The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Eagles Beat the Bills in OT, Beyoncé on Blue Ivy's Haters, T.I. Drama

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles beating Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills in overtime (12:00), the Chiefs handy win over the Raiders (44:00), T.I.’s public feud with his son (52:00), and so much more. #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you again for joining us. We have included the Shade by LaPorteur, Link, at the top of the chat. Holidays right around the corner. Make sure you go out and get yourself for someone you love a special bottle. Christmas, birthdays, and New Year's is right around the corner. Let's get into the action because we want to touch on a lot of games tonight, Ocho. The Ravens beat the charges, 20 to 10. Lamar was 18 or 32, 177, one touchdown, but it was the defense that came up big tonight.

The Baltimore Ravens defense forced three first half turnovers, and the Ravens offense only managed a field goal on those takeaways in the first half. Then Janavian Clownie got a strip sack in the fourth quarter. and then, you know, the offense went three and out. Zayflower said, you know what? I'm going to put the end of this. I'm going to the house. Oh, yeah.

2010 final score. What did you take away from what you saw from the Ravens tonight? Obviously, the Ravens played good football, good balance football at that. Good team. Yeah, the defense did what they needed to do. And the offense was just, they did just enough to win the game. Obviously, the charges have continued to lose very close games. They were in the game at the very, at the, towards, towards the end of the game,

and the Ravens took advantage of the opportunities towards the end of the game. As far as they flowers, the real deal, man. The real thing. He's going to be a superstar in this league. I don't mean to switch teams, but so is Tang Dale. Those two, as rookies, the way they're playing is if they already arrived, they plan some good football. Lamar Jackson, he didn't have the numbers that were used to seeing from him

offensively as the quarterback, but he was efficient. Did he have a turnover? No, he didn't have a turnover tonight. No. Yeah, yeah, he had a clean game. But the defense won that game for the night, but when they needed it all. But I think they got the ball back, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The big lineman did get it back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think the thing is, oh, Cho, the way he started the game, I thought he was going to like, oh, man, he was like, like eight of his 10,

first 10 passes. He had like, okay, it's going to be one of those type of games because he is completing around a little over 70% of his passes. So I thought it was going to be one of those games. But you see as the game started to progress, the charges says we're not going to let him sit back. We're going to start beating him up. We're going to break some pressure. A little pressure on him.

Yeah. Yeah, they started Khalil Mack started collapsing the pockets. They started bringing that extra guy to try to speed him up. But I think the thing is what really saved these guys tonight because the offense, like you said, didn't have it going. They didn't turn the ball over. And if you don't have it going offensively, the last thing you can do is turn the football over. So they did a great job of not turning it over while their defense forced turnovers. and he'll be a charge of high-powered offense to only 10 points.

Yeah. You know, for whatever, look, when you look at Justin Herbert, you see a physically gifted quarterback. A guy's about 6'5, 245 pounds. Superior arm talent. Superior art talent. He can make every throw on the field. You see him take off on the run.

He got better legs than what you would give him credit for. But all I know is he's 30 and 31 and 61 starts. That's what he is. I mean, look, we can keep saying, oh, oh, he's this, he's that. At the end of the day, there's a short menu in pro sports. It's wins and losses. Right. And all I know for all that superior talent that he has, arm talent, physical tools, losses are here.

Yeah. Wins are there. Yeah. And the thing about it, obviously, too, with him being a superior quarterback, as he's viewed tall, six, six, you know, all the attributes and being a great quarterback, like he also has a supporting cast around him to be successful. But something about the charge is always losing close games. Always losing close games. And this is what's going to make or break them as far as being a playoff contender and going home in January.

Those close games, the playoff teams win those. And most of them are by three. Every time they have a close game, they always lose by three or less. Yeah, you don't have to win them all, Ocho, but you need to win more than what you lose. And they seem to be on the short end of those close ball games. Yeah. And so that's telling for me is that I don't see how, and I don't advocate for anyone losing his job.

But I think Brandon Staley's stay in L.A. is definitely going to come to an end at the end of the season. Because if you go back, they lost a lot of games. As you said, 3.7 points. Then you finally make the playoff. You get a 27-0 lead at half. and you give it all back. Yeah.

And you seemingly have a recover from that because you're still losing close ball games. And your defense, tonight notwithstanding, I thought your offense put you in harm's weight by turning the ball over like they did. Right. Is that that defense has been, and that's Brandon Staley's Forte,

that defense has been less than desirable. And considering the talent that they have on that side of the ball, Ocho, they should be a lot better statistically than what they are. Right. Do you think they should give Brandon Staley a little bit more leash? Or do you think it's really his time is up based on the personnel and what he has to use defensively? Obviously, Khalil Mack, Derwin James. No, Abosa, Durwin James.

Yeah, yeah. Do you think it's his time? You want to start fresh? Yeah. Consider considering. Now, look at what you got. Look at this quarterback. They got Keenan Allen.

They got everything. They got guys. I understand the big Mike Williams, the other receiver, he goes down early in the season. But there is no reason. Ocho. You mean to tell me with that offense, you give me 10 points? That's what you gave me. Yeah, you're right. Now, mind you

that they plan against arguably the best defense in the league tonight now. Okay. I'll concede that to you. But with that offense, why do you continuously lose these close ball game? And a lot of times you have the ball in your hand at the end in order to either tie the game or to win the game and you still

come up short. Right. Okay. You're right. You're right. It's hard to argue the fact. Very hard to And you look at their defense with the names that I mentioned. Khalil Max been a defensive player of the year. Joey Bolso was a rookie of the year. And guys have been a multi, multi-time all pro, multi-time pro-bow players.

You can't have that when you have that level of talent scattered throughout the entire team. That's just that won't cut it. And so I just don't see how he holds on. Justin Herbert was 29 of 44, 217, one touchdown, one interception. Jose Cardoza donated $20 and asked, oh, do you think a better coach can help Herbert overcome those last minute drives? They're all out blitz. They all out blitz.

Yeah. With a guy like that, I got to make you make a quick decision. I can't let you sit back there and think about what you in. And, you know, okay, scan, left or right. Okay. Right. No, I can't let you do that, Ocho. I got to make you make a decision quick.

He'll pick you part. He'll pick you part. And more times than not, Ocho, if I can speed a guy up, I'm going to make it make a mistake. And that's what I'm trying to do. But it takes courage to do that now. It takes courage to blitz the guy that he has legs. He can jump out the window and take off and get a first down.

And if everybody's back to a turn to him, he can run a long ways. He can make every throw, even if you're hanging on him, Ocho. He can throw a 10, 15, 20 yard out. He can still get the ball out under heavy duress. But I just, something, something's not clicking. Yeah. Something is going on with this team that says maybe a new leadership is what they need. Yeah, I hate the fact that normally when you have a well-constructed team like this, like they do have.

I hate when things don't work out. And obviously, and change is needed, obviously not from the front office, but from the coaching perspective, And most of the time, I say this all the time, players get coaches fired. But that's not the type of roster that gets the coach fired. Why they're not clicking and why they're not playing well, why they're not winning those close games, I will never understand. I will never understand. And it's been like that for what, two years now?

Three. One on two years, yo, three. Because you remember when he first got there, you know, he was going for every fourth down, fourth and two, he's going for it. Oh, yeah, look at that. Oh, he has courage. Okay. That'll bite you in the butt now.

You got to play at the end of the day, you still got to play smart football. You continuously go and forth on your own 20 and 30 yard line and it's fourth and one. That's not smart football, especially so early in the game. And you fake putting it there at a time and a place for everything. But eventually your look's going to run out. And like I said, when I look at this team and I look at the talent that they have, I'm a Kenan Allen and an Austin Echler and a Justin Herbert and an Everett and all those guys. at the skill position,

Ocho, there ain't no way, ain't no way they're supposed to be playing like this. You're right. You're right. You're right. You know, the funny thing about it is when you have a team constructed like this on both sides of the ball, I would almost say damn near equivalent to somewhat of the 49ers.

I'm not saying that of 49ers. I'm just saying as far as the personnel and comparison on teams, they should be playing that type of football or getting the same type of results that the 49ers do. with their squad. Yeah, I totally agree with it. Probably the game of the day, the Eagles beat the bills in overtime 37-34.

And remember we talked about this a couple of weeks? That was a great, that was a phenomenal game. Jalen Hurts, Ocho. He started 4 of 11 for 33 yards and an interception in the first half. Yeah, horrible. And he rallied. He ends up throwing for 200 yards,

three touchdowns in the second half. He added another 65 yards running. and two touchdowns. Now he has 11 multi-touch touchdown games in his career, breaking a tie with Cam Noon for the most by quarterback in the Super Bowl era. Last week, Josh Allen was caught by NFL's films declaring, I feel like I'm effing back. His statement also came against the giant, I mean the Jets.

Josh Allen now is 0 and 6 in overtime. He was 29 or 51, 339, 2 touchdown in the interception. He also had two scores on the ground, a team high 81 rushing yards. What was one of your, what was some of your takeaways from this ball game? I mean, obviously, the Eagles didn't play well in the first half. Jalen Hurst didn't play one in the first half. The Bills. I thought the bills were going to come away with this one.

Obviously, Josh Allen being 0, 1.5 before the game it ended. And obviously, looking like they were going to win the game. I was not hoping. I'm not going to say I was hoping. But Josh has been playing extremely bad. Obviously, they play the Jets. I'm really not counting that win because the Jets are a bad team. And so I'm not going to count that win.

So I was hoping this would have been good motivation. This would have been a good confidence builder, you know, for the team. A good one, especially being the Eagles team, obviously that is 9 and 1 or maybe 8 in one at the time. I got my numbers confused. But either way, it would be great for them to finish this game off the right way. Yes. I thought they had it in the bag. I honestly did.

I thought they had in the bag. obviously the Eagles, they're going to the playoffs. They're going to the playoffs. They're going to make a long run. The bills, I don't know what's going to happen. Obviously, they were six and five coming into the game. They haven't been playing well. They've been very up and down all season long.

Diggs hasn't been happy. Josh hasn't been happy. Gabe Davis, not one goddamn target last week against the Jets. Not one target. You know, he had a- He missed it. He had an okay game. Josh missed him today in OT. He had the four touchdown.

They came with the bomb. They came to blow it up, and he had him, and he missed him. Yeah. Do we blame Mother Nature a little bit? No. Ocho, did you see the guy kicked a 59-yard field goal in that driving a rainstorm? Yeah. Hey, oh, yeah.

And that would have been good. The ball looked like it had been good. It looked like it had been good from 65-70. Yeah. Because it hit the back of the net. Mm-hmm. That was a good kick. Good kid.

A good clutch kick at that. Yes. But I don't know how they look. We were taught like, when somebody comes on the bomb blitz and we're outside, we stay outside. Right. If you're inside and they come with the blonde bliss, you try to cross the guy's face.

Face, yeah. Okay, but in a situation like, Ocho, you can't miss that throw, Ocho. You can't. You can't. Right. Because remember everybody was up in arm. Oh, if the bills had got the ball

and overtime against the Chief, they'd have won the game. They won the game. Well, they had the opportunity to do that just now. Tadda. Yeah, they had the opportunity. They had an opportunity. And I don't like to make excuses,

but some, a young, man, planning that rain, it handicaps you a little bit. It handicaps, you know, you're catching the ball. The handicaps you throwing the ball and just being efficient as you would if it was dry. I'm not making no excuses. I'm just saying, I'm just taking into account the fact that it was. I mean, DeVar Smith didn't have a hard time catching it.

