The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Nick Saban retiring, Pete Carroll's firing, Stephen A. vs Whitlock

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Nick Saban retiring as the head football coach at the University of Alabama, Pete Carroll getting fired by the Seattle Seahawks, the war of words between Stephen A. Smith and Jason Whitlock, Aaron Rodgers' latest comments on the Pat McAfee show, and much, much more. 00:00 - Introduction04:00 - Nick Saban retires27:00 - Pete Carroll fired38:00 - Mike Vrabel fired as Tennessee Titans head coach01:00:00 - Pressure on Dak Prescott and Dallas Cowboys01:07:00 - Stephen A Smith vs. Jason Whitlock01:25:00 - Aaron Rodgers off Pat McAfee Show01:32:00 - Erik Spolestra gets mega contract from Miami Heat01:45:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a very, very special episode of Nightcap. I know you wouldn't expect us on on a Wednesday, but we had too much going on in the NFL and around college football in order to know for Ocho and I not to get on tonight. So here we are. Thank you for joining us. I'm your favorite on Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85. Chad, route runner extraordinaire, Ocho, uh, Bengals, Ring of Famer, Cinco,

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The last two shows, you got him out. We're going to bring that back. Probably Saturday or Sunday. We're going to pin his cigars back to make sure you showing him some love and support like you've done me from the very beginning. Ocho, let's start with the big news, the barn shell, that happened today. Alabama's coach, the great Nick Saban, who I believe is the greatest college football coach in college football champion in history,

six national championships, nine SEC. championship in 17 seasons a 206 and 29 record. Let me repeat that again, ladies and gentlemen. In 17 seasons, this man lost 29 games. Since Nick Saban arrived at Alabama, the enrollment has increased. It went from 25,000 to 40,000. That's a 60% jump compared to the 10% national average. This is what Coach Prime said.

Wow. College football just lost the goat to retirement. Wow. I knew it would happen one day, but not this soon. This game has changed so much that it chased to go to wait. College football, let's hold up our mirrors and say honestly what you see. I like it. What you like it?

I mean, he spoke nothing but truth. I think he spoke nothing but truth. Nick Saban is probably, you know what, I'm not going to do that. Nick Saban is the greatest collegiate football coach of all time. His record, his resume, it speaks for itself. The players in which he's been able to coach. throughout the years it's unbelievable unbelievable everybody 40 not to cut you off oh cho 44 first round picks in his tenure 29 losses believable that's unheard of I

think we would never see anything like this probably ever again especially with one of the reasons I'm going to bring up in a minute on why I think he probably did retire I think with the NIL deals how it's made it very difficult for organizations for schools compete because now it becomes a money game it becomes a booster game it becomes I'm going to the highest bidder you know and it's become a difficult a difficult time especially for recruiting and I think Nick Saban really doesn't want anything to do with that there was there at one point everybody wanted to go to Alabama everybody wanted to go to the best school because they were the school to be at now it's a money game and it's a different ball game I think Nick Sabin doesn't

really want to play okay I'm going to pay you I'm going to pay you I'm going to pay you I'm going to pay you just to get you. You want to actually want to come there to play football based on what Alabama stands on and what they stand for. And that's just not the case anymore. It's not, Ocho. It used to be a situation. Let me go. I want to go to the coach that's going to get me best prepared. Now I'm going to go to the program that's probably me to most money. We saw that with Jordan Addison and Pitt. He wins the bulletin the Coff Award for Pitt. gets more money he has off the USC. And I think what we started to see,

Ocho, is that I got to fall in out with the coach. I'm not getting the targets that I think I should get. I don't have what I need. Okay, let me get into this portal. Okay, what y'all got? Y'all saw me over here. I had 15 hundred yards. I had 13 hundred yards.

I had 1,200 yards over here. That's worth what? A million, $2 million? You heard Matt Ruh, would be head coach of Nebraska say, a good, a good, great starting quarterback in college is going to cost you $1 to $2 million. Can you imagine? Just, just for me, just think real quick for me.

Imagine you back in your day. That's Savannah State. Man, we had a little bit more bad. Forget it being an HBCU and forget it not having the money. Just think about you being able to get $1.2 million to play back then with your. skill set. Man, me. Just imagine.

And look here. I tell you what, well, my brother would have beat me to the punch, but I'd have been, I'd have had a lot, a lot nicer things before I got them. And then I tell you what, we'd have definitely been,

we'd have been like the Jeff's, and we'd have moved on up a lot sooner. Granted, would have retired a lot sooner than what she was able to retire. Oh, absolutely, Ocho. I mean, but that's, that's where it is. And if you look at it,

we saw Coach Kay, we saw Roy Williams. We've seen some of, the other coaches get out of it because that's what it's turning into. A lot of these guys jumping to the portal, I can offer you this. We saw Alabama says, hey, we need our NIL program. We need to get that up there. We need 10, 15, 20, 30 million dollars in there.

Because we want to go get some of the best players. And that's what teams are doing. Because at least in college, Ocho, those guys got tape on them already against college guys. We already know what they are in the classroom as opposed to getting a guy from high school who we think we would be good, but we don't know what he's going to be like what if you get into the college environment and get on campus and things of that nature.

So, yeah, it's becoming, and I think that had more to do with it. Right. I think I'm going to need you real quick because you know a little better than me. I don't know much about NIL and how it works as far as the processing goes. Excuse my lack of knowledge on the way it works,

but is the money coming from the boosters that are part of the schools? Yeah, but it said image and light. Okay. What image? What image they do you use it? You see somebody on the Gatorade thing? What you see?

What do you see above? Okay. Okay. That's the high behind, Ocho. But see, you know as before, you got the little briefcase and ain't nobody know about it. Now you know about it, and they said we're using your image and your likeness. Right.

Okay. I see what you're going. I mean, when you think about the institution like Alabama, I mean, the booster should be, in bulk and plentiful. So it really shouldn't be a problem as far as a recruiting. Excuse me. As far as the recruiting process is concerned with attracting, you know, suitors.

I'm not sure why Nick would probably run away from that. When you start comparing them jokes to that Texas oil money, that Texas, that Texas, that Texas A&M. Right. You see they just gave Jimbo Fisher, gave $84 million to get up out of town. Right. Get up out of town. I mean, don't coach. For somebody to give you $84 million not to coach?

Right. Yeah, that's tough. So now, hold on, that's $84 million for him. What about his staff? You got to pay them. And you got to bring a staff in. And you got to pay them. So you're looking at $100 million, $150 million, maybe even $200 million

between the two staffs. And the blink, and they ain't even think about it. Ain't even bad or not. So they got bred. That's crazy. You got bread. Man, you let Sarkeesian win a championship in Texas and see what? Man, they build a statue for that man.

They hungry for one. because they hadn't won one since Vince Young. Right. You know, they were close in the college football playoff. I think in 2008, 2008, 2009. 2009, when Cole McCoy lost to Alabama, they lost to Alabama, they got close again. Right. Man, they won it so bad, and it seemed like the further, the, since it's been so long,

what would they do like Michigan? You got to go back in the last one. They tied in 97. Right. Before that, you got to go back to 40. and his greatest coach Schimbeckler was, he never won a national title.

Title, yeah. Do you think this hurts the kids? I mean, the point of, I'm thinking, the point of going to college, obviously, this is my stepping stool, this is my stepping stone. This is the pinnacle, the one step before I get to my childhood dream.

If you get the money too early, do you think that hurts them as far as the hunger and the drive and the want to and putting in the necessary, work to get to the next level if you're already spoiled getting the cash while you're still in college? Well, you remember, I'm a firm believer. Yes, sir.

Money doesn't change you. It makes you more of what you already are. So if you're driven, I mean, look at it, look at how Peyton Manning grew up. His daddy was the second pick in the draft. He had it. Right, right. You think that changed him? He drove him.

He rode harder. Eli was the same way. So all money does is exacerbate whatever bad habits, you have if you have an eating issue now you're going to become probably obese right because you have the money if you're if you were you know alcoholic now you're going to become flu-blown because you have money you have resources to do what you couldn't do because when you were limited for me like I said I had a brother my brother was in the league for two years why I was at Savannah State right man I wanted to get there and see here's the thing Ocho once you there's nothing like like they say drug is I've heard a lot of people that tried heroin for the very first time. They say what they do is called tracing the dragon. We want that high we felt for the very first time. Right, right.

When my brother gave me $1,000 for, you know, two touchdowns and 100 yards, I wanted that again. Yeah. And so now I got to go out and try to get two touchdowns, 200 yards and four touchdowns. Right. And so now I'm thinking to myself, I want that for me. I go to his house and he got a three car garage. He got an upstairs, and it got a central heating and cooling.

It got indoor plumbing. He got a pool in the backyard. Yeah, Ocho, he got- What you said? You said he got indoor plumbing? Man, I want that. He got a pool in the backyard. He got a car in every carport.

Right. Man, I need that, Ocho. Right, right, right. I appreciate you, bro. Oh, don't think. Now, I'm ungrateful, but I can be grateful and still desire to have more and have it on my own. Sometimes people mistake, say, oh, you ungrateful.

No, I'm very grateful. I'm very appreciative. But I need this feeling on my own. Yeah. I mean, but see, you're different. You build different. You cut from a different claw. A lot of people, a lot of players, when you think about it, when you're at the college level,

if you get that kind of money, if you get that kind of money, are you still going to have that same fire up under you? Are you still going to have that same drive, the one to be the best, and reach the next level. If you've already got the cushion that you would get once you made it to the NFL. Listen, I'm all for the players to get NIL money. Obviously because there should be no reason why they should be going hungry. There should be no reason why they should not have money to feed themselves,

to clothes themselves, to be able to have transportation to and from school, just stuff like that. There's been way too many stories where kids having to be paid under the table for them to not to be able to get what they deserve. And I just, I just, I just feel just slightly, slightly it might take away from the fire and the drive. And would it takes to want to reach the next level because you get such a huge cushion while you're still in college. Yeah. I just think the thing is, Ocho, you are what you are with or without money.

Right. If you get a good heart and you're broke, when you have, when you get money, you'll become very magnanimous. You'll become a benefactor. That's, that's what you are. Right. You're miserly and you don't got money. When you get money, you're going to be miserly still because that's who you are. At the end of the day, we are what we repeatedly do.

So money doesn't change you. It makes you more of what you already are. I've had a good heart. I've been a good person when I didn't have a dime. My thing was, oh, Joe, I would go make $30 a week and I'd give my grandmother $10. It wasn't much, but it was something. It could help with something, Granny. Yeah.

That's how I thought. Now when I got money, I gave more, even though she didn't want it. Or my sister or my brother. That's my responsibility now, my kids. And so what I do, what am I tell my kid? Look, I got no problem. Show me. Show me.

Just show me that you desire to have and I'll help you achieve it. Now, you know, this Sharp family, Kiyari, Kayla, Kaylee, this sharp family and me, I see we got room for one lazy mopo. I'm here. I'm here, Ocho. I'm the only lazy mofo here, and I ain't lazy. So I'm not going to let you drag your feet on me. My girlfriend's saying, you're not going to sit around and drag your feet on me.

Right, right, right. You got to do something. You got to do something. Right. Hey. So that's the way I look at it, Ocho. Yeah, it is. But look at all the money these colleges.

How much you think these colleges got for the college football playoffs? And guess what the players got? a t-shirt that said college football playoff 24. Ah, ha. Yeah. Excuse me. Maybe a what, what did you get in that? Like, they ain't got no more, uh, uh, our, I,

things or what, uh, you got, you get, you get, gift bad. You get, yeah, yeah. Bad damn that gift back. I'll tell you what, you want to put some money in my gift back. Yeah. Put 10 bans in my gift bag. Yeah.

And listen, when I saw the numbers, when I saw the numbers on what the colleges bring in every year, especially doing football season, and none of it went to the players. Listen, I was at the forefront. I was at the forefront of, wanting players to have the NIL deals. I love it. I love the idea of just the con,

just to me, just the con of it, and even seeing players that are already in the NFL and get their big deals. They would get their big deals and they'd be content. They'd be settled.

They're really not the same player anymore. So I'm just thinking to myself, but damn, what would happen? I think the con, as far as the NIL deal is concerned, is players being content, okay, I got a nice little cushion. I'm going to just tail off a little bit.

and just do the bare minimum, instead of still one that, still having that same hunger and drive and determination, the thing about, listen, this ain't enough to get mom out of the situation she's in. This ain't enough to carry me, you know, the rest of my life. I mean, you know what I'm trying to say.

Yeah, of course. I think the thing, Ocho, for me, I remember when, like I said, I first got to the NFL, I made $63,000 in my first year. I made 73, my second year. I went to the Pro Bowl, making $220, my third year.

I was the first team all pro. made 325 the next year. First team all pro led all the tight ends in every statistical category, yards, catches, touchdown. First team all pro, my brother and I went to the Pro Bowl, made 325. Got a contract. I said, man, I think I was making,

think they made me like the third or the fourth highest. I said, I ain't satisfied. I said, I want to be the number one. I'm going to be the highest paid tight end. Yeah. That's what, that's what dry. I said, I want to be the highest paid tight end. I, hey, I ain't worried about what they got.

I think Keith Jackson. I mean, there are a couple of guys that made more money. I said, okay, I'm going to be the highest paid. I'm going to be the highest paid. I said, that's what I got. So now my thought process, my thought process, Ocho, I'm going to say, I want the national media in Denver to say Shannon Sharps's underpaid. That's what I want him to say.

That's what I'm going to go get it. You're going to say that man, he's the fourth highest paid in, and he underpaid. Right. Come back to one time. But they was like, when I read it, I've never, ever. got a contract extension one time, one time, going into my, it was 93. But it was like, like, maybe like a month before the season was over.

I just needed somebody, but, Ocho, like, you'd be joking like child support. Yeah, man, baby mama, they're like, whew, them lawyer fees were going up and that 325 was going to cut it. So I went ahead. I was a bad deal because I could have just, I could have just waited out. I hate, y'all should have came to me before the season. But they didn't know, they thought that was an anomaly. thought that was an outlier that I went to the Pro Bowl my third year.

So now Coach Reeves is gone. We got Wade Phillips in. So they didn't think I was going to be what I became in 93. But you know, hey, the child support payments, man, $3.25,000, you know, get $300,000. And you got three kids, bro. Hey, mm-mm, mm-mm. I say, go and give me that money. So I get that heat up off me.

