The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NCAAFB, stars leaving, top WRs, Ezekiel Elliott

Episode Date: July 10, 2020

Colin discusses college football cutting needless games, J.J. Redick's comments on why there is so much backlash when stars leave teams, the top 10 WRs in the NFL, and his thoughts on an anonymous offensive coach saying Ezekiel Elliott isn't a top 10 RB. Guests include Chris Broussard, Joel Klatt, Will Blackmon, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll be joining us one hour from now. Joy Taylor's with me as always. Joy, how are you? I'm doing great. So, Friday. Friday, big news yesterday. the Big Ten basically said conference games only. Yes.

This is not a big surprise. I think the Pac-12 is going to announce theirs within the next day or two. ACC will follow. This is what's happening. I put a tweet out about a month and a half ago. I said, Bama USC is a pipe dream. It's not happening. We know now it's not happening.

Everybody's going to follow suit with this, and it's fine. Is college football going to happen? Coin flip. I have no idea. 50-50 proposition. I do think the SEC will bulldozed their way through it because it matters more down there. But the deconstruction of sports is happening. You're getting rid of the unnecessary.

And college footballs out of conference schedules have always been bloated and unnecessary, just full of junk. In fact, this morning, people are freaking out. Oh, my God, we're not going to see Oregon play Ohio State. 42 games were canceled by the Big Ten. Three I would have watched. Buckeyes, Ducks, and Eugene, Wisconsin, Notre Dame. Michigan at Washington.

The rest is nonsense and shouldn't be scheduled. I look at Northwestern schedule. They play Tulane, Central Michigan, and Morgan State. I wouldn't go to those games if my kid quarterbacked Northwestern. They're awful. Blowouts, junk, the sport needs a commissioner. It needs better schedules. Colin, those small schools rely on those games.

That is a U problem. It is not Ohio State's junk. job to save bowling green football. It's not. You know what? Today, I'd like to be the president of college football. I'm announcing my candidacy here on this show. My qualifications, I love the sport, and I have an IQ higher than motor oil. At this point, I think that about all you need. I'm going to make five changes in college football. And I love the sport. Number one, No more neutral site games.

Jerry Jones makes enough money in the NFL. He doesn't need a game every year between Alabama and some pinata to make more. You want an out-of-conference neutral-site game. It's called conference championships or occasional bowl games. Play games on college campuses. The colleges need the revenue because college football revenue plays for all the guy sports, most of them that don't make any money and the women's sports that don't make any money. play the games on campus.

I want to see Georgia play at Athens. I want to see Michigan in Ann Arbor. I want to see Wisconsin in Camp Randall. I want to see USC at the Coliseum. I don't want to see teams lining the pockets of Jerry Jones. He's rich enough. Number two, you get one cupcake on your schedule. Sorry, SEC teams.

You can't play Troy in Citadel in Towson State three times. You get one cupcake. Notre Dame, no more. independent. BYU, no more independent. Join a conference. No exception. Can you imagine if there was an NFL team? They're just independent. No, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s maybe. No more. Join a conference. You get one cupcake preseason level game. My third change in college football, everybody plays 10 conference games. That means the Big 12 has to add a team. team take Nebraska back.

They don't feel like a Big Ten team. Geographically, it doesn't work. They need to be back playing Texas school so the parents of the recruits can drive to some games. Big 12 add a team. This is less fluff. Everybody plays 10 conference games. Number four, the college football playoff, four teams, that's it. There's never been a time in my life.

I thought the seventh or the eighth best college football team after 12th. games deserved a shot at a national championship. So why? Make the regular season count. I don't want to see a three-loss team getting boat race by Clemson, the Buckeyes, Alabama, or LSU. That's just more junk. Last year, Georgia, oh, Georgia should be in.

They lost two games. The best team they played LSU beat him, then they lost a South Carolina. That's not even an elite college football program. A couple years ago, Ohio State, we deserve to get in. Not only did you lose to the best team you faced that year, Oklahoma, you got beat by 31 by Iowa. Sorry, you don't get an argument. My fifth thing I would do, and this is going to rankle a lot of people, but 12 bowl games, that's it. Colin, bowl games help the little guy.

The little guy's been irrelevant my whole life. Purdue's not winning championships. Kentucky football is not winning a little guy. championship. Oregon State football. We don't need to create bowl games that nobody watches, nobody goes to, and some weed eater company I've never heard of sponsors to help the little guy. The little guy is mauled in this sport. Next year, there's five teams that can win a national championship. That's funny. It's like every year for my entire life. There's about five to eight teams that can win it. The bowl games are the rose, the orange, the sugar, the cotton, the peach,

the fiesta, the Alamo, the Sun Bowl, the Holiday Bowl, the Outback Bowl, the Citrus Bowl, and then flip a coin on the Vegas Bowl or the Gator Bowl. I'd go to Vegas. They got a cool new NFL stadium. Let the kids go back to school. That's what it's sort of about, right? They're colleges and universities. All in, you'd have 10 conference games, two non-conference, one, you know, cupcake,

12 great bowl games with mostly sold-out stadiums, really good television products with really good eight and nine win football teams and a four-team playoff. Listen, if Shreveport needs that bowl game for their economy, then you better start recruiting other companies to come to your town for your economy. Because I've seen that bowl game. Nobody goes. College football needs some reconstruction, and I love the sport. And this morning, as you all get freaked out about 42 games eliminated,

three you would cross the street to watch. three college football is becoming like college sports bloated junk filled not financially viable some of the reconstruction on all this COVID-19 stuff for college sports is long overdue I love college football it's gotten too junkie to regionalize there are weekends in college football where there are 70 games and there are four that I would even give a quarter to. Four. About a month ago on this show, we were trying to build some topics, and we looked at college football, and it was painfully easy to go to every week of the year in college football and find the three best games, because there were 40 unwatchable games.

More is not better. Fewer bowl games, fewer teams in the playoffs, fewer at a conference. These are universities. These are colleges. You go for an education. School matters. Class matters. Hanging out with other people besides football player matters. Universities grow. 99% of the guys that play never play in the NFL. They need jobs that are non-football jobs out of school. Let's educate. Let's grow. Let's have college football be shorter, more impactful, more amazing, more high quality, more great games, fewer junk bowls, and stop with the expanded playoff. Let's make college football one of the reasons it's one of the great sports in America. Every Saturday matters.

And increasingly, every Saturday does not matter. And that's the go-to strength of the sport. You got to watch the games. When Alabama's playing four schools that are directional or I've never heard of, even Sabin has complained of empty seats at the dynasty. New England never has empty seats at their dynasty. When the Lakers were a dynasty, they didn't have empty seats. Nick Saban's complaining.

It's hard to get students here because students are not dumb. They see how bad and bloated the schedules are. Make every game count. College football will never be the NFL in terms of quality of players or even coaches. The coaches are better in the NFL. The players are better in the NFL. The quarterbacking is better. in the NFL. But the one thing is the NFL expands its schedule, the one thing college football

has that makes it amazing. You've got to watch the games. They matter. Ohio State loses a second game season's over, at least over in terms of they can't win a national championship. Now we're just adding games and adding fluff and adding junk and adding TV revenue. And in the end, it's just messy. It's just messy with a bunch of nonsense. So I know everybody's freaking out that 42 games were eliminated. You would have watched three. You really, the rest of them up, they were playing across the street. You drive by. You wouldn't even slow down like a traffic accident.

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guys, Jason McIntyre. So JJ Redick, who once I sought Whole Foods used to live around me. I lost my dog one time, J.J. Reddick found my dog. He doesn't like me. I have no idea why. But I'm going to agree with him here. J.J. Reddick came out on, he's got a podcast or something. And he talked about LeBron James and Kevin Durant leaving the mobility and leaving to teams. And he said, part of it is rooted in racism. I'm not a host that screams that at every turn. But he said, when they left, everybody said they're going to this team and that team. They're joining stars. He goes, but I think the underlying reason for the reaction, people were uncomfortable with powerful black men making a decision for themselves.

I really believe that. Well, I certainly think it was part of it. The percentage, I don't think, I think, I think some of Kevin Durant was, you're going to Golden State. But I think JJ's right to a large degree on this. And if you think he's wrong, just go read the letter from the Cavs owner Dan Gilbert, the knight, LeBron, and this is an educated man. Read Dan Gilbert's letter.

I went and got it this morning. I don't need to go over it and over it. I ripped him for two years. There's racial coding all over it. It's disgusting. He talks about LeBron being a former hero, cowardly betrayal, shameful act of selfishness, shocking act of disloyalty. Would you want your children to grow up like LeBron? Self-declared former king.

This is a player of LeBron that tripled Dan Gilbert's net worth. Tripled Dan Gilbert's net worth. That letter reads like, I own you, how dare you? It's awful. In fact, it's so bad, it is so bad that ESPN, this is true, had to call the Cavaliers PR department to make sure it was a legitimate letter. It was so bad. They're like, you may want to sleep on this. This is awful.

I mean, they thought it was a hoax, literally. So is JJ Redick right? Yes, absolutely to some degree. And this is from an educated man. What a less educated people think about LeBron leaving. But I will say this. What is fascinating, it shows what LeBron James has been willing to do. And this is the way it works in the world.

The trailblazer gets all the heat. The trailblazer, the first to do something, gets all the heat. But he opens the door for everybody else to have a less bumpy ride following through. And this is really the value of LeBron beyond his greatness, beyond his physical gifts. what LeBron has really done, the players owe him a debt of gratitude, what LeBron has done. He opened the door to this, a superstar saying, I'm going to do it publicly, and I'm going to go to Miami, and I'm going to be the villain of the league. Which, by the way, LeBron didn't like being a villain. Who wants to be a villain?

Besides our president. Like, who wants to be a villain in life? But here's what's funny about it. Think of how LeBron has changed mobility. Number one, LeBron leaves Cleveland. He is eviscerated. Kevin Durant follows. It's annoying, but we're not bothered by who he left.

We're more bothered by who he joined. It seemed unfair. But we got him leaving Westbrook. People got that part. People like me, I wasn't the only guy that said, yeah, I mean, he needs to play with the guy that compliments him. So we went from LeBron eviscerated to Kevin Durant was annoying. Then Kauai left Los Angeles, and our reaction was, oh, yeah, of course. And by the way, he got Paul George to join him.

Excellent move, Kauai, and he didn't let it out. Nobody knew. And next is Yonis. If Yonis doesn't go, if Milwaukee can't get through the bubble, can't get through Boston, if Chris Middleton, nice player, not great, Max Guy, If he lets Janus down and Janus stays, we will say, what are you doing? Milwaukee can't get free agents. What are you doing?

LeBron has changed the conversation from how dare you to, how could just stay there? That, my friends, is a remarkable transformation in the NBA. There are going to be great athletes my entire life. Mahomes. I mean, just a crazy town out there. I'm not sure we've ever had an athlete. There's a Muhammad Ali quality of LeBron James willing to make everybody's journey easier, from eviscerated to annoying to, hey, good job, Kauai, to how in God's name can you stay in Milwaukee?

