The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Lakers loss to Bulls, Steph Curry's GOAT case, Ja Morant returns

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to the Chicago Bulls beating LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers, Joel Embiid dropping 51 points as the Philadelphia 76ers beat the Minnesota Timberwolves, and more from Wednesday’s NBA slate. Unc and Gil also break down Shaq's comments about Stephen Curry’s GOAT case after the Golden State Warriors beat the Boston Celtics on Tuesday, Ja Morant's electric return for the Memphis Grizzlies, what comes next in the Draymond Green saga, and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:45 - 76ers beat Timberwolves17:55 - Bulls beat Lakers26:00 - Clippers beat Mavericks36:00 - Ja Morant returns46:40 - Shaq says Steph Curry belongs in GOAT convo01:05:00 - Draymond Green Saga continues01:16:10 Smush Parker says Kobe wouldn’t talk to him01:23:00 - Zion Williamson gets called out01:51:00 - Nightcap hits 500K #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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12th consecutive game with at least 30 points and 12 plus more boards, 10 plus more boards. First time since someone has done that since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 71, 72, so that's 50 years ago. Tyrese also had 35 points. I'm looking at Joel and Bid. I think you're looking at Joey L&B. Right now, if they voted for the MVP,

I think he's winning that war unanimous. What did you take away from the game and what'd you like about him be? Hands down. I mean, he's playing, listen, he's playing like they're trying to revoke his visa right now. Yeah, yeah, right? The last, what, 12, 13 games, he's been averaging about 38 points a game. Which is, because, you know, this is that level that the super, superstars get to.

And I think we, all questioned his MVP candidate last year. I think that's what's going on. And I think he's real pissed off about that. And he's, yes, he is. I think what he's done thus far, he says, oh, y'all gave me this because y'all didn't think Yokic was worthy of being a three-time MVP because no one had done that since Larry Bird,

84, 85, 86. So I'm going to show you that last year wasn't a. state. So I'm going to come out. You like my numbers last year. You're going to love these this year because I'm going to put it on you. And he's dominating. I mean, but it's so hard, Gil, when he's shooting 17, 18, free throws a game and he's making 16, 17 of those, he is hard to keep, he's going to get 25 if he only shoots two free throws. Now you put them in the teams. How do you stop it from getting 50? And then you get Tyrese who's saying, you know what, y'all didn't want to give me that old max contract last summer.

Okay, I'm going to make you give it to me now. Oh, yeah. I mean, you have a problem on your hand. You have a problem. I mean, when you have a big guy that can shoot free throws, you get to go to them at the end of the game. You don't necessarily need that guard anymore. Like, you know, with someone like Shaq,

you know, you need a code because they'll foul you and you couldn't make you free throws. But, you know, with him beat, he makes free throws. So the fact that you can go to him and he can be a go-to guy the last five minutes just makes it impossible for you to stop him individually and then when you add a dynamic guard like maxi who can get to wherever he needs to get to in fast spurs it makes them a real dynamic duel yeah but when you look at joel and bide he has no offensive weakness he can shoot the three he can put the ball on the floor he can finish obviously

he can play with his back to the basket and as you mentioned if you file him he's going to the free throw line and he's going to make somewhere between 85 and 90 percent of those free throws so you look up at at the end of the night. And it's not like he's shooting 30 shots. He's shooting 20, 25 shots a night, and he's getting 40, 50 points, and he's giving you the rebounds, and he's giving you five or six assists.

And so when you have a big man that can dominate, hey, and he's not a slouch on the defensive end, that can play both ends of the court. And he can play a multitude of ways. He can play outside. And I love the fact that he's not selling, Gil. Because I thought a couple of years ago he settled too much. He had gotten comfortable like,

man, I can shoot threes. I want to be Dirk. I want to, no, no, no, bro. You can shoot that shot, but why would you when you can go down on the box and get an end one, which is the same thing and a higher percentage of you making the shot?

But I think he's been phenomenal. And I want to know what you think about this. I think the best thing to happen was James Harden wanted out because it gave Chari's maxi shots and it gave them an opportunity to see exactly what they had on their hands. We can say that because we get, to see Maxie more and B

probably got in better condition he's better equipped to handle the heavy load you would have wanted to see what happened

if you know James Harden stayed and we get the James Harden today that's unselfish right I think he still had that selfishness

in him where he was still mad that he had to really digress his game to Fribe right so now he's accepted that role. If he would accept it last year, they would have been a lot better.

The biggest regret Philly's going to always have is letting Jimmy Butler go. If you ask Jimmy Butler that's been on a tear for the last three years with the Embed this year or last year, they could have been champs. Do you think that that would have been a better fit, Maxie, Jimmy Butler, Embedde compared to Embeddead Harding Maxie? or would you have like to see Embededed, Harden Butler? As long as you have Butler on a team, I like Butler with Maxian and Bede. I do too.

With Butler, he holds he holds everyone to a winning standard. Yes. The Embed we see today, we would have seen two years ago. Right. Because he would have demanded it. And I think, you know,

sometimes Joel and B loves that real challenge. And I think we need to give credit to, we need to give credit to Patrick Beverly. When Patrick Beverly started making him do line drills randomly, he's been averaging 38 since then. No one's talked about going after practice, running up and down,

getting that extra shape, getting in extra shape, getting in peak shape, doing that extra things to get to that extra level. And that's what Jimmy Butler brung out of him. So it's like we wish we were like, man, this would have been a great combo today. Do you believe

Darius Maxy could have become what he is now with James Hart? No. Because I think he would have been still reluctant. Still reluctant, still hesitant to really go out and try to be that real good second option. Right? You know, it's that respect factor

that sometimes as players we have and, you know, Maxi, he's going to respect the guy he looked up to. Right? You know, you're talking about the MVP. James, that James that went on a 30 point tear in his, that 40 point tear, something we've never, hasn't seen since Jordan. Right. He would, he would have deferred

to them. So the fact that he's gone and he really gets to look around and say, I'm that dude now, right? You know, I can shoot 25 shots. I can shoot 18 and 19 and don't have to look sideways and see a guy do this. Right. Right. And when you look at it and you say something very interesting and I took note of best thing I remember. You said James Harden had to give up and digress some of his game in order to fit with Joel and Bean. It's almost like Kobe. Kobe ain't averaging 35 with Shaq. Kobe ain't getting 81 with Shaq. Kobe ain't scoring 63. It ain't scoring 60 and three quarters with Shaq. And so he, I mean, he gave up a lot of his game to fit under Shaq, even though he was

tremendous. But we saw what Shaq left, although it took up a couple of years before they got the pieces around him for him to win. We saw what he was without Shaq. I believe he could have been that years before. I just don't know if he could do that with Shaq.

Because Shaq, you got to give Shaq the ball. You got to. And that was the biggest fight here in Los Angeles, right, where Kobe felt that he turned into the guy at the end of the game But as long as there's Shaquille O'Neal on the floor,

that's who we have to go through. And I think when it was time for Kobe to say, this is my city, as long as Shaq and Phil was there, it wasn't. And that's when he went and said, hey, it's either me or them. It's me or them, because he wanted to show the world

that this is who I am without him. I need to show you all that I'm a demon. And those two to three years, had without Shaq to show the world that 35, I'm unstoppable. That's what he needed to prove that he's on that level of the Michael Jordan's. And we saw

it because when Shaq would miss games, we would see some of these virtuosos from Kobe. So it gave the world an opportunity, but they're like, and I'm like, no, he can't be that with Shaq. He's too commanding. He's too dominant. He's too much of a force that demands the basketball.

But for him to suppress Can you imagine what his numbers would have been? Now, I'm not saying he would have won titles, but I'm not so sure that he might have got, he'd have had a lot more points than what he got, what he had when he retired. Facts. I mean, by the time Kobe hit 21,

he was already averaging 20 points, 27 points a game. So, but that's Shaquille O'Neal in his prime too. So, you know, absolutely. You know, so if you take Shaq off that, the teams when Kobe was getting into his own early 2021, 19, he would have Luca numbers. Yes. It would have been, it would have been selfish basketball. And he would have been trying to get MVP scoring titles.

He would have probably had three or four of them. But, you know, by the time he got to it, he was already a winner. And it was like, all right, I got it out of my system. Now, let's win a little. Right. Right. Yeah, because at that point in time, okay, I got three titles. I needed an MVP.

I need a scoring title. Okay, now we can have conversations about all this other stuff. Because I've been an all-NBA defensive player. I've been an all-NBA player. I've won All-Star Games MVP. So now once he got those other things, now he started focusing again on winning a title, winning finals MVP to thrust him because his game,

you know, you had to take note of his game because the footwork, the shot making, the ability to finish at the rim. You're filing him. he's going to the free throw line. He's going to make 85% of his shots. He was that spectacular. But once he got, okay, I want an MVP, I want a scoring title.

Let me refocus. That was the same thing that Phil had to do with Mike when he first got with Mike. Mike, yep, Mike, you can do all this. You can get 60 and 50 average 50, but we can't win until you trust somebody. That is the biggest, that is the biggest thing in especially basketball, trustee. Now, when you talk about trusting, understand that everything goes into it, how you carry yourself, right? How you carry yourself on the bus, how you walk into the locker room, how you prepare, how you watch film. We watch it all.

So we don't like your process. If we don't like your habits, right? If we're playing the Lakers and I got Shaq and Kobe, right? and you went to the club that night, and you coming in and smelling like Vaca and Hennessy, and you are not getting you the ball. You ain't getting the ball. Yeah.

That trust is everything, Gil, because deep down I need to know you put as much effort into this as I need. Because if I don't believe, if it's hard for me to trust you, if I don't think you worked as hard as I did. And so that was the hardest thing for Kobe. Kobe, and the thing is,

we're going to talk about this a little later. Kobe was like, bro, why am I going to pass you bombs to ball? You show up late, you leave early, you don't study, you hang out, and then you want me to pass you the ball. Nah, if you want it, you'll get a rebound and put it back. And I'm going to be clapping for you to throw it back out to be a little bit shoot another. Hey, that was that whole selfish thing, right?

Everyone's calling Cobb's selfish, right? And he's calling everybody else. You should be self, you should be considered selfish. If you didn't work out all day, went to the club

and asking for the ball, that's selfish, knowing that you're not even prepared to play this game today. Right. Yeah, you should have been selfish and told your friends,

nah, I ain't gonna be able to hang out with you today. And you should have told you should have been selfish and say, nah, I'm gonna go get some extra shots in, I'm gonna get some conditioning in.

That's what it requires to be great. And that's why, if you notice, average people hate people with greatness. And great people hate people that's average. So guess what you need? If you want to be average, average people get along just great.

Great people get along just great. You notice that, you know? That's how it is. That's why it's so hard to win as a team because everybody, even the highest dollar guy versus the lowest dollar guy, got to have the same goal in mind or it's not going to run. No, seriously, you can't,

because you can't understand the process, right? Sometimes the superstar, he can't relate to everyone else. Right? He can't relate because his brain is processing at a different frequency. So if he doesn't know how to be related verbally, they don't like him. It's not like he's doing something wrong. He just doesn't know how to verbalize. And a lot of superstars don't know how to verbalize their greatness to everybody else

to make them jump up another frequency, right? You know, like with Jordan, right? Right. He didn't, like, if you look at the doc, he didn't know how to talk to them. Only Dennis and Scotty, right? And Scottie had to relay the message to the rest of the thing. That's why Phil was great, relaying the message.

