument without fail. I know Toronto was a perfect fit for him in that transition between the San Antonio and what happened there. and what he was able to walk into.

They have, and he made them better, and they made him better. Obviously, they've welcomed him with open arms, all the things that they've done for him with him, a beautiful city with a franchise that you look at them, you say, hey, they could be really, really elite for a long time. So you can make that case. You can also make a case for the fact that he's Southern California, just this past winter, but I think this will be for sure when basketball in.

But he loves Southern California, too. But you can make a great case. He won an NBA championship. It would be hard to say goodbye. Yeah. I want to touch on one thing. Joanne Howard has become coach at Michigan. Did you see that as a player?

Did you see him as potentially a coach? I think when you're growing and they have their they're so focused on their basketball with Joanne and in his own mind about himself. I made the comment he wouldn't leave the house of the dorm without making sure his jeans were pressed

and he looked the way he wanted to look so other when others saw him they say that's Joanne Howard, that's who he is. His game also, Colin, he was far from the best athlete but he was the most fundamental athlete that we had. His footwork, you could make a highlight tape on it. He sought perfection in himself.

After a 19-year career and then behind the bench and then on the bench with the heat, I felt like he would be a coach. When he said, this is what I want to do, I thought he would be an NBA head coach, but I know he will do a great job at Michigan. Such a pleasure. the Fab 5, Steve Fisher to San Diego State, a coach of the year, going to be a Hall of Fame coach.

And you may be already, by the way. I don't know that they vote those guys in all the time. You've been a wonderful ambassador for the sport and a complete and perfect gentleman. Everybody I know in the sport speaks highly of you. And it's been an absolute pleasure for the past 10 minutes to listen to you. And I just love your Kauai stories. And are you retired down in San Diego? I'm still at San Diego State.

I'm working part-time for them in a variety. of capacities. I say I'm a good utility guy. If the president wants me to go to a big fundraiser, coach Dutcher wants me to talk to recruit, whatever they need me for. I'm smart enough to say, I don't want to have any more of those Midwest winners. So we're going to always keep a home in Southern California, right here at San Diego. Steve, absolute pleasure. Thanks for taking time for our show today. Appreciate it, Colin. Thank you. Steve Fisher, San Diego State. A nice guy. He just segued. He said, I've done this FAB-5 thing. I've done the high-profile thing. And he took that job. And when he took that job, people were like, well, Steve Fisher going to San Diego State. Let me tell you something. Rick Majeris could coach anywhere. He picked Utah. Mark Few could coach anywhere. He likes Gons. Don't kid yourself. I mean, Jay Wright can coach anywhere. He likes that little private Villanova. Those are good gigs. Nick Sabin can coach a lot of places. He likes to hide down in Tuscaloosa. Those are not bad jobs, folks. Paul A-Zing, is coming up next hour. U.S. Open

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with a Discover at Miles card, automatically match Miles to the end of your first year. Limitations apply. Learn more, Discover.com slash travel. By the way, Charles Barkley was talking about on Dan Patrick's show, we have a bite of this. And Barclays basically saying, you know, these players are all sort of trapped.

You know, the media tells you they know where guys are going, but nobody knows where they're going because you don't want to go to a team by yourself. And here's Barclay on Dan Patrick's show, I think, yesterday. I don't think, know how I know that, because all these guys are caught between the rock and a hard place. They can't go anywhere by themselves. That's the biggest problem of all these guys got. No matter how great, whether you talk about Kauai, KB, Karee, Jimmy Butler, none of these guys can make a move until something happens. If you go to a team by yourself, the team is not going to be any good.

And I will say this. Barclay also said these reporters don't know anything. Well, I think some reporters do. I will say this. The reason free agency gets so much talk is because the NBA puts a date on a calendar, like a birthday, a holiday, an anniversary. And, you know, if you know an anniversary is coming up for your wife, she sees it, you see it. It's an event. But this league has been overwhelmingly shaped by trades, and that's the irony. Free agents gets a lot of press, but it's trades that change the league. Shack traded to the Lakers. Gasol traded to the Lakers. Chris Paul traded to the Rockets. Paul George traded to Oklahoma City. By the way, rockets by the way, Rockets traded for James Hardin. Celtics traded for KG and Ray Allen. The Cavs traded Wiggins

to get Kevin Love. So free agent signings, they get a lot of time. talk because they're on the calendar and we can all see them coming like an anniversary. But this league is shaped by trades and I believe the Lakers have to go out and get a trade for Anthony Davis. Because Kauai Leonard's story this morning wants to stay in Toronto. Jimmy Butler's story four days ago, Philadelphia is going to give them the max. I don't think hope is a business plan. And I think free agents, clippers right now, this is what they're doing.

