The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Ja Morant balling out, Zion's tattoo, Durant's frustrations with Suns

Episode Date: December 28, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to Ja Morant leading the Grizzlies to a 4-0 record since returning from suspension, Zion's strange new chest tattoo, Lakers players clashing with Darvin Ham dur...ing their recent skid. Kevin Durant reportedly frustrated with Suns' "underwhelming supporting cast" and the entire Wednesday night slate in the NBA. 0:00 - Introduction03:30 - Cavs beat Mavericks09:45 - Thunder beat Knicks21:00 - 76ers beat Magic38:00 - Suns Beat Rockets47:00 - Unc Goes OFF on Kevin Durant58:00 - Will KD ever be happy?1:08:00 - Why Draymond acts out1:18:00 - Lakers lineup issues1:41:00 - Ja Morant balls out1:56:00 - Zion's wack tattoo2:02:00 - Sex lives of NBA players #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:06 Luca and the Mavs collapsed in the fourth quarter, lose against the Cavs 113 to 110. The Cavs overcame a 20-point deficit, outscored the Mavericks, 3120 in the fourth quarter. No Donovan Mitchell, no Darius Garland, no Evan Mold. Karas Levert, 29 points in the Gussie Lake 3 for the lead. Jared Allen had 24 points, 23 rebounds.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I guess he was responded to Andre Drummond's 24 and 25 against the hog yesterday. Luca 39, 7, and 6 was not enough. What did you take away from this ball game? It's usually your bench. You know, Dallas is, they have one superstar.
Starting point is 00:04:43 This reminds me of Jordan when he came into the league, right? You know, Luca's so good where we think that, you know, Dallas Maverick is a contest. They're good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:53 No, he's good. Yeah. They're not good. You know, your third best player, which is your second best player now, comes off the bench, right? It lets you know where the team is. And, you know, he was just outmatched.
Starting point is 00:05:07 You know, it's basically him versus, you know, Cleveland five. Now, which is embarrassing because, you know, without no Donovan Mitchell, no Darius Garland, no Evan Mobley. So the calves are down three starters. You can't lose that game on your home court, especially being up by 20 Gil. Yeah. But, you know, when you have players like Lavert coming off the bench
Starting point is 00:05:29 where he was a big factor in this game, where it came off with 29 off the bench, right? You know, he was a big, big key when Brooklyn was, when he was with Brooklyn, right? Yes. So, you know, he can play, and that's what's coming off the bench. So you got guys that steps up that you normally don't count on, but that's what having deep rosters is like.
Starting point is 00:05:50 So when you do need players like that, they can really, you know, count for one game. So, you know, it's just one of those games where, you know, Dallas got a little overzealous, as you can say. Yeah. And when you look at it, I'm looking at this ballgame and I'm saying, okay, Hardaway Jr. is a nice player. You got Dante Exam, who's been playing well.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Grant William, who you're signing free agency. I just don't know how you get up by that minute and just blow the game. I mean, they basically blew that ball game. They had a 20-point lead. And maybe, and I don't know, maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong. But I know sometimes we have a propensity to relax if a team, I know in football, oh, they ain't got this starting quarterback. They're down there starting running back. They're down there starting receiver or their best this or their best that.
Starting point is 00:06:38 And sometimes you find yourself, you take that for granted. But normally you don't see that happening football. A team get a 14, 17 point lead without a team's best players and the other team that doesn't have those best players come back and win. Now, we see this. A 20 point lead in today's game is not the same with a 20 point lead, 20 years. years ago, Gil, 30 years ago. Facts, facts. Because the guys can shoot the three balls so much
Starting point is 00:07:03 better. Because I don't remember, I mean, when I was growing up, I don't remember got teams coming back from 26 and 28 points in a ball game. Because normally, okay, it's time to watch something else. It's time to do something else. We're going to go outside and play ball on our own. Y'all down by 26, 28.
Starting point is 00:07:20 But the way they shoot the three ball, a couple of threes, a couple of turnovers. And the next thing you know, a 28 point lead is 18. And then they go on another spurs. another 10-0 run. So now an 18-0 run, and now you're down 10 when you're just down 28. But Seth Curry played a good game. He had 19 points.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Luca, as I mentioned, had 39. Dante Exam had 13. Derek Jones had 12. And Tim Hardaway, Jr. had 14. But you look at Cleveland. Isaac Coru had 22. Jared Allen, 24 and 23, as we mentioned. Karis Lavert had 29.
Starting point is 00:07:57 George Nia 16. You got to win that one, Bill. Those are the ones that you kick yourself, you know, in the ass later because you let this, you know, get away from you. With that being said, what gets you in the leads is also what takes you out, right? Because this is a three-point shooting league now,
Starting point is 00:08:20 you can go up by 20 and you can go down by 20. You shoot four or five straight threes, Bricks them and they make three or four, five, right? You just cut that lead down. And that's what's happening in today's game where there's no lead that's safe because when you're up, you're not going to get twos and get to the free to live. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're trying to add the same method that got you back.
Starting point is 00:08:44 This one thing that I have a problem with is this. Everyone shouldn't shoot the goddamn ball. But I know we need to put up, you know, a certain amount of threes, but not you. not you. Not you because when we're up 20, everybody else feels like they can shoot. This is my time to shoot. Like, no, it's not your time to shoot.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Begiel, have you ever seen a situation where all of a sudden the team is hot and everybody, and you see this a lot in mop-up duty? A team is up by 20 with like two minutes to go in the ball game. And all of a sudden they call time out and they sub everybody out. And even the backups come in and they launch them and they're going in. Now you put them guys in a regular meaningful game. and they can't buy a basket.
Starting point is 00:09:27 But seemingly when they're up by 20, everybody, no one can miss a shot. And I think the thing is what you're alluding to is that all of a sudden, everybody, if they're feeling good, they make it three, hey, let me try one. No, bro, bro. You need nothing but two.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Actually, you need dunks and putbacks. You don't need anything outside the paint. Yeah, no, yeah, when you, when you're a bench player, the game's down, you're down by 20, you're up by 20, that is the perfect scenario for it because you have no pressure on you. So you just get to go out there and just shoot how you want to shoot. That's like practice for you.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Right. You just get to throw up shots. And sometimes that costs you, you know, when a team still has their starters in. Yeah. Yes. So the Mavericks lose, they collapse to the Cavs, lose 113, 110, after being up by 20 points. The Cavs outscore him by 11 in the fourth quarter to take a 113, 110 victory.
Starting point is 00:10:21 The Thunder beat the Knicks, 129, 120. The explicit duo of Shea Gildes, Alexander, and Jalen Williams combined for 72 points. Shea Gildjus had 36, 8, and 7, Jalen, Williams. I think everybody names Williams in the state of Oklahoma play for the Thunder. He had 36 on 5'0.5.3, 76% field goal. He was 13 of 17. Chet Hongren had 22, and the Thunder now moved to 20 and 9. I like the Thunder, Gil.
Starting point is 00:10:48 I like them. I do, too, but they're young, right? Yes. They're going to give you those days where, you know, they're going to be taking it. because, you know, your best player, Shea, he has it, right? He understands the game. He's dominating the game right now. He, for the last three, four, five years, he's been shown that he is a superstar.
Starting point is 00:11:06 So with him leading the charge, it's easier for everybody else to just chip in here and there. So they have great players around Shea that can just do what they do and don't have to worry about the heavy lifting. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, man, I love Shay. I mean, he has a tremendous pull step back. He can get to the rack. He can finish with either hands. He's a little bit more explosive because you think he's going to lay it up
Starting point is 00:11:33 and he will flush it on you. He got a nice little three game. That's not in his arsenal, but he can get hot and hit the three. As you mentioned, Williams, I saw him against the Lakers a couple of days ago, even though the Lakers won. He can stroke it from three. He can really shoot the ball from outside. Chad Hongren.
Starting point is 00:11:51 He's up and coming. He needs to add about 10 pounds to that frame. But what I like about him, he ain't just jacking up threes. He'll try to put the ball on the floor and try to get to the rim. He'll try to poke it on you. And he's challenging everything.
Starting point is 00:12:04 You might flush on him, but he's going to block two or three shots. He's going to alter two or three shots. So he's going to impact the game on a defensive perspective for about 10 points because he's going to block two or three of your shots. He's going to alter two or three of your shots. and maybe he'll make the time of possession run out on a few of your shots.
Starting point is 00:12:22 So he's going to account for 10 points. That's why they're so good defensively, even though they are young. But I like this team. They can get up and down. They can play a lot of different styles. They got young guys. And when you know young guys, you don't know any better. You don't know anything about being tired.
Starting point is 00:12:38 But I love Shagio Gissel Alexander. And maybe, maybe Kauai went a little bit too fast. Because how do you think the Clippers, and we're going to continue on with this, But how do you think the clippers would look with Shea Gilges and Kauai? I would be better than, see, see, that that's, you see. Now, you see why, like, you know, you question that upper management. Like, what, what did you see? When did you see?
Starting point is 00:13:04 You know, I guess they were trying to win right now. And, you know, it was more of a package deal for Kauai. Kauai wanted to be yours there. Yeah, he wanted to. I heard Doc, I heard Doc was talking. And he tried to explain to, he's like, you need to get. give this guy a year. He's like, Hawaii, he's really good. And he said,
Starting point is 00:13:21 well, if you don't get me PG, I'm going to the team across the hallway. And they could ill afford to have that because that had been a death sentence for the Clippers. You cannot have LeBron, A.D. and Kauai across the hall. And then all you have is what you've got.
Starting point is 00:13:37 So I understand they had to make the move and they gave up a King's Ransom to get PG. But when you look at it and you look at it player for player right now, Shake you just is a better player than PG and he has been for the last couple of years shame I mean to be honest he might be a better player
Starting point is 00:13:52 than both of them right now you might be right he might be right like he is I won't fight you I won't debate you about it I want to go either way at this point but you know he's steady he's humble he trains he's work I mean
Starting point is 00:14:07 every summer he comes back he's added something to his game yes and you know Clippers is going to always kick themselves you know, in the butt when they look back at some of the trades they made versus what they have now.
Starting point is 00:14:23 But, you know, just like anything, you're always trying to move pieces to get better pieces when you don't know that what's fools gold and what's real gold. What's that gym, you know, what's that gym hiding? And hey, you know, one of those. And he's those type of players.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Right. You look at the Knicks, RJ Bag gave him 14. Julius Randler gave him 25. Devin Chinozo gave him 17. Jalen Bronson was 24, quickly, was 22. But they let the Thunder shoot a very high percentage. And Thibodot team is normally known for defense,
Starting point is 00:14:58 but it's seemingly, the Thunder were able to get whatever they wanted. Now, look, it's very difficult. I mean, to try to say, okay, we're going to, I understand you got Josh Hart. And I understand R.J. Barrett and Deben Chino. But ain't nobody stopping, Shea, from getting where he, wants to go. He's going to get his shot because you try to beat him to the punch
Starting point is 00:15:18 and now he's going to pull back and shoot that little 12 foot, 14 foot shot and he's going to switch it. And then all a sudden you think he's going to pull back. He pulled heavy and now he's landing up off the glass or he's laying it up either way, left hand or right-handed in the cup. So, and if they're going to shoot it
Starting point is 00:15:34 like this, if they're going to shoot the ball like this, they got, look, Trash, as I said, chess going to challenge everything. You got Lou Dord, who's a quality defender who can get hot and shoot the ball from three. And they got guys that can shoot the ball from three. I mean, when you look at this team, Jalen Williams can shoot it for
Starting point is 00:15:50 three. Kendrick, he's more a down low player, but he can get hot. Jalen Williams, well, J.A. L.E.N. and J. Y.L.N., like I said, everybody named Williams in Oklahoma played for the Thunder. But they got a nice young, a nice young
Starting point is 00:16:07 basketball team. Isaiah Joe, he can shoot the three ball because I remember him last year when I was at the game, which LeBron past Kareem. And every time the Lakers make a run, one of these Williams or Azeo Joe would make a three to quell that run. So I was
Starting point is 00:16:22 really impressed with the thunder and I think they're only going to get better. Josh Gidey, he's not having the season, because he normally, by now probably have what? Two or three triple doubles? Yeah. Yeah. I think with him, you know, besides the off-the-court
Starting point is 00:16:39 situation that's, you know, looming around him, I think with Chet there, it takes the ball out of his hand more. Yes. And with Shea being more dominant, you don't need Giddy. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:53 He's a movable piece at this point. You don't need him. His upside has dropped very, very drastically. Yes. The Knicks squad, I'm never going to be impressed with them. It reminds me. Like, Tibato, you have two guys that's playing 30-plus minutes
Starting point is 00:17:14 scoring four and two. Four and four. Like what is the point of them being on the court when someone's averaging 20, 30 points? Yeah. Josh Hart had played 34 minutes and he gave you four points. Yeah, that's wasted minutes.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Wasted minutes. You have Isaiah, was it Isaiah? Hardinstein? Yeah. But he's your center because, you know, the big guy went out. I mean, because they're all real undersized team. If you look at them,
Starting point is 00:17:40 Hardinstein now is their largest player. Mm-hmm. So, I mean, got to play a big because you got Julius Randall, you know, obviously Randall's got to play RJ Barrett, they're decent size. But when you look at it, I mean, they're not a big team. That's why I don't think they can do anything in the East because everybody else is ginormous. You look at Boston has great side with Prozinger's, uh, uh, uh, JT and J. And J.B., um, they have great sides with them. We know Milwaukee has trees with Janus and Bobby Porter's and
Starting point is 00:18:10 Brooke Lopez and we, Joe Ellen Bede. Yeah. And they come. with not and they come with uh i think it's reed who's who's the backup center i ain't i ain't talking about mo bomb i ain't talking about him no no no no i'm not talking about him but they got big guys that can back you down and i don't know who can deal with who can actually in a seven game series for the nix i know they can win one game because jalen bruns is get hot and give you give you 50 uh we've seen julius randler he can get hot and he can give you 30 and he can give you 30 40 and 15 but in a four game to win four games against Milwaukee or Boston or Philly, I don't believe they can do it.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Do you think they can win a series against one of those three teams? No, not those things. The only team they can beat, and I said it last year, the only team y'all can beat here is playing against Cavs, and that's who they got. You know, Cavs were Toronto. You can beat one of those teams with a player like Brunson.