Yeah. Okay. I see what I see. Yeah, I got three kids. I got a house. I got to send money for my grandmother, my sister, my mom. Yeah, I had to get that. I had to get that. I said, but that's okay.

That's a whole other ball game now, too. That's a whole other story, boy. Yeah. A lot of, a lot of fella, a lot of fellas going through that too. Yeah. A lot of fellas going through that. And I don't mean to change the topic this fast. Boy, you know how many of in today's game right now?

Yeah. It hit me. Boy, how did you do this? How were you able to juggle and maneuver in this way? Because I know you got so-and-so and you were able to do it. I ain't never seen no, you even had no problem like that. man, what did you do? But I'm trying to, boy, you need,

well, you better go make homes great, boy. Yeah. You better, they will make your life for living in hell while you trying to play ball. Go make that shit right. Oh. Go make that shit right. Yeah.

Hey, let me tell you how I did it. You ain't got to be with them, but you got to make that shit right. Oh, Joe. Let me tell you how your boy did it. They had your boy eating ketchup with a knit needle. You had to saco. Yeah, I sacrificed a lot of shit.

I'm eating, I'm eating egg whites. I'm eating tuna. I can. You're serious? I'm going to say, you damn right. I got to pay child support. I got three kids.

And I got a house that I spent 200,000 more than what my agent told me I should. Right, right, right. But that's okay, but that's okay. I got a $600,000 house. I got a bed, one TV and a couch. That's all I got.

You good. And I know a lot of people want to see me fail. Yeah, he got all them kids. Yeah, he ain't going to be. make it. I said, I'm going to show you. Yeah. I say because see, you're what you don't understand. My desire to be great is greater than your desire for me not to be. Right. Right. So that's how I look at it. And it was no thing. I said, I remember every time I tell my grandma,

I said, Granny, you know, hey, your baby messed up again. She said, hey, take care of them kids. Yeah. Take care of them kids. Take care of them. That's all she said. Now, I knew she was upset because she didn't raise me like that. Right. That's on me. I eat that. But hey, I got to get it, don't you? So you know what?

I'm going to deny myself. I'm going to eat egg whites. I'm going to eat oatmeal. Ain't no nice. Ain't no chicken. I didn't even eat chicken. I mean tuna out of the can. I'm going to Sam's Club.

And I'm buying three, four, six packs of tuna. Yeah. Egg whites. I'm buying egg whites. I'm talking about like 50. 50 and a big old, big old thing like this here. I said, but it's okay. Yeah.

Oatmeal. That's what I'm eating, Ocho. So I deny myself, I ain't going on no vacation. That's probably what got me out of the vacation thing, Ocho. Right, right, right, right. Because I saw that I wasn't going, and I didn't feel like I was missing something. Where I felt like if I go, this might be someone's advantage of getting ahead of me. Right.

So for me. Oh, I had to get that thing, Ocho, because all I saw, because I know I heard it, and my homeboy would call me, Buck would call me. That homeboy, man, they talk. I said, homeboy, I got this. I said, I got this. I say, Mary Porter raised. I said, she raised me for this moment.

Yes, sir. I said, do you know where I came from? I say, I'm in the catbird seat. I say, little do they know I'm in the catbird seat. Right, right. Because the first 20 years, I said, these next 20 are going to be a breeze because I wasn't supposed to be in this chair.

In the first place. No. No, so once I got up on, once I got going, oh, man, that's what I'm saying. You have to be careful or what you're motivated by because it's addictive. Just like, you know, an addict, whether it's alcohol, whether it's drugs,

whether it's gambling, whether there's women. Mine was success. Yeah. That's what my drug was success. And the more I got it, the more I craved it, the more I desired, the more I needed it. And I denied some good people in my life, but I'm not here to apologize for that.

Right. Because without that, I'm not here and they're not where they are. But Ocho, man, I'm telling you, Ocho. But see, people don't understand. See, people don't understand my mindset. And when you hear me say stuff, and they say, Shannon, why are you so like Jamers?

I say, you've got to understand James is the backup quarterback. He doesn't have that kind of cashier. Tom Brady makes that call, but see, Tom Brady would never done that. Babe Manor would have never done that. Just thinking you openly defy your coach. Just imagine. I see, all you guys that's talking, ESPN, a Fox, or one of these networks tell you not to go on air

and say something that you said, production meeting and you go on air and say it anyway, what do you think is going to happen? You already know what's going to happen. Yeah. He did that because, oh, they don't, that's why you got to let Dennis Allen go because he lost control of the locker room. Any coach that the players respect, they would have never done that to. They've lost respect for them.

See, now once that, see, I'll do it. If I don't respect your, Ocho, I do anything I want to you. Right. Yeah, I feel you. And what I like most about your story and the people that listen, chat, make sure you, you You listen to what Unk said, man, he was striving for success. But think about the sacrifice it took. All the stuff in between that didn't lead up to reaching his end goal,

he wasn't doing none of that. He wasn't doing that. And I think that's a different today. In today's world, today's society, everybody wanted a quick fix. Yeah. They want to quick. They want to find a loophole. They want to take the shortcut in thinking the shortcut is going to lead to success.

Success is a long road. Yeah. It's a long road. It takes time. It's a process to it. And in between that process in the steps in which it takes to get to that point of reaching the pinnacle of success, it takes sacrifice. You got to. Sometimes your home boys call you.

Sometimes your home girls call you. Man, sometimes you got to say no. Sometimes you got to sit there. When they get upset, they make to France. No. It makes your friends. Do you, do people realize that is less crowded on the road to success than the road to mediocrity? If you think off, the bumpiest ride on a plane is what, when you take it off?

Once you get up to that, what the policy is? He's going to get up to a comfortable cruising altitude. 32,000 feet. Above all that turbulence. Yeah. And if it's turbulence there, what they do? They go a little higher. Yeah.

You see what they? Now, when people, when they want to be average and mediocre, that's crowded. Yeah. So many people just want to be average and mediocre. It's crowded. Go be great. and ain't crowded up there. Yeah.

Because everybody wanted easy, oh, Joe. Everybody wanted success work. Only in the dictionary, the success come before work. Yeah, most definitely. And you know the funny thing? And in today's world, what people to do,

is they have skipped the work part, but they put on the clothes and drive the cars. Right. Oh, thank you till you make it. And look like you already made it. it. You know, fake it till you make it. Yeah, without putting the work in.

Man. No, I'm going to make it. Ain't no fake it. No, what you see is what you get. This is, hey, this is it. Ain't no, ain't nothing fake on me. Okay, I got some, you know, you know, I got a little fake. But hey, but hey, this is it.

This is a Georgia, this is a Georgia boy. Yeah. Through and through. I'm about it. Yeah. But that's it. That's it. Oh, Cho.

I mean, I just wish to get back on track because we were talking about the college kids and they're getting this. My bad. My bad. No, no, no, no. We're good.

This is our show. We talk about what the hell we want to talk about. This is our. We got a script, but we don't have to adhere to linear television. Okay. We got a rap. No, no.

We talk as long as we want to on a subject as long as we want to. We can go back. So that's the luxury that we have and that's why we did what we did on our way. This is our channel. This is not.

Yeah. Okay, no joke. This is our issue. So we go as long as we want to as short as we won't talk to on a given topic. Let's go back. Pete Carroll is out as head coach in Seattle. Pete Carroll, tenure, 137, 89, and 1. 10 playoff appearances in 14 seasons, a Super Bowl championship. Pete Carroll was very grateful and appreciative during his press on today. But he made it pretty clear that he tried to stay on his Seattle's head coach. He declined to get into detail as to what happened with ownership. Asked about going elsewhere. Well, we'll have to wait and see.

Today is today. moving to an advisory role has been the respectful way of moving off someone that's helped the organization. The Broncos did the same with John Elway. Ocho, this is why.

Had he run the ball with Marshawn Lynch? Man, talk to me now. We look at Pete Carroll. We look at that Legion of Boom totally different. Sherb and Earl and Bennett and Chance and Russ Beesmole. They're supposed to be a two-time champ.

Yeah, easily. They're supposed to be a two-time champ. Easily two-time champ. And let me ask you a question. To go back on what you just said about disrespecting your head coach and not having respect for him making a call as Russell Wilson

and with great understanding in the situation you're in, and the scenario in. And you know, you're on the one and you have Beast Mode who is having a good game. Right. You're on the one-yard.

line and Pete Carroll, whoever's calling the offense and plays, calls a pass play with a switch route, switch release on the goddamn goal line. Why not? Take it amongst yourself to change the play and run the ball with Marchand. Is that defiant or disrespectful to you as similar in the same case? I know it's apples and oranges and what I'm talking about. I'm just saying because that's the Super Bowl on the line. Right. And you changing that play, I will bet my bottom dollar and I bet my house that you run that dive with Marshaun Lynch. He getting that one yard to win that game. Well, I'm going to run until he does. I think the thing is, Ocho, the question is that, did Russ feel like he had the power to audible out of that play? Peyton Manning has the power. Drew Brees has the power. Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, has the power.

does Russ, did they empower him? Because I remember in a situation, we were in Kansas City, and it was like fourth and one, it was fourth and one, we were probably like the 30-yard line. Right. And I remember Mike called a time out, and Mike was going to go for it. And John said, no, Mike, don't go for it.

Let's punt the ball. Let's make them beatles. Right. Knowing Marty the way he's playing it like this, no, we're not going to give him anything cheap. Let's punt the ball. Mike sent the punt team. we won the ball game 1410.

Okay. So in a situation like that, now let's just say for that sake of argument, the game is 1413. Now instead of trying to throw the ball into the end zone, they need a field goal, they kick a field goal to beat us. Right. So in that situation for me,

I don't know why. And I understand, if I'm not mistaken, I think the Patriots brought a 53 defense in, five down three linebackers. I don't care. that's the thing that you always talk about letting somebody dictate what you're going to do.

Yeah, I hate that. I hate that. So in other words, and stuff like, we're going to throw it. They got them five, they got them bigs on the field, we're going to throw the ball.

But once you see Brandon Brown in the slot and you see him in the press, it's going to be hard as hell because he's standing right there in front of you. Yeah. He's standing right there in front of you. If he gets his hands on you, there's no way.

It's a rap. It's a rap. Because what's going to happen, you're going to force the guy to come even flatter and now you give Malcolm Butler a B-line to come get you. I'm a little surprised by this move. I don't think anybody saw this coming.

I don't think anybody saw this move coming, but it was never the same. I remember you go back and look at my podcast. I did this, I think that was a 2014. That was 2014? What year was that? 2014. Super Bowl?

Yeah, 2014. Yeah. Go back and look. I said it. I said it's never the same. say it's over. You might as well break this up right now. I say that team will never look at Pete the same. Yeah. Because it's the one time that the team is going to look at the head coach and say,

you cost us this. And let the players decide the game on the field. Yeah. And we always, we talk about this, Ocho, hey, coaches, sometimes coaches get in their own way because they want to think, I'm a genius. I'm so smart. We're going to do this, yada, yada, no, no, no, no, no. Over, no, no, no. Overthinking. Let your players decide the outcome of it. Put them in the best situation and they'll do what they need to do. Yeah. Listen, I always say, I always say the game of football, you don't have to complicate it. It's X and O's, and I compare it to chess sometimes. I compare it to the game of chess. Your pieces against my pieces. I'm going to put my pieces in the best position to win.

Even if your pieces are a little better, more skillful, I'm going to scheme it to where my pieces have an advantage. And I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to checkmate you each and every time all the way down the field. I think the checkmate put a 2014 Seattle Seahawks on the goal line. Right. Don't complicate it. Even if they have a 53 defense in there, give the ball to Marshawn Lynch. Yes. Man oh, man, I guarantee you they have two soup bowl rings right now.

Ocho, but if you remember right before the half, what did they do? They threw the ball. They had no timeouts and they got a touchdown. You're feeling good about yourself, Ocho. You know what I'm going to say? You start to feel good. Like, I got away with what? I get me another one.

Hey, get out your own way. Yeah. Get out your own way. But Pete Carroll is out. It's going to be interesting to the direction that they go in. Go in. Jody Allen. I think that's the name is Jody.

Jody Allen. She's the sister of Paul Allen, Microsoft guy. He passed away, left everything to her. And she's like, you know, I want to move in a different. direction. But this team was supposed to have two championships.

This team would have been thought of a lot different had they had multiple championships. The great, a lot of teams have won one in a row. If you want to be special and be remembered, you got to repeat. And it's hard. Very hard. I mean, you go back to Packers in the 60s. The Steelers did it back to back. I think what, 74, 75, or 76, 77?

No, 70, 75, 76, 74, 75, and then they did again in 78, 79, if I'm not mistaken. There's a six-year period, but they won four titles, 78, 79, and I think 74, 75. I mean, I've just, I've just fitballing that, but Ash said I was correct. But it's hard, Ocho, you go to the 49ers in the 80s, the Cowboys in the 90s, we did it in the 90s. You got the Patriots did it, you know, they won back-to-back. Yeah. It's hard because what happens, Ocho? You good.

Your free agents, everybody come right them. Yeah. I mean, if you got to go, you got chicken that late golden eggs, guess what? I'm coming to rob. I'm coming to stealing. Yeah. Yeah. Guys want bigger payday.

I tell guys, if you win a Super Bowl, hey, man, look here, go get that payday. You can't eat the rings now. I mean, they're nice to have. They're nice to look at it. Right. Look at that night. But I like to pull up my, hey, I have my sister. Pull up my break.

Let me see that. That looked nice. Yeah. That's what makes it so much difficult. You think about the Rams winning a Super Bowl or, let me think, Patriots win in Super Bowl. The pieces, the pieces always change. The pieces of the puzzle always change.

So I think that's what makes it so much more difficult to repeat because you want to keep your team together. The more players you can keep as far as that have won the Super Bowl would experience, veteran experience, bringing some new people through the draft, it's so goddamn hard because once you win, shoot, man. I'm trying to get paid, man. But you know what the biggest thing?

Coacho, this is what I've learned. And I've been on two teams that won championships. I won 97, 98, skip 99, won 2,000 with the Ravens. The thing that you have to be careful of when the Super Bowl, everybody starts to believe they're the reason why. Oh. Everybody starts to want more credit than they deserve. See, the grounds crew says,

you know what, you won because of the way we cut the grass. The people in the cafeteria said you won because the way we prepared the food. And the people that vacuumed and did the floors and did the laundry, it was because of us. And the videographer said it was because the way we cut the tape. And so everybody starts to think. You didn't think like that before we won. Right. But now that we won now.

