The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NFL draft, rumors, sure things

Episode Date: April 23, 2020

Colin discusses the NFL draft, rumors of the Dolphins trying to move up, and players that should be a sure thing in the NFL. Guests include Jay Glazer, Daniel Jeremiah, Jordan Palmer, and Terry Bradshaw. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. It is NFL Draft Day. A beautiful Thursday in Los Angeles. Live, this is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Jay Glazer this hour on all the very latest.

There are so many late-breaking rumors and gossipy tidbits flying around this morning. I'm getting texts. I'm getting emails from people around the league. And Joy Taylor is joining me. Here we are, Joey. Thursday, how are you? I'm great. This is amazing.

I'm super excited. I can't believe it's here. I know. We need like, you know what we need to draft three weeks from now. With no games, this draft has been a life preserver for us. So here's the story. But this is like your Christmas. Yes, it is.

So the Dolphins have discussed trading for left guard Joe Tunney of the Patriots per report. The dolphins are exploring trading up to pick an offensive tackle according to a report. All right, here are my only two predictions for the draft. Joe Burroughs going number one to Cincinnati and Miami's going to win the night and the weekend. 14 picks, three in the first round, a New England connection, and this team knows what they're doing. It doesn't take long. Remember, the league is trying to help bad teams. That's why it's just inexplicable that the Browns have been this bad for 20 years.

It makes no sense. The league is trying to help you. They give you an easier schedule. They give you a franchise tag. Well, we can't afford this guy. All right, just franchise him. And they're still terrible. The Miami Dolphins, you can see it.

It is not hard to do. Bill Parcells did it four times. Overnight. Miami, Jets, New England. Overnight. Fix stuff. It's not that hard to do. So what do the dolphins do?

They hire a coach from a top system. Brian Flores, no nonsense guy, no noise guy, no drama guy. He goes out and he gets Byron Jones, Elite Corner, the one thing New England always pays for. goes out and gets Kyle Van Noy, high IQ veteran linebacker. He gets Shaq Lawson. He can stop the run. He can get the quarterback. He gets James Howard, or Jordan Howard, excuse me, the running back.

So he goes and solves a few issues, not necessarily superstar players, but, you know, little expensive. He gets guys who have been in the league. He gets veterans. And now he's got all these draft picks, 23 and two years, 14 this year, three first rounders. You can see the really smart rebuilds happening fast. you can see Andy Reed goes to Kansas City, and they're terrible. And he gets Alex Smith, and you're like, okay, Andy Reid, first thing he does is get a veteran quarterback,

and he comes in, and Alex Smith starts winning. They go 2 and 14 to 11 and 5, and they've been rolling since. You can see it, San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan. What did he do? First of all, they started building a defensive front. They inherited some good defensive front players. They start adding more. Then they have a good, Joe Staley's a good left tackle.

They make sure they get a right tackle from Notre Dame, Mike McGlensie, a road grader. And so you can see it happening. They're competitive with Nick Mullins at quarterback. They're losing, but you're like, they got their tackles. Then they get Garoppolo, the quarterback. He gets hurt, but they got the quarterback. They got defensive lines. So they're building lines, find the quarterback.

You can see it. Miami to me is the same thing, is that first thing they do, they get a coach from a winning system. Second thing they do, they create a culture. Where from week one getting crushed by Baltimore to the last nine games where they won five, they are, they get rid of some expensive guys, they get rid of head cases, they get younger, accumulate draft picks, first off season, they go get a corner. That's what the Patriots pay for, a former Patriot linebacker, you know, Shaq Lawson, Jordan Howard, guys who have played before know what the game's about.

Then here we go first round three picks. they know what they're doing and it's not hard to do. Bill Parcells has done this. He's done it literally four times. And you look at Cincinnati and they can't get the owner and the GM and the coach last 15 years. It didn't feel like they get it right last 10 years. And then there's Cleveland where there's all this noise and they can't get the stuff at the top right. It's a bunch of chaos.

Miami's going to draft the quarterback tonight, which one I don't know. Miami's going to draft an offensive tackle tonight. Which one, I don't know. But it's amazing. Houston, even when they win, noisy. Cleveland, losing, noisy. Noise is bad in this league. And here is Miami.

No nonsense. Quiet, covert operation. Get draft picks. Smart veterans. This is how you do it. Not a lot of noise. Anybody that's nonsense, they get rid of. Anybody that's noisy, they get rid of.

They're not interested. And as they're supposed to be tanking, they're competing and building a culture. Again, two things to know about this league in the NFL. You can rebuild it fast. This is not Major League Baseball, where if you just don't have enough good arms, you can't get people out. It may take five years of drafting and acquisitions, and some small markets can't afford to get great pitching. I mean, let's be honest. Baseball has no salary cap.

So you can want pitching, and you get outbid by the Astros and the Red Sox and the Dodgers and the Yankees and teams with money. It also takes a long time if you don't buy pitchers to develop pitchers. so baseball can take forever, six, seven, eight years to rebuild. NBA, you need star players. I mean, you can draft a bunch of really nice players, but if you can't put the ball in the bucket against good teams, you can't win. Again, there's a salary cap,

but there are some teams that aren't attractive to free agents. The NFL's different. You can turn the roster over. Bill Parcell's in Miami. One win, 11 win as GM. They have one win team, one in 15, 11 the next year. Turned over 35% of his roster. Got rid of the bad guys, got the good guys,

accumulate draft picks, hit a couple of them, boom. Second thing is the NFL is trying to help you. They're trying. They created a franchise tag. We can't afford this good player. Just franchise tag him. A player leaves you, like Tom Brady leaves you, you get a compensatory pick. The schedule, if you're a fourth place team, you play another fourth place team.

And make it easy for you. By the way, there is no draft lottery. like the NBA. In the NFL, if you're bad, you get a great pick. In the NBA, you can be bad. Ping pong ball goes the wrong way. You got the seventh pick. First six players are gone. So that's why it's to me. I want to see, do you compete? Do you get better over the course of the season? Miami, first game of the year. Didn't they lose like 59 nothing to Lamar Jackson? They were terrible. By the end of the year, they won five a nine. So they got better in season. Then free agent. I don't hear noise. I got a bunch of draft picks. So there's a new story out today.

This just broke. Okay, elevator music. Okay, here's the story. Perl league source, Miami's trying to get the number three pick from Detroit. The dolphins aren't trying to get the third from the lions without giving up a fifth pick. Instead, the dolphins believe that a potential godfather offered to the Bengals for the first overall pick would be harder to refuse if the dolphins offered both the number three and the number five as part of the package. So they want Joe Burrell.

They're trying to get the third without giving up the fifth so they can go to the Bengals and say, here's two top five. Give us number one. The Bengals won't do that. Bengals have no courage. I mean, I love Marvin Lewis, but they kept him like two years too long.

They didn't want to fire him. They never make any moves in the draft. They're not a courageous organization. That's not what the Bengals are. New England's all over the place. Philadelphia's wild risky. Rams take big. shots. Raiders over the years have taken. Bingles don't. Bingles are very safe. They're like

Cincinnati. They've got nice apple bees. I've probably got a Chili's there. It's very nice people. They tuck their pants, shirts into their pants. It's very Cincinnati. Very nice people in Cincinnati. They got good chili, a nice airport. People don't swear. They're very nice people. They're not big. They're very, you know, they don't take big risk. It's not a big risk town. It ain't L.A. It ain't Philly.

I mean, you look at some of these teams, New England rolls the dice. Philadelphia is hyper aggressive. The Rams are just throwing stuff out there. Seattle will take big swings. That's not Cincinnati. Okay. I have another story here that, you know, I got to be honest with you. I have so much.

I'm not even going to get to half of this stuff today. I'm not even going to get to half of it. But coming up next, he's called risky. He's called the most interesting pick in the draft. And I think to myself, he's not that risky. And he was actually in the draft last year. My bad. He was actually in the draft two years ago, just two years ago.

And he's now really good. and he's a playoff quarterback and everybody's saying this kid is, oh, I got his massive risks. I think the NFL's making a big mistake. And if this kid doesn't go in the first round, I think people are making a mistake. I'll talk about that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

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Quote, there's just too much bad tape. A first round pick shouldn't struggle so much against the Mountain West. In the four games, they played top 25 teams. He was oh for four. He said, I just don't see it. All right, because that's funny, because Josh Allen two years ago who played in the Mountain West was also terrible when he played the two decent top 25 teams, Oregon and Iowa. I watched both. He was terrible. And Josh Allen was also big like Jordan Love. He was wild. He was at athletic. He actually got worse his last year in college, like Jordan Love. Jordan loves a more talented Josh Allen. Here's the things we said about Josh Allen. I looked him up this morning. Big, mobile athletic, huge arms, maturity issues, bad tape, got worse,

his last season in college. That's what they said about Josh Allen. That's what they say about Jordan Love. Josh Allen at Wyoming, same conference as Jordan Love, never completed more than 56.3% of his throws in college. That's terrible. His yards per attempt went down. His quarterback rating went down. His touchdowns were almost cut in half. Isn't this about do you trust where he goes?

Josh Allen, he goes to Buffalo. Excellent GM. We've been saying this for two years. Excellent coach, excellent GM. In fact, Josh Allen, they, knocked him for, there was some racist tweets, immaturity. Jordan Love smoked a bowl in January,

got caught, maturity issues. I think they're both immature, but they're both issues, right? They were both flagged for it. Racist tweets, guys smoking. Pot in January, he knows he's going to get drafted. How bad the judge? It's the same guy.

Big athletic, big hands, big arm, rifle arm, effortless thrower. Perfect NFL body can move around, throw on the run. Sorry, but it's the same conference. And Josh Allen struggled mightily. He had bad tape. He was bad the two times they played good teams, Oregon, and Iowa.

All I know is when I watch Jordan Love, when I watch tape of him and I see pictures of him, that's an NFL quarterback. If he goes to the Patriots, Packers, Saints, or a Chargers later, with the players and the coaches, it's going to be fine. If he goes to the Jags, Bingles, not so fine. We know two years ago, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen went to good staff stability. They've been excellent. Darnold and Baker-Mayfield, talented guys, go to instability, worse teams, not as excellent. I look at two years ago, Josh Allen, this morning I go and I look at all the criticisms of him.

Immaturity, reckless, bad against good teams. Josh Allen had bad games against bad Mountain West teams. Well, Jordan Love, I got two texts a month ago. Like, he was terrible against Air Force. Josh Allen was terrible at his own conference. So Peter King talked about it earlier. People are flummoxed on him. I say he'll be as good as the place he lands.

He's one of the most polarizing players in the draft. You know, as one GM told me this weekend, though, look, not Mahomes, but he's tremendously instinctive. He's an exciting player. And he really is one of these guys who win the right system. could probably be coached exceedingly well and could turn into a good quarterback. That's what I see. I think so much of this is landing spot.

What's your offensive line like? At the top of next hour, I'm going to tell you the five players in this draft, I just don't see busting. I think you'll be surprised. And the five players in this league who are highly touted, I think could bust. That's at the top of next hour. Joy Taylor with the news. This is the herd line news.

Well, Rob Garnkowski is making his NFL return after one year of retirements and a little bit of time in WWE in a title, 24-7 title. But he says he's about 15 pounds under his playing weights and he's confident he can add some back before the season starts. I'm 250. I feel good. My body feels good. And I definitely worked over the last year too. It's not like I, you know, I've taken off and have done nothing. I mean, my body at some points, there was a good month or two where I didn't do anything, actually.