Zakeas caught one at the back of the end zone. He'd have a hard time catching. That was nice catch too in the back of the job. Yeah, that was nice. But the thing is, Ocho, the bill seems to be in control of this game. And then Josh get fooled by a trap corner. Bradbury rolled up on it. Come on, bro.

You got to see that. You think he could see that, though? Yeah, that's a crowd. It was so quick. It was so quick. Oh, sure. I thought, listen, even I had to wait to see the replay. I thought he was gambling and then I noticed instead of, he was supposed to be, you know, dropping to the dropping back in the zone.

Yeah. He said, man, F that. Man, he jumped that so quick. Because you know why? What do the formation tell you in a situation like that, what they're going to try to do? Try to get a cheap, fine. Yeah. Because guess what?

that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, a, a, a wide receiver on a linebacker. So what they're going to do? Push up, run your little stick round. Yep, yep. And they knew it. It's like, it's damn it like they baited them in the minute at and played trap at the right time. They did. And, in a situation like that, you're getting desperate.

You got to make it because the last thing you can do is fall and felt it could go down by another score. That's the last, especially a touchdown, Ocho. Yeah. A field goal doesn't doom you, but man, to go down. down a touchdown, another score there, a touchdown there. That would have been too much pressure. Yeah, that might have lasting effect.

But I said this, hold on two weeks ago. I said, Jalen Hertz, I've never seen, I don't know if I've seen somebody quite like him. He can have the most mundane, the most mediocre game. And they're just flailing around on both sides of the ball. Right. But come fourth quarter, if that game is close, he'll find a way to pull it out. Every time. Every time.

He's done it. He's done it consistently. every time. We just saw it Monday night against the Chiefs. Just flailing around ain't nothing going

their way. Then all of a sudden the fourth quarter the game's closed and then he makes a play. He believes. I mean, he is just like

so calm. He's the perfect person to play in Philly because he understands how fickle the Philly fans are. They're going to love you. They're going to boo you.

He just rise the wave. He don't get too high. He don't get too low. I mean, you know, hey, all the celebration. It's like, look, I'm supposed to do this. I keep the main thing, the main thing.

I don't get high when it's good. I don't get low when it's bad. I just stay even kill and good things happen. That was a phenomenal game. That was a good. Look. And then, you know, I think they, I think they still, don't they play the Eagles? No, Buffalo.

I think, who got to, no. No, the Eagles got San Francisco next week, right? They do. Because the 49ers still got Buffalo, the Eagles, and the Cowboys. Wait, that's prime time. No, no, no, no. Eagles have You okay

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Well, not for the Eagles. Listen to the Eagles, what? Eagles 10 and one now, right? Yeah. Well, they're sitting pretty. They sit pretty. Look, if they win these two games against, I mean, they're the number one scene.

You can't catch them. Yeah. Because they would have beaten the Cowboys twice. So they have a two, so that's like a three-0 lead right there in the division. Right. And if they beat the 49ers, the 49ers will have four losses. And it's a conference opponent. Right.

So it'll be a, basically, it's a death blow for the number one seed. Anybody trying to catch the number one seed, that means the eagle will lock that up. I mean, and then I'm looking at the bill schedule, the next three games. I think if they don't improve a show some sign of something, if they lose to the dolphins, that's going to be tough. Because I don't think the Dolph is going to lose to them again. That's probably going to end the division. Well, I think they're going to lose it. I'm thinking they're going to lose to the division.

They're not going to beat them again. Because the Dolphers are 8 and 3, right? If I'm not mistaken, the Dolphers are 8 and 3. Then you say they got, who else they got, you say they got the, who else you say they got? Who you? It's about the bills. It's about the bills. The bills got the Chiefs, the Cowboys, and the Dolphins.

It could get ugly. They might lose two of the next three. And I think, hey, it's going to roll if that happened. Yeah. Some got to give over there. Well, Sean McDermott wanted to call the plays. Leslie Frazier left. They had a very good, I had an outstanding defense.

Leslie Frazier was doing a great job. And, you know, Sean McDermott wanted to take over the play calling. Right. Okay. There it is. Different ball game, huh? There it is. Take it over.

You got it. Defensively, it didn't hurt when Milano went down either. Milano, Trudevius White. White. Bond hasn't gotten back into shape. Bond's a little older now. He's coming off an ACL injury. It's rough.

It's tough to be able to get back to what you once were as you start to age. Those injuries start to take it out of you once you get to a certain point, Ocho. Yeah. C.J. Stroud. I don't let me see. Excuse me. Did you see this C.J. Stroud rubbed Texas fans the wrong way

when he was on Auxiliary Money podcast and asked to choose between L.A. women and Houston women. And he said, L.A. girls over Houston girls, and it's not even close. Saying Houston girls are fake bougie. He also complained about the food sing, saying the food has been gassed up here. How do you think he should have handled that? You got to be careful what you say. You're the franchise quarterback, baby.

You're going to be in Houston the next what? 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 years. You got to be careful what you say. You got to hype your people up. Yeah, you got to be careful. But obviously, he's from L.A. He's from L.A. He's just getting Houston.

He's just getting his feet wet and understanding the culture in Houston. Obviously, the food is something that people visit and love, turkey leg hut to be exact. The women in Houston, I don't frequent Houston, you know, very much. But I've heard good things about the women in Houston. I've heard good things about it, too, Ler, Joe. I've heard great things. things about him. I really haven't free. I haven't dated anyone from Houston.

But you got to be careful. You got to be careful. When you get asked questions like that, you got to plead the fifth. And if you got to lie, just lie and say something positive. Do you know what, Ocho? Hey, I like both places. There are beautiful women in L.A. There are beautiful women in Houston.

Yeah. It just, hey, what's your flavor? What you like? Because both places got them. The cuisine, look, L.A., look, L.A. got restaurants, but Houston, if you like soul food, it's hard for me to believe that there ain't no good soul food places in Houston.

There's no good barbecue joints in Houston. It's hard for me. Now, maybe that's not his flavor. Maybe that's not his cuisine. Maybe he's more of a sushi. I'm sure they have sushi places, but Cali, I mean, look, you're on the water. So you know you're going to get the precious sushi or whatever you want, vegan restaurants or whatever that.

That, you know, hey, whatever it is. But I just think the thing if he's young, he has to understand him. He got to be a politician. When you're the quarterback, you have to be more politician. as opposed to be sometimes, hey, you can't always be honest. You can't always give your true feelings on certain things,

given the position that he's in. Right. Yeah, he'll understand it. He'll understand it. It's all about being, it's all about being, it's all about being media savvy. He'll learn as he go. Yeah, yeah, that's where you like to do that.

But the way he planned, the way he plan right now, he can get away with it. Yeah. He can get away with it. Yeah. So I just think the thing, if that's something that, you know, his handles are good around him, in Hanlam says, hey, if something like this comes up against, hey, there are beautiful

women all over the world. Hey, I live in. Hey, I was born and raised in L.A., obviously. Hey, I'm playing in Houston now. I have a girlfriend or I have someone in my life. So I don't look, but I'm sure there's beautiful women all over the place. And so, you know, you play it like that and you move on. Good to go.

But you start getting on these shows like this. Sometimes they walk into a trap when you didn't really know, that you didn't really know that you were walking into. It'd be harmless, too. No ill intent. C.J. Scrow became the first rookie in league history to court 300 passing yard games

and four straight games. So he's thrown for at least 300 yards in four straight games. Led to Texas on 11, play 45-yard drive. Late in the fourth quarter to set up a game time field goal. And Matt Amindola missed it. He missed it. But Amindola kick. I mean, that's hard to say he missed it.

I mean, he 58 yards. I mean, it wasn't like it was 28 yards. It was 58 yards and he hit the crossbar, the middle of the crossbar. Cross bar, yeah, and bounce the wrong way. And 58 crossbar and fell short, clinching the Jags, seventh win and eight games. So that would have really put some pressure if they could have got the game in the overtime and actually won the game, Ocho. That would have really put some pressure on the Jags because they would have taken two games off the Jags. Yeah, yeah.

So, but I like what I like what I saw from the 10. Texans. I like Tankdale. I love Nico Collins. Noah Brown, although he didn't have a big game today. They have the skill positions around him to be successful. Yeah. Give, but give the Jags credit. They came in there with a sense of urgency that they knew they could ill afford to lose this game. Yeah. And let them have a sweep over them in the division. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it as well. Obviously, Tank Dale, man, is, man, dude, unbelievable. Obviously, I remember watching him in the senior bowl and seeing the difference in him and everybody else and his ability to create separation and run routes.

And I had wondered to myself, you know what? It looked good against him, but I wonder how it would transition into the NFL and on Sundays. And by God Almighty, it has transitioned extremely well. And he's become, obviously, he'd become his security blanket. Most of the time as a rookie quarterback, your security blanket is most of the time it's your tight in. Most of the time it's his time. And the fact that him and Tang Dale have the chemistry and they're excelling this early already, it's going to be nice. It's going to be very, very nice.

He has a nice little repertoire receivers around him. And the fact of the matter, he's getting it done without true superstar number one guys. No superstars, dudes that are just hard. I call him hard hat. hard hat go out there and get the job done type receivers. I think in situations like this, when you deal with a young quarterback, I think these kind of guys work best with him because he don't have to force the ball to him. You know, you got a true number one.

When you got one of them old school number ones, he's going to get in that rookie's ear. Yeah. Man, give me that. Hey, bro, give me that rock. And you know he's going to defer. I see what you mean. You're right. But now he got a Nico Collins.

Now he has a tank deal. He has guys that like, okay, I give it to you, I get it to you. Hey, he's open. I gave it to him. Not a situation where, hey, bro, what's up? Hey, you know, I'm chopped dog here. So I think sometimes, Ocho, in situations like what is with C.J. Strau, I think having these young guys, I think that works best for him.

Yeah. The Steelers go to Cincinnati, beat your bingo 1610. It looks like Matt Canada might have been the issue. The 16 points are nothing to write home about. But this was the Steelers first game in which they've had 400 plus offensive yards. in 58 games. In 44 of those games, Matt Canada was the O.C.

Kenny Pickett, 2433, 278 yards. His completion percentage, 72.7% was well above his previous high of 68%. But I know you saw this. Deontay Johnson. Yeah.

Bro, you drop a touchdown and then you walk off the ball and the ball is fumble and you don't do nothing. Listen, well, you know, You play tight in, and I can attest to what Deonté did on the third and short. What most of the time, which many of us as receivers do, is we walk off the ball like that. And normally we engage with the DB in front of us to make sure to see if we got the first or not.

He didn't engage with anybody and he didn't look down to see. He didn't do nothing. Yeah, I mean, yeah. So I can't even take up for him. Just the walking off the ball part, we all. all do that. We all do that part, especially on third and short. Oh, Joe, but not front side. Huh? Okay, you back side. Yeah, he was front side. That's how the ball popped out. He was front side. Remember, he didn't chase. Well, hold on, man. Wait a minute. I know it's front side,

but I'm just saying it was third and short. Yes, but I'm saying. Yeah, third and short, normally it's a dive or something in the A gap and you normally engage with your dude and just see or see if you get the first or not. No, hell not. He wasn't even paying attention, though. he wouldn't even paying attention. I don't know. I guess y'all wasn't a running team. Man, look here. Mike Shandahannan, man, if Ed and Rob would have walked out the ball?

