The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NFL new hires, Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers, and the Browns

Episode Date: January 7, 2020

Colin discusses the new head coaching hires in the NFL, why he feels the New York Giants panicked, why the NFC East will be easier for Dallas Cowboys HC Mike McCarthy, why Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is out of excuses, and why he thinks people should be wary of the Cleveland Browns HC opening. Guests include Reggie Bush, Peter King, Matt Mosley, and Greg Jennings. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Cleveland Browns, no idea where they're going at this point, not getting the interviews they want, and Joy's joining me. Joy, crazy morning, crazy. Yes, I mean, look, it's the NFL. There's a lot going on right now. All right, so the jobs are all filling up. Joe Judge just got hired by the New York Giants.

I think the Giants panicked. I think Dave Gettelman panicked. This is a bad move to me. I don't know much about Joe Judge. I made two calls this morning and a text. All I know is this, is that New York City is rich and powerful. It's the number one media market, and it creates panic over spending, overreaching, in insanity. And this guy is an assistant.

He is not ready, in my opinion, to be a head coach of the New York Giants. I just feel it's a reach. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't have talent. But number one, Belichick's coaching tree has mostly been a disaster. Why? Because proximity to genius doesn't equal genius. I could work next to Elon Musk for 10 years. His IQ is so much greater than mine.

I'm not going to get bits and pieces of it. Andy Reed's coaching tree is excellent. Everybody works. Why? Because he is a mentor and a teacher and a big bear and he puts his arms around you. And he shares his knowledge. whereas Belichick's a genius, and his coaching tree's mostly been a mess. By the way, what was the part of the Patriots this year that massively underachieved?

Wide receivers. Nikiel Harry, the rookie. First round pick never developed. Muhammad Sedu. Why did it take so long? Tight ends. Nobody's productive. I mean, to me, I think it's a big whiff.

And I think Ian O'Connor's a writer in New York. He said it this morning they wanted Matt Ruhle. Matt Ruhl at Baylor took the Carolina job. Matt Rule, work with the New York Giants. He's from, I think, Long Island. The Giants wanted to interview him, and this morning they saw Carolina give him $70 million, not even talk to the Giants. The Giants started getting crushed on social media, and they finalized the deal for

Joe Judge, who was potentially going to take the Mississippi State job, which is the eighth best job in a college football conference down south. So, you know, I have a theory on this. A's, higher A's, and B. higher C's. Gettleman's a B. Joe Judge will feel indebted to him. Joe Judge is somebody that won't push back. Mike McCarthy, no interest in the Giants. Ron Rivera, no interest in the Giants. I'd rather coached against him. Jason Garrett, you know, didn't show a lot of interest in the New York Giants. I'm not sure if they loved him. But there's candidates out here. Urban Meyer, no interest.

Matt Rule was their guy when Matt Rule signed this morning at about 8 o'clock Pacific. The Giants panicked and hired a guy who at best right now is ready to coach the seventh or eighth best team in the SEC. I think this is what happened. John Dorsey, insecure guy, loud guy, hires Freddie Kitchens because he knows Freddie Kitchens feels indebted to him. Freddie Kitchens won't push back. I mean, if you're going to hire somebody in New York, why wouldn't you hire Josh McDaniels? And I think McDaniels is a tad overrated and there's a lot of ego. But Josh McDaniels would roll his eyes at old school Gettleman.

He would push back on Gettleman. He'd say, we're winning championships. You haven't won anything. And so Josh McDaniels is a threat to Dave Gettlement. And so Dave Gettlement goes with a guy that'll listen to him, won't push back. He gives him his first job. He feels indebted to him. I don't like the move.

And I'll say it again. So Eric B. Enemy is an offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs. Have you watched their offense for the last two years? By the way, the last time an Andy Reid offensive coordinator left, Doug Peterson, he went and won a Super Bowl. All of Andy's assistants work. I mean, John Harbaugh, Doug Peterson, Matt Nagy, they all work. None of Belichick's do. So you got Eric B. Enemy, who had the MVP last year, has been key in the growth and development of Patrick Mahomes.

And all Mahomes has done is be smart and mature and grow and get better. You didn't take that guy, but you took Belichael. coaching tree and Belichick's coaching tree is a mess and you take a wide receiver coach whose wider receivers this year were the worst in the league. That's a panic move. I mean, you can see through this. This is like a used bar of neutragina soap, baby. You can see right through this thing.

Gettleman's a B. He hired a C because they panicked. And by the way, this is, I've been saying this for five or six years. Joy has heard this a couple of times. New York is so powerful and so big and so rich and there's so much pressure that teams are outside of the Yankees, the whole city's a mess. The pro sports teams are poorly owned, poorly run. They panic.

They overreach. They overspend. And the Yankees are just in a sport with no salary cap. So they just say, Garrett Cole, here's $330 million. Nobody else can compete with it. Garrett Cole could have fit other places. I mean, half the teams in Major League baseball, maybe 75% just couldn't afford to even make an offer to Garrett Cole.

Or C.C. Zabathie when the Yankees paid him 20 million more than anybody else could. So Joe Judge, maybe. a fine coach. But to take a Belichick guy, not even Belichick's, Belichick's the best coach on that staff. McDaniels is the second best coach. Brian Flores was the third best and he took Miami. Cross your fingers. Hopefully that works. But there's nothing about this move I like. There is nothing about it I like.

You got one coaching tree in Kansas City that works with everybody and they got a coordinator who's a former player who has been nothing but brilliant. In the last three guys that have left Andy, Reed of all hit home runs. I mean, Matt and Aggie, say what you want, has made Trubisky about as good as he, we won a division with Mitch Trubisky. That's all I'm going to say about Matt Nagy. Want a division with Mitch Trubisky. Doug Peterson, boom, Super Bowl. And I had my questions about Doug Peterson, beats Belichick in a Super Bowl. John Harbaugh. There's another Andy Reid guy. Maybe you've

noticed. He coaches the best team in football. Everybody from Andy Reid works. Nobody from Belichick works. And you take the wide receiver coach. I just do not get it. Wow. And I think this is what New York creates. It's so big and so powerful and so loud and so rich. It creates this pressure. And people panic.

I've seen the Mets panic. The Giants panic. The Jets panic. Thank God the Jets didn't fire Adam Gase. I thought they were going to overreact and do that. I was like, God, don't fire. Adam, Gase, don't cave. By the way, we've seen the Giants cave before.

They caved on the Eli Manning thing. You saw what happened with the Eli Manning thing. The organization caved. and then they bench D-Line, they freaked out. This is what has happened to the Giants. A once proud organization that has patted themselves on the back too long. They're old school, their GMs over his skis. Yikes.

Wow. Congrats to Carson Wentz. And Mike McCarthy. That's who you get a face. By the way, let me shift to Mike McCarthy. It's easy this morning. Everybody, like, he wouldn't have been my first choice. But let's be fair to Mike McCarthy.

he got all the arrows, he got all the criticism for the Green Bay situation. So let's go to look at Green Bay, McCarthy's last year, and this year without McCarthy. Points per game. Now, let's not talk about record and defense. Points per game. Green Bay didn't improve. Yards per game. Actually, they were better with McCarthy.

Yards per play, they were better with McCarthy. Third down percentage, they were better with McCarthy. Second half points a game, adjustment points. Better with McCarthy. Does that mean Mike McCarthy's brilliant? No. But what it means is Mike McCarthy is not a dope. I don't love the hire because it feels safe to me.

He feels like Jason Garrett with a better resume. He's not really creative. He is a grown-up. His strengths are Garrett's strengths. He's a grown-up. He's an adult. He's got an even-keel personality. I think he has a pretty good eye for personnel.

McCarthy's weaknesses, I think are Jason Garrett's weaknesses. He can be, get stuck into ruts. I don't think he's super creative. You know, hands authority to people on the staff that he probably shouldn't hand authority to. But let's not be crazy about Mike McCarthy here. The Packers record is better because the Packers finally spent money on defense. and the Packers' defense is better this year because they finally spent money on defense.

Don't blame that for Mike McCarthy. The offense in Green Bay slightly ticks down. It ticked down in total yards, yards per play, third down percentage, and adjustment points in the second half. So I've always said Green Bay, Aaron Rogers is not, sorry, cheeseheads, he's not the easiest guy to coach. And McCarthy complained for years that Ted Thompson wouldn't get him big-time defensive players through free agency.

So, and I don't want this to be that Mike McCarthy can't coach. Just because somebody's not my first choice doesn't mean I don't think they're good coaches. Mike McCarthy is. And now we know he'll go two and oh against the New York Giants next year with the Dallas Cowboys. So that's the good news for him. We got a lot of stuff going on. Carolina stole the Giants coach from under their nose. Matt Rule.

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Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back. Joe Judge takes the New York Giants job. Of course he does. if it's offered, you take it. I don't like the move at all. I don't understand it. I think there was better candidates out there. I'm not a huge Josh McDaniels fan, to be honest with you. I think there's a lot of ego.

He was a disaster in Denver. He's never done anything without Brady, you know. But I'll say Belichick's coaching tree, Mike Vrable did not coach under Belichick. So don't give me a Mike Vrabel thing. It's Bill O'Brien. Penn State got better when Bill O'Brien left. Fact.

They got better when he left. And Houston, you watch them play week after week. You think they're well coached? I mean, they can't be that poorly coached, or can they? Maybe it's just Deshaun Watson. But nobody looks at Houston and goes elite coaching. A lot of teams in the NFL, you're like elite coaching. You don't do that with Houston.

You think they're talented. That's what you think. You think J.J. Watt, Deshawn Watson, Wilfler, D. Hop, you don't think well-coached. So I don't get taken, you know, Belichick. I mean, Dante Scarnacki is probably his best assistant. Josh McDaniels second. Brian Flores was third. He's gone to Miami.

Joe Judge. don't get it. By the way, Tom Brady is now saying publicly, he talked to Peter King about this. He had a quote bang, say, I want to play football. If it's with New England, great. If I have to go elsewhere, great. Brady is now acknowledging he wants to play football. He likes New England, but he would play elsewhere. Let me just say this. Even for great athletes, forget the average guy, but even for superstar athletes, it almost always ends choppy. Michael Jordan to the Wizards. Patrick Ewing to the Sonics and Orlando Magic.

Akeem to the Raptors. Joe Namath ended up out here in Los Angeles. Brett Farve goes to the Jets. Had one good year with Minnesota, then a choppy year. Emmett Smith to the Cardinals. Your best, if you got your money, just tie a bow around it. Class

dignity. Derek Jeter did it the right way. John Elway, Super Bowl MVP exits did it the right way. Brady's not good enough to elevate average people anymore. We all know that. So, you know, he can't go to a rebuild. So he'd have to get the perfect situation.

I don't think the perfect situation is out there. The Chargers are anonymous in Los Angeles. I like their personnel, but they've already got an old quarterback, and they're going to draft one this year. So, yeah, you'd have some young kid breathing down your neck. Tennessee Titans, really, your brand to a 9-and-7 franchise historically. Colts, Giselle's not moving the fans. family to Indianapolis, even though I think it's a perfect fit.

