The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - BIlls-Chargers, Steelers crush Bengals, Parker upsets Deontay Wilder

Episode Date: December 24, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Buffalo Bills taking on the Los Angeles Chargers, the Pittsburgh Steelers blowing out the Cincinnati Bengals, Joesph Parker's shocking upset of Deontay Wilder and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:00 - Bills beat Chargers08:30 - Wilder gets upset21:50 - George Pickens goes off28:30 - Micah Parsons vs. TJ Watt42:00 - NFL MVP breakdown01:04:00 - Unc and Ocho get HEATED talking about top 5 boxers01:12:00 - Simone Biles husband gets exposed01:31:00 - Shannon doesn't like lingerie01:45:00 - Unc and Ocho answer fan questions #Herd #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Christmas is right around the corner, guys. It's probably not going to get there in time, but you know what? It'll be there by New Year's. you know what? Order one for, order a bottle or two for you or someone that you love. And your favorite look would greatly, greatly appreciate it. Elcho, let's get right into it. The bills beat the charges tonight. 24, 22. The bills open the game is a 12.5 point favorite. And walk away with a narrow win. Josh Allen, 15 or 21. 237 yards, one touchdown with an inception. East and Stick. Filling them for Justin Herbert,

23 or 33, 215. When you look at this game, what was some of your takeaways? I mean, the takeaway from this game was the goddamn bills are lucky. Josh Allen is lucky.

James Cook is lucky. The charges paid a decent game without a Justin Herbert. They did it just enough to almost obviously win the game. That kicked by Dicker. Is it Dicker or Decker?

Dicker. I don't want to pronounce it right. Dicker. I thought that's I thought that sealed the game. But obviously, Josh Allen comes down, throws a beautiful, beautiful pass to Diggs on third.

And I'm not sure what it was. It was third and something. And then came back and hit, God, I got to get these fellas names right, man. Number 10, where his knee, his knee was down. His knee was down where I thought it was a touchdown.

But they have to stop playing like this because you can't overcome the turnovers. You're not going to be able to overcome the turnovers once you get into playoff. intentional, you're in a playoff atmosphere against a team that's much better than that of the Chargers. Right. You know what, Ocho, they flashed a stat on the screen. Yeah.

Josh Allen has turned the ball over 15 straight times in road games, dating back to 2022. Wait, 15 straight? 15 straight games. He's had at least one turnover on the road. That gets you beating the playoffs because you pay double for him. He had, I mean, if he throws digs across the field, In a situation like that, there's no backside help. So now just let him run up under.

Yeah, because if you throw it like he threw it, the same thing's going to happen. The guy's going to undercut it and he's going to pick it. And the funny thing about it, remember, he just did it earlier. He did it earlier in the game anyway to Gabe Davis. Instead of across the field, it was just right in front of him. Yes. All he had to do a step into it just a little bit more.

Shakir is number 10 for the Buffalo Bill. Okay, Shakir. Khalil Shakir. Yeah. You're right. It seems like to me, Buffalo kind of like played down to the competition, even though the Chargers still have a very talented team, even without Justin Herbert, without Keenan Allen, no Joey Bosa,

they still have a very talented roster and give those guys credit for fighting hard. But this has been the story over the last three years. They play good, but somehow they find ways to lose these type of ball games. How many times have they lost by one, lost by two, lost by three points? And seemingly in situation like this, somebody kicking a game winning field goal, a game winning field goal, but you only have limited times to go try to win the ball game or tie the ball game up. And so this has kind of been the story not only of their season, but of the last couple of years.

Right. But the bills, you're absolutely right. The bills need to play a lot better than what they played. And sometimes when you look across, you're like, man, they can't beat us. Look at what they got at quarterback. They're missing Keenan Allen also. you know, the defense, they just fired their coach. So what do they have to play for?

Well, a lot of these guys playing for jobs. Because there's going to be a new coach coming in. There's going to be a new general manager coming in. And they didn't draft. They didn't trade for or they didn't sign any of you guys in free agency. So they absolutely have no loyalty to you. And so there's going to be very interesting. So that's what you're playing for.

You ask, well, what are we playing for? We don't have anything to play for. We're not going to the playoffs. job because I'm sure you're going to want a job in 20th, 24. And so the new coach is going to come in and he's going to watch every single game. And the one thing that you don't want to put on tape, Ocho, is that when we're winning and we're front running, we play hard. But the moment we face a little adversity and we're behind, we're not playing. Yeah. Yeah. You can't do that.

That's not a good look. That's definitely not a good look. But give the bills, give the bills credit. They come along. That's a long, long trip. Oh, Joe. They win the ball. game. They're going to get an extra day of rest. They get an opportunity to sit at home for criminal and don't have to worry about anything. They're probably not going to have no practice until Tuesday. They're off tomorrow. They're off Sunday. Well, hell, they're not going to get home. Well, they're not going to get home until it's 11 o'clock, 12, 1, 2, 3. They probably don't go get home to 3, 4 o'clock in the morning.

In the morning. They're not going to get home because you figured an hour to lead the stadium. And from where the stadium is to the airport, it's only, it's only last. Like you get police escort, so it's not that bad. You're going to get that fast. You're going to get that fast. And plus a lot of the traffic that have been, you know, kind of fanned out a little bit. Not all of it.

Not all of it. There still be some traffic. But you'll get an opportunity to get there. And so probably 30 minutes after you get to the airport. So, yeah, they're not getting home to three, four o'clock in the morning. Maybe even five. That's a, that's a, what, five-hour flight? Because it takes us when we go to New York, and that's upstate New York.

So that's at least a five-and-a-half, a half-and-half-hour flight. That's easy. It's 11 o'clock, 12, 1, 2, 3, 4. Yeah, they get home 4.30. You know, the funny thing about it, but the good thing about it, you know what it would have felt like to take that 5-hour and 30 minutes drive back home. If you had lost that game,

one behind that fumble or maybe that interception because it's only two or three plays in an entirety of a game that make the difference. That totally makes a difference. And the fact that they were over to come to tournament, over's the day, they got lucky. They got real lucky. But the way, it won't cut it once you're getting them playoffs.

I won't cut it. I don't know how you were, Joe, but man, I couldn't sleep. Man, we're a loser draw. Especially in the win, I ain't sleeping. We rowdy back there. We're playing cars. We're laughing. We're joking. We're telling jokes. We talking about if somebody got blew up in the game, oh, we on your head. Oh, man,

dude, knock your block off. Right, right, right. If you got slept in the game, oh, don't worry about it. Hey, we're about to feel bad for you on the field. But once we get to that locker room Those jokes don't fly Oh absolutely Every time

Every time But after a loss After a loss I'm down I'm sorry If we had a long flight You know we were on the West Coast Having to come back to the east

Yeah You know what I'm thinking about You know playing the Raiders Or playing the charges And losing having to come back I can't even remember what I was doing But I think I probably did sleep

When or lost, I probably did sleep. Especially after playing a game, you know, being beat up, being sore. Not sure what the outcome might have been, but I got to get my rest. I got to get my rest, especially for a flight that long. That's tough. I mean, just that five-hour flight coming from the west or the east, but that's hell, especially if you lost. Oh, for sure. I tell you what, you're not going to feel worse than Deonté Wilder.

He got to come all back with that L. how he looked tonight all the way from Saudi. Yeah, yeah. After that performance, they should make him walk back. After what he put on tape today, Ocho, they need to make him walk back. Listen, you know, no, wilder man, good friend of mine,

boxing is weird the way it works. Boxing is weird, the way it works, is he's always been dominant. He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch. Yeah. He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch for so long. He's relied on it for such a period. a time that now I think

it's almost too late. We're now much better if you were it, huh? It's too late for him now, Ocho. You can't teach him anything. Yeah, I know what I mean? If it was a little bit more technical and a little bit more sound as a boxer. Yeah. Not a puncher. Right. You know, because now you're meeting people that have a great ring IQ that are able to protect themselves from that one hand and that one punch. And they are

better boxers. Is that if that makes sense? They might not be the better fighter than him, but they are the better boxer. They're out boxing him. Yeah, and as long as they don't walk into that punch or he let them sit them up to trap them. But I think the thing is for him, also in combat sports, like when you're like invincible,

you remember how Mike Tyson was? Nobody really wanted to fight Mike Tyson until Buster Douglas knocked them out and then everybody had a line around the block. It was the same thing with George Foreman. When he was knocking people out, he almost killed George Fraze, Joe Frazier, when he almost killed Ken Norton. Nobody wanted to fight him.

Then Muhammad Ali beat him. He took a sabbatical. Yeah. Because the era of invincibility, invincible, invincibility, when you're that guy, when you're the king of the mountain,

kind of like a bully, everybody scared of a bully until somebody who whips his ass that is, oh, you ain't all that. But shut up. You ain't beat him. Why are you telling me to be quiet? You should have told that man

with your ass to be. be quiet. And that's how it is in anything, in any combat sport, as long as you have this, this era, this aura of invincibility, people are going to be like, man, can anybody, because you have to understand, Deonti Wilder, although he only had that one punch, it was dynamite. Listen, it was effective. Listen, this is the, this is a funny thing about it. I've seen Deautee Wilder spar a few times. Listen, the sound, the power behind those punches. or that one punch, the jab is nice, but when that right hand catch you, and if it does catch you, he ain't even got to hit you clean. No.

He could graze you and you're going down. Right. But then when you get against better competition, you come against boxers that are good, that have great footwork that can get in and get out, even though they're heavy weights, and they're out boxing you using this up here, then you struggle a little bit.

In most heavy weights, Ocho, as you go up in weight classes, most fighters, as you start going up in weight classes, can end the fight with one punch. Obviously, in the heavyweight division, everybody can throw a punch and get you up out of there. But the thing with a boxer is that he knows I ain't going to stand directly in front of you. I'm going to come into the angles,

and I'm going to try to, I'm going to negate some of that power that you have by not standing in front of you. And so now all of a sudden, instead of getting a square target, they give you like this here. saying, yeah. When you got nothing to hit.

Yeah. I mean, if you get like, hit my head, hit my hit, it's like a stop sign. So he's going to key off on you. And that, you know, the thing was what really, me and I don't, like I said, I follow boxing. I love boxing and I'm a huge boxing fan. I think what broke him more than anything, it wasn't losing, is when he hit the guy with his best punch and he got up. And it, yeah. He got up.

Nobody had ever gotten up from a punch like that. Right. And he kid him flush. and he sought up in the middle of rang like Undertaker and got up and commenced to whipping his ass. He said, if you tee off on somebody, you hit them as hard as God will let you. And he don't go nowhere.

Or if you knock him down, he'd get back up. I got to run. Well, you're in a box and match you can't run. It could almost be demoralizing. Yes. God damn, that was my best shot. That was all I got. And to see somebody take your power and get up and continue to fight,

It does something to you mentally. I'm sure it does. Obviously, I only been in the ring once, so I really am not, you know, really equipped to be able to talk about it like that. But with the love I have for boxing and the love I have for watching the sweet signs throughout the years, I think I'm somewhat kind of qualified.

How about we put it in terms that we do? Our best hitter, hit the receiver. He'd go across the middle. And we hit him flush. And guess what? Two plays later, they throw the ball to him again, and he go up and grab across the middle. You're like, damn.

And don't even care. Man, you know how many times we'd have had guys turn that down when they see one of them guys, even like that. Most definitely. Now all of a sudden, we're like, well, damn, he ain't scared. He ain't got no alligator arms. Right, right. He really about that life.

So it takes something out of, not just the defense, it takes something out of the whole team. Because as an office, we used to seeing guys him lay him out. And all of a sudden, he ain't laid out. He's catching the ball and he take off running. Not even caring. at all. And the funny, the funny thing about boxing, the funny thing, the great thing that I love about the sweet science is styles when fights. Oh yeah, for sure. Styles win fights. So no matter how much

of a power punch you are, no matter how much you can, you can hit somebody with one shot, when you get a better fighter in front of you, that is great at movement, understanding when it takes chances and when not to, that is very sound defensively and has a ring IQ. That is trouble for anybody that's a one hit or quitter. like, like, D-Ate. I wish,

I wish even at 38, I'm not, I'm not sure. At 38, can you develop the skill set to be a better, a better boxer? I doubt.

And have a better ring IQ. But think about it. He got started in the game late. It's not like, you know what I'm saying? Ocho, it's not like he, he started like in the amateur ranks

of the golden gloves and worked his way up. He was a late starter anyway. So you're asking him to pick up skills and to be able to, do things that he probably should learn probably like, let's just say from the, let's just say a 10 year, 10 to 12 year old. Well, he didn't get started until his 20s.

Right, right. So now all of a sudden, he's already at a disadvantage. It's kind of like in any sport, when you, Tiger Woods understood, because think about it, Tiger Woods had a golf club in his hand at two years old. Oh, yeah. Versus somebody that start playing golf as a teenager, not to say, you know, I think, you know, the longer you play something, the more skill,

the more knowledge and the more understanding that you have. And so I think that's what happened with Deonti. He got a late start. He wasn't technically sound, although he had dynamite

in that right hand. He wasn't a guy that was looking to put punches together to get you up out of there. He was looking for you to make that one mistake. He landed that big right and it was right south.

Now, if he caught you with it, with the exception of fury, it was good night Irene. Yeah, every time. Every time. And so now, go here. Do you think it is too late, though? Do you think it is too late to develop the skill set?

Listen, the movement, what I saw from him today in the early rounds, the movement, the being, the patience, the picking and choosing, when to take chances, when not to? It looked great. Round one through four, even though he was losing those rounds because he wasn't as active as he should be. Is he scared to take punches, though, Joe? Because you know now, in order to knock somebody out, you got to take a chance. I ain't never seen nobody knock nobody out. this here. So you got you got to take a chance. Guess what's open? Your chin. Because you're trying to line that punch on him or whatever it is. Maybe it's a combo. Maybe an uppercuts or whatever

the punch you're trying to land. You're subject yourself to taking one. Right. Do you think after I hear boxes always say our head announcers always say after a boxer's been knocked out, he's never the same again. He's never the same. You think that whole that whole truth? You think? Yeah. Yeah, of course. It messes with your psyche, you think? You get cautious. You get cautious. Okay, okay, okay.

I tell you what? I'm old enough to remember. You remember Roy Jones when he lost Antonio Tarver? The Tarver. He was never the same fighter. The left courting by accident, yeah. He was never the same fighter. He was never the same.

Right. Now, I understand, you know, he had, Roy had went from, Roy went from, you know, junior all the way up to Super Middle, all the way to, to heavy weight. He took the belt from Reese. He was 193. He took the heavyweight title, and then he dropped all that weight to come back down.

That's what he shouldn't have done. But Roy was not the same fighter after he lost the Tarver. He started losing the fighters that Roy would have never lost. Roy would have toyed with him. Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. I think one of the problems with Roy also is as his skills started to deteriorate just a little bit, just a minute, just a little bit.

He wasn't sound defensively. But he was never, he was, he was so much quicker and faster than everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he could, I mean, you know, he dropped his hands and he would like, okay, you know, hey, and then, bah, he'd catch you with that left hook. Yeah. He would catch you something when you're suspected. So now, you're not as technically sound and you're still trying to take those chances as you start the age.

And the reflexes aren't quite the same. Right. So, uh, hopefully that, uh, Deonté can, can bounce back, but I don't know. Oh, he, hey, why have to say he coming back. he can't end like that. You can't end like that. I hope not. You get back in the lab and you work on what you need to work on and you come back and you

keep on fighting. Guys back in the 80s and 90s were so skilled. People think heavy weights are just big and slow, no footwork giant. But you have to understand. Those guys had Olympic background. They came amateur. I won the gold medal in 60. Frazier was 64.

George Foreman was 68. Holyfield went to the Olympics. Mike Tyson was an alternate in the Olympics. Roy Jones was in the Olympics. Floyd Mayweather was in the Olympics. Sweet Pete P. Whitaker. Mark Breeland. All those guys.

