The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NBA Finals, Lakers, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, and the Patriots

Episode Date: June 13, 2019

Colin gives his pick for game 6 of the NBA Finals while saying how long the dynasty of the Golden State Warriors will probably last. He also explains what the Los Angeles Lakers should do to get New Orleans Pelicans F Anthony Davis, his thoughts on Boston Celtics G Kyrie Irving firing his agent, and why more teams should be copying the New England Patriots. Guests include Antonio Daniels, Mark Medina, and Chris Haynes. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's great to be here. Tonight game, six NBA finals. I like Toronto big. I want to start the show with this. It is hard when you're a family. Forget an individual, but when you're trying to corral a family, coach a family. It's hard enough to individually get over grieving.

But if you're trying to coach 12, 15, 18 professionals to simultaneously get over grieving, it's virtually impossible. It is why I like Toronto tonight big. More focused, more energized, healthier, no emotional distractions. I don't think you can ask Golden State with the KD injury and how it transpired to walk on stage tonight for three and a half hours while they're grieving as a family and perform at the highest level. Steve Kerr talked about it. Steve Kerr's still talking about it. Steve Kerr talked about Katie's injury yesterday. Kevin checked all the boxes and he was cleared

to play by everybody involved. Now, would we go back and do it over again? You're damn right. But that's easy to say after the results. When we gathered all the information, our feeling was the worst thing that could happen would be a re-injury of the calf. I don't know what else to add to that other than had we known that this was a possibility, that this was even in the realm of possibility. There's no way we ever would have allowed Kevin to come back. I'm not here to point fingers. It happens.

But this is a different team with Kevin Durant. They scored 34 points in the first quarter on the road with him, 44 points in the entire second half without him. They shot 57% with him. They shot 42% without him. Golden State is frankly too small without KD and Kvon Looney tonight. 611.5, 6.9. They got no chance.

Tonight's a blowout Raptors win. Golden State will look small, exhausted, and outmaned. My only concern is, do the Raptors get tight if it's close? I think Nick Nurse knows that. I think they want a comfortable lead late. because if it's close, all bets are off. Teams that haven't won titles tend to be tight before they win their first. And I also think, and I don't think this is exaggeration, the Warriors Dynasty, I think it ends tonight.

It lasted five years. You got five finals. You won three titles. This is about how long they last. Bogut's retiring. Bogey's not coming back. Katie won't play next year. Sean Livingston probably quits basketball.

A lot of size, a lot of length, leaving Oracle. They're going to look a lot like the Portland Trailblazers, but a better version. A dynamic coach, back court, two great guards, and then not enough size and not enough scoring in the front court. NBA Dynasties, five years is generally the norm. What about the spurs? What about them? Three titles. Five years.

Tim Duncan's Prime, then they didn't win for another six. All these dynasties have an expiration date. Players get old, injured, and tired of each other. That's what it really is. The three tiers in the NBA that end the dynasty. Age, injuries, and bickering. Five years, five finals, three titles. This is how it ends.

Outside of New England, same thing in the N. NFL. Troy Aitman, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Steelers. Yeah, it's five, six-year runs. Even New England's dynasty had a 10-year gap between titles in the middle. Great early, great now. And it's running out. So I don't think it's an exaggeration. I don't think it's hyperbolic. I don't think it's over the top. Kevin Durant probably leaving, if not, won't play. A woe said yesterday, he does not believe the issue. injury changes anything. The Knicks still want him. He still wants New York. The last thing he's going to do is opt in for one year. That would be the riskiest thing to do financially, and

frankly, he's not playing next year. Katie's out for the year. So I think tonight's the end of a dynasty. It's been great. Suck it up when you can. The new arena will be fantastic, and you'll be a very good basketball team. But what you're going to see tonight is a team that is long, focused, healthy, the Raptors comfortably. All right, let me shift to this. By the way, props to whoever brought me an egg sandwich this morning with bacon on a biscuit. Don't eat that much for breakfast.

Fantastic. So I'm reading the headline on this. Lakers trade rumors. Pelicans want Kyle Kuzma also included in the Anthony Davis package. And all I saw yesterday, all over the internet. Yeah, just do it. Get it done. Yeah, I mean, he's just an end table and a big furniture shuffle.

No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. He's a 19 point of game, 23-year-old. You just don't throw in Kyle Kuzma. It's real simple. It's basic math. The four best teams in the league last year, Golden State, Milwaukee, Toronto, and Houston averaged about 116 points.

LeBron plus AD get you 55. Where you get in the other. 66. How are you going to cobble together if you give up Ingram, Lonzo, and Coosma, where are the points coming from? You got to drive to the arena every night with 70 points. LeBron 25, 26, AD 26, Coosma 20, you got 71, 72 points. Grocery stores can't restock 90% of the shelves every morning. Do you have a few? fresh produce daily? Yeah. Do you have fresh baked goods daily? Yeah. But you got to have 75% of the store when you open the doors in the shelves. You start throwing in Kyle Coosma, a 23-year-old who averaged 19 a game for a dysfunctional team that lost the two big distributors, LeBron and

Lonzo. So take Coosma out, put him with the Pelicans. Here would be the Pelicans roster after the trade. Lanzo, Zion, Kuzma, Drew Holliday, Brandon Ingram. That's better than LeBron A.D., the team getting the star. Plus, they want the number four pick. Don't give up the farm. Or you become the Knicks when they got mellow. He got nutting around him. Just a $10 million shandelier in an empty house. I also saw a story where the Celtics are also in talks for Anthony Davis. Oh, please. I don't buy that for a second. That's Danny Aange simply driving up the price for the Lakers. Celtics aren't going to take him.

Danny Aange is not giving up pieces for Anthony Davis, who's a one-year rental. In fact, Rich Paul, Anthony Davis's agent, has said publicly, he's not resigning there. Danny Age isn't going to, why is this story out? Danny Aange keeps secrets really well. Suddenly this story is all over the papers, all over the Internet. You don't get anything out of Danny Aange. suddenly now, oh yeah, it's just leaking. Why?

He wants the Lakers to read it and give away more to get Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis has said, I'm playing for two people. Nick's Lakers, preferably Lakers. By the way, the Pelicans are also leaking this. Why? Because they know Laker chemistry took a hit last year when all the young kids read their name in the papers on the Internet. They're getting traded.

So what are they doing it again? Putting all the Laker players out there leaking. the story, putting their names out. So if the trade isn't consummated in the next week or two, Lakers have a massive chemistry issue going into next year, and they know it. So Aange is leaking. The Pelicans, David Griffin, they're all leaking this because they know the Lakers have all the leverage.

They don't have to give away anything. Here's Lonzo. Here's Brandon. Here's a four-pick. Buy. Give us Anthony Davis. People leak stuff when they're trying to regain or gain. gain leverage. Danny Aange is leaking stuff because he's got no leverage here. He wants to

punish the Lakers. He said before I could never work for that team. David Griffin's got no leverage. He's leaking stuff. Trying to get leverage. Boy, you better make this deal. They're throwing all those young Laker players out there to read it again. David Griffin and Danny Aange, this is all about trying to gain footing, hurt the Lakers. Lonzo Brandon Ingram and a four-pick is enough. This idea you just throw in Kyle Kuzma. He's 20 points a night. He's 23.

He doesn't get hurt much. You don't just throw that in? That's not a throw-in. That's a starter in the NBA average in 1920. How many guys in the league average 19 plus? It's math. It's the grocery store analogy. When you walk into a grocery store and open the doors,

the general manager, 75, 80% of the shelves has got to be stock. You can't restock the store every day. You can't restock it every day. Fresh bread, yeah. Fresh produce, yeah. Fresh dairy, yeah. The rest of the stuff's got to be perishables, got to be on the shelves.

When you drive to an NBA arena every night, you've got to have 75 points to the bank. Golden State knows when Kevin Durant giving you 28, Steph 24, Clay 19, 19, Dram on 16. I got 81 points driving to the arena. Iggy gives me 20, we win by 15. You got to have stuff in the bank. So Rob Polinka, don't buy the Celtic stuff. It's nonsense. Don't trust the Pelicans.

They're just gassing everybody up to make your chemistry worse. Don't buy that. Stand firm. Never ever negotiate against yourself. It is a bad way to operate. By the way, Vegas this morning is telling you where all these free agents are going. Forget reporters. Vegas is telling you. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports

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room somewhere. I just had an egg sandwich that was remarkable and it is great to be here. Don't forget, I'm not on FS1 the next couple of days, but U.S. Open starts in about two and a half hours. What is a coverage start on Fox Sports 1 today for the U.S. Open?

I believe in a few minutes it starts. A few minutes it starts. I think 930 Pacific. Is that what's knocking me off today on FS1? Is that If it wasn't that, it would have been soccer. Okay. Yeah, the U.S. Open this weekend is going to be absolutely crazy good this weekend. By the way, go further than ever with the Discover at Miles card.

35,000 miles become 70,000. They match automatically the miles you earn at the end of your first year, Discover.com slash travel. So everybody's trying to guess where all these guys go. Some of us have sources. Some of us don't. And there's a lot of speculation on where guys go. And, you know, Kevin Durant's injury, you know, could be the,

X factor in Houston this summer. Do they believe their window's extending? They don't have to make as many moves because Golden State will just be Steph Clay and Draymond. Boogie's going to be gone. Livingston retires. Iggy may retire. KD's not playing and could leave.

So no KD equals obviously much more league parity. Prime example. Next year, Vegas has eight teams at 12 to 1. Odds are better to win. This year, or this past year was half that, only four. So it's interesting to what Vegas. Vegas is telling you. Vegas has to make, they have to make bets on this, right?

And they can't get burned. So the one thing Vegas knows, we know, and everybody knows, Kyrie Irving is a strong, strong lean to Brooklyn. That of all the rumors is the most formidable and I believe the truest. And Vegas knows that. I know that. I've been told that by two current NBA players. Kyrie Irving to Brooklyn, 75% lock.

So knowing that, what is Vegas, what are the Vegas odds? So the Vegas odds have the Warriors as favorites, but not as overwhelming favorites, meaning KD won't be there. Now you could say, Colin, of course, he's heard he won't. Ah, but the Knicks now have the ninth best odds to win the championship, meaning Vegas is telling you, Kevin Durant is going to the Knicks. They won't be a championship team, but they will be interesting. The Lakers now in Vegas behind the Warriors as the number two pick to win the championship. What does that tell you?