They've got their fingers crossed. That's not a business plan. You can engineer a trade. And if I'm the Lakers, Brandon Ingram, Number four pick, Lanzo ball, Josh Hart, I can land a second star for LeBron. I think you have to go after it. I think you have to go for it because I think the Lakers, the press has been so bad. We don't know who's running it.

Rob Polinkas's reputation among players, agents, hit and miss. I think you have to control your fate. Controlling your fate's a business plan. You know, it's like controlling your fate is I'm going to go on a diet, exercise more, and lose weight. That is a plan. This is not. I just hope people don't put really good food in front of me. Then you're just, what if they do?

You've got to engineer this thing if I'm the Lakers. Go strong answer to Anthony Davis, and I think you have an advantage on this. I don't think the clippers are willing to give up as much as you, and I don't think the Knicks have the assets. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. So the Warriors mantra is strength in numbers. Yeah. The Raptors borrowed that for game three. Toronto starters combined for 106 points. All five scored at least 17 points that hasn't been done in the final since the Rockets in 1995. Kwai Leonard had 30. Kyle Lowry added 23.

Seacom 18. Danny Green 18 and Marcus Holt had 17. Danny Green obviously stuck out because he finally hit his stride, knocking down those three pointers in the big moments like he is known to do, but it has kind of struggled with so far. throughout the playoffs. He was great. He was great.

He was in his form. And the good thing about the way that the Raptors are trending is Kyle Lowry, because we never really know who the number two person is going to beat Quai Leonard when it comes to the Raptors. And game one, Kyle Lowry had seven, game two, he had 13, and game three at 23. So he had a real impact. He seems to be hitting a groove as far as his scoring goes. I mean, the Raptors had to win that game last night, and they did, convincingly.

Urgencies are real thing in sports. Like, if you feel you have to. win, you go into a fight differently. You go into that fight last weekend when you had Joshua and Ruiz. Ruiz knew he's never going to get a fight with the heavyweight champion again in that moment. That dude fought like it was the last fight he's ever going to have. And the heavyweight champ is like, no, urgency.

Kind of like urgency matters. And it comes down to being focused and taking advantage of the big moments. And I do agree with Perk, though. You can't just discredit or disregard. The Raptors. That wasn't a game that Golden State was just taking off. I mean, Steph Curry had the game of his life last night, and he had to. And there was still always that feeling because they are the Warriors and they've earned that respect that you really do need to close this game out. There's never a point where you can let it get too close. And that was

where Danny Green stepped in. It felt like every time that they started to kind of get some momentum, he knocked down one of those big shots. So Jamon Green, he's pretty confident as well in his team, Despite the Warriors being far from their best in that game three, Draymond made a pretty bold claim. We just got to continue to battle and win the next game, go back to Toronto, win game five, come back to Oracle, win game six, and then celebrate. That's a lot of fun times ahead.

Now, that's a little cocky, especially considering all the injuries that they've had. But luckily for the doves, our own Chris Haynes reported that Clay will return for game four. That's actually the only playoff game that Clay Thompson has ever missed. You could see the frustration on his face. Yeah, we're showing him there. He was dying to be out there. But it was the right move.

It was the right move. Do not that game three was a throwaway. But if you're going to lose a game, because you have Clay Thompson out, that's the game you want. You don't want to go into the rest of the series because Clay Thompson was out there. And he makes it worse than you don't have him. already don't have KD and I really I really still don't believe that KD is coming back. So they need them out there also. If you look at the Big Four era, they've not been great with just two of them playing.

So Clay will be back. We'll see what happens with KD. And obviously they're missing Kvonne Looney already. So good game last night, though, for the Raptors. Finally, there's been a lot of developments this morning on the incident last night. Originally, we thought that it was a fan sitting courtside that shove Kyle Lowry. now know that it is Warriors part owner Mark Stevens. The team released a statement saying that Stevens would not attend any of the remaining

NBA finals. They also apologize on behalf of Stevens and the team. Well, now LeBron weighed in with his thoughts on Instagram. He wrote, there's absolutely no place in our beautiful game for that at all. There's so many issues here. When you sit courtside, you absolutely know what comes with being on the floor. But he himself being a fan. And more importantly, part owner of the Warriors, knew exactly what he was doing?

