The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Ocho’s Induction, MNF Reaction, Zach Wilson Debate

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

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Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. Eligibility and deposit restrictions apply. Hello, welcome to another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite unc Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, the newest member, into the Cincinnati Bengals Ring of Honor. Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. Yes.

You got the sunglasses on, so I know it wasn't real. I know you cried me a real. Oh, Justin Timberlake. Oh, bald head, Justin Timberlake. Trust me, I didn't cry, but I'm feeling good. Listen, I'm happy. Let me see y' eye. Let me see y' eye right quick.

Oh, yeah, you'll cry. You cried. You cried in the car. I bet you cried to the car. You cried to the car. I walked to the stadium. I walked to the stadium and I walked back here because I wanted to be amongst the people. I wanted to be amongst the people. Yeah, I want to be amongst the people. And I wanted to feel that the love that I have missed over a decade and some change. And that's exactly what it was. I had my kids walk with me. I had the missus walking with me. Had T. T.O. came out to support me, man. I saw it. Yeah, yeah. Man, listen, that felt good, man. That felt good to have my family with me. Then my extended family, my extended family of 80,000 out there screaming that name, hearing that Ocho, just the same way you explained it yesterday. You go into the ring of honor with a former colleague of mine, Boomer Assison. So tell me what was that moment like? You're walking down as the half is about to end you and your family and your family and friends.

You start to walk down. And now all of a sudden you're on the field. And you start to get a little quick. We're like, oh, man, this thing's about to happen. Yeah, yeah. You know what? I kept thinking about happy thoughts. And what I tried not to do, I tried not to go back to everything it took to get to this point.

Because if I thought about everything it took to get to this point as far as making it to and getting that phone call from Mike Brown and then all the ups and down throughout my career, then the tears would have started flowing. I thought happy thoughts. I kept looking at my kids. that kept looking at the crowd, the focus and keep myself locked in so I don't cry. But that moment

I took it all in, I enjoyed it. You only get one of them. You only get one of them. You only get one of them. And, man, I'm going to save it that moment, man, forever. I'm surprised. I also knowing how close you were to your mom and grandmother and how special it would have been had they been there. Your mind

just for a second, didn't go there and said, damn. I wish, grandma. I purposely stayed away from that. I'm just telling you. I was able to compartmentalize Mama, everything else that was bad, the journey to get to this point,

happy thoughts, staring the crowd, make eye contact one person in the crowd and stay on that. You know, I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to break down in that moment,

even though it would have been tears of joy, it would have been tears of sadness because I'm thinking about my mama not here. I'm thinking about my grandma not here. Now, what's going to happen behind closed doors When I get back to Miami tomorrow, guess where I'm going with my ring on a jacket?

I'm going to the graveyard. They buried, they bury right next to each other. So I'm going to have that moment with them. Let them see that baby. Hold up, hold up. Well, you almost caught me. Hold on. Hold on, hold on.

You were going to see their baby and say, hey, mama, granted, I did it. Yeah, let me get back right. Let me get back right. You almost got me. You almost got me. Let me stop talking about that. But yeah, I'm going to have that moment with them tomorrow.

I'm had that moment with them tomorrow, man. And they deserve it. Since they couldn't be here, I'm going ahead and bring it to him. You're going to them. The Bengals, okay, you guys win 1916, a very hard fought ball game. Joe Burroughs dealing with that calf injury, 31 pass attempts in the first half, 49 attempts for the game. Are your Bengals back?

My Bengals are back. They're not back and not efficient as what we're used to seeing. But this is the start. This is the start. I told you something about the Bengals. We always start over and two. all the time, all the time. I think statistically,

Chase is not where he wants to be. Joe knows he's not where he wants to be because of two slow starts. Obviously, we're used to putting up big numbers even though they were losses most of the time at the beginning of the seasons. But this is a start. This is a confidence builder for us offensively.

This is a confidence builder for us defensively. And I think it's a foundation on something that we can start off and keep on making a run, you know, through the rest of the season, especially what is having too long. loss is already in the ASC North. Cincinnati is not going three straight games, three games in a row without scoring a

first half touchdown. Is that concerning for you? It's not concerned. It's all about us offensively starting fast. And I'm sure Zach and that offense, the offense of coordinator, they will get in in that film room and find out what works best for them. Again, I think when you change your tendencies, when you change your tendencies and what teams know you're going to do because they've had so much success offensively,

I think teams are ready. They're ready for everything they've seen. They're ready for the new wrinkles that you do throw at them. So change the tendencies a little bit. If you know him for running on first down, let's throw on first. If you know him for running on first down, just little stuff like that,

just change it up so you're not so predictable. How much is Joe Burrow mobility impacting what this offense can do because we know Joe is a guy that can relow on his legs. He can get outside and make plays, not only throwing the ball, but also running the ball. How much of its mobility has hampered this offense? I think it's hampered it a little bit. It's hampered a little bit.

