The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - NFL Week 2 SNF Reaction

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson discuss Deion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes hanging on for the win over Colorado State, the Dallas Cowboys beating the New York Jets, Joe Burrow’s continued struggles causing Cincinnati Bengals’ 0-2 start, the Denver Broncos not winning with Russell Wilson, and Stephen A. Smith's beef with Terrell Owens.  #Volume #Club #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The crown is yours. Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of Nightcap with Unk and Ocho. I am Unc Shannon Sharp. He's my co-host, Chad Ochosinko Johnson. And let's not waste any time. Last night, one of the best college games, Ocho, that I've seen in a very, very long time. In-state rivals, there was a lot said.

Jay Norville took his shot. And, you know, my mom taught me that when I'm in a room, I don't take, I take off my sunglasses, I take off my hat, basically implying or inferring, or you can make reference to that Dion Sanders, mom, didn't raise him to the correct way. But there was a lot to be said, and so we knew the game was going to be a lot of pushing and a shoving. and I thought they'll let the emotions get, get away from them for too long. I understand that, you know, look, you can't take no shot at my coach today. You can't take a shot at my family

because I'm going to take my shots back at you. And so for me, Ocho, I thought the coaches, both coaches should have got a hold of their team a lot sooner. That withstanding, it was an outstanding ball game. What was your takeaway? Listen, it was a beautiful ball game. It was a great ball game. Penalties, in fact,

or the reason why Colorado State didn't win that game. 17 for a buck 82. Except for a buck 82. If you take away some of those penalties and it had a little bit more discipline, if the coaching was better. Yeah. Did his mom teach him that?

He would have been, he wouldn't have been able to stand on that hat and glasses common. Right. But obviously, it didn't go in his favor, but that was one hell of a goddamn game. All jokes aside, that was a great game. One of the, one of the, one of the best collegiate. the games I've seen this year so far.

Oh, it's the best game I've seen this year thus far. One of the best game that I've seen in a very long time. You know, you say 17 penalties for 18, for 18, for 18 and 82 yards. Yes. One of two things is going on here, Ocho. Either you're coaching it or you condone it. Which is it, Jay Norval? There's one of, coach players take on their coach's attitude.

Attitude, yeah. So either you coach that or you condone that. There were two cheap shots. And it almost put out, they put out one of their best players. to put out one of their best players. Travis Hunter, I don't know why that's not a targeting call because the safety waited until his guy got out of the way and then lowered a cheap shot on Travis Hunter.

And then we saw the defensive end, Kamara, basically bear a hug after the ball is thrown, pinned him so now he can't get his arms out to protect himself and drop all of his body weight on top of them. And Jay Noble is talking about after the game, well, I don't know how we doubled them up in penalties because you would play in dumb football. You're coaching dumb football.

That wasn't even coaching dumb football. That was, it's okay. I'm going to take that one. That's what that coach said. And I can tell by the, So he's condoning it. He condone that. You can tell by the safety's mannerisms after he made the hit.

He relaxed. He's not even chilling. He knew it was okay to take that shot. Right. And he knew said, if you get a flag, don't worry about it, coach, that was on me. I guarantee you. You could just tell.

You could tell. Yeah, they were trying to send a message because there are a lot. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Buffaloes were favored by 24 points. Obviously, they didn't win by 24. And the game was in the ballot. You have 11 point lead in the fourth quarter.

And if you play smart football, you play disciplined football, as you mentioned earlier, you're probably going to get out of Colorado, out of C, you out of Boulder, with a dub. With a dub. And now you get bragging rights.

Now you get to go in front of ESPN, you get to go in your soapbox and, you know, this is why I take my glasses. and this is where I take my hat off. Now you got to take your hat off, your sunglasses out with your tail between your leg, and going to ride it back up to Fort Collins because you caught that L.

Shudor Sanders, I don't know if you saw this, Ocho, but I tweeted, I said, you know what? He has a single digit number like Elway. Let's see if he can put a drive together. Make it reference to the drive that Elway had in 86 in Cleveland. He goes 98 yards. Down the field. Right.

They go into overtime, kick the game winning field goal. Shadour Sanders goes 98 yards, get the touchdown, but he has to go for two. Get the two. And Coach Prime did something I don't think I've ever seen a college coach do going in the overtime. Win the toss and take the ball. Because I want to know what I need.

Do I need a field goal to win? Do I need a touchdown? Or do I get the touchdown, do I go for two? Right. He says, you know what? I got a hot quarterback. And Sudeau I trust. you know on money they got in God I trust trust price prime says with the football game and should do her I trust he put the ball in his hands and says I want to put pressure on them I don't want any no pressure on us because I got the best player right on both teams teams and I want him with the ball in his hands listen when prime made that decision to take the ball first that is the ultimate trust in his son the ultimate trust in his offense the ultimate trust in everything that he talks about in believing and in everything that they have in that locker

room. The fact that he did that, which is almost frowned upon as a coach. Yes. You don't want the ball first. Because you're letting them know what they need to do. Bingo. And plus, you give them an opportunity because I also tweeted, I believe they go for two and try to win it here. Right.

Because now you got them on their heels. You just scored a touchdown. And he didn't do that. So now he left the door open for them to come back and play and to play on. But I'm not so sure in that situation. I really don't have anything to lose. Right. Because I was expected to lose it anyway.

Anyway, I think I'm going for two, Ocho. I don't know how you feel about it, but I think I'm going to go for two in that situation. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. I'm trying to get up out of there. Get him up out of it. I don't want no more pressure.

I don't want no more pressure on my back. And I'm trying to get up out of that with that W at all costs, going to kitchen sink at him. Man, I'm looking at Chador, and he had a slow start. But he ended the game 38 or 47. 348 yards, four touchdowns. He did have that pick that carry him off of his receiver, off the receiver's hand.

The question was, Ocho, is that you heard and I heard all last year. Yeah, he's putting up those numbers, but look at the level of competition. He's putting those numbers up against. And so now, what's your argument? There is none. There is none. And I will always, I will constantly say this.

This is a testament to players that feel that they have to be at big power five schools in order to get notice. if you can play the game, it doesn't matter where you go. They will find you. Listen, you could be a, if you was a nun and you was playing with the sisters of the north

at a Catholic church in the North Pole. Yes. And you good, they will find you. They will find you. Where you go is what you do once you get there. I don't care who you are. You know what?

Understand it. You don't have to go to no school and sit down for three years. No. You don't have to go sit down and wait to your senior to play. You can go somewhere And if you really like that, if you really him, let me, quick story.

When I was in, you know, when I was in high school, right? Right. Let me tell you something. Real, real small, real, real, just about being in high school,

my head coach. You know what my first name was? What? I am. You are what? I am. I am. You are a bitch?

You are a bitch? No, no. I am. You know what? Him. Yeah. Yeah. It don't matter what you was. What you are. They say you didn't start to your senior year.

Don't do me like that. That doesn't do me like that. If there's a lie, they told it in the barbershop. But you know that at the barbershop, I don't know what's true and what's real. Don't do me like that. Listen, you know who was on my high school team? You listen to me? Samari Role, Dwayne Starks.