Tubbs and Henry Tillman. You go back to the greatest boxing team ever assembled was the 84 Olympics. I think we won 10 to the 12 gold medals and I think we got a silver in one and a bronze. But we won 10 of the 12. And you go look at that roster from Sweet P to Mark Breed. to Henry Tillman, we were loaded. Yeah, them boy, no guy, them boys on him. We were loaded.

So you think things would be different for him from a skill point perspective as far as footwork and and ring and moving and ring IQ and stuff like that if he had started much earlier as opposed to 20? Yeah, because the thing is, how often are you going to be able to knock somebody out with that hair gear? So now you got to out porn them. Now you got to out box them. You see what I'm saying?

Now, not to say that you can knock them out, but it's a lot harder. That's why they sparred with hair gear. It's a lot harder to knock someone out when they have headgear versus not. So now it's a point system. I got to outpoint you in order to beat you because the likelihood of me knocking you out isn't that good. But he's not a volume puncher though. So that takes that out the equation too. Why?

Because he didn't have the background, the amateur background. He didn't go up in the golden gloves. He didn't grow up, you know, to go to the Olympics. So he just got in. So to get as far as he got with the limited training and the skills that he has, You have to, you have to, you know, teal your head to it. Tremendous.

Tremendous. Yeah. But that's why I was asking. I know boxing is different from football. Even at 38, is it possible to attain those skills, even at over a short amount of time? No. To become a volume puncher.

To be able to come out and throw maybe even as a heavyweight, it might be ridiculous to say, you know, 50, 60 punches around. Is that possible or is that not in his DNA? You think you could have been the same route runner if you didn't start playing football to use 25? Hell not. Exactly. I need it all 10,000 of them hours.

Exactly. So now, because you not only do you understand, you know, okay, this is what I want to do, you understanding how to set guys up. You also understand from the defense that when I catch this ball, here's where the danger is going to come from. So you already know that from all those years, man, this single high safety. Ain't nobody coming. If somebody's going to come, they're going to be coming from the inside. So if I give him an inside move, he's going to probably.

probably by, I can spin out. Okay, if he's coming up on, man, he's probably coming up on the outside. Let me speak. I'm going to be able to get back up inside. But somebody might be coming. So just make sure, hey, I got to make this thing happen quick. It's just years and years and years of repetition of knowing. We'll get back to boxing.

Let's get to the Steelers. Okay. The Steelers blow out the bingas 3411. Mason Rudolph, 17 to 27, 292 touchdowns. George Pickens had a bounceback game. Scorce the bingo secondary. Four catches, 195 yards,

two touchdowns. He became the first dealer to have two touchdowns of at least 65 yards since the great Louis Lips. Did it in 1988. I know you don't remember Louis Lips, but Louis Lips was a hell of a football.

He was a hell of a receiver. Smallish, but hey, can't quit. Bruce, Bruce Fickickett. George Pickens took Rudolph's first pass attempt for an 86-yard touchdown. What a hump! Ocho, what the hell of safety go with?

I don't know what he was doing. I don't know what he was doing. I have no idea. I have no idea what he was doing. But this is what I was talking about. When I was somewhat defending George Piggins, obviously on the play with the block, and his frustration and based his aura,

the laziness of being under-under-use or not utilized to its potential. This is what I was talking about. This is what I've talked about. Now, again, I'm not. saying you have to block all the time. You have to put the effort in and blocking so everything works. Listen, offense is 11 players. Yes. If one player's not doing something, it's like having an engine with no goddamn belt. The car might be running, but it ain't going to go nowhere.

If you ain't got the belt to keep, you know, to get the engine. You got out of spark, boom. I said that part. But the other flip side of it, listen, the students aren't playing well this year. They have a franchise changing receiver at the helm that they're not using. They're not utilizing him to his full potential. He's a game changer. What we saw today is what he could have been doing since week one. Regardless to who they're playing, you put him in positions

to make the plays. I look at Pukua. Pukua is a phenomenal talent. He's a phenomenal talent. What he's done this far in the McVeigh system is phenomenal. But is he that or at the likes of George Pickens when it comes to rock running speed skill set? No, I don't think so. And that's

disrespect to Puka. I'm just speaking on what I know based off what I know about receivers in the eye test and what I know George can do. And we saw a glimpse up at the night. What we saw tonight shouldn't be happening in week 15, 14, 16, whatever week we in. I don't even know. That should be happening consistently week in and week out. When the Steelers line up on offense, the defensive adjustments should be made based on where he's lined up. That's the type of player he is. And I'm glad I'm glad I, he hit me tonight. He hit me tonight and I say

man, good game, I love you. That's how this shit is supposed to look every motherfucking day. Every day. Forget the catching part. Forget the catching part. The catching and the blocking. Have a complete game every time you step on that field. Yes. Never be the problem.

Nigger be the solution. Oh shit. My bad. My bad. I'm sorry. Oh, Joe. People hear me. Oh, Ryan Clark. what y'all think about this. Two things can be true. George Pickens lost last week on a block. This week, George Pickens had an incredible ballgame.

You see how two things can be true? Just because he had an incredible ballgame, that doesn't negate what he didn't do last week. Right. And so people got to get out of that notion. One thing does not compensate for the other. He did that. That's on tape.

Just like what he did this week. It's on tape. I'm a problem. Yes. I believe two things can be true. George Pickens loathed on a block last week. We saw it. George Pickens came back this week,

had four catches for a buck 95 and two touchdown. It became the first Steelers receiver to have two touchdowns of at least 65 yards in the game since Lewis Lips did it in 1988. Those are true. But here's the thing, Ocho. As a receiver, you're receiver,

we played a dependent position. We couldn't throw ourselves the ball. We couldn't call plays for ourselves. The only thing that we could control was our effort. How hard did you get in and out of that break? How hard did you get into that break? What did you do once you got the ball? What did you do when you didn't have the ball?

Are you excited because you're only going to be as good. If you were excited that somebody else scored a touchdown than if you scored it yourself, that's when you know you're on to something. I've been on part of championship team. And to see A and how excited he was for me and Rod or TD. and the CTD running down the field and everybody wanted a mile high salute, that's when you know you're on to something.

All I'm saying, look, and I'm saying, Ocho, you don't think I wanted to catch 10 passes a week? You don't think I wanted 100 yards and a couple of touchdowns a week, yes. But you don't know, realistically, even Tyreek, the type of season that he had, even Calvin Johnson, when he had that record-breaking season, there was some games the man had 50 yards.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The effort is the only thing. thing as an athlete I can control. Even when I shoot the ball. Now, it might look pure. I can't control if it go in or not. But if I miss a shot, I got to hustle my ass back on defense, or am I going

going to get the layup? Or my man going to get a dunk. So that's all I'm saying to George Pickens. There's no denying his talent. We know what he's capable of doing. Yeah, they need to use it, though. They need to put that motherfucker on display every goddamn week.

Every week. They put it on. They look good. They look good. Yeah. They look good. Yeah. And then that's coming from a Bengals fan. That's coming from a diehard, still love everyday bleed, bleed black and orange.

They look goddamn good today. They look good. Can you put up there not only the sacks, but tackles for losses, forced fumble, but fumble recovery picks. I know. I know pick, he probably, pick probably watching right now. No. Hey, Pick is, if you watch it, man, send us $100, yo.

Send us a quick hunt. Uh, Tom, but Don said, do me a favor of Ocho. No more GD's tonight. Please love y'all content. But the GD is worse than any other swear word. G. I don't even gang bang. I'm not from Chicago.

I'm not a GD. No, he's saying, gosh, dang. You saying the GD. No, it's got, it's got damn. Got, got. Okay. Not, not the, not the, not the D word, GOT. Okay.

Yeah. I'm just, that's what, that's what he's saying. Oh, yeah. Tell him, tell him his, tell him his goddamn. Not, not. the GOD word version. My grandma don't play that board. She has slapped fire at my mouth. I've been looking at this and Molly said

something the other day. That the betting favorite for defensive player of the year is Michael Parsons. And I'm just trying to figure out how. Oh, because it's based off numbers, huh? Because it's based off numbers. I mean, he didn't even close with the numbers. TJ White leads the league in sacks. He has more sacks, more force fumbles,

more fumble recoveries, more interceptions, more touchdowns, more tackle for losses. Well, McCaugh got, but McCaill, let me see. He got 12 and a half. He got a 14, 14 targets for loss. Yes. Well, shit, Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett and got damn right there neck and neck.

So running away with it is TJ Wat, based on what he's done so far. T.J. Watt leaves the league with 17. Miles Garrett is 7th with 13. He and Micah are tied for tackle for losses with 14. T.J. Watt has 16. Right. T.J. Watt has more forced fumbles. He has more fumble recovers.

He has more interceptions. He has more touchdowns. What am I missing? Listen, all three of them are very impactful on that defense. But we got to get a war. We can't get a war to three players. We got to give it to somebody, Ocho. All right.

Who you like? Who would you like? If you had to give it the war to somebody, who you need to say? Right now, the T.J. Y. Yes. Despite the team's lack of success. No. Hey.

Hey, there been. I'm just asking, despite the team's lack of success. Man, Cortez, Ocho, Cortez Kennedy won defensive player of the year on a 2 and 14 team. So don't give me no, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anything. I'm just trying to make sure I touch on all angles before you give it, but the Steelers have an opportunity to get into the playoffs.

They still got a chance to be a wild card. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. They're not done yet, Ocho. You know, you know what I think about when I think about it, I like what Mackay doing Macai has done this far Micah, you know, through the season Micah, Micah, I'm sorry.

I like what Miles Garrett is also done. Yes. They are forced to be reckoned with on their teams. Yes. And they can change the direction of a game at any point. And is it a fact that maybe they're getting double team? Oh, you don't think TJ get double team?

I don't know. I don't really, I don't watch the, I don't watch the, I watch it all. I watch it. Especially, I'm watching. at all for the simple fact I need to see, I don't really get caught up into like, okay, he scored,

I need to know why he scored. Okay, he got a sack, but I need to know what happened. How did they scheme it up? Right. Did somebody get off on a block? Did they slide the wrong way? Did the back miss the block? I have to look at all of that. And if I look at, if I look at TJ's

numbers and it's just hard, and it's not like the Steelers defense or trash, I can see if he's on the defense and they, you know, they dead last and past defense. But we know where the Steelers are. The Steelers always been, they,

they linebackers have always been legit. You go back to the 70s with Ham, Lambert, Andy Russell, you come to Kevin Green and, Greg Lloyd, yeah. Greg Lloyd. And you go to Guilden and you go to Joy Porter, and you go to Holmes,

and you go to Kirkland. They've always had linebacker, James Harrison. Larry, Larry, Larry, Fitt. Yeah. Hey, so I have a question. T.J. Watson normally played a wide nine, right?

He never, he never, they put him down, and they put him down and put his hand in the dirt, but they play a 34 defense. So they play a 34, that mean, what, that's still a night. That's, that's, that's still a nine, no? See, they, what would you call it in three-fold? I call it a 34, that's a Sam, Will, and Mike.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, we call it, well, he normally is a strong side, so we call it Sam. Right. you got Sam Will, you got plug and Mike. That's the way we label it. Now, if you play a 43 defense, we call it Sam, Will, and Mike. Mike, okay.

But we call it when you got a 34 defense, Sam, Will, plug, Mike. So they played the Steelers for the last 30 years. Now, in the 70s, they were called the Steel Curtin. They played a 43 defense where Ernie Holmes, Elsie Greenwood, Joe Green, those guys. That's what that's why I'm asking. I'm trying to, I'm looking at the sex, right? And I'm trying to see what do they do with TJ Watt differently that they don't do it, Micah and Miles Garrett? Well, Michael, well, see, they're, they're like, Miles is an in. He plays, he's played, and normally they play a, they play a 43, so he's on the, what they

try to, he, he plays the open side. So he's always, they're always trying to put him away from the tight end. They won't. And they move, they move, they move around a little. They'll swap him around. And you see sometimes he's going in between his legs. He's over the guard. What they're trying to do, and they'll do this with all of them. Who's the weakling? Now, I'm going to turn the door handles on all these doors.

Now, one of them got to open. Right, right. And the one that opens the easiest, I'll be back to come in there again. Right. So, but they will drop T.J. And the coverage, because you know as the will and as the, Sam Backer, sometimes you got hooked the flat. You got the curl.

So you're not. Always rush it. And Micah occasionally, but more times than not, when you got a guy with his hand in the dirt, you're rushing him more times than not. Occasionally, you run his own, you get exotic, you run his own blitz, and you'll fake, like it, and he'll drop out.

But for the most part, Miles Garrett and Micah do a little bit, not much, because you waste in T.J. Y. If you drop him in coverage, he'll hellraiser. So I want him kick it in the door, like he's doing his, celebration, I want him kicking in the door. When you think about it, listen, we ain't even talk about Khalil Mack.

Khalil Mack, yeah. Kalil Mack, too. And Neil Hunter. Who should be in the conversation? Yeah. The Boza, 49ers. 49ers. He's not, he's not, Joey.

No, Nick. Joey plays for the charges. Nick plays for the 49ers. Man, they all look the same, man. They all look the same. Hunter. in Minnesota. He's having an outstanding.

He was leading the league for quite a bit, maybe about 10, 11, 12 weeks in the row. Yeah. And it tailed off a little bit. I mean, Wanchickeme has an outside chance to get 20. He'll tie his brother. He'll be the only second man in the NFL history

to have two 20 sacks seasons. You know, his brother, his brother, JJ, had two seasons in which he had at least 20 sacks. Nobody else been able to do that. that. We've had some guys that have 21 and a half. Straighthand had 22 and a half, which is the record. The record 23, right? 22 and a half by T.J. and straight hand.

Okay, okay. That's live, man. You know how many sacks that is? I don't think people even know how difficult it is to get a goddamn sack, let alone they get 22 of them. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. And these guys have gotten really good.

These guys know how to be in. I mean, everybody, everybody, it doesn't. matter. Normally the bending was for smaller guys, Sam back the guys that, you know, like a Derek Thomas, like a Vaughn Miller. But if you look at Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett at 265 pounds, 270, and he can bend like a guy that's 232. Man, listen. Man, been like he doing the motherfucking limbo. Yeah. Uh, TJ, look at TJ. Now, Michael is not as he doesn't bend as much. Michael is a more swim or rip. But. And you know what other people don't get to see? I call it the casual fan. I mean no disrespect. All they think of, they just see D.N. They think about Russian and don't understand.

These fellas have a plethora of, they have a plethora of move. They have a plethora of setups. Yeah. To get to make, oh, it's unbelievable to watch. It's almost like art form. It's almost like art form. But you don't get to see the hand to hand combat because all you see in just a guy just bull rushing, not knowing he's actually setting them off.

When you go basically take the guy right down the middle and put it, walking back to the quarterback. Yeah. Now, there have been only a handful of guys. The only guy that I know could do the fork lift was a guy named Jumpy Gathers. Jumpy. Forklift. Forklift.

What he would do when the guy would try to pass block him, he would shoot his hands through there like a forklet. Lift the liming up, walking back, sack the quarterback. He's the only guy I've ever seen that. Lift him up? Lift him up off his feet. A 340-pound man, Jumping can lift him up off his feet and take him back to the quarterback. He must have been strong. He must have been strong.

He was, remember I told you, jumping from Charleston. Jumping is only like one generation. Wait, like Larry Allen strong, like that? Yeah, oh, he lived Larry Allen up. Shee. Live him up. Larry Allen, Larry Allen? Live him up.

You see, you see Reggie hump Larry. You see Reggie, you see when they had the thing, the 30 for 30 on ESPN? Uh-huh, what happened? Humpty. Well, he clubbed him? Yep. Okay, he must have caught him on his heels. That's what, that's what, that's what, that's what Reggie does.

But see, Reggie could also. bend for a man that side. And Reggie had no gloves. Real? Reggie just had, Reggie just out there with his bare hand. Didn't matter how cold.

The tape on his, the tape on the single. Yeah. Yeah, bad. Yeah. So, and, you know,

the guys can wipe, you know, they bend the edge, turn and poop, right? That's the quarterback. Oh, man. You guys set you up with the real.

