The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NFL trade deadline, Packers, Jimmy Butler, and the Rockets

Episode Date: October 31, 2018

Colin discusses the winners and losers of the NFL trade deadline, the Houston Rockets pursuit of Minnesota Timberwolves F Jimmy Butler, and the influence Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers has over the team. Guests include Nick Wright, Joel Klatt, Bucky Brooks, and Caron Butler. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here today, we're packed on FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. You've got sort of a Halloween-ish-cool-looking thing. I'm going with the Elvira. The chic Morticia Adams.

I like it. today. She's like the millennial morticia today. And I'm just dressed like your local accountant. I'm completely boring. You look fan.

You're a lactose intolerant sportscaster. I'm going again as a lactose intolerant sportcaster tonight with my son. He can't wait. He's going as one of those Mike Myers Halloween guys. I want to start with this. You know, it's important that relationships have balance.

All relationships have balance. You respect her. She respects you. You feel lucky. She feels. lucky, but I've seen some of my friends in their lifetime. Maybe you have to date somebody that's a little out of their league, and they spend all this time with them, and they're obsessive about it.

Like relationships need to be balanced, that you both need each other. Green Bay and Aaron Rogers is getting uncomfortable here. So yesterday, the Green Bay Packers, in the incredibly competitive NFC, the really, the Rams are better at practice today. The Redskins are better at practice today. The Dallas Cowboys with Amari Cooper are better at practice. Philadelphia added Golden Tate, they're better at practice today. The Green Bay Packers are not better at practice today.

They gave away Ty Montgomery. And they gave away Ha Ha, ha, Clinton Dicks. By the way, there is not a seventh rounder available in any draft of my lifetime that is good as Ty Montgomery. I'm not saying Time Montgomery is a star, but there's a reason he was in your running meetings, your receiver meetings, and your special team meetings. That's a pretty valuable guy. That's a pretty valuable guy. In a good organization, the Raven said, you know what?

We're going to put them in a bunch of our meetings, too. Ha, ha, Clinton Dix. There will not be a fourth rounder this year as good as Ha, ha, Clinton Dix. There won't be. Won't be. So at practice today, you're less talented. But we know what happened is that Ty Montgomery's gone because he ticked off Aaron Rogers.

and ha-ha Clinton Dix is gone because of Aaron Rogers' new contract. This is becoming Shaq in Orlando, Oklahoma City in Westbrook, LeBron in Cleveland, and Aaron Rogers in Green Bay. When you date somebody out of your league, it's never an even relationship. Ted Thompson, get him out of here. Time Montgomery, good player. Get him out of here. He ticked Aaron off.

And Mike McCarthy's up next. That is not to say New England doesn't love Tom Brady, but Tom Brady doesn't own the franchise. Okay. That's not to say the Lakers don't like LeBron, but they told him, we're not giving you the franchise. That's not to say the warriors don't like Golden State, but they won without him. Is that success breeds confidence. Big markets breeds options. small towns that gets professional sports franchises,

especially if they don't win, and even if they do, they have often low sports self-esteem. Cleveland's tiptoeing around LeBron and Oklahoma City doesn't want to make Westbrook unhappy, and they enable them. And yesterday, Ty Montgomery, yeah, we don't need you.

Really, I watched them. In their own division, Minnesota and Chicago have better players in Green Bay. You don't need Ty Montgomery. You don't need Ha-ha Clinton Nicks. You don't need them. Oh, okay. Because, by the way, Minnesota, Chicago, in your own division are better. Philadelphia is better. Rams are way better. I'm watching

all these NFC teams. Dallas has better players. But okay. I just want to make sure when the Packers are at practice today, you do understand they're a less talented football team. You get that, right?

Nobody in the world in the NFL thinks this morning that the Packers are more talented. They're not bailing on this season. I'm not saying that. But they're going to New England, and they just got rid of one of their most talented players and certainly one of their most versatile. You get into these relationships.

Westbrook and Oklahoma City is one of them. They're just tiptoeing around. Billy Donovan, don't tell Westbrook that. Don't he'll leave us. And they got into that in Cleveland. firsthand. I lived in Florida with Shaq in Orlando. And I saw it with Dwight Howard in Orlando. And I'm watching this Green Bay thing right now. It's getting weird. It's getting unhealthy. You're dating somebody out of your league. This is how guys act. They get weird. I can't speak for

women. I've seen guys do it. You start buying really expensive stuff. You're on your phone all day talking to her. Like everything schedules around her. What about your friends? What about your life? What about your parents? What about your this is this whole thing? Time Montgomery, ticked off Aaron, get out. Clinton Dix, going forward, got to pay Aaron, get out. Good luck. Forget your own division. The NFC?

Because I watched this morning and three teams in the NFC got better. They added talented players. They didn't get out of the talented player business. Let me shift to this. One of those teams is the Eagles. They picked up Golden Tate. I like that a lot. I think it's like it matters.

like that was not one of these like well they picked up a white no no no no no no golden tape to the Eagles matters and I'll tell you why wide receivers in the NFL due to rule changes have become three point shooters in the NBA they used to be specialists used to have like

you used to have a three point shooter like Steve Kerr 20 years ago with the Bulls he was a specialist Steve Kerr in a golf bag was a sand wedge now Steve Kerr in the NBA would be a putter or a nine iron or a driver or a three wood he'd be valuable. Things that used to be a specialty.

Like if you owned a big company 15 years ago and you had a really good internet site, you had a digital presence. It was like, it's a great company, brick and mortar, but you know, they got a cool website. Now if you don't have a cool website, the CEO gets fired. It's no longer a specialty. It is a necessity. If you look at Golden Tate to Philadelphia, they got the quarterback, star tied in, good old line, great pass rush, excellent coach, great GM,

boy, they could use a difference maker outside, and they just picked that up. At this time of the year in the NFL, we're getting close to Thanksgiving. There's always about seven or eight teams that feel like, because this is the way it works. I mean, in the NBA now, now that Houston stinks, what do we have, two, three? In baseball, end of the year, you felt like there were six. in football today, there feels like there's eight teams to me that are in the Super Bowl bubble. And I was on the fence with Philadelphia,

and then they went and got Golden Tate. And the teams to me that feel like these eight teams are going to win the Super Bowl are New England, Pittsburgh, Chargers, Texans, Kansas City, Rams, Saints, Eagles, all with good wide receivers. By the way, Carolina is on the outlooking in real close. And the reason is they're not going to get any chance,

over-the-top touchdowns because they're not good enough at wide receiver. Carolina's on the outside looking in. If you look at the chargers, Saints, Eagles now, Kansas City, New England, Houston, Pittsburgh, weapons. And now, Minnesota, Atlanta have good wide receivers. That doesn't guarantee you're in. Minnesota's quarterback's not good enough. I can't put him in, and Atlanta's got deficiencies on the defensive side. But Greg Jennings was talking about this yesterday.

You see this in three-point shooters. They're no longer a luxury. They're no longer a specialty. It doesn't matter if you have LeBron. If you don't have two legitimate, big-time three-point shooters, you're not winning the Western or the Eastern Conference. You're not. You're not winning it.

And in the NFL, when Golden Tate goes to Philadelphia, I think about them differently this morning. I really do. They're in the club of eight. Here's Greg Jennings. I like the Philadelphia move. I like Golden Tate. When I look at this Philadelphia Eagles team, they just extend it and add it to not only their running game, but obviously their passing game. Golden Tate is a running back playing wide receiver.

He's a big heavy yard after the catch guy. You get the ball out of Carson Winsons's hands, quick, fast, slot guy that they trust more than even a Nelson Aguilar, and he adds that stability. Totally agree. First of all, how great was it yesterday? We had all these playoff teams adding people. The NFL trading deadline, it used to be in baseball. They had the hot stove league. That used to be a baseball thing.

But the NFL is so smart that they move the trading deadline back two weeks, which is brilliant. Because now by week eight, if you're one in seven, two and six, three and five, like Denver's lost twice to the chiefs now, why not get rid of a receiver? The NFL, baseball used to own this space. Now it's football. now it's the NBA football move back their trading deadline two weeks and so Detroit's like yeah we don't have the Minnesota we're not this this by week six years ago no no no teams wouldn't bail on players but by week eight one in seven two and six three and five you lose to the chiefs twice if you're Denver let's move people I thought it was a great move for Philadelphia coming up next

dynasties make their rivals crazy and we are watching it happen in the NFL and we're watching it happen last night in the NFL NBA. Dynasties make your rivals loony tunes. Do crazy stuff. I'll explain it coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. God, I love our production people at FS1.

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I'm taking my son Halloween tonight. 12-year-old kid loves it. We're going to have a blast. Halloween in my hometown is a really big deal. Did he used to like trick-or-treating? Oh, trick-or-treating is great. I don't remember it much as a kid because I lived in a small town and houses were far apart. But where I live, they're all jammed next to each other, so it'll be a blast.

I have never been trick-or-treating. Oh, God, go tonight and have a blast. Oh, yeah, we're going tonight, but I've never been trick-or treating. I grew up in a religious household. I know. Bonnie is looking at me. Like, what is happening? I know, isn't that crazy?

We used to go to church harvest parties. That's what the church people call them. Boring. What I'm about to talk about, I've seen happen my whole life. Dynasties in sports make the rivals crazy. People forget this. Before Tom Brady, the Buffalo Bills were a great franchise. They had been to the playoffs in a 12-year stretch, eight years.

They had Hall of Famers all over the roster. Franchise quarterback, Hall of Famers. Post-Tom Brady, the Buffalo Bills are reactionary loony tunes. The Miami Dolphins before Tom Brady. were a gold standard of excellence. Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jimmy Johnson, free agent market. From 1990 to 2001, 12 years, they'd made the playoffs nine times.

They had an all-time great quarterback. Don Shula was arguably the best coach ever. Miami Dolphins and the Buffalo Bills before Tom Brady were standards of excellence. Brilliant front offices. Superstar quarterbacks. Move the television ratings. Tom Brady arrives. They reach, overpay, overreact.

That's what greatness does. The Houston Rockets now are terrible. They got this close to beating Golden State. Golden State's great. And they went crazy. They signed Carmelo Anthony. And Carmelo Anthony makes no sense for them. They shoot only threes.

He's awful at. it. They finally got good last year because they played defense. He's probably the worst defensive forward in the game. And they played great last year because not only was their defense good, but their chemistry was terrific. And is there a worse chemistry guy in the NBA than Carmelo Anthony? Darry is a smart guy. But I've seen this happen. When you get close to beating great, Jacksonville got close to beating Tom Brady. And they're not very. And they're not even a rival of Tom Brady? What did they do? Overreact. Blake Bortle's huge deal. He was 21 and 40. What the hell are you doing? He had 21 TD's 13 picks. You pulled the

Brinks truck up. What are you doing? That's what greatness does. It creates crazy. Nick Saban, LSU fired their coach, Les Miles. They were winning 11 games a year. They fire him. Next year they lose Detroit. And they're going to get smoked by Alabama this weekend. I mean, it's amazing. to me why Houston, now struggling, brought in Carmelo Anthony. I had lunch a couple weeks ago with Darry. I said, I don't really get it. You're the guy that went to MIT. I went to Eastern Washington University.

You're the smart guy. But your chemistry was great. He's awful for it. Your defense was finally great. He doesn't play it. And you shoot three pointers. He's awful at it. He's shooting 36% this year.

And I've seen it happen my whole life. And when you get close to beating it, you almost beat the Patriots, Jacksonville. You almost beat the Warriors Rockets. Then you're really, now you're like, oh, my God, I can't sleep. Remember, Daryl was on the air and, to his credit, acknowledged his fascination and obsession with the Warriors. How motivated are you to keep pace with the Warriors?

I mean, it's the only thing we think about. I think I'm not supposed to say that, but I mean, we're basically obsessed with how do we beat the Warriors? We calculated it. It's like 90% if we're going to win a title. We've got to obviously beat the Warriors at some point. And so we're extremely focused on that. And a lot of our signings and, you know, what we do during the year is based on that. I mean, since Saban arrived in the SEC, there's been 72 head coaching firings.

People have gone crazy in the South. I mean, crazy. And since Brady arrived, Buffalo and Miami, have become loony bin franchises. And Golden State took an MIT guy who loves analytics to get the worst analytic forward in the NBA, Carmelo Anthony. And I think this is what great does. It drives you nuts.

