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Episode Date: March 11, 2026

In the first episode of ‘4th and South,’ NFL superstars and LSU legends Jarvis Landry and Leonard Fournette react to the big NFL free agency news — Tua Tagovailoa getting released by the Miami Dolphins, Mike Evans leaving the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the San Francisco 49ers, Travis Etienne to the New Orleans Saints, and the big question surrounding Tyreek Hill. Plus, they tell a never-before-told story about Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson and the Atlanta Falcons, along with some great stories about Tom Brady and Lenny's time with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Then they give their very early picks for Super Bowl 61, and discuss the struggles of leaving the game of football. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Please make sure to like, comment, and FOLLOW! Follow 4th and South on social: https://www.instagram.com/4thandsouth/  https://www.tiktok.com/@4thandsouth  https://www.facebook.com/4thandsouth/  https://x.com/4thAndSouthPod  https://www.threads.com/@4thandsouth Follow Jarvis and Leonard on social: https://www.instagram.com/juice_landry/ https://x.com/God_Son80 https://www.instagram.com/leonardfournette/ https://x.com/_fournetteSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Fourth and South. Leonard. My guy. Javis. No, no, no. I'll take that back. D. Javis.

Yes, sir. You see, Louisiana boys born and raised? Yes, sir. Long time coming. How you feeling today, my brother? Man, I'm blessed, man. I'm blessed. Happy to be here with you, man. This is long time coming. Yes, yes. So, for you guys who don't know, this has been a dream for me for about three to four years, right? Yeah. And, you know, timing is everything. I'm happy to be here. They was asking me, who would you want to do it with? I'm like, man, let's be. It's no better person, a guy that I love. That's my guy, Josh Land.

Yeah, man. Yeah. And you know what? I have the same amount of respect for you too. So, like, I remember you posted this on your social media probably, you know, eight months ago, six months ago. Yeah. And I saw it and ironically, I was like, I DM you right away. I was like, yo, if you do do a podcast, let me know.

I'm gonna do it with you, bro. And you hit me in the next day and you was like, let's go. Yeah. And now we're here. So I'm excited, man. Fort this out, man. It's a long time coming. A lot of great stories.

A lot of sports. A lot of, you know, just things that we went through, transitions. A lot of, a lot of guests, special guests that we know you guys are going to love out there. So, you know, we're happy to be a part of this show, how this platform, share this space together, man. I'm excited about it. I cannot wait for you guys to see it. And it's picking on that, man. Let's talk about, you know, we've been.

both played for Florida teams, you know. I won a Super Bowl with Tampa. Y'all see the ring. You know what I'm saying? Listen, listen. Diamond, diamond. I won't brag, but you see the ring now. Yeah.

Unfortunately, you know, my guy couldn't get him one, but I got one for us. That's cold. That's cold. I got one for us. That's cool. You know, embarking on that, let's talk about the tour situation, right? I'm known tour for a while now. I feel like he can still play a little bit.

You know, it depends on he has to be in the right circumstance, the right team. By you being homebred Miami guy who they drafted, you know, what's your thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if there is a right team. I think, you know, I think he has a lot of limitations. I think they try to bring the right coach in. You know, they tried to build a team around them. They went get him some help.

And still, I don't think he was able to get it. job done. And I guess, you know, that's what led to his release. You know, I don't think it's a bad release. I think it's a great decision. You know, whoever the GM is there now, I think he's doing an amazing job. You know, the last GM, he set the franchise back in Vermont, it's a couple of years. I'm just saying, I just feel like he set him back. And, um, but again, he was a, he was a phenomenal player, Alabama. I think the injuries is one of those things that set any great athlete back, right? My next question. Do you think the concussion protocols played a part of him being released or was it such so so much of his talent?

I think it's I think it was the talent. Yeah. I think if we, I think if anybody that is a Miami Dolphin fan has watched Miami games like I have, like we both have, we, we're sports fans and any sports fans have watched Miami Dolphin games. I think we all know that, you know, he's not the guy. And we're just hoping that that, that it happens and it happens. And again, he's a tremendous.

guy, tremendous human being. I've met him a couple of times, right? But I don't know if, and I couldn't play quarterback, to be honest. I could not play. That's why I play receiver for a reason. You know what I mean? But at the same time, you know, when you look at the guys that are leading the league at that position and you look at all of the gifts that they have as a leader,

you know, also as, you know, just their physical gifts, right? Their ability to run the football, the ability to throw the football, right? to not have a Tyreek Hill on their side. Jalen Wado, right? And I think at one time he had Jono Smith as well. You know, it was a great tight end in the league. So I think he had the weapons, man, and I don't want to say his body filled him. I just think that the talent, it just wasn't something that ever really stood out.

Okay, so let's talk about this new trade they did. Yeah. Mr. Malik. I'm not sure what he signed for about. I know it's a lot of money. Yeah, it's breaking news. It's breaking news. To me, he doesn't have enough body work.

Body of work, yeah. Why do you say that? What have he done? I thought he played great in Tennessee. Not great. Not great. I thought he played decent in Tennessee. But he was a backup where?

In Green Bay. In Green Bay. So for me, I'm not going to say nobody never deserved to get paid, right? But you have to at least have something on your resume to get paid. I agree. And is it a right pick? I don't know. I'm not sure at the moment, but I hope it pans out for him.

Yeah, I also think at that position, you know, is a longer shelf life. Yeah. Right. I think he's a young quarterback. Everybody sees the potential. You know, hopefully he's just not another hopeful quarterback right in his league. and I don't know who knows if he gets a shot in Miami like a true shot, but they paid him like he will.

So it'll be exciting to see how that turns out. Obviously, they're losing weapons in the backfield. They're losing weapons on the outside. So it'll be interesting to see. But Green Bay has always been more of a game management type team. You know, even when he took over when Jordan Love got injured this year, he stepped up and did well, but he really managed the game behind a great defense. It did.

So it would be interesting to see what this play actually is about. I'm happy for him. I'm happy you got paid, my boy. For sure. Get all the money you can for sure. So that leads to my next question. Yeah. Mr. Tyreek Hill.

Where does he land? Who right now in the NFL needs Tyreek Hill? The injury is something that you never want to see on the football field. True. Right? And I think everybody's hopeful that he can come back and still be the same cheater that we know and love and, you know. A dog. Man, an animal.

Literally. Literally an animal. Right. Right. So everybody's hopeful for that. And I think wherever he lands, man, no matter the team, if he even had a little bit left, bro, it's going to help a team out, you know, possibly win a championship. I would love to see him go back to Kansas City. Yeah.

Which they just signed our guy over there. Yes. K-9. MVP. Speaking on that, right? You predicted he will be the MVP. I did. Two weeks before that, Seattle and Patriots game.

I did. I might be a profit. Listen, we was on a farm with him. My guy said, you will win MVP. He laughed, you know what I'm saying? You know, I let guys do that thing. I'm like, listen, do it for the ball head fellas. You know what I mean?

Hold it down. Like, I need you out there. So just to see your mind, you almost have like a GM mindset. You call Tua being released. You call Tariq being released, right? And you call K9. winning an MVP. What's going on up there?