Uh-huh. So it's all a setup. They're looking at, okay, how deep does he get? Okay, how deep is the quarterback? Okay, one, two, three. Okay, that's what the quarterback is.

Okay, it's set up. One, two, okay, ta, ta, ta. And so it's like a rhythm. Okay, he's here. Yeah. Okay, this is where I need to get to. Okay, I need somebody, hey, I need you to clap the pocket and make him take one step back or take him so he can't drive.

He can't step up because now I can bend and get around the edge. So it's a, it's a dance. I mean, like you said, people think, oh, he got a sack. But do you know why he got that sack? You got a sack? You know how he got that sack? So much comes into play. And I always wondered from like playing the mind game and thinking about it.

As a D-N, obviously I don't play D-N, but I would count the kick and when he angers down. I mean, I'm just saying in my mind, if I was, I know when the ball snap, he kick, kick, kick. You know, and then knowing when to make my move or when the, when the, when the, when the apply pressure, when the punch, when to swim, when the dip and rip. Right. Man, it's so many things that come in to play. Right. I'm just taking it as if I was playing receiver and just implementing the same thing as if I was playing a D.

But the hardest part is, Ocho, is that you don't know where the quarterback is. You know where you think he should be. Be, right. But how many times have we seen the offensive line, the tackles push the guy out of the field only to have the quarterback run right into it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. run right into it. And see, normally that happens with mobile quarterback because they think they're running away

from something on the front side and they run themselves into trouble on the backside. If you look at the most mobile quarterbacks from Randall Cunningham to Lamar Jackson to Cam Newton to Mike Vic to all those guys, those are your most sad guys. Now, obviously, Tom ended up breaking that record because Tom played so long. You expect the guy to play 23 years to end up being the most sack quarterback in the NFL history. But when you look at a lot of the mobile quarterback, back that didn't play nearly as long, they're way up there in sacks because why they could get themselves out of harm's way, sometimes they thought they were getting themselves out of harm's

way on the front of the backside, only to run themselves into trouble into front or the backside. But it's going to be close because I don't think anybody, it's not like, like, TJ, when he had 22 and a half sack, it was easy. Or when you had Aaron Donald have 20 sacks, it's easy. And de-tackled, do you know how difficult that is? a D tackle having 20 sacks. Think about that. 90% of the time, Aaron Donald was double team.

Oh, yeah. My bad, 87% in the time. What's the difference? 20 sacks and the detackle. That's insane and unheard of. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy.

It was unbelievable. And to see, and the thing is what was so impressive because, like, when I watched JJ Watt, JJ really had, JJ was kind of simple, right? J.J. just had the rip. But he was so quick.

with his first step and he was playing the five. Yeah. Wearing them guards out. Yeah. You wearing them guards out. Same thing with Bruce. Bruce was a five technique, got over 200 sacks. Yeah.

I don't know if that. I mean, maybe now with that extra game, if you can play. Jay J.J. What? Big, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. To be able to move like that, man.

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I'm anxious to see like the MVP because it's not like, you know, like Patrick Mahomes. When Patrick Mahomes had 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns, who else are you going to give it to, Ocho? When you look at him last year, he had 5,000 yards, and like he led the league in passing yards, led the league in passing touchdowns, led the league in QBR, and they had the best record. Well, it's easy. Now I think because now you got Christian McCaffrey doing what he's doing, rushing and receiving it and look at their record. You get a Brock Purdy doing, doing what he's doing. he's number one in QBR, number two in completion percentage. If he's averaging like nine point, almost 10 yards,

it'll be the highest yard for completion since 1957. You got to go back to Otto Graham and Norman, and Van Brockland. Right. So what happens, even what Purdy's done this season, I'm not saying, I'm not Cleo. I can't predict the future. What happens if the Raven defense has the formula to stop that juggernaut of our offense tomorrow? What happened if the Ravens, if the Ravens beat the 49ers,

it should be hands down that the MVP is going to Lamar Jackson on what he's been able to do. So you feel that same? You feel that same way if Purdyton them beat the Ravens that is Brock Purdy's? Oh yeah, it's a rap. It's a rap. Who else you're going to give it to? Who else are you going to get it to at that point?

Daxson, I got something to say about it with Miami. You know, are you right? You know what? I'm moving too fast. I'm moving too fast. I'm moving too fast. You know what's funny? Have the Cowboys beat anybody over 500?

The Eagles. Eagles two weeks ago. They did to beat Eagles. Okay, had the Dolph be anybody over 500 this season? No. Well, right now, what are the Broncos? Broncos are 500. So theoretically, they're not over 500.

They're not under, but they're not over. So we'll see once the season's over. Do they get above 500? But no. And that's been the knock. And that's why this game is. so important and we're going to learn a lot about the dolphins and the cowboys because we need to see them.

We see the cowboys struggle on the road. We see the dolphins struggle when they step up in competition, be at home or the road. So it's going to be very, very interesting. Can the dolphins run the football to keep that undersized defense from just pinning their ears back and coming to get Tua? Because you know what, for a tour for a guy that's small, he's not that mobile. You don't think he's mobile? No.

I mean, he's not Lamar Jackson mobile, but he's very good. He has very good pocket awareness, though. No, I mean, he can move side to side with the scapability. Right. Right. Okay. Because you got to think, you got to think, like, okay, Peyton, man, you know Peyton. And you know, uh, who else?

Tom. Tom, yeah. He ain't moving nowhere. Matthew Stafford. The guy's not going nowhere. They're old school pocket passes. But you think if somebody smallish, you know, oh, man. Like a Kyle, I'm thinking, man, you ain't fit to get Kyle on the ground.

How are you going to get Kyle on the ground because he moved? You look at a Michael Vick. You're thinking the smaller the guy is, the more elusive he's going to be. Loose if he is. But, you know, two or two is not even built like that. But for what he lacks, this is the thing about it. For what he lacks in escapability with his lower extremities, he makes up for in his accuracy. Yeah.

Too way accurate than the motherfucker. I don't give a fuck. I'm out of the curse again. I don't care what people say about his. him not having arm strength or armed talent, he is accurate and throws a catchable ball. Yeah, he throws here. Every time.

When you don't have the arm, when you don't have, say, a Josh Allen or Patrick Mahon level arm, you have to throw with great anticipation. So your anticipatory skills are Brock Purdy. You have to be able to anticipate because in the NFL, you don't, guys don't get open, you throw them open. Oh, yeah. Because that stuff that you do in.

college, oh, he opened, I'm going to throw it now. No, it ain't in the NFL. That's either a picked or knockdown. Yeah, yeah, you got to be special. You got to be a special one to be able to be open. Exactly. Tua has zero rushing touchdown this season, and he has

55 yards rush. Yeah, 55 yards rushing. But it's going to be interesting to see how the cowboy is attacking, because if Tyreek plays, and I understand that, he's going to play. He's going to play. No, okay. play. But I

understand that DeRondland is having an unbelievable season and Gilly is playing well. But are you really trying to man them up on Waddle and Rieck? Man, who up? I'm just saying they're like, they play a heavy... They're one of the most heavy team that play

the most coverage of man. And they're not going to change. They're not going to change because you know that the officers come into that game to establish the run, the same way the 49ers did, the same way the bills did, the same way the Arizona Cardinals did. They established to run the open up the past. Right.

You know they are. Yes. You know they are. That's the exact same thing. Because this is a copycat league. Okay, when you watch film, what worked on the Dallas Cowboys on the game that they lost? Everybody ran the ball. Right.

God damn James Cook had a goddamn, might have been a career day. Yeah, 170-something yards rushing. Well, what you think the, what you think the Dolphin to come in here and do? But you got most of the end. Did you know this, Ocho? I just saw this. that Moster had 19 rush touchdown in his first eight years. He got 20 rush touchdown.

He got 20 touchdown. Yeah, this year. It's amazing what a change of senior could do, which is why I say it's important where you go when you draft it. It's important going to a team that's going to utilize you to your full potential and not allow you to go to waste. You do realize. What does that say?

You come to the dolphins all of a sudden. You come to the dolphins all of a sudden. You got 20 touchdowns in the season. What happened if you could have had this production continuously when you first got in the NFL? Well, his problem was he couldn't stay healthy. Remember, he was the running back in San Francisco when it went to the Super Bowl. Him and Jimmy G. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So his problem is that with Ocho, you know when you possess that kind of speed, you got small joints. You can't have, you can't have no block ankle and be able to and have that dorsal flex. to be able to pick him up and put him down. So he got dinged a lot. Right. So he's missing time. This year, to his credit, he's been able to stay healthy. Stay healthy.

Okay. On the field, he's getting opportunity. Just like, hey, A. A. A. A. Chan. Yeah. Boy.

He could fly. But you see, he's a dean. You see? Yeah, he can fly. He's a little small and statutes. Yeah. Oh. He's a smaller stature.

And they got him running between them damn tackles. Yes. Yeah. Oh, you know, you know, you know, when you grow up in high school, you got that kind of speed. All they're going to do is toss it to you or pitch it to you. Uh-huh. You let you get outside.

Because everybody can, yeah, you got to come down here. Hey, even CMAQ, Christian McCaffrey runs more between the tackles than you think. But I knew he could do it because I watched it because Stanford has the most when he was at Stanford. Oh, Stanford. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a pro-style offense. Right.

And so I saw it run between the tackle, so I didn't think it was going to be a problem. Problem, yeah. But he's used properly now as opposed. to just, oh, we just go dive. He was the work horse with the Panthers. Yeah. He was too much of the work horse and they ran the goddamn horse

into the goddamn ground, which is why he stayed hurt and nicked up. But the balance that they have and the usage that they have over for him over there with the 49th is because you got so much around you. Right. He ain't got to take the whole load. It would be interesting.

You know what I would like to know, how much does he practice during the course of the week? Because everybody doesn't understand these guys like a Kyle Shanahan. It wasn't like, you know, hey, TD, Mike, TD probably got Wednesday off, did a little bit of nine on seven because we had to say, hey,

no, bro, you get 23, 25 carries every week. Yeah, especially the running back. And he's a, he's a smaller running back at that. So you wanted to get in the days off, give you Wednesday off, Thursday, do something. Do a little something. Friday, you know, pick it up a little bit, just so you in tune with the rhythm,

with the rhythm of the game. Yep. And got the plays down on Fridays. Yep. And you'd be ready to go Sunday. That's how you work it. Ocho, today is the fifth is the immaculate reception after 51 years ago today. What's your favorite sports iconic moment?

Oh, oh, that's easy. That's easy. Chat, chat, y'all stay with me, chat. Y'all stay with me because you might not notice. But if you don't notice, I need you to use YouTube and Google once the show is over. Ronaldinho, my guy, Ronald Dino got a standing ovation when they played against real, when they played against Real Madrid at the Bernabayo, 2005, 2006. He scored two goals.

You don't understand how big that is. Let me give you, for context, for those of you in the chat, that's like... No, no, no, no, no, he just scored two goals. That day, his performance was so good. They're playing away now. He was playing for Barcelona. Yeah. They're playing Real Madrid at home.

So for context, let me get this to you. I'm playing, we're playing the Steelers. Let's say today, for instance, I go out. out there and have a day like George Pickens, four for 195 and just say two TDs. And when the game is over, the entire Steelers, Steelers fans,

the entire stadium stands up and clap for me as I walk out the stadium. Or as I come off, come off the, but get subbed in or something. You hear how crazy that sounds? Mm-hmm. Man, one of the greatest moments,

one of the greatest moments for me, being that I love soccer so much, there's so many different others but to me that's one of the greatest moments ever is seeing Ronald DeNio get a standing ovation from the away crowd at Real Madrid for his performance in that game

El Classico for those that don't know what about you? Immaculate reception was cool but that goddamn standing ovation man at any way away you don't understand how passionate soccer fans are There's a true hatred and disdain for the opponent.

But normally I think when people think iconic moments, someone on the field did something that you'll never forget. Like be a macular reception, you got Kurt Gibson hobble to the plate and you get the call or you get Malcolm Butler doing what he did in the Super Bowl. But that is a moment like that. Or you get Ray Allen shot where he's backing up. that's up there with that, Unk.

That's up there with that. If anybody in the chat, if anybody in the chat is a soccer fan or true soccer fan, please explain the Unk that that is an iconic moment that is up there with some of the best, including that of the Immaculate Reception. I think so. Yeah, I think so.

Ocho, but you're saying, look how many people watch soccer. I mean, that's the difference because it's a global sport. Right, right, right. So, I mean, I mean, you're going to have 100, 110 to somewhere 120, 10025 million. But the World Cup, you got a billion people watching. Yeah. Yeah.

So even if you don't, I mean, I mean, even if you want to say the World Cup. Yeah. Where you had messy and you had, what's the guy from, from France? Inbape. Inbape. Yeah. I was at that game. It was crazy.

Damn. All the atmosphere was crazy. What about you? Who you got? I know yours is going to be a Jordan. I guarantee you against Utah. I'd have walk up or you can say the moment where he going against the Laker, then he's going to dunk it,

and then he goes this. And he switched hands. Yeah, man. That was nice. That was nice. It's tough. It's so many, it's so many moments, though. Yeah.

I remember the miracle on ice. Oh, USA? Yeah. Was that Russia, right? Yeah. Yeah, it was against Russia. I would probably go Ray Allen shot

Game 6, NBA finals. Oh, in the corner, the three. When the goddamn heat fan, when the heat fans was walking out the goddamn walking out the arena. Because remember, remember, they had already started to rope the court off. They were bringing the champagne out for the

the spurs to celebrate. Right, right. Because they had just filed. I mean, they had filed. And what happened was Manu made one of one, made one, made one miss one, and Kauai made one miss one. So it left it as a three-point ball game. And they ended up taking Tim Duncan out of the ball game. So that's why Chris Bosch was able to grab the rebound.

And through all that, to be able to hear Ray saying C-B-C-B, and Ray gets the ball backpedaling. doesn't look down, lets it go. If he miss it, it's over. If he misses the shot, it's over. Yeah, yeah. Because you're down three,

there's not enough time to do anything, do anything else. That was clutch. You saw how fast he released, how fast he released the ball? Man. I mean, it's been, I mean,

maybe Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson in Japan. Ooh. Hmm. I mean, that's, that's, that's an iconic moment.

Yeah. That changed the direction of Tyson's career, which was still great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Malcolm Butler, to make that play, to see it, because we've seen guys like, ooh, get a great jump on the ball, and what they do, they drop it. Oh, ooh, he's like, oh, I had it. And, you know, they do it, Ocho, do everybody to do this right here. Ooh, I was this close.

That this close. And you know the funny thing about it on that Malcolm Butler play? Yes. It's about being able to recognize. the route recognition or the switch release and most of the time the receiver always gets there first nine times out of 10 and just this one time

how you knew it was coming and you beat the receiver to the punch. Oh, Cho. They should have checked out of it because here's the thing. Once Browner once he pressed the inside, you're done. Yeah.

He has to be off so he can rub to make him go over. See, the problem was Browner jammed it. So now Malcolm Butler can come right now. There's nothing. There's no interference. There's no obstacles in his way. That's why he was able to get this so goddamn bad. That's it. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So, no, because the thing is, somebody got to press, somebody's got to play off. So

Brandon Browner says, I'm pressing. Malcolm Butler's off. Yeah. So now he stymies it. Malcolm Butler goes because he knows what's coming now. He saw her right away. Yes. And see, there's really nothing to hold because if I'm not mistaken, they motion Marchand the other way. So you know it's not a run because there's no back in the back field.

Back in the back field. See, all of that, okay, no back, no threat of run, boom. We haven't seen them run the quarterback draw. I'm not worried about it because even if they run the quarterback drawl, that's not my responsibility. I got one responsibility. Beat the receiver to the point.

Now check this out. Guess what happens if they run a fade? Oh, no. What, hey, what if they, what if he went in and came back out? Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like you see Kansas City did that last year with two routes. Wilt routes. Cadarius Tony started, say, er, go.