Just think to yourself, what if Kyle Lowry would have reacted and put his hands back on him. You guys would be going crazy, calling for him to damn near be put in jail, let alone be suspended for the rest of the finals, all because he was protecting himself. And I couldn't and wouldn't be quiet on this. Hashtag protect the players. Hashtag privilege ain't welcome here.

I really feel like the warriors have no choice, but to force him to sell his stake in the team and ban him. If this was a fan, any other regular guy or girl sitting courtside that reached over out of his way to or her way to shove, a player, they would be banned for life, it wouldn't even be a question. There already would be an announcement about it. I understand he's a part owner, so it's not as simple as that, but you have to set the precedent. This is going to end badly. We all know how this ends, and it's not going to be a player's fault. This has been an issue with players for a long time now. It's, it starts with

the trash talk and then it crosses over into racist comments and now it's getting physical. It's too much. Here's another problem. You ever noticed? I noticed this last night, before this happened, how people in the front row are sitting on top of each other. There's no space to move because teams are trying to get an extra, it's like an airplane. Instead of giving us all an extra four inches, let's throw another row up so we all want to strangle each other when you lean back. The Warriors have people sitting on top of each other. So if a player's coming to me, I don't even have room to get out of the way.

Like you are just peck. It's like if I pay 20,000 for a seat, can you give me a foot and a half on either side? that if a player came, I could literally move out. You could at least move. I mean, that lady there, where's she going to go? There's these teams. It's like, do you really need warriors another four seats in the front row jammed in there, like an air, like a cheap airline?

I mean, you certainly don't, but you also have to be aware if you're sitting courtside, there's a chance that a player might dive after a ball and jump over you. That's the game. What's Kyle Lowry supposed to do? He's not supposed to go after that ball? It's the NBA finals. It's just inappropriate. It's inappropriate.

It's out of line. and it can't be tolerated. And they have to set the precedent with someone like this who is an owner who should very well know better. And should he himself want to set the example for the way that the rest of the organization and fans should behave in the building? It's unacceptable. It's the principal of the high school. You're held to a higher standard than a teacher, a student, custodian people. And it's the principal of the matter.

You just can't do it. Joy over the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Paul Asinger won 12 times on the PGA tour, including the 93 PGA Championship. He is our Fox Golf analyst, played on four U.S. Rider Cup teams. This is one of my favorite golf moments on our show every year.

The U.S. Open, the 119th U.S. Open at Pebble Beach, which is my favorite place for the U.S. Open, begins Thursday, June 13th. We will unveil the groupings today. They'll be at the bottom of the screen for our FS1 viewers. Paul, first of all, how are you? Are you doing, Colin? I'm great. Now, let's start with Tigers Group. We all know the 15th shot win, 2000.

This is a course. He's played very well on. His most dominating major win is on this course. What's his group? For Tiger fans, that he's no longer in discovery mode. You know, he was on a mission to try to improve the most dominant game we've ever seen, and then he got hurt along the way. But I think an injury-free tiger and the fact that he's out of the laboratory is going to make a big difference.

It's a short U.S. Open course, and I think it's going to really suit Tiger. Plus, he has great memories here. Jordan Speed, his game kind of is in the laboratory. I think it looks like he went from numbers to me. And I think he's coming out of it, though. It's just fleeting, and I believe Jordan Speeat's got his confidence back. By the way, when you talk about Tiger, you said it's a short course. Now, you know, years ago, you know, Tiger was just, he was the monster.

He could out drive everybody. But now I got Kepka. Now I got Dustin Johnson. I got a lot of these young bucks that can out drive him. Do you believe Tiger would prefer the shorter course now? 100%. This is a golf course that's going to, it fits his eye, and it's not going to be overpoweringly long for Tiger Woods.

He'll be able to reach the par 5, maybe not 14 so much, but possibly 14, the par 5 dog leg right, and certainly he's proven he can reach 18. Number two is the hole where Dustin Johnson made triple a few years back at the U.S. Open with a three-shot lead, and that's a converted. The anticipation, especially with that group, and how about Sam Saunders, Arnold's grandson qualified, and he's going to tee off first at this U.S. Open. Well, let's go to the next grouping, Dustin Johnson, who had a meltdown at Pebble.

I think it was 2010, Paul, when he had a little bit of a meltdown. Now, a lot of people feel inside golf. That's the old Dustin. Let's check in. What's his grouping? Dustin, I think. Dustin, I don't know, he's like he and Kepka are big buddies, and then all of a sudden he's been usurped and replaced somehow by Dustin Johnson.