Loyalty, in my opinion, said it before, say it again, is wildly overrated. The window's small, take care of yourself, be loyal if you trust the owner, the GM, and the coach to get you to the place that your talents deserve. But JJ Reddick, you think he's wrong, read the Dan Gilbert letter. That guy should have slept on that one. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Cam Newton finally got his deal with the Patriots after 3,000.

three months on the open market. And one of his former teammates is expecting Cam to have an ax to grime when the season starts, according to Mike Giardy. A former Patriot, Panther, I'm sorry, said Cam is motivated to stick it up everyone's bleep for overlooking him in free agency. And said Cam won't say it, but he took names of those that wrote him off. I'm a guy. We all take names.

This is what we do. Oh, we take names too. Don't worry. You guys take names too? I have a list. I'm like Bushemi with the lipstick. I am. Everybody takes names.

Well, I wouldn't say everyone takes names. I think certain personalities kind of lend you to you, you know, I mean, at least for me, like if you've ever said I couldn't do something, I'm never going to forget that you said that. But I don't think with you, it's ego. With me, it's ego. It's not so much, it's a little ego, but it's not, it's not ego. I don't think it's a negative thing. Like, I don't think this is a negative thing.

Oh, God, no, it's great. I love it. I think it's actually very important. I would be bothered if, it's a little bit. was like, you know, this may be the end for Cam. It's like, dude, you're 31. Be pissed. Or just like, you know, I don't care what people say.

No, no, this is, this is fine. Exactly what I want. Just out of here playing a game. Russell Wilson, third round, Brady 6, Montana, Aaron Rogers, Junior College. This is the medicine. Especially once you get to a certain level of success. Yes. You've got to find things to keep a chip on your shoulder.

Of course. And he is going to the perfect place for this. Hey. Because even though Cam does have something to prove right now, it's legitimate that people have been critical of whether he's going to come back as the same player and things like that, he's going to the place that manufactures outrage within the building every day. And he's coming in there with that.

This actually, I think is great. This is that he took names. I didn't know Cam was a name taker. I have more respect for him today. I really do. I don't assume he was. If you're following the trends on the social media. I don't think Andy Dalton feels like a name taker.

That's fair. You're going to have fun and play together. Yeah. Like Cam's, I thought Cam was more kind of like, listen, man, I like football, but I'm going to go on with my life. The fact that Cam's like, oh, I'm holding a grudge. It's like, oh, I like that. I'm really into that.

And I'm not a grudge holder, but I like my athletes to have a real chip on their shoulder. I'm petty, which is a fancy way of saying him a grudge holder. Yeah. So like most in the NFL, Packers, tight end, Mercedes-Marcedes-Lewis was not expecting Green Bay to draft a quarterback in the first round this year. But he said he was shocked. They traded up to pick Jordan Love. And he is sure that Aaron Rogers won't let it get to him. Just let it go.

to let it go to things that you can't control is water off the ducks back do the best job as you can to control the things you can't control let the universe do the rest Aaron is a grown man you don't think you've ever had to do it things like that

whether it be distractions adversity it doesn't matter what it is he's a grown man he is where he is for a reason I'm not worried about him I don't know if Aaron is like Cam Newton I don't know if Aaron Rogers is going to let this go well it's not an issue

at all to me unless they decide to put, implement some packages for Jordan Love, then it's like, and by the way, let me defend Aaron Rogers again. I defended him yesterday on he should have taken all the money in Green Bay because the Packers have never proven they can build a winner on defense around him. You know, if you start implementing packages near the goal line and you're basically saying Aaron Rogers first ballot hall famer, don't trust it into the goal line, that would piss me off. Sorry to use that word. If I'm Aaron Rogers and you start implementing packages in key situations, because now, different if I lead 38 to 8 and there's two

series left and I can go sit down and watch then you're telling Aaron why would we want you to get hurt. Like I get benching Aaron in a three point three touchdown lead get but if you start putting in packages for Jordan Love what you're telling Aaron is you know there's situations we think this rookie is better than you

and Aaron for the record still has at least three years of great play left. I agree with Mercedes and that this isn't going to get Aaron off his game if anything is going to make him better but you're right. There are a few scenarios I don't think that Jordan Love is going to be a factor at all this year. But there are a few scenarios like that one where it can really cause some serious division.

NBA tends to be kind of a you take care of the star. But increasingly in the NFL, some of you coaches and GMs have to realize that the sport now is so quarterback driven. You need to put your arms around your quarterbacks. You maybe have to for the first time ever cater to some of their needs. battle, you don't let the story out that Cam Newton's a backup to Russell Wilson. No. Belichick, got to put your arms around Tom Brady and get him a tied end in weapons. I'm not saying you have to coddle. You don't have to go to this level where James Harden tells everybody when practices in Houston. But don't inflame Aaron Rogers. There's no reason to go there. Let

Jordan Love sit and learn from a first ballot hall of favor. Don't poke Aaron in the ribs. totally agree. That's why I don't like the Brett Farr of Aaron Rogers comparison to this. They were in the NFC championship game last year. They clearly need some pieces to get over the edge. When Aaron Rogers was drafted, they lost in the wildcard game to the Vikings. Like, it's not the same situation. So over 50 NFL executives, coaches, scouts, and players participated in a poll to rank the best players at each position. But the running back, Ezekiel Elliott landed in the third spot overall. But one offensive coach ranked him 11th. Because Zeeke doesn't look that strong anymore and is only 60 to 70% of what he once was. Zeke was not thrilled with that assessment and tweeted in response.

Whoever that is is faded, LOL. I 100% agree with Z. By the way, Goulet is our resident cowboy freak. He is. I don't think Zique is quite, I mean, running backs do deteriorate. Is he 85% of what he was? Yeah, I think that's fair. I noticed the same thing last year, which still makes him top three, five.

He's still great, but he's not quite what he was as a rookie. He doesn't break the long runs quite as off. Feels more like a power back now. That's fair, but he's not 11th. He's not 11th, and he's not 60 to 70% of what he was. No. And for the record, the old line. He was still fourth and rushing yards and tied for fifth and rushing touchdowns last year.

Yeah, he's great around the goal line. He still has something that almost no back in the league has. He can run, he can catch, and he can block. That's a top three back in the NFL. That's really what separates mechanics. He may be the best receiving back we've ever had. I mean, he is saying that McCaffrey could be a wide receiver in the NFL if he was two inches taller. He could be a slot receiver.

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Zeke can catch. And he can block. He's definitely not 60. Yeah, I mean, Adrian Peterson couldn't catch. And Adrian Peterson's an all-timer. He didn't want to block.

Well, that didn't used to be what you had to do. Like, the game has changed. Yeah, you've got to be more versatile now. Yeah. And Zika's all-world, all-time top five versatile. Joy, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. Chris Brouss, my buddy, bringing us sponsored by Mercedes. Ben's the best or nothing. Chris Broussard, NBA guy for Fox Sports, be the coward global satellite network. So J.J. Reddick says, listen, some of this with guys leaving, isn't just Durant's joining a good team or LeBron's joining a good team. It's powerful black guys making decisions and ticking people off. And to that, I say, it's certainly part of it.

And if you deny it, go read Dan Gilbert's letter. it's really solo brow, and this is an educated, successful guy. So I agree largely with what JJ Redick's saying, and I'm not somebody that jumps to those kind of conclusions all the time, but your thoughts on it. Funny story about the letter you bring up Colin Dan Gilbert's letter. I was on, we were both at the old network at this time. The next day, I was on our flagship show.

And for some reason, we were taping, you know, 99% of the time I was on there. It was live. But for this day, we were taping, pre-taping, and they brought up the letter. And I said, Dan Gilbert talked about LeBron James in that letter like he was a runaway slaves. And I fully believe that I had said it on radio and said it later on radio.

But when I said it on this show, the producer who was an African-American went, Chris, Chris, no, you can't say that. Stop the tape. Stop the tape. No, can you say it with a different word without saying? You know, so we retaped it. I gave the same sentiment, but I didn't use that phrase.

But yes, that's what it was. He talked about LeBron James, like he owned LeBron. Like LeBron didn't have the right as a human being to make a decision that he wanted to make, to make a free decision. LeBron played out his contract. He tried to win a championship there. He did everything he was supposed to do contractually. And then when he made his own choice to leave, Dan Gilbert talked about him like he owned him.

And that was racist. Now, it's interesting, Colin, because we all remember watching, you know, the video in Cleveland at the bars, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When LeBron makes his decision, Cleveland is a city that is 50, well over 50% black. And all I saw was white people at the bar. I don't know what bars they were. It was, like, is this Idaho? is this Cleveland?

And so most of the people, the bars were 99% white and they were burning jerseys. They were calling LeBron out of his name. And I do think on a subconscious level, there was some racism there. But let's remember, in East Cleveland, there were black people

burning LeBron's jersey too. Yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah. So a lot of it was, some of it was racism and some of it was just sports, like, can't believe this guy left us. this is his hometown team. And also you joined two of the other best players in the league to form a super team. Kevin Durant was strictly, not strictly, but mainly the fact that he went to join a 73-win team

that had beaten him in the playoff. Yeah. So that was my feeling is it's a component to it. If you deny it, read the Dan Gilbert letter. But I do think we were more annoyed with Kevin Durant. We're like, bra. Come on. It's like an all-star team.

Give me a break. I don't even think we were mad at Kevin for leaving. I think we were mad at Kevin for where he landed. I think a lot of us, I think a lot of people were like, no, we get the Westbrook thing. Like, like, we were annoyed at Kevin that he had to go to that team. To me, that, now, LeBron, I don't doubt it, but Katie is. Now, I want to shift to this, though.

LeBron is a trailblazer. And when they write the book on LeBron, I've always said, his game is one, his body is two. Maybe chapter three or two is, do we understand what he's done in mobile? Now if you don't leave, we're like, are you nuts? I think this is a huge component to the legacy of LeBron James. Well, I do think it's going to be interesting because, you know, LeBron's obviously, I think he's certainly on the path to do a ton of stuff off the court.

And I think there's some as great as he is as a player and arguably the greatest of all time. You know, I think there's a legitimate question to will he do so much off. the court after basketball. That does he even equal off the court what he did on the court or perhaps even surpassed. So we'll have to wait and see on that. But where I disagree with you, Colin, is that I don't think players who don't leave should be shamed or criticized. Like if Janice, if Janice decides, you know what, I want to stay in Milwaukee.

I'm happy here. I want to lead this team to a championship. He shouldn't be criticized. I would respect that loyalty. Let's not forget. Russell Westbrook did that. Russell Westbrook said, look, I'm happy here in Oklahoma. I want us to win a championship here.

And he was widely praised for it. Alan Iverson always said, I want to stay in Philadelphia. Yes, I want to win a championship. I'm going to give everything I have to do that. But if I don't, then I can live with that. I just want to be in Philadelphia. So I'm not going to look down on people.

players that don't take the LeBron or the KD or the Anthony Davis route and decide to try to go at it where they're at. But let me argue this. Here, let me give you three loyalty guys. Bradley Beal's been loyal. He's now trapped. Westbrook was loyal. They eventually traded him. Damian Lillard's loyal. And he's increasingly, as much as I love him, the Blazers are not really relevant for a championship. So if I'm a player and I look at what happened to loyal guys, and then I look at LeBron left, Kauai left, Kevin Durant left. I'm like, to me, the guys that carve out their space are winning all the titles and getting all the endorsements.

