The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Dolphins Blow Out Jets, Jerry Jones’ Wild Takes, Super Chat Q&A

Episode Date: November 25, 2023

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Let's get right into it, Ocho. The dolphins go to the Mettelands, go to the Mets Stadium and beat the Jazz 3413. Tua, 21 of 30, 243, one touchdown, two pigs on a fumble. Tua now has five turnovers in his last two games. Three today, two against the Raiders. Reek, nine catches of the bucko, two, a touchdown. he now has 1,324 yards on the season with six games left. He needs to average 113 yards per game to set the record. What does he need to go over 2K?

What does he need the average to go over 2K? Okay, to go over 2K. So he needs 676 yards to reach 2,000. That's definitely possible. That's definitely possible because with him. He needs to have one that big game, Motchow. He needs to have that 20-yard game. Game, yep, yep.

And now he can cruise the rest of the way. He can cruise the rest of the way. Yep. Javon Holland, the Jets get right back in this thing with a pick six of their own. And then look like they're driving. And then a Hail Mary, Javon Holland picks a Hail Mary, H-E-L-L-Mary. Yeah. And runs it back 99 yards.

Another low point for the Jets because not only did they miss a P-A-T after they got their pick-six, now you turn around and get another interception, and you turn around and give it right back to the, to the, dolphins. So another low light for the Jets on Thanksgiving. Remember, Ocho, the butt bumble happened on Thanksgiving in 2012. Mark Sanchez. Yeah.

The Jets's like, damn, damn, damn, like Florida Evans, damn, damn, damn, damn. Just can't get right. And again, I have a question for you. Obviously, to me, you know, I've been in a huge support of Zach Wilson, you know, ever since Aaron Rogers went down and understanding the makeup and the DNA of what, of what Aaron Rogers had to work with, it wasn't going to be that of what we thought it was. Just the simple fact that Aaron Rogers is there with the Jets, we thought, oh, my goodness, all problems will be fixed and, you know, we're going to make a Super Bowl run.

But you understand the landscape of the team in general, the landscape of the offensive line, regards to who you put at the ham, across to who you put back there, you know, to run, it's just not going to be efficient. You know, we all, a lot of people, a lot of fans, I kept rooting for Zach for the simple fact that the reason is it's nothing for him to work with. It's nothing for him to work with. They have a great receiver, great receivers. They have really, good receivers, especially Garrett Wilson and Alan Lizarre. But as far as everything else, in order for that offense to work, they have to have a foundation,

a good foundation. It all starts up front. It all starts up front. So, Negras of who you put back there, these are the results you're going to get week in and week out, no matter who it is. I think the thing is, Ocho, when you're dealing with a quarterback like Aaron Rogers, he knows where to go with the football.

So you're going to probably get better results. I'm not saying you're going to be undefeated. I'm not going to say you're going to have one or two wins, because I give you a prime example. Look at the Kansas City Chief. with Alex Smith. They're in the playoffs every year. They get Patrick Mahomes.

They go to an entirely different level. So I'm not saying that the Jets are going to all of a sudden be, you know, have one loss, one, two losses. But I think the mindset changes when you got a historically and a Pantheon great quarterback under center. Now you no longer hope to win. You expect to win. Now you see that defense ball out longer and harder because they know every opportunity

that they give Aaron Rogers, he's probably going to cash it in or at least have a better situation than what they're showing right now. So I agree with it. It's not the cupboard. It's not bursting with talent. Right, right, right. And you mentioned Alan Lazard. You do realize he was a healthy scratch today, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was out of the day. You think he was healthy? You think he was healthy? They said a healthy scratch. So tell the people at home that don't understand football lingo like you and I. What does healthy scratch mean? Now, this is a good one. This is a good one for me because, listen, I played for a very long time, as did you. is the first time I've ever heard of actually a healthy scratch.

What means this must have been something that, something internal that must have happened. Yeah, he's not playing well. That's what's internal. In 10 games, he has 20 catches, 290 yards on a touchdown. And they're paying him $14, playing them $11 million a year.

That's what's internal. That's what's going on. Wait a minute. So I doubt he's a healthy scratch because of that. I'm just going about what the television said. I'm just going by what the report is saying. I don't think they know what they're talking about. They definitely not going to use.

lose Lazard is no goddamn scapegoat. I would hope he don't do that. Is a healthy scratch versus the dolphins. Yeah. NFL.com says Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch against the dolphin. Ocho, at some point time, you're going to run out of excuses for the receivers now.

I'm not making no excuses. You, how are you going to? Wait a minute. First, the, the offensive line plays bad. They ain't got to do with Alizzo. We passed. So now you're trying to say. We passed. No, we passed that. We're talking about Alan Lazard being a healthy scratch. Don't go back to the offensive line. I'm just waiting.

So wait a minute, in order for him to get the balls to be productive, what else does he need? So why isn't Garrett Wilson a healthy scratch? Why isn't Conklin a healthy scratch? Who said, who said that was the reason he's a healthy scratch? NFL.com is reporting that Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch. Why is he a healthy scratch is what I was asking. I said something might have happened internally. He's averaging two catches a game and he's making $11 million a year.

Could that clear it up for you? So you blaming him for that? You blaming Lazzard for the, for the, for the, for the attempts that are coming his way? Who you blame it? Wait a minute. You can't be serious right now. Who you blame you? Are you blaming Luzard for the opportunities that he's caught that have come his way?

I'm asking you if he's a, why isn't Garrett Wilson a healthy, we don't know why he's a healthy, we don't know why Al Lazard is, is a healthy scratch? We don't know. I said it was something in general. The 27 year old struggles. Hold on. the 27-year-old struggles to create separation has four drops. His 9.8 drop percentage is second worst among all receivers with at least 30 targets.

Let's try again. Now go ahead. Take off. So, wait a minute. So he's the only motherfucker? Excuse me, I mean the curse. God forgive me. We're talking about him.

Don't talk about everybody else's receivers. We're talking about Alan was on. That is no reason for nobody to be a healthy scratch because I could bring up stats for everybody's robbing balls. I can do the same thing. Okay, but I'm just saying that's not a. reason why he's a healthy scratch. That makes no sense. What you mean it doesn't? That makes no sense. What's all? Okay. Tell me what my sense. You're talking about, oh, he's a healthy scratch.

You're talking about, oh, he's a healthy scrap because he dropped ball. Who the fuck don't? He's not playing well, Ocho. What can't you, it's a bunch of receivers not playing well. We're talking about here. Ocho. Ocho. See, what you try to do is talk about what this guy dropped ball. No, what you're not talking about everybody else. Let's deal with what we have. It don't matter. What they're trying to do is find a goddamn excuse and trying to find a goddamn escapegoat. by making him healthy scraps. And it ain't for the motherfucking work. It ain't going to work.

It already worked because they started down. It didn't work. It ain't for the work. They think they slick. They think the way the business is running. It's a bunch of bullshit. First of all. It's a bunch of bullshit.

Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb. Randall Cobb, I think he was active today, but he was inactive the last two weeks. And Randall Cobb and Lazard, Aaron Rogers, Aaron Rogers request. Yeah. They're making $15 million. and they haven't got the production that they thought they were going to get. There have been other receivers that's playing with bad quarterbacks that doesn't drop 10% of the passes that has more than 20 catches in 10 games.

So stop trying to smoke. Are we talking about the same Jets offense that we've been seeing for the past 10 weeks? That same offense that can't throw a goddamn ball down the field anything past five yards. That same Jets offense we're talking about? Is that the Jets offense we talk about? The one will we blame Zach Wilson for every goddamn thing and he running for his life every time he dropped back. That goddamn Jess offense?

How do you expect the receivers to produce if they can't even get the goddamn ball off? The same Jeff's office that you told me last the last two weeks that Alan Lazard dropped two-beat of passes, he got to make those plays and you know that he will. And if he gets another opportunity, what they're doing, what they're doing, if they think they slick over there.

I'm just making what you say. They think they slick over there in New York, trying to use him at the skateboard. He's making, he's making the money. he's making based on what he's been able to do. But now he's at a shit show and he can't produce like he should and now we're going have him a healthy scratch and try to put the goddamn onus on him. That's some fucking bullshit.

So he's the only one that's playing with a poor quarterback and a poor offensive line that's not producing. Who else? Who else? No, no. You tell me. Who else? You told you the one that's out here telling the puppy.

Please, let's look at the landscape of the NFL. Who else is bad? Take off. Take off. Take off. That is that. You're telling me. So I want you the next.

the players. That's your argument. I didn't make that argument. No, I'm asking you the question. You see a healthy scratch. I don't see nobody. I'm not, I'm not going to complete your test for you. Wait a minute. Listen to me now. Stay with me, baby. It's 32 teams in NFL. Yes. I ain't heard of a healthy scratch and I don't know how long. As long as I played, I never heard of having a healthy scratch because they weren't producing. Never heard of that ever before. Never. All of a sudden, oh, now he's not living up to his expectation. He's a healthy scratch. Oh, Joe. I know what it sound like to me.

I know what it sound like to me. You know what? What we're going to blame? What, why did they make Zach Wilson healthy scratch? Huh? Why did they make the quarterback healthy scratch? He's the number three. He's the number three.

All right. He's number three. Travis, he's number two. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. All right. Ocho.

All right. But you want the people at home to believe that in your 11, 12 year NFL career, that you've never heard of a healthy scratch that somebody that wasn't playing well. I'm just, hold on. Oh, Cho. Hold on. Wait, my mayor thing, fellow. Hold on.

God damn it. My bad, baby. I'm coming around. Hold on. Go ahead. Yeah. Maybe just swallow it, because you're damn sure we're listening.

All right there, go right there. Okay, I got it, I got it. Sorry, sorry, sorry about that. So you want the people that's listening to us now, or watching us now to believe in your 11, 12 year career. 13, 13 year career, that you never heard of a player that wasn't playing the way the 10, thought he would, should, and be scratched from the ballgame. You've never heard of that.

Absolutely not. Absolutely. And, Uncle, I wouldn't say he'll lie to you, baby. You know I wouldn't lie to you. I know I play around a lot, but you can see how passionate I am about this goddamn topic, so you know I'm not playing around. Listen, Alan Lazzard, Cobb, Garrett Wilson, give you your best chance to win, regardless of what they have offensively at receive.

They give you your best chance to win. Shit is already bad. So you take one of the best that have been very productive, let me finish, that have been very productive throughout their career to this point, that was brought over at the. request of Aaron Rogers, Aaron Rogers got hurt. So you mean to tell me, one of the best that had been productive with Aaron Rogers all of a sudden comes over, and he's not playing the part because the entire offense in

itself ain't doing a goddamn thing, but he's a goddamn healthy scratch because he can't produce. Well, maybe they're not. Make that make motherfucking sense. That's like me having a, that's like me having a goddamn car and ride no goddamn faux donors. And I'm mad. I can't goddamn drive like it, it ain't driving like it should. Well, maybe they're not. Alan Lazard is not Devante Adams.

Maybe he, maybe, maybe his stats are a little bit more glorified because of Aaron Rogers. And so without Aaron Rogers, it's not working. Have you thought about that? Did that thought ever cross your mind? It's a simple yes or no. No, I don't, I don't like where you're going with that. Because Devante Adams, listen, Devante Adams is Devante Adams. He has a different type of DNA about him.

Alan Lazard is Alan Azard. He's a completely different type of receiver than the comparison. that you just made. And more reliant on great quarterback play than Devante Adams is. Thank you. You make my point. Child, please. All right.

Next up. Next up. Well, you got me 30 hot, boy. I'm mad. Hold on you. You're mad at me. You should be mad at Al-A-M-A-M-A-V-A. I'm not mad at you.

I just know you know the business and you know what the fuck they slick ad trying to pull over there, trying to have a fucking healthy scratch, knowing goddamn well. why you put Jerry Rice in that goddamn offense he'll look just like that too. That's how bad it is. And I mean no deal. Come on, man. You see what you see what going on over that?