Skymore getting to the other side. Got it. That would be nasty. But you know what, Ocho? I'm telling you. Why you don't hand it off the beast mode in that, in that situation? I think they wanted Russell Wilson to be the hero. It seems like that.

Because here's the thing, Ocho. I'm telling you. you jump this you see this formation what if they run the fade if they run a speed out if they run a whip route that's on me yeah if they catch this ball that's on you right anything other than that i'm gonna take it i'm gonna say what we study don't take when we see this alignment we saw this this is what they did 100% of the time right if they do something else out of this formation I'm going up there to the podium and say that's on me. The way we coach them to do, we coach them to do that.

And you got to live with it. You got to live with Ocho. You got to live with it. You're right. I got one more. I got one more. I'm asking, I want to know what the chat thinks as well, the people that are listening and watching. Can we put Odell's catch with the Giants, the one-hander,

that I think eclipses him and makes him somewhat of an icon in today's game. Well, what happened to put him on the map? Can that be an iconic moment? It put him on the map. But what was so much? You know they got crushed that game. They got beat by like 25 points.

Wait, they lost to the Cowboys that game? They got the brakes beat off them. You know what? The fact that I don't remember them losing that game because the catch had become really the headlines, even though they lost? Yeah, the catch. Because Collie Warr said it's the greatest catch he had ever seen. So.

So that is iconic moment to you then as well, no? Okay, okay, okay. David Tyree's catch with his helmet. A guy that's a special teamer. Rodney Harrison is one of the better safeties of his era is pulling. He couldn't get it out. Couldn't get it out. And they showed the clips.

He couldn't catch anything that week. That Friday's practice, the ball beat him up. Right, right. I mean, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Yeah, and then he makes the most difficult catch of all. And saved him. He saved him. And now we know Coach Belichick in a situation like that, bomb bliss.

So now, okay, all you got to do, Eli, do not throw this ball out of bounds. He's one-on-one. Guys play it off. I lean him inside because I know I got to protect the inside because I don't want to get. And noon. He hit planks ballgame. That's all she wrote. That's all she wrote.

But that was a tremendous. But they've been so many. Roger Maris. Oh, my God. When he hit the home run and the bottom of the night to beat the Yankees. Yo, I'm tripping. We both play football. One of the greatest comebacks of all time.

Patriots Falcons, 23. Oh, yeah. We thinking the game is over. But you got to see it for a moment, it's got to be one play. It's got to be one thing. It can't be the game. Okay, one play. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, it's been some. It's been some. It's too many. The Statue of Liberty play when Boise State beat Oklahoma. Oh, was it behind the back thing?

Yeah, that was slick. I remember that. Yeah. That was real slick. Yeah. I didn't even know what the damn ball was. Yeah. That was a...

Joseph Parker stunts Deonté Wilder with the unanimous decision. Wilder suffered only his. third defeat in his professional career as Joseph Parker earned a unanimous decision victory in the World Heavyweight fight in Saudi Arabia. Devin Bell asked Ocho, who are your top five boxers today?

Keep doing your thing. Ooh, that's a good question. Yeah. Listen, again, for me, preference, bud. Galilee out. Bud, number one pound pound, but.

Geron Innes. Okay. I don't know if you watch boots. Yeah, man. Listen, that's my dog. Boots. I'm not thinking about, I'm not thinking about belts and all that stuff. I don't think about all that, man.

I'm talking about that I like styles for me. I'm flashy. So I like those type of fighters. Shakur, Devin Haney, Hank, Caleb Plant. You notice, you look at the styles of fighters I'm naming. I'm not, again, people in the chat that also watch boxing. I'm not talking about belts and accolades and all that. I'm talking about the types of fighters.

I like. Canelo's cool, but he's not, he's technically sound, ring IQ. He's really good defensively. But it's not, it's not, I need a little bit more flash to it, you know. No disrespect to him and what he's been able to accomplish. But those I name that them is like, oh, that, uh, And you know what else I learned about boxing too? We're there.

You see how I love everybody? Yeah. When it comes to football, you see how I never talk about anybody. For some reason, I have a feeling if you have a fighter that you like, you have to only like that fighter. And you really can't like the rest of them. Like you have to feel exactly the way that fighter feels about every other boxer. And that just don't work with me. I love all them motherfuckers.

And I have an appreciation for the sweet science. and what they do in the ring. And for some reason, I think I'm not supposed to feel like that, which is really weird because I think in the boxing world, it's a little different. You have to be a fan of this fighter. And if you like them, you can't like nobody else. I get that, like this weird feeling a little bit. And I don't like that.

I like boots. I like Bud. I like Tank. I like Shakur. I like Kayla playing. I like the flashy, flamboyant type fighters, you know, that get in and get out. Devin Haney, I like that. And you don't want to know what else about all those people I just named?

What? I beat their ass. I think the thing is Ocho is that because you named so many fighters in the same way, Claire, like if you said, okay, I like this heavyweight fighter, I like him at the heavyweight, I like him at the super middleweight, I like him at the light heavy, I like him at the I like him at the junior. You know, it's kind of like in the 80s. I mean, when the four horsemen, when you had Sugar Ray, Duran, Hagler, and Herds.

Hagler, yeah. Okay, if you like Hagler, Hergler was your guy. If you like herds, herds, what you got. If you like, that's not fair, man.

The rain, what's you got? That's not fair, man. And then you had the fifth guy kind of on the outside was Iran Barclay. That's Sank Juan's uncle. Right.

But. So you understand, you understand that I think is somewhat, almost somewhat like an unwritten rule. Like, if you, if that's your guy, you stick to that guy and you can't switch sides.

Like, I don't like that. Like, I hope, I hope the box is that name. I hope they see this. I like all. y'all. I like all y'all. I'm gonna support all y'all. And if y'all won't smoke, we can, we can spar. We can spar if y'all if y'all want to go. Like, dude. Did you, you get you, you're real, make you pee on yourself.

Man, I will up all. I, man, man, man, man, man, I'm boy not, not how to play with me, man. I'm at the city, man. I don't care about that. I don't care about no belts. Ojo, you got started too late. Ocho, you got started too late. You're not going to see no punch. I ain't get started too like. Man, I've been fighting since 1972. What did you talk about guys started too like? No. I've been using needs. I've been using fighting the Liberty City and fighting the Liberty City

and fighting that ring. I've been using these, man. I've been to worry your B what you talk about, son? Stop playing with my top, B. Bad look here. Now, but now all jokes aside, no, for real, all jokes aside, I love them dudes. I love them dudes because they start their style

of fighting. Remain remain private, ask who you like, Ocho, tank versus Devin Haney at 140. Now, That's a good one. There's no good day. That's what he asked you.

He didn't say, well, that's what he said. All right. Let me, let me, let me, let me talk,

let me talk about the logistics of the fight. Well, that's a big fight. It's going to be in Vegas. Matter of fact, that could be a hundred, a hundred million dollar purse because he ain't got to go to Vegas. We could take it to Saudi Arabia.

Huh? It ain't, it's something about fights that happen in Vegas. Listen, all the biggest fights. Listen to me. Now, we can take it to Saudi Arabia for $100 million dollar purse.

If you really want to talk. But anyway, Wait, listen, Tank versus Haney. They don't need to do it now. They need to continue to let the hype continue to build. Continue to build. It will be a great fight. It will be a great fight.

How it's going to go? I'm not sure. What is Devin going to do? He's going to keep him at length. Keep him at length. But we know Tank. We've all watched Tank fight. Listen, he'll take one or two just to get up in there and he'll let go.

But Devin ain't sitting still. He's getting in and getting out. Getting in and getting out. defensively sound, great footwork, as does Tink. I mean, listen, it's a chess match between two great chess players, and when that fight does happen, I can't wait. And then, again, I like both of them. Who do I root for?

Would I like both of them? That's why I don't like that. If you like this fighter, you can't like no. No, man, I'm room for bud. I'm room for, I'm room for Teng. I'm room for Taylor. I'm room for Boots. Hey, what, boots?

Man, let me take me glass off, right? Boots? Blood are making them put it right back on. Listen. Blood to make them put it right back home. Stop playing with it. Hey, listen, I ain't, listen, you see you're trying to start. So I'm, I ain't trying to start nothing.

Hey, boots, boots and arrow, I mean, not arrow, boots and goddamn bud, they toolbox. I'm saying they toolbox. You know, you know how you got tools when it's time to go to work? Yeah. Boy, them boy got a toolbox, boy. For sure. For them boy, boy, got a toolbox, boy. I beat their ass, but they got a toolbox.

I respect the boys. I know they're going to see this, and if they want to fight, they know where to find me. Choose one. I'm in Philly. I'm in Philly every Monday. And I come to Nebraska.

Oh, Cho, you got to choose one. You want blue seniors or you want bud? You won't tank or you want to hate it. Don't do that. No, don't do that. You got to choose, Ocho. That's what we do. Don't do that.

I just, I just explain to you. I love these boys. So let me ask you a question. So let me ask you a question. I just said that. How the hell I get you on ESPN? They ask you to pick the Cowboys in the bill. and you say I like both of them.

That's the problem. That's not the problem. You know what the problem is? You're an analyst. The problem is you can't handle the truth. It's not about so you like both of them. Do you understand what your job is? Do you understand your job?

Right. My job. Let me tell you what my job is. I know my job and I know my purpose. My purpose is to enjoy the sweet science and to appreciate. You're not a friend. You're an analyst. Can I finish?

Can I finish? finish. Can I finish? Yes. Let me finish. My job is to appreciate the sweet science. As someone who does it, part time is a hobby, and has submerged himself in it. If I

tell you, I like two fighters, or I like four, I like five, don't ask me who I like between two of them that I enjoy watching. Is that a problem? Yes. That shouldn't be a problem. You are an analyst. You can like two things that have to pick

one. You can like ice cream. You can like hamburgers and pick one over the other. Why can I eat the hamburger and ice cream? Why can't I have the hamburger and ice cream? Chad, you understand why now? Chat, do you understand why now? Why now what? You understand what? What is the chat saying? The chat says they understand why Shiana won't bring you on first tape because you have to pick one or the other. I can't. You know what? I don't want to go on first take no more. I don't want to go. I ain't changing for nobody.

I ain't even follow the NFL rules and I ain't changed. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. That's fine. Let me ask you question. Let me ask you question. I ain't going.

If you didn't follow NFL rules, why did you wear home jersey away? Why did you wear away jerseys at home? If you didn't follow the rules. Because they wouldn't give me, they stopped. Exactly. You did follow the rules. You know what I told me. You know what I didn't follow.

Yeah, you did. They took all my jersey. They took all my little change. Let me ask you a question. If you ain't followed the root, why you ain't lined up off sides? Why didn't you get a job like Canada? You know, in Canada, you can get the most. You get a pre-ta.

Ocho, Ocho. Here's the thing, Ocho. Ocho. I'm just, I'm just telling you what this chance saying. I don't care. I don't care about this chair. Ocho, but you should care. This is how we make.

Lord, have mercy. Hey, you think I've been one way, right? Listen to me. I've been one way always. I've always been one way. You want to know why we are, where we are, where we at? Because I'm remaining my true authentic self for you trying to get me to change, and I'm never going to change.

That's why this is going to work. I'm never changing, so stop asking me. I like both and I like boots, and it's going to stay like that. I don't care what the fucking chat says. Simone Biles' husband, old tweets resurfaced. Jonathan Owens, who didn't know anything about about Simone Biles in 2012 said,

damn, Gabby is good, which means he knows something about gymnastics. Gabby with the goal, Gabby just need to get a bottom teeth fixed, and then her smile would be cool. Hmm, why is there an Asian coach coaching the U.S. girls? So let me get this straight. You know who Gabby Douglas is,

and outside of Mary Lou Retton, the only American gymnast that can rival Simone Biles is Mary Lou Retton, not Gabby Douglas, not Nostal Lukens, not not, not, not any of them want, not any of them, not Dominique Motiano, not Dominique Dawes, not what's the little one,

Carrie Strugg, none of them can command the presence other than Mary Lou who won the Olympics on American soil in 1984, and she was on everything. I'm old enough to remember. That was probably a little bit before your time, Ocho, but I remember it. I know you talk about, though.

I know you talk about it. Yeah. Simone and Mary Lou are the most popular American gymnast. Now, you're talking about Gabby Douglas and they nicknamed of the fine squirrel. I know all the things they said about her hair. She need to get her hair straight and then she need to do this. And I get all that.

I remember it. But you know who Gabby Douglas is, but you mean to tell me you didn't know have no idea who Simone Biles was, bro? Well, maybe. Maybe he didn't. What if, what if he is, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, does he actually watch gymnastics? Probably not.

Maybe he saw some on TV. Maybe he saw an interview or something. And then just tweeting it. If he's not watching it, if he's not watching, how does he know Gabby? How did he know Gabby Douglas was good? How did he know she wanted to go if he not watching? Right, right, right. Right.

I'm just, I'm just, it's not a rhetorical question. I'm just asking. Yeah, that, that's funny. One thing about Twitter is they got, they will, they will pull up them seats, boy. So you got to watch what you're saying. If you said something in the past, you got you got to stay. You got to stay in line and stay in tune with what you said.

Because as soon as you flip the script, they're going to hit you back, but is this you? Well, what you got to do is stop line. If you stop trying to make yourself more than what you are. Right, right. Ocho, I'm what I am. It's the same thing. Look at Serena Williams husband. That guy's a billionaire.

Alex Oron, I think that's his name. How do you pronounce his last name? Oh, honey? Okay. Ready. Billionaire. That's Serena's husband. He's worth a billion.

Serena's more famous than he is, even though she doesn't have the money. So you thought, so you thought you were the catch. And even if you even, heard the thing, and even if you were the catch, why would you say that to your wife?

What if they were just playing? What if they were just playing? What if that's the way they, let me ask you question. Ray don't know how you play right, don't rush it. Yeah. That's me.

My personality, yeah. And you know how rail play. Yeah. But I'm saying, look, there's certain things because because now you make it seem like, like she was thirsty. Or I ain't know who she was. She hit me up. Oh, I see, I see you going with it.

I see you going with it. You know what? That's funny. You think people that may be overracting a little bit if they play like that and it's okay in understanding the delivery and what he's trying to say and everybody else is taking it wrong? You think, are we? he overreacting on our in our end when they think think about it differently or no i think the thing is

is that she was a really good sport because i think she knows how it's going to come off i don't think he understood and that's the thing you have to understand and and and and look i'm happy for them i'm happy for her i'm happy for him she had this uh uh at the last olympic she was dealing with some dealing with some things, and I hope she can bounce back. She's as good as gymnast as I've ever seen. And I go back to a long ways watching the Russians and the Chinese and the Romanians. Well, the Bulgarians before the Soviet bloc, I mean, you know,

Russia had everything because they had this big-ass country. And you understood why they was winning all these down medals because they had all these countries rolled up into one. but it's just I just like I said hey like you said Ocho that's their house maybe they play like that

I don't think I don't think and it doesn't matter you know what it doesn't matter what we think but I'm always mindful even if I play a certain way when I'm in public I don't play like that hmm okay I think that that's the funny thing about it

when you bring your relationship and your your dynamic on how you guys operate on how you guys are playful, then it opens up Pandora's box based on how you guys operate and everybody else on the outside really doesn't understand that. And so I think that's where we are right now. Maybe they understand it. Maybe they play like that. Maybe they operate in that manner. But then it's viewed publicly a different way because we dive deep into it. Right. Based on the context we had to go off of based on the dialogue and what you said. I give you example.

You and I in the locker room, we're in the barbershop, we're with the boys. I tell that story. Man, she was out hustling the hell out of your boy. She could get, I know she watered your boy because she's blowing my, she's blowing my box up. Right, right, right. Hey, you thought I had a page in the way that thing was going on. I didn't, zz, zh, zh, z. I'm like, nah, okay, you want your boy like that?

That's the story I tell. That's for us. That's never going to leave. I'm never going to put that in the air. Mm-hmm. But like I said, that's their relationship. I wish them the best going forward. I'm happy for her.