They're landing Anthony Davis and probably keeping either Brandon Ingram or Kyle Kuzma. The Bucks are the third choice by Vegas, meaning they're young and keeping everybody and still maintain their edge. The Clippers now moved a fourth, telling you obviously they're getting Kauai Leonard. Vegas has the Celtics at fifth, meaning with or without Kyrie. They're on the outside looking in for a championship, but still elite. The Raptors, if they win tonight and I think they will, would only be the sixth best team in the league, according to Vegas next year, meaning they're losing Kauai, but they are hedging their bet a little because they think he may lean clippers but hasn't made up his mind yet.

The Rockets are seventh, which is about what they should be given Chris Paul's current physical state. The Sixers are eighth in Vegas, meaning they keep Jimmy Butler. The Knicks ninth, meaning they add KD, and then it's a bunch of good teams, Nuggets, Thunder, Blazers, Jazz, that, you know, not title teams, but good. the Nets, by the way, the Vegas is also telling you they have the Nets as the 13th kind of tied for 12th to 13th best chance to win a championship, knowing they're getting Kyrie. Because everybody knows that. What does that tell you? Vegas and me don't think much of Kyrie when it comes to winning basketball games.

He's no better than DeAngelo Hall in terms of producing Ws. He's just a more talented DeAngelo Hall. By the way, the Pelicans, the power of Zion, and adding several Lakers in a trade, improved the most in Vegas. Their odds improved more than any other team. That's losing AD tells you, they think Vegas, Zion, Drew Holiday, and two or three Lakers. So that's what Vegas tells you. Katie's going to be a Nick. Anthony Davis is going to be a Laker.

Kauai going to be a Clipper. Jimmy Butler staying with the Sixers. Nick's getting KD. Nets have Kyrie and it won't matter much. In fact, the most improved team, Zion and a few Lakers, losing AD to the Pelicans. Eight teams, 12 to 1 odds are better, double this current NBA season. Parry's never really worked in the NBA because it is a star-driven league.

Veteran newsman John Goulet. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Colin Kevin Durant announced yesterday that he did in fact rupture his Achilles like we all thought. And he already had surgery on it. He had that Wednesday morning. He posted a long statement on Instagram that included mentioning how much he wanted to be out there with his teammates because he loves basketball.

And that's what he does. So Katie wanted to play. The doctors cleared him. Warriors were told that the worst that would happen is he was reaggravate his strain calf. Can we finally put to bed the whole The Warriors are evil and forced him to play against his will? Well, he's an adult.

You know, we were talking about this this morning, preparing for the show. People choose to climb Mount Everest. They know the risk. They don't know the outcome. But they know the risk. Kevin Durant didn't know the outcome. But he was aware of the risk.

He's an adult. We make choices. Plus, just because a doctor is wrong, doesn't mean he was being evil about it. You know, the doctors thought he didn't think he could rupture his, he doesn't have an Achilles injury. Why would he rupture his Achilles? Nobody could predict that.

Okay, you're just talking about Kyrie Irving. Just a couple of weeks from becoming a free agent for potentially the biggest deal he'll ever have in his career. And he decided to switch agents. He parted with longtime agent Jeff Westler, and he is expected to sign with Rock Nation. I think it would have been a lot more fun if he had signed with Rich Paul, but whatever. Rock Nation, of course, huge connection to the Nets because Jay-Z had to sell his ownership's sake. of the Brooklyn Nets in order to start an agency because you can't do both. Kind of a weird thing to do right before you become a free agent, right?

Well, I think Kyrie's flaky. So this is right. This is who he is. He's flaky. Hasn't his agent done a great job? I mean, the Uncle Drew campaign, I mean, remember, he wanted out of Cleveland. He listed a bunch of teams that were not competitive. They got him to Boston, a good program.

Listen, I have an agent, not that I do, because. I have to, right? Like, everybody that does what I do for a living has an agent. Sure. I always take pride in the fact I'm one of the lowest maintenance people he has. I call my agent, talk to him every five, six weeks. Some clients are really needy in our business, and Kyrie tends to be a really needy client. And, you know, I'm sure it was no day at the beach dealing with Kyrie for the last seven years. But I would say this. I'm in radio TV. I've had multiple agents. There are needy people out there in the entertainment business. Kari's just one of them. I mean, it obviously would be all speculation, but you do wonder what was the, if the agent was maybe trying to prevent him. Like maybe the agent said, hey, why are you going to the net when you could go join LeBron on the Lakers and, you know, maybe his agent was trying to talk some sense into him. Don't go play by yourself. I'm speculating. But I mean, it's not, it sucks for the agent, right? You're about to get the biggest payday, whatever percentage of $200 million and you get axed three weeks ahead of time. Well, this is, the Rock Nation's got a lot of agents freaking out. Um, because they're,

really good in the entertainment space. And finally, this is kind of a weird story. The New England Patriots have filed tampering charges against the Houston Texans. Oh, Jesus. I didn't get that wrong. The Patriots are the one who are not in trouble. The other team is in trouble. Oh, come on. That's a cheap shot.

So the Texans are apparently tried to hire Nick Casario as their new GM. He has been the Patriots director of player personnel for over 10 years now. So Houston fired their GM. on June 7th, the day after Robert Kraft had his Super Bowl ring party that was attended by Casario, as well as Texans vice president of team development, Jack Easterby. Now, that's because he was part of the Patriots staff last year, so he gets a ring. The Texans requested to interview Casario, and the Patriots had not given them permission yet. So basically, what it looks like is the Texans talked to this guy illegally.

He agreed probably to be their GM. They fired their GM the next day to make space for him. And then the Patriots said, no, you can't talk to him. Well, they're trying to become Patriot South. And I don't think it's a bad idea. I know everybody wants to be an original. But I think invention tends to be overrated and innovation tends to be underrated. Take something that already exists and refine it and sandpaper it instead of trying to invent a new product.

You know, again, Facebook didn't invent the chair. made a better chair. So to me, if you're going to copy somebody, New England's who you should copy. And by the way, Houston's a fairly good nine-win franchise. If Deshaun Watson's healthy, they're probably battling for a playoff spot. I don't understand why more people don't copy the Patriots. I've never understood this. Why don't more people do the triangle offense?

It seemed to work for Phil. Well, but why would you think you could pull one over on Belichick like that and he wouldn't say anything? I mean, nobody knows the rulebook more than that guy. how to abide by it or how to break it. Well, they've been hiring Belichick people for years. They've been nibbling at Belichicks. Listen, New England owns them psychologically. But I will defend the Houston Texans saying,

you know what those guys do up there? Let's do a lot what they do. This is what a lot of baseball people did with Moneyball. It's like, you know what? It works. Analytics. Dodgers went all in. Astros, Red Sox.

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Covered LeBron and the Cavs at the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Warriors for ESPN, and now he's joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Yesterday, Steve Kerr came out and said, Chris, you know, we're devastated. You know, we were talking about this as a staff this morning. A lot of people, people die every year on Mount Everest. They know the risk. They don't know the outcome. they think it's going to be a good outcome or they wouldn't scale it.

Katie's a grown man. Katie's going to play if Katie wants to play. I know we're going to blame everybody, but Kevin Durant's a man. He is a brand. And if he would have played and they would have won that game and he didn't get hurt, it would have cemented his legacy forever. And this time it went belly up. Do you still sense there's this finger pointing at the Warriors on this?

Yeah. I do, call him. Because, you know, look at Clay Thompson. Desperately tried to play and was campaigning to get on the floor for game three. The Warriors wouldn't let them. They wouldn't clear them. And so I understand what you're saying, but I really do feel that, you know, this was all up to the Warriors and their doctors. And they gave him the green light to go.

Obviously, he wanted to go. He's a player. You know, there's a tremendous amount of pressure and stress that's been going on. And I touched on that in my story for Yahoo Sports. After his devastating injury, they cleared him. Ultimately, he wasn't ready. He was nowhere close to 100%. But they felt like if he got to a certain percentage recovery-wise,

that they felt like he could give it a go. And Steve Kerr touched him yesterday that the worst they felt that could have came from it, that he reentered his calf. Well, the worst possible scenario occurred. And I think there's room then it's right to have some fingerpoint because there's still a lot of questions that are left unanswered. But we love the flu game for MJ. We love Kurt Gibson hobbling to the plate. We love Tiger Woods pushing himself, ill-advised for six years into tournaments.

These are Kurt Schilling Bloody Sock. We love these moments. These are iconic moments. Willis Reed. Listen, finally one didn't work. Like, isn't this what makes sports? Is that you play hurt, you play. In the NFL, it's not even called playing hurt.

It's called playing, because everybody's hurt. Isn't that part of sports? That's part of sports, and you're right. We do love those moments, those heroic moments. People are coming back from an injury and trying to give it all they have. But, you know, one thing that we don't love, well, I say some fans and media don't love, is that we don't love when a player sits out and try to protect himself

a la Coi Leonard and what he went through with the Spurs sat out, you know, during the postseason, didn't get back. And I think you can look at his situation now and kind of understand why he did take that path. And at the end of the day, Colin,

we can talk about these moments, but, you know, they're still human beings. I mean, the guy played 11 minutes. And if 11 minutes, he's losing, a whole season based off of the pressure and people saying, you know, is he really this hurt? Can you really get out there? So at the end of the day, I look beyond sports in this and I look beyond the moments and historical context of a flu game because even with Michael Jordan the flu, that's not as significant

as what Kevin Durrano do. He's going to lose an entire season of his prime in his 30s, all due to the fact that pressure from wherever it was coming from, internally. externally, he's going to lose the entire season to get back on the court to try to prove that he can help the team or try to prove that he wasn't as hurt as he was or whatever the case might be. So it's a difficult situation. That's why I'm saying that I still think there's blame to go around. I think the dynasty ends tonight, and I don't think I'm being too hyper. They're not resigning bogey. Bogot's retiring. Livingston May 2, and Kevin Durant won't play

and probably leaves. They're just losing them. size. They're going to look a lot more like Portland. And dynasties last about five years in this league. People get old, injured, and tired of each other. I feel Toronto wins handsomely tonight. And I'm okay saying, Golden State will be really good. But I do

think, quote, the dynasty ends tonight. Your thoughts? That could be the case, Colin. It depends, though. I think without KD, they fall into the pack. What I mean, fall into the pack, they fall into the higher echelot teams out there.