Are they not? I'll give you another example that you could use, too, Kevin Durant. I mean, Kevin Garnett. Oh, yeah. Remember, Garnett did not want to leave Minnesota. He was, they were a losing team. He was happy there, though. He was loyal to your point.

and then he goes to Boston and realizes it was the greatest thing he ever did. So I'll give you that. But I'm not so much, Colin, about the players being loyal as I am about them being true to themselves and doing what makes them happy. Like people criticize, I know my partner, Rob Parker, came on yesterday and criticized Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is happy in Kansas City. I don't know how much it's loyalty as it is.

Man, I love my life. I'm happy here. I don't have to get every last dime. I'm content. I want to leave a little room for other players so we can have other great players to play with me. And so that's where I'm at. It's not about, oh, let me be loyal to this owner or to this franchise.

It's more about I'm content where I'm at. Everybody's not going to have the LeBron or KD mentality where they have to leave. Some guys are just going to be happy. Yeah. It may be small time guys or whatever it is. Well, I mean, Damien Lillard played it. Weber State. It was a small place in Portland.

Maybe, you know, maybe he likes kind of being the man at the place. I was going to say some guys, Colin, like being the man. Yeah, I get it. They like being the man. And another thing that's real, and this doesn't apply to Janus, but Damien Lillard, I think he's going to be a Hall of Famer. Oh, yeah. I think, yeah, right?

But nobody is, when Damian Lillard's done playing, if he doesn't win a championship, nobody's going to say it was a failure. Oh, my God. He didn't win one. He didn't do that. He's not at that. level where LeBron and KD were, where it was like, you better win a championship. If you do not win a championship, it's an utter failure.

Most small guys aren't. And so that's a luxury. Yonis will be at that. He's at that level where if he doesn't win a championship. So what I think Yonis could do is take a page out of LeBron's book and say, I'll sign maybe a three-year deal with Milwaukee. I'll give us three more years to try to win it. And then if we don't, then he might have to look elsewhere.

You know, your buddy Rob Parker, who's nuts, but makes me laugh, came on yesterday. I thought he actually made a great point. I just, this is kind of off. We could talk football here because you are a great football guy. You really are. He said, you know what? If I'm Patrick Malmes, I take every penny, you figure out the cap. That's not my problem.

And I thought to myself, well, we do have a history that if you take less as a quarterback, it does make it easier because you get better defensive players. But Rob's point was, Kansas City didn't, win anything before I got here. You haven't shown an ability. I mean, Andy Reid didn't win a championship in Philadelphia. He would have with my homes. So, you know, it's funny about that.

I drove home yesterday and I thought, you know, it's an interesting way to think, which is, I'm taking my money. You guys, you accountants figure out the cap. That ain't my issue. You were so shocked that Rob Parker made a legitimate point is what it was. I know, but no, look, here's the deal. Rob likes to talk about the

NFL like there's no salary cap because we know his sport that he loves his baseball where there is no cap football there's a cap so it does matter and my thing is it look if patrick mahomes wanted every last dime more power to him so be it but i would rather be like let's say tom brady he's the perfect example didn't take every last dollar he's made more money than any quarterback not named drew breeze or he will make more and then of course Patrick Mahomes now with that contract. But would you rather be Tom Brady have six championships, have made about, what, $280, $250 to $280 million in your career

and have six championships and be viewed as the goat? Or would you rather have made $320 million and have one championship and nobody has you in the goat conversation? There's nothing Patrick Mahomes will be able to do with $550 million. that he can't do with $500 million. Yeah. So I think he took the right route. I think this speaks to a guy that's content that's found peace,

that is happy with where he's at, and is not driven by making every last penny that I can make. He's still got generational wealth. His children, children's children will still be fine. And he's got a better chance to win multiple Super Bowls and go down as the best player in the NFL. history. So I think that's where Rob and I totally disagree. He's always like take. And here's another point, Colin. The greatest winners of our generation have had the Pat Mahomes mindset.

I mentioned Tom Brady already. Tim Duncan, he left money on the table so they could keep Tony Parker, Manu Genoobli. Now he's got five championships. LeBron James, when he first went to Miami, was willing to take a little bit less to join the big three. He didn't have. after because it ended up being a sign and trade, but he was willing. And then Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was never the highest paid player in the league until his last two years in Chicago with those balloon payments. And Jordan was like, look, I signed the contract.

I'll play it out and try to win championship. So the best winners we've seen have not been motivated by making every last dime. They want money. And I respect that. We all need money. but if that's your, you have to make every last penny, I don't think that's a healthy mentality. Yeah.

Well, Rob Parker makes this thing. That's why your radio show with him is so great. It's called The Allad Couple. It's on Fox Sports Radio. It's fantastic. Buddy, great having you on and have a nice weekend. All right, you too, Colin. You know, I thought something about Cam Newton in New England.

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I thought it was a weird fit. I thought it was a weird personality fit, Belichick and Cam, a weird culture fit. very expressive, you know, very much into fashion and image. And New England's like the hoodie and the opposite. I thought it was, it doesn't feel long term to me. I don't think New England has very good weapons. I don't think it's, I think it's a hard place to go and like flourish.

I really do. It's, that's why Tom left. And I also think, frankly, replacing Tom Brady is like replacing Howard Stern. It's just he could go nine and seven and play well and you'd be like, yeah, well, Tom won 12 with the same people. But I think it shows the market was very small. But Jason Whitlock used to always say this, but happiness is really based on expectations. I mean, it just, you'll be happy in life if you're grateful and your expectations are reasonable.

I think a lot of times we looked at Cam and we think franchise quarterback, yes, but maybe he was always built for 10 years and not 20. If I said to you, there's a quarterback joining the league. He is a power running quarterback who's kind of an inconsistent, iffy mechanic pocket presence. He can make throws, but that's not his thing. Does it sound like a 20-year quarterback? It doesn't. It's Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade is great.

He wasn't built for 20 years. Dwayne Wade spent half his career on the floor because Dwayne wasn't a great pure shooter. So Dwayne probably plays bigger than any six, four and a half guy in league history. He attacked the rim because he wasn't a brilliant three-point shooter. And so, unlike Ray, Allen who started his career attacking the rim and then moved out and stayed out. Duane always attacked the rim.

Most of his highlights, I went to YouTube the other day. There was Duane Wade stuff. It was just Duane going to the rim and jamming on seven footers. But by year 12, even LeBron sort of bailed. Like he was hurt. He wasn't the same player. Doesn't mean Duane Wade's not a Hall of Famer. He's top 20 player in the history of the league.

I love him. There's nothing about Duane Wade I don't like. but Dewey and Wade was never built to play 20 years. By year 12, he wasn't quite the same guy. You remember those Miami runs. If Duane played 36 minutes one night, the question was, can we get at rest him? Knees are going to be a little rough. You're not going to get quite the same game.

I mean, I can remember those whole things when Bosch would get hurt and Wade and LeBron would have to. And then there was nights you're like, okay, Wade and Bosch are both ready to play. And then those are the nights they always won. But they'd play the Pacers. And DeWain had been great the night before. and Roy Hibbert gave LeBron problems and me'd be like, God, the Pacers are giving Miami a problem. That's because Duane Wade couldn't

give you the 39 at that level. And Cam's a lot like Duane Wade. He's not this great pocket presence. His mechanics are all over the map. He's got a power arm. But if you go look at a lot of Cam highlights, I'll show him to you here. A lot of them are Cam jumping over people

and running over people. He's the opposite of Russell Wilson, who never gets hurt because he never gets hit. Russell never gets hit. Cam gets hit on everything. Even the successful runs, he's getting dogged. And so I think sometimes expectations on Cam. There wasn't a big market because I think a lot of NFL people think he didn't the last two years look like Cam. The mechanics are off and they think his arm is hurt and they think his knees aren't the same. But maybe it's just expectations. Not everybody is built to play for 20

years in pro sports. They're just not. I think shooters in the NBA, Dirk Nebitzky, stayed out of the middle, fall away jumpers. That's what 20 years looks like. Steph Curry, if he can, you know, his knees stay healthy, could play forever. You know, the Steve Kerr, the Clay Thompson, by the way. Clay Thompson's a spot and shoot guy. Clay could play 25 years, and I'm not joking. I mean, Kobe Bryant at the end of his career was a shooter.

Kobe Bryant. Now, Michael Jordan, by the way, was not a, he was a good mid-range shooter, but as the game became a little longer in distance, Michael was another Attack the Rim guy. I mean, when you watch that Michael Jordan documentary, it was hard for Michael. He was tackled for the first six years. He wouldn't have been if he relied more on outside shooting.

So I think sometimes with Cam, if we would have said when he joined, there's a power running quarterback. He gets hit a lot. He runs over people. And as a pocket passer, he's kind of inconsistent. That doesn't sound like 20 years to any of us. We should be more realistic. All right, good stuff today.

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Run IHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy gave me your stylist a couple days ago. Still haven't called. You know, this is how I know we've been working together long enough, but I know what you are about to say before you say it. There's certain things you do where I know it's coming. Like sometimes you'll check your phone during the middle of the show and it'll just be like a quick thing because like,

someone's calling you because they forget what you do for a living or something. And then I know when you're picking up your phone because you've got a source text. Yeah. And I know when you're looking at, you'll be looking in the feedback monitor to kind of check your hair. You know, let's look at right now. Let's look at Joy's hair and my hair. I'm going to make a comment right now and I think it's accurate. No duo in America has more different hair than Joy Taylor and me.

And by the way, I think they both look stupendous. They do look stupendous. We have the best hair in the industry. I agree with that. We have the best right now. By the way, if you're at home, take a picture of this. Let's just take a picture of this with your phone. It's the best hair in the industry.

Seriously, I swear to God, I really think my hair looks fantastic. I like that you're just leaning into it now. Yep. I don't even care anymore. I don't even care anymore. You really should be proud because you have a lot of hair. Yeah, a lot. Which is good.

Yeah. You never thought about just going bald? Just going for it? Oh, God, no. I got huge ears. I would look like a trophy. I'd be a cab with its doors open. It would just be awful.

No, some guy, George Foreman, remember when George Foreman went bald and you're like, oh, he looks way better. Yeah, my father's been bald since college. Yeah, your brother's got perfect skin and small ears. It looks weird. Yeah, Michael Jordan looks great bald. He's got small ears and great skin.

Yeah. Guys like me, it's not. not it's a run. No good. It's gravel road. So I saw this. So the other place, um, they came out, they asked fifth. I like this when you ask execs and GMs and players and stuff. And you ask them, it's an anonymous poll. So people can really dog guys.