I got to beat it. How do I beat it? I'm in a competitive industry. Oh, damn, we got close to beating it. I mean, even Tom Conflin Jacksonville. Oh, my God, we almost beat Brady. Let's give Blake Bordles a ton. How about let's not?

He's 21 and 14. 40. Joy Taylor with the news. No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, they say, your only competition's in the mirror, Colin. Who says that? People. Really?

People who, you know, want to focus on being the best version of yourself. But it has lent to something that you're talking about. Say that line again? Your only competitions in the mirror. I love that. It's looking right back at you. I love spending time in the mirror to begin with. Be the best version of yourself every day.

All right. So one of the biggest ones, The winners of the NFL trade deadline yesterday was Deshawn Watson. Trading for Demarius Thomas was a move the Texans had to make because we'll Fuller towards ACL. Yeah. Same night that Watson threw for five touchdowns and torched those dolphins you were just talking about. Yeah. On national TV, leaving D'Andre Hopkins alone as a one-man show. So now he'll be spending the next three days in Houston before going back to Denver to face the Broncos in his first game as a Texan.

Here he is talking about that. It'll be a little difficult, of course, you know, playing in Denver. for eight and a half, one or nine years, and I get traded to the first team I play is different. So, you know, it'll be a little different. So, you know, I look forward to it, but I can't be too much. I got to go out and be a part of the Houston team and try to get the W. I still watch the son when he was in college at Clemson, you know, watching his game. I always, you know, praised him.

So being able to play with him now, being a part of the Houston, Texas, you know, I look forward to it and we're very excited about it. I liked it. Again, I thought it makes them now, again, they're in my Super Bowl bubble. Now, I would say Houston's probably the closest to being out of the bubble. Carolina is the closest to being into the bubble. But I think these days to have multiple weapons, I think it matters. I think Carolina and Houston are kind of on the same level to me because at least Carolina has the experience of being there. So that.

But Carolina throwing the ball down the field is a problem. that's why they kind of balance out for me. They have the experience, but they lack the weapons. They lack the over-the-top pop, which I'm going to get with the chiefs and the chargers and everybody else. Well, it certainly makes things more difficult call for defenses going up against Houston now because they have two threats. You know it's funny, Joy, I actually was surprised there weren't more moves.

I mean, there was a bunch of moves, playoff teams, like Washington right now leads the division, went and got somebody. Baltimore's a potential playoff team. Obviously, the Rams, the Philadelphia Eagles, Houston. We had a lot of movement. I thought it was great. I thought the Colts would make a move for a receiver. Because I believe, if you look at the AFC, we talked about this yesterday. New England's going to win their division.

Pittsburgh's going to win their division. We know both Kansas City and the Chargers are a playoff teams. And you start looking at the Texans. The other wildcard team probably, it's possibly coming out of that division. The Colts could really use one more weapon for Andrew Luck, one more perimeter weapon. Maybe they feel like they're kind of overachieving this year anyway, so could. You know, why not wait into the draft and save the pieces that we have in place now?

So Eli Manning's taking a little heat this season, a tiny little bit. He's taking a heat over the last two seasons, actually. And the shots continue to be fired. Former Giants Vice President of Player Evaluation Mark Ross appeared on the NFL Network and said it's time to bench Eli. I think that's what you have to do. You have to see, I mean, this is the state they're in now where there are hopes. are in Kyle Aletta, fourth round pick from Richmond.

So that just kind of shows you, wow, this is what we're really banking on. So they can't get worse. I mean, they're 31st, 29, 30th, and all these stats. So you can't get worse. So you might as well try something different and see what happened. The NFL, you've got to move forward. You've got to be ahead of the curve. You can't go backwards.

So at this point, I think everybody kind of knows you've got to move forward. You've got to move on if you want to win. What's your goal? Is it to win or to make people happy? or sacrifice other things to keep reputations. By the way, I'm so tired of hearing about the Giants' offensive line. Nate Solders seemed capable for a decade. By the way, they drafted an offensive lineman out of the draft,

who has been a very good player. I'm tired of hear. They got a star running back. They got a star wide receiver. Nate Solders not as bad. I'm tired of hearing about the offensive line for the Giants. Stop it. It's a bunch of garbage.

Tom Brady, if I ask the average fan, name one player on the Patriots offensive line. You could not. If I asked you to name a giant, you'd be going. Nate Solder. You know him because he was good for a decade. It's Eli. Stop blaming the offensive line.

Listen, it's not great, but Philadelphia's offensive line, the start of this year had injuries and didn't play well, and they could still win games. The Giants have topped 30 points once in their last 40 games. If you go take Odell Beckham, who drives me crazy, you take him out of Eli's career. He completes 59% of his throws. You can take Brady is throwing a touchdown pass to 74 guys.

You could take anybody including Randy Moss out of Tom Brady's career. It's the same career. You take one guy out of Eli's career. He's like Blake Bortles. I'm with you. It probably is time. And maybe you were planning on maybe benching him. And then Calauleta got arrested yesterday.

So kind of put a, it's kind of a great week. Could have been solved. Draft Sam Darnold. Could have all been solved. Finally, Russell Westbrook. and Patrick Beverly do not like each other. Another chapter was added to that beef last night. The tension began when Russ took Beverly to the rim

and celebrated by rocking an imaginary baby to sleep. There you go. He did it again and then Beverly mimicked him. But then things got shipping the fourth quarter when Westbrook lost the ball and Beverly appeared to die for the loose ball, but his shoulder rammed into Westbrook's knee. Yeah.

And he was assess a flagrant foul. Oh, give me a break. Patrick Beverly was hustling. I like Patrick Beverly. He is the hustler, but you got to be careful when it comes to knees, especially Patrick Beverly. But here is Beverly and Westbrook on the events. I went for a loose ball.

What you think happened? What happened to that way? I don't know. Somebody walked to our bench, you know, doing all that cap and stuff. You know, I don't know what that is. You know, I walk to our bench, you know, doing this and all that, you know, I don't know. Things went kind of haywire from there, of course. Two competitors, no one's going to back down.

Did you see too technical? Continue playing. Yeah, you got little kids. You got to give the little babies. Put him asleep. You got little kids on you. That's what happens. Little guards, you're going to rock up.

Anytime I got small guards or any time the point guards guard in position, then I'm going to punish him. Patrick Beverly is a man of principal values. If he says he was just hustling, I totally believe him. Well, you remember the stems back to the 2013 playoffs. when Patrick Beverly dove at his knee and it tore Westbrook's meniscus and he had to have surgery the next day. So this beef is ongoing for a very long time. Yeah.

This is nonsense. Patrick Beverly is one of the guys that gives you great effort every night. He does, but you got to be careful when you're diving to people's knees. You have knees too. Got to remember that. Westbrook finished with 32 points, eight assists and three steals in the Thunder's 128, 110 victory. They're two and four now. They're too and four now.

dubious. All right. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Co-hosts, first things first. My buddy, you know, I used to.

Wide receivers used to drive me crazy. But I always say, I can't be a hypocrite. You've got to evolve. You've got to adapt. And the rule changes in the last six months. Wide receivers now have more value. Golden Tate to Philadelphia does change things. And with that, be the Coward Global Satellite Network.

My buddy, Nick Wright. Okay. I used to bang on wide receivers. I called him icing on the cake, but I got to be honest with you. I'm also a guy that says constantly, life changes, change with it or get left behind. I think Golden Tate to Philadelphia, it matters.

I mean, I acknowledge today. I have to start liking wide receivers. React, please. Well, the game has changed, right? Like, Troy Vincent, who works in the league office of higher up, he sends Chris and I every Monday, like the latest records that have been broken. They all have to do with points scoring and passing.

You were talking during Hirdline news about how bad Eli Manning's been this year, right? And to the eye test, he's been terrible. Yet he's having statistically the best season of his career. Why? Because all of the numbers are funny right now. It's some type of football inflation going on based on the ability of teams to throw the ball downfield.

So if you can add talent at the wide receiver position, it's more valuable now than it's ever been. I applaud the Eagles for recognizing that their season isn't over. They have had a bad first half of the season. They are still the defending champs, though, and they shouldn't be 21st in the league in scoring. Let's try to add the single best run-after-catch receiver in football, and that's what they did.

He's not one of the best 10 best overall receivers in football, but he has a very specific skill set that he's great at. It's something they need. They're a bottom six run-after catch team right now, so I love the move for Philly. Yeah, and I did like Amari Cooper for the Cowboys. That was the same reason. I said they have everything else. They got the linebackers, the pass rush, the running back, the left tackle. Let's get some speed on the outside.

So the Packers this morning at practice, I would say this, Nick. The Green Bay Packers this morning at practice are less town. They're a less talented football team. I won't get their division. I already thought going in there were less talented than the Vikings and the Bears. This feels like Ty Montgomery ticked off Aaron, get out the door, and nobody's going to say that publicly. But Mike McCarthy, I think, is about eight games from ticking off Aaron Rogers and being out the door. They already demoted Ted Thompson.

I think there's a weird, unhealthy relationship. Small town and Aaron Rogers, I felt it was Shaq in Orlando. I sometimes feel it with OKC. Westbrook. What did you make of the Montgomery Ha-a-Clinton Dick's moves? All right, listen, I don't care about the Thai Montgomery move. Time Montgomery is not an important player in this league. He found a way to make an imprint on a game in a super negative way. If that soured the locker room on him, fine. The reason I know he's not a super valuable player is here's what they got from him.

Approximately the 240th pick in a draft the year after next. The smallest compensation you can get. The Ha-ha Clinton Dix move is perplexing. And for me, a football fan, not a Packer fan, but a football fan, it's infuriating. The Packers have spent first-round picks on defensive players each of the last six years. He's the only one to have made a Pro Bowl. Pro Football Focus says he's the second best active safety in the league right now, second two, DJ Sweringer, who he's now going to be a teammate with. You trade him for what's going to be the 110th pick of the draft? You're not, the team leading your division has Mitch Trebisky a quarterback. By definition, they can't run away with it. The Vikings have been good in spots this year,

but not overwhelming. You've got Aaron Rogers. You don't, think about the teams that either right now are great or have a superstar agent quarterback. The Saints, they add Eli Apple, The Pats, they add Josh Gordon. The Rams, they added Dante Fowler. The Chiefs tried to add Earl Thomas. The Packers, no, we'll be sellers at the deadline. The hell you're doing, cheeseheads? Come on.

It's awful. You know, I was talking about this, and it's right in your alley because you used to live in Houston, that great dynasties, Sabin's making people crazy in the South, Brady's made the bills and the dolphins nuts. They're nutty franchises. They used to be gold standard. And Darry, who I love, got real close to beaten Golden State and then added the last thing they need.

A moody, poor defensive, aging star, unwilling to hit threes. The rockets are off to a terrible start. Can I make the argument? It's that whole crazy thing. You almost beat a dynasty and then you reach in the off-season. You know, it's funny. I think you can make the argument, but I think you're making it with the wrong piece of evidence. I don't think the argument that Golden State is making guys go crazy is Houston signing Mellow.

I think it might be the trade that they haven't been able to pull off for Jimmy Butler. Darry has always valued flexibility, assets, and he offered up the most first-round picks you're allowed by NBA law to offer up for what could have been a one-year rental of Jimmy Butler. That would have been, I think, an example, even though it would have made the Rockets far better this year, an example of a team going crazy. But it's got to feel maddening in Houston. They were for two weeks better than the greatest team ever, the Golden State Warriors. They then have their second best player get hurt, the greatest three-point shooting team in the history of basketball last year's Rockets.

then miss 27 consecutive threes at home, and you're going home, their champions, and then they add boogie cousins. But for them to be one in five, Colin, with look at those last four losses, or look at the first loss in the last three, all at home, four home blowout losses. They only had one home blowout loss all of last year. They only lost seven times in total all of last year. They're one in five.

last year, do you know when they lost their fifth game? Game 30. They started 25 and 4. I'd be upset and panic too. And one other thing on the Rockets, Darrell knows what this feels like. Four years ago, they won 56 games, made the conference finals,

and the Warriors beat them. And the next year, the mountains seemed too damn big, and they limped to a 41-win season in the 8-seed. I'm sure our mutual pal, Darry, is nervous about that, even though he hasn't told me that he is. If I were him, I'd be nervous about it. Finally, yesterday, one of the things I've always loved about the NBA, the season ends, and I get a month of free agency, and it's as good as the regular season to me.