That's why I know you weren't no DB. See, what you keep telling me, you told me I wanted to be a DV. But this is what I know about players, about athletes. Right, right. rise to the top. I don't care how crowd of that DB room was. If you like that, guess what? I go in there clear it out. Oh, no, Mr. Brown

wasn't having that. Mr. Brown wasn't having that. No, your skills wasn't having that. Let's get back. Let's get back. But I'm looking at but that game last night, the Buffalo's had every reason to say, you know what, man, we just

don't have it tonight. We had some penalties and costly situations. How many times did they allow them to run the drag or what we call a shallow cross, Ocho? Ocho. Over and over. And it was in men every time. I'm like, to myself,

I'm like, what we? Just goes on. Just pass that off. Pass it off. What we doing? Oh, who number, I can't even remember number 14 name. I don't know how many drags he caught. He caught by 30. 18 passes. Scream. He called.

he caught 16 he had 17 targets 18 targets caught 16 passes but basically all he was catching was shallows yeah the shallows over and over and over and they they didn't want to make the adjustments they didn't want to make the adjustments but everything panned out the way it was supposed to the way it's not the way i thought listen i'm going to be honest with you and not going to see him lie i love prime to death i love prime to death i thought that was that game was going to get away from me. Yes. Honestly,

I really thought the game was going to get away from. I was ruling for him. I thought he had his guys. I thought he had his guys too amped. I thought there were too am. I thought there was too. Here's the thing. You can take something personal,

but not make it personal. Right. And I thought they had started to make it personal. Personal. I thought that they had started to get out of who they were in order to get at them. Once he was able to get them in at halftime, settle them down and let them know, Hey, hey, calm down.

Calm down. At the end of the day, it's not whether or not, hey, only the 24 points, it matters to draft kings. Yeah. It doesn't matter to us. As long as we win the game, I'm good. Right. I believe in all of your guys.

And the one thing I love most about Coach Brian is that good or bad, he's always encouraging his players. He's hugged him. You okay? Maybe, maybe coach. because I remember, and you grew up probably, you're a little younger than I am, Ocho, but I remember when coach you used to grab you by your face mask,

pull you, put you in your chest, kick in your butt. Maybe because Coach Prime doesn't do that, he's not coach material. Because he's so encouraging, because he's so loving, so he's so complimentary. And he treats every one of those kids like they're his actual kids. Right, right. I mean, Coach Prime is different.

Coach Prime is different. It's one that the players can relate to. I think a lot of coaches envy that, envy that. He doesn't have the typical style of saying all the right things or going into your home and having to lie to your family and taking things just to get you to come there. And once you get there, they really don't treat you the same once they got you in-house. You know, things change all of a sudden. Right.

But Prime is very authentic. He's original. He's original. One of the things that very many coaches at the collegiate level aren't from day one. They have to be someone that they're not. And I think that that upsets him prime. He took the position, one of the most powerful positions in collegiate football that not many of us are afforded the opportunity to do, to lead men. Black men, white men, bringing everybody together and changing a program like this.

Right. And a snap over a finger. Right. That's unheard of, man. It is. You got people taking shots at you that have nothing to do with the game of football. Right. Nothing is going to ball.

My blessing ain't got nothing to do with your blessing. At all. At all. How many times have we seen Coach Prime give interviews with his sunglasses on, with his hat on? It wasn't like he just started this when he did it this week. Oh, I'm playing Colorado State. Well, let me see if I can get up under their coach's skin by doing an interview like this. He's done this before.

So this is not out of character for him. He's been doing it since the 80s, since the 90s. you know it's just him it's always always been it's always been him but the fact that his makeup and DNA isn't similar to theirs right okay something may right okay we don't like it right they find a reason you know what i'm most excited about why i wanted them to win obviously i want him to win because i believe in coach prime he's a good friend of mine but i wanted these naysayers and these haters to wait another week before they got something negative to say that's all that's really the reason You know, hey, yeah, I want to coach prime to go three and oh.

But I just wanted the haters to have another week. They got a bite their tongue because you know as soon as they lose a game, they're going to air it, they're going to spill out. Yeah, they are. They are. That's a part of the law. Everybody waiting on that downfall. Everybody's waiting on that downfall.

What it makes me think about is think about some of the best players ever that have done it, your Tom Brady's, your Floyd Mayweather. is Serena Williams. Yes. It gets to a point where you're so good at something. You're so good at something. You do it your way. You got people watching and tuning in just to see you fail.

That's the thing. They're not watching. They just want to say, you know what? I was there or I watched when Floyd got beat. I watched when Dion lost his first game or when Tom Brady. But see, they wanted to be in dramatic fashion. They don't just want you to lose. they wanted Florida to get knocked out.

They didn't want to go to a decision. They wanted to get knocked out. They wanted Serena to lose in straight sets, 6-1 and 6-love. So that's what's most disappointing. And a lot of people, yeah, yeah, there's something for the other side, but it's a lot of people in our community

that's rooting against time. And that's what's most disappointing. You think so? Listen, I mean, you would know better than me the landscape for you and your moral compass and your antennas is out there a little bit more than I am, but everybody on my end, oh, we, we loving it.

I'm sure you, you probably on the other side of the spectrum. I just didn't see none of, none of us really not root for, how could you not root for that? Because, how could you not root for that? Because it's not your success.

I want my success. And I, if I'm not successful, when they say misery loves company, uh-huh. Why would I want, why would I cheer for you when I'm over here sad? And I'm disappointed. And my life isn't going,

well. Like the reason why your life isn't going well is because coach prime is doing good at boulder. That's why your life isn't well. That's why things are not going well for you. And that's what I told. That's what I just told you last week. That's what I just told you last week when we just talked a few days ago, not too long ago. If you focus on what's on your plate, if you focus on what you got to eat and you lock in on what you got to eat and what you need to do to prepare your meal and stop worrying about the everybody else recipe, you're going to be all right. But we always and everybody else food

trying to see what they eating and you wonder why I shit don't taste right and got no goddamn season of flavor. Yeah. Man, it ain't even Sunday. It's Sunday, too. Don't make me preach today now. The Cowboys beat the Jets, 30 to 10.

I try to tell you, but you'll head hard. But you're going to learn sooner later. Turn the ball over four times. three picks, a fumble, as dominating as the Cowboys of Ben. And I think the thing is that because they've outscored their opponents, 70 to the 10, their offensive struggles have gone unnoticed. Right. They've been in the Red Zone 10 times.

They've scored five touchdown. The 21st in Red Zone touchdown percentage. They've had 10 drives in the Red Zone. They've only scored touchdown on five of them. Dak is only responsible for 14 of those 70 points. Two touchdowns. So I don't think this is a good, a good test or a good testament to who the Jets really are. This is not a good testament, not at all.

Because if you're going to base testing the Jets off a plan against the best, the best right now, statistically, deep of the team in the NFL, that is unfair. That is just unjust and that is unfair. I'm not, I'm not basing. I'm not basic enough that. I'm looking at the body of work that Zach Wilson has drawn from me. Well, you're talking about the past, man.

You're talking about the past. So, theoretically, everything resets. Everything, it's a new season. It's a new season. Theoretically, since you say everything is the past, 435 today is the past. But I'm just talking about what I saw today.

Now, how many games do you think they'll win with that quarterback playing like he played? Okay, well, one of the things that they don't have to do, was they don't have to face that goddamn Cowboys defense every goddamn week. They don't have to face that. So I think defensively, offensively, they'll be in better situations. You can game playing a little better because other teams are going to have weaknesses

and other things that you can manipulate offensively and help Zach Wilson out. Being able to put other, being able to put players in positions. Can you help him not throw the ball to the other team? Well, it's hard to read the defense when number 11 hitting you every time you drop back. Whoa. It's hard. It's hard.

read a defense when Mackay Parsons hitting you upside your head every play you drop back. Hold on. I need a red flag. I want to challenge something because when I told you on Monday night

about John Shal and turning the ball over, you say that's a part of the game. Now all of a sudden, defense ain't a part of the game. The other team is not allowed to have a good defense if we got a crappy quarterback. They need to have a crappy defense to match our crappy quarterback.