Do you see what's going on? We don't watch the Jets for the past 10 goddamn weeks and you think Al-Azard has anything to do with the motherfucking issues in that goddamn offense. That's bullshit. I just want you to understand that when you put your hands up like this here and say no disrespect, whether intent doesn't matter.

But I didn't say anything disrespectful, though. I didn't say anything disrespectful. But you said no disrespect. I'm just trying to tell you whether you intended it or not when you say what you said, it's going to be disrespectful. Because intent only matters to you because you didn't intend it to be disrespectful. But the person that's receiving the criticism is going to feel just as disrespectful. I didn't criticize nobody. I just said as a whole in its entirety.

And we've all watched it for the past 10 weeks. And all I've done is done my due justice and due diligence in trying to get people to understand. that are watching, there's a reason why, number two, isn't to be, isn't able to be efficient at what he does. It's because of more than just a goddamn Alan Lazzard, more than just Garrett Wilson, more than goddamn Randall Cobb, it's more to it than just that. And you know that. You got damn put goddamn mother Teresa, that goddamn quarterback, and she going to be pissed

because she'll walk right off because there ain't nothing she going to be able to do either. But you and I both know that there are situations that some receivers function better when they have a better quarterback. And I'm not, but the thing is some receivers can elevate a quarterback play. Some quarterback could elevate a receiver play. Would you agree with that state? Would you agree with that? I do agree with that.

I do agree with that. I like where you're going with that. Small case in the scenario. Yes. D. Hopp. Yes. He had a merry-go-round, a merry-go-round. A marri-coyler.

Of courtebats. Yes. Do you see what he was able to do? Yes. given the circumstances on what the Jets have to work with, I don't think there's any quarterback in the NFL playing right now that you can put and switch any quarterback on any team and put them on the New York Jets

and the offense would be any better than what we've seen today. You don't think so? No, what do you think? Tell me what you think. Be honest with me. Be honest with the people that are watching. If we put any other receiver in that offense, I said any other quarterback.

Leave the receivers as be. Any other quarterback in this NFL and put him in that offense, would anything be any different? Be honest with yourself. Now, based on what you've seen the past 10 weeks. Oh, boy, you got me. I'm glad. I like this goddamn topic. Come on.

I do think because here's the thing, Ocho, the mind is unbelievable tool. Because I don't believe that when the offense takes the defense takes the field that they believe the guy that's under center gives them a great chance of winning. Oh, whoa, the offense, but listen, that has nothing to do with nothing. You have a job to do. You have a job to do. You are playing into, you have a, when you go

out on that field as an offense, it's an individual battle between you and the motherfucker in front of you. You can't be worried about what the goddamn quarterback got to do. Because if you're doing, listen to me, if you, a belief. You got to believe you could win every battle because if you were doing your job, then your quarterback would be able to

let me, let me finish. Let me finish. 10 minutes telling me you couldn't win with those quarterbacks. How are you going to cut me off and I ain't finished? You talk about the office go out there with no belief. What belief? You got a job to do. Oh, Joe.

You got a job to do. As an officer's line, you got a job to do. When you line up, there's a face in front of you. Your job is to block the face in front of you. And when you do your job individually, it makes the quarterback job easy to be able to get the ball to the goddamn receivers. No matter. Ain't got nothing to doing no goddamn belief. So you believe, so you believe in New England.

that the guys had the same belief and everybody else to play quarterback when Tom Brady was out for whatever reason as they had in Tom Brady. Yes or no? Whoa, whoa, whoa, we talk about a great offensive line. They had a great offensive line. It matters.

They had a great offensive line. Why do you think they were able to go from Tom Brady to McAsel and still make the playoffs? They had a great line. They didn't make the playoffs that year. They did not make the playoffs that year. They went 10 and 6?

But they went 10 and 6? Yes. Yeah, they went 10 and 6. So I'm asking you a simple question, Ocho. So you believe that Kansas City, if when Patrick Mahom comes out and they put another quarterback in, you believe they have the same belief in that quarterback as Patrick Mahon. You believe it's Justin Herbert where to come.

So you believe, hold on. What is what is he just believing? I'm going to give you something that you can, that's tangible for you. So you believe that Jamar Chase and those receivers have the same belief in in, excuse me, and Jake Browning as they have in, in a Joe Burrow. You're confusing me.

What does the belief have to do with anything? You have a job to do when you walk on the field. It doesn't mean anything. As a receiver, get the fuck open. If you don't have Joe Burrow, if I'm Jamar Chase, I don't care who at the helm. The exes and knows when the place is called I'm going to be open. That sounds good.

That sounds good. I'll tell you how to operate. I don't care who at the helm. I got a job to do, and I'm going out of there and do my job. They don't pay my belief to worry about who's that quarterback. They pay me to get the fuck over and catch ball to score touchdown. That's what they pay you to do.

They do that. They do that just because you're trying to get. You got that's too much going on. You got too much to worry about already. Why are you worried about who the fuck playing quarterback? That's too much. That's for the GM. That's the head coach.

That's your, I disagree. I disagree. I disagree. I disagree. That's it. We're going to move along. Jerry Jones ranks this Thanksgiving win over the commanders as one of the top

cowboy moments. He said, I don't know if I've had a better day like this. And I'll include all of them. I'll put Super Bowls in there. I don't know if I've ever had a better day with the Cowboys than today. Jerry, what are you talking about? Jerry Jones, about five years ago, says, you don't know the size of check that I'll be willing to write to win one more Super Bowl.

He didn't say that about a regular season game, Ocho. He didn't say, you don't believe the size of a check that I would write to win a game against the commanders on Thanksgiving. or I win a regular season game. He says, you don't believe the side of the check that I'd be willing to write to win one more Super Bowl because he's starting to come to grips with this mortality. He realizes that he has less time than more time on this earth. And for him to say that, why would he say that, Ocho, when you know that's not true,

nobody that's won a Super Bowl would take a regular season win over a Super Bowl and say you feel just as joyous. I see more about Jerry and if obviously be in the face and always wanted to be in front of the camera, I think he was more so in the moment, more so in the moment and really not thinking about what happened in the past, more so just speaking just to be speaking. That's what I call. That's what I call living in a moment for the time being that you're in right now. If Jerry Jones wants to win a Super Bowl, he can put together a team to do so.

Right now, defensively, he's done a great job. There's no reason. Offensively, they are awesome. All they need is to be DAC to be DAC the way he is in the regular season. Be the exact same way. Be very efficient. Don't turn the ball over. And get C.D. Lamb involved.

Get Gallup involved. Goddamn, get cooks involved in the goddamn postseason. And they will be just fine. The only issue is, just like the dolphins. We haven't got, I think, we talked about the dolphins already, right? Yeah. We can go back and talk to them if you want to. Oh, yeah.

After we put this, we'll go back to talk to the dolphins. Just two things. Two things. One thing about the Cowboys and the Dolphins, they are in somewhat very alike. very like offensively the dolphins to me much higher ceiling and much better that in that offense very good as well obviously them having a defense i've given them the edge defensively the dolphins one thing that they haven't done this entirety the entirety of this season is they haven't beat a winning team or a team above 500 neither of them so at some point that's when they

raleigh sets in once you get to the postseason and that's it that's all they got to do but i'm trying to understand after jerry jerry last won the soup bowl in 95 So it's been almost three decades. And you're saying a team that's a team like the commanders, you've never felt, I mean, look, I've won some big games. But when you win the Super Bowl, Ocho, and you know that's the ultimate prize. Right, right, right. Even the second and third Super Bowls, which I won, didn't bring me the joy and the gratitude and the gratification that the first one. And you mean to tell me a regular season game, you've been as excited equally two or more so than than a

Super Bowl? Right. That's the regendo. Right. Did you think maybe say that to continue to to get the headlines once again to say something, to say something ridiculous to that like that? Because what's the first thing everybody going to be talking about? Jerry, just to keep

just to keep, just to keep the headlines. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what that was. But when you when you have the Cowboys, you're going to get the headlines. Oh yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Your fan base, they're loyal, they're devout. You generate the ratings. You are a

Cash cow. It goes without saying. You see, think about it. Leonel Messi doesn't say anything, does it? He doesn't need to talk. Yes, sir. Some people, they don't need to talk. It goes without saying.

When you're that entity, you don't hear the Google CEO talking. Now, Elon Musk is a different animal with Tesla. But you don't hear people from Google or Salesforce or, you know, Microsoft. You don't hear them talking. Right. The business speaks for you.

itself. Right. And that I just don't get what Jerry. What, I don't believe, I tell you what, this is what I do know, as much of the cowboy fans love their cowboys, I don't think any cowboy that was alive during this time and understands what those Super Bowls meant in the 90s, I don't think that one fan believe Jerry. I don't think one thing I believe that. Probably not. I think at this point, I think at this point, as much as much as Jerry talks, as many things as he says, whether you agree or disagree with them, those that are part of that cowboy fan base, take it with a grain of salt. I think they take everything he says with a grain of salt because they are worried and focus on production in the postseason

and nothing else matters. Nothing else matters. Yes. Because when you've had as much success as Dak has had in the regular season, what's the next step? I mean, because you say, okay, it's incremental steps. And you have to, there's a process. You win, you lose.

Okay, now we consistently win. And each year you like to think that we can progress a little further. And they haven't been able to get past that division around and even getting back to an NFC championship. So now that's the measuring stick for that. If you want to be thought of in that little small group, let's see, Joe Burrow has gone to two AFC championship games, got to a Super Bowl.

Patrick Mahomes, we'll not even talk about him because there hasn't been a year in which he's been a started that he didn't make the AFC championship. In three of those five years, he found himself in the Super Bowl, and he's won two Super Bowl. So we understand. But if you want to be thought of as those quarterbacks or those legendary,

got to go further, Ocho. Because right now, what's the difference between him and Tony Romo? Tony Romo won't division. Tony Romo won't want to, but he wasn't able to advance past the divisional round. And that's what the Cowboys,

when you look at Stalback and you look at the guys that has those Lombardis lined up in Jerry's office, the reason why they became legendary, the reason why they became folklore is because they were able to capture the ultimate.

And that's what it comes down to. this sport. In pro sports, on this menu, Ocho, there's only two things you can order wins and losses. Yeah. They don't even come with water. They don't give you no napkins. You get wins and losses. That's all you get. Right. And so I just think

that I've been receiving some criticism for something that I said last night. I said he led the league in interception consistently. But y'all know I meant turnover. So let me clarify what I said. Right. Dak has finished in seven years, three times in the top 10 in total

turnovers. Four times if you count the year because he was top five the year that he broke his ankle and missed the rest of the season. So out and he finished first last year, tied for first last year and he missed five game. So I think if somebody finishes top four, top

10, four or the seven years he's been in the league, don't you think that would qualify if someone, someone that's turnover prone, Ocho? Yeah, so yeah somewhat based on numbers. Everything is about numbers. Everything is about numbers. Let me ask you this. In 10 years, if you finish

top, if you finish top 10 and drops in four of those eight seasons, what would people consider Ocho? Drops season? If you finish top, if you finish top 10 and fumbles, in four the eight years you've been in the league, they will say you got a fumbling problem. Right, right, right. I'm just

two things can be true. That can be playing really well, and he's had a history of turning the ball over. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. And I think sometimes people lose sight of that, that two things can be true. He can be a good player. And Adrian Peterson was a historically great running back. But what did he have a problem doing, Ocho?

Fumbling to football. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So are we denying that? No, it happened. Yeah. And it doesn't take away the fact that they are great at what they do. Right. And so the thing, the problem is, is that when Dak has gotten into the playoffs,

that bug has reared its head. You know what, one thing about it, and I know them boys are going to see this, to take some of the pressure off of that, to me, I think, which would help with some of the interceptions and some of the things like that, I need my receiving core

to raise their level of play. To raise their level of play. I need C.D. Lamb to always be open. CD planned out his mind, oh, you know. I know you plan out of mind. I need Gallup. I need Brandon Cook. I'm talking about every time something is called,

every time a player is called, you just got to be there for your quarterback. I'm talking about like insurance. You know, if something happened to you and you got insurance, you know that insurance is going to cover you no matter what. I want that to be able to be blindfolded and be able to count and be able to throw a ball without even looking at knowing his receiver

is going to be there for him every single time. Every time. And I think when you get that type of trust and your quarterback receiver, knowing he going to be there for me, they're going to be fine, especially come playoff time. Yeah, we'll see these, CD has played this year like a top five receiver.

