The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Brock Purdy Stumbles + The Great Nutrition Debate

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the 49ers losing to the Vikings, the crazy weekend in the NFL, more first date etiquette, and whether nutrition is real.  #Club #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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History. Six times pro bowl player. Six should have been seven. Bengals ring of famer. Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. Ocho, what's going on, bro? Man, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good.

I'm happy. I'm glad to be here again. It just is something about the day. I was excited and just waiting for this opportunity to be on the show tonight because I got so much to talk about. I have so much to get off my chest. And that's pretty much it. I'm ready to go. Before we jump into the topics, please make sure you

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Nightcap is available. Unc and Ocho. The Vikings, hand-niners, the second straight loss, 2217, Brock Purdy, 21 of 30, 272, one touchdowns, two picks. Kirk Cousins, 35 or 45, 378, two touchdowns, one pick. Jordan Addison had a night when Justin Jefferson was out. nursing that hamstring injury. He had seven catches, a buck 23, and two touches.

What was one of your big takeaway from tonight's game, Ocho? My biggest takeaway from tonight's game. I said it before the game even started. I tweeted out. I said, Jordan Addison and Hawkinson have to have a day. They got to have a day. As long as Brian Flores and the defense did what they needed to do, they did just that.

McCaffrey, well into the third quarter, didn't have over three yards of carry. didn't have a they stifle they stifle kiddles until i think what maybe late in the third quarter he had a he had an overrout that was his his longest long catch of the day the defense did their job two interceptions but offensively i think the most important thing on why the viking won the game of course they scored but on third down they were above 70 percent well into the fourth quarter on third down being able to to get those first downs and keep those drive going and score points.

It's one of the reasons why they won the game outside of the defense playing some goddamn good football. Yeah, the 49ers could not get up to field on third down. And that's when you lose the game because you give them three more cracks at you. You do a great job. You can stop them on first down. You stop them on second down. And you're like, okay, we're one down away from getting off the field,

giving our offense an opportunity to get back. And they could not get up to field on third down. But it seems like to me, Brian Flores, what he went to this game, said, you know what, Christian McAfrey's not running this football. We won't be elite Brock Purdy. We want the ball in his hand, and we want him to throw the ball.

And, you know, they got that swing past the McAfrey. They caught him in a blitz on the backside. They swing it out. The rivalry would see, we do a great job of blocking. Yeah, blocking. Murphy got to make that tackle, man. Murphy, Murphy playing around.

He got to make that tackle, man. But what did you take away? I'm looking at defenses, and the way they're going to approach the 49ers, especially with no Debo. And Trent, because I thought, they did a great job of protecting, considering Trent wasn't in there.

But they shut down McCaffrey and the run game and put the ball in Brock Purdy's hand and says, we don't believe you can beat us. Right. I think, well, you know what? Not only did they believe that he couldn't beat us, they did a great job, obviously, of stopping the game, but the secondary played really well as well, played really good as well.

Being able to stop kiddos with Debo being out, obviously, Trent Williams, Trent Williams not being in there. They did a great job in the secondary. I'm not sure what defense Brian Flores ran tonight. I'm not sure what it was. He played a lot of man. Yeah, that too.

But what is that telling us? What is that telling us? Brandon Ayuk is out there. Are we saying that they can't get open against man? Well, he played, I mean, Brandon Ayuk, he caught some passes. I mean, they were going to him early. He did a great job. And Jennings got going late.

But it was in between, you know, the turnover. It seemed like the 49ers are drive about to open the game after they pick off cousins early in the ball game. They're driving down the field. McCaffrey costs it up. And instead of getting seven, three, out of that drive, here comes Minnesota back. They put a drive in the end zone.

And so instead of being up seven nothing, three nothing, you find yourself down seven nothing. Yeah. One of the balls sailed on, one of the balls sailed on Brock. I think it might have been a dig route. I think it might have been a dig right. He was trying to throw it.

It sailed a little bit. And once, I can't remember his last name. What was his last name? I got the intercept. Once he got that second one, I knew I had a feeling it was going, I had a feeling he was going to throw a pick because whenever you put the ball in the quarterback's hands

and you have to score at that point defensively, you can cheat a little bit. You can cheat a little bit because you know they got an inch their way down the football field and I just take one huge chunk. Right. But when you look at it, you could tell early on that the ball was sailing on him.

He threw one early to Kettle and got Kiel hit in the groin. So the ball was sailing on him early. And so it felt like, you know what, it might be a problem tonight. being able to control the football. I'm surprised considering they're at work, they are indoors and there is no element that's in play.

Right. You have a 72 degree controlled environment. So I thought he would have better control of the football than what he showed. But give the Minnesota Vikings credit their defense. And how about cousins, 35 or 45, 378, two touchdowns, one pick, and playing well in a prime time game. We know. No, Justin Jefferson.

No, JJ. No, JJ. We know we beat him up when he plays bad, primetime, Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday night. But tonight, he was the main reason. Can we call him elite? For tonight? I'm just asking you, based on, listen, numbers don't lie.

Numbers don't lie. Oh, Joe, but we got to stop. If a guy has a good game, he's elite. If he plays bad, he's a bad. Can we, what is Kirk Cousin? I'm just asking. What is Kirk Cousin's body of war? showing you over a decade.

Have his body of work showed you that he's elite? No, he's been up and down. But what Kirk has showed us is that he's capable of playing consistent football in making sure and giving his team a chance to win. He just hasn't crossed over that hump yet. But he's consistently consistent in the regular season. He's good enough to get there. They just haven't gotten over that hump.

Good. Hold on. Good enough to get where? Where exactly there into the place? Layoffs. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, they always on the verge for the past 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. He just, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like right there, right on the verge. Right on the, right on the verge. What's wrong with being in here? Okay. If he leaked right here and the floor is right here, why can't a guy be in between there? Why do they have to be this or that? Okay. Okay. But listen, he's not, he's not that far below when you. you talk about the floor.

He's right, right underneath the tier one quarterback. He's right there underneath. Based on the body of work that he's put, that he's put up the past decade. He is. He is. All right. 49ers had three turnovers in the first six games. They had three turnovers tonight.

And remember when a team is down some of their best players, if you're a better football team and you turn the ball over, either you go down to their level or you raise them up to your level. One of the two, whichever one you choose to do, But that's what you do when you turn the ball over. But give them Minnesota credit because they turned the ball over also and they still found a way to win this ball game. One of the things that they were able to stop

and there was no sign of, brother Nick Bosa. No sacks. They didn't really get pressure. I thought they would do a brother's job of pressure. Yeah, I would have thought they would have. And the fact that Kirk Cousin was able to sit in the pocket with bodies around them and facilitate the ball at will was amazing to see.

And the funny thing about it, this entire week of football has been weird. Would you consider this upset? Yes, absolutely. The 90s were a seven-point favorite. Not only were the 90s and seven-point favorite, the Patriots beat the bills.

The Steelers beat the Rams. Obviously, and the Vikings just now beating the 49ers, who would ever thought? I know a lot of people, a lot of gambling and betting people are upset at the slate of games that happened this week. Well, this is one thing.

watching Kirk Cousins through the years, we know that you got to pressure him. And this is what, look, this is not earth-shattering news. I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming, telling you something you didn't know. Most quarterbacks, when you punch them in their mouth, it be, when you talk about the greats, Montana, Brady, Manning, L, way, whomever, when you pressure them, you greatly reduce their success rate.

But Kirk Cousins, we know it's either magnified because those elite guys, sometimes when you pressure them, they still will look down the barrel and make a throw. But we've seen cousins over the years. He kind of foes, he succumbs to a lot of that pressure. But tonight, they didn't get pressure on him. And his stat line shows that they didn't get pressure on him. 35 or 45, 378, two touchdowns in a pick.

So in this division, do you think the Vikings can give the Lions trouble? Because I think the Lions, I think even though they lost, handedly yesterday to the Ravens, I still believe that this is the Lions division to lose. I think it is still the Lion's division. The Lions are playing really good football right now, and I think even though they're coming off of a loss, they're going to respond extremely well in their next game.

The Vikings without Justin Jefferson aren't beating the Lions. And I think even with Justin Jefferson coming back and them having to work him back in slowly, even though he's coming off injury, I think it's too much ground to make up to actually unseat the line. and winning that division. Too much.