My body just needed that time to rest, needed that time to heal. To put on 10 pounds to get the 260, I think will be pretty easy if I need to get back up there, which I feel like I kind of want to. I mean, it just takes a couple extra protein shakes with some extra almond butter, some extra blueberries. You know, you just got to load it up and have a couple shakes a day on top of all your meals to put that weight back on. I love. Gronk is just, matter of fact, it's not that tough, folks. But he's right.

He is considerably underweight. When you see him, he looks different than when he was playing football. But he also said towards the end of his time in the NFL before he retired, he wasn't feeling well. His body wasn't feeling well. So it's going to be a different balance for him having a year off to have to put on a little bit more weight. But what's the right amount of weight to balance out his joints? and be able to play physically, how he usually does, but also not in a way that makes him uncomfortable

and kind of forced him out of the league to begin with. So he definitely does need to put on a little bit of weight, and he knows how to do that. For all of Gronk's craziness and gronkness, he's been excellent with taking care of his body because he's had so many injuries he's had to navigate. So he knows what to do to put the weight back on in a healthy way. And again, he's not going to be asked to do heavy lifting.

He's not there for that. He's there for a couple clutch moments. and to help ease the transition from Tom Brady to a new team. I think it's such a smart move to have Grunk there. If for nothing else than making Tom comfortable, he's the perfect matter-of-fact guy to help the rest of the team understand how Tom moves. It's also now the deepest tight-in group in the NFL.

So you're not asking Gromk to be great in September and October. Frankly, he's, you know, if I said to you, Gronk had this game at the Superdome in overtime, and he was unbelievable. And that was, and that gave you a ninth win, and it got you to the playoffs. That's worth $10 million. Of course. That is worth, that one great game against, like, the Saints to get you in, the owners of Tampa Bay are like, wow, that was $10 million for us to get into the playoffs.

Remember, Gronk had two great moments. Like, like, was it last year of the year before? Super Bowl Rams, Chiefs down near the goal line, he made that catch. That was it. He had two huge catches in the two biggest games. He was worth every penny all year because of those two catches. Well, that's all you need because only Gronk can make that happen when Gronk is playing at that level, when he can reach that point. So Clemsons, Isaiah Simmons is a player that you like very much, and he's expected to be drafted early in the first round tonight.

He's very confident in what he can bring to whichever team selects him. He's listed as a linebacker, but he can play multiple defensive positions. And he thinks that's one of his biggest advantages as a prospect. He said, you only get 53 on a roster. And I feel like if you draft me, you've got 56. That's funny. It's a really great quote by him. He said he's heard a couple interesting descriptions of himself.

People have called him an alien or a unicorn, whatever it is, whatever position he ends up landing in. And maybe it isn't a set position. You know, guys do move around on the defensive side of the ball. They, they, if you are that athletic and versatile, you can be moved around. So I, I think he is, he's an interesting prospect because it kind of, he's out of the box, you know, like you, you want to select someone. Okay, they're going to fit this role. But sometimes a guy is just so talented and athletic, you got to take the risk that you don't know what role he's going to fit yet.

Totally agree. I, I think the defensive coach he gets will be. key because I think he's a complex player and you'll need a complex problem solving coach to figure it out because a lot of people think he's best at safety. So to me, he'll be as good as his coach. But his natural skills are, I mean, just turn the tape on Clemson. He's on every other play feels like he's in it. It's a disruptor. Finally, Ed Orgeron had a front row seat for Joe Burroughs record breaking season at LSU. And even though Burrow will face some adversity as an NFL rookie, Orgeron believes he's ready for the challenge. He said, I think that Joe has not had a silver spoon in his mouth all his life.

I think Joe has had to fight all his life. And I think if he does have to fight, he's willing to fight for that. And he's willing to build a team. And he's willing to go through the adversity if he has to. Nothing was promised to him here at LSU. He came here with faith and build a championship team. And I don't see why he couldn't do it at Cincinnati. I would say that this is a very nice endorsement by Ed Orgeron. The difference is at the NFL level, there are a lot of factors that are very, very far outside of Joe Burroughs control. Well, LSU last year had more good players than anybody in college football.

Cincinnati's got fewer good players than anybody in their own division. So the difference is then it was just don't wreck the Mercedes. Now it's, hey, dude, put this team on your shoulders. you know, it's a whole different ballgame. I think talent-wise, the two divisions in the NFL, they're crazy, are the AFC North, which the Bengals are in, and the NFC West, Seahawks, Rams, 49ers, Arizona. I mean, just you could be a fourth-place team

and have multiple probe overs. And you're just overwhelmed by it. Well, yeah, so the talent disparity, obviously, is going to be a huge difference for him. But the thing that I'm with you on is, the division. That division, and it's why I must, I don't know what to make of the Browns this year. Where do I? Okay. Great. But you've got the Steelers are getting Ben Rothersberger back and the Ravens. And the first thing that you have to do is when your division, it's a really tough division with great defenses in it.

Yeah. I know the Ravens are going to win it and the Bengals will be last. I don't know what to make of the Steelers and I don't know what to make of the Browns. I mean, honestly, I feel, I've done this already with all the social distancing and isolation. I've already picked all my division. But that's that division. I don't know what I get from Big Ben. He's 38. He's never been in great shape. How does his body recover? No idea.

And frankly, if they can solve left tackle for Cleveland, my God, that roster is great. It's just fantastic. They've solved all their issues if they get a left tackle and a linebacker. I mean, that's about it. That's about all we are going to be watching all their games, though. It's going to be a lot of great football. That's good. Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So top of 30 minutes from now, I'm going to give you my five guys who I just see no chance of a bust. I think they're going to be very productive. And five guys I worry about that I'm not rooting for a bust, but if the fit's not right, I just don't know. Jay Glazer is joining us, sponsored by Mercedes Benz the best or nothing. He'll be on the Fox Sports Radio 8 Eastern NFL draft first round with Joel Clatt and Peter Schrager.

Okay. You know, I wake up this morning. I hear the dolphins want to move up, Jay. I'm like, holy, my mock drafts are already in flames. What do you make of all the noise around Miami this morning? Well, first of all, it doesn't matter what they want to try and trade up for it. To number one, not happening. Okay.

Not happening. Not happening. No, Cincinnati's going to know-boro. Not happening. Okay. And the way Cincinnati looks at it is, number one, he's a culture changer. Change the cultures there at OSU. I think you can do it in Cincinnati.

Number two, the thought process is if you know, you really truly in your heart believe he's your franchise quarterback of the future, is there really a price for that? Right. Because life in this league is horrible when you don't have a quarterback. So if you know, if you really in your heart believe, that's our franchise quarterback for the next 10 plus years, there really isn't in their mind a price that is worth a gamble when they don't think he's a game. gamble. Now the number two big is Washington this week on Fox football now. Washington is getting calls and you said specifically from one team. Yep. Well, no, several teams, but a team all the way back in the Atlanta Falcons try to go all the way up and it was for Chase Young. But it's interesting because Washington, everybody was called, they made no bones about it. They think it's a generational

player. And Chase Young has kind of stopped taking phone calls from other teams. There are teams today that are still trying to talk to Chase Young. They want to make sure they get on the phone with him. But it's like he knows he's going to Washington. Why bother? You know, it's almost like, I'll tell you a funny draft story, is Jared Gough was in meeting with the Eagles when he was coming out. And all of a sudden, while he was sitting there in his meeting with the Eagles,

at their facility, it was announced that the Rams had traded up, you know, to number one. And Jared Gow's interest talking to the Eagles that day was just like, okay, we're done here. Yeah. So I think change those are in a similar position. Now, Detroit has the number three pick. Right. After things get interesting. Okay.

So Matt Patricia wants players. He wants to win. Bob Quinn probably wants talent. You know, he wants draft picks. You say it's interesting. How so? Because I think three, well, three and four both could be for sale. So I know four, definitely, the Giants are hoping to drop down a few spots.

Okay. I would still think that the lions, if they could, pick up also a couple of spots because there are, you know, usually, Colin, drafts have, let's say, five elite players, six elite. Yeah. And then there's a drop, you know, for the next few, and then there's a big drop. Right. That's not the case in this draft.

This draft, you go all the way into, you know, the teams with players that you think are really difference makers. It's not just five of them. It goes on and on and on. And, you know, the depth that you have in this draft, certain positions, like you receive for a position, it's so deep you can get guys later. Running back, very deep later on.

It's really a strong draft for, you know, offensive tackle. There's four really foul ones, strong ones, all the way up high, right? And then a couple right behind them. So, you know, you don't have to sit there and go, oh, my God, I got to get it to number four because it drops off after five. Let me throw a crazy one at you with the L.A. Chargers. They like Tyrod Taylor, and I think they have the facilities to win.

I think they think they have the personnel. Is there a chance that, you know, Burrough goes, and they like either to or Herbert, and Miami takes one of those, and they just say, we're not taking a quarterback. We'll move down, get more draft picks. Because by the way, they got a lot of really good players in the last year of a contract. Is there a possibility, in your opinion, the Chargers could shock all of us and say, listen, we wanted Herbert, Miami took them,

we're moving out of the number six spot. Well, you still need your quarterback in the future. Tyra Taylor is not your quarterback for the future. Still need that. Do you believe the Chargers, because they're not going to get Burrow? Do you believe they feel, Do you believe they feel strongly about either Tua or Herbert?

I do. I do. Not saying that's where they're going to go. Because it's interesting. Everybody has Miami and the Chargers is like the same thing. Tackling quarterback. Tackling quarterback. Three keep hearing.

Tackling quarterback. And again, you get those four tackles up high and then there's a little drop. So even like Miami, like Miami, everybody's sitting early. you know look let's go to Detroit everybody had a coup to go into Detroit right from the combine on right now all of a sudden this week people are convinced it's brown from Auburn

and now people are starting to go back to a coupta today but this whole week was brown it just went boom brown Patricia's guy now all of a sudden today it's going back to Akuta so you know what's a consensus has always been is that both those teams want tackle quarterback quarterback tackle let's see which way

they go one of them may just think that one of these tackles is a can't miss prospect. One of them, they think, no, I can tell you this, that three and four are trying to get everybody to think that teams are trying to trade up for one of those quarterbacks. So that's the other thing. That's the subterfuge of the draft. Part of what you're trying to do as a GM personal director today is making sure you pick the right players.

And the other part is setting out the right smoke screens that there are teams that want to go up to move for a certain quarterback. You could hopefully get great draft maneuver. Like with the 49ers did a couple years ago with the Bears. They played it perfectly. New England needs a quarterback for the future. They may have one. Yeah, come on.

Oh, boy. No, they may have one. No, no, no, no. They may have one. They may have their guy. So you don't think, if I said to you, Jordan Love goes in the first round. It would probably be mid to late.

And I said, okay, who do you? I mean, I don't think Green Bay. Initially, I thought, you know, Green Bay should take him and sit in, but you've got to give Aaron Rogers more players. Come on, he's got three, 40 great years left. Let's get Aaron players. Yeah, and I know that, yeah, and well, you got to help them on defense also. Yes.

Yes. I mean. Their defense got cut as last year in the championship game. And then, yeah, you could always help, you know, try and give him some more. and a couple receivers I know they love over there. And offensive line, always, always. So Jordan Love, if I said goes late first round. So here's the thing that Jordan Love.