But I believe Dustin has this tremendous ability. He proved that when he missed that short putt at the U.S. Open at Chambers Bay to tie the U.S. well, one to win. Then he three putted, he missed the next one and lost. But he has a tremendous ability of letting that go. He came back and won the following year, which I think is one of the golf's greatest victories ever. But then he's gotten passed by his workout, buddy, Kepka. So I think that he might draft off a Kepka a little bit.

Mickelson, of course, I think he's finished runner-up. Six times. Yep, six times. And he's played well here. He said after he won here this year at Pebble Beach, that it has no to the U.S. Open because, you know, the Greens can look like granola bars at the AT&T that Mickelson's won several times. Yeah, and then so Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, McDowell is in that. group. That's Thursday at 1113. By the way, you know, Mickelson's fascinating. I love him. I love

his personality. I saw him hitting a hole in one in Jim Nance's backyard the other day on Twitter. That made me laugh. You know, with Mickelson, I feel like with Mick, he's the great shotmaker. He's the Kobe Bryant of the golf tour. He took some ill-advised shots, but Mick's the great shotmaker. But can he go up against these long driving young guys for a series of days in a weekend, in your opinion, Paul, and win this thing? I don't know if he's going to, obviously, but he's like really the left-handed version and kind of the modern-day Arnold Palmer for Kahn because he does hit a lot of shots, plenty of them are bad shot.

But Mickelson's won a whole bunch of golf tournament, and he's done that in the Tiger era, best left-hander to ever play, maybe best top-10 player of all time. And it's the kind of golf course. You know, this is the Horses for Courses kind of golf course, where if you've never been there and you don't understand Seaside, Poana, you've got no chance. Nicholson grew up on this. And as I say, you know, this is probably the second shortest golf course other than maybe Marion that the USDA plays U.S. opens on.

And I believe the old guy, Mickelson, knows this is probably his last chance. Oh, boy, that's great. And he's going to give it as all. Oh, that's so good. Paul Azing, you're joining us. Okay, finally, Brooks Kepka, you know, he is Mike Trout and Kowai Leonard. He's not going to talk much, but he's a mom. He's won a couple of these things in a row.

So how does his game work on, I mean, I guess you could say every course works for his game, but how does this course work for Brooks Kepka? Well, you know, he's kind of our guess the modern day Billy Casper. He won 50-something tournaments, 54 tournaments during the Big Three generation. It kind of was unsung, and, you know, the four majors in such a short amount of time has put him on a whole other level. I just, you know, it's weird. I think that Kepka is really going to change golf every bit as much as Tiger did.

in that working out in that whole fitness thing because, you know, he has those like straight little skinny arms and all that. Now he's turned into a Hulk. He looks like a linebacker. I wonder if in 10 years from now that Brooks Kepp will be deemed small in the game of golf. Well, you know, it's funny about this stuff, Paul. We talk about it all the time. Steph Curry has changed the game. He eliminated centers, the little kid from Davidson. This happens all the time in sports. I mean, I said this yesterday. Mike Vic gave so many kids the next 25 years a chance to play quarterback, the fastest guy in the field. You never thought about making the fastest guy your quarterback.

Kepka just frankly looks different than all the other golfers. And I think to your point, we're living in a health and wellness era. I think you could be on to something. Well, these guys that are 6-2 and 6-3 and stud athletes and other sports realize they're getting their brains beat out. And if they start to choose golf and then put on some kind of a fitness program or regime like Kepka's, proven as possible. I feel like there's a future could be golfers that are gigantic and hitting at miles. We really believe Victor Hovlin has the potential. I don't know. We'll see, Colin, in 10 years from now, if these guys are showing up that are just enormous. Well, Tigers back in it, Dustin Johnson,

Phil Mickelson, Brooks Kepka, McDowell. This is going to be absolutely unbelievable. The groupings are fantastic. Paul, thanks for stopping by our show, bud. Appreciate it. Hey, no sweat. And also on FS1, the first two days before it goes on network, we're going to focus on Kepka and we're going to focus on Tiger. Man, I can't wait. Thanks, Paul. Appreciate it. You got it. See you. Yeah, I mean, listen, there's been a couple of U.S. Open memories for Tiger.

First of all, back in 2001, but he had 15 under one by, it was just incredible. This tournament, the reason the U.S. Open is great. Listen, British Open looks the craziest. Masters is the most, it's the gentlemen's. And we had the Great Norman meltdown, right? Wait for Sunday at Augusta. U.S. Open's got a little wild to it. It's got a little tougher rough to it.