I wanted to go to Paris and get that gold medal this year and bring that thing home. I'm sure he's happy for her. Hopefully, I don't know because I think it starts like July 26th, and I think it goes to like April, August, 14th, 15th. It's about three weeks. I don't know. He's probably going to have to watch that thing from television. I don't know if the Packers are going to give him that kind of time off.

because that's such a long way to go and to get back. Maybe if it was in L.A. Because that's where it's going to be in 26. No, excuse me, 28. That's where it's going to be in 28 here in L.A. Even going to be more crowded. I can't even imagine getting on the 405 or the 10 or the 1-10, but okay. But I hopefully, congratulations.

I hope you have a long, prosperous, healthy marriage, and I wish you nothing but the best. So take off. He said, Zach N says, I've been mad for 10 years. Trust me, this has planted seeds.

It would take work. It would take work to uproot. Love y'all both. Also, there was a, they asked them, they said, list of professional people,

you wouldn't date. List of professional people you wouldn't date. The list, number one, only fans model. Hey, that's not. fair? I used to be, I used to do only fans. But go ahead.

Military men was second. Why military men and women get such a bad rap, man? Can you explain that to me? It's a running joke on Twitter. I think the thing is because you know one thing about a military man. He's going to be structured. It's all about time. They love punctuality. Yeah, but I ain't talking about that part. I ain't talking about that kind of running joke. What? But I'm, but I'm, I'm

just saying probably what they made they made they make time for others oh yeah well you they got they got they got structure for other people but here's the thing to ojo you got to realize as a military man i'm only in an area a certain amount of time i might be in san diego i might be in north fork i might be in over here i might be over there okay i might be in guam i might be in Puerto Rico. I might be in Japan. Right. So, come. Oh, all I know, doing the Vietnam War, there were a lot more black children

that came back than when it was when we went over before we got over there. I'm just saying. And so you go to Puerto Rico and you go to Guam. You get what I'm saying, oh, so I think that might have. Right, we're on the same page. I think that might have something to do it. And then they had IG administrator, a lawyer, a pilot, firefighter, police, psychologist, gynaecologist.

What's wrong with the gynecologists? What I want to know? A football player. They got football player. You know they lie. You know they want to date a football player. I don't know why we on there. Ain't no reason we should be on there.

But the good devil is a lie. Yeah. And guess that was top 10. Number 11, a prostitute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How are you made a prostitute? I've tried to figure that out. Time out.

I have a question. Yes. Hopefully I got a favor. Do me a favor real quick. Yeah. While we own the word prostitute, right? Okay, I'm going to stop right there. Real quick, read my bio.

Read my bio to me real quick for the chat. My bio on Twitter, read it for me. Just to give you a better context. I hate the word prostitute. I hate it. I hate it to death. But read my bio on Twitter real quick for the chat. Okay.

Chad, listen real close. Listen real close. With an open mind. Uh, send me as late. I want, I want you to tell me what you think about this when you think about it when you read it. Chad, tell me what you think, man. With an open mind. Are you verified?

Yeah, put Chad Johnson. Don't put Ochosink. I put Chad Johnson because I saw a girl that had your name and she blew checkmark. I said, well, how did she have she? get Ocho Sico? No, I think that's me. Because my avatar, my avatar is a Colombo, a black Colombo. Huh?

Okay, hold on. Okay, so McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. And you've got to read it to the chat so they can hear you. Hello, McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. Never forget, you're paying for sex indirectly, but word relationship changes the narrative. Is that, is that what we're going for? Yeah, that's what we're going, man.

Listen to it again. Yeah. I mean, I like to think I can read. All right. Rail just donated $50. It said, all men I deployed with were who were married cheated. Who said that? Rail, rail, say she was in the military.

Was rail in the military? Yeah, boy, well, rail a trooper boy. And she knows how to work that fire. Yeah, she could shoot. We didn't been to the gun range. I lost twice. Wait, oh, wait. She donated how much?

$50. What the hell are we going to do with that? We're going to spin it. A influencer is number 12, a politician, a truck driver. Politician? Yeah, a teacher, a model, a carpenter. And this is what I didn't know whether an occupation or a profession. What?

A Florida man. I like, how the hell is that a profession? A Florida man. Who added that on now? It's the 18. Hey. But you all know, you're on Florida,

be on some bull, John. If you go to in the course of a date, if you look at the 10 most outrageous, ridiculous, ridiculous stories,

six up from Florida. Six up. You know, it's just funny. If you look at all occupations, if you look at all occupations here, that really takes away eating and everybody

out of the dating game. Right. You can't date no goddamn body based on this list. You're right. that's ridiculous I think I think

for some of the people on this list it takes a very strong person today, an only fan's model a very secure man whether it be woman or man either way

I don't know here but I'm an only fan nah you know what I be saying she might have a boy but I'll be at a boy but I'm like that I like that look

they got teachers what's wrong with teachers I don't know models a carpenter? What's wrong with a carpenter? You know what it's like to have a man that lives in the house

that can do handiwork? See, that's a plus. I can do handiwork, but not the kind of you thinking. You know what I do? I do it on, Joe. I do it. I do it.

I'm doing my hand. Hey. I mean, look, come on, bro. They got, I mean, they're just putting stuff up here. Look, I understand that occupation like a police officer that puts his life

or her life on the line. Firepiter. You kiss them, be right. You kiss them. You know, they leave and you don't know. You just pray and hope. A firefighter, you run in with other people are trying to run out. Right.

I get that. But man, come on, man. A truck driver, that's a hardworking man. But they, hey, they always on the road now. I'd have heard about the truck drivers in the glory hole on the roads now. Yeah. I'd have heard the stories. So we know how that were.

Well, what, this is the list of people. So I'm trying to figure out what y'all want to date. Next time, y'all need to come up with a list of, A list of people that you can date. Because y'all got all this up here. Y'all ain't dating nobody. Ain't shit. Boy, boy, this crazy.

Now, that's crazy. That's really goddamn everybody. I ain't going to date no prostitute. She ain't going to date you. She ain't going to let you mess up my hustle. What are you talking about, bro? Did you, listen, is no, what is the definition of prostitution? Getting money in exchange for what?

What? Sex. What was the last sentence of my goddamn tweet? Well, you said, my bio. You say they pay money, but y'all call it a relationship, so. It's just, what's the difference? Listen to it. Look, McDonald's is cheaper than therapy.

Never forget, you're paying for sex indirectly, but the word relationship changes the narrative. Well, some of I'm charging too much then. They didn't cut the price. Y'all just saying they need to cut the price deal. I'm just saying, you see how words, who's the goalposts, depending on the word you use? And it just makes no sense.

I could be wrong, or I might be overthinking. Psychologist. I don't know. I'm just trying to, like I said, I ain't can look here. Psychologists and therapists, that's under the same umbrella or no? Yeah, pretty much. It's rough. It's rough for everybody.

But, you know, what? It seems like a lot. I guess because you look at the only fans, that's men, military women, that's women. ID administrative, that could be either way, a lawyer. I mean, I mean, a woman don't want a lawyer. I thought they like, you know, someone that's dressing up every day and going and arguing in front

of court and winning these big settlements and all that, bring on that bread. I mean, if you're a man, you want somebody, I mean, oh, I want someone educated. I want somebody. yada yada yada you know so i'm just trying to figure that out a police officer we already got to the the pilots they're on the road also and yeah i saw i saw that dins i saw that denzel movie so you know flight yeah right flight was good man great that was a good movie uh a football player what wrong football player i don't know i don't know what they're talking about i don't even know i don't even know i don't even know why that's in there i don't even know why that's in it because

football players are great men they are good men Good. Good men. Good. Not only are they good men. Yeah. Good in the community. Yeah.

Most of the players got foundations. I mean, think about how many Walter, or Walter Payton Man in the Year? Yeah. And what they do in the community, raise hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars for their charity. A politician.

Okay, I'm a little politician because they lie. Yeah. Listen, you can't be a politician unless you lie. Exactly. You got to be the greatest politicians lie because you have to do one thing. In order to get the vote, you have to promise us. Promise stuff that you would never deliver. You have to promise the people things that will never ever happen.

And you have to make us believe it. The greatest politicians are great at that. Yeah, lie. Making empty promises that are never going to come to life. I agree 1,000%. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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Yep. I agree. I ain't even curse. Yeah, you concur. I was going to. When? I've been controlled. Don't worry about.

We fit to keep account on it. Oh, chat. Keep a count on it. Y'all good at counting because I got to. I didn't curse the whole show today. I ain't even curse. I'm going to let them handle that. I got other stuff to do.

I got to get us the end and out of conversation. I got to read these topics. So I'm going to let the chat handle that. Faith, who's one of our most trusted and loyal followers, Faith been here from the junk. Huh? She's a Maud. Hi, Shannon.

My amigo Ocho. Even when you go to McDonald's, you choose a side. I believe if you read the art of war You'll learn how to craft an argument Without drawing blood from your brothers You got this, Ocho Yeah Art of War

I like that book I'm actually, Art of War is sitting over here On my bookshelf Hey, you ain't read it What? That's Mr. Gladwell, ain't it? That's Sun Tzu. Nah, Art of War

That's Mr. Gladwell. Hold up. Or am I tripping? Are you tripping? And Art of War, Mr. Gladwell? No. What the hell you're talking about? It's one of the most quoted books.

If you're a football player, if you do anything about competition. I thought, I thought of Malcolm Gladwell. I'm looking. No, I don't know. I might be wrong. I don't want to get up. No, you got to get up. Absolutely wrong.

I don't know a whole lot of authors, but I know who that was about. I got that book. Listen, Malcolm Gladwell, Robert Green, and it's one more. I got a bunch of them over there. But, okay, that's another. I like what she said. I like what she said. I like what she said.

Sudden, you. Oh, the art of war. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't, I don't have that one. I don't have that one. That's a great book. But you know what I'm talking about. Right.

That's a great book, Ocho. Okay, I got to get that. Baby, for Christmas, give me the art of war, please. Hey, hey. And just, I mean, just read it. So, I mean, it's a long book. But it has some great, it's about fighting.

It's about knowing when to fight, knowing when to retreat. It's about knowing how to do a lot of things. Get in and get out. Yeah. That underscore one underscore operator. Ocho and Ocho and O'K, what's the most you have to spend on a date with a female? I mean, I'm in a different place now, Ocho. I mean, when I told a story in the beginning, I was a rookie.

I ain't have read like that. I got bread now. I'm secure. Oh, when she tried to get that lobster? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was looking to, you know,

I would look at it to be, crack me a couple of legs like hard to do. That what I'm going to do. And see if all the king heart being can put them back together again. But I had got nothing to do it. That was a long, long time ago. I don't even behave in that now. Nicky Graham.

I think Nick has been one of ours also. And she's been in from the jump. Nicky good people. Nicky, make sure we get your question. I ask this question to you guys, to every guy I know. So I'm going to ask y'all, what's the sexiest thing a woman can do to do for you?

I have the answer on the guy, because every, every guy is different. Everybody got different. Don't be by no, look here, don't buy no lingerie. I don't need that. Don't go to Lapelle. Don't go to Lapearlah. I mean, Frederick's Hollywood.

I mean, that's nice. No. Or Bicky's Secret. Don't even go to a cousin Susan's seat. No. I want you to come in coverage of that room. Mm-hmm. A T-shirt. You don't think of that.

That's all I'd be. That's it. That's it. Listen, for me, I am. That ain't going to last but too. How long do you think that stuff's going to stay on? I mean, honestly, come on, chat. Y, I mean, women, and I ain't got no problem with that.

I understand that you want to, you want to look good for your, for your man. You want to feel sexy for your man. I get all that. The only thing I'm thinking, I'm in my head. I'm just counting. One, because I need to leave it on for at least three minutes, so she feels good, so she didn't just waste the money. So I'm counting, she's on three,

four, ooh, thank you, God! Ooh, girl. Yeah. Sick. God, dang. Ooh, girl, you sure, oh, you did it for you boy this time, baby. You got a fake. I don't know. Yeah. All I'm doing is counting. I'm just trying to make it to three minutes. Yeah. Because the national

As soon as she walked in the room, I would attempt to tear it up off her. Right. Yeah, I'm just being real with it. Now, I don't know. Now, I'm just speaking for me. Now, some men might want, they want me to have on a different outfit,

you know, black. I mean, hey, okay. But for me, honestly, hey, I just, I just, I just need, hey, now don't, hey, I do like some sexy underwear. I'm talking about, look at Ocho.

Right. Ocho. I ain't talking about the underwear. I got to hook my hands in like the head to pull them down. I'm talking the one I put my thumbs in to get them up. Right, right. You know, you got the one. I can't tell you what you got.

Also, you know what you got to hook your hand on. All for these fingers and trying to get them up. Does it get down? No. I need the one I get the thumbs. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what?

I'm pretty simple when it comes to that. Real, real, really doesn't like this. I like when a hair is messy. I love when it hair's messy and all over the place. Damn. She doesn't like that. To me, that is sexy to me. When you have a bonnet on, it's weird.

I don't know where it comes from, but I have a fascination for her when she has a bonnet on, or she has her hair wrapped up. That is sexy to me. I'm a her rapping. One thing I always ask, one thing I always ask,

and I've ended relationships for this. Always have your feet and nails done. Always have your feet and nails done. I don't care about nothing else. I don't care about nothing else. I have my favorite colors. And real notice, OPI Funny Bunny, OPI Esi Blanc. Those are my colors.

If you want to go cotton candy, I love that too. Because of your complexion, you know what, look good as well. You know what dark colors, because it bounced well off the complexion based on what you're wearing. I can go into detail about this. You're doing too much, I really love that. I ain't a lot. I get, hey, when you come in there and you dig it and I see the half quarters, I go blind. I don't even know if you got arms or not.

I don't know if you got feet or nothing. I don't play. I don't play about that. Me either. Listen, them feet and nails and just a tank top. That's it.

I don't need all the underwear and like Frederick and and I mean, and I ain't trying to hear. I ain't trying to hear all that. Yeah, I mean, look, at my age, Elcho,

and you, at my baby Elcho, I don't see all the crotch list, you know, the onesies and all that. And it's nice. Don't get me wrong. Right.

But, oh, she ready, she ready regardless. Right, right, right. You come in a, Hey, you coming in with a strong hat, you come in there with some blue jee. Hey, you come in there with some flip-flop. Oh, it's going down regardless.

Howdy, though. Ooh. Hey, what kind of hat? A strong hat. Hey, you have a two-piggy mouth on a lot, I care. Hey. That's funny. Hey, at that point, Diabot, though?

That's funny. Your name could be Rosalie. I don't get nothing about the name. Nothing. What it do, baby? What to do? Clock in. You may they did?

Look, and I, listen, I don't want to come up with like, I'm ungrateful because I appreciate her trying to. Right. Like, I want to make, I want, I want Shannon to know that I appreciate him. And I took my time to go pick this out. I think this is his favorite color. I think he's going to really, really like this. And I am. I don't give it wrong, but

that's why you got to know your man. You got to know who you're dealing with. That's very, very important. You got to know who you're dealing with because what someone else was like, the person you with might not like it. One time. What you did in your past relationship,

the next person might not like it. I think they call it love languages. Yeah. You got to know that individual love language. Oh, my goodness. Love languages. Yes. You do.

You know, you'd be on the same page. If you're on the same. same page, y'all get to turn each page together. Yeah. But one time, now, you could do it one time. But that ain't no normal occurrence. Every time, every time, every time, but that was, oh, too, every time we, we, we go somewhere or, you know, we go and, you know, you're changing.

I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm on a clock. Oh, I can't be stared at until no midnight, no one o'clock waiting on you to, the fresh and all. Hey, come on. You come up by the gym for all I care. I'm really. Right, right, right, right. Right.

So. Oh, that's laugh. So, Nikki, I hope the sexist thing a woman can do for me is, come on, baby. When she said, come on, baby, I'm with it. You know what time it is. Real, where you at, Real? Send us some money.