No, no. What we're not going to do is we're not going to call the quarterback crappy. If we have an engine, right, You listen to me. If you have an engine, when you put the key in your ignition, right? And you crank the car.

In order for that engine to work, don't every part inside that engine have to be working in unison, right, for that engine to go? But you already see that. But there we go. So we can't do the entire jets off. Thank you.

I know how we do. You know what? You know what, Ocho? I do you see you and I come from basically the same kind of upbringing. You wait till the car put us downside the road before we get rid of it. Now, if they failed to crank, you'd have to have your comb boy,

your auntie to come pick you up and take you to work. You know that cargo put you down side the road one day. But you know what? You said, nah, nah, I'm good because I just need a spark plug, you know, all the battery. A voltage regulator. New battery. Matter of fact, just for context purpose for people watching,

Honda, 2006. Mm-hmm. All day. And when it puts you downside the road, You like, and you, they're like, man, that looked like, Ocho Sinko side the road. Man, I know that there, Ocho. Hey, now everybody about to get that thing and go live

and got you walking side the road because it's going to put you down. So you're going to wait till Zach Wilson actually put you down side the road. He's not going to put me down. I understand the analogy I just use. It's a team game. Yeah.

When things go, when things go well, most of the time, the quarterback gets the credit. When things don't go well offensively, as they did the day, again, again, you're going against the best defense in the NFL. Like, it's not fair. It's really not fair to judge them off of this game today. And then being thrown

into the fire and then being thrown into the fire with Aaron Rogers going down. All I ask from you and the people, the Jess Nation, it even you, Shannon, a little patience. It's only week two. I ask you just give, give Zach Wilson another week.

another week. We're not trying to teach. That's all, that's all I'm asking for. We're not trying to teach kids how to party over here. We're grown-ups. We're grown-ups. I know we've grown, but you have to understand the situation at hand.

Understand the situation in hand. Have some type of sympathy and compassion. How about this here? You've heard people say this a lot. You can never out-exercise a bad diet. No team can always. overcome bad quarterback play. Not in today's game because they've made it so restrictive.

That's why the running back is not as bad as he once was because what they used to say, bring your run game and your defense and you can go places. Well, now they've devalued. They put so much emphasis on. Think about it. The defensive receiver, the incidental contact, the holding, the quarterback, you basically only hit the quarterback between his letters, his numbers. That's the only target you got.

You can't hit him in his head. You can't hit him below his waist and you can't touch anything. You cannot protect, you cannot hide it. There used to be a time you could hide your quarterback. Yeah. I can hide every other player on the offensive side of football. Yeah.

I can slide the line one way or another. Another. I can leave a back end to chip his way through. Yep, you're receiving. You can stack them up. You put them in motion if they can't get over. Yeah, yeah. I cannot hide that quarter.

I cannot, you can't hide him. Right. Pekaboo, they see you. They're going to make him play. Because once upon a time, you can make, you could make your quarterback a cheerleader. Now they made him a participant in the game. Oh, yeah. No longer a cheerleader.

Right. He's going to have to get exponentially better, Ocho, in order for them to go places. Because Miami, I don't know if you noticed, but Miami looked real good. But very good. Very good. I think, but listen, I always, I always believe in Tua. And I think for, for, for. a little bit is the same way everyone was doubting Tua

is the same way they're doing Zach. It's the same way. I mean, it's a little bit different because the supporting cast in Miami is a little bit different than that in New York. Here's the thing, this is what kind of, and we're going to talk about Cincinnati a little bit, but Joe Burrell, I'm always a little leery

when guys just have that one year. But we saw Tua over a span play well. We saw Zach Wilson for one. year. And it was like the Jets were sold on him. Like they didn't have they had their mind made up. Okay, Joe Burroughs going number one. They identify Zach Wilson without even looking at any of the other quarterbacks. And he had one year. He had one year. Go look at the year before at BYU. Right. I mean, the talent speaks for itself because when you turn the film on, that's what it's all about. It's about, I mean, obviously, scouts, what they look at, they do their homework. And they see

the film and when you see the film, it jumps out on you based on what he's able to do. No, what jumps out was his ability to throw the football. He threw the ball on one leg or he was on one knee and threw the ball 60 yards. How many times are he going to do that in the NFL? How many times? How many? Not many, but there are other variables to him that makes him a special, a good quarterback. It just hasn't panned out there.

Obviously, he has multiple angles they can throw the ball from. And when he was come out in the draft, I said he is Patrick Mahome Mitch. I didn't say he was Patrick Mahomes. So people don't run with. Oh, Chad said he was packed. I said Patrick Mahomes, you know, the ability to throw the ball, throw it over the top. He can throw it with his left.

He can do all that, you know, all that pretty stuff too. He just hasn't been able to do it. I think right now, one of the problems, playing in that goddamn New York media can really hurt your confidence. Having games like the day, where you turn the ball over. And one of the picks is a goddamn running back fault, but I'm not going to get into that because there's no,

I don't have a presentation to show to people that it ain't always Zach Wilson that's messing these, you know, right? These mistakes, but who do they blame it on? I mean, you know what, Ocho? If I was in the courtroom, I would really like you to be my defense attorney because you're trying to put up a formidable case. No, I'm not trying. I'm not, I'm not trying to take case. I got your own video. I got your own video. I got your on video going in the store and coming out with the TV.

That's you, Ocho. Is that you, Ocho? So I got. I got all this film on Zach Wilson. Stake it up to join. I got it on tape. What, Ocho, when you got into the league, what did they tell you? The eye in the sky don't lie.

It doesn't know how much money you make. It doesn't know how fast you are. It doesn't know if you're black. It doesn't know if you white. It doesn't know anything. All it does is record what it sees. It captures whatever it is. Now, what has that tape captured?

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podcasts. Again, today's game is really, it does, it's just does no, no justice. No justice for that team offensively, no justice for that, for the quarterback's confidence to have to play the best defense in the NFL. right now at all that that's just unfair especially coming off what just happened last week what do you think about the cowboys because i think the cowboy's offense if it's going unnoticed because the defense has been so outstanding and that you know what things the tides are going to turn now ties are going to turn when when when you first start off i i still remember this day

defenses all they got to do is read and react and just go yes they fly into the ball just reading react Offenses take a little time to jail. The chemistry to build up. I say by the time the cowboy gets about week three or four and they turn it on all cylinders, then you'll see a different ball game. And the good thing about it is if the defense can continue to play well. Right.

As if the demon continue to be well, and that often start to catch up. And the identity is showing on both sides. Right. Man, shit. But also, we're going to get four game tapes on that defense. And we're going to see what they like to consistently run to formations and what they like to do in certain areas of the field.

So we're going to get some more, we're going to get some more intel on things that they're doing. Right now, they're relentless at getting at your quarterback. Yeah. Because what they've done is that they're tackling the running back on the way to the quarterback. Dan Quinn said,

the hell with the running back. Go to Michael. Digi Zua. Go get D. Law. Go get the quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. Damn the running.

We'll let Wolf Hunter. We'll let those other guys worry about the running back attack the quarterback. Yeah. And they're doing a hell of a job. They've got like 12, 13 sacks in two games. Already digs, they digs them locking up everything. Yeah, because the notice ball got to come out quick. I mean, all you got to do it.

All you got to do is sit there. He didn't got to move. Read three step for what? I ain't budging, throw it. Because you know, digs. Let me get that. You got a double move dig. Because Diggs biting everything.

