The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NFL draft, Bengals-Dolphins, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady

Episode Date: April 1, 2020

Colin explains why he approves of the NFL still having their draft, his thoughts on the possible trade between the Bengals and the Dolphins, why Bill Belichick isn't interested in Cam Newton, and his thoughts on Tom Brady's father commenting on Tom leaving the Patriots. Guests include Nick Wright, Bill Simmons, and Greg Jennings. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm doing good. I want to start with, to me, I look for leadership in crisis, and it's not just leadership, but I look for strength and optimism. The NFL came out and said, yes, we're going to have a season. We're planning for it. Full steam ahead. And I like that over Doomsday. They're not seeking perfection.

We are out of the perfection business. There's a very interesting guy in the internet, probably the smartest person I've heard talk about this virus. Michael J. Ryan, he's a doctor. He used to be the executive director of health emergencies for the World Health Organization. He dealt with Ebola, far more deadly than this virus. And he said the most important lesson he learned, don't let perfection get in the way of speed.

Move, attack, be a great. You can't just run and hide from stuff, and you can't worry about perfection. The NFL's not worrying about perfection. They're not worried about optics. They don't care about Twitter. Twitter seeks perfection. Everybody's a genius on Twitter. If you misspell a word, you're a bum.

That's not real life. Real life is we misspeak. We have opinions. Sometimes we're wrong. Sometimes we're offensive. That's real life. And with this virus, you can't seek perfection. The NFL's not.

the free agency people criticized it the optics NFL said we can't worry about optics we got to worry about business they did it and it was a huge hit and they're also going to go on with the draft which they should listen part of this is the NFL got a big break it falls out of season I mean if you can get a break with this it's it's during the baseball and the NBA season so they're going to get to watch people in other leagues and other smart leaders Adam silver Rob Banffred the NMLS NHL, kind of watch them navigate it, and they're probably going to find positions they like, and some mistakes they'll avoid. But what they're doing with free agency is strength over doomsday.

What they're doing with the draft is strength and optimism over doomsday. What they're going to do with the season right now, stop talking about canceling the season. It's absurd. The free agency period was a home run. It made people happy. The draft is the most optimistic five, six, seven-day stretch the NFL. season has. If you don't understand the psychological ramifications of 15% unemployment, forget now. What about in six months? Unemployment. Losing jobs has a very impactful

negative psychological ramification. You're seeing domestic violence cases spike during this. Kids getting in situations that are devastating physically because of frustrated parents. Optimism matters. The NFL drafts. is the only five to six days of the year on the NFL calendar that nobody loses. Everybody wins. Chicago wins. Tampa Bay wins. Philadelphia wins.

Seattle wins. Green Bay wins. There's no whiffs for five days. Even though 30% of the players will whiff or underachieve, Bears fans really believe that fifth round linebacker is going to win the division. It's optimistic. It's based on hope. it's incredibly impactful and incredibly powerful.

And we need that right now. You can't just hide and run from stuff like this. You have to manage it. Now, I think social distancing is showing positive effects, and I am all for it. California was the first in on it, and we're seeing some real benefits from it. So I believe in social distancing.

But I also believe the economy matters, and unemployment's scary, and the psychological effects on, you know, children matter. So you have to just figure out how to manage it, not hide from it for the next eight months. And the NFL is saying, listen, free agency is a phone business. We're going to do it. The draft is 95% of it's a phone business. We're going to do it.

You can be socially isolated and do that stuff. It matters. It's amazing to me that people are offended at some sort of moral outrage to acknowledge we not only have a health crisis, A, but B, we have an economic crisis. very, very soon, if not now. It's real. It's not immoral to acknowledge that. It's not immoral to acknowledge the psychological benefits of turning on a television for five days and feeling great about yourself and being distracted and getting off your phone. I mean, I'll give you a great example. Hollywood right now is mostly shut down. I don't think Hollywood's ever been more valuable to America. I mean, you can be an actor and sit on, you know, social media all day and crap on our government.

government, go for it. But I am seeing the funniest comedians, the most brilliant singers. I'm watching Hollywood flourish. Hollywood is a huge benefit right now to America. I'm sitting home last night watching stand-up comedy routines, watching documentaries that make me feel good and distract me. If you don't see the benefit, I know you conservatives don't like all those liberals in Hollywood. I get it. They are helping me get through it. Singers, songwriters, artists, celebrities. They're funny. They're creative. That's why they're not accountants. They're getting us through this. If you don't think there's an advantage to what the singers out there and the songwriters and the artists and the comedians are doing, you're out of your mind. I can't help you.

They have huge impact right now. This is not just a physical dimension. There is a psychological ramification. There is an emotional ramification. And there's an economic ramification. I'm not going to put them in any order, obviously getting through this virus, which is really, really punitive on people 70 years or older with underlying medical conditions. But the draft is nothing but hope. You know, people laugh at me all the time. I've known guys for years are like, you're so into the draft. You're such a draft dork. And I'm like, it makes me feel good.

I'm a guy. I like architecture. I like building stuff. And I like recruiting. And part of it, recruiting makes me feel good. if my favorite teams get players. And the draft makes me feel good. You're telling me, in three weeks, we couldn't use four days of feeling good.

Fantasy, hope. Not concrete evidence your team's going to be good, but a little positive influence on all of us. The USA needs it. We need it. We need Hollywood right now. I don't care what political party you're in. We need dancers and songwriters and comedians and actors and funny people. John Legend, get on Twitter and do something smart and funny, and David Spade and all the comedians that make me laugh.

I mean, people can sit around crap on the government, but entertainers, just the word, entertainers, the entertainment industry. There's a responsibility to me at some level to do it, and you're great at it, and I am pro-draft, anti-doomsday, we'll get through it, and I think the psychology of the draft is clearly a benefit for people. really, really do. I know as a fan, it's one of my favorite times of the year because nobody loses. The Bears win, the Packers win, the Vikings win and the Lions win. All of them in NFC North. They all win. The Browns win. The Bengals are rarely happy. They're going to be so happy in Cincinnati on draft weekend. The whole city's got, we got the next great player. We got the next Brady. Bad teams feel good about themselves. Lousy fan bases feel good about the Jacksonville will feel great about itself. All right, so there's my rant to the day to start.

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the BS podcast, Bill Simmons podcast. So here's a story that's not going to happen, but it's being reported. And I'm not, the Miami Herald continues to report this. The Dolphins are trying to get the number one pick from Cincinnati. for a bunch of draft picks. I would be, I'm very rarely shocked in sports.

I've said this before. I read Andre Agassiz's book, he did meth. Shocked me. That's one of those, O.J. Simpson's on the freeway running from police. Not going to lie, head spinner. Not shocked a lot in sports. I'd be shocked if Cincinnati moved off this.

So let me just say that. I tend to be, I think, aggressive wins. But Cincinnati is kind of trapped here. And so I think it's incredibly unfair for me to say Cincinnati have some guts and at least not provide some context. Beyond the fact that Joe Burrow is from Ohio, and that's a big part of this, beyond the fact that he was the college football story of the year and can sell tickets, and that's a huge part of this.

If you trade Joe Burrow to a better situation, he's going to win immediately because he's a very good B plus prospect. I don't think he's an A plus prospect like everybody else, but I think he's a very, very good B plus prospect, who have given a very solid coach and a lot of good pieces and a reasonable division can win now. Absolutely. We've seen that. I mean, Kyler Murray didn't win a lot last year.

If you put Kyler Murray on Baltimore and put Lamar Jackson on Arizona, Kyler Murray would be winning a lot of games right now. We know that where you land matters. I think Miami's a better situation than Cincinnati. First of all, they've got momentum. They won five of their last nine games. Secondly, they have a much easier division. Brady's gone.

The Jets are still the Jets. Third, Miami's got a defensive head coach. I think they have a better head coach than Cincinnati. And I think he did a great job to shore up the weakness of the team corner. And linebacker. He shored it up in free agency. Now they're going to go heavy to offense. And so there's a lot of things.

And that division strength matters. So if you're the Cincinnati Bengals and you trade. Joe Burrell for seven picks, which I've argued you should do, he's going to go to Miami with all those already good receivers. It's the one part of the team that's good, wide receivers. And you put Joe Burrow with an improved defense, those wide receivers, and they use all these picks to upgrade running backs and O line. He's going to win seven, eight, nine, ten games. He's a good prospect. Good prospects into good spots win games. Carson Wentz was a really good prospect. Philadelphia is a well-run organization. Didn't take long for him to win games.

Russell Wilson, went to Pete Carroll. Smart guy, John Schneider. What do you know? First year, won games. Deshawn Watson, surrounded by good offensive pieces. Don't always love the Texans, but won games. Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid. Sat one year. Next year, one games. So if you trade Joe Burrow and your Cincinnati, you're almost guaranteed to be trading him to a better situation. I mean, outside of Jacksonville, what's not better than Cincinnati, having to face the Ravens twice, the Steelers twice, and that Brown's filthy roster twice? So, and the other thing is, it's different than moving off Peyton Manning knowing he's going to win somewhere else. Because the Colts had a Super Bowl and division titles, so they had equity with their fans.

When the Colts, which I argued needed to move off Peyton Manning, they already had equity built up. when the Packers moved off Brett Farr. They had equity in a Super Bowl and division titles built up. Take the New Orleans Saints. So Joe Burrell was a star at LSU. Down the street, hour drive from New Orleans, Baton Rouge. If the Saints had somehow been able to get the number one pick this year, let's say, you know, they worked a trade a year ago,

and they had the number one pick. And they passed on Joe Burrow. They have equity. fans in New Orleans would be like, oh, I love Joe Burrow, but our guys win Super Bowls. They win division titles, and they know what they're doing with quarterbacks, and I'm okay with it. We got eight picks.

We're going to dominate the division forever. But there's no equity in Cincinnati. They finish third and fourth every year. They don't have the great ownership. They don't have the great front officer scouting department, so they have no equity built in. So if you have no equity built in, and then you move off the local kid and he wins elsewhere,

you're going to get crushed. It's just a PR tsunami you'll never overcome. The reason the NFL can have the draft in free agency is they have so much equity built in from fans that we like the NFL. They've made us happy. Sometimes we bet the games. They've made us money. They have equity built in. So if they do free agency and get some blowback, they've got a lot of equity in it.

The Colts would pay in that equity. The Saints would Drew Brees have equity. By the way, you know, if New England this year decides to get really young and experiment, and loses 10 games. They've got equity. Bengals have none. Zero. So the idea of letting somebody like Burrough go where he'll flourish initially,

it's just a PR mess that I can understand Cincinnati doesn't want to get into. I get it. I would, eight picks, I'd move him. But it's unfair for me to criticize Cincinnati and not at least add, you know, some context to it. local kid had the great year, we'll sell tickets, and everywhere we move him would probably be a better situation than us

and he'll win immediately and we don't want the blowback. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. James Winston got a lot of criticism for throwing a league leading 30 interceptions last season, which is fair.

But, Bucks receiver Chris Godwin, supports his former quarterback and says all of those picks weren't James's fault? I definitely think he got more of the blame than he deserved. Like I said, I think he's a really, really talented quarterback. Obviously, there's some things that he does at, like, you can't teach. You know, and there's some plays that he made that just, it's more smart plays. But a lot of the interceptions and the mistakes that he made, I would say, like, at least half of them were because of a bad read on somebody else's part.

You know what I mean? And the great thing about him is he's not going to go up there. He's not going to throw anybody under the bus. You know, he's going to own up until he's going to take it. and he's going to be a leader. And like I said, like there's respect to that. That sounds good, but he's been a big interception guy every year of his career. Right.

So it would be one thing if it was an outlier, like, oh, my God, he throws nine picks a year, and now he had 30. But he also had seven pick sixes. So, yeah. Right. And that's at least 42 points for the other team. In the NFL where games are decided by four, that's like 10, that's 10 games potentially. Right.