She sent us $50. Baby, send us $1,000 real quick. If you love me, if you really love me, baby, send us $1,000. God dang, Ocho. Sent us a thousand. Earl Carwell said, Ocho and, how did do y'all deal with failures and disappointment? man. I had a golden opportunity, everything laid out and messed it up.

Hmm. I know what that feel like. You heard me? We've all... You heard me? I know what that feel like on. Oh, yeah. Go ahead.

Failure? Hold on. Failure. Failure? And messing up? Boy. Go back. Went right back to the drawing board. Right back to the drawing board.

I ain't hanged my head. Went back to the drawing board. Put together a plumbed. plan, a six-month plan on what I want to do and continue to chop and chop and chop until I hit that goal. And I had to start small in small increments. I had to start small in small increments and go from there. Because it was building blocks for me to get back to where I fell from. And it took time.

So I started small and it gradually, as I started to have success in small areas, I started to make those goals a little bit bigger and continue to reach them over and over and over. And, boy, it's a tedious process, too. All we need is a little discipline. It is, Ocho. I look at it like this. There are really no failures.

They're just delayed successes. Boy, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You need a fit to give me that good gym. I think I can't write that job. There are delayed successes, their lessons learned. You see, the thing is, Ocho, is that I'm a firm believer. You never judge a man by where he's standing because you don't know how far he's come. See, you look at the man that's laying on the street, but how about what if he was under the bridge just yesterday?

So you judge a man by where he's standing, not knowing where he came from. You see, a lot of people say, well, Shannon, it's either for you to say that because you're this, but you didn't see from 1968 to 1988. See, that's what you didn't see. And you didn't see Shannon go to bed hungry. And you didn't see Shannon not take a bath. And you didn't see Shannon get rained on. And you didn't see his granted crying.

Asking, what am I going to pay for today? Do I keep the lights on so you can do your homework? Or do I keep the phone connected so we can call somebody if there's an emergency? What am I going to do this month? So while you judging me for what I am now, do you know where I can't? from. Then did you know how long it took me to get here? See, all you see is my successes, but you didn't see the delayed opportunities that was missed. Crodomina nights. A lot of people pray. This is not about me because I know my sister prayed. I know my grandmother prayed.

And they're praying for, and God heard prayer that I didn't even know he was listening to for me. To know what my grandmother, my grandmother raised her nine and took my mom three and I put it on everything. She loves our us, her three grand, more than she did her own. It's something for somebody to take somebody else's kids and love them as they're your own. So for me, there are no failures. The Broncos didn't want to resign me. The Ravens cut me. CBS cut me.

Fox cut me. That ain't going to stop me because I know God got to. something bigger. You close one door, there's another door open. Sometimes he'll make you move because you know what? You weren't going to do it on your own. He said, you know what? You need, I've been trying to tell you to leave

but you wouldn't leave. So guess what? I'm going to give you no choice. Not what you're going to do. Come on there. Come on, Preacher. So for me ain't no failure. I'm a huge success. I left Glenville, Georgia. Population

3,500 when I was there. A thousand square foot, send a block, 10 roof, no pamela. A thousand square feet, sometime, 10 people at a time, no endo plumbing, no running water. And to get here, man, please, because I already know. I know God will never leave me, because I know he didn't bring me this far just to bring me this far. He's going to take me all the way on. And no matter what they say, they can't stop it, progress must progress. So whatever they say about me, he's loud, he this, he that, y'all can't stop it.

Because what's for me, I'm going to get, regardless of what they say, regardless how many time they use my name, no matter how many times they say they don't like me, it does not matter. Because I've got a high purpose, because I know there's one man. I don't know how many women. I don't know how many men, but I know there's one man that knows what's in here. Yeah. So all that other stuff they be talking on, Joe, all them fair. See, everybody sees the successes. Everybody see what, man, look at, man, he,

seventh round drive pick, you know, with the Pro Bowls and had all the records. Because when I left the game, I had all the records of the tight end. Most yards in a game, most yards for a career, most catches, most touchdowns, had it all. Three Super Bowls had it all. And a gold jacket. But you didn't see all the time. that I came up short.

But that one going to stop me because I saw a bigger purpose because I laid next to my grandma until I was 15 years old and I saw her cry many a night I saw her prayer many a night and I had no idea

what she was praying for. But I believe right now she was saying, Lord, take care of that baby boy. He can be something. So that's what she prayed for. So that's my purpose. So they do all that talking they won't.

All that gossiping, They do all that they won't. I know me. I don't care about the people that don't know me and don't love me. All I need is the people that I care about to care about me. All that other stuff, Ocho, don't matter.

Yeah. It don't matter. We spend too much time. If you really understood how little people actually thought of you, you give less than a damn what they actually thought about you. Because they don't care about you. You worried about somebody that don't care about you.

I worry about the people that care about me. That's what I care about. All that other stuff, old show, we need to cut that out. All that gossiping, I don't talk about nobody. Live your life. Because whatever you do, don't take money out of my pocket.

So why I care? I ain't got time to gossip. Talk about you for what? Because you don't move the needle for me. You're not putting no money in my pocket talking about you. Why would I talk about somebody when God has blessed me tenfold more than he ever should have.

Right. I hadn't been this good, but I've done something right in my life for him to continuously bless me. That's all I care about. There are no failures. Just delayed successes. That's how you have to look at life.

Maybe you didn't get the woman you like. Maybe you didn't get the job you like. Maybe you didn't get the man you like. Maybe you didn't get the promotion you that you like. But keep fighting. Keep hanging on. It's coming. It's coming.

My grandfather always said, boy, sunshine follows rain. Even Noah, it rained 40 days and 40 nights. But guess what, Ocho? The sun came out on the 34th day. That's something I always believe. No matter how stormy it get, the waters will be calm soon. So no matter how rocky my road is, it's smooth sailing ahead soon, no joke. I believe that.

Yeah. I'm sorry for the red guys. I'm sorry. That was good. That were good. That was good. Listen, I appreciate that sermon. Ray.

Real. Did she send her some money? No. She said she broke. She said she bought you a gift. And she said, hey, she said, that's all she got. So you ain't, as a matter of fact, you ain't enough for your birthday because you went all out for this criminal gift.

She. Lady Ray, who's also been one of our loyal listeners. Shathing in Ocho, if you can change or get rid of one NFL rule, what would it be and why? Amazing show, as always, guys. Man, that's a good question. What rule would you get rid of? I don't even know. Ocho, I would say the uniform rule, but you know how we are, Ocho.

What's wrong with the uniform? Because I'm saying, you know, let the guy, my college coach said, I can't let y'all go. He said because y'all will come out here like an all tournament team. You're going to have on ponies, you're going to have on Nike's, you're going to have on Adidas. Yeah. You know what I mean. So we got to have a uniform rule because we already see guys now, Ocho. Some of them come out there with socks.

Somebody got orange and blue socks. Somebody got all white socks. Somebody got tight. Right. Y'all kill them. You know what, Ocho? As much as it, as much as the rules, they've legislated. the intimidation.

They've legislated a lot of the physicality out of the game of football. I think it's good. We're at a different place. Because when you know better, you do better. We know some of the hits and the punishment the guys were taken was leading to injuries.

Now, you play an inherently dangerous game. That's what football is. You can't look. You can only make the car so safe. But after you get to a certain speed, still things are going to happen, Ocho. You got big men running into bigger men at a high rate of speed. The dimensions of the field hadn't changed.

I mean, look, I get it. They don't let you do the wedge anymore, Ocho. I think they still had the wedge when you got in. Where we have three in the wedge weighed a thousand pounds. You get two of your biggest defensive lineman and one offensive lineman and they're holding and they're coming in and try to wipe everything out. They did away with that. The running start on the kickoff.

I used to get 10, 15 yards, go full speed. speed. But I think celebration. As long as the guys didn't do anything that was sexually insinuated or they didn't do anything that was violent

related, you know, the folks, slash and all that, you know, all the guns. The celebration, I'll let them celebrate. Let them celebrate. Now, I ain't going to let you bring no phone because you already know if you let people celebrate to the extent that they wanted to, somebody calling an Uber. Somebody going to have a pizza or a

burger delivered. Ocho, you know they would. I'm waiting. I'm just waiting for somebody to have a burger. Go to the side and grab the bag and start eating a burger right there on the side of the field. I'm thinking, I'm trying to think of a rule, a rule I would change. Like, because I mean, the rules are so

lenient now as opposed to when I was playing. I mean, they're out there celebrating. They're doing group celebrations. They're hitting the temptations routine on the field. They're doing it. Because back then we couldn't celebrate. Also, you couldn't celebrate as a team. You had to do it individually because once somebody, hey, man, back on.

Bro, you're about to get me five thousand back up. Back up. Yeah, I mean, I just, oh, man, I don't know. I just, I like the way football was played during our era, you know. It was football. There was a certain intimidating factor that defenders were able to impose on, on offensive players. And with that being gone, I think everybody's a lot more comfortable and relaxed we're just doing anything out there, like the one-hand catches.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know that because the rules, Ocho. Hey, man, you wasn't been to be parading over the middle of the field like that. You might have did it one time, but I bet you wouldn't bring your ass back. Listen, I'm catching and making a business decision, just like Isaac Bruce and Torrey Hope and Marvin Harrison. Who would have come up? I'm catching him down.

Hey, I had a pill. Hey, they kept a pillar. As soon as they caught that ball over the middle. Yeah. They sleep. Hey. Business decision. You got to.

You got to. All those guys would, I mean, you see Marvin ain't no size now. So you can imagine. I mean, and what he has now, that's kind of like old age weight. I mean, elder, you know, he's got in his 40s now. That ain't know. That ain't know. Yeah, he close to be.

He's probably about 48. 40. And I think Marvin came out 90s. Marvin was in that 96 draft. with Kishon and Musa Muhammad and all those guys. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm okay. I'm okay with that.

Yeah, I get frustrated because I think some of the stuff that they call it is that, like, when you call stuff like the receiver, like Armand St. Brown got hit, man, you charge that man $43,000 for that? That ain't no $43,000 hit. Coming down and just buttoned up on the safety. Yeah, that ain't no $43,000 hit. Somebody lad in their pockets. Go here.

Okay, Jay Smart got asked, oh, if. If you were ever in a situation where Ray Lewis hit you, how would, like he hit Ocho, how would you react? The way I did when I got up from a whoop him. Yes. You don't even remember that. You told me, I hit somebody. Hey, man, look here, man, when you outweighed, you got, you got to catch them. You can never let a guy bigger to you see you coming.

I tried to catch him. He wasn't even looking. It ain't worked. That's why. The laws of physics have, the laws of physics are undefeated. Now, in that case, I should have won. But I tripped over my shoestring, and it caused me to lose leverage. So when you have no leverage and I have no base up under me, that's what made me fall.

A Volkswagen bug going to lose against a dump truck every time. Every time. Every time. You ain't a lot. Bingo said, love the show, guys. Ocho, when you and T.O. going to come out of retirement and help my homes reach the Super Bowl. Oh, don't tell T-O.

T-O be a T-O-O-Bee, O, what they play at tomorrow? They play in Kansas City, because if they do T-O-B-O-O-be-on-T on a play right now. Boy, T-in-Shap, too, boy, mess around and put T-O-N-A-T on that team in the slot. And watch what happened. T-O-C-T-O-C-A, hey, he said, hey, he said, hey, he said, Sean, man, I ain't, hey, I ain't go get you no fidgets now, but I get you 15 good ones. I said, man. Hey, Aguilow, I said, Tio, I didn't, well, after like my mind, Ocho,

because you know, like I said, when CBS called and I met with them, that was the first time in my life I actually thought about doing something else other than playing football. It changed me because that's why they say you got to be careful talking about retirement, because if you're not, you're careful, you'll retire yourself prematurely. Yeah. And so that was really the first time that I thought. about something. And then afterwards, man, I was out of that thing for like two,

but two, like, they go to training camp. I saw them because I had a photo shoot the day they left to go to training camp. So I was having a photo shoot the next day. So I went by and saw the guys and everybody was out, happened to see me. And Mike even told me, he said, hey, 84, I know you in shape. So if you ever change your mind, we got a spot for you. I said, Mike, I appreciate that. Mike. I say, but I, my mind is elsewhere now. You would shake. You were checked out already. I was already checked out. And so, man,

hey, Ocho, man, and I told you, I said, T-O, bro, you ain't took no lick. Even though it's not as physical as it was when you left, I said, but you ain't took no leg. I ain't talking to you. T-damning, they're bigger than all them boys right now, man.

All the linebackers undersized, they move sideline to sideline. It ain't really, I don't know. The physical aspect of the game is gone to where that don't even count no more. You can't even say that. Ocho, just people falling on you. Sometimes, Ocho, you know, sometimes guys falling on you.

It wasn't a hit. The guy just 250, 60, 70, 85, guy just landing on you. Hey, just falling on you. That's it. Come on, bro. You ain't have to fumble. Come on, man. You could have just touched me down.

Man, they jump on you and everything. Come on, bro. They ain't even necessary. That's a good one. Prometheus 1906 donated $100, Ocho and Unp. Could you fellas wish my dad a merry Christmas. He's currently deployed and watches every one of your episodes. Our family laugh and

joke about you guys on the daily. It would mean a lot. I don't know your dad. I wish you to put his name in here because we want to, he's deployed. We want to thank him for his service. And we want to thank all of our military men and women for their service to keep this country because you allow us to do what we do because you do what you do domestically and abroad. So thank you for your service, sir. And wish you a Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year.

Look, he said wish him a Merry Christmas because another time, we have to be politically correct. We couldn't say Merry Christmas. We got to say, Happy Holiday. Well, when somebody said, wish my dad to Merry Christmas, I'm going to wish his dad to Merry Christmas

because that's the way he presented to me. So Prometheus 1906, thank you. Your dad, Merry Christmas, and tell him thank him for his service. Apache Hall, could you wish my grandmother Gloria, a happy birthday, happy 72nd and 28th birthday.

Hold on. Can we sing happy birthday or we're going to get free oflex? No, no, no. She raised into the man I have a day. Happy birthday. So happy birthday, granny. Happy 72nd birthday. A grandma, Gloria.

Happy birthday and many, many more to come. Hopefully you, I don't know what you wanted for your birthday, but people ask me to say, what you want for your birthday. I say I want God to over my eyes. After that, I take anything else. Bad Shannon, what you must be looking forward to tomorrow. I don't know about the rest of y'all, but that's what I'm looking forward to. A.R. A.A.C. say, hey, Ocho, the greatest rock runner ever

and the greatest ever of my life, my wife's birthday is today. Can you wish her happy birthday? We watch every night. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. We don't know how old you. are. We don't know your name, but happy birthday. Happy birthday. Oh, my bad. Sorry. Richard Lee.

I don't know. I think I knew a Richard Lee once upon a time. Ogunocho, what makes a great route runner? That's a good one. That's a good one. For me, obviously being able to run the entire tree, being able to run the entire tree in man to man, being able to get from point A to point B as fast as possible within the timing of an offense and just getting open consistently.

I think what makes a great run run for me is imagination. Because you can't run it every time just like they drew it up on the sheet, Ocho. They got guys putting hands on you. Hey, go to 10, the guy standing and they, what you want me to do, run over the top of it. You got to have imagination. I've got to be able to be creative in my technique and my thought process. to do exactly what Ocho said. Get from point A to point B as quick as possible.

But that's not, that's the easy part. Now, transition, get in and out of that break. Because we've seen guys, and they throw that blink on, blinkle, blinkle, blinkle, and here come that DB driving and knock it down. You got to be able to transition, drop me. Get in and out. That's it. That's everything.

That's the whole thing. is being able to drop them here transition I ain't never slip on the speed out I ain't never slipped on the cross on a basic cross I'm on the head

Ojo I'm on that page I bought it bad what yeah I'm dead that's crazy oh Joe you boy had more moves than the only fan woman

you know what I'm talking about Ojo I had moves like that you had move like that you better stop playing with You had them kind of moves? I was a route running extraordinary at the tight end position. You have to understand, Ocho. I got drafted as a wide receiver.