At the Combine, his agent, whoever it was, did a great job. And every other insider I saw were talking about, oh, my gosh, this guy's flying all the way up in the top 10. Man, he could be one of the top. He may be the second or third quarterback taking him like, oh, man, this is like, this is a really good job on his. people's part. But Jordan Love had an awful on interceptions and

he got popped before a bowl game and it makes people go what is his cat thinking? So I'm not as high on Jordan Love as the rest of the world. Or the rest of the world

seem to be, but just all the teams I talk to. And I'm like getting me Look, I don't make, let me be clear. I don't make my draft judgments off of anything that I watch, because I know I'm not as smart as the guys who do this every day of their lives. So I'm smart enough to know that the guy who's sitting there stuck in his basement, watching film, that's who I'm going to make my board based on him,

but also talk to 100 other people that do exactly what he's doing, and then try and get my consensus of where my board's going to go. And then I put everything through Joel Klapp, who's just amazing. And Joel and I have sat and done this now for the last, you know, however many years together. So I go on his, I take his top 50 first with my process, and then I go to every team. And then I start helping him move around what his top 50 was based on what all these teams are doing. But Joel's pretty damn good at what he does.

And I just kind of come up from my own thing based on, you know, how much I have talked to these personal directors. By the way. So the personnel director is where I'm getting all these feelings of Jordan Love. Tua. And the GMs and the head coaches. Tua. Do you think there's a chance he falls out of the top ten? Yes.

Yeah. I mean, here's the thing also. Like only because of the year, Colin, if this is a different year where you could, I mean, you're talking about top ten franchise quarterback, and you need to really, it's not just a hip. it's the hip and the ankles and, you know, even the surgery you had for the ankles, the tightrope surgery

that it was, you know, it was, it was, they elected to do that to get them back sooner. When you, when you put them all together and your doctors and your team and your trainers who are all subjective don't have the opportunity to take and put them to do all sorts of a jules

and really scalp and look and pull and poke and prod there's a lot. You know, you have to just have faith that he's going to be. Yeah. That's a lot to have faith in. There's no doubt he is special. Yeah.

He is a special, special player. No doubt. But this year, when you can't pull a guy in, you know these guys. Normally we talk about paralysis by overanalysis. They get too much information. Now we're not getting enough information. You're just going on for what other doctors have said. Jay Glazer, Fox Sports Radio Tonight, Draft 8 Eastern.

Jay, good talking to you. You too, brother. Thank you. You bet. Top of the hour, the five players, I think, are almost incapable of busting. And five players in the first round, I think you have to worry about. Coming up next, the Dallas Cowboys, will they have the easiest, lowest stress night? of all the teams. Why I think it's possible, the Cowboys. Put the boots up on the desk.

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You just buy a boat to have fun. You don't buy a boat as an investment. You don't buy it. You understand. You get it. It's for your kids. It's good times. It's beers and a lake.

Mock draft. You don't do it for accuracy. You do it for fun because we're all going to be like wrong 95% of the time. But they are fun and I read them all year and they're interesting content. Mine's already done. I already know I have a mistake in the first four. Who cares? Jerry Jones, Dallas Cowboys have the 17th pick, said he's going to draft at home alone with nobody to stop.

them. I actually think the Cowboys are going to have a very predictable draft. I think it's one of the easy ones. They have to rebuild their secondary. They need a corner. They lost Byron Jones and they need a safety. And I believe both will be available. First of all, the best safety out there, Xavier McKinney, will be available at 17. So if they want a safety, get him. I think corners and you do too are probably more valuables than safeties on average, unless you have a Jamal Adams or an Ed reader a Durwin James type athlete. And I think there'll be one of the two really good corners there. C.J. Henderson is one of the really good corners.

So I think the Cowboys draft is pretty simple. We got to rebuild our secondary. The safety will be there. If the corner we like is there is about two to three corners in this draft that are pretty good. And if one of the two are there, take him. Because I think they have a lot of things solved in Dallas. I do not think they have the secondary solved in a division with Carson Wentz,

in a conference with Carson Wentz and Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers and Jimmy Garapolo and Matt Ryan and now Tom Brady and Drew Breeze. You can't have a bad secondary. It's almost like in baseball. You cannot win a World Series with a bad bullpen. You can't be leaking runs 7th, 8th, and 9th inning and win a World Series. Say what you want about the Yankees talent in the 90s. Mariano Rivera closed the door.

That's why you win 4'3. You can't leak runs at the end of a playoff series or in games. Same in the NFL. If you're awful in the back end, Baltimore's secondary this year is going to be unbelievable. It makes up for a lot of mistakes in coverage. If you just have guys who can make up speed, world-class athletes, Dallas is secondary right now? It's bad. They got to fix safety and they've got to fix corner and they're going to do it in the first round.

Here's some teams, I think, can trade down. Obviously Detroit, number three. They want to trade down. I mean, they're throwing rumors out. I think the L.A. Chargers at six. if they like Herbert or Tua, one of the two in Miami takes that player before them. Tyrod Taylor for a year, move down, get Jordan Love.

He's not going to play for a year. Tyrod Taylor, smart guy, can be a good mentor. I think the New York Jets, they're a fascinating team to me. So my favorite corners, one of the guys I have questions about is Mackay Beckton, the offensive tackle. I don't think the Jets love him. And I don't think, I think there's a risk there. If you're the Jets and Jedrick Willis is gone,

and Worf's is gone from Iowa, and, you know, the guys you really like, and Andrew Thomas, Georgia, who I think is my second favorite tackle, if he's gone and you need a tackle and you think Beckton's a big risk, although talented, you're 11, just move down. You can get Josh Jones at 18. You can get Austin Jackson maybe in the 20s.

I think the Jets are a team that unless one of the three tackles they really like is available, just move down and get a guy like Austin Jackson, who's going to be a 10-year pro, but he's not like Jedrick Wills ready to play today, or Andrew Thomas, ready to play today. So those are the teams. I think Dallas is a really simple draft. We need a safety. We need a corner. If the safeties, if the corners are gone, we'll take the safety.

If one of the corners we like is there, we take the corner. But Dallas doesn't have a lot of real weaknesses. I mean, they're not going to be as good at center with Travis Frederick retiring. Their defensive line, they could certainly go in that direction. But I don't think in the NFC, even in their own division, I just don't think with Carson Wentz in your division, you can be bad in the secondary. Because I don't think their defensive line is great. So they're not going to get a lot of pressure on Philadelphia. And you know Philadelphia in this draft's going wide receiver.

So, I mean, Carson Wentz beat you with no weapons. He's certainly going to beat you with a bad secondary. A secondary that's now worse with more weapons. We know that. So top of the hour, my five players, I don't think can bust. My five, I'd be concerned about. I also saw this. You know, Sean Payton talked about this a little bit yesterday.

And it's not worth more than a couple minutes, but Sean Peyton talked about, he told his players, just get healthy, take care of yourself, come in good shape. It's really a grown-up message. Just come to camp in the best shape of your life. And it puts the responsibility on the players. I think the one thing I know I'm certain about this year, the veteran coaches and the veteran quarterbacks who work together, they're going to win.

If you have a coach and a quarterback who have worked together two or three years, Mahalms and Andy Reid, Lamar Jackson going into his third year with Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Drew Brees, Pete Carroll, Russell, Wilson, Garoppolo, now Kyle Shanahan, such a big advantage. such a big advantage this year. No OTAs. We're probably going to get a truncated fall camp. I think you can look at this year as the year of the veteran coach quarterback combos.

If you got at least two years together, you know, this is your third or beyond. What a huge, huge advantage with, you know, the strangest NFL early season, at least, in our lives. Daniel Jeremiah, Jordan Palmer, Terry Bradshaw, too, The Herd. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and F.S. one Daniel Jeremiah. Former NFL scout, NFL network analyst also works the Chargers broadcast. We'll be joining us. He does a terrific job. Joy Taylor is joining me and Joy, how are you on a

Thursday? The NFL draft, of course, is tonight. I'm great. I'm very excited. Looking forward to it. I think it's going to be a really great night for everyone, and I think it's going to be probably one of the most memorable drafts of our lifetime. We're not going to forget this one.

Yeah, the Jordan documentary got over 6 million viewers, so I suspect this will get 10 to 12 million viewers, which the draft for the NFL will destroy every NBA game played this year, and that's what stars. You only put the star teams on TV. That's the kind of influence that this virus will have on TV viewing is, and for the record, you know, I watched Netflix for about, you know, two weeks. I'm Netflixed out. I'm Hulued out.

I mean, there's only so many movies. I'm now trying to watch movies. I wasn't interested when they were. were out a year ago. Right. So I watched one last night. I'm halfway through it. I'm like out.

Just not much out there. So here are, you know, mock drafts are fun. Here are the five players, though. And here's what's funny about this draft. We know a half a dozen first round picks are not going to be very good. Like, you know it. Have the courage to admit your team screwed up. You know, five of these guys, I mean, go look at the last, last, last, last

five drafts, 80% of the wide receivers have either been a bust or underachieved. Like 80%. But yet if you insinuate a guy could bust, oh, my, you're a hater. Five drafts. Last five, wide receivers. Go look. That's just one position. Here's the five guys, I think.

It would be hard for me to see them bust. Jeff Okuda, cornerback Ohio State. great, no penalties, catch-up speed. Watch his video in football games. Watch his practice video. He just doesn't look like other guys. He can catch with one hand. He's fast. He's quick. He can be physical. I just don't see a bust. I think you can put him in physical, put him on an island. I think the second guy, my favorite offensive lineman is Jedrick Wills from Alabama. Left tackle, right tackle. Typical Alabama offensive lineman. Gamer, move him all around. I know he's faced the best pass rushers in college football in the SEC.

Third guy is Jerry Judy. Somebody a couple days ago said, oh, what about his injury? He hasn't missed a practice at Alabama in two years. Has it missed games? I think he's amazing. I think his ability to plant his foot, come back, I think his speed.

He made SEC corners, easily the best conference in the country for corners. He had his way with him. And that was a lot of double teams. I think the fourth guy is Chase Young at Ohio State. wasn't overly productive last couple of college games. But if he goes to Ron Rivera, a guy who knows how to generate a pass rush

without great pass rushers, I can't see him missing. And the guy that I don't understand why he doesn't get more love, he's not flashy. Andrew Thomas, the Georgia left tackle, that looks like a 10-year pro and a four-time pro bowler. Big, good feet, not splashy. Just, again, SEC's facing the best pass rushers in America. and handles all of them.

Those five guys, I just, I don't see a bust barring an injury. Here's, now, now, and by the way, Ohio State, a Georgia guy and two Bamas. That means those guys were in the most talent-rich programs in the country. Bama, Georgia, Ohio State. And they stood out, they stood out in talent-rich five-star programs. Now, here are the five players that worry me. Mackay Beckton, offensive tackle. At one point, he was at 390 pounds.

just back feet injuries. He had a flag and a drug test. He didn't go against a lot of elite pass rushers in a bad conference outside of Clemson, the ACC. He's got a high ceiling, but I see whenever I see guys with weight issues, that's when you're in college and have no money. What happens when you can order pizza every night?

I worry about him. I worry about Henry Ruggs, who the things I read is unbelievable athlete, has trouble with physical coverage. Well, you know what that tells me? NFL teams are going to throw physical coverage at him. Is he a one-trick pony? Speed, nothing else. I worry about C.D. Lamb. Every time I see a video, every time, wide open, drag routes, Big 12 pillow fight defenses. I know he's talented. But a lot of these receivers in the last five drafts, 80% underachiever whiff. He also has a great coach in Lincoln Riley. I also saw him against Jeff Gladney, arguably the best corner in the big

12, and he had two catches. Another guy I worry about who I think is unbelievable is Isaiah Simmons. I think he's great. But doesn't it depend that he gets the right coach? He doesn't have a position. I mean, you know, you know and I know. How many great defensive coordinators aren't there in the NFL? If I said 10, 12, that means 20 guys aren't.