The supermodel's not giving up her career to go to Indianapolis, although they have an excellent Panera bread near the stadium. It's a fine city with lots to do. I mean, I think it's a perfect time to retire or stay in New England. That's my gut feeling. I've seen so many athletes, great athletes, unless there's a money issue, which there clearly isn't, you can wrap a bow around this career. Tony Gonzalez talked about this yesterday on the show.

is nobody questions if Tom Brady can still win games. He just won his division. That's not what it's about, according to Tony Gonzalez. I wasn't who I used to be, and I knew it as far as an athlete on that field. I told us before how Jerry Rice, I was talking to him while I was still in the high, you know, feeling really good. And I said, when did you know that you wanted to retire? And he said, I'm going to give you some advice. Play to the wheels fall off.

And that was Jerry Rice, and that's what Jerry Rice did. I did not want that. that father that was taking his son or daughter to the game and saying, you should have seen that guy back in the day. He was good. That's not who he is anymore. Listen, Tom Brady could end now with 11 straight AFC East titles, 11 straight playoff appearances in 8 of 9 AFC championships,

one team, one coach, goat, Seacrest out. That feels incredibly clean to me. It's like Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson retires, does one last great show. Bye, bye, everybody. and then he goes, plays tennis. He's not dinking around on after-school specials and crappy, you know, stuff on goofy networks.

Johnny Carson's like, C-Crest out, great career, great last show, let's go play tennis. I think it's a perfect time for Brady to retire. I'm not predicting he's going to. I just think I like clean endings. I mean, I even get along with my ex-wife. I'm not a big fan of having these choppy, uneven endings in life. I like, you know, a clean, solid,

dignified, indisputable. It's over, but let's look back fondly of it. I think it's a perfect time to retire. I think McDaniels is leaving. You've got assistance leaving. They're going to draft a quarterback to breathe behind your neck, and they don't spend any money on top free agents, so forget getting tight end or wide receiver help. I mean, Muhammad Sanoo is about as risky as they get. So I think it's a real choppy place. I think your division's getting better. I think the AFC's got younger quarterbacks. I think the game is sort of moving away from him slightly right now. That's my gut feeling on it.

I like the Tony Gonzalez way. Wrap a bow under that, put it under the tree, come back next year, open the present. Come back in a year and say, gosh, I miss the game. It's so much fun, but I'm glad I'm retired. I like the Jeter way. I like the Gonzalez way. I like the John L. way way. Much more than I like the Namath way, the Akeem way, the Ewing way,

the Michael Jordan way. Joy of the News. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, for a while, it looked like there was not enough candidates for all the spots that were available. And now we're down to one coaching spot left and who's that? Quite a few candidates with Cleveland Browns. And they've added another candidate to their list. They reportedly requested permission to interview Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.

The Browns are also scheduled to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDen and Vikings offensive coordinator, Kevin Stepanski, this week, later this week. But with every other coaching vacancy filled, they can pretty much take their time now. Schwartz was a disaster in Detroit. He was 29 and 51. That's with Matt Stafford. He had one playoff appearance in 2011 and lost to the Saints in the Wildcard round. He was there from 2009 to 2013.

You get a lot of bravado, a lot of alpha. There are some things I like, but there's a lot of reports out there that he and Doug Peterson kind of bat head sometimes. I like it in that he's been a head coach before. Yeah. So he doesn't have to learn how to be a head coach. The other candidates are Chiefs Offensive Coordinator, Eric B. Enemy, 49ers, defensive coordinator, Robert Sala.

Bill's offensive coordinator, Brian Dable, and Raven's offensive coordinator, Greg Roman. I think any of them would be a good choice as well, even if they haven't had head coaching experience. I mean, the thing about the Browns is I really felt like there was only guy for the job and that was Mike McCarthy. Well, they're going to probably go after Josh McDaniels and

because Cleveland now is so desperate. Matt Rule's going to work in Carolina. He's going to work. He's a great program builder. He did it at Temple and he does it fast. Matt rules the new Urban Meyer. He goes somewhere and within a year and a half he turns it around. He's a program builder.

I think Cleveland is going to do what they do and they're going to give McDaniels a fat contract and let him do everything and run everything. And I'll say it again. Josh McDaniels, I have my reservations about. He was a mess in Cleveland.

He was stubborn. He was strong-willed. I didn't love his vision on personnel. I did not like it. At the time, that was an organization that had some momentum. I am not. Now, I do think he's smart, but I think you put him in Cleveland with a impulsive owner and Baker Mayfield and outspoken receivers.

I think it's an attractive job to Josh because they have a lot of good offensive players. And so I think he's turned on. And he loves Baker. So. Yeah, well, he, you know, I, I think a lot of people love Baker. I think there's something to that, though. The new head coach coming in,

buying into the quarterback that is there for at least this year is a positive to me. I mean, they're not, they're not going to draft another quarterback this year. No. And you also have Baker on a rookie deal. You still have Odell. You still have, I mean, you still have all those pieces. is there. I like McDaniels.

I think it's not really on McDaniels, whether he's going to be successful or not, I don't think. I think it's more on the ownership, the Cleveland Browns. Like, overall, do I think that he's going to turn them into a Super Bowl organization? No, but if he can get them afloat, which is basically what you're looking for now in Cleveland,

that's going to depend on if they're going to actually allow him to be the head coach for enough time to prove whether he's a good head coach or not. Well, Cleveland's standards are so low. I mean, Matt Rule is a better candidate than Josh McDaniels to me. I think he has a proven track record as a head coach. Urban's a better. Ron's a better.

McCarthy's better. I think Jason Garrett. But to Josh McDaniel's credit, he wasn't successful in Denver. Bad. So maybe he learned from what did not work there. And he didn't, obviously, we didn't all love what happened with Indianapolis, but he didn't take that job. So for whatever reason, he didn't take that job.

He didn't feel like he was going to be successful there, clearly. So it's possible that we shouldn't put, too much on what he's already done because maybe he's evolved. Like maybe he's learned from what his failures were there. Or maybe he's a really bad decision maker because like he turned down Indianapolis with Andrew Locke. Now, nobody could foresee Luck retiring. He didn't know that.

I said at the time, you do not turn down Andrew Locke going into his prime. Now, it's easy now in hindsight to go, well, Andrew Luck quit. Josh McDaniels is not a great. By the way, he fought hard for Tebow in the first. first round and he turned down Andrew Luck. I'm just trying to be positive. I'm just saying I got nothing against Josh

but Daniels, but I can... I can line up stuff with Josh where I'm like, I'm with you. So Brett Farb spent his last two seasons in Green Bay with Mike McCarthy as his head coach and now obviously Mike McCarthy is with the Cowboys and Farve thinks it's a perfect match. I think it's a good fit for Mike and I think it's a great

fit for the Cowboys. No one knows what the end result will be but I believe that he is tailor-made for that job. And I'm not here to knock Jason Garrett the job he did. I'm talking about from here and into the future. I think he'll bring a level of brash and toughness, but along with that, a high level of confidence and believability. When he gives his talk each week before they play whoever,

whether they're an underdog or the favorite, I think that his players will believe that they can win every game. And I think it'll be good for that. I really do. You better start developing running games because in 13 years and he never had a single top 10 rushing attempts. He also didn't have Ezekiel. I know, but you can still, by the way, does Pete Carroll have Ezekiel? Everywhere Pete Carroll goes, he's got a seventh round Chris Carson.

Right, but that's his identity, though. And he did have Marchon Lynch. No, I mean, but March on left, they led the NFL in rushing again. Like I, I mean, like John Harbaugh likes to run the football. I think Mike McCarthy is a high-quality candidate. Whether Mike McCarthy is going to be successful, similar, but in completely different ways, is the ownership? Is he going to be able to coach the team? Because he went from having no owner to having the most involved owner and probably all of sports.

Now, that's different. Dark contrast. So that, to me, is whether that's going to determine the success of Mike McCarthy, not if he's a capable coach. finally Lamar Jackson's first playoff experience as a rookie last year ended with a 2317 loss of the Chargers and that loss still haunts him. He said he's ready for redemption this week against the Titans. He said that game motivated me.

It still motivates me. I can't wait to play this week coming up. This playoff game is a Super Bowl game because if you don't win, you're out. You're going home into next season. So I'm treating every game like it's a Super Bowl game until I'm there. We haven't really talked much about this matchup because we're kind of just assuming

that the Ravens are going to win convincingly. are they favored by nine and a half i'd probably i feel like it's a lot i do but you know it's funny this weekend i never take big favorites i like baltimore to win by more than nine and a half and i like kansas city to win by more than nine and i think kansas city and baltimore are really good rested healthy and their defenses are really hot i'm i'm gonna see what the weather's like in kansas city before i take that because it's supposed to snow and be very cold this weekend oh it is so but i if it's not then i'm going to take the texans points this i'm not so this i'm not so sure about. But it is actually Lamar Jackson's birthday

today, too. Capricorn season. Wow. How about that? Happy birthday. What did go, Lamar? Easy kid to root for. I'll tell you that. Yeah, no, this is going to be a great game. Incredibly easy kid to root for. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Ly News. All these young quarterbacks to me are so great because they're all humble and they're coachable. There's one exception. I'm not going to get into it. But other than that, I love all these young quarterbacks. I love Lamar. I love Mahomes. I love Darnold.

I like Daniel Jones. I mean, they're all, Kyler Murray. They're all like coachable, young, humble kids who realize what a great opportunity this is. You run an NFL franchise. I just love watching all these young quarterbacks. Not that I don't love Breeze and Brady,

but I'm okay with them retiring. Like I, time for the next guys. The league is in good hands. Yeah, I like all the new guys. Let's bring in Reggie Bush, who's kind of new to us at Fox. Great to have him on. The 11-year NFL Super Bowl champ.

Five Saints, two dolphins, than a couple other NFL years. Yes, sir. So I said this about Mike McCarthy. Every coach has DNA. Yep. Okay, like every player. Like every player's got certain things they do and they don't.

And like Andy Reid-Oa says, I watch a player and I say, here's what he can do, here's what he can't, and I build my system toward him. Yeah. Every coach has DNA. Here's my concern about Mike McCarthy. He does not. He moves the minute the running game struggles. He's out.

He just does not. And I'm like, okay, this is an older veteran run block. O-line and Zique. Does that concern you at all? That's the biggest question. Is he going to be able to be patient enough in the run game? Is he going to be able to hand the football off to Zeeck 20, 25 times? Because that is the first requirement when you sign up for the Dallas Cowboys head coaching job.

You have to be able to turn around and hand that football off to Zeeke. That's not in his DNA from what we've seen in Green Bay. I also don't think the same system that he ran in Green Bay will work in Dallas. How come? because it's not a pocket passers league anymore. The top five quarterbacks from this past season, James Winston, Dak Prescott, Philip Rivers, Jared Gough, Matt Ryan, pocket pastor quarterbacks, with the exception to Dak Prescott.

