The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Mahomes & Purdy Lose, Bengals Are Back

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson have a passionate debate over whether Russell Wilson deserves credit for the Broncos upset win over Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. Then they get honest about Brock Purdy, get excited about Cowboys-Eagles next week, and test Chad's vocal cords after Flavor Flav’s odd national anthem performance causes Chad to make a bold claim about his own singing abilities.  #Volume #Herd #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us again for another episode of Nightcap. Please do not forget to click that subscribe button. Therefore, you're caught up. You'll know when all the latest news and information that originates from Nightcap will be released. And you'll also know every time we go live. So please do not forget to click that subscribe button. Welcome to another edition of Nightcap. I'm your favorite unc Shannon Sharp.

He's your favorite number 85, Cincinnati Bengals legend, Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. Congratulations to the charge. We're going to get right into it, Ocho. Congratulations to the charges. They beat the Bears 30 to 13. And because that game was not very, very interesting,

let's go ahead and get into it. Because we have a lot of games that we got to get into it tonight. Yeah. The Kansas City Chiefs go on the road, lose to the Denver Broncos, 24 to 9. What was one of your takeaways?

A couple of your takeaways from this game, Mocho. Well, first off, I would like to give a shout out to Russell Wilson. I think you should give Russell Wilson his credit as well. I'm waiting to say it. Russell Wilson did a good job. Russell Wilson beat the Kansas City Chiefs. Can you say that for me real quick? No, I want to make sure.

So I'll let you go, son. So I'm going to make sure I'm hearing you correct. Yes, sir. The Denver Broncos defense ranked 34th, 31st and points allowed. 32nd and yards allowed. They took the ball away five times. Patrick Mahomes had never lost to an AFC road opponent. Yeah.

He had a 16-game winning streak. Yeah. He scored nine points. A team led by Patrick Mahomes scored nine points. And your takeaway, a guy that completed 12 passes. That was your takeaway, Russell Wilson. Can I ask you a question? No, no, no.

I'm just asking. I gave you the floor, Ocho. I gave you an opportunity. So now go back. Go ahead. Listen to me. When a team loses and when a team wins, when a team loses, it's the quarterback's fault.

And the quarterback gets most of the blame. So what you want to do is you want to run off everything that the defense did. And what Patrick Holm didn't do and not give Russell Wilson his credit. I'm asking you, so your takeaway, a team that, a team that, a defense, that's 31st, 30 seconds in yard, took the ball away five times. a team. Now, mind you now, a Patrick Mahomes team, the last time that he did not throw a touchdown in the game

was almost two years ago. And so your takeaway was Russell Wilson. I got to complete a 12 passes. That's all I'm asking. Did they win the game? Yes. But your take, no. So in other words, are you saying,

oh, wait, wait, okay, okay. So what you're telling me right now, right? So what you're saying is the points that the Denver Broncos scored offensively. Are you taking that away from Russell Wilson? I'm not taking, Ocho. The past, the. Ocho.

Jerry, Judy, Scro. Ocho. I'm asking, see, you're not listening to what I'm saying. So you're saying your biggest takeaway from the game was Russell Wilson. Yeah, Russell. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Russell Wilson. I asked, I said, Ocho, what would your biggest takeaway from this game? Give me your one or two takeaways.

And you said Russell Wilson. You know what? They won the game. This is the same Denver Broncos that Miami put 70 up on, right? Yes. Right? The defense. Yeah, this is.

same defense. So how many points did the defense give up today? Nine. So let me ask you a question. Yeah, who's the best quarterback in NFL? Patrick Mahomes. And they, Patrick Mahomes had never lost a road game to an AFC of West opponent. Yes. He had won 16 straight against the Broncos. And your takeaway from this game was a guy that completed 12 passes. Exactly. I'm giving them Craig because they won the game. Because we've been killing, not me. The media has been killing Russell Wilson for them not playing well.

Him and Sean Payton not jelling well offensively. You do realize that Russell Wilson took six sacks. Wait, wait, who took six sacks? Russell. Oh, so we blaming Russell for him getting sacks. Ocho, I don't think you understand when your takeaways. If they had gotten to a shootout, they had won the game 4330 and Russell out-dued Patrick Mahomes,

I'm not saying you don't give, but your takeaway from what, that defense that took the ball away from Patrick Mahomes kept him out of the end zone for the first time in a touchdown pass for almost two years and your takeaway of us because the media. Yes. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with?

It sounds like to me you're doing everything to discredit Russell Wilson. Ocho, I'm not. Stay with me. Ocho, I'm not discredited. But nobody that watched that game left that game saying that Russell Wilson is back to being Russell Wilson,

that Russell Wilson was the reason why they won the game. Nobody's doing that, but you, I get it. If you want to give Russ credit, if you want to cape up for these players because you're an advocate for the player, I got no problem with that. But if you left this game with a defense that was dead last, or next to last, and points and yards allowed,

and they kept Patrick Mahomes out of the end zone, and they took the ball away from him five times, if you took, if you left this game saying, Russell Wilson is great. Can I ask you a question? Sure you can. They took the ball away from five times. How many of those turnovers

equated to off into touchdowns by the offense for the Broncos? How many of those turnovers? Yes. Remember how many of those turnovers? Who accounted when the defense took the ball away five times? How many times no turnover did the offense score? The offense scored 24 points.

Off the five turnovers, right? Hold on. How many points did they score off those turnovers? Russell had, Russell had three had, uh, Russell had, uh, three touchdown passes, 114 yards. So out of the five turnovers, three of those equated the 21 points because of who? Well, I think the opening drive, I think when they got the ball, I think they stopped Kansas City and they went down and scored. So I know at least, at, I'm going to say at least, let's say 17.

Let's say 17 of the 24 points they scored came up, came up a turnover. Okay, 17 and 24 points. So the defense got five turnovers. Russ Wilson, the count of a 17 points of the five turnovers. Yes. Who won the game again? The Broncos won. Who?

Ocho. You're not going to discredit. Russell Wilson or what he was able to do today? Ocho. Don't do that. Ocho. We're not paying. In this moment, we're on here to critique and analyze.

We're not failing. We're critiquing. Okay. Let's critique and analyze. Okay. Let's critique and analyze. The Bronco and defense had a hell of a game. They did something.

Wow. That's not what you look. with. Bronco's defense had a hell of a game. Okay. But let's say, let's say, we can't say last thing. We got to deal with what we got. Let's deal with what we got. Out of the five turnovers, what happens if Russell Wilson doesn't capitalize

and doesn't get those 17 points? Okay, since we're doing hypothetical, what happens if Patrick Mahomes doesn't turn the ball over five times? Since we're doing hypotheticals. You know what? You know what? You know what? No. No. You're not going to give Russell Wilson his credit. But he's going to get it tonight. Ocho, in this moment, I ask you your big takeaways is not about, so let me.

I said, listen, your biggest takeaway was the fact that the Broncos defense took the ball away, had five turnovers, and there's something that. So I'm just going to make sure I'm hearing you correctly because I want to pin you down on this one. So you said Russell Wilson was more impressive than the Broncos defense. No, the Bronco's defense. It was very impressive, especially, listen, let me stay with me. Stay with me. because I want to leave with the quarterback

that everybody had been crushing. I want to leave with Russ. That's why. Ocho, we're not fans. You're paid to analyze the game. I'm analyzing the game. I'm analyzing the game. Ocho, do you realize what you just said?

You said the Broncos defense was more impressive, but you said the Broncos defense was impressive today, but Russell Wilson led drives that equated to 17 points of the 24, that they scored off the five turnovers. Russell, Nick Bortano pressured Rushed Rooms eight times. Barron Browning, slacked him. Going into the game,

he had only been sacked like six times. Five times. He got sacked three times today, including a script sack. I'm not saying Russell, he looked more decisive. When it wasn't there, he took off. Yeah, he took six.

sacks, but I'd rather him take a sack than put the ball in harm's way. Kudos. Russ did not turn the, Russ, I don't think he turned the ball over today. That's fine. But you can't say your biggest takeaway. That's like saying now, if you want to. You can't

do that. You can't tell me what my biggest takeaway has to be just like yours. My biggest takeaway, you know what? The defense played well. The defense played well. You know what? But my biggest takeaway was when they got the ball back, when the Broncos, when it mattered most,

Russell Wilson, Jerry Judy were able to execute the offense and put up 17 points of the five turnovers that make sure they won the goddamn game. Yes, they... Okay. You're right.

You know what, Ocho? That's your biggest takeaway. Thank you. You wanted the Cape for Russ because you feel the... I'm not... What, Kate? I'm just telling you, I'm telling you what happened. It's not caping.

I watched the game. You do realize that I saw your tweet. Ocho, Ocho, you do realize I saw your tweet. Yeah. Between the said that you was going to make sure. So come on now. You do real,

okay. So we get, I want you to give Russ's credit. You haven't given credit yet. No, no. You caping. We're not fans. We're not fans,

Ocho. I'm not a fan. I'm not being a fan. I'm just telling you what I saw and I'm giving you my critique. How are you going to tell me what I saw?

You just told me I couldn't do that to you. Now you're going to turn around to tell me what I saw. Can you do me a favor? Can you do me a favor? It all depends on what it is. Do me a favor. Just give Russ's credit real quick on today's way.

Ocho. I know you want to give it to the defense. I say the defense play well. Ocho. It's not, Ocho. I just said, I thought Russ was as decisive today and it's throwing the football.

Very decisive. In the pocket, he took off and got some very valuable first downs with his legs. But for me, if you left that game, Russ completed 12 passes. They ran the ball 40 times. They threw it 19.

times. If you take what the defense is giving you, you take what the defense is giving you. Hold on. Time out. You tell me, do not let the defense dictate what we do. You've been saying that for eight weeks. Now you take what the defense give you? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, listen to me now.