Because you know, you don't want to dog anybody. If you, you wouldn't want to dog like Odell Beckham if you had to face them or something, but you can dog guys if you, or you don't think they're quite as good. Or Zecchio Elliott. You know, you can be brutally honest when you're anonymous. It's harder to be honest. You don't want to hurt people's feelings and be a jerk, right? And get called out on Twitter. So all these executives and scouts and GMs rank the 10 best players at every position in the NFL. And the quarterbacks was earlier in the week. And the quarterback list was like, oh, those are Super Bowl favorites.

And after the first two Mahomes and Russell, you can argue all day long on who third is. You know, Aaron Rogers, one third. Very legit. I got no problems with that. The top 10 wide receiver list is interesting, though. Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, D'Andre Hopkins, Odell Beckham, Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Devontey Adams. Keenan Allen, eight, struggles to stay healthy, but really good. Chris Godwin in Tampa.

Well, that's two guys. That's why Tom Brady went down to Tampa. And Amari Cooper, people are all over the map on Amari Cooper, top ten. I don't have any big disagreements. I mean, I really don't. I think Devante Adams is going to get better. I think a lot of these guys, I know what they are. Devante Adams is a guy that if he went to another level, it wouldn't surprise me.

I think he's really, really good. But what's interesting about this, there's the top 10 list, there's one ring in it. one ring, Tyreek Hill, and he was not the number one target, Travis Kelsey is, is that wide receivers matter, but there's injuries, it's lousy weather, they don't mean as much, they're becoming prohibitively expensive, and it's always been a little bit of an ego position, right? Sometimes the players, you know, they want a bolt, they want this catch, they want that, blah, blah, blah. Three of the top 10 receivers have been traded on that list. And trading quarterbacks a lot in this league.

There are certain things in life that are awesome but not crucial. like an expensive watch. I got a phone. I know what time it is. I don't need a watch. If it makes guys feel, you know, whatever it does, whatever you project and the watch makes you feel, you don't need a watch. New England's built a dynasty without great wide receivers. Philadelphia has won a Super Bowl without great wide receivers. In fact, only three of the top 20 highest paid wide receivers in the NFL.

One's Al Sean Jeffrey, who on the Super Bowl team was the number two target. The other is Emmanuel Sanders in Denver when they couldn't move the football. It was about defense and kicking. So, you know, if you go to the top 20, all-time wide receiver list, take out Jerry Rice. And for the record, the Niners won two Super Bowls before he got there. There's not a lot of Super Bowls on it. And now college football is furnishing you with 25 to 30 wide receivers a year. So I think wide receivers are fun, but this is why salary cap leagues are fascinating.

What do you pay wide receivers? Cleveland pays two of them a ton. a tight end a ton. But I don't like Cleveland's secondary or linebackers. Until this year, I hated their offensive line. So it is interesting when you look at the wide receiver top 10. Not a lot of rings on it. Not a lot of rings in the top.

20 all-time wide receiver list. There's a lot of Randy Moss and a lot of Calvin Johnson. I don't disagree with this list at all. Keenan Allen and 8. Keenan's really good. He gets hurt a bunch, but he's really good. Odell Beckham gets hurt a lot, but he is a spectacular after the catch guy. Amari Cooper, I've always thought it's really good.

He feels like to me in big games against elite coverage, he shrinks a little, but I like him a lot. I'd love Amari Cooper on my team. Let me shift to this. So speaking to Zeke, Ezekiel Elliott is a top three running back in the NFL, not quite as good as he was a couple years ago, but still great. McCaffrey, Sequin, Barclay him, they're all great. But yesterday, on this top player list, they're talking about running back.

and an NFL offensive coach said he's 11th. He said very few breakout runs, doesn't look as strong anymore, feel like he's about 60 to 70% of what he was. Zeke didn't like it. But here's what's interesting about this, is that Zeke, to me, feels about 85% of what he was. He doesn't quite have the burst he had. Still very good.

I'd love to have him on the team. But the other thing is the Dallas offensive line is not as good as it was three years ago. That's not debatable. They lost Travis Frederick at Center and Tyron Smith is a first bout, Hall of Fame left tackle. I'm not sure he's built to get to 16 games anymore. He feels like 12 to 14. And the interesting part, obviously Dak Prescott is part of this conversation, is that the first three years, Dak Prescott had the best O line and the best running back, and the result was one playoff win.

One. Now, Zeke is probably not the best overall back. not what he was two, three years ago. And the O line is not the same. It is not the best line in football. I think Indianapolis has a good argument to get theirs. And if you go back and look at DAC, here's what's interesting. Dax's winningest year was his rookie year.

There were 13 and 3. But they didn't lean on DAC. Dack only threw 450 times, 27, 28 a game. He was very efficient, highest passer rating. But he was not their first. punch. They did not lean on him. Last year, they leaned on deck. He threw 600 times, 5,000 yards, and Dallas was 500. So for those, and they couldn't be to Philadelphia team down the stretch, where Dallas was better at every spot. I mean, outside of quarterback, they were better

on the O-line, they were better at wide receiver, they were better at running back. So the question becomes. They were actually better on the secondary by the end of the year. Philadelphia was beat up. The question becomes, clearly the cowboys are better, 13 and 3, when they don't rely on DAC to carry them. Last year, as the defense got worse, Zeeke's not quite Zique, the O line's not the same, they relied on DAC, and they were 8 and 8. That is why after Mahomes signs a deal that will pay him $45 million a year, when I look at DAQ, and the franchise tag at $31.5 million, I think that's exactly the number. That is right.

He is a complimentary quarterback that was surrounded with the best O-line and the best running back. He'll get you a nice record. You'll get double-digit wins, win your division, and that deserves to be paid. That deserves to be paid. But as everything's tailing off, and that's not arguable in doubt, the defense is worse, the O-line's not as good, Zeeke's not quite Zique. and you need him to throw over 5,000 yards in 600, 650 attempts. It's not the same football team.

So the franchise tag was created for, I like you, we're making a coaching change. I'm not sure I love you. And that's precisely where Dallas is at these days. All right. So I unveiled, I am now, I am running for the president of college football. football. And my platform is based on five things. Do we have, God bless America, I think most Americans realize this is just and right and would solve many of the egregious issues in college

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Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, ref, my mama want you to wave at her.

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What's an all-star NASCAR race, Goulet? What does that mean? I don't remember all the specific requirements, but basically if you've won a race in the past year you get to be in that one. They also have a couple of smaller races to get other cars into it. All right. So it's like the best drivers. Yes. All right. I got to clarify stuff.

I mean, listen, I am a wizard sports broadcasting, but there are some little holes in my game. I mean, it's an all-star race. It wouldn't be the worst ones. That would kind of be the opposite of all-stars. It's all the best guys. It's like the masters. You got to be qualified. It's all the best golfers. Or like an all-star game.

You know, here I try to just be civil and it's just shots. I like that you're a wizard now. That's way more fun. With bad hair. Okay, Joel Clatt's joining me. The voice of college football at our company, Joel Clatt, who a lot of times is wrong, but he's a good sport about it. He's joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. All right, Clatster. Let's start with this. Let's just start with the news that the Big Ten is getting out of conference games. Your opinion on just that news. I think it's a pretty smart decision, to be honest with you, because when I look at this

season and the potential of this season, I think that adjustments have to be made. And one of those adjustments means that you've got to minimize your bubble, if you will. Every other league has done it, right? And they've done it based on location and so on and so forth. Well, I think in college football, you can do that based on your conference. And what I mean by minimize the bubble is that you can have like procedures and testing protocols. So everything's the same so you don't have to worry about that. Everyone tests on Monday and Thursday in order to get on to the plane. All those different things.

I think that it makes it a much more manageable situation. To me, this is a solution to a problem. This is not an acknowledgement that we've got to change as much as it is a solution to a problem in order to try to get the season in. So I thought it was actually a really smart move. You know, college football in the spring. there's parts of it I think, listen, I think I like college football, and January, February, March, let's do it. But then I think about the draft.

Yeah. And part of me looks at it and think, you know, listen, if we can't get it in the fall, you know, kind of what's the point? Where do you land on that? Well, well, I'm glad you asked because, you know, there's some politicians have chimed in on this. And I think a lot of people that haven't been around football at the highest level of college or the NFL have kind of chimed in. think like, well, what do you lose by going to the spring? Well, I am a firm believer, a very firm believer. And I think that the data would support this is I think that players would be under more duress. And I think player safety would be in a greater degree of scrutiny if you try to play a season in the spring and then in the fall again because of the lack of time to not only

rehabilitate, but also to develop for the next season. I think that player safety would be an issue. I think it's much more dangerous to play a spring season backed up by a fall season rather than actually playing through the coronavirus when the statistical data based on all the government websites, CDC, whatever you want to look at, would suggest that the danger from the virus to these players in their age group is virtually zero. So I think that we need to acknowledge the reality of the situation and understand that trying to play seasons in back-to-back spring fall would be far more dangerous to these kids in their bodies than actually playing through the coronavirus. virus. So I am running for president of college football. Oh, but, oh, dude. I heard that, by the way. I'm listening, so I'm on vacation, but I still listen. You need to know something real quick, right? Like, you would get destroyed in a presidential college football election by me. It would be like the 1984 Reagan-Walter Mondale election. Those of you that don't remember that election, Reagan carried every state but one. I think he got like

530 plus electoral college votes. That's what would happen if you and I had a little election battle for president of college football. Not even a contest. That was before I let my hair grow out. Now there's a lot of, it's very Trumpian. It's just all over the place. Very, very polarizing, very popular. But let's get to my five changes.

Let's just show the audience. I talked about this an hour ago because we both love college football. You're a feet on the ground guy. No neutral site games. Why do you need to make Jerry Jones richer? I want games for Georgia to be in Athens or in Alabama. You get one cupcake game, only one non-power-five. Everybody plays 10 conference games.

That means Big 12. Go get Nebraska, put them back in her BYU. I don't want to have more than four teams in the playoff. The bottom line make it special. I've never once looked at the fifth or sixth best team and thought, wow, they should be number one. And only 12 bowl games, and I already named them. I don't need a bunch of weed eater bowls that nobody goes to,

this idea that they help the little guy. then why has the little guy been irrelevant for 50 years? The sport's never been more power base than it is now. So these are all brilliant, and I would win. But pushback, where are my holes on this? Well, there are a couple of holes. And let me start with, I think that your list is very good for a novice. For someone that just kind of dabbles or things like that.

But leave it to the experts to actually think through everything. Okay. Here's the first one. I would make all the conferences in terms of the power conferences, I would make all the teams join four conferences. So I would take it from five to four. And then they would all have a similar amount of teams. So the same number of teams. At that point, here's what I can do.