That's the real question. Hey, what's going on up there? Man, I don't know. I don't know, bro. I think we nationally watch sports. And I think, you know, you do it as well, right? You know, where you see things happen and sometimes not that it's predicting the future. Obviously, this game is a hard game to play, you know, at any level, you know, to be a professional or be considered one of the best is, you know, it's challenging.

Yeah. Right. But when you look at guys like yourself who've done it at a high level for a long time, we look at other guys in the league who's done it as a whole, and they become the standard. Yeah. Right? And because they're the standard and you see other guys and it's not even close. True.

And that's kind of for me, that's kind of one of the things that I've been able to like recognize and watching a guy maybe four or five times. And I can already kind of tell like what that, oh, he need to get out of that situation. or, you know, they need to bring more weapons in for him or he needs a quarterback from a receiver standpoint, you know what I mean? So, again, man, I don't know. I just feel like I know football enough and I've played at a high level to be able to, you know, to be able to speak with some type of-

To recognize it. Yeah, to recognize it, you know. Nah, for sure. So when you say, you know, you just spoke on about the free agency, right? I never really had a free agency trial in my NFL career. You know, I remember we came off the loss against the Rams, right? And, you know, sometimes you got to do what's best for you, you know, go out there, go venture off and see what's out there, right?

So it's a crazy-ass story. I was in Boston. Yeah. At the table. With the Patriots. With the Patriots. With Billy Check. Come on.

With the old goat, right? So I'm getting texts, you know, my dog, TB. You know T. You know T. Thomas Brady. the homie text me like, where are you at? I'm like, shit, I'm in Boston about the highlight the Patriots.

He's like, man, get your ass from my dad. He's like, you like, what do you want? Huh. We're going to make it happen for you. And he's in Tampa at this time. Yes, he's in Tampa. He's in Tampa at this time. And he called you and said, get back on the plane.

Get back. I'm unretiring. Did he book the plane ticket? Nah, I paid myself, but it's cool, though. Yeah, I'm saying. But let's talk. Talk about free agency. Like, you see...

No, hold on. You can't skip over that. You can't skip over that. So after you left Boston, after you got on the plane. Two days later, I signed back with Tampa. Before Tom Brady ever came out of retirement. Yes.

Because you already knew he was coming out of retirement. Yes. See, that's the Ian Rap Report, Minifornet version that we need more often. That's the version that we're getting on this show right there. Oh, fuck. I'm thinking of it. about it, bro, we have a crazy-ass story.

DeShan Watson. So listen, this young man texted me and said, we have a big play right now. Yeah. So I'm like, well, I'm working out right now. Call me in about 30 minutes so we could discuss this, right?

Yeah. It is me, Mr. Jarvis Landry and DeShan Watson on the phone. On Facebook. On Facebook. Deshawn's like, you know, I'm thinking about going to Atlanta. I'm like, oh shit, that's right there. That's perfect.

Like home. That's perfect. So I'm like, I, well, listen, say, brother, keep us in touch. Let us know what you're going to do. Because, you know, we sign there. You know, I know you kind of went at it with your agent. Like, oh, he signed the money you was going to get. And I was going to go on my agent, if he signed up the money I was going to get.

Yeah. Can you please explain to the people what? happen like how he just he just like i say listen it's it's it's a business so it's about you at the end of the day yeah but he made the decision that was best for him but my man left us high and dry i wanted the crime they should be a rapper huh man how hard tell him the story bro tell him the story you know to be able to walk somebody through here to be able to walk somebody through this situation right it's it's complicated in a way because like you say like you say like Like, you always want people to make decisions based on, you know, their family, their situation, right?

But as men also, we want people to hold up to their word, right? True. So it's, it was a situation where, all right, so look, I get a call one day from a random number. I didn't answer the phone. I get a text. And it was like, yo, it's default. Yeah. And I'm like, default.

Not before L. All right, I'm like, default. So I answer the phone. So I call him back, answer the phone, FaceTime, and it's Deshaun. I think he got one of his, like, quarterback coach or one of his friends in, like, a hotel room or whatever it is. Obviously, at that time, he's hot in the media being that, you know, his case got dropped and, you know, that stuff settled. And his return to the league is, like, is happening, right? So we talked for, like, 15 minutes about Atlanta.

Next thing you know, man, I'm like, yeah, bro, I'm with it. I'm like, I know somebody else that probably would it too, which is you. So I'm like, I think Leonard Frennerner would be with it too. So he was like, well, let's start a group text. So we started a group text. Now, mind you, mind y'all, I'm on the phone at this point for the next like three or four days every day with Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith at the time is the OC head coach there. So he's calling all the plays.

So I'm talking. He's telling me how, you know, he's going to be using me and this and that. the third. So I'm about to get ready to book a flight. I'm talking to my agent. My agent ain't on it too. My agent kind of like, you know, he's like, man, it could be a great play. Deshaun obviously had an amazing career in Houston. For sure. Right. And then, you know, he went through his, went through his things, right? And now he's back. It could be a great opportunity to really get the ball in your hands. There's nothing like having a secure guy for him to throw the ball to, right? So we talk on the phone. I'm like, look, I'm about to book a flight to Atlanta. We even planned where we were going to have dinner at in Atlanta. And I wake up the next day, bags pack at the dough.

Driver coming through the gate. Breaking news. Sean Watson signed Cleveland Browns. $256 million fully guaranteed. I call ASAP. I said, what the fuck? I said, hold up. What did he post to let us know?

Man. Don't get me wrong. I was a little upset with you, but I understand the business side, right? But he did. Text us and apologize. You know, man, I should have better communicated on his behalf and shit. I appreciated that, you know what I'm saying? It meant a lot.

But Atlanta Falcons, what if? Yeah, we're dirty birds. What if? Nah, we would have had a lot of fucking beef with New Orleans. Been perfect. Now, the CEC, I ended up going to New Orleans. I know, but listen, the rivalry between Tampa and the Saints. Yeah.

What was it like for you growing up in that robbery? See, I never was a Saints fan. Why? You're from the city. I was always a 49th fan. I'm a 49th fan until I died. Going through me too. Yes.

So what the, what? Listen, don't judge me. I'm from calm, really? So it's like now. getting to play in that robbery. Yeah. Because, you know, I always seen Mike and Monson fight. I'm like, all right, yeah, yeah, that shit.

Yeah. It might be this, you know what I'm saying? But once you get on the field, they don't fuck with each other. No, I told it. Listen, trust me, I get it, right? I get it. And for the most part, back then, you know, when Drew was there, him and Matt Ryan, that was back and forth all the time.

You know what I mean? About who going to make the playoffs, who going to win the division. Yeah. So it's definitely something that I didn't grow up a saint fan, but the more they won. You go to love it. Yeah, the more I was like, okay, yeah, I like the Saints. I like Drew Brees, you know, Devery Henderson, you know,

all our LSU guys out there playing. But even the time, we played when you, your first year there, that shit was crazy. It was so loud enough. Man, and it was beefing hard. Yeah, oh yeah, we started fighting everything. Yeah. So it's like, that's one of the robberies I love, like, you know what I'm saying?