And look, neither one of us have watched the tape or broken it down to see. if what Godwin is saying is accurate and it really was somebody else's fault. But the numbers speak for themselves, like you said. And it's what you are, what you are. Like, it's consistent. And I think both of us kind of went into this season. And really since Bruce Ariens got there, like, if Bruce Ariens can't turn James Winston around,

then it kind of is what it is. And we know what James is. And he's had his opportunity in the league with a team to be the face of a team and show what he can do. And I don't think that James is done, obviously, but I just don't think he's consistent enough and makes smart enough plays to build your franchise around. And I wasn't a big fan of James coming into the league.

I felt like him and Marriota were kind of, I don't want to say overrated, but I just didn't love either one of them. And now we know what Mariotta is as well. Yeah, by the way, so Tennessee, this league's a copycat league, Joey. Tennessee moves off Marioota and has a great ear. So you don't think Tampa's looking at that. I mean, this league copies each other going, you know, they came out in the same class.

They've both been good at times, but kind of disappointing. And they moved off their guy and got way better. I think that's how this league thinks. I don't think the NBA is a copycat league. I think people do their own thing. It's individualistic. There's a lot of GMs that go one way. GMs go the other.

But in the NFL, if you have two quarterbacks, Mario da and James come in the same draft, one team moves off theirs finally and has a great year. Tampa's reading the newspapers. They're seeing that going Brady, James, we're going to make a move here. Right. Now, where he ends up will be interesting. I actually

think he will end up with the Jaguars who have the best odds of plus 225. And the dolphins plus 375. Yeah. I don't see him going there. Saints plus 375. Broncos plus 600, maybe. Jacksonville. And the Steelers have been thrown out there a lot, plus 600. But they denied it yesterday.

Steeler said it's not going to happen. Jacksonville makes a ton of sense. I mean, seriously, that would give them two people in Gardner, Monshu, and James. I don't have to love either, but they've both shown an ability to win games and be productive. Like, that's good enough until you get the right guy next year. Right. And you don't have to make a big commitment to him, all odds provided by Foxbat. So two unnamed Lakers players were tested positive for coronavirus after the NBA season was suspended.

The entire team was sent into a 14-day home isolation. period because of those results. The players have now completed their quarantine and the team says everyone is symptom-free, but they will continue to follow the stay-at-home order. So some good news from, you know, the Lakers that everyone is healthy right now and staying home. And they're managing the crisis.

This is what they're doing. They had a little crisis. They managed it. I say this again, we're not going to hide in our homes forever. We can't run from everything. I think social distancing through April is really smart and I'm adhering to it. But the NBA, it's not immoral for them to consider bringing the season back. The Lakers are a prime example.

Utah Jazz. Oh, we got a little crisis here. Let's quarantine. I mean, this is, I like people who can manage problems, not complain about them. And the NBA is managing their way through this. Well, the NBA, like everyone else, is dealing with the same exact thing. Everyone in the world is dealing with this same exact situation. So staying on top of it and having a plan, at least for your organization and, you know, your league is very important right now.

There's no need to panic, like we always say. We know what we need to do. So just follow the rules, and this is all temporary. So Washington has the second pick in the draft, as we know, while most believe they will select Chase Young. There's been some speculation that they could be interested in Tua instead. But former Washington quarterback Joe Thaisman firmly believes that Young should be the pick, and they should pass on Tua. Without hesitation, I take Chase Young for a couple of reasons.

First of all, I think he's the best player in the draft. And there's an old adage when it comes to taking the best player in the draft. You know, he's not a generational quarterly, okay? I think so, but Tua is not. I'm not sold on the strength of his arm. Joe Thaisman is kind of like the unofficial spokesman. For Washington? For Washington.

Well, Chase Young probably is the one lock in the draft. Like everybody knows he's going to work. He's one of those guys. It doesn't matter where he goes. He goes. He goes to Cincinnati. He works. So, you know, I think we've had a really good run in the last like four or five years of really,

really good pass rushers. It kind of started with Khalil Mack. And Chase Young seems like a lot of them come from Ohio State. Chase Young looks like to me, there's about five guys in the draft that I know will be stars. He's at the top of the list. Yeah. I mean, everyone agrees that Chase Young is the best prospect at any position. He's the best player in the draft.

But there's so many teams that need quarterbacks. You can't just take Chase Young if you need a franchise quarterback. So we know that. So I do think he's right. They are going to give Haskins another year. I don't necessarily know that I'd give Haskins another year. But if you don't necessarily believe in Tua, then this is the move to make. And then you see what you have with Haskins and you'll get another high draft pick next year.

But they're also in a situation where they have a new coach who has some time to kind of work things out. They're not up against it. He's not worried about losing his job, Rom Rivera. So he has a little space to try and figure out what he wants to do. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News.

Nick Wright co-host, First Things First, is going to join me, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. So he has all worked up. Nick has all worked up. So Tom Brady's been wearing number 12 forever, and it's one of those iconic like Derek Jeter number two that you just, you know, Tom Brady, comes to your team and Chris Godwin, where's number 12? And it's one of those things in life.

It's unspoken. You don't have to be told, oh, you go out with your wife, pull the chair out, let her sit down, let her order first. You don't have to, nobody has to say that. We all understand that. Similarly, when Tom Brady comes to your team, you give him your number. That is not what Nick Wright believes to be true. Nick, I, you're fired up on this, I'm told. Well, listen, let me take your unspoken rules a step further. When you and I go to dinner together, it's not discussed, but it's unspoken and understood. You're picking up the check. And so when Tom Brady, who's made nearly a quarter of a billion dollars in the NFL comes to a team,

and the guy who has his number has made a shade over $2 million is a third round pick on his rookie contract, you're right. It is unspoken. Brady's getting the number. And it's also unspoken. Godwin is a brand, is getting a brand new top of the line Mercedes-Benz. And so I feel the same way I feel about this as someone that catches, you know, someone's 600th home run or 3,000 hit if it goes into the stand. Of course that should go back to the player once the player pays a requisite sum. Of course Tom Brady should get number 12.

makes it work with Chris Godwin's wild. The fact that he was pure pressured into giving it up for no compensation, I find it so unbelievable that I want to believe Brady actually paid him just no one is saying it because Brady

is too classy to just debo the guy for his number. You know what? That's actually a great argument. And frankly, I agree with you. I honestly totally agree that if I was Godwin, I would absolutely give Tom the number. And if I was Tom, I'd say, dude, you know, e-sadan, Mercedes, it'll be, it'll be, yeah, I totally agree with you on this.

I think it just, it's just what, by the way, Tom's also trying to buy, you know, he's coming to Chris Godwin's team. Correct. And let me, if I may, I apologize. Let me add one more thing. I think everyone involved with the Tampa Bay Buc is super stoked Brady's there, with the possible exception of Chris Godwin. And here's why. James is not good for your heart if you're a Bucks fan. He's not good for your job security if you're a Bucks coach.

But if you're a wide receiver in a contract year, James is your quarterback is actually kind of awesome. He's going to throw it around the yard. You're going to have opportunities for huge plays. The Bucs should be better with Brady, but is Godwin going to have another 1,300-yard season? I don't know because I don't know what style of offense they're going to have. So even of all the guys on the team,

the one that Brady should try to ingratiate himself the most with his Godwin. And so, listen, I'm sure you have back channels to Tom, and I know you have back channels with Mercedes-Bin. Be the intermediate here, intermediary here, and make this happen. No, I think you're right on this. I said this to start our show, is that in times of distress and crisis, there are a lot of psychological ramifications for children in tough households whose parents lose jobs. jobs. It's a scary time. I think positive news over Doomsday is going to be psychologically very crucial. This is just not an economic crisis and a medical crisis. It's a psychological crisis in

our country going forward. And I think the draft is a phone call business, and it's the only five, six days of the year in the NFL where all 32 teams win. It's a hope-based talent accumulation business. I think it needs to go on. I think the NFL needs to show strength from its free agency to its schedule release to its draft. It is a phone business and it makes everybody feel better. And I know I feel better when I go to Twitter and one of my favorite comedians has a funny bit. And one of my favorite musicians is releasing a song in his living room. So I think there's psychological ramifications of this virus where positivity matters. And I think the draft makes feel good, so I'm not going to bang on the NFL if they want to do it.

What say you? Well, I hadn't even thought about the layers you're talking about psychologically, but it's spot on. And I, listen, there are things that I think are fair to criticize the NFL for. And things the NFL does that you look back and you say, well, that could have been handled better. Yeah. I don't know why one would criticize them for holding the draft.

Now, if they were saying we're going to hold the combine, that would be the ludicrous. But the draft is, nobody has to be there. And so the, the, you, just like you can, we are finding ways to do my television show and your television and radio show so they are similar, but not

the same, you can do the same thing with the draft. The entire world doesn't have to stop. And your point that we do need little kernels of positivity because every other time you open Twitter, it's like, okay, Toronto said nothing till June

and Wimbledon was canceled. And it's just stomach punch after stomach punch in what is a slow motion crisis. So I agree with you on that. And I do think that there are some people who operate with the NFL the way, if I'm being honest, I often operate with the NCAA, which is we start from the position of they must be getting this wrong and work backwards from there. And so I don't know why. I don't understand the criticism of them holding the draft.

I agree with you. I said earlier that if I was the Bengals and could get eight picks, I would do it. But I think contextually, I have to acknowledge. Joe Burrough sells tickets. He's a hometown kid. And unlike the Colts who moved off Peyton Manning or the Packers who moved off Favre, or if the Saints moved off Breeze and passed on a Joe Burrell, they have equity with their fan base.

They have titles. They have championships. Cincinnati has no equity with their fan base. And if they move off Burrow and he wins immediately elsewhere, that is a PR tsunami that could affect that franchise for years to come. So I would do it, but I don't live in Cincinnati. I'm not an executive for the Bengals. Would you move off Burrow for eight picks?

I would as well for the same reasons you're saying and I understand the point, which is the risk versus reward and that if he turns into a star and you missed on the most obvious pick-ever 60-thous-down hometown kid, then your career's over. I get that part of it. But the other reason that if I had the number one overall pick in damn near any draft, I would strongly consider moving off it for the right package. It's something we talked about on the show this morning.

Post-Payton Manning, Colin, number one overall picks in the NFL have been far in a way. Disappointment. Post-Patant, the only one. to be a star on the Super Bowl team is Eli. The next three best quarterbacks that went number one overall, Andrew Luck, played 86 games. Matt Stafford has never won a playoff game,

and Cam Newton, who evidently half the league thinks is done, and he's 30 years old. Then you've got Vic, who I love but was best with his second team. Carson Palmer, who was best with his third team, Alex Smith, who was best with his second team. Go up and down the list, look at it. Number one overall picks, like Eric Fisher, who is the left tackle for the Chiefs who went number one overall

is like a median number one overall pick. The guys made one pro bowl in 10 years. It's not the NBA. It's not LeBron and Zion and Anthony Davis and Derek Rose and Blake Griffin. It is far more disappointments than superstars. And in fact, since Peyton, only one true superstar has gone number one. So, yeah, I would do it in a vacuum, but I understand why it's tough for Cincinnati. Yeah, I've said before Elway and Andrew Luck are the only guys ever,

five, the number one pick I wouldn't trade out of. My rule is always been in the first round. Trade down. Number one pick, trade down. I saw Elway and Luck where I thought they're good enough to win on crappy teams, which they did. Okay, finally, congratulations for Nick Wright, a Boston radio station, W.E.E.I, which is in a perennial bad mood. There are no last. Always. Always. These guys are so mad at everyone all the time.

Go ahead. The day after the World Series, they complained the first. age too long. They have named Nick Wright as one of the top three Tom Brady haters. Congratulations in order. How does that land for you? You must be very happy. Well, it's one of the, you know, pinnacle accomplishments of my career. It doesn't quite trump being named by this fun, America's most annoying sportscaster in 2019, something where I had to beat you in the final four. It was, I mean, I had to beat Rome. I had to beat you. I went up against Stephen A in the championship game. I was a 16th.