In fact, I like the playoffs first, that, then the regular season. Yesterday the trading deadline, I've got to be honest with you, Nick. It felt NBA-ish. I loved it, did you? This is the one thing the NFL has never done as well as the NBA or even Major League Baseball, the transaction. Free agencies muted in the NFL because of that ridiculous un-American franchise tag that is just an absolute black mark on the league as a whole, but that's another story. And because of the convoluted nature, oddly enough, of pro-rated signing bonuses, trades have never been huge. in the NFL because you have to deal with the cap ramifications in ways you don't in baseball and

basketball. Over the last few years, what teams have realized is our GMs have way overvalued the 170th player in an upcoming draft. Every GM forever had thought, well, I can't trade away a fifth round pick. I'm a genius. Obviously, I'm going to find Richard Sherman. I can't trade around a fourth round pick. I'm a genius. I'm going to find Russell Wilson. No, you're not. You're not a genius. You're not going to find that guy. Trade for tangible assets you can touch. I loved it.

I thought this was the most active and important trade deadline in the NFL in my lifetime. I want to see more like it. I think it's a step in the right direction. Yeah, by the way, the Redskins, the Cowboys, and the Eagles, I can make an argument, were the three teams that improved the most, all in the same intense Northeast Division, a well-funded big media markets. So I thought the NFC East had a great day. And to your point, the Packers did not.

Nick Wright, great talking to you, bud. Absolutely, good talking to you. Good to see you, Joey. Talk to you guys later. All right. Yes, look at Joy today in all her splendor is dressed up as Morticia. Millennial Morticia. Millennial Morticia had like the very, very long hair.

Petty Morticia. Petty Morticia. I like that. Upgrade. Coming up next. There's two new rules in the NFL. saw it yesterday. There are two new rules in the NFL, not literally rules, but new rules like you better pay attention teams because this is what the good guys are doing. That's next.

In LA, it's the herd. Dollar Shave Club, write products to look, feel, smell your best, bring them to your door. Don't run out. They got the handsome discount. More you buy, more you save, dollar shaveclub.com slash Colin, C-O-L-I-N. Bucky Brooks, Joel Clat, Karan Butler, college football had their big announcement last night. I'll get to that later. You know, it is weird to watch the Rams, you know, keep spending money. Dante Fowler, who's been sort of an underachieving pass rusher for Jacksonville. Decent player, underachiever, but he is a pass rusher.

It's the Rams' biggest weakness. They don't have an edge rusher. And they gave up draft picks, and people kind of overreacting to it. My takeaway is, so what? They got a first round pick next year. They got a fourth round pick next year. The following year, they got a first to second, a third, and a fourth. How many draft picks can make this Rams roster anyway?

I mean, seriously, how many guys in college right now could make the Rams roster? Certainly as starters? Why not give it? I mean, I would give up everything about my first, second, and thirds. There are no fourth rounders making this roster. There's a new rule in the NFL, and by the Rams doing this move, and by the Cowboys getting Amari Cooper, and by the Eagles getting Golden Tate

and by the Texans getting Demarius Thomas, are you noticing what's happening in the NFL? If you have a quarterback on a rookie deal, Goff, Wentz, Dak, Deshawn, Mahomes, go for it. That's what all the winning teams are doing. Now, if you have, who didn't make a move yesterday? Saints, New England,

they got old expensive quarterbacks. Pittsburgh, Colts, Atlanta, Detroit, Minnesota. They have expensive quarterbacks. So what do you do if you're a team that you can't afford to do that? To me, I don't tell you what I believe to be true. I never understood the hand-wringing with Amari Cooper to the Cowboys. Who cares? They need a receiver.

He's better than any of the college guys. Why the hand-wringing? Yesterday on the internet, you know, when all these receivers got traded, people were freaking out making fun of the Cowboys, a first round pick for Amari Cooper. If he comes in and can win you a game to get you to the playoffs, who cares? When you have, there's two rules in the NFL. If you have a young quarterback on a rookie deal, go for it. Be aggressive. If you have an old expensive quarterback, my belief is the rules change.

you can't be too aggressive. What you can do, though, to ensure continued success, you can't overdraft the offensive line. Indianapolis got heat for getting an offensive lineman, an extra one in the draft. Andrew Luck hasn't been sacked in a month. Tom Brady, New England drafted offensive linemen. I mean, Philadelphia, they've made sure we've got to get this offensive line.

You know, go look at the teams in the NFL. Young quarterback, be aggressive. Give up picks for players. Old quarterback can't afford to do that. Can't have a good enough offensive line. You can't spend enough in Indianapolis on your old line. You can't spend enough in New England to protect Brady or enough in New Orleans or enough in Pittsburgh. Because with the new rules in the NFL, these old quarterbacks, they figure this game out.

These veteran Philip Rivers, best year of his career, Tom Brady, crushing it. Big Ben, crushing it. I mean, go look at all these veteran quarterbacks now. They're even Eli's numbers. So, I mean, I like what the Cowboys did, the hand-wringing.

Jerry Jones talked about it. I don't get the hand-wringing on Amari Cooper. Here's what Jerry Jones said about it. I'm more urgent. We're more urgent because we've dug a hole here. And in order to really be where we want to be in the playoffs, then we've got to be pretty strong in our success here.

And we don't have time here. We don't have the room to wiggle here. We just want to now get ourselves in a position so that that can execute in a game-winning way. And that's it, pure and simple. Let me shift to this. One hour from now, Joel Klapp, the voice of college football at this network,

will throw a fit. He will go crazy. he will be upset with what the committee did last week with their first playoff seating. What did I notice the college football committee did? And what did I notice about the poll? The best undefeated team, Alabama, was ranked number one, SEC. The best one-loss team, LSU, 7-1, and SEC team. The best two-loss team, highest rank, was Florida, 6-2,

SEC team. The best three-lossed team with Mississippi State. They were ranked 18. SEC. The best undefeated team, the best one-lost team, the best two-loss team, the best three-loss team were all SEC teams. The committee clearly favored the SEC, and they should. Not just because of the last 15 years. Watch the games. Auburn against Georgia looks different than Utah against Washington. LSU against Alabama is going to look different than the Arena League called the Big 12, Texas Tech against TCU. Alabama LSU, Georgia, Florida, Auburn LSU, Georgia LSU looks different than Miami, BC this past weekend. Listen, the SEC is better.

It's the way it is. I don't necessarily think it's great for college football. I don't think it's great if you want to be a national sport to be completely lobsided in one region of the country. But the committee told you their highest rank unbeaten team, their highest rank one loss team, their highest ranked two loss team, and their highest ranked three loss team,

we're all SEC teams. Again, I think it's really important for a team west of Denver like USC to be good, but they're not. And with the Rams emergence in Los Angeles, college football is dead in L.A. I live here. It's dead. Nobody talks about it. LeBron Lakers, Rams, Chargers, Dodgers. Nobody talks about it. I think what's good for college football is Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC.

But the committee told you the truth. The best conference, once again, is that one down south. Turn the games on on Saturday. LSU Bama will look different than everything else. This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here on FS1, Joy Taylor is joining me, Mortisha Halloween tonight. I am taking my son all over Manhattan Beach. Is he a big candy kid? For me, not him, what? Thank you for glaring that up.

Is he a big candy kid? He loves candy, and I don't let him have much. He has to pretty much give it all back. He'll sell it to his dentist or something like that. You know, it's one of those things. But it's the scene where I live. There's all this density. So houses are right on top of each other.

And so, you know, you just walk from house to house. It's a crazy scene. And so I can't wait. I'm really excited for it. What I'm about to say is obvious. What I'm about to say, everybody knows. But you don't want to live it, but it's actually good for you. Failure is a great thing.

Failure creates resilience. And, you know, I mean, I can speak for myself, but I don't want to do too much self-analysis. But I think one of the reasons Brady continues to be the greatest quarterback ever is because nobody ever falls in love with him. Belichick wanted to move off from him. Everybody calls him a system quarterback. Go online any day of the week. System quarterback. It's no Montana, not as good as Aaron Rogers.

He reads that stuff. That's what makes Brady. Why does Brady get up and work this hard? Because he still has doubters. Remember a few years ago they did a story on him about being drafted in the sixth round? He had four Super Bowl rings. He cried about it. I tell my wife this all the time.

It never goes away. It doesn't matter how successful I can be, how much money I've ever made. I'm still a kid, a child of divorce. I'm a child of divorce. And that's how when I wake up in the morning, I'm going to get fired tomorrow. And that's why I don't need to work as hard. Why? If you look at successful people, they've all had massive failure. And I used to think Aaron Rogers, I think he's been two quarterbacks in his life.

I think there was the I'm going to prove you wrong, prove you wrong, prove you wrong, chip on the shoulder, Aaron Rogers. And then he won a Super Bowl and he's like entitled Aloof Aaron Rogers. And so this week, Rogers goes to Foxborough to face Tom Brady. There's no quotes about Rogers talking about Brady. But even Tom Brady, oh my God, Aaron Rogers. Just what he's done is a quote, how he, you know, managed himself in the pocket. I mean, unlike anyone in the, probably history of the league, it's pretty awesome to watch. The greatest quarterback ever, eight Super Bowl trips, five rings.

Awesome. He later said his incompletions are fascinating. Nobody ever says that about Brady. You ever noticed that? No, Tom Brady did not get the Whitney Houston, the Tiger Woods, the Mike Tyson, you know,

the Cindy Crawford jaw-dropping DNA. He was told he was not going to make it. And by the way, Aaron Rogers was told that up until he won a Super Bowl. Before Aaron Rogers won a Super Bowl, he had to go to a junior college before cow he fell in the draft he was in the shadow of farve he had no playoff wins did not have a big contract that erin rogers though cocky was driven intense hungry on a mission and not entirely public since he won the super bowl it's 24-7 worship

No threat in the organization. Television endorsements. Date celebrities. Massive contract. Five and six in the playoffs and multiple people calling him out. When you get the jaw dropping DNA, Aaron always had it. But before the Super Bowl, he had to prove the Pact 12 wrong.

He had to prove the people who, passed on him in the draft wrong. He wanted to prove to the Green Bay teammate he was better than Farr. He wanted to prove to the NFL that you needed him. Prove, prove, prove, prove, prove chip on the shoulder. Then he won the Super Bowl and he became a celebrity. And now it's endorsements. Now it's money.

Now it's nobody can threaten him in the organization. He can call him out online. He can call him out anywhere. 24-7 worship. The reality for Aaron Rogers is, here's the truth today. He's 35 in December. He's not 100% healthy. He's not going to take a pay cut to help the roster.

He's got the third best roster in his division. And they just let go of one of the top two safeties in the NFL. Sorry, that's his reality. Brady's reality is he's got the deepest running back group he's ever had. He's got the second best tied in in the NFL. NFL. His organization is willing to pay big money for Stefan Gilmore at Corner and McCordy at safety, a weaker division, and Brady's 100% healthy. The worship should go to Tom today. But once again, the worship goes to Aaron Rogers. It feels like there's been two of them. He was

was cocky, but there was the chip on the shoulder, Aaron. I'm going to prove the Pac-12 wrong. I'm going to prove the NFL wrong. I'm going to prove the Packers that I'm better than FAR. I'm going to prove to the media critics. I'm the greatest of all time. Prove, prove, prove, prove, prove, prove. Now I feel like I get a little more worship, call people out.

Nobody can touch him. Media slobbers over him. That's not the reality of him today. We got a game Sunday. Maybe Green Bay wins. But the reality is Brady's more coachable, takes pay cuts, has a better team. Once again at home, we'll win his division, we'll have a buy and be favored in every playoff game unless they play the Chiefs in Kansas City.

That's the reality. That's the reality. You can keep worshipping. You can keep telling me his incompletions are amazing. But when you get that constant worship, it changes people. It amplifies what you are. If you're kind of cocky, you become real cocky. If you have a little ego, it becomes a big ego.

If you're nice, you become super nice. If you're coachable, you become really coachable. Money and fame just amplify what you are. Today, the worship should be for Tom Brady, doing something that's absurd. Football dynasties don't last 18 years. It's not the way it works in the NFL. NBA dynasties are built to last. players don't get hurt every 15 minutes.