Starting point is 00:19:03 You know, once you start getting to that second round and you start going against them giants, it's really hard to win with that lineup. I mean, your best, most dominant player, Becky Hammond said it right. They don't have a 1A player. They don't. Brunson is a great, great second player or third or coming off the bench as that it guy, right?
Starting point is 00:19:28 It's hard for small guys to win a title deal. I mean, you look at the history of the game as lead dogs. It's been Steph Curry and it's been Isaiah Thomas. Yeah. And now, don't take anything away from AI. Chuck was outstanding. And he put up big number, led the league and score. obviously we know what he is he was a historic player but to win a championship man like i said
Starting point is 00:19:49 you got to be step curry who we know is transcendent and isaiah those are only i'm telling when i say small and i guess step currie what'd you say step is six two six two and a half six three to half six six one but when you start talking about is brunson is brunson six foot with shoes on he's six two he made so when you when you talk when we talk about small now we know the big We know magic and we know Jordan guys of that. But man, for them for them little guards, man, you're asking an awful lot. It's an awful lot because if that's your best player, and it's not like he's athletic or like he's long, right? You know, where he can make up some of the height.
Starting point is 00:20:34 Like a slide, yeah. But he's small, stubby, compact, right? You know, it's like he's not a Chauncey Billups, but if you put him with like LeBron, great. If you put him with Boston, great. When he's the best player on the team, you really don't have a chance because he has to do so much being limited.
Starting point is 00:20:57 And he's very limited at his size. I mean, I compared him to IT. And to be honest, I'm pretty sure IET is offended because IT was a two-time all-star averaging 29. Right. Don't compare me to do. He ain't even on the level. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:12 Right. But that's just the case. When you're small, like Iverson, you got to average 32, 33. 24, I can get that from any guard. I can get 24 from a guard. But what he does bring is he brings leadership and knowing how to get a great bucket in the last five minutes of the game. Yeah, he's sensational with that.
Starting point is 00:21:31 So, OKC wins that ball game, 129, 129, 120. The Sixers beat the Magic minus Joel Embed, 112 to 92. Sixers first win without Embed this season and five tries. Philly takes 17 more shots than Orlando. Tyrese maxi had 23 points to lead them. The Anthony Melton stepped up tonight. He had 22, 8 to 13 field goals. He was plus 24.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Tyrese Maxi credits James Horan for helping him develop into an all-MBA caliber talent. First, let's get to the Sixers beat the Magic. without Joel Embed, and then we can address Tyrese maxi comments, credit, flowers for James Hardin. What are you like? Minus Joe, obviously we know with Joel Embed. He's averaging 35 points a game.
Starting point is 00:22:19 He's giving you 10, 11 rebounds a game. Now he's giving you four, five or six assists a game. So now he's the complete package. And he's a dominant force on the defensive end. So he's giving you 35. He's assistant on six. So we assume that at least two of those are going to be three. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:36 So now he's basically giving you about 45 to 50 points a night with his points and assist. So you know you got that. You know you see Tyrese Maxie blossoming, growing right in front of our eyes. He's giving you 25 to 30 on a nightly basis. And some nights he can give you 35, 40. Yeah. What do you like most about the Sixers? Without him be, they're way better than Orlando.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Orlando is young, right? You know, that's up and coming to our young team. So, you know, you expected, you know, Sixers to win this, right? You got, you still got Harris over there. You still got Ubrey. You got solid veteran guys who know how to play this game, right? You would expect, like, Maxi to come out and try to score 40 tonight, right? Because Embed's not here like, oh, I get to get off.
Starting point is 00:23:22 But the way the game is being played, he realized that he still manages the game. You know, Embed is not going to get this ball, but Ubre can get some shots. you have Harrison get some shots, Milton get some shots. So he still did his job as a point guard, you know, getting the team involved. When usually a young guard would try to make up the point difference for his star center. Yeah, he was, he's really, he's really good. He's, he's going to get the max contract. And I think the max contract this year, especially he's going to be, I think he's going to make the all-star team.
Starting point is 00:23:59 And so now he has another bargaining chip in it. So whatever the max was last year, I'm assuming it's going up a little bit. There's a 5% inflation tax. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Max contract number, but I like Tyrese. He said he credited James Harden with helping him develop into an all-MBA player. What's he saying for our lay people at home? What is he saying?
Starting point is 00:24:23 Yes. See, people don't realize how great James Hardin was at putting that ball in that basket. Right? Yeah, I think we, the last two years, we judged him on outside things and not realize what he was very skilled at, right? You know, you got to go back to that 2018, 2019 season where he average, what, 36? Out of the last 61 games, he scored 30 plus 46 of those games. out of 61 games, he scored 40, he scored 30 or more, 46 times. 20 or more, all 61 times.
Starting point is 00:25:06 That's a different breed of a score. So if I'm maxy, I'm soaking up everything. I don't care where he's at right now. I know what's here. And I want to train with you. I want to pick your brain. I want to know what you know. Because this type of level of scoring,
Starting point is 00:25:23 there's only really two other guards that really, this Michael Jordan and Kobe Brian Hoobie went on runs like this. Yes, yeah. Where you're talking about out of the last 61 games of the season, 20 or more, all 61. That's impressive. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:40 And I think the thing is, we remember James Harden at his absolute apex in Houston. And he turned himself in more of a facilitator at Brooklyn. So we didn't see that 50, that 50 point triple double. We didn't see the 60 point triple doubles. We saw a guy somewhere in the mid-20s, give you a triple-double. And if KD was out, he took the onus, he could score more. If Karee was out, he could take the off onus and score even more.
Starting point is 00:26:08 But normally when one of those other guys were out, it was great because he understood, yes, I can get my shot, but I need to get these other guys involved. When he went to Philly, he even became more of a facilitator leading the NBA and assist last year because of Joyle and B. It's hard. I don't see a situation where you should. and leave the NBA if you got Joel and B to dump it down to
Starting point is 00:26:28 because you know he's going to give you 30 a night anyway. Some, a lot of those are going to come from the file line. But when I look at, when you look at a guy, and that's what I said,
Starting point is 00:26:38 as a veteran player, give that knowledge. Because a lot of times, Gail, man, he ain't taking my job. I ain't helping it. Facts. Facts. And we see this chat
Starting point is 00:26:49 with a lot of times in the NFL with the quarterbacks. It's not my job to get him ready. It's not my job. job to help him. It's almost like, bro. If you're securing yourself, he can't beat you out for the job. If you are what you believe he is,
Starting point is 00:27:03 pass the information on. It'll serve you well. What good is all that information to hoard it? Spread it. But I love Tyrese Maxey and I love the fact that he gave James Hardin. Since James Hardin is the reason. I'm watching him. And you should. You should be able to
Starting point is 00:27:19 get better by being on the same court, by practicing with, picking his brain, watching what he does, See how he breaks down a defense, how he orchestrates and leads and leads, excuse me, how he breaks down a defense, how he leads an offense. You should get better. You should, but everybody don't, right? Does everybody want to get better? No.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Everyone ain't built for the same altitude. Right, right? You know what I mean? And that's usually the most frustrating part where you have someone like a James Harden who he's, he's an eagle, right? Right. and playing with some pigeons. And he's trying to get them to his altitude, knowing that if they get up there,
Starting point is 00:28:00 they're going to die. Right. So now he has to come down and play pigeon basketball while getting killed by the media for playing pigeon basketball. Right? And then that's where you have this fine line between being selfish and being a team player, where I can average 36 on this team. They trash.
Starting point is 00:28:20 But if I, I make the right plays and pass these guys at a ball, they're not capable of it. So should I average 22, 11 assists and we lose so I can prove that this team sucks? Or do I just average 36 points and you just keep calling me selfish? That is a big thing in the NBA. That is a big fight in the NBA with the star player. When the pressure from the outside is like, why he ain't bad? Why he ain't?
Starting point is 00:28:49 Because my team ain't good. They can't step up to this level. They don't want to work. I worked out three times a day. Every day when I got to Washington, I seen in my years, Quran was the most consistent. Larry Hughes a few times,
Starting point is 00:29:11 Antoine Jameson a few times. That's it. In my extra work. So when I come in at 9 o'clock at 9, 11 o'clock at night, one in the morning. I only seen a few players out of my whole career. Everybody don't want it. You can't make them.
Starting point is 00:29:33 And see, that's what people don't understand. There's a price to be paid for greatness. And if you're not willing to pay that price, you don't deserve to be great. I don't care how much you talk about it. Because, see, professional sports, the one thing that you can't talk your way in or out. Because they're going to, you have to prove it.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Yep. The proof is in the pudding. So you telling me all this, what you're doing, I don't see it manifesting itself. Because I'm a firm believer, Gail, that if you work, I don't care what it is. If you work at something, you will get incrementally better. I'm not going to say you're going to be, if you finger pain, I'm not going to say you're going to be Picasso. I'm not going to say he's going to be, you know, Da Vinci or Michelangelo. I'm not saying that, but you will get better.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Yes. Even if it's marginally. This is what I said about Ben Simmons. I didn't see any improvement from Ben Simmons from his rookie year to his fifth year. And people are, oh, man, you don't know. I'm telling you, there's no possible way that this man can be putting in the time that he says he's putting in. And I don't see any improvement. You know what's so funny?
Starting point is 00:30:38 He is one of those rare cases, Unk. I've watched him three summers. I've watched him three summers. And what I'm watching is a superstar. basketball player. Right? Like I'm sitting here. He can shoot the ball.
Starting point is 00:30:55 He's coming down heel. Right? He's dominating these other superstars. They were scared of this man every summer because he's going to pick up full court. You know, in the summer you're trying to be out. He's picking up full court and he's coming at you. Debt perception is a real thing.
Starting point is 00:31:16 A lot of, a lot of shooters, a lot of guys that can't shoot is because they've been practicing in these small gyms. And then when they get to that arena, they can't eye-gouge that damn rim. So when he plays in the game, he don't shoot the ball because I don't think he knows that distance. I've watched this man as like, why don't you shoot the ball in the game? Right? Like your foot, the mechanics is great. And I think that rim, that bad, that, you know, in practice, there's,
Starting point is 00:31:53 There's that wall right there. Exactly. Yeah. It's open space in that arena. So I always made it a stance myself to the night before I'm going to get in that rim. I'm going to get in that if there was no hockey game. I'm going to get on the main court and get some shots up. You got to practice in that arena.
Starting point is 00:32:10 You can't practice in these small gyms and then get to the arena. Think your shot is that. And I think that, you know, there's a couple of things with that. And I think he just, when he gets to that game, I think he just freezes up. He's scared to make mistakes. Yeah, that's a lot of it because we saw that in the game seven against Atlanta when they had that lead. You see, the thing is, Gail, I can teach you to swim if you're not afraid of the water. See, I can't teach you to shoot if you're afraid to miss it.
Starting point is 00:32:41 See, it's not that he can't shoot. He's afraid to shoot. That's two different things. Not being able to swim and being afraid of the water are two different things. because you're afraid. Well, he was afraid. That's why he didn't shoot. That's why.
Starting point is 00:32:59 And I remember saying it. I said, and Doc, I remember me, Doc said, anybody that doesn't think that we're going to play, that we're going to take Ben Simmons out and we're not going to play him in the fourth quarter. They don't know basketball. I say, Doc, it's going to come in time. You're going to have no choice. I said because he's a liability.
Starting point is 00:33:14 I said because if the team is down by 10 and it's outside of two minutes, oh, I'm filing him every day. Every trip down the quarter, I'm going to file him. Y'all are not going to get that ball to Joel and B. And that's what Atlanta did and got back into the game every single time. And then when it came time, he had a dunk and he passed it. When the mental, when you're mentally not comfortable, it shows at the worst time in games.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Yes. Right. I remember when, like when I came back on. of injury and my free throws wasn't on, right? Now, because my free throws is not where they're supposed to be, I'm scared to drive because you might get fired. I don't want to get hit, so I don't have to shoot that free throw, right? That's a thing, right?
Starting point is 00:34:09 Now I'm driving not to get foul, so I don't have to go to the free throw line. Right? So when you start looking at the game, once that player gets into his own mind, there's nothing the coach can do. There's nothing the opponent to do. He's already beating himself up. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Like there was times where when I was on my free throws, I talked to myself, cash money, baby, none but net. Cash money, baby. Like, I had to talk myself into everything I'm doing. Cash money buckets. Like, it's a thing that when you're on that court, you miss 10 straight shots.
Starting point is 00:34:46 If you're not self-confident, you're going to miss another 10. That's when you start wide open lay up, you miss it, or you got to lay up and you finally get your point, your teammate, gold tinted, everything starts going wrong. Right? If you throw it, go in,
Starting point is 00:35:01 somebody, free throw a violation, right? Everything just starts going wrong and it just keeps you down that spiral. And you just got to be, you've got to be self-aware to get yourself out of it. And I don't think, I think, I think it was at that moment. I agree. I think the number one thing, this is what I tell a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:35:19 And whether it's sports or life, don't you become an opponent? Because a lot of times we can become our own opponent. And that's even more lethal than the opponent for the opposing team. It's us. We create an opponent that we cannot be in that self. And so what Ben has done, he's created an opponent that he cannot beat. And until he defeats that opponent, here we are. And the sad part is, I've always said it like if I was the coach,
Starting point is 00:35:57 and I know this player is struggling, I know this player will sacrifice his scoring for the betterment of the team. Right. And as a coach, I'm like, I'm sorry, but F these teams, let's them. Do you, right? I need you to go out there and please try to give me 50. I want to see it. We got to meet me and the rest of the crew got to bet. Go out there.