Yeah. First of all, Alex, Alex, Alex Gibbs with our old line coach. Man, Alex would have ran out. Because, you know, back then they didn't have those cordless, Mike. You know, you had the cords back. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, Alex would have ran out there and wrap that court around,

Ed and Rodney. Man, hell no. Walking up the ball? Yeah, you got to be locked in. You got to be locked in right there. Especially if you're going to walk off, at least be engaged with the DB and knowing to see if you're running back got the first down. If that ball pop out, you want to be right there to be able to jump on that thing. It's a horrible, Ocho, and it's a bad look because you complaining about the ball, you drop the touchdown on the drive before.

Right, right. And then you walk off the, okay, walking off the ball is bad enough. But the ball pop out, you don't even chase, Ocho. Yeah, he ain't see it, though. You got to look at it. If you look at his body language, look at his eyes, he didn't even. to look down he even looked down to see if it he had turned he had turned walking back to the damn huddle already because he thought he thought the running back was down yeah that's unfortunate that's

unfortunate he was he was a little disengaged right there he was a little disengaged you you can ocho because if you think about it offensively you're struggling yeah you're struggling and you want to you want to show like okay the new coordinator hey we need to get the ball deonté yeah he busting his bud. You see he busted his butt. I mean, how don't, how don't, I mean, I already know Mike Collins had a conversation with him. You already know Mike, you know, Mike, Mike don't play that now. You know, Mike, Mike said something.

Mike going to say, because this is the story, not them winning. This is the story now, and that's going to be, that's going to be all the headlines, you know, that's going to steal a joy from the win. And offensively, listen, was Matt Canada the problem, you think? Excuse me.

Or did they just happen to have a good game against a bang off team? that doesn't have Joe Burrow. Well, Joe Burrow wasn't playing defense. He doesn't play defense. But we'll find out it's one game. Maybe this was an anomaly. Let's be moving forward.

Can they generate other 400-yard games? Can they generate other wins? Now, they've won with Matt Canada, but I mean, they were outgained in all of the games in which they want. And you know you're not going to go very far. If you work to make the playoffs, giving up teams out. gaining you by 100 yards,

gained out gaining you by 200 yards. But give them credit. They went on the road against a division opponent and they found a way to win a ball game. And but you'll have to give them credit for that.

The Chief's offense seems to have gotten back on track, steamrolling the Raiders. Kansas City got up to a wobbly start generating 13 yards on the first two drives, starting at a 14-0-0-0-0. Then my homeboy stepped on the gas.

The next three drives by Kansas City, 71 yards, touchdown. 79 yards, touchdown. 75 yards, touchdown. Mahomes finished today, 27 to 34, 298, two touchdowns, zero turnovers.

No turnovers. And I think that's why they were overcome that deficit. That's why they overcome that deficit, that 14, you know, we're going to give you all 14 points. You're going to be 14, and Mahom's going to show you how good he really is. And we, I mean, media outlets,

you know, the pundits they weren't talking about. Well, he doesn't have a true number one. if Travis Kelsey's not playing well, he had nobody to throw to, or shoot. Isaiah Pachinko stepped. Rashid, is it Rice? Rashid Rice. Yeah, Rashid Rice stepped up. But Checo, man, listen, somebody must piss him off or something.

I ain't never seen nobody run the ball that angry since Marion Barber. Remember Marion Barber? I do. It's like they have the exact same running style like somebody pissed him off. Why are you running angry? every step is like it's intent and will to hurt but ain't nobody in front of you man the chiefs not even the chief Mahomes mahoams man my homes is special man my homes is special man you see that passing through the Kelsey yeah on that silver on that

cell around no the placement the placement unbelievable the arm angles man the the the movement in the pocket, the poise, everything about them is immaculate. And down 14, most of the time, you start pressing. You start pressing. You make mistakes. No mistakes were made. No mistakes were made.

And they came back, they win the game. But again, they were playing the Raiders. Yeah, yeah. They were playing the Raiders. Can you play a good team like the Cowboys or the Eagles? No, no, no, no. And be down by 14 and still think you're just going to overcome it. different ball game.

No. And I think the thing is that also is that you saw he got Kelsey involved. Kelsey opens it up. So now you can scheme the other guys. You can run Rashid Rice on the shallow cross and he hit his head on the goalpost. You can do other things, but you got to get eight seven involved. You got to get him involved because he makes it easier. So now everybody's eyes goes towards him.

And now these other guys all of a sudden are splintering and you get them on shallow crosses. you get them on smoke screen and things of that nature. But Kansas City seemed to be on the right track. Like you said, I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in this because that was the Raiders. But like you tell me, that's the NFL team. You're right. You're right. You're right.

You're right. You're right by that. You're right by that. But again, we talk about two times Super Bowl champ Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs with Andy Reed calling them goddamn plays. They're going to be all right. Oh, big red. Big Red. The thing is, but you can't turn the ball over.

because if you get off to slow starts like that, Ocho, you can't turn the ball over. Because now all of a sudden, you're already down 14, and now you let people get steal your possessions. Right. So I think that was one of the things that I saw that they did a great job of protecting the football. Matt Jones had another rough day, Ocho,

throwing two more interception in a 10-7 loss, the Jets, before being benched for Bailey Zappy at the half. Now, Zappy, it wasn't like Bailey Zappi to play great either. He didn't. But you know what, Ocho? it's time for it's time for the Patriots and Mac Jones to part ways. I mean, how many, go ahead. What they doing, huh?

Like, come on, what we're doing? Come on, Bill, Bill O'Brien. What are we doing? Listen, this is a great analogy. This is all that makes sense to me. If you don't like something, just bench him and be done with it. They have benched Mac Jones four times this year. Yes.

Do you understand what that has done to his psyche? Do you understand what that done to his confidence? He has none at this point. That's like fellas or ladies in the chat, that's like going back to your ex. Four different times and expecting the results to be different as opposed to how they were before.

Yeah, you break on me four times. It's over. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. You know you don't like him. You have a problem. You have issues with the turnovers. Every time, you benched him every single time.

Like, what are we doing? Yeah. And not only you just stick with Mrs. Zappi. Oh, Joe. Not only do you break up women. I see you dating other. guys in the meantime because they brought Bailey Zapie all four times.

So you break up with me, I see you, that don't work out with you and him, now you come back to me. And guess what? I'm foolish enough to take you back. Take you every time. Every time. Listen, that has to, just thinking about it to me, I'm not even playing

the game. And then I understand what comes with the quarterback position. You're already frustrated. You're not winning. Then they benching you. Then Monday comes, you got practice on Wednesday. They didn't say, okay, now you're the starter again. Yeah. I mean, come on, man.

They got, they got, they got, they got to, they got to, they got to find a quarterback. I don't, I don't know who it's going to be, but they need to find somebody to pick up what Tom left off. And even though those are, those are big shoes to feel, I know, I know what you're going to say. They're big shoes to feel, but they got to find it. They got to find it because things aren't going to be right until they find a quarterback. Yeah, but you, but, Ocho, it's a rarity that you lose Joe Montana and there's Steve Young. you lose a Brad Farr, and there's Aaron Rogers. Normally when you lose a historically great quarterback each year,

look how long the Steelers went when they lost Terry Bradshaw. Right. Oh, it was almost 20 years before they fall, they get Big Ben. And, you know, and Buffalo, think about Buffalo had gone 20-plus years before they get Josh Allen. Yeah. Yeah, from Jim Kelly to Josh Allen.

Yeah, right. You don't normally, normally, so as great as Tom, unless you have somebody and it's not like it is, you can't have a Steve Young on your roster now. Right. You can't because, first of all, he's going to want to play. Yeah. And he's not going to be content with not playing.

Right. And plus, when Steve was there, there was no free agency. So where was he going to go? Oh, he had no choice but to be there. He had no choice but to be there. Okay. Okay. Now there's free agency.

Plus, I need to look at the guy because I need to. to know before I invest $300 million because you know we're right around the corner for $300 million contract because we're $250 right now, $260. Right.

The next contract within a year or two is going to be $300 million. Wait, that's the funny thing about it. Since you talk about the next contract obviously would be a quarterback. Yeah.

Everybody's been paid already. So who would be up next? Two is up. Okay, but that's a good one. A tour is playing extremely well. But what tour overlap? Joe and Lamar and Patrick Mahomes. Hey, I'm after.

I'm after. That's what y'all do. Y'all told the reason why this guy got more than that guy because he signed a year after. So I need, hey, I need my money. I'm about to have a 2,000 yard receiver. I'm about to throw for 4,800, almost 5,000 yards. I'm going to be way high on the touchdown list.

Yeah, I don't get that. I'm going to ask you one more question. So when DAC is up, so does that also get that 300 miles? Yeah, hey. It continues to overlap. because that's what, see, that's what they do. Everybody keeps trying to up it because I want to keep climbing. I got to keep pushing these salaries high.

But normally it's supposed to be just the top, the top, top, top guys being able to recent the market like that. Yeah, it used to be like that, Ocho. It used to be. Right. But now, hey, I just happen to be, see. Timing, timing. Yeah.

It's not whether or not you're good. It's whether or not you free. Hmm. It's whether you free. Right, right. So I got to make a decision, Ocho. So that's why guys, they ain't got no patience. I can't have patience.

You mean to tell me I'm supposed to let a guy and just go, okay, I'm going to have patient and I'm going to give him $300 million after this third year. But I'm not sure, certain, but I'm just going to have patience. No, you can't do that, Ocho. Right, right, right. You can't. The money is too great now. So teams are not going to have the patience like they did because I got to know.

By the third year, I got to know. I got to know whether or not the kid can play, Ojo. Yeah. Because I'm going to have the best 300 million in it. Yeah. That's why they always say your third year is your break and make year. Regardless of what position you play. Especially if you want to, like by your third year, if you're a first round pick,

you should have been a made at Pro Bowl by now. By your third year, you should be a Pro Bowl. You should be a borderline all pro player. Mm-hmm. Because guess what? Now in today's market, with the contracts by that third year, everybody wants that new deal, Ocho. Yeah.

Yeah. And if you're playing really well, they will tear it up in a heartbeat. I ain't got no problem getting you that thing. No problems at all. But it's going to be hard for me to give you paper where you ain't got no all-pros, you ain't got no pro-bos on your resume. It's just hard. How?

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Yeah. My baby in there? Yeah, I'm sure real in there. The Broncos are won five in a row, knocking off the Brown. First time in NFL history, we've had a game, which ended 2912.

I think Sean Payton has realized at this point, Russ, career, less is more. So, you know, Russ loved to cook, but Sean Payton just let them handle the appetizing right now, Ocho. He said, we will. Because in the four of the last five games, they've topped 125,

120 yards rushing in four of the five games of the wind street. Russ hasn't posted a single game of 300 yards passing game during that span. He's only averaging about a hundred and seventy yards passing per game. Yeah, I saw that. But, but,

but he hasn't thrown an interception. I think he had a fumble today, right? Didn't he fumbled today? I think he fumbled once today. Yeah. Listen, the Bronco, them boys, them boys are won five straight.

Like Russell Wilson says, Bronco Nation, let's ride. Are you ready, are you ready to get Russell's flowers? You ready to get Russell's flowers now? Yeah, he's playing well. Yeah, he's playing well.