So I could run the route. You already had the pedigree. It was already in you. Yeah. So Mike didn't have a problem putting me out there running the bang eight. Right. Running the comeback. Running the dig.

Run the shape. Wait. You was out there running the bang eight from top of the numbers? You better stop playing with the back foot back. You got to stop and bang. What? Yeah. Ocho, you.

Okay. I got to see that. You better stop. Run the shape. I got to say that put it. Mm. But, Ocho, come on.

I got to see it. You know, ain't nothing wrong with that. Just pull it up for me. I can find it at NFL films. Don't worry about it. Boodoo Lobster 79 donated $100 and asked. Uncan Ocho.

Where would y'all rate? Max Versteppen, 2021 2003 F1 season in terms of all-time domination he won his third straight title won 19 or 23 ever 23 races which is the most

in the season most points ever in the season doubling his teammate who was second look uh shoemaker was it I remember Michael Schumacher uh hopefully he's doing well he had a very tragic accident um that left him in a situation

a skiing accident uh Lewis Hamilton I know of him. I don't know these guys. But, and that's all, that's as far as I go back is Schumacher, Lewis Hamilton, and and, and, and, and step it. Come on, bro. 19 and 23 races?

Mm. 19 and 23 races. That's crazy. That's great. I don't even, I don't even, I don't know. I think you drive for Red Bull because I think Lewis Hamilton is Mercedes. Yeah, you were Red Bull. I was, I was the F1.

I just, was the F1 in Vegas. I was an F1 here in Miami. great experience. Yeah. Great experience. I want to go to Monaco. I want to go to Monaco. Monaco.

Monaco. Monaco they got one in Monaco, too. Where do they got? Lamar's. I thought it was Monaco, no? They might have what Monaco. Monaco? You'll love that.

You'll love that. I just, to me, like, I just, I don't feel right in that environment a little bit. Lamar's friends. that environment it's uh it's very oh too i've been to you know i've been to obviously Super Bowl go ahead yeah go here it's very

how do I say it very like Beverly Hillish very oh they got money there yeah there you go there you go there we they got long money they got yeah they got yeah they got they got Yazza mean you know yeah that just that wasn't my type of type of type of environment but I enjoyed the experience

that I was able to to see, you know, those cars up close like that. Brandon Robinson asked, Uncanoncho, who's your greatest running back receiver? I got Marshall Falk. Yeah, I mean...

Damn, that's a good one too. It's going to be interesting to see... Excuse me. We'll see Matt, Christian McAfrey, ends up. But in my era, you know, Marcus Allen was one of the ones that could catch the football play 17 years. You never...

I mean, Al wasted a lot. of his years doing him wrong, had him running full, had him blocking for Bo Jackson. But Marshall, LaDainian, L.T. had tremendous hands. Oh, I forgot about L.T. Yeah, he's the first to rush, I think L.T. rush for like 1,000, one year and caught 100 passes. So that just goes to show you what type of running back that he was. But probably, Marshall, Roger Craig was the first to do 1,000 or 1,000 in the same season.

For the 49ers. High stepping ass. Yeah. Harrod. Yeah, but probably Marshall because I think Marshall is because I think Marshall could have been a receiver if he wanted to

because he had that da-da-da-da. Yeah, I'm getting up out of there. You know who a guy, I don't know if you know him, Eric Metcalf from Cleveland. I don't know Eric Metcalf. We're number 21, man. Yeah, Joe. Yeah, man. Hey, Cal was like that.

Cal came out of a year before me from Texas. Man, you talk about a pretty running style. Yeah. Hey, he had to run track, huh? Yeah. That's what it was. He had that pretty track running style. Like a paladin pride.

He'd be stepping on him. But he, hey, that ended out and get gone on you. Sir Kate King says, Uncunotio, love the show, huge fans. Two questions. Is Fred Taylor Hall of Fame worthy and how good with B. Dawkins? I called B. I only played against Dog once.

And if I'm not mistaken, I think it might have been his rookie year. 98. The B. Dog come in in 98 or 97? Because I played against him in 98 when he was at the Eagles. And I think he was a rookie. So I didn't have a whole lot.

I didn't have a whole lot of dealing with him. I'm a lot older than guys, man. I'm 55, man. Yeah. I played against B. Dog once. Yeah. And the Fred Taylor question, without a doubt. Yeah.

Without a doubt. 96? Yeah, okay. B Dogg came into 96. I played against, we played against the Eagles in 98. That was the year we followed by back-to-back Super Bowl. I mean, we beat them so bad. I came to, I couldn't tell you anybody.

You know who was on that team then? Actually, he the DB coach at the Cowboys with the trailer. Al Harris. Al Harris. I ran a quarterback. I ran a campaign. I'll come back on it. Pull that up.

And I ran a comeback on him and jumped over his head. I don't know about that, boy. I got to see that. Oh, Joe, I caught the ball. I was so hot up. He split my legs. He went underneath. I could pull it up.

Are you sure it was Al Harris, Green Bay Packets to Al Harris that paid the model of the side of Mike McKenzie? I know I'm just, I'm saying, are you sure that's the same Al Harris we're talking about? But you're the other than it'll find it. ran a comeback on him. You jumped over his head? I went up there, he went up, I don't know. All I know I was so high up, he's like, hey.

Yeah. Hey, chat, somebody got to find that footage from me and tweet it to me, please. Put it up. Chop it up and see him and tweet it to me, please. I need that. Francis Senia. In 2023, if you see Ray Buchanan in a snowstorm. and this truck is broken down

and yours is running perfect when you pick him up? Absolutely not. Well, it better not be no snowstorm in L.A. If it's a snowstorm in L.A., some stuff really about to go down, some something wrong.

Some really about to go down. But, man, I hadn't seen, I hadn't seen Ray in probably 25 years. Damn, for real. Yeah. Especially with social, media, social media bridges the gap was easy to communicate with anybody.

But a lot of the people don't be on social media like that no more, Ocho. I mean, we act on on social media because it's kind of kind of like our job and, you know, kind of get a feel of what's going on out there because we never know. I like to feel, you know, you never know what we're going to talk about on here

or what we're going to talk about on first take. So you kind of trying to stay connected, but nah, I hadn't seen Ray in such a time. Shauna King said, Uncle Ocho, y'all got TV

networks, execs scared. Your podcast did the future. Look, the thing that I've tried to convey to Ocho is that, look,

we've got to get a, got of thinking that linear TV is our only option. Because for the longest time, everybody wanted to be on television. Right.

But pretty soon, television is basically going to be live events. The network's going to have live events. And this is kind of where it's going. I mean, because you get

Netflix, they want sports. You see Amazon. is already into the business. Apple is looking to probably, you know, who knows what they're going to do with ESPN or maybe start their own thing because when you got $700 billion in cash,

you can do a lot. So all we try to do, what we try to do is try to give you the best. We try to give you the best analysis, the best entertain, the most information that we possibly can do, be. And we try to give it to you in a way

that is true, but it's funny. It's kind of like comedians. Comedians take live true events and make them funny. Okay, we take stories and although Ocho is sharing stories and they make you laugh. I share stories that make you laugh.

But, and we say things in football term, we talk about football. I mean, yeah, there's a time to be serious and there's a time that we can joke. And I think the thing, we have a great balance of that. And so,

thank you, Shonda. I hope so. But I just, just try to look I'm on I'm on television two days a week I go there Ocho I bring my hard hat I bring my lunch pelt and my work boots yeah they give me an honest they give me an honest day's wage I give them the honest days work I come home and I start preparing for this so that that's what I do I give them what they ask for they ask two days I give them two days they were like hey Shannon can you do this Thursday and Friday

that's that's I operate Ocho but I'm gonna know like man Well, what happened if he, I don't know what the ESP is going to do. I don't know. I signed a one-year deal and we'll, we'll see. Hopefully they like, hopefully they like what I'm giving them. And we can work out something long term. But, but I tell you what, I got club, Shea, and I got a nightcap. So we got something, Motel, we got something.

Yeah, we're going to be straight. We're going to always be all right. Nightcap going to go where need to go. It's just like Noah's all. Everybody better get on board now. It's too late. they're too late but i tell you what a lot other people go to the format that we're using is that you know this is that that's that you can have a format if you want to it's only one unc and

it's only one oh two you don't matter what format you have it's only one of us so no matter what you do it's not going to be the same it's not going to hit the same it's not going to feel the same because it's not us no it's different there's a certain chemistry there's a certain certain energy and in an aura that we have. It ain't for us. It's just fucking, it's authentic. It's organic.

They can't tell stories like us old show. No, man, it's not, man. They can't. You can't replicate that. You can't. They can't.

And the thing is, I've lived long enough. I have a perfect because I grew up in the late 60s, early 70s. So I have a different perspective than a lot of people. There are not a lot of people that grew up in the era that I grew up in that plays for. play them at the level that I played and be able to communicate

to cross a couple of generations and people like, okay, I don't sound like an old a old show could try to be hip. Right, right, right, right. I'm not a new kid trying to live. I lived it. Because the thing is, Ocho,

I've been their age. I've been 35. 35-year-old ain't never been 55. Hmm. I like where you're going. I like where you're going. At the end of the day, just be you.

What you see is what you get. That's what I am. What you see is what you get. Yes, I can be serious. I can be funny. I know a lot of different things about a lot of different things. I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything.

So, you know, when you ask me about Max, that stepping, hey, like I said, I go back to Michael Schumacher and I go to Lewis Hamilton. That's what I know. And I didn't think, I didn't think, you know, I didn't think anybody could be Schumacher. And then here come Lewis Hamilton. Yeah. And then I didn't think there ain't nobody going to be, you know, in the Mercedes-Aid. And then here come, let's step in the Red Bull.

And they take a lot, man, they took a lot of money to run those cars. Yeah. Boy, you know how much a car costs? Ocho, do you know to fly? It's not like they're going from, they're going from Talladega to Bristol, you know, to Hampton, the Darlington, to Charlotte. They got to put on a plane. That's crazy

Yes And to move a whole team They make a lot And they make a lot of sponsorship though huh It got to be a lot of sponsorship money Because they Because people watching

Yeah That's crazy But you know the king The cash cow right now NFL And the NFL do about 16 billion a year Woo

What do you think F1 do a year That's a good question They said Like I think NFL's like I saw something they said like

there's a couple of things that do like 10 billion a year. Okay. But right now the NFL is king, man. It came. And because you got Amazon bought the Thursday night

and you saw what they did. I think they paid $100 million to do Black Friday game. Yeah. 100 mil. Netflix, say they want to do some live events. Man, Ocho, I remember this was 1999. I used to go to this girl that did my nails.

She said, she said, could I, you know, we just sitting there talking. She said, you ever heard Netflix? I said, nah. She said, 99? In 99. Because back then, you order, you order the DVD that you want, you watch them, and then you send them back. She said, you know what, I think it'll be a wise investment for you. I said what you think will be a wise investment money.

She said, I think you should invest in Netflix. I see, really? She said, yeah. She said, I mean, you know, I don't know how much you make, but you probably can invest like $2,500, $5,000. She said it just like that. Damn. Hey.

Remember, remember Blockbuster video? Yeah. Who do you think put Blockbust out of business? Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. In 2022, F1 saw his total revenues, $2.57 billion up from $2.14 billion.

So that just goes to show you, NFL did 16. So NFL did seven times $7.5. So seven X-D. That's crazy. It only getting bigger. Only getting bigger. Does F1 continue to grow the same way the NFL continues to grow every year? Oh, Joe.

It's a big, it's a, oh, Joe. They went from 2.4, 2.14, 2.14. the 2.57. So basically they put about $400 million. When the NFL increase, they do it in billions. Hmm. I mean, the cap, in two years, you watch the cap.

The cap would be $300 million. In five years, you'll have some, you'll have a player making, a quarterback making show Aetani's money. 700 million? He'll be making $70 a year. They're not going, I don't know if they give you,

It's not going to be guaranteed, but I'm saying on paper. It'll look like showy. Because you got to realize four years ago, Pat McHawne got $4.50. And we thought, I have a billion. We're like, a half a billion. Right. When team, you could buy teams. Mr. Boland bought the Broncos for like $65, $68 million.

Oh, that's crazy. Yes. The numbers are, that's. Yes. And in return, Jamarion World said, Uncle Ocho, I'm about to turn 21. I got same birthday as LeBron. Any advice for these next couple of years of my life?

Love the channel. Thank you. Bro, what you want to do with your life? What you want to be? At 21, you still enjoy yourself. You got to enjoy yourself. Got to have fun. Don't take life too serious at 21.

But have a plan, though. You got to have some type of plan, have some type of structure or something. But 21, you got to, you still enjoy yourself, man. Still enjoy yourself. You got to, but you got to have a plan. You got to have a little structure, a little balance. Yeah, yeah, a little balance.

It's a little bit. It's a little bit. Most 21-year-olds, you know, most 21-year-olds, it's all. It's fun morning, noon night. Fun, morning, noon night. And it's a routine, and the routine gets stuck in your 20s, when you're 21, and you stay in the same routine, when you're 23 and you do it so goddamn much,

you never break out that routine. And by the time you look up, it's too goddamn late to do any goddamn thing. I'm looking at it like this. What does he want to do? What does he want to be? What's his plan? Because of me at 21,

I was a senior in college. And I had eternal vision. What could help Shannon get to the NFL? What could help Shannon be the best he could be his last year? in college. That's what that discipline coming up. A lot of people ain't had the got the goddamn discipline, especially when you're young, to focus on long term because you're stuck in the now. That's the problem. It's the now that make you got them the now people being stuck in the now that should pass you right back because you think you got all day. Oh, Joe, when I was in my teens

in high school and college, my body was in Glenville. My body was in Savannah. My mind was a thousand year miles away. I knew there was something out there bigger and better for Shannon Sharp. And I had to get to it. I had to see it. I had to experience. And I had to bring Mary Port and I had to bring my family with me.

That drove me. I'm coming almost to the point of it. That's all I thought about. I didn't think about anything else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did stuff.

But I was. focused and the greatest compliment that guys that I played with, they pay me. When they don't say I'm the best player they ever played with, they say I'm the best teammate. Nobody was more disciplined than Shannon. Nobody was more determined and dedicated than Shannon. The very first day in 1986, I stepped foot on Savannah State campus. We had practice. I said, I'm going to the NFL.

I said, y'all going to bull, John, but I'm going to the NFL. Man, shut up. You ain't going nowhere. It's okay. Yeah, all right. First year, Ocho, you know, I started a little bit. My second year, that spring practice? Year two, it was a wrap.

So I make Black College All-American. I make Black College All-American. I'm the only true sophomore on the team. And I'm a conference player the year, offensive player of the year, obviously wide receiver. So we go to the Sheridan Black College All-American Banquet. As a matter of fact, the guest speaker was Jane Kennedy.

You all know about Jane Kennedy. But everybody in this chat, anybody that's my age, anybody that's like 45 to 65, they know by Jane Kennedy. Now, this thing for the light up, Jane Kennedy was Hallie Barrett before Hallie Barry. Yeah, she liked that. Y'all, but... Wait, James Kennedy? Jane Kennedy. She used to be on the NFL today on CBS.

It was Jane Kennedy. It was Irv Cross. it was Jimmy the Greek, and it was Brent Musburger. Chad by a lot of, they don't, hey, whew, but anyway, so we're there. So my coach was Bill Davis. They got Coach Rob, they got Coach Willis, Coach Jeffers, Morphote, who else is there? They got Coach W.C. Gordon. They got, I think, a gunsling, Arch Cooley, all of them there.

And so they're talking about, well, you know, Vincent Brown, they called him The Undertaker, went to Mississippi Valley State. And he said, oh, this boy really good,

yada, yada, yada. Coach Davis looked at every one of them. Coach Davis said, I got the baddest in here. And he's a sophomore. I say, all,

he said, all them guys that y'all name, they can't hold account to this boy. It made me feel so good that he said that every last one of them that was playing

in the All-Star game, call it the Freedom Bowl. Right. I'm going to be better than you. I'm going to be better than you, I'm going to be better than you, because my coach said he would lead it. That's how I thought, if I heard my coach say something, Ocho, I had a medial collateral spraying.