Starting point is 00:36:25 We're not trying to win this game. I'll wait until we got damn play, uh, we'll go play goddamn Detroit. Everyone benched. Ben, you got to win this game by your goddamn self. I, because I got to see, I got to let him tap into it so he can see it. so he can see it for himself. Sometimes you've got to just see what you can do to really believe.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Because there's no way that you're going to the game. Think about this shit. You're playing 38 minutes and you took six shots. Yeah. That means you are purposely not even looking to score. You just out there, you like the, you like the motherfucking, the playing in the club, huh? You're just in the club.
Starting point is 00:37:12 You're just there. You know different than that thing back there. You just sit. You're just out there, man. Yeah. No, especially he's the point guard, and I'm playing that many minutes. Oh, I'm getting me 12 or 14 a night.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Facts. Shots. Hey, I hate it shots. Guaranteed shots. Hey, like you said, the club, it's the club. Shot, shot, shot, shot, shot, shot. Because I'm getting the buck.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I'm getting the buggy. And who's going to tell you, no, when you're so gift, like, I'm pretty sure and be James Harden no not James Hardin but Kyrie
Starting point is 00:37:51 yeah Katie I know those guys was so pissed off at him yeah of course because I get to watch you every day in practice homeboy yes
Starting point is 00:38:03 I get to see your ability in real time and then you come out here and give me this bull that's the most frustrating thing when you know what your teammates is capable of, and then they come into the
Starting point is 00:38:16 lights and... And you've seen it. You've seen it. You've seen it. Yeah, we've all... I mean, I've had teammates. Catch a ball. I mean, high point the ball in practice, catch the ball in a crowd. I'm talking about one hand. They can do it all. And as soon as you put them in the game,
Starting point is 00:38:31 ball hit them in the face mask. I mean, ball hit them right between the... And, like, I mean, the ball that hit them and on the ground by the time they bring their hands together. We've all seen guys like that. Like, bro. What happened to that guy that was in practice on Wizards and Thursday and Friday? How do you go from that?
Starting point is 00:38:48 You don't drop anything to you can't catch anything? Because he's comfortable with us, not the opponent. Oh. They're comfortable with us, not the opponent. The opponent is the person that they know and not knowing, scares the shit out of some people. We see that a lot in camp, guys making plays against people that you know. and that's what you, a lot of times you hear football players say, man,
Starting point is 00:39:13 I just want to go out there against somebody that I don't know that doesn't have on my uniform. I just want to hit somebody because you want to see what these young kids can do against somebody that they don't know. Yes. Somebody that's not going to put that thump on them and that's not going to put them on the ground. That guy's trying to make the roster just like you are. Yep. So I want to see.
Starting point is 00:39:34 I want to see. The Suns beat the Rockets, 129, 113. KD has a monster night. He had 27 points, 16 assists, 10 rebounds. KD denied a report that he's frustrated with the sons. Walsh says somebody else feels that I'm frustrated, and it turned to me being mentally checked out. This is crazy.
Starting point is 00:39:54 These people can flat out lie on my name, make it up, and you people will believe it. But when my teammates and coaches speak on how I am as a teammate, you ignore it, L-O-L. So we'll get to that. we'll get we'll get the kd comments in a second let's talk about the game what did you like what did you like about what you saw tonight from the sons and what's been what happened tonight that's been different than the other nights
Starting point is 00:40:20 see with the sons they have a great starting five right I mean listen we not we can't give you no praise you're playing Houston right I mean you know proven but um you know with we know who's coming to play Kevin Durant Booker right right everything on a nightly basis like you You know, that is the core of that team. It's trying to find that six, seven, eighth guy who can give you consistent play. And that's the key with a lot of these teams. They haven't really dialed in that their roster.
Starting point is 00:40:59 They don't know what they're looking for or what they want. And it's bringing a lot of confusion with team chemistry in the first place. but the starting five themselves, oh, they balling. The starting five for sons, they got their stuff intact. Right? They're having about,
Starting point is 00:41:18 they're having us about 95 points as a starting unit. Okay. That is impressive. Right? But when you're talking about, what, 160 points, that means you only need
Starting point is 00:41:29 about 20 off the bench? Yeah, but the thing is, I'm looking at tonight. KD had to play 41 minutes. Eric Gordon played 39 minutes Book played 36 minutes against Houston Who else they got on that goddamn
Starting point is 00:41:47 Teague? They're going to trade them all for people Who else they got? You're going to put Bobo in? You're going to put a Wakasambi, whatever it's You're going to want Tanabi. Come on.
Starting point is 00:41:58 Allbo did get two minutes. Wantedonabee got two minutes. But then they don't have to be anyone on the business. So you have to play 41 minutes. Yeah. their starters played a boatload of minutes tonight. The only started that didn't play major minutes is Nerkich, and he played 14 minutes.
Starting point is 00:42:16 But everybody else, Goran was at 39, KD was at 41, Grayson Allen was at 33, and Book was at 36. Lesson, the Rockets, a young, young team. I think they're still the youngest team. I mean, they're really, really young. What? I like Udoca. that's the way it's say, I was saying, Udoca is Udoca.
Starting point is 00:42:42 I made I doca. Okay. What, what, what is what I, I love Sungoon. Yeah, Sungoon has been. Sungoon and who, who, what, what are the Rockets need? How do the Rockets, they're so, they're so, they have a whole bunch of pieces, right? It's like, it's like having a whole bunch of clothes, but no outfit, right? Right.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Figure out how to put it together. And, you know, with signing Dylan Brooks and signing Van Fleet, you kind of got some experience with them. But your focal point where your future is going to be Jalen Green, Sun Goon, and Jabari Smith. He ain't giving me enough right now. No, no, no, no. I agree. I agree. I agree. And I don't know if, you know, I don't know if Sangoon is taking away from him, but the way Sangoon passes it, he should be eaten. he should be eating, you know, in that position. And it should open up the court.
Starting point is 00:43:44 But, you know, right now, I think they're trying to figure out what guys to keep, what guys they can page it who to play. Like some of these teams, you know, playing 11 man, 10 man deep. Some of y'all don't got teams like that. Right. Y'all don't got them type of rosters to be subbing in the 10th, man. Right. Y'all should get your ass whoop putting in.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Number 10. Yeah. I mean, you look at this. I mean, they got guys that played Jake Laundale for the Rockets played 12 minutes. A. Man, Thompson, played 17. Whitmore played 18. Holiday played 24. Eason played 25.
Starting point is 00:44:28 I mean, they got to, and plus, that's not even the starters. Those are the guys that came off the bench. Yeah. I mean, nobody played more than 29 minutes. That was Van Fleet and San Francisco. And this is the problem with teams like this. When you got a young team, where's the days where, like Alan Iverson, right?
Starting point is 00:44:48 He averaged 41 minutes for his career. You guys have all the technology now. You got all the medicine. And you're telling me you're playing less. They are. Right? Where's my guys where I can, like Jalen Green, all my young guys, y'all need to play 42, 43 minutes.
Starting point is 00:45:09 You need to get these games. Gil, that's the problem. They got too much technology. They got too much minutes, minutes and medicine. Because if you look at it, baseball used to have four-man rotations and three-man rotations.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Now you got five-man rotations, and you got set-up men, and you got clothes. You see, we know too much. Yeah. And that's the problem. Well, hell, it didn't tax the other guys. They didn't tax Steve Cartons.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Elbow. Yeah. Gibson, Denny McLean. Guys used to throw, I mean, the likelihood of us ever see, I mean, what's the likelihood of us consistently seeing 300 strikeouts? A guy's pitching 300 innings or 250. I mean, it's not, it's not, guys go five, six inning. That's it. Turn it over, turn it over to the middle of the bullpen.
Starting point is 00:46:03 We got middle relief. You got set up. You got somebody to close it out. And so I think that's with basketball. I mean, hell, we'll play. Will played 48 and a half minutes for the entire season. Now, mind you, there's only 48 minutes in the game. So he played, I mean, think about what, look at Wilton numbers.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Look, and guys played, like you said, major, major minutes, 40 minutes. I mean, Jordan, I mean, there were a couple of years. I mean, early in LeBron career, LeBron played four. Had a season he played 41, 42 minutes. I know. That was common. I don't think the guy's not playing like that anymore. You know what I think it is?
Starting point is 00:46:40 it would make sense from a financial standpoint or as an owner, right? Where I have someone like a Jalen Green, right? Instead of him playing 43, 44 minutes, I play him 32, 33, right? Instead of having him for 10 years, I got him for 16 years of greatness now. So I think with the time restriction, I think it's making their careers a little bit longer. the asset longer. I think that's what it seems like is going on, that they're taking away the minutes to stretch the career out.
Starting point is 00:47:20 Okay. You know, but that's something that, you know, we have to sit there and ask, why isn't he playing 40 minutes? And saving 10 minutes a game adds to your years. Right. Right. You know, but I'm a focus coach.
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Starting point is 00:50:08 on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's address what KD deny report that he's frustrated. Wode says somebody else feels that I'm frustrated and it turned into me being mentally checked out. That is crazy. These people can plan out loud on my name and make it up and you people will believe it. But when my teammates and coaches speak on how I am as a teammate, you ignore it. L.O.L. Gil.
Starting point is 00:50:37 KD, look at your history. People were reporting that you were unhappy in OKC. You denied that. you book it out of town. People say there were some grumblings about you were feeling some type of way that you weren't being looked at and thought of like Clay, Stephan, and Draymond. You booked it and later came out. You was never going to be accepted.
Starting point is 00:51:02 There was reports that KD might ask for a trade and he was unhappy in Brooklyn in the direction. And here you are in Phoenix. So God forbid us from believing what they say. when everything that has ever been said about you for the most part has turned out to be true. I think the only issue he probably has an issue with is saying he checked out. Right. Yeah. Like if I'm him and I'm reading that, what do you mean check out?
Starting point is 00:51:33 I'm averaging 30 a night. I'm giving them all. I'm kind of work day in and day out, right? Katie is a student of the game. Okay. Meaning he don't have, he don't have life outside of basketball. all he does, as y'all can see, you tweet something, he's on it. Right?
Starting point is 00:51:53 So you tweet right. If I de him at right now, within three minutes, he's going to look at it. Right? So he's in tune with everything that's going on. He's watching games. He's probably watching this show, right? Is that a good or a bad thing? Good thing.
Starting point is 00:52:08 The best players, they're in tune with everything that's going on. And sometimes that in tune is what frustrates you because the rest of your teammates is not in tune with you. So expressing frustration versus being frustrated. It's two different things. I can be mad at the moment in time, but these are my guys.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Right. Right. Like I'm upset that they're not getting it done. They're not working hard. They're not getting back on D. All of that. Like when books said, oh, you're going to turn the ball over
Starting point is 00:52:40 and not get back on D? Right. I'm frustrated now, but I'm not frustrated with who the person is. Okay. Right? And sometimes, you know, this guy might play hard, but I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated at his work ethic, but he performs well.
Starting point is 00:52:55 You got two different type of elements that goes on on a team. So I don't think he's frustrated to the point where he wants to trade. He's probably frustrated with the circumstances where him and book that he requested. Yeah, you requested, but the thing about it is, you're worse than you were last year. And that's the frustrating part. But let me ask you a question. what are they going to trade? They traded all the assets to get him.
Starting point is 00:53:21 So what are they going to, what are they going to, the old saying is what you want me to get stuff with? Ass and mouth. Yeah. So what, what are we going to do to get him? Gil, we gave up everything. We gave up our entire future to get Kevin the rent. So what are we going to trade?
Starting point is 00:53:36 Books are don't Chevy's? What are we going to give up? I think the more of the frustration, like if I'm, if I'm him, what I'm going to be frustrated? is just where we are as a team, right? Right? We were this close last year. This close, right?
Starting point is 00:53:59 And we made a trade for Beal. The pieces we made for Beal were pieces that helped. Well, if Beal's not in, those pieces that help are not here. So technically were worse than we were last year. So I think at this point in time, he's like, man, it's December, it's about to be January. Bill, we need Bill to come back so we can just prove how good we are. And sometimes when you're undermanned and you're going out there and everyone's judging you,
Starting point is 00:54:23 like, yeah, the sons, they look weak this year. And you're like, man, we don't have all our pieces to be great right now. And that's a frustrating part where, you know, that big key is Bill, who's going to be averaging 20 when he gets healthy. Right. But, you know, sometimes the mistake that people can make is that, okay, he average, he wants average 30. KD. No, can give us 30.
Starting point is 00:54:46 he's led to league in scoring four times and we know what book is where we just put all this together just because you put a whole bunch of nice stuff look I like ice cream I like gravy and chicken I just don't like it all together and just because you got three guys
Starting point is 00:55:01 that can average 30 that doesn't mean it's going to work somebody has to be willing to sacrifice now look I understand that book you're playing in an unnatural position he's not a point he's a two but he has to play because
Starting point is 00:55:15 they had to give up Chris Paul And I understand that Bradley Bill has been hurt. Kevin Durant is whatever you need. He doesn't really need the ball. He can get his own. He can play with his back to the basket. He got the hands he pull up. He got the three-point shot.
Starting point is 00:55:29 You're filing. And he's going to the free throw line. He's going to knock 90% of those down. But at some point, time, Gil, you've got to play some defense. And the question is when they get to the playoffs and if they get down by, let's say, five points, can they get stopped when they absolutely have to have one? And that's going to be the question when we get there, right? We don't need to play defense the whole game.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Just if we're in that time and we need to make that guaranteed stop, can we do it? Are we capable of doing it? And that's going to be something that when the playoffs come, they're going to have to prove. Those three guys are perfect for each other because they can all do the same thing, which means if I'm a catch-and-shoe guy and you're a drummer penetration guy, you can post up. We don't affect each other's realm because we all play in different realms. All three can play ISO. All three can flare, back door, post up, right?
Starting point is 00:56:24 So you got three guys that can move around versus if you had someone like Shaq, right, and Tim Duncan on the same court. That's conflict. They both want the right block, right? They're going to both fight for the right block. and none of them are dominant on the left side. Right. Now you got a confliction, and that's what happens with teams.
Starting point is 00:56:50 So with these three, it's a great puzzle, right? They just got to put them all on the court together and be healthy for 20-20-something games. But did they factor in over the last several years of Bill's health? Did anybody factor that in? He's been hurt. Gil, he's been hurt. Well, listen.