From me being there and getting to play against my My hometown, my city. No, it's nothing like it. Lennie, you play for two teams. Yeah. I got to know, what team was your favorite? What team, obviously, you won the Super Bowl, so I guess I'm actually a loaded question.

My first year in Jacksonville was probably more memorable playing with those guys, Jailing. But, like, my favorite team of all-time play with it was Tampa. It had to be Tampa, bro. Really? I mean, you won the Super Bowl with these guys. See, it's not the Super Bowl. it's the guys that was in the locker room, right?

Fire. Bro, brother, I swear to God, you had a guy like A-B. Right? He'd come here full Fasci linen suit. It's 7.3rd in the morning. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, man, bitch, just came from the club? You like, you know, you got to look good, play good. I'm like, you're wild.

Yeah. He had the Fasci Cologne. And he was one of the first guys I've seen with the, um, Maserati truck. Oh, yeah. For sure, he had a great one. Killing. So, A, B, coming up, popping it.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But that team, bro, for any young guy who was going through any scenario in life. Yeah. And we used to have something called, like, the sign of talks and everything. Yep.

That was probably the best group of guys to be around, all right? I mean, y'all had great leaders. Y'all, Tom Brady. Listen, I was going through, you know, child support thing. And this earned my, respect from time ready even more yeah he's like yeah man I hate I hate that shit that shit is aggravated like I remember I remember that lock I call mom like look you know I thought I had it bad you know TB or child's so so it's like it's like

damn bro like it's great guys bro it's great guys bro and I had an opportunity and I know people you know give all the praise to TB but one of the two of my best teamers I had Robbie G Big Robbie And La Michael That's what I call Michael I call Michael I call Michael

That was La Michael La Michael La Michael was always the same Yeah La Michael's always the same He loved his community He hates LSU I'm letting you know that now

And it's like There's been with those group of guys bro And I can't forget Sue Sue I play with Sue in Miami You know what I'm saying Sue is like the

he knows everything. Bro, Wild Story, when Sue got traded, I think he got traded to Miami from Detroit. Yeah. And at this time, he was like stepping on people and like kicking people in their head and all kinds of stuff, you know, whatever, whatever. Listen, he's a nice guy.

But he's the best. Yeah. Sue, the best. Literally, one of the best teammates I ever had. And I remember him coming into the facility and he was like quiet and I ain't go live. And he big And I wasn't scared of him

But I was just like Yeah he was like man Should I talk to him Should I say what's up Should I not say what's up He has he has an angry demeanor Bro his aura is very dark Yeah

But he's a good dude I don't know how to explain Like once you know him You know him type of thing But I remember I remember we all working out He never worked out with the team He did his own thing

Bro he did in Tampa He got his own doctors Bike His own trainers He got his own bike. He drank his own water. Like, on his own food. I'm like, damn, like, he ain't trying to be in the system at all.

Big gal, he's doing him. Bro, doing his thing. Then go out on the field and ball, man. Sue is a great leader, man, on and off the field. I had a good time with Sue too, bro. And the crazy thing is when I was in Jacksonville, you know, I called all the protections. Even though we had a quarterback and stuff like that. Mentioner he was still young and figuring it out.

After being out, all right, we're going all right. Filed down him, make him on the mic, make him da-da-da-da. She would like, damn, you call her protection too. Man, you're too good. You didn't get your ass for both. They're going to kill you. And I was like, and now fast forward to going to being on the team with him, bro. He's one of the best guys to be with, bro.

You know what? He had lived a full athlete cycle of like, you know, and, you know, he was bringing Warren Buffett to practice in Miami. Yeah. And I think Warren Buffett and Mr. Ross are like best friends. So it's like, it was like this synergy. there. Like, you know, he leads a practice field.

Bro, he lead a practice field and go have dinner with Warren Buffett. He's connected, bro. Like, why are we supposed to be in film right now, yeah? He's connected. And another guy, I think, who doesn't get enough praise, you know, TB 12, bro. I remember when we was working on Miami, he was asking us like, you know, do y'all get together and throw? Yeah.

I'm like, yeah, we practice at the Yankees baseball team. Yeah. You know, we throw here and there, you know, just to get. The timing right to get back what we need to be. And you asked me like, man, like, how it is working with him? Like, bro, it's great. Like, I told you, like, the year we won a Super Bowl? Yeah.

He knew every fucking thing. Everything. Every fucking thing. When it was happening, before it happened. So we have offensive meeting. Then we got the players meeting. Yeah. Lenny, expect the ball.

I'm going to throw to you like 12 times. Before the game. No, no, this is a Friday. This is a Friday. Oh, my goodness. He let you know what it is. And, man, I always wanted to play with TV, bro. I think it made it much more easy for him because, like, I mean, we're not like how the guys

was at the Patriots, right? Right, right. You know, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they was good, right? It was good. But, you know. Yeah, personality. Yeah, we was talented, right? So we made it easy for him.

Yeah. And I think the, the reason why he respected me so much, I didn't treat him like time break. I treat him like my teammate. Yep. So when I see him, like, especially in the game when he scrambling, I'm like, bro, get your fucking old ass down. Right.

Get the ball somebody. Come on, bro. You get hurt? Right. We done. You get hurt? Who was your backup quarterback, by the way? Blaine.

Blaine. Blaine was, Blaine? Blaine. Gabbardt? Yes. Could throw it. Interesting. Could throw it.

Interesting. So would you still have this ring sitting on this table? If. I don't know. All right. That's all I want to know. I don't know, but Blaine had, has their arm. No, I like Blaine.

in New Orleans. Yeah, he has an arm. So it's like and people love TB soap. Bro, listen, what's his name? Gardner. CJ, C.J. Sauce Garden. No, CJ, yeah, yeah, Garner Johnson. Motherfuckers, so aggravated. Yeah. He's a great player, though. Yeah, yeah.

So, and this is what, like, the Saints and Tampa Beef really started, like, you know, halftime break, we were just sitting there. He'd try to come, he'd try to come talk. And he know, we talked about this probably, probably. a week or two weeks ago we'd talk about this on this on Twitch

you're like man you talk so much shit I said bro we are competing right like and this for everybody we played against

y'all motherfuckers coming to half time whatever commercial break and try to come shake time hand oh oh

I said I just slap the fuck I say bitch move right what's you doing like I just tell Brady don't

don't touch that motherfucker hair like that shit can wait to after the game But it's like, that's what made, I think the Tampa Bay team great. The attitudes, the fights. Lie on line. See, when La Michael go.

No, Mike Evans. La Michael. I talk about La Michael. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, that route, that routs everything up. Yeah. No, he's a dog, bro. He's always, he's always my receiver class.

Yeah. My receiver class. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, man. And the career that he has been having at Temple, I hope everything works out for him, right? I hope that he get paid. I hope he get his money. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor,

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Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band.

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Like, what was the biggest thing that year that kind of like sealed the deal, right? You had a big win. You went off in Green Bay. Was it Green Bay, right? That year was that Green Bay? I think, bro, it's probably week 10, bro. Yeah. Like, we had to dial it in and humble ourselves.