There's still a championship contended team, but they're not, you know, when we think of pecking order, we think of Golden State and we think of everybody else. So if they can get to the finals again, the next year I think it would be the sixth rate year if that happened, I think you could still continue to call them a dynasty because they got there. But definitely they're not, you know, what the owner used to say. What was the owner said? Light years ahead of everybody else.

They're not in that situation anymore. And they're just one of the top teams. the league. And so if they can, you know, advance to the finals again, I would still, me personally, I would still, you know, consider them a dynasty team, even if they fall. But definitely, you know, they're vulnerable and they'll be vulnerable, you know, as they've ever been during the championship run. I'm looking at the Vegas odds this morning, and they have the Lakers number two in the league, which tells you Vegas thinks they're getting Anthony Davis. It's seven days until the draft. you'd rather get the deal consummated before the draft,

because if you use your own number four pick, you may draft somebody the Pelicans don't like. I feel like this thing's going to get. I feel like Toronto wins tonight, and then the Lakers and Pelicans, out of respect to the league, they'll give it 24 hours, then they'll consummate the deal Friday afternoon.

I think it's getting done soon. Your thoughts? No, I thought that. I think I came on your show last week and said that as well, you know, you think about all that, you know, the dynamics of how everything's out and happened in January and February. And then, you know, David Griffin, he's new at the helm.

He wants to create a positive environment around that franchise head. You know, you know, Anthony Davis doesn't want to be there. So you want to make sure that, you know, when they draft Zion Williamson, they don't want any lingering negative effects, you know, that's still going on with the AD situation to still be in the house. They want to present him with the best positive infrastructure franchise, you know, in the lead. And so that's why I think he has a very good chance of this being consummating pretty quickly.

Because another thing, too, David Griffin, I was told he's been giving the reins to do whatever he feels is best for this franchise, even if it does mean trade them to the Los Angeles Lakers. And, you know, he doesn't have any ill will or ill fillers tied to what happened four or five months ago. You know, he wasn't a part of the franchise. So he's going to do it his best for the organization to move on and put Zion Williamson in the best possible situation. to succeed. So, no, I would tend to agree with you. I think it can happen rather quickly. Kyrie to Brooklyn feels like the only guarantee today. AD to the Lakers feels like number one or two. Do you feel Kauai? How do you feel this morning about Kauai and his choices? Oh, I don't know. If you would have asked me this before the finals, I would say I still think

Kauai is leaving, but I don't know. I don't know how to feel. I'm kind of just everything that's going on with the Toronto Raptors and how they handle it. go to his situation. They built trust. It's hard for me to see him leaving. But, you know, I talk to my coworker in Surat Singh, you know, who works with Viyahoo, covers the Raptors up there. And she told me, you know, she can see a scenario to where Kauai, even if he wins the

if he wins the finals, she could still see him leaving because he's given the Raptors all that they could ever ask for. Like, how can he be mad at that? That gives him free reign to leave. And I've never looked at it like that. And so I'm a little bit more conflicted on what I think is going to happen with him. I still think the ultimate destination in L.A., but just what the Raptors have been through and how much they invest in him

and how much they just handle his injury throughout the course of the season. I just think they really have to consider that. Chris Haynes, good talking to you, bud. Take care of Colin. You bet. U.S. Open Pebble Beach. I'm watching it right now, FS1, the U.S. U.S. Open.

It's going to be a great U.S. Open this weekend. Women's World Cup U.S. Open. Coming up next, it's rubbing people the wrong way. He's on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and he's an agent, and he's LeBron's friend, and people don't like it. Next. Be sure to catch

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Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Is that some Snoop? Nice. Bringing Snoop in today. This is, uh, yeah, we are, uh, I'm doing my show today in a radio studio, which is takes me back to the old days, back to Tampa and Portland when I was just a, America's beloved radio icon.

Now, you know, I'm TV and handsome and stuff. But this is where Casey Kasem did his show. Rush Limbaugh did his show from here. And I can sense the ghost of Casey Kasem. Very fired up. Seacrest has done shows from here. Seacrest out. Very exciting.

So I'm reading the story, Sports Illustrated. They used to be a big deal, not so much. But regardless, the Kingmaker, why Rich Paul will own the NBA summer? a picture of Rich Paul in the cover of S.I. And he's an agent. He's an agent. Nobody likes this. I text Rich Paul last night. I'd love to get him on the show today. I text him today. What Rich Paul is is what many agents aren't.

Honest. Here's a quote that doesn't play well with people around the NBA, but it's refreshingly and remarkably honest. He goes, the Celtics can trade for Anthony Davis, but it'll be for a year. I mean, we can go there. He said, we'll abide by our contractual obligations, and we will go into free agency in 2020. I've stated that to them. But in the event that Danny Ains decides to, you know, make the deal, that's fine.

You want to give away assets? That's fine. But don't blame Rich Paul. He's incredibly honest. He is LeBron's friend met years ago, and he's become an agent. And LeBron was his first client, but now he's got a stable of really good players. He also says about the Lakers. Quote,

LeBron's 34 years old. Anthony Davis is 26. Someone LeBron's done playing, the Anthony Davis trade still rolling. What's a better place to do it from? L.A.? If it's L.A.? I never said L.A. No negative to that, though.

Who gives a blank? What you're talking about? About me trying to help LeBron out? No, I'm not, but I'm trying to help Anthony Davis out. Now, if helping Anthony helps LeBron in the long run, so be it. But my goal's Anthony Davis. Again, Rich Paul came out and said he doesn't want to be in New Orleans. Everybody freaked out.

Rich Paul is saying Anthony Davis wants to be in L.A. People are uncomfortable. Rich Paul is saying Boston isn't really going to get him long term and nobody likes this. I would rather have bad news up front. People always thought Simon Cowell was mean on American Idol. I'm like, instead of wasting the next nine years in lounges, Simon Cowell's like, nah, you're not really a professional singer. You know, you can do bad lounges, but you're never going to make any money.

He just saved you a decade of time. Go get a real job. You're not going to make it. You're not Whitney Houston. And I think Rich Paul has no filter. Maybe that's why I like him. And I think he'd just have to understand that basketball players are international soccer players. And player movement in AAU basketball, college basketball in the NBA,

has always been controlled by agents and shoe companies. sometimes and sometimes or shoe companies. And the basketball stars are commodities. And 99% of them you can spot by the time they're 17 years old. That's why 95% of the stars in the NBA got picked in the top 15 picks in the first round. Whereas half the NFL, Hall of Famers, half the league is undrafted. You don't spot it.

Low, slow developers. Guys don't get great until they're 27. I mean, Tom Brady's so much better now than he was in his physical prime. So on average, if you go back 40 years, I've done this before because I have no life, the NBA draft, on average, gives you three all-stars. That's it. And those guys become corporations. In the NFL, it gives you multiple pro bowlers a year.

In fact, in just one year, one year, the San Diego Chargers got Antonio Gates, a hall of Fame, tight end talent, and Chris Diehlman, a pro bowler, four times offensive lineman, in one draft, they got both undrafted. They didn't draft them. Unrestricted free agents. That doesn't happen in the NBA.

Two guys don't get drafted. One's a Hall of Famer. One's a pro bowler. Same draft. So people are freaking out in the NBA because Rich Paul is LeBron's buddy. And the old guard doesn't like it. But the old guard feels like, you know, we're kind of

losing control. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. The old guard is rich too. And they're only rich because this has been a players league since the 70s. And it's made everybody rich. Now, the old guys that are rich are losing some control, but they're still rich. The young guys are getting richer than ever.

and have more control than ever. But that's the business model of the NBA. That is not the business model of hockey, football, baseball. The business model of the NBA, which has made everybody in the league rich, is star-driven. Now, as time has evolved, the players now are getting richer and have more control. Their buddies are now agents. But that was just kind of the natural progression if you looked at any business. if a business is employee empowered and not many businesses are, the bosses have the power.

But if a business is employee powered over time, they'll get more power. I mean, couldn't you say over the last hundred years, corporations have more power than ever over employees? Yes. Whoever's got power 50 years ago, like NBA players, corporations, has more power today. the money siphons up to the top. People don't like seizing control and power. So Rich Paul cover of SI. Just watching Dustin Johnson.

Tiger's not teeing off for about four hours. So Tiger is teeing off at two something. So that's over four hours from now. It's great to have you in today. It really is. I love doing these radio shows only. I just absolutely love them. This is going to be such a great weekend.

Well, I don't have to wear makeup. I didn't shave this morning, not wearing pants. It's no big deal. I love this. We do have a camera in the studio. What is this for? Facebook. Oh, it's digital.

Yeah, all right. Who the hell cares? It doesn't even... Listen, the ghost of Casey Kasem's hovering over me. I'm a radio guy today. That's how I feel. There's pictures all over this building of radio icons. Rush.

George Nuri does the... Nori does the overnight... UFO stuff. Then you got Delilah. And then you got Seacrest. It's intimidating. It's very intimidating. And who's the other guy? Oh, Bobby Bones is a big star down in Nashville. Yeah, he's huge. And nothing

to me. There's a soda can. There's a frame picture of a soda can. That's me. Nothing here for me. I tell you. It just drives me. I mean, the pecking order, I'm not even in the order. I'm an old end table. Hour two next. One more herd? The herd

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What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night bases on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson,

we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, After you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Ah, this is The Heard. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we are live in Los Angeles. I Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, we'll plaster stuff all over social media today, no TV. US Open is on right now. Dustin Johnson is one under at the U.S. Open at Pebble Beach, USGA's U.S. Open. Beautiful overcast weather, not too hot. Tiger T's off in four hours. It's a great weekend because Rory's hot.

Tiger's playing well. Dustin's playing well. Miggleston's playing well. And Brooks Kepka is Thanos. He's destroying everybody. So it's just, it's a great U.S. So this has the potential to be a great U.S. Open. By the way, I interviewed Brian Koppelman before the show today.