He's playing with. He's not, he's not throwing up historic numbers. You know, we were all fussing about, obviously, the chemistry between him and Sean Payton. It wasn't what it should be. And, man, forget all that. You know, Jerry, Judy and Corlin Sutton, man, they're on a five-game win streak. Yeah, I would like to see him get Judy involved more, though, man.

I don't know what it is. What's going on, Ocho? You're a wire receiver. What's going on with Judy? Why is the connection? Right, right now, obviously, if you look at the numbers, if you look at the numbers, Listen, Russell only threw the ball 22 times today. No, 13 for 22 for 125 yards.

So unless you have plays specifically scripted for him, I think Sean Payton has Russell William, Russell Wilson playing mistake-free football. He's not really wanting to let it go or let it all hang out for that matter. Keep us in contention, keep us close in the game so we can win these games, which is why I think they have won the last five. I think when he get a little bit more comfortable and gets back to his old self,

I think that's when we'll start throwing all over the place all willy-nilly, like I call it, and we'll see the 300, 400, 400, but 400, 400 is a little bit much, but 400 y'all games from Wilson again. No, I don't know. I don't know if that's necessarily because when you got Giovante Williams,

you got some RJP Ryan, and they're running the ball. They're power backs. So, hey, let's see if we can keep it The third and short. Yeah, sometimes I think I wish they could push the ball down the field because everybody's crowned the line. I mean, a lot of times, Javante is getting the ball. He gets hit in the back field.

I'm like, well, damn. But this seems to be the recipe in order to make the dish that's palatable for the Broncos to win football game. So I'm all for that. As long as they win the game, all the other stuff I can do without. Alex Smith calls out Tom Brady for NFL criticism saying Brady played in the biggest cupcake. biggest Cupcake Division. He said the biggest complaint with Brady comments was Brady played in the most uncompetitive division.

You come out of training camp, the biggest cupcake division, you got to take it to the playoffs right away. Like, talk about mediocre. I completely disagree with this. But here's the thing, Ocho. Two things can be true. Tom Brady played in the most uncompetitive division, the AFC East.

Yeah, they were bad. They were bad. But when he got to the playoffs, Tom Brady played in three years with a playoff game. His record is well, notwithstanding. So let's see how many games did he win in Tampa?

He lost the first year. So he won about four games. So he won about 30 playoff games in New England. Now, he's beating the best in the AFC South, the AFC North, and the AFC West. Yeah. And guess what? When he goes to the Super Bowl, he's beating the best they got to offer.

So Alex Smith, you're absolutely right. Right. That was the most uncompetitive division. But they damn sure they hindered him when they came playoff time because they were kicking ass and taking names for 20 years. Yeah. Most definitely, most definitely. I think what Tom was talking about more so to me, obviously,

you was talking about the product, the product on the field. Yeah. And one of the issues, again, with what Tom was saying, is the NFL, the competition committee. They have handicapped the game so much where you can't even play the type of football that Thomas used to sing. You can't even play that type of football anymore.

I just saw what running back was that? No, the receiver. Amos St. Brown? He's fined $43,000. I watched to play five times. I watched it five times trying to figure out what in the world did he do wrong? Right.

Like I think there's some type of conspiracy and somebody's parking in some money because the fines that they handed out right now are ridiculous. 43,000 for that, Ocho. But come on that. 43,000. And you know what I'm not hearing?

Are they winning these appeals? Is Merton Haynes still on? Is Merton Haynes still on? No, I think it's if I had to, I think it's James Thrash in a, uh, uh, uh, Brooks. Brooks. For real?

D Brooks. Yeah. I think they handled the appeal. Come on, man. Ain't no way. Something ain't right. Something ain't right. Something is going on.

Something behind the house is going on. Now the big stuff. Now the big stuff goes to John Runyon. Wait, John Runyon? Yeah, yeah. Used to be the Eagles. The Eagles right tackle. Yeah.

Oh, Lord. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the big stuff, I think the big stuff like Karene Jackson. Yeah. I think stuff like that. I think it goes to him.

I know you saw this. People are upset that Blue Ivy received criticism about her dance moves early this year. But Blue Ivy used it as motivation. Blue Ivy made her first appearance on stage with a mother in May with Beyonce performed in Paris. The 11-year-old became concert staple regularly showing up to dance with a mother's performance, My Power. One revelation, excuse me, from the premier Renaissance, a film by, Biont was how Blue Ivy read some social media comments marking her dance move.

Beyonce said she was dismayed when an 11-year-old read the post criticizing her lacklust to moves. But instead of quitting, she decided to put the work in, train even harder for future stops. People are upset about trolls making fun of 11-year-old, but the part of the blessing and occurrence of being a child of fame. People pay thousands, thousands, Ocho, to see that. So if you let you let you.

your child, if you open your child up to that, you got to understand. You open your child open to criticism. Yeah. And you know, you know, it's funny is, uh, as, as a parent myself of 85 kids, I like it. I like it. I like my kids to be open to criticism at an early age. I want you to understand when you get in that real world and your daddy's not there or your mama's not there, this is how life is going to be.

Everybody ain't going to like you. For sure. Everybody ain't going to like you. No matter how nice you try to be, whatever it might be. In the case for Blue Ivy, the fact that she said, oh, I'm not worried about what y'all talking about. I'm going to go do what I've seen my mama do. I love it. I'm going to go work on this.

Work. And work and work until I get it right. And what did she do? She got it right. She got better. She was a staple. Every time Beyonce went out there and performed, Blue Ivy was out there hitting that routine. And I know the routine by hard.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you think I know. I know the routine. I ain't going to do the rest of it. Yeah. I just hit my knuckle on the mic, man. That hurt.

That would you get? Yeah, but I don't know. I don't understand because you have to understand, Ocho. It's just like anything. When people play large sums of money, people like, okay, that's your child. You better be able to do all the moves. You put up in there. That's just the way it is.

I mean, I'm being for real. Yeah. I know how much, look, I hadn't been. I went to the old, the old concert. And I think I, and I end up paying like, like $8,000 for two seats. God damn. Yes. And I'm sure there were more this time around.

Right. And so when people paid that enormous sum of money, you and you put, see, if you put your kids in that situation, you subject them to the same criticism that you were received. Right. Right. Because they're looking at it like, okay, she in there. Oh, she must be could do it. She must be.

No, this ain't no YMCA. Now, these ain't, oh, show, these ain't no, no five and six year old that, you know, they be off being, they're like, oh, that's my little angel, isn't that cute? Oh, hell now. But you mean you're not gonna get that type of treatment from the real world anyway.

No. If you ain't on point, oh, you know, they ain't gonna spay you no grace now. Right. No, not us, our people? Oh, no, they ain't gonna spay you no grace. But again, the fact that she's able to do what she did at such a young age, obviously, you know who her parents are. Her parents are too perfectionist.

In order to get to perfection, you know what it took to get there. So the fact that she has that already at 11 years old, oh, man, you ain't looking at, you're looking at greatness now. Oh, Joe. Well, that's a carter. Because you got Jay-Z as your dad. You have Beyonce as your mom. The level of expectation has greatly increased just because of who your parents are.

Oh, yeah. Where your mother can dance, where you ought to be able to do like she do. Yeah. That's, Ocho, it's just like when parents of a professional, you know, his dad played this and if mom did that, they automatically expect the child to be great at it.

Right, right. But you got to work. That's just what it is. You got to work. You got to work. Because there's no substitute for it. You think Jay, JZ, obviously, he worked at it. Beyonce didn't come out the womb,

knowing how to do what she does. She worked on her craft, continuously, continuously, and now what you see now is greatness, one of the greatest of all time. Yes, for sure. So I understand both sides. I understand if she's just a child. But when you, I mean, people are not looking.

Most people are not going to have in a situation like that. Not going to have their child up there dancing. Yeah. If the child's not on point because you are subjected child to criticism, that would be bestowed an adult because you put them in an adult role. Right, right. That's my take. I like it.

I'm sure people are going to disagree. Check this out, Ocho. King Harris, T.I. son, fights with his parents on IG Live. A live, excuse me, a live stream at the Falcons game this afternoon with Sideways after King started arguing with his parents.

At one point, Tia, I could be hearing yelling. You're an embarrassment to your family. You're an embarrassment. Later, King posted, I stand on business. I don't give a F who you are. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, King, King, man, it's up and stuff. stuck. He would, he, whatever, he's standing on business. You know what it is. King like that.

I mean, that's what the streets told me. They told me King don't, King don't even play. He ain't the one. All that, all that, I get that fine and good. But the Bible say, honor that mother and thy father and your days be long. Long. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. Was King raised by his mother and father? Was King raised by his grandmother? Because I'm kind of confused. I'm kind of confused. He said, he said, and I read this, where he said he was raised by his grandmother, and when they shot the show, he would come over there for the show. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, maybe they had some type of special arrangement.

Everybody's living arrangements is different. Oh, Joe. I was raised by my grandmother and grandfather. My grandma raised me too. I ain't going to be disrespectful to my parents. Oh, no, not my mama. Boy, you know Hurricane. You life.

Well, you know Hurricane Paula? him. Be disrespectful. Come on, bro. Right. I mean, they, they, clearly, they love you. You've done things and they bailed you out. They've been there.

Yeah. And I understand that's what a parent's supposed to do. But, bro, this disrespect? Yeah. I mean, listen, I know you're not about it. Obviously, you, you are raising a different time. You know, your grandma ain't played at. Your mom ain't played at.

I know TIP very well. I know Tiny very well. obviously they don't play that either but i think king we don't know what he's going through we don't know what he's going through he you know it might be more than beneath the service that we don't know you know there might be something circulating as a as a child as a teenager wait is he a teenager yet he is a teenager right yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah as a teenager some other things going on because that that that rage and that anger that would display where that camera was rolling that's more than just an argument. That's more than just me being upset. It's more

toward than that. And I can tell. So I don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. But as a child, there's something else going on where Chip got to sit him down and talk to him, man, father the son, because it's deeper than whatever he was angry about. There have been times that I knew that my grandmother was wrong. For real? I just eat it. But grandma ain't never wrong, man.

I just eat it. I just eat it. Right. You just eat it. Yeah. It's okay. Right. Because I know in the long run what she's trying to do.

Yes, sir. And I never felt that my grandmother punished me unnecessarily. Mm. And I always kept that in the back of my mind. Right. It was always a long game that she was trying to play. Shannon, when you go out in the real world, I want you to be a, like I said, and I tell people with us all the time, the proud of she was,

was what we became outside of football, the men, the people that we were, the way we conducted ourselves. Right. And at the end of the day, I am a representative. I am a representation of Barney and Mary Porter. I'm also a representation of my mom,

Mary Alice Dixon. So I always remember that. That always stuck with me. And my dad also, you know, I named my son after my dad. Mm-hmm. Because I only saw my dad, once in my life to know who he was.

And so I remember we were having to come. We was at my grandmother's house. This was like early, like 1981, early. And he was going to come home. Now, mind you, my dad had cancer. And so he had it remission, but it came back, Ocho. But this time he had oral cancer. So he had to have both of his jawbones removed.

So he was going to come home. my grandma, her name was many, but they called a girl, they called a Charlie. He called a Charlie. We called a grandma Charlie. And she was telling him, say, Pete, that's what they called him Pete.