Crazy. You and I would, you and I debated with top ten. I was like, okay, borderline top ten. But he's played like a top five receiver. I think it goes without question to say it, that Tyreech has been the best receiver. And then A.J. Brown, Justin Jefferson would ball it out of his mind before he tweaked that hamstring. Chase is Chase. Keenan Allen has been phenomenal.

But, but CD, CD has been legit. CD has been, I mean, three straight, I think he had three straight games with what, double-digit catcher than a hundred 50 plus yards. Something that had never been done in NFL history. He did that. He's showing it's going to cost you a lot of money to resign him because he's in the fourth year. He got that contract coming up.

Guess what? You got that boy dog on the other side, number 11. Yeah. Double hockey sticks. He's coming up. He's going to walk his paper. Oh, yeah. So they're going to, hey, and guess what?

Dax isn't going to coming up. What you're going to do with that? Yeah. You know that when the Super Bowl, that's automatically 50 me. It's a rap. Oh, it is a rap. He gets to the NFC championship game. Now he's thrown his name into the MVP discussion

with the way he's played the last two weeks with the touchdown, the interception, the touchdown's high, interception rate low. He's thrown, he thrust his name into the equation. Right. But that's a great problem to have, Ocho. I'd rather have that problem in dealing with paying guys after I won a championship as opposed to like,

who do I pay? And we haven't reached the ultimate pinnacle yet. So that continued to play well. I was just pointing out those are some of the things. And you just can't look at the positive. Yeah, you look at guys, okay, Dax playing well. I think you and I discussed that last night. He was clean.

I'm talking about, I'm talking about Fourth Sunday clean. Yeah, I'm talking about church anniversary clean. Yeah, he was, he was, he was clean as the board of health. He was that clean he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. There's someone in the chat said, Ocho, you just ran about Lazard.

Now you're saying that the cowboys need to up their plate. No, no, no, no. I don't think he understand what I was talking about, huh? When you get into the postseason, the receivers. Yeah. What's the first thing that's going to happen when you get into the post season? We doubling, we double in CD. So I need Gallup and I need Brandon Cooks to do exactly what he,

exactly like his last name say. I need you to cook every time. I think what they're- And they've been playing really well. I think what they're saying is that when Aaron Rogers goes out, Ellen Lazare should have said, hey, I'm going to up my play. I think that's the argument that they're making.

You're saying that they're saying. Wait, wait, you can't. They don't have the same structure now. We talk about the Cowboys. Don't do that. Now, we talk about we can't compare to Jets' offense and the Cowboys' offense. Come on now, stay with me.

You said it didn't matter with the offense. You said they got a job to do. Are they doing the job? Are they doing the job in New York? Are they doing the job in New York? Are they doing the job? I've been telling you that from day one. And you argue me down.

I'm arguing you down because Zach can't do his goddamn job because the job in front of them ain't doing theirs. And how the person in the chat don't understand what I'm saying? How do you don't understand what I'm saying? Hey, someone else in the chat said, oh, Joe, low-key, you canceled your own argument, bro.

Now, they don't know. See, I hate talking football with people that don't know goddamn football. I would talk about the interception. I'm thinking about the interception that I've seen last year in the postseason. it was going to the receivers that were motherfucking covered. Everybody want to know what my T-shirt be saying.

That's a horrible idea. What time? The athletic, hold on, you want to go back to tour. Ocho, I got some concerns because the turnovers are starting to ride. You see, that's two games. The last two games, five turnovers. That's concerning because you know come playoff time. Ocho, you turn the ball over three times, two times.

You're going home. Yeah, you're going home. But listen, we just talked about that. we not just talked the other night. That was last night. Matter of fact, that got damn out route. That got damn out right. You late when it's gone. If you try to hitch, when you hit that third step, the ball got to be gone. The ball got to be gone. If you're going to miss you, you either miss wide or you miss out of bounds. Yes. One or the other. Yes. We just talked about that. Oh, Cho. Very difficult throw. And plus, Tua doesn't have the strongest arm to begin with.

You don't think so? No, Ocho. What you mean, do I think so? Listen, I ain't seen two or up close now. I ain't seen him up close to be able to judge his arm strength. No, no, he ain't got no arm. He has to throw with incredible anticipation, kind of like Brock Purdy. But I think Brock Purdy, anticipatory skills are as good as that we've seen. He just doesn't have, like, Mahomes can anticipate, but Holmes can throw the ball through an hour of a hurricane.

There's a difference. Marino had that kind of anticipation, but he had arm strength. You know, a lot of times we see guys with great anticipations. anticipation, they don't have the Josh Allen or the Brett Bar or the Patrick Mahomes, the John Elway type arm strength. Toa, if he's ever late, it's going to other way. It's really that simple. Yeah, okay.

Because the guy, because, on that out, because here's the thing, when you run that speed out, Ocho, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you hit 10 and roll to 12, that ball got to be gone. The DB. Been gone. Yes. Because if you miss, the DB's on your hip. That's why you speeding out of the thing because you're rolling away from him.

If you miss, you're going to hit him in the chest. Right. You hit a guy on the chest on the out route is going to the house. Yeah. Unless it's like 80 yards and you miss with Tyreek. Tyreeka chasing down. But other than that, that's to the house. Yeah.

He's got a full head of steam one way and you're rolling the other way. It's over. Yeah. It's the same on that hell Mary. that the Jets. I looked at the edge when the guy intercepted. I said, he tried to run this back. And she looked at me like,

I said, because you got to understand, all the receivers are in the end zone. Down the end zone, yeah. You ain't got enough of a lineman and a non-athleted quarterback that's about to try to make the tackle. You had a running back in there. He got a block.

Boom, it's over. It's a rap, yeah. It's just like Alabama. The kick six. It's kind of like a deep interception. Well, you got the receivers right there. So the guy gets the ball running back this way. It's over.

Like I said, unless you got a Tyreek. or DK, somebody that can chase him down. Down. But in that situation, yeah, you ask him, you ask him an awful lot. That's concerning for me. Yes, they're dangerous. They still had two guys over 100 yards today. One guy had 10 catches.

I think the other guy had nine catches. Tyreek and Waddle both went over 100 yards. Basically all the yards came between those two guys. I think both between them, they had like 220 or the 243 that, that are two had. But the interception, but the turnover are starting to concern me. Imagine an Olympics where

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, let's look at this Athletic, release their annual player survey. Players were asked about the favorite stadium to play in. Ooh, that's a good one. What do you think the number one stadium to play it was? The number one? Yes.

This was easy for me. I got it because it was my favorite stadium. You're number one or everybody else? No, it was there. The players, current players, anonymously, were asked their favorite stadium. Trying to think. I'm trying. Maybe I'm thinking that I'm going to just go with the two loudest stadiums.

That wouldn't be a favorite, though. Arrowhead or the 12 men out there in Seattle? Arrowhead was number one. It was. Ah, that's a good one. U.S. Bank Stadium, which is Minnesota Stadium, is number two. Yeah, it's loud, but to go there and to see, it's a sea of red. Yeah.

And they bring that BTO, B, T, B-2 bomber over, and it's just like hovering. And it's right there, but you don't hear it until it gets past you. And then it's rumbling. The stadium is actually rumbling. And all you see is red. And the national anthem and the home of the cheese. Yeah, I remember that.

I remember that. It's a, you can feel the wind of all those people saying, geez, feel it. And it just gives you. Goosebunk and you know you got to be on your best behavior. Now, when we played them, oh, yeah. They're mile high. But you have to understand it was different because when I played them in 90s, they were all the defensive team.

They were loaded. They had D.T. They had Dale Carter, they had Dale Carter, D.T., Neil Smith, James Hastie. They had Duran Cherry, Martin Baylis, Dan Salamua, Joe Phillips. They were loaded on the defensive side. And, you know, they had Barry Ward, Christian, a Cori. So Marty Schottonheimer was the coach.

They run the ball. You know, Marty wasn't going to do anything crazy and then turn it over to his defense and the A. And you see, they get you backed up. DT running the end zone and do this. That's what y'all want to see? And the fans go crazy. Oh, yeah, he said, yeah, that's what y'all want to see?

Yeah. Okay. They get you backed up, Ocho. They get you backed up. It got so loud. They had to change the rules because Dan told us, we went there one time and Dan says, John, if you can't hear,

just turn to the official. and tell him you can't hear. Well, why not going silent count? But that was before the silent, there was no silent count. We ended up, teams ended up going to the silent count. But the official would make the crowd, the whole crowd, quiet down so you can hear the snap. And they said if you didn't quiet down, then we'll start taking timeouts. Oh, okay, okay.

The NFL now we can't have that. That's the whole purpose of having a home field advantage. Right. is to have your crowd get it to it. So they changed the rule, and then everybody started going on the solid count. Arrowhead was number one, U.S. Bank Stadium. The Vikings was number two.

The least favorite stadium to play in. What do you think the players voted? I'm trying to think. I would go. Obviously, the Raiders aren't at the Black Hole, so it's nice over there, so the Black Hole wouldn't be trying to think least favorite. I got both of these.

What's fan base is really crazy? Maybe the Eagles, Eagles. Eagles? What about the Eagles? Eagles or? Yep. The Eagles? No, no, not the Eagles.

Eagles, no. The Eagles, when I played, the Eagles used to play at the vet. Right. It was turf. It was concrete with basically a carpet laid on top of it. Ouch. It was terrible, yes.

The players voted MetLife is where the Jazz and the Giants play. Oh, that is a bad stadium. And FedEx and FedEx Field. Because remember, they just had no cold. had no hot water just last, just last week. So, and the toilet's been backing up from what I've heard. But when I played, I would say vet, the Eagles play, the old Astrodome, they did away with that before you got into the league.

Cleveland Municipal Stadium was a dump. Yeah? Yeah, it was a dump, Ochoie. It was really, really bad. Yeah. The most annoying fan base. I got to be I know you're crazy

You got to be the Eagles Man the Eagles the Eagles through Snowballs at Santa You know they ain't wrapped too tight They say they say they ain't bring them Ish so they he deserved Okay the Eagles with number one Who's number two?

Number two fan base that's really crazy Oh Cho come on now It's a good one Because hey the bills Nope Most annoying Oh, annoying. Oh, okay. Oh, the Cowboys.

Thank you. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Thank you. But, you know, but see, I came along. We didn't really know how annoying a fan base was because there was no social media. So there was nobody on Dino, y'all, you suck, Cowboy Nation, and Eagles fly, whatever. Eagles fly, because I think Ravens flock, Eagles fly. There was none of that going on. So we didn't get it until you got there.

but every fan base was rabid. Check this out. Coach, other than your own, that you would want it to play for. That I love to play for? Yep. Oh, that's a good. That's an easy one.

And that Andy Reed offense. Nope. Yeah. What? He wasn't won. How he wasn't one? So depending on who you ask, if you have an offensive player,

he was three, so who would be one? If you had a coach that would like to play? I mean, that was easy for me. I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I would, I would, I went with Andy Reed, two, but I got this one, no hand. Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin. That's a matter of fact, Mike.

That's a good one. Number two. Number two was Mike McDaniel. That's, that's another good one. You notice everybody you just name a player coaches? I thought they would have named Kyle Shanahan. Can you imagine in that offense? That offense, that's a good one.

That's a good one. Everybody that those top three are all player coaches and relate very well to the players. Danny donated $70 to ask, Uncanocho, what are the best parts of playing in the NFL? What are the worst parts? I'll let you go first. What's the best part? Let me see the best part and competing.

