The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NFL, Hall of Famers, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, and LeBron James,

Episode Date: August 20, 2018

Colin discusses the outrage over the NFL rule changes, future NFL Hall of Famers, why New York Jets QB Sam Darnold is ready to start, why Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield is not, and why he believes Los Angeles Lakers F LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan. Guests include Doug Gottlieb, Chris Simms, Dean Blandino, and Rob Ryan. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is. Good morning, Colin. Morning, Joy, it is great to have you back. I had so many people come up to me over my week off and say Joy Taylor. I love her on the show. She's such a great addition. Just got to give you that love for that. Thank you, people that said that to Colin.

Yes, thank you, people who said that to me. So let me start with this. So I'm watching television last night. I'm sitting there in bed and I'm watching television. And I got one of those little devices. It's kind of complicated. It used to be. You had a remote.

ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox. That was it. And then cable came along. You got 500 channels. Now I got another device. It gives me Amazon Prime. I got Netflix. It got Showtime.

I got Hulu. I got a bunch of these things, right? I got more channels than I've ever had in my life. And everybody's always not. television. Ah, it's dumb. You're better to read books. Not really. No, not really. It is the best time in the history of the world in America to watch television. I mean, you can binge watch. You get political shows. You get sports. Every game, every sport, politics, opinions, cable, broadcast. It's incredible. Everybody wants to

complain about stuff. I've sitting there last night and I'm thinking, there's never been a never been a moment in my life where I get to choose what I want to watch. I can watch docs, independence, I can watch movies, I can watch shows. I'm watching British stuff two nights ago. I never had access to that British stuff, and I had a British mom who would have watch British TV. I didn't have access to that. And I'm watching football over the last week when I'm on vacation.

And I'm like Andrew Luck plays tonight, Lamar Jackson's playing tonight, and one of them's already been established. It's pretty good. And the other one is exciting and could be good. And I'm thinking, do we kind of get what's going on now in football. Like the last week, I've been watching all these puppies play. Baker Mayfield's like, you know, 20 years old and Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen. And I'm watching all these guys play in Lamar Jackson and the kid up Josh Allen and Buffalo. And I'm thinking to myself,

holy God, think about what we have in the league right now. We have five Hall of Famers. And all of them still have years left. Brady, Breeze, Ben, Rogers, Russell Wilson. Don't argue, he is. Five Hall of Famers with a lot of years left. We have four guys who will get Hall of Fame votes. Eli, a lot of people think he'll get in. Cam Newton, I criticize him. MVP, all-time great running quarterback, still has five years left. He's going to get votes. Matt Ryan, five, six years left at this pace, going to get votes. And Philip Rivers, going to get a lot of votes. So we're nine in for absolute Hall of Famers. And so, we're nine in for absolute Hall of Famers. And so, certainly with a lot of years left, going to get votes.

Oh, wait. Oh, wait. There's three more guys that are three of the most talented guys I've ever watched. They're just coming off injuries. Carson Wentz, Deshawn Watson, and Andrew Luck. And if I said with any of them, seven more years of their best football, they would be Hall of Famers. Okay, do the math now.

Five, four, three. I'm 12 in. That's 40% of the league. Then there's three other guys right now who have shown us in this now league where having an offensive coach with a rule changes joy really elevates you. There's three other guys who at their best so far have blown us away. Gough McVeigh, Shanahan Garoppolo have never lost together, and Derek Carr and John Gruden, if he can get it ramped up here after taking a decade off.

I'm at 15. That's half the league. that's half the league is a Hall of Famer will get votes, spectacular Hall of Fame talent off an injury, and three young guys who look like their Hall of Fame talents with the coaches they're aligned with. I'm not even counting anybody in this draft class, and if you look at the history of draft classes,

when five quarterbacks go in the first round, one's going to pop. Not five or four, but at least one and probably two pop. And if they get the right coach, eight, nine year stretch, they're Hall of Famers. I sit around and I watch this stuff. Andrew Luck tonight, Lamar Jackson, Baltimore, Indianapolis. And I'm watching football and I'm thinking between the rules, the coaching, the spacing, the quarterback camps, the seven-on-seven stuff at the high school level, the spread offense in college football, we've never had a time this good. I go back to an era that everybody always talks about. Elway, Marino.

Oh, the 80s, late 80s. All right. You had Elway, Marino. And you had Joe Montana. You had Jim Kelly and Warren Moon. Those five guys were good. Hall of Fame guys. The drop off got...

It dropped off. You got into a bunch of Phil Sims stuff. I like Phil Sims. His son's on today in an hour. But you didn't have layer after layer after layer. We got 15 guys in this league that are Hall of Famers. will get votes, Hall of Fame talent off injury, and three guys that look like it could be really, really special. That's half the league, and I'm not counting this rookie class where I've said,

I think Darnold's going to be a 15-year Andrew Luck level if he can stay a healthy starter in the National Football League. Sometimes you've got to take a deep breath, stay off social media, appreciate how much good we have, TV or quarterbacks. Let me shift to this. Speaking of the young quarterbacks, I watch Sam Darnold, he's pretty good. And here's what I hear all the time. You know, there's an old saying among guys, you want to date a pretty girl? Got to ask her out. She's not going to come up to you.

She's not going to come up to you. You want to date a pretty girl. You got to go up to her and say, want to have a coffee, and then maybe a glass of wine, second date, and maybe she likes you. Just don't drool on yourself. you have a shot, but you got to ask her out, meaning you got to have a little courage, and you have to be willing to make a mistake, and you have to be willing to embarrass yourself. Okay. Sam Darnold's going to throw interceptions.

Who cares? You want to play it safe and never leave your hometown? Marry your high school sweetheart. Nothing wrong with that. There's a world out there of opportunity. You're going to fall flat on your arse. Brett Farth is the all-time leader in interceptions. Peyton Manning is the all-time NFL rookie leader in interceptions. By year four, he still threw 23. Ben Rothersberger, 23 is a rookie. Eli Manning, interception machine, Drew Breeze, Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw. Folks, who gives a rip?

To date the pretty girl, you've got to ask her out. Peyton Manning was a turnover machine. So was Brett Fav. So was brother Eli. Breeze throws a lot. You want to know who doesn't throw interceptions number one and two in the league last year. Tyrod, Taylor, and Alex Smith. They both got traded.

What is my knock on Dak Prescott? I call him Dink and Dak. Underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath. Stretch the field. All-time quarterback interceptions leaders. The minute Peyton Manning gets inducted into the Hall of Fame, seven to ten. Seven of ten. are the all-time interception leaders.

They take a chance. Those guys in Silicon Valley were born there. They move there. You talk to anybody who's an angel investor. They have whiffed. Ashton Couther is the guy in Hollywood. He's an angel investor. 100 grand for this, 200 grand for this, a million for this.

He's hit two home runs. He's whiffed on 20. Who cares if guys throw picks? Deshawn Watson had two games last year. Remember this, Joy? I think one was Seattle, one was New England. And everybody was like, okay, Deshawn Watson's amazing, officially amazing. He threw five interceptions in those two games.

Well, time out. You're upset that Donald threw one pick in the preseason. He threw five picks in the games you fell in love with him. So what? Take chances. Roll the dice. Ask her out. Put money on a company that has very little chance to succeed but could hit a home run.

You got to take chances. I've always said, one of the most important things about a quarterback is a short memory. You can't be paralyzed by asking a girl out and she just says not interested. All right, who's next? You're a hook. There's a sea of fish. Take a chance. Roll the dice.

Go. It's okay. Whiff. Sam Darno's going to throw 20 picks this year if he starts. He's going to fumble seven times. And that means he's throwing them all down the field. he's a little reckless, a little reckless, but guess what? You know what he's doing?

He's taking chances. Do you want Tyrod Taylor? He got Buffalo to the playoffs. They got rid of him. You want Alex Smith? He got Kansas City of the playoffs. They got rid of him. Jack Prescott, I like him.

By the way, I criticize Cam Newton all the time. Right? Everybody, oh, you hate Cam. You know what I never criticized Cam about? Joy, I never rip his interceptions. Now, I ripped the fact that there's a receiver four feet from him, and he sails it over his head. I ripped the fact that his. emotional roller coaster and his playing consistency is all over the map.

You've never heard me rip Cam because he throws a pick. I could care less. I get that body. I get those legs. I got that arm. Baby. He reminds me a lot of Terry Bradshaw. Bradshaw threw a lot of picks.

I never rip Cam for picks. I rip him because I don't know what mood he's in half to half. And he can't hit Christian McCaffrey on a swing pass out of the backfield and sails it over his head. Yes, Sam Darnold's going to throw picks. Lots of them. Isn't the preseason where you want him to throw those picks? This is literally the best time of the year for him to be throwing picks.

Throw it down the field. Let's go. Ask her out. Angel investor. People get all worked up on this stuff. What I don't want... What's just because we're so excited, Colin. What I don't like is safe.

Hey, Lakers went after LeBron. They went after Paul George. One said no. One said, yeah. They're pretty good today. They put it out there. George were interested. LeBron were interested. By the way, they put it out there. Kauai were interested. All right. I'm all good with it. They hit one for one, one for two so far.

I think there's one that situation. Yes. But by the way, they were all public. They weren't covert. They didn't hi it. They're like, yeah, those two leak stories. We like them. I think they're okay today with that aggressive nature and putting it out there. All right. Good to have you in. You know, I saw, I watched Baker Mayfield over the weekend. I got some thoughts on that. A lot of fun football to watch. We got more tonight. We're officially in football season. Joy's back, and whether you like it or not, I'm back.

We're for good sportsmanship. Hyundai's new Shopper Assurance Program, transparent pricing, flexible test drives, streamlined purchases. See for yourself, HyundaiUSA.com slash shopper assurance. It is a Monday, 35 minutes from now where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. So I got a lot of people saying, Colin Baker Mayfield, what do you think? He owned you on your show in your third. face he looks like he's amazing and I thought to myself he looks like I thought

Baker Mayfield would look like an accurate thrower of the football moves around pretty well little frantic at times small wish he was bigger but the issue with Baker isn't whether he's accurate enough and good enough to play in the NFL I've always said he is I've never joy's been here I have never once said he's a bust he can absolutely play that is he throws too accurate of football the three NFL GMs that I regularly tweet all of him as an NFL quarterback, most early second round late first, did not think he was the first or second best quarterback in the draft, but thought he was a very competent quarterback with a lower ceiling than all the fanboys think. But my question with Baker is he's going to have

more to overcome. When I think, this is what I mean by it when I watch Cleveland, because I actually like some of their players. I picked him to be six and ten. I don't think it's far-fetched to think they could be eight and eight if they stayed healthy and they stay on plan, they start tie rod and then maybe around Thanksgiving they give Baker a shot. But you got to remember, the AFC North is like a big family and it has been forever. The Steelers are the very successful father of this family. They've created generational wealth. They've evolved brilliantly. They've got a college wing named after them. They're still very sharp as they've aged. They own their own company. It's been 50 years of quality products, the Steelers. Baltimore is the successful son of

of that father. He'll always be in dad's shadow, but he's had some real success on his own. He's built a very strong brand and family. There have been ups and downs, more volatile than Pittsburgh, perhaps, but tough-minded and mostly dependable quality year and year out. Cincinnati is the less successful son of the father of the Steelers, sort of the red-headed son, disciplinary issues. They always die in the spotlight. The Bengals, even when they have talent, They're 0 for seven in the wild card round, their last seven times in the playoffs. Every time they're in a big game, Monday night, Sunday night, playoff game, they shrink.

They're kind of the red-headed, less successful son of the Steelers. The more successful son of the Steelers is Baltimore. And then, of course, there's Cleveland. That is the loser son of the loser's son of the father. They're just too far removed from good DNA. They're incompetent. bizarrely low self-esteem, constant chaos, multiple marriages, kids are in trouble, they're in trouble. So that's what this division is.

It's no shot. But I got a 40-50-year history of the family called the AFC North. And there's the successful dad, the Steelers, his really successful son, always living in dad's shadow, but has made his own brand, Baltimore. the less successful son of the Steelers, the red-headed stepchild of the division, had opportunities but just can't, can't rise in the moment like the successful son, Cincinnati. And then Cincinnati had a son, his name is Cleveland,

and he's just a mess. Too far removed from good dad DNA or something. So it's not that I don't think Baker has talent. I've never said he's a bust. But man, he's got a lot to overcome. Mike, Ben Roth, Berger comes in this league, he inherits the Roonies. He inherits Cowr.

Then he gets Tomlin. He's got Heinz Ward. He's got Antonio Brown. He's got good offensive lines. He got Lavian Bell. He's got good game day income. They're well funded. They get free agents.