A writer, producer of billions, that'll be on my Saturday morning podcast. It was great. It was the best Saturday podcast I've done. Good to have you in. Let me just say this. I watched the Stanley Cup last night, game seven. It was great. It was great story.

St. Louis Blues, congratulations. Second worst team in the league in January. He made a trade, fire the coach. They were the worst team. They were the pits. They were awful. And then they fired their coach. Then they won the Stanley Cup.

I mean, I feel bad for the guy they fired. He's got to be in like therapy now. It was great fun. And it got a 6-2 rating, which is the highest domestic rating for a NHL game in the history of America. And so I watched that it was great. It was great fun. It wasn't that close. The blues were dominating.

But hockey tends to be a blur of Olympic-level skaters going a thousand miles. an hour in helmets. And a Forbes magazine came out two days ago with the top athletes in the world in terms of endorsements. I'm going to read you the sports and tell me if you can see a trend. Tennis, golf, basketball, soccer, golf, basketball, soccer, tennis, golf, tennis, golf tennis, soccer, golf tennis, tennis, basketball, cricket, basketball, basketball, basketball, 21st, Drew Breeze. The five richest athletes, golfers, tennis, NBA, fighters, soccer stars.

Nobody wears a helmet. Wear a helmet? Not making the money. NHL, NFL. Tom Brady a couple years ago went really big into Instagram. Why? Why not Twitter? Because Instagram shows your face.

face. Face equals money. Face equals personal. I can see you. I can connect with you. Soccer and NBA guys have separated kind of from the world. NBA players have separated from every other team sport athlete in America, NBA guys. NBA stars are on a level now of international stars and individual athletes.

Damian Lillard makes more endorsement money than Tom Brady. Carmelo Anthony, a shot fighter, made more endorsement money last year than OBJ in his prime. It's why Rich Paul's aggressive. KD even injured, even out for a year. No impact on his value. It's why I support KD playing. He has a right to say, I'm playing. I heard the doctors.

But you can't have it both ways. You can't want these guys to be the highest paid people in the world. world, be a brand, have power, and then if they don't listen to doctors, and KD was told, listen, you could re-aggravate stuff. KD himself is directly. By the way, did you notice where KD delivered the news of the surgery? Instagram. He delivered it.

Not the team, not the league. So, but this is not a shot at hockey. It was a fun. It was fun. But a 6-2 is the greatest rating in the history, helmets. Now, the NFL overcomes it. But only one group of players in the NFL make any money. Quarterbacks.

They're the only ones that get endorsements. And that's easily the most popular sport in America. And they're not close globally or domestically to the NBA money. If I can't see you, if you got a helmet, it's tough. I think it's always been one of hockey's challenges. Most of us don't play it as kids. And watching it, it's guys in helmets going 1,000 miles an hour. And outside of a great goalie, and Bennington was certainly that.

You know, when I was a kid, I grew up with Bernie Perrant. He was the great goalie. He was the great goalie in the NHL. And that was Patrick Wall. And he was the great goalie. There's always been like a great goalie. Bennington's now the new guy. Like he's the wall.

Let me shift to this. This is funny. I think invention is overrated. I think invention, McDonald's did not invent the hamburger. I think innovation. is underrated. And I'll give you an example. Wouldn't you consider,

and I know some of you are, as I say that, you're such a sellout, can't believe it. I am a creative. I would never sell out. So for anybody listening that considers themselves pious, I am a creative, I am an artist.

The most artistic community in America demographically is Hollywood. Right? That's just a creative. community of Hollywood, that's writers and producers and actors. I drive through Hollywood twice a year. I feel more creative.

I want to sing and dance, right? That's what it is. Even Hollywood. Superhero movies and another episode of Law and Order. They eventually get into repetition. I don't understand why more people don't copy the New England Patriots. What was the big movie in America this year? Star is born.

What, it was it? The seventh remake, it should have been called Star is Reborn. Innovation is better than invention. Find something that is done well and do it better. So the New England Patriots are filing tampering charges against the Houston Texans. Because the Houston Texans have been for the last several years trying to become the Patriot South. They hired Bill O'Brien, former Patriot offensive. coordinator. They hired Romeo Cronnell, former New England defensive coordinator. They hired

George Gaudsay, the former New England offensive coordinator. They hired Mike Vrable, former Patriot player. They hired Vince Wilfork, signed him as a free agent. He was the rock of the Patriots front. They went and got Wes Welker, Jack Easterby, who was an Abilichick assistant. Now he's the Texans executive vice president of Team development. So they were trying to get Nick Cesario, who is the GM of the Patriots, the Patriots filed tampering charges. I completely respect what Houston's doing. Facebook just made a better chair. They didn't create the chair. I never understand, you know, you do realize the Palm Pilot is the predecessor for everything we use today. Now, the Palm Pilot, to my point, is at a business.

I think they run steakhouses now. I don't know. That's a bad joke. The Palm Pilot's dead. It's dead. But it's the predecessor of everything we do today. So why wouldn't you, this idea, I'm going to invent this. I mean, I was reading a story, and I'm not a musically inclined years ago about music.

And somebody was talking, some producer, it could have been Quincy Jones, like saying, you know, there's like, there's only like four, five, six different. You know, melodies. You're kind of looking for the same. Everybody's stealing something from somebody, and if you steal too much, you get sued. And again, some musicians listening to me and we'll say, I don't know what I'm talking about, which I don't. But the point being was every sitcom, I mean, they all look the same. The bar in cheers is the table in Cosby. The kitchen table, you know, is the room in friends, the loft in friends.

is the coffee house and friends. So, you know, this pride in invention. I watch Billions. It's my favorite show on TV. Well, Billions has a little Sopranos feel to it. It's got some midlife crisis, a family. You know, they're stealing from real life.

I'm not saying it's just borrowing. They're just, you know, Brian Coppelman, his favorite show all time was Sopranos. So does it have an influence on Billions? I can sense a little bit, not a ton, but a little bit. Goulet just had a good point. You know, Steve Jobs didn't Microsoft steal from Steve Jobs. I mean, they went back and forth.

Now, Apple did a much better job with a phone than Microsoft did. But, no, it's, I don't understand why more people, there's just so much ego and vanity. I'm not taking from, you should. I mean, when I was coming up through my career, there were all sorts of influences. I'm like, I'm going to take a little of this, a little of that, a little costas, a little Michaels, a little this. You just got to suppress your ego, of course. Interesting. I'm going to a party tonight, by the way.

Very big deal. A big Hollywood party? I know. It's a Manhattan Beach party. So it's like sweaters. It's not that fancy. Sweeters to a party. It's pretty fancy.

Well, it's on the, it's, you know, it's June gloom on the beach. so I'm going to a party. My buddy, Mark Willard, is a radio guy in San Francisco. He's officially leaving and moving his family up to San Francisco. So we're going to a big shindig tonight, big deal. A lot of drinks, Uber to Uber night. So tomorrow, if I'm a little foggy, that's why. Because mostly I go home.

Like last night I was in bed by 815. And I didn't go to sleep until 915, but I just turned the TV on 815. Well, plus you got the game tonight, so you're going to be watching that. Yeah, I'm going to just watch the game. So I'm going to say, hi, Mark. Good to see you. best of luck with your family. I got to go home and watch the game.

I can't be that. I can't, you know, that's why I have no friends. I don't have time for friends. I got to watch games. By the way, Kyrie apparently now is firing his agent. I got some thoughts on that. And I'll keep you updated as you drive around

and you can't watch the U.S. Open. Dustin Johnson's 1 under. I'll give you the big names in where they're at. Pebble Beach looks glorious today. Pebble Beach looks glorious every day. Scott Piercy leads at 4 under. Ricky Fowler's won back at 3 under. Gary Woodland, John Ram, Hadeki Matsuyama's 2 under, Jason Day's 2 under.

Rory McElroy is 1 under, Dustin Johnson, Sergio, 1 under. All right, there you go. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you, exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions,

the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsLice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests.

I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross.

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You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with the Adamania Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had hanginess happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that necessarily.

It's going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, Fupa's, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How high can it be? Getting naked at 50 with the new guy. That one's kind of hard.

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Nick's growing his hair out. It looks good. It makes it look younger. Softer. And Chris Carter's giving him nothing but crap. And it's just hysterical. I retweeted it. Two good dudes.

It's very funny. Antonio Daniels. is the television analyst, Fox Sports, Oklahoma. And I may criticize an occasional Oklahoman, but I always bring on your Jim Travers or your Antonio Daniels to box me around and get me straight. And Antonio is a former NBA champ, Blazers, Spurs, Sonics, Wizards. First of all, Antonio, we're in the summer months now.

How are you? I'm awesome, Colin. How are you? I am good. I will tell you, I think the Raptors win going away tonight. I don't think it's hyperbolic. I think the dynasty ends tonight. They last about five, six years. I think bogey is going to not be re-signed.

Kevin Durant leaves. Sean Livingston retires. Bogot's done. I don't think I'm being crazy. I think the rafters win. The dynasty sort of, they're good from this point forward, not dynamic. What do you make of that? I can understand your thought process, but I think Kevin Durant's injury may have changed a lot.

I'm not sure. You know, up to three. days ago, I had Kevin Durant leaving that entire time. But after what happened a couple nights ago, now my thought process is a little different. So if you're Kevin Durant, what's best for you to do being 30 years old? Do you sign a two-year deal or do you take a five-year super max deal and lock down that money because you don't know what the future holds as far as your success is concerned? You know, as far as your future is concerned. So that's tough, man. I don't think, I do think they lose today. I will say that. I agree with you. I think they lose, but I don't think the dynasty ends today.