In matter of fact, the best part to me is the game, being able to compete, getting up practicing, you know, showing other meetings, going through the game plan, going out, executing the game plan, and then going out Sunday and trying to execute it, the exact same way, you know, you did, obviously, you know, that you worked on in practice. For me, the entertainment value that for one that I was able to bring to the game, though, was bar none and one of the best things for me. The bad thing, will be the bad thing. I don't know about you with injury.

I got two, I got two repaired hips. I got a, I got a repaired eye. I had a dislocated hip. Damn. I got a broken, I got a fractured collarbone that still had to yield. God, damn. You got fucked up. Listen, I didn't have, I didn't have the injury.

But the only, the only bad thing for me, the only bad thing for me was the fact that the entertainment value that I brought to the game, they saw me as a villain and they kept taking my money over it. I think that's only now everything is accepted. Yeah, I think for me, the camaraderie. See, I enjoyed the game. But I like, I love the practice. I love the practices. I love the meeting. I love the locker room.

I love the bus rides. I love the plane. Yeah. I love all of that, the, the bonding and the journey to get to that destination, which is the Super Bowl and to win that. That's, that's the look, look, the money, look, the money because it gave me an opportunity to take care of my family in a way that I probably never could have.

Maybe I could have, but I didn't really love anything as much as I love football. Now, had I not been, had I not been able to fulfill my dreams, I was going to law school. And I think I could have been, you know, I think people like by debating skills. I think I'd be a damn good lawyer. Okay, Johnny Cocker? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know, Johnny Cocker, Willie Garry, you know, Jerry Spence.

It ought to be one of them, you know, one of them big time guys. And so I think that's the best part, Ocho, is the opportunity to provide for your family at a level that you probably didn't even dream of. Because even though I was going to like playing the NFL, man, when I'm, I mean, if you got a million dollars in the NFL when I first got there, man, you make. making big time money. Right, right, right, right. It wasn't no, it wasn't no $7, $8, $10 million deals going on. As a matter of fact, when I first got to the NFL, there wasn't even no free agency.

There wasn't no free agency. So they offered you, you had to take whatever they offered. That's why a lot of these guys stayed with one team forever, Joe. Where you going? Right, right, right, right. Who are you going? Yeah. And so a lot of, and that's what you saw is that these great teams,

all of them got, oh, you look at the Steelers, Joe Green, Mel Blunt, Lambert, Ham, Bradshaw, they traded Franco, Starworth, Swan, Webster. All those guys get old at once. Then what do you got? All those guys are Hall of Famers, but they retired within a year or two of each other. Then what?

Yeah. And when I think about it, I never really thought about, you know, the money and the financial aspect of it because I was so busy and joined the game the same way I did when I was a little shorthy. The same way I played football, I tell you no lie,

the same way I played football at Liberty City, Optimist at Miami Beach Senior High or Miami Lakes Optimus when I played them. I'm talking about back in 1988 is the same way I played the game once I got to the NFL. And the fact that they tried to get me to conform and change the way I played the game, it wasn't happening. And the funny thing about it, when we think about the NFL and when you don't abide by the rules, I didn't break the rules. I just bent them just a little bit because I felt the game should be played in an entertaining, listen, I felt the game should be played in an entertaining fashion. So the first thing they think, Well, we're going to take what you think we're going to take what we think you value most.

That's what the fines come in at. But Lord be, Lord behold, man, I'm not here for the money because I'm going to make that regardless. I'm going to play the game. The way I play is a little sortie and have fun doing it because when my time is up, I don't want no regrets about damn. I should have did this while I was playing. Rod 870 asks, oh, who is the better round runner? Ochoa, A, B. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. You know the funny thing about it? The funny thing about it is people. People won't even know. Me and A.B. training together for the past, what?

They ain't asked you that. For 13, 14 years. They ain't asked you that. They ask you a simple question. Who's the better rock runner? They ain't asking who you train with. Now, get the people of am. It depends.

It depends. I'm the greatest route runner of all time. It depends on what. Who is the better? I'm the greatest route runner of all time. Of all time. Say that. Let me talk.

Let me say something. I'm the greatest route runner of all time. There's one receiver. Listen to me. Ong, stay with me, baby. There's one receiver, and you can, NFL films has all the footage

that can come to the line of scrimmage, and before the snap of the ball, tell the DB my route and still get open. There's only one person that's ever done that. Let me finish. There's one receiver that before the season started, he had a list of every DV, every DB in his locker,

it was checking them off week to week. There's only one. I don't care what nobody else did. No, I'm talking about earlier. I'm talking about early in my crin. Oh, okay. I can't ask you no question. I'm not talking to stay with you.

Stay with me, okay. Stay with me. I'm trying to keep up with you now. The funny thing about it, that's one man. And not only it, it ain't really bad to lose to that one man because that one man is one of the greatest they ever play the game. He got you. He got you. He got you.

What that would have said about you if you'd have done a number on it? Huh? Huh? Huh? You heard exactly what I said. I would have said. I got lucky because that motherfuckerone. Because that motherfucker was good.

Boy, that nigga Revis had the motherfucking patience of Sally. Because you know, ain't nobody paying that money no time soon. But at that line of scrimmage, boy, that nigga. He ain't biting that first move. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he's not, no, no, no, no. And he got, he got, he got, he's strong. He's struck, man.

He got long arms on choke. And that first move, he ain't biting. And he's just going to turn and run. And if he, hold on. And he can do this or this. And he got that, he put that an arm bar right by your hip. So you really can't go nowhere. And then his ball playing.

skills was fucking elite. Elite ball playing skills. Elite. Yeah. Yeah. He was good. He was good. I mean, you watch him.

His feet. I mean, hey, he ain't opening up too soon. He ain't, hey, all that. He said, I see all that head moving. But that waist ain't moved. That torso ain't went nowhere. There's only one person. One person who had consistent success against Revis.

And that was Stevie Johnson. Stevie Johnson was a phenomenal. phenomenal receivers, especially in the phone booth when it comes to creating separation and making you think, making you do something you didn't think he was doing. Yeah, you got to get open up. Unbelievable. But it was rare that he opened up too soon. Very, very, very, very.

Because he never bit the first move. Mm-mm. And sometimes he wouldn't even go for the goddamn second one. Yeah, that's why I say, listen, Revis had the patience of Sally made, because you know people ain't paying them loans back no time soon, and Revis are going to sit there wait for you. He's going to wait for you. But Salomey just wait for you to get a better pay a job

And then she'll come knocking on your door, hey, I need to get that. Salamay, Salomey said, I ain't bothered you that little first job because I know that's the little, that's the little starter job. It's just like your first house, oh, Joe, you know, everybody, they got them a star of the house. Salamis, I'm going to wait. I'm waiting to that second or third job. Would you get that big payday?

And then I'm going to, hey, then I'm going to see them. I'm going to send those notices out. Oh, that was a good one. Peltzer, 17 asked, how many rings would you have one now? and how many rings would you have now in a league like this? Oh, let me go back. He also asked, who is the better round runner, me or wit? Really do?

Wait, no, you was a different type of tight end than wit. Come on, man. Just understand the game, now. I was a legit, I got drafted as a wide receiver, and they moved me to tight end, but I could still maneuver like I ran bang eight. I ran comebacks. I ran digs.

They put me outside. I ran sluggles. I ran speed out. How many tidies you think even in today's game, they're hitting 10, roll to 12? How many of them running a comeback? How many of them running a dig? How many of them running a dagger?

How many of them running a shake route? I could literally run the route tree, Ocho? Yeah, I know. I know you can. That's not even a fair comparison to ask a guy that was 228, could a guy 250 run, run better routes than me. Talk you, talk, talk,

now, talk you, talk you, talk you, talk you, I'm with you when you're right. One thing about it, I'm with you when you're right. I ain't going to all of the fact, man. I didn't see you now. I got the film. Whitney had an unbelievable career, but there ain't no tight end.

Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Not no routes. Because you've got to realize I spend a lot of time outside the numbers. Yeah. I'm running, I'm running, I'm running, what tight are you know running bang eights?

Right. now that ain't happening. Right now that ain't happened. I got a question. I got, well, no, he's just a big body with great hands. I was, I was thinking about Jimmy Smith. What do you think about Jimmy Smith? I'm in Jimmy Smith.

Jimmy Graham. Jimmy was a big body. He wasn't a route running. That's the first, that's the first thing I said. See, I look at guys like Jimmy. He was kind of like Mark Chamira, Ben Coles, Bavaro. They played bumper cars. They look into banging to somebody and bump off them.

I ain't try to let you touch me. I'm trying, oh, ooh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, No, hey, you ain't get none of that. You ain't for the judge of me. Right. I'm only 228. Right. I can't let you get your hands on me.

Right. Now, if you are safety or DB, yeah, I'm going to throw you a little ass out of the way. But if you are, you a linebacker, I ain't trying to let you get your hands on me. Right. I'm not going to let you square me up. That's the, and I always say, I'm always playing on Ocho. I'm playing half a man. Half a always.

You got to. Because I can't let you do this. It's like you here and I'm here or you're here and I'm here. And I'm not going to let you square me up. You're not going to hit me in my breastplate. No, I'm always playing on half a man. And that's what I tell the guys not. Play half a man.

Yeah. Not the whole A. Make a make sure you understand. You want to be half the man that he can be. Right. You know it's funny when I think about it, there are some receivers, big body receivers that enjoy where they really don't have the physical tools or the DNA

to play half a man because they really can't get around nobody. That will like that want the engagement. I've seen T.O. do it. I've seen Brandon Marshall do it. You ever seen that pulling tug? Yes, yes. You know how strong you got to be to have a pulling tug and still remain within the timing of an offense? Yeah. My brother was big with him like that. I tried to do, I try to pull that pulling tug shit off one time.

I'll tell you no lie, I was on the sideline. Nah, no, you definitely got to play half the man. They listen to DB rolled my ass all the way through the sideline. I say, you know what? I ain't watching the big niggas no more, man. I ain't watching the big receivers no most. No, you can't, oh, Joe. Now, you need to be in order to play through the, through the contact, right, right, right.

You need to be at least 220. Man, listen, I would, I might have been 180 at best. Guys like, guys like you said, Julio, D.O. Brandon Marshall, Megatron. It's crazy. Megatron, too. I don't understand. I don't understand.

It's crazy. I'm talking about, they would let the DB get hands on them. Like, let them get hands on them and grab on the, in between the shoulder paths and just tug and pull whichever way they want to go and be open every time. Every time?

Yeah. Because what you do when you do that, when you pull him, you launch yourself forward. That's just like a DB. If you notice sometimes DB grab you by the hill and undercutter the route

because they slow you down and launch themselves forward. Yeah. So you have to, because I did that a lot. Get beat on the block, grab the guy by his wave. Next thing you know I'm in front of it.

Man, how you do that? Don't worry about you'll see it on film. The trick is a trade. Richard Sherman also said Stevie, Stevie Johnson, who was the hardest receiver to cover? Yeah, yeah. Stevie, Stevie was shifting.

Any tall, long, lanky, lengthy corners like Richard Sherman, or even in today's game, I'm thinking about Jalen Ramsey. He would pose problems for anybody because you not get no hand. Those guys are spriders. You're missing.

You're missing. Everybody, everybody in this chat, you all remember, the AN1, right? You remember the AN1 basketball? Yeah, yeah. That's exactly how Stevie Johnson got off the ball. Him and Keenan Allen? Oh, my God. Man, saucey.

Hey, I don't know what you were in the league when, uh, Deontay Hall from Kansas City. Yeah, man, when he, remember what he did to the Broncos? I was there. What'd you mean? What did? Oh, you was on, that was a kick return to a punt return. But return. Man, the human joystick. Hey,

go back and look, he called, he called a, he caught a hitch route. Uh-huh. he juke by 12 guys had guys running in each other like looking like keystone cops Google that plate that was against us in mile hot yeah what damn that was also the game porters hit them up for like 200 and have five touchdown check this out oh joe yeah anthony a aftly erwin says he could be the first NBA and NFL player and man I think I might be the first fernie marco he sat down and did an interview with fernie marco funny marco ask are you going to do it ant man i'm going to try first i got to handle my business in the NBA Minnesota we won a championship

After that, we'll figure it out. Hmm. How tall as Anthony Edwards, about what, 6-8, 6-7? No, he's 6-4, 6-5. That's it? That's it. So then he would have to play receiver. But he'd get banged up, right?