They draft well. That to me, the AFC North is the most predictable family in the last 40, 50 years in this league. And so even if Baker's good enough to play, and he clearly is, he's got a lot of to overcome. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, over the weekend, Jason Whitten made his broadcasting debut for the Jets and Washington. And during his breakdown of Sam Darnold, prior to the game, Witten compared the rookie

quarterback to none other than his old teammate, Tony Romo. Stick a listen. We saw the Sam Darnel performance, not only in last week's game, but even in practice. The talk of the town everywhere we went was a lot. about Sam Darnold. And I got to tell you, after watching some of these plays, he does remind me a bit of a young Tony Romo. Yeah. I think he's, I think he will be physically more durable. He's a thicker kid. But he plays a little like Tony, which is he's going to throw some picks. He can at times play like Tony did a little too fast and a little too reckless. But, you know,

we've said during Aaron Rogers peak, the closest prototype to Aaron Rogers was Tony Romo. Smart, good beat, good arm. Donald's got a lot of Romo. I think he's a stronger, more durable version of Tony Romo. Not to take a shot, but I'm sure that Jets fans hope that he has a little bit of a higher ceiling than Tony Romo. Yes, I think he does. That's fair to say from number three in the draft and undrafted guy. Post season.

Yes. So the Buffalo Bills are not happy about a block by Jarvis Landry during Friday's preseason game against the Browns. Landry lit up cornerback to Ron Johnson with this huge block. And Micah Hyde stuck up. for Johnson on Sunday and said landed a use block was dirty. Do you have the sound of this? No.

I don't care if he leveled his shoulder or not. He's coming all the way from number one by the past the numbers and flying down into onto the hashes and just cleaning up somebody. That's the same exact play that Aaron Williams got hit on a couple of years back and basically ruined his career. To me, that's BS. You can't do that. Now, this hit was tough. Did you see this hit?

I did not. Did Jarvis put on him? I did watch the game, actually. The Aaron Williams, the hit that Jarvis put on Aaron Williams did actually end his career. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So the problem with this is, for me, it is a tough hit. And according to the new rules, it's going to be, I mean, it's obviously a penalty.

But here you go, you can see a little better here. Yeah, that's a real shot. Yeah. So, I mean, the problem is if you're going to penalize the defense for hits like that, you're kind of have to do it on the offense as well. This is a really good point, Joy, is that when I watched all these hits, hits. If a running back puts his head down, what is a safety supposed to do?

Like, the flag goes up immediately. I got news for you. When you do a swing pass to Nick Chubb of the Browns. Right. Okay, you've seen what Nick Chubb looks like with his shirt off? Okay, that guy's 235 and he's running downhill and I'm a safety and I weigh 208. What is a safety supposed to do? By the way, if the safety goes for his legs, takes him out and rips up a knee,

that guy's career could be over. Well, that's kind of the issue with the helmet rule. Like, they're trying to make it safer, and we want the game to be safer. But the problem is in the NFL, the game is played so fast with giant humans. It's literally impossible to change the direction of your body in half a second. Okay, so I'm Richard Sherman. I'm a veteran corner. Right.

And there is a running back coming after me. And I'm Richard Sherman. And I, by the way, I've already had knee issues. and I'm worried about my knees, right? I'm sensitive to knees on me and other players. How does Richard Sherman tackle a Nick Chubb in the flat with his arms? He doesn't work that way. You're just going to have to take the risk of getting the penalty and tackle the only way that you know how.

For most of these players, I imagine it's too far into their career. You have to, maybe with younger players coming up, there's a way to teach them to tackle differently. But if you're someone like Richard Sherman, I don't know how you change how you tackle. It's going to be interesting this year to see how it goes because we're already seeing some of these penalties and the preseason cause a problem. Finally, Nick Sabin is coming off his sixth national championship. He is. And one rival isn't impressed in a recent candid coach's installment from CBS Sports.

One coach voted Sabin as the sports most overrated coach. He said, if you count cheating and getting the best players in the country as part of running a program, he's the best in the country. It's like saying an NFL coach is the best coach in the league if he gets 25 first round picks. every year. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do you know why Nick Saban? By the way, all Alabama coaches haven't been successful. The reason he gets all those great players, he didn't get him in his first

two years at Alabama. He started getting him by year three, four, five, six. That's a loser coach. It is such loser. And by the way, stop with the cheating. Alabama's been doing this for a decade. If Ole Miss was cheating, Hugh Frees got nabbed. If you are cheating in the SEC, Somebody in Mississippi, Ole Miss wasn't even a threat, and they got nabbed. If Alabama, everybody's trying to knock Alabama up, are you going to tell me 10 years in there's not one bit of proof? I'm not talking internet loser proof.

I'm talking about like Ole Miss, where we have payments. You've got to get over that this is the best dynasty in the history of college football. It's boring. I don't think it helps the sport. I think the sports become increasingly regional. I think it's getting way too southern. That's why the emergence of the Big Ten in the last couple years with Urban and Harbaugh and Paul Chris and Franklin's really good for the sport

but this is just some loser guy who doesn't get what it takes to be great. Nick Saban did not get the best players his first couple years at Alabama. It was about year three and four when they started hitting Powerball. Well, we can poke fun at this person because they've chosen to remain anonymous. But if you're going to call out someone for cheating, please bother to have proof. They just say, oh, he's just cheating. It's the same thing that people say about Golden State. Oh, so unfair.

They're just going to everybody. It's so unfair. They're cheating. It's a loser talk. It's such loser talk. You're just upset that they're better than you and you can't beat them. By the way. You're coming out anonymously calling people cheaters and then talking about he has the best players.

Maybe he's a great recruiter. Maybe he's just a better recruiter than you. Maybe he works harder. I mean, think about this. USC got caught by the NCAA. Oklahoma's been caught by the NCAA. We have a history of Ohio State Terrell Prior getting caught. Penn State.

We have all these powers, Auburn, that have been caught before. Right. So Alabama, if they're cheating, will get caught. You can't be this high-pro. And we can both be wrong, but that doesn't matter. At this point, don't come out and say somebody's cheating, and that's why they're better than you, and he gets all the best players. Maybe all the best players want to go there because they know they're going to go to the NFL.

Listen to this. Listen, you want to hear a true story? I've never said this on the air before. When Nick, I have an great source on this. when Nick Saban took over Alabama, I'm not blaming anybody. They had a major steroid problem. When Nick Saban took over Alabama,

Nick Saban tested all the players. 28 of them tested positive for steroids. A year later, one did, and they kicked him out. Nick Saban took over a program that had a major steroid issue. I was told by a source in the South. And that Nick, like, clean that crap up quick. He said, you want to get bigger, work harder. But that's something that I, a source I trust, a great source.

They had a major steroid issue on campus. By the way, they weren't the only one. There's a lot of steroid stuff going on 10 years ago in college football 15 years ago. But the people just hate greatness. That's what it is. That's what it is, Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. So Darrell Morey's a really smart guy. He went to MIT. MIT is not Mitt. I think it's the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Only smart people can get in. If I sent my resume, my high school resume to MIT, it wouldn't have gotten, it would have been dumped in the garbage can before the admissions office.

This is like the smartest people in the world go to MIT. Daryl Morey went to MIT. Daryl Morey's the GM of the Rockets, an early adapter with a three point. He created the Sloan Analytics Conference in Massachusetts, Boston, every summer. It is really the brain conference. sports, all the smart people in NFL, NBA, baseball, soccer, hockey, they all go to it. So he's talking this week, he's on the Dan Patrick show, and he's talking about MJ and LeBron, and he said something that we've said on the show before, but people, mythology is a very

powerful thing. He was talking about MJ and LeBron. You just look at his ability to, you know, generate wins and championship probability over time and basically break that down. And obviously, you don't have to, you don't need all the numbers. you can watch as well and see that. But if you basically isolate that and also look at the career he's had, you know, frankly, I think at this point it's become a bit of a big margin, actually,

where he's come out ahead. I know that's a little controversial. Yeah, but it's not really that close. There's three athletes in my life that have had this incredible mythology about them. One is Brett Farve. The great game on Monday Night when his dad died, Wrangler jeans, y'all. Fav is the most popular NFL player of my lifetime. I'm not saying the best, the most popular.

There's this bubble around him. The second in baseball was Nolan Ryan. Of the 77 Hall of Fame pitchers, he's 72nd in win-loss percentage. But he was Paul Bunyan. He threw the ball really hard. First got to throw it regularly over 100 miles an hour, seven no hitters. Nolan Ryan was a very inconsistent, led major league baseball in walks eight times. He was not great.

had nights he was unhittable, but he was not consistently great. So Brett Fav, Nolan Ryan, and the third is Michael Jordan. Now Jordan's better than Nolan Ryan and Brett Fav. But Darrell Morey, smarter than all of us here, is into analytics. Analytics are a magnifying glass on sports and business and Wall Street. They're a magnifying glass. I've always said this. If Michael played today with Twitter, every night, every game's on TV now, not just highlights, not just ESPN highlights. You watched Michael and then responded directly to Michael. You took shots

at Michael. You wouldn't like Michael as much. And he would be a lot like Westbrook. You'd be like, oh my God, does he miss a lot of three-pointers? Oh, my God. He is great but hard to play with. Oh, my God. Did you just

see? He's three for 12 on three-pointers tonight. I'm not saying Michael Jordan wouldn't be great. That's not what I'm saying. He's better than Farvin, better than Nolan Ryan. But because he was the first athlete in America to have a massive shoe campaign. Larry Byrd and Magic had their shoe deals. Michaels went global. And that created a popularity force field that you can't penetrate.

Michael Jackson and music had this. Michael was weird. But there was this force field of popularity. You could not penetrate with criticism. We see this a lot with celebrities. I've never seen it in sports close to Michael Jordan. LeBron's got a shoe deal too. But he's been doing a lot of things.

the shoe deal. Michael Early was great and was no more for shoe deals than title, seven, eight years into the league. And when you get the magnifying glass and you really look at Nolan Ryan and you really look at Brett Farb, Aaron Rogers is

significantly better than Brett Farb when you take out the analytics. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Sorry if Aaron's not as likable. Date celebrities, kind of cool. California, a little bit of loof, little bit cocky. He's significantly better than Brett Farb. He's better at the line of scrimmage. He's more cerebral. He's got as good or better

feet and frankly, a quicker release and he's more coachable. Not always the most coachable, but more coachable. Michael's great. Don't get me wrong. But when you put the magnifying glass on LeBron, he just does a lot more at a much higher level than Michael Jordan. He is a better passer. He is a better ball handler. He is bigger. He is stronger. He shoots three balls better. That's not even indisputable. Now, Michael led the world in mid-range jumpers like Westbrook. You can't stop Westbrook at the basket, and Westbrook's great from 12, but you push him out to 22, and what do you say about Westbrook? This is why Michael Jordan loves Westbrook, because Michael Jordan had a lot of Westbrook, hard to play with.

Never, ever a great three-point shooter, and he keeps flinging them up there. The difference is Westbrook's never had Phil Jackson, and and a teammate that perfectly fits him like Scotty Pippen. Good stuff. Doug Gottlieb is around the corner. When car shopping, why don't you consider GEICO? They've been doing it for 75 years. Pretty simple. They know how to save you money.

Geico.com. Joy Taylor is joining me in a Monday and the guy that filled in for me last week. I suspect most of the days I was in Canada. They've got workable TVs, but I wasn't watching them that much. My buddy Doug Gottlieb after me on Fox Sports Radio. Come on out. Dugger. Chris Sims today, Dean Blandino, Rob Ryan, the Dugger.

By the way, I was saying this is that Bill Parcells years ago, there's kind of a legendary story. Chris Sims is on top of the hour, but there's a legendary story about Bill Parcells with Phil Sims, and that he would dog him at practice and go, oh, you went 10 for 12 today at practice. Congratulations. You may want to throw the ball down the field.

And Parcells wanted Phil Sims to be more aggressive. And Bill said, you want to win in this league, you can't do it on 14 play drives. You've got to throw the ball at the top. I think I know what Sam Darnold is going to look like this year. I think he's going to have 21 picks, six fumbles, and be hella exciting, and have a little farve and a little luck. And I'm totally okay with that, right? Did you say hella exciting?

Yeah. Did you spend some time in Northern California where they say hella in every other sentence? Is that what you did? Well, Canada. A. Hoser. The thing about interceptions, and I heard your opening rant coming in. By the way, Joy, good morning.

Good morning. Good morning. I missed you the last couple of days, but glad you got a long weekend. The thing about interceptions is this. Obviously, there's no greater determinant to who wins and who loses in any sport. Than turnovers. Than turnover. But quarterbacks are used this cliche, but it is in fact true.