And there's a big gap between great coaches in the NFL and the average coach. What if Isaiah Simmons gets a coach that just doesn't know where to put him? You know, again, I think if he, you know, he landed, you know, in Seattle some way with Pete Carroll. He'd be great. You know, there's a lot of defensive guy. Sean McDermott, he'd be great, Ron Rivera. But I don't think those teams will get him. And number five, and I like him, Joe Burrow.

Anytime a guy is seen as a savior to a poorly run franchise, I have my doubts. I think between Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Cleveland, that's the best defensive conference in football. Look at the pass rushers. I could make a pro bowl level team defensively just off the Ravens, Browns, and Steelers players. I could make a pro bowl defense up. The pass rushers, the corners, the linebackers, the edge rushers. It's not that Joe Burl's not a good prospect. What if he gets sack 49 times?

He doesn't have Cam's body. He didn't have Big Ben's body. He didn't have Andrew Luck's body. I'm not saying these guys are busts. I'm saying I worry about where they're going. I worry about maybe their weight. You know, Rugs is not a physical player. I worry about guys like that.

I, the one player, like Jeff Okuda at Ohio State, if he doesn't get hurt, I don't see how he busts. Every time I've watched him play, he's an NFL player in the Big Ten. That's what he looked like last year. Just that he was an, you know, an NFL player playing corner against Wisconsin receivers. That's what he looked like to me.

Daniel Jeremiah is a former scout. At Move the Sticks is his Twitter account, and he released his final mock draft last night. All right, so you have Joe Burrell Bengals won. Dolphins go Justin Herbert. Chargers go Tua. So do you think the Chargers like Tua, or that's the guy that will be left for the Chargers, and they don't have the draft capital to move up? I got the sense, Colin, that they were comfortable with either guy.

Now, we'll see how it all unfolds tonight, but I got the sense they were comfortable. with Justin Herbert because of, you know, his athleticism and some of the stuff they want to do moving around with the quarterback in their new offense. So that makes sense for them with him. And then with Tua, you know, they view him kind of as that point guard. I'm just going to sit back there and be able to distribute. And they got a pretty good group of weapons. So I think they were comfortable with either one, which led me to believe they don't trade up that they'll stick. And then that puts the decision squarely in Miami's hands. And I'll be honest with you, Colin. I mean, if you ask me my confidence level of what Miami's going to do, it's not very high because nothing's getting out. I mean, you just, I just know that there's some support for both players in their organization, and I just gave the tie to the healthier guy. Yeah. So Josh Allen comes out of the NFL out of college two years ago, out of the Mountain West. He had an immaturity issue with some racist tweets. He got a little bit worse his last year. His completion percentage was never over 56.3%. He had bad tape. He was terrible in the two games against Oregon, Iowa, good competition. And I hear Jordan. Love and I hear all the same criticisms.

Ah, he smoked pot in January immature. Well, I heard that with Josh Allen. And I look at him and Josh Allen and I see big, strong arm, mobile, athletic, big hands, little immature. And I think both, to me, feel that they're as good as where they land. Josh Allen landed with the very capable

Sean McDermott and that staff. I look at Jordan Love. Is he that far removed from all the questions we had about Josh Allen? No, it's an interesting comparison. And I think there's some points to be made there. I would just add, you know, Josh Allen and his last year was plus 10 in the turnover ratio. Jordan Love was plus three.

I would say that Josh Allen is a better athlete. They're both, Jordan loves a good athlete. Josh Allen was an aggressive runner, like a physical runner. So I give him the edge there. I think Jordan loves a better passer. You know, I think he's more skilled as a passer, has more touch than Josh Allen. Wow. The difference I would say, though, Colin, is that Josh Allen, when he, you know, I know he had the,

what you mentioned about the tweets and all that stuff. But going through the spring process, Josh Allen ate the test, man. A lot of teams really fell in love with him. And I didn't get that same sense in the spring. After the season ended, that Jordan Love was kind of able to close the deal as well as Josh Allen did.

Okay. So you and I have a major disagreement. And of course, you're a scout, so you're right. It's not that I don't like C.D. Lamb. I saw him against Jeff Gladney. TCU. By the way, Gary Patterson at TCU is a tremendous defensive coach. And there's not many in that. There's not many in the Big 12. He's a terrific coach. Gladdened he's a terrific corner. And C.D. Lamb only had a couple of catches. Now, people say he was banged up. But I do worry, I look at a guy from a great program, Oklahoma, with a great schemer in Lincoln Riley. I see all these busts the last five years with first round wide receivers. Why do you love C.D. Lamb more than Jerry Judy? Well, I can go back, and I know a lot of people talk about the Big 12 being a seven-on-seven league, and I don't dispute that. But all I can do is judge him what he did there, which was dominate.

And then when he got a chance to go outside the conference in 2018 against Alabama, who last I checked had some pretty good corners, he was eight for a buck-0-9. This year, he got a chance to go up against LSU, which last I checked, that's the best corner in the country. We'll see him next year or Stingley. And then they also have a Christian Fulton who could go in the first round. He goes four for a buck 19 in that one. So outside of the TCU game, and I would just say when you take one game like that, give you an example, Michael Pittman, right? And you follow SCU, you know it well. He goes against Utah and he catches 10 balls and wins the game by himself.

So the next game against Notre Dame, he catches two passes. Well, you talk to Brian Kelly, and he said, play over the top of him the whole game. He said, we're not going to let Michael Pittman beat us. So when you have Gary Patterson, who's one of the best defensive minds in college football, if they want to take away one guy, they can take away one guy. All right. Okay, so here are my lowest bust risk. Like, I just can't see just, you know, barring an injury.

Yeah. And one guy I like way more than everybody else. Chase Young, Jeff Okuda, Jedrick Wills is my favorite tackle, Jerry Judy. I like Andrew Thomas. I don't understand. I see him like some guys draft them at 12, 13. I really like him. So those are my five guys that I just don't see a bust.

I think they're smart. They were dominant players at programs filled with five-star guys, and they were still better than them. What do you think about my low bust rate list? I like it for the most part. The only one that I would maybe dispute a little bit would be Andrew Thomas, and I know you like him, and there's some teams that really like him. I have him at the fourth tackle.

I've thought, look, you can watch, you can go watch him against Murray State. I mean, that's, you know, that's a lower level opponent, and he gets beat in that game. He just, I don't think he's an elite athlete. He's in a run-heavy Georgia offense, and he has a dominating run blocker, outstanding, big, powerful, strong dude. But some of the redirect stuff and pass protection, when you're going against some elite speed, that to me just worried me a little bit with him. I think he's got a high floor. I think he's going to be a good player.

But, you know, you take him in the top five. I'm not sure you're going to feel great about getting a top five talent there. with him. Jeff Okuda is a home run. That one's easy for me. Who are the other ones? Yeah, Chase Young's easy. Jedrick. Jedrick Wills. Jedrick Wills is the one that's ready to play right now. So if you say who's the best tackle next year when all four these guys get on the field will be Jedrick Wills. And he is really good. He's my second tackle. I'm higher on Mackay Bechtin than you are. But I mean, I got a chance to be around and I'm not saying he's this guy. But I was with the Ravens,

when we had Jonathan Ogden. And when Jonathan Ogden was nicked up, when Jonathan Ogden didn't feel good, Jonathan Ogden was still 6-9, 350 pounds, and you can't get through him. And that's the way I feel about this kid. And I know people have talked about the weight. I know the guy who trains him down in Texas.

So I had him send me a proof of weight video, almost like a proof of life video. So as of yesterday, he was 363, which is a little bit lighter than he wasn't at the combine. So he's not 400 pounds. Okay. So the guy, and again, I'm not saying these guys are busts,

But there's stuff that worries me. Mackay Beckton's weight. C.D. Lamb, Big 12. Joe Burrell's organization. Isaiah Simmons position. Henry Ruggs. Here's a guy. By the way, I've read this with you and I've read this with Lance Zerline.

Guys, I respect. He can be, you can push him around a little, not great with physical play. And I see that with Henry Rugs and I think, that's what everybody's going to do in the NFL. They're going to get in his face. You're going to have to put him in motion. Is there anybody on my, on my, I'm concerned. I hate calling him busts. I'm concerned list.

Is there any of those you agree with and think? I got some questions. Well, I think Ruggs is an interesting conversation. I think you have to know what you're bringing him in to do. And when you're going to bring him to run verticals, to run those deep overroutes, to get him the ball on bubble screens and tunnel screens, get the ball in his hands and let him go, I think that's what you're going to get and you're going to love it.

But if you're going to ask him to go out there and run every single route on the tree and be your kind of number one in that regard, you're not. The only thing I would challenge is while he does have some difficulty with press at times, he's not going to see much of it because what's that old phrase or whatever? If you come at the king, you best not miss. If you don't get your hands on him, it's a touchdown because you ain't going to catch him. Daniel Jeremiah, by the way, he'll be the 2020 NFL draft, ESPN NFL Network ABC starting tonight at 8 Eastern.

He released his final mock draft last night. I was saying mock drafts are like boats. nobody buys a boat as an investment. You just buy it for fun. You know you're going to lose money. Nobody does a mock draft really for accuracy, because even guys like you are going to miss some, but it is fun.

And I love reading them. I love doing mine. And I just know it's going to implode. My last question is with Miami. When you have that much draft capital, not just this year, Daniel, next year. So they have like 23 picks and a, lot. I think it's like nine first and second round picks or somewhere thereabouts the next two

years. That would lead me to believe that they can roll the dice on this stuff. When you look at Miami's roster, I do think they have some interesting wide receiver talent. I do. And I love Byron Jones at Carter and Van Noy. But if I said to you next two years, where do they really have to get better in Miami? Because that will lead me to where I think they're going. Where do they have to get better. Well, I definitely believe you're leading the witness here because the offensive line jumps out at you. I mean, they just aren't good up there across the board.

It's bad. Bad. Okay. But definitely leading the witness, Colin, 100% leading the witness to that result. But here's my, here's be my counter to that. Did you trade an all pro, mind you, all pro offensive tackle and an all pro-free safety so you could go get more picks and hope that you get players at those positions that are as good. To me, you did all that so that you could get your quarterback to change your franchise.

So that to me is why I hear all to talk about them trading up for a tackle. That would be my only pushback there on that point. Yeah. Well, there's also you could, let's be honest about this, Daniel. Let me ask you about Austin Jackson, left tackle USC. I don't think he's one of the best, but if I got him at 18, I mean, he's super athletic. I don't think he's very strong. but I do think he's athletic as hell.

I mean, you could solve the offensive tackle issue for Miami at 25, couldn't you? Yeah, I actually was tempted to give them Austin Jackson and then turn around and give him another tackle with 26. Just go, you know, if you want to go quarterback, then go tackle, tackle, and then let those guys grow up together. But I do want to leave it this one, Colin. You talked about the mock drafts. In years past, I've waited until the night before, and I've got all my last minute information. And then sometimes it's good, sometimes it's best. I turned in my last mock draft on Sunday afternoon and I slept like a baby.

Really? You're not going to get them right. So why stress about it? We don't know what's going on. Just turn it in. Stop worrying about it. You're going to look like an idiot either way. You might as well, you'd just be done with it.

I did mine yesterday. It already stinks. This morning I woke up. I got 10 phone calls on Monday that destroyed everything that I'd put together on Sunday. And I said, no, I'm not going back and doing it again. That's it. It's out. I'm done.

Good talking to you, buddy. love your work. Thanks, Colin. I appreciate you, man. All right. At Move the Sticks. He's just terrific. He was a scout for the Eagles, Browns, Ravens. Yeah, he's going to be more right than me. That's for sure. No, I literally woke up this morning. I'm like, God, I hate my mock draft. It's terrible. It was like a 12 hours old. I already hate it.