It's really nothing will ever trump this, but this is a close second. What I will say is this. You know who else was on that list? Phil Belichick, and this is my infinity shield against all the people who say I'm a Tom Brady Hater. I'm not a Tom Brady Hater. I think of him the exact same way the greatest coach of all time thinks of him. Once upon a time you were awesome. Right now, though, I think I'll roll the dice with a something known as a sit-um and see how it

worked out for me. That was Belichick's call. I was saying the same thing last year. So, yeah, people can call it a hater, but you know what I call myself, Colin. I'm not a hater. I'm not a hot taker. I'm a truth teller. But sometimes those truths hurt people, especially people at the EEI in Boston who are just mad at everyone.

You will probably get ripped for just saying that. Oh, no question. There's no sports going on, Colin. This is the lead of all their shows the next two days. And you're going to catch most of the shrapnel because you're so much more famous than me. Like, this is going to become cats. Howard Rip Boston on nesson.com by 5 p.m. I guarantee you.

Buddy, I love you. Hope your family safe. Thanks. You as well. Talk to letter, but. Yeah, I used to listen to that station because I would get up and work out, and I would listen to the Hub,

Felger and Maz. Were the guys, I love them in Boston. Yeah, that's the other station. They actually laughed occasionally. They weren't mad at the world every second. But so, yeah, yeah. So those guys are terrific. I think we went on, I went on with them with the Super Bowl.

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It's my computer career.edu. So there has always been this sense that, you know, you can get a running back anywhere in the draft, which is not true, the great running backs like Ezekiel Elliott or Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, they're not available anywhere in the draft. Like any business in life, there's very few, very little great. And occasionally, you're not going to get Zechial Elliott in the third, fourth, fifth round. You can mostly fill your spots in the second round on. Wide receiver, we believe, well, that's different.

Wide receiver is different. Wide receiver, you can get wide receiver. Listen to this. If you don't think wide receivers like running back, which is mostly, mostly you can get them everywhere. since 2015. I'm going to count the wide receivers that have been drafted in the first round. 6, 10, 13, 15, 18.

One is a true number one receiver, Amari Cooper. And half of you don't love him. Half of you think he's a two. He's a one. There you go. One has worked as a number one. Several busts, a lot of injuries, massive underachieving. Belichick, by the way, can't figure out why.

receiver. It's hard. And I think here's the reason. Wide receiver is so dependent on two things. Your head coach's ability with the offensive coordinator to scheme you open. Very few Calvin Johnsons who just can catch anything anywhere. Very few Randy Mosses can get open against any defense. So your head coach and your offensive coordinator, do they have an ability to scheme you open? Secondly, does your quarterback, I think this is big, is he an accurate thrower of the football who can buy time? It's obviously much harder to cover a wide receiver for five seconds than it is 2.5. You'd say, well, Tom Brady should make him all work. He doesn't.

Tom Brady's an accuracy guy. He's the goat, but he's often impatient with young receivers. Aaron Rogers hasn't had a lot of wide receivers that hit with him. He is demanding. Aaron Rogers can get impatient like Brady. Here's the system. You figure it out. I'm not babysitting.

Look at the teams that draft wide receivers well. And you see a pattern. San Francisco, Kyle Shanahan, has done a pretty good job with his wide receiver picks. So is Andy Reed. Why? Because Shanahan and Andy Reed have the ability to scheme players open. tight ends, and, I mean, George Kittle went fifth round, right, from Iowa.

Have you ever noticed watching San Francisco how often George Kittle is still wide open? You ever noticed watching the Chiefs, Travis Kelsey, is often wide open. That's scheming, not just player. In fact, I would say that's mostly scheming. So Andy Reed and Kyle Shanahan have an ability to scheme players open. that's why they have a higher hit rate right now in their current jobs with wide receivers and tight ends. I'll give you another example. Russell Wilson and Deshawn Watson.

Now, they've been in the NFL longer than Lamar, so let's count. They've got more games and more reps, right? They are great ad livers. So Houston and Seattle have also done pretty well getting wide receivers and having them hit. Because Russell runs around. Nobody can reasonably cover. A Doug Baldwin, a Lockett, a DK Matt, can't cover him for seven seconds. Deshawn Watson, similarly, most of the receivers they draft in Houston work.

So it's not who your head coach is, who your quarterback is, goes a long way in the wide receiver drafting department and tight end. Should be noted. Michael Thomas played at Ohio State. He's now a better pro with Drew Brees and Sean Payton. And that's not a knock on Urban Meyer, but it shows you that, and by the way, Peyton doesn't even draft a lot of wide receivers. They don't. They tend to go around the league, find guys they think can fit with them. But here was Urban Meyer talking about Michael Thomas, who got to the NFL.

He got the right coach, the right schemes, the right quarterback. Now he's unstoppable. The name that comes in my mind is Mike Thomas. He didn't work real hard. He was an excuse maker. We kind of sat him down and had a hard conversation. and then he went on to be the highest paid NFL receiver. If you'd have told us that five, six years ago, no chance.

So I think he's in a great organization. He's got an excellent coaching staff surrounded by elite people, and he's getting better and better. And he'll be one to tell you, Drew Brees is a big part of that as well. Yeah. You know what this makes me think of is there are receivers in this league who take Odell Beckham Jr., who he's dealt with multiple customers,

coaches in dysfunction in New York and an old Eli and multiple coaches in Cleveland and a two young Baker yet and he's still productive. How do you think O'Dell Beckham would be with Sean Payton or Andy Reed? And I think that's where O'Dell Beckham has a right to be frustrated. So much of this league, not just quarterbacks, is where you land. I tell broadcasters this all the time. Listen, man, moving in mobility is great. Just pick the right spot. Because you can end up with a bad, there's a sea of money, right? Right, right? In broadcasting media, there's not a lot of great bosses. Pick the right bosses. Okay. So it's the same thing with pro athletes. Odell Beckham has had an old Eli, an immature baker to this point. I don't,

I've lost track. Four total head coaches, none have worked. What would Odell Beckham be with Andy Reed? what would Odell Beckham be with Kyle Shanahan? What would Odell Beckham be? He would be, his numbers might take. Today, Odell Beckham is not a Hall of Famer. If he had Andy Reed, Kyle Shanahan, or Sean Payton today, we'd be saying he's probably already in. I mean, that's how much it matters.

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Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Ah, here we go. Hour 2. We're live in Los Angeles. However, you may be listening. Wherever, you may be listening. It's the herd. Iheart, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, Sirius XM Channel 83, YouTube, Facebook, all over Twitter, blah, blah, blah, you know the rule. Just to give you an example that we've said before, I've sort of altered my show slightly over the last three to four weeks because of the social isolation, not being at FS1. Podcast numbers in sports, ours are up, six figures,

as a company, seven figures. We brought on Mark Cuban, Bob Costas. In one minute, Bill Simmons, Charles Barkley, tomorrow, Coach Kay. We're doing longer form podcast style interviews. And our podcasts are up and our streaming is up and the numbers are up. Television numbers. We're doing a radio show right now for the last couple of weeks, not really a TV show. We'll get back into the TV studio at some point.

But people want content. People want to be entertained. And so we're in for a ride. We're not sure how long the social isolation works. I will say this. You know, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of nonsense you can follow. The only site I really go to, and I've been told this by two doctors,

in Los Angeles. The only site I go to is COVID-19. Dot health data.org. That is it. It's no opinion. It's all data. I'm not interested in guessing COVID-19. Healthdata.org.

That's it. This morning, the signs are very encouraging. Social distancing is having a clear impact on this. So please listen. Bill Simmons, we used to work at the same company. Then we changed places, blah, blah, blah. He works at the ringer, recently sold to Spotify, who could figure that deal out. He made a bunch of money, but he was already doing well, so I'm not worried about that.

He still wears hoodies. I mean, it's like Bill's going to wear tuxedos. He wears hoodies. Joy Taylor's also joining me. So let me guess, you're not wearing a tux yet. Despite selling a Spotify, you still wore a hoodie right now as we speak. I haven't changed, Colin, but you have changed. You finally are allowing people to call into your show.

I just did a tweet about your ego-maniacal policy of people. have to come into the studio so you can stare down at them from your guests. You lured over them, in their opinion, from a higher plane. So now the coronavirus has reduced you to phone calls, and I couldn't be happy, at least about that. I had it cost us on for 30 minutes yesterday, and we'll keep you on as long as you want. So I don't believe it's immoral. I think all crises have to be managed. You can run, you can hide, but you have to manage.

but you have to manage stuff. It's like being a dad. It's like being a parent. It's like being like you, a big boss with a lot of employees. You've got to manage stuff. I don't think it's immoral to consider NBA games with no fans. To talk about NBA games,

coaches wear masks. I think this stuff's all on the table. How does it land for you? I mean, Twitter's seeking perfection. That doesn't exist in real life. In real life, you and I have discussions about businesses and some ideas of ours are probably crows. and some are good.

What do you make of the idea of, listen, let's get this NBA season in some way, somehow. It's just going to be a new normal. You know, I've been pretty early. I did a podcast with Gladwell basically right after the Gobert thing happened. And I just felt it just felt like we were just being too optimistic about how all this is going to play out. And I think we're even feeling it now as people are trying to get excited about sports coming back. And, you know, when we can get through this and these next two months are going to be horrendous, obviously. And once we can get to the other side, when can life start to feel normal again?

I just am really skeptical it's going to feel normal for a while. And, you know, you look at, like, the basketball playoffs, I think there's a drop dead date for that for, like, if it doesn't be able to wrap up by Labor Day, at that point, like, what are we doing? Right. You might as well just cancel the season and move on. And so we really have to start by July 1st. So, you know, optimistically you're going, all right, everything will be normal by July 1st, hopefully or relatively normal. I still think it's going to take a long time for people to want to be in crowds. Yeah.

Even if people are telling us it's cool, it's okay. Like just imagine being at the Staples Center or, you know, whatever NBA arena you want to talk about, just sitting in a section with 100 people. I think that's going to take a lot. longer to come back than we realize. Now we're talking about empty arenas for playoff games and it's like to what end? Like if the players aren't totally comfortable with it, if we haven't figured out

a 100% way for everybody to be safe, are we really going to do that? And I think, you know, now it's April, April 1st today. You know, this stuff moves fast. All of a sudden it's going to be May. Are we really going to be at a place where these guys are going to be an empty arenas? I don't see it. I think it's going to be more likely

to get canceled. You know, the NFL has said, listen, and the NFL is not as tied to social media as the NBA, which has a younger demo. The NFL has said, listen, we're going to do free agency. It's a telephone business. We're going to release the schedule. It's a telephone business. We're going to do the draft, 95% of it to telephone business. I argue this.

We're not only in a medical crisis. We are soon going to be in an economic crisis. And I also think we're going to have a psychological crisis as unemployment soars. Goldman Sachs predicts 15%. that I do think the draft is a uniquely positive and hopeful sports event where there are no losers. Even the Buccaneers and the Jags feel great after the weekend. And if you can do it by, I think the stuff matters. I said this to start my show today.

Hollywood, people think Hollywood right now is not working. Oh, yes, they are. It is getting us through the talented people, the comedians who are funny on Twitter every day. I'm watching shows and documentaries. I've never felt Hollywood is more vital to my cycle. logical, you know, sense of well-being. So I'm for the NFL saying, listen, the draft is optimistic. Nobody loses.

It's five days of fun and hope. We're going to go for it. What say you? I heard the beginning of your show. I thought you did a good job with that. You know, I know on the face of it, it looks a little dicey, especially like it really does seem like so many things are going to get worse here over the next couple weeks and whether people are going to be in the mood to watch college kids get drafted.