Ocho. He'd get banged up. Ocho, I don't know what guy. Y'all crying about files in the NBA. Just imagine, when y'all shoot a jump shot, y'all concerned about coming down on somebody's foot. Right. Can you imagine you jump your ass up in the air?

they're going to smack you out the sky. Yeah, especially that tall. That's a big target, though. But maybe Anthony Edwards is built different. You know, maybe in high school he might have been a five-star recruit coming out. Obviously, I'm not sure if that would actually translate into the NFL. But still, he's a dog at what he does, especially NBA. That's that boy.

That's that boy. I'm just not sure if it would translate the way he thinks it is or would mentally. It's a different animal. It's a different animal once you get to the NFL, now, especially when you're that big. and everybody says, oh, he could play. Bro, do you understand? Look, I was in the league. Dion's a year older than me.

So Dion came in an 89. I came in 90. I was also in the league with both. So to say you think somebody can do it versus actually seeing somebody do it. But I think basketball is a little bit because I don't know how often you go to NBA games, but you go watch the NBA game.

You watch the 8th and 9th guy shoot the basketball. And they don't miss. Yeah. They'll make 10, 11, shots in an effing rope. Right, right. But the mindset to be a football player and deal with that physicality. You thought the NBA was physical back in the 80s and 90s, and even though they've relaxed a lot of the rules in the NFL. That's a different animal. That's a different animal, though, Ocho. And that's what I tell, guys, I said, look, I'm not trying to shortchange your talent

because I believe you're talented. Now, a lot of these guys might have played football, Matt Barnes played football, but he gave it up. to focus on basketball. And that's what most of these guys did. Once they got to like the eighth of the ninth grade, they gave it up. So they didn't play anymore, played the last three years of high school,

didn't play. If they went to college, didn't play. And then all of a sudden, you think you're just going to, like, pick it up. Yeah. And just, you know,

his mental, his mental capacity and the way he, just the way he built, the way he thinks, you know, based on his background, based on his upbringing, he truly believes he could transition and do it.

He truly believes that is it a reality or is it even possible? Probably not, but the way he operate and that with that dog mentality, he has the makeup to be able to do it in the DNA. But it's just obviously it's too late. It wouldn't even be possible because football, football and basketball, it run during the same time. Hey, and to speak to your fact. And you know my knowledge of the game of basketball is not where it should be.

But I'm going to a game finally. Listen, I'm going to a game. this Monday. Me and Doug, we're going to, I'm sitting courtside for the Lakers in Philly game. Okay. In Philly. So I'm excited. It's my first game in three years. Watch those guys. Just watch them warm up

and watch how effortless they shoot the ball. Yeah. And guys will make seven, eight, ten. They'll make seven threes in a row. And you're like, bro. Yeah. How are you the 10th guy and you didn't miss? Yeah. But who

do I watch? Who do I watch? Because the Philly, playing the Lakers, the Lakers, the Lakers playing in Philly. Well, you know they got Joelle and B. Hey, that boy nice. They got Tyreeze. Tyreeze has been bawling out of his mind.

Obviously, you know the Lakers. You know LeBron and A.D. Reeves. Yeah. But just, I mean. A.D. playing? A.D. playing? Yeah.

I'm going to pull him aside because he need a nutritionist. I need to holl at AD. I get right. The last time he played, that's the second game in the first 15, in the first 15, the 13, the 13 game that he's going to score. in the second half. Wait, is there a reason? I don't know what the reason is.

All I know is the Maverick has one of the worst interior defenses in basketball. And he had zero points. Well, maybe he was kicking the ball out all the time. See, I know that's my little, that's my basketball legal. He was kicking the ball out. Ocho. I ain't kicking nothing out. It's like what you said, when you got to do, when you got somebody and you know you can beat him,

you ain't telling, you ain't telling, you ain't telling Carson, and go and feed T.J. Go ahead and feel, you give me that, hey, give me that. Right. Okay. They can kick nothing out. I see where you going on. When you, when you, that's-

selfish? Is it selfish if the team is winning and there's an open man? You don't want to dish it out? You don't want to kick it out? But you're asking an awful lot for almost 39-year-old to carry you. This is supposed to be Anthony Davis's team. Right. This is what it's supposed to be now.

I remember the bronze saying that, remember? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you got to take it. Right. You got to take it. I wanted to be John Elway's go-to guy. I took it.

I made him in practice. I made it the way I practice and come game time, he know. He going to catch it or it's going to be incomplete. Well, what if his mentality is not like that? What happens? Just for the sake of the argument, a hypothetical question. Yeah. What happens if Anthony Davis had a Kobe Bryant type mentality?

He'd be the best player in the NBA. Or John Moran. He'd be the best player. Rose type of Alan Iverson that just that that he would be the best player in the NBA and see that's the difference when I was talking about you was talking about earlier

about a mindset. Right. You see how important the mindset is? Right. Ocho I played my entire career. Can he transition into that type of mindset or are the too late? Ocho, 12 years ago. Ocho, you're born with that. You think Kobe developed that once he got to the NBA?

No, no. That's start when you're little. That's that start when you little. That start when you little. that that killer mindset. You don't even know you got it. It's just the way you approach the game. Yes. Okay, okay. I was just curious.

Me, I was the youngest of all my cousins. Like, my sister's the oldest. Of all my cousins on my mom's, on my mom's side, my sister's the oldest. And so Arne L is next to her, who's seven years older than me. Eugene was six years old, rest and so. My brother's three years. My cousin's two years. And so we're playing.

They call it travel. They're doing everything. Hey, I have. had to develop a mindset, I say, I want to play. I'm tired of being picked last. Oh, okay, I'm a throw in, Ocho. Okay, if you get the best player, if you get the best player, you also got to take the worst player, which is me.

Man, I got tired of that, Ocho. Right, right, right. So I developed a mindset. No, no, no, no. Go into the park, I'm the last guy picked. Okay. Now, everybody waiting, hey, we're going to take sharp.

Right. And so that's the mindset you got to have. And like I said, I played my entire career. Ladies and gentlemen, I weighed 228 pounds. You're not going to beat me all day long, Ocho. Right, right, right, right, right. Being Scray hand, being reggie, I got to win some of these battles. I ain't saying I'm going to win them all, but I got to win some.

Hey, straight hand was strong? Man, straight, man, straight, man, straight, was he? Man, straight, hey, it was all. Like Reggie White with that one arm strong? Reggie was a different, Reggie was a different animal. Reggie was throwing 350-pound men. So what the hell do you think? I had to trick him, had to take a false step and cut him off.

Right. But, but, like, we got to the Super Bowl, I really didn't like, I really didn't like to cut. Right. Especially like the guy like them, because the last thing I want to do is injured this man. Right, right, right, right. But it was a Super Bowl. It was a Super Bowl. It was a Super Bowl.

You said, fuck it, huh? I had to get it. I'm sorry, Reggie. I'm sorry. I was cutting everything, though, Joe. I would cut it. Right, right.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you had a disadvantage, man. You had a complete disadvantage, man. Yeah. But Reggie was ungodly strong. Right. Bruce was strong. And Bruce, you have to understand.

Bruce he played basically, he got all those sacks basically in a three, four defense. So Reggie was a five technique. I mean, Bruce was a five technique. Right. That's crazy. Which is, yeah, he got 200 sacks, basically, with the exception of maybe the last couple of years in

Washington, he was a, he was a five-tech. Right. Remember Dexter Manley? Yeah. Yeah. I think Dex was gone by the time. I think, I don't think I played against him. I played against Charles Mann in Washington.

They had a, they had a good team. They had a good team. I think we played them the year after they won the Super Bowl in 91. I think that's when we played them. I think we played them in the old RFK Stadium. It was a dump to. Uh, Hey, look, Ocho, I don't know if you saw this video.

Did you see this guy made a raccoon suit? And he made it with all the ingredients that I told you. They are pepper, onions. Yeah. I saw it on Twitter. So I want you to do me a favor. You want to try it with me? Absolutely not.

No. No, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Time out. Turn out. I got to get a timer.

I got to get a full timer, Ocho. You will suck toes. but you won't eat no coon. Whoa, let's rewind that, let me rewind this again and let me press play. You mean to tell me

you'll eat some raccoon soup but you ain't going to suck no toes. No, no. No, sir. Boy, raccoons eat out the garbage. Raccoons eat everything. Come to me, but you won't suck on no toes

that's clean, just had a pedicure? I tell you what. A chicken and a hog is nastier than a raccoon. Look it up. Yeah, I know about that I know about that.

I know about that. But listen, they're all nasty. They are nasty. They all nasty. I ain't need no to. You ain't got to eat them. All you're doing, all you're taking some ice, crushed ice. Well, you got a sprain toe or something?

I'll give us some crushed ice for a sprained toe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You start with that pinkie toe. You play it like the flute, like you Andre 3000. No. Yeah. I was never in the band. And if I were in the band, I wasn't going to play the flute.

I was going to play the trumpet or the trombone. So no Hey Ocho You got Look I'm talking about Ocho Unkin Ocho Yes sir

Exotic Exotic eating We're going all over the country All over the world All over the world All over the world Eating Armadillo Pawsum

Raccoon turtle Listen we got to show That sounds like Some goddamn FIFactor shit Now that For that Now I do that

One thing I try I try anything once Yeah Anything try one Now I'm talking about food I'm talking about food I'm talking about food

I ain't, yeah. I'm about, I'm going to call you. I'm on your own. Yeah, let me clarify. Yeah, because you're talking about you're trying to try anything. Oh, no. No, no, no. The only thing I know is tricycle.

And I ain't, I've rolled one since 19, since 1983. But that thing looked good, though. You got to admit it looked good. The way he had that thing, I was some cone rays. It looked good, but would have been better is, is if we were to have a show like that, we will travel the world and try exotic foods or exotic delicacies, whatever it might be, you can't tell me what it is. Because if you tell me what it is, then mentally, I ain't going to be there.

If you don't tell me, don't tell me it's raccoon soup. Just give me the soup and let me try it. And then I'd be okay. See, I'd already got you psyched out. See, I get me, I want some of a pigger sandwich with old piggy sandwich with that rioch bread and mustard. I want pig air sandwich. I want some greens with pigtails in them.

Okay. I eat pig tails. I eat pig tail, I eat pig feet. Not pig ear and pig tongue. I know the tail you eat too, but anyway. Huh? I ain't say that. Wait, you don't, you don't eat the tail?

We got a lot of music questions, Locho. Donny donated, oh, we're moving on. Donny donated $20 there. Oh, you got off that topic, quick. Uncle 805. What music did you listen to before the game during your career? Boyd and boys hated me. And I'm sure, I'm not sure if any of my former players or former teammates

are in this chat, but boy, they, Unc, they hated me. We had a surround sound system, right? Yeah. And you know, game day, seniority rules. Seniority rules, whoever get to that surround sound system first, and that is the music you get to hear. What you had a little bit of you. Man, Unk, I had Frank Sinatra playing.

I had blues, classical music playing. Unk, I had gospel playing, and they come in there hollering and screaming, man, get this bullshit off the goddamn. We're trying to get ready for a game. And, you know, man, shit, put your headphones on. Put your headphones on. Because for me, I didn't did so much shit talking through the week, through the media, playing around, giving the other team bulletin board material. The last thing I needed to be on game day was, rah, rah, rah, hot.