You know, you got a guy like me who came from offense and everything ran through me. Guy like AB. Everything ran through AB in the Steelers. Yep. So it's about just understanding the bigger picture. Y'all had a lot of chest pieces on that on the board, man. So, bro, I suppose it was being in practice, right?

And, like, Tom used to be really frustrated. Like, bro, it's one fucking ball. It's like I got all these motherfuckers. And it's like, I think it was a hard job for them, too, to make everybody happy. Yep. And even during the time, we wasn't a running team. We ran the ball here and there, but we was a passing team first.

Yeah. But it would be games. He'll, like, bro, he'd just be real. Like, Lennie, you, you, you ain't getting his, you're getting this bitch of there. Man. Are you getting it 12 times? I'd be like, fuck, man. Blocking.

Hard hat. But understanding the bigger purpose to winning the championship. Yeah. Bro, he told Mike, Mike, you might get the ball two times this game. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, best receiver. Who the fuck you go through? Right.

You? And I get the ball of 13 catches. Hey, I ain't going to lie. I hated that as a receiver. I hated seeing a running back leave a game with more catches than a receiver. Like, y'all paying us to catch the ball. And we opened. And this man got 12 catches for 28 yards.

But listen, I could honestly say this, right? We played, I can't, I think it was either Miami or Atlanta. I had 17 Emmys. So, look. Hey, get on this. bench. Come, get on this bench over here. You're going to sit next to me until you get it right.

BA put it up, right? We're in a meeting. All my teammates could tell you this. It was 17 of them. And the big, you know, hard nose. Like, look, what the fuck you're doing? Right. Coach, I'm trying to make a play.

You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to make a play. Oh, you went rogue. Did I? Like, fucking Mission Impossible all, though. And it's like. But also some of the shit, like, you know, time I tell me you do.

And, yeah, they don't give me. me in me for because I'm running the wrong route. But he told you on the field. I ain't ratting, you know what I'm saying? I ain't whistleblower. Like, this is my, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, he wasn't covered for you in meetings. I don't care about all that, bro. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. You know, you're gonna find me, you know, you know, you're fucking up. You know, get on your ass. Yeah.

Yeah. I didn't care. Like, my, every, every, every one of my teammates, I don't care. As long as we went, I'm cool. I feel you. And that's what we were on. Well, look, we got some breaking news. Mike Evans just signed with the San Francisco 49ers.

Three-year deal. Don't have all the terms yet. 60Ms at 35, 34? 34 years old. 60Ms. Oh, my God. Hall of Famer. Hey, bro, I think Jerry Wright has something to do with it.

Hey, do you think about the consistent? Hey, listen, hold up. Before we get to Jerry Rice, bro, that's three years six, three year 60. Tampa, why? Why would y'all give this man the option to go explore knowing people are going to want him? Honestly, he was the best thing to happen to Temple. He was a pioneer there. Bro, since the beginning.

He was the face. He was, he was. You know what, my brother, look, I embarked on a free agency journey as well. got released and the whole thing. But at the same time, bro, you're going to get paid. You're going to a new city, start over. You know, hopefully that gives you some more youth, youthness them back, you feel me?

Getting some lighter air, you know, man. And you with the goat up there, you know, who's around. Lynch also, who's the GM there. So I think they treat their players well from everything that I've heard. Brock Purdy, you're a lucky man today, man. Hey, La Michael, first of all, this is a sad day for Tampa

because I know they're going crazy. The fans. Listen, they... But this news is, this is not new news that they were planning to... I know, but, but I didn't think...

That they were actually to let them go? The bucks wanted them. That's why I said, why they gave them a chance to explore. I would have just, I would have just gave them whatever right then and now. Really?

Yes. So you don't think the bucks put themselves in a, in a favor? position to even be able to match the deal that he wanted? Or do you think that, or did Mike Evans say, you know what, Temple, I gave it all?

And I'm done. I think it was time for, it's a new scheme, we knew everything for him. Yeah. Right? I'm happy as, I'm happy as hell for Mike, because he deserves it. Yep. Right? Works his ass off. Don't complain. He understands the football side

and business side. Yep. Right? He's a hard worker. He's a community leader. He, man, bro, he did. He does so much in the community in Tampa. And I know for a fact they would truly miss him, right? I just hate that the Bucks didn't offer him something earlier. Yep. Right out the gate just to stay.

And I'm not sure how the Buc season will go without that young man. Well, I like the young kid that you guys have. Chris Godwin, we'll see what happens there. Right? And I'm afraid they might let go Chris. Just off the strength of why. injury history. I understand that.

You know what I'm saying? And Chris is a great guy. Yeah. But we're talking about business now. Yeah. You know, longevity. You know, you think about the young guy they got now number two. He's all right.

He's nice. Yeah, he's all right. He's right. He's really nice. Ted Johnson? Yeah, we work out together out there. Ted Johnson? No, number two from a hard state.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's nice. We work out together out there in Tampa. Yeah, you know, Morphy's spot my trainer, you know what I'm saying? So it's like. Now, who are you going to get to replace that? Like, Chris is consistent. He holds the record for the most cuts in the game, 17, 16, 18, whatever the case may be.

It's hard, it's hard finding players like that. Yeah, listen, I play with Baker in out in Cleveland. We had me, myself, O'Dell. We had a backfield as well, right? I would say the best thing for Baker, man, is to be able to be able to throw the football, to be able to do play action paths, mix it up, do some different schemes here and there. So it would be interesting to see how they draft.

Maybe that's a sign to tell you what they're going to go after in the draft. There's a couple receivers out there that I know. But, man, Mike Evans, bro. Happy for you, man. Proud of you, bro. La Michael. Hell of a hell of a career so far, man.

Keep that going, man. You and Tay, I think the only two left that's holding it down for the 2014 class, man. So keep going, man. Congratulations, brother. That's when you guys draft it? Yeah, 2014, bro. When I graduated high school.

Damn. Damn. Damn. Hey, brother, time's fly. Yeah, it does fly, man. It does fly. Breaking news, Travis A.T.N. Just signed with the Saints.

How you feel about that? One running back to another. I mean, good for him, you know. Is he, would you consider him top five running back, top ten running back? Like, where is he in your ranking? I'm not sure because I don't watch the game no more, right? You don't watch Jacksonville? No, no, not.

It's nothing against Jacksonville. Right? It's just, and I wish it would have worked out when I was there, right? But I can tell you, man, I had,

this man, I had, a little history, right? We just didn't see eye to eye. You know, he was a great guy, but, you know,

some things just happened. So my year's there. We had a situation, right, in the season. What is this situation? That's a real situation. So,

he wanted me to come back for pictures and I'm about to have my child to be born I'm like, man, listen, bro, I'm not coming back for no day. For a team photos. I'm like, just put me in there. Like, that don't make no sense. Photoshop me.

Facts. All this AI shit going on. Put me in there, brother. Don't do me that. Like, so long story short, come back after I'll buy, whatever. We get back Monday, he say, look, I'm suspending you. Oh, wow. I'm like, I'm like, over a pitcher.