And when you put it at Pebble Beach, you cannot. It's an art. It looks like a painting for four days. It is going to be so much fun to watch. And you got bombers now. You got Dustin Johnson's a bomber. Tiger's not even one of the bombers anymore. You got Brooks Kepka.

You got Tiger playing great. And as he said, this could be Phil Mickelson's last chance. Jordan Speeth has fallen off the radar. Can he hook it back in? This is going to be an unbelievable U.S. Open. A lot of storylines. The fading stars, the aging stars, the thriving young players. Boy, if Brooks Kepko wins this puppy, we got ourselves.

I mean, then you start talking about all-time guy. You know, after Tiger won, you know, four of six, it's like we got an all-time guy. Coming up, really bad fan behavior. When is it over the line? When is it acceptable? When is it actually funny? And when is it dangerous? We'll talk about that.

And take you back to some moments that might make us, haven't seen them all yet, and Joy and I uncomfortable, fan behavior. It feels like, are we right or wrong on this, it's getting worse. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific

on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Great to have you in. Really inappropriate behavior last night by Mark Stevens, an owner of the Warriors, pushed Kyle Lowry who went into the stands. For all the fans saying it's no big deal, the Warriors banned him for the rest of the finals.

Joe Lacobs owner said she got home last night. This has just been reported. She was getting hate mail. And that was for a different thing. That wasn't. Somebody just sent me that. So it's pretty hostile right now on the Internet for Mark Stevens. but I wanted to look back.

We're going to look back at some behavior, and Joy and I, we'll watch this with you, and is it just a fan being a fan, or if you ran a league, would you ban the fan? And I haven't seen all these. I remember them. I have them on a list. I don't recall all of them, but we will watch this together. Radio listeners, I'll try to keep you up on this.

Is this just a fan, or is this worthy of a ban? So let's go on this. The Criminal Courts. the only courts where justice needs to be served. It's time to render the final judgment on fans that got out of line. This is fan or ban. All right, here we go. Russell Westbrook, this was in Denver, February 1st of last year.

The fan comes on the court, got shoved by Westbrook, fan or ban, Joy Taylor. Definitely ban. You cannot come out on the court and get in a player's face. He's lucky that that's all Westbrook did. Yeah, I'm with you on that. That's a ban. It doesn't matter if you touch. A fan is on the court yelling in Westbrook's face.

By the way, he was banned from Nuggets game. So that's a ban for both of us. All right, the next one. This is Russell slapping away a phone. This was last year. I think it was in the first round of the playoffs against Utah. You can see a fan there. And Westbrook's agitated.

All right, Joy, fan or ban? I wouldn't ban this fan in so much as just have a conversation about not putting your phone in someone's face. I don't have a problem with how Westbrook reacted. I don't know how I would react if someone was shoving a phone in my face either. I don't think it's worthy of getting banned, but I also don't have a problem with the way that Westbrook reacted. I don't love how Westbrook reacted if I run the team or his coach.

I'd rather not worry about goofball fans. I don't think it's a ban. But you know what I think this is? It's a good warning. Get your phone out of players' faces. Yeah. So we're both fan on that. Okay, let's go to this is Drake and Nassau. Nick Nurse, this year's playoffs.

He walks up and does a massage thing. Fan or ban? Fan. I didn't love it. You liked it more than I did. I didn't love it. I don't dislike it either, though.

I mean, I think that this is Drake, and I think that the Raptors love this, and I think he's a part of, he's not a part of their team. I don't want to say that, but he's a part of the Raptors persona, I guess. Like, you know that Drake is going to be the games. You know he's going to be yelling and entertainment.

He is part of the team. I think he is, actually. It's very Spike Lee to me, so it doesn't bother me. All right. Let's go. Speaking of Spike Lee, let's go, fan or ban, 1994, Eastern Conference Finals. Fan, Reggie Miller, Spike Lee. What do you make of that?

That's fan. I mean, Spike Lee is a legendary basketball fan. That's a legendary moment. It's obviously just fan. No ban. It's so funny that people got worked up over it. Considering what we saw on the previous videos, it's so tamed. Yes, it is.

All right. We agree. That's a fan, not a ban. Okay, let's go to the next one. This is run our test. This is 15 years ago, frightening. Pacers, Pistons, malice at the palace. People start throwing stuff.

That was a, wow. A fight seemed to be calming down. Our test lies down on the scorers table and somebody throws a drink at him. This was just mayhem. This was a terrible look for the NBA. Look at that. Fan or ban? Obviously, ban.