In the NFL, you win your division, you have a tougher schedule. Doesn't work that way in the NBA. NBA stars don't get hurt constantly in miss years. Don't retire at 26. What New England's doing is unbelievable, unexplainable, inexplicable. I can't explain it. But once again, Rogers Brady are playing, and the media, oh, every, oh, what reason? the articles next week. Read them in the next five days. I want to hear Tom Brady again. Lather

praise on Aaron Ryan. I want to hear it again. Brady psychologically, just gassing him up. By the way, you do realize who's a touchdown favorite in this game. I just want to remind everybody who the touchdown favorite is, it's New England. Go ahead, Tom. Just what he's done as a quarterback is inspiring because I think he's so phenomenal with how he, you know, managed himself in the pocket. I mean, his ability to throw the football is, you know, like anyone in the probably history of the league. It's pretty awesome to watch. It is.

Pretty awesome to watch them. Lose 34 to 23 to New England on... Is that Sunday night football? Sunday night football. I'll be fun to watch. I will say this. Yesterday was really fun in the NFL, the trading deadline.

We've always thought of baseball is very sophisticated, very smart. Football is just those dumb old football guys. Football is so smart. They move the draft, they move the trading deadline, they move free agency, home run, home run, home run.

Move the PAT, change the catch rule, change the quarterback hit rule, home run, home run, home run. Baseball numbers, baseball interest. I mean, yesterday, we had all sorts of moves. The playoff team, look at the moves we've had this year. Kaleel Mack, Amari Cooper,

Josh Gordon, Eli Apple, Dante Fowler, Golden Tate, DeMarius Thomas. These are good players. Moving to good teams. This is what's all about. Baseball used to own this, but when you're old and rigid and won't evolve and won't adapt, that's what happens to

your sport. When you're willing to con, even as a number one sport in America, the NFL is so smartly run. I mean, they got the anthem thing they struggle with for a year, but they figured it out. But I mean, this trading deadline stuff was so much fun over the

last four or five days. The only reservation I had, my only surprise was I thought the Colts would make a move. I thought the Jets would make a move. That was it. I loved it. I thought it was just a great, great, great day. Joel Klatt's going to freak out. Alabama's number one, LSU's top four, and I think he's got to come to terms with it. Right now, the best team and the best conferences are all in the South, and I'm sorry if it offends everybody. I don't think it's necessarily great for the sport, but Joel Klatt's going to scream and yell and throw stuff around the corner. Plus buy a seller hold in Los Angeles. Stick around. It's the herd. John Gruden, by the way, sitting down with Howie Long. Sitting down with Howie Long, by the way, on the Sunday NFL show.

Howie Long, John Gruden, sit down. Big interview. Very excited for that. All right, he's going to be all worked up. He's going to be freaking out because the committee came out last night with their first rankings, and it was all sorts of SEC love. Let's bring him in the... the voice of college football. Joel Clat, bring him on, folks. He's all worked up. What's wrong? You're not my earpiece here. Okay. What did they get right? What did the committee get right? I think for the most part, they got probably the first six correct, kind of. I mean, give or take a spot or two. Okay. But from that point on, it was just like, come on.

I mean, I've got the data to the bag. This is not just an opinion. This is data-driven analysis. Okay. I'm not into- Capital J. You know this show. not interested in opinions. We only like research and... You ready for research? Okay. So they got the Alabama thing right. Can you admit that?

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, what did they get wrong? Well, the ACC as a whole was vastly overrated by this committee. And when I say vastly, I don't mean by a couple of spots here and there. I mean like fraudulently overrated. Okay, you ready? Fraudulately is like bringing the Senate. Let's slow down on fraudulately.

Are you ready? Okay. Are we ready? every Power 5 league was essentially within the margin of error when you compare it to the FBI or the Sagan ratings. Okay. The teams were basically within two or three spots of where those computer models, which have thousands of variations and inputs, would have the teams. Except for one. What?

The ACC. Did you know that the ACC, if you just take Clemson, you say they're the number two team in the country, that's fine. But then you take the four teams that were ranked from 19 to 25. So you've got the North Carolina States and Boston College and Virginia and Syracuse. You take those four. On average, not total, Colin, on average, those four teams were ranked 16 and three-quarter spots higher than the FBI and 16 spots on average higher than the Sagrin ratings. But why would you do that?

Why would you even want to do that? Because I think they're holding a very particular conference down. There was only one conference that was negative on that. The Big Ten. The Big Ten got hosed, namely Michigan. Michigan got their resume pulled right from under their feet. I mean, right from under their feet. And you know what? I don't think people see it yet. Think about it, though. These four teams that were included by the committee out of the ACC, and I think it's because Frank Beamer is on the committee. Oh, come on. It's always a former coach that's going to have the loudest and most influential voice. We saw it a few years ago with Barry Alvarez when the Big Ten was a little overrated in the committee rankings versus. some of the other rating systems. Now, the ACC, I'm talking, 16 spots on average, Colin, on average. By the way, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Northwestern, all left out of the ratings. Can't throw a ball from me to joy. And Syracuse can? Wisconsin, Virginia,

BYU. Listen, all four of those teams that I just mentioned out of the Big Ten, all four of them are rated higher in those two computer models than any of those ACC teams. By the way, this ACC deal is a bad look. It's a bad look. Computers make a lot of mistakes. Ask the Dodgers. How that analytics go? Okay. I don't buy computer. I watch the games. I'd rather have 10,000 variables and inputs rather than 13 with one very influential rogue vote, voting for one particular conference. So on average, the power of the Power 5 leagues, there's only one league, one league, that on average, the teams that are ranked are lower than those computers. That's the Big Ten. On average, there are three and a quarter spots lower.

So the committee thinks the big ten isn't as good. Yeah, but that's not even considering the teams that they didn't even rank. You're telling you're telling me that you don't think Michigan State, oh, they're garbage. Wisconsin could beat Syracuse or Virginia? I don't know. You didn't see Purdue Boston College? I saw Syracuse give Clemson fits.

I've seen Syracuse beat Clemson two times. Wisconsin, I watched them. if I gave their quarterback a football said hit the camera. He'd sail it over that skeleton's head. You would take Syracuse over Michigan State. I think Syracuse is underrated. By the way, USC may hire a new coach. Get the Syracuse guy.

He's great. Syracuse is underrated. They are not underrated. They're vastly overrated. How come they give... On average 16 and 3 quarters spots? How come they give Clemson a nightmare every year? Nobody plays Clemson like Syracuse.

I watch Wisconsin. First of all, Clemson's schedule is not. not great. Second of all, this is a team that right now is playing some of the best football in the country, but they always struggle with the same teams. That's because that's what league play is all about. I just watch Purdue run through Ohio State, like a hot knife through butter. Boston College, who's ranked fraudulently by this committee. We have the big 10 at this network. I should suck up to them. Ohio State's broken as a program. That's fine. They're a one loss team. You can't argue with the data. You are arguing against facts. And facts don't care about it.

your feelings. Well, I'll tell you, when I look at this thing right here, Alabama, Clemson, LSU, Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia, Oklahoma, that's your top seven. I don't think anybody's getting hosed there. That's what I just said. Michigan looks pretty good. Do you want to play back the tape? I came off in the, and what did I say? The first six or seven teams, yeah, they got those right. I think Michigan is having their resume pulled out from under their feet. They're their fifth. Yeah, it doesn't matter where they're at right now. It matters what happens at the end of the season. And if their resume keeps getting folded on each other by this committee and the

ACC's propped up, guess what? A one-lost Michigan might not make it in. Oh, if Michigan runs the table, they're not getting in. Of course they are. Not if their resume keeps getting thrown out of whack like. You don't think that that's fraudulent, 16 and three-quarter spots on average. I didn't say total. Again, you're going.

I said on average. You're bringing out the slide ruler. All I'm telling you, I'm telling you right now, Michigan. at five, that feels fair to me. If my son goes trick or treating tonight and they give out four prizes for best costume and he gets fifth, we're not crying when we get home. Why do you keep arguing about the top? I told you the top seven are fine. All I'm saying is watch out for this committee because right now they're taking a you know what on the resume for the Michigan Wolverines. Those four, those four, what's their biggest win? What's their biggest win? Michigan? Yeah. Wisconsin and Michigan State.

all of a sudden aren't ranked, even though that every computer model and every person that I talk to would absolutely say they would beat your darling Syracuse team, and in particular Virginia. Every year I watch Syracuse play one game, Clemson. They go toe to toe with them every year.

So you just admit, you watch Syracuse play one time and you want them ranked off based on that one? Hey, Cindy Crawford walks by me once a year. I can tell she's beautiful. So why isn't Texas A&M ranked the head of Virginia? Well, I saw them one time, Colin. I saw them one time. You got a book.

All right. How about this one? Let's shift gears to this. You better shift gears. Lincoln Riley to the Cleveland Browns. Oh, that's interesting, right? Okay. Listen, that would be my first call.

Why wouldn't it be your first call if you're Cleveland? But why would I want to go if I'm Lincoln Riley? I don't disagree with that at all. I can win 10 games. I think you can probably make more money and have more longevity in college football if you're Lincoln Riley than you can in the NFL. By far? He's making, what, four and three-quarter million right now.

That's going to go up over the course of his contract. If he stays there for 10 or 15 years, you can make an argument that he's going to make anywhere between, shoot, call it $55 and $75 million, probably north of that. And the way that he's recruiting, the way that he coaches, that program in particular, there's no reason to think that he couldn't be there for 10 or 15 years. Now, here would be the argument for why you would go if you're Lincoln Riley. And Oklahoma fans are screaming at their, whatever, in their cars or watching right now on FS1.

It won't hurt him. You can go and fail and still get a blue chip job. Nick Saban did it. Chip Kelly did it. So it doesn't matter if he has success at the NFL level at all. So he can go, scratch that itch. If it doesn't work out, one, two years, guess what he gets to do? Yeah, but come right back to a blue chip job.

Now, I'm not saying that you would want to, but that's an argument on that side of the table. But when I hear Lincoln Riley talk, he sounds like Oklahoma. Sure. He feels like Oklahoma. I don't want, I think Lincoln Riley's. Yeah, I think he's a, he's got a perfect way. Everybody's trying to get happier than happy. Who would you want with Cleveland?

Mike McCarthy. Aaron Rogers and him, let's just be honest about it. Look at the body language. It's terrible. You ever got to a party with your wife and you see a couple and you can see their body language is bad and they get a divorce like an hour later? That's McCarthy and Rogers. I can look at their body language and I'm like, they don't like each other.

I can tell. That's a divorce. That's sound marriage advice. From the other side of the room, just watch the couple at a Halloween party. You can tell when you go to a party. Joy, have you ever. gone to a party and you can tell they're not they're not touching they're not close there's a there's a you know you can tell more when it's at a kid's birthday because their guard is saying you know you go

doing like an adult party and everyone their their guard is up you know it's trying to put put together that facade kids birthday gloves are off you can see fights all over the place great terrible it's great stuff all right so you're pro michigan i think michigan has been fairly treated and i think that's good that's that's our position today you think some you think somebody's You're making this into something that it's not. I told you the top seven were properly ranked. All I'm saying is watch out if you're a Michigan fan because the resume is being pulled out from under your feet. Yeah, Wisconsin.

The data backs that up. Yeah, Wisconsin. Try beating BYU at home. Michigan State get a quarterback that can throw a football eight feet. I don't disagree with that. By the way, the ACC is a conference. As a conference, they're three and nine against other Power Five leagues and Notre Dame. That's the worst of any conference in college football.

Yeah, that's because Notre Dame is good and they often play SEC. So now you're just giving a pass. No, I'm saying the ACC's record out of conference isn't good because, you know, Notre Dame they play. So why in the world would they just get like fraudulently thrown in the back end of the rankings? The PAC 12. I don't disagree with that. If UCLA played in my backyard and close the blinds. You need to tell me why Syracuse, Boston College, North Carolina State, and Virginia should be ranked.

You can't come up with an argument. I saw Syracuse one time. You don't need to see stuff a bunch of times to know what's good. Yes, you do. How long did it take to fall in love with your wife? Not very long. This idea that you've got to go on 70 dates to know what's good. You know you fell in love in 10 minutes.

You're incorrigible. My wife is like Alabama. It's just like, boom, number one. There you go. How many times do I have to see a 25th rank team all season? Joy Taylor with a news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the Herd Line News. Oh, that old college football to the dating comparison. It always works. Always works. The 100 out of 100. Yeah, it's flawless. Definitely not flawless. Good clothes by you in the Alabama line.