But I'll take a 70% Joe Burrow over other NFL teams quarterbacks, quarterback at 100%. I'm just saying because Joe is poised. He's a pocket pass the first, and he runs when he has to. Correct. Not just to be doing so. So the fact that he is hampered,

he's still great at being a pocket passer. And with minimal movement, he can still be very efficient from the pocket. I thought your defense played really well tonight. When you look at it, the Rams got into the red zone a bunch, but you made them settle for field goals. Field goal gets your beat,

touchdowns win your games, wins your championship. So I was really impressed with Hendricks and those guys were able to get out of the field. even though the Rams consistently found themselves in your red zone. They did. This is what you call the definition of a bin but don't break defense. We don't let you in you. You're going to find wrinkle.

You're going to get a wrinkle here. We'll let you get in here. But once you get to this certain part, an area in our territory, in the field, in the red zone, uh-uh. That's it. And it's just in a testament to the difficulty and how difficult it is for teams. Once you get in a team's red zone on how hard it is the score, it's very difficult to score, but you only have so much space to work.

and there's only so much you can do and call. Right. And so if the guy makes a mistake because there's limited space, he can make up for it. Oh, yeah. The other game of the night, the Eagles and the Bucks,

25-11, if I'm not mistaken, that might have been the first time in NFL history that a game has ended 25 to 11. The Eagles, 472 yards, Hale Tampa to 174 yards, 1 by 14 on the road, kept the ball for almost 10 minutes

to end the ball. game. Jesus. I don't know how much of it. I know you saw a little bit of this ball game, but what was, what was kind of your takeaway, the Eagles 25, 11 over the books? Listen, it was hard for me to watch the game in its, in its totality to be able to really give an assessment, a fair assessment on how the game went.

But I was hoping, I was hoping, I'm just going to be honest, I was hoping that Baker could pull a game like this off because I haven't heard the praise for Baker for what he's been able to do. with the Bucks and his start. What was their record, Shannon? What were the Bucks record? When last year? With Tom Brady, when they made the playoff, they won a division?

No, I'm talking about. They were 2 and 0. Okay, they was 2 and O. Yeah. That's a good start. You know why? That was because the Baker Mayfield and what he's been doing offensively

as a quarterback. I'm just telling you. But again, the Eagles came away with this game. It was a good game, but I just think the Bucks were outmatched offensively. They were outmatched defensively. And obviously, the Eagles are polished. They're a playoff team.

They are a contender this year. And they did exactly what they needed to do to come out and win a game against a team that they should be. Yeah, I thought the Eagles, I mean, when you look at it, they did win by two scores. They won by 14. But I still think the Eagles got another gear that they can play with. Even though they won by 14, if you watch this game, Hertz had some costly turnovers that really hurt his team. And, I mean, he was trying to get the ball to AJ,

and AJ had a good game, dropped a touchdown, he probably wish he had back. But I'm still not, I know Jalen Hertz has another level. And because I saw it last year that he can get to, that he's not quite there yet. He's not quite there yet, but this is what I love about the beginning of the season. You got to get the rust out.

You got to get the Cobbos out. The fact that players don't play in the preseason, And I think this is a testament to how important the preseason is to get your chemistry down, to get your time and down, to get that time and down, especially the reps. I think people, people, the casual, I don't want to be rude, the casual fan that watches the game, that watches the game. What you see on Sundays is very much different than what we do in practice. You can run and practice 365 days a year. When you get into that game, nothing is the same. It's completely different.

It's completely different. I don't even know how to explain it. It's just completely different, which is why I think season is so important. But he's going to get there. The more games they play, the person is going to get into that rhythm and that magic you talking about that he showed last year.

There's something that happens in a game that doesn't happen in practice. It's called adrenaline. It's called that fight of flight, that fear of failure in the game and you don't know these guys. And it's like, but I've always felt that practice for me was harder than the game because I'm going up against a guy that I've been

going up against in practice for three, four years. He knows all my mood. He knows the release. He knows, oh, okay, Sharp, I see you at the top of the numbers. I already know what you're about to do. Okay, hey, you've got to open that split up. I know you're about to run this bang on me. So when I get to the game, yeah, he's watching tape, but he doesn't know the nuances of a guy that sees me every day in practice. So I really felt that if I could beat the guys in practice, that I had gone up against every day, two, three, four years. The game was going to be relatively easy for me. But like we talked about earlier in a couple of episodes, Ocho,

preseason was so important for me to get my breathing down, to get my timing down, get my rhythm down. I needed to get my spidey sense and tingling for a game. Yeah. Yeah, I needed that. Now, I told you, I told you before. obviously my my piss Marvin off a few times you know having to call timeouts to get me out of the preseason game before my for my help myself before I hurt myself and I told marb I say marv you

understand how important this is for me to get my timing down to get that rhythm and chemistry you know with carson and he he just he wasn't going for it but I really needed I think I still think to this day Marvin lewis didn't understand importance and how much preseason it meant to me because a lot of players the veterans didn't want to do it they didn't want to do it they felt they didn't need it. I needed it. I needed it. Because for me, it was all about breathing. It's about steps. It's about, you know, finding your way like, uh, uh, end, dip. Am I going to rip? Am I going to, how am I going just working on a little small stuff? Jalen Hertz has now rushed for 29, has 29 career