Every turnover, every interception has a story in and of itself, right? And what I found to be most interesting in Sam Ronald, and I do think that he is ready-ish, as ready as he could be. That's exactly what I think. that when he was asked after the game about how he played, he didn't actually mention the interception. Because that's not that big a deal. What was a bigger deal was he took a sack in the red zone.

You can't take sacks in red zones. You can't throw interceptions in red zones. Remember Matt Ryan, the year before the MVP season, had a run of interceptions in the red zone. That was a big problem. Can't have those. My issue with starring Sam Donald actually has nothing to do with Sam Donald. It's his offensive line.

It's awful. It's awful. And he doesn't have a particularly good running game. Some of that is the offensive line. Some of that is, I dare you it to name two names in that offensive backfield. He doesn't have a tight end who's a safety weapon. I think his wide receivers are okay. And I understand that being able to call out the protections, being able to keep your eyes

downfield, processing all this information as everything's going on around you, he's doing it at a better clip than many expected. I just, you and I are old enough to have been doing this when David Carr was a disaster. because he was under duress in Houston. And I just, I worry. I also realize, hey, Teddy Bridgewater is the talk of front offices in the National Football League. Because he was a starter.

And if his knee sound, he looks like he could be a starter again. Yeah. Do you sit Teddy Bridgewater and just gloss over and let him sit there, keep him, and then trade him for a second or third? Or do you roll the dice, play him? And then maybe somebody else's quarterback goes down. You'd trade him for a first round bit. I sat with an NFL, a second or a third round.

assistant coach Friday, had a beer with him. And I said, what could you get for Teddy Bridgewater? And this is a very smart guy. And he said, starting right tackle and if I'm the Jets and I can get a starting right tackle and a third round pick, that's another offensive line. You're on your way. Right. So that's my kind of working philosophy is, is like, look, if Sam Donald is as good as you and I think he is, and the Jets think he is, and most people in the NFL, he can be there for 10 years. Right. So do you play him right away? Do you not? I think he's like, think they're going to play them right away. It doesn't matter. But my fear is you play them right away, you run the risk of them getting hurt, and

you could promote Teddy Bridgewater at some point, start Josh McCown, play Teddy Bridgewater in those first three games, and then maybe get a first round pick, probably get a second round pick or a third round pick in a player for him. That's a Jets team that just doesn't have enough overall talent to ever live up to what Sam Donald has. And they're building for next year. Remember, they have $90 million or more in cat space in the coming year. They're setting themselves up for the future. Don't hurt the future by rushing Sam Donald right now. By the way, there are certain things that are gateways to success. Since Ronald Reagan, 12 of the 20, I forget what it is. You go back a certain time. Twelve, not since Reagan, 12 of the last 20 presidents have gone to Ivy

League, Duke, or Stanford. If you're 18 years old and have political ambitions and you're really smart, Ivy League Stanford Duke. It's a pretty good pat. You can go to El Camino, J.C. You can go to Panera State College. You can go to Eastern Washington University. You can go to Fullerton State. Richard Nixon went to Whittier.

Back in the time, it used to be military got you. But if you start looking at schools attended by presidents, the last five presidents, Yale, Yale, Yale, Harvard Penn. Okay, it's pretty good, right? There's something in the NFC. When it comes to the AFC, NFC, North, of their 11 Super Bowls, Bradshaw, Hugh Jarm, Big Ben, huge arm, Farrb huge arm,

Flacco huge arm, Aaron Rogers huge arm. And by the way, Delford and McMahon won in that division. North, they were thick guys. Not great arms, but big thick guys. When I watch Baker, I see Colt McCoy. I see a better Colt McCoy. I see Cody Kessler.

My takeaway is if you look at the Northern Division of football, like the Ivy League for presidents, shouldn't they just a draft of Josh Allen? The kid's 65, 2,40 and's got an arm. He does. and it's one, you're right, and it's because not only does Cleveland play outdoors, but so does Cincinnati, so does Pittsburgh, so does Baltimore, okay? And it is a factor.

I mean, one of the reasons Drew Brees has been as good as he has been in New Orleans is, he plays indoors for eight games a year, nine, counting Atlanta. Okay, and then, of course, look, you still got Tampa, which isn't indoors, but at least it's warm. Therein Peyton Manning, who had troubles always had never threw a great spiral, never had a great arm, India in a dome, and then, of course, went to, Denver where your ball gets some extra bounce because you're playing in altitude. So there is something to the big armed guy.

And frankly, Cleveland had an opportunity there to redshirt Josh Allen. Because if you ask NFL people, they'll say, look, we think Josh Allen could be a player, but the hit rate's going to be higher the more he sits and learns. That's what I've been told. They had Terad Taylor there. By the way, since you've been gone, we've changed the pronunciation from Tyrod to Tarad. That happened one week when you're in Canada. By the way, they could have had Josh Allen at four.

Yes. They could have had him at four. They could have traded the one. But here's what they ran into, okay? Because they had passed on a quarterback at one overall the previous year. Carson Wentz. They felt compelled to go and then they picked the wrong guy. I would still, would have taken Sam Donald.

But yes, Josh Allen would a bit of better fit. The one thing that Baker does fit is Baker has this, I've been told no. right? I've been told no, I get more out of myself than anyone ever. He is a former two-time walk-on. Yes. And he does fit the everyone's still laughing and snickering at Cleveland. Yes. Right?

And so he does fit the mentality of the culture that they want to build. Yes. So that part I get. Yes. And he does wow you. And he does have a microprocessor up there. He throws good football. And he does have a super high IQ football brain.

But he's just, he's not Russell Wilson athletically nor arm strength-wise. and I think that's what they're reaching for. By the way, let me just say this. It's football season, but Darryl Morey's a smart guy. He's like, analytically, LeBron's better than Michael Jordan. Why do you have a problem with that? He didn't say analytically, he went with winshares. Do you know how they calculate win shares?

First of all, your age actually plays a factor, which is ironic because they don't take the factor in the age of the competition you're playing against. It also is basically a statistical formula. It does form wins and losses. but there's a lot in terms of your stats. My problem is that, look, if you want to take analytics, isn't PER, isn't player efficiency rating, an incredibly important, maybe the most important stat?

Even that, I'm, you know. Okay, so you're suspect of that analytics, but not win shares? Because if you take PER, Jordan has the greatest PER. Yeah, LeBron's second. LeBron is second. Do you is third? Shaq is actually third. Will Chamberlain is fourth, I believe.

So, again, analytics have a value there. Yes. Okay. But so does six titles. And then he gave away a year and a half in his prime. How about my theory on this, though, that Jordan would still be great, that there's no, he's relentless. Yes. He would be, there's a lot of Westbrook in him where if he was playing today with Twitter and you could react every shot, you'd be like, hey, dude, you can't shoot three.

Stop. Hey, Michael, you have teammates pass. With Michael, it ended well, so it was great. But we do live, Obama was the first president, to on a daily basis get the vile. Now Trump sees it every day, some of itself induced. But Twitter would have been rough. By the way, Twitter. Hold on, hold up.

First of all, let's... And he couldn't shoot a three. Well, he actually did evolve into becoming a very good jump shooter. Jump shooter. Second of all. And three-point shooters statistically, okay? Second of all, the idea that he couldn't shoot a three. You have Al Horford is a good three-point shooter now as a center.

Right? It's, Steph Curry told me this once. One of the reasons that guys shoot threes so much more fluidly now and so much easier is he's never stepped on a basketball floor that didn't have a three point line. That wasn't the case for Michael Jordan. Right. But if you don't think that Michael Jordan, who led the league in scoring 10 straight years, when you could bully people, when there's two guys in the lane, he couldn't shoot early in his career, but there was a power forward in the center in a lane, guys that aren't there now, that he'd led the league in scoring 10 straight years, he wouldn't evolve into a better three-point shooter. and yet centers nowadays can evolve into three-point shooters. Come on, you're kidding ourselves. Of course he could have evolved with the times.

But think about, led the league is scoring 10 straight years. 30 seconds. And you could hand-check. Now you couldn't hand-check? But by the way, the hand-checking thing works both ways. He was also called a great defensive player. He couldn't stay in front of anybody now. No doubt.

But LeBron's help of the fact he can play bully ball. Yes. Look, it's like quarterbacks. The stats are greater. Points, rebounds, assist, because there's greater pace of play, more three point shots, less people in the lane. I think Jordan would have been fine. I prefer Jordan to LeBron.

Good stuff. His name is Doug Gottlieb. Joy Taylor here for the first hour. Still loaded Chris Sims, Dean Blandino. What in the world is going on with a helmet rule? After my show on Sports Radio, Fox Sports Radio, go over to Doug Gottlieb show. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m.

Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. This is the herd, hour two, wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me on this Monday. We are back tonight. We get Andrew Locke of the Colts. Got a new head coach, Frank Reich from Philadelphia. We have Lamar Jackson, Baltimore.

So far, Joe Flackles look good. By the way, the other guy that's looked good, nobody's talking about, Sam Bradford for Arizona, is like very good. Everybody loves Josh Rosen. Everybody loves Lamar Jackson. Flacco and Bradford, these old guys, have looked pretty good. So Chris Sims in five minutes, eight years in the NFL, Texas, Dad, Phil Sims. We do it every Monday at this time, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. Over the last couple of weeks, here we go.

Where Colin was right? Okay, I said one of the teams in the NFL that everybody thinks is just going to make the next step to win the Super Bowl is Minnesota. They were 13 and 3 last year. Everybody loves the Vikings. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. they're going to pull back. Two reasons. Number one, they have a new offensive coordinator, and that takes time. Number two is they were bizarrely healthy last year on defense. Well, what do you know? This weekend, they had six injuries, three on defense, some season ending.

I'm sorry, but a lot about this sport is just good luck. And defensively schedule coordinators, they got a lot of things going for them last year. Now they got injuries. We still have the biggest pre-season game to come. We got 16 regular season games. Green Bay is better. We already know they won't be as healthy defensively as last year, and we haven't even gotten to the biggest pre-season game yet. Where Colin was wrong.

It would have not surprised me if you would have told me that Rob Gronkowski, gronk came into the NFL, bought a yacht with his brothers, and wasted all his money drinking bud light. Instead, according to a recent story, New England Patriot teammates now go to Gronk for financial advice. Yes, Gronk has become the Patriots poster boy with Brady for financial smarts. In a million years, I would have never guessed that Gronk would become the Warren Buffett of the NFL. He has reportedly never spent a dollar of his earnings.

He still wears high school clothes around town. Good luck. and he lives, no flashy purchases, lives off his endorsement money. Gotta be honest with you. That's a shocker to me. Gronks father's a successful businessman, and he put it in all of his sons

to make sure they take care of their money. I whiffed on that one. Where Colin was right. Said a couple years ago, keep your eye on Jacobi Brissette. He's big, he's tall, he can move, he's got a good arm. Bill Parcells loves him.

And I said he just hasn't been given and the opportunity. But this guy is a second-round talent. He is either the best backup in the league or he's a starter somewhere in this league. I really like him. Well, what do you know? Pro Football Talk reporter, the Seahawks offered a second-round pick for him. They like him too.

Remember, Jimmy Garoppolo went for a second-round pick. Who was on the air for three years saying Garapolo is a starter in this league? He went for a second-round pick. I have been saying for years, Jacoby Brissette hasn't had the right coach and the right opportunity. Well, Seattle, it's interesting why they would go after him because they have Russell Wilson. Maybe they feared Russell Wilson getting hurt with that offensive line. He runs around a lot. Pro Football Talk reports, yeah, Seattle considers him an elite quarterback prospect, like a Garapolo, who also went for a second rounder.

Where Colin was wrong. It's early, but of all the quarterbacks drafted in the first round, Josh Allen at Buffalo, to me, had the biggest whiff potential. I watched him at Wyoming. He was an overstrider. He was inaccurate. in that conference, you've got to give Buffalo coach's credit. He no longer overstriads. He's cleaned it up.

He has been the shock of the five first round draft. Everybody else has sort of looked like you think. Lamar Jackson looks a little anxious, a little overwhelmed. Donald looks good, but a little reckless. Baker Mayfield's small and accurate, runs around. He'll make it in this league. Josh Rosen throws a beautiful football. Josh Allen has been shockingly good.

I think he'll start week one, and you've got to give Buffalo's coaching staff some credit here. He had crappy mechanics in college. I've watched him now play twice. They have completely cleaned him up, and he looks like he could be given time now, but he throws the ball with real accuracy. Always threw it with Zip. Now he's an accurate thrower a couple months with his coaching staff. Where Colin was right?

We predicted a couple of weeks ago. Twitter was going to explode. when the NFL came out in the preseason and called a ton, over-officiated helmet rule hits. And an official came out on TV and said they're going to over-call this so they can collect the database, and they're going to collect the database, and then they're going to go in before the season starts and say, all right, here's all these calls.