That was a strong close. That was your best argument of the day, by the long. So Eagles GM, Howie Roseman, continued his wheeling and dealing ways yesterday. Roseman had a very clear message after yesterday's trade of a third round pick for receiver Golden Tate. that winning today is all that matters. Fans, to our players, to our coaches, to everyone in this organization is our foot's always going to be on the gas. We're always trying to win.

We're always going to try to put our best foot forward. And what we can do now is try to do that for this season and this moment. And that's what we're going to do, and that's our responsibility. That's their brand now. This is a good play by that. This is what Philadelphia's brand is. They go for it on fourth more than everybody. They do more trick plays than everybody.

They won the Super Bowl of the trick play against New England. And they're aggressive. Michael Bennett was an aggressive move. Golden Tate's an aggressive move. This is what the Philadelphia Eagles brand. You know what they are? They're the opposite of the Packers. Yes.

They're like aggressive, a little almost uncomfortably aggressive and the Packers are uncomfortably passive. Well, I mean, to me, what do you always say? Aggressive wins, right? It's sports today, aggressive's winning. And to me, I feel like you have a very small window, and that's basically what he's saying. You want to win today.

There's a certain amount of playing that you have to do to sustain success. But there's also a small window in which you have the team assembled in the proper way. You have the quarterback. You have the ability to make moves in the salary caps to put together a team

to win right now. All you have is right now. I'm excited for Philadelphia. I really was. That move happened in the middle of our show yesterday and I drove home and I'm like, and then I saw the Redskins pick up Ha Ha, ha, Clinton Dicks, who I don't think,

you know, he's a really good player. But it was like the NFC East went all in and it was like, yes, these northeast aggressive cities. Philadelphia is an aggressive city. Boston's aggressive city. New York's an aggressive city. I was surprised that Jets didn't make a move because New York is, if I say Philly, have you ever listened to Sports Radio in Philly? It's aggressive. The Boston's aggressive. It's just an aggressive part of the country. Yes. I would say. I liked it. Stay with it. So there's been a lot of hoopla over Jason Garrett being seen on TV in the front row of last Friday

night's World Series game. It was so weird. It was so weird. I thought Jason Garrett's face was so odd. It was so weird. You weren't weirded out by it? I mean, he's watching some baseball. So he took from former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson, and Jerry Jones went on the record in support of Garrett. I'm not associated with anybody that works in the order than Jason Garrett.

I can assure you that he did have his mind on our team. We spent parts of the weekend, good parts of the weekend, in conversation Saturday and Sunday regarding this team I know where Jason Gary's mind is and I know where his work ethic is

and a little bit of respite now and then as far as a by week is not an issue Yeah let's stop knocking this is so stupid can we stop with this whole thing every time somebody goes on a weekend like that was different with OBJ

you're on a boat with a blunt and it's like dude that didn't The optics were bad. I don't remember there being a blunt there. There was a blunt on the boat. I do remember there being Timberlands on the boat,

which was far more gorgeous. John, can you confirm there was a blunt on the boat? It's very hot in Miami. I mean, I can't, I wasn't there. It looked like a blunt. There was one in the picture. Who is the blunt? Well, get in closer.

I don't know. Anyway, the point is somebody's got a blunt there. Here's the thing. We all know that people take vacations and they take some rest during their bi-week, as they should.

Because it's a buy week. That's what you're supposed to do. Unfortunately, when you are losing, everything is amplified. So it's like, oh, wow, how could you take any time off from sitting in front of your computer watching film on your bi-week, you robot thing? Like, you're a person. You need to get away from everything and take your mind off something for a few minutes and enjoy your life.

Everything is balanced. It's just that when you're losing, people are going to pile on. So maybe, you know, the rest that you take should not be, you know. He just had a weird look on his face. That was my problem. Not attending it in the front row. He had just, he had this, the whole game, he had this kind of interesting smile. But I, do we find a blunt on the boat? We're searching for a blunt on the boat. I swear there was.

I don't know if we can confirm that. Finally, according to Shams Sharania, Jimmy Butler is taking the next step in the process aimed at getting out of Minnesota by choosing to sit tonight's game against the jazz. The decision was reportedly made this morning and it could leave to an extended absence. So sham sweeted that this is the next step in a six-week-long process aimed at getting the all-star

out of Minnesota by sitting tonight. It could be extended. He also said that sources tell him and John Krasinski that the Timberwolves termed it general soreness in a precautionary test, but Butler informed Thibodeau of this decision. So through six

games, Butler's average 22.5 points. He needs a day off already? Oh no, no, this isn't a day off. This is a I'm sitting until I'm traded. Oh, God. Jesus. You know what? A lot of high-maintenance stuff in the NBA in the last year. This is high maintenance to me.

I understand. I get like a running back in the NFL. I can defend Lavian Bell and say, the guy's amazing. Why get beat up? I can defend that to a certain level. NBA guys, go out and shoot some hoops. Come on. I mean, I don't think it has anything

to do with preserving his body. I thought he cared about winning. That's how I heard about winning. This is him just forcing his way out of Minnesota. All right. Come on. If you want to win, play. Well, I mean,

Roos should tweet that Houston had apparently offered four first-round picks for I'm getting a lot of mixed messages. My message is from Jimmy Butler. All I care about is winning. I'm going to take Wednesday night off. I want to play for Brooklyn. Like, what do you want? Do you want to win, then play?

I mean, you can't tell me winning matters and you're taking a Wednesday night off in the third week of the season. I don't know. There's a lot going on, I think, internally with this situation that we, we don't know about, but apparently this is about to be an ongoing thing. All right. By the way, Rockets 1 in 5, and Jimmy wants out.

Maybe the deal's closer than we think. Yeah. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Live News. I still haven't recovered from Joel Clat and I getting near Fisticoffs. I was going to do Bicell or hole, but we don't have time.

And I got Bucky Brooks, former NFL or scout. He's next. Let's take a break. It's the Herd. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Saturday, the 10th ranked Buckeyes look to get back in business against Nebraska at 1130 Eastern. Then Big 12 contenders, West Virginia and Texas, clash at 3.30 Eastern. That's coming your way. Saturday on Fox or watch anywhere on the Fox Sports app.

By the way, a lot of people are sending me stuff all over the internet. We found the blunt on the boat, far left. Trace Songs has a blunt. By the way, I'm not anti-blunt. I'm not even anti-blunt on a boat. I just wanted to make sure when I talked about the blunt on the boat. Yeah, we needed to make sure that there was, in fact, a blunt on the boat. I needed blunt confirmation.

You got it. And let's be blunt about it. We found, I got a buddy that sent that. Hold on. There we go right there. There's the blunt. More importantly, I just, I wonder about the, it's concerning the timberlands on the yacht. Do you know how hot and sticky it is in Miami?

I know. It is. Those are not boat shoes. All right, let's bring him on. He played in the NFL. He's a scout in the NFL, and he always calls it like he sees it. Bucky Brooks, NFL network analyst, move the sticks podcast with Daniel Jeremiah, who's very smart, too. All right, so, all right, I heard you want to just, you want to give me crap.

Go ahead. Oh, man, I hear you talking about these wide receivers, and for so long, you were not about wide receivers being big contributors to Super Bowl winning teams. I see it best. You call them the icing on the cake. at best icing. Yeah, but now you come over. I hear you just ran and raving about

and just lauding all of these moves. Amari Cooper, Golden Tate, Demarius Thomas. You're so excited to see pass catches go new plot. But I'm an adapter, and I'm one of these guys, one of the things that ticks me off is people to get rigid,

and the bottom line is, I said this before the year. Fantasy football, it's going to be a year of points. I look at Golden Tate to Philly. He is like a better Thai Montgomery. He can be a running back. Basically, he's a bubble screen.

Let him go. That's what they're missing. Well, what they are able to do now with he and Nelson Aguilar, they can do a lot of similar things. Nelson Aguilar, people have to realize Nelson Aguiloh was a tell back in high school. So a lot of times when you see him kind of run the fly sweeps and the jet, the bubble screens and some of the creative stuff that they do, they're taking advantage of his strengths as a player.

Well, Golden Tate is a similar background. Same story. Former running back was a punt return at Notre Dame. So you want to put the ball. in those guys' hands in space and allow them to work. And so now with Nelson Aguilar and Golden Tate, they can do all of those at the line of scrimmage, passing game, get the ball to him, and make it easy for it.

I feel differently about Philadelphia this morning. I was on the fence. Well, yeah, they needed to add another weapon now. He doesn't give them the vertical stretch player that they need, but he allows them to play small ball. He allows them to keep Carson Wentz protected because now the ball can come out quicker. They can do the RPO's and the other stuff.

But you will see more screen game, more things to the receivers outside and allow them to work. And I said this this morning. Every year as Thanksgiving approaches, the league distills down to, and I always feel the numbers eight. About eight teams, a quarter of the league, I feel like they can win the Super Bowl. They can win multiple playoff games. And I said, here's the eight teams, here's my bubble. Carolina is just out of it because they can't get that cheap point over the top. I got Patriots, Texans, Chargers, Steelers, Rams, Chiefs, Eagles, and the Saints.

Do you disagree with my Super Bowl bubble? I like the bubble, but I would say you need to put the Panthers in there. And the reason you need to put the Panthers in there, two things that can happen in the players that can allow you to win a game at home and on the road. If you can run the ball and if you can play great defense, the Carolina Panthers can run the football. They can run the football with Christian McCaffrey, also the Cam Newton X-Factor as a runner. We've seen in recent weeks, he's played really, really, really.

really well. I think six straight games with two plus touchdown passes. We have seen North Turner adapt his offense and allow Cam to be Cam. This is the best that he's ever played. This is even better than he's played in his MVP season. When you look at the efficiency and the way that they're playing, I just believe with Cam and the way Cam can take over a game or two in the postseason, they are a team to be feared because their defense is also good enough. I love the NFL trade yesterday. I'll tell you, the only team that surprised me, I thought the Colts would make a move. And my thing is, if you look at the AFC today, Pittsburgh, New England are in. And I do believe that Kansas City and the Chargers are both in.

Right. I think the Texans win their division. There's a wild card spot in the AFC that's open. Now, Bucky, you may think I'm nuts. You go look at Indianapolis's schedule for the – it's a bunch of Bortles and Mariotas. It is a buy coming up. I thought they'd make a move. Was there any team you were surprised didn't make a move?

Well, no, I mean, I can see why the Colts didn't make a move because they have things going in the right direction. Marlon Mack, the running back, has played really well the last two games. He's had over 100 yards in each of those games. Andrew Luck and the short passing game is working. And defensively, they're playing with hustle and grit and determination. They're finding a way to get it done. Also, they picked up Eric Ebron prior to the season. Eric Ebron has been a big factor with them. They have three tied ends that can make plays and they're using all of them to really affect the passing. They actually, the Colts actually, between their offensive line and tight end, the Colts are the most

improved team in the league, O-line and tight-end. They've got real players now. Andrew Luck, I don't I don't think he was sat. I watched the entire Raiders game. He wasn't sacked. I don't think he's been sacked in a month. No, they've been really good. Like, Frank Reich has done a really good job of

they've become a more quick rhythm passing game. The ball is coming out, probably 10 yards or less, not leaving him in these long drops where he can get hit. The ball is coming out and they're running the ball. It is part of their ball control strategy. So yeah, they are a viable contender. team that didn't make a trade that we thought that they would maybe try and figure it out.

I thought the Green Bay Packers got rid of people, but you thought that they would try to add somebody because this team, the way that it's looking, it is going to be all about Aaron Rogers. And if you're going to make it about Aaron Rogers, you need to surround them with as many weapons as they can. I know they got rid of Todd Montgomery, but at some point, they need a running back. Thank you. Thank you.

Like Carlos Hyde was available a week ago, and the Jags got him. Yes. You know, Green Bay could he use Carlos Hyde? They need a running back. That has been the missing piece for a long time. They haven't had it. Literally, like I know they had Eddie Lacey, but when they were at their best, Ryan Grant gave them back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons.

He was a factor where defenses had to account for him. If they ever get a guy who has a presence in the backfield where defenses have to think about, oh, maybe we need to drop another guy in the box to defend the running back, it would make life so much easier on number 12 in the passing out. Okay, so you've always been very tied into the Cleveland Browns. I'm not sure why, but you've got. great sourcing. Whoever it is, whoever your sources are with the Browns,

I didn't love getting rid of two offensive guys, Haley and Hugh. I've defended Hugh before. You know, a little hubris, I get it. But in the end, I like my rookie quarterbacks to have stability and offensive guys. What happened? The worst thing that happened to Cleveland Browns was hard knocks.