touchdowns passing Cam Newton for the most rushed TDs by a quarterback in its first 50 career games. What is, what is you seen from Jalen Hertz? Because the guy that came in, mainly and we understood and we respected his legs. But although he is still a tremendous runner, he's become a very, very good throw of the football. You know what? That makes it very difficult, but defense of coordinators,

because what are you going to do with him? You can spy him because you put a spy on him. You know what that mean? That means somebody else is going to be open. Yeah, I mean somebody else got one-on-one coverage. Somebody else got one-on-one coverage. And the fact that he has the weaponry he has at his disposal, they're going to

they're going to always be a mismatch. So you have to pick your poison defensively. You want to spine or you just want to drop everybody back and he can beat you with his legs. Right. It's on you. So pick your poison.

You want to die fast or you want to die slow. Either way, you're going to die. You know what I like most about Jalen Hurts because of it just goes to show you that no matter where you start at, if you work at something, you can get in. because if you look at the maturation that Jalen Hurst has gone through from the time that he got in,

you can see he's a much better thrower of the football. So that's when I say when guys talk about, man, you watch a guy and you're like, man, he hadn't gotten any better since his rookie year from his second year to his third year. As a matter of fact, that tells me. Now, there's a difference between habit and hard work because a lot of times people think because they do something over and over, they're working hard. That's habit. Right. Jalen Hertz has worked hard and he's made himself a very good throw of the football.

I'm not saying he's never going to be Aaron Rogers, but he's a better throw of the football. He's a more dangerous quarterback and more complete quarterback than what he was when he entered the lead. I have a question in the fact that you said that. I think all quarterbacks work hard. I think all quarterbacks work hard because in order to get to this level, in order to reach the pinnacle of success and being one of the one percenters in the world to make it to an NFL and play a particular position, who you are the commander and the leader of a team, you have to work hard at it.

But I think what Jaylen has is he has a great supporting cast at his disposal, at his disposal, and in fact, he is great himself and working to be great. So it's magnified that much more better on the work that he's put in. I think for other quarterbacks, where they fail at is they put into work and he's doing everything they can to be better, but they don't have to be. have the tools around them to allow that work present itself when the lights are on, if that makes sense. Let me ask your question.

If I gave you a 200 piece toolbox. Yes, sir. And say, fix that car. What are you going to do? A 200 piece toolbox? 200 piece toolbox and say, fix this car. What you're going to do? I'm going to fix it.

Sometimes you just don't know what the hell you're doing. It doesn't matter the tools that you're working with, don't you? Right. In some point in time, you would have to come to that conclusion. I know you keep saying give all this and all that. Hey, James Winston had those same tools that Tom Brady had that he took to the Super Bowl after they missed the playoffs and James threw 32 touchdown.

And he had... I mean, 32 interception, excuse me. Okay. That was... 30 touchdown. I think he had 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions. 33. 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions.

Right, right. You right. You right. Right. But I don't like the comparison because we talk about the greatest, we talk about the greatest quarterback of all time. But the great, and James Winston is a good quarterback. Yes. But I'm saying, but you've seen situations where guys come in and for whatever reason,

guys will rally around, guys will play, will make plays. They was like, why you didn't make that play for him? Right, right, right, right. You can't, some things you just can't offer an explanation for. Right. I think individuals, I think the difference in quarterbacks to me, it's up here. It's up here. Paid Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, their ability to process.

Not only do they believe they have the skill set, they had the arm strength, but here. They beat everybody up here. They know what you're doing before you even do it. Yes. They know what you're doing. They're seeing it before it even happens. And the game, the game to them is so slow. And you know exactly what I'm talking about

When you was in a zone Whatever year it may be When you, when you hitting your stride And the game is moving so slow Yes, in slow motion That's when you know you locked in And it's something, it's something Man, listen, Shannon, when you own

When you own, you know the year you had when you was on You know the year you had when you was on Yeah, oh yeah, you wouldn't think for me And everything is going in slow motion And it's like, and you're seeing it before it even happened And I think that's what Peyton Manning had, Tom Brady had, and they had it consistently year in and year out. Yeah.

You know what, but it takes a, we talk about these upper tier, upper level quarterbacks, we talk about the 015, 15,0.1. Those only a handful of ever reached that level. It takes a special type of lady to be in their lives. Because when you hear the, you've heard a lot of people say it's lonely at the top. Oh, you're on the back seat, baby. He's going to be the wife of a top-tier quarterback. Yeah.

Because it's almost like you're the mother and the father because you're doing so much because you're living for the other person. Because you take the kid, you're shelling the kids, the practice and the recitals. And he's asking, okay, we got, we got levels here. What's very, very, very, very important that I can't miss. But very, very important. and what's okay, hey, I miss that, it's all good.

So let me know so I can put this in my schedule because not only I'm watching, you know, two, three hours of film at work, they go home and they're going over and over. And these guys keep notebooks of every defensive coordinator that they face. So if he ever becomes a head coach or if he goes somewhere else, they've got a book on him.