Yay, nay, good, bad. Well, what do you know? Twitter's exploding. The world can't get over itself. Everybody's freaking out about all these folks. It's what we told you's going to happen. If your company you work at says, today in an hour we're going to have a fire alarm, and then there's a fire alarm, and you're screaming down the hallway, you're an idiot.

The NFL told us, we're going to over-call this for a month, collect all the data and all the footage, then go back, shrink what we call a helmet-rule infraction. We're all going to be okay here, guys. We're all going to be okay. Where Colin was wrong. I'm anti-golf guy. If I interview you for a job on any show I've ever done, I always try to fool you and go, oh, I love golf.

Do you love golf? And if you say, oh, I love golf, I'm on PGATour.com all day. I don't hire you. Golf sidetracks you. Golf becomes a fascination. You're on internet all day. You're playing golf. You're scheduling going to Scotland right in the middle of the football season.

I'm an anti-golf guy. I am not a golf guy, Colin. That's why. It distracts people. Well, I'm wrong. Steph Curry has proved that you can be great at golf and other stuff. Steph Curry says this weekend the Timberwolves didn't draft him

because he told him how much he liked golf and how he was fascinated with it and the Minnesota GM at the time said well if you like golf you're not going to play much in Minnesota and you're going to be miserable here so you better go somewhere that you can actually play some golf so Steph Curry is great at something and is great at golf which I didn't think was possible

well Minnesota really they made the right choice there huh where Colin was right Johnny Flynn I think who they picked. You ever notice Roger Federer, Nick Saban, the New England Patriots, Yukon Women's Basketball, Serena Williams, didn't create their own nicknames. I've always had a theory.

When you start giving yourself a nickname a little too early, you're always toast. Legion of Boom! Yeah, that thing's over. Lob City! Yeah, that thing's over. You know what's not over? Serena Williams. Nick Saban, Patriots, Spurs, Dynasty.

By the way, Jacksonville for the first time and forever is decent and what did they do, Joy, they gave themselves a nickname. Saxonville. Well, what do you know? Jalen Ramsey came out this weekend and ripped everybody. Said Josh Allen at Buffalo's trash. Garoppel's all schemes.

Dak Prescott isn't the leader of that team. Joe Flacco sucks. Matt Ryan's overrated and Andrew Luck isn't very good. Oh, great. Often teams you'll be playing and you put a big target on your back But my bad, you've got a cool nickname. Saxonville. You know who doesn't?

Alabama. Serena. Federer. Where Colin was right? Finally, Daryl Morey, Houston GM, MIT, Sloan Analytics Conference, finally came out and said what everybody's petrified to say, I know you're landlocked on this six-for-six thing, but analytically, analytics are a magnifying glass to the truth.

LeBron's better than MJ. A six for six, six for six, six for six. Bill Russell's got 11. Robert Orr, he's got seven. Casey Jones has like eight or nine. Can you stop with a six for six? Here's another number. Points, rebounds, assists, finals appearances.

Those numbers all favor LeBron. Darry came out and said it's actually analytically not even that close. For the record, LeBron has five more years. Minimum. All right. Here we go via the coward, global satellite network. Eight years in the NFL. All right, Chris Sims.

You've been a young quarterback. You know the pressure. You know your dad's a legend in New York. Let's talk Sam Darnold. Would you start him week one if you're the Jets? Yes, hands down I would start him. I've heard some of the things you've said about Sam Darnold, and I agree with a lot of the things you've said about him.

First of all, I've been around him, and just on a personal level, his personality can handle the New York City environment. He is very flat line, can be like Phil Sims or Eli Manning where it's never too high or never too low. So yes, I would start him. And you know, I know. The Jets aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. We know that. So get on with it.

The NFL, the quarterback position, it's so hard for practice to emulate 70,000 fans, the coach in your ear. Oh, and Von Miller's trying to rip off your head. real. The only way you can get used to that is getting out there on the field. And I think he's looked pretty good so far in the preseason. I would start him if I'm the Jets. By the way, Chris, sometimes, and I'm guilty of this, we forget what kind of college coaching you had. You know, Marcus Marietta had Chip Kelly, and then he goes to the NFL and his coach is already fired, is that when I watch Josh Allen at Wyoming and how bad his mechanics got, then I watch him with this Buffalo staff, I'm like, time out. Like this kid with better coach.

he was an over strider. He was wild. I watched him this weekend. I got to be honest, Chris. I think I was way wrong on this kid. I think a lot of people were wrong. I'm not going to sit there and point at you personally. I'd like to take a few jabs at you, but I won't. I mean, he is. He's a big time talent. And, you know, the things you saw in college, they were concerning, certainly. There's no doubt about it. But you do have to take into the full scope of protection, the environment and he played in, which was in the blizzard sometimes. His team was not capable of competing against some of the other teams he played. He had no big-time receivers. But it's always easier to teach the home run hitter how to hit singles than it is the singles hitter to hit home runs. And that's what Josh Allen is.

He's a phenomenal athlete. I really give credit to, like you've said, the Bill's coaching staff, and Jordan Palmer. Jordan Palmer, we saw Senior Bowl Combine. The mechanics were starting to clean up little by little. But I'm with you. I think he's been the most impressive rookie quarterback to this point. Just the pure physical ability is jaw-dropping at times with his arm and then his ability to escape the pocket, break tackles, and turn the corner.

I think he's turned the corner more than any of other these rookie quarterbacks, even more than Lamar Jackson. But I've been super impressed. And like Sam Darnold, I think he has the personality, again, to be a starter. I'm so sick of hearing, oh, we don't want to ruin him as a rookie quarterback. Well, if he gets ruined four games in the year of his rookie season, then he's not your quarterback of the future anyways, right? So get him out there, get him playing, and let's move on and try to get him those reps.

Yeah, you sound like Joy Taylor. She's always saying, Colin, if he's good, he's good. You can have a bad album. Just, you know, I mean, Drew Breeze had a bumpy start. Guys have had bumpy. Right. Over, overcome it. Now, I will say this with Baker Mayfield.

I've never thought he's going to be a bust. I think the ceiling's way lower than everybody else thinks. But if you're the Browns, and I actually think they have a good offensive line, run blocking line, they have a good slot receipts. They got some pass rushers. I actually think they're not the jets where they have no old line. They could help them a little. Would you go with Baker or would you go with Tyrod to Thanksgiving?

I look at their schedule. Boy, it's really rough early, Chris. You could put Baker to the wolves. What do you do with that? Yeah, it is a tough decision. The Browns are a little bit of a different scenario. I always err on telling you, let's get the quarterback out there. If he looks good in the preseason, physically capable like Baker Mayfield has,

if he's understanding the offense, which it looks like he does to this point, I always err on saying, let's get the rookie out there. Like you said, Drew Breeze, he hit a few bumps in the road. Peyton Manning's rookie year was nothing great, but I know his second year, he went 13 and 3 and was the number one seat in the AFC playoffs. So I do want to say Playbaker, but the Browns have also been 1 in 31, and they are trying to create a new culture there, a winning culture. They're trying to get some better in leadership.

That's why they bring in a Tyrod Taylor and a Jarvis Landry. the defense is real, the offensive line is real as well, and they should be able to run the ball to help out whatever quarterback it is. I just look at it right now and go, man, if Baker-Mayfield plays another good game, pre-season game number three and pre-season game number four, wow, it's going to be hard to stop that Cleveland fan base from really clamoring to get him out there. And what are they going to do?

Are they going to go to the playoffs with the Tyrod Taylor and then abandon ship? I don't think so. Again, I think if he is an understanding of the, playbook and you feel like he's mentally capable of going out there in the field, I would start him too. Tyrod Taylor's a good player, but I don't think he's the future of the franchise. I think he's a guy that, you know, manages an offense, takes care of the football, and makes a play from time to time.

But I do think Baker Mayfield's potential is better than a Tyrae Taylor. By the way, Andrew Luck plays tonight. I said he went 11 and 5, 11 and 5, 11 and 5, 11 and 5 with a hideous offensive line and no running game and a defensive-minded coach. I think he's going to rebound. We're going to get six, seven great years. of him. Talk about injuries, because you played Tampa Bay five years, you played for Denver, you played for Tennessee, and you got banged around a little. When you're coming off an injury,

how hard is it for Andrew Luck and quarterbacks to not hear footsteps now post-injury? Yeah, right, yeah. I mean, he's a superstar, and that's why he's Andrew Luck, and that's why I'm Chris Sim sitting here talking to you. But he is fearless. I'll say, coming off injury, the speed of the game, You always hear that, right? The game slows down for the guys that are really comfortable. Brady, Aaron Rogers, they see the game in slow motion. I know when I came back from injury and I was out of football for over a year as well, I felt like it was just chaos at first.

It took me a while to get used to the people around me in the pocket, the speed of the receivers once again. Andrew Luck, being the natural he is. He looked pretty damn impressive last week against Seattle. And I look for things like, you know, what did his mechanics look like? Were they any different? Did the ball pop out of his hands with less velocity, less spiral on it? All those things, it looked like the old Andrew Luck to me. I thought it was a good start. And I do think people have forgotten that Andrew Luck was without a doubt one of the five best quarterbacks in the sport, or at least in that conversation before this injury.

Yes. And I do think he will get back to that form with Frank Reich now there. And that offense, it fits his skill set. They're building an offensive line finally. And I think we'll see the return of Andrew Luck in a big way. I think he's going to show Jalen Ramsey who he is a little bit. NBC Bleacher Report, NFL analyst. Convince your dad, he can come on our show too. We'd love to have him. Chris, it is great seeing you.

Thanks, Colin. I appreciate it, man. We'll get dad on here for you, for sure. All right, thanks. Chris Sims, good stuff. NFL eight years. Played at Texas, knows his stuff. And agrees with me.

And he agrees with Joy Taylor that just throw him in the pool. That's how you learn to swim. Just throw him in the pool. Literally everything he said about Sam Donald, you could apply to the Brown. I've got to tell you. I will say this, though, is if you look at the bust rate on first round quarterbacks last five years, it's going down, there were moments where all of them look good. I mean, like, there were times with Baker, I'm like, you know, he moves, I always knew he'd move well and he throws well.

I'm like, you know, Baker could play in the NFL and win games right now. I don't think he's as big or as strong as Darnel or the ceiling. He doesn't throw a ball as pretty as Josh Rosen. He's not as fast as Lamar. He's certainly not as big as Josh Allen. But I'm telling me, I'm watching all these young quarterbacks. of them, Lamar looked a little overwhelmed first week. But by the second week, second game, you're like, he's a little more comfortable. We're not going to go five for five, but the bust

rate on first round quarterbacks 15 years ago and today, I don't know, all these guys have looked, I know it's preseason, but preseason does show you one thing. Overwhelmed. It doesn't show you a ton, but Dak Prescott was not overwhelmed. Overwhelmed when I'm, because I've seen guys and you're like, oh God, they're just out of their, they're absolutely petrified. All these guys, Lamar was the only one in my week two. You're like, all right, he's pretty comfortable. He feels pretty good about this. It's fun.

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Casper.com code herd terms and conditions apply. Baker Mayfield, I'll say this. As a consumer, I'm a viewer. He's fascinating. Very few people get me to a TV beyond going to a TV to watch games. Baker Mayfield, totally in. Again, that doesn't matter to a GM.

It doesn't matter to a head coach. It matters to an owner. They like to fill seats. You know, Bryce Harper is going to fill more butts in seats than Mike Trout. Mike Trout's probably the better player. But Baker Mayfield, fascinating. He's like Johnny Mansell with talent.

Yeah, that's what he is. Well, then he went to the right place, right? Yes, he did. By the way, so Tom Brady plays the Eagles this past week and like, threw the ball 26 times. Everybody's like, I'm like, God, he is sticking it to Philadelphia. No, not really.

It's the ABCs of why Tom Brady threw the ball 26 times. A, he wasn't in OTAs. B, New York. England's wide receiver car is changing by the week and see his best receiver's out for a month. This is not about Tom Brady holding a grudge. This isn't revenge. This is Tom Brady trying to learn people's names. Since April 3rd, we're going to use a scroll here.

Since April 3rd, when they traded Brandon Cooks to the Rams. Now, I'm going to roll these. These are the transactions New England's made in their wide receiving core. I'm not even going to try to read them. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,

12. They haven't made a move in about a week. Malcolm Mitchell got released. And it signed Eric Decker. I don't think this is a revenge thing. This is a stick-it-to-fil-Defiladelphia thing. Right now, New England's two most reliable receivers.

in the first month of the season because Edelman's out, are Gronk, who's averaging 10 and a half games a year and receiver James White, who's a running back, but a very good receiver. That's it. So you've got an offensive line they're rebuilding. You've got a weird chemistry. Gronks often hurt. Edelman's out for a month. And you've made 12 moves since April 3rd.