All those quarterbacks are sitting at home, every single one of them. And so padding those stats as a QB the way it used to be when he won the Super Bowl, that doesn't directly translate to wins anymore. That's not how teams are winning games anymore. You talked about the young quarterbacks that you like to watch now. Deshaun Watson, they win that game because his ability to be able to scramble and extend plays with his legs. Same thing with Seattle, same thing with other teams. And then Mike McCarthy leaves Green Bay.

His last four years in Green Bay, I think it was 11, 16, and 1. So he struggled with one of the best quarterbacks, arguably, to ever play this game. What happens to Green Bay the next year after he leaves? They got the number one seed in their 13 and 3. And so to me, Mike McCarthy has to reinvent himself this time around. He cannot, the same offense that worked and won him a Super Bowl is also the same offense that got him fired in Green Bay. Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's a bad hire.

He doesn't feel like there's a lot of juice to it. Yeah. I mean, there's some things he does well, but I do think coaches, you know Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll, it's defenses are aggressive. Yes. And they run the ball. The football. Marshawn Lynch left.

they still try to run the football. That's his DNA. You had Sean Payton. Yes. Sean 10. I mean, what was Sean's DNA there? Sean, so when Sean first got to New Orleans, he was not a run-the-football type coach. He wanted to throw the football a lot.

Because Drew Breeze was in his prime. Exactly. Because Drew was in his prime and he could throw it well a lot. And we were throwing a football. We were throwing a ball around 35 plus times a game. Yeah. We won the Super Bowl because we ran the football well on top of having Drew Breeze. And our defense played well.

When Mike McCarthy won the Super Bowl, he had the number two scoring defense in the NFL. Ever since then, he hasn't had a top 10 defense, right? And you also mentioned the run game. He hasn't had a top 10 run game. I don't think at all. By the way, Aaron Jones also was with Mike McCarthy, and they just didn't develop it. And look what he's doing right now. Yeah.

So, no, I think it's, I think these are real concerns. I do think coaches, it's like broadcasters, running backs players. We all have certain DNA or comfort levels. Exactly. And we tend to go back to it. Always. You know, I mean, Andy Reid loves quarterbacks, loves developing passing games.

But Andy has struggled through his life to create great run games. And Andy's a great coach, but that's his DNA. And listen, Dak Prescott played well this year. He was a number two rated pastor this year. Total yards. He was the number two pastor. So he played well this year, probably the best he's ever played. And look where it got them.

It didn't translate to the win. Okay, so Matt Ruhl go to Temple overnight. They're like two in ten. Two years later, they're ten and two. Baylor was a grease fire as an athletic department. One in 11 to 11 and one, two years later. Super bright, a year in the NFL, but he's never coached in the National Football League. Now, I will say this, Reggie.

The trend now in the NFL, we saw it with Gruden and Kyle Shanahan. He got a, what is it, a six-year, seven-year deal. It's 70 million. So whether you like him or not as a player, He walks in with all the power. You don't like him. You're cut. Exactly.

I think that's why it's going to work. And his first order of business, which I believe could make or break his career before it even starts, is to either keep Cam Newton or to move on from Cam Newton. And that's big because you have to get that position right, right? That quarterback head coach relationship is so important to winning football games. And you have to get that one right. right off the back. And so let's say he gets rid of Camden because I don't believe in Allen.

Josh Allen. Kyle Allen. Kyle, my bad, Kyle Allen. I don't believe. I'm not 100% sold yet on Kyle Allen. No, he's a transition piece. And so if you get rid of Cam Newton and then you're scrambling for the next couple of years, well, your career was over before he even started.

So he's got some big time decisions to make early in his, early, early in his career before it even to get started. Same thing with Mike McCarthy. He's walking into a situation where they got assigned Dak Prescott. You have to give him what he wants. And if they give him what he wants, there goes, Amarke Cooper's gone. You know, so now you're losing weapons on the

receiver side. And, you know, it's going to be tough, man. I mean, it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out, but it is going to be tough if they don't get those right off the back. My guess on Matt Rule, who I think is going to work. Yeah. And I think this is a real I like Matt Rule. I like Matt Rule. It's a real

trend. I mean, he is, this is who the Giants wanted. Then he got hired by Carolina because Carolina's got this new way thing. He's got this new owner. He's not part of the old boys club and he's doing things his way. So this is what we see now. San Francisco gave Shanahan and Lynch six years. Gruden got 10. Matt Rule gets seven. So whereas the NBA tends to empower the player, the trend in the NFL is empower the coach. Don't bail on him. I think Cleveland to get Josh McDaniels would have to offer him six years, then I think it has a chance to work. That's a long time for an unproven coach at this level. Seven years?

Like, we just bypassing the four years and we're going to try to figure out and see, you know, if this really is going to work. You know, this marriage is going to work. Let me argue on this. If it doesn't work, billionaires can just write a check. Yeah. But you have to send the message to players. He's the guy.

Yeah. Because if you look at every coach that's working in the NFL, Shanahan's been empowered. Belichick's empowered. John Payton's empowered. John Harbaugh got a new deal empowered. It's not because remember, these organizations are all owned by billionaires who can write a $40 million check. It's a rounding error.

Right. But you got to send the message in the NFL. Okay. The locker room is owned by the coach. And so I actually like what Carolina did. Because if you had a young college coach with a four-year deal, bad first year reggie, that second training camp, guys like Cam Newton are out on him. I get that and I understand that.

But as a player, I'm saying, okay, let's pump our brakes for a second. Let's see if this is going to work out the way we wanted to. Seven years is just a long time to be locked in. For somebody who is not proven in this league, who hasn't won games in this league, I love what he did at the college level, but the NFL is different. This is not Temple and this is not Baylor. There's not on the schedule. No.

Texas Tech is not a. on Carolina's schedule. No, at all. But Matt Ryan is twice. You gotta see the Saints twice a year. And Atlanta. Okay, come back. I got thoughts on Tua and Joe Burrow.

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or wherever you get your podcast. By the way, I just had a New York giant fan tell me, Colin, you didn't like Daniel Jones either. and he was great, to which I would say Daniel Jones wasn't great, but he was promising. I got nothing against Joe, Judge. I got nothing against him. My guy says he's smart. So I would

imagine he was in Sabins down in Bama. He's with Belichick. You know, he's not a, he's done no nonsense guy who's a smart guy. I just think it's a big, it's a big, it's a big reach. He's never been a head coach. This is New York City.

It's a big reach and I think there were just other better candidates out there. I do understand this, though. I will say this. Josh McDaniels has Elaine Kiffin quality. He does turn people off. So Josh McDaniels, I'm not as high on him as everybody else. I think he's smart, but he's never done anything without Brady, and he bombed in Denver, and he alienated everybody, and then he turned down Andrew Luck in his prime. I don't get it. So whatever. Reggie Bush is joining me. I want to talk about two things. Let me talk about Tua for a second. Okay. I am a big believer. So next, is it Monday night's the national championship?

Yeah. Clemson, LSU. I like Clemson. I'm not going to ask you. Are you broadcasting? Are you doing a pre- or post-game pro for that or anything? No. Okay. So you can tell me who do you like. I like LSU. Okay, here's what I worry about. So Tua goes from high school. He goes to Alabama. He's on the bench. The first time they ask him to play is against Georgia in the national championship, 25 NFL. guys, the most pressure in the world. Half time he's trailing. He comes in and takes the game over as an 18-year-old. It's remarkable.

Joe Burrow had no success until everything lined up this year. He got the right coach. He got the right schedule. Last year, he had a four-game stretch with LSU's talent with no touchdowns. Here's what I worry about. Tua is a special all-time transformative. talent. Joe Burrow is older than Lamar Jackson.

He's a fifth year senior. Finally, when it all lines up for him, he wins. Doesn't it concern you? If you're drafting either, one guy came in as a high school kid into a pressurized situation. It was not ideal. It was Georgia.

National title trailing, win the game for us. That's why, I think we're going nuts on Burrow here. Yeah, I think for Tua, obviously, I think everything you said is spot on. I think the only thing that would hold people back about Tua is his injury. Right.

If Tua never got injured, he'd be the number one draft pick right now. By a mile. Without a question. Without question. He has the fastest release of any quarterback in college football right now. That ball is in and out of his hands in two seconds. And accurate. At a max.

And very accurate. And so I do believe Tua is, is the better quarterback, but right now Joe Burrell is just the hottest, right? And this offense that he's running is a New Orleans Saints offense. That's exactly the same offense that we won a Super Bowl with. It's the same offense that they run right now in New Orleans. Is it complex? It's complex. And he's making NFL-type throws. I've watched Joe Burrow all season long. It's not just about he's finding the open receivers, but he's also putting that ball. Look at this. I mean, the separation

of some of these receivers, the passes that he's making are tight windows, and he's putting that football in places where only his receivers can catch it. In the last playoff game where they beat Oklahoma, two of the touchdowns that he had in the first half were

back shoulder throws, great coverage by the defense, but he put that ball in places where only his receivers could catch the football. And I think that's the thing I'm most impressed about is just his ability to be able to throw guys open because there's a difference between throwing to an open receiver and then throwing your receiver open.

And that's one of the reasons why he's been successful up into this point. And that's why they're so dangerous because the receivers can run. He can extend plays with his legs and he's finding the open receivers and he's putting that football in places where only his receivers can catch it. All right. Cowboys have hired Mike McCarthy. Washington is hired now Ron Rivera. The Giants have hired Joe Judge, wide receiver guy.

Matt Rule goes to Carolina. So the NFC teams are checking it all off. Cleveland is the only team now that has an opening. Oh, boy. Let me ask you, again, we can all bang on Cleveland, and Cleveland fans will lecture us, whoever they hire is the guy they've always wanted. Do you believe that it is, if you were a coach with Baker's last year, how would you view Baker as a head coaching candidate?

Because it's easy to love him two years ago. Yeah. We've seen he's bad on the microphone. He's bad to the medical staff. He may have just gotten Freddie and the GM fired. If you were a coach, how would you view, I don't want to even have an opinion. How would you view Baker? I would view him.

Asset or liability? That's a great question. I think right now this early in his career, I would view him more as an asset. If we were 10 years into Baker and this is what I'm getting, I would view him a liability. But because he's still very young, still very immature, still has a lot to, I think, offer the game. And he's very talented throwing the football, but he's got to clean up a lot. I would view him more as an asset, but an asset that needs work. And an asset that needs to reinvent himself this offseason, the same way Lamar Jackson did last year, the same way Mike

McCarthy has to do this time around with the Dallas Cowboys. I like Baker, but he's got to grow up and he's got to grow up fast because he's got too much talent around him to not be ultra successful. He's got a great run game. He's got great receivers. Great tight end. I mean, he's got all the pieces. And so he needs to become a leader.