His name is Winton. They called him Pete. She said, Pete, come on home. Them kids want to see you. He didn't want to come home because he didn't want us to see him like that. Remember, he had had both of his jaw bones removed. And the last time we saw him,

I was probably in kindergarten, first grade. Right, right. So here, I'm about to be 13. So it's been a long time. And he says, I don't want the kids to see me like this. So she said, she said, Pete, them kids going to love you. They just want to see their dad.

He said, you know what, Charlie? I'm going to come home. I'm going to see him. And he died before it happened. So I always remember that. And from that point on, there was no more disagreeing with my mom, no more arguing with me. because life was too short.

So for what? Because I really sincerely always believed that my grandmother, my grandfather, my mother, they always had my best interest in mind, even though I couldn't see it at the time. And when you young, you don't, because you want what you want, you want to do what you want to do it, and you want to do it, and you want to do it,

and you want to do it. Yeah, that's why. And that's what the young generation, that's what, there's a lot. Sometime I see how these kids, and even when I'm in Target or Whole Foods or someplace and I see the way kids talk to, I'm like, really? Well, it's different now, now.

Well, you can't discipline. Listen, one thing about it, you know the rules that's set in place right now. They're called child services on you so quick. You'll lose your kids. You can't discipline like they used to discipline us back then? No, no, no. Back in the 80s? No.

Man, shh. Well, you won't have a child no more. You can't even, I saw something on Twitter today about kids that are misbehaving they said that you need to teach your kids to listen because they're not born knowing how to because listening is a skill. I never heard it quite put like that before and it made so much sense

because they would tell us to do something and we'd do the complete opposite. And what do they do to us to make sure or to make sure we don't do it again? Man, go get that switch. Go get the switch off that tree real quick. Yeah, yeah. Or pick up the first thing they can find

and hit you with it and that is the way to get us to listen when they tell us to do something. I think the biggest thing is, Ocho, is that people listen to respond instead of listen to understand. That's a good one. My grandfather...

Wait, whoa, boy, let me write that down. Let me write that down. Got to write that down. I need that one. I got to use that with my girl when we're fighting. Ocho, I remember I was little. And it used to break my heart when my grandfather would yell at me

and I would start crying. And my grandmother would always say, Barney, he's just a little fella. Don't yell at him. He would say, Mary, I can only tell him something once because living on a farm and being around machinery and being around

these animals, I can't tell him a second time because it might kill him or he might get seriously injured. So I have to make sure he understands the first time. So that's kind of how I am with my kids. I would talk to him in such a way. And I understand

And they understand now, but they didn't understand then, kind of like I didn't understand. But now as you got older, my kids know everything that I was saying to them was about the long game. And so that's how, and King doesn't understand because we don't think our parents know anything. Like, you don't know what I'm going through. It is different. Social media is a different animal than anything that you, I, our parents, our grandparents, never serious anything like social media. But that doesn't give you an excuse.

Yeah. To be disrespectful. Yeah. To your parents. Yeah. But the thing is, Ocho, when we grew up, the community raised us. Oh, yeah. You're doing something bad?

Miss Margie, somebody's, hey, boy, ain't you, ain't you married boy? Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Don't make me telling you die of misbehaving. Yes, ma'am. Not even that. Let that net.

The people, I call it the village. The village knows if you do something wrong, the village is allowed to spank you. For sure. And then when you get home and they tell your parents what you did, then your parents spank you too. So you're getting double whammy. Double, double. Boy, I remember one time in church, you know, I'd never forget. One time in church, I'm in Sunday school.

And I had a dollar. And I wanted to get something from the soda machine. I wanted to get something from the soda machine. and I asked a lady at the time in church I said can't remember her name Sister, whatever it might have been You know

Do you have chains for a dollar? I had a dollar bill Do you have change for a dollar? She said no I don't have change for a dollar But If I can find 50 cents I give you half of

Whatever it might have been Something like that And I ended up I ended up taking a dollar And cutting it in half With scissors With scissors

Trying to be funny Talk about something He'd go half right here or something. I can't remember the story. I just remember getting my ass whoop. Once in church for cutting that money in half. And then once, once my grandma came to church for service at 11 o'clock, I got my ass whooped again. Then I had to get home and then my granddaddy, my granddaddy didn't woo me out three times because I'm playing around like I don't know what man. Oh, man, I got so many good stories, man. Yeah. But that's the thing though.

So like I said, I think the, they, but I would learn. I mean, I was, me and my brother, my, my grandfather would always say, I remember one night, this had to be 75, 76. Like I said, my brother, my grandfather slept in the bed. And me and my grandmother slept in the bed. And I remember him one night, he said this so vividly. He said, Mary, I'll probably be dead and grown, but them two boys are going to make something. He said, they're so smart.

they listen. He said they listen to everything. He said they, he said, they say, they listen to everything. And he was talking about, that little one. That was you?

That was me. He said, that little would know enough to be dangerous. Because I can repeat, he could say something, I can repeat it. Just like that. Because, you know,

back then, Ocho, you know, nobody had no cell phone. So my grandfather, he said, hey, somebody, he was like, okay, Barney,

you know, my number is, he said, tell it to the boys. So they would tell me and my brother the number. So when we got home, now we might be gone for another hour or two. When we get home, he would say, hey, hey, boys, what's such and such number?

You still remember it? Like, forgetting it wasn't an option. Right, right, right, right, right. There was only one way to do thing. That was his way. And like I said, and that's why I'm so, oh, Cho, he didn't, mistakes were not acceptable. He didn't make excuses. And that's why you're like, man, you don't, oh, Joe.

I was the youngest cousin. It was five boys. Me, Lanny, my brother Spanky, Eugene, the Arna. I'm the youngest by two years. So they throw it at waltzes. So my cousin Eugene hit the waltz nest, rested so he passed away

about 45 years ago. He hit the waltz nest. They come down, light me up. I close, that'll stung me in the back of my head. I got a pump out of the back of my head. Why didn't you run? I did run.

So you know what I did. I ran home and told, Papa. I said, Papa, I was crying. I had unclosed, though, little tear coming out of the eye with your lips wool, got stinging to the back. I said, Papa, they were throwing at the waltzes, and they came out and they stung me. He looked at me. He said, you should have run. I said, Papa, I did run. He said, you should have run fast. No excuses. Right. You could never bring that man an excuse home because he wasn't going to accept it. Right.

And from that point, anybody that's ever been around me, oh, y'all don't make no excuses. Either you did or you did. Did it. It's really that simple. Yeah. No, no gray area. None.

Yeah. Parenting, parenting is completely different, especially in this day and age, obviously with social media, things are different. The kids, our kids, you know, obviously with me being a father of 85, our kids are exposed to a lot more, a lot faster than we were. And you just, you got to maneuver different as a parent. You got to move it different as a parent. So it's unfortunate.

Obviously, again, back to the topic at hand on King and the disrespect of TI and Tiny, I think it's deeper. I think it's much deeper than what we saw. Obviously, the disrespect isn't right. You really can't do that. And obviously, TI repeatedly saying you're embarrassing your family and embarrassing yourself, you know, I understood what TI was coming from. but also as a child, I can empathize, sympathize with King, especially in his day and age with the jokes and people making fun of them online

and some of the things that people have said to him, you know, after doing my homework knowing that we were going to talk about this topic, that he can be a little frustrated with some of that stuff and it can get to you. And I think he was at Wits Inn and that that's what we saw. I think that's why I said. Yeah, I think it was a little deeper. That's why I said that.

If social media make you, it'll break you. Yeah. Yeah. That it can. And you're looking for, you're looking for assurances and reassurances and guidance. Validation. Yeah. And it's not going to work.

I just, hopefully he, for me, you know, I just hope that they can one day sit down and have an open an honest conversation and move in a positive matter. Oh, too, I don't know if you saw this, but I want to, there was two professors. and they ask their college class. They say, we're going to give you two options. You're looking for a job, right? Oh. They said, we got two options. Option eight, you make 100,000,

but all of your coworkers are going to make 200,000. That's option eight. You make 100,000. All your coworkers make 200,000. Option B, you make 50,000. Your coworkers make 25,000. 50% chose option B. And what they deduced,

people don't want better for themselves. They actively want people to do worse than them. Let that sink in, Ocho. They were willing to take $50,000 less as long as somebody was worse off than them. I could care less. I'm going option A. I'm going option A come hell of high water.

I don't care what's going on. Because one thing about it, Unk, I will say it and I will say it this time and time again. People that are watching me, you will never be able to enjoy what's on your plate as long as you looking and trying to take off somebody else's. Yes. Every time. Just focus on your plate. Focus on your plate. Focus on the food you got going on, whatever money you got coming in, find a ways to make more money.

You always got a lock on your own. And one of the things I always say is when people always know how much other people, people making, that means you ain't making enough. You ain't making enough. It ain't got to be nothing big. Even if it's coming in small increments, just focus on your own plate, man. Yeah. He said people, he said, well, we found out that people actually care more about others than

they do themselves. And you know what hurts me when people, I hear people say they don't deserve. Who are you to say God made a mistake in blessing me? Somebody else, yeah. I didn't get what I don't get what I deserve. I got what I earned. Yeah. you got what you earned.

What does deserve have to do anything with my hard work? Yeah. And people are just like, what's for you? Whatever God has intended for you, I don't care how many stumbling blocks, how many road blocks, how many obstructions, someone tried to place, it ain't going to do nothing. God will make sure you arrive at that destination and get all of your blessings. Every time.

every time. I don't concern myself because the way I look at Ocho me and this business when I saw Charles Barkley could be himself could talk with the dialect

that he had was unapologetically not afraid to make fun of himself I said I could do that I said I got just a good sense of humor I can tell stories I said I can do that I'm not man why Charles Barkley get all there

I see Michael Strayhand on Good Morning America. I see Stephen A. doing what the... I said, I can do that. I say, Stephen A went to an HBCU, like me. Marcus Greyhand went to an HBCU like me. I said, I can do that.

Yeah. I just want somebody to give me an opportunity to present. Be prepared when the opportunity presents itself. Yeah. So I don't get jealous to somebody. Man, such a son making $100 million. Okay. He did it.

If he made it, that means somebody else can make it. I can make it too. I see people that are making more than me or I see people that are making. They're doing well. I see that as motivation. That is inspiring. That is inspiring.

I'm from Miami. I'm from Liberty City. You know what's motivating to me? It's very motivated for me. Even though we're in two completely different lanes and then we live two completely different lifestyles to see Rick Ross, man. The new of Rick Ross came from back when we were shorty when he was at Carroll City to see what he's done with life and business, entrepreneurs.

ship, oh, that shit is inspiring, man. That shit is inspiring. I ain't really never even said this before. I'm just saying I look at that and it just make me want to do more, not do more to do the things that he does because I will never ever reach that level, you know? I will never reach that level. No, only positive. Why not?

I mean, he did it. Well, listen, you know, I ain't. So if he did it, I mean, you could do it. I'm just saying, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't maneuver that way. I'm not a private jet weighing or having, you know, two, 300 cars. He don't have to do that. That's what he wants to do. Well, why can't you, why can't

you accumulate that and say, you know what? I'm still going to fly what I fly. Right. I, I, I'm, that's what a motivation and inspiration part come from. You know, I just, oh, that shit is, that shit is beautiful to see, man. Sometimes, sometimes I can wake up in the morning, bro, and I just, I just go to the page and just look at it.

Like, that's just, that's just, that's raw. And it just made me want to get up and just get up and just do something. Like I need, I need more jobs. Well, that's,

the, my greatest motivation was my role model was lived in the house with me. My brother went to the University of South Carolina when he went to the NFL, he's like, I said, he ate the same food I ate. I said, he ate possum and raccoon and turtle.