Like, he didn't have to, he didn't coach Jordan. He had to coach everyone else to deal with Jordan. How to accept Jordan. because a lot of times you're so great and everything's come so easy you wonder why they can't do it well if they could do what you do

they would be great and you'd have a team full of great players that's the hardest thing to get somebody great to understand in any field because they're looking bro why can't you get that why can't you do that is so easy the test is only easy if you know the answers a sport a given sport is

only easy because you make it look easy. It's not easy. Joe L. Embed, it's the NBA's long as such street. He has 12 consecutive games with at least 30 points and 10 or more rebounds. Since Kareem had the streak of 16 straight games in 1971, 1972. So that's 50 years what Joe L.N. Bid is doing. So that just goes to show you. If you do something that only a handful of guys have ever been able to do for the,

for this length of time. And it hadn't been done at 50 years, yeah, you should be real proud of yourself. Let's go into the next game, Gil. Bulls beat the Lakers 1-24-108. The Bulls shoot 54.5%, so we'll go ahead and say 55% from the floor. Eight players scoring double figures.

LeBron had 25, 10, and 9, AD, 19, and 14. The Lakers have dropped 4-5 since winning the end-season tournament. What? What's going on? I know what's going on. They know they ask it's about to be traded. That's what's going on. Them bags is packed.

That's what's going on, huh? Hey, when the Rumble started, you start hearing the ministry, we're about to make a trade for Zach Levine, or we're about to make a trade. You start losing your passion, you know, for playing hard. I look at DeAngelo Russell, right,

before the in-season tournament, Oh, he was DeLoh. Now he DeAngelo Russell right now. Yeah. We don't get rid of you, my man. I mean, the way he played tonight, I thought it was DiAngelo the singer. Browbrowse. Yeah, that, man, I'm like, come on, Delo, just hit one shot.

I mean, he didn't get it going. Derek Fisher said he just thinks the tournament in season for the Lakers taking their foot off the gas. there's a reason why they wait till the end of the year. He says he thinks the tournament is the reason of the Lakers taking their foot off the gas. I think there's a reason why you wait until the end of the year to celebrate a championship. So he feels like they exhale.

They won the end-season tournament. They see the better, like, no, bro, you got 55 games to play. What do you mean, you exhaling? That's easy to say, but it's human nature, man, right? We win the in-season tournament, and we still talking about trading, January 15, right? It's the last day. We're still talking about trading.

And when you're talking about Russell, Rui, right? Maybe, yeah. As a player, you started looking around like, man, we just, we just pop champagne, we just put the goggles on. I just pop the champagne with y'all. And now y'all still talking about trading us,

right? Yeah. It hurts inside. Like, when trade deadline come around, oh, you can see it. And all you can see it in people's faces. When they're coming on the bus, it's hard to recover when your name is being thrown out trading because your players, your teammates are starting to look like, oh, you still here? I thought he got rid of you, my man. Wow.

No serious. But let me ask you quick. I think there should probably be three players that's untouchable. I think Austin Reasons are untouchable. Agree or disagree. Facts. Right now. I mean, since the end-season tournament, the man's been on fire.

Been crazy. He's been crazy. He's been crazy. Now, why is he still, like, my thing is, why is he still coming off the bench? I'm sorry, but it's hard as a player to earn your game, earn your minutes, and you're still not allowing me to get my name called at the beginning of the game? I got family here, too. I got Bill Bours.

I'm living daddy. Right? So let me ask you a question. So who do you start him in front of? Prince, you got D-Lo, Prince, and Cam, I don't need him and Cam. They both going to give me what? They both going to give me seven, nine.

But since Prince has been playing well, Cam, you can bring it off the bench. You ain't earning your minutes. That hurts a locker room. That hurts a locker room where I'm sitting here giving you 20 off the bench and you're starting to do giving you seven. Make it make sense. And the thing is, is that I understand that Cam is supposed to be this defensive stopper,

but I don't see enough stops on that end because the guys are still getting the numbers to warrant him playing. Now, if you're going to give me seven and the guy's supposed to get 25 and you're holding them to 17, 18, okay. But if a guy's supposed to get 20, you know, he's averaging 25 and he's getting 25, you'll say that that doesn't, you know, your seven points don't justify you continuously get those type of minutes. And that's how we judge it in the locker room. That's how we judge it in the locker room. Like you're supposed to be a defense to stopper. If he scores his numbers or more and you're not offsetting it, why are you on the court?

Right. Correct. Your defense ain't worth you being on the court when I can offset him on my scoring. Yeah, I might not be able to, you know, stop, you know, water from running. But he scored 30. I got 22. That's only an eight point difference versus his 30. You know six.

Correct. That's 24. You're absolutely right. So let me ask you a question. So what do the Lakers need? How do they make this team better? If obviously LeBron, AD are really, really, really untouchable. Austin Reeves is untouchable. What's the kind of, what's the package that they could package

and possibly get someone that can help them? Because clearly, I think they won't score. Like if you can, if Zach Levine is the one that's on a, on the, on the, um, on the radar, right?

You know, the perfect, the perfect three, it would be, uh, Rui, Delo, and,

um, Prince, they money match up to 40 million, right? So you, you, you, you can make that without any losing,

without losing any draft picks. Um, you know, uh, we have, I call him the YMCA player, you know, uh,

from Miami. He just came back today, I think. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, IMCA play. Gay business.

We can start him and keep Austin as our sixth man, but also can play the point. I mean, today the point guard ain't the point guard like that anymore. Right. You know what I mean? So we have we have pieces where we can give up and still be dynamic. Yeah,

nobody, the old point guard, the Jason Kidd, the Magic Johnson, John Stockton. No, these guys are mostly, them are two guards masquerading its point. Did you like the lineup how he started because it looked like Chicago, started big and he started small. I'm starting to question, I'm starting to question

bumpy a little bit. I'm not even going to lie. Right? I'm sorry, but you know, like we are championship teams are huge. No matter what winning teams are doing during a regular season, the teams that pull in them championships are tall. They're playing bully basketball. That's small.

Small ball, the small ball don't work like that, right? No. You see what's happening to the Warriors now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think they just need to tweak some things over there. But like Denver was big. When Golden State won and I mean, KD, you know, 611, right? It's big.

Honestine were big, right? The teams that win are tall teams, right? Yeah, but they also had Javel McGee. It's not like Jabal McGee is six foot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you remember when they first started, they had Festus Ozzili, they had Andrew Bogin. With the exception of the last time they won when they beat the Celtics, and they just had Loon, Kavana Looney.

They've been a big team. Right? So, you know, just that small ball, I think they called it, what, the Death Squad? Yeah, like Iggy at the four. I think people confuse that lineup with like the championship lineup, right? And I understand that Iggy came off the bend. right and they put that team in for spurts you know that you were dumb enough to the the change to go small with them small go small with them yeah yeah the clippers beat the mabbs

121 11 kawai drops 30 points uh james hard had 17 points 11 assists clippers are now on a nine game winning streak since james hardin got inserted into the starting lineup russ says i understand the definition of true sacrifice and russ You are absolutely right. Because I'm not so sure a whole lot of guys with your medals and medallions and trophies and accolades was going to be as receptive as going to the bench and having their minutes reduced like they did as you have been.

Man, like, we have to really sit back and think how we judge our athletes, right? Right. You know, because someone, how they played a game, Russ played with that chip on his shoulder, the triple double, you know, the way he played, the way he carried himself, he became a villain to the point where they made the triple double irrelevant because he was doing.

Yeah. He's hustling, getting rebounds and we don't like it. Like, that's the effort, right? That's the effort thing. to the point where we call them selfish. But when you listen to all the players that he played with, he was the most unselfish guy. I don't know if you ever heard that story about Pat Bev, right?

You know him and Pat Bev was, yes. And Pat Bev's sister was trying to get in the game, and she didn't have seats. Pat Bev forgot to leave her seats. So Russell gave his enemy, he gave his enemy, sister, front row tickets. Hey, you can have my people's not coming. You can sit front row in my seats.

Right. So when Pat Bed was at the free throw line, Russell, like, hey, your sister's front row, I gave her my seats. And Pat Bed was like, and then he had the process what he said. Like, wait, what? It looked over seeing his sister's front road. And then had to think him after the game. That's Russell.

Right? So what Russell did was that's who he is. Right? He wants to win at all costs. Just Sometimes you just don't like to approach. And I think that when he went to L.A., we're not going to talk bad on LeBron. Ad just won a championship, so he was untouchable.

So we're looking at the person that we can blame. But that was the only person who was holding the ship. That year, he was the only person who played 75 games, and we blamed him for the downfall. And I think he just got a bad rap for himself. I agree. And, you know, look, the Laker fans are different because they have a level of expectation, you know, and they don't care what you've done elsewhere.

He got those triple doubles, and he was an MVP at OKC, and he got triple doubles in Washington, and he played really well alongside James Hard. And when he didn't come and give them those numbers for the Lakers, they didn't care that he was homegrown. And because you have to understand the level of greatness that they expect. When you think of Lakers, you see all those monuments out front.

You see all those jersey numbers that's hanging up. That's what these fans expect. Homegrown or not? Did you see, you remember, and I know you remember this deal, when LeBron first got here and they tried to put up murals, they cover them up.

Nope, we're not doing that. Oh, yeah. Because he got those MVP's and he got those championships elsewhere. He got all these accolades elsewhere until he does something in the purple and gold, we're not going to accept him. And that is fat. Still, still, Ligger fans is like, hey, we're on the fence still. Because the thing is that they look at LeBron as an adversary to Coli. And anybody that could possibly threaten Kobe, that's something.

a no go. Kobe Kobe is God to the Lakers. Nobody. Not magic, not Kareem, not Shaq, not Will, not Mike, not anybody, that Elgin Baylor, not J. Ritz. Kareem,

nobody is on the level of Kobe in a Laker uniform because they saw a 17-year-old boy come here, mature, grow, and they saw every step of the way.

Nobody is going to replace Kobe. It ain't going to happen. He was the he was the American dream, right? When we think American dream, when we think of our, the movies we love, right? We have the guy start off

as a hero, gets dropped down from that hero's stature and then build himself back to that hero stature, right? That's Kobe. That's what Kobe did, right? Right.

Right. No other star did that when Jordan was Jordan. It was magic. Right. They didn't go here, fall here and say, ah, I'm going back to the mountain. And that's why Laker fans would never say Kobe is not the greatest Laker ever. He did something that we can identify with. Right.

Because you know what? He's human. He's human. And I think everybody, you know, everybody likes like, man, there's frailty. There's human frailties. And when we see our superstars, and sometimes it's almost like, you know, you go to the top and then you fall down and then we're going to do everything we can to

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28, 10, and 11, if I'm not mistaken. This was also the sixth straight game that Kyrie missed with a bruised heel. I just don't know how far this team can go without Kyrie. I don't really know how far can they really, do you see obviously the clipper that I talked to Ty Loo? I saw Ty Loo the other day and had a good conversation with him. And he's like, yeah, we, we're figuring this thing out.

We go, we're going to be a tough out now. Hey, hey. So I had a great conversation with him. But when I look at the Mavericks, how far can they realistically go? Not far. Not far. Like, man, Lucas good. Luke is good.

Man, like, he's never had an actual contending team, but it makes it look like they got something going on. Like, his story. It's been some trash. But, yeah. His dominance individually has made people really think Mavs is a playoff team. They got a chance.

They got a chance, right? He's been doing a number on the Clippers. So I know the Clippers is like, whoa, finally. Yeah, he didn't get 40, he didn't get 40, 17, and that's way off. We finally got a team that we could just beat Luca. So the fact that, you know, the Clippers did win. You know what? I wasn't going to call them flippers, but I think they've earned their name.

a little bit. I think they earned a little clip in it. I've been impressed. A little clip in it. Like, you know, you know, Darrell got a, I mean, I don't think, I think Clipper Darrow need to stay away. Because, yeah, yeah, yeah, low, he keeps him and Marcellus Wiley. As long as long they stop talking, the Clippers do very well. Y'all, y'all bad luck, leave him alone. Yeah, so with Kyrie out, they have no chance, but with Kyrie in, they still don't have, they still don't have enough pieces. I don't believe. They don't. They don't.

I don't believe so either. But give the Clippers. And it seems like it's a different guy every night. Tonight, Kauai had it going. I mean, Euro Stepp and Spitting Baseline Duncan. The other night, it was James Hardin. We see Paul George hit the game winner. And seemingly, it's a different guy every night.