He's like, well, we're not trying to make a little. we're not trying to make no one bigger than no one on this team. Yeah. You know, we're going to hold you accountable. Nobody comes to see you, Otis. So I'm like, all right, cool. So, you know, when you suspended, you're supposed to be at the crib. Yeah.

They made me stay there the whole week, watching practice. So, like, I'm hot now, like. Right. alienated you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But at the time, I was young, you know what I'm saying? That's why I tell a young guy. Every young guy knows that I run into, you handle the business first,

the business side of football. Because it's two different things people don't understand, especially these fans. There's the football side and the business side. So we get into the off-season, you know, we, uh,

I think we're just tanking, bro. We got rid of Jalen, Ramsey, Kalez Campbell, Belie Jackson, Yonik. But we got rid of everybody. So it's like, I posted a meme.

It was, Will Smith in the house Looking at everybody Looking at everybody leaving And I was like, damn, bro No Miles Jack No Telvin Smith Yep

Great players Excellent players And I came back in shape Tip top shape You know what I'm saying And it's so funny That this business could change you Or try to change you

But you know You got to stay true to who you are You know One of the greatest The best owner I've had And the football with Shad Khan, man. He loves his team.

He loves the guys he he picks for Jacksonville. And I'll never forget there. There was a meeting we had Thursday, Thursday night. Yep. You know, went up to his office. He was like, man, how you feel about Doug Maron? I'm like, I'm like, damn.

You know what that mean. So I'm like, there's me being who I am. I've been to Coach Doughouse, met his kids, his family. I'm like, now, keep him. Like keep them Your temperature checked you You say keep them I'm like keep them

Yep He was like why You know I gave my My reason of why But And they kept them So

But when it came to me It kicked my ass of the curve And that shit That shit really made me That shit made me Feel away Like you know

This game Is not loyal to you You know And it almost changed The dynamic Of the guy The person I was raised

Brought up to be And somehow Someway I didn't let it affect me So do you think looking back at it that you handled the situation the right way with, you know, it was your daughter born at that time or...

Shit, one of them. Yeah, right, right. How many kids you got? Got five. Five kids, right? Your son, your daughter was born. You missed team pictures. You came back.

He essentially punished you for it. No, look, this thing. I'm like, all, cool. I'm walking out. He grabbed me on a shoulder. I had the... Hold up, coat. Right.

You put a call zone? I said, I'll fuck with you. Yeah. Yeah, bro. Oh, baby. No, man. Godly. But no, no, right.

And then you went up in there and stood up for him with the GM. Yeah. And next day, next week, two weeks out there, you were. So, you know, I've never experienced that shit. So it's like, shout out to Marcus Pollan. You know, my guy, you know, he's the player's guy over there in Jacksonville. He's on the gate looking, say, like, coach won't talk to you. But I'm thinking, I'm like, I'm thinking.

I'm like, I'm thinking because I made us practice. I did the rally walk. Yep. Black Lives Matter walk. And a lot of guys was complaining, man, we should go protest. I'm like, bro, listen, we did the walk already. Let's go practice. Let's go get better.

Like, we did it. It's over with it. I'm not trying to miss no more days of practice. Right. Like, we got a season coming up. So I made us practice. We took a vote. We voted to practice.

So I'm thinking, that's what he's calling me in leading. Yeah, I'm like, I'm coming out. I'm excited like, you know, yeah, Leonard, we're going to let you go. I'm like, what the fuck? Look, part of me, I want to jump up and kick the fuck out of life. I'm being real. I want to jump up and kick coach, bro, but it's like, now it goes back to watch what you ask for too. Yeah.

I'm seeing all these great guys leaving. I'm like, God, give me out this. Yeah, yeah. But God got me out there in the way I didn't expect. Yeah. So I got released. He said this is Zach where they couldn't find no. no picks for me.

And my mind was bullshit. Right. You know what I'm saying? I had one of the best coaches I've been around, Terry Robisky. Of course. He's one of the first guys of LSU. He was an Atlanta guy too. Yeah, I broke all his records.

Coach, you see this, my bad, bro. I broke all your records of LSU, but it's like, in his heart he felt like they was trying to blackball me. Down. You know what I'm saying? So you left there, right? Did you keep an eye on Jacksonville? Have you been, you know, now, even now?

Like, how do you feel about the program? Do you feel like, obviously, there's a team that drafted you. So you got to have a little bit love. You got something left in the tape for them. I don't really watch them. You don't watch them at all. I don't watch them. Nothing.

Nothing. No, Trevor Lawrence. Nah. Nah, nothing, bro. So it's like I moved on my life. Like, yeah, they drafted me and everything. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, you know, it is a business.

You got to, if you have to grow, you have to go. Yeah. And that's what I did. And I can say, honestly, say, one of my hardest years of football was that's transitioning from Jacksonville to Tampa. Yeah. Because I got released two weeks before the season started. So it's like I had to learn this whole playbook all over again.

And in my mind, I'm still, I was still mad. Like, I'm not starting right now. Yep. You know, and that's the hardest part to understand. Like, you've been a start of your whole life. Yep. To go to plane behind somebody. Bro, I swear to God.

Ronald Jones, bro, my dog. And Ronald knew this. He'll fumble. He was like, oh, about to get in that bitch. I'm about to cut up. He'd bring it for 90. Next play. Brother, I put my, I put the hood over my head crying.

Back to the sideline. I ain't going to never see the field. I'm not going to never see the field. But God worked it out for me, man. Wine to have been a Super Bowl champion that year. You know what I'm saying? Super Bowl champion that year. So I can't complain, man.

Everything happened how was supposed to happen. That's awesome, man. I feel like as your position has involved over the years, right? You see guys like Evan Camara. Christian McCaffrey. We just dropped the news with Travis Atean signing in New Orleans, guys who caught the ball out of the backfield. You caught the ball very well.

In Jacksonville, you always have. Obviously, I feel like you almost damn and led the team in Tampa Bay. Almost. The Super Bowl year, right? So, like, I feel like if you had to, like, rate maybe your best top 10, top five running backs right now, like, who would that be? No order. No order.

No order. Say Kwan. Who's Kwan? So just for people that don't, you know. Mr. Barkley. Yeah, okay. Mr. 2000. Say Kwan Barclay.

Okay. Derek, of course. It's big ass. Yeah. Christian. McCaffrey. Only one Christian I know. CMC.

Yeah. My guy. Same class, too. Who else, man? Yeah, you know, same class. I was number four. Overall, he was number eight overall. Hmm.

Yeah. That's dope. I ain't know that. You know, I was the first person to set out a ball game. I didn't know that, really. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

What was that like? I'm sure you took some heat for that. Oh, definitely. So when I did it, Christian DM me on Twitter, you know, he's like, hey, man, I want to read your mind and let you know.

I say, bro, you want to know why the fuck I'm sitting out? Just say that. Don't come with this Stanford shit to me, I read my mind and everything. And I give my reason. I'm like, man, listen, I got a son.

I got a son of daughter. Yeah. at the time, there's no NIL, so you're not getting paid. So you're going out there free will in every Saturday in Debt Valley playing with a high and low ankle sprain. Yep. And my ticket's already punched.