Oh, yeah, they know what's coming. And you know what the funny thing about it? It don't change. No. Much don't change. Whatever someone formula, formula is, that formula goes with them and it travels wherever they go. So it doesn't change.

Yeah. If you play recrind, you're going to get pressure. If you play rack rind, you're going to get pressure. Because he'll chip off his old, he's like his dad. Oh, God. Yeah. They're coming. Yeah, every time.

Every time. You know what? There's a lot being made. Jalen Hurts scored his 10th rush touchdown on the push or the last two seasons. So it's that, it's like that, that rugby scrum. What are your thoughts on that?

Should they outlaw it? Should they ban it? What's going on, Ocho? I think, you know, you know, if they're doing something that you don't like and you can't stop it, don't let them get down in the rent zone. Don't let them get down in the rent zone.

Don't let them get third and short and fourth is short. Wait, there's no way to stop it then. Everybody else needs to take, take a page out of their book and do the same thing. Well, everybody got a quarterbacking his squad, Squat 600 pounds. But that boy squat 600? Yes.

Golly. That's what I see. That's crazy. I can only do 750, but, you know. I ain't know he would like that, why? I thought it was just me and Nick Chubb could squat like that. But, hey, that's good here. Listen, there's no way to stop that.

There's no way to stop that. No. The offense is linemen, they just going low. And then they got the people in the do. Then you got somebody pushing them in the back. Then you got somebody pushing. pushing you in the back. Yeah.

There's no way to stop that. Is it fair? No, it's not. Is it a way to stop it? No, there isn't. But, I mean, if you make a rule change, then what's next? Right. You make a rule change, then what?

Well, I mean, you know what? Because they've handicapped the defense so much. So if they take that out of the offense. Exactly. I mean, to make it fair, because now, you know, incidental contact, the defenseless receiver, you know, helmet to helmet. You got so many, you got so many rules against the defense. I'm surprised we don't see more 50-and-60-point game score

considering how they've taken the ability to punish the quarterback or punish the receiver out of the ball game. Listen, it's become a past Happy League, and I think they've made it like that purposely, just so there's more excitement for the fans. We put up more and more points, and that is what we're getting to an extent, to an extent. Because I don't think we're going to see a 70, a 70 gamer,

a 70 bomb like we saw. know between the dolphins and the Broncos. But again, the NFL wants high scoring game because high scoring game creates more eyes and more attention. Yes. And at the end of the day, we know what the bottom line is, more money. Yeah. I mean, look, all that purest, oh, I like old school football.

I like 10-7. No, I don't. If I go to a baseball game, which isn't often, I'm not trying to see a 1-0. I'm not trying to see a 2-1 ball game. I want to see 9-8s. I'm going over the fence. If it's basketball, I don't want to see like when I grew up, I mean, in the 90s,

the score was like 83, 76. Now they get 80 points at the half. I want to see 138 to 142. That's what I want to see. And when you say basketball, ain't nobody at there playing no defense, huh? No, they ain't playing no defense. But you know back in the day, you know, when the Pistons, the bad boy Pistons, and the Miami Heat and the Knicks, when they were playing football, basketball, the scores were low.

Elbows. Yeah. You had to think twice before going through that lane for layups. And I don't remember. Flagrin Files when, who's that? That was, who smashed? Kevin McHale snatched Kurt Ramas out the air with the latest game. And they started fighting.

Hey, nobody got tossed. They're like, okay, hey, you shoot the two free throws and let's go again. The band boy pistol when there was snatching joy not there. They're like, they didn't throw nobody out. Yeah, yeah. Time to change. Time to change. And I'm not going to say they haven't gotten soft.

I'm just saying time to change so everything has evolved where the rules had no choice but the change with the times. Yeah. The Jets, you're someone, Robert Sala backs of Zach Wilson. He says he's our unquested quarterback. You don't throw people away, man. He's not the reason why we lost. He's not the reason y'all won either. Listen, he's not the reason we lost either.

So I told you what I need to do. I need to go and break down film, right? I said I need to go see the film copy so I can get a better understanding what was happening. Zach Wilson was rattled. The score was close, the entire game, up until the fourth quarter. The score was close.

Close on the matter of the slowdownessing. I know that. You were today's great dance. Listen, you know, it was a great defense of game, right? It was a great defense of the game from both sides of the ball. It was very difficult for each team to score, for East team to move the ball because if they were moving the ball as efficient

as they should have been, it would have been the field goals galore from both sides, but it wasn't. It wasn't. And the key time that Zach could have made plays or wanted to, should have made the right decision on certain plays, he was flushed and couldn't make the throw

based on what I could see from film. I'm just telling you that. This man, hold on, hold on. This man, the number two pick in the draft. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Listen, let's say they ran 65. plays, right? Okay. Now, I'm just throwing this out there.

Okay. The city ran 65 plays offensively. Okay. You know, out of 65 plays, you know, one or two of those plays out of 65 make the difference in that game? Of course. You know that? It's crazy.

It's a crazy. I don't even know that I don't even know what the stat. I just know if you run 65s unplayed, it's one or two plays that make the difference in that game. Yeah. But there was a play. They ran it. It was covered two on one side.