You know, people bang on Dallas is why you're. receivers but Cole Beasley will be available week one and people bang on Seattle's wide receivers but Doug Baldwin's pretty good and he'll be available week one they're not going to have Julian Edelman for the first month this is a mess Brady no OTAs Brady new guys trying to learn names that's why he's planned this much to me it's you know Tom's not a guy into grudges once you go to the eight Super Bowls you're not really a grudge guy anymore joy Taylor with the news This is the herd line news.

So Broncos fans were not pleased to see Paxton Lynch enter Saturday's preseason game against the Bears, the Denver crowd booed Lynch, and when he entered the game is the third stringer behind Case in Kienem and Chad Kelly. And here's Vance Joseph on that moment. Well, I feel bad for Paxton, you know, but our fans want to win. And that's what it's about is about passion, I should say. But, you know, I feel bad for Paxton. But he has to ignore it and go play. It's professional football.

You know, no one's going to hold your hands. So he has to go out there and perform. You know, I struggle with this because I do feel bad for him, but I also like when fans have standards. Yes. So, you know, it sounds kind of stupid like you're going there and you're booing someone on your own team. But they want to win.

They have a tradition of excellence. Like, they don't want to settle for what's not great. And it's tough to have excellent. in that spot, but it's the pros. If it's college, I feel differently. Well, if that was my son, I would break my heart. Of course. I wouldn't go to games if that was my son.

Okay, I couldn't watch my son being booed. I just wouldn't go to the, I'd watch on TV or up in some booth somewhere and avoid the fans. Here's the other thing. I'm not a booer. I've never gone to a sporting event and booed. So it's hard for me. John knows this. We've talked about this before. I have never

ever, ever gone in my life and done this at a game. boo! I've never said that. I don't even say that word on Halloween. I mean, so I don't... I don't feel comfortable saying I've never done that. I'm positive.

Are you a booer? Not my own team. I don't believe in booing my own team. I've yelled some things at refs before. It's a little different. You know, like, I definitely booed the other team before. I'm not a booer or a taunter. I have, I will say this.

I've gone to an NBA game and knowing a player knows who I am. been giving them crap, like funny crap. You're not, you're like, you're, you're, you're kind of a kind trash chocker, though. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm like I, like I yell at Chris Paul. Keep investing in mutual funds. I give advice and wisdom. I don't like to be a jerk.

That's very distracting. Yeah, hey. I feel, I feel like the, the normal fan booing stuff is easier to ignore. Your savings rate's a little low. That's like a, you know, throw you off your game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get them. Yeah, I can't say I'm as well, I've been as well-behaved. I think you're a, first of all, you're a muralist, so you're an artist, so I can tell you right now.

Oh. Oh. Well, you know what? There are plenty of people out there that would agree with that. You're an artist. So what are you saying? I'm crazy. You emote. I'm not an artist. Oh, yeah, I am. I am an emot. I am an emotor. Yes. So LeBron doesn't play in Cleveland anymore, but he still apparently believes in the Browns.

He answered a tweet from the APs Tom Withers, who asks, can the Browns handle Jarvis Landry, Antonio Callaway, Josh Gordon, and Des Bryant. LeBron responded, yes, they can. And more sign to change the culture, which the head coach has been doing, and bringing in players that can win games and make plays. Helps. Why not? Well, first of all, LeBron James is a Cowboys fan.

Yeah. So I understand that he doesn't mean he can't pay attention to other teams, obviously, because, you know, I don't know that you're a particular fan of any team. Right. But I can be a fan and talk about other teams. But he is a Cowboys fan. Second of all, you know, when you have a LeBron, on your team. It's a little easier to bring in

some big personalities. You may have some off the field or off the court issues. Right. It's not exactly how it's been established with the Browns as of yet. But I do get what he's saying. And also, I don't think it's bringing in as Brian would really be a problem. I think you can bring in a diva if you have a, like Pittsburgh's got

a veteran coach, veteran quarterback. I can roll the dice. If I, you know, now they have plenty of good receivers, but I would roll the dice if you have a veteran coach, a good family, good ownership. But if you're, if you're like, Tampa right now is James Winston running the show, dirt cutters on the hot seat, then I'm not rolling the dice.

But if I have a Belichick, Brady, a Matt Ryan, Dan Quinn, I'll roll the dice in the guy. Cleveland's now on a rolling dice in about three of them. That's what I'd worry about. Because Jarvis Landry's not exactly quiet either. No, no, no. He's a talker. No, but, I mean, you're always going to have big personalities on your team. And I think that's what makes the Browns interesting this year.

On top of that, they have Baker Mayfield and the quarterback situation with Tyrod Taylor. it's just more of establishing a winning culture than it is establishing a culture where you can balance personalities. Finally, despite the addition of Kevin Durant, Steph Curry is obviously still the face of the Warriors organization. It's weird to think of Steph Curry's suiting up for another team. But the good news is Steph completely agrees. He explained to Bill Simmons, who asked if he wanted to be a warrior for life.

For sure, I do. Yeah, this is home. This is where I want to be for obvious reasons. I love the Bay Area. Yeah, man. I actually, the only reason I go home now is if my sister's getting married or to go play the Hornets for that one game. So I haven't really been back much, but I haven't really put my mind there. We've talked a lot about some of the changes that could come to the Warriors the next couple years with Clay Thompson's father, Michael. Made some similar comments recently. He said, you can mark it down. Clay is going to retire in the Warriors uniform. He's going to play at Chase Center. If he's not going to be at the Chase Center as a visiting player, he's going to be a warrior for the next seven or eight years. It always felt it does feel like to me if anybody was going to leave, it would be Durant,

who's a little bit emotionally able to wander. And Draymond Green at some point is going to become too expensive for his skill set. I think there's, despite what his father says, I do think there's a chance Clay could leave also. I don't know. Clay is very underappreciated there. Oh, my, I know, but you know, it doesn't bother him. Not by the team and not by the fans. I'm just saying in general, he is overlooked. But I don't think it bothers him.

Now, it bothers me that I'm overlooked. No, some people it bothers. You know, I got a chip on my shoulder. Clay Thompson's got great self-esteem, great dad, great family. He's very consistent. He just does, you know, he's not some crazy, you know, ego, run amok. He's, I think he and Steph stay forever. You're talking about dads were pros, raised good, good dads, good home, no self-esteem.

They're not. just they're just dudes, right? They don't, there's no win for them to leave a dynasty. Draymond Green may look up in a couple years and they're like, Draymond, we're not paying you $22 million a year to be the bouncer in the club. Like, and that I think makes total sense. And I love Dremont, but there is a point with his skill set. You're like, dude, you're not much of a shooter.

And we lost a rant to somebody. Then I think Dremon could be in trouble. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. You know, I was singing about this watching Baker Mayfield. I'm not anti-Baker.

I told you before, I wouldn't have drafted him number one because I believe that because of that city and that northern climate, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, or the NFC, North, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. You need a big, strong guy. And I was saying this, 14 of the last 20 presidents and the last five all went to the Ivy League. If you want to be presidents, there's a pathway to success. go to the Ivy League or Stanford, right? Or maybe Duke. In the NFL, if you look at the AFC North in the NFC North when I'm watching Baker Mayfield, I'm not doubting that Baker Mayfield in August can look really good. But you start adding up the Super Bowls in AFC and NFC North history since Terry Bradshaw,

and there's 11, and 9 of the 11 had bizarrely unique arm strength. And the two that didn't McMahon and Dilfer were big, thick dudes. like built for the winter, like bears. It is hard. I've seen Cleveland draft. Colt McCoy, Cody Kessler, Baker Mayfield. That can work in a dome. That can work in Arizona. That can work in Atlanta.

That can work in Carolina. You get to these northern climates, man, October. It's raining. November. It's raining sideways. December, January. I'm not anti. I'm just saying they passed on Carson Wentz.

They passed on Sam Donald. They passed on Josh Allen. I like in cold climates, big, strong arm quarterback. Matt Ryan is not the same guy if he's playing in Green Bay. Aaron Rogers, that ball cuts through that wind. Josh Rosen's going to work in Arizona. I wouldn't like Josh Rosen in Pittsburgh.

Climate matters. This is not like the NBA were indoors. And I think that's one of my things about Baker is if Josh Allen hits, that's going to be a bad look. That is not going to be a great look for Cleveland. If they passed on Wentz, Donald, and Josh Allen, bigger, stronger guys. because I don't doubt Baker can succeed, but he looks small, and he didn't have a big,

he didn't have a big old arm, and it's the North, and we have a history. You want to be president? Last 20 presidents, 14 went to the Ivy League. Last five went. There is a pathway to success. There's also a pathway to failure. If you do certain things before the age of 25, it increases your, you know, chances to be in financial peril. Coming up next, Dean Blandino, what do we make of the helmet rule? He'll solve some issues for us. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Don't be the guy in the room with a long, sloppy looking untuck shirt, Untucket shirts made to fall at the perfect length.

Untucket.com. Code herd 20% off. Untucket.com. Well, he's a former senior vice president of officiating. We've got a new issue in NFL officiating. And like the catch rule, it's driving people, especially on social media, absolutely insane. Dean Blandino, Fox NFL and college football rules analyst. All right.

So we've got to start with one. This is the one where the internet imploded, exploded, whatever, it ploded something. Here we go. It's Minnesota. This was called. This is rough in the passer or something. And people went nuts. Here it is.

Dean, what do you make of it? So there's always an officiating controversy, right? So this is a point of emphasis. Hasn't been spoken about that much. But what they don't want is they don't want defenders lifting and driving the quarterback to the ground and landing on him with his full body weight. That said, this play to me is not necessarily a foul. Looks like he lands more off to the side. There is a little bit of, you know, they use oomph as kind of a term.

So there's a little bit of oomph, but I would say that that is probably right on the edge. And it looks like he lands off more to the side than with his full body weight. So that's not the helmet thing. That is not the helmet thing. That is a foul that has always been on the books. You can't drive the quarterback to the ground and land on him with your full body weight. But it is a point of emphasis because what they are seeing is a lot of these injuries, shoulders, collar bones are happening. Aaron Rogers.

Aaron Rogers are happening on those types of plays. Now, is it possible that they just want to collect data and they're over-officiating? Now, these games don't count. So I have no problem with an official saying, guys, over-officiate this call tonight, and then we'll collect the database, and then we'll sit down in eight days before the season and get it right. Is it possible they're doing that? That's exactly what they're doing. The preseason, if you look at the preseason foul numbers, they're always higher than the regular season.

Oh, they are. They are. I remember 2014, we had points of emphasis, defensive holding, offensive pass interference. We were calling 21 fouls a game in the preseason. And it's about 12 and a half? Well, it probably closer to 15, 16, but that's five or six fouls less during the regular season. So what they're doing now is they're going to over-officiate, they're going to make calls when it's questionable, and then hopefully look at it, study it, and fix it for the regular season.

Let me defend offensive guys here. I'm a cornerback. I'm Richard Sherman. And my receiver, I grab him, I push him out of the way. And here comes a 229-pound running back running downhill with a head start. and it's third and two. So he can't get past me here. He lowers his head.

Okay, I can tackle him with my arms. He's dragging me for a first down. He's going to get the first down. So my takeaway is when a running back gets a head start, puts his head down, the only way for me to stop him at the point of collision is with my shoulders and my body weight lunging forward. What does a corner do? It's tough.

A corner, especially he's giving up probably 40, 50 pounds in that situation. he's got to get low, right? He's got to create some leverage. If he's going to drop his shoulders, the head's going to go with it. And he has to keep the head out of it or keep his head up, which is easier said than done. I feel for defenders in that situation. And again, with the back, the rule applies to the back as well. If a running back lowers his head and initiates contact with the crown,

the problem is historically officials officiate the defense first in plays like this, safety fouls. And the back is almost an effort. their thought. So they have to kind of shift that thinking and make sure they're looking at both players. Because it does feel like it's slanted overwhelmingly to a defensive player, to an offensive player. And I saw running backs all weekend lower their head. And I think corners, especially, because most good corners in this league weigh about a buck 88 to a buck 94. And if you're giving up 40 pounds on a third and three, you're dead. There's nothing you can do. All right, let's talk about Jarvis Landry had a hit. Joy, did you think this was dirty or not?

I do think it's dirty because if it was a defensive player, then they would have been called. So let's show the hit. So we can call it fairly. The only thing I think is dirty about this is the old unsuspecting thing where somebody was caught off guard, which give me a break. It's football. Special teams is all about, is this dirty. So you can make that block. He's coming from the outside in.