I had the top five draft pick. They already came. Yep. I'm like, listen, coach, I can't, it's over with. Who was the coach at the time? Was it, Ogeron. Ogeron. O'Jon.

Yeah. I feel like O'Jron, O'J. So I'm sure he was kind of like, I understand. I feel like. Yeah, but he was like, man, it's about the, no, his whole thing. It's about the team.

I'm like, coach, I gave y'all everything I had for these two and a half, three years. Like, we lost, you know what I'm saying? We had a promise in future with all these, we had, bro, we had so many people on that team, so many guys on their team. So it's like, now when you put you first, it was on my ass. Like, when I went into NFL draft meetings and everything for the combine and everything, do you love football? Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

All because you set out. All because I set out. So now, it's like, you see the guys doing it now. I'm a pioneer. Like, I started this. Yeah. What? I started this shit.

And I'm happy for the guys that's making the decision. And in some cases, it's great. Look at Jamar Chase. Yeah. Yeah. Just signed a big contract. Yeah. Who's still going to do tremendous things.

And he's a new all this guy. My brother, you know what I'm saying? Also, LSU guy. You hear a hear of him? Doing his thing. So it's like, in some sense. It makes sense for some guys. Yeah.

And you've got to have a reason why you're doing it. Yeah, I think the college football space has changed so much. And you talked about NIL. I think, like, I think if I had to give you a dollar amount, NIL. What you think? What you think? I'm going to say, like, like, 15 mil. Are my over or under?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't actually got paid. I don't. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Bill Barton said,

ooh-will-will. Right, right. That's some, listen, I don't know, because I value myself, I look at us when we played, half of the kids not there, they, all right.

You know what I'm saying? They, I don't think it would have made it back in the times we played. It was definitely tough. I was just being, it was tougher. You had to be mentally on it.

Yeah, I agree. Right? So, I would say, if they had NIL, when I was playing, I probably would have stayed in college four years. Hmm.

if I'm making $12 to $15 million a year. Right. Right. Yeah. And I'm still, I can still be a kid, a young man. Yeah. You know, I'm mad right now. So, excuse my land, because, be, when you see this.

All the buns around? Like, come on, bro. I'm just being real. Like, I'm being real. You're tricking. You're tricking. What I, what else? Oh, my God.

So, you know. Oh, my God. Back in that, back in them days, you know, It wasn't Chanel. You was getting Michael Coors, MCM. I had a micawks. You know what I'm saying? So, so. Bus down microcourse.

The trigger would have been a little cheaper. Yeah. I spent 800 on you. For sure. Poppin it. This guy. Listen. So, hey, bro.

Like, I tell kids now, bro, enjoy. Yeah. Enjoy being a kid, right? Because, and also, I think NIL is fucking the game up, too. Why? I just feel like, backing out times when, someone was better than you, you cannot leave. You have to be there and you have to stay there and compete with them.

These guys, they're out of there. They're leaving. Yeah, they're out of there. They're leaving. So it's like, but sorry to cut you off. Wouldn't you say that's a business decision? Wouldn't you talking about business and you're talking about sports?

Right. Wouldn't you say it's a business decision if I'm behind Leonard Fernet and I know I'm not about to get in the game until and I ain't got no more red shirt, no nothing. I ain't get in the game. Why would I stay? When I can go play at Old Miss and get... But if he's better, he's better.

That's fine. But understand this. Lennon Frenet. I didn't start the full game. My freshman year, full games at LSU. I had to wait. Yeah, because, I mean, again, like, we talking about LSU. The game of the speed was different.

You're coming from high school to college, picking up blocks. Who the fuck doing that in high school? Not many people. That's what I'm saying. So I think in some sense it's good for certain people. Like you look at Baker Mayfield. Okay. Right?

Yeah. So I just feel like personally you're running away from challenges. And it's not going to help you in the NFL. So I think a prime example that this year was Carson Beck. Right. Right. Carson Beck leaves, I want to say Georgia. But he did great at Georgia.

Right. But then he comes here, first year. Yes. Natty. True. ACC champions True Business decision

Or was it just a football move that He shouldn't have made I'm just saying this right And I'm not saying it was a business decision Or was it a good or bad move I'm just saying it's not going to help you in the NFL Because once you're on that team You can't you're not

All right if he's better than you he's better than you Yeah You have to find ways to compete Find ways to get better Okay I get it I get it so you feel like it's Stripping away the competitive nature, the competitive rise of players. Well, again, you know, the cream always rise to the top. Always.

Either at some point in college or in the NFL, we're going to have that realization. Yeah. And again, I wish them the best. I hope they make as much money as possible in college and in the NFL. But I want to take it back to the ATM thing, signing back in New Orleans. Do you feel like he helps the backfield there? What do you feel like is the Kamar question that everybody is probably going to ask now, right? Is he gone?

Is he staying? How do you feel about that? I don't know. I feel like AK brings a different aspect to the game. Like what? Receiving. To me, he's a better receiving back than E for sure. Have you seen it?

And you've seen when the Saints were at a high level who they went through. Yeah. He went through AK. Yes, he's older now. Do I still think he has gas in the tank? Of course. Yeah. I believe he's fresh.

I believe even if it's not the saints, I know he wants to stay there. Sometimes new looks is better for you. Yeah. Okay. Let's just say hypothetically, you think they make a good one-two punch? Or is a situation where it has to be one and the other? See, I'm old school. Because there's a lot of running backs over there.

Yeah, I'm old school. So you got to ask AK that. I'm going to ask AK that. Yeah, we got to bring him on a show. Yeah, I'm going to bring out of bring him on a show. AKA, if you look it, man. I know you're training in Florida, man, somewhere with Swayzey right now. We need to get you on the show, man, so we can hear what you're thinking, what your plans is, maybe break some news.

For sure. But selfishly, I'm speaking for me. Yeah. And I know the game has changed. I've always been a guy that took the load. When I was Jacksonville, I played 96% of the time. Hey, you got to pause that, man. I ain't going to lie.

That's the first one of the show, ladies and gentlemen. That's the first pause of. the 2026 4th and South show. You all see where this fucking man. Man, you're going to take the what? All right, all right. The workload.

That's better? Man, what kind of work? The workload on the fucking field, it's 2026. Now, we got to be, I know we got all kind of AI tools out there. See, bro. My train is going to see this, bro.

Why are you doing all this? I just heard load now. Stop. And I stopped me and everything. But now, I think just the workload on offense, right? I played 90, 8% of the snaps. Yeah. And sometimes you do feel it.

You do feel the, it's a long season. Yeah, it's a long season. Yeah, it's a long season, right? So the dynamic of the game has changed so much, like, you do need two backs. Okay. Right? So I believe they'll work well because E is, you know, he's like a power back. Yep.

You know, a. A.K. Finesse, you know, like, he's elusive, catching the ball, getting out of the backfield. So I hope he works out in their favor. So would you rate this pickup, a, B, C? I give it a... I'll give it a... They do have a young quarterback. I know, that's what I'm saying.