Hard knocks let you get a peek behind the curtain as some of this function, or some of the edited dysfunction that we were able to see. And so we were able to make assessments, and we kind of made these evaluations on Hugh Jackson and the coaching staff based on the snapshot that we saw in six episodes. And so when that plays out where it looks like Todd Haley doesn't respect Hugh Jackson on air, then you hear the rumblings,

and you hear Hugh Jackson saying, I need to be more involved. You just get a sense that these guys didn't get along. And obviously, when the owner and John Dorson, they come out and talk about the working relationship didn't work and how it's important that everyone is on the same page, you can tell that there was some dysfunction. But for Baker Mayfield, it puts them in a tough predicament because the next coach that they hire has to be a Baker Mayfield fan and he has to be able to hire people around Baker Mayfield that can elevate Baker Mayfield's game.

And we'll see because he was taking number one and it's always about the quarterback. but is he, Baker Mayfield, the type of guy that can elevate the franchise on his talent Salon? We'll see, but whoever goes in to get the job, they better sell that point because that's going to be the thing that makes them make the hire for that person. Yeah. Let me throw a name out here. I don't want to come off like I'm banging on Aaron Rogers all day.

But you do get to a point where, and I've seen this, OKC's done this with Westbrook. get a superstar in a small market. It's like you're dating somebody like the out of your league. And Ty Montgomery ticked off Aaron out of town. He's taking shots at the organization, passive-aggressively, sometimes on local

radio and TV. Mike McCarthy and Rogers, it just doesn't feel like it's going to and by the way, this is not a criticism of either. One's great, one I know is good. If I'm Cleveland and John Dorsey, Mike McCarthy. Yeah, Mike McCarthy would

make a lot of sense. We make a lot of sense for Cleveland because John Dorsey knows Mike McCarthy. That's right. I've played in Kansas City when Mike McCarthy was a quarterback coach. I think he's outstanding. And I know people bang it for whatever they have an accomplishing Green Bay, but I just know it's hard to win 65% of your

games at any environment. By the way, with a franchise that in 2015 it came out today had the worst draft in the league, and by the way, can't get free agents. So you can talk about Aaron Rogers, but they have been winning 11 games for a decade.

Yes, and so it's hard to find the coach like that. And here's what I'll say, having played three years in Green Bay, I was there part of 95, 96, and 97. And what I'm seeing with the Packers kind of acquiescing to Aaron Rogers is unprecedented. When Ron Wolf was there, Brett Farve, Reggie White, Sean Jones, Leroy Butler, Stars Among Stars. And if you think about the legacy and the tradition of the Green Bay Packers, it always goes back to Lombardy.

And if you go back to that, Title Town is about the Packers, and there's no player that is bigger than the Packers. He doesn't feel like that today. And so when you start kind of yielding to what number 12 wants to do what he may demand, you begin to lose what has been the tradition of the franchise. And so if you jettison players

and then the next guy to be jettisoned will probably be the coach, it is all about Aaron Rogers. And I love Aaron Rogers as a player, but I don't know if he's good enough to single-handedly get. them there. So just be careful when you the Green Bay Packers abending and yielding to the quarterback because at some point there has to be someone that can keep the quarterback in check. We've seen it happen in New England. No matter how big Tom Brady is, the franchise is bigger than Tom Brady. They make those decisions independent. They got rid of Wes Welker. It ticked

off Brady. He was a pro bowler. That's why I've said before. The Lakers wanted LeBron. They weren't giving him the franchise. Okay. New England likes Brady. They've made him sweat. They drafted a quarterback every year. Every year. Because Bill Belichick understands it. You have to make decisions for the organization, not for the quarterback. We can talk about building the team around the quarterback. Yes, that's part of it.

But the quarterback shouldn't have final say in all these personnel decisions. The quarterback shouldn't hold the franchise hostage. That is never a winning recipe for anybody when you talk about winning consistently at a Super Bowl level. NFL network analyst, my friend, Bucky Brooks, hour three, Karan Butler, buy seller hold next oh it is great to have you in hour three this is the herd wherever you may be in however you may be listening live in los angeles i heart radio fox sports radio and right here on fs one so exciting joy taylor it's hollinois tonight she's going as the um the um the um morticia morticia millennial morticia and uh you watch the adams family oh i love the adams family

you got a little cup of witches brew there yeah we got all sorts of stuff the people did a great job on the set today. Our staff did an amazing job. I'm going as a lactose intolerant sportscaster for the fourth year in a row. By the way, in 15 minutes, Karan Butler just got off the phone with

Jimmy Butler. It was a Butler Butler thing. And I'm going to have that in 15 minutes. So we just got off the phone with Jimmy Butler, who's sitting tonight. By the way, Houston's off to a terrible start. Jimmy Butler's sitting tonight in the next 24 hours. Are we going to have a Jimmy

Butler's moving to the Rocket story. It's possible. So that's coming up. He could be headed somewhere, rockets. Well, well, well, well, Halloween tonight. It was an exciting day driving home yesterday for me of NFL trade deadline activity yesterday yesterday, except for one team. Green Bay and Aaron Rogers is getting uncomfortable here.

So yesterday, the Green Bay Packers, in the incredibly competitive and, The Rams are better at practice today. The Redskins are better at practice today. The Dallas Cowboys with Amari Cooper are better at practice. Philadelphia added Golden Tate, they're better at practice today. The Green Bay Packers are not better at practice today. They gave away Ty Montgomery, and they gave away Ha Ha, Clinton Dicks.

By the way, there is not a seventh rounder available in any draft of my lifetime that is good as Ty Montgomery. I'm not saying Ty Montgomery is a star. But there's a reason he was in your running back meetings, your receiver meetings, and your special team meetings. That's a pretty valuable guy. That's a pretty valuable guy. In a good organization, the Raven said, you know what?

We're going to put him in a bunch of our meetings, too. Ha, ha, Clinton Dicks. There will not be a fourth rounder this year as good as ha ha, Clinton Dicks. There won't be. Won't be. So at practice today, you're less talented. But we know what happened is that Ty Montgomery's gone because he ticked off Aaron Rogers and Haha Clinton Dix has gone because of Aaron Rogers' new contract.

This is becoming Shaq in Orlando, Oklahoma City in Westbrook, LeBron in Cleveland, and Aaron Rogers in Green Bay. When you date somebody out of your league, it's never an even relationship. Ted Thompson, get him out of here. Time Montgomery, good player. Get him out of here. He ticked Aaron off. And Mike McCarthy's up next.

That is not to say New England doesn't love Tom Brady, but Tom Brady doesn't own the franchise. Okay, that's not to say the Lakers don't like LeBron, but they told him we're not giving you the franchise. Success breeds confidence. Big markets breeds options, small towns that gets professional sports franchises, especially if they don't win,

And even if they do, they have often low sport self-esteem. Cleveland's tiptoeing around LeBron and Oklahoma City doesn't want to make Westbrook unhappy, and they enable them. And yesterday, Ty Montgomery, yeah, we don't need you. Really? I watch them. In their own division, Minnesota and Chicago have better players than Green Bay. You don't need Ty Montgomery.

You don't need Ha-ha Clint-Nicks. You don't need them. Oh, okay. because, by the way, Minnesota, Chicago, in your own division are better. Philadelphia is better. Rams are way better. I'm watching all these NFC teams. Dallas has better players.

But, okay. I just want to make sure when the Packers are at practice today, you do understand they're a less talented football team. You get that, right? Nobody in the world in the NFL thinks this morning that the Packers are more talented. They're not bailing on the same. season. I'm not saying that.

But they're going to New England, and they just got rid of one of their most talented players and certainly one of their most versatile. You get into these relationships. Westbrook and Oklahoma City is one of them. They're just tiptoeing around. Billy Donovan.

Don't tell Westbrook that. Don't he'll leave us. And they got into that in Cleveland. I saw it firsthand. I lived in Florida with Shaq and Orlando. And I saw it with Dwight Howard in Orlando. And I'm watching this Green Bay thing right now. It's getting weird.

It's getting unhealthy. You're dating somebody out of your league. This is how guys act. They get weird. You start buying really expensive stuff. You're on your phone all day talking to her. Like everything schedules around her. What about your friends?

What about your life? What about your parents? What about your... This is this whole thing. Time Montgomery. Ticked off, Aaron. Get out. Clinton Dix.

Going forward. Got to pay Aaron. Get out. Good luck. Forget your own division. The NFC? Because I watched this morning and three teams in the NFC got better. They added talented players.

They didn't get out of the talented player business. Let me shift to this. One of those teams is the Eagles. They picked up Golden Tate. I like that a lot. I think it's like it matters. Like that was not one of these like, well, they picked up a white. No, no, no, no, no.

Golden Tate to the Eagles matters. No, I'll tell you why. Wide receivers in the United States. NFL due to rule changes have become three-point shooters in the NBA. They used to be specialists. He used to have a three-point shooter. Like Steve Kerr, 20 years ago with the Bulls, he was a specialist. Steve Kerr in a golf bag was a sand wedge.

Now Steve Kerr in the NBA would be a putter or a nine iron or a driver or a three would. He'd be valuable. Things that used to be a specialty. Like if you owned a big company 15 years ago and you, had a really good internet site. You had a digital presence. It was like, it's a great company, brick and mortar, but you know, they got a cool website.

Now, if you don't have a cool website, the CEO gets fired. It's no longer a specialty. It is a necessity. If you look at Golden Tate to Philadelphia, they got the quarterback, star-tied-in, good old line, great pass rush, excellent coach, great GM. Boy, they could use a difference maker. outside and they just picked that up.

At this time of the year in the NFL, we're getting close to Thanksgiving. There's always about seven or eight teams that feel like, because this is the way it works. I mean, in the NBA now, now that Houston stinks, what do we have, two, three? In baseball, end of the year, you felt like there were six. In football today, there feels like there's eight teams to me that are in the Super Bowl bubble. And I was on the fence with Philadelphia. and then they went and got Golden Tate. And the teams to me that feel like

these eight teams are going to win the Super Bowl are New England, Pittsburgh, Chargers, Texans, Kansas City, Rams, Saints, Eagles, all with good wide receivers. By the way, Carolina is on the outlook and in real close. And the reason is, they're not going to get any cheap over-the-top touchdowns because they're not good enough at wide receiver.

And in the NFL, when Golden Tate goes to Philadelphia, I think about them different. differently this morning. I really do. They're in the club of eight. Here's Greg Jennings. I like the Philadelphia move. I like Golden Tate.

When I look at this Philadelphia Eagles team, they just extend it and added to not only their running game, but obviously their passing game. Golden Tate is a running back playing wide receiver. He's a big, heavy yard after the catch guy. You get the ball out of Carson Winst's hand, quick, fast, slot guy that they trust more than even a Nelson Aguilar, and he adds that stability.

Totally agree. I thought it was a great move for Philadelphia. Buy seller holds around the corner. Coming up next, Karan Butler just got off the phone with Jimmy Butler. We could have breaking news. Jimmy Butler not playing tonight. Rockets trying to engineer a deal for Jimmy Butler. That is coming up next.

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I believe we have an NBA trade that's about to come down. The rockets are a mess. And Jimmy Butler is sitting out tonight. and it's been documented now by people who cover the league that the rockets are all in on Jimmy. By the way, remember, the rockets have a new owner. New owners are impatient. You don't want to be a one hit wonder with Houston. Darry's got to make this thing work.

And so I buy the Jimmy Butler Houston rumors. You just got off the phone with Jimmy Butler. Let me start with this. Why isn't he playing tonight? It's a mutual decision. What does that mean? He wanted me to put emphasis on that. That's a mutual decision from Tibbs and front office and itself.

You know, he said he's restless. He's tired. He's a little banged up. And it was a mutual agreement to rest him tonight against Utah. Mutual decision doesn't mean that there's not a trade in the works in the next 48 hours. I mean, anything can happen. And Jimmy is the type of guy. And he wanted just to be said that you only can control what you can control.

So as a competitor, he's going to go out there. And as we've seen in the games that he has been available, he's the reason that the leader, the guy out there winning basketball games. You saw that on full display with the Lakers. He's guarding the best players. But at the same time, he knows that he has to continue to play this way because he's damned if he do, he's damned if he don't, because his value. You know, his value is everything.