Terrible. Uh, uh, oh, oh, oh, oh, phone. Oh, my God. Oh, here we go. I'm surprised we haven't had more of these these week this week. Someone text calling. He picks up his phone in the middle of the show, reads it

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Folks, five of the last, in the last 10 years, the number one pick, the last decade, five of the first six are out of the league or don't have a job. And two of the last four are headed that way. Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Eric Fisher, Gedavian Clowny, James Winston, Jared Gough, Miles Garrett, Baker, Mayfield, and Kyler Murray. And if Baker doesn't hit this year with this new staff, he's in big trouble. They're going to be done with it.

If he makes any more off-field missteps, he doesn't get the interceptions down. They're done with Baker. There's been too many mistakes so far. Donald will get another year. Adam Gase will get fire if he struggles because Donald's been such a good kid. He's worked so hard. There's been no calling out the medical staff missteps and nonsense. So, you know, when I, everybody's like, oh, how can you call Joe Burrow?

You seen him? Does he look like Cam or Big Ben where he can take 49 sacks? Have you seen the Brown's defense, the Steelers defense, the Ravens' secondary, the Brown's pass rush, the Steelers front seven? And that's, and we also know Cincinnati could have the worst coach in the division. They do have the worst owner in the division. And their front office hasn't been historically great. Yikes, Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I'm not in love with that list, Colin. What's that? It's not my favorite list of the top, the number one overall picks. It's kind of crazy to think about. Well, you also, a lot of times the number one pick,

Joy, is seen as the savior. Right. Okay, if a franchise needs a savior, what does that tell you about the business? There's a reason why they're picking number one overall. I mean, again, how good would you have to be as a broadcaster to overcome a bad business? Maybe Howard Stern could do it. Maybe Oprah could do it.

But I mean, most of us in this space, even the people that have done very well, if you have bad management, it's over. Yeah, because you have no control over that. So 12 NFL teams started their virtual offseason programs this week. But the Saints were not one of them. Sean Payton told his players that New Orleans is choosing not. to hold an off-season program. GM Mickey Loomis confirmed the decision saying they are trusting their players will put in the work to stay in shape on their own. They want players to focus on their health and safety during this time and be ready to go

whenever training camp can start. Some teams have been holding virtual workouts and things like that for their players. This just tells me that the Saints are fully comfortable in the veterans that they have and the players that they have and that they already understand and know the system and know what they need to do to be in shape whenever all of this eases up and they can get back together and work out. Veteran teams, veteran coaches and coaches that are returning with the same coordinator quarterback are going to be at advantage this year. And that's just the circumstances everyone is dealing with.

Gail Benson, good owner, Mickey Loomis, great GM, Sean Payton, Hall of Fame coach, Drew Bree's first Hall of Fame quarterback. When I always say this, if in those four positions, owner GM coach quarterback, you are an A to an A minus or a B plus in all of them, this is going to be the year that you have an additional edge simply in stability. I mean, the New York Giants have a young quarterback and a new coach. The Cincinnati Bengals have a young coach and a new quarterback. Like Bingles Giants and there's really good people above them. Like the Giants and the Bingles, it's like this is the worst time for a, you know, a disruption.

Right, like those teams would be at an advantage in a normal year. Yeah. Because they aren't having to install a new offense and teach a rookie how to be a pro and all those things. But I will say, at least I personally, will take this all into consideration once the season gets going, that there are just certain teams that are going to be behind the curve because of everything that's happening. and I'm not going to hold that against them. We just have to consider how we're evaluating everything this year just a little more lightly. That's not, there's a difference between excuses and reasons, and this circumstance is a reason.

So the Bears originally said they were committed to Mitchell Trebisky as their starter in 2020. Remember that? Yeah, sure. Well, they've slowly backed away from that stance over the last few months, and they even traded for Nick Foles to create some competition. And now GM Ryan Pace says they could even take another quarterback in the draft. Yeah, I think, you know, you know, you know, we're always going to take Pat the best player available. So if a quarterback was there and he was the highest guy on our board and, you know, in a strong way, we would consider that.

I think we'd consider every position. Let's face it, the draft is risky enough. When you deviate from taking best player, I think you just increase your risk. Yeah. So he's kind of going with the rake over the milk arguments being that if you already have a rake, but the rake's on sale and it's a great rake. you don't buy it because you actually need milk. I think that's a condensed version of your analogy for the draft and taking the best player available. If you're a bad team, a bottom third team, just take athletes.

Like just figure out where they go. Or like Carolina is rebuilding their defense. Just get the best athlete defensively. But if you're a team like the Chargers and you don't have a lot of needs, you got to get, or like Philadelphia. Philadelphia needs speed at wide receiver. Here's my argument on this, Joy. So let's say I'm Philadelphia and I the one place I'm desperate is wide receiver.

So I have a wide receiver 43rd on my board. What I don't need is a, for instance, a defensive tackle with them. And he is a, he is 33rd on my board. Who do I take? I take the receiver because. Yeah, of course. So to me, this idea that you just have this like linear group, this list and you just go, best guy available.

If guys are close and you desperately need speed at wide receiver, what the Eagles do, then you've got to take the wide receiver. Right. I mean, if they're close, if somebody that would say at the top and the top three on your board somehow managed to drop to you, then that's a different conversation. Right. But why would that happen? If Chase Young's available at 13, draft him.

Right. But that's not going to happen. Jeff Okuda is available at eight. I mean, outside of the chargers who have three corners, you would have to take Jeff Okuda if he's available at six. Outside, and the chargers are probably an exception where they have multiple good corners. Yeah, that's the only way that that

philosophy works. But more importantly, I think Mitchell Trubisky's days in Chicago are numbered. That seems to be the messaging that's coming out of there. Finally, Rob Gruncowski is getting a new start in Tampa Bay with Brady. Tompa Bay. Is that what they were calling it? That's so bad. Was that awful?

So bad. After nine years of the Patriots, he said he learned a lot in New England, but it wasn't always easy to play. there. I'm not going to sit here and say it's an easy organization to play for. And I've also never played for another organization. I haven't even been down to Tampa yet.

So I'm not even sure what to expect. But I know that, you know, that the New England Patriots, hands down, I mean, it is not the easiest place to play, but it gets you right, gets you mentally right, gets you physically right. And what I've learned there is I'm definitely going to take it with me, with my future, and whatever I have present to this day, I'm definitely going to take what I've learned in the New England Patriots organization under the coach Belichick, Mr. Krabb and everyone there and apply it to my daily life, big time.

Everything isn't for everybody. That's right. I do think that the Patriots way worked as poetically as it did because its main guy, Tom Brady, who just happened to be excellence, bought completely into the philosophy. and if he's buying into it, nobody on that team is better than him, so how are you really going to go against it? I don't know if that hardcore philosophy and style and culture

works moving forward because it's a new generation of people and you have to find a specific level of talent that buys 100% into what you're doing in order for that whole thing to work. I remain skeptical of that. It's not that I don't think that it works. It clearly works, but you have to have the right pieces on the field and in the locker room in order to make it work.

Tim Duncan bought into Popovich's system titles. Kauai Leonard did not buy into the system one title. So, you know, not every athlete's the same. These are kids. These are 22, 23-year-old kids. They're all malleable and changing. And the idea that you can get a Russell Wilson, who is the most coachable, the hardest working, the smartest.

Dad goes to Dartmouth. Like, those guys are like once a day. decade. Those may be once a franchise player. Seattle may never, never draft the quarterback in a hundred years that literally is as good as Russell Wilson,

family's Ivy League, you know, grandpa's a school president. And, oh, by the way, he got drafted by baseball teams. I mean, that's just sometimes Tom Brady is just, oh, that'll never happen again. That's what I'm saying. It's not that I don't think Bill Belichick's not a great coach

and that this culture and idea doesn't work. it's that you also need the talent to believe in what you're saying, that that same level of talent. And the other guys in the locker room have to look at him and say, yeah, he's that good that it's working for him. I'm going to do it too. Good stuff. Good stuff. Joy with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly news. Okay, as a former NFL quarterback and the quarterback coach, perhaps I'm thinking of the country, Jordan Palmer, is around the corner. The NFL draft is tonight. So many more things to say. to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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And he played six years in the NFL. You know his brother, of course, Carson Palmer. Jordan's one of the really smart guys. joining us here on a Thursday. The draft is tonight. You know, I made the comparison earlier that people say, oh, Jordan Love has some bad tape, and he made a mistake with the marijuana. And I said, you know, Josh Allen had bad tape. Josh Allen's last year in college wasn't quite as good as his other previous year. He had some tweets that were regrettable. But like Jordan Love, he was big, strong athletic, big hands, big arm, mobile. And he went to a really good

spot. I don't know. When you look at Jordan Love from the Mountain West, do you see any Josh Allen from the Mountain West? Yeah, I do. I think you're spot on with the way that the college career played out. The second of last year was better than the last year. I'd say the same for Sam Darnold. I would say the same for Jared Stidham, for sure. He won the Iron Bowl, his sophomore year, you know, his junior year. It's very, very common, right? This is right place, right time thing. And also in college football, when you have a big year, a lot of times those coaches leave and get promoted. And they go. Yes.

And you've got new staff, new people, and you're left with one more. I call guys in their last year of college. That's your contract year. And so you're left in a contract year with a new situation. And that's just super common. And so I think you got to look at the good tape and don't worry about when it happened. But what are you getting on the good tape? And then, yeah, you evaluate the bad tape and you figure out why did those bad things happen?

And, you know, with Jordan, he had 17 picks. Three of them were not his fault, but 14 were on tape. You look at it and you go, man, 14 of these are on him. But if you really do the research, and I spent a lot of time with Jordan, you know, he's put a lot of time in a situation where they're kind of just expecting him to make a play while they're down 21. And so, yeah, he's throwing it up for grabs. But if you put him in a good situation where you're teaching him where to go with the ball and there's options, I don't think he throws the ball up for grabs.

And so it was very situational where I don't see that happening if he can get into a good spot and sit behind somebody who's done it for a while. If he can do that for a year and they can put kind of some guardrails around him, then I think you've got a really, really talented, really sharp player. You know, it's really fascinating. You say, look at the good tape. Don't be paralyzed by the bad tape. And I could certainly make the argument. That kind of mindset is life. if I was trying to hire somebody in radio

and I heard the good tape and I'm like, holy hell she or he is really, really, when they're on, they are an afternoon drive host in New York but why do they have bad tape? And I would go, well, maybe they have crappy producers. So your takeaway is don't, if the guy can do great things, that's the guy. Do you worry about the good tape?

That's a, because Josh Allen, by the way, coming out, I saw a three-minute reel on Josh Allen coming out. He looked like Hercules. He's making absurd throws. Now, do you buy the Jordan Love Patrick Mahomes comp? Well, I think real quick on the last point, I would just say, don't pay so much attention to the chronological order of the events. Okay. Just because the good happened before the bad doesn't mean he's getting worse.

That's my point with that, right? And so it just extract the individual things, the good and the bad and make evaluations off those less about when it happened. and similar with Patrick Mahomes. I spent a lot of time on Patrick when he was this age as well. And I think there's some things that there's, if there's a Venn diagram, okay, two circles, they overlap. On the Patrick's, on the part where they overlap, it's physical. It's that they can throw from multiple arm angles really efficiently, meaning they get a ton out of it with very little wasted movement, and they create a lot of velocity.