I needed to be relaxed in a nice, calm and quiet mental state because now I got to go out there and perform and back up all that shit out and talk during the week. So I needed that classical music. I need that jazz. I need to hear Frank Sinatra. So I was in a calm state. So I went out there and I was able to execute and back up all that shit. I talked. Man, they hated me, man. They hated it. I was the exact

same way. Michelle Indigo Occello was one. Maxwell was two. Shotty was three. That's a good one. That's a good one. Ocho, I couldn't listen to that get me up because I'm already am. Man. My heart

be about to explode. So I needed something to calm me down. Man, man, you know what Michael Parsons say, he took that C4 powder? Ocho, I took some of that before the game. The guy's like, man, Sharp, take this. Ocho.

I like the past style, Ocho. Seriously? You took too much, huh? Ocho, I'm already am. I'm already a guy that gets going. Naturally, naturally. Ocho, I ran down there on kickoff. I missed... Man, I was on the oxygen for about

about 10 minutes, Ocho. And you was in Denver, so you're already sitting high. Already. I say never again. Listen to some music. Listen to that music. everybody, I was that height. See, when I was in Baltimore, mystical was like, remember when mystical came out? Oh, yeah, you hot.

Danger. Yeah, you were hot then. Yeah, I go. Yeah. Yeah, I go. Yeah, you were hot. You were hot. Man. And there Ray coming out there.

Any dogs in the house? I said, man, y'all on this one. Oh, yeah, they're over there. Listen, I could do it, Ocho. Yeah. That's crazy, man. I wish that's somebody. I know I'm going off topic a little bit based on the question that was asked.

I already answered, though. Ray Lewis, Ray Lewis, Lorenzo Neill, Denzel Washington, and Dionne Sanders. Yeah. I don't know. And I wish people would have had the opportunity to talk to these individuals. Just say if you have an issue in life, you know, and if they were therapists, the way they can command the air when they talk, man, it's something. They should have been preachers.

They should have been. And Renzo Neal, man, I haven't seen Zoe in so long. Zoe, if you see this, man, I love you. And Ray, you know, Ray and I, this is a funny thing. Ray and I, we read a scripture every morning for a decade straight, every Sunday. Every Sunday. And the funny thing about it is when we play the Ravens, we would read a scripted together at 10 o'clock. And then we meet up at the 50 before the game.

And then we go on the field and he be knocking me. Oh, man, I'm like, Ray, it's me, baby. that it was so funny, man. That's some of the stuff. But the question you asked earlier about what you miss about the game, that's what I miss, man. The competing, you know,

the friendships and the relationships that I built throughout the years. And I really miss that. I really, really do, man. Truly do, man. Damn, I miss them boys. No place underscore like, underscore homes donated $20.

Ocho, don't embellish. Did Toby? Weewee? Is that the guy they wrote? No, Toby, Toby Whigwee. Toby, Bigway. Okay. Did he write all the lyrics or did you have some input?

Speaking about excessive celebration with Toby. You didn't do nothing, no, Cho? No, Cho. No, he wrote my lyrics. He wrote my lyrics, but it was perfect for me based on who I was. So the lyrics were perfect. So I came with my own lyrics. But the NFL wouldn't, they wouldn't clear it.

Because when I, when I rap, I like the curse. So we had to get clearance from the NFL because this was, yeah, this is a Super Bowl commercial. It's a Super Bowl commercial. So, you know, they ain't playing about it. that. Oh no. They ain't playing about that. Absolutely. Yeah, I went I went with Toby Lierre because that is his profession. He's really good at what he does. Toby, I appreciate you. I know you're going to see this. I love you. But I was just grateful. I was grateful. I was grateful to work with one of the best artists in the game today. And it was dope. So right now, I really think I'm a rapper.

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Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just hit it. Oh, what are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would.

Come on. Could you imagine? I would buy. Cutts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer.

I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Rory donated $20 and said Meg the Stallion was on IG jamming Nickelback. What music do you like that would be a, that would surprise people? For me? Oh, Leonard Skinner. Leonard Skinner. Sweet home Alabama?

Sweet home Alabama. Freebird, simple man. Boy. Oh, I thought you told you somebody, the wrestler is the free bird? No. Free Bird, the song. Territi. No, if I leave here tomorrow. Would you still remember me?

No, Freebird, Lennar Skinner, Freebirds. But I love me some Skinner. I thought he was about to ask us a question about Meg and the stagia. I was like, I don't know it like that. I mean. Yeah, I don't know Meg either. I don't know me. I know she could rap.

She stacked up. She's stacked up. She is? What? I mean, you know, I don't really listen to rap like that. I don't know a swamp raised possum. So you don't know about this. They get the most swamp raised possum.

They pad, ocho. Yeah. Now, you get them with some good old white potatoes or some yam potatoes. And you bake that, you put that joke in the oven? Yes, sir. No. So I have a question. Would you have any interest in dating Megan Stein and Stuyallion since she stacked up like a posse?

No. What you just said? A swamp raised possum. Oh, a swamp raised possum. Yeah. Yeah, they died. I can hook that up because May it goes to get. No, you can't hook that.

No, no, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Well, make up your mind. Now, you can't give some. You can't give someone credit based on being stacked up and then say you don't want to.

Can I, can I give people their flowers, Ocho? Okay. Well, why you don't want to give Dack's flowers? Oh, Lord. I'm not saying, why you giving flowers? Did I not give Dack flowers last night, Ocho? Okay, you did, you did. I'm going to let you slap.

Okay, Danny donated $10. Hey, what about, Danny? If no, it's not much, but I love you, Chad. It's my B-Day and you have a voice of an angel. Yeah, yeah. My B-Lu-B-Lu-B. Yeah. Hey, hey.

Hey, Danny, happy birthday. I appreciate you, Danny. Happy birthday. I'm a sing, I'm going to sing Danny. Happy birthday. Oh, Lord. Have mercy. Happy birthday to you.

Yeah. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Happy birthday to my motherfucking dog. My dude, Danny. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Yeah.

You sound good. You hit it. You hit it. You sound good. Yeah. I stayed in range. Dominique, when I go out of range and I sound crazy

because I ain't had no government tea. Yeah, I got to bring it down. Yeah, yeah. Bring it down and not, yeah. Hey, salute you, Danny. Appreciate that $10, homie. Basically, stay in your talking boys. I do.

I do. You're exactly right. Until I get some vote, my vocal coach, my vocal coach, she moved a goddamn Netherlands. Oh, check this out. Jerry Lee donated $50 and asked Uncle Nocho.

Much love here from the Asian community in Central Valley, California. I need to know, does Chad Ochosinko get more numbers than with you number seven? Let's get 350 than you. Does Ocho Cinco? Oh, does he, oh, okay. Does Chad Ocho Cinco get more numbers, which means does he have better numbers, more touchdowns with me, with you than with me?

No. Yes. Yes. Oh, Lord of mercy. Yes. You believe that? Yeah. I really don't understand the question.

He's saying, do you believe that he's asking, basically asking you, do you believe John Elway would have had better numbers with you than with me? Well, if John Elway had me, then the numbers that I have right now would probably be double what they are. Your numbers? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You put me in that offense. You put me in that offense. Boy, I would have been crazy. No, you add lipped. No, that was that you add libed. I don't add lipped. I don't add lib. I didn't. How are you going to tell me I add liable?

Because I saw you do. No, you didn't. I don't add lib. I don't add lib, I don't add lib unless it's a song playing. I call carson right now. Now, you don't need to call carceton right now. Cars are a lot too. You think John L. we're going to say something against me? Huh? No, but you know, you can't, you can't add live in a time and offense, though. Check this out. Uncourt. Jay asked top five movies and TV shows guarantee you'll see in the black household. Friday, number one.

Friday, number one? Friday. Hey, I would go, I'm going to go Harlem Nights. Hall of Nights, Life, or coming to America? That's three. Hall of Nights, life, coming to America, Friday. Yeah, Friday. Who will be number five?

Training day? No? Yeah. I'm talking about like black coat, like Friday and life. Those are, I like the wash with Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre. Okay. Penitentiary was a little bit before your time. I like penitentiary.

Uh, I like dead. I like dead presidents. That's a good one. No, boys in the hood. Boys, for show. Anytime boys in the hood. Menace to society. Menace to society.

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In living color. Good times. Sanford and the Sun. Living single. Yeah. Oh, living single. That's a good one. That's a good one.

But you know, Cosby Show. Cosby Show. Classic. What he got going on, notwithstanding. Right. You can't deny the man genius

when it comes to that. I got a question. Hey, for the chat. Y'all might be too a lung. young for this but i know you're going to remember please tell me remember the episode of the cosby show when the opera singer placido domingo was on and he sang bess et me mucho you probably don't remember huh you remember that episode oh my god oh my goodness though one of the greatest episodes outside of the one where little rudy sang um the song on the stairs when they did they had the um

baby i forgot i forgot the name of the song that they sang when the whole family performed on the stair dog that was classic. Copy show was a really, really good TV series, really good TV series. Rudy Huxville grew up to be some type of woman for herself. Yeah, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Real dear, man.

Rudy Real deal, okay, now, hey, don't let Reel, hey, don't mess this up, real, talking about you can't be on the show with Hulk no more. Come on, now. I'm just saying, based on what you.

I just say, hey, you just let me talk because I don't want Ray of the counselors. Real, Real, Real, real hold a lot of power. Real, we mean no harm. We just, you know, we just chewing the fat. It's just too homies.

We just shooting the shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Rodney Dick is my home boy. Oh, in my opinion, I always felt like you could have played the NBA, a triple jump in the Olympic. What do you think? I wanted to be muscles. I wouldn't have too much muscles.

I couldn't, I got too big, I got too big. But I was, I was, I was, I was a, all of a triple jumper, you know, through the desk, long jump, ran on the relay team, average 30 in my senior year, before the three-year. before the three-point shot. Oh, you have a 30? Hit 52 and three-quarter. Hit 52 and three-quarter. Still got the record.

Who you was playing with? 52 and 52. That would you tell me? Who you were playing with? I need to see the competition. What you were like? Ocho. When it comes to me, there was no competition.

I just want you to know, check this out, Ocho. In Georgia, Georgia, let me explain to you in Georgia. Let me tell you the guys that came out of class, say, myself, Hershal Walker, George Rogers, James, Champ Bailey, Garrison Hurst, Sturton Sharp. Talk to me, that. All those guys, uh, double A, uh, what you call it was one class up, I think was a, Tekeo Spikes.

The only guys, now this last crop that's come out, Cam was like upper class, like full quality, 5A, uh, Alvin Camara. But early on, most of the guys came out of single A football. But I need to see, I need to see this 52 you talking about. I need to see the level of competition you was. playing against where you played. There was no competition. Oh, Joe. Oh, there was no competition. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So the competition was bad. I was in a class by myself. Do you understand that? Okay. I should have been.

It was just like Herschel. Hersh had 3,100 yards and 45 touchdowns this year. And people say, you see how he looked as a freshman? So imagine that as a freshman, rush for 16, 100 yards. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school? Right. You're right. Look at George Rogers. One of the high school. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school? Look at Garrison Hurts. What day you think you're going to do in high school? champ went to a class A high school all the athleticism he went to Charlton County I'm way older than champ but we played them

yeah yeah I like it I like it I like it I'm just saying that 502 boy that I got to check I got I got to see that Oh Cho check this guy let's play one-on-one If you're right I played once I got drafted I played that last I played one more year after I got drafted right I went to I went to my hometown

I say this is going to be my last time ever playing on this court right I said I'm not losing I say y'all put me with any five and I'm not losing I walked out the court undefeated never played again and that was it because I didn't want I didn't want to run the risk I didn't want to run the risk of tearing the ACA man my ohcho I didn't do anything that could jeopardize football. But I'm talking about right now. Play me since you're so good in basketball. Play me one-on-one.

Ocho, I haven't shot a basketball in 32 years. I ain't rode a bike in 40 years and I can still get on a ride. Ride to go bike. It's called muscle memory. Either you got it or you don't. Are you that boy that you just told me that dropped 52 back then? So now all of a sudden, nah, oh, you ain't done it so long. You can't do it.