It was covered two on one side. And quarter quarter quarter have a gullible sticks. Listen, safety, but it was on the far hash. There was a whole shot he could have hit. There was a whole shot he could have hit. Right. But I think he checked it down instead. I think he was just a little nervous and wanted to get the ball out of his hands.

That would have been a nice hole shot he could have hidden. But from getting hit early on, getting flushed out, he just a little flustered and just wanted to go for the safe throw. Okay. Just small stuff like that. Just small stuff like that. is a difference in the football game. Think about the receivers.

If they would shy away like that, so we got hit in the first and the second quarter, third quarter, come fourth quarter, we wouldn't go across the middle and catch the ball. Ain't nobody's going to say, oh, well, you know, he was a little flustered. He took a couple of shots early.

You notice how people like yourself and others make excuses for quarterbacks, they don't make for any other position. I'm not making no excuse. I'm not making a excuse. Can I ask you a question? Have you ever played the position of quarterback at any level.

Yes, I did. At any level? At what level was that? At what level was that? Did you have on pads in the helmet? Yes. Was your O-line good? They were the O-Line good.

They were okay, Ojo. Do you know what it's like to lose your confidence? As a quarterback, can teams be getting hit? I ain't never love no confidence. I'm that dude, I'm him. I'm Shannon Mof-O-Fo-Sharp. Mary Porter-Rays three the hard way.

I ain't never lost for confidence. I ain't shook and con. never be stirred. I don't know who you think you're talking to. You must have forgot. Okay. You forget. Oh, hold on, oh, Cho. I had my name up in the stadium almost two decades before you got yours up there. Did you forget who on the other end of this camera? Yeah, I know. I know. I know what I'm talking to. I know. I'm talking. But what I can't do, listen, ain't nobody had more confidence than me, you know, but I can empathize with those that are going through struggles, that are having problems that are playing a specific position in a specific place

that makes it hell for others. Who cares? But we haven't been able to be successful at that position as well. Let me continue to blame it on the same. We continue to blame it on the quarterback every time. We continue to blame on the quarterback every time. Every time.

Every time. Mark Sanchez. Sam Donald. Zach Wilson, Joe Flackle. When things aren't going well, it's always the goddamn quarterback's fault. Well, maybe it ain't the motherfuckering. Who gets on the guy. quarterback. Maybe it's not them.

Let me ask you question. Maybe it's not them. Let me ask you. When Tom Brady got on them, let me ask you, I just want to ask you this. You ask them to this. How many times they mention those game winning drive that Tom Brady had, how many times they mentioned the receiver that caught the ball? How many times they mentioned offensive lines? How many times they mentioned the coach or did they mention Tom Brady? Did it again. It's the Brady effect. I'm just asking. I'm just, I mean, just, just talk to me like. I know. I know. I'm just asking. You were me.

Tom Brady, he drives the needle. He makes the needle move. Okay, with Peyton Manning had all those comfort behind. Hey, he got a lot of them forth for the comebacks, too. I watched and I remember. They didn't mention nobody else. You right. That's why you make that, why you think Patrick,

why you think Patrick Mahon got $212 million guaranteed over the next four years? Yeah. You got it. Yeah, you understand. You understand the quarterbacks that you're naming. You're your name. No.

Those that are submitted with legacies are the best to play the position. But I'm saying those guys, Hold on, let me ask you question. It's hard finding people. It's hard finding those, man. Let me ask you a question. What year did you start playing football? In, how old were you?

In 77. Okay, 77. So, first of all, you weren't born here. But anyway, so you started playing football. Now, let me ask you this. 87, my bad. Okay, thank you. That sounds better to me.

Okay. They said, okay, offensive lineman right here. Defensive lineman right here. Running backs right here. Wire receivers over there. DVs over there. Quarterbacks, what line did they go get in? If you win got your ass in the quarterback line,

don't give me no excuses. Now, you chose to play that position. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. And you know what you got to do? You know what you got? I never played quarterback at the highest level. I played quarterback in high school and I was okay. I was okay.

I was good. No, you wasn't okay. I could tell you, I can tell you ain't have no arm. Who ain't had an arm? Man, I threw for 7,200 yards one season. I threw for 7,200 yards, man. Hey, no, don't play with you, man. Don't do that.

I don't do that. Hey, man, I was like that at quarterback, man. I'm just telling you. I would like that at quarterback. I was him. Do your homework, man. You have to take a number shotguns now. Do your homework, man.

Do your homework. I went to shotgun and I was under the center. I was under the center. I was under the center. I was too short. I won number two short. I want number two. Miami Beach in your hat. Hot tag. Real deal.

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Everybody know Joe Willie Namath. He guaranteed a victory, did that. He says, I wouldn't keep him. I've seen enough of Zach Wilson. Says, this is the lowest point as a fan of the team. He says he's the lowest. He said he's lowered and whale poop. And that's at the bottom of the seat.

That's how low Joe named Mercedes-y. See, I don't like that. I don't like that. What you don't like about it. I don't like that. Why, why as a player, I'm sure Joe's has some bad years, too? At some time, at some point when Joe is playing, he's had some bad years. He's had some bad games.