He's looking to get cheap pieces. You ain't even got no time to do no double moves. Ain't even no time. You got no time. You got no time. So the Jets, Aaron Rogers had surgery shortly after Dr. Neil Eletrosch of the Curling Joe Clinic out here. I know Dr. Eletroche.

I'm not surprised that he did the surgery. He's a world-renowned top athletes around the world come, get their knee done repaired by him, get their Achilles. He did what they call a speed bridge, and Rogers is hoping to be able to return during the playoffs. So basically in four months, now, I don't like to, especially with the advancement of medicine and the technology that they have, these surgeons are great.

Medicine and technology is great. But, T.O, we push in the upper threshold. Hold on. I need to put on a name tag because you just call me Tio. Did I? I be Ocho, my bad. Man, are you got to be up here sweating?

Four months, four months, four months, Ocho is, ooh. That's unheard of for something that takes, what, six to six to eight to recover? Six to eight? That's a six to nine month injury. Easy. Easy.

Because I think you, I think you, non-weight bearing for at least the first six to eight weeks. No walking. So that's half the time right there. Right, right. Listen, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I don't really know much of my.

I mean, where'd you stay at? So pretend to be one right now. Pretend to be one. Well, if you going to have a surgery, and I'm not sure what a bridge is, but technology actually is at a point in 2023 where it is at advance, where him actually coming for the playoffs logically can happen. It can happen. It can happen. But I just, that's scary. It's scary. With that you're two things, there are two things you don't play with. There are two things in life you don't play with them. Come to playing sports that scare me, even though I admit, thank God, I've never had

those injuries. Your Achilles, you don't want to play with. That groin, you don't want to play with. Yeah, yeah. You don't want to play with it. Anything soft tissue because any sudden movement is going to irritate it. You don't know what's going to happen. They said it's an internal brace and it's a speed bridge. So basically it helps, it says the speed bridge, protect and repair, it opens up the possibility of an earlier return. That's what I'm reading here in my notes.

Four months though, Ocho. That's, that's, Ocho, four months. Okay, here, think about it now. October. November, December, January. January. That's four months. That's four months.

I don't know. Maybe it's something else going on we don't know about. Maybe it's something. Maybe it's something else. You swapping out, swapping out something, placing something else in there, man. I don't know. Well, I don't know if they can do that with the key leads.

Now, I have heard of them using cadavers for ACLs. Now, you remember, AP came back up in the, I think he tore his ACL in December. And he came back and finished about eight yards, nine yards short of breaking Edie's record. Rush your yards in the season. He won the MVP, rushed for 2,097 yards on a very bad team. That was, I've never seen anything like it. Ever.

That was like December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September. That's nine months. You're talking about half the time with a more serious injury. Injury, yeah. That's scary. That's scary to me. And he's late 30s. AP probably was in his late 20s when that happened. So you add, you're adding 10 years.

Does age really play a factor when it comes to injuries in the healing process, though? Do you really believe in that? Yes, yes, yes. It's a proven fact. The older you are, the longer it takes you to heal. the older you are, longer it takes you to heal. Yes. I ain't never really believe in that.

I'm just saying, just honestly, just honestly, I'm never really believing that. Everybody's body's different. Everybody's body different. They have everybody's body reacts different to different things. I think people hear faster than others regardless of it. Yes, yes. It's your DNA, it's your makeup, it's just the way we are. I'm not saying, yes, some older people, what I'm saying.

But as we age, right. You know it takes longer to heal. You remember when you first came into the league, you could play a game. If somebody say, hey, Ocho, we need you to play a Thursday night game. You're like, man, I'm ready. Yeah. By year five, you're like, no, man,

I think I'm going to push that thing to Sunday. And then by the time you got the year eight or nine, you're like, yeah, a Monday night game would be even better. That body, the recoverability that the body had when we were younger, that thing don't don't function like it once did. I'm here to you. You call me T again, but it's so much. No, I did not.

You just said T. You know what? You go ahead. You, hey, listen, I know you ain't trying to say we look alike, because I'm, I'm handsome. Man, baby. Tio, Tio, Tio, so you're trying to say Tio not handsome? Tio, Tio, face is challenge, now.

Man, then you go, I'm going to let you have that one. Man, you know what it was? Tea, I love you, baby. You know what it is? You know what it is, O'Shea? that man been trending on my social media on my time yeah man we listen listen listen you talk to i need you i talk to him i talk to him i was i was going to reach out i was going to reach out to him tomorrow i talked to him in length yesterday i talked to him in length yesterday i said t t told me

the issues that that they had i'm not going to share him here because that's not the place to share him i also talk with stephen a smith i talk with stephen a smith i said steve man listen here man i love y'all I love both of y'all. You made both of y'all are inspiration and very motivation are motivating to me in different ways in different ways. I look up to you all in different ways. You're right. You're right.

I don't even tell you that all the time. Just know I admire the shit y'all got going on and what y'all have done. T, been watching T all my life. Stephen A, I've been watching you even when I was playing and actually couldn't wait to hear you at times, you know. This ain't what y'all need to be doing. Not, not, not, not this ain't what y'all need to do. Not us.

We don't need it. We did not, not, not. Not us. Not giving them something to talk about, oh, here go these in again. Look at the, you. That's why we can't have nice things because y'all going to tear it up between. I, I'm not even trying to say it, but I'm trying to find a way it. To facilitate.

Call each other. We could. We could. We can. We can. I'm a firm believer. And talk about it. I'm a firm believer.

We can disagree. You got your opinion. I got mine. You see something one way. I see something another way. But for me, if I got something to say, I'm going to call him. You and I're going to discuss it. Right.

And it's not going to be for the world to hear. Right, right, right. Right. So that's that's just, look, people, people attack me all the time. Because a lot of times, a lot of times, here, this is what I found out, Ocho. Yes, sir. A lot of times, if you can do something that they can do, but they can't do what you do.

You see, I sit up here and I was the first athlete, Skip Bayless and Fox gave me an opportunity as an athlete to sit across from a journalist and talk about not only the sport that I played, but basketball, baseball, social issues, golf, hockey, whatever the case may be. I was the first athlete to do that full time. Now, there are others that have come since me. But now a lot of times people look at me because I didn't come from a journalistic background.

I'm sitting across from a journalist and doing what he does. He could never live in my arena. And that breeds envy. That breeds jealousy. That bleeds a situation where I've got to try to, well, I know just as much as you. Right. Why you, especially if it's like me and you. Why would I, why would I feel a need to say, oh, I'm going to tell y'all what, what Ocho really like behind the scene?

I got this T on Ocho and I can't wait to spill it. What? Even if I knew it. Right. I wouldn't tell it. Right. And I ain't really got no tea because I live my life publicly. But listen, they need, they're both individuals that took different paths.

You know, Stephen A might not have played. He might not have played. Maybe he had a dream of playing, but he wasn't able to. So he went a different route. Right. T. He did play. You feel me?

But both of them climbed that mountain with obstacles in the way. They both made it to the top in the pinnacle of their childhood dreams, whatever it may be. There is no reason. There's no reason why they are at that top to be going back and forward with each other when they're the only ones that can hit themselves screaming. Because that's where everybody else trying to get to. we all trying to get where y'all at. Oh, Cho.

One climb one side of the mountain, the other climb the other side of the mountain, but they're both at the peak. Screaming at each other. You both, think about it, you both great in your chosen profession. Exactly.

Exactly. I love, you know, I love, you know, I've known, I've known T.O. I've always been a T.O. And I thought he got some bad rap, a bad press at times. I think some of the things

that he did bring upon himself, I've known Stephen A for the better part of a decade, have gotten to know him a little better over the last year. And so I have nothing but love and respect for both guys. But I agree with you. This is something that I believe that we can handle behind closed doors. Yeah. I don't know what the issues are.