And you were onto something here with no neutral sites. I'm going to make your conference schedule for you. I'm going to make your non-conference schedule for you. And this is where you can grow revenue. Because remember, Colin, these conferences will never get out of what they are currently doing right now because they are not motivated to do. so. So you've got to give them a carrot by telling them that you're going to grow television revenue and this is how I would do it. You're going to play nine conference games within that conference, that power conference. You're going to play two other non-conference games against

one of those power opponents, but I'm going to schedule it for you based on where you finished last season. So if you're a first place team similar to the NFL, you're going to play a conference champion from another conference. So let's just say for the sake of argument, you're doing it off of last year and the Big Ten was scheduling partners this year with the PAC 12 and the Big 12. Well, that means Ohio State would welcome Oklahoma and they would host Oklahoma and then they would go and they would play Oregon, the champion out of the Pac 12. That's how I'm going to get more top line games within power conferences. Not bad.

And then the one leftover game, you can play some cupcake that's a regional, you can help with their budget. Yeah, it's not bad. I mean, a lot of times you're... No, it's brilliant, actually. It's way better. more thought through than yours. It's actually brilliant. Yours was good for a novice. Mine's brilliant.

Well, I connect with the people. I'm very relatable. You live up in a castle. I'm right there in a secluded grotto, 800 square feet with a common man. So let's move to this. You played college football at Colorado. You were okay. But you were also very good at baseball.

And I'm looking at Mahomes. Great baseball player. James Winston. Great baseball player. Russell Wilson. Good baseball player. Kyler Murray. Great baseball player. They all choose. football. And my takeaway is football,

the journey is more fun. I get a free ride in college, big man on campus, all the girls free cocktails, and I'm on television. And then I go to a football team, and the chances are I'm going to play within a year. Baseball is a lot of Appleton, Wisconsin, Schenectady.

And that's my takeaway, is that the journey of football is more glamorous. I get to be a leader of men that's built around me. All these baseball football kids. The guys are choosing football. Maybe I'm wrong on this, rarely, but it happens. Why did you choose? Would you have chosen football or baseball? Which one would you choose? Well, I went to baseball at a high school, but I had to choose football because I failed at baseball. But at the position of

quarterback, you're on to something. You mentioned all of these guys. And I would actually go, and I want to try to debunk the theory that baseball is more financially, you know, beneficial for those players. It's because when you sign a baseball contract to be a professional baseball player, that team retains your rights and you're under team control for years. Nearly a decade. People don't understand this. Let's say it takes you two or maybe three years to even get to the big leagues.

That's when your arbitration actually starts, right? Your clock actually starts. This is going to take you four more, maybe five more years to actually get to a point where you can negotiate a top level salary. So you're talking about eight seasons where you've got to be great at baseball. in order to get to a point where you can get one of those big guaranteed contracts. You contrast that with football. Look at some of these guys.

Kyler Murray played one season of college football and the successful nature, and he was a first round draft pick. That's guaranteed money right there. I think actually for a quarterback, the more financially reasonable and guaranteed money you're going to get is probably through football and you get all of those things that you're talking about, which was the ride was more fun. Real quickly, I had to go play in Medicine Hat Canada.

in the Pioneer League. You don't want to go to Medicine Hat Canada. I'm just telling you right now. The Cleveland Browns are a lot better than playing in Medicine Hat Canada. Yeah. Okay, here's another topic. So yesterday I saw this list of college football coaches on the hot seat. And, you know, Clay Hilton, USC, absolutely.

Tom Herman in Texas, I think he's got to win 9, 10 games or those boosters. There's a couple billionaires on those chairs. They want to win a lot of games. So then it's a bunch of coaches. at programs that I think the fan base are unrealistic. I think Will Mushchamps doing about as good as you're going to do mostly at South Carolina. Chip Kelly at UCLA, their stadium's not even on campus. It's also academically rough, international university.

And then I looked at Scott Frost at Nebraska, and I'm like, timeout. He's a great coach. Nebraska still thinks it's the 80s and it's a great job. I don't think Nebraska's a top 20 program anymore. I don't. I mean, it's, yeah, listen, I don't disagree with that. I think that Nebraska, you said Nebraska's in the wrong conference. I tend to agree with that, right?

Because you've got to have a recruiting base. I think you were spot on with that. I think right now what you have in college football, or I should say what you have had in the last five, six, maybe 10 years, is unrealistic expectations at programs that shouldn't have some of those expectations. And fan base has always fighting you on this. Like, what, you think that we should just accept seven wins or eight wins? you don't have to accept it, but at some point, you've got to acknowledge that you're not Alabama or Ohio State or Clemson or Oklahoma, right?

Like there has to be an acknowledgement of who you are before you can know where you're going. And I think you were spot on in terms of that. And I think Nebraska falls in that category. Here's one thing that I would say. And this hot list or a hot seat list, I don't think you're going to see many coaches fired this year because the budgets are going to be absolutely crushed from the COVID issue. You know, whether we have football or not, and I think we're going to. have football, but even in the season that we're going to have, these budgets are going to be absolutely decimated to the tune of 12, 15, some of them 20% for these athletic departments.

They're not going to have the appetite to buy out these massive guaranteed contracts that they have been giving these coaches over the last decade. So even if some of these coaches don't achieve their expectations, don't get to the win mark that people think that they should, I don't think you're going to see a lot of movement this year in the coaching ranks because quite frankly, there's not enough money to do so. So finally, I am running for president of college football. Oh, you get crushed. I mean, this is not even close.

Put it up. Goulet, put it up on Twitter. I'm certainly going to put it up on Twitter right now. Let's just look at both of us right now. Who looks presidential? I mean, this is. You've got a golf shirt on. Yeah, and it's red, white, and blue.

I'm a patriot. Thank you very much. I wouldn't vote for you. It looks like you're in some ritzy, fancy hotel. room. I'm here working. 24-7. I only own one home. How many homes do you own? First of all, that's personal

and mine is, again, it's a tiny ski chalet on a very bumpy mountain with no snow. We got him. We got him. We got him. Put it up. Put the poll up. Who would you vote for? Clat or whoever that guy is in the purple

shirt for president of college football. Well, it's not going to end up well for you. Enjoy your family, Joel. It's a pleasure to talk to you. Pleasure's always on this side. Thank you, Colin. All right, Joel Klatte. This is nice to talk to Joel today.

Would that nice to talk to him? He's up in Colorado. You guys actually do look like you're campaigning against each other. He did make a good point. His shirt was red, white, and blue. Mine's lavender. Yeah, but you have the working man political outfit on you. Like your sleeves to roll out.

Yeah, look at this. Look at this. This is a guy that's digging ditches. Yep. Look at this. Look at that. I'm going to roll up my sleeves and get to work. Look at this.

This guy has been in a ditch all day. digging for America. It's the bracelet. Yeah, the bracelet. You got it. Okay. Am I, oh, is it Joy?

It is, yes. All right. You know, I get so worked up with Claude. He is wrong so often. It gets me all frustrated. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance. Only pay for what you need. I do think he's right about the coaches, though. It's going to be real hard to just about paying out. I think it's a great point. I'm not going to buy.

Millions to a coach. to not finish out his contract right now. Also, you have to defend the coach is going to say, okay, I won one less game. 19 of my players miss games for COVID. I mean, seriously, at some point. Yeah, I don't think there's going to be a lot of movement in any coaching position in any sport. If Clay Helton and Tom Herman win nine, bring them back. And that feels like what they're both at.

It's just going to be a different year. So Patrick Mahomes just got a record-breaking contract extension, but how much could Lamar Jackson make when it's time for his next deal. His teammate Mark Ingram thinks that Lamar could be worth just as much as Mahomes and rival that a half a billion dollar deal. You got to be worth right at least the same amount, if not more. You know what I mean? So I know he's chomping at the bit to get his opportunity to get his extension.

But he's not worried about that. He just want to play good ball. He want to win games. But we know LJ going to secure that bag real soon. We can start negotiating his new contract next summer. he signed a four-year $9.5 million rookie contract

including basically a $5 million signing bonus $7.5 million guaranteed in an average salary of $2.38 million per year, which is, that's where he's going to be paid

according to the rookie skill where he was drafted. He's going to make money. The question is if he's good again in the regular season and it will give the Ravens a little leverage

if he struggles in the postseason. We're like, we're not giving you 44, we're giving you 38. That'll be the leverage point. But if he's good in the postseason and the regular season, and the regular season, then you're going to get huge money.

Well, it's not really a talent debate, right? Like, we all think Mahomes is better at this point, but that doesn't make Lamar terrible. Lamar is still great. He's the league MVP. Like, he is great. Well, here's the other thing, Joy. Let's say this year, let's just say he gets banged up a little bit.

He underachieves a little bit, and he goes nine and seven. You're not bailing on him. You're not letting somebody else in the league have him. The question becomes, is he going to make superstar money or star money? I think he would still make superstar money because I don't think that this year, like we were just talking about, I don't think any major evaluations are going to be made for anything this year because we're all dealing with unprecedented times. It's very hard to evaluate straight up what the future is going to look like. So you have to look at the entire body of work, right?

But what does it come down to at the end of the day with quarterbacks? Are you a great regular season quarterback or are you a great postseason quarterback? That's very young, so it's so much, we have time to tell if he's going to be a great postseason quarterback. He's 0 and 2 in the playoffs right now. Patrick Palms is 4-1 and just won a Super Bowl. It's very interesting. Lamar Jackson and Zion both have a series of critics. And it's really interesting.

It's fascinating to me. Like, I get, there are players in the NBA, like Kyrie Irving deserves critics. He's been rough on coaches, LeBron, and he's heard a lot. Like, I get the critics. Westbrook, his game, he unravels too much. I get the criticism. Ryan Tannahill, you know, that's a big bag of money, and it's like, you know, the Titans, even Garapolo, I'll take Garoppolo. The Niners took the ball out of Garoppolo's hands in the playoffs.

I can't, I can't argue out of that. I don't get the Lamar Zion. First of all, Zion doesn't look like anybody else in the league physically. Right. Lamar doesn't run like anybody else in the league. physically. At some point you just have to acknowledge Lamar's 19 and 3. You just have to come to terms with that. It's just 19 and 3. That's just absurd. It is absurd. And that includes his rookie year. And we don't have to decide if he is a great, if he's going to be a great postseason quarterback

yet. He's very young. We still have time to determine that. But as far as comparing the Mahomes contract to Lamar's contract, which again, we don't even like talking about contracts. But obviously this is a conversation because Mahomes just got paid. Holmes has a Super Bowl ring also. That makes a difference. That is a huge factor in why he got that contract. And for that matter, why he signed such a long contract with the Chiefs. So the Rockets left for the bubble yesterday, but their two stars were not on the plane. James Hardin, Russell Westbrook reportedly did not travel with the rest of the team. Why? But they are expected to fly to Orlando on their own in the near future. They were among a small group of Rockets players and staffers who

did not travel on the team flight to Orlando. So I don't know if maybe they're going in groups together to like quarantine separately. I guess it doesn't work. I mean, they're all quarantined separately, but like... It doesn't really matter. If you're making 40 million a years, get to the place. Yeah, I mean, they're going to figure out how to get there. That's not the issue.

Like you and I didn't travel on the same plane to the Super Bowl. No. I mean, everyone... It's not a big deal. Like, they're still going to go. It's just news because they weren't there and several of their teammates and staff. Did you see what happened in Portland? Gary Trent Jr. went to the bathroom.