Yes. Multiple of them. I'm sure he has. Yes. Let me tell you something. A lot of people tell me on Twitter. but, Chad, at some point, you're going to have to set into reality

and critique these players when shit is not going well. Man, fuck that shit. Excuse me for a minute, Shannon. I ain't mean the curse on your show. I know what it's like to have a bad game. It's your show, too. I know what it's like to drop a ball.

I know that feeling. I know that feeling that not be playing at home and drop an important third down that could have kept a goddamn drive going and having the stands of opposing fans fucking booing you. I've been in the New York Stadium.

I've been in New York before. I know what it's like to play in that New York Stadium and be amongst the people in that city. They don't play that shit. They are cutthroat. Much like the Eagles fans, you have to come out there and you have to perform. In order to do that,

you have to be very, very confident in what you do and in yourself and in your skills. It takes a specific type of player to play in that environment in New York. And to me, I think what they have done to my fucking homie, Zach Wilson, they have drained him of the last bit of confidence he has, and that is the goddamn problem. The media, oh, the New York media don't care nothing about you.

They don't care nothing about you. You got to be built different to play there, man. You just got to. Now you got a legend and Joe Namath coming. If anything, you're supposed to be one of the first ones to come behind him and say, listen, Zach, I believe in you. I know things ain't going the way you want to, but here we go. Here we go.

He must have forgot what it's like to being in a position like Zach is, because now you're on your high horse as a legend. Oh, Cho. I'm just saying, come on, man. Oh, Cho. I can't, I can't bring myself, I can't bring myself to do no bullshit like that. What? That's bullshit.

Because he said he's low. No disrespect to Joe Nameth and what he's accomplished in this NFL, because he's a motherfucking legend. but that's some fucking bullshit to come out and say something like that. How do you think that's going to affect Zach? And he already got to deal with the New York media. He already got to deal with the pundance,

scrutinize, and his every move. Everything. I'm just saying, I thought that that shit irks me, man. That shit irks me. That's just my opinion. If you got something bad to say, Joe, keep it to yourself.

You ain't got to make that shit public. You don't have to do that. The man, the team is going through enough. Zach is going through enough hearing it from everybody. And if anything, as a former player of that team, a legend of that team, probably hearing something positive from Joe Namath would have been to pick me up somebody like Zach might have needed.

But here he go. It's always the old folks, too. Always the old folks. No disrespect to Joe. Because you asked my opinion, I'm just giving it to you. So clearly right now your team, Zach Wilson, you think the media, you think former players are being, you think analysts, pundits are being too harsh, too critical of Zach Wilson.

As a quarterback is you'll make it a break it year. I understand that. It is degrading scale. It is the gauge in how they scale, whether you have arrived or if you haven't. Basically, it hasn't gone the way Zach Wilson wants. It hasn't gone the way everyone else thinks it should. should have gone to this point based on the sample size that we have seen. Right.

Me, being one that is a continued supporter, it ain't just Zach Wilson. I support every goddamn body. When Baker-Macon, Baker-Mafield wasn't playing well, I was supporting him. Any other quarterback wasn't, when James Winston wasn't playing well, I was supporting him. When two wasn't playing well and everybody's talking train, I support. I've always been on the bandwagon on the positive side of thing, just trying to find something good. I think when you offer a critique to some, if you,

offer critique someone, I think what you're doing, you're misconstruing. I can still support you and say, oh, show, you was wrong in that situation. You see, if you do something wrong, if I don't tell you you done wrong, how much am I actually supporting you by not telling you that you're wrong? Well, actually, you're not telling me, you're not telling him he wrong, because if you want to tell them, you would have to actually go to that individual and tell them that they're wrong. but when you do it in this space

and on this type of platform, I'm not just staying here, I'm not just saying here or on TV or that matter. They don't take that, they don't take it that way. They don't take it that way. They're not able to separate the two.

They're not able to separate the two. They take that personal. How is that my fault? Because I've got, hold of, okay, Zach Wilson has a job to do. Shannon Sharp has a job to do. Zach Wilson is not. doing his job. Shannon Sharp is saying

Zach Wilson isn't doing his job. And in saying Zach isn't doing his job, Shetting is all doing his job. So how am I wrong? There's a way to say he's not getting the job done. And your delivery, your delivery can be very difficult. It can be very hard. Do you want the mail? Yes or no? You want your mail by noon or do you want me to bring your mail at 8 o'clock at night?

Yeah, but when you bring the mail, your shit be Amazon Prime. Yeah, that's right. Amazon Prime. And it just be a little too much. And I'll pay for shipping and handling because I'm going to make sure you get it. Yeah. Listen, I have, I apologize.

And I apologize to people that are watching the show. I have to find a way to navigate around that and be able to critique players and do it in a positive way where it's received the right way, the right way. And it's just something I have to find the navigate because there are too many positives. And we just, we just hone in on what's negative. And it's always I or this individual, I, it's a team game. It's a team game. And they're not playing well as a whole.