Starting point is 00:57:12 He's substantial time. most medical staffs are cocky. They think, well, y'all are, y'all not us. You know, we can get them healthy. And it's that weird thing. I don't know if you went through it on, but I did. When you get injured, you do all this training to get back two games later, back injured. He started getting these random knickknacks for no reason.
Starting point is 00:57:37 And that's where Bill is. And I say, that's where he got to cheat. He got to cleanse, cleanse his. I don't know why he got to cleanse his house. because he just got there. But you got to cleanse something, God damn. There's something in your life that's, that's a negative hold onto your chi. And you got to cleanse it.
Starting point is 00:57:55 You got to sit there with it. They just start removing people. I don't get fucking if it's the dog, Unk. Get rid of the dog. If you think the dog is, like you got to really like reset, right? Because, you know, these knick-knacks, it just keeps lingering, lingering, lingering, and he comes back. Oh, he hurt his shoulder.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Come back, hurt his toe. Like, there's a reason this happens. You're off the line. Yeah, but you know when you start limping into the season and you get Nick during the season, it's hard to get healthy because you come, and that's what I tell, guys. How am I supposed to, normally when an average person is injured,
Starting point is 00:58:29 they say take time off. Yeah. When you're a professional athlete, you don't get no time off. They try to rehab to get you back on the field. Yeah. As a normal civilian, you're trying to rehab to go back to your normal life. But when you're a professional athlete, you're playing against the top in the world. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:51 And ain't no average. It ain't no normal life. No. The worst thing an athlete has against him is his ego. When we're injured, we don't come back to prove we're healthy. We come back to prove we're injured. Right. You know, I hope they see me limping and giving it my awe.
Starting point is 00:59:11 I can go out there and play 50%. I can go out there and play 80% while I'm sitting there and getting booed, right? Oh, he's washed, he's this. And I'm trying to, I'm coming back to prove to you that this was serious versus just getting healthy. And that is our issue, right? We're watching the game. I don't care if it's a month or two weeks. We watch the game pass us by.
Starting point is 00:59:33 We watch, you know, if I'm a point guard, I watch this guy scored 30. This guy, he's ranked in front of me. Now I'm speeding up my process because I want to get, I want to get. get my spot back. So I'm limping out here, knee swollen. I don't supposed to be playing. They said 10 to 12 weeks. I'm back 6 to 8 weeks.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Yeah, I'm fine. Knowing damn well, I can't be out here. Right. Fine ain't good enough. No. Because you got to be at the level you were before you got injured. That's what makes you great. Yep.
Starting point is 01:00:01 I mean, I don't care. Look, a race car with a flat tire ain't good. I don't care how many horsepower it got. Because it's not going to perform like it did if it had four perfect find inflated tires. Yep. So if you come back and you're nick in the slightest, you become very average.
Starting point is 01:00:19 And average gets eaten. Eat in professional sports. That's just the way it is. That's just the way it is. Uncourtier Jay asked one simple question, Uncangale, when or if will KD ever be content? I think it's happy asking for too much at this. I think happy is asking too much at this point. I look up and I'm expecting this man every seven,
Starting point is 01:00:38 eight months act for a trade. I don't know. I mean, look, I understand, you know, I don't think I can win a championship in OKC. He went to the perfect situation called a lot of criticism. And I don't think people were upset. I think people were more upset
Starting point is 01:00:53 that you joined that team, the team that knocked you out when you had them down 3-1. And you say, well, they, okay, you go there. You win two championships, your final MVP. You're probably one of one-a-third had your key leads not gone out. And then you move on.
Starting point is 01:01:09 You want to go to Brooklyn, you recruit Kyrie or Kyrie recruited you, and you end up in Brooklyn. And you're not happy there. And for whatever reason, you wanted to move on. And I'm like, bro, I mean, what, I mean, what is, if I were to ask you, because you played this sport and you kind of know him somewhat, you kind of been, maybe you've been around him. What's he looking for? He's looking to play basketball. It seems simple, right? Where when you're talking about a guy who, I mean, let me see,
Starting point is 01:01:47 how many scoring titles? Katie got four. Yeah, right? And when people ask why he left, right? When you're talking about four scoring titles, you had probably about with 10 all-NBAs, you had an MVP, you had all-star MVPs, right? eight-time all-star two golds.
Starting point is 01:02:08 When you're a free agent, the only thing that you don't have on your resume was a chip in the finals MVP, right? You get those two out of the way. In his mind, or just in my mind, what am I proven here? The only thing I'm proven now is get more, right? Do I need four rings?
Starting point is 01:02:32 Like, am I the greatest small Ford ever? Am I the second greatest small Ford ever? Like, am I one of the top five ever? Like, right? I train. I work out. I train. I go to sleep basketball.
Starting point is 01:02:47 Right? I'm out there, you know, putting my heart into it. As I think as players, we can sleep great at night knowing that we give it our all. And whatever comes with it comes with it. But I don't really think he's looking for something. I just think he wants to play high level basketball. Most, most players do. great ones, right?
Starting point is 01:03:09 If they're in position to win chips, they're going to go for it. Other than that, they just want to go out there and play hard and everybody with them going out there and playing hard. Gil, you know going to Golden State heard him more than it helped him. I understand he got the chips. But unless he gets one without Steph Curry, you already know how this story's going to be written.
Starting point is 01:03:34 You know that. And unfortunately, I think Katie knows that. Fair or unfair, right or wrong. But it is what it is. Okay, but when we think of it like that, right, it's not like he can go to a team and he is by himself and try to win a championship. Right, but he recruited Kyrie.
Starting point is 01:03:56 He had James Hart. Yeah, so no matter where he goes in this lead today, there has to be a team up. So when he do win, they're going to say, well, you got Bill over there. You got Bill. No, no. No, I think the thing is with Steph.
Starting point is 01:04:11 I mean, you join a two-time, you join a unanimous MVP. And Steph Curry was already at that point in time the greatest shooter we had ever seen. And so that system, and I get it. Okay, I just want to get y'all off my back. Let me go ahead and get these titles. I get these titles. I'll calm it down. No, people looking at you like, bro, there were 29 other teams that you could have joined.
Starting point is 01:04:35 28 because you had left OKC. There's 28 other teams. And you mean to tell me you go join the team that had just won 73 games and just lost in a game seven in the NBA finals. That was the only team you can find. Okay. He's like, look, I'm a free agent. I'm a free agent. And as a free agent, I can go wherever I want to go.
Starting point is 01:04:54 Fine. For whatever reason, be it he had grown bored or winning. I mean, you say you just want to play high level basketball. Can you play any high level than the Golden State Warriors and going and being three NBA, finals, you went to, probably would have won a third had he not gotten injured. So where are you going to go and play high level than that? So who are you going to go play with other than LeBron or at that time, LeBron and LeBron and Cady and Stepp were thought over as the best players in the NBA
Starting point is 01:05:25 with Harden falling up under that? So now, who are you going to go play with? Joel and B.? Nicola Yolich? Where can he go now? I don't know where he can go. I don't know how he outruns because he had four years. The first year, we're going to disregard that.
Starting point is 01:05:43 He was rehabbing. But he had three years and he didn't come close. But it's not because of him, right? You know, the stuff that went down in Brooklyn, he was there. He did his thing, right? But we give him credit, but we give him credit for the Golden State. But that's what I'm saying? We can't say if he loses, it's not because of him.
Starting point is 01:06:02 But when Golden State won the title, it was because of him. But it was because of him. Why can't he win on his own? Why can't he win other than Golden State? I think that's the question, Gil. People want to know. If it was him in Golden State, why can't he do replicate what,
Starting point is 01:06:21 why can he take what he learned and take it somewhere else? Because he was a single player coming to a team atmosphere. He was plug and play. Now he has to build a team around him where he can just adjust to one person to adjust. now when he tried to create a team, everyone has to adjust to everything. We can talk about
Starting point is 01:06:44 how Kevin Durant going to Golden State was a bad thing. It was the best thing that the league has ever seen and they do not want to acknowledge it. Since Magic and Bird, what was the best duo going against each other
Starting point is 01:07:00 in the championship? LeBron versus KD. Yeah. But LeBron versus KD. Not LeBron versus Katie, Steph, Dreybaud, Clay. The best small forwards in the game. And I don't know why this wasn't looked at like two Titans. The best player in the world versus the second best player in the world, right? One called himself, I'm the best score in the world versus the best player.
Starting point is 01:07:24 You had two Titans playing against each other. And we spent our time talking about, we spent our time talking about Katie leaving, and not realizing what we was witnessing. Oh, I ain't got no problem with him leaving. No, but we was witnessing that Kevin Durant and, like, when we all talk about Kobe, the one thing that we didn't get to see is Kobe and LeBron and the championship again.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Correct. We got to see Kevin Durant and LeBron go face to face. Right, we got the magic and bird. But we're never going to acknowledge this because we was upset that he took the easy way out. Right. And I thought, but I think the thing is when we look, at Magic and Bird, Magic had Corrine, Bird had McHale, he had Worthy, he had Parrish,
Starting point is 01:08:12 they had Byron Scott, they had DJ. Or, you know, so it was like, okay, you got four Hall of Famous? We got four Hall of Famous. Okay, you got a coach that's going to the hall? We got one that's going to the hall. So I think everybody looked at it as is an even matchup. I don't think anybody thought that the way that Cleveland, even though it was Kyrie and LeBron,
Starting point is 01:08:37 was going to be able to beat Golden State with Stell, Clay, KD, and Drayman. That wasn't going to happen. No, I thought, and I think that's what the, you know, when KD and LeBron locked horns and Miami and OKC, you're like, okay, you know, okay, Sergei Bacher and Chris Bosch, we got Russ, D-Way, and now KD and LeBron and they had to guard each other
Starting point is 01:09:04 They had to guard each. But that was a great matchup But you know, it was young. It was young versus a veteran and then But when that Golden State Cleveland Cavaliers Series got it because you know It was it was going to be between those two I wish after they won it
Starting point is 01:09:22 After Cleveland won it And Golden State got Kevin Durant I thought Cleveland should have made a move It don't matter. You should have known you was going to be outgunned. Who are you going to give up? First of all, who wanted to come to Cleveland? That was a problem why LeBron got up out of there.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Oh, no, that's facts. But at this point, look, like, J.R. Smith was my, what? He was my Clay Thompson. You know, Clay is averaging 21. Yes. J.R. Smith averaging 13. Yeah, for sure. That's that point.
Starting point is 01:09:56 Like, you know what I mean? So it was really, it was really out. match. So from there, they should have been in tune with the game and said, okay, we might need to upgrade a little bit more. We're not good enough to try to go back to back. Right. First name, last name said, Gil was a great addition.
Starting point is 01:10:12 Shanna, do you remember when you said Katie and Kyrie will potentially play together when they were seen at the All-Star game talking? Katie last out saying it was some BS. They joined. They joined. I just say it. I remember I said, look, and I tried, and I played him a compliment. I said, KD joining Golden State was like Johnny Gill joining New Edition.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Johnny Gill could out-sing them all. We know the outstanding career Bobby Brown had. We know what Ralph Transvant did. We knew what Bell, Bill DeVote ended up doing once they broke up. But none of them singularly could out singy singy John McGill. And the reason why Johnny Gill wasn't accepted, he didn't grow up in Boston and Roxbury. Yeah, facts. KD.
Starting point is 01:10:57 was never going to be, and I'm not saying they didn't like him, but Steph, Clay, Draymond came there, they was birth, they grew up there. Although KD was KD, it wasn't going to be
Starting point is 01:11:13 accepted. He called me, oh, this, you don't know what you're talking about. That's an ignorant thing to say. Lady, he gets on a podcast, like I was never going to be accepted like KD and Steph because they well, I said, I said that.
Starting point is 01:11:30 But you know, we delusional sometimes. You know what I mean? Come on. Just like in our relationship. Hey, our boys are the first one to tell us, hey, your girl cheating on you. Oh, no, she never died. She ain't like that. She ain't like that. Right.
Starting point is 01:11:44 She's just like that. Yes. And that's the same thing. Like, we don't want to believe, right, that it is this. And we have to find out the hard way. He had to find out on that court when he had to find out on that court. he's asking for the ball. He had to sit there and go back and back and forth for Draymond Green and Draymond Green had to let him know. We was here before you. We don't
Starting point is 01:12:06 need you. That hurt. It did. Oh, we wouldn't finish that season. Oh, I don't know how I can come to work knowing that you really believe that deep down inside. Why am I? Of course. Three people will tell you the truth, Gil, drunk, kids, and angry people. They're going to tell you the truth. Now, see, they'll blame it on, I just said thing out of anger. Well, I was drunk. I didn't know what I was talking about. And kids, you know, they say kids say the darnest thing.
Starting point is 01:12:35 So I got a way to brush off either one of those. But here's the thing. And I'm going to say something. And tell me what you think. If you notice, Draymond Green's behavior is always when he thinks someone is about to replace him as a member of the big three. When KD came, it's about to be KD, Steph, and Clay. He says what he says.
Starting point is 01:12:56 Jordan Poole. All of a sudden it's about to be Jordan Poo, Stefan Clay. He does what he does. Now, it's going to be very, very interesting to see how they handle a comminga. Because does that rough for Drey? Because Dremont, like, I'm a member of the Big Three.
Starting point is 01:13:15 And nothing's going to upset that. Because that's just, look, I could be totally wrong. But there's something to be said for Dremont and the way Dremont is behaved. with KD with Jordan Poole. Now I don't know if anything I have not heard anything about Kaminga, but I did hear what Kaminga
Starting point is 01:13:34 said because it's hard to kind of play my game because I got to make sure the OGs get the ball. So how do I do what I need to do to show what I can do and still, you know, show deference to the OGs? So that's going to be very interesting moving forward. So tell me what you think. You know, you know, there might be a little territorial
Starting point is 01:13:52 you know, thing going on with Dremont. Right. And, you know, the one thing you don't want to do is you don't want to be forgotten. Right. And, you know, sometimes I think, you know, it seems like the more his game is dwindling down, the more he's acting out. Yes. He knows his time is coming and he's going to be put on that bench. And that's when all the people who don't like him are going to be able to laugh. Right. I think he's ready for that laughter. The four rings, the four rings don't help that ego at that moment in time. They don't win. I don't believe they win any of those titles without Draymond.