Listen to me now. If it's working and it's not broken, you don't fix it. Ocho, you said, if it's working, if it's working and it's not broken, it's no need to fix it. Ocho, that's not what you said. You said you hate when deep, when all. Offices let defense dictate where the ball is going to go. I was speaking on a simple perspective of allowing defense to take away your best target. Okay.

From a receiver standpoint. You just told me, you just told everybody that's watching. He took what the defense gave him. So when I've been telling you, you take what the defense gives you, you tells me you can't let the defense dictate. Now, which is it? And if I'm not mistaken, I think I was speaking when it was. when it was pertaining to Devante Adams, if I'm not mistaken.

Okay, they're taking what the defense gives them. Okay, the defense's not giving them, Devante. I mean, okay, okay. I get you going, but based on the team and based on what we're talking about right now, I think what they need is today, the defense was giving them the run, and the run was working. So what do you keep on doing? You keep on running it.

Okay. The fact that they only, wait, wait, wait, let me finish. The fact that he only needs the complete 12 passes and still came away with a victory. What does that tell you? It tells me that the Broncos played very well today. The Chiefs didn't have their best stuff. And Patrick Mahomes was awful. I'm not going to use, oh, he was sick and he had the bug. We don't use excuses because if he had played well, we'd have been talking about he was Michael Jordan. But I'm glad we don't have to talk about that because all I know is I saw 15 and I saw Mahomes on the back of that jersey. So there's a level of expectation. I don't want to hear

nothing about the fumbles. I don't want to hear anything about the drops. It is. It is. is what it is. He knew going into that, they knew going into the season that these receivers were young. Skymore hasn't gotten any better since his rookie season. Rice is hit or missed. Baldell Scanlon, one game, he's going to catch a touchdown and play well. The next game, he's going to drop and he's going to fumble. We know that. We know the only receiver that he can consistently count on is Travis Kelsey. And he didn't have his best day. And I'm kind of disappointed because, you know, Friday night, he was at the Rangers game. What's wrong with that? It's the middle of the season.

What do you mean what's wrong with that? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I know the Chiefs lost. I know they lost. I know Mahomes didn't have a game. I know Travis Kelsey didn't have a game. But you're not going to tell me you can't, you can't enjoy yourself on a Friday night,

which is a short day. Listen to me, it's a short day. It was in Texas. He lives in Kansas City. Oh, shit. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah.

I'm tripping. Yeah, you're really tripping. That's different. That's different. Okay. And, yeah, I definitely wouldn't be getting on no plane

to go nowhere for no game. But that was the World Series game, right? Yes. Am I mistaken? Okay. If it's in Kansas City, if it's in Kansas City, I got no problem with that.

But you mean to tell me you're going to get on a plane and go to Arlington, and then you got a game on Sunday during the season? That's a bad, that's a bad look. I mean, listen, based on what Travis Kelsey's been doing, based on what he's been able to do, the consistency he's put up year and year out, game by game.

It's hard to really argue the fact that him taking a mental reset to go watch the World Series game is the reason why he didn't play well. The team in itself didn't play well. I'm not saying that's the reason why he didn't play well. I'm not saying... You really think it's a bad look, though? Seriously.

It's an awful look. It's a terrible look. If it was the buy week, Ocho, you do realize this is the NFL. You got a game on Sunday. You're going to board a plane? Let me ask your question. That's a middle reset, though. Every coach I've ever played for.

Yes, sir. They've always told us one thing on Friday. Make sure you get off your feet. Make sure you get off your feet. I'm sure everybody that's in the NFL has heard the exact same thing. They don't say, hey, we understand it. He ain't got no game on Saturday, but hey, go. And then if you look at it, there's videos popping up,

but he was like, he was like raging. He was like, out. Come on, Ocho, that's a horrible look. I'm not saying it's a bad look. I'm saying it's a horrible look. And Tram, my guy, but it's not a good look. Right. I understand what you're saying, but it's honestly, honestly, I love you to death,

but it's really hard for me to agree with you on this. And I understand, everybody's different. Listen, I think. Remember, you got to understand. Optics matter. Right. Optics matter. Because of the player, because of the caliber of player,

Travis Kelsey has a little bit more leniency to do something like that on a Friday, to have a mental reset to go enjoy a World Series game and be able to come back and perform. Because you know what you get from him. Oh, Joe. You know, you know, you know what you get from him weekend and week out, baby. This is why I don't want Travis Kelsey to do that because of the look. If somebody else had to done that, but Travis is a leader. Somebody else can't do that.

They can't do that. They're not Travis Kelsey. Travis is the leader. I don't, but see, here's the thing. Even though I was a leader, I never did anything where the team could see that I was getting privileges. Because I'm telling you, they'll grow to resent you. Remember the Russell Wilson, how he got the locker, how he had the office, how he got to come in certain things. He had earned it.

He won the Super Bowl. He had been a multiple time pro bowl player. I'm telling you how human than that, how the human mind works. Right. Your teammates will grow to, I don't care. what you've accomplished. Don't thumb their nose in it. Don't make them feel, oh, because don't do it.

It's a horrible look. And no. That's a tough one. That's a tough one, man. It's not a tough one, Ocho. It's not a tough one. It's really not. Like I said, if it's the bye week and we can get into,

we're going to talk about the buy weeks and, you know, how some guys, you know, because when I play, we got Thursday, we got Thursday at noon off. And then we had Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We had to be back Monday by noon. Now they get their entire week off. And you and I'll get into that. What's the proper way to reset during the by week?

You and I discussed that a little later. But during the season and the NFL season, that's a bad look, bro. I'm sorry. Yeah. I got you. Listen, time to different now. Everybody's different. Everybody has a different approach to the game.

Everybody operates differently on the way they do things. And it's hard for me to judge. And I'm just saying, if I was the team of Kelsey's, you know, and I understand. I would be disappointed. I would be very upset. I wouldn't. I wouldn't because that's his decision. That's his decision and he's earned the right to be able to do that.

So let me. He's earned the right to be able to do that. Hey, listen, when Sunday, what is Kelsey giving me on Sunday when it's time to play at one o'clock? I don't care what you're doing on your off time. I'm just saying me personally. I'm just telling me personally. For you, you would have been upset. I don't control.

I don't, I'm not, I'm not controlling and conducting what somebody does. So I'm just want to make sure I'm hearing you correct. What are you going to do? What are you going to do for me on Sundays at 1 o'clock? That's all I'm going to make. I'm hearing you correctly. If the player is good, you don't care what he does. Oh, whoa, when the player is great, don't do that.

Okay. Don't do that. When the player is great. When the player is great, you don't care what he does as long as he show up for you and play well on Sunday. That's all that matters. That's what he gets paid to do. Ocho, I'm going to be honest with you, bro.

That's what he gets paid to do. I'm glad. All the other stuff and all the optics and all that other stuff. I ain't, I don't kidding about that. What you're doing? What you're doing for me on Sunday at 1 o'clock? Ocho, it doesn't work like that. It really does, Ocho.

I mean, I played the game. You played the game, you and I played by the same amount of time. But that's a bad look. Let's talk. But that's a bad, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a jaded way of thinking. No, it's not a jaded way of thinking. It's a hard way. Because listen, there are, there are privileges,

there are so many examples of privileges of certain players that are really good that get to do things that others can't. That's been the lay of the land for the longest. Let's not act like that. I'm not saying, Ocho. Come on, I don't. I don't do that. Okay, the quarterback getting a parking spot is one thing.

Leaving your team to go to fly to Texas, you do realize, now, I can see it if it was his dad, if it was his brother. But I'm saying I don't really know the affiliation with him in Kansas City. And that's fine. But that's still a horrible look, Ocho, to leave in the middle of the season and go watch a baseball game. how many times? Now, would he have been upset if another player had done that? So what's to stop another player from going to do something?

So what's stopping Patrick Mahomes from going to watch a game during the Super Bowl on a Friday before the Super Bowl? Why? Why not? Can I tell you something? Sure. Can I tell you something real quick? Sure. Man, these boys don't care about that, man.

I'm just telling you. No. They don't care about that. That's right. They don't care. They're not interested in what you do. I think he does care. And I wish he to put a little bit more. thought into it because because the optics of it is not a very good look. So that's that's where I, that's where I am on that.

Okay, I got you. Let's go to the other quarterback. The 49ers lose to your team again. Brock Purdy had zero picks in his first five wins. He had five picks in his last three losses. That three games, yeah. I said something after they scored 42010. They beat the Cowboys 42010 and I got hammered for it.

I said, Brock Purdy is not elite. I say, if y'all think he'll lead, you're fooling yourself. Now, I'm not, I'm not, I don't like to do, you know, hindsight is a magnificent sign. It's perfect. Because you get to look today already knowing what happened yesterday. Right. What's your takeaway? What did you think of Brock Purdy?

Brock didn't have a very good game. He didn't have very, very good game. And the first thing I said when no Trent Williams, no Debo-Salemales, he would have to play that much better when the talent around you is not what it should be, that means you have to play that much better to make up for what's not there. Okay. Ayuk did what he could do. Christian McCaffrey did what he could do.

But when it came down to it, Purdy didn't do what was necessary to give his team a chance to win the game. Two picks, fumble loss. The thing that I wanted to see, And this is the way I said, I want to see when every throw matters, right, with every possession matter. Not when you're ahead, way ahead. And you see now, Ocho, the defense is starting to slip a little bit.

And now every throw matters. Every possession matters. They can't stifle team. They're not getting short fields. The defense is not turning you over, getting short fields. Now we get an opportunity, opportunity to see the level of greatness that's, And see, when I said he wasn't elite, that doesn't mean he can't become elite. I'm saying as I sit here and judge him today, he's not elite.