See, for me, I was always, look, I understood John TD. It was a pie. Let's just say the team was a pie. TD and John was going to get the biggest slice. Even if it wasn't up a crumb, that's something. That was more than we were going to get had we not won. See, people don't look at it like that, Ocho. See, I look at it like this.

What was we going to get had we not won? Was I going to get these opportunities? No. Because everybody likes a champion. Everybody likes a winner. So now I'm getting something that had we not won, I wouldn't have got. Right. People always complain about, well, I ain't get this.

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Mike Brable. Mike Brable was let go to Tennessee Titans. Hey, that was crazy. That was crazy. And I didn't expect that one. That was another one I'd expect. Pete, I'd expect it all. Obviously, the Seahawks went nine and eight that they could have been better. They were doing well in the beginning of the season and then in as well as they

thought it should have, obviously, so they felt they need to go in a different direction. Right. Like Rable, Will Levis, first year as a starter or starting. I mean, you would think you would give them a little bit more time, you know, to sink in jail with Will, but they decide they're going in a different direction too. Yeah, Ocho. Man, look here, man. Ocho, that's why it's so hard. When you got in the league, Ocho,

basically they would, I remember Carson didn't start. Think about it. Imagine the number one overall draft pick not starting. Carson did not start. John Kittner did. John, John Kittner, yeah. Oh, John.

That's unheard of. Yeah. To think a kid drafted in the first round that high is not going to start. Whoa, first pick, man. Thank you. So what is that? So now,

Ocho, I got a three-you and wind. I got to make a decision because now I got to pay a guy $200 million, a quarter of a billion. Now, probably in another two years, the going rate for a quarterback is going to be 300 mil. Well, you got to be that boy

to get 300 million now. Look here. Daniel Jones got $160, and he ain't that nothing. The timing. The timing was perfect. Yeah. You see what happens, oh, Joe? And they had nowhere else to go.

Yeah, you're right. I see where you're going. Now, we got free agency because, okay, this is the tradeoff. Right. The NFL says, you know what, man, we got Sam Bradford to make it. Sam Bradford is the highest played quarterback of the league. He didn't throw NFL football yet. So they went back, put the rookies on a scale.

Right. But the tradeoff was okay. team you can't do anything for the first three years. Then after that, boom. Yeah. Now, if you're good, if you're good, if you're that boy, if you are a franchise changing quarterback, are you going there doing shit like C.J. Stroud?

Man, shit. CJ might be the one to get that $300 million. There it is. CJ might be the one to get that $300 million. Because he, you know, he's coming up, what, 2027 or 26? Oh, 4, 5, so you're going to get 24, 25, 25. So coming into 27, break bread. Man, 300 plus.

I see they strive. I say it here first, man. Let me get 2%. How let you boy? 23, 24, one year, 4, 5, 2 years, 5, 6. So, yeah, hey, after that third year, Ocho, they're going to have to see it. Yeah.

You're going to have to see it. At the end of 26, 27. So the thing is, Ocho, you spend. up the process in which I have to evaluate it. Right. And because of free agency, you can't just see, you can't just because before, oh, just think about it.

Just to think about the Steelers, how are you going to keep, if there's free agency, how do you keep Joe Green, defensive player of the year, Mel Blunt, defensive player at a year, Jack Lambert, defensive player at a year, how you keep on him? And you got Jack Hamm, and you got Donny Shell, and you got

Franco, Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swan, Mike Webster, John Starworth. How you keep all them, Ocho? Boy, they had a score. You can. The only reason you can, there's no free agency. So you got 10 Hall of Famers that basically play their entire career.

Now, Mike Webster did end up going to Kansas City. He was in Kansas City my rookie year. Jack does all get out. I mean, he was, whoo. I remember, like, because it's funny, Ocho, you know, I got into the league, and I'm seeing all these guys that, I mean, Mike Webster, Joe Ferguson, that used to hand the ball off to OJ. I'm like, I'm talking about day in the 70th

and heritage of the 90s, oh, Joe. And I'm looking at them. Yeah. I see Jerry Wrights. I see Joe Montana. I'm like, man, that's cool. That's how I was when I first made it, too. That's how I was.

That was a great feeling. That was a funny feeling, man. Seeing the people you watch growing up as a kid, and all of a sudden, you write down the field with them. And remember, the books did the same thing. Bruce Arias. Oh, that advisory thing? Send him upstairs.

Yes. Go ahead, Ocho. That's all I was saying. How they send Bruce upstairs? Are they doing Pete Carroll the same way? Where is Bruce Ariens, is he still with the bucks upstairs in their advisory role? Yes. Okay, yeah, he hasn't been visible at all.

No, no. Ocho, what do you think? What's the most attractive coaching gig? Is it the Seahawks, the Falcons, the Falcons, the Chargers, the commanders, Raiders, Titans, Patriots, or Panthers. That's easy. That's easy for me. Chat, I know you're going to agree with me.

If you know the game of football, I think when you look at it with the teams you name, the teams have pieces. The Falcons have pieces, you know, Pits, Bejohn Robinson, Dr. Jesse Bates, Drake London. You look at the Raiders, they have nice pieces, Devante Adams. Yeah, Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs.

They got Crosby on the defensive side. You look at the Titans. D.Hop wasn't on the one year, right? He's on one year. Okay. Derek is probably going to be gone. He's going to leave. So that's really not favorable or someone.

You look at the Patriots. I mean, what you're working with? Talk to me. No. Okay, exactly. Panthers, you have Bryce Young. You have a lot of work you need to do. You got a lot of work you need to do.

Offensive line. You need some receivers. You need a little bit everything. Commanders, ugh. I mean, listen, unbelievable wide receiver trio, Curtis Samuel, Terry McLaren, Jehan, Dodson, that's great. What are you going to do with your quarterback situation? Oh, they're going to go into a quarterback.

They're taking the quarterback at the first. They take it a quarterback with that. I think they're the third of the fourth pick. They take it a quarterback. Ain't going to be no quarterback at the third pick. Oh, you know what? Marvin Harrison Jr. going second, so you probably are right. They probably get Drake May.

They probably get Drake May unless somebody overleaps or overlaps him. So the best team that has the most pieces to work with where it's like, I'm not calling the Warriors, I'm not calling him the Warriors. But when Steve Kerr took over from Mark Jackson with the 7th,

with the Warriors back in the day, because he had so much talent around him. The goddamn Charter's got so much talent offensively, so much talent defensively. I don't know who is going to come in the Coast of Charter's defensively, but you got to be looking, you got to be looking at your chops.

You've got to be looking your chops what you got to work with over with the charges. Man, they just got to be able to keep Mike Williams healthy for whatever reason, big, strong, physical can high point of football. He's nice. He can't stay healthy, old Joe.

Nice. He nice. Keenan was having a great season. I think he ended up getting Nick to miss a couple of games at the end of the season. You got Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert's going to have to find a way to win these close games.

I'm tired of all this talent. I mean, yeah, he's super immensely talented. Talented and the attributes that you can see, big time arm, change arm. change arm angles. Roll outside of the pocket. You can throw from different arm angle. You can throw, yeah, left or right.

But, okay, I need to see what's in here. I need to get, hey, when the rubber needs to meet the road, I need you to make it happen for me, bro. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Right. So I think they're going to probably, they need a bigger back.

I mean, I like, you know, like Austin Echler. He's more of a, he's more of a utility back. Right, right, right, right. Like Darren Sproes a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. but I agree with you. But like I said, if I'm Justin Fields, I say, bro, Atlanta, come get your boy.

Atlanta? Atlanta, come get Justin Fields. Yeah, that'd be nice. On that track. On that track. The fans in Chicago were chatting Fields, feels, feels, feels, feels. Yeah, they chanted that at this year, but they was also chanting what you heard what they were saying,

the year before last. And the year before that, so they got, I mean, the Chicago fans, I know, get cold up there and so maybe it's some pros of your mind. But we know what you were saying before, too. Right. So you, you think, you think it's, it's time for Fields to move on? And probably, you think the best destination

for him would be Atlanta, would be Atlanta. Mike Vick 2.0. He's from the area. Oh, I ain't know that? Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I mean, they just, they got Desmond Ritter. They just draft the Desmond Ritter. Desmer Ritter ain't nothing. He turned the ball over entirely too much. entirely too much, Ocho.

Damn. But he's not even in year three yet, though, huh? Yeah, Ocho, but you, you giving it up on him already? But Justin Fields? Okay, I see where you're going with it. Yeah, man, please. I see what you're going with it.

Okay. Yeah, but I mean, that's a no-brainer as far as which is the most attractive team for coaches. I mean, hell, Bill Belich, I think, I'm thinking about Bill Belich. You should go to Alabama. Nah. I think his philosophy and way of coaching won't resonate with these young kids in this era.

Hell, it don't seem like it's a way of coaching to resonate with this NFL team since Tom Brady left, huh? Because you heard what Amandola said. Amandola said, we work for Belichick, we played for Tommy. Ooh, shit. I ain't hear that quote. Julian Ellerman said, we work for Coach Belichick. We played for Brady. That was nice.

That's a good one. I like that. It's a good one. Hey, can I smoke while I'm on the show? Yeah, that's your house. Okay. I'm just asking. I don't even trying to.

No. Raiders, the Patriots. I mean, the Patriots don't have enough offensive pieces for me. The defense, but here's the thing. Defense is great. Defense is great. But how far are you going to get? Judon got hurt.

The defense and not having no offense. Judon got hurt. So he'll come, Judon got hurt, he'll be back. Gonzales, that, that DB, that they took him the first ride, he looked good. Hey, that's the one from UW, right? He from UW University of Washington or I got the wrong story. Oregon, whether he was from Washington or Oregon, Gonzalez.

It's one of them, it's packed 12. Yeah, he was nice. Boy, he's a real deal. He's nice. He, he, yeah, shoulder injury. Yeah. Showed injury. I was watching him.

I was watching him. He's from the Doug. It is Oregon. Okay, okay, okay, yeah. He's nice. Yeah. Amandola said, Amundola. Did I say I thought I said, Edelman? I said it. Edelman. Amindola said it. Excuse me. I apologize. Okay. Okay. Amandola said it. Oh, man. That's crazy.

I don't know if, I don't know if what you're called. Now, look, they got some defensive pieces. I like Hal Landry. I like Jeffrey Simons. They got some nice pieces defensively. Jeffrey Simmons is still there, right? Yeah. He's still there. Yeah. He's still there. Yeah. Al Landry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think Landry got hurt. Did Landry get hurt? But Simmons, Jeffrey Simmons. He's nice.

He's a Simmons. He's a Simmons. Simmons? Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah. He nice. He nice. I like him a lot.

Titans, do you believe in Will Levis? Yeah, I like him. Now, that's the mother. That joke there? Well, he got a arm. But here's the thing. He got a arm. He just, he got a arm.

He spelled his name. He spelled his name like Levi. Will Levis. Yeah. Yeah, Will Levis. He got an arm. I mean, he can make all the throws. When I think about, I think of a more mobile been Rafflesberger. Does that make sense? Yeah. More mobile. He can make all the throws. Left has, right has. He can do all that. Now, all you got to do is get him, get him something to throw to. You had D.Hop. D.Hop had a decent season. You got to get him some animals over there. You got to get him some animals or some dogs and he's going to be all right. Yeah. So, we'll see.

see what happens. The NFLPA releases their second player all-pro team. Kelsey was a tight end. I disagree with this. I think everybody knows what I think I'm a nephew. But Kilda had a better year. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Kittle was the only one that had a thousand yards this year at the tight end

position. I mean, honestly, Kittle or Leporta. A tight end from the line. He got hurt too, though, right? Yes. Yeah, he got hurt. He got hurt. Yeah. And then you had, for the defensive side, George Kettle has 65 receptions,

1,020, average 15.7, and six touchdowns. Oh, 90 targets. Travis Kelsey had 121 targets, 93 receptions, 984 yards. Kudos to Kelsey because he broke a streak. I think he had like eight consecutive thousand-yard seasons. He only needed 16 yards.

They ain't even playing. They ain't even playing. But Sam Leporteur had 86 catches, 889 yards, and 10 touchdowns. So for me, Evan Ingram had 114 catches, 963. But for me, George Kittle should have been for the players. But let me know what you think about this. And for the outside, for the edge rushers, Miles Garrett and Macy and Crosby, Max Crosby, double X, Max.

Yeah. Was the, were the edge rushers over Micah and T.J. And T.J. what? What do you think the Mexicans were in the Mexicans were in the, deciding and who to pick because obviously it wasn't stat-based. Yeah. Obviously, it wasn't stat-based. So exactly what metric system did they use to pick those two over T.J. Watt,

who led the league in Sacks, I'm sure there had to be something else that they use to decide on who to pick. And that's nothing against Miles Garrett, real deal. Nothing against Max Crobby, Max Crosby, excuse me, young, young bull got a motor. Yeah, man. Young bull got a motor and never stop. Yeah, man. This can't be statistically based on how they chose. who to pick.

So I'm just sure what metrics they use to pick those too. It was kind of like the Pro Bowl. You can't vote for yourself. You can't vote

for your own team. But sinners can vote for centers and who you played against. So if I'm a center, I can vote for, if I'm Creed Humphrey, I can vote for a Linderbaum

at Baltimore. And for the DTs or the nose tackle say I got Simmons or I'm voting for Aaron Donald or whomever. You know what I'm saying? So that's how it went.

So it seems to me. Tide ends said that Crosby and Garrett and guys that play the edge said, we think those guys are better. Now, I'm looking at T.J. Watt had 19 sacks, 19 tackles for losses, eight pass defense, one interceptions, four sports fumbles, three bumble recovery,

and a defensive touchdown. He's the only guy that made the list of Josh Allen. I think he's at Jacksonville, Allen, Hendrickson, Cahill, Mac, Danelle Hunter, Max Crosby, Michael Parsons, Miles Garrett. He's the only guy of that group that recorded a defensive touchdown.

He had the most fumble recoveries. He was one forced fumble behind Khalil Mack. But it just looked, and I don't think Michael made it last year. I don't think, and he's probably scratching his ear. Like, well, hold on. Wait a minute, Bella. What's really going on? Yeah. Ain't, ain't no telling.