Too much ground to make up. Okay, it was announced today that the Miami Dolphins will be featured on HBO Hard Knocks. I guess it's for the rest of the season, right? For the rest of the season. Obviously, they have a compelling storyline. Mike McDaniel, hey, he loved to have fun.

They do his interview and he takes off running. He's very animated on the sideline. He's very jovial. You got two in his story. You got Tyreek in that track team. So I think it's a very compelling storyline. you and I were both on the show. I was in Baltimore in 2001

and we kicked off hard knocks. You were on the fifth and the seventh season. Talk about some of your experience with the cameras and having to try to offer the fans aglamps of a day and a life of a player that's in training camp, being a veteran player. Listen, that was one of the best experiences to me, obviously allowing people to see what it's like inside,

inside of training camp, seeing the way the worth ethic that not just I put in, but my teammates, what goes into day-to-day practices, our schedules as far as meetings. Obviously, the cut-throw part of the business, obviously, you know, when it's time to get cut. But it was fun. It was very fun.

Just being myself, being authentic, being my agornic, organic self. And I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. It was the birthing of child pleas, one of my sayings and kissed a baby. and some other stuff like that. And then just allowed people to see a different side of us

outside of seeing the finished product on Sundays at 1 o'clock and what I like to call the politically correct interviews that we do on Sundays at the games. I think that that's hard knocks is really good because it shows the different side of all the players. Yeah, it gives you an opportunity that the players getting ready, the meeting time, how much meeting time, the prep work guys getting massages and the guys getting in the cold tub

and the guys doing things to get ready because you break your down, you break your body down, and then somehow you've got to get it back together for the next day at practice. And the difficult side, some of these players' dreams will go unrealized. You made it there, but this is as far as it goes.

And the realization that my dream of being an NFL player is not going to materialize. And now I've got to branch back into the real world and you had a great run. You were probably a pretty good high school player, good to great high school player, had a very good, excuse me,

college career, but that next level isn't going to happen to you. And sometimes watching the guys, because you get close to some of the guys and you see how hard and how much work they put into it and then to realize that, you know what,

it's over now. Yeah, listen, that's a tough job. That's a tough job to do, especially for coaches. And when you get there, when you hear that knock on the door, you know, and say bring your playbook, man, that's, man, that has to be one of the worst feelings. And the fact that obviously Hard Nucks is cut it out.

I think, I think they cut out that part where they show people getting released now, right? They no longer show that. I don't think, no, I don't think they do. It's honest. It's just, it's just the truth of the business. And it's just the way it is. Obviously, my childhood dream, it wasn't even to be an NFL player. I wanted to be a veterinarian.

I wanted to be a marine biologist because I love dogs and I love killer whales. But the fact that grandma, obviously, with football, being my outlet and something for me to do based on the area where I was in because it's either you're playing sports and there's no other route. I definitely want to be no academic scholar. I can be honest with you. I'm just going to be honest with you. Which is going to be that. Hey, listen. But listen, listen, grandma is the reason I was able to make it, man. And that day, when I saw that name, when I saw that name go across that ticker. Yeah, she was the, she was the first one I went to, man, and I told her, I say, Mommy, we made it.

Man, she told me, listen, this is just the beginning of your journey. Right. This is beginning. And then it starts all back over again. It's an entire different set of goals that I had to set and conquer. Yep, you're absolutely right. And that's what a lot of times I tell the guys, I say, this is the end, this is the beginning.

So now this is step one. You're here, making the team. Now, is it just good enough that you made a team? What do you want to be? I didn't want to be a guy just. the guy. I wanted to be the guy. I wanted to be depended on. I wanted the guys, I wanted people to have my

jersey on. I wanted people to like throw the ball to Sharp. I wanted my team and say, hey, man, get that thing. Man, get that thing in the Sharp. Get that thing in the Sharp. That's what I wanted to hear. It wasn't good enough. Like, I'm on the team. Oh, yeah, I play for the Broncos. What position do you play? You know, do you start? What do you do?

No, no, no, no. I needed people to know. I needed when my grandmother turned the TV My sister would turn the TV on to the channel that we're going to be on that she knew her baby was out there. Yeah, Lee, I saw my baby. He had a good game. So that's, for me, that was my goal.

That's what it was. Not just getting to the NFL because I'm always dreaming, but now that I'm here, I can't go back. Right, right. Listen, I had no choice to go back because, like my grandma told me, I got in trouble at Langst University and I got thrown out of school. And I told you I came home on the plane and she said, I wash my hands with you.

I've done all I can do and shipped me to my mama. There was no coming back. So once I made it, once I got the opportunity in NFL, there were no more doors. There were no more doors I could walk through us. I had no choice but to make it work. And of course, I get drafted by the Bengals. At that time, we were the laughing stock of the NFL. And I got my homeboys in the hood.

You know, we're in Liberty City. We celebrate. It's like, God, Lee, Ocho, well, you went to the Bengals. they laugh and they're like, listen, give me a year or two, and it won't be so funny. I said, give me a year or two, and I will do all I can to make sure we're not the laughing stock of the league, but I will make us fun to watch again. I will give that city and those fans something to be proud of. I will make people happy and feel okay wearing jerseys, Cincinnati jerseys outside of Cincinnati.

And I think I just did that. Obviously, the end goal is to have a Lombardi trophy, but that's a team. team, that's a team achievement and accomplishment. I fell short of that, but everything else I lived up to. But going back, what was I going back to? The reason I fought so hard was I didn't have to go back, go back to visit, but I wasn't going back to stay. There was nothing.

There was nothing. There was no gravitational pool. And that's what I didn't understand, Ocho. I had guys, I had teammates in college when I got to Savannah State in 86. And I remember there were guys, and even I can remember, guys that were very talented. but they're like, man, sharp, this ain't for me. Man, I got to get back home. I mean, B, it was a good.

I mean, I had a couple of teammates that had girlfriends back home, and they were homesick. You serious? Time out. Are you serious? Yeah, D-8, dead ass, yes. They had to go back.

I had a teammate, I had a teammate that was so good. He went to, he got, he went to the league. I ain't going to call his name because I'm not going to embarrass him. But he wanted, he wanted, he wanted to come back and hang with his homeboys. You want to come back and hang with his homeboys? You dead ass? He was good.

He was, his feet, his feet was as good as any DB that I faced. I'm not saying he was the best DB that I faced even with him league, but his feet, the way he could get in and out of breaks, the way he could flip his hips, but he wanted to be with his home boys. Help me, help me understand. I've been playing the game of football since I was four years old, having a dream, obviously, of re-year-old.

obviously of reaching the childhood pinnacle of my dreams of being an NFL player and getting the opportunity to do so. And his first thought was, I want to go home and hang on my home boys. But see, that was your dream. I'm not so sure that was his dream. He happened to be good at it. He was good at it in high school.

He was good at it in college. But, I mean, at a certain point in time, you have to make up your mind. How good do I want to be and do I want to make this a career? Right. Because you know once you get that level, everybody was all conference, everybody was honorable, mention, All-American, the best got a Buccas. And see, the thing is, Ocho, and this is what I tell people, whenever you come to the Broncos or whenever you came to the Ravens, whatever award you won, we had to see what it deserved.

Whether you were the Buccas, whether you were the Thorpe, you won a Heisman trophy, you were an All-American, I needed to see why. Right, right, right, right. Hey, that's hard to picture, man. That's hard to picture. I'm trying to wrap my head around, even though, even if that wasn't his dream, to be able to reach the pinnacle of being one of the one percent. Like, how do you say that and want to go back home?

Go back home and do what? How many whole boys you had in high school? That was talent. Yes. It dropped out to smoke weed or dropped out to sell dope. I know, I know people going to see this. That's from Miami. I had so many people from Miami Central, from Miami Northwestern.

Keele in high school. I can go through so many schools where people were much better than I was. I was decent. I'm like, I like to call it, I was a late bloomer.

I was a late bloomer. There were some dudes that I knew were going to the NFL that were much better than me. And for whatever reason, I don't know what happened. Obviously, once I left the college, you know, we all lose track.

At some point, we lose track of each other. But dude, there are people that I looked up to in high school, to this day, I can name them off. I wanted to be like them growing up.