Right. And I think it's mass when you have so much talent like that around you, you know, you can look elite at the time when you have that type of supporting cats around you. Brock Purdy is a very good quarterback. Brock Purdy is a very good quarterback. But is he on the elite level? He's not that just yet. But I have a question.

I just, I just, I'm the drift off just a little bit. Yeah, go ahead. Is it the fact that the 49ers defense is not really declining but didn't look like themselves today, or was it the fact that Joe Burrow is now healthy? Well, I thought that Joe, Joe has gotten healthy to buy wheat him at a great time for them because they gave him an extra week to get that calf and he got an opportunity to stay off his leg, rest that calf.

But I thought the four, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Bengals offensive line did a great job. I love a job. And he did a great job. They had him a couple of times and he got out. and got first down. Listen, Joe Houdini Burrow. And you saw, and you saw today,

they ran a quarterback draw. He got a first down. He got out of harm's way. He took off. So that tells me that that calf is 100% because there was no hesitation. Remember how you said? I think I can't remember exactly what you said,

but when the bangups were 0-and-2 and I told you, just be patient. Yeah. Just be patient. Yeah. The calf, oh, Joe Burroughs hurt, they don't look the same. And I told the rest of the world,

I say, listen, we always start like this. We always start like this. And it's one thing about the Bengals, when everybody is healthy and humming, we're going to be our right. Everybody panicking, and you ask me, is it time to hit the panic? But it's okay.

The football season is not a sprint. It's a marathon. It's about hitting your stride at the right time. Timing is impeccable, and we hit it at the right time. And this momentum is going to continue to carry on. And you know who else in trouble? You know in trouble next?

Buffalo. Buffalo, the bills, no disrespect to Josh and Stefan Diggs, they in trouble next. My only concerns, Ocho, what I felt that was different than the previous season when you started O and two is that Joe Burrow was healthy. If you told me Joe, if you told me Joe was 100 percent, I was like, okay, I've seen, I've kind of seen this movie before. And I know he'll figure it out. He and Stefan Diggs get on the same page. They'll do a little better job of running the football. Today, Joe Mixon had a season's best 87-yard rushing.

Jamar Chase, what's Jamar Chase? 10 catcher 100 yards. Didn't get the ball into the end zone, but he had some big time catcher. I think two passing appearance. Yeah. Chase, Chase scored once.

He did. He did. He had what you call it. He had that slot route. And he faked that they're going to run the jail break screen. Here come everybody's running. And he slid right down the side. You're right.

You're right. My bad. Ten catch of the 100 yards and a touchdown. Three different receivers scored a touchdown. Boyd had it going, got some key third downs early in the ball game. This is how the Bengals offense. but what was really, really impressive was their defense. Defense.

They did a job of taking the ball away. Great job. Take Taylor Britt. I know you're going to see this. Jermaine Pratt. I know you're going to see this. I love y'all boys. Who they?

Keep it going. Yeah. And what's the 21, Hyatt? Hilton. Hilton. Hilton. Yeah, man. Yeah, he played.

He played. Mike. Nasty. He played in the ass off. Yes. Yes. Real savvy. Real savvy.

real savvy veteran. Very savvy veteran. It looks like that division is going to be a clash. I think Baltimore is going to kick them. Baltimore could have a commanding lead in this division had they went ahead and taking care of business

with the Steelers. We saw the Steelers lose again today at Jacksonville. The Browns lost. So it looks like it's going to come, it's going to be a two horse race in this division, Cincinnati and Baltimore. Can I tell you something?

Yes. I'm not Cleo. I don't have a genie. I can't predict the future. I can't. I can't. But I can tell you about the script when it comes to the NFL, and I can tell you how it's going to end. And this is no disrespect to the Browns. This is no disrespect to the Ravens. The AFC North is going through Cincinnati. And I mean that would all do respect everybody for fans and all that. But I'm just saying we hitting our stride at the right time. Well, it's looking at least. I don't know if you've been noticing. Listen, no, no, I know. Ravens got the best defense. Best defense is the least. I understand. I understand that.

But I'm just saying when the time comes that it's going to come down to coming out the F.C. Yep. The Ravens and the Bengals. And we already know who coming out on top, especially on the back end of the season. Well, we're going to see. I think El Jack, El Jack,

or Lamar Jackson, Action Jackson, going to have something to say about that. Yeah, L Jack is the real deal. That's home team. No disrespect to him. But again, you know, my allegiance lies and just what we can do offensively, I think it gives the Ravens problems as opposed to any other team that they're going to face in that AFC.

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Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album?

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The defense was outstanding. standing again today. That was 25 or 31, 3.04, four touchdowns, one of a session. He was throwing the ball over the middle. The guy got his hand up at Karam a couple of times and got picked off CD Lamb, 12 for a buck 58, two touchdowns. Did you realize this, Ocho? I don't know if you realized this. This was the first time, first time Dallas offense scored more than two touchdowns since week one. Yeah, I knew, I knew, I knew he was going. I knew that's where you was going. I knew that's where he was going because the entire season, all we've talked about is the defense and how well they played and taking the

ball away and giving the, excuse me, giving the Cowboys offense short fields and defense scoring touchdowns and making it easy where other teams were always playing from behind. But would a deck Prescott show us today? Hey, do me a favor. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Do me a favorite. Read me, I bought.

Read that line one time. Ream. 35 or 31, 301, 4 touchdowns, one pick. Woohoo. Yeah. Can you get, can you get, can you get that Dack's credit today? Huh? I thought he played well.

No, play well. Play well. Yes. I thought he played very well. He played, he was elite. He was elite today. In the, in the deck that we need. No, no, no, no, no.

No, no. What we're not going to do, if we're not going to put elite one day, then take it off the next day. Either you're elite or you're not. Is that press got elite? Oh, whoa. The NFL is, the NFL is week to week. No. Week to week.

Not greatness. Greatness is not week to week. Ocho, stop this now. Stop this. What? Ocho, stop. Oh, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stay with me. How did Patrick Mahone play last week?

So is he not, so, hold on. How did Patrick Mahon play last week? Ocho. How did he play today? Ocho. So are you saying because Patrick Mahomes had two bad weeks, he's not great, he's not elite? Whoa, that's not what I just said. I said the NFL is week to week.

This week, Dak Prescott was elite. Ocho, but we don't assign you know what, Ocho, you can assign elite as high up you want to. Thank you. Thank you. People at home. And you know what's going to happen?

Greatness and eliteness is not a week to week thing. Granted, you update your resume, but once you're in the elite, Patrick Mahomes is elite. Patrick Mahomes is great. Because he hasn't played well in two weeks, we don't take him out of that eliteness. Wait a minute.

I didn't, I didn't, I, Yes, you did. You said, I just asked you. I said, I said he was elite today. You said he was elite today. He was elite today. He was elite today.

He was elite today. Did you not, I saw, I watched the game. Oh, sure. I watched the game. Oh, sure. I'm not saying. I'm not even a Cowboys fan. I watched the game.

I saw Dak Prescoe do what everybody said. He couldn't do and hasn't done the entirety of this season so far. And he did it today. Okay, let me ask you question. What hasn't he done? What haven't, so. Okay, again, they were two for four in the red zone. They're still 50% in the red zone.

What did you just say they hadn't done since week one? Score two touchdown. Offensive touchdown. How many did they score offensively? What did C.D. Lamb do today? They got a- Show why he's one of the best. Okay. In the league.

Ocho. Ocho. But you do you, are you, so when you watch the game, did you see that pick six by Daron Blan, who now has three pick six? Hey. Okay. Hold on.

I'm just asking. I'm just making sure. They left the ball too far behind. But okay, yeah. Okay. Did you see the block point for safety? Oh, yeah. Okay. Did you see Kavana turpin run the ball back to almost a 10 yard?

Yes. So, Ocho, all of that. I'm not taking anything away from the offense, but what I've said is that it seems like the Cowboys offense gets going in the right direction when their defense. Michael, what did Michael do today? Michael, you see Michael, strip sack, force fumble, sack, short fields. That's all. Look, my problem was.

is that when they get created those opportunities, that wasn't taking advantage of them. Advantage of it. So now if the cow, if you tell, if you tell me, Ocho, this is the Cowboys we're going to see moving forward. I'm going to say everybody in the NFC going to have their damn hands full.

If the Cowboys are going to, if you're going to get pig sixes, and we've seen when the Cowboys play great, what do they do? They're always spearheaded by what? Pick sixes, punt, scooping scores, or short fields, but that.

Go ahead. Football. Yes. There are three phases to the game. Yes. And normally when you win in all three phases, yes. You get what you got today.

If you look at the Cowboys, when they win a game, they don't just win all three phases. They dominate. Right, right. They don't win. You look at what they did to the Patriots. You look at what they did to the Jets.

You look at what they did to the Giants now. We look at the Giants offensive. We're going to talk about them a little later. We look at those teams. If you look at what they did, to the Rams when they when they don't win all three phases they dominate and when you dominate all three if you can dominate two of the three phases there's probably a 75% chance you're going to win right when you dominate all three it's all you're almost unbeatable and that's what we're seeing

right and one of the things that I like and you can attest to this when you when you have a game like today yes see the lamb has a game like that and that press has a game like that, that defense and Mackay has a game like that, do you know the type of confidence you have after a performance like that going into the week in practice and going into the next game? It carries over. It carries over, not just with the individual players, but the team as well. Offensively, that going to be, you know, you get a different bounce to yourself, man.

You get a different bounce or a different walk. It just is something about having a good game and you want that momentum to carry. Well, you need to this because you know who they played next week. the Eagles next week in next week in Philly. So, and so they really needed this game. Jerry Jones after the game says he didn't want to talk about the upcoming Philly game because he doesn't want to poke the bear.