That's where he's going to elevate his game. If he can become the leader, the guy that we could depend on. on and off the field, the guy that we can depend on in post-press conference interviews to say and do the right things. If he can become that, I think then the Cleveland Browns organization takes on a different narrative. Yeah, whoever the Cleveland Browns hire, memo to Cleveland, give them a long deal. Yeah, you need time. You need time with him. Yeah, and Baker's outspoken. If Baker senses weakness, he's going to be like, I'm saving my career, not your baking. You've got to give Cleveland's coach six years.

Because by the way, Carolina just set the bar. Seven years for Matt Rule. And then Niners and then John Gruden. And you empower the coach. Yeah. And it has to be someone with a strong personality. It cannot be anybody with a weak personality or who is a little bit unsure of himself or what he's trying to bring to the table.

That's where Josh McDaniels feels right. Yeah. Yeah. Could be. What about Eric being to me, man? I know we keep throwing his name around, but I just don't understand this guy's been part of, you know, top five offense since 2013,

developing Patrick Mahomes, coaching Tyree Kill, all these, Travis Kelsey. How come... Plus, all of Andy Reed's assistance hit home runs. They all work. I don't want to bring up Belichicks. Belichicks. Belichicks is terrible. Yeah. All right, good stuff.

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Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Oh, here we go. Our number two, Peter King, in less than 15 minutes. Live in L.A., it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. What a fun day for us. The Giants hired Joe Judge would not have been my choice. Smart guy. Saban Belichick doesn't mean. that the coaching trees from those guys work, but that's where he comes from. Cleveland now is the only organization

that doesn't have a coach. By the way, Ron Rivera is off the market. To me, he was the best candidate. That was the best candidate available, Ron Rivera. I thought, you know, I had to put all my coaching candidates up there. Rivera was number one. And I think you get into guys that have shown they can work, Mike McCarthy, Jason, Garrett.

They're not the sexy hires. They're kind of safe hires. But I will say this Joy Taylor. joining me, it's very interesting. I've known people in my life that are bad job pickers. And I tell young people joy all the time in my business, say no, be patient. So this is an interesting, so a lot of people are worked up because Eric Bienemy, African American candidates, he has interviewed for Cleveland. But I'm telling you right now, Bienemy's going to get offers. I'm not sure I'd take the Cleveland job. So everybody's freaking out today. Eric Bienome is somebody I would

look at strongly. Does he just take the job because it's the first offer? You and I have been in this business a long time. It's very important where you go. I think I've said this to you before. Not that you needed advice, but I've said it to everybody. Don't chase money. Chase good management.

There's a sea of money if you're talented. There's a sea of it. You and I know this. We've had a lot of jobs and we feel lucky now at management. We've also had bad management. talented people cannot overcome bad management. Belichick was fired in Cleveland. Well, because you don't make the final decisions.

It doesn't matter how competent or talented you are. It's going to get trumped by somebody who is not as talented or competent who has more power. That's why in college football, because you control recruiting, if you're a good coach, they all succeed. There's never been a great coach who fails in college. There have been great coaches who have failed in the NFL. Pete Carroll's been fired twice. Sabin got fired. He's a great coach.

Belichick got fired. Andy Reid got fired. In the NFL, it's different. Who owns your team? Tony Romo says this. Never been a guy. Go look at the dynasties. Been no bad owners and no bad defenses.

We pay attention to quarterbacks. Tony Romo, go look at his career. Didn't have a lot of great defenses. You know? So you start looking at Aaron Rogers has never really had. He had one really good defense. Aaron Rogers won a Super Bowl. Okay.

Peyton Manning, I thought, had one great defense in Indy. He won a Super Bowl. So I look at the, and I'm not trying to take a shot at Cleveland, but I look at these guys, everybody's freaking out with Eric Biennaby. And my takeaway is for Josh McDaniels and Eric Bienemy, these are talented coaches who are going to get offers. Think about this. Be patient is what I'm saying here.

I've seen this my whole life. Chip Kelly. I love Chip Kelly. I know Chip Kelly. Why did you take the UCLA job? That's the second best job in L.A. What are you doing? That's the fourth best football job in L.A.

After the Rams, USC, the Chargers, then UCLA. Mike Dunleby's a friend of mine. He once took a clipper job with Donald Sterling as the owner. And I remember thinking, what are you doing? You just got to the Western Conference finals with Portland. You got money. You're a smart guy. Take two years off.

You'll get a job. I look at the – think about one year from now. One year from now in the NFL, if Eric B.N.Me is patient. And if Josh McDaniels is patient. because we all know Cleveland just fires coaches in one year. Atlanta, great owner and Matt Ryan could be open. And they're going to hire an offensive coach, the enemy's an offensive coach,

and Josh McDaniels is an offensive coach. In one year, if Atlanta doesn't win, Dan Quinn's got a year, they're going to hire an offensive coach. You get a great owner and a great quarterback. That's a great job. Houston, in one year, Bill O'Brien's quirky. You get Deshaun Watson, and a great place to live in Houston and all sorts of skill people.

Belichick could bolt New England. I mean, he's going to be 70, right? So you could have Sam Darnold. That Jets roster, now they have a legitimate GM. Sam Darnold, Joe Douglas is a legitimate GM. They got all sorts of players. Now they don't have players. So I look at this thing now.

Everybody's got, you know, we've got a couple of really good candidates out there. Cleveland is so toxic. So toxic. that if I would Josh McDaniels or Eric Bienemy, I would just not take the job. And I'm not picking on Cleveland. The facts are the facts. Belichick's the last guy to get five years there. I mean, they just, and McDaniels is, remember, if Josh McDaniels fails, it's over.

He did not take Andrew Luck, which I thought was a massive mistake. He wanted to draft Tebow. Massive mistake. He takes this gig. He'll make money. But he's a coordinator for the rest of his. life. And Josh McDaniels, again, there's some Lane Kiffin here. He wants to be a head coach. This is not, I do not think Cleveland's a very good job. I would not take this if I was an elite

candidate. There's a little more strategy to it than it appears. I'll tell you this. I think the Giants is an underrated job. I don't know Joe Judge. I think it's a bit of a reach. But let me tell the New York Giants job. You have two very good defensive linemen under 25. Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, star running back. It appears to be a very talented quarterback on a rookie deal for three more years. Gettleman's kind of goofy, but he'll be out of there in a year if it doesn't work. The Giants job to me is underrated. You got Washington perennially underachieving. That could be a couple wins a year. They have also a number four pick the Giants do, and the three teams drafting after the Giants all need a quarterback, so you could leverage that to get multiple

ones over the course of the next three years. I think the Giants job, this is another reason I'm critical of the Giants. This Giants job's a good job. It's got a lot of things you're looking for. Maras are stable. Daniel Jones is talented and cheap. Two excellent defensive linemen under 25, a star running back. The O line's not great, but it's not a total rebuild. And they went and got Joe Judge.

Like to me, boy, oh boy. Joe Judge in Cleveland, I wouldn't spend a lot of time on. Like, it's like maybe that's all they can get. Maybe I'm nuts on this. I think the Giants job. Now, Gettleman turned some people off. I get it. But he's out of the.

there. The bottom line is, if Mike McCarthy would have taken that job, he had to say, get a gentleman out of here, Gettleman would have been on the first subway, you know, out of town. So, I don't know. Let me, let me move to this. So a lot of you, it really hurts my feelings, think I am negative toward Aaron Rogers. I am not negative toward Aaron Rogers. I think Aaron can be difficult to coach. I think at times he's arrogant and condescending and not the greatest leader, but I think he is an all-time talent. I will say it this weekend. And maybe Aaron Rogers hasn't been lucky his whole career.

He's gotten every break this year. He wanted the coach fired. Boom, he's gone. He wanted the team to spend money on defense. Boom, they did. Chicago, Detroit imploded in their division. He got home field and a buy-at-home, and now he gets injury ravaged Seattle without their running game.

And if Minnesota upsets San Francisco, they get the Vikings at home and Kirk Cousins in the biggest game of Kirk Cousins' life. The other thing is they got to play the AFC West and the best quarterback Patrick Mahomes they faced didn't play. And they also faced the NFC East, which was the worst division in football, which allowed them to beat the Giants and beat Washington and beat the Dallas Cowboys. They've gotten every break this year.

Like the excuses are done. All they have to do is be injury riddled Seattle, who now beats Philadelphia, flies all the way back to the Pacific Northwest, now we'll fly all the way to Milwaukee. So they lose a day traveling. And they're all beat up, and they don't have their core strength, which is their running game, which they, along with Baltimore and San Francisco, have really lived, they have great quarterbacks,

but have lived off that dominating time of possession offense. Aaron's gotten a lot of breaks. Also, Green Bay, I think, is the healthiest NFC team left. And some of its luck. Now, there have been years Aaron hasn't been the luckiest quarterback. But, boy, they get breaks. Beat injury-riddled Seattle at home. And then it's potentially Minnesota.

And even if you face San Francisco, they humiliated you last time, which psychologically is at an edge. It's hard to crush somebody and then face them again and inspire your troops. Yeah, we rolled them by 30. They're really dangerous. That's hard to do. It's much easier to say, we got humiliated. We got revenge.

They humiliated us on national TV. It's much easier to do that than, you know, we beat them by 30. I swear they're really good. So this is kind of the year for Aaron Rogers. This is the opportunity. It has been totally, for all those years, you said Brady, I mean, home, buy, bills, jets, dolphins, it's paved. This year has been paved for the Green Bay Packers. Peter King is around the corner.

Matt Rules now, Coach of Carolina. I love the move. Joe Judge, New York. I think it's a tad bit of a reach. Cleveland is the only team with an opening, and they've interviewed everybody, by the way. They got like 48 candidates. I'm not sure who's doing all the interviews. I think it's the owner Jimmy Haslam.

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We've got a bunch of great young quarterbacks, a bunch of great old quarterbacks. And the two guys in the middle that are legends are Russ Wilson and Aaron Rogers. And they play this weekend in Lambo. How lucky are we? as sportscasters that we get to watch it and talk about it. I will say this. One of the things I'm a big believer in is that it takes a long time to create a culture and a system. I've joked about this for years.

When I first came to FS1, my first year, I couldn't even get my hair right for about six months. I had to build a staff. We had to build a set. We had to build managers. We had to build producers. It took us a long time. And the idea, I was going on the air every day, and we were just bailing water to try to get the right people or the right staff and the right. right components. You know, when you, Cleveland Brown gives a guy about eight games and then they're

breathing down your neck. I like what Carolina did this morning. We're hiring a college coach. We think he's super smart, but we're going to give him seven years here. So if he, you know, the Cam Newton thing could be very choppy. We understand that. He's got to find a quarterback. So they're going to give him now a couple of years to get the quarterback right. In fact, his first quarterback draft may whiff, he'll have enough years to get a second quarterback. So I like what Carolina is doing. Let's go to Peter King NBC Sports v. The Coward Global Satellite Network, sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing.