And they can do that pretty consistently at this point. Patrick's gotten more consistent through repetition. as will Jordan get more consistent to repetition. The parts where they don't overlap. You know, Patrick played when he was in high school and college, he was always in shootouts. He always had to throw three, four, five, six touchdowns to win the game. And when you get in a shootout mentality,

and that's kind of the way he's always played, you've got to do two things. You have to be aggressive, and you cannot turn the ball over because if you do, you're giving the other team seven points. That's why you're in a shootout because your team can't stop them. Yeah. And so Patrick had all these years.

years of being aggressive and smart. Jordan hasn't had that. They were pretty good as sophomore year. Then last year they weren't that good, but they didn't always score points. And so that's a part where I go, there is a difference. The third difference is Patrick is very creative. His family's creative. He's always been a creative guy.

He's always been a great student. And he plays the game. He sees things that other people don't see. He's very creative how he plays the game. And so there's some things that I like the comparison between those two. And then there's somewhere, you know, teams are going to go, I miss on Mahomes. Let me go back and look at the tape and what did I miss on. The physical stuff is where they'll see some of that in Jordan.

The rest of it is where good evaluators won't see that, and other evaluators won't know to look for it. How important is where you land? I think it's huge. I think it goes without saying, right? I mean, it's massive. You want to go to a great organization that's won multiple Super Bowl. You look at the Giants and you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers

and you look at some of these franchises, you go, man, I'd love to play for that team. But my take on it is a little different. I think it really comes down to ego. And I've heard you talk about this in terms of basketball dynasties breaking up, right? I think it's similar in terms of building a franchise quarterback. Because coaches, when they break down tape and they look at a player, and let's just say it's a coach looking at a quarterback, they a lot of times look at it from the perspective or pretty much every time look at it from the perspective of, How does this guy fit in my system with what I do?

But I think good ownership groups and good front offices don't look at it in terms of how does this player fit in our system? They look at it and they go, is this player worthy of us building our system around? And so look at our reigning MVP of the NFL. It's not, they didn't take Lamar Jackson because they like little fast guys. He replaced Joe Flacco, who they used the first round pick and got a Super Bowl out of. they don't have a guy that type of quarterback they have a guy

they think they can build around and with Joe they had a defense and tack where they needed a quarterback who could facilitate the defense similar to our mutual friend Trent Dilfer but with with Baltimore what they did now as they said hold on this guy we can build around

and they bring in Greg Roman as the officer coordinator who's with Kaepernick and San Fran they draft guys out of schools like Oklahoma Hollywood Brown Mark Andrews they build this thing around this player and so when the look at Joe Burrow going number one to Cincinnati as you assume number one pick.

It's less about how does he fit in Zach Taylor's system. It's more about are the Bengals ready to build this thing around him and do it the right way? Minute left. How's Joe Burrow looked the last time you worked out with him? He looks like the number one pick. Oh, boy. I think because this year's number one pick mentally and emotionally is different than players that I've been around and different than anybody in this drop class.

And so how he looks throwing on the field, he looks great. All these guys right now, I mean, they're just, they're tired of throwing routes on air, right? But we've talked about this. The things with Joe, it comes down to confidence and maturity. Those are the two things where my eye goes when I'm evaluating anybody at the top of the draft. And the maturity is not, you know, saying yes, sir, and being polite news and manners, the maturity is handling crazy situations as if you've handled them before. and the confidence is

getting to a point where it doesn't really matter what the current situation is or what's going to happen. My confidence is independent of the environment. I believe these things about myself. And I think Joe knows a lot about good and bad in Cincinnati and all the teams, right? We had a lot of time to evaluate everything. And I think Joe is going to step into this really, really confidently

and I think they can build it around them. You're a smart guy. Jordan Palmer, you know, me and you, me and your brother should go fly fishing. That would be a nice invite. No kidding. Believe it or not, since Carson's retirement, he'd be the one he's damn near a guide at this point. Well, I need one.

Good talking to you, Jordan. Thanks, Colin. Jordan Palmer. Just full of smart stuff. I like that idea. Look at the good tape. Don't worry about the order of it. If a guy is great, they're great. During the draft, we recognize the best. Lowe's doing the same. Their associates have stepped up during the

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Terry Bradshaw's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Oh, here we go. It's our three. We're live in L.A. This is The Hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. So Terry Bradshaw is going to join us in five minutes. Terry Bradshaw actually has a new song. And I've already listened to it. It's Terry. It's funny. And I told my staff that one of the one things I've always wanted to do is write a song. And I can't read music so I couldn't. But Bradshaw's the only like, can you write a song if you can't read music? Yeah, absolutely. All right. So I want to write a song.

It's like I've always wanted, you know, you listen to music and I'm like, I think I could write a song. It probably helped if I could read music. Do you have, Joy? I think it would help more if you could play an instrument. I can't do that. I can't play it. Can you sing? Oh, no, no, no, no.

I'm not writing it for me. I'm writing it for somebody else. I don't want to sing it. Yeah, I don't like. So you just want to get in your feelings real quick? Yeah. Yeah, I just want to get my feelings. I want to rock.

Do you sing, Joy? I grew up in church, so I used to sing in the choir and sing in church, and I'd go to, like, nursing homes and stuff like that and sing. But then I hit puberty, and I was no longer a cute little kid. It's a no, I can't sing. I took voice lessons and guitar lessons and piano lessons. I do not have a musical bone in my body, no. All right. You can sing the shower.

Yeah. But I think you should go for it. You got the time, right? Yeah. Once the draft is over. When's Bradshaw here about five minutes? Oh, he's here now? Oh, he's on the phone right now.

Oh, I'm ready. I want to talk to Bradshaw. So the other day, he called me. Or I think maybe I called him, I can't remember. Or maybe I was texting him. And so he basically, first of all, Terry, I'm not going to play your song yet. I'm going to give me a couple minutes before I get the song. But tell the people, tell the people, so you're sitting home doing nothing,

Terry Bradshaw, and your wife says something to you, right? What she said? She did. I was in the office doing an interview with a great journalist named Buddy Martin, who I've known for 30 years. And she said, honey, I said, what? I'm going quarantine crazy. I said, buddy, just a second. Oh, my God, babe, that's a hit song.

I got a. I hung up the phone. I came into the kitchen, and I sat down, and I said, here how this song has to go. This song has to be about a guy who will never take time with his family.

He's always making excuses, how he's going to spend more time, and then he doesn't. He says he needs to play golf to get the stress off of the week's work. And then football season comes around. He's got to watch his sports. He's got to play golf.

He's got to go hunting. He never takes time time for his family, has excuses. And that's how the song was laid out. and I called Jimmy Yuri. I said, I got a song for you. And then I described the song to him. He said, I got it.

Two days later, he played it for me. And that's the song. I got on a plane. We put an engineer in a small room so we were safe, wiped everything down. Tammy and I flew in, went straight to the tiny studio with two people, Jimmy Uri, and Jacob, our engineer. I sang the song nine times when out the door and came home. That's how we did it.

Okay, so I want to play it right now. And now, now just let me play. I've already played it two or three times. So I'm going to play the song, and then I have questions after that. Are you ready to let me play the song? Play the song. I got nothing to do, Colin. Okay.

I'm here for you all day long. Okay, this is Terry Bradshaw's song, Quarantine Crazy. Terry, by the way, has toured for years. and every time I go to Vegas, he's on a billboard. So here it is, let's play the tape. That is really good. I told you. I'm like, you're talented.

I would love to write a song for you, but I can't write, I can't read music. Can you write a song if you can't read music? Yes. Sure. Yeah, you can do that. A lot of people. I mean, writing, it's a strict kind of ways to do it. You can be a stylist.

You can be an idea of person. which is pretty much what I am, and then I can give that to Jimmy Uri, who writes the music and the lyrics. But while he's doing it, I can contribute with the lyrics. Melody-wise, no, I have a hard time with that. And that's why I marvel at these songwriters to come up with these incredible melody. So much of our music today is just a repeat, repeat, repeat. And every now and then, when you have a Georgia, I'll love you till the day you died, when you have songs that are just so distinctively different,

I like to kiss the lips that once kissed mine. When you have songs like that, you stop because they are so different. And so that's a great talent that a writer has, but you can write songs and not have a clue. You're going to write songs without having a guitar or being able to play an instrument. Who's your favorite country Western star of all time? Alan Jackson. Yeah.

really Paulin Jackson and then I was a huge Glenn Campbell fan huge back in the 70s I was Merle Haggard Glenn Campbell what about George straight people like him yeah I really like George straight um I tell you Garth Brooks one year sent me a black and white picture of himself autographed and said I'm Garth Brooks and I'm going to be a country music star someday so I gave it and I took it and framed it and kept it. And then I sent him one in color. I'm Terry Bradshaw. He was a javelin thrower to Oklahoma State University and so and so forth.

And so I sent him a color. Hey, thank you so much. And then a few years later, he became a star. He sent me another 8 by 10. This time it was in color. Well, he's had a hell of a crew. Yeah, he's had a great color. But you know what?

I really, I love really, I was on the phone with Larry Gottlin. brother Rudy. I really was a Gatlin fan. Merle Haggard. I love Merle Haggard. Alan Jackson, to me, is one of the great singers, great writers of all. His lyrics is just amazing, and I just really love his voice. Now, now, now, just because you play country and love country, are there artists outside of the country genre you like? Well, I grew up on the Staceman Quartet, which is the gospel group. My first love was always gospel music. I actually did two gospel albums, hearing my heart, no, until you and hearing my heart or something.

I forgot. Anyway, so I did those two gospel albums. Then I did one with Jake Keth, who was my hero in gospel music was the great lead singer for the statesman. And then I hooked up with the Isaacs, and we became really good friends. And I started going out and singing with them on some shows. And then this year, we were actually going to start our own tour. And of course, all of that got canceled. because of the coronavirus. Yeah, I know. Terry Bradshaw's joining me. He has a new song called Quarantine Crazy.

It's out today. Four Super Bowl champs, two Super Bowl MVPs. So we'll segment into football here for a couple minutes. So Tom Brady brings in Gronk. And listen, it's $10 million. It's $10 million. It's one year. My takeaway, Terry, is,

hell, if Gronk had 30 catches and one touchdown, but if Tom felt comfortable with him, then he's worth the money. Go back to your career. career. Are there players that you just, if you would have left, you would have wanted to take with you because they were like pacifiers on the road. They made you feel comfortable. No, not really. I was never going to leave, so that never was going to be an issue with me. If I got cut by Pittsburgh, that would have been it. I never wanted to play for another team,

ever. So that was it. I wasn't going anywhere. Gonkowski going to be with Tom somewhat of a surprise because I spent quite a bit of time with him this past year and he and I co-hosted the U.S.O. banquet in Washington, D.C. He's thin, very thin.

And he never once has ever given me a hint that he wants to go back and play and I talk to him a lot. So I definitely think Breeder made a phone call to, hey, man, come join me. But that doesn't guarantee.

Everybody's putting them in the Super Bowl. That does not guarantee success. You know, you've got an aging quarterback and a guy that didn't, that it had enough, maybe had enough of the Patriot way, but he had out enough. And I actually told Glant's this. I said, look, you've got everything building in your off, off season career now. You've got another avenue that you're in. You're promoting, you're branding yourself.

And if you go back and play, you shut that down. you shut that down he's with fox he does a great job we love having it great personality and all that he's built up to me you shut it down so now he's going to play a year maybe two who knows then he's got to start it all back up he won the Super Bowl and retired after that season they tried to trade him and then so is he still the guy if he still is only 29 we're we're going to find out and does everything fall into play like it did in New England. And I've got my doubts about that.

Yeah. So Joe Burroughs is a good quarterback at LSU. The knock on him is he's got a pretty average arm. Now, you had a great arm. You had an absolute, they call a howitzer. If you didn't have your arm, how much would it have it have limited your greatness? Well, my first. powerful arm completed 51.9% of my founding career.