What you think, what you think had going on? You know, I have no idea. I'm not sure. That's why I said, what metrics do they use to decide on who to put there first, as opposed to, you know, you always told me, numbers matter. Numbers matter. So if numbers matter and stats matter, then T.J. Watt would definitely be first. Yeah.

And then after that, hell, Trey Henderson was right behind him when it comes to Sacks. So why wasn't he mentioned? Right. You don't know what I'm saying? So I'm just curious. I don't want to say it's a it's a it's a it's a a favoriteism contest. I don't want to say it's a popularity contest. If you're going to do it, you have to have some consistency with it.

Right. On why you pick these players. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I agree. But I'm sure it means a little more to you because these are players that you play against. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, the Pro Bowl is players, it's coaches, and it's the fans.

Right, right. And so anytime your peers, those are the guys that. that you fight against. And so you think I'm a hellraiser. I like that. I like that. Right. But, I mean, the list up here, like I said, I only got a problem.

I think George Kittle deserved to be the tight end. Right. And, but here's the thing, Ocho. When you put somebody on, you have to take somebody off. Oh. So if you put Michael on, you're taking Miles Garrett off or you taking Max Crosby off. And that's the problem. them when they've all played well.

Yes. So then you just put the person who is really at the top statistically. So there's no problems. You can't argue it. Then T.J. Watts should be the guy. Right. And I think T.J. Watt missed a couple of games too, didn't he? I know he got injured the last game.

But like I said, my only, my biggest, my biggest gripe is with the tight end. And that's not a knock on Kelsey because I think he's phenomenal. Yeah. Phenom. But this year, Kittle should have been the all pro. because he catched the ball. He's tremendous run out the catch, and he amassed in the run game.

He's a second offensive. He's a second offensive lineman. Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean, he's pancake. He's pancake and folk. Oh, yeah. He handled his own D-Ns, livebackers, save these corners.

Oh, he's an animal. He's an animal in the run game. Yeah. Jerry Gough's said, Chip will never leave me from the Rams trade. Kelly Stafford responds to the Lions fan page, Stafford jersey band on IG. Well, this is Sam, hold on.

Ban a jersey for what? For what? Kelly said, I met her, what did I go? I think I went to the NFC championship game. And I was up there and I got an opportunity to meet her. So she's lovely, great. She does watch nightcap sometimes.

I know she does. Well, this is sad because it's the completely opposite of how I feel about this city. But Matthew has always been bigger person and will continue to be that, praying for an incredible game with zero injuries. So, oh, man. So they posted, Ocho, I don't know if you could. Yeah, I saw it. How about Ocho, really?

Yeah. Man, listen, it's fans. There ain't no fan. Fans. Who did that? And then probably even no real fans probably. Okay, yes, the fan club, the biggest Lions fan club. Well, you know how they feel.

Yeah. You know how they feel. And that's fine. That's fine. That's okay. That's great. That's how you feel about me. It don't matter.

Right. Long as you go out there and handle your business. Because then you can't do nothing about that. And, you know, they only love you when you're part of them. When you're going about your business, it's a different ballgame. That's just the nature of the business. That's true, oh, Joe. For me, I mean, I got money.

But, you know, you know, I. I mean, that's not true because every fan-based love. I mean, some it is. Some it is. I mean, because when I came back to Denver, they gave me love. When I went back to Baltimore, they gave me love. Now, I'm not a quarterback, and maybe it's a quarterback, maybe it's different. But they always gave, they show me love.

Baltimore and Bronco country gave me love. So I ain't got nothing but respect for the fans in both of those cities. But this is petty. This petty is hell here. Very petty. Very petty. When I think about it, listen, Steelers, Browns, Ravens. When it comes to the fans, there was a true hatred and disdain for each other.

But for some reason, for some reason, regards to where I was, especially when you played away, there was always love. Because I had my fun. I did my entertaining stuff. I talked my trash to entertain the fans to get them believable and material and get them something to look forward to before the game. There was always love and there was nothing but respect. Of course, you have your few that want to, you know, talk trashed, you know, from the stands and I entertain it and engaged, engage back with it. But after that, there was nothing, nothing but respect. Now, quarterbacks is a different ball game. Well, they booed, I mean, I think they booed Tom a little bit when he went back to New England

from Tampa. I love it. You know, it's always, it's always, it's always. You are the enemy, though. I mean, I know you, we love you, but you are the human enemy. You're the enemy for three hours. Yes. You're the enemy for three hours. You know, your resume, what you've done for us, It would never be forgotten, but once you're gone, you're the enemy in between them lines. But you know what, Ocho, look, if you want to applaud the guy, when he come out and introduce him, you applaud, yay. Hey, when that Joe will try to catch a pass, I'm a boo to boot a brakes off you.

You drop one, I'm a yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Right. A quarterback, knock him out, get him out. Oh, hey, that's just, I'm a fan. I appreciate what you did while you were here, but you're not here now. So you're the enemy. Ocho, what quarterback do you think has the most at stake? Out of.

Oh, playoff, playoff. Yes. Oh, Dak, of course. We know that. We know that. They haven't won anything since 1995. Every year, every year since 1996, every year is their year. Every year is their year.

Obviously, Dak, you're playing for America's scene. You understand what that comes with. Michael Parsons. I don't think it's really grasped the concept and understanding who he's playing for. You're playing for America's team. That's why all the tension is on you. The Dallas Cowboys move the needle.

Jerry Jones moves the needle. They are the team that is going to make the headlines and move the needle for all broadcasts, for all stations, for all journalists, the highest stakes on the Cowboys. And I think they're going to get over the hurdle this year. I think they're going to get over that hurdle this year. At some point, at some point this year, they're going to meet the goddamn San Francisco 49

is in that NFC championship. And I'm hoping, I'm hoping they handle business. I'm for Kyle. And Kyle made the, they make the Super Bowl. I'm going to go. Because I already know I'm good. I call Mike Shanahan. If I ain't have no job, I guarantee you I'd call Mike Shanahan, hey, what's going on, 84?

Like, I need a job. I mean, what you want to do? I want to do something for the 49ers. Okay. You're going to coat? You're going to go to do something for the 49ers? You ain't played for 49ers? I don't.

But I tell you what, my former coach is there in his son. Okay. I see what you're saying. Bet you that. Well, shit, I'm coming with you then. You come out. Yeah, I agree with you. I think that has the most at stake.

Oh, yeah. Followed closely by Josh Allen. Josh Allen's right behind it. That's a good one. Because remember, they were 13 seconds away from advancing to the NFC title game. I mean, excuse me, AFC title game. And having the game in their building. And last year they got knocked out early.

Cincinnati went there and beat the brakes off. Yeah. And so it's time now. It's time. You know, Dak led the league in touchdown passes. CD led the league in catches. Ro, offensively, you know, you got a solid offensive line. You don't run the ball, but I don't think you put a heavy emphasis on running the football.

If you run the football, you got to put an emphasis on it. You got to make sure everybody understand their responsibility or wire receivers got to get in there and dig out of safeties. You got to knock people off him. That's how you get long runs. The offensive line got to be violent. They're a little older now. They've been involved in a lot of collisions. Zach Martin is still a solid player.

He's not violent like he's not as violent. as he once was. You see Tyrant Smith miss games, starting to miss three, four games annually. But there's still a solid, there's still a solid ball club. They're going to get a game at home. Yeah.

Maybe two. Who knows? Maybe three. Listen, the Cowboys at home. But Cowboys at home? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They're putting up 24, 24, 28, 29.

No, they're averaging 37. They're averaging I think 37.4, 37.5 points at home. I thought it dropped down a little bit. No, hell no. No. If they listen, they get two at home. Mind you, mind you, after this weekend, there's only two more after that.

Yeah. Yeah, you got to division around the NFC title game. There's only two more after that before the big dance. Boy, if that, if that win a goddamn Super Bowl this year, man, they might as well put the goddamn statue outside of goddamn AT&T Stadium or whatever the name of the goddamn city is. Jerry's world, no, it's going to be Dax's world. Ain't going to be no goddamn Jerry's world.

Let me ask you a question. You know that when the playoff, I mean, win the Super Bowl. You know a contract up, right? See, these already said, I want to be the highest paid. What you think Michael want to be? Now, what's the likelihood of you having the three high-paid players on one team? Somebody got a sacrifice, Ocho. They ain't going to work.

They ain't going to work. And I'm not sure. I wouldn't be the one to do it. I don't want to be the one doing the number crunching. And I wouldn't even want to be Jerry at that point. I do. I think it's a good problem to have. It's a great problem to have, but it's only so much you can do.

The salary cap is still, the salary cap is going up. But it's not going up enough to you're able to pay back what he's owed and what he's deserved, especially, excuse me, if you go deep into the playoffs and oh, hell, yeah, you win a Super Bowl, you might as well just back at the brink truck. You might as well, matter of fact, you know what you could do? Back on two of them. They do it in college before the NIL money. Well, listen, Dak, we're going to give this,

and we're going to slack the little something under the table. I don't know they're like that. You want to be like, they might, Roger Goddell might put the death penalty on Jerry, take my cellmate grab in. Ain't, ain't nobody got to know. Ain't nobody got to know. Ain't nobody got to know.

Ocho, what did I tell you if more than one person knows something? Somebody got to be dead. Okay. That's the only way to keep that hush-hush. Ocho, uh, Jerry said, and if I'm the old age, They say, Jerry, I heard you say, you have no idea

the size of the check I'd be willing to write for one more Super Bowl where you got it. Now, how big a check you're going to write for that? How big a check you're going to write for CD? How big a check you're going to write for Micah? Well, shit, listen, the game of football is 11 on 11. You can't play three. You can't play three on 11.

They ain't got done to do with me. You told me my job. You told me my job is to play. So don't tell you. Don't come to me. Talk about A, help us out on the campus. give us a hometown discount. Oh, no,

no discount, man. As a matter of fact, I ain't even from Dallas. I give my hometown of discount. You're right. I give Glenville a discount. I ain't give you-ish, because I ain't from Dallas.

And the Cowboys ain't my team. Yeah. Hey, listen, I'm hoping, I'm hoping for Dax's sake. I'm not, you know, I'm not a cowboy fan. I'm a fan of players. I'm a fan of individuals.

I'm a fan of individuals that I want to see you over the hump. I'm a fan of individuals that I want to see succeed. And there's one player that has constantly been bombarded and harassed, rightfully so. Let me state that. Rightfully so for not being able to get his team to where they're deservingly should be. I really want to see Dak do it.

I really want to see him do it. Right. This is what I think. What everybody has been in the chat, how many people got in the chat to ask you? I think this is what their people have been waiting for. Yeah. Us, our commentary, what we're going to say. Stephen A. unloads on Jason Wilson.

Oh, oh, Stephen A will come with them thing with them hate makers, what? Stephen A. Whitlock called Stephen A's book, Farsicle, saying he had an issue with the claim that he was recruited by Winston-Salem State to play basketball despite only playing one year in high school. Willock said Stephen A was lying about going to an open trial at Winston-Salem and hitting 17-3-pointers and getting a scholarship offer after that's right on the spot. Stephen A says he contacted ESPN leaders just to warn them about his segment. on Jason Whitlock. I don't know if you watched the show, but I told Stephen Asa Stephen A, will you please stop lending people your audience?

Yeah. Sometimes, listen, sometimes you got to put people in your place. Sometimes you got to put people in your place. Because what happens is, if you don't say nothing, they're going to keep them coming at you, and they're going to keep them coming for you. Normally, when you're in school and there's a bully,

and he bullying you, he going to keep on bullying you until you stand up to him. So at some point, I'm assuming Stephen A is fed up because Mr. Wheatlock has always been going at him and going at him and going at him and going at him and going at him and going at him and taking shots at him. And now he's finally fed up. You got to stand up for yourself.

But Ocho, this is what Stephen that says. Stephen that says I'm a very forgiving person, not with him. I hate this, you know, B-A-S-T-R-D far more than a little bit. He's the worst human being of any, you'll ever, you'll ever, me. You get with a mile of his presence, wrap your arms around him and protect your soul. He's king. He's the devil, the worst.

That's all I have to say. Ocho, I get it. You got to stand up for yourself sometime, you can't do that. Sometimes you got to stand up for yourself. That's like your mama's seeing you to school. Boy, if somebody hit you, you better hit him back. And if you don't

hit him back and you come home, I'm a march your ass right back down to that school. So you get your leg back. At some point in the Bible God said if somebody slap you turn the other cheek. No that's in the Bible see I ain't in there okay I'm right here

right there turned other cheek I ain't in there he was talking about people that was in the Bible right but think about it I'm on you slap me listen Stephen A Smith I'm assuming has been turning the other cheek for a very long time and now he's at the point where he's fed up

yeah so therefore to me listen I like to see this side I like to see a different side of Stephen A. Smith. I think all journalists that have a problem with somebody that is sick of people always picking on them or taking shots or saying something, I think they all should. You know what? I think everybody chat, all journalists that are going to see this, regards to what platform you are. If you have a problem with somebody, I think you'd take the Stephen A. Smith route. Let somebody know.

It's so refreshing. It's so refreshing to see somebody be their authentic, organic cells. when they have a problem with somebody and so that same politically correct bullshit that we always spew. I like it. Ocho. You don't like it?

No, no. For me, Ocho, look, guys are starting to take shots at me that never took shots at me before. And you and I know. You just did it on the last show. So you just did the same thing. But no, no, Ocho.

No, I didn't mention no name. I remember people knew who I was talking about. I still don't know who you're talking about. I was just going along. But here's the thing. This is what I'm trying to tell. tell, look, if you look at career-wise, you look at where Stephen A is,

and you look at the guy that he was talking about. Stephen A is up here. He's here. Or even lower. So in other words, see, Ocho, you remember like, when we were growing up and somebody be going, hey, man, you're going to town and let me catch a ride. See, the only way he can get up if he's attached himself to Stephen A.

Or somebody that's hired that's going up. I'll leave him alone. Right. I don't, look, I don't mess with it. I don't mess with him. He knows I don't mess with him. He likes to bring my name. You know Fox tried to feed him some information about this and that.

And he threatened, I don't get into all that. I just look, I know who I am. I know what I am. Okay, y'all say all y'all little stuff. Because, see, the problem, the problem that he has with me. See, and this is what a lot of people have that are journalists. You see, I see that I consider the desk on ESPN or I, I did it at Fox and I can do what they do.