I don't know. I don't know where we're going to be at the end of April. But I'm with you. I feel like if we can do even something as simple as the NFL draft where it takes people's minds off stuff for the next four to five days at the end of the month, I don't know why that's a bad thing. And I know the teams are against it. But look, like, you know, I think we've all seen all these things that we thought we were doing a certain way.

we've been able to adapt. Like, we're doing it with our business at the ringer. Like, we figured out how to do probably 70 to 80% of our podcast remotely with people in different places. Like, you just kind of, we didn't have a choice, but we figured it out. And now we have a model that's been working pretty well. You figured out how to do your show. I think it's okay if they figure out how do the NFL draft,

and it's a little different. And these guys don't get, these teams don't get interviews with quarterback. Maybe they do it on Zoom. Maybe they do it on FaceTime. Whatever. I would really rather see them keep that going because you even look at this week, they announced that NBA 2K tournament with the NBA players. People were excited about it.

Of course. Kevin Durant's going to play a video game against somebody. What time? I'm there. Nobody has anything to do. Right. So I think the draft will really help in that respect. I hope to keep it.

Now, I don't know if you heard. You probably did. I broke the Brady story to Tampa Bay. It was, you know, again, when the big stuff happens, the herd is his big j journalism so anywho uh you know you don't get credit when you break stuff rsillo and i talk about stuff on our sunday pod all the time we never get credit i told people a week and a half ago they were releasing that jordan documentary early nobody listened to me i know you're on the brady thing you were on it you had it and they it was 60 to one like two months

ago yeah the odds were 60 to one he was going to go to the bucks so somebody actually probably made some money from it But I would say this. I look at it, and I'm not into that, Who Matters More Brady or Belichick. I tend to think, you got to, this stuff works because both get along. But I will say this. And I've thrown this theory out.

New England has so much equity. They didn't resign their kicker. They didn't resign their two playmaking linebackers. They're going to go with Jared Stidham. They would have won more games potentially with Teddy Bridgewater. Is that they got 12 picks. I'm going to throw it at you, Bill. They're going to get three compensations.

compensatory picks next year because of Brady, Van Neu, and Jamie Collins. They're going to move, in my belief, four, five picks this year to next year. They're going to have 14 picks. They're going to be a 7 and 9 team, 8th in the league draft, 9th. They're going to go to somebody and say, we're going to give you nine picks to get the top pick. Because there's a high probability the worst team in the league next year is not going to need a quarterback. It's not tanking. they can still maintain their integrity.

Miami this year built a culture losing games. You don't have to win the Super Bowl and win your division to build a culture. I think New England is going to stockpile picks and throw 10 at somebody to get Lawrence or Justin Fields. Rip my theory apart. I'm not against it. Even the Edelman, it seems like he might be heading to Detroit. Is that official? You know, when you look at the team.

So two things have happened here. They've had a couple bad drafts dating back to the deflakeate losing that first round pick that year. But if you just look at the totality of the drafts from like 15 through last year, not the same. And, you know, they kind of ebb and flow with these little runs that the past have, depending on how the drafts were. The second run that they had where they won the three Super Bowls in four years, it was a lot of that had to do with the drafts. that they had, the moves they made the years before. Same thing with the first 3 in 01 and 03 and 04. So I think there's been some roster atrophy that you could really feel last year.

The team was just not that talented last year. They were slow. They were very slow offensively. It just wasn't great. The second half of the season was not good. And, you know, the paths have such equity with people because over and over again when we think it's over for them they were able to pull it out. And last year, everybody's waiting, but, you know,

the people that were actually watching the team weekend and week out, we're like, wow, this is just not a very good team. I think Belichick knows that. I agree with you. I don't think he would ever tank, but if you look at the moves they made this year, they're basically, they have a huge cap hit, like 26 million.

They let go a lot of culture people, like Van Noy, Edelman, Brady, huge culture guy. Everybody loved him, awesome teammate. And it does seem like they're going to take their lumps this year. Here's the thing, though, Colin, Belichick is so much smarter than everybody else.

Yes. All the advantages they have week to week just from intelligence and IQ and the players they pick, I think it would be impossible for them to go like two and 14. Oh, yeah, totally. No, no, they'll win six games because they're smarter, but it is becoming a... But could they win 10, though? Oh, Bill.

Listen, if C.J. Mosley is healthy for the Jets and they patch the old line and they're on their way. Their bills are going to be good. I think Miami's closed, or I think the Jets, again, if Mosley's healthy and the O line is better, they're a nine-win team. They won seven last year. The quarterback had mono with the worst offensive. Did they change their coach? I don't, listen, he's not my cup of tea. But I, but I say this, seven and nine, last year the Patriots and Buffalo was good. Seven and nine, quarterback had mono for a month. It's not a, it's not a shipwreck there. No, I like Miami situation more, though, with all their picks. Yeah.

I think they have a great coach. I was so impressed with him last year. Yes. Really, like he's top six or top seven and put a culture in a media. It's basically the opposite of what everyone thought Matt Patricia was going to do. He was a bozo and is a bozo and continues to be a bozo. Brian Flores actually knows what he's doing. Yep.

And that week 17 win that they had when they upset the Patriots completely toppled the playoff picture. and was the reason the Chiefs won the Super Bowl. It really was. The paths would have been a, had a buy in round one, and they just would have pulled it out the way they always do, and everything flipped when they won that game, and that was just because of Florida. Yeah, no, I'm a, we've said this.

We think he's the one guy that works. And by the way, what's the first thing he does second year? He spends money like Belichick does. He goes and gets corners. That's the one position Bill's always spent money on is corner, and Flores is like, yeah, we're going to have a great secondary. So I'm with you. All right, let's move to something we both have fondness for.

Our former employer is coming out with this Bulls documentary, which you broke the story. Didn't get credit, but you will hear because I believe in journalism. Okay, so I said yesterday, and I'm not going to get into my brilliant rant, but I said it's the most beloved team in America, the Bulls, period, end of story, and here's why. They were in the Eastern Conference, but they had a Western Conference glamour. So they had the lunch pale Midwest sensibility. Everybody loved them.

They were tough like Big East basketball and the kind of stuff that New Yorkers are tough. Philadelphia guys tough. They were tough. They were lunch pale. But guys out west, you and I know this, the Pacific Ocean has this ability. It's easier out here. We like finesse. We like glamour.

And it matters. Kardashians are celebrities out here. They wouldn't work like that in New York. So he was able to lunchpail it, tough it, and glum. glamorize it. We loved him. Jordan was, LeBron's still 50-50. I contend outside of Detroit and Boston, and even there you respected him. I think it's the most popular team in my life. I don't think you could do a 10-part 30-for-30, which you invented, with any other team. So let's start with the premise. I think they're the most popular American sports team, and you can't count Olympic teams.

Let's get out of that in my life. Do you agree with that? 100%. I think there was no experience like that specific Bulls team after Jordan came back for those three years when they came into a city. I've never seen anything like it before since. I wrote about it. Jordan, look, I get it with the under 30 people. LeBron's their guy. They were there for LeBron. They don't understand why he's not the best. Jordan was just more popular or more famous than LeBron. or Kobe or anyone else you want to name in every conceivable way. He was, he transcended celebrity.

He was, I went to games. I remember going to a couple Boston games near his last couple of Bulls years here. When he would come in for the, you know, the pregame warmups and the whole place would stop. And it was just like 18,000 people just staring at one person. There's never been another athlete like that. He was so insanely famous and beloved. that I'm really glad they're doing this. We tried to do it after we finished the first 30 for 30 series

where we had everything going in 2009. We knew about this documentary that NBA Entertainment had, you know, they had filmed his whole season. They had all this behind the scene stuff. So we got a copy of it, and we watched it. And the behind-the-scenes stuff, it was the real Jordan. It was like the homicidely competitive Jordan, the guy yelling at his teammates.

It was all the stuff that we'd always heard about, but I'd never seen. And we were just like, how do we get this made? Jordan never wanted it. And I think, you know, what happened in the decade, especially after LeBron won that cast title, when things really started their shift, and all of a sudden there was an MJ versus LeBron argument,

I think for the first time Jordan in his camp realized, oh, we got to protect our legacy here. Yeah. I think people are starting to forget, like, how great and famous and how universally everyone thought, who was there, this is the best basketball player I'm ever going to see. And I still feel that way. I know you do too. Yeah. No, no. Michael's the best player I've ever seen.

LeBron's second, magic's third. I do think Magic was closer to Michael because he elevated teammates, but he wasn't the athlete. He didn't play that. Magic was never a good defender. And so those are the three best basketball players I've ever seen. And I would say this, Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan are the two most important athletes of my life. Tiger Woods probably has an argument, but it's golf. it's not as personality driven. Muhammad Ali today, Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan

were not only great, but they were fashionable. They were good looking. They were the most glamorous. They were gloom. And they were cool. Like, nothing against LeBron. I've never thought LeBron's cool.

Michael was cool, right? Well, and this was the thing Tiger never had because I think Tiger would have been the third piece of that. Yeah. Tiger just wasn't cool like those guys. Jordan was the coolest guy in every room he was in. And that room could have 20 people, 100, or 20,000.

And I think one of the reasons I'm so saying, and by the way, my friend is doing it, who I did Andre the Giant with Jason Hare, and he's fantastic. And I'm just really excited for him because I think this stock would have been a big deal anyway. But just the way it's all played out where people actually need entertainment, they're moving it up. I think this is going to be one of the biggest stocks ever.

Oh, I think it's going to be the biggest sports. It's going to be massive. Massive. And it's going to remind people, oh, my God, what were we doing? Jordan was the best basketball player ever. Why were we our football? This guy, he was, I mean, he averaged 41 in the 1993 finals. And it was just like an easy 41.

It wasn't like he got hot. It was just, there were more possessions back then. And he was just, I'm getting my 41. I think the game six of the next. final, which you could pick apart pretty easily from an advanced metric standpoint. He's like 17 for 41 in that game is the greatest game I've ever seen anyone play. And my number two would be game one of LeBron's 2018 finals and Golden State. Oh, God, that was incredible.

That was the second greatest game I've ever seen anybody play. But when you watch what Jordan did in that last game, which ended with the famous shot, Rodman is basically done. He's like luggage at that point. Pippin's got a bad back. He can't move. He's got a bunch of nights and tense men around him. And he knows he has to win that game.

Can't let it get to a game seven. And he knows I have to control every minute of this game. I have to control every piece of energy I have in my body. It has to play out a certain way. The pace has to be this. And I have to pick my spot. And it's honestly like watching Ali beat Foreman, where Ali's like, okay, this is the only way I can win.

I have to do these 19 things and get it to this point. And then I can, in the 10th round, I can get them. And that's how Jordan handles that game. It's the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life for basketball. It really is. Bill Simmons recently sold his project to Spotify. And by the way, you know, I want to get into your personal life much. But I always said if I, you know, hit it, you know, big,

I would buy a lifetime supply of peanut brittle, and I'd buy a lady in the house that just made all my meals. So I know you're not a, just didn't have to be a lady, by the way, I can be anybody. Just I want somebody making me smoothies for breakfast and salmon salad for lunch. So what is the one thing? You're not a showy guy at all. I don't know you that well, but I know you well enough.

You're not showy at all. But is there one thing that you thought about buying? No. No. I'm just moving forward. I think the exciting thing for us is, you know, we put a lot of time and effort into the little company we're building. And then we were able to hook up with this bigger company that I've been in that situation before,

DSP and as have you, when you have a huge company that has a big platform and reach and smarts and money, that's honestly the best place to be. The happiest I've ever been professionally my whole life was, you know, the heyday of ESPN when we were doing 30 for 30 in Grantland and, you know, ESPN was really spending money in the right things. There wasn't a lot of corporate interference, good people in charge. I loved it.

I really had, I looked back at that. I'm like, that was amazing. I was basically on the 27 Yankees for sports media there for four years. Well, now you're back. So now you're back and happen. I think Spotify has a chance to be that for audio. That was the biggest reason for me. Hey, thanks for coming on the show.

You're very, very in demand. It was very kind of you to give... Wait, you didn't ask me about Brady. I don't understand. Okay, I'll give you one... Give me one minute on Brady. Okay, so, well, I ask you about that. So what specifically do you want?