Dat was told of this and that Paul smiled, pour honey on me. If you ever see me in a fight with the bear, poor honey on me. I'm looking forward to that. I like it. I like it. And this is one of the few times where Jerry Jones

then step up to the plate and give the opposing team bulletin-board material. Damn that bullion board. I said, what? I remember we played the Tennessee Titans in the playoff game, Ocho, and all the little comments that we had said, because they had, you know, NFL's films wasn't supposed to release what we were saying in our locker room,

but they released it anyway. And so they had all the montage, what Coach Billet was saying, what I had said, what Ray had said. And so you know what I said? I said, whatever they say, we said, we said it. Now, what y'all going to do by it? Right. Because at the end of the day, Ocho,

whether I said a little or I said a lot. A lot. Yeah. We still got to play the game. Mm-hmm. We still got this book. We still got to, hey, we got to buckle this thing up. We got to strap these pads up.

Yeah, no matter what. It no matter what, I say. So you know what? I'll be quiet. Well, since Seattle ain't say nothing, this week, we're going to go easy on them. Nah, he's talking. Let's get it. You.

It's all the same. It's all the same. It's all the same. So, ooh, that's going to be a barrenner. That's going to be a baron burner. That's going to be a good game. They got the one o'clock or four o'clock slate. They need to change.

They normally, they don't, they'll never put the Cowboys and Eagles in a 1 o'clock window. That's always going to be the late game. Probably four to, four, 20. Is that the, yeah, that's the 425. Might be a Sunday night game. It's the late game. It's the late game. Yeah, that's, you know, my former network, Fox ain't really trying to give up no Cowboys.

Cowboys Eagle? Oh, hell no. Cowboys 49? Absolutely not. You're not trying to give it that game. Take this. Okay, the Jets get an improbable win. They come back.

They beat third string quarterback Tommy DeVito who played more like Ocho. You got to do that here. We don't care what, we don't care what string it was. I had more passing yards than Tommy DeVito and I ain't leave my couch. I ain't trying to hear all that. Guess what? I had more, ladies and gentlemen at home, Shannon Sharp, 55 years of age, sitting on his couch in L.A. had more passing yards than Tommy DeBito.

Zach Wilson and the Jets beat the Giants Talk about that. Ocho, did you know, did you realize you had more passing yards than Tommy DeVito?

What the last time you threw an NFL ball? What does that have to do with the outcome of the game today? Zach Wilson, say it with me, Zach Wilson. Think about what you just saying.

Think about, hold on, hold on you, I want you to think about what you just said. The same thing I said, the same thing I said when I talked about the Broncos.

You sit on the end of your bed. You had more passing yards sitting on the, the end of your bed than a quarterback did in the NFL with nine pastures. What does that have to do? What do we have to do with the personnel for the Giants? What do we have?

I don't, I ain't got nothing to do with that. I ain't got nothing to do with that. They know what they had on their roster. They know what they had on their roster. That is not going to take away the fact that a game, the game, the NFL game in itself is about moments. It's about moments.

Yeah. The exact Wilson played great? No. The exact Wilson lose the game for the Jets? No. That's his only job. Wait, wait, stay with me. Was he in a position to help his team win in a pivotal moment at the end of the game and overtime?

Yes. Did he not make two important clutch? I don't even know how to spell clutch because I can't drive stick. Did he make two crazy clutch throws to put his team in position win the game? Big time. Big time. Say his name with me. Giant enormous throws.

And that's his job is to not lose the game. You don't have to win it. Like you said, sometimes the game comes down to a throw here or a throw there. And the throws when it mattered, he made them. Yes. If I had a camp, I tip it. Thank you. Thank you.

And that's, and that's, and that's, I hope you see this. Shannon, giving you your love. Oh, and that's what it's about. But that was a terrible game to watch, though. Okay. Yeah. I mean, listen, the weather played the part. The weather played a part now.

you have to adapt to, you have to play, you have to play. They had a thousand yards and punts. Yeah. It was, it was bad. 23 points between the two,

22 points between the two teams and 24 punts. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad. It was a other game. That's why I say we had more,

you and I had more passing yards. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It was an ugly game. Four for 34 on third down? I don't know if I've ever heard of death. Do you owe for 34?

I mean, four for 34 on third downs? That's bad. That's bad. That's a bad football. It's a bad football. But I take my hats off to the fans because me, I'm going to be fair weather. If it ain't goddamn on 80 degrees and sunny, your boy can't go.

I can't say, oh, oh, Joe. You can't do that. You can't do that. You're not a true fan. That's what they're called, that's what they call fans. True fans, it could be. Fans for fanatic. Hot, cold, rain, sleep, snow, thunderstorm.

If the game is playing, they're going to be out there. supporting. Big end, big oh, no. So I tip my cap because this is a dayloos, it's a monsoon, and they're sitting on there

with their parkers and their raincoats, and they're like in and they're cheering. No, Ocho, I can't do that. Hell, I ain't want to be out there and I was playing. If you were just fan, you got to be happy because I told you what to do happen. Oh, but Ocho.

They won the last three games. Named, named a player that likes playing in the rain in a football. game. Listen, we was little. We loved being in the rain. It wasn't a problem.

We loved it. I hated the rain, played in the rain. I don't mind the rain. I don't mind. I don't like it hot, which is weird. I'm from Florida. Give me hot. Yeah.

I give me cold. I like it when it's cold. No, I don't like that. Because when it's cold, I'm not going to cramp up before the half. My calf muscle. My calves. Man, them little BBs you got back there's talking about some calf muscles. The Eagles pull out a victory over the

commanders, A.J. Brown is playing out of his mind. Another eight catch, 130 yards, two touchdowns today. He's the first player in NFL history to have six straight games with at least 125 yards. That's crazy. Jalen Hurts, 29 of 38, 319, four touchdowns. And the game probably should have been that close, Ocho. He lost two fumbles inside his three-yard lines.

Yeah. They've got to clean that up because the cowboy are coming. You need points at a premium because. that you step up in a level of competition, your level of mistake must go, mistakes must go down. Go down, right.

If you do what you did against the Cowboys, and look, they know each other. You know, hey, this is, these are divisions. Just like the Eagles and the commanders, they're in the same division, the NFC East. The Cowboys and the Eagles, same division, NFC East, they know each other.

But you pay double in a division game and you turn the ball over. Because remember, that's what happened, Kansas City. Remember, Ocho, you turn. turn the ball over, either you're going to bring the team up to your level or you're going to go down to their level. One of the two things are going to happen. But Jalen Hertz throwing the ball.

Man, I don't even know what to say about AJ. AJ, AJ, the lost his mind these last six weeks. Listen, AJ Brown is bumping his head off the goalposts every time you look around. And it's not just, the contested catches, catches wide open. I don't know what, I don't know what ritual he's doing or what he's eating. whatever he's doing, he just got to keep doing it. He got to keep doing it because what he's done is, what he's doing is on the herb.

Did you see the one hand grab in the end zone with the dude draped all over him? Like, come on, man, what are we doing? You know, everybody else is going to be like, every since he had that little dust up with Hertz on the sideline? It's just a minor disagreement. Yeah, he's like, hey,

there's a little minor disagreement. Don't be the, boom. Yeah. And since Hertz has made it his mind says, hey, I'm going to feed Big Dog early and often. Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense. And the funny thing about it is you know it's coming,

especially when you play a division opponent. You know how to stop your number one target, and there's nothing they can do. There's nothing they can do to stop them. That's crazy. And both of his touchdowns that he caught on Washington was tightly contested. AJ Brown now has 12 receiving touchdowns

of throws of 15 plus yards downfield since the start of last season. That's number one in the NFL. Hertz again, 29. of 38, 319, four touchdowns. This is going to be a matchup because now we're going to get to find out. We're going to get to find out, you know,

because everybody, we kind of been, we kind of been, you know, Cowboys, they've been playing okay, but not all, you know, they win it. The Eagles, they're like, man, Ocho, they look, they, they win it, but they don't look like they did last year. They, like they, like they, they, they're having a hard time getting out of third gear, trying to get the fourth and on the fifth.

We don't need fifth right now, but we're really trying to get out of third year, because we almost halfway through the season. Now we're going to find out there's no love loss between these two teams. I want you to know that I'm the beast of the East and the East goes through Dallas or it goes through Philly again.

Yeah, one of the other. And the fact of the matter of watching the game today and I was watching double, I was having to look to my left and look to my right earlier today when I was watching the Philly game. And the funny thing about it, when it was 14-3, I was like, man, Well, the commander's got this one.

I thought it was going to be one of those days. And I looked over to the right and I came back. I'm like, wait, wait a minute. And the score line continued to change and it continued to change. And again, and when it mattered most in pivotal moments in that game, he made the throw necessary. Yeah. Run here or run there.

And God damn, I be damned. They back in the game. Not only back in the game. Oh, shit. They took the lead. Unbelievable football. And the fact that both of these. team is the fact that Dallas won the way they did.

And with a comeback victory for the Eagles, both teams coming to the game with great momentum and confidence. Yeah. Individually for the individual players, I'm telling you having a good game and do something to you. I don't know what it is. It just does something to you. So ain't no telling what's going to happen. All I know is this. When I play, I'm looking at the team that we're going to play.

And I'm like, man, they quarterback ain't as good as I was. their receivers are not good at our and they threw for 300 yards. Man, what do you think? Sam Howard almost threw for 400. Yeah. What do you think, Dak and CD and those receivers thinking?