I don't really care to know. But I think both of knowing Stephen A, the way I know him, he's done with it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, knowing T, as much as I know T, he's done with it. He's done with it.

You both. I'm glad. I had to pause for a minute and think about it a little bit because I love him. That's my brother. I'm talking about my, I'm talking about loving. Like, ain't nothing.

Ain't none of that. But I think I talk to him, you know, and I think things are going to be okay. I want them two gentlemen, man, to sit down and hash out their differences and just just let bygone be bygones and just keep going with. they do and they respect the worlds. Yeah,

I'm all for that, bro, because like I said, I ain't, I ain't out here trying to bash. I'm not going to bash. Look, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I talk about somebody, I talk about, I'm just talking about someone from our community that plays a professional sport. Mm-hmm. I'm talking about you in that arena. I'm not talking about you personally. It's not personally.

I'm not talking. Now, if you get you yourself in trouble, you get a DUI, you do something crazy. I've got to address that. But normally when I speak, I'm speaking about your performance or lack of. And when a lot of time the new telling the truth is labeled hate and jealousy. Not, I'm just telling you you didn't play well. Right. And that's something that I'm going to need you.

And I'm glad. I'm, God, I'm so glad you said that. Now that I'm in that space, I have, there's one of the few things that I have a hard time doing. If you follow me throughout the years, if you follow me on Twitter, people that are watching, I have a hard time critiquing people. I have a hard time being critical of people because there is no harsher critic to these athletes that are playing in those arenas today than themselves. And to me, I feel it doesn't do them justice or me justice to sit on any platform

and say, well, so-and-so didn't do this based on whatever regard or standard I hold them to, if that makes sense. I have to get a little bit more savvy with it the way you are, or the way Stephen A does to where I can be critical of an athlete's performance without him being upset or be considered hating for that matter. Well, he's going to be upset. First of all, Ocho, let me tell you, let me tell you what Coach Prime, and he and I used to talk all the time.

He said the reason why they get upset with you is that the argument that they used to use is that you didn't play the game. And if you did play the game, you weren't very good. Okay, I'm a three-time Super Bowl champ. Right, right, right. A four-time first team all pro, and I got something. I was number 267. I'm in a room with less than 400 bus.

So now what's your argument? You can't say I didn't play because I played 14 years. You can't say I didn't win anything because I won three chip. You can't say I wasn't that good because I got a gold jacket. So it cuts a little deeper when I say it. But just take it and says, you know what? Instead of saying that man is hating, that man got an eye. Because I heard he was a student of the game.

And I know where he came from and how hard he worked to get to where he got. So instead of taking it as a, I'm going to take it as constructive criticism. Criticism. This man is trying to give me something that's going to help me, not hurt me. Okay. And so if they were to take, if they were to look at that, because you have to understand, they put you up there because you played the game at a high level and you see the game through a lens that the person at home is watching can never see through.

He's never see. Right. So you can offer an insight. That's what you're giving. If somebody, like, I'm telling you the coverage that the defense is in and where the ball should have gone or what the route, the receiver should have run, you can't get mad at me because I'm telling you. But they take it like, man, you try.

And they always hear the thing, man, you know you bringing a black man down. Bro, I'm not sure. Bro, I ain't trying to bring no black man down. All I'm saying is I'm critiquing your game. It's saying in that game, I'm not trying to take away anything that you've done in the past. So whatever you've done, the all pros, the pro bowl, the DPO-wise, the MVPs, that's yours. But today, Sunday, Monday or Thursday, you didn't play well. That's all I'm saying.

Okay. I got you. I got that's something I have to learn to navigate and get a little bit more comfortable with. Get a little bit more comfortable with doing in the right way. because I just, you ever have players come up to you? Yes. Yeah. But you know what I look?

The best, the thing that they come up, a lot of them. Like they, like they were going to beat you, they were going to beat you up? No. Okay. That ain't going to happen. I'm just, we'll, we'll have a healthy discussion, but they go. That ain't going down. That ain't going to happen like that.

But you know what? You know what they tell me? They'll know what they tell me on your talk, real talk. They say, man, you hard. Yeah. Fair. Right. you fair. And at the end of the day, that's all I can do.

As you get further and further away from the game, you'll have less and less guys that you played with and played against. It gets easier. But I'd never had a problem telling the truth, because I would tell the truth when I played bad or I would call up my own teammates when they didn't play good. So for me, just tell the truth. I'm never going to ask a man more than I'm willing to give. So just take a man. Like, man, man, Shannon Sharp, man. I mean, look at what that man accomplished. He must know something.

Right, right. You can't accidentally. You can't accidentally. You just don't accidentally and stumble up in the Hall of Fame. You don't fall your way into three Super Bowl, Ocho. You're right. You're right. Well, shoot, let me see.

I ain't got no, I made my own jacket, so I'm, like, kind of qualified. I inducted myself. But you are qualified because you played the game at a high level. You were a student of a game. I were good, too. Yeah. Yeah. And because you offered opinion,

this is, you know what? This is what I saw. It's just unfamiliar territory for me. It's unfamiliar. I'm just going to be honest. And you might not have followed me closely throughout my career,

but people that do is one thing I always do. I'm going to lift up and pump up any and everybody. If there's something negative going around an individual, who will be the first one on Twitter to find the littleest positive, the littest. So just having to critique and analyze anybody in a negative. I know what it is like to have a bad game. I know what it's like to drop a ball,

a ball that matters. I know what it is like. I've been there. In my mind, in my mind, I'm thinking like, who in the fuck I think I am to be not be playing and be criticized and do that I're playing

that are going through the same thing I went through when I was playing? That's, I just, it's hard. It's part of the game, but it's just hard. But because you offer a critique, of someone, that doesn't mean

you're criticizing him. You're criticizing his performance or the play in that particular game. They can't separate the two. That's a problem. That's not a you problem. So let me ask you a question. Who cutting the checks? Drab Kings or they?

What you mean? For me? Yeah. Or you mean in general? No, right now. Okay, well, it's two separate checks being cut. Exactly. And then, you know, My old lady cut the check. I'm going to stay at home dad. I got a little allowance. What?

Yeah, that's another story. When we finish football, we get on that. I want to talk to you real quick to revisit something back from January, but go ahead. Okay. Yeah. So that's the thing. And I think once guys understand that, because I'm not going to take a personal shot at you. I'm just going to say, you know, this is what transpired blah.

You shouldn't have let this happen. Okay, you know zero coverage. Why would you let the guy inside of your DV? Okay. You know you see the blitz coming. Okay, why would you let the guy beat you inside? Okay, you got to step with you. You got to be strong with your inside foot because you see the guy is going to come inside.

Right, right, right, right. If you see the safety down, if I see the safety down, where do you think the guy in front of me is going? He's going to cross my face because he has to because the safety is down. Down, yeah. And if you study take, they know that. Now, you know what, Ocho, they get to practice too. Now, they're going to give you a look or two that you haven't studied. Seen, yeah.

But more time than not. not they're going to be true to who they are down in distance area of the field yeah not not not much changes to a game plan a wrinkle here a wrinkle there it'd be the same plays you watch on film just different formation and different salad dressing as I called it but what you're going to do you're going to react improvisation the really great players have great improvisational skills mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah why did you do that I say because let me tell you what happened I say see when y'all drew them eggs and nose on the boards they didn't move I knew some game time he was going to move.