Norman Powell has been sensational over the last six, seven games. We know Terrence Mann is going to be all hustle. He can knock down some big shots. Russ is going to come in and give you energy. Even a mere coffee came in and hit some big shots tonight. Zubaz didn't. finish the game. He really rarely does, but he's going to, you know what he is.

He's going to hustle for you, get you to put back, get you some offensive rebounds. Yeah, they look good. They're not big, but they look good. And that's what you need from a superstar team like that, right? Where any given night one of us can explode.

Yes. You know, and, you know, when we're all hitting, we're untouchable. Unbeatable. If three of us is on, we're still unbeatable, right? You know, two, we can still manage it out. Maybe a bench player is coming, but we have enough talent on here.

As long as we're playing the right type of basketball, right. We should be fine. The most impressive thing, Kuala Lina hadn't missed the game. Facts. That's the most impressive thing. Facts.

Facts. Right? That part is, and we ain't even giving it flowers for it. Hey, hey, I got it. I just had a thought of it. Hey, Kauai, he missed the game. You know, normally this time, you don't got by 7.8 them things under his belt. Hey, listen.

Kauai saved somebody. Paul George. But you know Russ is going to play regardless. James Harden normally plays. The young guys are going to play because they don't know any about it. Hey, they just, hey, they just happy. But, you know, Kauai liked to save some of his games for the trip home. You know, March, April.

Kauai, say, I need a couple of the game. Yeah, I'm good to go. But they've been playing well. I've been very impressed with what I saw. John Morant last night scores 34 in his return. It's the game winner. Tim Morant was on a radio station tonight and saying, my son's job is to try to win championship for the Memphis Grizzly.

Face of the league that come from other people's opinion. Second, there have been a lot of faces of the league that have done way worse things than my son. So while my son is under the guillotine again, you cannot do this to me. You cannot double stand to me and talk about the face of the league. T, does he understand? And I think he's trying to make reference to the guy that we were just talking about here in L.A.

For what transpired to him, I think it was 2003. Does he know that we're in a different time now, 2003 in 2003? There's this thing to call the Me Too movement. We just saw Jonathan Major basically lose his career over a situation. I mean, T. are you, I mean, what do we? we missing? I mean, does he not understand that the NBA is a private business? They set the rules. They said your son's behavior, although he broke no law, but he broke the NBA's law, because they get to sit it because they're private business. Do you understand like private

business can say no trespassing? And you can't go there. So I don't get what I don't get what T is missing. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I'm a little older than you, Gil. So maybe you can help me understand what I'm missing. The ruthlessness of rules, right? Okay, so we have Josh Giddy, right? Yes. The NBA is doing exactly what the NBA is supposed to do. Wait until there's a guilty verdict before you penalize, right?

That's the American way. What? Innocent into proven guilty. Right. Correct. There's a few people that's been penalized before being proven guilty. I was one of them. Right? I was one.

Jaya was one. The worst thing you ever want in a suspension is detrimental to the team. Because that can be one game or 82. There's no time capsule on this thing, right? Okay. In a sense, Jai would rather have had a gun suspension because that's only one of three, five, seven games. You don't want to be suspended for your behavior because that can mean anything, right? That's just get you off the court.

Right. It's just, it's made up at the point. Right. So he would have rather said, hey, I had a gun. Give me one or three games because that's your gunball. One or three games. Most of them, that was somebody shooting it. Other than that, the behavior theme becomes this imaginary thing.

So it was unfair under the end. NBA rule because the NBA rule they're using, they're just making it up in real time, right? But what T doesn't understand is that's how good your son is where he's under the guillotine.

If he wasn't part of the NBA's future, they wouldn't give two shits about that man. They wouldn't, they wouldn't care. They wouldn't have put his game on TNT. They wouldn't have done none of this. First game back. Yeah, but because who he is and how he plays,

He's under a microscope that he cannot do the things he's doing. What about the thing as a repeat offender where he went before he, he, T, his son, Jha, and their team went before the commissioner and say, we come in here in the humblest way we know how. We at the mercy of the NBA. And I promise you, my son, and he promised that I'll never put myself in this position again. And guess what? He goes and goes through the drive-through rehab, and he stayed 24 hours. And the next thing, you know, two months later, he right back on IG, waving that thing.

So what about that, yeah, okay, the first time I get it. We all make mistakes. And I'm a firm believer, the way you can change, change behavior is the best apology. So you said, you ain't got to worry about me, Commissioner. I'm done with that. And two months later, what I'm supposed to do with that, Gail? the same thing the same exact thing they did because

I did it at 28 right which makes me the idiot right you old enough to know I know better right being Superman right

you got the world that's your hands you have Superman power you have when you walk in places you are Jaman when you walk in buildings shit gets shut down. When you go to a restaurant, they're paying for it. With all the money in the world, the behavior he's doing is just immature. Because that's what he knows. Right? It's what he knows. You got a guy who's a kid.

When we say kid, we're saying he's just out of college with all the money in the world. Think of you as senior in college y'all doing drinking parties and doing all that Right? It's a different now get let me give you 200 300 million You can buy everything you you will have this sense of I'm untouchable Right and we all fall through it

A lot of us fell through it He's so he's gonna go through some more Other players are going to go You feel you're untouchable And what I tell people Money doesn't change you It makes you more you already are. If you're childish, that means you're just money.

You're going to buy childish things. You're going to do even more outlandish, childish things. Look at me. So with this, so let me ask you a question. Because it doesn't look like the family of the kids, the family of the young lady with the Josh Giddy situation here. It doesn't look like they're cooperating, but they have hired an attorney.

And so it looks like a settlement is going to happen. What do you believe the NBA will do or what do you think they should do? Okay, so the fact that from what we've heard, this has been a year ago, right? So everyone's been aware for a year. The problem is what evidence does anyone have, right? Besides a picture and words, right? Right. That's all we know now that this is a picture of them.

Right. and someone wrote their own title on it. Right. At this point, that's all we know. So if there's a settlement that happens, we would never know about it. Correct. Right?

So the NBA would not be able to do anything anyway or he can have a lawsuit against them. Right. That's what people don't understand because what ends up happening is if you suspend this guy, that means you have demonized him and made him guilty without any evidence. So if there's never no case

and you don't suspended this man without pay, what he does now is he sues for everything he's lost and future earnings. Oh, hey, I could have been an All-Star. I could have been the future. I could have been on this. And you took it. You ruined my brand. My brand.

And that's why the NBA doesn't do that. And his behavior right now, they can't get him for a detrimental to the team. Yeah. Because that's the only thing they can suspend him for is detrimental to the team to get out of the. Right. And then, you know, Jah said he kept receipts. Jha. I can see.

I don't, and I could be wrong, but when I was asked on the old show coming out, who would I take, Jod Zion? I was always in Jod's corner because I thought Zion was too heavy and I thought he was going to have a short career because of injuries.

So I say I got Jock. So I've been a Joss supporter of his basketball play. I thought some of the things that he'd done off the court, I thought was immature and warranted criticism. But for him to say he kept receipts, who had, I'm trying to figure out who in this space, Gail, be it podcast, social media,

I'm talking about that do what we do, or that's on a platform that has ever said had criticized Jaws game on the court. Because normally when you keep receipts, Gail, I said something negative about you, Gil. I said I don't believe that you can do what you, that you said you can do, Gil. That's, you keep a receipt for that.

You keep a receipt because of your behavior off the court. It's, it's fuel. It's a thing that we use to get us up for games. Okay. It ain't a real thing unless you got a draft and people got, you know, they got in front of you in a draft. Other than that, you can say, hey, Jha had a bad game, and I'm going to use that as fuel.

It's just the way. I like that he has this because you know what time he's going to be on, right? You know, you got to figure out ways to get yourself up for games when you don't have it. And most of the guys, they create enemies. Okay, right? They pretend they hurt. They create demons, huh?

Yeah, we create enemies. Right, oh, man, you said, what? I'm about to show you. Like, you started this T&T game. You pretend, oh, oh, Reggie Miller, you said what? All right, I'm about to show you. And then we look at that. We, that's, that's just something we do just to keep our, our game at a certain level.

He don't have no list. His list. his list really is those that that that that he cannot make that all NBA team so right you think he thinks is capable of making it oh he about to go ham on them oh yeah for sure because they cost him what another 30 40 million dollars by keeping them off one of those three all NBA teams because now he really gets that max contract because he's made an all NBA team first second or third team within you know a year or two of signing that contract get him at a discounted rate.

Discount, discount. Shack calls the stir. He says Steph Curry deserves consideration as the NBA's goal. I'm wondering if it's time, Shaq, this is Shaq, and I quote, I'm wondering if it's time to start putting

Steph Curry as the best player all time. Kenny, you put him over you? Shaq, yes. Steph has four championships. He's won two of them without a second all-NBA player alongside of him. He's won two of MVP's, one of which is an anonymous, and he's the three-point, well, we know what he's done

in three-point competition. So a combination of a shooting and ball handler has never been. But Gil, I'm anxious to hear, but this is why I look at it like women. Okay, a woman might have a standard that she says, okay, for a husband, I want this, this, this, and this and this. And another lady might say, okay, I want this, but I can do without that. I want this, this, and this, and this. For me, I said in order for me to,

consider you a goat. You need at least three regular season MVPs, two finals MVP's, and somewhere between 8 and 10, all NBA teams. For you to be considered the goat.

Because think about it now, we're talking about in the history, the 77, 78 year history of the NBA, we're saying you're the best player all time. And there's a very select could even be considered. You're talking about LeBron.

You're talking about Kareem. You're talking about Jordan. You're talking about magic. You're talking about Bird. You're talking about Duncan. You're talking about Wilk. You're talking about Russell. I don't think because, you know, look, I understand the three-point shot.

Okay, we already know. The only competition, the question of point guards is he and magic. Okay, you like Steph. okay, fine. You like magic. Magic, magic is for me. But that's just my criteria. It's like you choosing a woman. Well, I needed to be, you know, 5'10. I wanted to have, you know, you know, peanut butter skin. I wanted to have real hair. I wanted to be built like this. Or I wanted to be college educated. I wanted to have a job. Okay, whatever the choices is. That's just my criteria. Where are you on this? Well, I got stuff in my top 10. After he won that title, I put him in the top team. I did. So when you said your goat, there was, there's only two names, right? The problem with the goat discussion is when it was created, the goat conversation, there was only one criteria. It was Michael Jordan. Yeah. That was it. There was no. So, and I always asked, you know, so I had to ask 80s players. I had Clyde Drex for all of them. I said, before Michael Jordan,

was the goat. Who was the, who did he take the crown off? They never bestowed that anybody. They didn't have any, right? So if they didn't have no goat, right? I can't give you a criteria because the guy they gave it to at the time he only had one championship. He only had one. When they gave him this, you are the best player.

We haven't ever seen. You are him. They were saying that he didn't have no title. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. So it's hard to have a, it's all. It's hard to have a standard when the standard didn't have it. Right?

So it's hard to say, now you need five championships because the people that we, Magic, Will, Russ, Bird, they were considered the goat. So their stats don't even matter. Right? So the only person that's in that category is LeBron James. That's the only one who's threatened this, this, this, magic didn't have it, bird didn't have it, Wilk, none of them had it. Right.

Right. So I can't put you in there now. Right. I can't put you. Hey, 89, he's it. That means everybody before 89, 88 to 47. No, you're not a partner. So the only person that actually God can, that is threatening it will be LeBron.

Everybody else, you guys are just, you guys are second tier. That's good for me. I think the thing is for me, Gil. is that, and it's funny that you said that because Wilton numbers are never going to be challenged. Nobody's ever going to average 50 and 25. Nobody's going to average 44 and 27. Nobody's going to average 30 points and 23 rebounds for career.