Okay, how is he going to do in Tampa? He's going to be a wild card. Guys, going to be productive, right? Here's my thing. And I can't remember which comedian had this bit. I apologize, but this is going to be in your wheelhouse calling. If, you know, you, like, I don't know if your parents are still alive, but if you have, like, 75-year-old parents and they've been married for 60 years, 50 years, whatever, let's say your parents are 78.

They've been married for 55 years, and they call you one day, and they say, we're getting a divorce. We've just kind of had it with each other. We're just, that's it. And your reaction would be like, why now? You guys are in your late 70s. What are you going to date? You're going to go on Tinder? You've come this far.

Why not just hit the finish line together? And that's how I'm, I really feel that way about Brady. I'm like, why now? It's been 20 years. You have a chance to have one of the all-time iconic drafted by a team finish your career with a team thing. Didn't you watch the reaction with Kobe in Los Angeles, how much he meant to people here?

because he stayed here the whole time and he settled here and all the connections he had. Like, what is better than that for a legacy? No, you're going to go to Tampa. You're going to play for Bruce Ariens. You're going to play, have a bunch of 75-year-olds in the stands and the team with no history. Like, how do you do this? How is this how your career end? I just don't get it.

No, I'm confused. Yeah, no, the parent thing is right. Like, if you get through 50 years living together in Brooklyn and you're annoying each other, just tough it out. I mean, just deal with it, right? Just made me one great athlete who really looks back like, oh, man, like MJ, like, oh, man, those last two years on the wizard, thank God I did that. You know, it's like, it's like FARV, like, oh, man, that last Vikings year after we almost made the NFL game, when I got the crap kicked out of me and we went like 5 and 11, that was awesome. I'm so glad that happened. Like, this always ends badly.

And I think he's just going to keep going until this ends badly, until he has the same season that Peyton Manning had, when Peyton Manning had nine TDs and 17 interceptions. And people were wondering if Brock Osweiler should take his job. Like, is that how Brady wants this to end? I guess it is. That's a great perspective. You stole it from some comedian you forgot, but nonetheless, it was a hell of a perspective.

I know. I'm sorry. I apologize to random comedian. I really, I know I heard that bit before. It was a great bit, and that's how I feel about Brady. You guys are 78. Why are you getting divorced? That's great.

Bill, I love you. Great. I'm ready any time. Now that you accept phone calls. Just tell me when you want me on. I'm on. All right, buddy. Thanks, man.

All right. Thank you. 25 minutes of Bill Simmons. That's fun. Hope you guys enjoyed it. We'll put it on the podcast for those who tuned in late. Discover matches all the cash back you earned credit card end of your first year. Discover is accepted in 99% of the places in the U.S.

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Buy it on foxports.com slash WrestleMania. By the way, I want to thank Bill Simmons for coming on. He was terrific. I do think they're going to get an NBA season in. I do. I think it's going to be playoffs only. That's about the only thing we disagree with. I think they'll just manage it.

I think smart people manage stuff. And Adam Silver is really, really special. smart. So there you go. But I really appreciated that. I hope you enjoyed it. Bob Costas yesterday. That was Monday. Mark Cuban. Coach K. Coach Shoshowski is joining me tomorrow. We're doing these long like 25, 30 minute interviews in our second hour because I'm mostly doing a radio show now. You know, because I'm in a radio studio. It's simulcast on FS1. Please watch. But we're kind of changing things up. We don't have games. And you're responding and saying you like it. So there you go. Joy with the news.

No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sponsored by Mercedes-Bets. By the way, Joy, did you notice, Joy, I got a new shirt today? I did notice you have a new shirt.

It looks very good. Have you ordered new stuff? So when you go... I have not. You guys are probably going to get T-shirt Joy on the herd when I get a camera, which will probably be happening this week, hopefully happening this week.

But yeah, so you're going to get the casual joy probably. Okay, so this is. very exciting for me. You talked about this earlier. The dolphins are in desperate need of a franchise quarterback and maybe willing to move up in the draft to do that. And according to the Miami Herald, they will try to trade with the Bengals to get the number one pick. They have 14 total picks this year, including three in the first round. You could give Cincinnati both. You could give Cincinnati all three of your picks. You could say you get ours at five and then take our other two ones. We'll give you three first

round picks this year. I mean, I don't think it'll happen, but I wonder if that's ever happened in the history of the league, where a team had three first round picks and gave a team all of them. Because if you got Burrow, you got enough picks the rest of the way, you're fine. God, what Cincinnati could get three first. Well, they had two additional picks, and they frankly, they'd want the following years number one pick as well. And they're not going to do it, but God, that's fascinating. Fourteen picks. You know, well, listen. Even if you gave him three first round picks and then two later picks, how can you turn that down?

This is why Brian Flores. Brian Flores is mimicking Bill Belichick. First thing, build a culture. Second thing, solves his cornerbacks. Third thing, accumulate draft picks. I don't know if I told you this. I can't remember if I told you this or not. Did I tell you I saw Brian Flores at NFL Honors during Super Bowl week?

So I went to NFL honors. I got to my seat and Don Shula is in the overall. is in my row. So it's Don Chula and Brian Flores. And I told Brian Flores that we are big fans and that we talk about him often on the show. We're very impressed with what he's done with the team so far, which I am. And I love that they've put together all these picks. And I'm holding out hope until literally until it is announced at the draft that Burrow is drafted

by the Bengals that Miami will make a trade. It should be noted. I don't think any of these teams, Joy, I don't think they're going to make a trade till draft day. because the Chargers in Miami, if they want the same guy, they don't want to be the first to make a move. Like the only way you could guarantee you'd get your quarterback, not Joe Burrow, would be either one or two.

So I think we're going to have a, I think this is going to be the most entertaining first hour of the NFL draft it's ever had. There's going to be massive trades. And I really do not think that Miami is sold onto a. Yeah. Because if this is leaking. Yeah, that's right.

They want it leaked. This leaks. This leaks. Stuff only leaks when somebody wants it leaked. Right. So we'll talk more about this story this afternoon on Joy Chat on caffeine, free app. Go download it. It will be live at 3.30 p.m. Eastern, 1230 Pacific.

So the Steelers traded away their 20-20 first round pick when they acquired Minka Fitzpatrick from the Dolphins. And GM Kevin Colbert says the team is very happy with that decision. He said that under the current circumstances, they're much more comfortable having an established all-pro player in Fitzpatrick than dealing. with the uncertainty of taking a player that they may not have all the information on that they usually would. They have six picks in the draft, and their earliest pick is in the second round number 49. They also said it's highly unlikely that they trade back up into the first round. So according to

the mock drafts, Todd McShay has Jacob Eason going to the Steelers. That's pretty low, I think, who probably get taken before that. And CBS has Clyde Edwards Hillare, the running back from LSU, going to the Steelers. I agree with this theory. While I like the way that the dolphins set themselves up because they are in a complete nutter rebuild, if you're someone like the Steelers, you don't need to hoard up draft picks.

Having Mink of Fitzpatrick a known commodity over, especially in this draft. And he's a playmaking defensive player. He's not just good. He's a playmate. He's an Ed Reed kind of, I can get you points. I can turn the ball over. He makes plays, not just bats down passes. Right.

He's absolutely a disruptor. So having someone like him and all pro that you know what you're going to get from him, as opposed to, especially in this draft, where you aren't going to be able to do your research in a traditional fashion, this is a good move for the Steelers. So Drew Brees agreed to a two-year, $50 million deal in the off season to stay with the Saints.

But when Sean Payton was discussing the quarterback position in New Orleans, he may have accidentally dropped some news about Breeze's future. The unique situation with our team and with our quarterback, Drew Brees, is he's announced he's coming back for his final season. I think Tays him sees himself as being a starting quarterback in this league, and we do too. But it's a two-year deal. Meaning Drew's going to do one year with New Orleans and then move to Monday Night Football? I don't know.

Well, he has a $23.65 million cap hit in 2020. So I mean, like moving forward into next year, he could because he does have that offer, obviously. But he did sign a two-year, $50 million deal. But Drew Brees looked great this year after he had that five weeks where he was injured and recovering. But his legs looked much better. Now, you and I are kind of on the same page about TASM. I don't really know if I see him as a franchise quarterback. But the Saints seem to be leaning that way.

So Sean Payton may have just misspoke And we're reading too much into it That he said it's his final season But I could see this happening And then turning it over to Tase him Who has said he he mimics everything that Drew Brees does And he was on the show with us in Miami And said that Drew Brees is

I mean he's he's taught him how to be a pro He does everything Drew does But is he Drew Brees I don't think so Good stuff Joy with the news Well that's the news And thanks for stopping by The Herd Light News

You know it's funny So many people are saying there's no games. What do we talk about? I honestly believe, Joy, the last 10 shows I've done have been as good at 10 radio shows as I've done in my career. We have, there's so much out there. You've got to dig a little bit. But we've had such fascinating guests, Bill Simmons today, Bob Costas, Charles Barkley, Mark Cuban. Just every day we've got somebody that's interesting to me. And Mike Shashefsky is going to be on tomorrow in our second hour. Coming up next, you can't expect people who have a certain way to build their football team to suddenly move off that

because of pressure. Fascinating what was unearthed from Bill Belichick. A little secret information is in the hands and now on the internet from 1991 on what Belichick's likes out of his quarterbacks. And it tells you a lot about why Bill's not going after some other quarterbacks. That's coming up. The herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source,

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Search Learn the hard way and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me.

He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. A rep, mom, I'm a one. I want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Ms. Parker.

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thank you for protecting your citizens. Yeah, apparently the governor of Florida finally, you know, put the remote, turn the TV on and sees what's happening. I don't know. In the world. old. So I see this ex-raven scout, my buddy Daniel Jeremiah, used to be a scout for the Ravens. And he was looking through some old stuff the other day, and he found a document he received in his time of the Ravens, who descended from the Cleveland Browns after they moved from Baltimore. And it was what Belichick's ideal offense looks like. And it's really fascinating. Every position, every single position. I mean, this looks like, you know, it's 1991, so it's like 35 years ago, how many years that is. But the quarterback situation,

the quarterback script is very interesting. So this is Belichick in 1991 when he was in Cleveland. Number one for a quarterback is to make good decisions, then arm in size and toughness leadership. Accurate rather than a guy with a cannon. Emphasis on our game will be on decisions and accuracy. He needs to be intelligent, confident, but not as much as field awareness.

Judgment can't be sloppy fundamentally. The quarterback has to be able to throw the ball with accuracy. Now you see why they don't want Cam? He mentioned judgment twice, accuracy three times. Cam's not his guy. So when all these things come out, Bill Belichick has not changed. You can say what you want about Cam. Accuracy is his weakness.

Bill mentions it three times in 1991. Judgment, not great. He also mentions twice mechanics. footwork, drops, release, can't be sloppy fundamentally. Cam is talented, but his mechanics, to me, are way below average. So accuracy and mechanics way below league average. Well, that's what matters to him. The third thing is judgment, and sometimes Cam has good judgment.

Sometimes he doesn't. I mean, that one's hit or miss. I think it's average to slightly below league average what you'd want for an ideal quarterback. It's certainly not in the Russell Wilson-Drew-Bree's category of judgment. but when people say, oh, why wouldn't New England go out? There's nothing about Cam that interests him. And so what did he say over and over that matters? You know, I'll give you an example of this.

When Tim Tebow came out, I was never a Tebow fan. And I love watching SEC football. But there was a time, I thought it was just unbelievable. This was one of the things that was unbelievable. I was called contrarian. I worked at ESPN and, like, legitimate, ESPN NFL people. We're like, he's won seven straight. This guy, and I'm like, stop it. He completes 47% of his throws. You can't win in this league long term. You can win games. Nobody's going to build around a guy that

completes 47% of his throws. That's always been my knock on cam. Well, his receivers is back. He completes 59% of his throws. That's his career average. That's not good enough. But he's had multiple coordinators. He's had multiple people to throw to. He's had multiple offensive line, but he's like a 59% guy. So in this day and age, if you're not 63, 64, 65, generally, you better be able to run around a little because that's like the baseline. So I never ever bought into Tebow. It didn't matter they won seven straight games. It didn't matter that he can run around.