Right, right, right. Right, right. Right. Oh, okay, we got to talk about this. Yo Bengals, your bangles, who day, when day, going to get a win. When day? Joe Burrow, hey, Joe Burrow not looking good, Ocho. He not looking good.

Listen, we started O'N two last year. He wasn't looking good then either. We started, oh, we started O and two last year. We wasn't looking good either. The cream always rides to the crop. Have you ever made Pillsbury croissants in the oven? Have you ever made them? No.

No. You know how they start out? They start out flat. I start out flat. And over time, when you put the oven on 350, they start to plump up. All I know is croissants don't start a pancakes mix. So all I know is that when yo-yo guy came into the season with a calf injury. And he said after the day, he aggravated that injury.

Now, let me tell you something how my thought process was and when I went. Normally when you limp into the season, you limp out of the season. Isn't that true, Ocho? Normally when you come into the season with an injury, how do you get healthy? How you get healthy when you go out there and practice and you got to play every Sunday? So how do you get healthy? Because when you have surgery, when you're a normal person, what you do, Ocho, you have an injury, they say rest, rest, eye, compression, elevator. Now, how do you do that in the NFL?

Listen, this is the NFL, right? Yeah, not for long if you don't get it right. Not for long if you don't get it right. But, you know, even though it's week two, it's about 80% of players that are down healthy, everybody ain't fresh. Yeah. That's a part of the game.

Everybody ain't fresh. People got hurt in the preseason. People get hurt in practice. Nobody, nobody is 100%. And it's only week two. That's a part of the game. It's going to always be like that. And it's going to continue to stay like that.

No matter how much they try to protect the players, you're going to get hurt. You're going to have Knicks and Knicks, Nax. Yeah, but you don't want that guy to be hurt. He said, wait, of course you don't want to be hurt. He said, it bothers them a little bit. Did it affect his gameplay today? Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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We scored three points last week. We scored 24 points a day. You see what's direction we're going? Are you with me? Are you with me? We didn't win the game. But let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

Does this offense, how does it look to you? How does he look? How does Jamar Chase look? Do you see the frustration building on Jamar Chase? Okay. It's only week two. It's only week two. we are going to be fine.

We are going to be fine. Listen, I remember, I remember being frustrated too in week two when things weren't going well. But Carson and I, I wouldn't get in that ball like I felt I should be getting it. Well, y'all wouldn't. And then, listen, and then wait a minute. We got about week three, we got about week three. I probably had two, after two, two games, I probably had about 45 yards.

I'm mad. I'm upset. I'm side eye and Carson on the sideline. Yeah. You know But I ain't saying nothing You know I'm not saying that

Well we get the week three And they go for 180 We get the week four I go for 260 What You had a 260 in there What Well you ain't never see me

Play you better Google me Oh man Yeah And then it all It all just start The fall It all just start

Listen God got favor On them bangles We're gonna be all right Jamar Chase is going to have a hell of a season regardless of what's going on right now. It's never how you start. And I know, Jamar, I know you're going to see this.

It's never how you start. It's how you finish. And I guarantee you this. You will still finish top five and targets and receiving yards when it's all set and done this season. Guarantee you. And they still got, they got the dolphins, the chiefs, Packers and the bills before. Win.

When? When? When? What was working again? against you for the division, you're owing two in your division. Huh? You owe and two in your division. Let me talk to you real quick.

Stay with me, right? It's Sunday, huh? Yeah. You know Mary? Yeah. You know what Mary had? What, yeah. A lamb?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. She had a little lamb. You know what they do? You know what they do the little lambs? What? Lamb chops. Lollipops.

I like mine a little on the rare side. I don't know how you like yours. Listen, on a serious note, we're going to get it together. For some reason, all serious, all jokes aside, on a serious note, for some reason, the Bengals, we always have a slow start. We always have a slow start. It's happened now three years in a row with us having a slow start. And these same questions always happen to the media.

Oh, what's wrong with the Bengals? Oh, what's wrong with Joe Burrow? Man, we're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. What y'all going to do with that old line? The old line has been the same problem when we went to the Super Bowl. The old line was the same problem

when we went to the AFC championship. And we didn't hear me about the old line. We are going to be okay. Ocho. We're going to be alright. Ocho, you can't keep taking those. You see what that? You see, you see Andrew Luck?

They force Andrew Luck to retire 30. Not. Because that opens up in the line. What you're not going to do is say our offensive line as bad as that offensive line that Andrew Luck had. Don't do that. Don't do me like that.

Don't do that. Don't do that. The devil is a lie. Because Burrow was so historically great in that playoff run, that man got sacked 19 times in four games. That's unheard of in a playoff run. Yeah. He got sack nine times and still won a game.

You're right. That's unheard of. You know what it is heard of? That is a testament to how great Joe Burrow is. Yes. Yes. How great he is. Yes.

But you can't consistently over. overcome poor offensive line play. You are right. Listen, the adjustments will be made. Those adjustments will be made in-house. I think he has an opportunity to be his accuracy, his ability to throw the football

with Higgins and Chase. He has, boy, they got a decent running game with mixing. Great running game, but go ahead. I say good idea. Ugh. So you've lost You lost no confidence in you're, you're good.

Oh, good. No, no, that's, see, sometimes in relationships, right? Sometimes in relationships. Uh-oh, here we go. Ups and downs. Ups and downs. Just like the bank of right now. How many ups and how many downs?

Well, it's only been two downs. Because they're up. It's only been two downs. It's been two downs. Y'all had two arguments and it looked like you ready to jump ship. You ready to jump ship after two arguments. Did she talk about my mama because I got to go. She talked about my mama granted.

I got to go. No, no. Okay, well, I'll work it out. I'll work it out. You can work it out. You can work it out. The Broncos, they have an 18-point lead. They were of 21 to 3.

And we heard this talk about this new culture. You got a coach that's making probably somewhere between 18 and $20 million. You got a quarterback making a north of $45 million. dollars and I mean what's going on don't you we put up the point who put up who put up the points today offensively

the Broncos had a 213 lead Russ started out on Arizona no no no no he's played they played the commanders yeah no I mean commanders yeah my bad they played the commanders got out to a 213 lead and you know a couple of turnover you know the quickest way to get yourself

out of a game and get the other team back in He'll turn the ball over. Give him the ball. Yeah, man. Every time. What's going on with Russ? What's going on with him? I like, I like Russ.

Is football still number one to him? What else would it be? He promotes nothing else outside of just football. He promotes nothing else. He lives, eats, you know what football always had. He's a quarterback. He had no choice. But what happened?

Have you seen, I've never seen a guy without an injury, look like he's looked the last year and a half. The last part of when he was in Seattle, last year, okay, we can blame that on Nathaniel Hackett said, okay, maybe Nathaniel Hackett was over his head. Maybe he didn't deserve to be a head coach. Right. But you've got to look at Russ, the last half of when he was in Seattle,

and look at Denver last year. Now, something ain't right. Ocho. We got a, no, ain't nothing wrong with them. Ain't nothing wrong with them. I think what we have to do is we have expectations for players. We have expectation for players in partnership. You make $45 million.

When certain partnerships come together, oh, we got Sean Payton. We got Russell Wilson. Sean Payton comes in with the iron fist. That's the way he's going to rule. So we expect with Sean Payton coming in with the iron fist telling Russell Wilson, well, this is how things are going to go. This is the thing is going to be. and we're going to get you back to this way

and playing football the way I want you to play football as a quarterback of my team. It just, it hasn't panned out in the way it should, but is it the time to hit the panic button in week two? No, no, I just think the thing that made Russ sensational. The defense? His legs? Yeah, his leg, the defense and his legs.