And the key is he can't go to the head and he can't go below the waist. So when I looked at this, it's close in terms of did he get him in the head, neck? area because if he goes shoulder to the body, he's legal. I think there's some history here, obviously. When Jarvis was with Miami, you go back, Aaron Williams. So they're going to be hyper-sensitive to this type of block. It is close. I think the officials, and I agree with Joy, when it's a safety thing, if that's anywhere

near that head-neck area, it should apply to the offensive player as well as the defensive player. And if it's close in that head-neck area, it should be a foul. Now, the catch rule has been modified. Yes. know what drove us crazy. Have you seen anything in the preseason that lead you to believe it's a problem? Or do you think they've sort of distilled it down to pretty simple stuff?

You know, I think the catch rule, there's been so much talk about the helmet rule. I think the catch rule is just lying in wait. And I think, and we're going to get to week two or three, and the catch rule is going to pop up. And we're going to have catch controversy. Because I get what the competition committee did. They took those handful of plays that everybody thought should have been catches. And they made them catches. And that's fine. Make the rule more in line. with what people think it should be. But again, we just don't know on these other plays.

What are the unintended consequences? Because now you've got control, body part, and a football move. Well, that's subjective, too. And what is a football move? On the Jesse James play, it's obvious. That looks like a touchdown to me. That looks like a touchdown to me, too. And now they've written the rule to make that a touchdown.

But there are going to be plays where it's not that obvious, and we're going to get into this debate. Was it a football move or was he just going to the ground? By the way, we're going to look at that video in 20 years and go, they didn't give them a touchdown? Like it'll be the dumb period of the NFL. Like we'll be just like, that wasn't a... And we may look in 20 years and look back at these helmet hits and say,

wow, that was part of the game. And I think that's where the NFL wants to go and get the head out of the game. So in 20 years, we're not talking about it. How about this? Now, in college, this is brutal. They'll just throw a guy out. Sometimes way too fast. And football is a very...

I mean, again, I played it at a high school level with slower guys. But high school, especially in the secondary, stuff happens fast. Sure. Guys are in a crossing route. You're back peddling. All of a sudden you come up. You're looking at a tight end. There's a catch boom.

It's like a pilot where I can put it on an aisle of pilot. I see the thunder and lightning coming. A lot of stuff is bang, bang. I wonder this. Would you be as an official so it's a star player? It's Earl Thomas. And it's a safety. And it's a bad hit.

do you have is there something in your head as an official saying God he's a star player I'm just not going to throw him out of the game isn't that something sure there shouldn't be when they get to this level that that should not be a factor

I can't sit here as an amateur psychologist and say that it's not in the back of someone's mind but you're throwing somebody out of a playoff game there's no question in the first quarter of a playoff game I would imagine that an official is going to be less likely to throw out a star player

unless it's just blatantly obvious. I mean, seriously, it's not like Atlanta where you have three wide receivers. If it's Seattle and it's Doug Baldwin, I'm going to give them a pass because they go from Doug Baldwin to household item. It's a big gap between Doug. If I'm an official,

I would be so reluctant to throw out a star. And, you know, historically, the league has not wanted officials to eject players unless it was clear. And they've always said, don't eject if you have any doubt. We'll deal with it during the week.

We can look at the tape. We're less likely to make a mistake. We can suspend. So that's just historically officials are less likely to throw players out. But I think where we're going with these new rules is they want officials, if it's warranted, to eject players. You were the vice president of officiating. Have you ever gotten a text to a call in the last month about, holy moly,

the cockpit's gotten really confusing? Are officials concerned about just every year major changes? In the last hour, you know, I've... Every year there seems to be something officiating is a hot button topic. And there's always, you know, with the new rules, I feel like the helmet rule, one of the issues with the helmet rule is not the rule itself. It's just how it was implemented. And I feel like, you know, normally a rule like this is vetted out. Competition Committee looks at it.

They meet with the Players Association at the competition. None of that happened. Thank you. It was just kind of injected into the sport. Hey, by the way, game at 4 o'clock. Good luck. Dean Blandino, great seeing you. Hour 3, Rob Ryan.

It's a Monday. It's the herd. This is the herd. Hour number three, wherever you may be in, however you may be listening live in Los Angeles. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me a rambunctious Monday today. Doug Gottlieb is stopped by.

Dean Blandino, Chris Sims. fun today. It has. Rambunctious is a great word. Yeah, we just because a lot of stuff. And I said earlier, you're in a motor. I am. I should probably be more of an emotor. But if I'm a non-emotor and you're a motor,

our motor skills work well together. Does that make sense? It's all about balance. I think the words were all messed up there, but it is about balance. It's great to have you. And it coming up in 15 minutes, long time NFL defensive coordinator, Rob Ryan is going to join us on the show today. Tonight, we wrap up the second week of the NFL

preseason. Andrew Luck, my guy, is in action on Monday Night Football against Lamar Jackson. So let me start there. Think about what we have in the league right now. We have five Hall of Famers, and all of them still have years left. Brady Breeze Ben, Rogers, Russell Wilson. Don't argue he is. Five Hall of Famers with a lot of years left. We have four guys who will get Hall of Fame votes.

Eli, a lot of people think he'll get in. Cam Newton, I criticize him. MVP, all-time great running quarterback, still has five years left. He's going to get votes. Matt Ryan, five, six years left at this pace, going to get votes. And Philip Rivers, going to get a lot of votes. So we're nine in for absolute Hall of Famers, and certainly with a lot of years left, going to get votes.

Oh, wait. Oh, wait. There's three more guys that are three of the most talented guys I've ever watched. They're just coming off injuries. Carson Wentz, Deshawn Watson, and Andrew Luck. And if I said with any of them, seven more years of their best football, they would be Hall of Famers. Okay, do the math now. Five, four, three.

I'm 12 in. That's 40% of the league. Then there's three other guys right now who have shown us in this now league where having an offensive coach with the rule changes, Joy, really elevates you. There's three other guys who at their best so far have blown us away. Gough McVeigh, Shanahan Garoppolo have never lost together, and Derek Carr and John Gruden, if he can get it ramped up here after taking a decade off. I'm at 15. That's half the league.

That's half the league is a Hall of Famer. We'll get votes. Spectacular Hall of Fame talent off an injury. And three young guys who look like. their Hall of Fame talents with the coaches they're aligned with. I'm not even counting anybody in this draft class. And if you look at the history of draft classes, when five quarterbacks go in the first round, one's going to pop. Not five or four, but at least one and probably two pop. And if they get the right coach, eight, nine years stretch, their Hall of Famers.

I sit around and I watch this stuff, Andrew Luck tonight, Lamar Jackson, Baltimore, Indianapolis. and I'm watching football and I'm thinking between the rules, the coaching, the spacing, the quarterback camps, the seven-on-seven stuff at the high school level, the spread offense and college football, we've never had a time this good. I go back to an era that everybody always talks about. Elway, Marino. Oh, the 80s, late 80s, all right. You had Elway and Marino.

And you had Joe Montana. You had Jim Kelly and Warren Moon. Those five guys were good. Hall of Fame guys. The drop-off got... It dropped off. You got into a bunch of Phil Sims stuff. I like Phil Sims.

His son's on today in an hour. But you didn't have layer after layer after layer. We got 15 guys in this league that are Hall of Famers. We'll get votes, Hall of Fame talent off injury, and three guys that look like it could be really, really special. That's half the league. And I'm not counting this rookie. class where I've said, I think Donald's going to be a 15-year Andrew Luck level if he can stay

a healthy starter in the National Football League. Sometimes you've got to take a deep breath, stay off social media, appreciate how much good we have. Let me shift to this. Speaking of the young quarterbacks, I watch Sam Darnold, he's pretty good, and here's what I hear all the time. You know, there's an old saying among guys, you want to date a pretty girl? got to ask her out. She's not going to come up to you. She's not going to come up to you. You want to date a pretty girl.

You got to go up to her and say, want to have a coffee, and then maybe a glass of wine, and second date, and maybe she likes you. Just don't drool on yourself. Maybe you have a shot. But you got to ask her out, meaning you've got to have a little courage,

and you have to be willing to make a mistake, and you have to be willing to embarrass yourself. Okay. Sam Darnold's going to throw interstate. Who cares? You want to play it safe and never leave your hometown? Marry your high school sweetheart. Nothing wrong with that. There's a world out there of opportunity. You're going to fall flat on your arse. Brett Farve's the all-time leader in interceptions. Peyton Manning is the all-time NFL rookie leader in interceptions. By year four, he still through

23. Ben Rothersberger, 23 is a rookie. Eli Manning, interception machine. Drew Brees, Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw. Folks, who gives a rip? To date the pretty girl, you've got to ask her out. Peyton Manning was a turnover machine. So was Brett Fav. So was brother Eli. Breeze throws a lot.

You want to know who doesn't throw interceptions number one and two in the league last year. Tyrod, Taylor, and Alex Smith. They both got traded. What is my knock on Dak Prescott? I call him dink and dack underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath, stretch the field. All-time quarterback interceptions leaders. The minute Peyton Manning gets inducted into the Hall of Fame, seven to ten,

seven of ten are the all-time interception leaders. They take a chance. Those guys in Silicon Valley weren't born there. They move there. You talk to anybody who's an angel investor. They have whiffed. Ashton Couther is the guy in Hollywood. He's an angel investor.

100 grand for this. 200 grand for this. A million for this. He's hit two home runs. He's whiffed on 20. Who cares if guys throw picks? Deshawn Watson had two games last year. Remember this, Joy?

I think one was Seattle. One was New England. And everybody was like, okay, Deshawn Watson's amazing, officially amazing. He threw five interceptions in those two games. Well, time out. You're upset that Donald threw one pick in the preseason. He threw five picks in the games you fell in love with him.

So what? Take chances. Roll the dice. Ask her out. Put money on a company that has very little chance to succeed but could hit a home run. You got to take chances. I've always said, one of the most important things about a quarterback is a short memory. You can't be paralyzed by asking a good.

girl out and she just says not interested? All right, who's next? You're a hook. There's a sea of fish. Take a chance. Roll the dice. Go. It's okay. Whiff. Sam Darno's going to throw 20 picks this year if he starts. He's going to fumble seven times. And that means he's throwing the ball down the field, a little reckless, but guess what? You know what he's doing? He's taking chances. Do you want Tyrod Taylor? He got Buffalo to the playoffs. They got rid of him. You want Alex Smith? He got Kansas City. They got rid of him. Dak Prescott, I like him.

By the way, I criticize Cam Newton all the time. Right? Everybody, oh, you hate Cam. You know what I never criticize Cam about? Joy, I never rip his interceptions. Now, I ripped the fact that there's a receiver four feet from him and he sails it over his head. I ripped the fact that his emotional roller coaster and his play consistency is all over the map. You've never heard me rip Cam because he throws a pick.

I could care less. Yes, Sam Donald's going to throw a pick. Lots of them. So what? And every coach in the world cringes when I say that. But in the end, Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith don't throw them. Both were traded. Got to put the ball down the field.

Coming up next, Rob Ryan is going to have a wildly unpopular decision on Sam Darnold. What to do with him? Sam Darnold Jett, start him or not. Rob Ryan around the corner. The NFL preseason continues this week on Fox on Thursday. champion Eagles take on number one pick, Baker Mayfield and the Browns, then Sunday, AJ Green and the Bengals, battle with Sean McCoy, Josh Allen, and the Bills. Catch the games live on Fox or stream them on the Fox Sports app.

Of those four teams, which player do you want to watch the most? I mean, Baker. I know, right? There's something about Baker Mayfield. I think that's probably had something to do with them. That's a good idea for a sitcom. There's something about Baker Mayfield. That's not terrible.

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Check out the true price on TrueCar. Some guys look good in long hair. Our next guest is one of them. Rob Ryan, 19 years coaching in the NFL. You would look ridiculous in short hair. So honestly, you look. You know what? It gives you kind of a wild child look.

that's a look I'm going for. Yeah. So if you are right now with the Jets, and Todd Bowles is the head coach, and you're his defensive coordinator, and after week three, he sits down in a room, and you guys are having a meeting,

and he says, hey, Rob, all you guys, and I'm not sure if this has ever happened, but let's just do a little dry test here. Darnold Bridgewater, who should start? Who would you? raise your hand for? I would go with either Bridgewater or McCowan only because of this, because remember, this Donald's such a good young kid and he's going to be the franchise. Right. All right. Just on past failures of like Troy Aikman, who as one of the greatest

arms I've ever seen in my life, they never won a game as a rookie. Even Peyton Manning is, Hall of Famer as great as he is. Oh God. He got beat up with no line. I'm a little worried about their line. I'd be honest with you. And look, McCowan doesn't need a line. He's tough as nails. He gets killed, you know, crushed all the time. He's played on some of the worst teams ever. Bridgewater, you know, coming back. I think I would take my time with this guy. He's still got a little hitch in his throw. And, you know, sometimes he'll stare down. He's a half-field Reed quarterback where they could teach him to be a full read quarterback. Look, there's no question this guy's your franchise quarterback. I just don't think I'd be in a hurry to rush him.