Magic Benton Markeith Cooper Cedric Cherry Snoop Minnis Lynn Coleman Um Wait hold on I can go

I got chills Just not right now Think about some of them dudes Man Tutu Atwell Um I can keep going Man it's so many dude

I want to be like All them boys And I look up to them And one of the reason Um Not Cedric What's roll Man what's the name?

What's his name from Norla, man. No, not Samari, because Samari played with me. Remember, Samari was a scene, and I was a freshman at B. Chai. Okay. He played receiver at Omar Roe. Okay. O'Marole. Play receiver.

Like, I wanted to be like them. And one of the things that kept me going was watching them play when I was younger. And I just wanted to make it. I just wanted to be like magic. You know, I wanted to be like, man, oh, my goodness. Tyrone Butterfield, Ronald Washington, all these dudes. Like, I'm like. oh my goodness, I want to be like them.

And I think the drive and me wanting to be successful like them is what got me to the NFL. And still to this day, I ain't seen these boys in so long, but this is one of the few times I've been on a platform to tell them they're probably going to see this man. I appreciate y'all because they is part of my motivation. I just would, I never saw them to be able to let them know. Yeah, I think the best part about hard knocks.

Let me get back on subject with the hard knocks is that. Yeah, my bad. My bad. No, no, we're good. That's the one thing that we do. We get to talk about what we want to talk about. I mean, hey, look, people, you tune in for the football takes, but you stay for the stories. But I had, because I thought, like, kind of like after we did it, it kind of like a lot of other people wanted to get in the limelight.

I give Brian Bill, like, I give Ozzy a credit for this. It's about the players. So, Goose, myself, rest of peace, Goose, Ray, Ward. It was about us. And let's give us an opportunity to show our personality. because a lot of time it is about playing pranks. It is about playing jokes on one another in doing things. I wish you could like, if they could have a, when we were, when, when I went back to Denver,

how we used to steal teammates car, drive them off like, drive them like a mile. You can see it in the distance. We take, we lead, we lead a car running with the doors over. So now you look up there on the head, you look up there like, man, man, sharp, man, why you do that? But I don't know what you're talking about. Bro, I may practice. how I take your car way up there and leave it on running with the doors open, man.

And then when they get out of the battery dead. You know what I'm saying? Or we would take their clothes, give them in the cold tank. When they get out, put them in the freezer. When they get out, they steal. Man, ain't nobody did this, but Sharp. I know.

Bro, why Sharp did everything? Why, I got to be the guy. Y'all blame me. They got me good in my rookie year. I never forget. I had an IS-300. I S-300. And first car ever.

First car, obviously, I didn't have it. I didn't have a car until I got to the NFL. I had a little small, little I.S. 300. And they turned my car on, roll the windows down, and somebody took the fire extinguisher. Mm-hmm. And they sprayed the fire extinguisher and let it off in the car. So when I woke up the following morning, the entire interior is all white. So now I come out, I come out, I'm 38 hot.

I'm like, yo, I go to coach. It was Dick LaBeau at the time. I go to Dick LaBoe. I say, Coach LeBoe, man, somebody. playing around with my car, man, I just got this. Like, what are we doing? And then he explained to me how it goes on in NFL, your rookie is a part of the haynes.

It's a part of the routine. Boom. Same day. Same day. I go to practice. My clothes I wore to go to practice, I come in. They soaking in the cold tub. Yep. They didn't put my clothes in the cold tub. So now I'm hot and I want to fight.

And then until I find out, it's the goddamn de liming. It's the goddamn D-Lyman playing jokes. I ain't one of no part of that. Yeah. I ain't want to part of that. I mean, we do all kind of stuff. I mean, we guys be like, okay, you know, because we like to wait until the last minute.

We already got our pants on. And so we know we're going to grab your pads like the late. So we're going to put powder or we'll put water in for your shoulder pan. So when you reach up there and pull them down, yeah, dump it on you. Or I nailed a locker shut. So I go back, nail the locker show. Locker shirt, they can't get in it.

What about the baby? What about the baby powder? Oh, yeah. In your helmet? The baby powder in the helmet. Are you put the helmet on? Oh, we put a warm snicker bar in your helmet. Yeah.

And you put it on. Dude, be out of sweating chocolate and everything. Hey, but that was it. I mean, look, that was the get through. But you know, but you knew who to do that to and who not to do that to. Oh, not to. Oh, yeah. Yes, you do it.

It definitely caused a fight now. It gets ugly now. It definitely calls the bike. So you know, you knew who to play with and who not to play with. Sean Payton says he got sushi with the family even though he doesn't eat sushi or he doesn't like sushi. He says, I'm driving home last night heading to get sushi. I don't like sushi. And I find myself circling around the pocket lot.

Why can't I be happy? Well, you're searching for the perfect game. I'm just that way. I'm a good team player here. my wife likes it, my kids like it. Hell, everyone at the party likes it. So I'm a team player. My children would never take me to a sushi restaurant.

I barely even order alcohol in front of me. Are you that big of a team player that is something that you don't like? And most sushi restaurants, that's all they got. It's not like they got a diverse menu that you can choose from. Okay, you know what? I want a burger. Okay, you know what? I think I'm going to get a chicken.

Most of the time when it's sushi, that's a food. that's kind of what the menu, because I'm not so sure you're going to a restaurant that has a diverse menu that has sushi, has burger, has pizzas and stuff like that. So you're kind of limited when you go to a sushi restaurant. Are you a team player?

Yeah, I think I'm a team player to an extent, but if my team and my family and my wife and my kids actually love me, I don't think they will put me in a position to take me somewhere where they know I'm not going to enjoy the food. That's including my woman too. I would hope, you know, you don't force me to do something just so you could say, well, if you love me, you'll do it. Well, if you love me, you wouldn't have me doing something that you know I don't like before you met me.

Right. I would hope so. But I understand what I understand what Sean is coming from. If the kids like it, if the wife likes it, that's a part of marriage. That's a part of being a relationship. It's called sacrifice. Sometimes you got to do it. Yeah.

I mean, you're right. You're right. It's tough, but I'm very fortunate that my kids know my palate. Right. And so they know like, okay, when they build this, when they talk about going out to eat, the first thing, I mean, they know me so well, okay, what is daddy going to eat? Mm-hmm. So they're thinking, even though, even though it's them, they're like, they know daddy is going to only eat certain things. And so, and dad is proud and dad is paying for it.

So let's make sure, let's make sure, let's make, let's make sure daddy likes it. you know what I do like though now that we're on the topic of restaurants and Eden my kids obviously you know I have a lot of kids and I have two divas maybe three I have one that's a little bit more lean

I have two divas Charday and Jekira Shade and Jekira and they are five star eating dress up giving looks makeup hair lashes everything got to be done now for them for them two I don't care where you want to go

you want to go to Poppy State you want to go to Zuma? All those nice restaurants. The high end. The high and stuff, I will take the time out to go in there and fake it. Right.

I would go in there fake it because it's not a it's not an all the time thing. It's just, it's an occasion. Obviously everybody's in college. You know, my daughter's out in L.A. So anytime we're home and we can all get together, I have no problem being a team player when it come to them.

But the best part about it is my kids are really not fennicky. They're pretty much. I mean, they're very, very, I think because of the way that when we went out, we kind of went to like American Fair, we didn't really branch out. So it wasn't like, okay, let's go get sushi or let's go to, or let's go get Thai or let's go get, you know,

we didn't, we didn't do that. So for the most part, they're like, okay, we go, yeah, we went to high end steak restaurants and things of that nature. So that's kind of where their palate is now. I think my youngest, I think poo, will eat sushi. I think Kiar does. I'm not so sure about Kayla.

She's never mentioned it to me, but I think my youngest daughter, Poo, I think she does eat it. Eat sushi already? Yeah. Ooh. My kids grown, bro. I ain't got no young kids like you.