They could never live in my world. They could never play pro sports. So now not only could I play sports and I was damn good, I can sit across and I'm more entertaining. I'm more informative. I'm more educational than you. See, those that can do, those that can't talk. You see, all they can do is talk.

I could do. That irks them. It irks them. that somebody from rural South Georgia with a list that overcame that can do this. It bothered them that complex boated me most entertaining. Come on, I. It bothered them. It bothered them that I got the interview with Kat Williams,

the second most viewed interview on in YouTube history. 42 million. 42 million, my dad. 42. Come on now. they mad about the Ocho and they owe this and that why y'all bother me? I've never said

anything about anybody because I don't care about you. Stephen A and I have always been cool. Obviously we were a lot cooler now. He was always cordial to me. I think there's a fondness there because he went to HBCU and so did I. So I know the plights of people that go

now. Now I don't know what is like now. It's probably a lot better than when I I was, then when Stephen A. and I was in school. Right. I'm almost certain of it. But I don't know why so many of these guys got to put my name in the mouth. It seems to be the only way they can get clicks.

You never hear me come on. I've never, unless somebody has said something about me. You don't hear me mention anybody's name. I've never gone on my podcast and talk about a former reporter. When I talk about players, I'm critiquing their play. Right. What's it? I don't just go out to just start.

And I'm paid for that. But they're mad. They see, I got 2.35 million subs on Club Shayshay. We're going about to hit in another two weeks. We're going to hit 800,000 subs and a podcast that's three and a half months old. Right. And so now the fact that, you know, somebody might throw the bag up. Man, that show might get picked up.

Somebody might throw the bag at Nightcap. Not he mad. Everybody got so, oh, he was a loose cannon. Oh, he was this. And if he keeps doing, bro, I ain't said nothing. I ain't never said nothing. Right. I don't bother nobody.

But I tell you what, just leave me alone. Right. Just leave me alone. Whatever you got going on, why are you mentioning my name? I don't mention your name. I don't care about you. And so, look, look, me and Clay Travis, we don't have anything in common. Clay Travis, don't F with the dude that Stephen A. was talking about.

Right. That should tell you everything you need. need to know. Clay Travis don't mum, don't rock with it. And I had my issue, I had my issue with Clay Travis. Y'all can go look up, y'all can go dig up the tweet. Right. All I said was, bro,

I don't know you and you don't know me. But don't make me lose my job. Enjoy the rest of your day. I live it at that. You're eating with that on? That's all I did. You can pull up the tweet. That's all I said. I don't, all that back and forth, I ain't about that.

I had one issue with the guy that with Stephen A got into it with I told my bosses I said hey just keep me just telling to keep my I won't be here alone because I don't play

all that I don't do all that back and forth leave me the F alone I don't bother nobody right but boy I'm telling you he don't want any problem just leave me I don't know why

he feels such a need to keep my name okay whatever you got going on with Stephen A that's it okay y'all both work that are ESP and you're both journalists. Maybe there's competition there. I don't know.

Leave me to help alone. I'm not what you won't. I'm not. So that's why, if you see me nine times out of team, if I'm not in the airport, if I'm not like working, Shannon by himself.

Right. You see me in Whole Foods. You see me in Target. You see me. I'm by myself. I'm home 90% of the time with my dogs. because I don't fool with people. And what I've started to see,

and I didn't see it at first, everybody saw what was going on with Shannon before Shannon actually saw it himself. Right. Ash used to tell me, Shannon, you don't understand what you are. I said, Ash, I'm just, she said, no, no, no, no, no, you're not, you're not, no, you're not the same,

Shannon that you walked in here in 2016. You're a different Shannon now. I said, but I said, no, Shannon. Everybody saw what was happening before I did. Ocho, think about it. Now all of a sudden I'm funny. Now all of a sudden I got takes. I've always had them.

But now I'm free. Yeah. Stephen A or Stephen A. There's nothing like I've never been jealous of a teammate. When Ron Smith started to come on, I gladly, hey, I'm still trying to get my thing, but I'm giving them information. As Ron, his locker was right across with mine.

I remember when he first walked in there, he said, I want to be like you. I said, what you mean? He said, I want the love or respect the fans give you. I want the way the team, the way they treat you. That's what I want to be. I said, well, this is what you need to do. Rod started coming on. Hey, come on for us, let's get this.

That's how I am. I don't bother. No, everybody, ask anybody at CBS. Ask anybody at Fox. I ain't talking about the high ups because all the stuff you, You never heard anything about Shannon Sharp for six and a half years until all of a sudden the news broke that Shannon Sharp was parting ways with thought.

And then all of a sudden, Shannon Sharp is the worst person ever. Never heard of Pete. Go ask ESP. I don't bother nobody. They call me and say, can you do this? Hey, I'm done. I'm there. What do you think about it?

I'm good. Stephen A wants to know of you. Okay, I'm cool. That's how I am. I don't bother people because I don't want nobody to bother me. But somehow my name, whatever you got going on with Stephen A, I just wish Stephen A would let it go. I really do.

I like it. I enjoyed it because sometimes when you don't address stuff like I told you before, when you don't address stuff, man, they will continue to try to bully you. They will continue to keep your name, keep your name in their mouth. That's just, it's life. That's the nature of the business. And to see what Stephen A. Smith did, what you don't see very, often from journalists.

I mean, it's refreshing. It's refreshing. And he said he's not going to address it anymore. And that's it. That's it. I mean. Oh, Joe, check this out. I was in the airport.

And the guy tried to prop me up. He's like, man, hey, man, you're great. You're a great addition to the show. But I'm trying to put Stephen Nade down. I said, my man, don't do that. I say, you can give me prop without trying to stand on him. Don't do that. Right.

I'm not, hey, I appreciate you giving me kudos. I appreciate you saying I'm this. Right. We can do that without saying something negative about him. I'm not going to stand for that. Uh-huh. We ain't going to do that. Because think about it now.

I got a ginormous personality. I'm a big presence. Ain't a whole lot of people in Stephen A position would have brought me on. Right. Ain't no way in hell. Ain't no way in hell. because had I been this in 2016, you think they'd have brought me on in Fox?

Me being what I am, as I sit in this chair, Ocho, you think they'd have brought me on in Fox? Hell no. Hell no. And I'm okay with, I understand that. Hey, I do my thing. I come to work, I show up, I punch the clock, I go home.

Ain't called nobody, no problem. Right. Damn. Hey, listen, and the great words of, I don't even know who said the quote, Can't we all just get along? Yeah, we could. Can't we all just get along?

But, I mean, they're going to take your shots. It come with the territory, huh? You got to be ready for it. It comes with the territory. Oh, Joe. I don't mind people that don't know me, taking shots at me because you don't know me.

Right. But how are you going to be pretending like we were cool? And now you try to take a subtle shot. But I saw it coming. But it's starting to come with greater frequency and regularity. What? I gave you kudos when you was doing your thing. Right. I just don't get it over, Joe.

I don't. But little do they know what's for me. God going to give it to me. They can't take it. You're going to get it regardless. What's for you? Whatever it is. If a bowling ball is supposed to drop on your head, that's what's going to happen.

If you're supposed to win the lottery of $100 million, that's what's going to happen. You're going to get what's intended for you. Oh, yeah. So wasn't doing it for me. But they make it seem like what bothers me, Ocho, is that people seem like if I start to get a little success and they think money's going to come along with it, that the money is their money.

All that money, the government printed a $3,000, $5 trillion during the pandemic. They're not going to run out of money. It's enough for everybody, too. It's enough for everybody. Enough for everybody. but somebody might talk by say call Shannon name a little more than they called theirs they might say I like Shannon take on said subject more than they like theirs I don't think I've always thought like this and this is what my grand and my grandfather instilled in us you're not better than someone else you just can do a job better than they can I believe I can do this better than anyone right that's what I believe.

And I ain't got to bang my chest. I ain't got to do all this. And no, I ain't no columnist. I ain't no investigative reporter. And I ain't no new. No. And see,

that's what, Ocho, I mean, it's kind of like how actors feel when somebody didn't go to Juilliard or they're not trained. And all of a sudden, they come on to their house,

they look at them, they look at them sideways. I mean, bro, you still got your role. You still get your money. Yeah. But that's just the way I am. But everybody, like you said, Ocho, everybody isn't like that.

And I'm starting to understand it. And that's one thing my sister said, she said, Shannon, you're going to get that. Yeah. I got a question. Yeah. Have you ever thought about the individuals that are saying anything or just having a reason to point out something you're doing and keeping your name in their mouth? Have you thought about reaching out and asking them what the problem is? No.

They got my number. Oh, they already got to contact, too, so they could have came to you first. Of course. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Of course they could have. All right. They come to me with other stuff. All right.

I see what you're going. I hear what you're going. Damn. But it's all good. I'm going to keep doing me. I'm going to keep doing me. Oh, we got to. We got to.

I'm going to make sure you do. Shit. But they're going to be mad here shortly. Trust me. They're going to be mad. They're going to be mad at Socho. They're going to be real man. And then what?

Y'all make sure you get that subscribe button, guys, help us out. We're trying to get the 800,000. That help us get the 800,000 and 10. Nah, where are we at? Let's get, hey, let's get to a million before we go to Super Bowl. Man, that would be lovely. Ocho, we're asking an awful lot a million about a Super Bowl. Listen, if we can get to a million.

That's a month. If we can get to a million before Super Bowl. Wait, wait, I have a question. Yes. We're doing a live show in Super Bowl? Yes. No? What do you think?

Thursday. Thank you. If we can get to a million before the last Super Bowl show in Vegas, in which I will drink La Portier in front of a whole bottle. You didn't drink a whole bottle. I didn't look at the last. Huh? Nah, because I'll be doing the show about 10 minutes in.

I'll be doing the show by myself. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't. Oh, I forgot. Hey, chat. Chat, if y'all watching, what we got 32,000. I think we got about 32,000 in the chat. I told y'all, I tweeted before the show.

started. If you can guess the team jersey I'm wearing in the name, the play I'm wearing, the team jersey, and the person jersey I'm wearing, if you can guess in the chat, whoever gets it right the first time,

I'm reading the chat, whoever get it right the first time, send you a thousand dollars now. You got to get it right? Yeah, the team jersey and the name on the back. Well, damn. Well, you sure not trying to get that way of that money. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Pat McAfee today announced that Aaron Rogers is done as a guest for the NFL season. After he made the announcement, Aaron Rogers Tuesday was done for the season, and he and his staff applauded. McAfee then explained that Rogers had become too much of a distraction. McAfee said, so Rogers Tuesday's season four is done. There's going to be a lot of people that are happy, myself included, to be honest.

He continued to say the way it ended, it got really loud, really, really loud. I'm happy that if, if I'm, I'm, I'm happy that it's going to be my mentions going forward with great news. McAfee made the call. He has creative control of guest booking. Obviously, I'm certain ESPN, um, I'm sure ESPN help aid that decision also. You can't, you can't take, man, come on. Joe. Yeah, boy, I already know. And the stuff that he's talking about. That's way above my pay grade. It's okay to total line. It's okay to push the envelope. But there's certain things you just don't touch,

especially with A. Rod mentioned and even implicating that the individual was a part of that, well, you can't play like that, boy. And he keeps talking about stuff that happened in 2020. Man, nobody care about voucher. Nobody care about that COVID vaccine. okay, you took an alternative. That's fine. But you try to keep it. First of all, it's just like, oh, I'm going to have the fast

and recover. Arod, he loved to hear his name mentioned. That's why he kept talking about, oh, I'm going to come back, I'm going to come back. And then he came back, and then they activated for what? He took a roster spot. Well, I told him,

I told him not to do that. Oh, so they didn't listen to you this time. But when you told him you wanted Alan Lazard, they didn't listen to you. When you told him you wanted Randleck, they listened to you. But when you told them don't activate you, don't put you on the active roster,

they didn't listen to a man that had Achilles surgery. So they didn't listen to you then, but they listened to you all the other time. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. No, I was going to say, he knew he wasn't for the play. You know you weren't for the play.

You're going to get the headlines anyway. You're going to get the headlines anyway. No, not when you are injured. You're no idea of you. You've never been injured. But when you're injured, you see guys, who talk about them when they injured?

the coaches ain't talking about them. They're not in the game playing. The media are not mentioning them. When the last time you heard somebody mentioned Joe Burrow since he got injured? Okay, I see you going with it. That's what he couldn't stand. That's why he kept that bull job going

every week trying to take a shot at Travis Kelsey. Tell about the vaccine. You didn't get the vaccine. Okay, that's fine. Bro, that's three, four years ago. Move it alone. But see, oh, you hear what A.R. I'm surprised they let it go.

as long as they did because he keeps these conspiracy theories because he's the thing he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. That's his thing. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Right. But I guarantee you, let me ask you a question.

So did they do alternative medicine on that Achilles? Did he take a hospital? What are you saying? That drug, that hallucinogenic. Hawaska. Ayahuasca. Did he take that to have him put him under?

Or did he take the regular medicine like everybody else took? you see he pick and choose the type of medicine that he believes in a rod full of what the elephant left on the showground that's what he's full of everybody knows it but a lot of people are afraid to say it so I'm glad because you can't keep coming on somebody platform and then talking about their ball

and making those kind of accusations those conspiracy theories oh voucher all the vaccine oh I want to debate Travis Kelsey about the brother nobody care about that damn vaccine people got it that we're wanted to have it. And if they didn't, they didn't get it. Move on. Why are you still talking about some stuff from 2020?

I mean, 2020. Ah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Listen, I just know some of the, boy, you understand the privilege you got to have to be able to say some of the stuff he was saying? Of course. Oh, you know, you're not, you know, you're not, you know, you know, you know, do you understand the privilege you got to have to be able to. to say some of the stuff he was saying. Shit.

I would have never saw the light of day. I wish I would say shit like that. Never. Never. No, first of all, if you'd have been on a program and you said that, you'd have never been back on that program. Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. And it would only take one time. Yeah. They're not bringing me back so I could re-explain myself again. Oh, no. No, no. To further advance your conspiracy theories. but I like PMAQ,

I'm glad he made this decision he's been great he's been great to me he's the model that we're what we're trying to capture because we saw what he did so that tells us I mean he did it

that means it's possible to be done so therefore it can be done again yeah most definitely so that's how we look at it that's how you and I approach it to Ocho so kudos to PMA for probably taking a stand

whether a ESPN and help with that decision, I think that's the right decision that you made feedback and congratulations. The Miami waited, go ahead. You want to ask something? Before you finish? No. The person, the first person to answer right on the name, the team

and the name. You can see the name, yeah? Yeah, Batista. Yeah. Somebody got it right. Philmon Yosef. Philmon Yosef. I'm sure you follow me on on Instagram or Twitter. Send me,

send me your Zelle, send me your cash app. Philmon Yosef. You were the first person to answer right with the team and the, and the player's name. Send me your Zelle, your Instagram,

your PayPal, your Venmo, whatever it is you use, your cash app. And I'm seeing you $1,000. I'm going to do this every night from now on. I'm having on a different jersey.