It didn't matter that he was profoundly popular. It didn't matter. He's not accurate enough. And his mechanics, as much as Tim worked on him, he had to Google. wacky, slow windup. So there you go. That's why a lot of people are like Belichick. You know, that's what matters to them.

What matters is accuracy, judgment, and mechanics. And by the way, not everybody has great mechanics. Like Lamar Jackson throws a little quirky. But I'll tell you, from rookie year to year two, got better. Lamar's mechanics got better. And now, now, Philip Rivers, never good ever. throwing that way since he was eight. I saw him in college. That's the way he throws. But Lamar's were a little quirky. One year, rookie year to second year, I'm like,

Lamar's are better. With Cam, his mechanics, his footwork, has always been below average. So there you go. That explains a lot. I saw, I also saw this. NBA players now are discussing, today's their last paycheck for a lot of players, right, if the season doesn't go on. And the one thing I'd like to say about this virus, and I said this to start the show, the NBA cannot worry about perfect. It's a new normal. By the way, go right into the playoffs. Regular season's done 67 games.

Yep. Empty arenas. Yep. Centralized location. Consider it. Get out of perfect. Okay, we're not living in that world. But I also think what the NBA is doing and what I'm hearing, I've got a text today on this.

There's a lot of confidence within NBA player executives and owners. and it's building. They're going to get this season in. The NBA is convinced they're going to get this thing in. This is what I like to hear. They're not seeking perfect. This is abnormal. This is suboptimal. The NBA, let's not talk about China. I don't believe anything out of China. I don't care about their data. I don't care about the Chinese basketball league. I don't want to compare us to China. I don't want to compare us to Europe. It's America. New York's got a real crisis. It's not great in Michigan, Louisiana, either, or Jersey. The NBA is managing this and discussing things we all need to discuss.

By the way, I think there's opportunities here to shorten the NBA season or at least change when it starts. And I'll give you an example. Some of this stuff, we're going to become a more efficient nation with this. Airports are far more efficient today than they were pre-9-11. From tragedy comes change, from the virus comes change. There are parts of this country that will. actually learn from this. I'll give you an example. I think fewer people will go to work and more people now, 10, 12, 15% of the economy, people are going to start figuring out, I can work from

home. I work from home for two months. I was just as productive. What does that mean? Less traffic. Less smog, less pollution. Less crowded roads. Less car deaths. Like, if that comes out of this, then about 8% of the population 10 decides, you know what, that Zoom company, I can I can actually work from home. And companies start saying, you know what? It saves us some money. Let's have more people work from home. More family time.

Less traffic, less pollution. I mean, I drive around L.A. It's never been cleaner. I mean, it's unbelievable. I can literally see for 100 miles. It's unbelievable. So I like what I hear from the NBA. We have a situation now where players, this is the last paycheck.

And so you get in a situation where players are going to be like, okay, I want some money, unless you're LeBron. That can matter, right? And players are going to have to start waking up in the morning and thinking, listen, no fans possible. Centralized location possible. Robotic cameras possible. Are coaches wear masks? Possible.

Manage crisis. Manage it. I'm hearing very positive things from the NBA. Really a source I absolutely trust says there's a growing belief. They're going to get this thing into some level. I like what I'm hearing. Greg Jennings around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Here we go, hour three. Great to have you in live in Los Angeles. This is The Heard. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. and Sirius XM Channel 83. Joy Taylor is joining me.

I'm going to say this. I said at top of the show. There's so much misinformation out there. Bloomberg News had a report this morning that the estimates and the data from other countries not accurate at all. Please use the site COVID-19.

comhealthdata.org. Accurate, no opinion, no misinformation. COVID-19. health data.org. I don't want to hear about other places. That's where I go. That's the site. No opinion.

No agendas. Real data. And the data is increasingly encouraging on that site. Again, stories breaking today that a lot of the information where COVID emanates from was not even remotely accurate. This is where I get my information, period. Greg Jennings in five minutes. Joy Taylor's joining me. Joy, how are you?

I'm doing good. So I saw this quote yesterday. It's great to have you, and thanks so much for joining us. A lot of choices out there. Magic Johnson says LeBron James is the best athlete in the world. I, of course, you would think would say yes. And I'm going to say, no, he's not. No, he's not.

First of all, Kyler Murray was a first pick in the NFL draft, and also in Major League Baseball. Was he a first round pick in Major League Baseball? Yeah, top 10. Okay, so that's proof, not opinion. And I'm into that these days. Proof, data, not opinion, not agendas. Secondly, Troy Aikman was drafted in baseball.

John Elway, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, believe it or not, James Winston. It is much more common than you think to be a great baseball pitcher and become a NFL quarterback because there's two, three things that align. First of all, arm talent. Got to have both. Hand-eye coordination.

Got to have it in baseball and football. And the other thing that I think can't be understated is agility. You don't have to be a burner in baseball. You don't have to be a burner as a quarterback. But if you're a middle infielder, you're a, you got to have agility in baseball. You've got to have agility as a quarterback in football. So a lot of people, and remember this, NBA players genetically, they look different. They're long.

I mean, I remember one time being in line at some place behind Powell Gasol. Balgasol. I'd never seen an athlete like that. The length. Hands, arms, legs, torso, fingers, length. Michael Jordan, I'll never forget this years ago when he was in baseball. There was a picture of he and Barry Bonds in the outfield. And I searched for it today and I couldn't find it. So it was Barry and Michael Jordan, two iconic guys in the outfield during spring training. They weren't next to, they were next to, they were next to, to each other, but they were in the distance. This was pre-steroids, Barry Bonds. Michael Jordan looked like a twig. Barry Bonds was ripped.

Take out LeBron James. Most NBA guys are skinny. Kevin Durant, Brandon Ingram. Seen those legs? That's not the way it works in baseball. Guys are trunky. I'll give you an example. LeBron James is 6-9-250.

He looks so much bigger. than almost every guy in the NBA not named Zion. If you look at LeBron during a basketball game, your eyes immediately go to him. He is just bigger, especially when he has the ball and he's being guarded by guards. They look tiny. LeBron 6-9-250.

By the way, Gronk was 6-6-265. Okay. So LeBron, by tight-end standards, would look much skinnier than Grunk. So you have to remember, NFL guys get one hit in the face from a free safety. They're sequestered out. The idea that LeBron, he chose basketball for a reason.

It was easier to dominate because he was such a physical specimen. It was much easier for LeBron to tower over and overpower basketball players. So I've always thought baseball and football, there's a connectivity. I can see 10 quarterbacks in the NFL. We got multiple guys that were drafted. There's a symmetry between agility needed, armed. talent. NBA guys, I know everybody thinks LeBron would be a great NFL player. Charles Barclay, he's a tough guy. Barclay says he went out for one high school football practice.

He got hit in the face and said, I'm out. It's like saying tough guys are great fighters. You'll see big, strong guys, like tough guys are good fighters, but you'd see a lot of guys that are big and strong. Ask how many would want to go UFC. Like your wiring's got to be different to walk into an octagon with 10,000 people and get into a fist fight, which you could be need in the eyes. Like there's a lot of psychology, and I don't think these NBA guys, you look at LeBronty, oh, it'd be a great football play. He played football in high school.

I've played football in high school. Okay, I've played football in high school. Get your bell rung in college. No, no, no. Get your bell rung in the NFL. These NBA guys say, oh, I'd be a great athlete. I'd be in the NFL. No, you have no idea what it's like to play in the NFL.

Once you play now in the cardio-driven, space-driven, no hard foul, no hand. hand check NBA, the NFL is a different galaxy. You've got to be tough, agile, willing to play through unbelievable pain. So I don't think LeBron's the best basketball, best athlete in the world. Right now, if I had a guess, I'd say Kyler Murray, number one picking the NFL, top 10 picking baseball. Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, I'd put right behind him. Greg Jennings played 10 NFL years, a Super Bowl champ and a multiple-time pro bowler. By the way, I got it. Okay, here we go. Brady wears number 12. And Chris Godwin for Tampa

wears number 12. And, you know, there's certain things in life, Greg, that you just, they go, you go out to dinner with your wife. You open the car door. You let her order first. You pull out her chair. You don't have to say these things.

It's unspoken. You do this. If you're Chris Godwin and Brady comes in, isn't it kind of an unspoken? You give him number. 12? It is and I'm spoken, but let me tell you, let me tell you how that works. Because you just, you just compare that to, you know, you go out to dinner, you open the car door, you pull out the chair, yeah, and then you get home and you have this idea of what you hope the night ends like, right?

That's, that's what we do. And so when you look at Chris Godwin, yes, I'm going to say all the right things, I'm going to say, yeah, man, that's Tom Brady. I'm going to give you that number. But at the end of the day, I hope he calls me, and we end this thing all right, and I hand over his jersey number, and he hands me something that I feel really good about. And we walk away, and our relationship is better because of it. Boy, you sound like Nick Wright this morning. I actually think you're right.

I think you do give the jersey up, and I do think, you know, hey, you like Mercedes, go pick whatever you want, no ceiling, go buy whatever you want. Would that be good enough? Is a car good enough? It's just any type of gesture that says, I appreciate you doing this because I know you haven't. Colin, it would be different if Chris Godwin was a third, fourth receiver, not playing much, just special teamer.

He's established. Like, he's put a lot of work in that number 12 in Tampa Bay. I know the work 12 put in and Tom Brady in New England, but Chris Godwin's like, man, I put my work in down here, and I still haven't gotten paid. So people identify me if they don't know I'm Chris Godwin. Number 12 is good. But now all of a sudden his number changes that that whole idea and his identity kind of changes with it. So we were looking at a stat today. Since the 2015 draft, there's been like 18 number one, 18 first round receivers.

one, one, Amari Cooper has delivered. And my argument is receivers hard to draft because so much of it is tied to where you land. Can your coach scheme you open? Do you have a quarterback that can hit you? You know, a running back comes into the NFL, and if you can hit a hole and block a little on third down, you're going to make it. If you're a cornerback, listen, man, you run a 4-3-8 and you can cover. You're going to make it in the league. in the NFL, you can be really talented,

but if you have a defensive-minded coach and a quarterback with no mobility and he can't get you open, like even a great receiver, it's really hard. So that's my theory on why it's very difficult. That's why even Belichick can't draft, you know, the system's so complex in New England,

they expect these 19, 20-year-old kids to walk in and figure it out like Nikiel Harry. It's just overwhelming. What is your takeaway on why first-round wide receivers last five, six years, they're just not hitting. You know, it's interesting. I look at this and I look at this list and it is just mind-blowing. The names on this list that just absolutely did not work out.

And I think it's what you just alluded to. It's all about where you land in the system and those around you. And in life, we all want to be in that ideal situation. We don't all have to be, but, most need to be, to be as effective and for us to pull out the most of who we really are. And I think that's what happens with a lot of these first round receivers. They get in situations with these bad teams, bad quarterbacks, and they're the saving grace, if you will, that is going to change and write the ship.

And it just doesn't work like that. When you're trying to get a dependent receiver that is dependent on the office. of lines blocking, a quarterback making sure he can get you the ball and throw it accurately, and then other things kind of coming into play for you to thrive, it's hard for that singular individual who is already dependent to write a ship. And I think that's what happens with a lot of these first round guys. They get in the bad situations, and it's just tough. It's just tough.

Greg Jennings joining us, a couple of Pro Bowl, Super Bowl, 10-year pro now he's a Fox Sports NFL analyst so you know I was looking there are stories multiple stories now from the Miami Herald which probably means the dolphins are telling the Miami Herald this that's not a shot at the reporter he's I'm sure a fine journalist but you don't get information unless somebody wants it out that the dolphins want to move up they want to take Burrow and they're willing to get 14 picks they could probably give six or seven so if you're the GM of Cincinnati burrow's a hometown kid he's going to sell a bunch of tickets he appears to be a lot of scouts think he's the best quarterback prospect,

but eight or nine picks is eight or nine picks. What would you do if you're CINCY? Man, if I'm Cincinnati, I would entertain it. I would definitely entertain it because they're not adding on to a house. They're building a house. Like, they're building, they're starting from scratch. Like, they have to rebuild. They have to find land.