Yeah. I said, he went to the NFL. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, come on back, come on back to me now. A turtle? Yeah. Alligator turtle, snapping turtle. Yeah.

Oh, Joe. And so when I saw him do that, every car my brother got, I got the same car. Yeah. Same color. The only difference was when he got a Ferrari, he got a red one, I got a black one. Hmm.

He got a white bins. I got a white bins. Yeah. Every car. We had the exact same car. He had an S500. I got an S500. He had an SL, I got an SL.

He got a Ferrari. He got a Ferrari. Yeah. I think that's, that's, That was my motivation. That's tough. That's live. He could do that.

Oh, yeah. And when I see Ross and I see these other Snoop dogs, another one. Oh, my good. I know Snoop. Boy. I can pick up the phone and call Snoop. I see Snoop. He went from gang gang banging and this and that.

He's one of the, he has one of the highest Q ratings of anybody. Listen, the ultimate rebrand. Ultimate. And this is good. This is good also for the people, the people in the chat, the people that are watching. You always use. It doesn't even have to be. celebrities it don't even have to be it can be it can be it can be people at a

service level maybe some lawyer yeah just just little stuff man always using other people as motivation and not hating on them not not hey everybody always hate everybody always pocket watching or why he do this or why yeah yeah yeah that should motivate you to want to do whatever it is and your respective craft it just i i don't know man just i i use little stuff like that just to keep me going just to keep me going look let's look take little bits and pieces of from other people, man. That shit is inspiring.

Oh, Joe, I look at it like this. I don't need a lot of love. Yeah. I just need love from the people that I love. I don't need the world to love me. I remember my grandma, my grandma used to say, boy, you don't need anybody to pat you on the back. You got two good damn hands.

Patch yourself on the back. Resinated. I think I did a good job. That's good enough for me. everybody's not going to be happy with the way I talk, the way I dress, what I say. Hey, I criticize this.

Somebody's going to be upset. I talk about this person. Well, I didn't talk about that person long enough. You said this about Josh Allen, but you didn't say this about Lamar Jackson. You said this about Dak Prescott. You didn't say this about Patrick Mahon. Bro, you can't please everybody,

nor should you attempt to. Yeah. The hardest job in the world is to try to please 8 billion people. But you'll never be happy. See? You'll never ever be happy. Exactly.

Never ever. And so, yeah, when I see guys, I see a Ross and I see a snoop dog or I see people in my profession, Stephen A, and I see how hard he work. And I see straight and I see how hard he worked. And I see Charles Barkland. I see Shaq. Man, I'm like, man, I can do that. I say Charles Barkley from Alabama. I'm from rural South Georgia.

Shaq grew up in San Antonio. He was a military kid, moved a lot of different places. But when he talks about what he say, Sarge, he talks about his father. Sarge, discipline, structure. Yeah. Yeah. You see? Yeah. You know, it's funny.

I like that. You just said that two of the most important things that I didn't have growing up, two of the most important things I didn't have growing up, that grandma always instilled him. And my grandfather always tried to instill in me. But I constantly, my structure and discipline, I didn't have it in life. I had it on the field. I had it in the area where it didn't matter. It took the man.

It took the man. Okay, you're not listening. Okay, okay, obviously he's not seeing the motherfucker of science. Oh, you're still doing that, huh? Okay, you know what? Let me sit your, let me sit your black ass down real quick. Let me sit you down real quick. Let me take some of this stuff from you so you can, you can understand you ain't moving right.

Nah. Back on track. The structure and the discipline is in place. the foundation that I need is in place, you know. And without a foundation, shit, what's you going to grow? What's you going to grow if your foundation ain't solid? No, no, no, you can't. Anything.

There's nothing that can stand if the foundation isn't solid. At all. And even if you build a solid foundation on leaky ground, on shaky ground, it still will succumb. Oh, yeah. At some point. Every time. Yeah. Every time.

And if you ain't got no structuring discipline, you're bound to fall at some point. Yeah. First of all, without discipline, you're probably quit and you're not going to be focused. Yeah. Because that people that was disciplined. I said it requires you to do your best when no one's watching. Or how about this? How about all of New Year's resolutions?

Everybody in the chat, all of them New Year's resolutions you had in January? Is you still doing them now? How many you stuck with? Don't lie either. It's hard for anybody to ascend to a certain level. Forget, I'm not just talking about. I'm not talking about sports. I'm not talking about celebrity fame.

I'm talking about it's hard to ascend to any level of success without discipline. It's hard, Ocho. Yeah. Without structure. Very. This, this, this, this, and this. Even if you're talented, even if you're extremely talented, you've got to have discipline and structure. Got to, got to.

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Well, no matter what happens on Saturday, Alabama, Georgia will be in the college football playoffs. Yeah. No matter what happens. They can lose 100 and nothing. They're going. I believe Michigan is going to beat Iowa. So they'll be there. There are two.

The three seed, will Florida State be Louisville? That's going to be interesting because I believe if Louisville were to beat Florida State, I don't believe Florida State's

going to go with one loss because they lost their quarterback, Jordan Travis. Now it comes down, okay, Oregon and Washington, right? Yeah, I would say Washington.

They'd play each other? Yeah, I would have put Washington at three. Because I think, Ohio stays at five, right? A six. Washington beat Oregon. So who did they play for the PAC 12th title? Okay.

So the question is, Ocho. Top four. Excuse me. If Oregon beats Washington, Washington beat them early, I think you have to take Oregon, but then Washington says, well, we beat them. So we got one loss. I think the unknown, let's say,

Let's just say for the sake of argument, if Alabama beats Georgia, does Alabama jump someone? But we know that's not going to happen. Alabama is squeezing out lucky wins, hellmeries, you know, by the grace of God, the football gods blessing them, they're not beating Georgia. You thought that, you thought that with Bryce Young, when Bryce Young went down there and beat him.

You remember Bryce Young beat them? That was a much, much better Alabama team. Offensively and defensively But they think they're a little different now I think when it's all said done I think it'll be Georgia Michigan Washington

Oregon Nah Washington Washington already beat Oregon Yeah but they play for the Pact 12th title And they're going to beat them again It's easy if Washington beats them again It's a foregone conclusion They're undefeated

They're going to beat them again They're going to beat them again There's too much firepower over there. Man, hey, that Bo Nick's playing, though, man. Yeah, Bo Nix playing, but the d'ub, but the muskies, they, they special. They're special. So I'm going to go, I'm going to go Alabama. I'm going to go Georgia, Michigan.

I'm going to take the ducks. I'm going to take the ducks. I'm going to take the ducks. And. Who are your number four then? Don't say Alabama. Where is Ohio State? Florida State.

But here's the thing. I think Louisville going to beat Florida State. What? Hold on. Let me plug my computer up. I'm in the red. Because they play for the championship, right? ACC.

Hmm. Well, here's the thing to Ojo. Will the committee take a one-lost team over a undefeated team in the college football playoff? You know what? Now, look. The committee got all kind of crazy rules.

Georgia, Georgia, I think Georgia and Michigan's going regardless. Right. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. most definitely. Because I think from start to finish, they've been the two the two most dominant teams.

But if Florida State loses and say, well, obviously, if Washington beats Oregon, Oregon, that's two losses, they're done. Washington's in. So now Ohio State has one loss. Texas. Texas plays Oklahoma State.

What happens of Oakland? See, I don't think with two losses, I don't think anybody, they didn't take Alabama last. you with two losses. So I don't think any two lost team is going to make it. Nope. You know what? I'm just going to say pie in the sky. I'm going to say Georgia, Michigan, Washington, Oregon. I'm going Bammle. I'm going Bammle. Roll tie. I hate to say it,

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He got some fish, something fish. He always gets some fish thinking of people calling this. What's the name of it? Carrie Hilliard. Okay, okay. Oh, that would be swinging to it with nice. Jacob donated $20 and asked, oh, use your third blessing to slide in the doc DMs. But here is the thing.

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I got it. Matter of fact, hold on. But I could not buy. Let me write. Let me write that one down right there, boy. Yeah, when a sniper shoot. nobody huh

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greatest boxes of all time and love your show looking forward to it every day top five all time Hey Ali Floyd Mike Tyson

Boy, there's so many greats, man. There's a squeeze in that fire, boy. It's so many grates. Sugar Ray Robinson would be at the top. Yeah. Ooh, that's a good one. I think Armstrong. I mean, because...

And it might be preference, too, based on who you like. It is so many. And who you saw. Yeah. And who you saw. because, you know, I saw a prime Roy Jones and I thought he was the greatest box I'd ever seen. I saw Prime Sweet Pete, Sweet Pete Whitaker.

I don't know if you remember Sweet Pete Pete. Man, yeah, of course, of course. Best defense. Yeah, he was, he was Floyd with defense before Floyd. The Brown Bomber, Joe Lewis. But you know, back in the old days, Ocho, these guys would fight 10, 10 times. 12 times a year.

Yeah, guys were having 180 fights in a career. It's different now. Yeah. I only name three. I said Floyd, Mohammed Ali,

Mike Tyson, I need two more. I'm trying to think. It's so many good ones, man, the squeezing into that five. Sugar Ray Robinson is top five for me.

Joe Lewis is top five for me. I'll put Floyd in there. 50 and O and the amount of champions that he did beat. I think that goes. Ali had the biggest impact.

But you know, a lot of times getting in is the easy part, is getting out. That's the hard part. And sometimes these boxes we see they should have left. And it kind of ruins the image that we have of them. Yeah. And that's a good one. It is.

I mean, because, you know, all you hear is stories about Jack Johnson. Yeah, some of the, you know, I wasn't able to watch, you know, some of the people you named Fight. Obviously, they were, they were great ones during their time, during their era. I caught, I've seen enough of Muhammad Ali. I've seen enough of, I've seen enough of Floyd. I've seen enough of Mike. Yeah.

I mean, you know, Marvin Hagler. I came up in the 80s with the four horsemen. Listen, Sugar Ray Leonard. Yeah. No, Tommy Hurons, I thought it's, that's hard, man. George, you got Lennox Lewis. I mean, you got so many, so many greats. Yeah, it's kind of hard to just like rank the boxers.

You probably have to put them in a, you probably have to put them in a category of weight class. Right. The five best heavy weights, the five best, you know, welter weights, middle weights, you know, fly weights. because it's just, it's too hard to rank just like, okay, because it's just, it's just hard. It's not like basketball. You know what I'm saying?

You could just rank basketball, you know, football is a little hard because like, okay, because you kind of want to gear towards offensive players. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

Unless you are LT that transcends the position. Because the T.J. The T.J. Watts and all these guys, the Vaughn Miller's and all these guys, and all these guys, the Derek Thomas, the Cornelius Bennett, all that's because of L.T.

Mm-hmm. I think, you know, I know who my favorite boxer is. Now, he might not have been the best, according to his record, but his style and his entertaining style of fighting would be equivalent to me on the football field. Emmanuel Augustus.

Not familiar. Emmanuel Gustus, they call it, his nickname was the drunken master. Now, if you watch, if you Google him or you watch him as YouTube, YouTube stuff, you'll understand why he's my favorite. Now, he wasn't, obviously, from record-wise, he wasn't the best. But entertainment value, he reminds me of Prince,

and he's like Prince Nassim. And I was going to say, that's who reminds me of you, Prince Nassi, about the dance and turning to come. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing flips over the top, rope with all kind of boosts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for those two, those two right there from an entertainment aspect, man, two of my favorites, man, two of my favorites.