So I see a trend, Peter. Kyle Shanahan, long contract. Matt Ruhl long contract. John Gruden, long contract. You know what it says to me, Peter? It's like, listen, we want to empower the coach. You're going to make mistakes, but we look at New England, and we look at how they have been so formidable

and a lot of it is the monotony of repetition of the same offense and the same defense. So I like what Carolina did even though it's a college coach. What say you? I like it too, Colin, with just one little proviso. It's all well and good to give a guy a seven-year contract. But if you go 412, 4-12, and 3 and 13 the first three years, do you think that Matt Ruhle is going to be back for the fourth year? I don't think so.

And I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm saying that Kyle Shanahan was whatever he was, 10 and 22 his first two years. Yeah. Well, if Garapolo plays this year and they're four and 12, do you think he's coming back for year four? He might because Jed York really liked him. But, I mean, it's a good idea to show all the faith in the world

that the Carolina Panthers and David Tepper are showing in Matt Ruhl. And I think he's got a good shot. But I do just want to throw one slight bit of water on the fire here, Colin. You know, I wrote in my column on Monday that there have been nine college guys, big college stars hired in this century so far to be NFL head coaches. I don't include Bill O'Brien and Pete Carroll here because, They were mostly NFL coaches who went to college football and then came back to the NFL. I'm talking about guys who were pretty much exclusively college coaches and then went to the NFL.

And only two of the nine coaches, okay, had winning records with their first teams. That's Chip Kelly, who was widely derided as a failure in Philadelphia and Jim Harbaugh, who obviously was a success. but think of those who failed. Nick Sabin, 15 and 17 in two years. And then he ran off to Tuscaloosa. So, so again, again, Nick Sabin, when he took the Miami job, was absolutely totally all in.

Wayne Heizenga, I'm your guy, I'm here, we're going to build a great team. And after two years, he went to Wayne Heizenga and said, I want out. So again, I like it. I like the faith shown, but that doesn't necessarily, mean that the Panthers are going to be a great team. Yeah, they got a Cam issue to figure out and they got to draft quarterbacks. I think they'll stay with Cam. It's probably good news for Cam because a new quarterback, you know, defining one these days is not easy

when you're, you know, you have four or five teams in front of you that want one. Let's go to the Giants. I actually think the Giants is a good job. I don't know if they made the right hire. They have two good defensive linemen under 25. Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, star running back, good pick. They can leverage for more picks. Daniel Jones on a rookie contract.

I'm not a fan of Gettleman, but be that as it may, I think you have solid ownership. Joe Judge to me, you know, I was saying this earlier, Peter, New York put so much pressure on its owners that I think sometimes they panic, overspend, and overreach. It feels like Matt Ruhle was their number one guy, got the Carolina job, and they go, okay, we got to get Joe Judge. I don't know. It feels a little bit like a reach to me. Is that fair by me? I think it's fair. I don't understand.

There wasn't anybody else who was going to hire Joe Judge. So you hire Joe Judge before you even talk to Josh McDaniels. And again, maybe they would have picked Joe Judge over Josh McDaniels. Maybe they would have picked somebody else.

I don't know. But I find it very odd that the Patriots lose an assistant coach and it's not Josh McDaniels. Who I've been around a lot and I happen to think is really, really good. But I think the one other thing to think about with the Giants right here is that this is not a bad job.

A lot of people are killing the Giants over Gettlement and all that other stuff. But I can tell you, the time I spent with Mike McCarthy in the middle of December in Green Bay, he was extremely interested in the Giants job. He loves Daniel Jones. And so I think the Giants is still, even though Ham, They might be hamstrung by Gettleman for a year or two. I still think that's a good job. Any team that has a great history and has a long-term quarterback, that's the Giants,

you'll figure everything else out, Colin. I still think that's a good job. I agree. I want to talk about Tom Brady. So you've had a good relationship with Tom. He clearly respects you. And he is now acknowledging to you, Peter King, that I want to play football. You know, I would look elsewhere.

You know, we never really heard John Elway say that or Derek Jeter say that. Like, yeah, I'd go and play elsewhere. There was a sense like I'm going to wrap a bow on it and retire. It's really interesting because I had somebody this weekend say, listen, Giselle's made a lot of sacrifices and she's probably not going to say, let's go to Indy. And that was somebody that really believes that it's not the big list you think where Tom could go. And he's not coming off a great year.

Peter, there's just too many things that line up here, though. There's so much noise. I do give Brady leaving at least a 50-50 shot. I mean, I'm just hearing too much. House for sale, Guerrero's house for sale. It sounds like you think Tom could leave as well. When I walked out of that room with him at midnight on Saturday, I thought that there's going to be at least a 50-50 chance that he'll leave.

Look at what's going on, Colin. He made it known to me and to the press after the game that he wants to play in 2020. He was very strong about that with me. So he's not retiring. I mean, unless nobody's interested, he is not retiring. So now let's look at the options. You got Bill Belichick who against popular wishes in Cleveland benched Bernie Kozart. You got how he handled Drew Bled Cesar.

when he came back from his injury in 2001. He kept playing Brady. So he's clearly not afraid to make a major decision with his quarterback. And looking at this way too, Colin, and I wrote this. I mean, you're Bill Belichick and you know that Tom Brady might have a year maybe two left. And he might not even be that good in that period of time. So you're Belichick and you say, hey, listen, whether it's Jared, Stidham or whether it's the

fifth quarterback in this draft, you know, maybe we ought to just start over. However, and I somehow, some way, I get the feeling that that's going to be Belichick's call. Finally, you spent a lot of time with Mike McCarthy recently.

And I think that article helped him, his drive toward analytics and growing. I think that absolutely helped Mike McCarthy. Are you surprised? Dallas was the landing spot for the former Packer coach. I think a lot lined up that was going to be right with him in Dallas. I think Jerry Jones wants a traditional football coach who he can just say, okay, the football is handled. I'll worry about

the stadium. I'll worry about all the extra stuff. But my football team is in a good place with an establishment, established football coach. In some ways, it's like when he hired Bill Parcells. You know, he had been, he had had enough of Dave Campo in 6 and 10. And he's had enough of Jason Garrett, quite honestly, even though he absolutely loves him, because I'm sure he will say, I think we underachieved with Jason Garrett. So the fact that now they have an established establishment football coach, I think makes all the sense in the world. And the one other thing I would say, if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm happy right now.

because the one thing that Mike McCarthy is, is a mechanics nerd. When I was in Green Bay with McCarthy, he queued up a tape of all the quarterbacks he's coached over the years, going back to Joe Montana 26 years ago in Kansas City, and showing all of the tape of all of these guys and quite honestly how their mechanics improved, not necessarily Montana. But Aaron Rogers, his first year, he showed me Rogers drop, and he showed me Rogers dropped from a couple of years ago. It was totally night and day. And so I think that is going to be a good thing for a young quarterback. And believe me, I know Dak Prescott, but only a little bit. And I do know he wants to be coached. McCarthy will coach him hard.

By the way, you know, it's fascinating to watch all the games this weekend. Absolutely fascinating. that, you know, Breeze, Brady, they're getting older, and you have all these young quarterbacks now we're taking college concepts. This is sort of vague and ambiguous, but about a minute left. I don't remember a time in my life where we had all these exciting great quarterbacks, a couple of absolute legends, then Wilson and Aaron Rogers in the middle. I don't remember a time.

And we also have three good prospects in college this year, two superstar prospects next year. I honestly believe it's the most talented the quarterback position has ever been in my life. Even the young guys, year two are exceptional. But take me back 70s, 80s. You have a greater sense of that. I'm just watching these games this weekend,

and I'm like, Lord, there's talent at this position. Maybe it's all the seven-on-seven stuff the last 20 years. They've been taking snap since they were nine years old. What do you make of it? I remember when Phil Sinner, left the Giants and the Giants just really muddled around for a couple three, four, five years. Dave Brown, Danny Connell.

Yeah. And there wasn't the inventory coming out of college football that there is today. Now Eli Manning is done. So what do they do? They go out and get Daniel Jones, who was not a popular pick, but in his first year, showed a huge amount of promise. And I'll only make this point, You know, I find it very interesting.

Has anybody said in the last three or four years, man, the NFL misses Peyton Manning. No. I mean, they miss Peyton Manning because he's a cool personality and all that stuff. But as a player, I mean, everybody's doing just fine. And I don't mean everybody, but the most teams in the league that I remember have promising good fun young quarterbacks and with the proviso. Russell Wilson wants to play to least 90. So even though he's past 30, I think you're going to get at least 10 more years out of Russell Wilson.

Yeah, and Andrew Luck retired. We could have another great quarterback right now moving into his prime, and that was obviously sort of an outlier move. Peter King, NBC Sports. Thank you so much. Peter, appreciate it. Thank you, Colin. All right.

So the Cowboys have their coach. Washington has their coach. The Giants have Joe Judge. Carolina's got their coach. Cleveland doesn't. This all brought to you by Vic Sinex Nasal Spray. works up to 12 hours. It is cold and flu season.

Here is Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Before hiring Joe Judge as the next head coach, the Giants requested an interview with Jason Garrett, which was assumed to be for the head coaching spot. But now sources say that the Giants are looking at him to be the offensive coordinator

under first time head coach Joe Judge. That's a weird career move, isn't that? Well, Garrett was the offensive coordinator with the Cowboys before he took the head coaching job there. And the Giants think he could be an important asset to a new inexperienced head coach in Joe Judge. I don't like the optics of that. Coat to the Cowboys to OC for Joe Judge. It feels like a... Well, look, I mean, he's not going to get another head coaching job unless he gets the job with the Browns.

I don't know, but I think if I... You know what? We were all crushing Mike McCarthy after Green Bay. And a year later, he coaches the Cowboys. I'm not crushing Jason Garrett. No, I think Jason Garrett is very capable. I think he's Mike McCarthy. I think he would be a good hire for the Browns, actually.

Well, I think I would be a good coach for the Browns. At this point, they're running out of people. I seriously think Jason Garrett would be a good option for the Browns. I do. I think it's a good option for them. I don't think it's a good option for him. No, not for Jason Garrett. Yeah, I mean, that's a tire fire.

I would take the offensive coordinator job with the Giants before I took the head coaching job with the Brown. I agree, but I don't think either one's good enough for Jason Garrett. I think in one year, why can't he take a year off? Begin? And I think I was got 30 million. He can and he probably will. I mean, it's in these situations, sometimes it's better to just like step away, spend some time with your family, relax a little bit, de-stress, you know.

I think that I- Go to Cabo for a couple weeks and chill out. Mike McCarthy was getting mocked a year ago. He's now coached the Packers and the Cowboys. The two biggest brands along with the Steelers in the NFL. But if he wants to coach, if he wants to work, I don't think the offensive coordinator job for the Giants is a bad. I don't think it's a bad job. I don't think it's a bad job. But for Jason Garrett?

He's won the division multiple times. What's his reputation? It's as good as, isn't it as good as Mike McCarthy? No, Mike McCarthy is a better coach than Jason Garrett. Okay, but isn't it better than Josh McDaniels? And he's up for five jobs. Yes, but it's all about, you know, what's new. I'm a big believer.