Those rebounding numbers ain't nobody getting 55 rebounds in the game. That ain't going to happen. There's a step. 14.4 blocks for his career. Just throwing away. Yeah. But let's think about it. Gil, if they would have kept block shots,

how many triple doubles would he have had? I think we'd have had 400. No, no, no, no. He has 800 quadruple doubles. So, that's the thing, is that like, and then Kareem came along. And Kareem won six, he won six titles, went to 10, six MVPs.

He has the most MVP's. And he had a record that many thought would never be broken. I'm old enough to remember when he broke. record in Vegas. They played Utah. Because back then, the NBA wasn't like it was. So they took teams and put them in different places so different people could see them.

I'm old enough to remember when the NBA finals was tape delayed. Yep. That's how I go back. And I'm looking like, and they're right. No one ever been saying, oh, he's the best player ever. Because I remember, I remember Correed. And when he, well, not when he joined the Lakers, but when Magic got things. I mean, we, you know, we watched the NBA, mainly the Sixers, because the Sixers were really good in the late 70s.

Once they got the dock, they were going to the NBA fight. You know, they lost to Portland and Big Bill, Bill Walton. And then you had the Supersonics and then you had the Bullets. They changed the name because of the violence there. And so when Magic got there, now it's the Sixers and the Lakers. And so now this is, and the Celtics, because Larry Bird. And I'm like, and then it wasn't. Because we had never seen anything like Michael.

No, yeah, you're right. We had never seen anybody that could level his flair for the game and what he could do the, you know, and the tongue. See, the tongue hanging out. And then the best thing, the best thing and the worst thing to ever happen to everybody else, it's got to be the shoes. It's got to be the shoes, money. Yeah, it's, it took him to a, Gil, you know when you got a brand,

88. And you are the brand. That 80, like when people talk about like the goal and they say, oh, you know, he got six rings, just show you. 88, 89. That's it. When the shoe company took the wings off and put the logo on, that lets you know right there. Right? Yes. But sometimes I don't like talking like stats, right? When you talk about MVP's finals MVP's because now would Russell be considered a goat if he had 10 finals MVP or nine finals MVP's right he will be in a different category but that wasn't invented then right the finals MVP didn't come out until 1969 and Jerry West won it on a losing squad yeah that's what that's what I said

that was the first finals MVP right so it wasn't created until after he retired right right so you know what I mean so those are that's a category that he don't have towards rightality right you know when we talk about When we use these, these MVP's, finals MVP's, they don't mean anything. How did you play the game? Were you dominant? Did you change? So Shaq changed the game.

I was there. Yes. Like I was there when he was calling our big man's bombs. Yeah. How many of these bums you're going to keep putting out here? You can put them all. You can put all five centers here on the same court, and I'm running through all of them. I'm there.

We had to put a zone in where we had to put somebody in front, back on the side. Like, I wasn't there. Right. So what he's saying is he's putting a step in front. I know he's lying. Right. I know he's lying. Right.

They was drafting big man just to deal with him. Just for bodies. Right. You know, he's trying to be humble. Right. He's trying to be humble. But if you ever see a list that Shaq ain't on a five, oh, he gets offended every time. Right.

He created his own. Have you known that every time he creates a five, he's in it? And rightfully so. Yeah. But for Steph to Polvo, Corrine and to Polvojordan and to probe, let's just say Bron, Corrine, because I think most of the time when we do have this discussion is LeBron Jordan, Corrine, Corrine, Jordan, LeBron, Jordan, Corrine. Now, a lot of the young guys that play.

when you play, put Kobe in there. The young guys put Kobe in there. Yeah. But it's just, it's, but let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Jordan has six MVP, has six finals MVP, but he only has one MVP, regular season. Yeah, we still, hell yeah.

Because we don't know, because the NBA back then, right, think about it like this. From 90 to he retired. Shit, from 80, 87. Shit, baby. I think you won 80. I think you won, I think you won an 88, 89. I'm just saying, when was he considered the best player on the floor?

81, 5. I mean, he was like where the thing, Magic and Bird started talking. Although he didn't have the team because every year, I think it was like from, from 80, from 82, all the way to 80. it was basically the Lakers and the Celtics and the finals, with the exception of maybe one year, two years, it was the Sixers. But, you know, Magic 180, and then Burry won in 81, and then Magic 182, and then the Sixth was 83, and then Larry one 84, and then Magic 185, the Burry 1 86,

and then Magic 1,87, 88, and then Isaiah 1,89, 90, and then here come Jordan took it over in the night. And so everybody's like, well, if he's so great, why he can't break through? So they best reminded, they're blessed about it. I don't know he wouldn't got the magic potion. And once he broke through. So when we talk about the MVP, if he was the best player in the league hands down, no questions asked, right?

You giving him an MVP trophy or giving it to someone else don't make them better. Like, we know at some point you had to give it to someone. else, right? Knowing if he was the best player on the best team dominating the game, scoring title, this and this, he has six rings, how come he don't have six

MVPs? Right. Who, who, who, who, who, who deserved it? Right. You know what I mean? It needs to be like hockey. It needs to be like hockey. Grisky won nine, he won hard trophies every year. Mm-hmm. You saw Barry Barnes won with one MVP. If you're the best,

give him, I, don't get You should get tired of nobody wanting to step up and take it from him. I'm not, look, if I'm a voter, if I believe that guy's the best, I'm voting for him. I ain't going to get tired. And that's what it is. We get tired. Like, how does this guy's team's number one every year? He's averaging 37 every year.

And he's losing. Who is he losing too? Because they're not number one. You know, and so the MVP's and all that stuff, like, I, I, I, I have to watch how you played this game. What was your impact on it versus the statistical part? Because it's jaded, right? The voters, the voters are not watching every game.

Right. They're not watching every game. Aren't they looking at stats. Oh, he had 32% from the field. They don't say he got quadruple double. They don't say he got quadruple double. So we look at it. So my five is Jordan, LeBron, Cobb, Magic, Shack.

Okay, right? The only reason I don't have Kareem and him, I wasn't, I wasn't alive. Yeah. You know what, but I think you're going to test it this. Kareem is the greatest player that gets the least credit in anybody in NBA history. Hey, hey, hey, I don't know what he, ain't. And I don't know what he did to the reporters, but they do not like him. He was surly, he was surly.

He didn't, they didn't like him. That's why he doesn't have, no. Oh, so he was Russell Westbrook. He was very rough. He was worse. Okay. But here's the thing, Gil, until 1980, you know the players voted for the MVP. There was no riders voting for the MVP.

The players used to vote. Because the year in 61, 62, when Wille average 5025, Bill Russell won the MVP. That's also the year Oscar Robinson had the triple double. They say 61, 62 was the greatest statistical season. because Walt Bellamy and Elgin Baylor, they was like 3819. Jared Wes was like 30, 30.7 rebounds, 8 assists.

We know it. Russell was like 1922. Oh, that was wrong. They was rocking up numbers. But obviously, Russell won the finals MVP, and he won the regular season MVP. So back then, the players voted. So they're like,

nah man that ain't that man if we don't like somebody like ah nah we don't go do that that's the day too so so they took it they took it away from the fans from the fans uh the players and gave it to the writers so

it had been interesting to see now I believe I agree with you because you I don't know if they do they still have the players award because one year somebody won the MVP and then the players voted somebody else MVP that was the right that was the Curry Harden.

So Curry's first MVP, the players voted that that was Hardin's MVP. Right. So it'd be very interesting had the players continue to vote how many championships, how many MVP's would Jordan have? How many would Kobe have? How many would LeBron have?

It would be very, very interesting to see they will have more than they have now. Yes. Because, you know, when we look and say, Shack only got one MVP. You'd be like, how? Yes. Wow.

That doesn't even make any sense, right? And, you know, when you're a writer, I don't, you should, you should, your bad should be revoked if you are not voting correctly, right? You know, if, if you're sitting here and you got LeBron James and, you know, everyone voted, LeBron James is first team. And then someone has them as third team. Yeah. You should be, hey, hey, hey, what's up? And if this is what you're doing, we're going to pull us. Oh, you remember that?

That guy did that in LeBron. LeBron was one vote away from winning the MVP unanimous. Yeah. And the guy voted for Carmelo. Yes. And at that time, right, that's when you should say, hey, okay, you're not doing this fair. We're going to, we're going to take it away from you, right? We're going to take it away from that.

Thank you. Appreciate you. You're going to be on time about that. this year in following years. But that should, that should happen. Like, you shouldn't just have these guys just going in with their, oh, LeBron didn't get me an interview. He didn't get me interview this day. You know, I ain't go

voting first thing. He can't have that. But you, Gil, and I understand what you're saying, but they're human. I know. You, hey, you know somebody at one point in time, they give you your butt to kiss and now you get the upper hand, what you're going to do? You're going to turn

around the bed and don't give your butt and kiss right back. It's human. And people are like, you shouldn't, I say, bro, you have to understand these people are human. At the end of the day, yes, they have a job to do, but they're human. And they have feelings, they have emotions. And they're like, okay, I can't get you back any other way. But, you know, you might, hey, you might, you wish you had this all-MBA vote. You wish you had the MVP vote.

That all-star vote, hey. But you never know That's why I say you know You have to treat people accordingly Welcome Look who we got joined to the chat Hey Let me guess

Let me guess That's a fake road Right You got on fake road You get on here You get on here And we're fake Fake Rasachi

Nah Hey I love y'all man Gil What's up baby Hey what's up Man You're looking good

I was sleep I was sleep boy I was sleep I'm sorry You don't sleep what you sleep for You know Nothing before You wasn't sleep boy

Look, you just got from the club, baby? Nah, boy, I would not die. You do realize, Ocho, the only thing to come to sleepers are dreams, and you got to get up to make those happen. Yeah, wait, I got up for you, baby. I got, I got up for you. See, listen, y'all, hey, yeah, y'all talk on basketball talk, baby. That's not, that's not my lane.

You know, I'm trying to stay in my lane. I'm trying to learn the game. I've been studying a little bit. I'm not quite ready to jump on there with y'all, man, so I can talk about the game of basketball in depth. Well, I tell you what, just get the back seat. Gell and you just get the back team, just listen. Just listen and just chime in from time to time. Yes, sir.

Gil, Jemann, you said on your pod that Draymond is not changing. UD. Adonis Haslam just retired after 20 years says he wants to see Draymond be a mentor to these young players. At the end of the day, we're here to guide these young fellas in the right direction. Can you imagine me swinging on hero? I take a long walk on a short pier. I'd never forgive myself. The question is, Gil, you said he's not going to change, but does he want to collect the remaining

of that $100 million, or does he want to go home and say, I'm going to stand on business? It looks like he's standing on business. It looks like he's setting on business right now. But you know what? It's principles, it seemed like to those type of guys, right, has them, like he said it, he wouldn't be able to live with himself

if he hurts someone that he's supposed to protect. right. I think he's talking about the Jordan Poole situation in that. He's talking about him. He's hiding himself on protecting his teammates

from other wolves. And I think as a teammate, what Dremont did to Jordan Poole, it made him seem like he was an outsider. Because there ain't no goddamn way he's doing that

this step for Clay. His house is in a way he tried that shit. Nah. He ain't never played in the NBA game. Hell no. He made, hey, Ocho.

If he pumped his chest up, boy, He would have been in the third war. Mm-hmm. So I don't know. What happened with, do we know what happened in Turlingy with that situation? Did he say something about him personally? Yeah. Go ahead.

You would have more information about that situation than I would. Um, all right, here's a story. They were in training camp, right? So they were in training camp. And, you know, Jordan Poo got the second, uh, second squad. So when they're in Japan, it's about an hour, hour and a half ride to practicing back. So Draymond already started the draft. He already started the rough.

Like, you suck, your team suck. How can you be, how can you make this kind of money? You can't even get a win, right? He's going to, he ain't going to be Steph, Clay, Dray. You ain't going to beat the starting five. So he's just going at him. Hey, hey, are you going, right? He's just the whole training camp, right?