What if you're in a situation? Buffalo has to play Josh Allen, don't they? Oh, they're lucky. I mean, look, this is the guy that's got all the upside. We talked about it. You know, the kid has a big arm. You liked him more than I did. I liked him better than all of them. I thought Rosen was most ready to play, and I said it on the show. The thing about Josh Allen is you have to have a big arm to succeed out there.

You really do. And, you know, he's a big, really smart guy. He's with Dable, who you loved with the fact that Goff had a quarterback coach, McFay, come in to be the head coach. And it was great for him. This guy's going in there with Brian Davel, who's one of the best offensive minds. He's worked with Josh McDaniels. And so he's been lucky to be around that situation, and he's going to get this kid going. I coach with Brian at two different places.

He's an excellent coach, and he's got great patience. The thing about this guy is he's got the cannon. Oh, no, no, he's got all of that. And look how poisey's looked the first two weeks. Like you even mentioned on your show today about, look, this guy, you know, this guy, he's so far along, he's developed. I got to give him credit, too. This is what's interesting, Rob, I said, and this is not a shot at Wyoming. But let's be honest, Nick Saban's not on that staff.

Sometimes you get a Miami of Ohio staff when Ben's there, and they're younger coaches. They may not even last. And then you go from that to Mike Tomlin, Bill Cower, Pittsburgh Steelers. This Buffalo staff got into the playoffs last year. This kid was an overstrider, an overthrower. It looks like he's been coached up. It just does. There's no question.

And Daibel, you know, they just hired him this year, you know, to come back from Alabama, but he's been with New England forever. Look, he's going in his hometown Buffalo, which is a greatest spot in the world for him. But it's a great move by the head coach McDermott, who's done a great job. He got rid of the personnel staff that was there, which had to go. And I've been 18 years of it. I saw it was the worst I've ever been to. But he did a great job, and he hired a great coach.

He's going to take this young quarterback. Who are you going to play? McCarran? I don't care if he's healthy. I'd never play him. Okay. You know, the other kid that threw five picks and a half? No.

They got a real quarterback here, and the poise he's shown. Oh, it's been great. He's the one guy. Yeah, he's the one guy. I'm like, okay, I missed on that one. He looks really good. Okay, so let's talk veteran quarterback. So Brady comes out against Philadelphia, and he throws 26 times, and the internet explodes.

And my takeaway is, well, God, he didn't know who these guys are. I've never seen, and I really believe this, as great as Belichick and Brady are, they've always had a good O line. Now they're rebuilding. This is the first time I remember a complete, it looks like a rebuild on the O line. They got a bunch of new wide receivers. I kind of thought Tom was playing because Tom needed to play with these new kids. It wasn't like anti-Philadelphia stuff. Right, which is a great, you know, I think those are great points that you make about it.

Because I don't know who these guys are either. And it's amazing, you know, how successful Brady is year in, year out with some guys that, you know, just all of a sudden become players once they're where Brady. The thing is with the offensive line, Dante Scarnacki has been there forever, and he makes unbelievable lines. So he'll get this line going again. but I wasn't that surprised that Brady played as long as he did because really it's about four drives for the game.

Now, Brady's playing against Philadelphia. They never punt. In three years, what? They just don't punt. Yeah, Tom has punted once against the Eagles in multiple games. Right. Like, they don't punt because they go down and score every time. So it's, you know, he wanted to make the best of his four drives, I guess.

But Brady looked exceptional. God, he looked on point. and he looks so good. His accuracy, I mean, I've got to tell you something, he is now a master surgeon of that offense. He knows, when you watch New England play, and I lived in the New England region for a decade, it is surgical.

It's amazing. There's nobody in the league right now that goes to the line and knows what he sees and knows what he does better than Brady. Oh, yeah. I mean, and that's exactly right. And the thing with Brady is, he's going to have you by halftime no matter who you are. So he knows what you're doing.

If you don't have another plan at halftime, you're done. Like these teams that keep preventing, we'll make you go to long, hard way. Well, that works. But not with this guy. He'll kill you. He'll hang, you know, Buffalo does that to him. They get off to a nice start against him last year, and that's great. And then Brady hangs up 30 points on them in the second half.

I mean, that's who he is. So, you know, he's an exceptional player. He's the greatest of all time, my opinion. And it was a little, I know when you look, well, he played. to half against the Eagles. He's rubbing their face in it. But I don't think so. Sometimes Belichick will take a game in the preseason that you played against another team, and he'd want to win that game to send the message, you know, for later in the year. He actually would. So preseason at times matters to Bill. And obviously this was one of the times, and they

jumped all over them. You know, I was talking about the golden age of quarterbacks. Obviously, we have a situation now where there's five Hall of Famers. Brady, Breeze, Ben, who are the other two, Rogers, and I don't care what anybody says. Russell Wilson. Oh, yeah, he's great. So these are my Hall of Famers that I currently believe are playing. And then I think there's four guys who will get a bunch of votes,

Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Cam Newton, and Matt Ryan. They'll get votes. Sure. Okay, so that's nine guys who are Hall of Famers or maybe Hall of Famers. and then I think there's also three guys in the league right now who are really unique talents but are coming off injuries and those would be Carson Wentz to Sean Watson Andrew Luck we've seen them at their best and they're scary

Oh yeah So now we're up to 12 guys Then I would say there's three more guys in the league that I think have the right coach for their skill set Garoppolo Kyle Shanahan Gough McVeigh Carr Gruden Now we're up to 15

That's amazing Okay Rob there's never been a time in my life where half the league was special at quarterback. Is it rules? Is it talent? Is it high school coaching? Is it? What is it?

I think that's amazing stat, first of all. I mean, the guys you mentioned, they will be in the hall. You know, a lot of those guys. They'll all get votes. Right. Oh, there's no question. And I think today these guys work out so much. You're bringing up the seven-on-seven leagues and things like that.

Maybe that is helping to develop the quarterbacks. I remember Brady being. such a young quarterback, but he would work out every day by himself, six in the morning, to make himself strong, to make himself better. And, you know, so maybe his talent didn't start that way, but he made himself great. So great coaching can make quarterbacks better. I also think there's something to be said. Offensive coordinators now get the most money.

So, you know how certain, like, people used to box in America, and now there's a lot of money and you don't have to get your headbeat in? So boxing's not quite as popular. In football coaching, the money is now on the offensive side. Oh, the offensive genius. Oh, he's the office. Sean McVeigh. So what's happening is a lot of these young coaches, a lot of these smart guys,

they're moving to the offensive side because that's where the money's at. You buy the bigger house. You get the bigger salary. And I do feel like, and the league is rewarding them saying, you can't hit anybody. So I kind of feel like we're in this kind of generation now, Rob, where the money for coaches is on the offensive side. I mean, guys. You got guys like Lovie Smith who can coach out, dirt cut her in.

And I kind of feel like we're just becoming an offensive league. Well, I mean, you know, it looks that way, but the points aren't really going up that much. I think every coach in the league, you got all those Hall of Fame quarterbacks, has gray hair like I do on defense. But, you know, I know this. Look, the defensive coordinators in the league are paid exceptionally well. A lot better than you think. I mean, really? Yeah, I got this suit when I was working.

But I'm just saying, like, you got paid great. But I get it. There's a lot of hype for the offensive coaches. But there's some great defensive coaches. Look at Mike Zimmer. It took Mike Zimmer how many years to become a head coach. I mean, it's unbelievable. And he's one of the best in the league.

Bill Belichick, don't forget he's a defensive coach. Look, these guys are still great coaches. Mike Tomlin, another defensive coach. My God, all these guys are in Super Bowls or soon will be. I mean, it's just a pretty good coach. People we think are elite coaches. Tomlin's defense, Pete Carroll's defense, Belichick's defense. It sure is.

There's some good ones. Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn's defensive coach. Ron Rivera? Ron Rivera's defense. So one, two, three, four, five. So a lot of great defensive coaches. But you make a point of if you get a young quarterback to get a good young offensive coach.

That makes sense because you're married up to each other and you want to bring this franchise quarterback with a young coach. I get it, absolutely. But it doesn't detract. If you don't have this young guy to develop, a great defensive coach can win you more games. They're used to adjusting. They have to do all that stuff. There's so much that goes into being a great defensive coach.

And I know everybody says, I want me. Okay, right, whatever. But I'm just telling you the truth. And, you know, so great coaches are going to do well. In developing a young quarterback, I get it. Get a young coach. Get a great offensive mind. They're hard to find out there.

There's a couple. There's deep little bit of football. it's going to be great. I know Davel's got his chance. You know, obviously Josh McDaniels will get a chance next year to prove that he can do it as a head coach. So, you know, it'll be interesting, but the quality of quarterback is out there.

There's no question. However, it got done, I think great coaching in the NFL makes these guys much better. By the way, how often do you get a haircut? Because I have to do mine once a week. I got it trimmed about a month ago. You got it trimmed a month ago. You don't get a haircut, though.

You get it trimmed. I used to give my hair. I'd get it all the way cut to locks of love. And I did it for all five years with the Raiders. I did it a couple years in New England. And then my wife, who likes my hair long, she's like, you know, Rob, it's not growing that fast. It doesn't look as good. So we've kept it.

We just go with to trim now. Because it does look good. It's a finished product. It looks very good. How often do you get your haircut, Joy? Oh, I just get the ends trimmed. Me too. Yeah.

Getting haircuts isn't a girl thing. You guys don't get haircuts? No, we get, I mean, I don't. You don't get a haircut? No, I have a little bit different hair. I just get the end's trimmed. I don't come in like a haircut today, do you? I'm getting into an area I should just exit off the interstate here.

Good to seeing you. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Vegas is expecting the Spurs to take a step. back with Kauai gone and the Westgate Superbook went as far as to predict

that the Spurs won't even crack the playoffs and newly re-resigned Rudy Gay is puzzled by the disrespect that the biggest odd makers are giving his team. He said nobody expects us to be good I don't know why. How is that? Why were we expected to be so much better last year? Because Kauai may have come back.

He didn't and we were still a playoff team. Spurs always exceed the expectations. Don't expect anything less this year. Well they're not going to be as good but they'll, they're probably a playoff team because the West is a little, it's good at the top. The bottom's got a lot of questions. Yeah, I am not ready to be out on the Spurs. So you have

Lamarckis Aldrich still, DeRosen, Patty Mills, Rudy Gay, Popovich coaches. They've got somebody else, Danny Green's gone, Kauai's gone. Isn't there a big guy? They're their young guy. Yeah, the young guy. There's a young guy. They like the young guard. Yeah. The Spurs are going to be

to be what the spurs are every year, which is consistent. Yeah, obviously you don't have Kauai, and that's a big piece to lose. Nobody's discounting that. But I'm not going to say that they're not going to be a playoff team. I still can't believe you don't get haircuts. I'll explain to you after the show. So as you already know, Colin, traffic in Los Angeles is

not that pleasant. It's not great. You kind of have to plan your life around it unless you are working on undisputed and you drive at 3 o'clock in the morning. We don't have to worry about it. That's pretty much the only time. So when the charges moved to L.A. last year, Philip Rivers stayed in San Diego because he has a wife in eight children. He did not want

to relocate. So he hired a driver and purchased a vehicle with reclining chairs and all of the video equipment that he needed to study film while he was being driven to and from practice. We have a picture of this car. I think I've seen this once before. He has a van or so. A year later, that's still what he's doing. He told Peter King, it worked great last year. It averaged about an hour and six minutes in the morning, maybe 90 minutes at night, you know, when there was more traffic, but that's okay. Just popped in third down or red zone tape to analyze, and I'm good to go. I love that. This is really great use of time.

It's incredible. So he has a driver. So he has a driver. Yeah. And he just, he sits in the back and, okay, I got to go look at third down tape.

Look at that. That's very comfy. That is rolling. That is incredible. And I need one of those. I am, I don't like to complain because it's, it's a blessing to be able to have a car drive.

But I really sometimes, when I do all my phone calls on the car. By the way, if I have to call and do anything with customer service, I'm doing it while I'm in traffic. So that's the greatest car I've ever seen. It's really awesome. So his kids get to like watch movies in that thing when they go for trips?