You, hey, Ocho, you don't. Let me get an extra helping of that. Let me get an extra help with a Bradbury to Forth. Hey, give me a little bit, hey, give me a side of that sleigh. Give me a bar yard. I know you just got there,

but I want, hey, I want an extra helping of him because Sam Howell got 400. it. Yeah. And he doesn't talk about he won't punt and poured on him because he's going to fight a bear because he won't the bear

to stay there. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I'm glad they got CD involved. They haven't been using CD to the magnitude. He should be used at. Yeah.

Because he can make that job very, very easy. I don't like, I don't like people talking about CD not being a number one receiver. They like to say, well, he's borderline. He's not there yet.

Yes, he is. He just got to be consistent. The one thing you know But the true number ones is that AJ. AJ showed up every week. Every week. Justin Jefferson, Chase, those guys digs. I mean, I can't have C.D.

have a game like this and then come back next week and give me 50 those, Ocho. I can't have that. It's not that he's going to give you 50. It's the fact that the opportunities and the targets have to be there. The play calling has to be there. And if they're trying to take them away, you've got to manipulate your scheme offensively to put them in position to get

open. It's easy to do, you know, sometimes off of the coordinators have ego. I want to run my system, and I'm going to run it the way I want to. And if they want to take them away, I'm going to let them take them away. I'm going to just use everybody else. Sometimes your officer coordinator, got to be aggressive. But today, you ain't taken away 88.

The system, that system, I know that system. That West Coast system is predicated on the receiver. Jerry Rice in that offense. You go back and look at all the great receivers that have played in that system. Right. It's all about the, it's all about the ex and the season. he receiving. Yeah.

Jerry was the Z. John Taylor was the ex. My brother played the Z. You go back and look at the West Coast. And look at that offense and you look at the guys that play it. You got to have a dog and you got to give him the ball. You got to. It's mandatory.

And most of those guys are tremendous run after the catch. Because Cini was a punt returner. You know he's good after the catch. You know he has some elusivity to it. You just got to give him an opportunity. You got a, like you said, hey, give him a. I can't look. Gallup, for whatever reason,

Gallup hadn't really gotten, he doesn't look like he's gotten all the way back over that knee injury. Right. I know what I'm going to get with Brandon Cooks. I'm going to get a deep thread here or there. But my guy, CD, I keep saying my guy, but Citi is a guy, he can work the slot.

He's outside the numbers. He can run the tree. He can get deep. So at some point in times, you just might have the forest feed it. And I know Jerry says, I want to spread it around, spread it around and do what?

that's just again because you don't want to pay that man his money because you know that man going to be asking for 25 you're going to ask it 28 ms 30 ms so you want to try to suppress so you want to try to keep the numbers down

oh yeah they will do that that's the way again that's the way the game goes I think the funny thing about it I don't even think the outside world understands the business side of it of suppressing numbers another thing when receivers

or receiving get into their 30s and the first thing everybody likes to do would say oh he's slowing down oh he's slowing down oh he's lost a step. He ain't lose nothing if you pay attention. Just pay attention to

the targets and opportunities how they start to decrease so your numbers decrease as well. And then they like to use, yeah, well, you're not the same as you used to be. Well, yeah, motherfucker, you ain't throwing me the goddamn ball the way you used to either. Because the last

thing you want is him to be on one of those all protein. Have a hundred plus catcher 1500 yards. Another double-digit touchdown season. Back up the brink truck, please. Exactly. You know, hey, have it been a part of this system, you and I know how the system work. Let's go to the Ravens.

The way Ravens win this ball game, but the story of the game was Odell clearly being frustrated. We saw him draw a defensive pass in the parent and then go to the sideline and slam his helmet. Yeah. Odell drew three penalties today, but he has zero catches on four targets. Yeah, yeah. This is only the second time in his 102 game career that he's failed to register catching a game. And Ocho, you know how it is. If you go to another team, because they know who Odell lives.

They remember this, Odell. They remember the guy with the Spider-Man catchers. The guy that's dancing doing all that thing. The last time they saw the guy, he was going haywire right before the half in the Super Bowl. And so he wants to come and put on a great show, wants to have an impression. And for whatever reason, I don't know, Ocho, I don't know why it just hasn't clicked for it. What do you think is going on? I think, obviously, you're in a different system.

You're in a different system. You're in a different offense. I think O'Dell wants to get back to being the O'Dell of old, letting everybody know I can still do this. I can still be the O'Dill of old. I can be the O'Dell. You saw with the Rams. I could be the O'Dell you saw with the Giants.

Is that possible? Of all the work, think about, think about all the work he's put in to come back from not one but a second ACL. You put in all that work to get back, and all you want to do is you want to go out there and contribute. Contribute to some of the Ws, some of the wins, and obviously with the passing interference is interfering with him, and he just wanted to get in rhythm.

He wants to touch the ball. How can I be an intricate part of the offense if I can get the ball in my hands? The balls are coming, but obviously they were passing appearances, and the frustration is building up because he's not able to contribute and being apart and helping that. that team win. And one of the things I said, Odell, and I said this about him, I forgot where I was at when I said this. We talked about quarterbacks

getting $20 million contracts. If Odell hadn't have been hurt, I believe Odell would have been the first receiver to have a $20 million deal. He was that dynamic. He was that polarizing. He meant that much to the game of football. I think he would have been the first.

He can do anything from anywhere in the field. One of the few players I've seen take hitches. slants, go deep, just do every goddamn thing, you know. And the fact that he got hurt. I think had he not got hurt originally and he'd have had some better behavior in New York, I would agree with you. That wasn't going to happen once he went to Cleveland and had that knee injury. Because you know that unless you're a quarterback,

they're not handing out $200 million contract. But that's why I said if he hadn't had gotten hurt. Now, had he stayed, if he could have had a quarterback, stayed in New York, because remember, Ocho, he was box office in New York. Yeah. He was box. His first four years, he was electric. He was, nothing like it.

He was the fugue, I mean, the Giants might not make but one plate, but you knew one thing, 13 was going to make it. And he could take a slant and go hit his head on the gold pole. He can make the spectacular catch on the sideline. He could go over the. the top. He had, and he was box office in terms of he was must watch TV.

Not just, you know, there are a lot of guys that, you know, can catch the ball. I mean, a lot of guys can catch the ball. But are they must watch TV? Man, I got, hey, I got to get home. Man, I got to, hey, I got to see what Rick going to do. Tyreek, hey, Tyreek, go piece somebody out

and I need to see it. Hey, AJ Brown going to catch it in the crowd and going to run somebody, I need to see it. Justin Jefferson going to shake somebody. Jamar Shake. There are certain guys that you got to see Odell was, Odell was all of that. And he had the flare.

He had the shoes. He had the gloves. He had the charisma and the persona. And he was in New York. Yeah. See, that's the game change, Ocho. He in New York. Yeah.

So, yeah, it's, and I feel bad. It's tough. Ocho is tough. It's tough. It is because what happened is, is that Baltimore giving this big contract, and it's only for one year. And then everybody,

and everybody's saying, see, I told you. See, I told you. And he just wants to get, he's just like, man, I can do it. I can do it. You know what, Ocho? What they should do since they already will try to do everything,

go ahead, when you get a defensive pass and a fair, give me them yards. Give me, let the receiver have them yards. I'm going to stop all y'all. You ain't catch it. Yeah, but you got a 15-yard penalty. I got a 40-yard penalty. Now, and we're going to see that.

Because if you, if O'D they're getting through penalties, he might got 50 yards now. Yeah, yeah. I think I understand where his frustrations are coming from, and I know what's going to happen. I'm not sure who the Ravens played next,

but they're going to design plays, and what you can do, they're going to design plays to ensure that he touches the ball early. And you know how it is as a receiver. You as a tight end. If you get the ball in your playmaker's hands early, just let them touch it.

They don't have to be none serious. It could be a reverse. It could be a smoke. It could be a quick screen. Just let them touch it. And then you invested. You invested into the game the rest of the way. Remember we was having this discussion, I think, just a couple of weeks ago.

We talked about the Raven in the red zone inefficiencies. Today they were four for four in the red zone. Gus Edwards had himself a day. He had three touchdowns today. And that's kicking field goals or lose your game. Yeah. Scoring touchdowns in the red zone, we'll get you in the playoffs and can win your chance.

championship and the Ravens, to their credit, was sensational once they got that ball into the red zone. And that's what you need to have. Okay, let's go to the Miami Dolphins. They carve up, they carve up the Patriots defense. Tyreek Hill becomes the first player in NFL history to have a thousand yards receiving in his first eight games. He and Jalen Waddle both go over 100 yards. I think, if I'm not mistaken, that's like the fifth or the six times that they've done that in the same game. And, I mean, what do we say about RIC? What do we say about Tyreek? When people, and I'm going to say it again, and I've said over and over and over,

when we talk about Tyreek, when we talk about top five, when we talk about, let's stay within this era of football, we talk about the best players. Tyreek is in his own category. Yeah. And that's why I always said, and I've been saying it for the past two years, don't ask me to do top five because Tyreek. is in a class of his own. And that's with all due respect to all the other players.

But it's just unfair. They don't possess what he possessed. Yeah, it's unfair. The combination of speed, size, I mean, the fact that he's small, he can go across the middle, can go deep. Imagine if he was Randy Moss height. With that kind of...

But, you know, then, you know, he wouldn't be as agile. He wouldn't be as shifting. He wouldn't be able to corner like he does. Yeah, he wouldn't be able to do what he does. So the fact that he is the size he is and he's able to do what he does, the same way of Randy Moss does,

as far as being able to take the top off of defenses. It's unheard of, contested catch. Everything. But here's a football player. But see, here's the thing, Ocho. Normally with guys that have that kind of speed, they're frail. They're not football players.