He can still move like you. He can't move like, man, I saw them joke. Look, I saw a play today. Russ would have been out of bounds, grabbed him a cup of water on the posing gaiter, on the sideline, drank it, and got back in the game. They ran him down and time ran up the clock. They had to kill the clock.

He's not the same. And I think he's a phenomenal, I think he's a phenomenal man. I think he's a phenomenal husband. And I'm just basing that on what I see. I don't know what goes on in that man's household behind closed door. It could all be a lie. I don't believe it is.

No, I think that's, but I'm not judging him on that. I'm judging him. I believe blue and orange. All that other stuff, he can have 33 kids. I don't care. Right. I need you to play quarterback. Quarterback for my Broncos.

At a high level. And right now it's not getting done. Now, you've lost your first, think about it, Ocho. You've lost your first two games at home. You got to go on the road. On the road. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, listen, if there's one person who's going to make it happen, you get, you paying one person 40, 40, what? How much Russell would make it? Forty-what, 45, 46, 48? What, they paying the coach that they just bought in? Probably somewhere probably 18, 20. That magic going to happen. That magic is going to happen. It's going to happen.

It had no choice to it had no choice but to turn around just based on the work that they put in to this point. Man, I'm tired of, I'm tired of jumping on everybody else's bandwagon. because my team not good and everybody else team in the playoffs and mine not. Listen, life, football,

ups and downs, peaks and valleys. We just had an anniversary, our 25th anniversary of our second Super Bowl that unfortunately I wasn't able to attend. That's what Bronco fans are used to.

They're used to winning. We ain't been to the playoffs since Hamilton was a hatchet. Well, y'all just won a Super Bowl not long. ago now, come on. You know how long ago that? That wasn't even that long ago, now.

Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't be selfish now. This is what we're used to, Ocho. You see this? If you're not. I'm just saying, I ain't never had one in them. That's pretty, though.

Well, I help get three of these. That's what we used to, Ocho. You see what I'm saying? That's what we used to in Denver. I want a few of them on Madden, though. I know, yeah, I'm just, I'm just being honest. Yeah, I wanted to bring one of them to Cincinnati, too. I tried.

I did everything I could. I mean, that's just, it was. It wasn't my minute. You know how many teams done, done, got one of these, my homeboy, I got two of these since the Broncos won their last one in 15. The Patriot, Tampa. Yeah. I don't know. What you want, Brady?

You want Brady to come and play for Denver? I'll take it. Hey, I'll take it. I'll take him. I'll take him. Your answer is Russell Wilson will always be Russell Wilson. Give me Thomas Edward, Patrick, Brady, Jr. Your answer is Russell Wilson.

Trust me. Listen to me. Okay, what's the question? Sierra's husband? Yes. Is that the question you asking? No, I'm telling you that's the answer. Trust me.

Trust me. Hold on. I drop my little in peace. Go ahead. Grab it right quick. Well, what's the next topic? Did you see Gardner Johnson? He came to the game with the ski masks on. I mean, he was decked out.

He had a nice little ensemble. He put some body in with Ocho. He just did like, yeah, man, I'm just going to wear this. He's like, hey, this thing will be like that. He told the fans that wear masks too. Yeah. And then when the Seahawks beat them, now they got masks on. Listen, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the, that's, that's, that's the, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the nature of the beast. That's the nature of the beast. But again, but listen, this is what I like, though. What? This is a different Lions team, man. Yeah, for sure. This is the different Lions team. Yeah, I have every year, every year the same is always the same teams and contention. And every year, there's always one team that comes out the blue and has a phenomenal season and surprises everybody and makes a play

out front. And guess who that's going to be this year? You like the Lions? I like the Lions. I like the Lions. I don't know what the hell Dan Campbell feeding them boys over there. He got to believe it. He be believing, just like Prime. He got them believing. But not only are they believing is showing up on the field of play. When you turn on the film, when you watch the games, they're competing. They compete with teams normally that they couldn't compete with. And of course, people would, of course, people would be like, well, so-and-so didn't play. That's the part of the game. Injuries is the part of the game. Sometimes, You're going to play somebody and they won't have a certain player playing. You still got to go out there.

Next man up. Next man up. I'm telling you the Lions got something special brewing over there. And I don't know what it is. But I like CJ Gardner, man. He's leading that defense man with a certain type of attitude. He walk a certain way. He talk a certain way.

They're going to be all right. Were you petty? I mean, did you ever do? I mean, you're in the same division as Ray. Ray had the coldest intro in the history of the NFL. Did you ever think about when you scored a touchdown on the Ravens doing his dance? No, no, no. Because when they made, they made fun of me.

I think they made fun of me and they were still some of the stuff I did. But I never, I never mocked any of them. No, no, it's funny. As entertaining and fun as I was, I was very respectful to my opponents. Right. Very respectful. Even though I talked trash. You thought sending them pep to Bismore.

Yeah. But see, the stuff I did wasn't malicious. It was more of an intent to It's time to compete Because here I come But I'm gonna do it in a fun way But here's the thing Intent only matters to you

Right Because the difference between manslaughter and murder Is intent One is malice One is accidental The victim is still dead Right So whether you intended to be a

A thought jovial He's still just as offended Right Well that ain't got nothing to do with it starts That ain't anything to do with me Because when it was time to line up, you already knew it was coming. You were going to get that work. You was from getting that work.

And listen, there's a reason we, you know, it's a reason games are played on Sunday, huh? Yes. Yeah. So I could bless you. Yeah. Oh, listen. I want to, you know what I want to know.

I want to know. Can you tell the people at home what you was thinking when you tried to crack back on Ray? Oh, I, I, I, you tried to sneakie. Hey, I tried to sneakie, but this is the funny part about it. A lot of people don't, if you, if you look at the, film, right? And this is what people feel to realize. You know, let me talk. Let me listen to me, Natalie. I lie for you before I lie to you, baby. You know that. Well, sometimes you just lie, but go here. If you look at the film, right? If you look at the

film and replay it again, as I'm going, you'll notice my shoe string on my left shoe is untied. So when I'm getting ready to go into Ray, you understand physics, common sense, physics. You learn this when you're in elementary. Low man wins. It's about having leverage. Right. I ain't had a lever. because my trajectory was thrown off because as I was going to hit Ray, boom, I stepped on my shoestring and it caused me to raise up a little bit. And so when I raise up and Ray went through me, I had no leverage to go through him. That's why I fell back. That's all. That's all. I don't like the physics and that. Normally when you step on your shoe string, you fall down. So I ain't never seen

nobody step on the shoe string and it raise up. No, no, no, listen, I'm going forward. Right. And you know, you got to go through him. Yeah. So. I stepped on a shoe string on contact. So it was easy for me to go up that way. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to think 250 coming this way, 185 going that way. It don't, it ain't about that.

It's about this right here. It's by this right here. A lot of people ain't got this. Oh, you can't see my heart. You see my heart? It's about that. That isn't there. Listen, I played rate for a decade straight.

A decade straight. And every time I've seen him, I try to knock his head off. Ask me how many times I won. None. I didn't care. I didn't care. I didn't care.

I get your A-for-ever because you kept coming back. It takes a special type of person. Every day. Every day. Every day. If I see him right now, I'm going to run into him again. We ain't got to have no pads on. I'm going to run into him every day.