Oh, yeah. Took a picture of himself, like, not on the bathroom being cool. And on the same plane, me on Loner than C. Jam in color, like, dude, we have to use the bathroom. You're in there doing selfies. Get over yourself. I love it. Social media is undefeated. So Lamello Ball is going to be a top target for teams in the NBA draft this year, but many in the league think that he already has a preferred landing spot. Multiple teams reportedly believe that Lamello wants to be drafted by the Knicks and that his father Lovar could try to steer his son to New York. Well,

LeVar did do a pretty good job of campaigning for for Lonzo to get to the Lakers. He's got a knack of speaking things into existence. I will say this. He's got a little, he just has a better, he's a better shooter than Lonzo. Yes. And he's, but I'll tell you, he's still got,

the ball families jump shots are not Steph Curry. Very unorthy. Well, they look unorthodox. He is definitely a score. Yes. I love him for the Knicks because he's very different than Lanzo. He's a personality. Well, he's also, he is

Steph Curry. Like, he could drop 30. Yes. Like Lonzo is at his core a distributor. Exactly. Exactly. He's a different player than Lonzo. And he also has a different level of experience than Lonzo did because he has played overseas and been playing against professionals for a few years. Lovar was asked last month

if he thought New York was the ideal landing spot and he said, oh yes. What I really look forward to if this happens and obviously there's a lot of things that to fall in place in order for him to get to New York. I mean, James Dolan, versus the barball. I mean, that's the feud.

You know, it's a weird draft. It is the strangest draft. As a kid that plays for USC, I was talking to the basketball coach at USC a couple days ago, he works out at my gym. He's like, he's the most unbelievable story. He goes, a year ago, we didn't know if he was draftable. And then six months later, he's a first rounder.

Six months later, the kid works so hard, people think he'll go one or two. Like, it's funny, when you get these 17, 18-year-old kids, they make these massive leaps. in strength. I mean, it's just fascinating to watch these guys. I mean, think of how different you were from your last year of high school to the start of your sophomore year of college.

Like just your body. You're a different person. Just over the summer, you're going to come back a different person. You can grow two inches of college. Well, girls tend to stop growing at like 13. Yeah, yeah. I've been this size since I was like 13 years old. Well, that's why like in recruiting, college coaches for women's sports

offer scholarships at 12 or 13 years old because what you see is what you get. I grew six and a half inches junior to senior year. Yeah, it's insane. Like boys are, like the Anthony Davis story. My brother grew two inches in college, his freshman year. Two years in college?

Yeah. Why is that? I don't know. Not a doctor. But it's true, though. Yeah. Joy Taylor, with the news. Well, that's the news.

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Search Learn the hard way and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me.

He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, rep, Mom, I'm a one. I want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at?

Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Most trends in America start with young people. Fashion trends, music trends, social media trends, tech trends, start with people from 18 to 32 years old. Just the way it is. We don't look to older Americans for style,

though my hair is rocking. nobody would deny that. The reality is young athletes now in America, and they've always done this, they choose the coolest place to be a great athlete. It's not quite as cool to be a boxer. Why get punched in the face? It used to be when I was a kid growing up. I thought the coolest job in sports as a kid was like shortstop for the Yankees or Dodgers. Like that was the coolest job. And then there's lots of my life. I've thought the coolest thing is to be like a soccer star, or like an NBA player, a star NBA player. I think Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers,

have made the quarterback position, the coolest position in American sports. And kids like cool. You want to be popular. You want to be asked out by the cute girl. You want to be asked out on the ski trip. Go to the lake with friends. Nobody wants to be uncool in high school. You sit on couches from therapists years later.

discussing how you weren't invited. Nobody gave you attention. It matters for young people. J.J. Watt was saying it yesterday. He said, I think it's a whole lot of money and a damn good time to be a talented young quarterback in this league. Never been more true.

This is why in California, the state of California, it used to be, I followed recruiting forever. The state would have 12 Division I running backs. This year it's got two. Running back's not cool anymore. You get hit hard, a lot. Career doesn't last as long.

The cool position is quarterback and wide receiver. And it's really quarterback, let's be honest, because I dictate if I throw the ball to you. You can double team a wide receiver, roll over coverage, take him out. Doesn't work that way in football. I get 60 touches. And I think Patrick Mahomes now is the coolest guy in American sports.

Money, fame, the man, glamour, winning, titles. cool matters. It matters to young people. They've always set the trends on cool. And I think going forward, this translates to having unbelievable quarterback play. All the best young athletes,

not choosing baseball, most won't choose soccer, some will choose basketball, but basketball has always been one of those things. Anybody in the family, six, seven, it's hard to make the NBA. Some of these are just genetics. I mean, Russell Wilson, small,

Kyler Murray's smaller. Tom Brady's not athletic. This is the position in America going forward. Second story today, J.J. Reddick was saying on a podcast, I believe, that one of the reasons, or perhaps the primary reason, Kevin Durant and LeBron James, got so much crap on going to Miami and going to the Golden State Warriors because it was powerful, talented black men making decisions. I think a lot of that is true. How much is true?

I don't know, but I think it's an interesting point. What I think is fascinating is how we hold mobility against NBA players. One of the stats in America that I just find incredible, 40% of Americans will never live further than 20 miles from mom. You're afraid. I mean, let's be honest. Most of us don't grow up next to Silicon. and just happen to like tech. Most of us never wanted to be stockbrokers.

And our dad happens to work at Goldman Sachs. Those are outliers. Those are very, very rare. Most of us have to get on a bus, a car, a train, a plane, and we've got to move. What are the chances that you would play college basketball or high school, and then you'd be drafted by a team who had a smart owner, who had a great GM who could spot,

talent and a top five coach. The chances are out absurdly low. Mobility should be accepted because there's virtually no chance. Magic Johnson is a complete

historic outlier. He goes to what was the coolest franchise with arguably the best owner, most progressive. He inherited Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who was the unstoppable center, and they were smart enough to draft James Worthy. and by his second coach, he got Pat Riley.

That doesn't happen. That doesn't happen. Of course, LeBron's moved. Because what are the chances Cleveland had their act together? Oh, wait. They never have. And then he went to Miami. Good call, but Dwayne Wade and Bosch were getting hurt more.

And then he chooses Cleveland. But after a couple of years, he realizes, they can't get me the right guys, and Kyrie doesn't want to play here. You know, it's just one of those things. We question players' loyalty. Just ask yourself, if you were a professional athlete and you had about eight peak years, in football, it's less. But in basketball, let's say it's about eight peak years.

You know, 23 to about 31, and then stuff starts to hurt and you have to wear a knee brace. If you had eight peak years as a doctor or a lawyer, what would be the chances that your first job would be your best job with a perfect chief of staff at the hospital and a perfect fundraising arm and an all-star cast of nurses and receptionists that could help you through surgery? The chances would be almost nothing. And that's why when it comes to loyalty in the NBA, I'm thinking we should be more forgiving of professional athletes. more forgiving, not less forgiving. Of course their first job isn't the best job. Chris Broussard came on earlier. And I said for Janus,

if he doesn't get support in the playoffs and he doesn't get to the finals, I would be disappointed if he didn't leave. I don't care where he goes. Join Bradley Beale, a guy I love in D.C., but you got to go join an A player. Broussard talked about that, Chris Broussard. I don't think players,

who don't leave should be shamed or criticized. Like if Janice, if Janice decides, you know what, I want to stay in Milwaukee. I'm happy here. I want to lead this team to a championship. He shouldn't be criticized. I would respect that loyalty. Let's not forget.

Russell Westbrook did that. Russell Westbrook said, look, I'm happy here in Oklahoma. I want us to win a championship here. And he was widely praised for it. Alan Iverson always said, I want to stay in Philadelphia. Yes, I want to win a championship. I'm going to give everything I have to do that.

But if I don't, then I can live with that. I think history shows LeBron KD at the time, Lou Alcinder, the players who understand how small the window is have benefited greatly via rings and titles. Hour three, Will Blackman, Jason McIntyre, The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd. in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Will Blackman. You know, I love when my guests end up being friends.

So I didn't know this. Will Blackman is friends with Drew Bledsoe because Drew owns a winery. And Will Blackman, he's either a wine sommelier or he's testing for it. Will's got unbelievable wine knowledge. And they've connected. I didn't know this. And I was like, that's great. And then I asked Will, what about Bledso's wine? He's got a cab doubleback wine. And Will's like, oh my God, the 2008 is an elite wine. And I was like, boom. I love that.

I love when people that I like have a relationship and I even know about it. I like that you're drinking more wine. A little bit. I have snake dreams. Are they going away a little bit? You know what? You just got to deal with some stuff in life. You want to make sacrifices?

If you want to enjoy life, it's not linear. Life has bumps. If you want to enjoy life, you're going to have to deal with a couple snake dreams. And I'm married. We have fights. I still rather be married than single. I don't even know how you guys do it. That was a wild swing of comparison.

Well, I mean, when you're married, there's a lot of sacrifices. Right. I mean, it's just nothing but sacrifice. I mean, relationships are all about compromise. That's how it works. Will Blackman joining via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Decade in the NFL got a Super Bowl ring, and he's a wine sommelier. You're married, right?

Are you married, right? Just celebrated 12 years. Wow. Now, how, can I have, I have a question. The key to marriage is what? Compromise. Oh, geez. I just said that.

Why does it have to be compromise? Because that's what, that's what relationships are. Joy, that's what you said. You said compromise. I literally just said compromise. That's what we're, that's what all relationships are. You know what? Listening and compromising, man.

Oh, God, now you had listening. It doesn't always have to be my way. Yeah, it doesn't, it can't always be my way, man. I had to learn that the first like five years. But let's be honest. When you didn't listen, it was way more fun. Not really. It was stressful because me, listen, I'm a moody individual.

And if something bothers me, it takes me a while to get over it, especially when it's with somebody that I care deeply about. All right. All right. Let's move off that topic. No winners there. Okay, let's start with this. You know how in the NFL, you started with the Packers.

you went to the Giants, you went to the Redskins. Every team has a little bit of a different culture. Bruce Ariens is a little loose. 100%. Patriots are a little uptight. Does Cam New England, what about that fit thing? How does it fit for you?

I think it's going to fit very, very well simply because Cam needs to be challenged. That's the biggest thing. When Cam was in Carolina, he was the King of Carolina. It was his team. He did all the things he wanted to do. And I think, after winning the MVP and then having that one play in the Super Bowl where everyone was talking about,

even the postgame interview when Chris Harris is talking about how they end up neutralizing Cam, him dealing with his injuries, I think it's very, very important for him to get challenged and get back on top. I mean, he's one of the few who, you know, won the highest award in college, won the highest award in the NFL. And he still has plenty of less. So I believe what Bill Belichick, he has to be challenged. All the great players I know that became great. was because they had a coach that really challenged them as a person. That's why for this, it wasn't about the money.

Everybody was up in arms about the contract. Oh, this is not in the third. Well, maybe that was a going rate. Maybe he's like, hey, man, I made plenty of money. I've done lots of things. I want to get back to the top where I was because that's where Cam is most comfortable as being at the top. So when Patrick Mahomes signed, he didn't take every penny. And Rob Parker brought up something the other day that I thought was interesting.