You know, it's a guard wing-driven league, but I think Toronto's secret sauce beyond Kauai, Antonio, is their length. Gassal, Ibaka, Kauai is long, Pascal Siakum. They look so much longer, so many easy baskets. They deviate, they make you deviate your shots. I don't think it's going to change the league. I feel, though, Toronto's length has put this whole three-point world we live in on hold for a year. How do you view this series now? I agree, because I think this is the best defensive team that Golden State has faced in their run. What I mean by that is this, Colin, you have two guys that were defensive players of the year, and Martin Sal and Kauai Lennar. You have Sergei Baca who led the NBA in blocks. Kyle Lowry, the really good

the individual defender. Danny Green's a really good individual defender. Pascal Seaccom is a really good individual defender. So across the board, Van Bleak is doing a great job on Steph Curry. So across the board, when you talk about their top eight or nine guys, they're all really good defenders, and they're all long and athletic and leasy. So I get it. I agree with you, but I think once you remove Kevin Durant from that equation, that's why I'm not that guy that's on board with the whole, oh, this team is better without Kevin Durant. Against teams like Toronto, you need Kevin Durant. Maybe against Houston, for 48 minutes, you didn't need them. Maybe against Portland, for that series, you didn't need them. But when you're playing teams like the Toronto Raptors with their list and athleticism,

you need a Kevin Durant to offset what they bring defensively. Antonio, I've said this. If I was an agent, there is no way I could look at my 27-year-old client and go, you know what, don't take the guaranteed money in Toronto. Don't take the guaranteed money in Oklahoma City. I could never do that as an agent. I could not sleep at night. There's part of me that thinks all these guys, Jimmy Butler, Kauai, they're all going to stay put like Paul George, and I totally get it.

What say you? I agree with you because you're leaving a lot of money on the table. And I'm here in San Antonio. So Kauai Leonard left $30 or $40 million on the table to get out of San Antonio. And now, in essence, if he leaves Toronto and goes elsewhere, he's leaving another $40 or $50 million on the table. So that means in the last two years, he may have left $70 to $80 million on the table.

And you know what you hear all the time? Well, you know what? Kauai Lenters is not that guy. He's not built that way. $70 million and $70 million. I don't care how you built. I don't care. I am right there with you.

I would not surprise me one bit if Kauai Lenners stay. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Jimmy Butler stay. Yeah, you know, it's funny. You know, Kauai because, you know, you know San Antonio well, and you've been around this league. You know, Kauai's a fascinating guy, but, you know, Brooks Kepka doesn't talk much. Mike Trouton baseball doesn't talk much. Right. We have a Kauai Leonard in every major sport in the country.

You know, Alex English didn't talk much. He just gave you 25 a night. Like, I find myself, I kind of love Kauai. I kind of love what he is, right? In a Star-driven league, he's the silent movies. star, right? Right. He's an anomaly in the NBA. And a era that is about social media and how many followers you have and, you know, building your brand and, like, think about this, Colin. He left San Antonio, which is one of the most storied organizations in history, didn't know where he was

going, but he was okay leaving. He left Jordan Brand for new balance. With all due respect, I'm mad at him for that. I'm saying, if you grab 100 guys off the street and you say, do you want these pair of Jordans or do you want this pair of new balance, not one guy will say, I want those new ballots except Kawhi Leonard. So he is, he's different. He's different than everybody else. And I'm with you. I like that thought process. I like the way he thinks. I like how when the game is over, he's not celebrating. He's not pumping his chest. He's all about winning this series and winning the NBA finals and moving on. I love it. that. And the Raptors, in essence, they're a reflection of him. Because if you watch these games,

when these games are over, and the three wins that Toronto has, and no celebrating. There is no celebrating. They're walking off the game as if it's business as usual. Well, I mean, you know, when you were on the Spurs team, there wasn't a lot of flair. You guys were a business as usual. I remember being in the tunnel in Portland and watching you guys get off a bus and go out. You guys were all grown-ups. That wasn't a lot of flair with those. teams. Right. But the NBA is not that way anymore. The league has gotten younger. So now you have so many guys that are, you know, you won't say one and really, one and done. One and done. And they're coming into the league. And that is the way the league has gone now, though. So when I

went to San Antonio, we had David Robinson, we had Mario Ellie, we had Steve Kerr, we had Sharon Jackson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott. We were full of veterans that were proven and they have won that have been there. A lot of times when these young guys are getting drafted now, they're going into situations where they have to be the face of the franchise, and that culture upon that organization is being built around them. Yeah. What are you doing off-season, Antonio?

What do you do? What do you kind of hang out? Where do you go? Well, do a lot of NBA radio, and I'm still in San Antonio. I'm going to see in the middle of my basketball camp right now. It's started on Monday. It's from Monday through Friday. So that's why my voice is the way it is now.

All I've been doing all week has been screaming for the last four days. I love having you on. You're such an authentic dude. Antonio Daniels, absolute pleasure having you in, buddy. Appreciate you, Colin. Any time, brother. All right. This is a good dude.

You know, it's one of the things I love about covering the NBA. I get some criticism that I'm very pro-NBA. Almost all our guests have big personalities. even the guys that are seen as tough guys like Kendrick Perkins make me laugh. Like, you know, I say this all the time. Nothing against baseball. Baseball guys tend to be kind of insular and quiet. That's just kind of the sport, the history.

Basketball guys are talkers. They are, you know, one time I was telling Jalen Rose, I said, you ever get into a fight when I used to work over at the airplace? And he looked at his face and he pointed and he goes, that's my moneymaker. You don't mess with a moneymaker. And, you know, Antonio is just great. He just literally explodes.

He's just a talker. and it matters. Okay, Phil Mickelson's even. Phil Mickelson's the only guy, because I've interviewed Tiger twice. I had Charles Barkley this week. Do you know Phil Mickelson's the only person in the history of my career I've never interviewed and want to? I'd give Phil Mickelson an hour. I'd give him an hour.

I find him fascinating. He's got enough controversy. I love him. He's smart. You know, he loves betting on football. Super smart guy. Family guy. guy, cocky but relatable guy.

It's the only guy. It's it. I've interviewed, I interviewed Tyson, Barclay, Tiger, I've seen LeBron. I've had Obama twice. LeBron's like somebody I could interview, but like somebody that, like Tiger, I feel like I know a lot of LeBron because he's lived such a public life. I've interviewed Trump. I've interviewed almost everybody I want to interview. I really, there's not, there's not that many people. out there. Matt Damon

would be fun. Jamie Fox would be fun. I've met him. I met Matt at a UFC fight. You know, those guys, they all listen, watch. They love sports. Jamie Fox would be interesting. What about Brady? Oh, I'd love Brady. But, you know, Tom's very protective of Tom's brand. So Tom wouldn't

give me what I'm, it'd be great. I think I could make Tom laugh and think, but he wouldn't give me, he wouldn't give, he's kind of protected at this point. Now, when he retires, he may talk more. But NBA guys will give you everything right now. Like NBA guys are like, hey, I got a zillion dollars in the bank. I don't care. They don't feel like they have to protect anything because they are the league. So basketball players are just great talkers.

They don't give a rip. They just talk. They just, they don't even care how it lands. That's why I put so money on. They're so good. Pebble Beach is a painting. It's not even a golf course. When you put it on a television set, it's framed up. It's a painting. So beautiful. God, you're just looking over the cliffs. NorCal, so beautiful. Veteran French newsman, John Goulet.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Have you been up to Pebble before? Oh, yeah. It's Carmel. They literally charge you to drive on the road. Oh, Carmel, California, $4 million for 800 square feet. without a view of the water. It's like the most expensive real estate outside of Dubai in the world.

So a video was posted online after game five of the finals of a bunch of Raptors fans yelling and cursing at Steph Curry's parents outside of the team hotel. By the way, are two of the most likable people you could ever see. This comes a few days after a Raptors fan was arrested for making vulgar comments at Steph Curry's wife. They asked Steph yesterday about the incidents. It's hard to avoid those interactions with fans that want to make their imprint on the series somehow in some way, especially with social media these days. So I think it's kind of stupid, to be honest, in terms of people camping outside our hotel just to yell expletives at either us or our family members or whatever the case is. But we handle all that stuff of class and try to ignore it the best we can.

There's idiots in every country. First of all, yes, Steph handles the stuff better than anyone. It doesn't seem to ever really bother him. But has a fan base ever done a 180 like Canada has since like pre-game five? We thought Canadians were the nicest people. I forgot which late-night show it was, but a late-night show did a bit about how the Canadian fans won't even talk trash about the Warriors. And then all of a sudden they boo or they cheer Kevin Durant's injury or they're yelling at Stepfrey's family.

This is a tiny, tiny group of seven idiots. Like Canadians as a, I traveled to Vancouver, BC. It did last summer. I do, you know, every third summer. Canadians are incredibly civil, incredibly. I mean, you can sense it. There's a regal, sort of dignified sense of purpose, but there's idiots everywhere. You know, here's what I don't understand.

You're a young guy, so speak to me here. All right. This will sound really elitist, but when I was 20 years old, 30 years old, I never wanted to do anything that would screw up my career. Because I always felt like, I'm going to make a lot of money and have a great career. Yeah. I work hard. So I would never do anything in my 20s and 30s, you know, do math, do drugs. I wouldn't get a picture taken with alcohol

because I thought, I just don't want some corporate boss come to me 20 years from now and go, oh, you're an idiot. Any fan that does this stuff gets into a fight in the stands, you do realize now with phones, everything, any remark, any hat is for life. What you're basically telling me is you're admitting you're kind of a loser with no future.

Because if you're in your 20s, what you don't want to do is something damaging, on your Twitter or Instagram that a guy comes up to you and says, you know, I can't pay a $2.50 a year because you're an idiot and I got a guy who's no smarter than you, but is a non-annidate. So like when you're a young person and you're doing these things, you do get, bosses are looking at Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Tinder, they're everything. And all these images, I saw a Raptor fan flipping the bird off. Everybody in America and Canada knows who that guy, I guarantee.

that's made Facebook all over the country. Like, guys, young men, your idiocy now is captured on film and freeze-framed in eternity. You're killing yourself. Don't be an idiot. Have one less beer. I sound like a jerk there, right? I think that's fair. When I was a kid, we didn't have all these platforms.

And I was still worried about somebody saying something. You know, I saw a coward six years ago at a bar, and he was a jerk, and he said something mean to a woman. I was worried about it when you couldn't freeze frame my actions. Nowadays they tell people that, right? They tell you, like, don't put anything out. You wouldn't want to have brought up at a job interview. But there's a gap there of when, like, people first started using Twitter and Facebook where nobody thought of that. But now you can't have an excuse.