No. Hell, no. Listen, that's another topic we can get on about, you know, you starting back over, man, getting to having a nice, a nice little one, you know, because it can make, even,

even though you, I'm not going to say your age, but having another child, you know, it can do wonders for you, man. It can do wonders for you and just in bringing that youth back into your life. So that's another topic we can touch on later on down the line. It'll bring my summers to a close. You know, I look at my life as far as summers. I like to think that I got at least 20 summers left. I'm not so sure if you're bringing the kid into the equation,

don't take about five or six of them summers off. No, not really. So if you think you got 20 summers left without an infant, you know, with an infant, you might want to add 10 most summers of that. I'm just saying it's in the Bible. Look, I got a really good. My kids were really good. Obviously, my oldest daughter,

she lived with me, her junior and senior year. And so, you know, obviously, you get a young lady with her emotions and get me, I'm rigid, I'm bare structured. She's not rigid. She's not structured. But I think the thing now, and talking to her now, and I'm so proud of the young woman

that she's turned into is that when we have conversation, she's like, Dad, I didn't see it at the time, but I really appreciate it now. And it's kind of like it was when I was with my grandmother. When they tell it my grandmother and my grandfather sharing all these stories, you're a kid, you don't know, you just want to do what you want to do.

But now, and for me, and I tell people this all the time, I can remember everything my grandfather said to me. My grandfather died in February of 77. I was eight years old, about to be nine. and I can remember the thing my grandfather said. I can tell you, my grandmother lived until I was 43 years of age. I can tell you every time my grandmother has ever got upset at me.

And I can tell you why and I can tell you what I did. That's how the impact of what they were, what they said and how they treated me. The impact that it had. And so for my kids, they like appreciate it. Because look, I was hard on them. I was. I was. Because that's, yeah, I was.

Yeah, I was. Yeah. So you were the disciplinarian. Absolutely. Yeah. See, I was a total opposite. And one of the few things that I commend, those that I have kids from, they did one hell of a job.

Right. They did one hell of a job because I was more lenient. I was more lenient. And all my kids turned out to be phenomenal in the area as far as getting in trouble and making some of the right decisions. Yeah. And I take, I don't want to take the credit. I'm not going to see him and pretend that I'm going to take the credit for what they

turned out to be. All credit is due to the mothers. And because of them and because of the structure and discipline that they did have, even with the young ones, it's the same way, everyone has turned out to be phenomenal. And I've never been on a platform like this to be able to give them the credit that they do and give them their just do. But man, most definitely I'm very, very, very grateful for them. But because of that structure and discipline, it's allowed me to be able to do some of the things that I've done now, even to this day, just throughout the years. and everything is going so smooth and transition because of them.

Yeah, it was difficult because I'm away playing and when they come over, you know, their mom was a little bit, was a little more or less, well, lenient than I am. Right, right. So you ain't standing on the couch.

You're not jumping on the bed. You're not running through the house. You're not leaving doors opening things like that. So they're looking at me like, but, you know, to their mom's credit, you know, there's like, okay, they were kind of like, your dad is a little different

than I am. Your dad is a little bit more structured. Your dad is right, right. He cares a little bit more as the mom. Wait. Yeah. And so, but to give those guys credit, their parents, their mom did a great job. They always, the kids always had obviously the utmost. And even though we had, you know, we had our issues at time because we're young. Same, same, same. We had our issues and, and, but we worked through those things. I think the thing, the biggest thing for me is that looking back at it, like, okay, I could have handled that differently. Yeah, you could. And we talked about it. And I think we're in a great place now.

But the kids, for me, they understood, you know, I could just give my kids that because I would take them to the mall. And people would ask, like, how do you get your kids to do that? Like, do what? Right. They're like, they sit down. They don't move. They're not running around. I mean, my kids will be all over the place.

Right. Oh, no. No. You don't play that? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. You show out. You get whoa out.

Wait. It really, hey, that's how my, but see, you know, if you're not careful. You sound like my grandma, man. But you know, if you're not careful, you would do it. And, you know, you're like, and I didn't, you know, I didn't discipline my kids much. It had to be something that, that really, I thought that they really needed to learn a lesson in this situation. Because. Right. And people are like, well, why are you so hard on them?

I say, I wouldn't be. If they were going to stay that size and that age, I let them do it. they want to do because everybody thinks kids cute. But one day, they're going to be teenagers. And if I'm fortunate enough, I'll see them have, they'll build adults, and I'll be able to see my grandkids. So I need to teach them right from wrong and understand and discipline.

And work ethic. Right. You want something. Hey, you need to, you know, and I've had this conversation with people that are, that work their way from the mud, like we say, we got it out of the mud. Get out of the mud. The concrete. Right.

How do you instill that work ethic in them when you got 25,000, you got maids, you got chef, you got chauffeurs, you got security detail, how do you instill that? That's a good question. In your key, because I'm asking you, how did you do that? Well, what did I tell you? Yeah. I'm last option, not first choice. Okay, okay.

I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that. But it's hard for me to say no. I'm just be honest with you. I'm hard. Whether I'm the first option or the last option, if somebody texts my phone, you know what's coming. Well, I think the thing is for me is that they know it better be a good reason.

Now, the question is, why didn't you come to me first? You get yourself in a bind because you try to do something not let me find out about it. I'm going to need to know why you didn't come to me first. Right. I don't need to know all your business. You're grown. But remember not. If you're grown, you're grown all the time.

Don't be grown when you need daddy. Because, you know, I've grown. You know, okay, you're grown. But it took me, it took me a while to be able to like, okay, they are grown. Because I remember the first time I went out with my kids and they came by with the drink menu. And my kids, my kids got the menu and they look at like, okay, I'll take this. And I look like, yeah, you're like, daddy. We 25.

We're 26. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're not, you're not caught me off. They caught me off guard on our trips. You know, we take our annual trips when everybody get out of school.

Man, we in, we in Jamaica, we in Mexico, and I'm looking at, y'all ordering who? Or than what? And I'm looking at rail. And it hadn't clicked, even though they grown, you know, 25. Yeah. Like, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm not used to that. And then I'm not, I'm not.

doing the preaching, but why y'all not like your daddy? Why y'all not like your daddy? Because your daddy, you never had a sip of alcohol a day in life. Right. But here y'all go. Y'all drinking. Damn. You know what those are. It's all good. But that's them to have their own identity. What got me excited doesn't get them excited. And I wanted them, I wanted them to have their own identity. And for the most part, my kid won't tell you who they are. Now, obviously, my oldest daughter, she kind of looks like me. So the first thing they see her, they're like, you look just like you're dead. But if you, if you don't know, she ain't going to tell you. My younger daughter kind of got my name.

Right. But she'll tell people that's like, are you related to that former football player? She's like, nah, my mom just liked his name, though. She used to root for the Broncos. She liked his name. So I'm like, oh, look. Listen, I can't, all, all my kids look like me. That's a good thing because I look good. Yeah. How many, how many, how many girls? How many boys? 11 and the possible. How many, how many boys?

How many girls? Eight and three. Eight girls. Eight girls. About how much, Ocho. Eleven and a possible. I'm not, I'm not finished. I'm not finished.

Huh? I'm not finished. Yeah, man. Yeah. Baby. She's trying to pretend like she's sleep. Yeah, I'm working, man. I can't, listen.

One thing you can't do in life is you can't end on the odd numbers. You can't end on the odd numbers. That's bad luck. No, having more kids is bad luck. Nah, ain't bad luck. The cup runneth over. Yeah. My bank account don't.

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see that, Ocho? Did you see these So I'm trying to figure out where the hell am I supposed to take me? I can't take you to apple be, the chilies, or chilies, a red lobster, a buffet, I hop. We can't go bowling. We can't go to the hookah bar. We can't go to Waffle House. We can't go to a sporting event, not family functions, not a coffee date. We can't even go to church.

I want to me, you know what they, I want God to look down and say, you know what they're a cute couple. I'm a, I'm a blessed them. I think this list was made just for the sake of creating engagement. Because I'm looking at some of this stuff. Movie night, who don't want movie night? Who don't want to go bowling? Nightclubs. What's wrong with night?

I don't do nightclubs. Number one was Chief K. Factory. Number seven was you can't take me to your house. Listen, depending on the guy. And fellas, I know you're watching this. If she likes you, if she really likes you for you, where you go doesn't matter because she's just happy to be in your presence. If she has a problem with anything on this list,

any place on this list, it ain't about you. It's what you can do. So what about we just jump up? That's all to come down to. So I guess we're just going to jump on the full five and then get to the 10. We just going to drive around. We can't go nowhere because, hell, any place, every place on here, we can't go. They're talking about Starbucks.