So Kerr had to pull him aside and say, you got to stand up for yourself. Come on, stop letting Dreyman treat you like a little girl out here. Stand up for yourself, right? So, you know, Jordan Poo, like, oh, okay. So they said Jordan Poole was in practice cooking. Boy, he was cooking shrimp and chicken that day, right? Hey, he's talking.

And he's talking at Dreymont. Hey, Dreymai, you're going to do some today? Or it's 30. It's 30 going to keep. carrying you. Is he going to be carrying you like a backpack? He said, you're an expensive accessory. You're like a Gucci

pack to 30. Traymond got the ball. It popped off to and got the Curry. I mean, Curry and Curry hit the three game. Right. Everybody cheering. See, there you go. 30 sage you again. Uh-huh. You got four rings off 30 back.

That was that day. The next day is when the hit happened. So Draymond, so Draymond, like most men do, we're going to do some child support shit. We're going to do some outside stuff. Yeah, yeah. Seeing his kids. So Draymond coming to practice already disgruntled. Right.

Looney already seen that he was on a different vibe, right? So Drayman's trying to find somebody to pick on. Who are you going to pick on? Who? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But the problem is Poole already since this. So Poole, hey, I'm good.

I already won yesterday, baby. I don't need those. Right, yeah, you're right, right. So if you look at it, Poole not even on the court. Pool ain't even on the court. Draymond's scoring. Where are you at now? Come on on on the court.

Come on on the court. Talk that mess a day. And like, I'm good, I'm good. And that's how that was. So it wasn't like Poole was going at him. That day, the damage was done yesterday. the day before. And that push, that push right there,

got him hit. But you know, but the thing is, Ocho, you know being in the locker room, that's a different type of machismo. Because first of all, guys in the locker room ain't going to let you walk up on them. Especially, especially, Giel, we can be disagreeing.

Man, F you, F you. You ain't going to do nothing. as long as you over there and I'm over here, we good. We good. But the moment I see you start to close the distance, I'm feeling some type of way. So now I'm getting into the mindset. If he gets within, hey, all I'm thinking,

if he gets within arms, if he gets within, I'm unloading. What? That's the only thing I think. No, sorry, no, so, Gil. Oh, yeah, I'm Pia and I. What's your four? What? Ocho, you with you?

I can see he got the muscles. Come on. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. We arguing. You over there, I'm over here. As you arguing, we argue it still, and you start to close the distance.

I'm never going to let you get up on me. I'm never going to let that happen, Gil. Yeah, your antenna's got to go up. My antenna's got to go up. I'm feeling some type of way. So all of a sudden, now, I start to feel a rush. Wow. Well, you all, see, that's that,

see, y'all got that juicy. No, no, no, the lock of the rule. Ojo, you better tell you. Ojo, you better to damn it. You got to know. Your antennas got to go up, especially if sometimes, even though it's a friend, even if it's a teammate, when someone invades your space when you're in an argument, your antenna's already got to go up and you got to be on your P's and Q's.

You got to. Especially in that situation when somebody is showing any type of hostility to you, you know, and they close that distance and they become, and what I like to call, in arm's reach or in arm's length. But it's go time. Oh, you tell me to hit you. No, I didn't say no. We don't expect to get hit. I just, I was at the strip club sucking on tithes with you.

No, no, no, you ain't going to hear me. I don't care what kind of argument we got in, baby. Right. No. So. Hey, let's keep it over there, Gil. You stay over there. I stay over there.

Hey, Gil, you suck. That I help you. You ain't going to do that. You're right. You're right. No, we got to get incentive. We got to put our shoulders next to each other. We got to sprint.

Oh, no. Oh, hell no. Hey, Gil, that's third grade. When you walk around the circle. Push me. We're still on high school shit. That's third grade, Gil. When you walk around the circle, do something, do something.

We got it off my shoulder. We ain't trying to hit this. I ain't going to hit that. I'm going to hit this. Now, he's right here we've done. Yeah. And you know, the funny, you can't let nobody walk up on you, Gil. The funny thing about it is you got to, you got to, like, you know, with coaches,

you got to know your personnel. When it comes to arguing, you got to understand the people you're arguing with. and you know how they move. You already know how they move and you know it makes certain people tick. And there's certain people who can argue with and you can get away with it. And there's certain people you know

if we get into it, I got to stand on business. I got to stand on business. If this individual gets mad, you already know what time it is. If a man tell you, Gil, if a man tell you to stop playing, just let that go.

Just let it go. Even if you're a bigger, hey, he said, man, stop playing. Let go. But like if you listen to Hassam, right? those enforcers, like, they are not putting their hands on players, so we're not expecting that. Jordan, no, no, no, but see that, but see, y'all, why are different?

Because, Gil, I'll tell you, see, if you're in the locker room and you get the argument and you let somebody close the difference, they're going to hit you in your face or they're going to throw your ass so hard on your back. You can say, how I let this man walk up on me like that? One of the others are going to happen. Gil, I'm telling you. No. You hit me in the locker room.

guess what? I'm not playing no more. I'm taking my ball. I'm going home. It's, hey, call me at my house. Either he's off the team or I'm off the team. That's how that moves. I saw two dudes, two of my teammates. They're both on the defense. And they have been going back and forth that walk through.

They just going back and forth, going back and forth, going back and forth. And he was standing in his locking, had his arm in his locket like this here. He said, yeah, you keep on. I tell you what, you ain't going to do nothing. Do a ran over there, hit him dead it, crack his hand. What are he hit him with? That helmet. Ooh.

He was standing in the locker like this here. He was just standing like this here. Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay. He just shaking, he's shaking. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay, sure. Mm-hmm.

And then his partner tried to. to jump in and then the other boy said, no, you don't want that. You don't want that problem. So you have to understand who, like, what you're saying? You got to understand your personnel because, Ocho, remember I told you,

everybody don't play like you play. No. Everybody don't play like you play. All that's, I know who to play. I know who to mess with, who to joke with, you know, blah. Hey, come on, Sean, let that go today, man. I ain't, okay.

Hey, man. I go here. I, Hachon. I go get right on somebody else. Yeah. You're going to be ready to bar? Because I got your, hey, just move that along,

Gil. But you don't let nobody close the distance on you, Gil. But I'm not, and I'm the jokester. I'm the one that I don't take none serious in the locker. I never felt, I've never felt threatened by a teammate. Like, I've seen fighting.

Like, our big man used to go at it. Right? And, you know, obviously, you know, we sitting there cheering at home. But other than that, we're too close. it's only, it's only, what, 15 of us, right? And most of us is like, we go in groups and clicks.

So our arguments don't really carry over to fighting like that. Like Hoopers is not like that, right? We don't, we don't really want to fight. We don't either. We don't even know if we can or not. Like, you know what I mean? We can go through a boxing thing, but we don't know if we can really throw a punch.

And that's the thing. That's the thing. I say, I tell them all the time, I don't know if I can fight, but you don't want to find out. Hey, I don't know. I don't. But don't you find out, no. So, hey, check this out. Smush Parker says, Colby never spoke to him in two seasons as a Laker teammate.

It was over, they asked him a question about Kobe. He said it was an overrated experience player with Kobe Bryant. He said he's tried to start a friendly conversation with Kobe about a football game the previous night. And Kobe said, you can't talk to me. You need more accolades under your belt before you talk to me. Damn. That's how y'all get that?

Say, wait a, we don't call them. We call the William H. Parker over here. Oh, what I mean? Come on, Gil. Hey, man. Kobe could get a man conversation. Hell, man, how you do? Hey, man, listen, Smush should be happy.

Kobe even allowed him to start. The man didn't start before Kobe. He was out of the league after Kobe. Kobe. That's Smush, right? Yeah. The one I gave in 62? Yeah, no, no, no, no, not. He lucky Kobe even said those

words to him. You just can't be talking to Coler Bryant. I don't know if you all, baby. Oh, Joe, see, that's what we're different. Because we thought to everybody to kick upon him. It don't matter. It don't even matter. Yeah, Kobe, Kobe was different, man. He was built

different. You can just, you can tell. When I heard the story about what Smush said, I can see that. I can see Kobe being the type, you know what, you ain't even done nothing yet. You ain't earned the right to even speak to me. And the fact that they had the cubicle right next to each other,

I can imagine Kobe not really speaking to him at all. Yeah, that's a, you'll be, you should be, he's going to be offended. True story. Lamar Odom called Cobb. Hey, Colb, hey, where's the, what's the name party tonight we're supposed to be going to, or the event?

They're supposed to do some charity event. The first thing Kobe asked, hey, how did you get this number? How'd you get this number? Right? And he was like, oh, what's the name? What's the name gave it to me? Hung up, called that person.

You're fired. Don't never give my number out without asking me first. Click. Then called back. Hey, yeah, we're supposed to go there around, blah, blah, blah. That's the time he was on. Listen, Kobe stood on business on and off the court. Hey, when I did that,

The next day, I went to our team and, hey, man, listen, if you do not make $5 million or more, you can't talk to me. You can talk to the person who make five to five can talk to me. But if you make under five, don't talk to me directly.

Hey, but, hey, and, oh, Joe, you know, NFL player, they had them kind of contract when we've been there wasn't a whole lot of $5 million players, especially when I play, basically the quarterback, with all the one making that kind of

Breed? Oh, man. Man, how are you going to talk about don't talk to you unless you make five big? Come on. Hold on. I got that. I got that high tech man. I'm sorry, y'all.

There we go. You good. I got the track. And I mean, I got, there you go. Love life. Let's talk about Luca. Lucas said he met his wife when she was 11 years old.

They just had a child together. He says, but there's no basketball talk allowed. when he's home. You're going to have to rephrase that. You're going to have to say when they were 11, because when you say he met him when she was 11, people were 11. They were both 11.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. They were both 11. I mean, no basketball talk. I mean, that's a good thing, man, right? You know, when you're at home, you're trying to be home, right? And if it works for them, that's amazing. Ocho, what do you say all the time? May, hey, whatever works for you and your marriage.

Yeah, everybody's different. You know, they have a set of rules when it comes to marriage and everybody tries to follow that specific set of rules. And it's not going to work unless you do it. You got to do what works for you. And obviously, listen, Luca playing basketball 24-7 and obviously for us, for athletes in general, when you get home, that's your peace.

that's your outlet, away from whatever your craft may be or whatever job you may have. And when you go home, that ain't what you want to do. That ain't what you want to hear about because you got to deal with it all the time. Well, damn, how is your day at work, baby? Don't ask me about my day. God, I mean, come on, Joe.

I mean, when Real come home, you asked, hey, Reel, how your day was? How many sale you had? I know you went on a couple tours today. You sell it, how many hours you said. You know, come on. Imagine, Real said, oh, baby, when you come home, don't ask me nothing about my date.

Don't ask me nothing about no real estate, about no houses, about nothing. How are you going to feel, Cho? Yeah, I ain't going to feel bad because it depends on how she feel. Because the stresses that might come with what she got to do, I don't want no part of that. And then when she come home, coming home is your sense of peace. That's your outlet away from all the bullshit. If you play football, if you play basketball, if you play any sport, you know when you go home, especially if you're married, you want your wife and your home to be a safe haven.

You don't want to come home to no bullshit once you're outside of the workforce. Okay, so did you have to set those rules before? You guys talked about that, don't you? Like, hey, when we get home, whatever we got going on, let's drop it outside. This is just us. Now, I ain't even had to say the rule you can tell.

You know, you got to know your people. You know your lady based on the energy when she comes in the house. You already know what time it is. You know something's already. bothering her that has to do it work. No, you already know. You already know. Listen, she could start a sentence and not can finish it before she even say anything. So you already know, all right, you know what, work ain't going to have should. So I'm going to take a different approach. I'm going to take a different angle and make sure I engage in conversation, but it's not having to do

at work. Okay. Hey, I'll get me a lady. She comes off at work and she's talking about I ain't feeling good. She's going to get a mean one. Come on upstairs. Because you got something on your mind. I'm going to take that around a little pop up your mind. See that, that, that. And then all of a sudden, she said, you know what, baby, I just had the best day. You know what?