Two times in the four years I've been at Fox, because it was almost four years ago this week that I agreed to come to Fox. I was still working at the other place, but I agreed to come here. Four years, there's two people that I've considered hiring didn't. based on their Twitter. I'm like, I went to a boss and said, do do do do do get out of this space. Are you kidding me? Like these fans doing this stuff,

I went to watch that stuff, Curry stuff. I got a guy's face. He's like 25 years old. It's over. You can't hire him. We have paid a lot of attention this year to the Cowboys contract negotiations with quarterback,

Descott, obviously. But we've kind of been overlooking that they have another important player in the final year of his deal, Amari Cooper. They picked up his option, but this is the last year of that contract. It is. He talked about his contract situation yesterday and what he has been talking to his agent about.

I haven't talked to him in a minute. I really like talking about the contracts with them. I feel like it's one of those things that are just naturally happening. Yeah, I just handle my business. I'm more anxious about camp and actually playing football. So obviously you wouldn't normally worry about receiver. as much. I know you're not a big pro receiver guy, but last year, three and four before Jack got there, seven and two with him. And one of those losses was his first game where he

barely knew what the playbook was. This is the issue with the Cowboys. They've drafted really well. They have two great linebackers and a great pass rusher and a great corner. They got to pay all these guys. They can't pay both those linebackers. They can't pay Jones at corner. You at least have a couple years for Vanderash because he's on a rookie deal. He's a first round pick. But this is the last year of Amari's contract. And you You could argue he had more impact on the offense than Dak did. No, I, I, this is why the Eagles, by the way, are signing everybody early and getting everybody locked in. This is exactly why, right here.

They know Carson Wentz is $128 million. That's $215 million in two years because Patrick Mahomes is going to break the bank. And finally, I know you mentioned you watched game seven of the Stanley Cup finals last night. It wasn't the best game, but whatever. Did you see the story of Scott Barry? Yes, that's incredible. He put $400 down at the Paris-Las Vegas Hotel on the Blues who were in last place at the time to win the Stanley Cup, which would profit him $100,000.

What I didn't know was this. He went to another hotel and only got $150 to 1. So he actually searched around for the biggest payout. The thing I thought was the most interesting about him, and I don't think you would have done this, he didn't hedge. You would have hedged. I would have hedged. I was screaming at him. I don't know him, but I'm yelling at the TV when I see him.

How do you not hedge that bet when you could potentially give $100,000 on the line? Why wouldn't you guarantee yourself a big profit? But he didn't do it. He's a blues fan, and he ended up winning $100 grand on a $400 bet. I would have been the guy in Vegas telling his friend, you're flushing money down the toilet. Don't do that. But I guess I'm not as imaginative. I'm guessing you're not a big future better, are you?

Oh, I think one of my favorite things to do. I do it every summer is Vegas. I give you three college football teams. By the way, I got my Phil Steele book yesterday, so I went through that for two hours yesterday. I watched the Stanley Cup finals and read a still Phil Steele college football book. I was quite a pleasure to be around last night. Give me another Moulson.

And I've already have two of my three teams picked out, that Vegas over under. So I do bet I've won a little bit. Not substantial. I'll bet, you know, $20,000 per team. Nothing big. That's what you have on the Raptors tonight, right? I have a grand on the Raptors, and I'm freaking out.

I'm not joking. That's as much as I bet. I got a grand on the Raptors. Well, I believe you have them winning by 20. I think it's going to be a blowout. What's the stress? Well, I mean, here we go. Money Line.

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I saw nothing but buildings. I didn't see an oak once when I took the exit. We're in the valley. So we're next to the oaks in the valley. I didn't see a valley. I didn't see any oaks. This is Los Angeles. I saw buildings.

Good to have you in. We've all heard the term risk and reward. Right? We all know what that means. And the KD situation, you know what it is? All the KD backers, even my buddy Chris Haynes, they want the reward. They don't want the risk.

does everybody get if KD would have come back and this is what Katie was thinking about. This is why Katie tuned out people. If Katie comes back and they overcome a 3-1 deficit, it changes his legacy forever. He is in the LeBron Pantheon. Like there was a reward for this move. This was not leading 3-1. I don't think Katie comes back leading 3-1. I don't.

I wouldn't have advised it. trailing three to one, risk is you re-injure it, reward is nobody can ever say you're not needed in Golden State. Don't invest if you're afraid to lose your money. That's why there's a rule in investing. Everybody never invest with somebody that doesn't have skin in the game. Like the rich kid, like the rich kid whose dad is rich. So he's just using his dad's money in an investment.

Never invest with that guy. Got to have skin in the game. If it's your dad's money, I'm not going into business with you. it. Is it your money? You're like, that's, that's because as an investor, I want you to know that you and I both could lose our own money. So if we have the fear of losing our money, oh, that's scary. You're going to work the extra hours. Yeah, you're losing dad's money. It's not, trust fund kids, don't invest with them. And this whole situation is, what we want with NBA players, and we just, we don't do this with NFL players.

There is no term playing hurt in the NFL. It's just playing. Everybody's hurt all the time. Week two, everybody's hurt. Baseball guys. I mean, 162 games. Are you kidding? You think they're feeling great in June?

Hockey guys, honestly, they're checking each other into the boards. Game 9, NHL season, you wake up, soar. It's just the way it is. You're pulling stuff. It's the world's greatest hockey players. You're not healthy at the, at the, all-star break in any sport. And so there's a lot of coddling of NBA players.

I think it's patronizing. They're grown-ups. They're smart guys. They know their brand. They know the risk. Don't insinuate Kevin Durant's can't figure out the risk. Kevin Durant's smart. He knew the risk.

John Wall has been going out on the floor for the last several years. Not 100%. He knew the risk. Once he signed the big fat contract, he was willing to play hurt. And then he really got hurt. John Wall, he'd sit out games. Once John got the money, John's like, I'm going to go for it. And Kevin Durant's got $150 million net worth.

He's made six or seven massive Silicon Valley investments. Kevin doesn't need the money. Kevin's set for the rest of his life. But, you know, I think a lot of the NBA, the media in the NBA tends to pander. And I think a lot of it is because they don't want to lose access. There's like seven stars in the NBA. You've got to have their phone number. And in the NFL, you know, you can.

can get information from anybody. But in the NBA, media people, you got to have Jimmy Butler's number. You got to have LeBron or Rich Paul. I'm lucky I got rich. You got to have certain access to people or you don't get information. But the reality is it's called risk and reward. There was a huge reward for Kevin Durant here playing. Massive.

Massive. Just as big a reward in Silicon Valley when he puts $4 million down on an IPO. By the way, you two. or no, it was Uber. Uber IPO, bombed. A lot of money on the Uber IPO, bombed. Most IPOs don't bomb. Some do. Generally, stars come back, Kurt Gibson, Tiger Woods, they don't re-injure themselves. Sometimes they do.

But, you know, there was a reward with the risk. If Kevin would have come back 3-1 lead, I would have said, that's just stupid. That's dumb. Like Kevin was wrong, and the Warriors should have just said, you can't, we're not giving you a uniform. But I get coming back 3-1 trailing. Because when I watched that first quarter

and Kevin was the best player on the floor and I'm like, oh yeah. I mean, didn't you think after watching that first quarter? Oh, this changes everything. Changes the whole series. Mark Gassall's now got to go out and defend. They go from a great, invulnerable defensive team to a massive problem.

Kevin spaces the floor. So, you know, you just, I think it's my biggest complaint with this whole thing. The only thing that really is bothered me is that Steve Kerr has an opinion about everything. Politics, life, Trump, everything. And then after the injury, go talk to Bob Myers.

It doesn't work that way. You can't go silent on me. You talk about everything all the time. And by the way, I like your politics. I like your Twitter. I like all of it. I like Steve. I don't know him great, but I like him.

And I tend to kind of align with him politically, which is always, you know, you kind of curry favor with people you agree with. But the point is, Steve's got an opinion on everything. And then with Kevin Durant, the world's biggest star, I got nothing. I got, go over there.

That guy's talking. Now, Steve Kerr did talk yesterday about Kevin Durant's injury. Kevin checked all the boxes and he was cleared to play by everybody involved. Now, would we go back and do it over again? Damn right. But that's easy to say after the results. When we gathered all the information, our feeling was the worst thing that could happen would be a re-injury of the calf.

I don't know what else to add to that other than had we known that this was a possibility, that this was even in the realm of possibility. There's no way we ever would have allowed Kevin to come back. Listen, it's just the whole thing stinks. But like I said yesterday, you're a hypocrite if you say, I get goosebumps with Kurt Gibson. And then simultaneously you say, Kevin Durant shouldn't be out there. wrong. You can't do it.

If you're getting goosebumps on Michael Jordan's flu game, I go to YouTube and watch Kurt Gibson's home run five times a year. You know, we are, we love, by the way, I got incredibly emotional watching Tiger Woods win the Masters. Why? Because I knew what he was overcoming. I'd watch Tiger for four years come back to tournaments fall apart physically. So why am I getting emotional sitting there, you know,

watching Tiger with the Masters because of the injuries? So don't be a hypocrite and say you love those, which I do, and then say Kevin shouldn't have played. If Kevin would have stayed the rest of this series and won it, this would be an all-timer. We would be talking about it's 30 years from now, the Kevin Durant series. This was a game changer to his legacy. So you can't have it both ways. And I'm consistent on this. I like my athletes to come back injured.

I've done a show with a hangover. You know what? That's life. It's not called playing hurt. It's called, yeah, tomorrow. I'm going to be bombed in a lot. night with Mark Willard. I got to, listen,

last night was just hockey and Phil Steele, college football magazine. That was tame. Tonight, it is no coasters. It is a rooftop, Manhattan Beach. Crazy town is what it is. Just crazy town. All right, how much, oh, 30 seconds,

so I don't have time to do anything interesting here. Okay, final hour is coming up in a small studio near Oak Trees. in a valley in California. That is where we are. This is the former home of the great Casey Kasem. Grew up listening to Casey Kasem in college. And he used to do a show from here.

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Ah, this is the hurt. Wherever you may be, hour three in Sherman Oaks. That sounds different. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Is that Facebook right there? Facebook digital. We've got a camera up and everything. A lot of gray hair and a gray shirt.