Who? Nice love. I get, okay, I get. nightclub. I mean, who would want to go on a, uh, uh, uh, go somewhere. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, uh, a strip club date. You ain't never been on strip club date with somebody just met. No, no, no, but that's the best. That's the, you ain't never, you ain't never, you're alive, but you ain't living, man. You, you, you're alive, but you ain't living. You ain't never been on a, uh, honk, you got to do that for me. Come to tussies with me. Let's come down, come down to Miami. Let's go to tussies,

man. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't been to the strip club probably about, probably about 16, 17 years. See, you know what, that's the problem. That's what's wrong with you right there. That's what's wrong with you right there. I used to go for the wings. I used to go for the wings. I get the wings, the chicken tennis. And magic.

As a matter of fact, hey, Madge, I remember what you said in the barbershop. I know what you said. You're going to name, you're going to name a meal after me. So I want that unc. I want that unc on the menu. Listen, let's take a trip, Atlanta.

You get your girl. I get my girl. We just go in and just have some fun. Just relax, unwind. Let your wings out, man. And who's our wings out. Throw those some ones. Oh, Joe.

And we go, look, I ain't, like I said, I ain't been. But see, it's different, bro. I mean, I, I, if, oh, Cho, you can't go, bro. It's going to be on TMZ and people taking pictures. No, no, no, no, no, no, we, we're in Atlanta. This is Black Hollywood. Black Hollywood, we ain't got to deal with that. They're not even going to bother us.

It just, you need, listen, I'm telling you work a lot. You're doing a lot. You're doing a lot for a lot of people. You need a reset. You need a mental reset. You need some relaxation aside from something that you haven't done in a very long time. And you could use that. And what better person to have with you than somebody like me.

That doesn't even do it. No. I don't even do it. Let me tell you what. When I want some rest and relaxation, I do get to Atlanta. I go in my room. I get massages. I get my nails done.

I go get a haircut. Right. See, oh, come on, man. I come out. I go to the kitchen. I eat. I go back in my room. I don't even cut the TV on.

I don't even cut the TV on. You alive, but you ain't living, baby. I got you. I got you. I got you. I want my girl. I want us to do stuff, but going to the strip club,

that ain't that is one thing. I want me heard to do together. That's the problem. That's the problem. You're stuck in your box. You stuck in your ways. You have a routine and way that you do things. No, we go.

You know what, Ocho? She would have a better chance getting me going on vacation than getting me to go to a strip joint with her. It ain't her. I asked you to go with me. I asked you to go with me. You rail ain't going.

Real ain't going. Oh, just, okay. No, let me and you. Just me and you. That's the way. Yeah, there we go. That's what I'm talking about. Well, we can do that.

Okay, next topic. Long as you say, again, back, back to this list. Back to this list. Fellas, this list means nothing when a woman likes you. A woman that likes you will walk with you hand in hand toward a cornerstone. A woman that truly likes you. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

And if you got to leave with money, if you got to leave with money, you already know what time it is. get in how you're fun and keep it moving. Let me ask you a question. Where did you go on your first date? Do you remember your first date? McDonald's! You know that.

I don't play. I don't play. I don't play. And people that I've dated in the past, they're going to see this with all the respect. I appreciate all y'all. We with the McDonald's. Hold on, man.

Baby. I'm talking about the first date you ever went on. The first date, man, I'm not playing now. I'm not playing. If you can't appreciate what I love the most, then you have no business going to me to nothing. five star, four star, three star, two.

Yeah, baby. Hold on, hold on. Baby. Ain't no, huh? Can you hear me? Tell Uncle we went for our first date. You heard her? No, but it's good.

I believe you. He can't hear you. You got a scream. He can't hear you. You heard her? Yeah, I think she said. Yeah, and listen, if she frowned up or turned her nose up, when I pulled through that,

drive through. Okay, boom, that would have been my last time seeing you. Nah, what you here for? Are you here for me? Are you here for the free meal? I'm trying to think. If I'm not mistaken, you know, Ocho, I didn't go to the prom in high school. You ain't go to prom? I didn't in high school.

I started dating a young lady. What's her name? What's her name? He was a, no, she married, got two kids and I didn't mention that. I ain't going to put nobody out there. And I think if I'm not mistaken, the prom, we ended up going to Red Lobster. Ooh, boy, them cheddar biscuits.

Stop playing. That was the, that was the, because here's the thing, Ocho, our coach, Coach Hall, like, we ran track, track normally fell, fell on prom. And Coach Al said, what y'all want to do? Now, I'm trying to figure out, okay, I want to go to college, what's the quickest route to get to college, get to the NFL, make some money so I can take care of my grandma. I didn't think the prom was going to be the best use of my time. Right.

I like that. We would normally run, having a track meet. Normally, it was like, it was either the region track meet or the state tracked meat. Mm-hmm. And so that was my thing. But if I'm not mistaken, I think Red Lobster was the first date that I went on. And, but, you know, I- I wonder how many people would have a problem with Red Lobster.

I wonder how many people, listen, the Cheddar biscuits at Red Lobster are top tier. Red Lobster number 11 on the list. Listen, let me tell you another thing that's top. me you ever had the rolls at piccadilly's you ever had the road the dinner rolls at piccadilly or you've never been to piccadilly's no we used to uh i've never been to piccadilly's but they used to be a buffet called uh morrison's and i think i think pick a deal i think they merged probably the same thing i remember i remember my sophomore year yeah with the first time i had never heard the buffet for real i had never heard of a buffet so coach so i we are a track team and we're running track

Coach said we run good. I'm going to take you guys to the buffet. I don't know no buffet is, but hell. Hey, sound good. Let's go. Yeah. So, man, so we get there and like, you know, coach paid. You know, coaches either like, pay and I just see all this food.

I'm like, so I'm looking around like, so what we do? We wait for somebody to come service, you know what I'm saying? I really had never really like been in a restaurant. Right. So I really don't know what, how this thing is going to take. What's the deal? They say, no, man, you just go around and get what you want. I was like, so I can get anything that's up here I can get.

You know, they got chicken, chicken, chicken, tinnas, mac and cheese, mashed potatoes, baked potatoes, all this. They got ice cream, cookies, brown. I'm like, so I can get anything I want. Yeah. Man, Ocho, I wasn't the only one that had never had a buffet or didn't know what the buffet was. So we eat until we make us, I mean, me and a couple of my home,

a couple of our teammates, we're sick. So guess what we do? So, hey, I'm going to take some of this stuff home to my sister, to my grandma. So I start getting napkin. I put chicken in your pocket. Yeah, I put chicken in my pocket. Put some chicken.

I had like two or three breasts, some short thighs, some drumsticks. And so the coach sees, but he don't say nothing. I got, you know, I got cookies in my hand. I got brownies. And I don't even really like brownies, but I know my grandma, he liked brownies. Right, right, right, right.

Right, right. So we get on the bus. Coach all turns around. He says, suckers is all you can eat, not all you can eat and take out. Man, we don't, hey, everybody, but I wasn't the only one, no, Cho. I wasn't the only one. But I always thought, like, when I went somewhere like that, oh, oh, my grandma will get some of this food here. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, for sure. And the funny thing, I'm looking at the list. I'm thinking I see churches on there, too. What do you think me and my grandma, me and my grandma, we went to Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Overtown. My Olive, my Olive Baptist Church in Overtown, where do you think we went to eat at the church every Sunday?

Church is chicken. Why do you think I told you I don't like okras being nosy dipping my hand in her stuff? Yeah. Come on, man. No, we went to, we went to Granny House to eat. You know, because, see, Sunday was the only time, see, I never had chicken.

I never had chicken on any other day but Sunday. Now, what you didn't get, what you didn't eat it all on Sunday, you got some other fried chicken on Monday. But I never had chicken. I never had fried chicken on any other day. That's the only time that we got chicken was Sunday. My grandmother would cut,

you know, my grandma and my aunts would cut it up and they would fry it Sunday morning. You know, obviously my grandfather got the two biggest pieces. And so we normally got, you get like a short thigh in a wing. Right, right. You wouldn't get the breast. My grandfather got the breast.

He got the best piece. But, you know, you might get a short. short thigh drumstick, short thigh wings, something like that. But they fried everything. So, you know, we eat the neck and things like that. So I was like, man. And then the next day, what you didn't eat, my grandfather, you know, got the flour and the water and she smother fried it.