I was a sophomore in high school. I was like 5-7-155. I was small. Like I remember, I told you, they used to call me peewee. So I hurt my knee, and they took me to the doctor. And I was 5-7, and the doctor, I never get a name with Dr. Dewberry, James Dewberry. So they x-rayed my knee. He said, he looked at the coach.

He looked at me. He said, Coach Hall, that's going to be a big man there. I'm looking. I'm like, how am I'm going to be a big man? I'm 5-7-155. He said, he's going to be a big man. So now I'm like, I go home with my sister. The doctor said, I would be a big man.

You know, I'll be a big man. Right. Man, Ocho, I started getting to college, started eating three a day, started lifting out of iron. Yeah. I got you, you know, Ocho. I got huge older, but discipline is everything. You're not going nowhere without discipline. Without discipline, you can't do nothing.

At all. You lost. It don't matter what it is. Without it, you can't do anything. Chat, they keep an count, four curses. you owe $8. I ain't. What you?

No, no, no. They're messing up. Listen, this, when I do this, when I do, she, that ain't cursing? Yeah, the cursing. $5 in the jar. T.J. Gamble, oh, goat James drop out of tonight. How long do you think he can play at this level? Fias, my wife loved his show, best wishes to you and yours.

Man, he was sensational in a nightmare. I think he was what? What was he? 13 of 19, 13, 13 of 20, 5. of five of five from three, eight, nine of nine from the free throw line. Who they played? Who they played?

They played OKC and OKC. He had to stop the bleeding. He had to stop the bleeding because they was hemorrhaging. I think they had won one game since they had won the end season tournament. And I believe they put a lot of emphasis on the end season tournament because if you end something, I might as well win it, Ocho. It's like, you know, hey, it's like I go to college.

I ain't just go to college. Yeah, I majored in eligibility. but since I hear I might as well get a degree. Hell, I'm here. Why not? And what I'm looking for, they're going to be in the class. They're not going to be in my room if I'm skipping class.

Right. What the, they're in class. Right. So that's what I need to be in the front of the class. Every Friday, sport coat on, briefcase, I'm going to be somebody. Right. That's my mind.

I said, I'm going to be somebody. That's what a real, Jesse Jackson. I am somebody. Yeah. Believe it. Oh, real. Oh, real. That's Jane Kennedy?

Damn it. Y'all know by Jay and Kennedy? Who know by Jay and Kennedy in the chat? I had to pull it up. I see it on the cover of Ebony Magazine. Yes. Father than frog here. She was in Jet Magazine, too.

You remember Jet Magazine? Of course. Had a centipode on my wall. The Jet Centiphone? Beauty of the week. Yeah, I put it on my wall when I was in college. Okay. I didn't hear I show there.

Hey, if I ever, hey, they never let me get no money. I'm going to get me one. Or two, three. But, you know, I'm going to have me one. You know, I, I mean, I'm like, where am I going to meet these women from? You know, they like,

You know, back there, they're from New Jersey, they're from California. I'm like, oh, yeah, I had everybody, I mean, most of the guys, most of the guys, I mean, I went to an HBCU. So obviously most of the guys, it wasn't unique that I had. But, hey, I'm cutting the debut of the week. I put it up on my wall with that's got his tape on the back. Right, right, right, right, right, right. Mm-hmm. It said, Martreille, Virginia Beach said, where would y'all race your door Sanders?

looks like the best quarterback since Andrew Luck. Keep going. He's not coming out this year. This is really a crowded. This is really a loaded draft class of a quarterback position. Yeah. I want to see him with some better protection. Oh, he has some outstanding receivers.

And as Prime told us, he got some more dogs coming in. He said, but the main dogs, he get on the O line and D line. But he can flat out through the football. There's no question. There's no question. I think you guys saw it. He could spend the football. So I'm going to be surprised if he doesn't go in the first round in the 2025 draft.

I'm going to be shocked. I'll probably be shocked if he's not a top 10 pick. I was with, which commit was that I was with today? Seaton. That was one of the, one of the old linemen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a big boy, boy. Yeah, that would you need.

Just call me. Chris said, Married Man, me and my wife, Rose, subscribe to the channel and love the show. It's her birthday week.

We, damn. I don't know who started this birthday week. Would love a shout-out, much success, to Nightcap, Uncan Ocho, we tuned in. Hey, Chris,

Rose, happy birthday week. Man, what y'all do? I mean, when did this become a thing, Ocho? They like, you know,

like the Indian family, like these prominent Indian families, they have, they get married at weddings, and they have weddings, and they have weddings, and they go on a week, two weeks,

month. But I was saying when did we start having in our community? When do we start having birthday weeks? I think women, I'm not sure. I think it's women that started that. It's, no, you, I think women have started having week, birthday month, a week, birthday month.

Well, they're going to have Oprah or Kim Kardashian or Beyonce money. Right. I ain't funny that. It's, it's a Libra season or whatever they call. I don't, I don't know all those fucking. seasons or what oh shit that damn it yeah oh that phone five right there oh joe go to drop two a dollar off than that pop my bad my bad but but um not i lost some train of thought because i

were trying not the curse man oh you can't hear but yeah women women love that it's about birthday week they're talking about their birthday month this they season and they celebrate the whole month they do i'm trying to come on now that ain't come on that ain't come on that ain't what it was supposed to be oh joe yeah i'm happy i'm happy man my birthday come. My birthday is on January night coming up. Real and be trying to do stuff for me. Going to dinner, I say, man, listen, you know I don't like that. Don't throw me no party. Don't invite no people. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no party with my money. Get me a cigar. Get me my cafe going to let's say from a Cuban spot. Let me sit on this patio

and listen to my Sinatra or my Michael Bouble or my Harry Connick Jr. and let me relax. I don't want no extras. My prayer, I say that prayer at 1159, right before the night. ninth hit, man, that's enough for me. Thank God for seeing another year because there's a lot of people I know that ain't make it. Yeah. I'm trying, hey, you know, my birthday, I'm going to try to shake the cover this year for dog for sure. Well, you're going to shake the cover.

I'm trying to shake the cover for a dog. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. I like that. Shaking the cover. You know, you know, law, you let me see 506. Yeah.

I'm going to shake the covers, huh? Am I? I got to use that. I don't know you old. You used to take the rug out and hang it over the clothes hanging and beat it with a room and beat the dust out of it.

You ever did that old show? No, I ain't did that one. I like that. Hey, Chad, y'all know anything about that? Taking that rug outside and hitting it with that broom and dust fly everywhere. Yeah.

That's what I'm trying to do at 2.06, 26, 24. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna out the dust off. I like that. I like that. Hold off. Hold off until then. too now.

What? Yeah, hold off until the end. Man, I'd be like Sherryl with what you call him, my toe, Sherman. You get all that, you'd be wooling, wooly, woole it.

Make your head pop up. Daniel Dubois. Can I get a happy birthday song for my girlfriend? Happy birthday. Her golden birthday. No, her name is Jessica

Cahill. It would mean a lot. Jessica, Happy birthday. I don't know what number it is. But happy birthday today and many more to come. Hopefully you had a very lovely evening.

Enjoyed it. There's something that you like and you were surrounded by family, friends, and loved ones. So happy birthday, Jessica, and many more to come. Happy birthday, gang. Happy birthday, twin. Sharma Mabel said baby girl been tuned in since birth. Can y'all wish you a happy five month? Five month.

If we need a babysitter, holl at me. Yeah, happy birthday. Hopefully, you know, my grandson turned a year on LeBron's birthday. You know, I got me a little baby goat. Okay. Yeah, yeah, he got me a shirt. I'm going to wear my T-shirt. You got a, you got a pop-a-a-tshirt.

I like that. I'm going to wear that. I'm going to wear that on a heads up. I'm going to wear that on Monday. Brandon Atkinson, I'm transferring the UFC to be a walk on any advice. UCF, University of Central Florida. That's out there in Tampa, ain't it? Yeah.

Tampa, Orlando. It's one of them. I get them confused. I don't know. I think it's Orlando. If you're walking on, what advice, you know what you need to do. Yeah, you got to come on with it.

You know what you need to do, especially if you're walking on. We played them in my sophomore year. I did a number on them, too, Ocho. Central Florida? Yeah, I did a number on them. They must not have been good back then. They were good.

I don't know they came to see. They had a receiver. I think his name was Bernard Ford. Showed him up. All I needed to know, hey, who the best play over there? And what position does he play? Because if he played wide receiver, when they lead his game, they're not going to be talking about it.

They're going to be talking about the other guy from Savannah State, number two. If he's a DB, he got no chance. No chance. Zero. What is less than zero? A negative integer? All I need to know, what position did he play?

Now, if he played D. Lyman, I can't do it. I can't, I can't expose. But no matter what he played, whatever the best player was on the opposing team, Mocho. Right, right. When they left, I guarantee you that they won't think about him as highly as they did before I came into that game. I bet you that. See, if I was a DB, I would have locked your ass up, man. I like, I like that kind of talk.

I like that. Ocho. Yeah. You, you. Ocho, I wouldn't have to be played with, Ocho. I wasn't allowed to you. I wasn't allowed to be played with, Ocho. So can you think about this, Ocho?

Think about this, Ocho. I'm going to think about it now. Think about what I did in the NFL. Now, think about what I'm doing at the HBCU. You think of the same thing. You ain't got no business there. You're right. But why I'm here, I'm a wreck shop. Yeah.

And everybody had to see me. They still talk about it. people at Morris Brown, Moore House, Clark, Fort Valley, Albany, Georgia Southern, Elon, they still talk about

that number two at Savannah State. Hey, if you play receiver, right? I sure did. So I want you to think about this. You know, I'm a better DVD than receiver. Like, I mean,

I'm just telling you, I'm a better DVD than receiver. I'm just thinking about if I was lined up on you, like how you would have been able to maneuver because I'm so like, let me, let me give you a little example, right? Like, I'm so, you see, I'm always square like this, here. That's what I want you to do.

I'm always square, you know? So I want you to be able to have a two-way go. You can't pull and rip because my base, my quads is right upon me, right? Oh, Joe, you too light. It ain't about that because as you coming forward, I'm backing up out of there anyway, and I'm giving just a little bit of ground, and I'm going to make you reset the line of scrimmage every time. And as soon as you get ready to go,

whom, I'm stabbing. whichever way you go, I'm stabbing, I'm riding the hill. Who, chappoo? Me? As soon as you, as you said, oh, Joe. I'm pulling you at the hip, though. I'm pulling, as soon as you put that left or right out, I'm trying to break it. Nah.

I'm trying to break it. I'm just telling you, I'm trying to break it. I'm ready. I'm trying to break it. I would have been in your hip pocket, boy. Like pocket change. Ha, ha, ha. Last two questions of the night, guys.

Thank you. I'm sorry we couldn't get to your questions tonight, but we really do have to try to answer them all. Chad, answer his sleeve. The rainbow dime drop. How important is that on the deep ball pass? I think Kenny has that. Explain what the rainbow does.

Rainbow drop pass? On the deep ball. Oh, why you call that rainbow? You don't want to put that much in all that. The chimney throw. We let him call it. We call the chip to throw, you know, dropping it down, you know. Obviously, when you try to give the guy as much room as you possibly can

from the sideline because you don't want them to always have to pinpoint it. You know, I don't know what your deep ball, what your deep ball was. That's a problem now today, you know, for receivers. Most of them always pin to the goddamn sideline instead of getting a nice release, instead of just, they always just widened and letting the DB ride them off. to the goddamn sideline and not giving the quarterback no room where he got to make almost the damn near perfect throw. Because almost every time.

Oh, Joe, if you think about it, once the guy releases, he's still, he's keep getting wide instead of stacking him and putting him in a trail. So now the quarterback, he can throw it here, he can throw here, he can throw it here. Whereas before, like, if you just keep getting wide, he'll ride to the sideline. He can only throw it in one spot here. Right.

Mm-hmm. And so what we tried to do, we try to release, stack him, and know the ball is going to come 42 and 4. 42 yards down the field, four yards from the sideline. Some people are 44 and 2, 44 yards deep, two yards from the sideline,

but Mike, the way we were taught it, it was 42 and 4. 42 yards deep, four yards from the sideline. Every time, you know what's funny about that. No matter how fast you was, that ball always landed at the right, at the right time,

at the right time. Right. Because, you know, the guy, that's where the trash can comes in at. So you put the ball at 25, you put it at 30, you put it at 40, you put it at 40, you put it at 40,

to and you try to throw and you try to throw the ball you try to put it in that trash game so because that's that's where you that's where you're going to be and so you had to set it up because knowing I'm not even I'm not even you know what I'm not even looking until I get like 25 yards I'm just digging I'm getting why I'm releasing outside and now I'm trying to get back in front of him I'm trying to stack it because I want him in a trail position knowing that John's going to drop it in there I don't like that. Patrick Willis said, Ankenocho,

if y'all had an opportunity to call a sporting match, what would it be? Call a sporting match, what I would like to call? You know, I would look, that's a good question. Maybe play by play since I already said that.

Oh, I love that. Well, you mean, sporting event. What you want to call? You want to call play by play, you want to call basketball? play by play football play soccer play by play you want to do a tennis soccer soccer soccer football no soccer or boxing okay i like that uh uh i want to call a match wimbled on center court oh that's nice

oh center court i want to be on center i want to see here then you you you call an alcaraz and joker i hate that i didn't see federal play you you know you see roger play in person I got, you know, I got, you know, look, obviously I've been to the, I've been to a World Series game seven. I've been to an NBA finals. I've been to, obviously, the Super Bowl. I went to the U.S. Open. I saw Serena beat, uh, the Great Dane. What's her name?

She just, she just got back. She married Keith. I mean, uh, Leet. I used to play for the, uh, Golden State Warriors, the Knicks. Uh, what's her name? Uh, war. the Warriors, the Nakes. He played for the Warriors and the Knicks.

What's the name? They call it a great day. But she's the two. Oh, yeah. Wosniakie. Caroline Wosnyi. I saw Serena play her in the U.S. Open semifinals on Saturday night. So there are a whole lot of things.

I want to go see the Olympics. I need to see the Olympics. And I need to see a woman to match center court. Then I'm good. Maybe go see Daytona, too. Boy, listen, Daytona. You've been to a NASCAR race before?

I have. I was at, I was a grand hour at Watkins Glen. I started the race at Watkins Glen. I love that, man. That's a road course. Yeah, I've been to Charlotte. Obviously, you know, I've been to Tadona. I've been to Homestead.

I love sitting out there, man. And they ended it. Man, people don't realize how loud those cars are. I love it. And how close they are going 200 miles an hour. Not an hour. Love it. But they have to, and the bank, and the bank is so steep to keep them from.

You know, you know, you can drive. You could drive in Daytona, you know that, right? You haven't done that yet? Uh-uh. You get in the car, you get in the car. They put you, they have you in the ear. Oh, yeah. And they're able to control how fast you can go.

I want to go. They, they bill, oh, no, they bill you up about 18, 190. Oh, you know, I do this. I do this every night, Ocho. Does anybody know what this shoe is called and why is it special? There's a reason. Now, we're going to see the real sneaker heads. What's this shoe called and why is it special?

Because they made it in two different models. But why is this shoe special? If I had to take a guess because I don't wear, I don't know what those are, but especially because it has the gum bottom. I don't understand. You don't know about no gum bottles? I don't wear, I wear Jordan ones. That's it.

I don't have any of the other ones. You don't know about no gum bottles. You need to stop, Ocho. Who told you? I want to know who told you. Nobody. If you don't wear nothing but ones, how you know about the level?

And how do you know about the gun bottoms? Because I'm looking at the gum bottom. And let me finish. Anytime I see those shoes, the bottom is always white. That's my point. So who told you? Well, obviously, if the bottom on those aren't white like they're supposed to be based on what I'm used to seeing,

that must be would make them special, the gum bottom. Ocho, it's the fact that you said gum. That's the part. You think I don't know what gum bottoms is?

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