If you throw a drink on someone, and it's technically assault. So I'm with you. I had no problem with the reaction of run our test either. People feel entitled and like there's some protective bubble. Look at these idiot fans. You can get hands on you at any moment. By the way, what was interesting, I took the player's side on this.

What was interesting, how many of those fans had criminal records? It was unboldled. The Detroit Free Press came out with an article. These fans throwing crap were creeps. I mean, obviously, like this is a hard. It's even hard to watch. It's not a good look. But this is what we're afraid of when you put hands on someone.

and this is what can go down. All right. I have not seen this one. Maple Leafs, Ty Domi, tough guy, 18 years ago, spraying water. So he's spraying water on the glass. Oh, then he sprays it on the fan. And the fan comes over and tries to hit him. Fan or ban?

Well, I have seen this before. I think you have to ban him because the fan climbed over there. But, I mean, what are you doing? Squaring water on a fan. By the way, Ty Domi, it should be noted, he was fined. he did not receive a suspension. Yeah, I think you have to... It's interesting.

Do I not ban the fan because Tidomi sprayed water on him? I actually think, now that I'm thinking about it, I actually think that you can't ban the fan. Because I just said it, throw a drink on someone, it's a salt.

So I don't think you can ban the fan in that spot. I'm kind of with you on that. I think, you know what I think I do? I fine... You should have suspended Tidomi, though. What do I do to the fan, though? I mean, I don't know. What can you do?

He's defending himself. You can't throw a drink on someone. You can't squirt water in someone's face. You just can't do it. By the way, that was in Philadelphia. What a shock. Just when I started to fall in love with Eagle fans. Okay, how about this?

I was at this event. I'm not joking. The fan man. 1993. James Miller Wackadoo parachutes into Caesar's Palace. It was during Holyfield and Riddick Bow 2. Second minute, seventh round. Lines got tangled into the lights.

He fell, got knocked unconscious. I'm in one of those pictures, standing next to a sportscaster named Jerry O'Lennon. I am somewhere in these pictures. What do you do with this guy? I mean, clearly ban him. How about mental institution? By the way, I'm standing there next to Jerry,

and we are standing watching it. And you'll put the camera back on me. I'm not lying to you. This is a true story. And we're watching it, and we both go, because it was dusk. And we both go, what in God's name is, pow, it hit the ring.

You can see it coming right into us. It's the craziest night of my. sports life. That's insane. Lewis Farrakhan and his bodyguards were there. Some people initially thought it was an attack on Lewis Farrakhan.

Right. So there were guns drawn. It was a very frightening situation. The people in Vegas, the security, did an amazing job at Caesar's Palace to keep this under control. It could have been very scary. All right.

How about this? Royals, White Sox, fan or ban. Royals were playing the White Sox. Two meatballs run out in the stands and attack Tom Gamboa. What in the hell? I think that you wait a couple minutes and let them let the team take care of it and then you ban them.

I mean, that's crazy. Can you even, I would put those guys in prison? Well, yes, I'm sure they spent some time in jail for that. Tom Gamboa said, It doesn't matter whether you're at a game or on the street. You jumped on. I want to know where those two loser fans are now. I'm going to vote on this.

They're not running a Fortune 500 company. That's a solid guess. Okay. Here we go. Steve Bartman, Game 6, NLCS, Cubs Marlin. Moises Hulu goes over to catch a foul ball. Steve Bartman interfered with a catch. Fan or ban?

Fan. And this is the saddest story ever. Ever. In the history of sports. It bothers me every time. It just makes me so angry. It's the worst part of sports fandom. By the way, he's barely over.

He's barely over the race. railing. The poor kid's like a recluse now. Yeah, it's awful. That's, so you and I agreed on everything except Tide Domi. I think I'd have done something to the fan. I don't think you can. I think, I don't think you can.

If you were on the player's side with Mouse in the Palace, that's how it started. So if I sprayed water on Goulet because he screwed up another segment and he hit me. Well, I can't suspend him. I mean, I think you kind of both get suspended there. I have a lower standard than you. So, God, look at some. That hockey thing is crazy. crazy. That White Sox thing is nuts.

I mean, yeah, it's scary. That's why the NBA has to do something. It can't, you can't let it fly. The white sock moment is assault. Yes. That's assault. Yes. So, and by the way, this all started, of course, because of what we saw last night. The herd. I'm Michelle McPhee, and I've been unraveling the strangest criminal alliance I've ever reported on. A Mormon polygamist and an Armenian businessman.

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