So now we have fried chicken and whatever vegetable we had, and then we have smother fried chicken and rice on Monday. But hot dogs was Friday, was Friday night. My grandmother only got paid. Wait, hold it with baked beans How'd that with baked beans, right? You're doing too much, Ocho. We got the hot dog, check this out. We got the hot dog that came 50 in the pack

and they were like, right. You remember them hot dogs that came 50? Yeah. And they still had the plastic on them when you put them in the, yeah, that's those are the ones that we had. And back then, you got bread, bread with three loaves for a dollar.

You get three loaves for a dollar. So we got those, my grandma, by that thing of 50 hot dogs. Mm-hmm. Man, you talk about it. Like I said, a bun. Wait, you ain't, you ain't had to forget. I don't know just talk about it, but I mean, my mom and my grandma used to make the hot dogs, right?

The same, the same 50 fact you talk about. Yeah. Chop it up. The beans with the little honey and the beans and mix it up. What? No, no. Grady wasn't doing all that. You ain't, look, my grandma didn't, I mean, every once in a while, I mean, the only kind of, like, vegetables that we, like, my grandmother would buy was kind of like, like,

like cream corn, but most of the stuff, it came from a garden. My grandmother planted the garden or the people that had farms. They had okra, they had squash, they had butter beans, they had field peas, things like that. And so you would pick on a share. So if you pick, you pick two bushels, they got one, you kept one. You pick four, they got two, you got two. And then, you know, you bring them home and then your thumb sore because you got to shell them. So, yeah, but that, no, no, no, no.

But it was, but I could, you know, that was, those are what, that's what I remember. Me and my brother, we talk about that all the time, man. You remember, you know, because my grandmother got paid on Friday, $197 every two weeks, $197. It's amazing how times have changed, man. Yeah, man. And like, everybody around me was, didn't have money like that. So it wasn't no thing to me.

It wasn't no thing. Because once the summer come, you know, we's going to be able to work in the field that we're going to be able to make it. So check this out, Ocho. Janice said LeBron James is the number one all-time, setting the blueprint for other NBA superstars. Yonah said some guys might say he's number two, but other guys like me say he's number one.

For 21 years, you never get in trouble to be able to take his family, protect his family, raise his kid the right way, you know, be happily married, all those things, it's perfect. It's kind of like setting a blueprint for the rest of us to come forward. Now, I'm just, I think Janice, who's first to second best player currently playing,

say LeBron James is the goat. Yeah. Now, a lot of guys, a lot of current guys say it's Jordan, and they say it's Kobe. And that's well within there, right? I ain't here to debate. That's your opinion. I think it's LeBron.

But what do you take away? What's your takeaway from what Yonis said? Listen, I like what Yonah said. I like what Yonah said. And when there's a standard that's set or there's a way to gauge someone you would like to be. or someone that represents not just the NBA shield to the highest of his highest order,

but someone that represents being a father, being a husband, doing everything the right way. Someone that had, I would think, probably the most expectations on their plate coming out of high school is LeBron King James. He has the tattoo of Chosen for a reason. And for him to be able to live up to that with all the pressures and all that that entails speaks volumes to this day.

To this day. So some people, some people in preference will be Jordan. Some people in preference will be Kobe. I'm not sure who else is in the discussion is being the best of all time. But listen, what LeBron is being able to do since day one, since he stepped foot on the court,

21 years later, it's respectable and it's commendable. And it's really, it's hard. How do you argue that? How do you argue the fact? Because the facts are right there. You know the thing is I think even though he had these high expectations,

I think by everybody's estimations, he's exceeded no matter what you thought, he could or couldn't become. He's exceeded your expectations. Yeah. And so for him to do it the way he has it, to play at the level that he has, and the criticism, because you know this social media is a different animal. Because everybody now is a GM. Everybody now is a former NBA player.

Everybody now is a head coach. And so now you've got a platform. I've got a platform. 500 million, a billion people have platform to voice their opinion. Opinion of what they think a certain player is or isn't. And so for him to withstand that onslaught, and a lot of people have taken unnecessary shots at him. But for him to block the noise out and because sometimes the noise can become definitely,

for him to do it his way, and to surround himself because a lot of times I don't know who his father figure was in his life I think his mama Gloria glow did an unbelievable job

because think about it he didn't go to college so he didn't have a Dean Smith Coach Smith or he didn't have a coach John Thompson or he didn't have a coach Bayhine or he didn't have a coach Kate and if you think about it

he didn't have one of these a coach Allback or Phil Jackson or one of these great coaches this him Figuring that out of his own. You drafted the 18, turns 19, and think about it. He says, you know what?

I just think it surrounds himself with people that said, you know what? We don't want to hand out. We just want the opportunity. Look what Rich Paul became. Look what Maverick Carter became. Look at what Randy Mills became. Can I tell you something real quick? Yes.

And this is a testament to where I was trying to guide you and take you a little bit. and I'm not going to preach to you today, but I want you to listen to everything that you just said, but you're leaving one important fact out. We talk about LeBron. No, no, no, no, no. Stay with me now. We talk about LeBron and the pressures that he's had to face

and the noise that's been deafening throughout his life. You talked about Gloria and the job that she's done, saying that he's never had the coaches that have inspired you throughout life and kept you on the right track. But there's one piece that was always in place. that was always in place to make sure regardless of what was going on the outside, once he went home, he went home

to peace. So that kept him in line, and that was Savannah. And that is something that I've always told you, and I will tell everybody else said out there listening and the credit and where it should go, not just Jane, but sometimes when you have a woman's touch and a woman's guidance and a woman's vision,

you might know where you want to go. you might know where you want to go but there's one person that knows how to open that door and close it behind you to make sure you reach whatever that end goal may be and what she was able to do for him it speaks volumes on why he's been able

to sustain what he's done for such a very long time outside of the work he's had to put in obviously yes but it all come down to having that centerpiece to keep that entire household together and she's the one that's why I'm trying to get I'm not I'm not done

with you yet. But everybody is not wired like Savannah. She said her job was to be a wife, make sure her husband was straight and raise a family. You know, sometimes like, I want my own, I want to do, I want to do that, and it's kind of hard

when you're mad to a professional athlete because he's going to be so demanding of your time. Right. And so for her to say, you know what, okay, you, I'm going to push you to the front. I'll stand back. I'm going to raise. Because, because, Because when you like a LeBron or you date or married to a Tom Brady

or you married to one of these historically iconic, they are very selfish. The greater the player, the greater the ego. And the greater his time restraints are to film study and his body and doing all these things and to grow. And so a lot of the recitals and the practices and they're taking the school and the carpool lane, he ain't in there. Savannah's doing that and she's okay with that.

Sometimes one can become envious. Well, when do I get a break? When are you going to take them to the school? When are you going to go to recital? When are you going to go to ballet? When are you going to do this? But I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I know who she is.

I've never spoken to the woman. I know Braun had a couple conversations with. But I'm sure it's not easy because you do. I mean, hey, sometimes I'm like, man, hell, I wish I could take a day off and not get up and have to go to work. Right. But it's a $365, 24-7. Yeah, 365, listen, most definitely.

Most definitely. And listen, it's difficult. I know it is. But again, there's a reason why he set the blueprint, not just as a basketball player, but as a father and as a husband. Oh, man, it's unbelievable. It need to be studied. Oh, Joe.

That's what I need to do. If I had it to do over again, if I could go back, okay, I'm going to go back and I'm going to start as a freshman in high school. Yes, sir. And instead of being a class crown and bulljabbing around, I'm going to do my work. Now, even if I said, okay, I want to go back and I'm going to go back to Savannah State. Yes, sir. I would have, like, been able to say no and not, you know, oh, shah, you got this great body.