It was a team game. As opposed to just singling one motherfucker out. Let me ask you a question. When you was doing those celebrations, how many teammates you had with you? When you was doing the salsa or when you were playing golf? Talk to me. Let me tell you something. In order for me to even celebrate, it started from the old line.

Then it started the quarterback. Then it started with the running back. No, no. No, no, no, no, we're not talking about everybody doing the job. I'm asking you, how many teammates did you include in your celebrations? I wasn't allowed because it was against the rules. So I couldn't include me. You weren't allowed.

You can't include. There were no group celebrations back then when I was playing. You know that. Hey, go ahead and take it. Go and take one for the team. Y'all teammates, right? We together. We're a team, right?

Listen, no, listen, yeah, we're a team, but I'm the only one that was willing to lose money behind having fun. They wouldn't lose no money behind that. Ohcho. Listen to me. We've become a very sensitive society in that especially what happens and I'm just talking about when I could, especially African-American, when I can critique black players,

the first thing they try to use were you trying to tear a brother down. See? You see? They can't separate the two. And guess what? I'm still in front of them. I'm still in front of them. I'm still in front of the camera. I'm still in front of the mic. I'm not, see, I'm not attacking you person. I don't know what you do in your home. I'm not talking about what you

did. I'm talking about your play on the field. I think I would like to think because I played the game at a high enough level and I think because I watched him, I've watched film, I'm able to critique you fairly. If you play well, I'm going

to say that. If you play bad, I'm going to say that. Why won't you ever say, why don't, let me ask you a question. Why players don't ever say, man, man, I wish Unk would start praising me. Man, I had this 150 yard two touchdown game and Unk, man. I don't want that kind of praise. I don't want that kind of adoration. It's only when they play bad and I point that out, am I trying to tell the brother down?

You didn't say nothing when I built you up. Listen, who is a harsher critique than the individual themselves? If you play the game of football and you have a bad game Who is your worst critic Yourself So I don't I mean as a player

We don't I don't need to be piggybacking You're already feeling bad already But now you got to listen to these motherfuckers Talking shit about you too Let me ask you question I understand how they feel They take it personally I don't know I have that game

It stings The greater the greater the player That she heard The greater the player That offers the critique of you the board stings. You see, if Denzel says, I like your movie and you're an actress

or you're an actor, that means something. That's Denzel. Yeah. If Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan says, I like him, that means something. Yes, sir. Shannon Sharp has a gold jacket. Shannon Sharp says he didn't play well.

Right. Damn. Right. So how do you sell, how do you sell that? to the fans. Because I give credit what credits do. If a guy plays well, I'm going to say it.

If a guy plays bad, I'm going to say it. If I'm wrong, if I said, you know what? I'll come out and say, you know what? I was wrong about him. I missed him. I missed the ball. I didn't see this coming. And that's okay.

Nobody is perfect. Nobody's going to get every player that they said was going to be good, turns out to be great. Every player that they say turns out was going to be bad. That's not the case. But we've got to. stop this notion that somebody is hating on you because they said you didn't play well you're saying we need to stop this notion but it hasn't stopped and it never will stop because players feel a certain way about analyst impundance what and guess what and they got and more and more shows like you and i was are popping up so guess what else they're going to stop people offer critiques of said players right right right and you you know you know the funny thing about it most of the shows continue to all the shows and pop up as much as they want,

but very few have the accolades and the resume to be doing the talking. Right. But you remember. And I'm one of the few that have the resume and the accolades to do the talking, but I know what it feel like. I know what it feels like to have a bad game. Yeah. To me, it's hard to do it.

But you know what I'm going to try to do? How about I do this? How about before I start, when somebody had the bad game, how about I just make a disclaimer? No. How about I make a disclaimer about this individual? Listen, I see you and hold you to a different standard because you got bored. You him. Yes.

And you know how I feel about you. You know I love you because I've been talking about you great for 10 plus years. But see, they forget all about that. They forget all about that. They forget every great thing that I said and just remember the one. But how about I just do that? I'll do that. I'll do that.

I'll do that. Have a disclaimer on all the positive I said. So this one little negative. This is what you could do better based on. what I saw because I hold you to a different standard and this is what I expect from you. Can I do that? Can I do that? Oh, Joe.

Everybody knows how I feel about LeBron. You've heard me go on TV and say LeBron didn't play well. I need LeBron to play better. LeBron is going to respect that because he knows that I'm, I don't got no no asterisk around with nobody. LeBron is built different.

He's different. LeBron can handle that. He's been dealing with that since high school. He's been dealing with the naysayers, the positive, the negative. He's able to navigate through that and understand it's not personal. Let me ask you a question. What professional athlete? LeBron is built differently here.

What professional athlete has gotten 1,000% support all the way through? Everybody's been doubted. Everybody's been saying he ain't going to make it. He can't. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, they've been there's different levels. to that now. Let's don't go there. It's levels.

LeBron's level and pressure of doubt from high schools being chosen and being the next great one and actually living up to it, man, that is incomparable. I think he's exceivable. But here's the thing. But here's the thing. But here's the thing.