Take a step back, walk the dog, play with your kids. If I'm Jason Garrett and I want to coach, I think going to the Giants is a better option because you can leave the Giants also when there's another position open that you find to be a better situation. Like he doesn't just because he goes to be an offensive coordinator for the Giants for two years, it doesn't mean he's not going to get a great head coaching job that might open them. We don't know what's going to be open down the road. I wouldn't take the Browns, but I think the Browns would be smart to try and hire Jason Gray. Yeah, like, listen, I keep reading these stories. Brown's interested in blank. Well, of course they are.

I mean, of course they like Urban Meyer. You know, I mean, like the Browns are, of course, interested in all these great candidates. Right, are they interested in the Browns? Yeah, and I'm not banging on Cleveland. I'm like, you, Cleveland's earned my doubt. Nobody's banging on Cleveland. But it is what it is, okay? Like, the numbers are there.

It's just facts. You have a crazy owner. It's facts. It's indisputable. No one's picking on Cleveland. It's year after year, after year, after year after year, it's not up already. Nobody's picking on anybody. When the facts change, then you can have that conversation.

It is what it is. We said what we said. Tom Brady said that retirement was unlikely after getting knocked out of the playoffs last weekend. And he talked to Peter King, as we just mentioned, after the loss about how he wants to keep playing. And Mike Sando, at the athletic, interviewed, you spoke to six NFL executives about Brady and Belichick and what the next move could be. Mike Sandel's good. Mixed responses. But one NFL executive thinks that Tom Brady and Bill Belichick wants to win a championship without each other.

The quote is, I subscribe to the theory that Brady and Belichick each other. wants to win one championship with the out of the other. Belichick's plan to doing that is by getting another high-level quarterback, which he knows you can only do if he drafts one. So it's kind of interesting. I believe this, though. I actually think... I think this is

the most accurate of situations. Mainly because they're both highly competitive championship winning individuals. Well, and this is interesting, Joy, because I agree with you. I subscribe to this theory. The difference is Belichick has nine years to coach. Right.

Brady's got about one more year to It's much more strategic for Brady Yeah, so what that tells me if Mike Sando is right And I trust Mike, I don't know him, but I trust him. He's very smart. Is that Brady's picking the best roster. He is going to go and go. Which is what he should do anyway.

Right, but a lot of times, like he's going to do a Peyton Man. He's like O-line coach. I mean, Brady's not, people have said Miami because Giselle would live in Miami. That's a rebuild. Miami is a rebuild. I don't think that that's as realistic. I think that the Chargers is the best situation for this.

All this lines up. No, yeah. And I do, I do believe this because for pretty much all, after they've won multiple championships, the conversation started to come up of, is it more Brady? Is it more Belichick? And their careers are obviously forever, forever tethered together. Yeah. But if one of them wins another championship without each other, it's going to be just a little

nudge in that direction. No question. So I do think if there's something to that. Finally, the Vikings kept their season alive with a big win against the same. Saints in New Orleans Sunday. They have a quick turnaround before heading to San Francisco to take on the Niners on Saturday, but head coach Mike Zimmer isn't using the short week as an excuse. It's similar to playing a Monday night game and then you've got to get ready for a Sunday game. Obviously we're going out to the West Coast, so that'll be a little bit different, but hey, it's

playoff time. You know, it's big boy football now. I like Mike Zimmer. They are seven-point underdogs against the Niners. I like every favorite this weekend. I like every favorite. If I was betting the games, I'd take all four favorites. I like them all. So many points. I know. And I like, and I don't like giving up points.

Uh, all odds provided by Fox Bed. Yes. I like all the favorites this weekend. I think it's you're asking Minnesota to come out of that environment and that game emotionally, short week and go to the rested San Francisco 49ers. That is a tough ask. I know. That is rough.

I know. And I like me. I did go into. I know. The thing about it is, it was an emotional win for them. Hugely emotional. And I don't really like emotions this early in the playoffs. So that's the one thing that gives me a little bit of pause about that and, of course, for cousins.

But he did win his first big game, so, you know, give him credit. I just, it was such an, like, big deal. Remember how bad Minnesota was after the Minnesota miracle the next week against Philadelphia? They, like, didn't show up. It's hard. When you come off your biggest win in the franchise, In franchising years, it is a big ask. No buy, short week.

You know, that seems like a lot of... It's a lot. It's a lot. But Foxx bad hasn't had a lot of points too. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News.

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Brought to you by Mercedes Benz, the best or nothing. All right, let's start with Mike McCarthy. felt safe to me, safe. I didn't get, it didn't get tingly. It was safe. What did you make of it? It worries me when you get tingly at any point in time. I, you know, I thought it was the perfect retread higher. And I think this is someone who can deal with letting Jerry be Jerry.

We all know it's about keeping this owner comfortable. And this guy has more skins on the wall. he would love Sean Payton. I mean, that's, you know, in his heart of hearts, that's his first love. He got away. Mike Zimmer is another love. I don't think Zimmer wanted to come back with Jerry. McCarthy is a really extremely safe choice.

I mean, we know the Panthers. We know the Giants. They're out there making really interesting choices. This was as safe as you can get. And I know, Colin, you got real caught up in that 12-person analytics crew he put together while he was away from Green Bay. Nothing gets me excited as a 12-person analytics crew. Were you surprised they didn't even make a run at Lincoln Riley?

Because six months ago, Matt, that was the choice, right? I think they probably visited with him. I think Lincoln knows that's a possibility down the road. But Lincoln knows he has an incredible situation in Oklahoma. He can still keep cranking out Heisman winners. and they loved him. He loved his play calling, but to Jerry. Now, I think Stephen might have been more enamored with him, but to Jerry, the head coaching experience is a huge thing. That's why they hired Wade, they almost hired Norve a long time ago.

With Garrett, they gave him all this time. I think you would argue far too long. And with McCarthy, they feel like, okay, he's had a year away. It is funny, though, how you can sit out a year and suddenly you're like, Everybody says, oh, great hire, wonderful hire. I'm not that guy. I'm a little bit with you. He doesn't do that much for me. But also Lincoln Riley doesn't do as much for me.

I mean, you know, it's a tough sell when you see a guy get hammered in that bowl game like he did. They weren't even in that game at all. And I don't know. I think as the season came to an end, they were less and less enamored with Lincoln Riley. Maybe someday. But I think he's going to be one of those guys like Stoops. It's always a rumor, but I'll be surprised if Lincoln Riley ever goes to the NFL. By the way, how's it playing in Dallas with Mike McCarthy?

What do you make of his relationship potentially with Dak? He did not build running games in Green Bay. He had Aaron Jones. Last year he was there. Didn't use him much. How does it play for Dak? Well, I think Dak is really looking forward to it. I think they will play up the fact that it worked extremely well in the early days of Aaron

Rogers. it wasn't great at the end. But all they need is to get Dak into his prime and have about five or six years together. And I feel like they thought it went, Barb and then to Rogers. And then as Farb told, you know, our buddy Edwardner, he thinks this was an incredible hire.

I think it's good for that. I think one thing McCarthy's going to have to be reminded. He's one of those coaches that loves to talk about the run game. And then he gets into a ball game. And he kind of forgets about it. And I think he's going to have to clean some of that up. Yes, you and I totally agree on that. There are coaches that say they love to run the ball,

and then there's Pete Carroll who actually likes to run the football. And John Gruden, who likes to run the football. Okay, so Matt Ruhl has done an amazing job. He's kind of the, he's a younger Urban Meyer. He turns programs around lightning quick. He's clearly got some leadership skills. You're a Baylor guy, so I would think this morning you would love Matt Ruhl going to Carolina. What say you?

I've tried. Yeah, I've tried to get you to talk Baylor forever, and you finally get me on when we lose our head coach. We're the number four team in the country in basketball, okay? Ben's basketball. I'm wearing black today. I'm having to say goodbye to Matt Rule. I wish him the best. I will say he did an incredible job.

What he did at Temple and Baylor, phenomenal. Baylor was in chaos. Baylor was scandal-ridden. It was a horrible situation. He wins one game. he goes 11 and 3. If you were close to the program like I was, you know how an amazing. So he will be fondly remembered in Waco is the man who led us back from the ashes.

Someday, today, the Baylor fans are like, don't let the doorknob hit you. They are, they are upset with him. Now, how will he be in the NFL? Let me just say this. You have, you've probably had him on. You've probably interviewed him. He's an incredible interview. He's extremely likable.

He's like, he's got a future as a motivational speaker. can do all of that. How will it translate at the NFL level? I'm just like you. I don't know how it will be. He is a program, program, process, process-oriented guy. How does that play with NFL players? He has a lot of conviction. But one thing he said recently, I want to go to a place where I have a quarterback in place. Guess what? He doesn't. I mean, what do you do? Where is Cam Newton? I mean, we know Cam Newton's up, we're in scarred somewhere. You know, Kyle Allen, we know him because he's from Texas. We don't think he's the answer.

So Matt Ruhl has done what he said he wouldn't do. He's gone to a place that has a shaky quarterback situation. Can that fan base and Teper, the billionaire, can they let him go one in 15? Can they let him go to, can he let him break it down and rebuild? I'm just saying NFL people love to talk about that. But as we saw with the Sixers. and other fan bases, it's easier to talk about than it is in practice. Matt Mosley has got the Matt Mosley Radio show, co-host of the Doom Day podcast,

and we just think he's great and fantastic, and we feel somewhat sad for you, but don't get greedy. Baylor had a good season, that's enough. Go back to being, you know, middle of the Big 12. You'll be fine. We love you. I can't believe this. Matt Mosley, great stuff, buddy.

He's just terrific. He's terrific. Very funny and very talented guy and has great sources. And by the way, he is right. Baylor football was on fire. I mean, it was a disaster. They had controversy. They had NCAA stuff.

What that guy did at Baylor is a top three in two years. I mean, what Matt ruled it at Baylor is remarkable. It is remarkable is perfect. It is not just a turnaround job. This isn't even a football school. I mean, this is a, I think it's a small private school down in Waco, home of Dr. Pepper. You know what?

For that, it's got that Flip the House's couple live down there. What's their name? The good-looking couple? I know what you're talking about. David, oh, geez, David Koresh. Waco had a lot of stuff. They had a lot going on there, yes.

It was a mass. And Matt Ruhle walked in there and just said, okay, boom, follow me. There's a power of personality with that kid. Do you think it's kind of interesting what he said, though. How does that process stuff work in the NFL? Well, when you get a seven-year contract, you got, first of all, he's verbal. So I'm a big believer in that.

Some guys can walk into a room and they just light it up. I mean, like that guy at Minnesota, that PJ Fleck, good God, I'd run across. I'd run into a, you know, a brick wall for that guy. Some guys, James Franklin at Penn State. Nick Saban. I think it's all about how you relate because I do think everything when it gets to that level is about process, but can you get people to buy into the process? Because it's monotonous because it's a process.