So I would have been better served to not have quite as much and tried to use that power to squeeze it in. And as I got older in my career, I very seldom pulled the trigger, you know. Yeah. I threw the ball with a much better touch. This kid, listen, if you've got a quick mind and great, great footwork with your arm, your shoulders, you're going to be fine because it's not, his arm is more than adequate. You don't have to have a halzer. Now, if you have the halitzer,

but yet you can gear it down, put it in first and second gear, that's even better. But he's got a, I've watched him a lot, man, and he is really, really good. We've never seen Colin a quarterback had the kind of year he had last year. No way. Anyway, 60 touchdown passes. Unbelievable. unheard of. Do you worry about Tua's injury? No. No. No, I don't.

But just, see, when I played and came out in 70, we went right to the draft and it was over. And I just think there's so much time in these guys' hands, they beat these draft picks of death. I wouldn't have a problem. You like and take him. If you don't like him, don't take him. Don't make excuses. because when he plays, he plays well, and he'll play better. He'll stay in the pocket.

He'll learn. Listen, this is a smart kid. He is accurate. He played in a big-time program. He's been coached. I'm not worried about him getting hurt. Everybody gets hurt. I'm not worried about it.

You like him? Take him. If you don't move on, go with the guy in Oregon, you know, I wasn't blown away by him. Or if he was so great, why didn't he say, Why didn't he say come out last year? He didn't come out last year because he wasn't going to be a high pick. But now there's not less competition out there.

But I like his arm. I like a lot of things about him. Tua, I love. Burrell, I love. The kid at Utah State, best I could say to you is that he reminds me of Patrick Mahomes, kind of a gunfinger, kind of, you know, just throws and just don't see.

So, you know, there you have it. I just talk about the kid at Oklahoma that was at Alabama. What's his name? Jalen Hertz. Yeah, there's another one. I mean, he's gotten so much better with his passing and just really an outstanding job. And there's one more kid out there, Easton, I believe, at Washington.

He's really nice. So you've just got to pick what you like and go with it. And if you think you need to move up and get it, move up and get it. Don't worry about it. By the way, you're a big man. 6-4. You probably played at, what, 225, 2.30? I came in the league at 6.3 and a half, and I weighed 2.15.

But you got you put weight on, right? Yes, thank you. I have put weight. I'm 71 now. Well, no, I mean, when you're fighting this. I'm fired. Shut up, Tullis. Now I've got issues.

So when you were playing. I'm a big man. I am. When I came out, I was big for a quarterback. Yeah. So you said everybody gets hurt. Were you hurt in your career and didn't announce it? Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sure I was. When I got hurt and didn't play, you knew I was hurt, and you saw it. But there were other small muscle tears that we'd shoot up, stuff like that. You know, back then, no big deal. You just, you know, he just played with them. But nowadays, man, you can't, you get punished, you get penalized, you get fined, you lose choices. It's pretty serious stuff now.

Okay, let's play some quarantine crazy on the way out. Terry Bradshaw, you be good. Hey. Hey, you know that I'm getting ready to start my European tour since this coronavirus is over. I'm already booking all over the world. The song's taking me to places I never thought of. I'm actually going to tour the whole state of Georgia. do open up.

I'm, there's 100 shows right there. Well, what? Just be careful. Don't go to festivals and get, you know, just be careful. Man, I can't even get off this rent in Foncabell, Oklahoma. How am I going anywhere up? I'd love to come on your show and sing this song, though. Well, you know what?

You can make a little time for us. So you grab your guitar and you're always welcome. So I'm going to play this thing on the way out, okay? Okay. All right, buddy. Fox NFL Sunday. Thank you so much, Colin. You know I love you.

Stay safe, brother. All right. You too. Terry Bradshaw, quarantine crazy. Play it on the way out. Goulet. All right. Don't go anywhere.

I love it. I'm going to tell you something. When I'm quarantined at home, he played this for me the other day, and I'm like, we've got ourselves a hit. Terry Bradshaw, Fox. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Draft tonight. Lowe is doing a special draft of their own this year.

thanking their supporters and associates for all they've done during the crisis. Lowe's has been great for Fox Sports Radio 8 Eastern tonight, all presented by Lowe's, their associates recognized tonight during our draft on our radio network. It is great to have you in. For the record, Terry Bradshaw, I just don't. We talked about Gronk and Tom Brady. Gronk was thin when he worked at Fox Sports. I mean, it was noticeable.

He looked really thin. And he's a big guy. but thin guys who are muscular could put on weight really fast and Gronk talked about that now putting on a few pounds. I'm 250. I feel good. My body feels good

and I definitely worked over the last year too. It's not like I've taken off and done nothing. I mean, my body at some points there was a good month or two where I didn't do anything actually. My body just needed that time to rest, needed that time to heal. You put on 10 pounds to get the 260

I think will be pretty easy if I need to get back up there which I feel like I kind of want to. I mean, it just takes a couple extra protein shakes with some extra almond butter, some extra blueberries. You know, you just got to load it up and have a couple shakes a day

on top of all your meals to put that weight back on. Big thin guys who have been strong before can put weight on. And this is all about managing expectations. If he goes to Tampa and he has 30 catches, two touchdowns and it's just a great blocker for the run game in the red zone, it's a home run.

And he adds comfort for Tom. It's managing expectations. If I see a Tom Hanks-Steven Spielberg movie, going to the theater, my takeaway is, oh, it's going to be great. But if I see a sequel, and the sequel's rarely as good as the first film, when I go watch sequels, I'm always like, just entertain me. I'm not expecting it to be as good as the first one. And this is not Gronk at 25 years old, and I asked Greg Kosell yesterday, what is Gronk now in his current form? At this point in his career, he's still a very good blocker in the wrong. run game, and he's more of a short intermediate receiver. He probably

is not going to be a scene receiver as much as he once was. But I think when you get into that quick bang, play action pass game, where Brady's under center and he throws those quick passes over the middle, Grunk's still a big, powerful man, I'm sure, and that's what the strength of his game will be.

Yeah. Good blocker. A little bit of a matchup problem. Doesn't run vertically like he used to, but just manage expectations. If he's comfort, if he blocks, He has four big plays over the year. 30 catches. Does he have two catches a game?

Does he have two touchdowns all year? Zone blocker adds comfort. They got three tight ends in Tampa. They don't need him to be dominant. They have great wide receivers. So they don't need a lot from Gronk. The comfort, I think, is a huge component to this. Enjoy Taylor now with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Have you ever had to gain weight like that before, Colin? You know, I'm not, I can gain weight. I just go bread and lift weights. So if I want to gain weight, I just lift weights. Those shakes will do it, though.

Well, I've lost six, seven pounds now during the virus. And I've done it essentially because I don't have a weight room in my house and I'm running. So I'm doing the running. And, you know, I mean, I don't, I think I'm just eating less because I don't want to go to the store all the time. so I'm managing what I eat. But I'm not a guy that can, now at this point in my life, this is kind of what you get.

I can lose weight a little bit, gain weight a little bit. But, I mean, when I work with Gronk, I mean, you just saw it. First thing, you look at his shoulders. You're like, oh, his frame. Tony Gonzalez and our guy. Tony Gonzalez lost like 25 pounds.

The minute he stopped playing football because he stopped lifting weights. Yeah, the weight thing is huge. But I always feel bad talking to offensive linemen that come into camp, having to make sure that they meet weight, the stuff that they have to eat. like eating like four sandwiches before they come in for weigh-ins and stuff.

It just seems awful. Trying to put them weight like that is not really fun sometimes. So Brett Farb knows how it can feel to start over with a new team after a Hall of Fame career in one place. And he spoke with Tom Brady before Brady made his decision. I spoke to Tom briefly at the Super Bowl. You know, they did the top 100. We had a chance to visit a little bit.

And I said, I didn't say, what are you going to do? I just said, hey, if you're thinking about going elsewhere, I said, go for it. And he asked me if I had it to do over again, what I'd do it the same way, and I would. You know, it wasn't as successful as I'd hoped in New York, but I'm glad I had that opportunity. Yeah. I think part of this decision was that he just wanted a new experience. Yeah.

He hadn't had the opportunity in his career to make that decision and to be able to do that. And sometimes you just want to, you just want to do that. You want to go out and buy the Corvette and see what you're going to do that. what it's like to drive around with the wind in your hair after driving around in a minivan for 20 years. Some people, you know, just check it out. 40% of Americans never leave the area code they were born in. There's nothing wrong with that.

I've been all over. I like change. Honestly, my wife and I, both of us, have moved so much. It's in our family, it's so easy for us to change. Some people like comfort. Terry Bradshaw's like, I got drafted by the Steelers. That's the only team I'm ever planned for. Good owner, good coach, good players. Other people are very comfortable.

just saying, you know what? I'm, I mean, listen, I was, you know, older. Let's go to a new company. Why not? I mean, it's just like what? Life's an adventure, right? Like, live it. But it is a mentality, though.

I mean, I grew up in Pittsburgh, so I know a lot of people who have born and raised and have only ever lived in Pittsburgh and don't ever have any intention on leaving. I'm wired a little differently. But that's why, like you said, just with Gronk a few moments ago, I don't have any expectations of what's going to happen. in Tampa. None. I mean, I think they're going to be good, but how good?

I don't know. I just am just going to enjoy watching the final years of Tom Brady's incredible career. And the fact that Gronk is there is just going to make it more fun. And Gronk also is going to have the opportunity to play in an organization that it isn't the Patriots, who allowed him to have his personality. But now this is an organization that encourages personality from the beginning. So it's going to be interesting. It's going to be fun.

I'm not going into with any expectations, just like you. Yeah. It's a sequel. We'll see what happens. Same with Joe Burrell. If I tell you, Joe Burrow for Cincinnati has 21 touchdowns and 13 picks, and they win six games and are more competitive, home run for Joe Burrell. If you think he's going in there and taking Cincinnati to the playoffs,

you're out of your gourd. I honestly, if he steadies the ship, he's got a little Tony Romo playmaker stuff, maybe upsets Baltimore or upsets Pittsburgh with that roster, and win six games, I'd be like, I'm good with it. I told you, Kyler Murray last year. Kyler Murray didn't win a lot of games, but he won halves. There were moments when you're like, oh, my guy, is the best player in the football field. And I thought Kyler Murray had a great rookie year.

He didn't win any games. They weren't winning games. Just managed expectations. Yeah. So the Lions are in a great position with the third overall pick. The Dolphins have reportedly reached out to them to trade up, but they're not the only team interested in Detroit's spot. According to Ian Rappaport, multiple teams have had discussions with the Lions about the availability of the number three pick tonight. I've always felt like the lions actually hold the

most power in this year's draft because we are assuming that Cincinnati is not going to leave. All signs point to that is going to hold true. They're going to take Joe Burrow number one. Washington seems pretty set on Chase Young. The lions are in an excellent position to get a haul of picks or some other type of trade at the third position because they are consistent that they don't want, they don't need to take a quarterback. They don't want to take a quarterback. Now there has been some conversation about, you know, them talking to guys, but I think they're just doing their due diligence. But I think that what's going to happen at number three, like, that's the spot to watch tonight. It's, it's going to be very interesting what the Lions end up doing.

They hold a lot of power. Finally, the dolphins, as I mentioned, have been actively looking to trade up in the first round. They reportedly made multiple calls to the Bengals in an attempt to get the number one spot in Cincinnati has turned down all of their offers. Some have said that the Dolphins are wanting to trade up to get their first choice at offensive tackle. I don't believe that that is the case. And another report says the dolphins are trying to get the third pick from Detroit without giving up the fifth pick in an effort to get the first overall pick from Cincinnati. I'm with you.