Rob Parker said, hey, you guys didn't win. anything without me. Give me all the money. You figure out the salary cap. That's not my problem. You figure out. And I think to myself, that sounds good. But when Drew Brees took all the money, the saints weren't very good. And when Tom sacrificed, the Patriots were good. Yeah, Flackold took a lot of money, too, and they went backwards. And they went into the tank. So as a player, what did you make of them a home's contract? He didn't go to the well for everything. I mean, I like the fact that they secured him so long. He's done so much in the short career than most people have done their entire career.

But yeah, I mean, I like it for both sides. You take care of him for life. And also, you also have the flexibility to still continue to build, you know, the team around him. Because when you have a talent like a hit man, it's kind of, it's like plug and play. Yes, they have extremely elite guys like Tyreek and all the players. and Travis Kelsey, they have all those guys. But with Mahomes, it's kind of like you can just bring in guys and, you know, find a role for them.

His, just Pat Mahomes being who he is, he's going to elevate everybody's level of play. When you're back to with the quarterback that you know, like, he's going to get the rock to me wherever I am on the field, you're going to do, you're going to go above and beyond to do that. So that's his impact, too, when they are getting players. Yeah. The, um, you know, like my answer?

No, it's not that I don't like your answer, but I think it's, easy for people like me to say, take a pay cut. Or I think it's real easy for me. It is. It is. But when you're the best player in the world at something, I take. When you're the best player in the world, you get paid like the best player in the world. Because at the end of the day, the organization is going to do what's best for the organization.

I don't care who you are. You know what I'm saying? I was, we always talk about this every time I'm on the show. I was there with the whole Brett Farr, Iron Rogers thing. Brett Farr was still an elite world talent, just came off of an MVP caliber type of season, almost led us to the Super Bowl again. The Green Bay Packers were ready to move on regardless. They were ready to move on, you know? So always going to do his best for the organization.

So he capitalized and he got paid just like who he should have been, the best quarterback, the best, probably the best athlete in the world right now. People compare Lamar Jackson to him, interesting. Whereas Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers and Patrick Mahomes, their regular season and playoffs, passer ratings are virtually the same. Lamar's had two stinkers in the playoffs. Now, it could be random. It could just be bad luck. It could be bad games.

But there is, I'm not one of them, but there are people that think he's this during the regular season. He's the Phoenix Sons with Steve Nash. They come into town, their offense is so unique. Nobody can keep up. But when you got a bunch of time to prepare for the Steve Nash sons, you could find the holes and they really weren't built for postseason success. where do you fall on Lamar?

Do you think Lamar's had a couple of bad playoff games? That is not who defines him. And he's going to go eventually he's going to be Lamar Jackson, regular season. He'll play like that in the postseason. Yeah, I feel like it's way too soon because he's peaked already so early in his career where people are like, oh, he can't win the big game. It's like, we're not talking about John Elway here, you know, who didn't start winning Super Bowl until his late 30s.

Yeah. you know, it's still very, very soon. The ceiling I see for him is how the Philadelphia version of Michael Vick, where he was literally a dual threat. He can do both when he had Marty Mornowig as his quarterback coordinator, and he was able to do both. So it's still way too early. Lamar is already an extreme threat in the NFL, as you see, winning the MVP.

He can only get better. So when it comes down to it, yes, the quarterback gets all the blame, but it's still a team game. You know, they still had to tackle Derek Henry, which they couldn't. You know, they still have to stop, you know, Tannad Hill in the playoffs, which they, you know,

they had to figure that out too. So it's still a team sport. It's way too early. It's just that it's a young quarterback league now. So you compare it to everybody else what's going on. You look at Mahomes right across the way and you see what he's doing now. So not only fans, but, you know,

coaches are expecting this early success too. But for Lamar, just give it time, man. That's what I believe. By the way, they're short in the preseason four games to two. I've always thought it's totally overrated. Yet every time I bring a coach on, they're like, oh, you've got to have preseason games.

And I'm like, oh, boy, college doesn't. So if I said to you, you're the commissioner of the NFL, would you have one, two, three, four, or no preseason games? What's the value of them? The value is for the bottom of the depth chart. You know, you really want to see those guys in a game-like situation. The veterans, you know, you can trust them. the guys you get higher in, you know, like the first round.

Okay, you got them in the first round because you already know what they can do for the most part. But breezing the games are for those guys that you aren't sure about. It's for those guys who are neck and neck. Maybe you have one player who is straight up practice hero making all these plays in practice. And then he gets into the game and he just blanks out and doesn't know anything. You might have that other player who in practice he just, man, you just want him to compete more. But then he gets to the game and he's lights out. So it's good for those guys that you aren't sure of,

but guys who are main starters, when I was playing, Charles Woods, he didn't play in the prison game unless he wanted to. The only time he really went after it that I could remember is because we got a new defense. So he probably played like a snap or two, but for the most part, you don't put those guys out there. What's the last wine sommelier, Will Blackman?

What is the last great wine you had? Great. So I was very, very fortunate. One of my neighbors, his name is Matthew Keegan. He broke out some DRC Latage for us. Now, what is that? Tell my audience. Domain Romani Conti.

It's a Pinot Noir in Burgundy, France. And it's one of those wines where I think it retails for like $6,000. Oh, Lord. And no, I know. It was more so the experience. I thought it was very, very good and excellent, but it was more so just the experience because you hear about, oh, Domain Romani-Dicanti, Screaming Eagle,

all these wines. And he had a couple. And he said, hey, you want me to open this up? I'm like, man, you know what? You don't need to worry about it. In the back of my mind, I'm like, open that thing up, man. And yeah, he poured it from my wife and I. So that was the last great Peter Noir that I had.

So if you came on the set once this COVID thing gets, and I had four glasses of wine. And I just gave them to you. Could you tell me what type they were? Could you tell me the one? You want to blind taste me next time? Yeah, yeah. So I want to know the region.

Can you give me the region, the year, and the type? I could get down to possibly the vintage, but I can get you the type, and I could possibly get you the region. Oh, my God. That's so impressive. Yeah, and maybe the vintage. So in one of my classes, I had to actually go through the whole wine tasting process myself, and I actually got it down.

I called Barrosa Valley Shiraz 2016. It was a 17, but I called it all the way down. to one year off of the vintage. Is there any wines in a box that are any good? No, there are. I don't know the name of them off the top of my head, but we do have the Wine MVP subscription box, which is very, very cool.

Will Blackman. All right, good talking to you about everything. Wine, marriage, and football. You know, I just thought of something. You know, we always talk about sacrifice. Joy, how come it's always us? sacrificing, huh? Caught you on that one? No. It isn't? Because we stripped her of her identity, that's why we have to sacrifice. Oh, Lord. She changed her last name. Oh, that's good. She changed

her last name for us. She, you know, they follow us. It's like, you know, that's just how it is, man. They submit to us, so we have to compromise by sacrificing. Oh, my God. It sounds like you've been to a therapist in the last 24 hours. Lord. Hey, man. Listen, man, I'm just keeping it. 100, bro. Okay, Will Blackman. That's enough. All right, buddy, good seeing you. You too, man.

I mean, he had it all ready to go on that. He's been married for 12 years. It's a long time. That's how it goes. I'm exhausted. All right, Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Tom Brady's known for having incredible work ethic. Yeah. And Devin McCordy shared a story about Brady's dedication to football that still stands out to him years later. I want to say back in 2014 or 15, we played somebody that weekend. Tom threw an interception and practice on Friday

to Rashon Melvin, whose locker was right by mine and threw a intercept to him in the red area. We were towards the end of practice. And the next day, Tom came in and he goes to Mel. He's like, man, because of you, I had to watch 109 plays last night of the red area to make sure I could get that ball in there. And I'll bring back to him my head like, or you watch a hundred and they're like, how?

In practice. McCordy brothers, they are so Belichick. He loves those. They're so never, never in the wrong place. Like the McCordy's were built to play football for Belichick. Well, sort of lending to this story. And yes, you're right. And lending to the story, Belichick is about preparation.

Yes. He's about practicing situations. about putting guys in situations in practice that you would experience in a game, not just going through routines. Luck favors the prepared. What were we talking about yesterday with Malcolm Butler? Yes, that was a great throw.

It was a better defensive play, but he knew it was happening because it's routine. When you practice for these situations, when you prepare for these situations, you're ready. And that's like Tom Brady being the ultimate leader of the Belichukian way. He throws an interception in practice,

so he's got to watch 109 plays so he makes sure he doesn't do it again. You really got me. football is even practice is hard. You have to love football to be great at it. Like Tony Gonzalez says, 3% of guys love it. You really do. It's not one of these sports. But I think, you know what?

I think that that applies to a lot of things. I mean, that could apply to our business. We all know people who are in this business who just like to be in television or just like to hear themselves talk, but they don't really care or love it. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. You can tell Damien Liller loves basketball. Now, he's talented in music, but you can tell he loves it because his game is so detailed.

Like when you have three or four moves and they're literally brilliant, like LeBron James, you can tell he loves it, he always, but every other year he adds something. It's really hard to be consistently great at something you don't love. You can be good. You can have moments and sparks and, you know, catch lightning in a bottle. But to be consistently great at something, I do think you have to love it because you have to dedicate yourself to it.

And that's difficult to do when you don't truly care about it. So Charles Barkley named his top NBA. players, top 10 NBA players of all time, but he left Shaq off the list, and that did not make Shaq very happy. I've never seen anybody like Shaq, ever. Shaq is the most dominant big man ever, in my opinion. But I put it behind Magic and Bird, LeBron and Kobe. I didn't put it behind nobody like crazy.

I'm saying Shaq is right there 11, 12, 13. Chuck, you know what? I miss you and all, but I ain't going to argue with you. You got two options. When you get back here, you face this or you take all your clothes off and you're jumping that damn lake river ocean, whatever it is. You hold your breath to 30 minutes. Lake Tahoe.

When I see you, I'm putting these hands on it. I'm not in your top team. Are you kidding me? So his top 10 NBA players were Michael, Oscar Robinson, Bill Russell, and Oscar Robertson. Kareem Wiltz, Kobe at 6, LeBron at 7, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, and then at 10, he has Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. Oh, that's a bad list. I love Charles, but that's not a good list.

It's not my favorite top 10 list of all time. I have, you think I'm crazy, let's just do centers. Kareem is number one. Wilts number two, Russell 3. I do Akeem then Shaq. Akeem dominated Shaq. Akeem gave Shaq fits. I just think Shaq has to be in that conversation because we've never seen anyone like Shaq.

before or since. He's just such a dominance, unstoppable force of a player. By the way, Goulet, get off the hockey scores. Look up Akeem and Shaq Awards. Now, Keem's got two titles. Shack has got three or four.

He won one in Miami. So Shack's got the, I mean, Shaq only won one or two MVPs. The Akeem only won one or two. I mean, I think Akeem, historically, I'd put him ahead of Shaq. Because when I saw him play against each other, Akeem gave him huge fits.