If you're able to guess the player's name on the back and the team name, I got you with $1,000. So, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Miami Heat waited until Eric Smolster's divorce was finalized and they gave him a record-breaking contract. I think it's eight years, 120 million.

Spoh and Nicky, a former heat dancer, announced their divorce November 23rd after seven years of marriage. The thing got finalized. Pat Riley and McKayerson broke bread. Wait, seven years, huh? Yeah. Well, you know that saying, huh? My grandma used to say all the time, the seven-year itch, it gets you every time, huh? Yeah, I don't know what happened to me

Listen, seven years It should get you every time Hold on this If something's about hitting seven years And anything Either you're going up here You're going down here Ain't no in between

Uh I thought it was no fraternization With the cheerleaders And the dancers And the coaches and players We couldn't mess with the cheerleaders Wait, who listened to them rules? Man

Me? Wait, who messed with a cheerleader? She was a dancer. She was? That's what I said, Ocho. Oh, my bad. I ain't know that. But listen, sometimes love,

sometimes love is in places where you're not supposed to be looking. And that's what happens. Sometimes you find love in a place you're not supposed to be looking. Normally, your mama told you, these are the type of boys you don't want to have and you better not bring nothing like this home.

And guess what you bring home? Exactly what she told you're not the motherfucking bring. Don't we all want what we can't have or what we're not supposed to have? And why does it feel that much better than the things they want us to have? What did Adam do? What was he supposed? What was he not supposed to do, Ocho? There's an archer to the tree, an orchard.

Yeah. You just can't eat out this one. No. And he was the only one. He didn't say nothing by he. He could ate the whole damn tree. Right. You couldn't eat it.

Yeah. what she did know what he did oh what he did you're right you right you right you're right I started

the things that are not the things that are not good for you feel so wait what's the word I forgot I forgot the saying the things that are the bad for you

feel so good the things that are the bad for you the things that your mama or your daddy told you to stay away from as a woman Are you looking Don't mess with the bad boys

Let me ask you Don't mess with the bad boys What you want, Ocho You want something that's good for you Or good to you That's the problem That's what you're running into Ocho Because see what's good for you

Might not be good to you And what's good to you Might not be good for you So which you won't Ocho I'm gonna break it down I'm gonna make a real simplistic Because I get what you I'm trying to say

So I'm gonna give it to you At a very simple term Yeah You want what's good for you Or good to you Because what's good to you ain't good for y'all ways. Now, what you want, Ocho?

Listen, I want what's good for me. I want what's... Baby! Baby! Baby! Are you good for me? Are you going to be good to me?

Yes, we still working. Are you good for me? Are you going to be good to me? Answer me. Ooh? She can't hear. She's wrong. Again.

Really, Drake. Yeah, I mean, look, I don't... Oh, Joe, we don't know why. I don't try to profess when people like, oh, they look so happy. Man, that's for the cameras. Oh, yeah, it's always the camera. What they're supposed to be arguing in front of the camera? They're supposed to be frowning each other in front of the cameras.

I don't know what's going on in someone's home. So I don't profess to know. So I don't know that seven years of marriage. The last two years, the last year might have been held for, and naked. Right. Right. But something led them to go away, to be wanting to go their separate ways. Forget, forget them going there separate ways.

Why is the divorce rate so motherfucking high? Why is everybody breaking up? Because it's easy. I ain't going to work out. Look here. The marriage ain't, see, people don't look at marriage as a job. Because I quit. I quit it.

Quick. Quick in a hurry, huh? I quit. I quit. Quig in a hurry. any day, anytime. Listen, hey, you ask a couple, right? You ask a couple who's been married for years, always.

Nice to do this randomly. Obviously, just to prove a point, do this randomly. Ask a couple that's been married for a very long time. Everybody say the same thing. It's hard. It's a lot of work. Yeah, for sure. It's hard.

It's a lot of work. Same answer. So are people getting to the point where you know what, I don't feel like working on it no more? Yeah. Have we gotten to the point where we don't want to grow to We're not evolving as one. I don't know.

It's easier to grow apart than it is to grow together. Because it takes work to grow together. It don't take nothing to grow apart. No. Just do what you can just do what you normally do and watch. Because a lot of times, oh Joe, people will plant a seed and think that it's just going to grow. But no, you got to water it. You got a fir-latter.

Yeah. Look, I've never been married. But I do know. The reason why a lot of my relationship didn't work because I ain't water it. I ain't fertilize it. But I was watering. I was watering and fertilizing my career. That's on me.

See, I'm not, I'm not naive enough to sit here and says it was the woman's fault. Sometimes it was, but 90% of the time it was mine. Come on, preacher. I own that. Yeah. I own my mistakes. I like that. See, the thing, also a lot of times when I was growing up,

People used to say things, you know, I had a list, and it was, you know, hard for me to enunciate certain words. Uh-huh. And my grandmother, I tell my grandmother, you know, people make fun of me and say things. And she said, boy, it ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to. Mm-hmm. So I learned early on, if I take ownership of my, uh, my inferior, my insecurities, you couldn't make me feel bad about them. I know I talk with a list. I know I don't speak grammatically correct. Okay, I'm cool with that. Once I took ownership of that,

people couldn't make me feel bad about that. Right. And that's what you have to do. Take ownership of your insecurities. So when people say, oh, you, okay, big nose, you black, you know, I was dog, okay, call me smut, call me chimney, call me dirt, call me all that, crow. Yeah, I'm coming all that. They call you all that? Yeah. Shit. Mm-hmm.

You good now, though. Huh? You good, you're good now. See, I remember back in the day, you had to be light skin. You had to be like El De Bard, Checo de Bard's now. You know, I ain't no one who wants no dark skin, man, no. Man, no. Man, that boy bruised too easy, man.

You hit them upside the head, they bruised. They turn red, black and blue. Nah, I mean. You know, Michael Jordan came along in Westless, night. I've been popping since. I've been popping ever since. Everybody know from the side. You know exactly what I'm talking about. People in the chat, they know what I'm talking about. Everybody wanted

the light skin guys with the light eyes. They had the waving hair like cheek on the bar, down the bars, them. Yeah. With a little oil machine in it? Yeah, yeah, they wanted them guys. They ain't want nobody old dark that. Oh, man. No, they ain't want me there. Oh, Lord. That's funny. But now, ever since Michael joining the Wesley Snipes. I've been popping since the 80s. Mid-80s, I started popping. Ain't dropped off since.

They ain't gonna never drop off. Oh, no, no, black in. Fine. Listen, boy, we've been in. We've been in for a minute. Yeah. We've been in for a minute. They didn't want no dark as kid got. He's too dark. He's black. Okay. All right. Listen, you know what they say now? The black of the juice is sweet as the berry.

Nah, I think it's the black of the berry of the sweet of the juice, but I get where you going. Wait, I said it wrong. Yeah. Baby, the black of the juice is sweet of the berry. The black of the berry, the sweet of the juice. But how do you know? You say she love her some black berries, honey. Yeah.

Yeah, talk your shit now. But, oh, you know, you're cool, you know, I'm playing it. Hold on a, Ocho, you say, the black of the bear and sweet of juice. She, they're about getting diabetes messing with me. Because I'm black in the bullpope. You know what I said, Ocho? They get diabetes with old shake. Oh.

Yeah. You better. I get on this old sugar. betrayed him? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm real bad, please. They already know.

I like that. Damn, man. Hey, well, we have some good ad topics tonight, boy. Well, we have some great topics tonight, Hojo. Hey, I like that goddamn Stephen A. goddamn, uh,

Jason Whitlock, Toffa. That shit were good, right? Why do you like that? Well, you, you like, you like conflict. No, I don't know. I don't like conflict because I'm not, I'm not conflicting. I don't, I don't like problems.

I don't like problems. I don't like problems. I like to find a solution to them. But it's interesting because I'm glad to see Stephen A outside of his form, outside of his norm. I got a solution to a problem. Someone always jabbing at you, jabbing at you, jabbing at you, jabbing at you, or taking shots at you, it's okay to defend yourself.

It's okay to finally stand up. Because if you don't stand up to the bully, he's going to continue to bully you over and over and over. And that goes for anybody. In your workplace, at home, might be a relationship, might be a friendship. Sometimes you have friends. You don't even know they bullying you. Sometimes at some point you got to stand up for yourself.

My thing is the way I look at Ocho, I'm a rocket ship. I'm taking off and I ain't let nobody hits a ride. I like it. That's the way I'm looking at Ocho. I choose who to pick up and give a ride to the destination that I'm going, which is to the top. And I don't choose them. Shit, I'm going to.

Hey, absolutely. Lady Ray said, I got a good one for you guys. What's the hardest thing for you to say, I need help. I love you or I'm sorry. It's easy. It's easy. Say, what's the hardest thing for you to say? I need help.

I love you or I'm sorry. Well, shit, well, ain't none of them three hard for me to say. Obviously, I say I love you every goddamn day. I need help. there may be one or two people I can go to when I do need help. I'm not in situations where I really need help that often, but when I do, especially when it's something that I don't know about and I'm not knowledgeable about, I have no problem saying I need help.

And I'm sorry, well, I've been apologizing since 1983. I've been apologizing since 1983. But many a mistake, because if life came with an instruction booklet, I wouldn't have made no mistakes. And it just don't. It just don't work like that. So I've been apologizing for a very long time. No, I'm sorry.

It's definitely the easiest. Right. Yeah. Because I've never been too big, too proud to say no matter what, whether I was, you know, five, six years old, whether I was there. So whether I was, you know, early in my career or where I am now, I've just never, I've always been. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

And I'm mad enough to say you I'm wrong. But I'm also mad enough to tell you when you wrong also. And that's the problem that people have. People don't mind say, oh, man, you need to say you wrong, but they don't want to hear their wrong. So that's definitely the easiest. I need help. It depends on what it is. The extent of help and what?

Yeah. Extended help and actually what? Sometimes you might be running a little bit of money. You might need money. I need help. Relationship advice. Marriage counseling. Putting people in your business.

No, you got to do that. No, you can't have to do that. You can't have people in your business. Yeah, but when you say, I need help, sometimes you have to figure it out. You got to go to other people. Sometimes everybody else is always able to guide you and help you when they're not in your situation. Yeah, because you get to offer. See, for me, like when I talk to guys about football stuff, a lot of the stuff I'm speaking from first-hand knowledge.

Right. and I'm a very practical, very common sense type of a guy. And I just believe in right and wrong. I believe there's a right way. The way you do some things is the way you do all things. And that's just the way I've always been. And, you know, if we had to do this, we're going to do this. I'm not going to let you do that once I became a leader.

And I think that's the thing. That's why it was very easy for me to lead because guys knew I wasn't asking them what I wasn't willing to give them. Right. And so I just think that, like I said, I'm sorry. I need help. I don't have a problem asking for that. It all depends. Because I found myself,

because I think early on in my life, I didn't tell my kids nearly enough I love them. And now I won't get off the phone without telling them. I love them. I think it's easier for girls, but I noticed my son since he became a dad, he always, I love your dad. since he became a father.

Right. So, I like, I remember the first time he said that, you know, after, you know, getting him some age,

I'm like, okay. I said, I love you too, bro. Yeah. Yeah, but they'll,

I don't have a, I don't have a problem. The hardest would probably be I need help. For you? Yeah. She, boy, well,

you better to me, boy, I need help. Bang a boy, boy, if I need help, I got two people. I got two people I can call and I need help.

Now, like God willing, I'm never in a situation where I need help. But if, if any, in any unfortunate circumstance, I'm calling and I don't even care. Because all the phone calls I get when others need help throughout these years. Well, see, that's the thing. Most of the time people need help, they need money. That's easy for me. I can help about easy. Oh, yeah.

And I already know I ain't going to get it back, so I'm good. But I'm never going to give you more than I can stomach lose. Right, right. You know, you ask, I'm not expecting it back. Right. So. That's a good goddamn question, too. That's a good one right now.

Yeah. That's a good one. Great show as always, fellas, happy belated 56th birthday, oh, too. That's what Lainey Ray said. Great show is always, fellas, and happy belated 56th birthday. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. yeah I was like you know something that you saw yeah you are sorry you know what

I'd hell baby I said I was sorry oh I remember them days yeah now you're gonna make me take it back I ain't sorry no more I was sorry about five minutes ago after you don't talk he is still man I ain't sorry no more I should have stayed out late I was never a stay out type of guy also yeah a 71 year old serial bank robber who spent over 40 years in federal prison has been arrested again for allegedly robbing another bank

and got away with $64,000 in cash. Bruce Edward Bell has four prior bank robber convictions and spent more than four decades in the Federal Department of Corrections for his crimes. He was released him from prison in July of 2021. That's his own.

That's what he knows. Not only that, listen, you're a felon. You come out as a, felon. What option do you have to do anything as far as working concern? Think about it. Who's hiring you after if you've already robbed three banks previously? You've done 40 years in the feds. Yeah. You come home. Who's hiring you? Think about it. Well, I ain't hired him. No, we got anything that got to do with money. If there's any money on the premises, he ain't

get no job. So he can do construction, he can do sanitation, he could do something. There ain't no money involved. Because all of a sudden anytime he's around, money following him out the store or it follows him out of the bank. I ain't said he stole it, but somehow the money followed him out

the bank. Listen, I'm not saying he's right. Chat, stay with me. I'm not saying he's right. But what option do you have if you're a three-time bank robber and you've already spun 40 years behind jail, you get out at 71, 71, what are you doing at 71 years old and you're out of jail, but go back and resort to what you already know how to do.

by this. Do what you did while you're in jail. You work for that man behind jail. They get your ass up in the wee hours of the morning, put your ass out there in them fields, and you work. But you'll work with no freedom, but you won't work when you got freedom. So that's what you do. Yes. Do they make you work in jail if you're that old at 71? Hell yeah. If they put your ass in jail at 71, they'll put your ass to work at 71.