To be able to be able to, as difficult as boxing is, which I consider boxing to be the most difficult sport there is, for them to be able to entertain the way they do in the ring. I just would love to see what their conditioning was like to prepare for a fight because that shit they do was crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Oh, yeah.

You ain't got to tell me, I know. Patrick Rendon donated $20 and asked, Shanna, if it true, you recited Derek Thomas' girlfriend phone number in the middle of the game. Because D.T., no one heard. what I said or didn't say and he's not here to refute it I just let that go all I will have said this is that I've made peace with DT before he passed and he and I are in a good spot so I'm gonna leave it at that no place underscore like underscores homes donated it was a shame you were not a first ballot Hall of Famer where were your thoughts

going in the year you got called up and how did you feel once you were called up After I didn't get in on the first two times, I just like, I really didn't have a whole lot of expectations. I know my grandmother had started to get, and her health was starting to deteriorate even more, Ocho. And I at least wanted her to, me to be able to tell her, Granny, I'm in the Hall of Fame. And I remember when I got that call, and I called her. I said, Granny, I made the Hall of Fame. And, you know, she's like, well, what's that, baby? I say, I say, Granny, that's where all the good players go when they're.

retire. She say, ooh-wee, that show lives nice. I sure hope I'm around to see it. I say, you will be, Granny, you will be. Now, my grandmother passed a month before the actual ceremony. And I believe that was her way because my grandmother knows she couldn't go and hear me give that speech in that present body. She couldn't see me give that speech

in that present body. She had to leave, Ocho. she had to leave in order to hear and see me give that speech and to give her her moment. Because as I explained to the people, I say, you see this man that did this bus? He went to school to learn how to do this, to turn a bronze or wood into a figure. Me, I didn't go to school to give Mary Porter her face.

I say this. God gifted me with this to be able to paint a picture. So when I'm done, you know exactly who Mary Porter is and know exactly how she looks. So to be able to call her and to give her like, right, I'm, I did it. We did it. I call my brother. Say, bro, we did it. Call my sister.

that she was crying. Call my mom. Call my homeboy, bucket and burns. It was, it was, it was great. I mean,

you know, it's, I mean, I didn't think about no Hall of Fame. Oh, I'm just trying to make some money. I'm just trying to get my, help,

you know, keep my grandmother from having to go to work and not have to watch, you know, clean people, house or anything. Go fishing when she won't. I wasn't thinking about no Hall of Fame.

I just wanted to play, I just wanted, yay. If I could say, I played five, three, five years in the NFL, a little choke. I told people I was going to the NFL. I ain't say I was going to play 25 years. I said, I'm going to the NFL, I'm playing the league.

Right. Well, I did that. And so, man, it was, it's an unbelievable feeling. It's not, it's not who I am. It's what I did. Yeah. And so sometimes people, you know, well, no, they don't, they don't send checks for people to make the Hall of Fame.

It's an unbelievable honor. I'm not going to say and tell you that it's not. but it didn't change me. I'm still Shannon. I'm still, you know, my home boys, my kids. I'm still to say, it didn't change me one way, Ocho. But it's an unbelievable honor. Post-Chile donated $10 and said, hey, Ocho,

who do you think's winning the EPL this year? Shout out from San Diego. EPL this year, you don't know much about soccer. But right now, listen, Arsenal. Arsenal is doing really well. Arsenal's doing really well. obviously at the top of the table right now. After today,

he went. There's the air on replay for Arsenal? Yeah, that was, yeah, that was. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about that. You don't know. That was a while ago. I see you.

I see you. Yeah, but listen, Man City. Hollen is the guy now. Who? Holland. Yeah. Somebody. I don't, somebody did.

Somebody did you that stuff, man. I don't know anybody doing nothing. Somebody just sent you that stuff. Yeah, Arsenal at the top of the table right now. Hopefully, Arsenal can actually. keep a lead and stay at the top of the table and not let Man City overlap them towards the end of the season

so we'll see what happened. Okay. Somebody sent me somebody. Why are you getting out of you? Because I know somebody sending it to you. Ain't nobody said nothing. Somebody said that to me. You don't know.

No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no soccer, man. Sean Camp, Sean Camp donated. $10 in the ass. Oh, Prime has a tiny egg

in your vacancy. Any interest? Shout out from Conyers. Zero interest. I don't have the patience. I don't. I don't. I don't have the patience, bro.

I can't go over something all week. We meet about it. We practice it. We're going to go over the night before the game. And then you eff it up. I'm a loser. John Marshall donated. He's a part of my interruption.

Yo, Ocho. I'm having a live debate on chat, how you're a better receiver than Steve Smith, can y'all please opine on this? I mean, I don't know about that one, Ocho. Well, we all good. I don't know. I mean, what, what, what, what it, what it, what it would be on debate?

I don't know, Ocho, we make a case. You got to make a case. You got to make a case. You got to make a case. You got to present a case in front of my court. I don't need to make no case. I'm Ocho. Steve Smith.

Steve Smith was that boy, now. You know, me and Steve. Me and Steve, sure, we go. way back to junior college. You know, he played a little longer than I did, but he was that boy. When I don't know how old Smith he played 15 or 16 years? I don't know.

He played for a little minute. I don't know. Yeah, because he went to Baltimore. He played like three, four years in Baltimore. What did he play? Because Smitty, because Smitty came out in 01. Because my last Pro Bowl was he was a rookie and he was the returner for the NFC.

Yeah. He played 16, yeah. Yeah. He played 16? Yes. God. Yes. Damn.

Yeah, that boy, nice. JVille NC donated $5. Asked from a single father with two little boys, how did you instill value and discipline in your children during the season or when you couldn't be there? Ooh. That was the moms. Why was that getting rid of saying? Because their mom told them your dad not lenient like mom.

Your dad is only going to tell you something one time. That's it. and he's going to talk to you in a tone that you're not used to hearing. So the kids were on their best behavior. It wasn't until they got to be teenagers, but the kids really know. It was just my oldest. Because my oldest, she lived with me, her junior senior year. So she's a 16, 17-year-old female going through all of what they go through.

she won't what she wants she's strong will and so you know we have to have a lot of conversations um and you know one of my

one of my one of my one of my one of my favorite lines Kayla don't make daddy lose his job that's a good one that don't don't make daddy lose his job but

it's because you Hey, Oh, Joe, because during the season, you know, they would come out early, come out for a couple of games before it got too cold. Right. And, you know, back then, you know, I would have to, you know, they were good. My sister would either fly, get, would fly to bring them or my son, my girlfriend would go get him. And his mother was great about like, okay, I trust you. you trust her with our son. So, you know, back then, you could walk the kid.

You walked out of what? No, you didn't have to, you had to have a ticket. She walked the kid. My ex would get out the plane, get him, you know, do their pleasantries and get back on the plane and bring him. And then, you know, I had to work. So, you know, she's handling that. Or, you know, come time for trick-or-treat.

She'd take him to the facility, you know. She'd go get him, you know, go get him a costume and take him to the facility. So, but it's tough. It's tough when you're not there full time. And you want things a certain way. And that's not the way. Because think about the Ocho, 90% of the time, they do it a different way than what they would do it with you.

Yeah. And they're young, they four, five, eight years old. They're like, well, man, I've been doing it. I've been doing it like this forever. Why can't do it like this now? Right. Yeah, that's funny. The discipline and the morals and the understanding and the value of a dollar, all those other things.

Obviously, when I was in season, one of the things that I mean, I say it from time to time on here, the importance of those you have kids from, the importance of being on the same page with those that you have kids from. And understanding as long, if you two are on the same page, everything else is easy, especially when it comes to getting the kids to understand, right? right from wrong, understand the value of a dollar, understanding the life lessons and why things or why they are. It makes life so much easier when it's done that way instead of always being combative instead of always arguing and then always arguing or when you get the child and it just, it's just, it causes so much mess and so much dysfunction. We definitely try to make it. We

We definitely try to, you know, not to argue in front of the kids. Yeah. Didn't always work out like that because, you know, hey, you got your point. You want to get your point in. I want to get my point in. Right, right, right. But when it came down to it, you know, well, what do they want for Christmas? I get it.

No, they don't need that. No, no. Get it. Yeah. And so it was hard. But as they started to get older, I started to get less and, I started to get less and less of what they wanted for Christmas. You're not going to get 15. Christmas gifts.

And everyone that you want, you're nothing to get that because it doesn't work like that in the real world. So as they started to get older, you have to explain. Nah, you're not getting this, this, and this because somebody else got that. Okay. That's fine. No. So as they got older, you try, you could explain it. They understood.

But they're like, but daddy, you make, yeah, daddy made, you don't. That's the difference. You know, the funny thing. the older they get, for me, I already got all my Christmas list already from all the kids. The older they get, the smaller the list gets

and just a little bit more pricey. Yeah, thank you. They don't want 15 things. They want two things that cost more than those 15 things. 15. Yeah. Oh, I don't got the list. I don't got the list.

You got your already? Already. Already. Already. Already. But I like to get that out the way. I said, don't wait till the last minute. And then they don't have it.

And then you're going to talk about, well, when they don't have it. You're not, I promise you, whatever you put on this list, you're not the only one they want it. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. So just to make sure you, you know,

you're able to get what you want or a close facsimile of it. My son really easy to shop for it now, because he got my grand, all he thinks about is stuff for the baby. I'm like, y'all easy. Yeah. Y'all easy.

I like that right. I think he'll get most of the stuff anyway. Y'all ain't getting, you know, y'all a little gift card. Y'all going to be opening presents to New Year's, all the stuff he'll get. Jerry Lee donated $50 and asked. Fate of the universe is on the line. Tom Brady's at the hell and humanity needs a touchdown to live, fourth and gold at the 10, up in Ocho lined up by wide, 101, no safety.

Brady throws the ball. Who saves the world? gets us killed. Yeah. If I'm guard you, Ocho, I'm sorry, Ocho. Ocho, I'm sorry.

You guard me? I'm guarding you. Well, then you're done. Ojo, I hate to do this to you, Ocho. You done, but you're done, man. If the world, the world...

Yes. For one, my specialty, my specialty is beating, bump and run. So... I... Ojo, hold on. Hold on. Do you hear what he saying?

You say you guard me. is fourth and gold at the 10. I'm not going to press you. Well, you definitely ain't going to play off. And you really don't. I'm playing off. You're in no man's land. You can't play.

I'm right where I want to be. No, you're not. No, you're not. Yes, I am. You already be. The world is saved. And I'm going to tell you, the world is saved you for the ball snap.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to line up five yards, and I'm looking at the quarterback. By the time you look at the quarterback, Get your ass back on me. I'm going to be gone. Look here, it's fourth and gold.

All I got to do is keep you out the end zone. Yeah, all right. It sound good. That's what everybody said. That's what everybody said when I was playing, too. I just got to keep you out of the end zone. I put that. I'll put that soup bone on you.

I don't see that. You see that? I'm putting that soup bone on you. I'm going right through that. Just about, Ocho, just imagine. I'm a bigger Rebus. You're who? I'm a bigger Rebus.