That's what you got to do. That's what you got to do, Ocho? Mm-hmm. See, we y'all young boys, see, y'all need listen to them all, see you get y'all some game. Oh, yeah, I got like, I got like seven. So, you know, whoever.

And we're having the best day, Ocho, you can stay over there. Well, I ain't even got no type of problems. Yeah. Mariah. Mariah Mills, we all know who she was. She's the O.F. young lady that

were dealing with Zion Williams that put all of his business in the street. And she resurfaced and said she had some advice from Zion. Since you want to send you want to send your publicist to talk SHIT about me every freaking week, how about

you get on a treadmill? Speed three, level 12. Maybe you should lose some weight and then go for it like an hour too, second. How about stop drinking sodas. Free. How about practice doing three pointers? Everybody tried to try to see it.

You dunk all freaking day. Learn another move. It's getting bored and tired. You're tired and boring. Just like you were in bed. Damn. She came like that. Hey.

You know what? That might be the girl that he probably really need. Nah, hell no. Not as you don't put my business on the street. Hell no, I don't need you. but think about the jabs, right? Put it on speed three. Yeah.

12. She knows him. Yes. So that means most likely she was the one that was trying to keep him healthy. No, but she blew up the spot. Yeah, I would blow up the spot too. You got somebody else.

I'm over here with your fat ass and then you over here getting some, oh, no, but guess what? She's showing them wires. I'm going to keep my mind shut up. because probably to keep me from putting my business in the street, he's going to keep them things coming.

Because he don't want, he already got one. He don't want this other business in the street. So guess what? He's going to keep me on the hush. You know, hush money, that hush money good. Now hush money coming handy,

give. What's wrong with these women today? Man, they don't know. Hush money is the best money. You need to pay you no more. Thank you. The fear. The fear of you telling is what makes

me write the check once you tell I'm good. It's a rap. Yeah. I can figure. Yes. Uncle, we talked about that the other day now. We just talked about that other day. Everybody is loyal. Everybody is on

their peas and cues. Everybody is loyal until the situation is no longer beneficial. And then you will see someone true colors come out. Yeah. Because the opportunity that presents itself no longer beneficial. So I'm out.

Oh, Joe, well, you're talking to the black male king when I was a kid because I showed you, I dropped a dime on them. I tell her my sister, my aunts, my brother, they had to pay me dollar. Oh, $2 to keep this information hush. Or I'm going to tell Papa, y'all skip school. Hey, they skip school, Papa, $2. Hey, I know you told us to go down to Dairy Queen, but we made a stop. We stopped off and such and such.

Pay up. But you were snitching? You were snitching? You think I wasn't when I was? What, snitches, snitches get stitches. Hey, hey, hey, Ocho, we both go have to give them stitches because I can't do it myself. Oh, no. Stitches, get stitches.

I had Barney Porter. I had Barney Porter on speed dial. They ain't want to see Papa. Damn. I tell it. I tell granted, too. My sister, hey, my sister made me mad one time. I told granted, uh, Libychecks Bank out of school.

They were the Statesboro. Mm-hmm. Guess what? Money started flowing again. You started flowing. Money started flowing. Hey, hey, listen. I tell it.

Hey, the Anthony Edwards, man, listen. I wish I could talk to some of these ladies' bifold. Ladies, listen, if you're going to do it, do it right. Right? You got to understand when you got somebody by the Cajonis. Yes. I was her. I need $100,000 right now.

When I get in my car, I need another $100,000. When I get to the doctor, another $100,000. When they get an appeal, I need another $100,000. for me to put it in my mouth. I need another $100,000. My dad just got your $500,000. You know what he's going to do? Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They're going to have to do the Pio Gil because I don't think they go into the chop shop anymore. No, no, no. Yeah, that's true traumatic. They ain't doing that anymore.

So you got to give them, you got to give them that field. I don't know. What's wrong with these new NBA? Well, we got them on the road. We got them in our little bag with us. Oh, you got them in the bag? You got them in the bag? Plan B.

Oh, yeah, $50. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those in the bag with them. us. Oh. Yeah. That's my throwbacks. You know, we go to Miami,

probably had a little bit too much, probably slip up, got to clean your system before you go back to the girl. Oh, yeah, all day. Oh, okay. You see why the NBA players got like seven baby mamas, man?

Hey, we ain't know what man was. But y'all, y'all, you're living, living. Yeah, baby. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, I'm, you know what, look here, man. I'm just glad there was no social media.

Ocho, we might have been bad off, Ocho. Yeah, I call, I call social media on the back end. But I wasn't bad like that. Nobody really, nobody was really giving me no opportunity. You know, I was funny looking. I was funny looking while I were playing, so I ain't had to deal with none of that. But, Ocho, think about with the social, think about the access that social media opened up. Because remember when you first got into the league,

In order for you to know somebody was bad in Miami, you had to actually be there. Be there. Or to know somebody was bad in California, you had to actually be in L.A. Now, all you got to do is just go to your explorer page. Oh, you're in Colombia? Oh, you're in Brazil? Oh, you're in L.A.? You in Miami?

You in Atlanta? You in New York? Philly? Oh. Now we have Black men's magazine? Yeah. King, King, slam. King.

We get their booking number. Go ahead. booked them for a party. Yeah. I'm booked away. I'm about to be in Charlie. I got the $10,000 for a party, girl. But you have to, but also understand

the type of woman that that's going to be accessible to you. If a woman got a job, she's like, well, damn, I ain't going to be able to take out work. Now, are you going to pay for the day she missed? Yes. Or she's a farmer that works,

has her own schedule. She has her own schedule. That's easy. What type of women are you? talking about. The guy that they be talking to them O-Fs? No, all we know is we know, we know

Miami, Miami, cinnamon, spice. Oh, man. We only know strippers because that's, see, y'all got a different time schedule than us. See, we're done practicing about noon, one o'clock. Right. Y'all done that early?

Man, we started practice at 11. I better be out of that gym by one, right? So think about the women that are available to us. None. Not no ones that has careers. Right. So you got strippers that's going in there, you know,

going to get their little outfits for the night. By the time, you know, the real women. So you wear that over here to meet. With that outfit, you go wear the night, went out over here to meet. So we only dealing with slumlords. We didn't deal with no educated women. No. No, they at work

when we're playing. Okay, I got it. By the time, by the time they off work, we probably at work playing before the game. Then we're going to the club, but the strip club, they're going to sleep ready for work in the morning. So we don't get, we don't get those women. Nah, we know Bambi and them. Yeah. That's all.

Coco. Coming to the stage. Coming to stage number two is Coco. And we know how you look by your name. If you didn't have a name like Dacia or Miami. Oh, no. That's all we're looking for. Who name is Dacia in here?

Deja Vu. Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. London. Yeah. Woo. Yeah, you need Coco, honey. No, no, you got to have a name like Coco.

You got a name like honey. You got a name like Philemmas. Yeah. Everybody Mercedes. Nah, you should have called yourself, you go. You not know Mercedes. A Pinto. Nah, hell, no.

I don't know where you get that. Take that name for her. I don't know who gets. gave it to her, but she don't need to have that one. Uh-huh. More like an L-150, your name, L-1-50. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Rod A. 70 said, Gil, did LeBron's wife really break down film with him? Yeah. No, that's a true. Listen, that's a true story, man. When I went over at LeBron's house, I don't know if you heard that, I think, I think,

I think Richie Paul was on JJ's podcast when he was talking about this big gambling game we did. Yeah. Like when we were doing the playoffs, LeBron wasn't gambling. He was with him in Savannah, was watching film, breaking down tape on us.

And then, you know, I'm like looking like, oh, no, that shit ain't going to work because I don't like that play. Right? But the fact that that's what they were doing at a young age, because I went to coach like, man, hey, that's like a machine we're about to play against. We were better than them. He was smarter than us.

Wow. Like he was better prepared at an early age. No one, I didn't, he outsmarted us in that series. He was just smarter than all of us. We took, we took his gift for granted. We knew the athleticism. We didn't know he was tactical. Are you, Gil, you know, look, chosen one on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

We know the three straight, the, uh, the chance. championships in high school. Is he more or exactly what you thought he would be? Way more. Right. I mean, I didn't, I didn't think that, I remember my dad said, hey, you better get, you better get ready to someone.

There's a kid coming in by the name LeBron James. He's like a hurricane. There ain't nobody cared by no high school kid coming in. And then the first time I seen him, I was like, all right, okay. The athleticism was different. And then just, you know, being on the East Coast playing against him, I can just see it clicking faster and fast. So he had to guard me his first years where I was giving him that business,

but you can see it. Like, oh, man, by the time he's 20, oh, we're going to be in trouble. And this part, I didn't calculate. But watching him break down film and then watching them, I was like, oh, okay, he's going to be something to record. But I just didn't see. You didn't see you didn't see that he was going to take care of himself

and be exactly what he is today. He did. If someone said they're lying, they're lying to you. For him to be able to do what he does, because he missed a lot of the Bronys and Bryce and Zuri, he missed a lot of that because he needs to get his rest. He needs to train.

He needs to have the physio and to make sure everything. And he's at the gym getting up those shots. How important is it to have someone in your life that understands you, like Savannah understands Braun, and not say, I need some help with these kids. I've been there all day with these kids. Now, it's your turn now. Oh, no, no, no.

That's exactly what the other 99.9% of us get. I've been to all day with the kids here. Right? So the fact that they've been there from the beginning, the whole team, it's the same group from day one. They all knew the objective. And that objective, be better, if it was beat better than Michael Jordan, they all did they part. Right. So when we look and say, what has he sacrificed?

And we look at Brony and the family, he sacrificed being with his kids. kids right now. I mean, it's 20 years, 21. 21. 21 years. So that means, he didn't get to really be hands on with Brani. I was Brony's first trainer. Hey, Gil, what you think? What you look like? Hey, I'm, you know, I'm nervous for him, you know, you know what I mean? Because he's not there to really instill what he can into him, right? It's been from a distance. That's what he's sacrificed. right? So the fact that, you know, Savannah has really gotten these boys to where they are just shows you what type of stability he's had this whole time. Especially because she's made it abundantly clear. She said like some people want to start a business and some people want to do this. She says, all I wanted to be was a wife and raise a family.

So that means she gave up anything that she could possibly want to be outside of being a wife. and raising a family to sacrifice because she knew what he wanted. I mean, think about somebody giving up them. You know, that's like a mother and a father sacrificing for their child. But she sacrifices, sacrificed maybe what she wanted or what she could have achieved. So you know what, baby, I got them. Hey, you need, I got this. I'm in the carpool lane.

I'm going to pick him up. I'm going to be there. When they look up in the stands, they're going to see one of us. It's probably going to be me because I want you to be the best that you absolutely can possibly be. Now it gets to a point,

Savannah, what do I absolutely have to be there for Brony's first game? Considering what he went through this summer, the cardiac arrest, we don't know if he if and when he'll ever play again. I can't miss that.

Under no circumstances. All-star game, game one, I can't, I cannot miss that. Because I don't know, you don't get an opportunity to do the first again. To see your,

see your oldest play his first collegiate game. So now you understand because remember, Ocho, you know this. There's a great sacrifice. To be the greater the person, the greater the sacrifices that they've made. And there is no balance for greatness.

Anybody tell you there is they're lying. Mm-hmm. Go ask Vanessa. Go ask Juanita. Mm-hmm. George's first wife. Go ask the greats. I'm talking about the, I ain't talking about, you know, look, there's a lot of good players that are great.

But I'm talking about this, this, this pyramid. Ask them. Ask them. It's the one thing that I think as men, especially athletes, when we look at, you know, LeBron, Jane. and the Kobe's, Chris Paul, that woman that's, that understands them to a T, right? That is the other half of them. It's the envy. Like you started looking around at the girls you chose and like, man, what was I looking at?