He's a football player with track speed. We've seen track guys try to come to the football. Renato Nehemiah. Now, the first guy to do it was Bob Hayes. Bob Hayes was the reason. why they went to the zone defense. Because before Bob Hayes, everybody played man. Well, you got the fancied man in the world

and you got a guy that's running 4-6 trying to cover it. That ain't going to go too well. At all. That ain't going to go too well. So it's like, we got to find a way to slow him down. So you see the way Bob Hayes was built. Bob Hayes was a football player that had world-class speed. Tyreek Hill, if you see the way he's built,

you can tell. You don't, I mean, you look at you. like, okay, that's a football player. He's an athlete. But then when you watch him and how he accelerate, I've never seen a guy that can accelerate just like that.

Normally guys have to build up. They build up. Tyreek and three steps is at top speed. Top speed. Did you see him take it? They had him bracketed. They had him bracketed today. On that go ball, they got him bracketed.

But you do realize bracketing is the worst kind of coverage against a go ball because everybody's thinking in and out and he takes the top off it. And you know the funny thing, the last three touchdowns that he's caught deep, they had him bracketed. They had him bracketed last week too. I don't know what the safety doing.

The safety is trying to disguise. Disguise. If I was a corn, I would have been screaming at the car. The safety, man, and if you don't get over and help me. Ocho, but he still got to worry about that run field too, though. See, they put him in a bind.

They put him in a bind, Ocho. You asking a safety to do an awful lot. Now, if that run come, you got him. You got to get down there. You got to get out there. If it don't, you got to get back. So you got to be.

So you got to be, I'm looking at this, and there's Ty Rican two-step. And when he took off, when the guy let, first of all, you can't let him inside, Ocho, you got a for, you. Well, you know what? You can't do that. Could you sit too far inside? Let's say you play head up, you play half a man inside. You're done already. There's nothing you could do.

You can't play head up, can't play inside. You can't play outside leverage. Either way, he's going to beat you, he's going to beat you regardless. Ocho, you got to get a hand on him. If you get up there in press coverage, you got to do something, Ocho. Get a hand of who? Ocho, will you back off him? We're back off it.

We're back off it. Ocho, first of all, if you do realize that if you don't get a head. You got to run your defense. You got to run your defense. First of all, he's going to run past you. But if you up there in press coverage, he's already past you in one step. At least make him go like seven to eight steps. And that's the scary part about it, is when he plays press, he's so much quicker.

He's so twitchy. He's so much quicker than everybody. else that's going to get up there and try to press. Yes. You're done. You pick your poison. You play off, he's going to kill you. You play press, he's going to kill you. You know how they need to play him?

You know how they play the gunner? Remember how the gunner got two. Yeah. The Calvin, giving the Megatron treatment. Put you guys. Right. That's the next thing you got to do. That's the only answer.

And you know what's funny? If you do that, he's probably going to beat both of them too. Yeah. That's the bad thing. Well, now if you're going to play two or one, I'm going to throw the ball or I'm going to throw the ball to the other side of the for you. Yeah.

Because I already know, got two, and I got, you got two guys out of position. He's averaging a hundred and, basically, 127 yards per game. He's on pace to have

21055 yards, which would shatter Calvin Johnson's record. He'd be the first NFL, he'd be the first player to ever have 2,000 yards and receiving, have 2,000 yards

and receiving in a single season. That's crazy. I'm knocking on wood, hoping he's stay healthy, because I want to see it. Oh, he's going to stay healthy. You know, you know why you're going to stay healthy?

he eat the same food I eat Yeah, he's gonna be healthy He definitely some bulljad He does Yeah He's on my podcast He was eating Cheetos and talking about how his mom

He'd be cooking sausages And pancakes and grits I have a question I'm not good Well, I'm not a math major But if he has over a thousand yards Now in week eight At what point will he cross the 2000 mark

What point you think? Probably at this pace probably week 15. Week 15? Yeah. No, he got to cross. He's going to cross it before that. Well, he's on pace the average 2155. So he's averaging. So that'll be 250. Every one, 120 a game, right?

127. So that's 254. So he's on pace to get, to get, uh, 2155. So, yeah, he's on pace. Oh, that's crazy. Just the fact, listen, we, I'm thinking we used to be happy back in the day, you know, doing our air was a little different. Well, you hit a thousand yards, boy, you're feeling good. Yeah. Our receiver, when you, if you could get a receiver, basically, if you got 13 hundred yards for, 13, once you cross 1300, you start getting the 1500.

Oh, man. Oh, man. Well, you're the real deal. You for real, real. Yeah. And then, you know, you had a couple of guys getting 16. and then, you know, I think I think Jerry was the first guy that I remember had 1,800 in the season.

And then here come Megatron had 1,900 in the season. I think Julio had 19 also in a season. But Tyreek, I mean, the guy after leaving, but you know what? He needed to be, he would have never done this in Andy Reed system for the simple fact he got Trave. And Trave is going to check. See, he's going to get the lion's share of the targets here. travel is going to probably get he and travel is going to be close so travel's probably going to get

170 180 he was going to get somewhere between 150 and 160 i mean 140 160 so it was going to be hard for him to get the targets in that number but man what he's been able to do and the way he's turned himself into a legit because remember oh joe when he first came in they just used him on putting kick returns right and a little gadget guy right but he said but he said i can i can i can i'm teach myself how to run the tree. All that. And now? You can do everything.

And he does it so fast. In a class of his own. He definitely is a try. And I'm excited. You know next week there in Germany. Yeah. They play the Chiefs. They got the Chiefs.

And listen, with the way the Chiefs played today, man, you know Tyree. And you know what the Chiefs like to do offensively on defense, huh? Right in your face. No, they're going to read your. right in your face. You'll ask me, when will he go over 2000? If they play him,

he'll go over 2000 in week 13th. Because he'll go have 300 next week. There's no way there's no way to stop him. There's nowhere to stop and I know he's upset. So think about how, think about what he's thinking about coming up this week, playing against the Chiefs. Well, you didn't want

to pay me or you felt you could do it without me. Let me show you what time it is. He might have 300. At that point, at that point, I've got a ring. Go get that money, bro. Right, right, right. Go get that money. Bro, you can't eat them rings. You can't sleep in them. Go now you get an opportunity. Your kids, kids, kids can be said. Right. Man, that's what I look. You got to look, I get it. You know, in certain situations, you know, like a Brady or some guys like that. Okay.

But Tyreek, man, go get that money, bro. Don't don't be, don't be better about. because they wouldn't because they weren't going to give you the money that Miami gave you. And they gave you more up front and you in warm weather and you know taxes. Brother, there ain't no taxes. Do you know how much money you keep it? Yeah. Hell it's 6 to 8% everywhere taxed. Hell in California is 12% state tax.

Yeah. You get no state tax. So you get damn there all your money. Every bit, every dollar. Every tax. Hey, man, I know you saw this. man, I feel bad for First Cousinous. He tours Achilles.

First Cousers, Kurt Cousins. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, soon as soon, listen, no contact either. And that's normally what happened. That's normally what happened with Achilles. And look, you know, and you can tell he started harping. I mean, when they went back and showed his lower leg and you can just see it.

You see it give like that. Man, I just feel so bad. I just feel so bad. I just hate guys having to deal. Because that's a tough injury to overcome, especially cousins in his 30. But you look at that. you know, what are they going to do?

You know, you hear, you know, possibly maybe trade for Kyler, who's coming off an ACL injury. Because if you look at their schedule, they got some game. They can go on a streak here. They're going to get JJ back, Justin Jefferson back, probably the next probably three weeks or so. I mean, they were on a streak. If I'm not mistaken, they've won the last two, maybe last three.

I'm not sure. Correct me if I'm wrong. But they won the last three. And the fact that he went down and you got Justin coming back in maybe a week, maybe three in the game that are coming up all winnable. But now your quarterback situation is shaky. And you got Jordan Addison, Jordan Addison playing out this world. Yeah, KJ. Osborne is playing out at this world.

Addison. Ombudsman, man, they got something. All you have to do is fix the quarterback situation. And that's the hard part because where do you go? Who you go get? I saw a tweet today that I put the eyes behind it. Somebody said, how about y'all call you? or Brady, tell Brady come out of retirement.

Brady done. Hey, Ocho, you know, you know like, you done because at this point, Brady, Brady has already started not wanting to take those legs. And you know how it is, Ocho, once you go

after, like, because you got to retrain your body all over again, even when you take an off season off. You got to all of a sudden get your spide senses tingling to know where contact's coming. Okay, if I caught a pass, I knew the coverage that I caught it in. I knew it of danger.

Am I going to get side swipe? Am I going to get head on or I'm going to get hit from the back? Based on the coverage that I got the ball thrown to me. Brough, you lose that when you don't use that. And as you get older, Ocho, man, guy can hit me. Man, I jump up out of the grass. That ain't hurt. Man, I got these like year 11, year 12.

Man, I start putting that blink on. Winkle, winkle hit right on the bottom of pound. Hey, you ain't been hit, bro. I can't take that. Hey, what you put on, the blinker? I put that blink on. Winkle, winkle, right. Right on the bottom bounds, don't you?

I ain't got on the line to you, could. Hey. Hey, don't lick done to that. No, bro. Hey, you know when you're young, Ocho, you'll see somebody, oh, I'm going to run your little ass over DB. Yeah. I've been to run you over.

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Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Well, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it.

Do you want a white collar? Up here, just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you believe? I would buy it.

Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm not a killer. I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on.

Oh. Oh. Listen to soccer mom. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen, you bet it to me. I didn't have to, I mean, I think I was very fortunate enough. Obviously, I stole what I like to call

making business decisions from Tori Holt and Isaac Bruce. Oh, yeah, they did. Man, man, catch it. Man, get down. He ain't taking no punishment. Man, they pulled a turf over them. They were like, they were taking a... They were like, hell.