Starting point is 01:14:30 No. But being benched, them four reeds don't, they don't mean nothing anymore. I can't see them on your finger when you're on the bench. You tell me about it, but you can put them on it at the conference where you at the podium. But right at that point in time, and now you give everybody because everybody, oh, Draymond is the king of the triple single. And they're saying all these things, I think it's a phenomenal player. I do. I mean, I think his physicality.
Starting point is 01:14:56 Do I think he goes over the line? Absolutely. Do I think he's done some things that he didn't need to do? Absolutely. But the problem is that they didn't check it before. I can't wait to my dog. It's two years old before I correct him about potting in the house. And then all of a sudden he pottered in the house again.
Starting point is 01:15:13 I'm like, what are you doing? You didn't correct him when he was a puppy. You let Draymond get out of control. And so now when you don't win, you accepted it when you were winning. You accepted Draymond's behavior when you was winning. And I'm a firm believer, as Mike Shanahan had told me in 1995, you never accept anything in a win. You wouldn't have a loss.
Starting point is 01:15:35 So if Draymond's behavior is unacceptable when you're losing, it should have been unacceptable when you're winning. Because when they say winning masks a lot, it does. It masks the undercurrent of what was going on in Golden State that was just in the moment. things don't go the way that they think it should. Draymond pops his head up out the water. Oh yeah, that's a thing. It's going to be real interesting because he was the vocal point.
Starting point is 01:16:08 He was the heartbeat. And when they decide to say, all right, Camingo, this is your spot? Is the heartbeat going to stop beating? I think this is one of those things where for the betterment of the team, he's going to have to pull a Russ, and he's going to have to look around and say,
Starting point is 01:16:29 all right, I did all I can do. It's time for me to take a backseat and give all my energy to Kaminga, and then I can come and back. He's going to have to pull a UD, right? As long as he wants his name called at the beginning of the game, Draymond Green,
Starting point is 01:16:49 the team dies. Because he don't have it like he used to. He's not as fast, strong, right? He's still got the smart. The IQ level is very, very, very high, right? But he's going to have to sacrifice and realize the big three is falling off. Yeah. And you're going to have any here.
Starting point is 01:17:13 He really no big, too, because Clay is not the same. Clay can get in Spurs, but Clay ended up going to the bench in the fourth quarter. They'd never be, I mean, and look, as we start to age, and Clay had two devastating injuries for professional, I believe. He had an Achilles and an ACL. And he had him in his 30s and commend him for coming back and playing at the level, but he's not the same step. I mean, excuse me, the same Clay.
Starting point is 01:17:42 Draymond is starting to get older. He's not the same. He doesn't move the same. But the behavior, see, Draymond needs to understand. they'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Yeah. And they tolerated this behavior because they couldn't replace you.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Now, at some point in time, even though you were the heartbeat and you mean so much to this team, 7.5 rebounds and 2 or 3 or 4 assists ain't going to cut it. Yeah, I don't know how, I don't know how, I don't know how you, it's a, it's, I feel bad for, um,
Starting point is 01:18:18 Steve Kerr because you don't want to bench him because Kaminga hasn't taken this spot. Correct. But with Kaminga on the floor, he's just a different breed of a guy. Right. He gives you something that you guys didn't have. Right.
Starting point is 01:18:33 Right. A guy who has bounced. At the little, at the yanky. Right? He got his own one-on-one mood. He can create his own shot. He's very aggressive.
Starting point is 01:18:43 Still, which is surprising. I mean, you've been there for a couple years, you would think he would have lost his aggression, but he still has to be. He has the confidence that he can't be stopped. Right. You need that to play out. That is going to be a tough decision for Steve Kerr to say,
Starting point is 01:19:01 Dreman, you're starting. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Right? I'm going to be like, yo, Dre, you're going to have to come off with the bench. I want to see. He's been playing very well since you've been on the bench. You know, let's give me a couple more games.
Starting point is 01:19:15 You know what, Gil, the problem with Golden State. is that a lot of these problems that Andrew Wiggins isn't playing well, at the same time Clay Thompson isn't playing well, at the same time Draymond Green is suspended. Yeah. So you kind of got like a little mini hurricane, a little many earthquake, and a little many tornado all together in one spot. And the problem is, and this is why being the third option feels amazing.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Because nobody's paying attention to you. No, no one is talking about. Wiggins playing horrible. And he'd be good and terrible. Yeah, and it's weird. Like when you're that third option, when you don't have no pressure on you, you get to go out there and be trash
Starting point is 01:20:02 without any pushback. Right? No one's going to write about you. No one cares. Right? So the fact that Draymond is being blamed for what's going on in Golden State, it kind of let us know how important
Starting point is 01:20:16 he was then to the winning. Yes. Yes, absolutely. And people that don't believe that it was important to women winning, is the fact that you don't really like Draymond or you don't really understand the importance of what he brought to that ball club. Sometimes you just can't measure everything by points, rebounds, and assists because he does a lot of the dirty work.
Starting point is 01:20:37 Everybody can't be the bank president. Somebody got to be the security guard. Somebody got to be the cashier. Somebody got to be the custodia. Somebody got to clean that place up at night. Yeah, he's top flight security all right. Arbenham calls out Cam Reddish and Jared Vanderbilt can't be confused with can't be confused
Starting point is 01:20:55 with the ball. Ham said I was just, I'm just not, I'm not, I just think not allowing it to be stacked to stagnate us. If they're trying to playoff, Cam got to step up, shooting with confidence, or eat up space on the drive. Collapse the defense once he touches the bank, drive find the open man.
Starting point is 01:21:14 Same thing for Vando. Ball hits him and he just can't hold it. Be confused. he called them out, not himself. You put them sorry motherfuckers in the game. Nobody told you to sub a dude who averages 1.5 and put him as a starter, right? That's your, like, when you're going to take responsibility for the lineups you put now? Like, you have the, the Lakers starting five, the way it was,
Starting point is 01:21:43 they were only averaging 82 points as a starting five, which is low. Right? You sub... Well, considered LeBron and AD average. 50. Yeah. So the rest of your team, the rest of your starters is only putting up. That is a low starting 5.
Starting point is 01:21:57 82 points is low. Now, you sub in Van and take out Russ, which pushes you down to 68 points a game. Just to show you how bad that is, the worst team in the NBA to Detroit Pistons, they're average in 69. They're average in 69. They're averaging 73 points as a starting 5. So the Detroit Pistons starting 5 is better than the Lakers starting 5 right now. And point production.
Starting point is 01:22:31 What defense are you looking for? Who? Ain't nobody. You need to be in order for them to justify the defensive like, oh, they're supposed to be defensive guys. They need to be Dennis Johnson. and they need to be Alvin Robertson. They need to be Dennis Rodman of somebody,
Starting point is 01:22:51 somebody on the ball like that. But you cannot give me one point. Let's just say Vando gives us two, three. And Cam Reddy gives us, hey, come on, bro, that's not enough. 11 points, and we got guys, and you're playing 25 to 30 minutes, three and eight points is not enough. It's just not. You got three, got like, AD is a defensive player.
Starting point is 01:23:13 LeBron is a defensive player, but he's 39. I got enough defense to put all offense, right? I have guys who can block shots to put enough offense out there, right? This is crazy because their losses, they scored 94 points 101, 94, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 110, 11, 115. You're not, you can't score, right? You're not moving fast enough with the units you have. You know what this reminds me?
Starting point is 01:23:47 What he did right here reminds me of the 2000. It was a, is it the 2020, the 2000, the 2020, the 2020 Clippers team where they use, this is the deepest team. They got the deepest bench. Yeah. You got the deepest bench because your starting five was sorry as shit. Right. Starting five you had what? Because you break, yeah, because you bring, you bring it sweet, Lou and Treas and they, they play, they play, they play.
Starting point is 01:24:17 playing more minutes at reserves than you started. Yeah, you got 40 points coming off the bench with two players. Of course your bench is deep. So your bench was number one in the NBA and scoring. Your starting five was 25th. You're averaging 69 points because you got Zubach, Pat Bev, and Moe, who's averaging seven, eight, and five. You're not deep. You got four players, five.
Starting point is 01:24:41 You got four players. That's it. You're just trying to trick the line come off the bench. Yeah, you're trying to take two starters, put them off the bench. Oh, yeah, we got this deep team because you know in the NBA, it's hard to blow a team out in the first five, six minutes, right? So you know at the six minute mark, you can sub in your two guys and then get the rolling and let these guys get a little bit of minutes, right?
Starting point is 01:25:04 Oh, you did good, boys, not go sit down and let the real players get in. I hate, I hate lineups like that. Right? You're just trying to trick like your team is good, but knowing damn well, If a team got old, nine and old in the first one minute of the game, get your asses out. Tread, get your asses in. Right? And that happened a couple times.
Starting point is 01:25:26 But you have to have a balanced team and the fact that you have Rui Austin and Russell coming out of the bench. Like, oh, yeah, we got, you know, 40-some points coming up the bench. Yeah, you got 40-some coming off the bench, but you're starting five is only scoring 60 points. Right? You got LeBron James and 80 scoring 50. and you got the other three guys then putting in 10. Stop, stop these dumb ass lineups.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Yeah. Because, and here is the thing. And you tell me these guys, but they still can't stop dribble penetration. Guys are still getting past Vando. They're still getting past Cam. And they're kicking the ball to the corner for wide open threes.
Starting point is 01:26:02 So if you're supposed to be a defensive guy, if you're not going to get, if I'm not an offensive guy, and this is where I approached it. Again, when I play football, I've got to be more of an, asset in the passing game, then I am a liability in the run game. Yes.
Starting point is 01:26:18 So in other words, if you are a liable, you've got to be a tremendous asset in the defensive end if you're a liability on the offensive end, if you're a basketball player. And right now, you're a liability on both. So it's basically you're becoming unplayable because I don't know how you play. Guy's going to give me two points and then he's letting guys get past him and I got to slide AD and the guy's passing the ball and the guy's laying it up or at some help got to come and he's kicking it to the corner. Bro, what are you doing?
Starting point is 01:26:48 I never understood that. And it's weird because I would love to ask a defensive coach why they put these lineups in. I'm an offensive player. I bred offense, right? The worst player that I wanted to see was someone like me that I had to guard. You're right.
Starting point is 01:27:11 I did not want to face me. Patrick Beverly's? Whoa! Oh, it's trouble for you, home boy, because you're only, you're here to play defense, not often,
Starting point is 01:27:22 so I'm resting half the time. I'm giving you my all. That means it's like boxing, right? I get to punch you, but you got your hands tied. I get to punch on you while your hands tie.
Starting point is 01:27:36 The fact that you, you're going to take three, four shots a game, why am I paying attention to you? That is the easiest night for me, because there's, There's no way you're going to stop me from taking 20, 30 shots. But I don't have to give you no effort on the defense.
Starting point is 01:27:51 I get to say, and the worst player I wanted to play was someone scoring like me because he's embarrassing me now. Right. Right. So if I'm playing against the Lakers and I'm Trey Young, hell yeah, I want to play against Cam all day. You ain't embarrassing me. You ain't doing nothing.
Starting point is 01:28:11 You just get to play defense all day. And I don't understand why they put these lineups out there because you're you're helping the offensive team because you're handicapping yourself. You're playing three on five on offense or two on five on offense. Right. And you're not good enough. The rules aren't made. My offense of book is a hundred times better than any rules you can put in. And that's the difference in today's game.
Starting point is 01:28:41 back then it was 60-40 defense to offense right you know you dribbled a certain way you only had a certain amount of move now the moves today I can I can hold it a little bit I can do either my career so now it's basically 90 to 10 wow there's no rule they can put in that hand checking all that dumb when people talk they ain't no hand checking that can stop these moves today and piquing progress that is that is that is trash all of it It was trashed when it was in. And you got so, I mean, guys can shoot the ball better and guys can handle the ball better. You got two or three guys on every team that can make you look stupid handling the ball. Everybody got that pool. Everybody got the hands.
Starting point is 01:29:29 Okay, I'm going to the A and one. I mean, how many guys we see that? Everybody doing that. I mean, guys are like, who the L for you? Where you get with that move from? So the likelihood of you bringing somebody, Oh, he's a defensive stopper. Oh, he goes, man, them guys are too good.
Starting point is 01:29:44 They're too skilled. It's, it's you, if I want to hunt a lion, I need a lion. A gazelle ain't going. He ain't going. He's lunched me. He goes, yeah, exactly. He's luncheon me. It's weird, right?
Starting point is 01:30:01 Delo said he wanted to be Derek White. We all laughed. Please be Derek White. God damn it, I beg you to be Derek White now. because Derek White didn't want to just be a liability. I'm just a defensive player. Right. That's the difference between Boston now, right?
Starting point is 01:30:20 You got, you know, you got the unicorn over there, which added extra offense, right? Yes. You would have thought that Derek White would be more of a defensive player because he don't need to score. He upped his scoring up. Yes, yes. And that's what the Lakers need.
Starting point is 01:30:38 DeLo, I need you to up your production. Not depressed. Right. If you put up and up, not. Because if you put pressure on the opposing team, I mean, maybe it takes some of that zap out of them. And they're not able to give you that work. Listen, when you're trying to score,
Starting point is 01:30:56 my one thing that I always went into games when, when I had to play against AI, when I had to play against Steve Francis, when I had to play against Marlberry, I'm coming at you first. I'm going to come at you so hard that it makes you not want to play offense thinking that if you don't shoot, I don't shoot. NBA players really think that's the thing. But if I don't shoot against him, he won't shoot against me.