Like, you know what I mean? Like it's like, what was I looking at? What was I chasing? Because what I was chasing wasn't it. This is what I wanted. Like my career would have been better. If I had that. Yeah.

Right? Like, you know what I mean? Like, if I had some guidance, some understanding, right? Alfred, not a Robin. I don't need someone else. They're trying to be a hero with me. Alfred, hey, everything is prepared for you to go be great. Right.

Come back hurt. I'll refix you. Going out there and save it again. That's what we're looking for. And I think that's what we, when we sit here chasing, we're chasing looking for that. And we don't know what it looks like, but when we do get it, we like, oh shit, hey, hey,

what's that, how are you doing? How are you doing? I love you. Cookie and magic. Now, I don't know. Hey, how many women you think would have rolled out given the same circumstances, Ocho? Shit.

Yeah. Listen, it take a special one. Yeah. Going back out there with them all thing that you were laying out, that you would lay in that, that you would lay. Yeah. You take a special one.

Take a special one. Look at Peyton Manning. Look at Peyton Manning. Now, you know, Ocho, you know firsthand how much Peyton time he put in film study. Yeah. Brady. Until she's like, you know what,

damn it. Man, you've been promising me for the last seven. eight years that you were hanging up. Yeah, man. We got you ain't going to stop. And I just, I just can't do it anymore. She went as long as she could.

Obviously, they're, their thing, you know, hey. But again, she had her own career. You got to realize she got more money than he does. Now, maybe she's like,

well, a lot of some of the things I did stop, I did sacrifice for you, for the, you know, to start a family, to raise the family. But, Baten's a boom. She's like, nah, but hey, have a laugh.

Man, Brett. Brady, God, that man, see and see, the man, Brady's selfish, man. That's that white privilege right there. Yeah, you gotta be selfish. It'll be great. All the broke girls are undated, you're telling me someone makes more than me and I'm not going to stop. I'm done.

Take my teeth. Have them. What are you talking about? Oh, Cho, you, excuse me. me, Gil, you suffered the same thing that I suffered because I didn't want the girl that wanted me. I wanted the girl.

And so when you choose somebody, choose the girl that wants you, not the girl you won't. Because the girl that you won't ain't going to be the one. Yeah, no, that's facts. You have to live, you have to live, you have to live and learn.

And when you, when you, look, man, you, you don't know any better. You're not even, you're not even thinking. At that point in time, you're like, man, I should have married this. what I should have just in my college and then that didn't work out.

Or somebody, because we all say this, I'm gonna get somebody that knew me without I didn't have anything. I had this own raggedy car. I didn't have no indoor plumbing. And they know what it's like the sacrifice and be there for me. Then if that doesn't work out of guilt,

then where do we go? Because the one that we thought, you know, it's like, It's like, oh, Joe, it's like, well, you know, if the whole, if the, the high school or the college sweetheart doesn't work, well, damn, even if you, even if you're the seventh round, if you're on an NFL team, you're in the NFL. It ain't like, you know what I'm saying, hey, you're in the NFL. It's not like, you know, well, you know, you work around the building. Right. You're actually in the league.

So whether you're a seventh round pick or a first round pick, hey. Are you that sharp to play for the Broncos? Now, it's a whole different story. Too late now, Ocho. Yeah. It's hard. Let me ask you this, Ocho. What type of Christmas gift should you expect from your girlfriend when you're rich

and what type of gift should she expect from you? Let me see. What type of gift should I expect? First, I expect a gift. I expect her to give me a gift. Hold on. This is the key. I expect her to give me a gift with her money.

Not money I've given her. Right. So I expect a gift from her money. And for me, what I like, the things I like is, I'm very simple. I'm very simple, especially on Christmas. A day like that, give me shades. You know, I love shades. I love me some shades.

you can never have enough socks, tank tops, and white T's. And I got to, I love Dickies. And I'm throwing this out there now. She probably already know it. I want Dickies. I like Dickies. Give me Dickies and I'm good. Hell, it sounds like you go into prison.

You want the carmel. That just, that's just, that's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, that's. Yeah, that's what I like. I mean, you got to remember, I'm from Miami now. I'm from Miami. That's that is, I mean, Dickies, Dickies is our. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's to go to if you if you're just relaxing you're going you're going somewhere you're throwing a pair of dickies that's Dickie white tea tank top yeah like you're about to do a like you about you're about like you about to do a dime.

Hey, for a bit. You got to do a beer, bro. You're shopping at a sloths and swap me. Hey, I tell you what, I'm going put some ramen on your books for you. I'll make sure you straight. I ain't going. I ain't going nowhere. I ain't going nowhere.

Okay. What type of gift should she expect from you? Oh, shit. You know, I cast them his, I cast them hints throughout the year. Oh, do you? Yeah, I cast them hints throughout the year. You know, they've seen your picture or you got to pay attention to something. She'll say while we're out somewhere or she'll point to something while we're in the mall.

Yeah, they didn't hit you with that. You like, oh, you like this? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't turn to the page. You did. So clearly you like it. Mm-hmm.

You're right. You're right. I don't want to, I want to say nothing because she might be in the chat, but I'm locked then. I'm ready for the 25th. Yeah, I'm lying. I'm ready for the 25th. What do I expect? Man, I'm a man, look here, man.

At this juncture. Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Come on. Bring it back. Bring it back in. How are you going to expect something and who are you expecting it from? Because I thought you were single. No, I'm saying.

I thought you was in the portal. Did you listen? I'm a free agent. Okay. You know, I was, hey, I'm about to take a few visits, though. Hey, what you? I said, but what would I expect? I'm expecting less than you, Ocho.

I just want to, hey, just give me a, they don't, give me a card. I want a card. Hell, no. Hell no. And for all I've been, all I've been doing the past 11 months, walk up with a car. We're done, be done.

I promise you, whatever she, whatever she, whatever she gives me is not going to be the equivalent of what she's got in the past 11 months in 24 days. Right. I promise you that. Now, what I have gotten, Diamond Rolex and, no, I've gotten them. I hadn't received that.

Oh, oh, okay. Diamond Rolex, big, you know, big diamond earrings, purses. I mean, whatever. A lot of times they say, hey, I want the cash. Okay, no problem. Because I would prefer to give someone cash because I want them to get. exactly what they want. Okay, I like that.

Because nothing makes me feel worse. And you know when you've gotten a gift that they don't really like. They happen to you before? Yeah. You got a woman a gift and she didn't like it? Yeah. She didn't say she didn't.

You could tell her body language. You could tell her. Yeah. Yeah. What was it? I don't even want to say Say it Say it

We ain't gonna laugh Nah It was no Hell nah Nah Oh boy We got them cussing Yeah

Y'all about to give me I forget I'm in a lie And I'm lying I'm about to start cussing up a store We have But let's just say I spend 15 bands on it

Oh my God Oh hell Man I'm gone Oh what Spent 15 She got 15,000 and she had the nerve to not like it? It's all good, Ocho.

Oh, no, hell, no. Hold on a, hold on. Boy, you don't woke me up now. I'm up now. You know, woke me up. So ungrateful, selfish. Anybody that's ever dealt with me, I'll tell you. That's my pet peeve number one.

I hate ungratefulness. I hate it. I hate it. That's why that's why. I hope you I broke up after that. I stayed a little while longer. They wasn't going to A, Nazi. The devil is a lot.

That's the problem. That's the problem. Because we naturally judge. When we say we're not going to judge you, we're judging you. If I'm spending $15,000, $30,000 on you and you getting me a card, I mentally have put you in a whole different category, right? Because I'm making you feel special. if you don't have no money,

make me feel special. Like, make fruit loops from scratch. Do something. Like to make me feel special. Right? Right? Like, you go out there and give me a car.

Do something that. No, you can do myself. Hey, just call me. Say, hey, girl, where are you at? I'm in the back seat. Okay, I'm old away. That's good for me. I'm, oh, Joe.

I'm good. I, see, that's the thing. Ocho. See, the different. between men and women. If a man tell you, if I tell you, you ain't got to get me nothing

and you don't get me anything, I mean exactly what I say. If a woman tell you ain't got to get us something, don't you bring your ass in the house without getting us something for a birthday or Christmas or about. Man, you,

you're asking for a fight. Now, if I say don't get me something, get me something because the other girls is getting me something and I'm going, I'm judging. Right, you got, hey, I don't even, I let them know. There's competition always.

I treat relationships like the NBA. Hey, they can always be a sub. Hey, we subbing over here. So we subbing over here. I'm acting like I'm 20 years old. We summing up here. You got franchise. You got a franchise.

You got a max player. Uh-huh. Face of the team. Yeah. And then you got, you know, some auxiliary players. Yeah, we got some road players. You know, they come in for special. Yeah.

Come in and play some D. Damn. I got some three and Ds. Yeah. Oh, Joe? Yeah. Yeah. I don't do this no more.

I got to do it for us. I never was able to do it because that comes with a price and you got to pay to play. Yeah, I can't do it. I ain't got that kind of bread. I ain't had that kind of bread, Gil. Hold on. Hey, I'm a pay to play all day.

Are you better than me? Hey, because what you're paying for, I can get for free. So I'm going to go ahead and save my little, I'm going to save my little change. Yeah. Okay. I don't want the headache comes with it. Yeah. I don't like the headache that comes with free.

Right, right, right. So you basically playing, you're paying for no problems, no headaches, no questions. It is what you, hey, you understand your role. You understand why you're brought on the team. Play your role or I'll find someone else to feel it. Yes. Listen, I act exactly like no chill, right? You can get replaced.

If you argue, there's someone who don't. So why am I messing with your? your mess, right? If I'm paying your rent, I'm paying her rent, you argue she don't, goodbye. Mm. Yeah. That much, see, A, also, see that why we can't complete with the movement. Yeah, I can't. I can't play, I can't play multiple rents. I can pay two people rents,

mine than one of us. I can't pay two, three, four, five. Oh, no. Hey, as it did, they play by a different set of rules, and it's a different, game. Ocho, before we go in for other, Ocho, I will say we did it. We've officially hit 500,000 subs, halfway to a million. Congratulations. Thank y'all.

I appreciate y'all. I love you. I woke up out my sleep for this. You woke up about your sleep for this. You know, I got a robe on. I don't ever come on. This, this, you know I was sleep. I got a rope on.

Bro. I appreciate, I love y'all. I love y'all. You do realize I got, I'm hosting first take tomorrow. I'm filling in for Stephen A. This is the funny thing about it. it. You hosting first take and you still ain't bringing me on and you're the head

you're the main man for the next two days. Let me ask you a question, on Joe. Yes, sir. How many times if I worked at any job and I field them for the boss, you think I can go out and hire somebody else? Yeah. Yeah. When he comes back and say, you know what, I hired two people. If he is giving, if you're the main dog, if you're the

chief for the next two days, therefore you need to act like the boss. Well, you know what I got a plus one I want to bring with me. What you're doing to me? is you're acting like you on college at goddamn orientation. Orientation is over. Your foot is in the goddamn dough. Invite you, boy. No, no, my foot's in the door.

I ain't in the door. My foot's in the door. I got to get all the way in the door. You all the way in the door because if you weren't all the way in the door, he wouldn't be having you take two days while he's off doing whatever he need to do. No, he and they, first of all, Stephen A had to agree to this. Dave Roberts, who's Jimmy, uh, uh, uh, Burke Magnus,

Jimmy Pittaro, and Bob Iger. Man, Bob, them know me? They, we good. They're my, excuse me, I almost say it something. They're my people. I mean, I appreciate

Stephen A and all the people that I just named having confidence that I could do this. Well, you need to have the confidence to let them know that I can do it too. He acting like, like they ain't got no Zoom call. They can Zoom you in.

No, no, I don't want to Zoom. I'm trying to be on set. Yeah, I can catch a flight. I bet I can get there before 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. You get here before 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. We're going to be long gone. We hold from seven and nine. Listen, just work your magic for your boy, man.