Ooh, you fine. I want to talk to you, blah, blah, blah, and run with it. out of five out of got me one woman I'd have sell them my you know what down it'd probably save me about four five million dollars but that's neither here nor there and I probably would have now I don't regret you know my kids love them

they're great they forced me to become even more regimented more disciplined more determined more dedicated because I now I just worried about granny I got my own responsibilities outside of granny outside of my mom and my

sister. Although I know my brother is a dual deal with my brother that's helping my mom and my grandmother, my sister. Now I got responsibility that's not his responsibility. Or it's not our responsibility together. Of all the things, I wish

I had gotten married early. But you know what? You know what the great thing about life is? The great thing about life is some people never graduate from high school. Some people never graduate from college. But something hits them in life

And regardless of age, you can go back and get your degree. Yeah. Whether it's high school And you can go back to your college. Listen, that is going to be my end goal As a part of this show, no matter what we talk about,

no matter what we do, the ups and the downs, at the end of the day, my sole goal is to find your woman because I can't wait. And all I'm going to say is I told you so at the wedding. I'm going to get up,

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Listen, inside American soccer with Tom Bogart and Tabramos on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Well, I hope it's butter and jelly on that toast because that's the only toast you're going to be giving to me. Kaleas Campbell says he spends between $200 and $300,000 on his body after studying Brady and LeBron. I know you played against Kaleas.

Big guy out of Denver, Colorado, wanted to be a tight end. I've talked to Kaleas and said, you know what, man, I want to be like you, but I kind of grew out of the position and I couldn't catch the ball like you could. If you knew what you know now, how would it have changed your career

or would you have done anything as far as training, as far as nutritional? What would you have done different, knowing what you know now? Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have done a thing different. I respect individuals like LeBron and Tom Brady and the way they've taken care of their bodies

and having to do some of the things that come with it. Callias Campbell spending $200,000, $300,000. Obviously, he's a bigger individual than I am, and therefore the wear and tear on his body might be a little different than it was for me. If I had to do it again, my diet and nutrition wouldn't change. The same thing I ate when I was in high school and through college, I ate it while I was in the NFL.

The way I trained, you already know, still to his day, I'm a madman. I'm a madman. I got to be doing something. I got to be moving. I got to be doing something. and I played a very long time. I had no injuries.

I had no injuries. So when Marvin Lewis appointed a nutritionist to our team, there was no reason for me to break what I was already doing because there was nothing wrong with. There was nothing to fix. There was nothing to fix. And I think I was very fortunate. I might be one of the most fortunate NFL players to ever play

that play an entire career and having no injuries outside of a dislocated, dislocated pinky, you know, a little nicked here. little nick there, but nothing major where it would cause me to miss any time. Therefore, when it comes to nutrition and to talk about taking care of your body, it's like, to me, it just, everybody's different.

Everybody's body's different. So it's hard for me to compare. I can't say anything about LeBron. I can't say anything about Calais Campbell or any other players that take care of everybody and having to spend money on it. To me, I think it's the mind thing. It's the mind thing.

I get up, I train hard, I get in the cold tub, I get in the hot tub. I never got massages. I don't want nobody touching me. I never got massages. Well, obviously you believe to You bleed a cold tub got had something to do it or you wouldn't have got in it.

Oh, no, because I just saw everybody was doing it, so I just wanted to follow what everybody else was doing. No, no, okay, you did that. Okay, you did that once or twice. You did that throughout your career. Yeah, because TJ, T.J. T.J. Hushamazada and Carson Palmer told me you should get in the cold tub. You're running yourself ragged.

You're running, dude, let me take how I practice. This is, I was, I want to say that word. I want to say that word. I was ridiculous. I did a scout team. I did kickoff. I used to play the gunner. This is in practice just to get me in rhythm, getting preparing for a game.

T.O. T.O. is with us in 2010. Tio pulled me to the side and said, man, what in the hell are you doing? What are you doing? I'm taking all the goddamn snap. I said, this is how I always get ready for Sundays. He said, man, you runny yourself ragged, man. You're going to be tired when the games come. I say, T, this is the way I practice it, and I'm used to it.

So that was one of the joys I having tea there and having to show me how to manage my body and minimize some of the work that I was putting in during the week. But that's all that I knew. And I think that's one of the reasons why I never got hurt.

I put my body through the ringer constantly to where, you know what, when it was time to play and time to get hit and take those hits, I just get right up and keep on more. What if you're getting in the hyperbaric chamber? What if you eating right? Instead of having 11,000 yards,

you have 14,000. And instead of having 60 touchdowns, you had 90. How? How? I just told you I never got hurt. I didn't miss any time. So what the widow's number can come from, Madden?

No, no. Maybe instead of that, maybe you break a tackle. Instead of having a 15-yard game, you get a 30-yard game. I never got tackled by the first man. Man, stop it, Ocho. You saw what I did. The rate, don't play me like that. No, I saw you got clapjack.

Listen, no, but listen, one of one, another thing that I hate. People, oh, I'm eating healthy. I mean healthy. because it's going to help me perform better. No, it's not. No, it's not. Because how you perform is a skill set. It's a skill set based on how hard you train

and what God has blessed you with. And you're putting the two together. Not the food. Saying, oh, if I eat salads and I eat healthy and I do all this nutrition stuff, all of a sudden I'm going to be Jerry Rice. No, you're not. No, no, no.

Listen, I'm just eating, either you're not? No. That's it. But I do believe, I mean, but like you said, it's a mindset. You don't believe, see, the fact that you don't believe it's going to help is not going to help. There's a reason why doctors tell you that, there's a reason why doctors tell you when you have surgery to keep a positive mind. Right.

Right. Because the mind really controls the body. So you're not going to get the bill and fits out of it because you're already going in with a negative mindset. Even if you're not going in with a negative mindset, I'm using common goddamn sense and logic. Telling me what I put in my body is going to help me perform better. Why didn't you believe? So. It's a lie.

But you believe, I disagree. I disagree. I disagree. Oh my God. I disagree. Either you're good at your craft or you're not. Yes. If you're telling me, if you're telling me, oh, I'm eating salads, that means when I'm, when somebody's in front of me playing man-in-man, oh, I'm going to be able to get open and create separation because of what I put in my body.

That's not the way that works. No, you have a C, but you have a single, but see, here's the thing. I believe the guy that trains hard has the better nutritional. I think that helps. I'm not saying that somebody... Helps who what? In what area? Your body.

Because when you get on the field, it's based on your skill set. Your skill set, nothing more. But let me ask you a question. So why don't they put regular... Why don't put regulated gas in high performance car if it didn't make a difference? Come on with the car analogy.

No, I'm just saying. So what's your body? What's your body? Is your body not a machine? Yes, or no. It's my temple. So why would you... And who... Why would you...

So, why would you... Why you wouldn't put the highest nutritional... They got you believing that 97 is the healthy shit. That's how they fool you into selling their product. Well, here's the thing, the Ocho. What I did is that I tried it for myself. Right. See, yes.

I could have like, no, I said, but let me see. And then I saw what it did. What did it do? I saw... That was mentally, that's what it did. I saw the changes in my body. I saw the changes. When I made the switch in 93,

I said, you know what? I'm going to bring my own food to work. I'm going to start eating like this. I'm going to start training like this. I saw the benefits. Now, obviously, all these hyperbaric chambers and all this other stuff that came around, these physio guys that had these guys,

these personal trainers, there's a reason why, there's a reason why, Ocho. All that's a money grab, man. Can that ask you a question? How many years you played? I played 14. you ever been hurt?

Yes. You had any surgeries? Yeah. You know why you had surgeries? I fractured my eye socket. Oh, yeah. Eye socket. Okay.

Scoped my collar. What else? What else? What else? Broke my collar bone. Broke your collar bone. What else? Uh,

I had scope on my ankle a couple of times. Oh, yeah. Oh, your ankle. Oh, your knees too. Mm-hmm. I ain't had nothing wrong with me. Yeah, but see, but see, you had nothing wrong me. You had nothing wrong me.

You had a pretty boy. See, I might end up. I was in the trenches. No, you were. I was in the trenches and I played reckless. No. Check my resume and check the film. You outside the numbers, bro.

I saw you one time. I saw you one time inside the hash and everybody saw high-ended. Listen, what era of football did I play in? AFC North, 2,000 Ravens Steelers Browns. Bro. They had to relax. Don't do that. They had to relax the rule.

The incidental contact, bro. Stop that. Relax the rules. Stop playing, man. Why are you playing on my top like that? McDonald's, my whole career. No injuries. Just think about what you could have been.

I was there. I was him. What you could have been here. I was, I was him. If you know, all the top, if you take all the top in guys, you look at the guys that played Jerry, look at Walter Payton, look at Tom Brady, look at Jordan, look at Kobe, look at LeBron,

Look at all the high-end guys. What did they do? Let me tell you something. Everybody trying to be like them, you ain't going to be one of them. No. But what if you could be a better version of them? Jordan, Jordan, George, A. McDonald's.