If you were shooting, you can shoot. Are you Steph Curry or not? No. Are you Steph Curry or not? I ain't Chef Boardee now. Let alone Chef Steph. If you got it, one thing about us, Black don't crack and we don't lose it.

We just lose opportunities. So either you're going to get on this court and play me one-on-one, or you're scared of me. So now you want to beat a man with two repaired hips, huh? Oh, now you're making excuses? Are you making excuses?

I don't care if you're in a wheelchair. When we get on that court, I'm from the dunk on your ass. Oh, Cho, you ain't dunking number donuts. that too okay damn chaos said donated $20,000 as jams top five martial arts actors of all time dead or alive what Bruce Lee number one short Bruce Lee number one Chuck Nars yeah whoa whoa whoa whoa over van damn I'm gonna go here did he and say give him no particular order okay okay okay okay okay okay go here oh Chuck Nards Van Damme Bruce Lee Jackie Chan I was waiting on that one and it's one more what's the one Jet Lee Michael Michael J. White. Michael J. White. He is in the martial arts. What's the other guy from Jet Lee, the movie Jet Lee? Jet Lee. I don't know.

Jet Lee. That's him. That's his name? Yeah. Jet Lee. Okay, okay. Yeah. Jet Lee. Yeah. Trying to think. Michael Angelo. Jose Hollapeno on a stick donated $10 and said, hey, Ocho.

I've been trying to challenge Ocho on Xbox to a game of FIFA, but he's been ducking me. So I figured this is the best way to contact him. Love you guys. Please don't stop making the show. So Jose Hollapeno on a stick. Say you've been ducking him. He said he won't that smoke on FIFA. Well, technically, how I know Jose on a smoke jalapeno ain't really serious about no goddamn FIFA. It ain't even called motherfucking FIFA no more.

It's called EASC. So that let me know he's sorry as hell. He said he want to beat you on whatever it's called. FIFA, uh-uh-uh-uh-uh. Whatever you call it. He ain't going to lose to me. He's going to lose to me because he even saying the title right. He knows how to find me.

Anybody in the gaming world knows my game. tag and they know how to find me. I ain't hard to find. You scared? Child, please. You scared? I ain't hard to find. You're scared? I mean, I'm fine. I know. Even if I'm scared, I ain't hard to find. All you all you got to pull up. What you're running from? Same reason you want to play me one-on-one? Ocho. I have-

The last time I don't care about your surgeries. I don't care about your hip. Play me one-on-one. I don't want to hit nothing. The last time I shot of basketball, I weighed about two hundred and twelve pounds. I'm about 247. And I don't know. I'm about 247. And I don't I'm a lot more muscle bound now than I was then. What does muscle have to do? Dwight Howard, muscle bound, too. He ain't made no excuse. Hey, he can't shoot worth a lick.

Well, you better go to the hoop. You better go to the hoop and try to lay it up. Go to the hoop and try to lay it up. Ocho. Ocho, see, I just, hey, all I'm doing is drovel just like this here. That's fine. That's fine. I'm coming up right up under it, and I'm stealing the ball.

Next. Oh, Lord. Next. Ocho, you can't play no basketball. You didn't play basketball in high school. Yo, did you not listen to me when I told you multiple shows ago the NBA players come to train with me

to help with a off the ball movement and come, what? And coming off the dribble. All I know on the all area team, if you go back and look at 19, what was that, 85 or 86, I know two players made the team, Shannon Sharp and Purvis Ellison.

I ain't heard of him. I'm talking about 20, 20, 23. I want to play one-on-one. I come to L.A. I come to L.A., get your camera crew, so we can have some footage. Nightcap, Ocho, Ocho versus O. I tell you what. I'll play you in the basketball. You come in the gym and work out with. I can't. We're going to put some weight on there. I can't. I'm boxing right now. I cannot lift any weights. Oh, oh, look at, hey, look at Holyfield. Holy field. Holy field lifted. Mm-hmm.

Holy field lifted. Please understand. Please understand. I cannot lift weights. I can only do bandwork right now and light. The inability to do something. Chad Ochosinko Johnson has the ability. I cannot lift heavy weight right now because I have a fight coming up. That ain't got nothing to do with me. All right. I cannot shoot light basketballs right now. You understand.

I'm training for something. Yes, you can. Okay. What's you trained for? Is he scared? You're trained for Mr. Are you training for Mr. Olympia? Ooh.

I'm trained to put these little pythons around your neck. I'm about to put a drake. on you. First thing I see you, I put that Dreyman on you. You see that right there? Nah, nah. Ain't, ain't gonna happen. Go to sleep. Go to sleep. Beat you down, beat your old man down to.

Yeah. Bill Steeler donated $50 and asked if you guys switch positions in your career, who would have excelled in a new position? Also, when are you bringing La Porteie down here to Canada? Hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving. First of all,

See, I played wide receiver at least for two months. He ain't never played tight-in. What you mean? I played running back. I played running back. We are tight-in in the NFL. Well, I ain't built to be no tight-in. So it's a hypothetical question that just really don't make no sense.

But honestly, I'm just the better player all around. So regardless of what position I would play, obviously, it would be me. No. Common sense, tell you that. No, common sense. Yeah. Imagine if I play a tight-in? Man, give me, give me three.

You're going to throw your little ass all over the place. You're on the way of $1.50. No, no, no, no. I'm, I got obviously, hypothetically speaking, I would be $2.28. $2.28 with these feet? Shit. You're going to have to feed at $2.28. I promise you that.

You're going to have to feed at $2.28. No, you're not. That's a good question. You might have a better feet than what I had, but you had that you got that you had when you played. Not that way. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

You're right. You're right. You're right. But are you going to come work out with me? Yeah, yeah, but I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, when the, when is the boxing exhibition? February. Okay, once the fact, was that over with? Yeah.

We're going to put some weight on. Once it's over with, matter of fact, I can show, matter of fact, when y'all edit, when we talk about edit, the people can find the pitches while I was about 205. And I, I'm, they, they online, I was huge. I was about 205, I was huge. And you can never been 225. You can't bitch 225. Couldn't. There's footage on Twitter and Instagram

on me benching 315. No, sir. This is when I was big. I'm serious. It might have been 2018. I was, I looked like a fucking, I looked like a fucking tight end.

I was huge. You didn't. You didn't. All right, you'll see. Somebody going to pull the, somebody going to edit, somebody going to pull it. I was huge.

Any more quick? What do you want to talk about, Ocho? We got like five more minutes to go. Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I'm feeling good today, too. I've been talking, I've been talking like crazy. I mean, you got really, I mean, you're there. You got really, oh, pro football focus had Alan Lazard drop percentage on on target passes at 20%. The next worst is Van Jefferson at 18%. Was Van Jefferson ever a healthy scratch? No.

Oh, yeah. Remember they went out and got Odell with Van Jefferson there. Puka, Nakua is playing in front of him. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, you've been a healthy scratch. No, I ain't a healthy scratch. Oh, Joe, look, you see, what you're doing is that you're shooting the harbinger,

which is the messenger, which is me. No, no, no, no, but your message is wrong. You got the right, you got the right message, but the wrong messenger because what you're saying is not the reason why he was a healthy scratch. You ain't said, oh, he's a healthy scratch because, oh, he dropped balls. They don't even make no goddamn sense. Why you beat up the mailman for delivering the bills? You're the one that got them people-ish.

No, no, no, no, no. You beat me up because all I didn't do my job. You are because you're saying he's a healthy scratch for the wrong reason. That's not the reason. I'm just telling you what was reported. But the, so you believe everything you read? Do you believe everything you read? So let me ask you questions.

Do you believe everything you read? Why did, so why wasn't he in uniform and he's healthy? That's why, that's the first thing I said, it's probably something internal that we don't know about. And goddamn, whoever reported, it just motherfucking guessing, oh, this is the reason. when that ain't even the goddamn reason and we're running with it when I know that's probably not it.

Oh, Joe. I guarantee that name because I ain't never heard of a healthy scratch. Oh, you know what? He'd drop it to any balls. Let's pitch him. What? The internal issue

that he hadn't played well. That's not it. That's not it. Oh, hold on. Robert Salo, when asked why Alizard was a healthy scratch, he know his play is not up to standard. Robert Sala,

Josina Anderson just reported Robert Sala on why Alan Lazar was a healthy scratch. He knows his play is not his standard. Well, if that's the goddamn case, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no. If Robert Sala, let me finish,

let me finish, I'm going to let you go, if Robert Sala said Alan Lazzar's play is not up the standard so he was a healthy scratch, they should have forfeited the whole fucking game because the whole offense ain't been up to standard since the season started. They should just forfeited the game.

It's quite off the-out. Ain't nobody offensively done done shit. So they're just to forfeiting the goddamn game. It's not playing the Dolphins. I'm just saying if that's the excuse you want to lead with, if that's excuse Robert Sala want to get a motherfucking media, that's some bullshit. Benjair goddamn body.

I'm taking a bag by this. Oh, my God. I'm just saying if that's what he want to say, if that's what they want to say, his play isn't up to stand. What neither is the other motherfucking tent on the goddamn field. Fitch everybody. Wow. Scapego.

I think you owe, first of all, I think you owe an apology. You owe an apology. I love you. I love you. I'm just, I'm speaking my feelings. I'm speaking my feelings on that bullshit excuse. Don't coach just used. Alan Azard is the goddamn scapegoat because shit ain't going well.

You know what? I got to find a way to get the heat off of, I got to find a way to put the heat on somebody. Oh, you know who we're going to pick on? No. We're going to pick on motherfucking all of Lazzar. You told me. You made me. out here and give Jalen Hurd and give

Dak Press got an apology. I want my apology. When I tried to tell you. You apologize because you call me a lot. You say you big, ballhead black lie. Now, I want an apology. And I know the people in the chat. People, let's get a thing.

Do y'all want Chad to give me an apology? I think the people in the chat, the people in the chat, they better be on my side and see and see through bullshit that they do it over there in New York. Borgiard? Ain't no Borgia. Hey no Borgia. Oh, that's Bulljad. Oh, his play hasn't been a standard.

Well, who motherfucker has? Who has play over their hands? In week 10, name me somebody who played in New York, play has been up the standard. Ocho, what you just told me when I said you got to have a belief, you say it's your job to do your job. Why are you worried about what somebody else is doing other than Alan Azar? Let's talk about him.

I'm just going about what you said. You said. Well, based on what the co-said, the co-said, Alan Azar play wasn't up the part. That's why it was healthy scratch. And then my next bit was, well, who the fuck play has been up the part? I'm talking about him. Okay.

This is a team game. It's a team game, ain't it? It's a team game or not? I'm just waiting on my apology. Okay, I'm sorry. Thank you. That's all you had to do. But still, boy, what it, a boy, boy, Robert Saleh.

I think he's slick, boy. It wasn't apologizing. Don't try. Don't try. Don't try to put that on my dog. Don't try to put that on my dog. Oh, here's playing out the bar. Well, God damn, who's playing?

Has been at the part? Yes. And the fans say, you, you supposed to have apologized, but he did. And I appreciate that. I don't try to leave. I try to take, oh, listen. I see the game. I see the games they play in New York.

I read through all the little bullshit. I see what they're trying to do. I see what they trying to do. I see what they're trying to do. If I tell you, I see what they tell you. I see what they. trying to do.

If I tell you duck smoked cigarettes, check his wing. He got a pack up under there. So when I tell you, so believe it. I know you, are you, how do you not see what they trying to do? How do you not see what they trying to do? I see what you're trying to do. How do you not see what they're trying to do? I see what you're trying to do.

We got the finest scapegoat. You know what? Let's, Blake, let's put it on Alan Lazard. Oh, oh, uncle, apology. 75%. Let's, hey, let's put it on Alan Lazard. You know, get somebody to heat off the head coach. somebody hit off Zach Wilson.

They get somebody hit off oil. Guess what, listen, say with me, now. Guess what's going to be the headline? Oh, Al-Lazar, bench, because of he was a healthy scratch. That's all they're going to talk about. Watch. Gary, that's all they're going to talk about. And you over there talking about, I'm appalled.