Starting point is 01:31:27 Okay, that's your fault. And what I did, when we started off the games and I was playing against the high level guards, the Steve Nash's, I'm trying to give them buckets early to set the tone. I can't get Steve Nash come and pick me to death. If you look at my games with Steve Nash, I made him a score. Like when you look at our matchups against Steve Nash, he wasn't having 15 and 17 assists, 30, 40. Like, you're going to have to match me point for point. If you want to keep up, you're not going to be able to try to sit there and get your guys.
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Starting point is 01:34:18 to take some of that zap. Like my grandma's just say, okay, y'all stay out all night. You're going to church in the morning. Oh, yeah. You're not fit to lag back there. If they, hey, oh, uh-uh, I'm gonna get you bucket.
Starting point is 01:34:28 You go get this. You got to make them work. And that's not happening. So it's going to be very interesting to see what is starting line out look like tomorrow. The Laker players are reportedly frustrated with Darwin-Han's decision about starting lineup and their role.
Starting point is 01:34:42 Frustration with players' roles and fluctuating minutes. Uncertainty regarding their roles and inconsistency in playing time. The communication gap between coaching staff and players appears to be widening with players expressing confusion over the mixed messages they received. Reports say criticism has been directed at Ham's lineup choices and rotation, particularly perceived inconsistency and handling struggling players.
Starting point is 01:35:07 Some players like Austin Reeves, DeAngelo Rue Hachamor, reportedly faced short of leashes than when encountered difficulties, while other players, Tori and Prince, Cam Reddish, enjoy longer leashes, despite struggles on the court. We saw that. They had no problem putting Austin Reeves on the bench. Remember he's struggling to start the season? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:27 Well, we talked to Austin and, you know, we felt it would be best for him to come out the bench. Okay. What about them other guys? Yeah. But Ham was a defensive player, I think, right? I don't know. He was on the bench when I was playing.
Starting point is 01:35:40 He didn't get in the game. But most likely he was a defensive player, one of those guys that hustled it. that's his mindset. Yeah. Right? You got a little bit in you and you're looking forward on the court. Like these guys played a right way.
Starting point is 01:35:53 Well, it's not the right way if they're not winning, right? Of course, Austin Reeves, Rue and DiAngelo will be mad. They're your offense. So if they miss two or three shots, you put them on a bench. These guys don't even take three shots in their playing. Right?
Starting point is 01:36:07 So now you've got, now what ends up happening is you start looking at the guys as enemies instead of teammates. Yeah. You start putting the vision inside the locker room because they're getting minutes that they haven't earned. Right? He took three shots.
Starting point is 01:36:26 He did this and he plays 30 minutes. Now what does that do to someone like DeAngelo? Right. Oh, if I don't do nothing, if I don't shoot, if I don't make no mistakes, I play longer. Right? Because that's what he's doing with this guy.
Starting point is 01:36:38 Right. The fact that at this point in the season, you're still having fluctuation problems, let you know you don't know. know what's going on right now. You're still trying to find stuff and instead of building on that championship mid-season,
Starting point is 01:36:53 in-season, mid-season, whatever the season, beginning of the season, right? You're supposed to be building competent. That was supposed to boom, boom, boom, boom, and take up. Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:37:02 You have Rui and DeAngelo should be starting or Reeves. And Cam and Prince both shouldn't be started. No. Norvando. No, hell no. No, those three, two of those three should not be starting. I didn't even, I didn't even look at him as a starter.
Starting point is 01:37:25 That, that looks like a friend hookup, but, you lost a bet. He looked like you lost a bet, like, all right, you know, like, I put him in, right? Right. He's not, he shouldn't even be playing minutes right now. They weren't worn, they weren't earned, right? You can't just say, all right, we're going to go from averaging one and put me in. And I'm sitting there, I'm also, like, wait a minute, man. I'm averaging 15 points
Starting point is 01:37:49 A game 15 And you ain't even Solid Yeah you You ain't thinking about me as a Starter what's wrong with you That happens
Starting point is 01:37:55 Oh like you're getting minutes Think about it You're getting minutes That you didn't deserve And you think I'm cool with it No Because I'm watching There's not one time
Starting point is 01:38:04 That Jared Vanabelle A shot a shot outside And it doesn't too many That I actually thought It was going in Be I'm watching on television Or I'm actually sitting at the game Not one time
Starting point is 01:38:13 Does he shoot a shot And I'm like oh man That's good So what is it Even when he laid the ball, even when he, like, driving the ball, he's going to flip it up left hand. I'm like, that ain't going to you. What is this man doing on defense?
Starting point is 01:38:24 Looking at LeBron, looking at Anthony Davis, I got the night off. No, no, your job, your job isn't the funnel. Your job is to D up because you give us nothing offensively. Like I said, you've got, whatever it is, you've got to be a bigger asset than a live bill. So he has to be a bigger asset on the defensive end because we know he's a liability on the offensive end.
Starting point is 01:38:52 But if he gives us nothing on either, now all of a sudden he's no good. If you wasn't playing him at the beginning of the season, there was a reason. Don't play his ass now because you feel you need to change shit up. No, you need to get everybody thinking the right way. You need to get everybody in tune with what their game is. You think DiAngelo is coming off the bench to this guy and you think he's happy.
Starting point is 01:39:18 Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. Like, Cam, you putting Cam on the bench, what's that going to do? He'll get you five. We're going to give you five coming off the bench. Cool. Like, I'm not losing nothing there, right? That is something that bleeds a locker room where you're looking at somebody in front of you
Starting point is 01:39:36 that ain't him, right? So you ain't cheering for him, right? You put a guy in that can't shoot the ball. He's, and I'm sitting here. We sit here like, all, you know, we're going to play team ball. Like, right, you start, you start, Rui or Austin. You start Russell or Austin. Trust me, their production is going to get better because you,
Starting point is 01:39:56 they should have a six. You show confidence in them. The fact that you don't, there shouldn't be, you shouldn't be at this place right now. You shouldn't be right here right now. This is horrible. Unless, unless, unless, something. They putting Vandy in because they need to trade him. Show him he's healthy. That's a thing. That's a thing right.
Starting point is 01:40:18 15 coming up. Where they'll show him. He's healthy. All right. Yeah, he heard that. Hey, look at him out there. Look at him. Oh, look at him. Go out of Shell, y'all. He liked that car we got. You know we want to get, we want to sell it. So I'm going to drive it and everybody see it's operational.
Starting point is 01:40:31 Then I'm going to go put it right back on the show. Hey, stick to for sale side in it tomorrow. And that's what this play looks like. It looks like they want to, they want to show because there's no way as a coach you're going to take a guy who's averaging 1.5 and insert him in the starting lineup and he don't even get no minutes
Starting point is 01:40:47 or the play is I want to show him off so I can package him. Yeah. Because you know Vando was hurt at the start of the season. I think he had a foot injury or he had some kind of injury to start the season. But for whatever reason, man, hey,
Starting point is 01:41:03 they got to get more production. They need more than 5 points, three points, two points from him. Torian Prince is like here to miss, but okay, he does. I mean, look, more times than not, I feel comfortable with him shooting a three ball. But like I said, we don't need all three of them. Man, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:41:23 I come from a time where I did shoot half our threes. Right? We shot 14 threes a game. I shot seven of those. There's no way in the game where I'm playing on the court where he gets to take 13 threes. Who are your friends? Hell no.
Starting point is 01:41:44 You'd have been sent out. Oh, not get this motherfucker out of here, coach. Ain't no way out of game. Hey, hey, what's still doing? If this is not your job, if you're not sitting in there, like, what do you think about Ray Allen didn't shoot these many threes? No. Right, you're not Steph or Clay.
Starting point is 01:42:01 Right, KD, don't even shoot these type of threes. So for you to shoot these type of threes, you better be. sitting in the practice facility or the gym shooting thousands of shots. And if they get mad that I said they shouldn't be shooting, I would bet any type of money. If we shoot a hundred threes right now,
Starting point is 01:42:25 I will blow them out. You are a shoot guy that currently, you're talking about those three guys that shooting on the Lakers right now, you get them. I wouldn't even come on them. I'll shoot one hand against them. The Lakers, oh, they want one hand. You're going to have to be a real shooter for me to eat.
Starting point is 01:42:42 put both my hands on the ball. I take 300 shots a day. Still. I take 300 shots and I wake up 4.35 and I go out there and take my shots. It's just in me. So I can't look. I can't see a player and I'm sitting here like,
Starting point is 01:43:00 what do you do? When you're in practice, what do you do? Are you working on your shot? How are you not marksman? You know, you got one job. One. One job. That means if practice starts at 11, hey, you, Cam, you Prince, get in the gym at 8 o'clock, you shoot nothing but threes from these spots from 8 to 11.
Starting point is 01:43:27 Then we have 10 practice. Then after, take one more hour of shooting more threes. And then I need you to come back later on tonight and shoot more threes. That should be your job. You should be a marksman. When I pass it to you, I should be, everybody should be turning. turning around. We all turn around, put our hands because we know that's in. But what are you doing? Go on, you just come in here practicing, get 50-something shots up and think you good? Think you
Starting point is 01:43:53 golden? Nah, man. Like there was a year where I took 100,000 shots in the summer. Because the calculation was, shit, I'm only shooting about 37% for me to go up another percent. I got to shoot about 100,000 shots. To move up 1%, I had to shoot. A lot of, you, 100,000 shots. That's how the calculation went. So when you look at the Steph curries and stuff like that, man, they shoot. I watched that. I watched Steph take 400 shots in 22 minutes moving.
Starting point is 01:44:33 And that was the warm up. Wow. That was just the show the crowd. This is what I do. Ended that and then worked out for two hours. So he took about 1,500 shots that day. Wow. The mere fact that you know, Steph has to be,
Starting point is 01:44:51 because Steph has to like, it's different for him because he's perpetual emotion. So there's very few chances, there are very few times that he's getting a wide open three. He's coming off a pick. He's back cutting and he's flaring, but he's still constantly moving. I don't, but look here,
Starting point is 01:45:09 it's something when you get tired now, fatigue will make cowls of us all. So for him to be able to shoot that shot after, you know, playing 25, 30 minutes. Okay, to start the game, we get it, Gil. But he moving like that through the entirety of the game. And in the fourth quarter, he's in impeccable shape, right? That shape separates him. Like when we talk about the greatest shooter, right, if we told everyone to shoot 100 shots, right, 100 threes, right?
Starting point is 01:45:41 It could be close. Yes, I believe that. Ray Allen, a Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller, yeah. He's, we can say he's the best shooter. He's the best shooter because he was the best conditioned. So his first quarter looked like his fourth quarter. While the rest of those shooters were tiring out, he's at a 99% stamina level.
Starting point is 01:46:07 So he was consistent throughout. So he looked like. he was the better shooter because he's in shape the whole thing. Versus, I mean, I'm 30 minutes and I'm sitting here like, can me get some water? And he's, that's the key to all of it. Being in shape, you be the best shape of your life. Like when I say life, I mean, like you run into three, four miles when you don't play
Starting point is 01:46:35 the game just to get the extra cardio in. You have to do a lot of stuff to be great. Right. Grizzlies are 4-0 with Jha. The Grizzlies went 6 and 19 without Jop because he started this season serving that 25-game suspension. They're now 4-0 with the Western Conference
Starting point is 01:46:50 Player of the Week on the court after pulling off a come-from-behind over the New Orleans on Tuesday. The Memphis Grizzlies trailed by 14 in the fourth quarter and chipped away at the lead into the final seconds of the game. Jod did this celebration. I guess it's a New Orleans dance
Starting point is 01:47:07 called Pistols and Bazooka. they're separate? Yeah. Okay. What I'm being told now, they're saying it's two separate things. They say it's the New Orleans dance and it's not the celebration,
Starting point is 01:47:25 Pistols and Pizooka and Bizuka. No. I didn't say that. What I was told, I was saying, you know, it's the New Orleans dance. It is not Pistols and Banzuka. No, yeah, it's a New Orleans dance
Starting point is 01:47:39 that just happened to have. Pillsills and Pizook. And Pizzleck. Like it makes you, it may, like, I know like he's going to irritate the older group, but it kind of got a, like, as a, as someone who thrives on being petty, right? He can't help himself, right? Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:48:03 I'm being honest. Like, right now, without the celebration, I call him Jow Wick, because that's what he reminds me of. Like, he killed his dog. Right. Yeah, he's going through it. going through teens like they killed this man doll, right? And it's phenomenal. It's phenomenal what he's doing.
Starting point is 01:48:21 It shows you how great he is. And he's so and he's young, right? And I know we're going to, nobody want to hear excuses of he's young, but he is a kid. He's in a culture where it's the dance culture, right?
Starting point is 01:48:38 Like if you look at Westbrook and the dances he was doing during those OKC, he's no different. Just the music he listens to, got those type of reactions to it. And when he's doing his dunks and he's feeling great, that's when he's showing it. Like, this is not coming
Starting point is 01:48:55 from an angry place. Like, we're looking at what he's doing. It's not coming from an angry place. Everything he's done is coming when he's actually happy. Right? It's a weird one because it's the culture.
Starting point is 01:49:11 When they're dancing and they're doing this, it's coming from a happy spot, not an angry spot. And I don't think no one's separating the two. They just see, oh, pistols and he threw the bazook at us. Right. Right. And that's going to be the problem, right? And I don't think we should focus. Huh?
Starting point is 01:49:27 You know, it's optics. You know, in this situation with him, he got suspended for gun. He was a, you know, he got, you know, had it one time and he went in with the commissioner and he saw the commission, he'd never put himself in that position again, and then a couple of months later, he was in that again. I think it's just the optics of it.
Starting point is 01:49:43 But like you said, I mean, I guess the only dance that he know how to do, have guns, add him things on him. So it is what it is. Hey, no, I'm laughing because as soon as you see it, I was like, oh, shit, there you go again. He just can't, you know, you dunk on you. But I'm just, I'm just glad that, like, I'll rather see him still having his mental intact. Yeah. Versus seeing some watered down version.