No, I'm pretty sure he keeps, well, he has eight kids. So I think he'd have to pick just one to ride in the special car with them, so that might be a problem. It's really smart. San Diego is not that far. It's not a back commute. It's about an hour and a half a night. Some people live in L.A. and have to drive that far to get home.

Like they work in L.A. and have to drive home. So that's really smart. It's a good use of time. Finally, Nick Sabin, coming off his sixth national champion. ship. You would think that's impressive, but one rival isn't impressed. In a recent candid coach's installment from CBS Sports, one coach voted for Sabin as the sports most overrated coach. Dumbest thing I've ever heard. He said, if you count cheating and getting the best players in the country as part of running a program, he's the best in the country. It's like saying

an NFL coach is the best coach in the league if he gets 25 first round picks every year. This is such loser talk. I mean, first of all, if you're going to come out anonymously with a quote, can you miss me with the cheating thing? Just miss me. If you're going to come out with something that aggressive, just say who you are and say that they cheat. And as far as them being, getting the best players, of course

they get the best players. The best players want to go somewhere they're really going to win, and then they're going to go to the NFL, and they're going to be on national television games all the time and play for a national championship. Go watch the NFL draft. The first three rounds is a bunch of Alabama players, so that you make money out of Alabama. Maybe he's just a better recruiter than you. He is a better

recruiter. That's why TV networks are vying for him. I don't even like Alabama and I'm up here defending them. I can't stand when people just blatantly hate on a great program. John makes a good point, Joy. You know he's going to be

there if you sign. He just signed a 10-year contract. Right. Right. Right. Right. These young players don't want to go somewhere where the coach is going to get fired halfway through their time at the school. You want to go somewhere consistent where you're going to have an opportunity to play in the NFL. You're going to play for a national championship. You know you're going to get the best You know what somebody said to me one time

it drove me crazy? They said, how did you get a G? You go, you must have a great agent to get the job you got. And I was like, yeah, my agent's great. But maybe I'm pretty good. Right. I'm not people tell you you're lucky. Like, yes, I am lucky. I've been

very blessed. I also have a college degree and I've worked in the business for 10 years and I interned for free for two years, getting coffee and copies. That's right. So, yeah, I'm lucky to have the opportunity to do that. You must have a great agent. I do have a great agent. So do I. Yeah. But it's, but you're

not representing an old can't corn over here. Right. I can bring it. We make the cell a little bit easier with all the work we put in. Yeah, I was offended by that. Hey, by the way, when Nick's up 383 at half, it's not because he's cheating. He's not because he's a better coach. They're cheating.

All right, Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lying News. By the way, Zach Martin avoided a significant knee injury. Cowboys this weekend, he got hurt. Zach Martin's one of the best five offensive linemen in the NFL. Cowboys got two great

linemen. They got three or four, but Tyron Smith's best left tackle. Zach Martin's a monster. Listen, here's the thing about that, and I'm thinking about this, he's going to be fine. You know, I was thinking about this this morning. The NFL has only got nine teams that we

all agree that coach can win a Super Bowl and that coach and that quarterback can win a Super Bowl. There's only nine. Dallas isn't one of them. And I think that's the struggle with Dallas, is that we know the Steelers, Mike Tomlin can win a Super Bowl and Ben can. They have.

Seahawks. I think we all acknowledge Garoppolo and Kyle Shanahan have never lost together. Rams, Packers, Patriots, Saints, Falcons, Eagles. Those are coaches we know are elite with elite quarterback. After that, there's only four other teams where one of the things we know is good. The other, we're not sure. We know Derek Carr is really good. will Gruden be good after a 10-year laugh.

We know Andy Reid's really good, but is Patrick Mahomes any good? We know Andrew Lux's good. It's Frank Reich, a head coach. We know Philip Rivers can win a bunch of games. Anthony Lynn, we're not sure. I mean, it's been a coach for a couple years. Dallas isn't in either group. Dallas doesn't have a coach that most people love,

and they don't have a quarterback that most people love. And if you look at Super Bowl contenders, it's generally love beats like. There's only nine teams in this league where we know there's a coach that can win a Super Bowl. He's an elite coach, offensive defensive head coach. And I include Kyle Shanahan, and I'm rolling the dice a little bit on him. We know McVacon coach. Give me a break. Last year, he turned just a mess into a first round by football team. So, you know, I guess my takeaway is with Dallas when I hear about this injury, they don't

have anything anybody loves at the quarterback coach spot. Now, I like DAC a lot, but I don't love him. I like him a lot. I like Jason Garrett. I don't love him. And I can be critical of Mike Tomlin and Pete Carroll because I think they lean on emotion too much, but they've won Super Bowls. And the quarterbacks have won Super Bowls.

And I think that's the interesting thing about Dallas for me is there's a lot I like about Dallas. But the teams that win Super Bowls, there's usually a component called love. Coach quarterback. The thing about Dallas, I love is the offensive line. But I've loved their offensive line for four years. And that's gotten me nothing.

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After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. All right. Five rookie quarterbacks we've seen so far in the preseason. And so I thought, you know, I think all of us are thinking who's going to start, who's not going to start, when are they going to start? And so I thought we're taping this, right? We're going to put this on tape, and I'm going to make my predictions now.

I may wildly whiff on this, but we'll go back and check how accurate I am. So John Goulet, you name the rookie quarterback, and I'll talk us through this. All right. First, Lamar Jackson. I've always felt joy. He's project more than prospect. I don't think he's ready to sit in the pocket and throw 35 times. He needs a running game and he needs time.

And that's been illustrated by his 39% completion percentage. He's raw and he needs a lot of time. And I don't think he should start at all in his rookie year. But this is a proud franchise. The Steelers are going to be great. They're pulling away from their rival Baltimore. Flacco is just kind of vanilla. and so I went to the stretch of games where I think Baltimore could be in trouble.

And week six through nine, they're at Tennessee, Saints at Carolina and the Steelers. And that's either a one for three or an O for four and it's really bumpy. And then week 10, Joy, they have a buy. Week 11, they host the Bengals. So I'm going to go, projected start date. I do not think he's ready. But Lamar Jackson, week 11 at home against the Bengals, off a bowl. by the crowd will be whipped.

There's a Tebow fascination, young, flashy, fun, unique. That's when Lamar Jackson starts. I don't know if he starts. I don't think he starts this year. I don't either. I don't think he's ready. I'm just going to roll the dice on that. I saw what Tebow did.

He wasn't ready either. All right, let's do the next one. Josh Allen. Well, Josh Allen's the Buffalo kid who's looked really good. He's completed 56% of his throws, his passer ratings 93, and A.J. McCarran's hurt. And Nathan Peterman, who's got a clothing catalog, believe is not great. And I also think, as Rob Ryan said, they have the right defensive staff and the right offensive coordinator. Listen, I think he's going to start week one at the Ravens.

I think they're going to throw him into the fire. And it's going to be bumpy. It's going to be really, really bumpy. But his advantage is A.J. McCarron's out with a right shoulder injury and nobody in Buffalo wants to watch Nathan and Peterman. And this historically losing franchise got to the playoffs last year and they want some fun. And this is a good staff and he already looks elevated. So I stay, he starts Josh Allen week one at the Ravens. He's going to lose and

it's going to be choppy. But I think that that's the one I feel very strongly about. I totally agree and I think it's the best thing for him that he starts week one. There's no problem with making a few mistakes or a lot of mistakes. As long as he doesn't throw five interceptions in the first half, Nathan Peterman, then he's good to go.

John? Josh Rosen. When will he start? The unhaping heralded story of the preseason that Sam Bradford has not thrown an incompletion. They're not going to play a lot of Bradford, but Sam's a big, strong quarterback who's been in this league a long time. Now, we also know Bradford gets hurt a lot. And we also know that Josh Rosen got hurt in college. They don't want to foist him up and get eaten alive. So I think they'd like to play Bradford as long as they can. But there is a stretch late in the year when the Cardinals average offensive line faces the Seahawks rush in week four,

they're at Minnesota's rush in week six, and they're at, they host Denver week seven. That's got Bradley Chubb and Vaughn Miller. And I think between week four and week seven, too many physical defenses, too many pass rushes. So I say week eight, October 28th, hosting the Niners in division, Josh Rosen, They don't want to start him, but in Bradford's look really good, and they like Bradford, and they'd like Rosen to stay out of the crosshairs of that O line, which is old and not overly talented. By the way, I've watched that O line is bad. It's not good.

So that's my week eight prediction there. Well, unless they plan on doing a massive overall haul of their offensive line next year, so their plan is to sit Josh Rosen all this year, then I think that makes sense. But they knew what their offensive line was when they took Josh Rosen and they knew of his injury history and certainly knew of Sam Bradford's injury history. So I think he starts later this year, way later when they're out of playoff contention. But with Sam Bradford, we can only go off of what we've seen, which unfortunately is lots of injuries. Next.

The guy, you are our highest on of this entire class. Sam Darnold. 72% completion percentage. Here's the big, I didn't think he was going to start week one. He's as good as I thought he would be. I thought he would be a good pro. He's going to throw picks and makes mistakes because he plays kind of fast. but they have the weakest schedule in the league early.

They play Detroit with a new coach, host Miami, go to Cleveland, Jacksonville's tough, but then they get Denver at home, Indianapolis. I got to be honest with you. Just go for it. I mean, listen, Teddy Bridgewater, it probably win you more games in the first six. But if Sam can give you three and three,

and Teddy gave you four and two, this offensive line is not good enough to win your playoff games. I'm going to go NFL start week one at the Lions. I really, I didn't think this going in. I thought, you know, go with Teddy. I also think if Teddy looks good in week three or Teddy looks good in the first couple of weeks you trade him, I kind of believe the schedule works in their favor.

They don't face New England until week. Listen to this. Week 12. So he didn't have to face the Zeus of coaching, the Mount Olympus, Belichick, until week 12. I think to go with Sam, week one. I totally agree. He should be starting week one. Got to get him out there, let him make mistakes.

He's making mistakes in the preseason as you assumed he was going to. but he's the future of your franchise. He's got to get out there at some point. Why not? What do you have to lose? Your favorite rookie quarterback, Baker Mayfield. Well, Tyrod Taylor right now is better. By the way, if you'll watch the Cleveland Browns play,

Tyrod Taylor's complete in 75% of his throws, touchdown, no pick, 134 quarterback rating. Cleveland's actually got a pretty good run-blocking offensive line and some tasty wide receivers. Tyrod Taylor's just whipping it around the field. We're kind of falling in love with Baker here, and I get it. But Tyrod's the better quarterback right now, and don't forget.

Don't forget. Hugh Jackson wants to win games. I have a theory on what's going to happen. They're going to face Pittsburgh and New Orleans to start the season and go 0-2, and the owner's going to go start Baker. And Hugh Jackson's going to go, give me one more week, and then they're going to play the Jets and beat him, because they have better players in the Jets.

And then the owner's going to say, okay, then they're going to go to Oakland, and they're going to lose to Groot and Derek Carr, and the owner's going to say, okay, play Baker. And this time, Hugh Jackson, who was 016 last year, is not going to have the leverage to pull. push around the owner, and here's what's going to happen. Week 5 at home, Ravens October 7th, Baker Mayfield starts.

O-N-2, beat the Jets, lose to the Raiders, coming home, fans are clamoring for Baker Mayfield, and they're going to want to start, and they're going to be like a one-and-three team at home, divisional game, a little TV game, and the owner's going to say, Hugh, you won the first argument, start Baker Mayfield. Well, I think you are correct. it does bother me that you pick any player number one overall in the draft and don't start them week one. They should be ready to go. They should be pro ready at the number one overall pick.

But everything that you're saying is true. And I actually think that this is a worst setup for Baker. I think that he should start week one. They're not even giving him snaps with a first team offense. They're not even giving him. No, Tyrod is going to start week one. And he is better right now. But I just think that you take any position number one overall, they've got to be ready to play.

You got one more, John? Last one, the guy who doesn't really get mentioned very often. Mason Rudolph. He was picked by the Steelers. He was at Oklahoma State. Big Ben's 36. He's going to play three more years. So his first start is going to be in the year 2021.

Is that fair? I actually think he's got some talent. He's just not going to play for a long, long time. Ben was very bothered about him. Ben was. He took a little shot at it. Yeah, he's backed off a little bit. By the way, Mason Rudolph,

could be the lucky guy in this whole thing. You're going to sit there. And by the time he gets into the league in three or four years, Juju Smith-Schuster will be like Superstar, plus the Steelers. Nobody drafts wide receivers like the Steelers. The best. Tomorrow, Peter Schrager on the show.

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can this alliance last? Tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all?

You're listening to learn the hard way with your favorite therapist and host Kia Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor?

It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen to learn the hard way on the IHard radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHart podcast. Guaranteed human.