But I love Ray, man. You know, you know the funny story? A lot of people don't know. A lot of people don't know, man. Ray and I, it's a funny thing, man, for 10 years. straight before every game, Ray and I read a scripture. Every game, even if I was playing away, I'd never forget at 10 o'clock. We'd always get that Bible. He'd get that scripture and we'll read it together before I

go out there and play. And the damnedest thing, even the games when we would play, the fact that you would sit there and read a scripture with me and talk to me about the man upstairs and then permit to try to hurt me on that field when that was to blow. It's mind-boggling how the switch just goes completely off. And it's about football. Yeah. That's my dude, man. That's, I love him to death, man.

Good, good memories, good stories. I'm, uh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what we going? What we're going. I'm not finished because I, we, we're back tomorrow. No, we got a double handle tomorrow. We do. What you want to talk about? What you want to talk about?

We talk about whatever you want to. You want to save it? No, go ahead. I just, I just want, this would be, this would be like the extended version for the people at home. Now, we talked about, we, we all football. Now, we talk about life. We just, we talk about life. Okay, we talked about you a long time ago.

You said you need have no partner. You were single. So I found somebody for you. That's what I wanted you to know. I found somebody for you. Man, I look desperate. No, I'm not saying you're desperate, but you look at a lot. You got people thinking I'm thirsty.

I say you're thirsty, but I'm trying to make sure you quenched. Nah, no, no. If you got, if you got anything to do with it, I don't want no parts of it. Because I already know, I already know you also bulljad. No, I know,

listen, listen, listen, listen, I want, I want you happy and smiling like me. You see how I'm smiling? Look at me. I'm happy.

I know, no, you, you think you happy. I'm, listen, God said, when a man

findeth a wife, he findeth a good thing. You got a girlfriend? When a man has a wife, he's a short headaches. Not, see,

that's the problem. You find it. but you ain't you fighting the wrong one. No, no, no, no, no, no. Huh? I got you. I got you. No.

Oh, let me tell you. I already gave you a number. I already gave you a number. What I, what did I tell you? What did I tell you? What? If you date in private, you can break up in private.

But if you date publicly, you have to break up publicly. If you got the hatter. No, no. If you got the hatter, you ain't going to get behind her. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. I mean, no, if you got the hatter.

If you got to hide her, don't try to get behind her. Don't do that. I need you to scream. I need you to love her out loud, brother. I need you to profess your love for. See, hold on. This relationship between her and I. Right.

Yes. No, between you and her and that man upstairs. Yes. He sees. Even if I, even if y'all don't see, he sees. Okay. He's omnipotent. I want you in a position like I'm in.

I got one problem I found a good one but I'm having a small issue What's the issue? She talked about we get married next year right Right That's what you told me Stay with me

Stay with me though Okay Had the nerve They bring me papers To sign a pre-nup Oh yeah You're supposed to Uh-uh

Uh-uh woman has provided me with the ability to be a stay-at-home dad. I ain't got to do nothing but take care of kids. I get to play video games all day. I ain't got to go to work. You know what that feel like? You know, to have somebody, the roles are reversed now. Yeah.

So now I see how women be feeling when they be like going crazy over dudes, when they got money. When the dudes got money, oh, I get, oh, I get it now. You get the chill and you ain't got to do it. Ocho, I'm a guy, and that's what I tell my friends and even guys that don't have money. Yes, I say sign a pre. They say, well, Shaw, why should I sign a pre-nup? I ain't got nothing.

I say, because therefore, when you leave, you take all of your nothing and not half of it. You see, because, see, what happens in divorce, they take half the money and all the hoo-ha. That's not a fair trade-off to me, Ocho. See, you hear what you just said? That's why I ain't signing nothing. Because this lifestyle that she has provided me, you know. You know how women are. Women are fickle. One day, one day, I'm fickle too. One day, she's going to love me. She love me. Let me take, let me take, let me take, what happened? What happened when maybe wake up one day and be like,

Ocho, whatever, whatever, listen, if I had a guy, if I had a married my college, if everything had had gone according to plan, I'm married my college sweetheart. Let's just say for the sake of argument, I'm worth nine figures. Mm-hmm. Did you, did I lose your, Ocho? Yeah. Oh, you back nine. Yeah, I was saying that if I was worth nine figures and she was with me in college and I get to that number, yeah, baby you take half. I appreciate everything. I'm good. But I'm not going to let you come in and I'm going to standing on top of the mountain and you ain't helped get me there.

And you think you're going to get half. Oh, that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. I like it. I like it. Whatever we said in the pre-down up, That's why we have a contract. You know, back in the day, you know what the contract was?

It was a meeting of the minds. Right. I can't, okay, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to give you my calf. You give me some of your grain or you give me some of your produce. Okay. But somehow along the way, somebody started backing out. And so now we had to get one of these.

We had to get that thing on paper. Right. Because there was no longer a meeting of the minds. Right. So now I ain't got no problem I'm a very generous person I don't I'm a very generous person To a fault me too too too a

You can tell her My mom My sister My kids You know I help my kids I don't do all for them now I say y'all at the age I pay for you Go get educated

And you can do for yourself But as long as you're doing for yourself If you need dad I'm willing I'm here I'm not your first choice I'm your last option because I sent you to school and I gave you great tools to try to figure it out for yourself before you can. Now, I'm not going to let you go under unless you're doing some bulljive.

Now, if you do some bulljive, yeah. Yong yong, yeah. But, no, no, I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. You know, I got a guy by eye. Oh, call me Snake Eye with him, I got my eye on something. Nah, nah, nah, we're going to do that. We ain't going to do that. Listen, you didn't have, listen, listen, Snake Eye, you don't have you had the eye on.

many for many of years. You didn't have your eye on many for many of years, but it hadn't panned out. You need, listen, listen to, I've, listen, listen, I need you next year. I need a plus one. I need, I need you to stay with this plus one. Listen to me now. I ain't going to stay you wrong. When you get mad?

Listen, when I, next, I'm trying to get out of sign this pre-nup, man, because if she leave, I need half. No, no, don't do that, Ojo. I want to sustain the same lifestyle. Man, you got bread. Don't do that, Ocho. I ain't spending it, though. I don't do that. Who sides?

Man, who side you want, man? I'm on, I'm on this, look, I just, for me, I don't know. Even like I said, whatever we agree to, if I say I'm going to give you, if I will give you 15 million and the pre-nup, take your 15 and go. Okay. If I say I'm going to give you $5, take your $5 and go. I'm going to be fair. I'm going to be fair because I think your time and having to, because I'm not,

easy person. I'll be the first minute. I'm not an easy person to live with or to be with. See, that's the problem right there. It all starts with you. It all starts with you. So you're talking about what you got your eye on, but we need to work on you. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. Let's work on you. I owe you. That's why

I got somebody to call you. I'm trying, right now, right now, right now right now this empire that I'm trying to I'm trying to assemble. Okay. So we that's what we. We. We. What? We. I'm trying to assemble with you. Well, well, you know way.

I'm trying to assemble the empire. I'm trying to build Legos. Okay. Well, we're going to do this thing together. Yeah. And that's what I told you from day one. When we sat down and had the conversation. Yes, we're going to get it done.

But I need that plus one, though. Okay. Next year, next year in the Bahamas. In 24. Yeah, yeah. You get married 24. Yeah, yeah. Her name, her name, Matilda.

So she probably going to text you tomorrow. Man, look here, man. Yeah. Hey, y'all, Ocho playing. He ain't serious. Shit. I told you now. I lied for you before I lie to you.

Don't do me like that. Man, hey, ladies and gentlemen, sometimes he'll say he'll lie for me. He wouldn't lie to me, but sometimes he'd just be lied. He's a Chad Ocho, Seiko Johnson. I'm Ock Shatter-Sharp. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Nightcap with Ocho. We'll see you tomorrow after the doubleheader. Good night, ladies and gentlemen.

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