I'll probably give it a C. A C or B. Man, that ain't good. Right, you got a good thing like the line, the young quarterback, like... But that's why you're bringing a running back. But it's different, though. Help you manage the game. But understand this, though.

Receiver. Yeah. Y'all depend on one person. Quarterback. That's true. And he's young. Running back. We depend on what?

The old line. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Again, I don't know how it works out. I think it's a good pick. I'm going to give it a B plus. Yeah.

And if they decide to keep Alave, which I've seen some rumors, that they have Alave also on the trading block. I don't think they can afford to lose Alave. But at the same time, if they're going to continue this tanking ship, you know what I mean? I mean, I get as many picks as y'all can to put the city back on top, please. Shout to the Saints, baby. Please. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what?

We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, a wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas? guys. I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it and... Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early

names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas.

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AFC I got to go with Kansas City right Kenny Walker running back I think my homeless are going to come back

with vengeance Andy Reed is a great coach right first time in the last couple of years they had a bad season Travis Kelsey came back

yeah hey brother sky's the limit for that squad writing in the wall over there sounds like what about NFC NFC champion

The Rams. The Rams. The Rams. There's Darkhurst over there. Stafford. Mr. No Look. I understand. I don't know if Devante's going to sign back, which I think he is.

I think he is. They're going to do right by him. Runnerback is right. Williams, 23. They have a lot going on over there. I don't know. They had their hands full last year with Seattle. So moving on.

Super Bowl champion. We got them winning it all next year. I think Pat Mahomes, I'm telling you, mark my words. I think Pac's going to come back and do his thing, man. All right, so we got your NFC pick. We have your AFC pick, even your Super Bowl prediction. What's Lenny's Long Shot? Lenny's Long Shot is the Chicago Bears.

Why? The quarterback talent they have there, the young guys at Y Receiver. The coach, Coach Johnson, I think, is going to be turning a lot of his this year. He had a great season last year. He did. I think the organization is turning around. You know, they're finding ways to keep their key guys and also who's ever over there that's drafting, drafts some hell of a picks.

So my long shot is the Chicago Bears. And that's Lenny's Locke, sponsored by Harrog Bet. You're talking about releasing? Kyle Murray. Ah. I had an opportunity to meet him one time in L.A. Yeah. A cool, cool dude, man.

He's very quiet. He's a gamer, too. He like played video games a lot. He picked all the dude like me. Yeah. He's definitely called a duty guy, but I didn't realize how short he was. Oh, he's short. He's like five, four, five, five, five, six, six, seven.

And I'm just trying to just, six, seven. Shout out to my kids, six, seven. And just, bro, just think about that, bro. And I play with quarterbacks who are a lot taller and things like that. And I know he got released. Do you think that played a big part on his release, like his height, like, And I know he's a scramble, you know what I'm saying? And he's fast as hell, but you got to have more than that.

Yeah, listen, he created some magic out in Arizona. Boy, listen, I love what you did with D. Hop. You know, I think the time, I think the clock just ran out. I think he has a lot of talent, extremely talented. Him and Cliff Kingsbury, I think, at the time we're dolling it up, you know. And it's just like any marriage, right? Yeah. Like in the NFL, when your OC leaves or your quarterback coach leaves, you know,

you kind of start to see the chinks in the armor, right? When somebody else has to step in and call plays and get to know you again. And I think it's tougher at that position, right, to kind of build that rapport with someone else. But I think he had a great career. I do think – Yeah, it's over with? It's not over with. It's not over with it.

Well, damn. That's how you speak, man. How are you speaking? Let me finish. I think he's had a great career so far. I just think that you're right. I think the era of the undersized quarterback, right, even though they have mobility,

it's something that's like we've seen kind of like leave the game a little bit, right? Everybody's looking for the bigger arm, which he has a great arm, right? But looking for the prototype, you know, the Mendoza kid out of Indiana, right? I think he's a... I love him.

Love him. Right? And we'll get to that. But I think just... That's something that we're starting to see that is just kind of like leaving the game, right? And I hope he gets picked up by a good team. Even if, you know, he's a backup for another couple of years, I think he's a smart enough player. I think you can still make plays around the league.

I don't know if he gets your championship. And if teams are looking at it that way, then I don't know who picks him up or when he gets picked up. You know what I mean? And, you know, for me, you know, I was a two-sport athlete, right? It makes me think should he should have stayed with baseball? No. I think he's had a, I think he's had a great career. I honestly think he's had a great career. I think he's, I think he's, you know, he hasn't had a costing Palmer type of career, right? He hasn't had a Larry Fitzgerald moment in Arizona, right? But I think he still is someone that, that gave Arizona a push of surge of energy. Right? They, they had some great years. I think the clock just ran out on him. I'm, uh, and I hope, I'm hopeful that he, He'll still be around. I think there's some quarterback openings.

I would love to see him here in Miami, right? I love to see him maybe in New York. Obviously, they got the first pick so we know where that's going. But here in Miami, say if that does happen. And obviously, they pick their guy who they want it. Do you think would he be willing to be a number two? Or they're going to let them compete for it? I don't think no quarterback of his caliber.

and what he's done in the league, probably would go to a team where he essentially has to, like, compete, you know, like in at a high, not at a high level, but at that perspective of, like. Well, what options do you have right now? You aim, and maybe you're right. Maybe this won't, maybe I'm really wrong about it, but I think he's a guy that is a day one starter still in the league, right?

It's just about the fit. And I don't know if there's too many out there, you know? So if I'm him, I'll wait and see. You're not about to get paid a lot, man. Go to the best situation you can get, bro. With some good receivers, you know, so you can add that thing out like you used to. All right, ma'all. So let's talk about, bro, talk about the transition outside of football.

I know for me it was hard as hell, right? That's why I kind of had the fallback off NFL. You know, you're watching guys, fumble the ball, knowing that, you know, drop the ball. You could be out there handling your business, but you don't get that opportunity. You know, just tell me the dynamic of how it changed from you from plan to not plan. Yeah, man, it changed everything.

You know, as an athlete, both of us, as competitors, as an athlete, all of us out there, right? That's competitors, right, that had dreams, aspirations, right? When those things are no longer in front of you, you know, you got to figure out, like, what's next? And for some of us, unfortunately, it takes longer than others, right? But at the same time, man, it was a tough two years. It's been a, it was a tough two years for me. You know what I mean? And I'm really grateful for, you know, the support system that I've had around me.

Grateful for you, you know, as a brother, right? All of the late night talks, face times. You know what I mean? I can still remember you coming to the house when you came out here to Florida one time. And you came to the house and we just chopped it up in the driveway for like 30 minutes, you know what I'm saying? You can't pass on me. And I was like, damn, man.

And from there, we kind of just kind of been building. But those two years were tough, man, trying to figure yourself out, trying to get out into the real world, right? Where, you know, the club is not handling everything for you. You know, you're not dedicating 16, 18 hours a day to your craft, you know? So it was tough, man. I know you could speak on it as well. Yeah, for me, man, it was so different from me because I was still young, you know? And it was very hard for them.