I don't think Cincinnati has the guts to do that. It's not who they are. It's not in their DNA. Cincinnati's a very conservative town. And I've told you this before. In L.A., like for instance, Joy, Boston. 51 universities in Boston Metro's footprint. It's a very heady town.

Academics, private schools, Harvard, MIT. So there is a sort of competitive nature within Boston to be smart. That's why the Red Sox, the Patriots, the Celtics, very early on analytics. If you look at California, it's a very creative culture. There is a competitive nature within the state of California to be creative and new and not be old. Cincinnati is conservative. That is the culture that is that is sort of innate in their DNA. They are not wheelers and dealers.

That's not who Cincinnati is. They are not going to take big risk tonight with Joe Burrell. No, but if the dolphins are offering them the third and the fifth overall pick, wow, that is a lot to pass up on. And I don't even think it would just be that. I think it would be other picks as well. I think that the dolphins are comfortable not getting Burrow tonight, but I love that they're being aggressive, as we always say, aggressive wins.

And I personally, I love Burrow, obviously, so I like that they're doing this for him. And also, you just have to get the guy. Like, you have all these other pieces that's great, but you still need the guy to build around. So I'm really excited for tonight and tonight's really quick announcement. I'll be live on caffeine for a special edition of Joy Chat. T.J. Hushman Zada is going to join me as we break down the first 10 picks of the draft. So tune in tonight at 7.45. Eastern on caffeine. It's a free

app. Go download it and subscribe to the Fox Sports channel and you can jump in the chat with me and TJ tonight at 7.45 p.m. Eastern. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. No, you know, I had said this earlier that mock drafts

you know, they're like boats. Nobody buys a boat as an investment. You buy a boat because it's fun. Nobody does a mock draft for accuracy. You do it because it's fun. That's why I do football picks on Friday. I'm just trying to get to 60%. My draft is, my mock drafts already a mess. So woke up this morning and a friend of mine text me some information. I'm like, all right.

Well, missed on that one. So this whole night is fun. Remember a couple years ago, do we have the audio tape of Mel Kiper and John Gruden? You know, there are times I feel really strongly about things. I did not like Tim Tebow as a first round pick. I said it. I thought it was a huge mistake. I did not like Johnny Manzan.

I just didn't think that was a good pick. But here's John Gruden, a successful NFL coach. He and Mel Khyper. He loved Johnny Manzel. Yeah, he wanted Johnny Manzell to go number one, did Gruden. George Bush went to Mansell's pro date. I didn't see the former president at your pro date. Johnny football will bring a buzz to Houston, and that buzz is good.

There'll be a lot of excitement. I'll buy two tickets if he goes to Houston. John, you can't overdraft. I mean, you would be overdrafting a quarterback. I don't feel like I'm going to be. I'm overdrafted. If I'm the quarterback coach, this is what I want to mold for my future in the modern day. He's got to be number one on your board.

He's got to be number one. He was a bust. Nick Saban said Tybo, Nick Saban said Johnny Mansell was going to be great. So, I mean, you don't know. There is, I've seen Bill Pullian's a Hall of Fame GM once told me. He said, we got to, he goes, I drafted an offensive lineman one year. And he goes, first three or four practices, I'm like, can't play. not even a scout team guy.

So that's the fun of the draft. There's going to be somebody I'm really interested with Jordan Love. Now, I initially, does New England make a move on him? Or do they like Jared Stidham? I mean, they have some things they got to fix. You know, Green Bay is really interesting. My initial take was go draft Jordan Love, give him two or three years. And then I had an executive who I respect who played Green Bay last year.

and he looked at some of their losses and he texted me and he goes, no, they can't draft Jordan Love. He goes, you've got to give. And it changed my opinion. He said, you've got to give Aaron Rogers for the next three years the best players you have. You can't waste a first round pick on a quarterback. So I changed my opinion. But it is one of those where I see, you know, I'm trying to think like New Orleans has, think about New Orleans. They got Drew Breeze.

Teddy's gone now. I don't think Tayson Hill's a franchise guy does New Orleans look at him and say listen 24 months watching me I mean seriously I think the Saints are

and the Saints roster doesn't have a lot of holes in it it really doesn't I mean now they bring Emmanuel Sanders on so they don't need a wide receiver I look at the Saints and I'm like late first round that's that's pretty interesting for Jordan Love

So again, you're only as good as unless you're like John Elway or in Andrew Luck, you're only kind of as good as where you land as a quarterback, right? I mean, Mahomes wouldn't be this good if he was in Jacksonville. He'd be talented, but he wouldn't be winning Super Bowls. Lamar Jackson wouldn't be this good. Josh Allen. I mean, I'm not saying they're not talented, but of course Baltimore and Harbaugh. Of course it helped.

Of course it helps Josh Allen to have Sean McDermott. Really good general manager. So I think the Jordan Love thing, I'm really interested in New Orleans. Whenever you find a good team with an old quarterback without a lot of needs, you know, you put him in there for a year and they've got other picks. I mean, New Orleans, how many picks does New Orleans have? If they have seven picks, there are not seven players in this draft that can make the Saints. There's not.

They don't have, I mean, they picked up Malcolm Jenkins at safety of weakness. they add Emmanuel Sanders. Tell me the seven college players. And again, they only got one first round pick. I look at New Orleans and I think Mickey Loomis is sitting there thinking, hey, we're going to send him for two years. He's not even our backup. They have five picks.

I mean, I'm New Orleans. I'm like, Mickey Loomis has rolled the dice. We'll bring him in. He won't even be our backup. First year, he's not a backup. And if we think he's good, we move to Haysom Hill. Somebody takes him. And then, I don't know, I'm just, New Orleans and Jordan Love is interesting.

By the way, he's a flawed player. Wasn't Mahomes flawed? And Andy Reid, a quarterback whisperer said, I can fix those flaws, but I can't teach that talent. I look at Jordan Love and Sean Payton. I think Sean's like, oh, I can fix those flaws. I can't teach his talent. Just the saints are very interesting to me. They don't have a lot of needs.

What do they need? don't need a receiver, don't need a safety, don't need a corner. O-line set, they need a quarterback in two years. That's what they need. And Teddy Bridgewater's gone. Coming up next, two truths and a lie. We play one of our favorite games with the NFL draft tonight. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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Dolphins, Chargers, Jaguars, or any other team. Who you got? Chargers. I think he'll fall to the Chargers. Because I think the dolphins will take Justin Herbert. That's my guess. So we're playing the game, two truths and a lie. The draft edition.

tonight's the draft. Joy will give me a player some facts, and I have to guess which two are true and which ones just made up by our goofy staff. You ready to go? Ready. Two truth and a lie. All right. Joe Burrow received the most first place votes in Heisman history, only received scholarship offers from one Power 5 school, or wears one sock inside out for every game. Okay. The lie is only received a scholarship offer. from one power of five school.

That's a lie. The other... Am I right? You are right. He received multiple offers including West Virginia and Iowa State. Cool.

All right. Justin Herbert. He lettered in three varsity sports in high school, experimented on teammates for biology projects. Both of his brothers play or played at Oregon.

Okay, I think the lie is both of his brothers played for Oregon. Correct. Correct. Killing it today. Well, I covered Oregon until I follow them, yeah. His brother Patrick plays at Oregon. His brother Mitchell is at Montana State.

All right. All right. Jalen Hertz was a Heisman finalist for two different schools. He was a power lifter and could squat 500 pounds in high school. He was the first true freshman to start at quarterback for Nick Sabin. I know one of them is true. Was a Heisman finalist for two different schools? I'm going to say that's the lie.

Correct. He was only a finalist last year at Oklahoma. He received the second most votes behind Joe Burroughs. It's almost like I'm amazing. Go ahead. All right. Jerry Judy has been friends with Lamar Jackson since childhood. His nickname is Judge because of his last name.

He was high school teammates with Calvin Ridley. First of all, nickname is Judge is too good to be made up. Is my staff smart enough and funny enough to do that? I say has been friends with Lamar Jackson since childhood's a lie You were doing so well The nickname is the lie So the name is not judge

Came up with that That his nickname is judge Because his last name is Judy My staff is so much smarter and funnier than I thought Oh Well I didn't I didn't come up with these So I can't take her for that CD Lamb his mother

His mother's name is Mary Like you Mary Have a little lamb? Yes. He was nicknamed DVD. He learned how to dodge defenders by having rock fights as a child. I think the lie is his mother's name is Mary. Correct.

His mother's name is Lita. So Mary did not have a little lamb. Nope. Well, if she did, it wasn't his mother. So Jordan Love didn't start in high school until halfway through his junior year. He thought about quitting football to focus on basketball. And his birth name is Michael Jordan Love.

The lie is his birth name is Michael Jordan Love. Yes. His dad wanted his name to be Michael Jordan, but his mom overruled. Yeah, mom gets the same. I always figure mom carries the child. She gets the name. That's a good choice. Nine months of labor, you get the name.

You pretty much get whatever you want, actually. So Isaiah Simmons was a state champion long jumper, his junior and senior year. He was a right fielder for Clemson his freshman year and goes wakeboarding in his spare time. Ooh, those are good. So one of those is a lie. Didn't start it. Let's see.

It was a state champion. I can see the state champion thing. I think wakeboarding in his spare time is a lie. He did not play baseball for Clemson. Okay. His dad says he loves to fish and wakeboard. Wakeboarding is fine. Have you ever wakeboarded?

That's like where you hold the, you put your feet in the thing. Yeah. I can never get up. Oh, it's so. Like what part I'm doing wrong. So much. I do that in Utah every summer. Oh, so much fun.

Yeah, I'm a big just lay around and drink margaritas person. That's not terrible either. Yeah. So Jonathan Taylor finished as Wisconsin's all-time leading Russia. He studies German philosophy was recruited by Harvard. Well, I think he, I bet, well, yeah, he's a good student, so he would be recruited by Harvard. And I wouldn't shock me if he studied German philosophy. I'm not sure he's Wisconsin.

an all-time leading rushers. That is the lie. Taylor is second behind Ron Dane. Ron Dane. Like Ron Dane's the guy. He also holds the FBS record for rushing yards. And Taylor is sixth on that list. Okay.

German philosophy. How? I mean, seriously. No. We had him on the show last. Broadcast communication. We had him on the show last week. He was obviously.

He's great. Yeah. Yeah. Really smart kid. Bright kid. All right. To us, Leppled his football under his arm as a child is Alabama's all-time passing leader can sing and play the ukulele.

Well, Hawaii's play the ukulele and sing. I bet he can do that. I mean, I'm sure he slept with a football under his arm. I don't know if he's Alabama's all-time passing leader. He didn't play there long enough. That's lie. He is not. A.J. McCarran is with 9,019 yards.

Two was third with 7,400. Goulet is such a jerk. He's rooting against me. I helped write some of these, and I'm not happy with our win percentage right now. literally discouraged that I'm getting him right. Every time you don't see him, he's like. This probably is your best that you've ever done on this game, though. You are doing well.

I think it shows a lot about me. Go ahead. You could write a song for Tua, and he could play it on the ukulele for you. So Chase Young, his nickname is The Predator. He practices meditation. He had the most sacks in Ohio State history with 30 and a half. I don't think he has the most sacks in Ohio State history. Just great today.

He is second all. time behind Mike Rable, who had 36 sacks. His hair, the predator thing I've never heard of, but if you look at his hair, it's coming down. You can say, okay, somebody gave him that nickname. Plus meditation. I like that. All right.

Well, I pretty much nailed that. That was the greatest performance. I think you only got one wrong. I don't even know. Okay. Our friends at Lowe's are doing something special for the draft. They're honoring their associates who have gone above and beyond. They've really been amazing for us.

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