Yeah. Michelin Endurance XT silicone wiper blades two times longer than other blades only available at Walmart, Michelin Endurance XT silicone wiper blades. It's just going to be interesting. You got, you know, these, so Joe Judge is the coach of the Giants. I'll talk about that in a few minutes. Don't love that one. Cleveland's the only job open, and I would stress this, if you're a young coach, Kevin Stefansky,

and somebody offers you $50 million, take the job, take care of your family. But if I'm Josh McDaniels, I'm not taking Cleveland. They have shown no ability to be patient, no ability to give you support for several years. They overreact to any loss. I mean, they bailed on Freddie Kitchen six games in. People bailed on Freddie Kitchen six games in. Can you imagine if FS1 bailed on me six shows in? I want to be very smart.

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today, Mike McCarthy gets hired yesterday. Greg Jennings played with McCarthy forever. I don't think there's an analyst at any network. I know there's not that knows Mike McCarthy better than Greg Jennings, who joins us via the Coward Global Satellite Network brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. All right, so let's start with this. So I imagine you like the move. Here's my concern and tell me where I'm wrong. Coaches Greg all have a certain DNA. Pete Carroll, it's defense and run the ball. Andy Reed, it's developed quarterbacks and passing game. McCarthy very much about technique, mechanics, offense. He likes to throw the ball. He did not develop great running games in Green Bay. He bailed on a lot of them. And they have Zeke.

Is that a fair assessment or concern about Mike McCarthy? It's a fair assessment. I wouldn't classify it as a concern. And here's why. If you look at Green Bay in his time in Green Bay, he never had a running back that equates to an Ezekiel Elliott. We just never did. Amon Green was there, Mike's first couple years, and then Amon Green was gone. And then after that, it was kind of a revolving door. But what he did do, it wasn't so much of a bail on the running game. It was implementing run pass options to where there was quick hits that supplemented for the run, the lack of the run. So we had so many skill guys. Get the ball out to the perimeter where we viewed it as like a toss, a 90 sweep or 91 sweep, whatever you want to call it.

Quick smoke screens, get the ball in quick perimeter hands, let them do their job, get five, six yards. It was almost like a run play. And it was something that was built into our offensive scheme. So it wasn't like he just completely bailed. We never really had an established run game. He always wanted to establish it. But let's face it, our weapons and our damage was done. with the guys we had on the perimeter and with the quarterbacks that we had underneath the center.

Now, the other criticism is, you know, it is amazing when you take a year off. You know, it's like what they say about art. You know, the longer Picasso was gone, the more valuable of the art. Mike McCarthy, the day he got fired, we were all banging on him for being, you know, stale. And then a year later, we're all like, oh, this is a great hire. Let's talk about the stale rap on him, that it wasn't progressive. He's kind of got his own way of doing things. Address that because I heard a lot of that when he left Green Bay.

Okay. So when people say stale, like I was there. I was birthed into that offensive system. And it grew stale to someone who was birthed in it. So for Aaron Rogers to go to those meetings every single year and the install be the same, the language be the same, everything was always the same. and nothing really changed. There was no wrinkles here or there.

It was just what it was. You're going to the dinner table. It's going to be steak and potatoes. There's not going to be any extra little seasonings. It's going to be the same thing every single time. It works. Eat it. That was what we had.

Now, we implemented little wrinkles when it came to what we saw different teams have success with. But as far as scheming and strategically, making sure he took advantage of one-on-one matchups, whether it be with a tight-in or a running back or a wide receiver and just putting in plays for specific individuals, that was something that Mike McCarthy didn't do as much as we thought or wanted him to do, which is why Aaron Rogers alluded to and people like myself alluded to the offense growing stale.

Now, it didn't mean that it didn't work. Right. But it was something that was like, dude, can we? switch it up a little bit. Now for someone else, like a Dak Prescott in this team offensively, they're going to think it's brilliant. Why? Because it's new. It's different. He could go there with the same scheme and we can see it, but it might look a little different. I don't think he'll do that. I think he'll add to his repertoire, which is why we've seen the Mike McCarthy project, which I applaud him for. It's impressive when a coach realizes,

okay, this is why I may have had a departure. Let me address it. Let me not be stubborn. Let me address it. Doesn't mean what you did didn't work. As you put up those stats, those numbers offensively don't lie. The Green Bay Packers are not overly just better than what they were with Martha McCarthy, now that he's gone.

They were better with, but they're winning. Why it's a different voice, a different messenger, a different head of household. hold if you will. Yeah. Let me, what did you like about? Let's talk about him as a communicator. And I think I was the first national guy that said this a lot. I'm like, I think Aaron's difficult. I think he's brilliant, but I don't think he's always the easiest guy to coach. So a lot of people, you're not going to fire Aaron Rogers. He fired the coach. Talk to me and tell my audience, Greg, about Mike the communicator. What did you like? What maybe could be a problem? Because I have no, I'm not behind those doors. He is a great communicator. I, from day,

one, he allows guys and brings guys in and wants their input and wants them to understand his point of view, but he also wants to listen to yours. And it happens when you establish yourself as someone that he can depend on and that he realizes you're going to be a huge component to our success. Once he realizes that and once he knows that and going into Dallas, he's identified those guys already and he will bring them in. and they will have input, and he will communicate why we're going to be successful and how we're going to be successful. And why I like this hire for Dallas is because you get,

although Dak Prescott hasn't signed a contract with the Dallas Cowboys, we're all pretty certain that he will. They both have something to prove. Dak Prescott had his best season individually as a quarterback in this league last year, but it didn't equate to wins. Mike McCarthy got outed because his style, wasn't equating two wins. They both have something to prove.

Both of their methods work. Now them working together, they are going, one is going to listen very well and absorb, and the other is going to listen very well and absorb because it was something that he was told,

I didn't do really well, or it was hard. It was a challenge because of who I had at the quarterback position because of how he was able to establish himself as an elite quarterback in this league.

You know, it's funny. I like Matt Rule. going to Carolina because he's been a head coach at two places and you can be a smart guy, but I don't want you taking over an NFL team and learning how to be a head coach. There's a big gap.

Norve Turner's a great coordinator. Wade Phillips is a great coordinator. It never quite made the head coaching transition. So Joe Judge, you know, my guys I call this morning, they're like, he's super smart, but I watch the Patriots wide receivers. Nikiel Harry almost

feels like a bust. Muhammad Sunnihani. didn't work as fast as I thought. I can blame everybody else, but it's his unit. Boy, he has never been a head coach. He'd never even been an offense or a defensive coordinator. And now it's New York City. Holy mackerel, that's a big leap.

Are you concerned about that working? You know, I am concerned. And I'll go from this perspective as a player. Number one, when I first heard of the hiring, I had to ask honestly, who is Joe Judge? Like, and so as a player, I'm being honest, Colin. Like, and I'm an analyst. I probably should have known it, but then, again, I shouldn't have.

But when you look within the locker room, and that is the first thought that players are going to have, who? That's just not a good look coming into an organization that has struggles and is on the growing side of things. They're trying to establish themselves. It's almost like he's coming in there again with no credibility. He's from the New England tree.

And all of a sudden, you automatically assume, let's just plug them in because he might bring some of that Belichick pedigree. Well, like you've alluded to, we've seen Belichick guys go and they've not all had success. I don't personally like the hire, but I didn't like the Daniel Jones pick as well. and I'm starting to like a little bit of General Jones now. So we'll see. Yeah, we will see. You listen, all this stuff is very interesting. Nobody has the answers.

I mean, I would have never guessed Tom Coughlin, you know, out of Boston College would have been this good. So, you know, I mean, Pete Carroll, and it had been fired twice, goes to USC, comes back. And, you know, so who knows? I just, it's a lot to go from wide receiver coach to New York Giants head coach. Greg Jennings, been subbing all week on first things first, doing an amazing job for us at Fox Sports. Thanks, buddy. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's a big jump.

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You have Dante Scarnacki is the best offensive line coach, arguably ever. You have Brian Flores, very prominent. and Josh McDaniels, is it reasonable to say he's your sixth best leader in the program? That's what I'm saying. And what about Mike Frable? Mike Frable never coached under Belichick. He was a player. The only coach that has worked under Belichick is Bill O'Brien.

And I got nothing against him. I don't know Bill. Penn State got better when he left. And Houston is the most head-scratching franchise in the league. I've never seen a team ever. playoff team as bad as Houston in the first quarter. Tu-E, you're responsible. This is your city.

If I said to you, Bill O'Brien, give me a sentence on what you'd say. Just a hot mess. Kind of a hot mess. Again, not saying this is a bad coach. He won a division with backups. But if Bill O'Brien's your guy, I mean, Andy Reid can go, John Harbaugh, Doug Peterson, Matt Nagy. There's about four other guys.

So, I just that Joe Judge thing is, Doesn't it feel a little bit like Freddie Kitchens? A little bit. I mean, he was a special team's coordinator, so Freddie had never been a coordinator. He was an interim coordinator. The difference is this guy was going to get a college head coaching job. So he was. Well, I mean, listen, it's a step above Freddie Kitchens, but it still feels like a massive jump.

He's in his 30s. It's a big jump. You know, and again, it's not that Joe Judge isn't smart enough. it's not that he couldn't become but boy New York puts I mean just think about this Adam Gase

you know had some success in Miami we didn't even talk about Adam Gase he goes to the Jets and we're looking at his eyes we're talking about his mannerisms he gets I mean we are like a fine tooth comb all over constantly

Adam Gase that's the kind of pressure and microscope you're under in New York you know Joe judge, to me, hire him in college, put him down in Mississippi State. Nobody pays attention to them. That's an LSU conference, a Bama, an Auburn, a Florida, Georgia, LSU. And then, you know, he coaches three or four years, then you bring him up. But wow, first job? Yay. That's a lot. By the way, go to mDrive for Men.com. Code, heard 20% off.

Elevate your testosterone levels. Lean muscle. It's great. Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, you've been saying all morning Pete Carroll loves to run the ball. Marshawn Lynch scored a touchdown in both games. He did. He did rejoining the team. Not many carries, but he did.

Yep. And Pete Carroll says his workload is only going to increase this week against the Packers. I think he's doing great. I mean, I'm really excited about it. I want to see him do more now. I think we can increase his role and allow him to be a little more active part of it. He does bring an element that we love and that's that style and that toughness. And we saw it on the sidelines when he was, you know, when he's dumping guys, you know, out of pounds.

And we saw it on the goal line when he's when he's smacking in the end zone. After getting hit on about that three or four, he still finished it off. He's got all of those elements that we love. So I think we'll see more of him in the next couple weeks here. Pete Carroll's career is fascinating. So Pete got fired twice and then he gets reborn at USC. And then he goes to Seattle and he scraps around and then he gets Russell Wilson. And now when you just, when Pete tells him.

talks, you listen. You're like, oh, well, I mean, Pete, he's the best, he and Belichick are the best road quarterbacks in the NFL, coaches in the NFL. Pete Carroll's the great, you know what, Pete Carroll did, Joy, we're talking about these coaches. Pete changed everything. Like, Pete had been fired twice and he said, I'm going to change the way I see the world. And he went to USC and he kind of rebranded himself. So. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like sometimes you, a lot of coaches fail their first time around. Yes. You learn what you did wrong. And, Maybe you implement it, but that depends on your personality and who you are as an individual if you can learn from mistakes and failures. And that's what Pete, that's what Bill Belichick did.