What was saying, Bo ate McDonald's. Not when he was training for the Olympics. Not when he was. I was training for the Olympics. I called Michael, I call Michael right now. I call Michael Jordan right now. Let him tell you. I call Mike, hold on.

You want me call him? Don't do that. Michael Jordan ate McDonald's. Talk to me, nine. Oh, Cho. Chicken me nuggets. Ocho. Ocho.

You could eat anything in moderation. And listen, why do we continue to use the highest of iconic athletes as examples is beyond me because nobody is going to be like them based on what they eat? Let me ask you a question. Do you take financial advice from anybody that ain't got money? Yes or no. You listen to the Elon Musk. You listen to the guys that built businesses. I don't take financial advice from nobody but myself.

That's why I still got all. my goddamn money. Period. Now listen to me. I did it. I did it with no injuries, so you're not going to tell me the way I did it, don't work.

Because it worked. Because you had 37 surgeries and I ain't had NAM. Ocho. Yes, sir. So what if the difference? Ocho, but think about it. Ain't no different.

Ocho, think about it. How many seventh round picks after the merger made it to the Hall of Fame? Whoa, whoa. Hold on, let me a second. I'm going to give you the floor. How many seventh round picks?

we come on to be an all pro and go to eight pro bowl. How many? Can you finish? Can I finish? Can I go? Go ahead. Can I go?

How many young kids out of Liberty City beat the odds and then end up dead or in jail from selling dope? Let me finish. You let me finish. Let me finish.

How many kids from Liberty City made it to the NFL and were the full-time all-pro? Six-time Pro bowler named cemented, legacy cemented name in the stadium. How many? I ain't got no yellow jacket,

but I made my own. Oh, that's sufficient enough to me. How many people, how many people live in Liberty City? How many people, what should you say the population of Liberty City is? Now or back then?

I'm talking about in the 80s when it was a war zone. And early 90, when it was a war zone. I'm talking about doing it during the dope area. How many, how many people you think live in Liberty City? Liberty City. I'm not sure. 15,000, 20,000, 30,000? I wouldn't even sit here and throwing nobody there

because I don't know. I'm just being honest. I don't want to play that game. I don't know. Honestly. Well, where I grew up at, it was 3,500 people. What's the likelihood of you getting two out of 3,500?

What's the likelihood of me even surviving and getting an opportunity to even play? Oh, Joe. So let me ask you a question. Are there any other players that came out of Liberty Cibb that played the NFL? Yeah. It's a few.

It's a few right now. So. Did you, do time to, do you understand what Liberty City that came out of? Yes. No, you don't. Yes, Ocho. 80s, 90s, Liberty City.

It was ugly. Yes. It was ugly. Ocho. My chances of getting out was this. Ocho. This. Ocho.

I ain't talk about. The odds, yes, the odds were stacked against you. Way against. Yes. But you beat the odds. Now, just imagine. Look, like I said, in your mind, you don't believe. No.

that nutrition, proper, you know, massage, physio, all that. You don't believe it worked. We've done a poll. We got over 2,000 votes. 83% believe that nutrition matters. What are 83%? Who they play for? 2,000.

Who they play for? See, hold on. Now you're doing the argument. Now you're trying to invalidate people because they didn't play sports. No, no, no, because they would. If you didn't play the game and you think nutrition matters, Yeah. What are you using the, what are you using as the fact that nutrition works?

What are they going to say? Oh, 2300. LeBron did it. No, y'all ain't, you're never going to be those individuals that they are once in a lifetime. Let me ask you a lot. Are there more athletes like you that eat whatever they want that don't believe or there are more athletes that eat nutrition? I guarantee you there are more athletes like me than it is that eat healthy. And I can guarantee you that, especially in today's game.

I can guarantee you that. I disagree. Let's bet. Let's bet. bet. Let's bet. Because you see, I disagree. I don't know how we quantify. You know what? I think we're going to take a poll. Can I ask you a question?

Why do you think all that? Why do you think the injuries are more significant now than as opposed to before? Can I tell you why? Let me finish. Let me tell you. Can I tell you why, please? Real quick, I love you to death. The injuries are up higher because they eat in all this motherfucking healthy shit. You play a barbaric sport. You play a barbaric sport running 100 miles an hour running into each other, but you eat like a goddamn rabbit, and you expect to survive a 17-game season, but you eat like goddamn rabbit.

It ain't going to work. Something has to give. You know what's giving? You're fucking body in its ligaments. I believe, I believe a reason why the injuries. I believe the guys are getting bigger, stronger, and faster, but I also believe that the guys don't put their bodies through the rigors. They don't practice hitting during the course of the week like we once did.

And so now you're asking a car that hasn't been driven at 100 miles an hour during the week that says, you know what, on Sunday, go 100 miles an hour without being warmed up. That is my belief. There's no way to definitively determine it. But do you believe the guys are bigger, strong, and faster? Yes or no. Do you believe the guys in the NFL are bigger, stronger, and faster than they were in the 50s, in the 60s, and the 70s? Do you believe guys are getting bigger, strong, and faster?

Yeah, they are. Okay, so that means the, so hold on. Let me ask your question. So that means the collisions. Because you can't even hit no goddamn body today. You can't even hit nobody today. You can't even hit no goddamn body today. Don't do that.

Look. You just, you just, you can hit them. Kareem Jackson just got suspended four games but playing football the way we did in the 2000. But hold on. You can't even hit nobody no more. You can hit them. It's just a penalty now.

And we understand that they're trying to make the game. And we understand with the lawsuits, with the CTE, and things of that nature. We understand. Yes, yes. But all I know is, we got 2,900 boats, and 83% says, yes, nutrition plays a role. They don't know what they talk about,

because ain't none of that 83% could cover me. Ain't none of the 83% cover me, and I'm at there on two cheeseburgers, and what you're going to do with me? Nothing. Nothing. We got 3,000 boats. Oh, Joe, they ain't they do with your bar?

They look at this right here. They lie. That's what I was able to do right now. Wait, what you talk? Wait a minute. Let me come up. What you're talking about? Ocho, you're a stick figure.

You stick, you're a strong man. What you're talking about, man? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, sh, I ain't the only one, you, what you're talking about, man? You're talking about, man. You ain't the only one. Yeah, look, yeah, look at that. You, you laughing. This ain't, it's 2.30.

What you're talking about, man? Two 30. Solid, boy. Oh, Joe, you, you, you a buck, you a buck 60. You might be a buck 60. And look at this, man. you talk about, man, I just looked like this, man. You made me come up by my shirt, man. Man, don't show you wild, bro. You're wild.

No, but listen, that's a good topic. I just honestly, you know, I know I play around a lot, but in all seriousness, for me, nutrition, I just felt if it wasn't broke, there was nothing for me to fix. It worked for me. It might not work for the next person. I knew and understood my body. If they understand and know their body, you do whatever works for you, man. You know what? I thought that same way until I tried it. And then I saw it like, man, I had more energy, had more stamina. I was able to recover.

But hey, like I said, it's up here. If you don't believe it's going to help, it ain't going to work for you. I believed it. Mine is a powerful thing. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for tuning into another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite uncle, Shalyn Sharpe. He's your favorite number 85. One of the best ride runners.

He's number two on the ride running list. he's number three Why every time I get hot You'd be ready to get off Nah, because I gotta go to work tomorrow Hey, Ocho I got some bad news for him There will be no episode

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my kids have sacrificed enough. They used to sacrifice, going to the amusement park, going to the zoo, going to things, going out so daddy could live, fulfill his dream, working out,

training, getting ready. Well, I didn't work out. I trained. And so now, when it comes to the kids, work takes a back seat. Work takes a back seat. So Thursday,

I'm going to be at the game with my daughter. to see the Lakers open up against the sun. So she's excited about that. She's like, Dad, this is one of the best birthday weeks I've ever had. We saw Usher on Friday. We saw Adele.

And then we're going to cap it off with seeing King James take on Kevin Iran and Devin Booker. So I'm excited about that. I'm going to miss you guys on Thursday. But you best believe, I'll be back and ready to go on Sunday. Yeah, I like it. I like it. so thank you for tuning in

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