You talk about it. Hey, buddy, buddy crazy, man. man, buddy crazy. Right, buddy is crazy, mate. Three times you, and you get out after 40-something years and going back and forth, 40 years? Yeah, I mean, but, I mean, everybody that he knows,

everything that he knows is tied to being incarcerated. That's it, I mean, you get structured, you get schedule, you know, you date. But that's what I, oh, that's what I don't get. And my grandma always tell me to say, you'll listen to me on the outside or you listen to somebody on the inside. Inside, yeah, one or the other.

So they don't want to listen. Oh, you're not going to tell me what to do. You ain't the boss of me. Go to that place. Go to Juvie. Go to any place. State prison, state prison, federal prison. Doesn't matter.

They tell you what to do, and you gladly do it. Oh, you better. Your ass end up in the hole. They put your ass in solitary show will. It's a different world, man. That's what I'm saying. That's what I don't get. That's a different world.

I love, I mean, I mean, the pandemic didn't really bother me because I ain't a person to go anywhere anyway, so I was cool. It had no, I mean, honestly, it had no impact on me whatsoever. None. And then guess what?

I just got to roll up out of bed. Mm-hmm. Or some ablesia. Mm-hmm. And then it's like, you know, you need to look like you're a professional, so I had to put on a shirt and tie, I'm not a shirt and tie,

but a college shirt and the jacket, which is cool. But it had no impact on me. But, Ocho, when you've done something for such a long time, how do you break that? You can't. It's impossible.

It's impossible. It only take 30 days to create a habit. Well, hell, he's been in jail for 40 years, so he did. Yeah. It takes 30 days of, it takes 30 days of create a habit

and a lifetime to break it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 40 years. He's just like, hey, I need to get at that. That's a long time, bro. But he got out, he don't got no options.

I mean, but how bad, I mean, there's one, there's one thing I know. I got to go get some money, and there's only one way I know how to do it. I mean, but, Ocho, he's 71. How fast was he running? How fast did he get? I don't know. He probably walking with a cane. He had 40 years to come up with a plan to make sure he don't go back like the

last three times. And it obviously didn't work. He should have watched Oceans 11. Man, look here, I had a homeboy used to work. He used to work in the prison system. And the prisoners would say, look, he said, man, you work an eight-hour shift to keep me in here. I get 24 hours a day to think of a way to hurt you.

He said, I can do anything I want to anybody I want in here and to y'all guards. So think about that. Will y'all work those three eight-hour shifts or y'all work those two 12-hour shifts to try to find a way to get me to comply? I have 24 hours to think of ways I don't want to comply and what I want to do to hurt you. y'all. I said, yeah, that ain't the place with me. Not only to work in there. But, but what he did tell me to say, it's all about respect.

He said, if you think because you are the correctional officer and they're in there, mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm, no, sir, no, sir. Respect is, it's the currency in there. Right. Respect is everything. That's, that jungle mentality. that's that streak mentality. Respect.

Oh, you'll give it to me or I take it. One of the other. One way or another. So, all right, bro,

I'm going to stay on out of my side. O'Kinot. How y'all not mention Lamar must with the most approved? He just got big bread. He's the league MVP

with a one and three record. You're right. You're right. I can read that's number one, but Lamar, yeah, because he was unanimous

MVP. in 2019, lost in the first round to the Titans, had a monster day throwing the ball. I think he had over 500 yards of total offense, but the turnovers kind of doomed them. And so you're absolutely right. You know what? You're right.

Lamar and Dak might be 1A and 1B, why you boojabbing. Yeah, but, you know all the pressures on deck. Even just because of the team he plays for it, just because it's a star on his helmet. Obviously, Lamar also has the pressure to be in a minute. Go ahead.

Go ahead. I'll let you pretty sure. Being a previous MVP, I understand what comes with that. He's judged on a much different level because he's already won the award and probably going to win it again. But even without that having that MVP under his belt, the pressure is a little bit more. It's a little bit more leaning towards deck. I mean, what you just said about Lamar, it's different, man. It's different, man.

If you're wearing that strong, your helmet. It's different. Ocho, two MVP's. The number one scoring defense led the league in sacks, led the league in takeaways. And you got the MVP. So you got the best player on the best team with the number one defense. How many teams can say they've ever had that? You led the team in points allowed, takeaways, sacks with the MVP.

Not many. He's up against it. You've got to win. Because think about it. There's only two guys in the playoffs that have MVP's. He and Pat Mahomes. Well, Pat Mahomes has two and two Super Bowls. So he's peachy.

He's gravy. Anything Patrick Mahomes gets after this is icing. Iceing on the cake. You're right. Lamar, with the expectations, I think it's Lamar. All right. All right. the only ID said

Uncle Ocho Would you give up Five Would you give up a Super Bowl For five more prime years of football And Ocho would you give up five years of your prime Prochal would you give up five years of your prime For a Super Bowl

Hell no I ain't giving up my goddamn prime years But I got damn sure I can't eat that trophy And I can't eat that ring No Absolutely not Five more

No No In today's game, not back then. Oh, today's game. Yeah, I want to be now. I want to be, I want to be hot on IG. I'll be hot. That would I want to do.

Hey, I want to get, I want to get dressed up for the game. And then we're on the game. I want to, I want to be dripped. Yeah. I would, listen, I were going to games back then in Dickey outfits and different colors. Shoot, I'm trying. I'm going to be a stylist. Yeah.

Post on IG going to the game. Everybody pull up, they got their culling in, they got their Mercedes, the My Box and the Ferrari. I'm not the Rar. The Lambo trucks. What you're going to pull up in? No. Yeah. I'm trying to think.

That's a good question, Ocho. Listen, I'm going to give me a stylist. I'm going to get me one of them big man bags. I don't know what they put in. Yeah. Go yard. I'm going to get one of them. Get me a big go yard.

Yeah. me a stylist and what else? I'm gonna probably grow my hair out, cut me a fade and it has some waves. No, I changed my mind. Nope. I don't want no more five years. I don't want to be here.

No? Man, I'd be like, man, I'd be like Nick Cannon and future. I have 20 kids. And today's game, and today, you think so? Oh, Cho, with the access that these guys have,

you got access to some, you in Dallas, Texas, you got access in Florida, you ain't step one foot in Florida. You remember now when you and I played, you had to be in the location to see the woman. See the woman. Okay, I see you.

I see you going with you. If you were in Atlanta, you had to see people in California. You had to literally be in California. California, right. Now, yeah, it's different. You're right.

No, good. No, no, no. I don't want no more years. I don't want to play no more football. I want to sit my old ass down. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to sit down. Right.

Take my trophies. Take whatever accolades I have. I'm good. I'm going to leave it to the young boys. It's a young man's game. young man. That it is. Ali Afashar says, Ocho, you're 90.

Laurentine, Georgia. Is it good? G.D. Immaculate, bro. You should speak about footy more, man. There's a huge global audience waiting for you. Love it. Love from Toronto. I mean, I would love to do it. I would love to speak footy. I mean, at some point, maybe we can squeeze it in with Unk.

We could teach Unk a few things about the beautiful game. But that would be dope. That would be dope. Maybe I should do something separate. Maybe I should do something separate strictly for strictly soccer related. Thank you for putting that little bug in me here. That's a good one. Nikki Grant said, damn it, Shanna, I hate that you could easily talk me out of my opinion.

is the passion, the drive, the mindset, stop playing and come get my number. Oh. Lord, have mercy. Damn. I mean, do I speak with that much passion? Do I speak with that much ferocity and love and authenticity? Damn.

She said, are you going to get the number or not? Come on, Ocho, man. Ocho, I'm just, oh, Cho, I'm 55, man. I'm just out here just trying to make an honest loss. Ocho? I understand you, but she told you she asked. you to come get a number. I want to know. Are you going to get the number? No, Joe. I'm not going to get the number. No. Is that okay? Man, slide in his DM and send the number anyway. He'll hit you.

Ain't fooling me. He's just saying that because it's people watching. Nah, I mean, my DM, you can't DM me because it's blocked. So, I mean, you can DM me, but I don't, it's like, if you're not, if you're not like blue check mark or something, for some reason, they don't come through, and I don't go searching for them. Well, you can buy a checkmark and then send them a DM. I need a solid. I'm trying to shake the sheets. I told the girl, we family.

Shout me out so I can clip it. Send it to her. My name is John. Her name is Mary. Hey, hey, John. Man, hey, check this out. Hey, Mary, go on and do John this solid, man. I mean, he's good people.

Yeah. Good people. He's good people, man. I've been knowing John for about, She, by three, four minutes. Yeah. Yeah, John, make sure you got the whipped cream, boy. Grab the whipped cream, John.

Nah, don't do that, John. Don't do that. Don't listen, Ocho. Listen. First time, you got to have a lasting impression. Grab the whipped cream and don't forget the toes. Hey, go, hey, going to get one more diamonds in your system. All them diamonds on me.

You'll mess with you now. Going to get them diamonds on you. Hey, the old blaze, you got to get that diamond on you. You got to put that diamond on you. You're going to put that down on your system. About 30, 45 minutes. Don't eat nothing. Because you want that thing, you want all of it.

You want the whole hundred milligrams in your system. Hey, it's like, I don't know if you can't cook the turkey before. Put that diamond on you, boy, you got it like the turkey. Put the oven, 3.50, get it ready. Y'all know what I'm talking about. That thing would be harder than prom would. You know, you went to the prom and you about to get that. Wow.

Yeah, man, Ocho. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you, Ocho. Put that prom wood on the, hey, John. Hey, man, I don't know. Hey, John, I'm telling, listen to me now. Don't be fun of the, Ocho. You put with that diamond in your system.

Yeah. 30, 45 minutes. I mean, hey. Every time. Don't you don't want to waste it. So you get a good sense, so I kind of how to night is going. Because, you know, I mean, you know, hey, let me, Elcho, let me tell me that, you know, I had to think of my pocket right here.

Every right here, you know, we're talking. Hey, yeah. Get a little key. I said, oh, this thing, Mike. I don't want that thing at him. It's over. Ocho, it's over. It's over, Ocho.

I don't know how to, I don't know how to do that thing. Hold on. Oh, look. I, sneak in, sneak in and put it in there. You know, that little pocket, that little G pocket. You got that little pocket. Right, right, right. I had that thing sitting up in there.

Yeah, how you put it in? You know, how you put it in? I said, hey, girl, how you do it? You don't. That's what thing about that. I look that bag on Joe man

you're about to get the you're about to get the hey you know that bacon soda the arm and hammer yeah you're about to get the hammer old black hammer man that's no

that's no hell no that thing on the old show that's a good one boy that you ever heard that that that that that that that that rhino

from the gas station? Yeah, I heard about it. I ain't tried about you to try the home. Well, listen now. Because you know rhinoceros, you know that's why they caught the horn. Because they said the rhinoceros can have sex up to five hours.

Yeah. So the Asian, they take the horn, they blend it. And, man, I don't know who wanna have. Man, look here. I know me. I don't know if there, I don't think there's a woman out there

that want to have sex for no five hours. Listen, she might not want to, but she didn't been through it. Huh? Ain't nobody That kind of pounding Ain't nobody take that kind of pound No five hours old Joe

Who? Who? Five hours? Man, listen Listen, two minute intervals No, I know The rhinos I'm talking about Here's the thing

Oh, I was talking about the rhino Oh, I'm talking about me Oh no, no, no, no, no Oh yeah Five hours, two minute intervals At 99 miles an hour Pressure God dang, Jack Rabbit

Yeah, I don't play I ain't got no time I don't got no time I ain't got no time to play. About three hours. At 99 miles an hour, two minute intervals. Had the time of life. Baby.

And that's a babe. Baby. Oh, Joe. You remember that? Yeah, yeah. She knows. She remember. I got that, hey, Ojo.

I got a spade wood. I got two and a possible. In a 24-hour span, that's all I got for you. Two-and-possible? Two-and-possible? Don't hold me to that because it might get cut. After the first one, I got cut, Ocho, and I'm doing. That's all I'm saying, Ocho, that's all I'm saying.

I mean, and that be talking about, Ocho, I mean, come on, nah? Yeah. Let me talk about, oh, shit. Oh, that's, let me ask you a question. Ladies, let me ask your question. Ocho, if you put a hot dog in the microwave for two minutes, what's going to happen to it? Going to explode, ain't it? Okay.

That's what I did. I was in there for two minutes. A hot dog exploded. Boom, there is. Not what I did, don't you? I mean, come on. Not what you want from me. You bad at me?

I'm faking you. You got that. I mean, come on, don't you? I mean, they're mad at me. Hey. What's the happen. Hey, come on. Oh, now.

Work with it. I'll never tell you wrong when you're right. Listen, you got to redeem yourself. You can't go out. that because you say, listen, you can't go out like because you're going to end up in the group chat. You don't want to end up in the group chat. You want everything said about you. They don't tell nobody.

They don't want to, hey, they ain't going to tell nobody the group chat by Blackhammer. God, they know what they want to keep that on the ramp for themselves. I bet that. I bet that. All right. Okay. I'm just, okay. I'm just making show. I don't, hey, I don't, listen, I don't want you, I don't want you with no bad reviews like Yelp. I don't want you no bad reviews.

You ain't even to talk about my goddamn co-host like that. Hey, not only, my stars, not only are their logos, they're ratings. You know, the college, you know what I'm saying? You're about to stop playing with those shit. Mm-hmm. Shit. But I mean, that should be, Ocho. You should be happy.

We are. A man trampoline you for 45 minutes. Oh, something wrong with John. That ain't. Yeah, that ain't it. Something wrong with you. Bad? Come on, now.

Now, I can understand that the long you go, if you're going multiple rounds, obviously, you know, it's going to take you a little longer, but I'm saying. Something wrong with you. Excited. I'm excited. I'm excited.

Hey. Something wrong. 45 minutes? Man, look here. Who the hell? Unless you're clocking out at 5 o'clock, and you work for Bain brothers? What's your doing?

Oh, Joe. What you're trying to prove? You know, I turn to the side like this. You already know who I'm going to go to Ojo. If you have to see, hey, I'm sitting on the, count. Yeah. I turned you to the side like this. Was I turning back around at that point in time. Yeah.

Ain't no turning back now. But also, a woman should, if a man, if a man, look, I mean, sometimes you get excited and you have premature, you know what. Right, right, right, right. If you got that, if you got that Sega. Yeah. That's what's supposed to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Spoke. Yeah. Most of the time I do. That's why you got the double back.