I'm trying, Ocho. Ocho, see, you the type of guy that I get the job. You know, I'm working at Foot Locker Gil. Yeah. And I get there, what, two days. And he already asking me to send a box. One's a box of shoes I signed for me. Bro, I just got in.

Let me get here. Can I get the manager status? Let me get the manager status. I said everybody on schedule, then I'll be able to hook you up. But why? When you get a discount as soon as you get the job? Give me your discount.

You get them talking about? Thank you. Thank you. Hold up. Who you say? Who you say getting a discount? When if you get the job, you get a discount, give me that one.

I come in at $2.48. Let me use your discount. Yeah. But see, you have. You have to understand how I came in. I didn't come in under the greatest of circumstances. Yeah. First of all, you're number one right now.

What are you talking about? Yeah. And the funny thing about it is you ain't just bringing anybody on. You bringing somebody that's going to move the needle when he on there with you. It's a different. It's a whole different ballgame. And I'm sure Bob and Jimmy and whoever else understand that dynamic. Burke.

There shouldn't be no issues. Burd Roberts. Yeah. Burr. Yeah. Burr. Yeah, Burke. Of course.

Burk. Burr, Hall at your boy. I lost your number. Not Burke. Burke. Burke. Yeah, I said Burke. I said Burke.

I lost his phone number. Like Ernie and Burke. Ernie and Burke. Yeah. No, Burke. Burke. Burke. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Burke. Yes. Yes. So, Ocho, can I get in? Let me get.

You in. Okay. Okay. Since I can't come and just give your boy a shout out tomorrow then. Just give your boy a shout out. You know, like the DJ, like the DJ. Yeah, like the DJ, when the DJ walk in the club and so-and-so, so-and-so ahead of night.

Yeah, yeah, I see my boy over there popping bottles. Oh, Chuck. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just see me a little shout-out on TV. I'm going to be watching. I'm going to record it so I can show my kids. So I want to make sure, thank you guys. Make sure you hit that like button.

Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Nightcap, you've done a great job. Let me go back down here. I got to pull my dog up, my special guest on Wednesday night on nightcap. Make sure you hit that like and subscribe button to Gills Arena channel. It's on YouTube. Make sure you like. Make sure you subscribe to Gills Arena channel.

Monday show airs Monday through Thursday live at 11.30 a.m. 2.30 Pacific time. Am I correct, Gil? Yes, sir. 11.30 a.m. Pacific to 2.30, that's 2.30 Eastern Time. We've also penned to Shebao Leportier at the top. Make sure the holidays are right around the corner, guys. Make sure you go grab a bottle for you or a loved one. And again, thank you. Thank you so much for helping nightcap reach officially have a millet. Ocho, we got to do something special. We had a million, Ocho, we got to do something special.

Oh, I got something for you all? What are we going to do? What's it? I heard you like, was it Miss, was it be nasty? Hey. I'm about to send her in one of her friends right there you all on me.

There we go. That's what her fees, but, hey, hey, get your, hey, get your, hey,

you need your grandpa, you need your grandma covers on the couch when she come in town. You got to get ready to shake them covers, boy. Yeah, I'm going to get a couple of it.

Hey, man. They just hit five. I'm going to be going to be gummy right now. Go and build my muser. I'm going to be gummer right now. One more for good measure. KM production says, don't listen to Ocho. He's trying to get you fired on your day off.

Nah. Well, it actually was supposed to be my day off. Wait, listen, if I get on there, you ain't getting fired, but you're going to get a raise. I'm going to make sure you get a raise, man. You do, I mean, I mean, obviously, like I said, over the last four months, Stephen A and I have become very, very close. But for him to trust me to says, okay, hey, big boy, can you do it?

And for the bosses to reach out and says, hey, we want you to do this. Obviously, it means a lot. And knowing, because I was like, oh, man, I'm like, man, I'm like, man, I got, I got nightcap Wednesday. And you got me to do Thursday for, I got night camp for Thursday. And I got Club Shaysay. I'm taping Club Shashay tomorrow at noon.

So by the time I get from down, you know, get downtown, eat, I got to head over to the spot and do a taping. But you can ask God to give you something and then complain about how much you put on your plate. You say you was hungry. That's what you say, Hancho. we said we were hungry we wanted this.

Yeah. We cannot complain now about how much you're giving us to eat. I like that. Mm-hmm. And so that's what, hey, that's what I'm going to do. Gil, we had someone in the comments that says, Gil, who's on your Mount Rushmore for the Lakers? For the Lakers?

Yes. Magic got the one, Cobb, LeBron, Kareem, and Shaq? Well, I mean, you got to start in five. We just wanted four, but we'll let you put five. Then Shaq. Man, you're showing a poker, re. The man just fell in the concert, and he still can't get no love.

I'm just one more person disrespecting him, hey? I just got in line. I ain't doing it. Ocho, Corey Higg says he tried the urine treatment on his ankle, and he can now dunk. I told you. I told you. All you got to do is heat it up, man.

Something about the toxins. in the urine that absorbs all the swelling and anything in there, man. It just had you back to normal in two days. I'm good. I don't want to be normal. I don't want to be normal. Life lessons asks, who's more athletic? Football players or basketball players?

What do you think, Gil? That's a good one. That's different athleticism. I think overall, like, jumping ability up and down, I think football players. Yeah. Like when it comes to just max Verding, it's football players. Yeah, I think we're more,

I think we're more athletic. What'd you think, Ocho? Man, hoopas, I mean, hoopas got bounced, man. Yeah. It's some hoopas that got bounced. But I think, I mean, I mean, it's different types,

it's two different type of athleticism and movements in general. Right. Damn, that's crazy. I probably say football players, especially based on the position you play. Yeah. I agree.

I think it's football players also. Thunder clap, what position? Gil, they're asking you, Thunder clap asked, Gil, what position would you play in the NFL? Who's the dude that's right next to the Gatorie thing? Is that the water boy? Yeah. That equipment guy.

Hey, I'm not going out there getting hit. You see how hard they're in? No. I got, I play Pop Warner, play for the East Valley Trojans, tried a quarterback sneak, I woke up as a basketball player, knock my helmet off and everything. I'm good in this sport. Okay. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, thank you. That's a good one.

Funny story. Jalen Dorsey and said, funny story, Monday night, my girl yelling in her sleep, had my heart rate about 200, 200 beats per minute. I could hear my heart pumping, just had to ask, have y'all ever heard people around you sleep, sleep talk or sleepwalk? Yeah. Uh-uh. Right, I'm sleep, I'm sleep.

You ain't never heard anybody talking to sleep? Man, when I'm sleep, I'm asleep, I'm asleep. The fact that I was able to answer that phone call and you woke me up. I don't know how I don't need it, but. I'm a light sleep. I'm a light sleeper, though. Gil, you ever heard anybody sleep, sleep talk, sleepwalk? No, I've never heard anybody's sleep.

I've never heard anybody sleepwalk, but I heard people talking to sleep. Oh, serious? Nah. Yeah. No, I'm sorry. They don't usually spend the night, huh? Yeah. I don't usually spend night, no.

Bad. KLB 89 says, Ocho, I'm shooting my shot. I'm a wedding photographer and a damn good one. I want to photograph your wedding. You love saving money. I'm doing it for free as a fan. How do I get in touch?

P.S. love the show. Hey, boss man, anything having to do with the wedding that's on the misses in. So you would have to send her a message. She will respond, especially for something as important as that. And saving money, you know, her and I are on the same page. So she will respond to you if you send her a tweet. And I'm sure she will oblige. I appreciate it, though.

Oh, Joe, I want to thank you for, I don't think you would sleep. I don't think you will sleep. but I appreciate you coming on. Listen, if I wasn't sleep, I wouldn't have on my robe. I jumped out the bed, hook my computer, hook my laptop up, put on my robe and put on some glasses just because I knew I had to pay that that mass a damn robe. Well, I couldn't, I mean, I trust, me I was sleep.

I couldn't, I couldn't thank everybody for $500,000 without you. You're right. You're going to look. You're right. You're right. Well, listen. I mean, shit, you're leaving me your first take. Sure, you did that.

Without me? I'll tell you what, I tell you what, when we do three quarters. in a milly, I will let you have it. You're going to take the whole show by yourself. Wait, what? You're going to take nightcap. You got nightcap all to yourself. Whoever you want to have all.

You have REL, you have REL, you have the kids. I'm going to let you have it. Wait, when we hear what? When we hit what, though? We can hit either $750 or a meal. I'm going to let you have it. Oh, let me tell REL. We go, I can get the 750 by next week.

Don't do that. What, I'm just saying? You got it. You can have whatever guess, hey, you set the line up for the gas, whoever you want to come on. Matter of fact, speaking of the guest, I saw Moneybag Yo say he want to come on as a guest, man. When? It's on him. So we got his 751st, right?

Yep. Okay, bet. Bet. Yep. I got it. I heard it. But we are, but we are, you know, we're trying to get some things together for, you know, that big trip we got. We got a big trip.

Oh, you talk about over there with a spear at? The spear, the spear, okay. Yep. I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's get, let's get Denzel. Let's get Denzel. I don't know if Denzel going to be there.

He'll show up. I mean, he does like sports. Yeah. But I don't know that, you know, we got to keep it strictly sports and then let him log off before we go into the other stuff. Now, he would be good on life's lessons about discipline, about sacrificing, And so it would be interesting to him because Paulette, what Pauletta would call it Paulette, Washington, she sacrificed.

She was a classic pianist, pianist, you know, John David, which is his oldest son. All of them are in the business. They work in some capacity, either in front of the camera, behind the camera. I think John David is really the only one that's in front. I think the others are behind the camera. So it would be interesting to see a career that span four decades and to how he was able. I mean, if you know them, you know her,

but she never, like, for whatever reason, she's like, okay, baby, you go do your thing. I'm going to hold his house down. I'm going to make sure the kids have X, Y, and Z. You go ahead and build this empire. Takes a special type of person to do that, Ojo. Yeah, it does. Yes, it does.

Thank you for joining us for a special edition of Nightcap Basketball. I want to thank Gilbert Arenas for joining us. Make sure you click, hit the like button, subscribe, hit the subscribe button. We are now officially 500,000 subscribers on nightcap. We could not have done it without you. Make sure you like and subscribe to Gilles Arena channel. It airs Monday through Thursday, live at 1130 a.m. Pacific time, 2.30 p.m. Eastern Time.

We've also pinned Shabal Laporteur at the top of the chat. The holidays are right around the corner. Make sure you go ahead and order your seat. yourself a bottle or for someone that you love. And your boy got to get to bed because you got to get up early tomorrow because your boy got a host, first take. Me and the crew, I don't know who's going to be on there with me, but we'll have a great time.

What you're going to do soon as first take start tomorrow? What you're going to do? I was like, hey, how y'all doing? I haven't been on TV at a long time, so I want to say, Ocho, can I get, you know, can I get here? Can I get here? Can I mean, can I get in? like, I mean,

oh, have mercy. So you just want me, so you see what I'm saying, and soon as I get, the soon as I get, I just got the job at foot locker. He already wanted me to sit and say, a pair of shoes aside.

Soon as the man just give me the jersey. Have you ever seen that? I used to work at footlogger. Soon as you, soon as you started for locker, you get a family discount. That. You get a family,

you have a family discount. As soon as you won't first take tomorrow, I need to hear. I need to hear. Ocho, I know you watch. I love you, baby. I'm going to get you on here one day. That's all.

I don't know you watching. I know you watching. Oh, I'm going to be up because I'm going to be waiting on that shot out. I'm going to record my TV and I'm going to tweet it. I'm going to tweet it out. If you, if you, yeah, that's my boy right there. That's my boy. Yeah.

I appreciate you guys. It's time to call it tonight. Gail, thank you for joining this Wednesday on Nightcap, the special edition, basketball. As only you can do, appreciate your insight, the lessons, the stories. Ocho, nightcap,

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