Starting point is 01:50:12 right and as the organization of the Grizzlies I know I know deep down aside they happy as hell one you got one of the future stars of the NBA you have an impact player you have a player that you can sell to your audience you got them at a discounted rate right those 25 games was perfect for you to get him for $40 million cheaper right you say $40 million with those antics so
Starting point is 01:50:43 in your mind you don't care because you got a it's like getting iverson it's like you know what i mean it's like getting iverson it's like getting the bent leave for 20% off right you're not going to complain you're not going to complain and that's and that's what it is with jah and you know he's at a he's at this this point though he's at this point on where it's a god-mode thinking my team was so trash without me right you're trash without me y'all some losers without me I come back we phone no I don't hit two game winners
Starting point is 01:51:24 I'm that man if he don't if he don't settle if he don't really look at himself his ego can be bigger than it was before of course and the issue is going to be now that he's
Starting point is 01:51:41 entering that God's own thought process where he needs to protect him himself more because now you're four and oh you go five and no you you you you what's the name of the month you you you make the all-star game oh they go we we got to come get you I send some girls this way we need him to do something like you know and this is where now he needs because he has this chance where they opened the door for you to come back in without any penalty penalty right we penalize you but we got you a clean slate where you can
Starting point is 01:52:17 can come back and get your crown back. And I think he's to really think about where he's at and what he can accomplish. He can get more than he loss. If he plays this right, because the team is horrible without him. And if he can get this team to the playoffs, he can make that all-star team. He's the dude. The gift of gab asked, what do you think about Memphis going after Andre Drummond of Busevich from Chicago or one of these bigs from the Pistons,
Starting point is 01:52:48 Bones Highland from the Clippers. What do you think? I mean, because obviously there were a different team with Big Adams. And him going down, you know, he missed the last half of the season. They thought he was going to be able to come back, but he ended up having to have surgery again and he's going to miss the entire season. What do you think about going out and getting Abusevic, getting an Andre Drummond? I mean, I mean, you've got to trade, right?
Starting point is 01:53:10 If you're just trying to replace one guy and you're trying to replace an enforcer, a hard body down there, then, you might want to go after Dwight Howard, right? That is the only player that is cheap, right? Cheap willing to come in for pennies on a dollar. And because he's been out of the NBA and it looks like he's being left behind,
Starting point is 01:53:37 he's going to accept whatever role you give him. Right. You know he's going to be in shape, right? You know he's going to play defense, right? He's going to come to practice. He's going to be a professional. and if you need him to come in there and check some players, he can do that, right?
Starting point is 01:53:54 And you don't have to break up your team to go out there and get those guys your name. You can just sign him as a free agent. When Adams comes back, you can cut him if you want. Well, Adam is coming back this year, so you'll probably can have him on the, and he'll be just what Adams was. I believe if you played him, say, 25, 27 minutes,
Starting point is 01:54:13 I believe he can give you the kind of rebounds that Adam gave you. Oh, yeah. He'll give you a double, double. Yeah. Because, you know, he'll give you a double-double. He's going to get physical down there. And that's going to open up a lot of stuff for John Moran. Because now you have a real enforcer down there where no one is going to be trying to hit you.
Starting point is 01:54:31 Right. And, you know, that's the one guy I see without you can, without breaking up what I have. Because what I have right now is four, no. Right. Because when I look at it, I think Dwight Howard, even at his age, is still more athletic than Stephen Adams. Oh, yeah, facts, facts, facts. So I think that would be a good move. Jalen Brown likes a tweet, pushing back at UD,
Starting point is 01:54:54 Adonis Hazlum comments on Bill Russell. Haslam apparently said F Russell after the NBA announced the league-wide jersey retirement for the legendary Celtic Star. Haslam said, tell me when you're going to see Miami Heat jersey hanging in Boston, said Haslam. I have to repent. I had to repent that. I love Bill.
Starting point is 01:55:11 No disrespect to Bill. I love him. Will you ever see a jersey hanging in the Boston Rafter? Why? though you know what he got a hang in there UD you know I like UD but I think the thing is what UD is feeling to miss what he's missing
Starting point is 01:55:28 is sometimes a player is so good and so great they transcend the sport because he's more than just a basketball player it's kind of like Jackie Robinson Jackie Robinson they retired 42 league wide because he transcends ascended the sport.
Starting point is 01:55:48 Was he the best player in baseball? No. But what he did should never be forgotten. Bill Russell was the same way. What he went through, even in Boston, as he was winning all those titles. At that summit, I think it was 67, in which the summit in Cleveland happened.
Starting point is 01:56:08 He was there. Bill Russell is a civil rights icon. Muhammad Ali, is Mohammed Ali the greatest boxer? But he transcends the sport. And sometimes when a person is transcendental, I mean, whatever is bestowed upon him is worthy. Bill Russell having his number retired across the league is worthy.
Starting point is 01:56:40 Jackie Robinson, having his number retired across baseball, is worthy. So I don't, and I get, I think he was just looking at it like, man, he's from Boston, but you have to look at the other stuff. Hey, the basketball is a thing. Obviously, he had to be great at basketball. But if the other things is the reason why he's hanging across everywhere.
Starting point is 01:57:11 When it's playoff times and we beat the enemy, we don't care about what you transcendence. We're trying to get out of this series. And I got to tell my team, whatever. I have to tell them to get over this hump. Right. These two teams have been battling for the last three, four years. Right.
Starting point is 01:57:29 And no matter what they're trying to do, when I see that number at this point in time up there, while we're playing this team, I don't care what this history is. We're trying to get out of this year. We're trying to get to the championship. And that Boston jersey, that legacy is in our way. Well, how about this here?
Starting point is 01:57:55 You do realize the Miami He retired Michael George's number. So why he ain't saying FMJ? Because they ain't playing Chicago Bulls. They ain't played Chicago Bulls. I mean, Pat Riley retired that thing before number six. Number what I'm saying. He said ain't nobody should wear 23.
Starting point is 01:58:09 Well, I want 23. But they're not playing Chicago Bulls in the playoffs. They play you. If you look it up at the rafter, worried about what hanging in Boston and was hanging across your arena, you already beat. But who won? Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:58:23 So it worked. Whatever this, speech was. Whatever the speech was. Who won? They gag. But no, but you got to remember that. You got to remember the Miami Heat.
Starting point is 01:58:36 They lost that game in their arena. They had to go back to the, I guess they still call it the guard, the TD Banks, the TD Banks. I think it's TD Banks. So they had to end up having a win there. But like you, like I said, I just think the thing is that if you understood, It's kind of like, you know, Cleveland, you understand with Jim Brown because he was, we know he was a historical figure as far as running the football, but it was what he did in the civil rights movement that gave him the added credence and the cachet. So, yeah, I don't think, I don't think when UD was, when he did that speech, none of that really mattered to him, right?
Starting point is 01:59:19 He's just trying to figure as a guy to get these guys over the hump, to really try to put some type of fire into them, right? In times like that, like there was times where we being, you know, we got like Larry Hughes, right? We're playing Larry, and we got speeches that have him. He left us, boom, boom, we got to go in and say, like, that's not how we felt. But we got to show each other that we're willing to do. whatever it takes to get through this hump.
Starting point is 01:59:51 Right? And if Larry's in our way, Larry's in our way. And that's really, you know, what that speech was. We're just hearing about it now. Right. Wait a minute. You can't say that. Well, to get them to do what he needed to do, I mean, Jalen, if y'all should have got over game seven, y'all should have said, that's them.
Starting point is 02:00:11 Right. I think it's the same thing. I don't know if you heard about this, Gil, but there's a situation where Sean McDermott, the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, he used a reference about 9-11 and it ended up getting out and he had to apologize he had to walk it back and I think this was a situation because like you said doing a pregame speech or you trying to get somebody motivated you say a lot of stuff yeah that's a lot of stuff but sometimes like as as fans or whatever like you can't take everything for what it is like this is a different time not gil i know it's a different time
Starting point is 02:00:47 Gil, the stuff that we would say in the locker room and y'all said in the locker room, that ain't going to fly now. Yeah, no facts. Hey, he's going to get canceled. You go get canceled. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:00 And you understand that. And you have to be able to, you have to be able to maneuver. But the thing is, but now everybody's offended about everything. And I think that's a problem with sports is the fact that every group is willing to cancel is the reason why everyone's reluctant to have certain type of groups inside the organization.
Starting point is 02:01:26 Because if something happens, right, that's natural how we talk and how we prep each other. And you're canceling me, then it's easier for me not to accept that person here. We won't say we're discriminating, but we are. But that is easier versus you canceling me for saying something inappropriate. yeah. Zion got a chest tattoo. I want to know who was going to break the new aunt.
Starting point is 02:01:53 I thought that was you busting out there. Just guerrilla, man. Man, you know goodwill. I ain't got no stomach like that. I don't know where you got that from. I just want to know what thing, Gil. Who's going to tell him it's not centered? Listen, listen, maybe it's supposed to be a little over the heart.
Starting point is 02:02:14 Maybe that was the way it was designed. a little over the heart. But I want a Zion, man. Come on, man. Right? Like, I get the concept, right? You want to put a, what was that guerrilla name? Harambe.
Starting point is 02:02:32 Yeah. Arambi. You got Harambe on your chest, man. But the belly is what stopped me, man. Like, it reminded me of what Stephen A. said, man. He was at the Fito line, and he's belly getting the bouncing. Soon as I seen him with a shirt off. That's all I looked at like, oh, Stephen A. was right.
Starting point is 02:02:49 That was bad. Bad, look. You got a tattoo with Gil? Oh, a whole body. I got corporate tats. I coined it. I called it corporate tats. Tats where I like tattoos, but to get my corporate sponsors,
Starting point is 02:03:14 not on my neck, not on my neck, not on my, sleeves, face. Yeah, yeah. So, so, yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:19 So, yeah. So, yeah. So I have tats all in where, where the jersey covers everything. Right.
Starting point is 02:03:24 Right. So I called it corporate tats where I like the tattoos. Right. Couldn't see them. It was just, I'm not going to score, I'm not going to score, scare corporations off.
Starting point is 02:03:33 Acts from having me a part of their brand. Flip, St. Felix asked, no question. Guy. I just wanted to say, Shannon and Gil,
Starting point is 02:03:41 you guys are killing the game and watching y'all dominate this media is beyond inspiring. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate the support. Dr. Shark Monk said, do NBA NFL players avoid getting intimate having sex before a big game like boxers do for weeks
Starting point is 02:03:57 or have fresh legs? Hell now. I don't know by giving them. Hell now. Ain't a boy, nothing. I mean, we're in the hotel night before a game, so it makes a little bit more difficult because we have security at the elevator.
Starting point is 02:04:09 We have security at the end of the hall. So ain't nobody. I mean, once we have bed check, so once we have bed check, I mean, they lock it down. down. But hell now. Weeks.
Starting point is 02:04:21 Man, you, I ain't no boxer. I mean, I understand they go up to Big Bear or they go to, you know, these places and they're in training camp for six, eight weeks and then, hell not, hell till the knob. I'm going to try to shake the covers Friday night because I know I'm about to be locked down on Saturday. No, but look, I can only speak to me. A, uh, uh, uh, shark monk that when you ask, I don't know whatever NBA players. I don't know what any NFL players do.
Starting point is 02:04:49 Maybe some do, maybe some don't. But no, I'm not going no six weeks or once the seasons start going without sex. That ain't going to happen. I mean, Friday, I mean, 24 hours, 48 hours, that's all I got for you. Did we least communication with Gil? I think we lost Gil.
Starting point is 02:05:11 Lost Gil, lost the signal. Headquarters, you got us. man y'all you all stop that man ain't anybody to get no tattoo or no cheeseburger he ain't getting no neck bone on his neck come on now y'all y'all do it too much chat y'all wrong for this the man got a tattoo okay he wanted a tattoo on his body it's a heart and i think it got like a as a girl a silverback uh in the in the center of the cross i'm gonna if gill joins us back we're gonna um we'll go back and revisit that question dubby asked unkin gill
Starting point is 02:05:48 what y'all think about Rashid Wallace isn't an NBA 2K because they only wanted to pay Vest 10,000 to be in the game. He won $125,000, but they refused to pay it. 2K makes hundreds of million a year. I get it because we're in the same situation. And but I think it's nice that I'm a part of the game. And I think, you look, I think Sheed, I ain't counting that man's pocket. But he feels that the adequate and the proper compensation.
Starting point is 02:06:19 would be $125K. I'm not here to tell him he's right or wrong. Me, I wanted to be a part of it. And so, you know, hey, it's not much, but I'm not hurt for money. I'm doing my own thing. I don't think he's hurt for money either, but he wants to stand on back, hey, guys,
Starting point is 02:06:37 you're making hundreds of million dollars. What's $125K? But then when you start paying everybody $125K, I don't think the game is going to last too long. So for me, I understand him standing on it. I also understand. 2K said,
Starting point is 02:06:55 nah, we're good, bro. We'll have the pistons or the trailblazers and you won't be a part of it. Gil, are you back yet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah, bad. She's a hacker system. Dr. Shark Monk, he asked,
Starting point is 02:07:12 do NBA NFL players avoid getting intimate, having sex before big games like boxers do for weeks, to have fresh legs and does that work. I was saying, Gil, no, bro, I ain't no boxer. I'm going to shake the covers Friday because I'm going to be locked down Saturday. So no, and my leg should be recovered by the time I hit the field on Sunday. So no, I'm not going to week. I'm not going, I'm not going a month.
Starting point is 02:07:36 I'm not doing any of that. O'Shea, go shake the covers for dark on Friday. Like, it's ritual. So I had a teammate who got some fun. Alatio before the game hit five threes. So you got to call up back the next game. So you know every game, that's what he had to do. Okay.
Starting point is 02:07:59 Every game, go to the parking lot, right before the tip off, go to the parking lot, get a little thing done, come on to the game. Yeah. Hey, a superstitious is a powerful thing, man. Most powerful thing. I didn't listen. I didn't because I heard the story, Magic Johnson, back in the day, said he didn't have sex the night before the game. Right.
Starting point is 02:08:26 And that's all I grew up knowing the night before the game don't have sex. Magic Johnson said don't have sex the night before the game. Right. So that's what I always did. So there was a certain time 9, 10 o'clock that I stopped. So I didn't do it on game day. Right. Just because that's what I thought.