You got the double back. They give you five minutes. Give you five minutes to recover. Ocho, I promise you, with that diamond on me? Yeah. Nothing. That's that real, that bad look here, Ocho. What?

That paid a real. That's a baby real. I'm talking about car. I'm talking about car bubble hard. You know, I don't do the old car. That old had that steel. Back in the day, that's about that rubber.

That rubble bumble. Yeah, I got, you know, baby, I need to get one of them blue diamonds. Man, look here, man. You ain't real. Don't let it do you like that, real. No, I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that. I mean, I got to know so I could be able to talk about it with you.

So I'm listening to you and your experiences. I want to know what that's like. I can't be left out. I got to know. I'm going to figure it out, though. Where I get it from? CVS or Walgreens? You know how your doctor write you a script?

Oh, I need a, oh, for script. Yeah. Okay, I got some like it. Hey, man, they're paying high now. They're about $8,000 for you. Who? They're about $80 for you. No, I'm good. I'm good.

That's all you had to tell me. I'm good. Oh, Cho. Hey, they pass ID when you put that diamond on them. They pass ID right here, Ocho. You get out to grab it. I got to grab an Oscar out of Tony. That's what they fans out when you put that diamond on them.

I ain't lies in your, Cho. I don't want to go out. They get you that right now. They're giving out trophies. What? I'm going to get me one because I ain't never won shit. I'm going to get me something. Man?

I'm going to give me something. And in this corner. Black Diamond. Let me ask you a question. And MMA, five minutes. Title fights. Yeah. Five rounds.

Yeah. Three minutes. Three minutes. Twelve rounds. Hey, I, oh, I ain't going to lie to you. I schedule it for 12. Probably going to make it out the third. I probably will make another third.

Somebody getting K-O. Don't you? Somebody getting K-O. Somebody getting K-O-D-O-T-O-T. I'm just telling like a deal. I'm coming to hot. They're bad on you. Hey.

Hell, no. Bad, please. Hell, no. Hey, after they're having trouble. Hey, you get one of those, Joe. You straight. Hey, hold on. We'll be back on.

We back on Saturday after the playoffs, right? Yeah. We're out tomorrow. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you are, we are, we back, you and I back on, um, on Saturday. Yeah, on Saturday. You know what? Saturday, I'm, I'm gonna make, I'm gonna get that, I'm gonna get that blue diamond. Saturday, I'm gonna tell you how it went once we finish, talk about the game.

Okay. Yeah, I got you. Hey. Oh, you think I got a little bad. I could, I, man, I was like a drug. I couldn't fuck you without it. Right. I was afraid.

I see, I don't want to get addicted now. I just, I just want, I just want to be able to. No, she's going to get, she's going to get, she going to get, addicted. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're going to work on that. I try to blow him. Yeah, we're going to work from me. You know, I'm a heavy way. I lay heavy. I only lie to you, Ocho. I'll leave heavy. Good luck, John. Mary, you in trouble. Now if you to donate, $50 dollars, I said, big daddy is mine. Chocolate Teddy barrel. Ocho, I dim you my number. Hook me up with Shannon. Two minutes is good. See, that's what that's what I'm going to talk about right there. See? I'll like, don't judge me. Don't judge me.

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You go to Six Flags. You go to Universal Studio. How long the rides last? Two minutes. Well, I'm with you when you write. Now you're making sense. You hear me?

Now you're making sense. Now you're making sense. So I ain't got no reason to be in it all goddamn day. No. You just gave me an analogy I can use. Yes. I like that. I'm still.

I'm still, matter of fact, you know what? I ain't even got no pen, but I'm going to put that in my notes in my phone. Let me put that in my notes. The next time I see, talk trash about me. Oh, that was three minutes. What you expect me to do? Well, hello? You ever seen a boxing match?

I've seen people get knocked out in the first round. And in one round, only three minutes. I got this, baby, I ain't a lot to you. I got a schedule for 30. Or you don't fight 36 minute, 12, three minute round. I got a schedule for the whole 12. Now, it might go to the cards. We might go to the two.

might go to the judge's car. Right. But, baby, based on my history, somebody getting knocked out. By the third? By eight. That's all I got for you.

I'm sorry, baby. I'm sorry. Bro. Antonio Roberts said, Uncle 8 to 4, the man above says, we need to find a woman with a meek, quiet spirit. You got to leave these

superficial loud chicks alone. She's out there. I know. I mean, I can get to the quiet, but the ones be, the ones be yelling so loud, I mean, by the, I do.

I'm, but that's, look, I just over here chewing the fact with y'all. I used to be like that. I ain't like that no more. Right. I ain't like that no less either. Man, I just, look at the ass over here laughing. Nah, man, look here. I know it's right out there.

Is that there for you now? Is that there for you? Sometimes, sometimes you got to find it. Sometimes you got to find you. but long as you know it's that there. As long as you know, I'm on them diamonds. You're like, you know, sometimes you go into a relationship. Baby, I smoke a little weed.

Okay, you know, I like to go with the boys. I drank a little bit. Right. Okay, baby, just so you know. Okay. You cool with that? Hey, week one round, five. I mean, no, I got a schedule.

I got a schedule to go the distance. To 12. Or to the junk. I trained. I trained. I did my cardio. I got my lifting in. I've been eating healthy.

I got a schedule to go to full 12. There's a 90% chance it's not going to go past three. And as you would join by all you want to. And you know, so... I like it. I wish I could tell them something different. Ong, I've heard you say

that you should date someone who likes you more than you like them. Is there a story behind that? Yes. For me, at the end of the day, I want somebody that really love themselves. You got to love themselves.

And because I can't be a hype man. I can't tell you every day, 50 times a day, how fine you are, how great you look, how sexy you are, how fortunate I am to have you.

At some point in time, you're going to have to have that within yourself to know you're attractive, to know you're smart, to know you're funny, and to know all the things that you want reassurance, for, but you need to know that even if I don't tell you that in a given day, you know it.

God, dang. So I think the thing is if a woman, because here's the thing, normally the women that you like, don't like you as much as the women that like you. Yeah, that normally, that 99% of the time. That's it. So that's that's my story behind that. I'm sure somebody else have a, uh, a different story, but that's mine. Uncan Ocho, big fan of y'all.

Got a date coming up. Every time I go out with a girl, we have fun, but I fail to take her home. Any advice? I mean, damn, that's what you're trying to do? I mean, I see, I mean, they used to be like, you date. I mean, I guess today's everybody hears this story about trying to get, you know, trying to, you know, hit the ball out of the park on the first night. Yeah.

I guess if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I don't lose no sleep. But I don't go in with the attention. Me, honestly, I don't go with the intentions of that. Who? I don't. Shit. Nah.

Ain't got no time away. My antenna, my antenna, too far. My antenna hook. I just can't, no. No means no. Maybe means no. Yes, means no tomorrow. Nah, I got to get to know you.

Because the last thing, no, I can't even put myself in that situation, don't you? So. Well, that was in now? Man, I ain't got time. Baby, too. What's adding? Okay. Straight to dinner.

Straight to the room. You ain't where that bad. Dang, real. You must have dinner. You, see, you do it all that. So you're a full service lover. Toads, elbows, and all in between. Everything.

So that, yeah. So, she ain't never been detailed like that. Yeah. Okay. When you go, when you go, when you go, your, your, your BMW. where you take it to the car wash, you want to detail, don't you? Yeah.

Okay. That's exactly what she got. She got detail. But everybody, I mean, the 19, the 1984 pento, you know, it's not a pento, but you know what I'm saying. It don't get the same service.

So, I mean, you got to save some of that, Ocho. Save it for who? And save for what? Everybody shouldn't be able to get the baby D. You can't put that tone on everybody, Ocho. We ain't, we ain't talked about that already. I ain't, I ain't been with everybody.

But I'm just saying. I'm talking, I'm speaking on one specific. But I'm saying, hold on, but I'm saying, you can't do that from the dough. I mean, you're coming in from the jump. Yeah, you got to come in from the jump. What you, what you're waiting for? What you waiting for? You're wasting time.

You're wasting time. Boy, life is short, man. Life is short. Tomorrow ain't even guaranteed. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed. You might as well. Right there in front of you. Hey, Faith. Look here.

Hi, Ocho. Hi, Shanna. Ocho. This is Faith. My birthday wish for you is that you get a shot to appear on first take. We're proud of your growth and pray you keep growing. Remember, God doesn't call the qualified. He qualifies the call.

Let him use you, Shanna. Hashtag 85 Love. No, Ocho said he didn't want to be on first take no more. Listen, I'm going to be on that. I'm going to be on there anyway. Y'all ain't going to have no choice but to bring me on because what's going to happen is at some point I'm going to get fed up. And I know the people like ESPN, I know how to get in the doors.

They're going to let me in the doors. I will have one on the suit. And I would just come plop myself up in the seat and sit down there and talk football with you all, or whatever season we end. And listen, I don't even want to come on there all the time. I just want to come on at once. You just told me the other day. Y'all remember when Ocho said he didn't want to come on first day?

I said that? Yep. You said you didn't want to change. How are you all in our business? Yeah, tell it real. She said that real, no. She wasn't even here. She was here.

She wasn't here? Yeah, she was here. Oh, she said she was watching live. So, you know, sometimes I say things I don't mean. Just one time. One time ain't hurt. But let me tell you what the ratings going to look like that day, though.

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Thank you for sharing it. Hey, do your boy favor. Go watch it again. I mean, I'm sure there's some things that you missed. I really, can I really want that record. I want to have, I want to pass Joe Rogan. I think I, I think I could get the 50. I really do.

And that would be a huge honor. Hell, I didn't think I'd get to 20. I didn't think I'd get to 20. But 50, you start getting 50 million. You know, they'll have to come see your boy, because your boy got some good interviewer skill. Howard Stern was talking about this boy, they talked about you today.

They was talking about it on MSNBC, said Joe Biden should go sit down with Shannon Sharp on Club Shaysay. Why like that? Like that. A good one. Hey, Joe Biden, Joe Biden is not as exciting and controversial. But people are going to watch it, Ocho, think about it. That's the sitting president.

That's President Joe Biden sitting down. Come on now. Yeah. Just make sure he don't trip over nothing. No, I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

That's a good one. Young Willie Will, Will. What's up, Shad of Nocho? Can you give me a birthday shout out, even though my birthday was yesterday tonight. God damn, Willie, you should have called in yesterday, yesterday. Young Willie, happy birthday. Happy belated birthday.

Happy belated birthday. Yeah, young Willie. Hey, keep up the great work, man. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy. Hey, Unkin, Ocho, love the show. Uncho, do you and Rayl work out together? If yes, what's her routine? She looks amazing.

Yeah, we work out together. Matter of fact, we work out together in the morning at 8 o'clock. She has a different routine than I do. She has a personal trainer that's working on some of the things that she want to perfect and work on. As far as me, I just, I free flow. I free flow for myself based on what I want to look like and what I feel like working on that day.

Obviously, two days I do legs, two days I do, two days I do arms. No, yeah, two days I do arm. One day I do chess and weekends I take off. Yeah. They're working out all right. I'm working out too. You know, I work out.

You know, you work it out of the back and I'm working out behind her. You know what I'm saying, don't you? Yeah, I feel you one day you look like this, huh? But we're the same size, man. Ocho, look at that right, the Ocho. We the same size. 5.5.

Had the war, 56, Lord spare my life and the sun don't. And the river don't rise. We're the same size. If you think about it. That's what I hold them. See, Ocho, you see how that thing peak like that? That would hold them over 180 and up.

That's what you get when you hold them 180 and above. All right. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah, wait to see what I look like in March. Man, now, man, I don't want to get too fine, Lachow. I don't want to get too fine. You know what I'm saying?

Michael McClare said Broncos fan, 19, 93 years old, please write a book. Bless you. Every quote, your beautiful grandmother parents gave you through it, gives us through you. Man, I thought about it. I mean, I've had a lot of opportunities that a lot of people have reached out and said I should write a book. My sister ain't going to let that happen. So right now, she handles everything.

She's the matriarch. And so whatever she say go, I listen to her. Um, she's been, she's been my angel, my guardian angel. She's always been there. As a matter of fact, she just left the, uh, as a matter of fact, she just left this morning. What the hell about? She left this morning. She was, uh, she was out here.

So, uh, no to the book. No to the book. No to the book. No to the book. You don't know what you're about. You know. It's all about timing. It's all about timing.

That's it. All these diamonds on me. I got a dime. I ain't got no diamond on me. Where are we? Where are we now? Subs. Okay.

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because they've been at this thing. Some of the people been in this thing three, four years and we're tracking them down. Right. Oh, yeah, yeah. We're coming. We're coming.

We tracking them down, Ocho. Are we coming? We tracking them down, Ocho. Hey, it's like, like, when you had to track meet, and somebody, they come in to get you, and then the cry, be like, woo,

woo, yeah, we're coming, nah. But we told them we were coming. Ain't nothing you can do about it. See, the thing is a lot of times, see, the thing is a lot of time, Ocho, people like to sneak up on you. No, we, We told you we coming.

We came in banging on cans on anything to let you know. We're here. That's how confident we was in our material. That's how confident we are in our content. That's how confident we are in our own ability. It's not what you do. It's what we do. We do, yeah.

And no disrespect to nobody else. No, we don't got to disrespect anybody. We just got to do what we do. And we'll let the viewing and listening audience decide. That's all we do. Yeah. Let's spin around the horn. Coach Labor retires.

Pete Carroll is out as Seattle head coach. Mike Brable is out of the Tennessee Titans head coach. NFL releases their second all-pro team. You can have that. We're going to have that up in the link. Jerry Gawson, there's a chip. That chip will never leave him for what the Rams did with the trade. Hold on.

What else we got? Stephen A. Stephen A. You're a dog. Okay, you got that off your chest. Let it go now. Put it to bed. Put it to bed.

Let it go. Let he go. Oh, my baby, watch the nightcap. Moka, I love you, baby. My daughter, watch the nightcap. Hi, Moka. Hey, Moka. I love you.

Listen, she runs Friday in Louisville. You know, she's at University of Kentucky. Right. I'm going to attract me this Friday. Baby, I'm going to see you in Louisville this Friday. Daddy going to be there. I'm going to have the blowings. horn. I don't mean to be ghetto, but I'm sorry, I apologize. You're going to hit me in a stance.

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