That's what Pete Carroll did. Yeah. So it matters. We fire our football coaches. We fire our good football coaches. All coaches. Like, that's part of the business. Unfortunately, it's just that is part of the business if you're a coach.

Sabin fired, Belichick fired, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid. Four of the best coaches in America have all been fired. I mean, Mark Cuban fired, Howard Stern fired. it's like you get fired in America like if you take big jobs that means big responsibility and goofy owners and you know pressure yeah well the Seahawks

are four point underdogs according to Fox bet this weekend against the Packers you think the Packers are going to win convincingly I like all the favorites God it's asking a lot to go into Lambo to the rested Packers two weeks to prep I like the Packers I have all season

but I just think they're a great road team I'm gonna take the Packers to win, but four is a lot of points. I think the Seahawks cover. So we're down to one head coaching spot left. That's the Cleveland Browns. They've added another candidate, Jim Schwartz, who is the Eagles defensive coordinator. Very intense.

Not very successful with the Lions. Very intense. The interview will reportedly happen tomorrow. They're also still set to interview Patriots offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels, and Vikings offensive coordinator, Kevin Stefanski, later this week as well. Some other candidates are the chief's offensive coordinator, Eric Bianami, 49ers. defensive coordinator, Robert Sala, Brian's offensive coordinator,

or Bill's offensive coordinator, Brian Daible, and the Ravens offensive coordinator, Greg Roman. So there's a lot of names still out there. They have the ability to be patient now because all of the other head coaching positions are now filled. Yeah, the rest of the field's theirs. I mean, they got literally their choice.

Yeah, they can take their time. Cleveland's got no hurry. What's the hurry? You know, I always feel like if you have this many options, it's not a very good job. There's only a, there's certain jobs where there should only be a very small amount of candidates that are qualified for that job if it's a good job.

Right. And then sometimes a team will go rogue like the Giants and hire Joe Judge and none of us know what's going on. I mean, if Nick Saban left Bama, there would probably be three people that you could really possibly replace him with. Thank you. So if you have a head coaching position, if you have a position that is a good job, there's not that many people. You should not be interviewing 10 people, eight, eight interviews. Like, there should not be that many people on the list. So of the available people, I'm not saying who would take the job,

is Urban Meyer the best one? I think he is. Now, if you look at everybody off, because Matt Rule was way up there. So I would say Urban's number one. It's still available, yeah. I would. But, I mean, Urban's never coach. I mean, Eric B. Enemy would be my two.

I would say Eric B. Enemy, because he's been in the NFL. Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett. So if you said your three best are Urban Jason Garrick B. Enemy. I am not as high on Josh McDaniels as everybody else. I think he's capable, but I think he comes with baggage. I'm not either. And I think it's a highly combustible situation.

And he's a highly combustible guy. Right. I don't think that he won't be successful somewhere. I just don't think that the Browns is the right place for them. I think the Browns needs stability and maturity and process. And someone like Matt Rule, who's going to build the organization because they have no culture. But that said, again, if you have a culture, like if you have an organization, you have a position, there's only a certain amount of people that really, you should really be looking at.

Who's interviewing? Who's doing all the interviews in Cleveland? Haslam? I think it's Jimmy Haslam, the owner. So he's not a football guy. And the Podessa. So a baseball guy and a billionaire. Like, what about the football guy? Do we got a football guy doing any interviews? That matters a little bit? Kind of? A little? I think so. Finally, Brett Farberman is last two seasons in Green Bay with Mike McCarthy as his head coach, and obviously McCarthy is now with the Cowboys. Farb thinks it's a perfect match.

I think it's a good fit for Mike, and I think it's a great fit for the Cowboys. No one knows what the end result will be, but I believe that he is tailor-made for that job. And I'm not here to knock Jason Garrett the job he did. I'm talking about from here and into the future, I think he'll bring a level of brash and toughness, but along with that, a high level of confidence and believability. When he gives his talk each week before they play, whoever, whether they're an underdog or the favorite, I think that his players will believe that they can win every game.

And I think it'll be good for that. I really do. Again, I think that Mike McCarthy's success with the Cowboys will be determined by Jerry Jones and nothing else. They have the talents. We thought that they had the talent this year. McCarthy has the resume. they've got the pieces in place.

They've got the culture in place. They've got all the facilities. They got everything they need to be successful. Is Mike McCarthy going to be able to do what Mike McCarthy wants to do? That to me is what's going to determine whether he's successful with the Cowboys or not. But I think this is a great hire. We'll see. Doesn't make me tingly.

Why do you have to be tingly? Everything doesn't have to be, you know, spicy. Yesterday was my birthday. I want to be tingly right now. Tingley? I mean, listen, it's the. Cowboys is a very high profile job. Don't you like Urban Meyer, Ohio State, you're like, oh my God, I can't wait to watch it.

It's like Greg said, though, sometimes you just need, you know, every morning I eat the same breakfast. It's healthy, it's nutritious. No, I'm boring. It's the day started right. I am boring. I like to park in the same parking spot. I get it. I parked right next to Skip Baylis.

And then, you know, you save the tinkles for later. And then I park right next to Skip so he can't open his door to get in, has to slide from the other door every day. Save the tingles for. after the work is done. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News.

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filled. Cowboy job filled. Giants job filled. Carolina job filled. The only one left is Cleveland. And it's the least attractive job. You've got it's a young roster. It's loud. They don't really have a

general manager. You got a baseball guy Brian Deebadesta that's a smart guy according to reports. I don't know him. It is weird that if you were as smart as Ryan Bedesto, why wouldn't you have a great baseball job? But he took the NFL job with the Browns and you have an impulsive owner and you have a quarterback who's on field, off field judgment and Baker Mayfield has not been ideal. So other than that, they're all getting filled.

Whoever Cleveland hires, they will assure us it's the person they wanted the entire time. That part I know. But I was thinking about Mike McCarthy. In the 90s, there was a famous Gatorade campaign like Mike. It was also a good decade, 90s for the Dallas Cowboys. So we're going to do like Mike or dislike Mike. Mike McCarthy, new coach for the Cowboys. Who will the players like or not like?

Will Jack Prescott like Mike or dislike Mike McCarthy as the Cowboys I coach? I think this is an easy one. This is a like Mike. Aaron Rogers won two MVP's under Mike McCarthy. He worked with Favre and Aaron Rogers. And by the way, both Favre and Aaron Rogers were allowed to ad lib. was not restrictive. He was a coach that would listen to them, play to their strengths, let them ad lib.

Dak is somebody who is mobile and can move and sometimes on the run throws pretty well. So he's not a restrictive guy, so I think he'll like him. Yeah, I'm excited to see what they do together. How about Ezekiel Elliott, like Mike or dislike Mike? I think this is an easy dislike Mike. No, don't like that. Yeah, Zeke likes Cary's. Remember at Ohio State when he complained?

Urban Meyer forgot about him. McCarthy hasn't had a thousand-yard rusher since Eddie Lacey. It was like six years ago. That was his last thousand-yard rusher. And in 2018, the Packers were last in rushing attempts and rushing percentage. And that was not with a bad offensive line. And that was sometimes with Aaron Rogers hurt. I think it's fair to say he's a coach that says he likes to run the ball,

but boy, does he move off running if in the first quarter you don't get little increases and seams to his liking. So I don't think it's great for Zeke. How about Amari Cooper, like Mike or dislike Mike? Now, I think this guy may like Mike more than any cowboy. Okay, so, yeah, okay. Five different receivers went to the Pro Bowl under Mike McCarthy. He is very wide receiver friendly.

In fact, he'll go for those little hitches and bubble screens over a run. By the way, Amari's a free agent. McCarthy is going to fight for him. Randall Cobb Best years with Mike McCarthy So he's going to fight for Amari Cooper He's had Randall Cobb And I just thought

I always felt like if you talk to Green Bay receivers McCarthy was in their corner He liked using them Jerry Jones Is he like Mike or dislike Mike? He'll like Mike It's his hire

Secondly, Jerry doesn't do the day-to-day football stuff This is somebody that will listen to Jerry. It's Jerry's higher. He's respectful of Jerry. Mike, most people that know Mike McCarthy like Mike McCarthy. He's not rigid. He's not outspoken.

I mean, he took a lot of arrows during the Aaron Rogers Day. Yeah, he just took it. So he's dealt with Farr of an Aaron Rogers. Big personalities, iconic figures before. Mike's dealt with them. He can straddle a line, you know, be a little politician. I think Mike's pretty good at that. Jerry will like him. How about Stephen Jones?

I could sense some frustration, some dislike at some point. No, don't like that. Stephen is more in the football operation side. He's the draft guy. He buys the groceries and gives him to Mike, and Mike's not terribly creative. You know, also does Zeke start going to Stephen Jones complaining? I do think it'll be interesting to see how Mike. uses this power running game because it's really what the team should be.

DAC on play action. Dax the leader of the team, but really the offense generates through a power running game, time of possession. I think Stephen Jones could over time be frustrated. Yeah, how much of the groceries is Mike McCarthy going to get? Yeah. Will Troy Aikman like or dislike Mike McCarthy? He'll like Mike.

Because McCarthy's a former Packer coach, so they're going to get discussed a lot. He does a lot of cowboy games. The Cowboy games get big ratings. I think there's drama with Mike McCarthy. If he starts winning, we're all going to go, oh, Aaron Rogers. What's wrong, Aaron Rogers? What if Dallas very quickly starts elevating above Green Bay? Matt Lafleur, let's say Green Bay loses this weekend.

McCarthy comes out and goes 7 and 0. It's like, yeah, it's an Aaron Rogers topic. The Cowboys will remain a topic. Troy Aikman will like Mike. All right. How about John Goulet? Will Goulet like Mike or dislike Mike? He will disliked Mike.

like him. No, don't like that. Because Mike, John Goulet doesn't like anything but chocolate banana bread, which we serve every morning. He's very negative. He has this thing that nobody can do anything right with the Cowboys. I've known John for 12 years.

I've never seen him. When we talk Cowboys, he's always the most cynical voice of the Cowboys. He didn't even grow up in Dallas. He grew up in Connecticut. So he's not even in the belly of the beast, and he still, I don't think, John. John, what is your opinion on the hire? I don't really trust most things the Cowboys do.

I have nothing against McCarthy necessarily, but all of the coaches that Jerry's ever hired, all of them haven't worked out unless they just happen to have gone to college with him, like Jimmy Johnson or Barry Switzer. Every other coach has kind of been disappointed. I think that's incredibly fair. So there you go. It's a little bit of positivity.

Yeah. A lot of, man, these things, I like Ron Reve. I like Judge. I like McCarthy. The Joe Judge or the Giants doesn't work for me at all. But we'll see. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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