I'm a bigger Rebus. Ever. You talk about what? You talk about butthead and beavis? I'm a big of Reeve. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho, you know,

ohio, you know if, hey, Ocho, I got to do it, putting these clamps on you. I touch it's over for you. I don't even get touched. I just, Revis touch you. No, no, I didn't get touched at the line. The ball just wasn't complete. Nah, Revis.

I was like, man, Revis did this demand here? Nah, I see. There you go lying, now. You can turn on the film. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho. That right?

Where you go with? Mm-mm. I'm having you right. You're right. You're too little anyway, man. I'm going to talk you out your game, so I know for a fourth and gold on the 10. I don't know I'm scoring. Ocho, you do realize I'm a professional talker, right?

Yeah. What you mean? I wrote the book on talking. Ocho, I was... I wrote the book on talking trash. Not only did I write the book, I walk it when I talk it, too. Ocho, I read the, I wrote the preface. Is that the first part?

So you, okay, you wrote a couple of chapters. No, no, no, no, no. Read the, read. Read the content. Read the contents. Ocho, Ocho, come on, Ocho. You don't, you know what I do. You don't, you don't, you don't, they already voted me.

Ocho, they already voted me, Tom. Ocho? No, I'm the number one trash talk of all time. No, you not. What you talk about? Yes, I am. You want to see the list again, Ocho? No, that, that, that booboo ass.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no do that. Don't do that because this boo-boo because you're not number one, and I ain't number one either, but I'm a higher to you. Trust me. The people that know, no. The people that know, no. The people that know or need to know, they know. What they know, Joe?

The greatest, not only talker, but entertainer of all time, is sitting on the other side of this lens. They're looking at him, and they know what they else. Yeah, right here. Right here. My hair ain't done, so I had to wear a skull cap. What here? You ain't got no hair?

Oh, I got here. Oh, man, you know what? I'm going to the game tomorrow. What game? The Philly Lakers game. Because, you know, I got to do inside the NFL, but I'm flying in a day early to go to the game. I'm sitting courtside. What time the game come on?

I'm, shoot, I, what, 730? It's my first game for the year. Chad. Chad, they voted you 18 best trash talker all time. And then, again, who you think, who you think, who you think made that? The same people, the same people that be voting for pro-bo or all-pro team. Yeah. You had no problem when they voted you all pro?

You didn't say these people don't know what the hell they do it. They don't know what they're doing. Oh, okay. Ask the people that played the game who the number one trash talk of all time is. Not no, not no voters. I ain't talk about no, vote. They ain't never played no football. Don't do that, Ocho.

Now you're trying to diminish me to top five. You're trying to diminish me. I'm not trying to diminish you. You're trying to undermine me. Ask the people that actually played the game with us, who are the greatest talker and entertainer of all time? Who called the National Guard on the Patriots? Huh?

Who called the National Guard on the Patriots? That was you. That was cool. That was all right. Did you hear what the man asked me? The man just asked me a question. You heard the man asked me. I'm the only man get 30-yard.

I get 30 yard. I got 30 yard of pillars on one drive. Do you ever did that? I got fine three million. I got three million and fine throughout my career. You ain't got no final $3 million. Total? What we have?

Make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We had, what we had? We had 346, 652. Well, y'all try to take all about, y'all take all my little money. I ain't going to have no money. This money.

You can take my money. holidays. I don't even care. I didn't got my money. It's the holidays. I didn't got my Christmas shopping out of the way. Well, that's, that's, I ain't got mine. Sure, I finished Christmas shopping at August. You late. Hey, you know, mom, sister,

brother, three kid, grandkids. Well, you don't, you don't want me to, you don't want me to name all my kids. Don't do that. Yeah, I know. You ain't, you ain't, boy, you got, you got it easy. That's why I got mine. I got my I just get my mom and sister money. That's it.

As it. You get what you want. Yeah. I don't know why. I mean, it's Christmas every month for them. Yeah. Hey. That's,

you wear the crown. No, you know, I just think the thing at this juncture, the last thing, my sister, because she had the most important job, because she had to be there

and protect the most important asset, which was our grandmother. So my mind and my brother's mind could be at ease. Right. She gave up whatever she might have wanted to become or what she wanted to do to make sure granted was taken care of. Right. So for that, there ain't no price tag.

We've been taking care of my sister. My sister hadn't had a job since she had the late 80s. I like that. But taking care of great. That was a job. That's her job. Whatever granted need, whatever time of the night, whatever it is. Hey, you have that.

That's live. And for that, you'll never have to work a day in your life. That's live. My mom, well, she had the most important job. She gave birth to me. So her job, she, she getting royalties for the rest of her life of what she did in 1968. You know what people say they catalog? Well, I bought catalog.

Yeah. And then my brother, hey, you know, he's straight too. You got the brothers, oh, Cho? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chansy, I know he, I know Chansy probably, probably watching Sam. You got the sisters? Yeah, Shanita, got my sister, Shanita. Yeah, that's it.

I was it. That's it. So it's four y'all? Yeah, yeah. Where you fall at in the rank? True, number two. I mean, we, we all in all in all, 46, 46, 45. Yeah, right down the road.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Ojo, you didn't stop your dog, man. Man, you know, every time people say, man, Ocho will be trying to sit you up. You need to let Ocho sit you up with such and such. Sit you over, man. Bro.

No. Wow, what's wrong? What's wrong? What's you scared of? Ocho, they ain't ready for me. You know, I'll be on them, I'll be on them diamonds, Ocho. So, you know, leave me alone. Can I ask you a question?

Yeah. Like. I listen to rap, but I don't listen to much rap to where I understand. But if I'm not mistaken, Megan Estagian, her music, most of the time, the people, when you rap, you rap about things that you know and experiences that you do. And you be talking about that diamond, I don't think that's really going to work. That's the point of her name. The point of her being a stallion, it. It supersedes anything that you're saying.

So I think you... I know she. I need good. Are you scared? No, but here, I understand, Ocho. My grandfather used to say, boy, they can look down longer than you can look up. They look up long than you can look down.

You know what I'm saying? Ocho? Yes, sir. But, hey, I have a stretched out like a quarter to three. You know what I mean? Ocho, don't play with you. Ocho, you're going to stop playing with me, Ocho? Oh, boy.

Man, I'm too, Ojo, boy. I bet I got that liquid. that on me? I keep that liquid on me. Now. A quarter to what? A quarter to three. Meg, I know you're going to see this, Meg. I know you're going to see this.

Hey, I got three ways. Do it two or three ways, Ocho. Deep, heart and continuously. That's all I got, boy, Ocho. You better stop playing. Meg. Meg, I know you're going to see this. Meg, I ain't going to see nothing. Meg, I know you're going to see this.

We'll edit this out. Man, listen, Meg. right here, man. I let him. I ain't got to say nothing. I ain't got to say he's shooting this shot.

I ain't no shooting no shot. Man, look here, man. You know, we just have it to puttoe. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. It's all, yeah, that's how it starts. It starts with fun. I'm opening up like saloon doors. You better stop

pitching. Ocho, boy, y'all, you know, but y'all don't know about on shake? Boy,

she was hell when he was where he was well. I'm a little off right now, But you know, I still do a little something here and them. Hey, listen. What? Nah, you already had, you got a bad hip.

Well, they think good. Slow down, man. Oh, no, they're good, Ocho. They're good. They good, now, Ocho. Let me hit, let me hit Meg people, man. No, you don't need to hit Meg people. You don't need to hit Meg people.

I want no problem, though, Cho. I just, you know, we're just chewing the facts. No, I don't get scared now. No, I'm scared. I don't get scared now. I'm scared. Just pop that diamond. I said you...

I got a little... 100 milligram of liquid now. You understand? That liquid, that liquid, now they don't do them to peel. They got that liquid. That thing fast-acting. Yeah. Yeah, man.

Okay, okay. I got... I mean, I wouldn't. I ain't got to try that, but, you know, I just... Whatever work, whatever works, whatever works, whatever work. It worked.

I ain't got that yet. It worked. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You were wrong. What you left, Jo? What I do?

Hey, you're going to get me in trouble, man. You're going to get me in trouble. What I do? What I do? I'm just trying. I just, listen, I'm just, I don't know. I thought, I thought, I got, I thought, I thought, I got that text. I told me, keep it cute.

My bad. No, I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah, that's all we do. We keep a cut on here. Yeah, I ain't got nothing. Yeah, we go, we go, we don't, you know,

you ain't got to say much. You know, I'm going to, I'm going to take the cue. You know, I'm going to do what I need to do on my end, man, to make sure, yeah, make sure Meg get to you. But she's going to see this. Shoot, Meg might be watching. Yeah, that's, that got a nice little ring to it. Unkling and a stallion.

Man, Meg needs too good. Man, you see how nag be bouncing on me, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that. I need like Baron Sanders' knees. You know, a bad knee, big curtain, you go. Yeah, yeah. She got good knees.

She got good knees. You got bad hips. She got good knees. That's the perfect match. Ocho. Ocho, okay. How's she going to be stretched out, Ocho? Like a quarter of three.

Hey, you better stop playing, Ocho. Man, thank y'all for another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you click that like. button, make you hit that subscribe button. Guys, you've been unbelievable. Somehow, I got a feeling that Ocho and I gonna have to get off about 10 to 20 bands by tomorrow. That's fine.

You definitely gonna put us over a 350 by tomorrow. So thank you- Somebody called Meg. Call me. Oh, no, mercy. Y'all makes your, Meg. Y'all makes your, Meg, get this. Look here, man, look at Ocho.

Man, we just having fun, Ocho. Listen, nah. It all started with fun. Like Sherell slid in my DM as fun. You sent them my ass. You see what we had now? A child later, two, too, no, I don't do that. It all thought it's fun. Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, I ain't bother nobody, Ocho.

No, it's too late. I'm just a 55-year-old granddad, just trying to find my way in the world. Yeah, no, no, no, don't, don't fold that. Don't fold that. You see what you're saying? You're going to say, he's a Nope, nope, nope, I ain't got nothing for you. Nope, nope, I ain't got nothing for you.

Ain't got nothing for you. Ain't got nothing for you, Ojo. We're going to get you right, though. We're going to get you right, baby. You ain't, you're too old now. We're going to get you right. We ain't too old? No, we ain't too old.

No, we got to go, Ojoe. I got to go to work in the morning. Stephen A. Stephen A. Molly going to be in studio. We in L.A. tomorrow. Okay, okay. Okay. Y'all handle that, man.

I got a fight in the morning, man, the Philly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you have some talk back about the game because the game is at what, four o'clock? 4.30? No. Oh, your time. Like 7.30, 8.30.

One of them. I don't know. Yeah. I just want to sit on this. I'm sitting course. I just want to heck with them boys talking and talk shit. Man, you ain't going to do nothing. She.

5.15? No, I'm saying the football game. You're going to the basketball game. The Lakers and the Sixers. I think that's at 430. My time. What time is? I just pull it up.

I think it's at 430. Normally East Coast games at 4.30, right? It's at 4 o'clock. Okay, okay, okay. Four o'clock. Yeah. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Make sure you click that like button.

Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We're at over $346,000. There's no question in my mind. We're going to reach that magic number of $350 tomorrow. And 40 winners will win $500 each. That's right. Ocho and I will be giving away $20,000. $20 bands. 20 bands. So thank you. I'm your favorite sports uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85. Binger's legend, ring of famer, Chad, Ocho Cinco Johnson. We'll see you tomorrow. Thank you. I love y'all. Good night.

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