And he wants to win. And once you get on that court between those lines, any player or any competitor can tell you. All bets are off. You're not thinking about the business of basketball. You're just thinking about as a competitor to win and lead your ball club. Okay, I've had Jimmy on the couch twice. I like him.

And here's my knock. He's sending me mixed messages. I want to be on a winner. Then why you want to go to Brooklyn? You have a chance to be a winner here, don't you? Yeah, I think he's doing what he has to do. You know, anytime that you're a player, you're going to get shopped around and you're going to go wherever at the business.

likings of management or how they see you fit. But if you're a player that can control the movement of where you want to be and you're that good enough to do that, more power to you. I think so many times that we applaud business and owners for making the necessary moves for the future projections of their organizations. And we need to start applauding athletes and players that's taking their futures and their careers in their own hand and putting their self in the best situation for themselves

and how they see fit. Houston would give up four first round picks for him. Is he worth it? I mean, you saw it on full display. You know, 30 plus points, guarding arguably still the best player in all the basketball, LeBron James, and you know, the game winner over Rondo

and clutch, you see him guarding the best players offensively putting on the display that he's doing. He's worth it. And I don't understand why they, why they being the Minnesota Timberwolves are still holding them hostage, knowing the situation going into the season where I sat down with you and I don't want to be there. We understand that. We establish that. Let's get you into a place where you can be a better

version of yourself and let's put us in a position where we can move forward. Karan Butler, NBA Insider. Do you think a move will be made in the next week? Do I think a move should be made? I think it's the valid and real question. I think it should. be made. I don't think it had happened, though. I just think that, you know, the Timmer Woods would continue to, you know, ask for a steep bargain. They did the same thing with Philadelphia. All right, throw in Ben Simmons. You can probably see that in the situation with the Rock is where, look, you're getting four first round future picks. And they might say, all right, throw in James Hardin or something like that and throw the deal off or something. So it's just

one of those things. And my advice to my young brother, Jimmy, all I told him was just continue to do what you're doing, control what you can control. and be a professional on all levels. He called you because he wants the word out. He wants you to, because he feels he needs a little damage control? I don't think it's damage control at all. I just think that, you know,

so many times, you know, you can trust information with certain people. All right. And you want your message to be put out there in the right way. I want to shift gears to this. And this is, I like millennials. I like them. They think differently.

I like millennials. The downside to millennials, Every generation has a downside. You're not a millennial. And so you were not as worshipped in high school. You probably had a coach that barked at you. You probably weren't as worshipped in AAU. You probably weren't as worshipped.

But the basketball culture now is about worship. You tell your high school coach, play me or I'm going to go cross-down. You tell the AAU coach, give me more swagger. I'll go to the other AAU team. You go to college and you say, I'm staying one year, max. Then you go to the NBA and you can get coach fired. The downside to millennials is they do. don't, I believe, have the resilience.

Andrew Wiggins got no dog in him. I see this with a lot of young NBA players. They got no dog. Old guys all had old dog. Old guys sometimes didn't have the skill level. You guys all had dog in you. I don't think Lonzo's got a ton of dog in him. But I think he's really skilled.

Can I make the argument that Rondo, old school, can't shoot all dog. Lonzo, more talented, millennial kid, chill, doesn't like the conflict. these two don't work together. Every game in which Rondo takes more minutes at Alonzo, he is completely out of rhythm. And it's the reality, he's a millennial, and he does it, this old school guard and this new school kid, Karan,

they don't work together. Am I nuts on this? You're not nuts. I don't want to say you clinically nuts, but... You don't buy it. I can't see them working together. I think they compliment each other extremely well,

and I'm going to tell you why. because all the things that you just touched on, but Lonzo needs that. You need someone like Rondo, a true winner, a guy that's going to bring it night in and night out, and he's not going to let you be comfortable at no time. And if you're Luke and you're the Lakers organization, you're looking at Ball and saying,

this is our future. Could be our now, but this is definitely our future. And we got Rondo here as an insurance policy just in case this is going to take a little bit more time, for ball to be ready. And that's what you see. So I think that he should be the starting guard right now. Who?

Ball. He should be the starting guard. He should be out there being available. And Rondo is reliable. He's going to be fine whether he's coming off the bench or playing pocket minutes or whatever the case because he's a true professional. He just gets it done. By the way, I watch the rockets imploding.

I watch what the Lakers are doing and they're exactly where they should be at this point. They're trying to figure out the chemistry. They're competitive every night. Even with losses. They're losing close to playoff teams in the West. I kind of look at the Lakers and I'm like, all right, if you flip the one San Antonio loss into a win, I think you'd have to wake up this morning and be okay.

I mean, when I hear LeBron's impatient, I'm like, you were 7 and 9 with Dee Wade in your first 17. You, Kyrie and Love couldn't work it. I watched the Lakers and I'm like, this is going as planned. He responded to a question. He didn't say, I'm impatient, and they say, LeBron, why are you impatient? he responded he said

I don't want to get there basically saying I don't want to become impatient I don't want to become impatient but you have to understand he lost Rondo for four games or whatever the three games and then he lost Ingram for the four games and they're a huge part of what they do

so looking at that and understanding that they're going to be fine going forward I just think that it's all about the chemistry and understanding that who's going to do what and where they're going to be and a lot of positives came out of that. You see Lance being consistent.

You see in Javel. You see them being one of the top scoring teams in all of the NBA, not just the Western Conference. So they're scoring at a rapid rate. Now they have to find a way defensively to control people and protect the paint. And once they do that, they're going to stream together quality wins

against quality teams. And then, you know, one thing about momentum, once that thing get going, especially with LeBron James, you can kind of just feed off that. For the record, with the Lakers, they eventually, they can't move these Stevenson Rondo guys until December anyway. If I said, remember the show Survivor, they vote people off the island. If there's one guy that's going to be off the island, trade him, move him.

And it may just be because they can get another shooter. Is there a Laker, though, in this whole thing? Because they got 10 guys that can play, probably 4 to 5 are pretty good prospects. Is there a guy you think would be voted off the island first? I think it all depends on the record. And I really do feel like you can't fully evaluate a team until after 18 to 20 games. You don't want to prejudge your team or move too fast

because of what other people are doing. Sometimes you see the Golden State Warriors playing at a rapid clip. That's face it, you don't have three guys in the association and they're all on that one team that can go out there and score 50 plus points. And Clay, KD, and Steph. Yeah, we never had that in the history of the league. Yeah, you can't, you can't make. judgment calls on what you see them doing. You have to understand that, look, you're not going to

win a championship this year, but you're going to be in the mix. You're going to be fun to watch and the narrative has changed about the organization. But don't rush the judgment. Let things play out, trusting LeBron James and facilitating and making these guys be a better version of themselves and see how things go. NBA insider Karan Butler. Was Karan angry when you talk? Or not Karan. Was Jimmy tense, anxious? What was his mood? He was this, this like, bro, I just want my message to be right, and I want people to understand because sometimes we're a smoke that's firing

and people just run off with all these trends or the trade is happening or this. It's just, you know, we have mutual agreement. I need rest, a little banged up. I'll be fine. And wherever I'm at, I'm going to give 110%. You know that. And I said, I echo those statements.

Good seeing you. Always. NBA insider, excellent work. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so NFL trade deadline was yesterday.

One of the big winners was the Houston Texans and Sean Watson. They traded for Demarius Thomas. Big move that they had to make because Will Thor tore his ACL in the same night. Watson threw for five touchdowns. Coach my dolphins on national TV. Leaving DeAndre Hopkins is their only option. So now he'll be spending the next three days in Houston before going back to Denver to face the Broncos in his first game.

as a Texan. It'd be a little difficult, of course, you know, playing in Denver for eight and a half, one or nine years and I get traded in the first team I play is Denver. So, you know, it'd be a little different. So, you know, I look forward to, but I can't be to it much. I got to go out and be a part of the Houston team and try to get the W. He still watched the time when he was in college at Clemson, you know, watching his game. You always, you know, praised him.

So being able to play with him now, being a part of the Houston, Texas. I look forward to it and we're very excited about it. Listen, and the other thing is JJ Watts having a great year. So my star quarterback and my star defensive lineman, it's just working. This thing is working for that. I'm glad that it's turned around for the Texans.

It was looking a little shaky there at first. And Deshawn, people haven't seen Deshawn play in a while. They kind of forgot how dynamic and exciting he is. He really was Patrick Holmes of last year. And it was devastating to injury. So it's good to see that they're, rack on a roll. They won five in a row. You know, they're top of the AFC South, and now they've added another big key piece.

Stay aggressive. So Russell Westbrook and Patrick Beverly do not like each other. And they added another chapter to their ongoing beef last night. Tensions began when Russell took Beverly to the rim, then celebrated by rocking an imaginary baby to sleep. Not very professional. Oh, here we go. Okay. Taunting. Not a fan of taunting. Okay. It's a little bit taunting. It's allowed. Then he did it again in Beverly.

mimicked him, and things got really chippy in the fourth quarter when Westbrook lost the ball. And Beverly appeared to dive for the loose ball, but his shoulder rammed into Westbrook's knee, and he was assessed a flagrant foul one, which is fair because it's someone's knee. Hey, listen, Patrick Beverly has every right to that basketball. He doesn't, Goulet, am I being unreal? She's giving me a look, morticians rolling her eyes at me. Did Patrick Beverly have any heat? I'm watching it again.

Hold on. Patrick Beverly has a right to that basketball. Look, come on. They have a history there. And the last time he did that in the 2013 playoffs, Russell Westbrook Tour is meniscus. Okay. And guess what? Patrick Beverly has a meniscus too. Okay. Don't forget that. I like Patrick Beverly.

He plays hard. Every night. You've got to be careful when you go around the knees. Anyway, here's the two of them on what happened. I went for a loose ball. What happened happened after? I don't know. Somebody you walked to our bench, you know, doing all that cap and stuff.

You know, I don't know what that is. You know, walk to our bench, you know, doing this and all that, you know. I don't know. Things went kind of haywire from there, of course. Two competitors, no one's going to back down. No one did. We teach too technical. Continue playing.

Yeah, you got little kids. You got little babies. Put them asleep. You got little kids on you. That's what happens. Little guards. Get a rock. Anytime I got small guards or any time the point guards guard in position,

then I'm going to put them. final shot. He's weird. I'm sorry. I'm backing Patrick Beverly, a hard playing guard. And by the way, Patrick Beverly,

this is how he plays because he's not as skilled offensively. So Beverly has to get in your head. I'm all for these tough guys who have to play. Patrick Beverly's brand is, I'm going to be physical.

I'm going to get in your head. I'm going to go. That is absolutely Patrick Beverly's brand. And Westbrook's brand is aggressive. And weird. Go to your face all the time. So it's the perfect matchup for the two of them. But you've got to be careful with the knees.

I got to take Russ's side on this. You came in my knees before and tore my meniscus. Look at this. That's called hustle. The balls on the whole other side. Hey, one of us likes hustle. You're about dressing up on Halloween. I'm going home tonight and doing my taxes.

I am about hustle. Thank you for that transition, Colin. That's what we in the biz call a transition. Halloween is today. And a lot of athletes like to dress up, getting the spirits. Let's start with LeBron James. LeBron shared a few Instagram stories. watching the

1981 Halloween 2 while wearing the signature mask. He jokes Michael watching Michael. This Damian Lillard

brought it strong as Stone Cold Steve Austin with the mask and the walk. All he needed was like a six-pack of beers to crush.

Probably not great for a game, but that's really strong. And then DeAndre Hopkins went all out. He has an avatar costume. That's really good.

Ooh, that is incredible. That's intense. How the hell do you do that? Yeah, you know, if you're going to do it, Just do it all the way. This is some scene from the Von Miller party. Just up there.

Elina del Dawn, one is Jack Skellington from A Nightmare Before Christmas. This is funny. These are really good. Yeah, you got to get fully into character, you know? I like it. And then the Lakers actually, Lonzo, dressed up as Batman. And I got to get, I got to make sure I say these right. Where did you get this at?

Is it a party? They went and did a trick-or-chee event with a bunch of kids. the Lakers just tweeted this out. So that's Lonzo as Batman. Spivadaslav. Mokiluk was Penny was. McKiluk. Mikhailik was Pennywise.

And then Zubatz was Frankenstein. I like it. Like it. And then finally, this is my favorite one. All the athletes did a really good job. It's really nice. But, you know, the Browns, they've had a rough week. Yeah.

But Bob Wiley's granddaughter dressed up as her. grandpa. That's funny. For Halloween. And it is the cutest thing ever. I love that. That's my favorite one. Joy with a news.

Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Let's not waste any time. I'm your stockbroker. You've got a little extra lettuce.

You want to know if you should buy a stock, sell a stock or hold a stock. Here we go. Time to buy. Colin will decide if he'll buy it. Sell. Watch it at a tell. Or hold.

By seller hold, the Eagles will win the NFC East. First of all, they have the best roster and the quarterback in division. Nobody would dispute that. But here's the secret sauce with the Philadelphia Eagles. They have five division games left. What does that matter? Because for all the surprises in this division, the Eagles have won eight of their last nine games in division. And about 40% of their remaining schedule is all divisional rivals.

So John Eagles will rise plus Golden Tate and win the NFC East. Buy seller hold the Rams will go undefeated in the regular season. Two things here. They go to New Orleans this weekend, and my guess is they lose. They've also got a tough game later against Kansas City and at Chicago and Philadelphia. But here's the key. They're going to win their division early December. the brand for the Rams, and they're doing this with a purpose,

they didn't play any of their stars in the preseason. Nobody's ever done that. They did it for a reason. So veteran players sell the Rams to other veteran free agent players. They have also allowed many of their veteran players like Andrew Whitworth, left tackle, to not wear pads during the week, not practice. The brand McVey is creating is giving Stars rest. That's why Stars, veterans, producers will come to this team.

So John, sell, sell, sell. I don't think they're going to go undefeated, and even if they did, they're going to arrest starters late in the year. By seller, the Steelers are the biggest threat to the Patriots in the AFC. Well, I actually think Kansas City would beat New England if they play again when Eric Barry the safety comes back because he will completely shut down Gronk he did last year. The way to stop Gronk is to either put Eric Barry on him or he gets hurt. Also, they've beaten the Steelers five straight times. New England. They're in their head, and the one thing the Steelers do poorly is details.

They lead the NFL in penalties and penalty yards. So John, sell, sell, sell! The Steelers are not the biggest threat to the Patriots. Kansas City, when Eric Berry comes back, is a better team than New England. Buy seller hold, John Gruden will win fewer games than Baker Mayfield. First of all, Oakland's got a tougher schedule remaining than Cleveland does. They have to face the Chargers, go to Baltimore, Kansas City twice, and Pittsburgh. but I think a lot of this is about optimism. I think the Raiders locker room right now,

I think there's an understanding Vegas and the next two years with all these draft picks is the future. I think right now in Cleveland, they got a young, optimistic locker room, and they're going to play their butt off for the rest of this season. Baker Mayfield's got to prove he's worth it.

They got a lot of young star players. They don't want to be bad on tape. So John... Bye, bye, bye, bye! I think the Raiders will win fewer games than Baker-Mayfield and the Browns. By Siller-hold, Packers head coach Mike McCarthy will be the next head coach fired. By the way, McCarthy's won 63% of his games. That's the 14th best winning percentage in NFL history.

Secondly, whereas Tampa Bay has shown a history, they'd fire a coach in the middle of the season like a dirt cutter. Green Bay's brand is sort of more dignified. It's more community-driven. I don't think they'd embarrass him during the season. I don't think Aaron Rogers, for his brand, would want to fire Mike McCarthy in season. So John, sell, sell, sell. He will not, Mike McCarthy will not be, if he's fired at all, he will not be the next coach to be fired. Because there are teams in this league that would canna coach mid-season, Green Bay, not one of them.

Super Bowl coaches usually make it to the end of the season. And finally, buy so. or hold, Rajan Rondo will finish the season as LeBron's teammate. Well, the Lakers are 0 and 4 this year with Rondo, and he's been on six teams in the past five years. I think this is really easy, is that you can't move any of these guys until past December. That's the reality with all the contracts, the Lance Stevenson's and the Rondos. But if you're truly concerned about the growth of Lanzo ball, then you cannot have another

20 games where Lonzo is clearly not the same player when Rondo is taking significant minutes. This team is 2 and 1, and the 1 loss is overtime with Lanzo playing the big minutes. O and 4 with Rondo playing the big minutes. So John, I don't think Rondo lasts the entire season. Are you curious based on your genetics how your weight might be affected by your diet, stuff like that. It's called number 23 and me.com slash the herd. Order your health and ancestry kit.

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That's what we're going as tonight. Very excited. Very excited for Halloween tonight. And It's a candy holiday. It's a holiday created by Kit Kat and Snickers. I'm not sure what it, I don't even know the meaning of Halloween. So do you give out candy at your house?

Well, generally I do, but tonight I'm going out. So I'm going to have to. So just leave a bowl. I'll leave a bowl there. That'll last about four kids. And the kids in my street, they're very aggressive. Well, listen, aggressive wins, right? It does in sports.

Aggressive does win. We thought we would do to honor today. We'd have a little fun. we're going to play a game. The NFL trade deadline yesterday was fast and furious. And so we thought we'd play a game, trick or treat. Trick or treat? Did they get a player with good hands and feet?

Let's find out, shall we? It's time for trick or treat. So there's been major trades in the past week, right? So I have to tell you if I think they're a trick, not a good trade or a treat. Right. All right. So let's start with Golden Tate. lions to the Eagles. I love that and the reason I love that he is productive. He is not an

over-the-top threat. He's a bubble screen guy. Get the ball out of the hounds of Carson Wentz. He's got 44 catches this year. Three of his last four years. He has been a thousand-yard receiver. This would be a treat. All right. Eli Apple, Giants to the Saints, trick-or-treat. I think this is a trick. The problem of this is he does not, he has one interception. And he was a first round pick, but he's got one pick in his career. I think he's been unreliable. I think when he faces quality teams, the Rams, the Eagles, veteran receivers.

I think Eli sometimes is not reliable. He doesn't come up with a football. I would say Eli Apple to the Saints, they gave up too much, a little bit of a trick. All right. Demarius Thomas from the Broncos to the Texans, trick or treat? I think this is a treat. First of all, he's been a very good Denver Bronco. He's a good kid. They'll put him in the Ring of Honor. He's gone through a lot of turmoil. He's gone through the Tebow stuff and the Peyton Manning stuff and the Brock stuff and the Kay's Keenham stuff and the Trevor Simeon stuff. He has been a rock solid teammate. So you're bringing in a good guy to the

the locker room to go with Deshawn Watson, who is a great kid at quarterback. So I think he fits the brand of the Texans. I think he fits the locker room. And he's already got over 400 yards and three touchdowns this season. And that's an offense that's not giving you a lot of punch. So I think he's a treat. All right. Dante Fowler, the Jags to the Rams.

I think it's a little bit of a trick. Gave up two picks for him. in seven games for Jacksonville this year, he's got two sacks, and that's with other really good defensive players up front who get double-teamed. I think my knock on him has already been, he's a free agent after the season, so how much money are you going to pay him? Now, the Rams are probably getting rid of Indomacan Su. He's not long-term.

My guess is they keep Fowler beyond this year if he plays well over the next six to seven weeks, and they move off Indomacan Su because they already have Aaron Dundum. Donald. But two picks for a guy that's been an underachiever, even in Jacksonville, couldn't get sacks. I'd say it's a little bit of a trick. All right. Ha-ha Clinton Dix, from the Packers to the Redskins. A Redskins already have one of the great safeties in the NFL. Now they have two Pro Bowl-Level safetys. He has never missed a game in his career. So right now he's a rock-solid player. He's a good dude. He's a veteran. He makes plays. He's going to be expensive. And it is a position

that's getting marginalized, but in that division with Carson Wint. Now he got Golden Tate now in the division. Amari Cooper in the division. Odell Beckham in the division. You got to have a guy like Ha Clinton Dix in the back end, so that to me is a treat. Good pickup by the Redskins. All right. You just said it.

Amari Cooper. Raiders to the Cowboys. I don't understand the hand-wringing. I think it's a treat. He's 24 years old. I'm seeing everybody compare all these wide receivers. I get a good dude, good dude who's going into his prime for the next five years. He's only 24 years old. In 2015 and 2016, when the Raiders didn't have as much dysfunction as they have now, it was a thousand-yard

season. Again, their 29th in pass offense. They were going to draft a wide receiver. He's also a guy that learns a playbook quickly. So the Cowboys have a slot receiver, a running back, a quarterback, a left tackle, and all their defensive personnel, Amari Cooper's a treat. All right. Carlos Hyde, the Browns to the Jags. him, but I think it's a little bit of a trick. Yeah. They've already got Leonard Frenet and T.J. Eldon. I think there's a weird situation where you got two backs, you went and got a third.

I think he's much more valuable to me in Cleveland than Jacksonville. He's only averaging 3.3 yards of carry this year. I think his best days are behind him. And I saw his first game. He had six carries. and 11 yards. So I didn't. I like him.

A lot of players I like, but I don't like him in all situations. I wouldn't have given up much for Carlos Hyde. Okay. And finally, this wasn't a trade. And it also has nothing to do with the NFL, but you wanted us to bring it up. So we're going to do it.

Trick or treat, Carmelo, Anthony, free agent signing by the Rockets this season. That was a rotten apple. That is a trick. Or a poison apple. He has like a poison apple. They're an analytically driven team. He's a bad analytic player.

Last year, they played defense finally and had great chemistry. He's never been a chemistry guy, and he's never played defense. Carmelo Anthony to the Rockets, and I had lunch with Darryl. I don't really get it. I mean, I guess you're trying to keep up with the Warriors, but Mello doesn't shoot threes. He is a reluctant defender, and he kind of at this point in his career, picks the nights he wants to play.

and picks the night he doesn't. And I think that doesn't play well in locker rooms. And I thought the strength of the team last year was defense in locker rooms. They're one in five this year. And that's why they're engineering right now a trade for Jimmy Butler. As Nick Wright was on earlier in the show today. And I asked him, I said it's weird. You know, I've seen this for years.

the Patriots, dynasties do weird things to people. Buffalo and the Miami Dolphins were rock-solid organizations pre-Tom. He arrived. They've gotten goofier since. Did the rockets obsessed and infatuated with the warriors almost beat them last year? Did they reach? Once you face a dynasty, you start reaching, you get obsessed by it. I've seen Sabin do this to the SEC.

Nick Wright responded to that. I don't think the argument that Golden State is making guys go crazy is Houston signing mellow. I think it might be the trade that they haven't been able to pull off for Jimmy Butler. Darry has always valued flexibility, assets, and he offered up the most first-round picks you're allowed by NBA law to offer up for what could have been a one-year rental of Jimmy Butler. That would have been, I think, an example, even though it would have made the Rockets far better this year, an example of a team going crazy. Yeah, the Jimmy Butler situation, listen, when you make a move and it doesn't work, you got to fix it. And so Darry, who's hyper-aggressive, is like, I got to fix this thing. Even if you have to go up against NBA law.

Yeah, and I would say this. I mean, you give up how many draft picks do you give up? Houston's an interesting situation because you got hardened, and if you got Jimmy Butler, you're stuck with a crisp ball deal. for a lot of years. I mean, that thing's going to be 41 million bucks here in about three years. So if I have Harden Jimmy Butler and I have Chris Paul, my guess is I win 50 games a year, and my new owner, the Frititas, are pretty happy and I keep my job. And I'll say it again, it's just pro sports are becoming the opposite of a 401K. A 401K, you never dip into it. You don't touch it to your 65. You just let it grow, be patient.

You look around, there is something to be said for creating momentum. And I think the Eagles Golden Tate, it's good in the locker room. Cowboys Amari Cooper, it's good in the locker room. J.D. Martinez to the Red Sox didn't have to have him, good in the locker room. Manny Machado didn't have to have him, got him to the World Series. Astros Verlander. You start looking at the Bears and Khalil Mack. It was a super aggressive move.

They already had a good front seven defensively. You know, these sports, the athletes are richer than ever. You know, money changes people. You want that locker room to feel good. And you also want to have talent around you rather than speculating on if this random draft pick that you've been hoarding forever is going to all of a sudden become Tom Brady. Once you build on something that's already steady,

rather than having to completely rebuild your organization. I actually, I, Jimmy Butler, again, I'd give up draft picks to get Jimmy. I like the Chris Paul to the Rockets move. I like the Jimmy Butler to the Rockets move. I never like the Carmelo move to the Rockets. Tomorrow on the show, we're Pat, Greg Cosell, Jordan, Palmer, Chris Broussard, and Tim Hardaway. In L.A., it's the herd.

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