I'm not having going to sit in a lot. You see guys that you know you're better than, you know, they still get an opportunity, still getting chances to play. And, bro, I tell you a funny-ass... It's not much funny. This shit makes you cry, right? Bro, I was working out, right?

And that was my workout. I used to run, like, a whole lap just to warm up. Bro, a nigger cried a whole lap. I cried the whole lap running like, damn, like this accent guy, like, man, make me... Like, find my purpose. it's not football no more, like, just help me, right?

And you know how it is. You go from when you plan, you gain multiple phone calls every day. Oh, brother, we're going to come out to da-da-da-da-da. We need tickets, da-da-da-da to nobody's calling you at all. Yeah. Right? And I don't care what nobody's saying. I think everyone has went through a depression state in their life.

Yep. Everyone. I've did it. Me too. I'm talking about, you know, getting up out of the bed, two o'clock in the morning going to take a ride and cry in a car.

You know what I'm saying? Because like, what is there when you dedicated your whole life to a sport? And now you can't even do it anymore, right?

And usually when you have life problems, football is the getaway. Now you got life problems and fucking football problems. So it's like the shit is two times harder, right? So I just think me personally,

it was the that was the best happened for me. Yeah. To, to God to take that away from me. Because I had to understand, it's the crazy thing.

You go from, like, chasing a dream of loving football to, like, now it's like, all right, the money. Yeah. Like, everything about the fucking money.

And it's like, and I hate that the game kind of took it away from everything, right? You go from my own, like, I'm trying to get paid to, like, where,

man, it's my dream job. And you get to do it every day. Every day, right? And I think you kind of misconstrued and you messed up that whole concept, right? And, you know, just speaking on depression, right, you see a lot of young guys losing their lives. Yep. Like, a few this year.

Yeah. A few this year. And if you're going through something, brother, just understand. You have family and friends that love you. Just talk to them. Just talk to them. You're not in this battle by yourself. I know several times what I felt like I was going through my situation and I felt like nobody

understand me, right? Because, you know, we're kind of breaking the generation curses in our family. Yeah. Millions of dollars, millions of dollars. And we're like the lines, you know, that everyone called upon when they have issues, but who can we call on when we have our issues, right? I just think I put everything into sports, right? Analysis-wise.

And when I say that, that type of adversity is hard. Right? And you kind of miss out on your blessings when you're thinking about, oh, this could have happened. Right. Oh, I should have did this.

Right. Everything is going to play out as opposed to play out. You're not in control. You're not in control. You're not in control. Right. Everyone goes through their trials. And the reason why we didn't start this podcast sooner because I was living wrong.

I don't think people could, I could admit to that. I could admit to that, right? You can hinder your own blessings. So by me fucking off, fucking around, you know. Because guess what, when you ordained, you know what I'm saying? When you favor it, bro, you can't do worldly things like everybody else do. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? The punishment is 10 times harsh. Would you say that the biggest part, one of the biggest parts of maybe leaving the game, right? Right, is like losing a routine. Yes. Like losing the routine of... Wake up in the morning. Being around your brothers.

And that's another thing. Being around a group of guys that understand you, right? Who went through the same routine as you. Yep. You know, that can... Like, you miss those fucking locker room talks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, real shit. Like, that's the shit you miss and some shit you just can't get back. Yeah. And me personally... When I think about adversity and life, and like I said, now refrain everything to football, when life get hard, right? And especially when you're trying to do right, it's hard doing the right thing every day. Yeah.

Like, we was on Bible study last week, you know, last Wednesday, bro, it's hard doing the right thing every single day. Yeah. And don't let it fool you. Like, you have your days where, like, the devil attest you. Yeah. You know, to have you going. Going back to thinking that was the right thing to do. He tried every day.

But listen, he's not going to come one, two, three. He's going to come 20 times to stop you from reaching your destination. And I go back to football turns. I always tell people this. I told it to my mother other day. I think of that type of strategy the devil uses, it's like football turns. You know why you finally bother to reach your destination? You're in the rear zone.

You're about to score a touchdown. Right. You said I should get harder, get tighter, the devil. defenses, that's what the devil do. Right. In my heart, the devil ain't want me here talking about this. If I would have kept living the way I was doing, this would never, ever, ever happen. So I had to align myself and do right, you know, not just for myself, my kids, like, my family.

This is a big example for my sons. That legacy. You know what I'm saying? And recently I just got married. It's one of the one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the. Yes, sir. One of the biggest steps I took and I had to do it, right? You know, I've been on my girl since 10th grade in high school.

Yeah. And, you know, I didn't live my life. I didn't did the crazy things, you know what I'm saying? College, phenom, high school, phenom, NFL. It's time. Yeah. It's time. It's time to live right, little righteous.

And just to understand, our purpose is bigger than football. I want you to understand it. Our purpose is way bigger than football. Yes, football opened up a lot of doors for us. Yep. Right? And this is why I'm proud to be here on Fourth and South with you because I know the things you were going through similar to me

of back finding yourself almost losing ourselves over a game. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, it's just a game. Yeah, it's just a game. That game was life to us, though. And that's the part of it that made us great. But to all that, I'll say this to you, man.

I have a deep admiration for how you've, handle this process, how you've, you know, stood up for your family, right? Become a better man. Continue to walk in your faith, right? You know, you are a testimony to many of us out there beyond the screen, right? And I think that this show will allow you to highlight that and use the light that God has blessed you with to be able to inspire more people, right? We talked about guys that unfortunately no longer hear with us, right?

And I think your story, stories like the one that you just told, right? And the ones that you will tell throughout the show, right, are the stories that are going to be, you know, the sparks to really bind the brotherhood together. Because, you know, it's nothing like those locker room conversations. It's nothing like, you know, it's nothing like, you know, you spending 18, 12, 14 hours with your guy. More time than you spend with your family. For sure. More time than you spend your family.

They become your family. They become your family, right? So, man, look, I'm proud of you, man. I know I've told you this multiple times. So I guess I'm getting the chance to tell you now on camera, bro. But I'm extremely proud of you, man. You are an example for a lot of us, even myself. I know I'm older than you.

But at the same time, man, seeing you not just talk it but walk it every day, it means a lot to a lot of people, man. So just know that we're proud of you. We love you. And we always hear. here for you. You know, listen, like, this is what this show is about. Yeah. You know, it's about, you know, offering wisdom, you know, talking about our transition, helping people out there behind on the other side, right? Yeah. Figure out how they can, you know, maneuver through this

crazy world that we live in, right? I'm just so blessed that I get a chance to do it with you, my brother, like, for sure. And also, let's pick it up on that, you know, DFQ. Don't fucking quit. Don't fucking quit. Don't fucking quit. Like, Say if I gave up, you know, and still living a life I was living, we wouldn't be here. I didn't give up. I didn't quit. And this is what the show about, 4th and South, two guys from Louisiana, from the South, through and through. Who understands, who went to adversity.

Yes, sir. Brothers, fathers, you know what I'm saying? Oncals. Yeah. You know, we everything. Everything in one. Yeah. Guys playing.

God's plan. This is what the show about, man. And I appreciate everybody who's going to stay tuned. Make sure subscribe. Like, click, follow. What else? What else? Donate.

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