They pulled that turwood like, they were in the band, like you're pulling the sheets over you. Yeah, but listen, I stole, like... That's a whole by dog, though. A big, a good dude. I mean, but at some point, you got to make decisions like that. Everything, you can't keep taking a collision. Listen, everybody is tough to a certain degree.

You can't play this game. Even in today's game, you can't play it without a certain level of toughness. Now, some guys are tougher than others. But at that point in time, you know, I got to think about it. Nah, I didn't say, I ain't going to prove my toughness on this play. Right. I literally see another day. I will get you when you're not suspecting

I'm going to be tough. Right. You got this one. Now, I catch you slipping. I'm going to drop my shoulder on you. That's basically what I did to ring. Oh, boy, that was the worst decision you ever could obey. Ocho, we got 18,000 watching us live.

Please, please make sure you click that subscribe button. Guys, you don't understand how thankful we are for you tuning in. We know it's really late on the east. coast, or wherever you're listening and watching us from, we really, really thank you. 18,000 watching us live. Please to make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you tell your family and friends to hit that subscribe button. Ocho, you know we're over 200,000 in just three weeks.

Yeah, we 200, we're 200k, bro. We go, we're going. We move in places. You know, I go. We're trying to get the half a meal by the end of the year or better. As a matter of fact, get a million. Get us to three quarters. Get a million.

A million by the end of the day. the year. Okay, that's our goal. I made you by the end of the year. You can do it. Man, that's awesome. Man, 18,000 people watching. If y'all if you can see me, if y'all can see me live, I love y'all, man. I appreciate you from the bottom of my heart. Me and Unk, man, like for real,

I'm not going to get emotional. I promise I'm not going to cry, but, man, I thank you. I love y'all. And appreciate y'all, man. Let's go. Oh, Joe. I don't know if you saw this tonight. But the Bucks, the Milwaukee Bucks playing the Atlanta of Hawks had Flavar Flav sing the national anthem.

Nah! That's what I said. Wait, Flavor Flav, Flav, Flav. Flav Flav! Flav! Yeah, boy. Big Claw and Flav! Yeah. And then the Bucs had a nerve

to, like, having, you know, the caption, they put it to about, yeah, boy. I said, no, boy, oh, no. Wait, how do you sound, though? It was that bad? Hold on. Have you ever heard Carl? you did you were young 93

Carl Lewis sung the national anthem at the next Bulls game Roseanne Barr Arnold I think you go by bar now Was it Roseanne? I remember Roseanne She was funny I don't know if that flavor play bro

I mean he up there Furgy you remember No No Yo Wait wait hold you remember when they Remixed Furgy thing You heard you remix Fergie thing

for a game. But here's the thing, Ocho, you have to understand. You can't use auto tunes and sing the national anthem. So that's your natural ball. It's not as easy as you think. And what people have tried to do

is that Marvin Gaye sung it. I think it was game two of the NBA finals against the Lakers. No, NBA All-Star. NBA All-Star. 1984. Okay. He sung it.

And then Whitney had it. And so everybody, See, everybody's trying to win the Grammy of singing that. Bro, just go up there and sing it and just keep it moving. Because you're going to mess it up. Marvin Gay's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner at the NBA All-Star Game in 84. I think it's either 84-85 and Whitney Houston

will supersede anything that's ever done. But now the fact that you said the Bucs allowed Flav-a-Flave to sing the national anthem, I need the Bengals to step up to the plate. And do what? I need the Bengals. Mike Brown, Troy, Katie, I know y'all going to see this. Elizabeth, if y'all see this,

please allow me to come in at some point this season and sing the national anthem. Let him come in and talk to the team, but do not let that man get in front of no microphone. Let me sing for you real quick. Let me start it off real quick. And you're going to be like, oh, my God, Ocho, I didn't know you can sing.

A quick story for you. I'm glad you said that. Quick story for you because you're not going to believe me. Listen, everybody watching. We got 18,000 people watching. Listen to me on, I promise you. I promise you. So remember the Coca-Cola commercial years ago with Tyrese?

Right, Tyrese, yeah. Getting on the bus? Yeah. I audition for that. Let me tell you why Tyrese got it, though. I auditioned for that. Because he can sing better than you. No, no, he can't sing better than me.

I had won the audition, right? I had won the audition, right? But boom, this is back when I was at Santa Monica College. So when they called me back, I didn't answer the phone because I had practice. and they ended up giving to Tyrese so he got the role but the fact that I could sing so well back then like that's

like that's what Tyrese took off he took off after that yeah he took off after that and I went to football route but if I could have been I'm really I was really a singer first you you dark skin you and Tyree's dark skinny's dark skinny

y'all got ball head that's right right that's it I'm just saying listen it came down to us the coca-cote looking at it came down to me and him. And he, hey, he, he, the real deal. I look up to him because I'm like, damn. And he was on Martin.

I'm like, God, damn, he played a piano and sing just like me. But I chose, I chose the football route. That's crazy. It's crazy how God worked, man. Yeah, let me hear, let me hear something. Give me, give me a little something. You ready? Yep.

Tell me, tell me what song you want me. Tell me what song. You're going to sing the national anthem, so let's start with that one. Oh, say, can you? Oh, Lord. No, that we good. We good. See, you don't hit that Carl Lewis already.

How was that? Carl Lewis. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I ain't even had no peppermint tea. That was right off the cuff. That was right off the cuff. I'm not even prepared. You just told me to sing.

That was bad. I don't care. Right off the cuff, the tea, the crease. That was bad. Hold on. Hold on. Give me a minute. Give me a minute.

Give me a minute. Let me, la, la, la. Give me a minute. Nah, don't hit that many rip until. No, no, no, no. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, Okay, I'm ready. You ready?

Yes. Watch this. Stay with me now. Stay with me. Oh, say, can you see? See, everybody can't hit that C. Everybody can hit that C. See.

Go ahead. By the dawn's early life. Oh, Lord, that's birthday. That's bad. I need some peppermint tea. I need some. I need some babies. What's so proud?

I got a call. whole too. That's why I sound like that. Ocho. Ocho. But you see, you see the potential, though. You see the potential. No, no, no, no. I see a lot of potential, a lot of things, Ocho. But that singing, Ocho, that's not an easy song to sing. It's not. Because you have to, you have to elevate and lawyer. Right, right. You got to have, you got to have, you got to have, you got to be, you got to

have that Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey, that Adele, that, that Jennifer. for Hudson, you got to be able to come here and take it down. Okay. What singer would you like to hear sing the national anthem? So they say, okay, okay, Ocho, we're going to give you a vote. Who would you like to sing an Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas? Super Bowl? Yes.

Stop playing on me. Give me, give me Kiki Wyatt. Okay. Girl, give me Kiki Wyatt or Jasmine Sullivan. Okay, okay. I can do it. Or Jennifer Hudson. Okay.

Listen, take me to church with it, please. Take me. Oh! Lord, have mercy. Boy, give me Jasmine Sullivan or Kiki Wyatt. Listen, I told, I told, I told, Real, listen, you know, I ain't getting married unless Kiki Wyatt sing at the wedding. Well, you paying for it? Who?

Yeah. But that's one thing I would pay for. Kiki Wyatt, Jasmine Sullivan, Fantasia. who else I'm leaving somebody out could have them sing the National Anthem even though she's not American Yeah yeah she can

Listen her voice Her voice And I haven't seen the live You've seen her live I haven't seen a laugh I'm just talking about From what I've seen From the music I've listened to

And people telling me And raving about her I was just in Vegas You know doing some work this past weekend And everybody they watch the show Everybody watching the song Everybody watches it They're watching it.

They're watching. Hey, you in town. Make sure you go see Adele and they're raving about how she sounds in person. Yeah. She's not like that. And they're like, man, listen, words can't describe how she sounds in person. You have to experience it. You got to see it. You got to hear.

You got to hear. You got to hear. And the fact that I was in Vegas, but I couldn't do it because the work I was doing was when the show was at night. I will, I definitely will probably go back and see her again before she leaves. Damn. I'm going to see Usher too. Yeah, I'm going to see Usher too. Yeah, hey, that Usher, that Usher, they list the real deal.

He is. He's the real deal. Okay, let's get to Coach Prime. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. They lost the UCLA, and they asked him about, he said, the big picture, you get new lineman. That's the pitcher, and I'm going to paint it perfectly for it. Ced door was sacked seven times, hit 17 other times, and knocked down 13 times. Damn.

They said the Bruins sacked him five times and the first time. leading to him getting a pain-killing injection at the half. You told me that it's all about, it's about delivery. Right. Did you like Coach Prime delivery? Because normally coach says, look, we're going to have to get better in certain areas. Obviously, it's not where we should be, but the guys are battling. The guys are working hard.

I watch them come to practice every day, work their tails off. We'll get it fixed. We're going to coach him up. we'll coach him a little better, they'll play a little better. Co-prime, very matter of fact, the picture is,

we're going to get new libel. Yeah. Did you like that presentation? Prime has always been unapologetically himself since he's arrived. The players in the locker room, they know who he is.

He hasn't changed. He hasn't wavered. He stayed true to himself in his coaching style, which differs from everyone else, obviously. Prime says some of the things, that others think, he just says them aloud.

He has an approach. He has a way that he wants to run his show, and he's running it that way. What he's done for that program in such a short amount of time is unbelievable. Yeah. And he said, I need six or eight more dogs. Yeah.

And the six or eight more dogs that he was talking about is the interior, the offensive line and the defensive line. He's going to get them. Yeah. After the battle, when it comes to college football, It's all about the interior line. The O line and D line, interior. Bingo.