They have to build. Like, where is we're starting to. to see the Miami Dolphins, although they've already started building their house. Now they're trying to make sure that they have the right things in addition to. And so the Miami Dolphins are looking at it like, look, all this news is coming out that Tula is looking good and he's medically cleared and all these great signs are looking up. Somebody may jump up and try to get them before we can even acquire him at number five. And if I'm Cincinnati, I need even more than just a quarterback.

You know you can get Joe Burrow, you know you can get two of it. But you need assets. You need draft picks. You need the Miami Dolphins have the best situation right now because they have so many drafts. They have three first rounders. They have three second rounders, a third round. Like they have so many, you said 15 plus picks in this draft. So they're going to make some great.

And they also have a lot of assets that will be intriguing to a team like the Cincinnati Bengals who wouldn't have to move that far down in the slot. Yeah, you know, it's a free agency period just wrapped up. Drafts coming up in three weeks. The free agency period is fascinating to me because there's a stat out there that about, I forget the exact number. I think it's like 33, 34% of free agents do not work. I mean, 33% of first round picks don't work,

but 33% of established free agents do not work. They're overpay. They don't fit. Give me, give me, now, Green Bay when you were there, they don't do a lot of free agents. But give me a couple of examples when you were in the league where a free agent to your team worked and a free agent to your team did not. Because fans are listening, they've got a lot of hope with all these new guys going to teams. And you and I know, Greg, some of these are just going to be highly paid semi-free agent busts and some will click.

Absolutely. When I look at it, my first year, my rookie year in Green Bay, I got drafted in 06, Charles Woodson came over from Oakland. And he had had a roller coaster career up to this point in the National Football League, some hot and some lows. And a lot of people just didn't think it was going to work. He even said it, I remember talking to him. He's like, man, people, they thought I was going to go to Green Bay and die. And it just, it worked. The system, the guys around him, he felt rejuvenated.

And it was like it revived his career. He gave him a second life. And the same can be said with a guy like Randy Moss. Yeah. Like he was in Oakland. He was with the Raiders. And then he goes to New England and he thrives. But for me, Charles Woodson was one of those situations where you do dump.

You back the brink stroke up on them because you know. if it hits, it's going to hit real big and real hard. And so there's other guys where you look at Namdi, I'm Asimwa, who goes, all these Oakland guys, goes from Oakland to the Philadelphia Eagles. And he's a shutdown corner with the Raiders. He goes to the Eagles, and we don't even hear about him anymore. He's out of the league, like two, three years later. It's like whatever happened.

it's a hit or miss. It's hit or miss with free agents. Yeah, I mean, a lot of it, Charles Woodson of the Packers worked because he'd been in a dysfunctional organization, and he moved to a functional organization. Good point. Yeah. I mean, I think that sometimes works where, you know, it's like, you know, there's a reason in adoption agencies. They do so much work because some of the kids come with really chaotic situations, and they want to put them in a home. where there's stability and there's joy and there's love.

The same could be said, it's not analogous, but the same could be said, if you come from a dysfunctional NFL franchise and move to a functional one like Maston, New England or Charles to Green Bay, you are so elevated, you are so happy as a player. You become a better listener. You become a better practice player. Charles was, I mean, Charles was probably trying to survive with the Raiders.

There's a big difference between trying to survive. Like you in Miami, By the time you got to Miami, hell, forget leadership. You just, you were trying to take me to Miami from Green Bay. You went from functional to dysfunctional. Yeah, very good point. That function and dysfunction, it's a real thing. And I think a lot of guys don't really know it and can't really identify it pending on where they are.

And I think the guys who are in dysfunction can identify what a functioning organization is supposedly. look like better than guys can identify dysfunction. And so going back to the Bengals, this is how they acquire free agents. The only way is if you acquire more assets, you get draft picks and you get high draft picks and they pop and they are splash athletes and they become now, they start to look sexy all over again. It's kind of reminiscent of what the Cleveland Brown has done. They haven't won, but they look sexy because they're.

acquiring these free agents that are now coming because Jarvis Landry's the Odell guys and they because they've been able to get draft picks to sell these free agents and say look we got this piece we got that piece all we need is this piece well you look at the Cincinnati Bengals they're like who who's who's gonna go they don't look sexy they're not doing anything to to even look like eye candy to any free agent so no one's going to even be attracted to their situation. So you've got to try to acquire some picks and hopefully they pan out. And that's what's going to make or draw free agents to your market and to your organization. Greg Jennings, are you home in Minneapolis, by the way? I am home in Minneapolis.

How is your state doing with the virus? You know what? It's not doing bad. We're on shutdown. We're on lockdown, obviously, for the next, they say two, three, three, weeks. We've pretty much tried to minimize it with the amount of contact we've had one another here, but it's a pretty healthy state. So just like everyone else, we're navigating ourselves through it and trying to figure out what the next move is going to be. And it's just kind of a waiting game. Yeah. Same here in California. We have great state leadership. It's a waiting game. We got in on it early and got out social distancing, which was really a good call by our governor. Greg Jennings, good talking to you.

Lifewise. You bet. By the way, if you want accurate information on it, COVID-19.healthdata.org. It's a ton of misinformation out there, a ton of opinions. We're finding stories today that another country misinterpreted, deceived their numbers. COVID-19. dot health data.org.

Accurate, not misinformation, real information. that's what I'm looking for. I don't want to hear about, that's the side I go to. I don't want to hear about any place. That's it. That's where I'm getting my information. With today's health concerns, more important than ever to take care of your body, MDrive Elite, Elite Testosterone, Elite Immune Support.

Go to mDrivefermen.com. Code heard 20% off your first order. Tom Brady's dad is talking about Tom Brady. Remember when Tom said, dad stop talking. Dad, you get emotional. Dad, stop talking. is talking again about his son. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

With today's health concerns, more important than ever, take care of your body. MDrive Elite. Go to MDrive for men.com. Immunity support, testosterone support. Good to have you in. So Tom Brady's dad is talking. Tom Brady always says, Dad, don't talk. Don't talk about my football. You get very emotional, dad. but Tom Brady Sr. is talking about the breakup between Tom Brady, the Patriots, and Bill Belichick. Bill's got a lot of responsibilities to keep the Patriots on track, and that is a bigger responsibility than keeping Tommy under the hood. You know, both of them have are mature individuals, and I really respect Bill's decision and respect Tommy's decision as well.

It's okay to take different paths. You don't have to stay joined it to hit. I mean, I can't tell you the hundreds of times that Tommy has said, Bill, is the best coach. You know, here's the thing about the relationship between star quarterback and head coach in the NFL. It's tough love. They call you out. They yell at you.

It doesn't work that way in the NBA. In the NBA, the coach yells at the star. The coach is gone. that's not a real relationship. A real relationship between you and your wife is that she gets an opinion too. And when she's upset with you, she can voice it. And you argue some days.

And some days it's tough love. That's authentic. That's real. That's how real relationships work. That's how it works in the NFL. Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers won a Super Bowl. There were times that didn't like each other. And there were times Brady and Belichick didn't like each other. But it was respectful and it was successful.

and they had their differences. And that's a real relationship. If you're married to somebody, the NBA is all about worshipping the star. James Harden tells Mike Dantone when they practice. They have to run it through the star.

It doesn't work that way in Green Bay with Aaron Rogers, and it doesn't work that way in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes. I don't necessarily think Kevin Durant having to be coddled at times in Golden State so he doesn't bail on us is healthy. And by the way,

The stars who are coddled in the NBA often bail anyway. Can you imagine being in a relationship? And all you do is you worship your partner and you never say bad things. You tell them how great they are. And they leave on you anyway. Is that a healthy relationship? A healthy relationship is you stay together through thick and thin. And both people get an opinion.

And some days my wife is furious at me. And I sit there and I take it. And then some days I'm not happy with her. and it's called like love and authenticity and real. The NBA is so stacked against the coach. I mean, coach of the year in the NBA is an unemployment slip halfway through the next season. Dwayne Casey did nothing but win, and he got whacked in Toronto. And so, you know, whenever we talk about the NBA and the NFL and, you know, Belichick, this and that,

I find the relationship between star and coach and the NFL to be much more real. It's like any relationship I've ever been in. My kids sometimes are furious with me. All right. They still love me. I still love them. But some days I don't want to see them. In the NBA, worship the star or you get run out of town.

That's not a real relationship. That is a power dynamic that is at its best conciliatory and fake. And at its worst, it's a con job. So when I see it's okay for employees to have power. But I should be able to say to my boss, I don't like what we're doing, and he should be able to say to me, this is why we're doing it. I don't want to have an uneven playing field, me having the advantage or him, her, ever. So I do think there are times the NBA is too much about the star.

It creates unhealthy relationships that often end anyway. Arguing is okay. Telling you why I'm dissatisfied is okay. Coddling and worshipping is not, if you want to keep it real, that's not real. Joy with the news. Joy Taylor with the news. Okay.

Is that not playing? I think he'll just go. Yeah. So the AFC East has been dominated by the Patriots since Tom Brady has been their quarterback. And now that he's out of the division, Bill's receiver, Isaiah McKenzie, is excited for his team to take a step up. The Brady situation, you know, I cheered because, you know, he's a great player. You can't take it away from him, you know, leaving. Our team is stacked.

And we've, last two years, we've been giving him a rough for his money. But now that he's gone, you know, it's got to be kind of, it's got to be kind of the bills time to take over and things like that. So, you know, I like it. Yeah, Brady is 32 and three against the bills in his career. Isn't that incredible? Say that he dominated the bills is probably a gross understanding. He also had, he had maybe one of his worst games ever in Buffalo one year.

I think he threw five picks. You could Google it and look it up. He had a horrible, horrible game in Buffalo about seven years ago. but by and large, 32 and 3. I'm not sure if there's a quarterback that's ever had. Well, because Brady's played so long. That's got to be the greatest winning percentage. Pittsburgh has crushed Cleveland through the years.

Yeah, but it's not as bad as this. This is dramatic. But it is all in the bills this year. The bills have no excuses. Tom Brady has gone. The dolphins are rebuilding. We don't know what the jets are yet. And the Patriots have stood them.

So this is the year. Like, let's see what you have. record, the bills have made the playoffs twice and three years. So they added Stefan Diggs to a improving offense. So this, it's not like, it's not disrespectful to New England to say Buffalo will absolutely be better and New England will be worse and they will probably win the division because they were a playoff team anyway last year. Right.

But they need to do more than just that. Like I think it's a given that they win the AFCs. But according to Fox bet, the patients are still the favorites to win the AFCs at plus one or five. and the bills are second at plus 150. Yeah, I think it's, yeah, totally disagree. So Kyle Allen, Josh Allen, and your guy, Sam Darnold are still getting some work in despite despite being stuck at home. Kyle Allen and Josh Allen are living together in Southern California with Darnold only 15 minutes

away. The three quarterbacks have been training with Jordan Palmer. They lift weights in a 40 square foot garage to make sure they practice social distancing as much as possible. And Kyle Allen also said one of the hardest parts of training during this time. is finding a place to throw. He also said it's pretty boring. Their workouts end around 1 p.m.

And then they play cards or video games and watch movies. So they're doing what everybody else is doing. They're just getting their workouts. I don't know how you've done it, but I've done my daughter and I are together at home. And she's a great roommate because she's, you know, self-reliant. So I get into this thing. I get home.