Akeem is the most underrated player. So you wouldn't have Shaq in your top 10 players? No, no. But I think he's great. It'd have him in my top. I'd probably have him like, I mean, like Michael, LeBron, Magic, you know, now it's Kobe, Bird. Karim.

Kareem. Probably wilt. Bill. Who? Bill Russell. I don't know. Really? 6-8.

I don't care about rings. They each won one MVP. Okay, they both won one MVP. I don't have Akeem in my top 10, so why should I have Shaq? They both won one MVP. When they went head to head in the finals, Akeem won. And also, what was Akeem's, you should look up Akeem versus Shaq stats. I remember the games.

Akeem gave him fits. But if you're Charles Barkley, you've got to put Shaq in your time. Well, yes, I think for the show. So finally, Tiger Woods is returning to the PGA Tory, announced on Twitter that he will participate in next weekend's Memorial Tour. tournaments will be his first official event since February 16th. He said he's missed going out and competing and can't wait to get back out there. It's played at Muirfield Village.

He's won five times. Most recently in 2012, he tied for ninth at the Memorial. I can't wait. I'll watch it. He has a magnetic quality that he and Mickelson get me to a TV, period. So we are slowly getting some sports back. I mean, obviously we've had golf back for a while now, but getting Tiger back is big. Got NLS back this week.

No, the UFC card this weekend. UFC has been wildly entertaining. And this one, it's in the Az Islands. Yeah. So, there's stuff I've watched. I've enjoyed it. I've watched golf. Got me to play golf again.

I've watched UFC. Now, you're a golfer now. Not a huge NASCAR guy, but I've watched the end of that one race. What else have I watched? I watched baseball practice yesterday. It's so weird sounding because it's so dead. But you hear the whack. I mean, just, you're going to have to, as a broadcast team,

you're going to have to put some music in or some crowd noise in. Yeah, they'll find. find a way to balance it out. Yeah. Enjoy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lying news.

Shack's got four titles. Akeem's got two. They both have one MVP. Shack won more head-to-head battles. It's really close. Akeem and Shaq is a good. Now, you could make your argument that Shaq had a certain style and dominance, that when Shaq was really at his peak, you couldn't guard him.

I just think Duncan's ahead of both, though, right? Duncan's probably I would put Duncan ahead of both. Tim Duncan's the best forward ever. Also, here's another thing. Where's Barclay? Barclay's in my top 15. Isn't LeBron a forward though?

Yeah, I guess you're right. LeBron's the best forward. See, these top ten lists you have to really sit down and think about... I don't like including centers. It's like, you know... I think it's hard to do it. It'd be like doing the best planets. You'd have to take us out.

We have people. The rest of them are just, you know, oh, look at that planet. There's nothing happening. Well, we don't know if there's stuff happening. Well, I mean, Jupiter, you can see it. You can know people on that. You've got to take Earth out of the planets. Because, you know, we have people.

I mean, we just, I mean, we have, uh, yeah, Monday I'm going to do a herd hierarchy. What are we evaluating other planets based on? Well, I'm just saying is that you got to take Earth out of the other planets. Like, obviously, sun is the best, the sun is the best planet. That's a star, though. It's a star. Yeah, look at Mars. I mean, I saw, I saw when Matt, Saturn has the most rings.

You know, we care about rains. But there's nobody there, no buildings, no corporations. And it kind of looks the best also. No rainforests. No beautiful rivers. Is Pluto still a planet? Yeah, Pluto's a planet. Yeah, I thought it wasn't a planet. I thought we decided.

Oh, you're right. Pluto is out of the club. They got booted. Yeah, they did. I used to want to be an astronaut. Really? Yes, and I think from this conversation, you could see why that was a good choice.

You had just headed off to a star. Career choice. It's wrong place. All right, Jason McIntyre. tomorrow's headlines today, wrapping up a Friday. Do you know right now, GEICO's offering an additional 15% off RV policies, car policies, motorcycle policies.

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a deductible may applaud. Car shield.com. I like bringing Will Blackmun on. He makes me laugh. It's really remarkable. To be a wine Somali. People understand how hard it is. I own a wine store.

The preparation in the study to be a wine Somalié, it is Yeah, it's just like we said, if you want to be great at something, you have to really love it. Oh, man, you have to just that is one of the four or five things in life.

Like, forget learning another language. It's harder than that. Like, I love wine. I'm a wino. To be able to drink it and go, oh, yeah, a pinot-gree. No, I'm about, what was that place that Joel Clatt?

Like, if Will is, like, the top paid shortstop for the Yankees, like on the verge of Hall of Fame with his level of wine, I'm like where Joel Clatt was playing. Where did he say he was playing in Canada? Oh, he played medicine jaw

or something, medicine hat. Medicine hat? Yeah. No, I mean, it's incredible to study. I'm not calling anything. Yeah, Jason McIntyre joining me via the Coward Global Satellite Network. We always do it on Fridays. Tomorrow's headlines today.

He's got a bizarrely accurate prediction on things that happen. He tries to guess before things happen. He creates headlines for them. So first of all, do you drink wine? Yes, though not during the quarantine. I'm in desperate need of a haircut. I see you need one too, Colin. And so wherever you go, let me know so I can drop by there this weekend.

Yeah, mine's starting to look like a hat, which is not just a good, it's not a great place to be. All right, here we go. Tomorrow's headlines today. What's going to be the headline for Patrick Mahomes over the next 12 years? I mean, this one's a layup, right? The guy wins an MVP award, his first year as a starter, then wins a Super Bowl MVP. The headline will be Patrick Mahomes. I love Patrick Mahomes.

I got him three Super Bowls. Colin, based on what we've seen from him so far, I mean, sky's the limit, right? Him and Andy Reid together, I just think this is going to really work in Kansas City. And you have to go all the way back to the mid-90s when you saw Brett Farwood, three straight MVP's for a guy to dominate like Mahomes. Now, Peyton Manning went back to back a couple times, but what Mahones has done incredible, I'm in awe of him. I've compared him to Steph Curry, and I'm told you have done that as well.

The parallels between their fathers being athletes, underappreciated. in college. You know they both missed the postseason, their final year in college, not drafted in the top five, and now they just totally dominate their respective leads. Good stuff. All right, tomorrow's headlines today. What's going to be the headline for the team that signs Jadavian Clowny, interested? He's the best guy left on the market. Now, last time we did this with Andy Dalton, boom, a home run. I know you remember, the headline for Clownie will be music cities new miracle they need a pass rush yeah this is the team to watch uh mike brable of course their coach coached him in houston and the word on the street is clownie really wants revenge

on the texans for trading him if he goes to tennessee he then gets to face the texans twice we know they have an anemic pass rush they lost their two of their top three guys that hit the quarterback last year casey and cameron wake clowny a perfect fit there on the opposite side of Vic Beasley, their new free agent addition. Listen, I don't like the Titans this year, but for Clowny, it makes all the sense in the world. Well, the team he last played for is the Seattle Seahawks. So tomorrow's headlines today, what's going to be the headline for the Seahawks this year? They're going to lose Clowny.

Oh, boy. Now, I know this is a guy you love, Russell Wilson. You guys are now bosom buddies tight. I'm sure you're texting every day. Unfortunately, the headline will be playoffless. in Seattle. Now, Colin, the Seahawks, I believe they're in the best division in football, right? You've got surging San Francisco, the Rams. They're not going anywhere. And Arizona is on fire right now. They look really good. My concern with Seattle is not Russell Wilson. Colin, they're going to have

three new starters on the offensive line. The right side of the line entirely new, a new center. Given the pandemic and the condensed offseason, Colin, three new offensive linemen, a new 35-year-old tight end. Okay, there's a lot of change going on. Russell Wilson, of course, running for his life last year, had eight fumbles, tied for fourth in the league. He had the fourth highest sack rate of any quarterback. So he's already scrambling for his life. And now you've got three new offensive linemen. Colin, major concerns for me at Seattle and your boy, Russell Wilson.

Oh, it's good. It's interesting. They've never, to me, given him the offensive line he richly deserves. Tomorrow's headlines today, the headline for the super-relipped. ball sleeper pick. Yes. All right. This is one of my favorites. I've gotten a lot of good feedback from this one on my Instagram page. The Super Bowl dark course. Are you ready for this? The headline will be in the racing to Super Bowl 55, Philip Rivers and the Colts. Colin, this, I mean, I love this. Okay. The Colts, by the way, they're kind of undervalued in the gambling markets. Eight and a half is their total.

Look at their schedule. Easiest in the NFL. Easiest schedule. Phillip Rivers, by the way, everybody's like he's washed. Colin, his offensive line was garbage, okay, with the Chargers last year. Now he goes to the best line in the league with the Colts. He hasn't missed a game. Are you ready for this? 14 straight seasons. The guy's durable.

He goes behind a great line. We know they're going to ground and pound this year. They picked up Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin in the draft. Marlon Mack and Taylor. I'm telling you, folks, Indianapolis Colts are my big sleeper to get to the Super Bowl in the AFC. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. That makes me happy. And very much.

Your boy, Chris Foward, right? Yeah, that's good stuff. All right. What are you doing this weekend, by the way? I went jogging yesterday. It's hot in Manhattan Beach. It's too hot, man. I can't play tennis today.

It's way too hot. I've been on a roll with tennis. I'm still waiting for you and your backhand. That's going to overpower me. But, yeah, I think it's just going to be a beach weekend, right? Soak up the 80-degree weather on a nice lawn chair. All right, buddy. Have fun with your family.

You too. I'll see soon. Chris Brousard. Joel Clat, Will Blackman and Jason McIntyre. Indianapolis is interesting. It really, I mean, it'll be a power football team. I mean, they're not going to move the pocket at all. And that's why the Chargers got frustrated.

They want to move the pocket and roll the pocket. You can't with him, but they also have a great offensive line in Indianapolis. I got to see what Phil Berbers has left. I know it's not, I know they had a terrible offensive line with the Chargers. But we did a lot of stuff today. We did. We gave wine advice, marriage advice. Talked about planets.

We talked about planets. Yeah, Pluto got kicked out because it's a dwarf planet. Right. And it's like the kid in the family that's part of the family, but they don't get any inheritance. They did something to tick people off. They weren't committed enough to the family. They're troublesome. They just didn't get any.

You are campaigning against Joel Klatt. I am campaigning against Joe Klatt. Wizard of college football. The president of college football. I love college football. but, and this is just the way sports are. They're run by greedy people. And so sports over time all get diluted.

They all get watered down. Vince Scully said this years ago. He goes, and Vince Scully is kind of the voice of baseball. He said this about 10 years ago. He goes, there are nights I'm at the stadium, and I'm watching AAA baseball teams. You could cut off four of every team in every sport. There's not a single sport. You could cut off 14.

And we could go through it, and the sport, would be more great player. It should be really hard to be a pro athlete. Really, really hard. But increasingly, you're getting baseball. I mean, it still is really hard. No question. But there are times you watch some of these professional leagues and you're like, that's not,

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