I'm like fog just moving into your Facebook. My wife said that the other day. She's like, you're just gray. Gray hair, gray shirt. I'm like a cool front just moving into your community. You know, it's interesting. How many Laker fans, and I know we're doing a national show, and I don't want to make it just a Laker show,

but there's a sense the AD LeBron thing is going to happen here really quick. How many Laker fans are like, yeah, just throw in Kyle Kuzma. Are you people out of your mind? He averaged 19 points a game as a 23-year-old. You don't just throw in Kyle Kuzma to a deal. He's not an end table. He's closer to a coffee table. You just don't throw him in.

It's like when you're negotiating a house, you know how sometimes you can sell a house and sell furniture with it? The furniture has value. Right? Like you just don't. House is furnished. It's 12,000 more whatever. There's value to furniture, which, by the way, you can go buy anywhere. You can't go buy Kyle Kuzma anywhere.

He's a 23-year-old average in 19 a game. And not a lot of those in the NBA. Oh, we just want Anthony Davis. If you give up Ingram-Lonzo a four-picking Kyle Kuzma, Kuzma for Anthony Davis. You are a 44-win team doing nothing in the playoffs. You got no shooters. You got no debt.

You got no bench. What are you doing? You got to fight like mad on this deal. I got to tell you this, I would fight to keep my number four-pick. I'd give you Brandon and Lonzo and say, try to do better. I'd give you Brandon, Lonzo, and next year's number one, I'd fight for the four-pick. Sounds like the Lakers are going to give them the four-pick and Cucing. Kuzma. What are you doing? There's a built-in advantage in the NBA. When you get a star,

you win the trade. Lakers got a bunch of stuff. Miami Heat got Shaq. They won the trade. That's the way it is. If you give up Kuzma, Ingram, four-pick, Lanzo, you lost the trade. With Drew Holiday, with Zion, they'll be better than you. That's impossible in the NBA. The team that gets the star always wins the trade. I mean, Cleveland, Kevin Love was a star for Andrew Wiggins, who won the trade. Cleveland, they got a title out of it. You always, when you get the star, generates because the star wants to, Kareem wanted to go from Milwaukee to Los Angeles.

Shaq wanted to go to Los Angeles. Well, Anthony Davis wants to go to Los Angeles. Why are you going to give up the farm? It doesn't make any sense. Like Carmelo wanted to go to New York. Why don't you give everybody up? He got there and he was a $10 million chandelier in a $1 million dollar house. He just walked in, oh, you're a little beautiful chandelier.

You got nothing else. He couldn't afford anything else. So this, this, just get it done. No. No. It's a salary cap league. It's not baseball. Where the big markets have an advantage, just go buy more of good players.

Negotiate every last penny. You know what it reminds me of a little bit? It reminds me a little bit of like, you know, when you're financing your house? And, you know, is it going to be three and, a quarter or three, and you think, ah, it's just a quarter of percentage. Do you understand over the course of a 30-year mortgage, you will save, maybe, depending on the price of your house, a million dollars on that quarter percent over 30 years? You fight, when you refinance a home, you fight for every eighth. You fight for, that's why these cable companies, why are the

Dodgers not on TV in Los Angeles? Because they're fighting over a nickel. That's what they're fighting over, and they should fight over it. Because when you have 600,000 people into your cable company, that nickel times 600,000 a month, you do the math. That's why the Dodgers are not on television. They're fighting over pennies. You have to fight over pennies in that scale. So this idea is just give Kyle Kuzma up. What?

Dude's a 23-year-old average in 19. An average 19 in a team where he always had somebody on him. I mean, like, like their best player, LeBron got hurt. Lonzo was hurt. So a lot of times he was the best guy on the floor. I mean, like, you know, all right, it's Kuzma. LeBron's out, Brandon's out. I mean, those are good numbers.

Good numbers. The smartest people in these leagues, Bill Belichick doesn't give you anything for anything. Bill Belichick is trying to get value on every single trade. He's fighting you on every single trade. Yeah, the tampering. So the Patriots are filing tampering charges on the Houston Texans for talking to their general manager. That is just to get a draft pick.

A six-rounder. It doesn't matter. They don't have two sixes. He can make that a four. And they've already got, you know, he's already got his legacy. Some people just don't want to fight. Some people don't want to negotiate. Then you can't be a football coach.

You can't be a – Nick Saban is fighting over every recruit. He's not given Texas A&M one of them. That's what you've got to be if you want to be great. Kobe Bryant, you're not beating me in practice. Ever. I'm never letting you think you can beat me. You fight for everything. And I know, I know.

Colin, that is so aggressive. Yes. Aggressive people win. I've been saying this for years. Smartest people don't win in this country. They don't. The people that win in this country, Trump's not our smartest president. He's our most aggressive.

The most aggressive agents win. The most aggressive actors win, the most aggressive media people win, the most aggressive athletes, agents, Nick Sabin's the most aggressive football coach. It was making $8 million a year, lost to Auburn. Somebody complained. He told his wife to go to Austin, Texas, look for a house, leak it to the press, and then get another $2 million a year from Alabama just to put them in their place. Don't you ever question my coaching?

That's what, you know, the old Andy Grove was a guy that created a company called Intel. And, you know, he wrote a book, Be Paranoid. They do want your job. Be paranoid. It's okay. It's not unhealthy. You know, it doesn't need to become a minute-by-minute obsession, but you should fight every day for everything.

Every single day. That's the fun of living. The fight. The argument. You know, resolution. Okay, I'm looking for the next battle. That's what it's all about for competitive alphas. For competitive people.

They like the fight. They like the fun. They don't get their feelings. when they lose. That's part of investing and risking and playing. And Kevin Durant knew the risks. He was all for it. That's part of sports. Now, Chris Haynes came on earlier today. He and I disagree on this. He does place some blame on the Warriors for KD's injury. Look at it. And they gave him the green light to go.

Obviously, he wanted to go. He's a player. There's a tremendous amount of pressure. They cleared him. Ultimately, he wasn't ready. But they felt like if he got to a certain percentage, recovery-wise that he can give it a go. And Steve Kerr touched him on yesterday that the worst they felt that could have came from it, that the first possible scenario occurred in their fingerpoint because there's still a lot of questions that are left unanswered. I disagree because I don't think doctors can predict Achilles' tears. He didn't re-injure his calf.

I've said this before. I've probably had three injuries in my life. None of them, you know, as bad as Kevin's, but I've had three injuries in my life. I came back early for all of them. and I'm not an athlete, but I came back because I got tired of sitting on the couch and I wanted to work out, and I re-injured myself and every one. So, I mean, that's just, if you like to work out and you like to be involved, I think professional athletes, I can't imagine being a pro athlete watching my team go for a championship, and I'm detached and not playing. I couldn't do it.

I just would feel like such, you know, maybe my vanity's too, my ego's too big. I couldn't do it. You're competing for a championship and I'm watching. Now, if I'm an executive, that's my job. But as a player, my job is to be out there. My job is to be out there. And for the record, we all rip Jay Cutler and Danian Tomlinson when they weren't out there. They weren't heard enough.

So we have a history in this country, media and fans ripping athletes who don't plan big games and watch it. We rip them. Got some thoughts on Kyrie, which is he's dumping. his agent. That sounds so harsh, doesn't it? People change agents all the time, but if you say dumping an agent, it just sounds terrible. Rory McElroy is playing very well at the USGA, US Open at Pebble Beach. He's playing very well. I'll give you updates as we watch here live on FS1. Beautiful course. Nice overcast day. Looks 65-ish, cool. God, this is beautiful. It's just absolutely so beautiful. Can you imagine living on that course and just you wake up every day and that's what you see having coffee? Yeah, Jim, Nan, I, does, yeah, Nance has a place there.

I'm not sure where it is, but Charles Schwab, they say, has the nicest house in Pebble Beach. But they're showing aerials now. God, it's gorgeous. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Great to have you in. FS1 and Fox all weekend, US Open Women's World Cups. Fantastic. By the way, there's a great picture of Wanda Durant, Kevin Durant's mom.

And Kevin Durant's standing, you know, after the surgery with his mom. And is, whoa, it's Wanda Pratt, my bad. Yeah, it's a neat picture. She's talking about, you know, you don't know my son, how much he loves playing. It's neat. It's, you know, the son, the mom, really cool. Mark Medina, you know him, Warriors, Rider, Mercury News. Former L.A. Daily News is now joining us.

What a crazy series. Mark, I said, I think it's virtually impossible when a family is. grieving to ask them to perform for three and a half hours on the highest stage. I feel like the Warriors emotionally, the KD thing is really hard to overcome. Everybody's still talking about it. I like the Raptors tonight. I just don't know how much we can ask of the Warriors. Clay's out.

Clay's in. KD's in. KD's out. Boogies. We just keep asking hurt warriors to give us more. And it feels like to me the series is over. How does all this KD stuff land for you? Colin, I'm very conflicted.

I mean, I think when you weigh all those things, I could see the Warriors winning game six because of the home crowd and kind of the initial adrenaline rush. You may recall that happened in game five against Houston when Kevin originally went down and they carried over to game six. But if this goes into a game seven in Toronto, I don't know if they can really sustain that because the Raptors are really good. They obviously have open court advantage. And there's only so much they can do to compensate.

without Kevin Durant. But, yeah, I mean, there's definitely a scenario that the way the Warriors end Oracle Arena is, it's with a loss, and then they say goodbye. So it's captivating to say the least. Well, I think length and size. I mean, we saw Kevin Durant's one quarter when he played. He all of a sudden, Mark Gassall, a strength became a huge liability. He changes everything. Everybody got better looks.

It's funny when I said this earlier today, I feel like the dynasty is officially ending. They'll be like the Spurs. They win a bunch of titles. this will be your fifth final. You've got three titles in this. But I feel like next year, okay, boogie is not resigning, length. Katie's hurt or leaving, length.

Livingston retires, length. Milwaukee's big. Toronto's big. I kind of feel like tonight, this is it if they lose. Not that they won't be good. There'll be a better version of Portland, but I feel like the dynasty could end tonight.

Is that hyperventilating? No, I don't think it is at all. I mean, here's another wrinkle you have to keep in mind. Like, say, Kevin Durant decides, you know what? I do want to say with the Warriors. I especially like their support that they gave me over this injury. And, you know, especially when you're talking about an injury that is a potentially career debilitating, and suddenly that five, that fifth year might be too good to pass up.