And that's the only thing that separates Power 5 schools to your HBCUs to your other small division schools is the interior line. Look at the Georgia Bulldogs. How many D linemen and O lima they put into the league? Look at Bamma. How many O line and D line they put into the league? Go look at the SEC.

Every year, the SEC and the Big Ten, they lead. They got them hog, man. You got to have them. They got them hogs, man. Prime going to get them now. Prime going to get them. Because half of the battle is not, I was getting ready to say drafting,

not drafting. Recruiting. It's recruiting. Yeah. See, the thing is, but the portal, it's easy to go into portal. Guys don't want to recruit anymore.

Because guys that's in the portal, we already got film on them playing college. We already know they go to class, what they're, how they're going to do. So I've already got a head start. So now I got, okay, this guy really, really fit my program. I like him.

So I think you're going to probably see until they get a handle on it, what they're going to actually do with the portal. I think you're going to see more teams going, going that way. They're still going to recruit the high school athletes. That's not going away. Well, I don't think not very many, though, right? Not very many, not very many because you have to be special to be able to come in and actually contribute right away.

I don't think players want to come in and sit down, or I got to wait three years before I play. Yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting to see. But I'm surprised because here's the thing that I'm afraid of is I don't want the guys to like, well, you feel that way, hell, I ain't going to block no more. I ain't going to do nothing the rest of the year. You know what they?

They won't do that. They won't do that. They respond and they will respond well based on what he said. They're going to respond well. They're not the type of kids to shut down. I just wanted to beat Stanford because that way if he didn't want to be Stanford, when one more game, he's bowling. We could have gone bowling.

Yo, for real? Yeah. All you needed six wins. Oh, that'd be beautiful, man. That'd be beautiful. We're going to end on this one. Tyson Fury beats Francis Inganu by split decision. Was Francis Ngano wrong?

You're no good. Man, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, with no mask on. So that's wrong. He was wrong, he was rob, but no mask. going, listen, you know how much I love boxing. You know how much I love boxing. I have submerged myself in it, you know, since, obviously, since I was young, obviously stepping in the ring and doing it, you know, not at the highest level, but just doing it, dude, that was, that was a robbery. That was a robbery. And if you, if you, to watch the tweets of some of the boxers, some of the

best in the world to say it was an embarrassment to boxing. It was. If you are the, if you are the heavyweight king, if you are the heavyweight king, you do not allow somebody to come into your sport that is not familiar with. with your sport. He's familiar with combat sports, but not boxing. Yeah. To come in and look that polished, look that sharp, and out class and out box you. You just can't. It was an embarrassment to boxing from what the peers have said.

When I look, when I watched and I look at Tyson Fury, it looks to me that he didn't take it serious. He didn't train. No. And it didn't train. He always, he always looks. Yeah, he's always going to look like a garment bag. I mean, you know, he ain't got no shape to him.

I look. So he, so he built how he built. But I agree with you, Ocho, for an outsider. And that's what Francis Ngano is. He's an outsider. To come in and look that good. And you talk about this guy is the heavyweight champion of the world. And everybody that he's gotten in the ring with over the last,

he smoked them. Yeah. And Francis and Gondon. who won this fight. He won this fight. I don't know what the judges saw. I don't care if you just... And I know, I know the judges don't go by crowd reaction.

But Francis and Donald Landon to clean the punches. He was the aggressing the fight. And a knockdown. Yes. And a knock down. But I think... I don't think they wanted to set a precedent. I don't think they wanted to set a precedent of having a MA fighter with no boxing background

or boxing experience. He has combat experience. Yeah, that's totally different. him come in and beat the heavyweight champ of the world and it messed up everything else that fury and eusek you know they're supposed to fight some time of december it messes everything up and i i think they wanted to protect all that other stuff and just i mean it it's it was ridiculous it's ridiculous and there have been some other other decisions in boxing that have that have been questionable and this just goes down is it's just a total embarrassment yeah this was this was bad and i know

this probably you don't remember this this was as bad as when roy jones got robbed at the Olympics. When Floyd Mayweather got robbed at the Olympics, this was like that. Yeah. Yeah. This was like this, this is bad. Yeah. And matter of fact, those losses for Roy, though that loss for Floyd might have been more, more impactful than it was if they had been. The last time Floyd ever lost. That might

have been more impactful than anything. Last time we never ever lost to fight. He lost since. Yep. Well, thank you guys for 18,000. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on, man. Where we going now? We're doing. 18,000, Ocho. But I don't even know 18,000 people.

I know my baby. Anybody that know me personally, if y'all watch and I love y'all. I appreciate you. Maybe I know my baby probably what my kids watch. I know my kids watching y'all in college. Make sure you do your homework, too. I'm going to call your professor. And make sure you tell your friends, your kids, tell their friends to subscribe to this channel.

Tell your friends, tell your friends, friends. Your aunties and your uncle. Yes. 18,000? We got to go. We're trying to hit a milly. We tried to hit a milly by the ending. By December, by Christmas.

December 31st, we're going to need to be as close as we possibly can. What a friend we have in Jesus. Yeah, I wish you had a friend that can sing. I don't, unfortunately. Listen, I used to lead the choir as a little kid at Mount Oliver Baptist Church in Overtown, now. Don't do me like that. But you had three members.

at all of it? Oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Reverend Clark ain't played that. We had we had a membership. We had about 35, 3500 people. Yeah, we had, we had, we had, we had, we had, church, we had church.

It's a difference. Yeah. Well, we tried to get, we try to get, our goal, oh, Joe, let's, let's, a modest goal. Our goal is to hit by the end of November, be at half a million. What, what month are we in? We bought, we, uh, August, this is October the 30th tomorrow.

Oh, shit. It's the 30th? Tomorrow. I ain't even paid my, I ain't even paid my mortgage this month. Shit. Don't worry about it. They'll let you go about two or three months before they come and put, put chains on it. They'll let you, they'll let you go a couple of months before.

But then your credit, but then your credits go. Did your credit's go go? You be laid a paper, your credit's going to go. Yeah. You don't want your credit to go that deal. I ain't for the credit. I ain't playing with my credit score. I ain't playing with that.

I ain't playing with that. You know, every time I hit a question, and I want to ask you this for people that are watching, because I see it on Twitter all the time. Would. And there's always a question. 800 credit score, just say $500,000. What's you taking?

Well, the best credit. $500,000. But see, I'm not the right person to ask that. You or I are not the right person because we, we financial, we straight. What are you going to say, though? if I was an average person I would take the 500 grand I knew you're going to say that

no say you us what you're going to take oh me I'm taking 85 credit score okay okay we don't have to get into the details of why that's another topic I mean credit once you reach a certain level I don't think people understand everything I don't think people understand that everything I don't think they understand that though

because everybody on Twitter I'm taking the money. I'm taking the money. I'm taking the money. But I'm looking at it from a different perspective from a different lens. But you have to understand, Ocho, you can't, I mean, yeah, 500,000 of them is different because we're trying to go get something worth 10 million, 15 million. 500 ain't going to do nothing. Right, right. That may not go look at their credit scores. He's going to look at if you ever been bankrupt. Have you ever walked out on anything? Right, right, right. That's all. Like you said, we'll talk about that another day, but. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't care

with my credits for you, 834. You 834? Hey, hey, you heard that? I thought I said that. Hold on, hold on. Hey, you, you're in the age for real? Yeah, yeah. I'm in the age, too.

And I'm not going to tell you no lie. You want to know why I'm in the eights? You want to know I'm in the eights? No, I'm serious. Let me take a glass off so you know I'm not going to tell you that. You know, I always appreciate you about getting certain people in your life that can give you a little guidance and a little structure. I'm in the 8s.

Real got me in the 8s. Yeah. She got me in 8s. You got to help me out with a little credit. I ain't even knowing no goddamn credit line was. Help me out with a little credit line. Yeah. I ain't even had no debt.

I ain't even had no debt. But see, that's the thing. You got to have a little debt. Listen, it's a game. I ain't had none. I'm thinking I'm beating the system. Do not. I think I'm being the system being cheap,

not having no debt, not have no credit cards. I'm thinking I'm being the system. No. No. You know, we get, we get together about three, four years ago. And, you know, she helped me like, you know, I want to get, I want to, I want to, I want to get something. But what's your credit look like? My who?

Man, she didn't build me shit up until 8, 12. Yeah. That's what, that's what I'm telling you. See, stuff like that. When I really came out here, Ocho, yeah. The guy didn't want to, I had to, you know, had to get a place rather quickly because I got the job and I had to get out here. The guy didn't want to give me the place. He's like, there's something wrong.

I was like, what do you? mean there's something wrong. He says you got an 850 credit score and the only thing that you own is a house. I say why the hell do I need like 15 houses just because I got great credit? He said because everybody has great credit, they have multiple deaths, multiple that. I say

well I ain't them people. I live with them. I mean. I ain't trying to impress nobody. Right, right. So, man, and you know when they run your credit, it deems it. Yeah. Man, he doesn't do. Go down. Man, I knock my credit down to like 7.70. It's a game. It's a game that I

It's a game of discipline that I don't like. I'm going to get this condo now. You don't ding me down this right here. You won't give me this condo here. Or you will give me about 500,000. It doesn't ding my credit. Keep running my credit like something wrong. Why is the system rig like that?

I don't know what you. I don't know. I don't. That's another topic. Another topic. But you know what, Ocho, we just hit 205,000 followers. Excuse me. 205,000 subscribers.

We got 200,000. No, yeah, we got $295 to go to reach our goal of $500,000 by the end of November, and then we got another half a million to go to hit our goal by the end of December. So, guys, thank you for watching us live. Thank you, man. Thanks for tuning in for another episode of Nightcap.

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