I have lunch. If it's warm out, you'll both kind of like lay outside in the sun or sit outside in the sun. And then I'll go for a run. go maybe for a run or a walk, and then we come back and we, like yesterday, we made oatmeal cookies. We have an assignment or something. And then we watch a movie and I pour a cocktail. And then she does like Instagram for an hour and a half and I'll go read for an hour and a half. And then we meet for dinner. And, you know, it's just you got to create a new schedule. And I think you and I have

said this. Outside, I don't get to play tennis anymore, which I'd like to do a couple times a week. Outside of that, I'm just trying to make the best of it. It's just the new normal. I'm just, I've got a little pattern here, and my wife says it do. She's like, it's a new pattern, but it's, it doesn't take you long. Don't be rigid. Just find kind of a new little pattern. And mentally, I think you can get through it. Yeah.

Again, I feel very blessed that I have this job and that you have this job and we're able to still do our jobs every single day. So it does take a big chunk of our day and energy to do our jobs. So to me, like the routine hasn't really changed very much for me other than, you know, obviously not going outside. But yeah, finding a routine and establishing a new routine, a new temporary routine, for me, has been very helpful mentally. And, like, you know, it just keeps your spirits up knowing that you have something to do later on in the day.

And, you know, don't, you know, sit around on the couch all day. So Tom Brady will continue to wear a number 12 for the Buccaneers. As we know, Chris Godwin, who previously wore the number offered it to Brady and will change number 14 this season. Tampa Bay also confirmed earlier this year that they will have new uniforms. for the 2020 season. And they announced yesterday that they will reveal the new look next Tuesday.

This will be the team's first uniform redesigned since 2014. Their 2014 uniforms, they've not been very, not a lot of success in those uniforms. So I think they're going to reveal a new one. Hopefully it will be absorbed a little better than the L.A. Rams logo change.

I didn't hate the Rams logo as much as everybody else. I think it's fine. The colors are the same. it was a little, I don't know, I looked at it, and there was like four variations of it. And like two of them, I was like, I'm fine with it. I'm good with it. I am not a fan, but I'm also a big jersey person. Like, I don't lose my mind with jersey changes, but like some people don't like change.

You know, we all know that. But I do think that it's time for the bucks change. I would like to see them go back to their original colors. I like their original. Oh, Lord. A pramiscical color. Now Seattle's, see, I grew up in Seattle. The Seahawks original uniforms, I think.

think are some of the best in league history. I didn't like their change at all. I like their change. Go back and look at Russell Wilson. It was on Instagram the other day. Russell, somebody put him in an old Seahawk uniform. God, it looks spectacular. No, Seahawks always have good uniforms.

Your throwbacks are good too. But so they're going to have Tom Brady. So new quarterback and new uniforms. You know who I like? You know who I like in the NFL? I like the Niners uniforms. I've always liked the Niners uniforms. You know why?

It's that the gold is a different gold, kind of the gold rush feel to it. Niners have always had, even in the 50s, always like the Niners Unis. Yeah, Niners look sharp. Good stuff, Joy with the News. Yeah, our computers are down. Coming up next, in honor of April Fool's Day, I'm going to give you, there's some doozies here, the most foolish trades in NBA history, and that is coming up. sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

Today's health concerns more than ever. Why don't you lean on MDrive, elite testosterone and immune support. Go to MDrive from n.com. Code Herd, 20% off. Refind your prime. So it's April Fool's Day today. I know most of you are not in a jokey mood. I totally understand that. Joe Taylor joining me. But it is April 1st, and we thought in best for last today, Joy, the most foolish trades in sports history. So I've said before, if your franchise is bad, it's often because your owner doesn't know what they're doing. And owners always finalized trades.

So here are the most foolish trades on April Fool's Day. Number one, the Red Sox trade Babe Ruth to the Yankees. The Red Sox would go 86 years without a title and the Yankees won four with Babe. But here's what's worse. They traded the best baseball player ever for $100 grand and a loan. That's because the owner of the Red Sox used the loan to finance musicals for his productions in New York. Change the direction of those franchises forever. The Hornets trade Kobe Bryant to the Lakers.

What did Charlotte get for him? Vlad de Vots, who played two seasons for Charlotte. And the late Kobe's one of the great players in league history. Oh, here's another great one by an ownership group. 76ers acquired Dr. Jay. So they bought the Sixers in Philadelphia at the time a very well-run franchise, bought Dr. Jay's contract for $3 million from the Nets. So the Nix in New York made the Nets pay them almost $5 million for invading the NICs territory.

So the Nets actually offered Dr. J to the NICs. and classic Knicks, they turned down Dr. Jay, who goes to the rival 76ers and wins an MVP. There's a championship, and he was an 11-time All-Star, and you could argue in the 70s was as iconic. He went from the ABA to the NBA, so the Knicks could have had him. And they said, no, I'm interested.

Philadelphia's like, we'll take him. And Philadelphia's franchise, if you remember the 70s in the NBA, Steve Jones, Dr. J. Caldwell Jones. Steve Mix, I think it was. Was it Steve Jones or Bobby Jones? Just Billy Cunningham was the coach.

It was a great time. How about Thunder trading James Harden to the Rockets? Here's what's weird about that. So they got a couple of first round picks. They got a Kevin Martin was a talented NBA player. And Jeremy Lamb, who didn't pan out. But the reason OKC really did it is because they wanted to avoid the luxury tax. But the luxury tax was going up that year anyway. So they probably could have wiggled around it

and paid a very little luxury tax. And had James Harden, OKC eventually, of course, Los Hardin, Westbrook, and Kevin Durant. That hurts, no titles. This is painful. Sonics trade Scotty Pepin to the Chicago Bulls. Most NBA diehards know that. The, the, Bulls got Scotty Pippin, the fifth overall pick for Olden Pauline's and a couple of draft picks. Olden was out of Seattle in three and a half years, average about seven a game. Scotty was the ultimate, the best Robin in league history to a Batman, ended up winning, you know, six titles. But they got Olden Paulinez and a couple of, you know, let me tell you something. If the Seattle Sonics get Scotty Pippen with the players they had, Seattle still has an NBA franchise.

because Seattle's probably got a couple, one or two. Yeah, I mean, they, Sean Payton, Sean Camp, Gary Payton, and Scotty Pippin. Yeah, I'd say they win some titles. And this is the all-timer. The St. Louis Hawks traded Bill Russell to the Boston Celtics. Boston won 11 titles with Bill Russell. I mean, it was the first.

The Yankees and the Celtics are the first real dynasties, maybe Notre Dame football in American sports. So here's how it happened. Bill Russell was a second pick in the draft. The first pick belonged to the Rochester Royals. But Red Ourback, the coach and GM of the Celtics said, listen, I'll give you the ice capades for your ownership group. I'll give you the ice capades if you don't take Bill Russell first.

And they ended up drafting not Bill Russell. They drafted like Cliff Hagen says here. Celtics won 11 titles. By the way, Rochester would move to Cincinnati the following year. So musicals, ice capades, and the New York Knicks passed up on Dr. J. There's a lot of bad ones. But as I looked over the really, really bad decisions,

it's owners have a real tie on this stuff. Not a lot of vision there. Not a lot of vision. It's funny that, so I grew up as an NBA fan, but I remember the ABA. And I never saw ABA games on TV. You just get occasional highlights or pictures or stuff. But Dr. Jay was like, and there were some good players in the ABA. There was like artist Gilmore.

Dan Issel was a very good player. But Dr. Jay was like just like crazy guy. Like swoopy. Look like a bird swooping and dunks and style. And it's like the Knicks in New York. Can you imagine how big Dr. Jay would have been in New York? Think about how big he was in Philadelphia. Like he was the guy that I could argue.

Dr. Jay was the first guy. Like I remember watching Laker games very early in Blazor games with Bill Walton. But Dr. Jay was the first player that was a highlight player. Like Jerry West was good. Gail Goodrich was good for the Lakers as a kid. But they weren't like you couldn't wait. You'd see Dr. Jay like a highlight. And it was like he didn't look like anybody else.

It was like nobody did that stuff. That didn't look like anybody else. Can you imagine how big he would have been in New York? Wow. So Bill Simmons came on earlier today for almost 30 minutes. We don't do that much. But now that we are in our radio studio, the show has a little more radio feel to it. And we have no games and no sports, right?

We have a lot of good topics, but we don't have games. So I've been bringing on Bob Costas, Bill Simmons, Mark Cuban, Charles Barkley, put them on 20 minutes, 25 minutes, second hour. And just Mike Schiafsky's in our second. an hour tomorrow. So we were talking, I'd interviewed Bill, and then at the very end, I'd talk about the Patriots, but I hadn't asked him about Tom Brady. And Bill said before he went, he said, wait, wait, wait, wait, time out. You're good. Let's talk Brady here. So he talked about Brady leaving New England after all these years. Why now? It's been 20 years. You have a chance to

have one of the all-time iconic drafted by a team finish your career with a team saying, Didn't you watch the reaction with Kobe in Los Angeles, how much he meant to people here because he stayed here the whole time and he settled here and all the connections he had? Like, what is better than that for a legacy? No. You're going to go to Tampa. You're going to play for Bruce Ariens. You're going to have a bunch of 75-year-olds in the stands and a team with no history.

Like, how do you do this? How is this how your career end? Yeah, I mean, you know, Michael Jordan quit in the prime of his career. that I didn't get. But when he quit and then went to the Wizards, that I really didn't get. But I think a lot of times for players, it's not really, you know, sports is very unique.

It'd be one thing like for me, if I ever retire and I'm like 68. Well, to be honest with you, I probably don't have the energy. I'm having two hour naps in the afternoon. I can only chew oatmeal. There are certain things that, like, you get to a point where physically your body is saying to you, hey, it's time to be over.

But it's different in sports because athletes are often contemplating retirement at 32. At 32, I had so much energy. You feel a little bit bulletproof at 32. Like, even if you're a pro athlete, you may be an NBA player, but, you know, you've got a bad knee, but you still, you look around at society and you're bigger and you're stronger. You don't have any wrinkles yet. You know, you feel like invincible. So for most people, when they contemplate retirement, your body's telling you, it's beaten down.

Your back hurts. You're tired of the drive. You know, you look at your retirement and you're like, you know, I've just, I don't love the job anymore. My job is changing. I get where pro athletes are like, the money's great. I'm 36. Now, in Brady's case, it's 42, but. he doesn't get hit much.

Tom's had one injury in his career. Like you get where Tom wakes up in the morning and is like, hey, listen, man, I had 4,000 yards last year with no receivers. I get where athletes are like, why would I, why would I retire? I mean, if they did an anti-aging pill, if there was an anti-aging pill. And I could feel like this for the next 25 years. It doesn't matter if I'm 80.

Why would I retire? If I felt like this, why would I retire? So athletes, it's hard to retire because generally you make that decision once the season's over. So a football player is not getting hit. He never feels better than like April. March, April. That's when Brady feels his very best. We had to make a decision March 15th.

So March 15th, Tom is like, God, I'm sleeping great. I've got no aches and pains. I get it. It's just it's a different dynamic with pro athletes, you know? You know how it is? If you're going to retire, there's going to be a physical. component joy to when you're done. Like you'll be just tired of the drive or you'll, you'll wake up one morning and you're like,

I'm exhausted. Yeah, but I have a whole plan. You do? Yeah. I mean, eventually you have to transition in this business, you know, you have to evolve. What's your plan? Is it secret? No, no.

I mean, you know, get my own network one day and make shows for other people. You'll be like Oprah. Yeah. All right. That's my plan. I don't know. You can come to my house in Hawaii. That's your other plan?

Well, you know, a few of them. Yeah, that's pretty good. So Mike Shosheski, Coach K, I'm all excited for that. We'll be joining us tomorrow on a Thursday. I got a knock on wood here, folks. It's been 5, 10, 13 shows with no sports. And I'm just so proud of our team and our staff and joy and everybody. I think we've been fairly entertaining.

I know there's not a lot out there, but we've got Coach K tomorrow on a couple of rants. I didn't get to today. So we hope to see you tomorrow. Thanks so much for choosing us. In LA, it's the herd.

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