But the reality is we don't know the exact timeline, but it's safe to say that he's out for at least the first half of the season. He could be missing the entire season. So even if the Warriors somehow are able to keep Kevin Durant, they could almost kind of be dealing with the same set of cards where they're having to play without them. They're trying to see to what extent they can just maximize Steph, Clay, and Dremont, and hit on the draft and develop some of these young guys. So in some respects, it's almost the same challenge that are going to have to overcome,

even if Kevin winds up being back with the team. Warriors, Ryder, the Mercury News, our friend Mark Medina, You know, I didn't want to play the blame game. Kevin's an adult. He made a choice. But I did think it was odd. Steve Kerr's got an opinion on everything, and he's usually very funny and glib. And then after the injury, he said, go talk to Bob.

That didn't land well for me. What do you make of that? Well, I think he was more deferring to that because they knew that Bob wanted to have that emotional press coverage. He felt very awful. I don't know where to put the blame on this because I know Rick Solbrenny's track record. he's the guy that salvaged Steve Nash's career. And, you know, when I talked with people on the team, you know, earlier this season, his whole MO was he's the guy who protects you from yourself.

He's very conservative. Sometimes that frustrates the players because they want to come back early, but they respect that, you know, he's looking out for them. And it seemed like they try to check all the boxes. I think where there is a little bit of a gray area is they only required Kevin to play in one practice. and usually when you compare that to some of the other guys to Marcus Cousins, for example, there was a lot of practices building up to that. But I think where that differentiates where the Warriors are,

whether they rush Kevin or not. First, he and Rich Klyman signed off on a number one outside medical guys also signed off on it. But the way Steve had explained it was the worst case in error that they were getting from the medical staff is, hey, maybe he aggravates the cap injury again. Hey, you know what, he gave it a shot in the finals, but that career debilitary debilitating. There was never any talk that an Achilles injury might happen. And when he had gotten his calf injured earlier in Houston, that was the initial fear. Everyone thought on the team, hey, this is an Achilles.

And the training staff had done all these tests and said, no, he's not having Achilles is just a calf. So they had done all these kind of checks and balances before Kevin wound up in game five. Yeah. You've covered this team now, and it's such a weird night tonight. Last game, well, it is last game at Oracle, Kevin Durant's injury, this sort of Paul hanging over the team because of everything. I make the argument that, you know, five years are about how these dynasties end. You know covering the Lakers.

Shack and Kobe got three. They played together five or six. Del Harris first, then into Phil, as they matured as a team. and the guys, but usually age, injuries, and guys get tired of each other is sort of how it ends. You know, I mean, covering this team, just talk about you specifically. It is a rock tour. It is the global basketball rock tour. Is it exhausting to cover?

Is it different than covering uncompetitive Laker teams previously for four years? Yeah, you know what, Colin, like, one, I'm young, and two, I don't know any better. I only know what it's like to cover the NBA with the Lakers and the Warriors where there's always something going on. And yeah, there's a big difference between covering the Lakers and the Warriors because I was only there for one playoff run.

And incidentally, that was a season when Kobe tore as a killer. So I've witnessed and covered two star players entering their killies. But with the Lakers, there was, you know, Kobe's farewell tour all these coaching changes, all the buildup leading of free agency. So sure, it might be exhausting, but I know what I signed up for.

and it's exhilarating, to say the least. By the way, Lakers A.D., I was scolding Laker fans who keep saying, just throw in Kyle Kuzma, the four-pick, Lonzo, Ingram. And I said, you're going to become the Knicks when they got Mello. Then Mello was just an expensive chandelier in the middle of a house with no furniture. I mean, that's what you become when you just throw in a guy averaging 19 a game. What is your guess? I mean, you still have a lot of Laker sources.

What is kind of your guess on what happens with AD? I have a feeling the draft is in seven days. that the Lakers have more leverage making a deal before the draft and after, because that number four pick could be a lot of things to a lot of different people. Yeah, so I don't know how this is going to play out, and here's why. I'm not trying to take the easy way out, but you have to look at it through two things. They have another aspect in the number four picks. They do have leverage, but the way that everything was handled leading into last year's

trade deadline, where they basically said everyone, except for LeBron James, is up for sale, that not only did not sit well with guys in the locker room, but in a way it also diminished those guys' trade value because people around the NBA know that you're putting a for sale sign and all of a sudden there's a reason why they think that. There's not clarity or uncertainty that these guys are going to really amount to being any star player. The thing that's very interesting is there seems to be a fork in the road of

as much as they're dangling everyone, do they let go a Kyle Kuzma, right? Like he's an intriguing young guy. He seems to fit well with LeBron James. He's going to be part of Team USA this summer with the People World Cup. Yes. So I think in one respect, because of that fourth pick, they do have leverage. But I think the Lakers are also running the risk of kind of retreading the tires

and going through what they have already gone through earlier this season, where they're trying to go for AD. They're selling everyone, and then it wound up not turning into anything at all. Mark Medina, well, enjoy tonight. I think it's the end of a dynasty, and I like Toronto comfortably. And you're feeling you're a reporter, but you're feeling is they play well? You think the Warriors play well? And if I had a guess, like I'll put money on the Warriors winning game six,

but I could be wrong with that. I think game seven, if it gets to that point, it's going to just be too much to ask for the Warriors, no matter how much equity and experience they have, losing KD and going up against this Raptor's team, that not only has Kauai Leonard, but has so much length, so much depth. At some point, they could only ride that adrenaline rush high of strength and numbers. At some point, it will come to an end.

I think it will be either tonight or game seven on Sunday. Good stuff. Good talking to you, Mark. Likewise. Appreciate it. Phil Mickelson, par four. He is even. By the way, Rory McElroy is tied for second at the U.S. Open. Two shots off the pace at three under. Greens are not giving anybody any help here. Nobody's hitting long puts.

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I don't know if this would classify as breaking news, but it is new news this morning. Kemba Walker was talking about his future. Remember, he is eligible for the Supermax with the Hornets because he made third team all NBA, which is a $221 million deal. However, he said he is willing to work with the Hornets and would take less than that to stay in Charlotte.

He said, I would take less for sure. Asked if he's confident he'll be back with Charlotte. He said, I have no clue. This is where I want to be. and if it doesn't work out or it just doesn't, I'm prepared. One of our producers brought up a very good point that he did say this at a kids basketball. Yeah, yeah, no kidding. He's kind of the consolation prize for a lot of teams.

He's a good player, but he's not on the level of a KD or a Kauai. He's kind of the consolation prize. What if Charlotte just decides, you know what, we're never going to get anyone else to come here? Why don't we just give this guy the superman? He's a good guy. He's a good team leader. Again, you fight for every penny. If you don't have to pay him to max, don't.

You know, it's a salary cap league, so I don't think he's a max player. But if you're not, if you don't care about the money as much, why not take less money by just signing somewhere else? Yeah, I mean, Kemp is an East Coast guy, right? He's from New York. Yeah, he may like the weather. I mean, it's Charlotte's one of those East Coast teams that doesn't have brutal winners. He may just like playing there. You know, I mean, some of these guys, you know, does everybody listening to me, how many people listening to me,

Do you like to move? I mean, it doesn't matter how rich you are. Who wants to move? I mean, he's played at Yukon, New York City. He may just like these coast. Well, what gets interesting is, does he want to go play for a Knicks? You know, go play where he's from or maybe, I don't think he'd go to Brooklyn. They already have enough point guards who shoot a lot.

But it's an interesting, it's interesting. I'm confused as to why he would stay in Charlotte for the only appeal of Charlotte is they can give you $60 million more than anybody else. if he's going to take less than that, why not just go somewhere else? Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins is looking to make the next step in 2019, which in his mind is solely about winning. Take a listen. I think the next level really is all about winning. I'm pretty much a 500 quarterback in my career so far,

and I don't think that's where you want to be, and that's not why you are brought in or people are excited about you. So if I don't play well, if I don't have gaudy statistics, but we win multiple playoff games this year, the narrative will be I went to the next. level. And I may not walk off the field every day feeling like I did, but if we win, that's the life of a quarterback as you are at the next level. And if I have my best year yet in 2019, but we're eight and eight, I didn't go to the next level. So that's the reality of it.

He's brutally honest about himself. Yeah, he's a 500 quarterback. That's exactly what he is. And he's a 500 quarterback who's been awful in big games. And so that's his reputation right now. Yeah, he's got a lot of hollow stats. You've been fairly critical of Kirk Cousins over the years. But he's not fine at that. He's fine at $20 million a year. He's not fine at 32. That's three more players I can get. They were your big step back.

The Vikings, you know, obviously went to the NSA Championship. You said they would take a step back. They did. They're one of the better overs this year in the NFL. There's like four teams. They have a great roster top to bottom. And by the way, Kirk Cousins' second year in an offense. They got a good head coach.

I think Minnesota is one of the – that division now is suddenly between the Bears, Packers, Vikings. That's a real – I don't think anybody's winning 12 games. on that division. There's just too many tough road games. And finally, the New England Patriots have filed tampering charges against the Houston Texans for their attempt to hire Nick Casario as their new GM. Basically, one of the Vikings VPs was at the Super Bowl ring party with the Patriots because he had been with the Patriots. He talks to Casario.

All of a sudden, the next day the Texans fire their GM. They never asked the Patriots for permission to talk to him. So the Patriots are, filing tampering charges. Here's the thing, Rappaport, we mentioned this earlier, and Rappaport basically confirmed it. I think this is a,

we don't, we don't want to, I don't think they want to stop the guy from becoming the Texas GM, but like you said, Bill Belichick wants to maximize everything. He wants compensation for this. Oh, absolutely.

And Ian Rappaport said, this is all about getting a draft pick. Well, the NFL compensates you when you lose a free agent. They give you a draft pick, and he's like, I'm losing my GM. I want to get a draft pick up. I don't think they want to stop a guy

from becoming a draft pick you. And apparently, reportedly the Texans still want this guy really bad and obviously the tampering charges could get in the way of that. But if they said, all right, we'll give the Patriots our fourth round draft pick. I think that's what Bill is looking for, is he not? Yeah, that's what Bill does. He's a grinder. A film room draft picks, he's a grinder.

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