Somebody would say that about Al-A-L-A-Zar. Hey, they think they slick over there, New York. Trying to put that. Nah, they think they slick. Desmond Bynum donated $10. $10, him of Savannah in the house. Appreciate that. Des, Des Waugh, Bynum.

Which state produces the best NFL players, Georgia or Florida? Florida. I close. I get, it's close. It's close. It's close. You all got to. Florida.

Florida. Okay, okay. Because you talk about this close. I mean, you've got some talent come out of there. Now, no disrespect. We y'all got some dogs now. But Florida, boy, it's something in the water, boy. It is.

It's something in the water at Georgia. That's why them bulldogs kicking. What's our Florida schools doing that? Huh? What the Florida school was doing, them Georgia booed all? That wasn't the question. The question was asked. Okay.

Yeah. Stay in, state, state, state. Yeah, in Georgia. I've been in Florida, Florida. But, but you know, hey, look, I mean, you know, Georgia, Florida, Texas, California, then probably Ohio, something like that. Yeah. But we're in the top five for sure.

Yeah, most definitely. That's definitely. Y'all top five. Did we, did you, you didn't mention Texas, did you? Texas got the voice tonight. Georgia, Florida, Texas, Cali, Ohio. Louisiana is up there. to the boot. The boot got them too now.

Yeah. But it's the southern states where it's warm down near year round. We get out there barefoot in no shirt. We run around on the dirt road or that black ass fault. We get used to that. We get used to that. Ocho, 75%,

say you owe me an apology. But God damn, I don't apologize already. I just like, did y'all like Ocho apology? Do y'all think you bitch? I ain't got nothing to do with that now. Not apologize already. No. An apology.

So I just want you to know, the best apology is change behavior. So don't you question, Unk. Well, what we got here? What we got? We have another question in the dash? Oh, shit. Hey, that was funny. Yeah, New York media.

I know y'all going to see this. Y'all ain't slick. I ain't going to let you pull the wool over my eyes. You can pull it away everybody else. Since most top 50 NFL draft picks by home state since 2019, Texas is number one, 35, right? Florida is number two at 29.

Georgia is number three at 26. California is number four at 19. And Louisiana is number five at 14. I love how we capped it off at 2019. I mean... No, I'm saying, no, we... What do you want to go back to 1950? Now, I go to 2000.

2009. Oh, man. Man, there nobody got all... Man, we have to go. go. Yeah, you see what it is. It's only three. And so it's close. You try to make it seem like y'all have 50 and we got 10. It's close. I told you. I said it's close. Okay. All right. But I'm not surprised by Texas, given how big Texas is. It's huge. Right. Yeah. Good high school football. Good house football down in.

Texas probably got more people than Georgia combined. So I'm not surprised. Right. But I'm surprised that California, because California got 40 million people, got more people than anybody in the state. So I'm surprised that they don't have more. Aren't you? Yeah, yeah, most definitely. When I think about California,

for some reason, all the linemen and the quarterbacks come from California. They do. All the linemen and the quarterback come from California. We have a skill position here and there, but more so from the south, all the skill position players come from. And every blue moon, you know,

you sprinkle a nice, legit one. Yeah, because you get C.J. Scrow, he's from California. You get Bryce Young. He's from California. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. It's always been like that.

Yeah. And, well, what's it called him? He's not, I think Caleb Williams, I think he's from D.C. Okay. DMV area. That's what I think he's from. Yeah, I think so. He's not from Cali.

He just went to, he went to Oklahoma first and then transferred with the coach out there. Guys, thank you for tuning in for, our special episode of Nightcap, even though it was Daycap. Make sure you click that subscribe button. Make sure you click that like button. Make sure you got to get us to 350 by Monday. Where are we? Are you going to get 335?

Let's go. 350. Okay. We're nine, we're eight, we're eight subs away from 335,000, oh, Joe, eight subs away. So we're going to be. And we got, we got Sunday, Monday. We got two shows. So we got Saturday.

So we got to have. about 15 we got to average about 15 about 5,000 a day in order to uh in order to get that number it's going to be very very special because i you know our end goal is obviously to get a million subs we got to get a million that's our goal yeah yeah and then you know two more questions in fact did you hear from the daughter yet about what what you mean about what i don't talk uh what you call them and say, Hey, is McClendon. Donated $10. I want to give you an Ocho,

much break for putting in work. My question for both of you is, was D.Bs? Okay, what D.Bs gave y'all fits in your day playing? Well, the guy, I think, that made me to come to Blair I am, is Albert Lewis. Long, 6-2, he was 6-2, could play inside, could play outside, came from Grambling State, feathery. He constantly gave me a different look. I made, he made me, he forced me to become what I became because I knew if I could beat him,

I could beat anybody. Right. And so he had the most impact that says, okay, in order for you to be what you think you can be, you have to consistently beat him. And I knew I was legit when he was in Kansas City and the Raiders signed him, he was their number one, he was the number one free agent because I was cooking the Raiders. I couldn't have nothing nobody could do anything with me T-Mack, Eddie Anderson, none of them

Washington, none of them couldn't see me I cooked them all so they went and got Albert right he slowed me down but he ain't stopped me He slowed me down but he didn't stop me Which Michael asked better safety

Steve at water Troy Palo Malo Ronnie Lott They're all different Different because you do realize Ronnie came in as a corner. Ronnie was an all pro at corner. Yeah. So people don't realize that.

He moved to safety. He was, they were, they were different. Atwater was a true strong safety. Like Brian Dawkins. Like BDalk. And although Troy, they did, Troy was so skilled.

He lined up everywhere. Everywhere. He'd be at the line of scrimmage. And he's supposed to be in the hole. or he's supposed to be in the 2D. I'm like, bro, why? I mean, my last year was his rookie year because he had Ed, if I'm not mistaken, came out the same year.

Yeah. No, Ed came out my last year. Troy came out with Detroit. Did they both come out in 2003? I think I played against Ed one year. I think I played against Troy one year, too. It might have been, did one come out, no two, and one other came out of no three?

Or both came out no three? Both came out no three. Troy came out in 03 Ed came out in what O2? I think Ed came out in no 2 because Ed, I didn't play with Ed I left Baltimore after the O-1 season

and I think so where did Ed come out? O2, Ed came out in O2. Ed came out no 2. But for me, the best safety that I ever broke down that I ever played against that I ever saw with Ed Reed.

Yeah. For me, for me was Ed and Troy. Ed and Troy. Ed and Troy, unbelievable. And the fact that the matter was they did things, I call it exotic coverages. They did things that were very confusing that no other team could do because of the way the defense was constructed.

There was no weakness in the secondary. There was no weakness at the front line. And they did some of the craziest stuff, just like you mentioned, Troy, we don't know what the damn coverage is because everybody had the goddamn line of scrimmage. Everybody. And as soon as the ball snap, everybody running to where they're supposed to be. And you got to hold the ball because you don't know what's going on. And previously, somebody asked a question about what DB gave you the most fits.

And for me, it really wasn't a DB in itself outside of what, outside of where Revis did. But early in my career, the good battles where I had to, you know, tie my shoes tight, Ike Taylor, Lee Barden, who else, man, who else? Chris McAllister, you just choke you out. Chris McAllister. Like you got to be on, you got to be on, you got to be on, you got to be on, a game. I had to be on a game every time.

I mean, those are something that I can remember. Those battles were really, really good. They were really, really good with them. It was back and forth. Back and forth with them boys. The thing for me, Ocho, Cho, is that when we played physical corners, was not getting to a physical battle with them. No, no, no. I'm going to lose

that every time. Right, but see, me, I wasn't going to lose it, but then I get, I forget trying to go out, I'm supposed to be out trying to catch a pass instead of just beat the hell up out of the DB. And a lot of time, like, we play James Hasty, and Hasty, I know you're see this. Him, bro, I just be like, I mean, sometimes I would just go out there as like, hey, I don't even want to catch the fans. I just want to go out there and fight it.

I just want to go out there and try to run, slap over the top of it. I want to throw, don't even throw me up, don't even throw the ball my way. Don't even look at me because I ain't even looking to get over. I'm just looking to run right over. I'm just going to run. And when he don't move, I'm going to put my helmet right up on his chin. Right. Oh, James. DC, even though we home boys, it was just something about like, okay, I know he was going to be dirty with me and I wasn't going to be dirty with him. Right. But, bro, Kansas City is just like,

bro, you're in Kansas City. So I know we're homeboy. I'm going to throw that issue out the window for the day, for the day. I ain't going to cut you. I ain't going to cheap shot you. But you know you're going to get this work, though. Oh, yeah. And if I get a chance to crack back, I'm going to try to declet you. Got to get him

out of it. I got to get it. But they were so different. Troy probably was the most athletic. Yeah. Ronnie probably had the most impact. But see, the thing is that when they played back then, Ronnie would have been suspended. You can't hear people like Ronnie was hitting people like Edward and they would have been out of the league.

Suspended. They would have been out of league. You see Kareem Jackson. You see how Kareem Jackson is about to miss six games. Again? That's the way Ronnie locked. Yes. Oh, you want to let's talk about.

Ocho, they suspended him for hitting Joshua Dobbs. It was a third and one, and they ran a quarterback power. Kareen Jackson comes and he'll see me his chest with a hell. I saw it. I saw it. Ocho, you're not afforded the same protections as a runner as a receiver, as a quarterback in the pocket. He's a runner.

It's 31. You no longer get those protections. So what do you do? What do you do? On 31, I'm not going to let you fall forward. And he's like, I'm not, if I hit him in his leg, he's going to fall for the first down. He's going to hit him in his mouth.

So as a defender, what do you do? Because they've handicapped, they've handicapped the game to a point where it makes no sense where you just can't, you can't do anything. You can't. And my pushback is, as a runner, you're not afforded the protection as a receiver in the air or a quarterback that's in the pocket. You don't, you are a runner. Right. So how am I supposed, especially, ultra, we come in this way.

It's third and one. If I tackle you at the legs, what you're going to do? You're going to fall for the first down? For the first down. I'm trying to hit you up top to keep you. That's why, like, guys tackling the guy around the legs on the one yard line. Right. He's going to fall in the end zone.

For a touchdown, exactly. So I'm going to try to keep him getting that first down. I'm going to hit you in your mouth. And you're a runner. Yeah. Duck. The advice I got for a quarterback. When you see a safety like Kareem Jackson come barreling down, Doug.

Yeah. You don't want to get hit slide. I don't know to tell you. Makes no sense. Not in that situation. Not in that situation. No, he's a runner. He's not afforded protections of a defenseless receiver.

He's not afforded the protection of a quarterback that's in the pocket. He's running the football. He's a running back. You would have never, the question is, would you ever call that play if it was a running back? No, because that's what Joshua Dobbs is. The moment that he has, it's like a power, quarterback power, and he tucks that ball on his arm. He's a runner.

He's a runner. And he's a runner. And me too, I'm a runner too, and I'm trying to run through his ass. Paul, but I'm trying to hit him. That's what I, oh, he coming. I'm trying to hit him dead in his mouth. You're not going to get this first down. It's going to be fourth down.

Y'all got to go forward on fourth. But I'm going to hit you in your, I'm going to hit you. I'm going to hit you dead in your chest as hard as I can. You're going to get fine. You're going to get suspended, too. Oh, show. Because what you're telling me, if your quarterback, if you're a coach, don't care any more than to have you run it,

if he's not protecting you, why should I? Should I? Exactly. What did Tom Brady say? It's not the defensive player's job to protect the offensive players. Yeah. So if that's what you think of you? What the NFL is doing is the NFL is now putting the defensive players.

the players in harm way because now you're going to start trying to tackle in a way that you can tackle, a way that you haven't been able to play all your life and start trying to do something you're not supposed to do and you can hurt yourself. And you remember, Ocho, when they started by the heads and guys started hitting guys in the knees and tearing the ACLs. Yeah, tearing the ACLs. You can't win. You can't win for losing.

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