Starting point is 02:08:43 But I know it wouldn't affect me. It was just that's what, you know. So you didn't do nothing? the night before either. Like, you know, 10, 11, 12? Yeah. Not on game, no. Oh, but see,
Starting point is 02:08:53 we had security on the floor. So we couldn't, I mean, I mean, I'm sure some guys were able to speak. Wait, what? What do you mean security? What was security for? No women on the floor. I mean, we couldn't have anybody on the floor.
Starting point is 02:09:06 We had room check. We had bed check. Wait, as a grown man? As a grown man. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you all had curfew? Yes. Oh.
Starting point is 02:09:17 Oh, no, oh, no, no. Yeah, for sure. No, no, we knew. Damn, you need to be an NBA player for about one good year. That's why I said I had to shake the cup for dark on Friday. Because I know I was going to be locked down. Either on the road or in the hotel, because even at home, we stayed in the hotel night before the game. What?
Starting point is 02:09:40 Yes, you stayed at a hotel night before a game. Oh, we parted on. Oh, no. We parted on. Oh, no. Most of us is coming in at six, seven in the morning from the club. Yeah, but see, y'all games that night so you could do that. See, we played at 1, 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
Starting point is 02:09:56 Yeah, because we just go sleep all day. We just go sleep all day. Right. Oh, no. Because Mike is telling us Friday and Brian was always telling us after the practice. We're done practice around 1 o'clock Friday. All right, go home, get off your feet. If you got, you know, hey, and when, you know, I did, I got off my feet.
Starting point is 02:10:15 You know what I mean? Gil, I was off my feet. Yeah, that's great. Hey, man, you were all on, but I was off my feet. Oh, y'all didn't even get to have fun. We haven't, uh-uh, listen, if I, uh, oh, you can't hang with no basketball player. We ought to be good.
Starting point is 02:10:37 I'd be good. Oh, yeah, uh-uh, we run them through the whole chair. You got the same girl going through four-five rules. What? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. I got to do it. Oh, yeah. She's coming on down.
Starting point is 02:10:49 You know, hey, and she got a friend. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, you don't need you know where to travel in packs. Oh, yeah, I can't handle all these girls. Come on down here. Yeah, got three folk coming from. No, that ain't happening in the NFL. Security can be come.
Starting point is 02:11:01 But see, now, Gil, Gil, with the, I wouldn't want no part of that now. With the way it's set up now or you're going to get, oh. It's a simple, let me say your simple rule, Gil. no means no, maybe means no, and sometimes yes means no tomorrow. All that, no, nope, nope, leave it along, girl. Not even cash means yes, right? Cash means yes.
Starting point is 02:11:30 As soon as they take that cash, oh, they mean, yeah. Right, so we pay, hey, we paying. What you say? Oh, yeah, go ahead, how that. Yeah, we got receipts. Oh, let me cash app you this, oh, cash app sin. I ain't got no apps or I ain't got no cash on my phone. But I ain't got no Uber.
Starting point is 02:11:47 I ain't got nothing. Have you noticed though, the NBA players ain't getting called out for that? Yeah. Yeah, man. But see, y'all got a different life. See, basketball, like basketball and baseball player, y'all don't draw the price up. Y'all inflation.
Starting point is 02:12:04 So y'all don't draw the price up to here. I mean, you used to be, you know, fang in you get your hair done. You know, you get your nails done. And, you know, you play a little bill here or there. Oh, yeah, we messed the, oh, yeah. Yeah, y'all would draw the price. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:12:20 Y'all got high, man. Yeah, we fly, we flying private jet. We're going to be 100,000 just to get your numbers. See, that what I'm saying? Oh, see, I needed them pre-pandemic prices. See, the pandemic doesn't happen, and everything was scarce. Yeah. I needed to go back to pre-pandemic.
Starting point is 02:12:40 Yes. I can't get your, yo, man. They're basketball players. I told y'all, the basketball player, the baseball player, the double level. They didn't. Like, we buying the burking bag. We're going to put the 30,000, 40,000 in there just to talk to you.
Starting point is 02:12:54 We're going to try to spoil you just to get it. Just for the night. Oh, God. Oh, Lord. You all see that, hey. You all right? Y'all want to keep up with the NBA player. bring your checkbook.
Starting point is 02:13:14 And when people hear me talk and I say, y'all don't understand. I got a different playbook. My playbook, I get to say whatever I walk because what they're going to do, I can just get a new one.
Starting point is 02:13:26 Right? How I, like, girls, like, yeah, don't talk to me like that. I get you. And then the people above me, get you too. And they say, hey, what time are you going to be over here?
Starting point is 02:13:38 You said nine. I'm horny right now. I'm going to call somebody else. see you later. Huh? I get to do that. Oh, no, I'll be, I'll be over right now. Well, whoever, whoever get here first, that's who I'm letting in. So what, so what if they show at the same time? Hey, y'all like each other? Hey, hey, look, the NBA player, look, the NBA player, listen, the NBA player, going to try it.
Starting point is 02:14:07 We say whatever, because we, we can. I'm scared. And that's the problem. Like, we really, like, we, we rude. Like, we, we, we compromise because we, we, we can go in the DM and then get the talking. We should talk regularly. All right. Well, then I'll just holl at your friend. Or I'll holl at this person.
Starting point is 02:14:30 Hey, I will all four y'all to come back. We, we just sit, we just sitting there just playing mismatch. And that's, that's, that's, that's the problem. But, and guess what? You ain't going to catch us in public. with them. So that means, listen, we, we treating girls who are high Siddi and we get to turn them into three old foes. That's for, that's holes backwards. You know, your superstar women, them, them stars. Yeah. Yeah, they, they come sneaking in the hotel two in the morning and go
Starting point is 02:15:09 leave out. So that's, so you know, I was wondering, I say, man, why everybody got a G-wagon? Why they got a Birken bag and they got an AP zone. Y'all, they got no job like, oh! Now it makes sense, Gil. I was wondering, every time I go on IG and I'm looking, she got a G-wagon, she got a Birkenbag, she got an AP.
Starting point is 02:15:33 Look, she date the NBA player for the luxury, they date the NFL player for the love. Y'all going to show them the attention that they need. Listen, I can fly you out from Miami. We go to a Miami club. You are in town with me, and I took somebody else home.
Starting point is 02:15:55 Yeah, I'm just going to get you a new hotel room. She better. Wow. I ain't got that guy. I ain't never had that guy. I ain't never been that bossy. Well, I ain't never, first of all, I ain't never went to a party like that. Like, y'all would be doing it.
Starting point is 02:16:09 I guess I'm about to go out there let my hair down. You don't know. You're talking a big player put down. Go on that try and look. Go to the next celebrity you see. Go to the next celebrity see. Hey, listen, I want you for the night. I got about 45 minutes.
Starting point is 02:16:21 Man, please. And what you got for me? You'll be surprised. Here's the thing. I get it, Gil. Look, at my age, I'm 55. I'm a little bit of celebrity. They're playing the NFL.
Starting point is 02:16:35 And I get that at my age, because of who I am, the dating pool is a lot open, a lot more open than, say, somebody 55, that's not in my position. I get it. But I ain't no fool, now, Gil. It ain't all the way open.
Starting point is 02:16:50 Like if I was, now, if I was 25 or 35, I got to play book. You know, like, you're right. You're right. So, you know, I'm hard to stay in my lane, Gil. Like, you know, hey, you know,
Starting point is 02:17:05 that new Florida law, they're just about to pass along. You got to be at Lee driving, at least 65 in the far-left lane. I'm going to, ain't all the way to the right. I'm in the lane next to the far right lane. And I'm doing like 58.
Starting point is 02:17:19 Hey, quick question, though. So since you're 55, is the problem that 55-year-old women don't look good? Is it that the 55-year-old women don't look like, kept up like you do? Is that a problem? The God's honest truth. Women, my age, looking for guys younger. and me, I ain't no set day.
Starting point is 02:17:52 Me too. So we both looking for different. We looking over each other looking for something else. It is what it is. It is what it is. I'm at 40, so I'm good. You're in a sweet spot. You're in the sweet spot.
Starting point is 02:18:09 They say like when you look at for a girlfriend or wife, half your age plus seven. that's supposed to be your cutoff. Okay. After your age plus seven. So you theoretically, so from 27, I guess all the way to 40 is in your wheelhouse. Okay. I ain't telling nobody my age.
Starting point is 02:18:33 I ain't really 55. Actually, I'm 37. He said, I'm 307. No, Gila. But I just, I just, look. I just, I mean, I just said, I just say, I ain't never had that kind of gumption to be able to, you know, I mean, I will, hey, you're not interested. I could, I could sense early on if somebody wasn't feeling me.
Starting point is 02:18:57 And that's cool. I ain't never called nobody out their name because they didn't want to holl at me or they found my boy more attractive or he had, somebody had more money. I'm cool. I'm good with it. It ain't the end of the world. I think my no-chill personality lets me get away with a lot more. Because they already, they're expected.
Starting point is 02:19:17 Right? They expect it on. Like, if I go out there right now and say, yeah, anybody charging for, you know, vagina, I'll have a whole DM full of models and celebrities. Or were you playing when you said that, Hey, Big Head. Like sometimes, I just say this shit just to say it, huh?
Starting point is 02:19:42 Right. I don't even leave my goddamn house, huh? I just see it just to say it. just for kicks and giggles because everybody wants to be a good dude so I just want to be a bad dude just to say someone has to someone has to talk for the slime balls
Starting point is 02:19:57 bro Antonio Robinson said oh you gotta stop left Stephen they get away with a Joe and dad pass an excuse many people lose loved ones but just didn't quit their job Brian better
Starting point is 02:20:10 look I mean we Gil I know you've heard everything that was said that there were other extrunuating circumstances was the reason that Jordan left the NBA. I don't know. He said it was a lot of pressure.
Starting point is 02:20:26 I know the man had a very, very close relationship with his dad. And that's a lot. That's a lot, given the tragedy, the tragic manner in which it haven't happened and the gravity of what happened. So I don't know, you know, they said it was other things where they led. He was suspended. I don't know. And so all I know is that the man stepped away.
Starting point is 02:20:48 for a year and a half and came back and he wasn't quite the same where in the 45 but when he showed back up in 96 with that 2-3 that 2-3 that 2-3 yeah I mean it was like we've heard the stories
Starting point is 02:21:05 right we've heard the whispers we've we've I've talked to refs you know and you know there's some things that went on but you know let let it was a mutual step away, right?
Starting point is 02:21:22 It was a mutual step away. You know, right now, you know, as the face of the league, you know, we don't know if we can control all this drama. So you step away going on, let the world miss you. And then you come back and then we can just talk about basketball. Right. You know, sometimes, you know, things like that have to happen, especially when, you know, who he was at the time.
Starting point is 02:21:44 Yeah. Yeah. You know, the things we heard, you don't want that. that type of, you know, cloud over the NBA, especially for who he was. Anybody else, yes, but not him. Not him. Nikki Wynn underscore 804 said,
Starting point is 02:22:01 hey there, Gil, being from Richmond, Virginia, I'm a Wizards fan because of you, and they're the only team in D.C. I support. So Nikki Wend underscore 804, she's a big fan of yours, Gil. Girl, there's only two teams in D.C. You got the Wizards and you got
Starting point is 02:22:20 George Town And the Wizards about to be going to Virginia So I hope you got your bus fare Or your gas money because that's where you're going Where she and Richmond So We loved Richmond Like we used to have training camp
Starting point is 02:22:35 In Richmond Yeah Yeah that was a good That was a good That was a good Like there It was perfect for a training camp Like we went down there
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Starting point is 02:22:55 Raiders' mom 2489, congratulations. All the best to Raider. Hopefully, after 14 months in the hospital, he's 17 months old. Finally, home. Congratulations. And hopefully he has a long, healthy, prosperous life. God is good. Thank you, Raiders' mom 2489 for sharing that.
Starting point is 02:23:15 JJ, his name is Raider? His name is Raider. She named a son. We know a team. What football fan he's going to be a fan of? Nothing. Can't be. Jay asked, do you think Pistons Losing Street should be a reminder of
Starting point is 02:23:30 to other rebuilding teams the risk of getting it wrong? No. The losing streak is more of they found out how to be bad. Yeah, you got to practice this, Bill. Ain't no way you can practice being good and be this bad. So you got to practice being bad. You got the habits of what you do every day. It's the look like when you're talking about what makes a great team great
Starting point is 02:24:01 is the little things they do when their shots not fall in, when, you know, they're making those extra little plays. I took a charge here, dove out of the bounds, hustled back on defense. You make those little extra plays. That's what the winning teams do. Now, the opposite, bad teams. teams, they make all the wrong plays at the right time for their opponent, taking the bad
Starting point is 02:24:26 shot, turning the ball over, right? You know, you had five turnovers for the game. Four of them was in the last minute, right? Yeah. You just find ways to lose. And when you're a bad team, it's more mental than it is the game itself, right? Right. As they go on a run and hit two threes, you look at each other, oh, we lost again.
Starting point is 02:24:47 Oh, we lost again. There's the first quarter. Everybody head down, right? And that's what it is. Like, there has to be a moment in time where if you think positive, it will happen. You're going to say, hey, look, we're going to win this game. No matter how many shots they make, we're going to cheer, we're going to stand, we're going to root. I need the bench.
Starting point is 02:25:07 I need you guys. Stand up the rest of the game. We're going to cheer. We need to be our own battery pack. And the day they do that is the day they get out of this slump. But right now, they are. lunch meet. Wow. That's really tough. Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button.
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Starting point is 02:26:02 The link is at the top of the chat. Make sure you go out and buy yourself a special bottle for you or that loved one. With New Year's, Valentine, St. Patrick's Day, President's Day. There's always a reason for you to drink something, you know, do something for two something. And a great way to do that is Shade by Laporteur. Gil, I want to thank you for joining us tonight. Thank you for joining us for another episode. I'm your favorite sports on.
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