There have been a lot of, there have been a, not to the level of LeBron, but there have been a lot of guys that was supposed to be that guy and didn't do it. it's hard to live up to that. It's very difficult to live up to that. You know how hard, for one, longevity.

Longivity. Yeah, 21 seasons, yeah. Discipline. Consistency. Yes. And staying focused and locked in. You know how difficult, and it is to have that combination

for a long extended period of time and sustain that. And a lot of people. And a lot of people, it drives. See, I'm, I'm old enough to remember before Jordan start winning championships what they said about him that he couldn't win, that he was a selfish player,

and he was taking ill-advised shots, and it was all about him. See, once he started winning, everybody forgot the seven, eight years that they said all those things about it. But he cataloged it, kept it in the back of his mind, and used that as fuel.

Same thing with Kobe, Tiger Woods, all these, I don't care what level you played at. They're built different. Oh, yeah. I'm saying those guys, but everybody has had doubt,

has been doubted at some point in their life. So we can talk about the world's richest man, or we can talk about somebody that's working an hourly job. They've been doubted. Right. Now, what are you going to do? Are you going to, oh, man, they doubted me, let me go ahead and prove them right.

I ain't going to mount the issue. No. I'm not, see, I've never tried to prove anybody wrong. I've just tried to prove me right. And in the process of doing that, you'll be wrong.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But you got it, but Ocho, like you said, you got the credentials. You played at a high level. It wasn't like you was some bum

that you were just collecting a check. You was just a body. No, I was that boy. Now, don't do that. Okay. Don't do that.

Listen, I told you what I was going to do on Wednesday throughout the media. I sent the DBEs and I sent him a gift and went out there and did it. Every week for a decade straight. I had some fun. But again, I've also

had... So you're trying to tear a brother down. See what you did? You try to bring them down doing that. But I also know what it's like to have a bad game. I know what that feel like. And I feel bad. I feel very bad because I was my harshest critic. Ocho! You make it seem like Zach Wilson has had one bad game.

He's had three bad years. We ain't talking about no one game. Okay, he had three bad years. I remember I had a relationship. I had a relationship. I was in for three years, and she left me. She left me. She left me.

And listen, I did all I can. I went to practice. I did film study. You know, Zach Wilson doing all that. He's studying. He's working hard doing everything he can. Why she leave you? Why she leave you?

Huh? Why she leave you? Huh? Why she leave you? Oh, for some other dude, some, some some some some some some i don't know i don't see i don't know she didn't want oh hold oh so you be to tell me somebody they want ohcho oh no i i won't ohcho yeah this you know i was chad joseph she ain't wore chad jolson yeah i were young i i hadn't even made it yet

i hadn't even made it yet yeah so where she she let's some some street dude some street dude you know you like have you bumped into her have you ever bumping into her since yeah i bumped into it about two years ago and what she says she she had Hey, Chad, how you doing? I couldn't, I couldn't even hear. Whoa, wow, come on, Chad. Don't do that. Don't do that, oh, Joe.

Listen to me, listen to me. I couldn't, you left me because you went to somebody that had more money at the time when I hadn't made it. You didn't want, you didn't, you didn't, I was on my journey, on my way. And I just had what you was looking for at that time. But you left me for something temporary. Now he's doing 24 years in the pen. He's doing 24 years.

Now, I would go out of way. Listen to me. What? I can't, I can't even hear you based on what I got on my hip now. I can't even see you. No. You're supposed to go out of your way to make sure she see you. Hey, girl, how you doing?

Why you, I ain't seen you in a while. How are you doing? How are you mama? You know, I'm asking them back, they need to know. Listen, she know. I hit it with, I hit it with that Ray Charles. I can, I can't even see. you.

No. Not a thing. I'm like, but see, that's the thing. You got to let them know. See, that's why I was,

I used to block people. I used to block people on social media, do all that. I stop. You need to see me happen. You need to see me having all this. What God intended for me. What you tried,

what you tried to block, I didn't let you see God still open them to win them, the Lord of them blessings. Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah.

And listen, and for you, if you want them blessings to keep coming and you want that cup to keep running that over, all you need is a little guidance. And you know the kind of guidance you need? You know what kind of guidance I need? What kind of guidance? Huh? A woman's guidance.

Oh, there you go. A woman, listen to me. A woman, a woman is your, will be your GPS, get you wherever you need to go from point A to point B. You know what else? If you had your woman, you know, if you had a woman in your life, you know what else you wouldn't be doing? What? You wouldn't be flying private?

Why wouldn't? She's going to be flying right with me? No, so. She ain't going to let you spend that kind of money. She ain't going to let you spend that kind of money. No, she ain't, because if she let you spend that kind of money, she would you for the wrong reasons. No. No.

Oh, my grandpa used to say, boy, be as cheap as you want to, but don't be cheap to yourself. Now, how does you tell me the sense that it makes. I work the hardest and spend the least amount of my money. money. Now you tell me what sense that made. Gotta say that for a rainy day, baby. Got to save it for a rainy day. Hey. Save it for a rainy day. After, after, come on, bro.

I ain't promised tomorrow. And many of them are going to come. I ain't promised tomorrow. When did God promise you tomorrow? Oh, he promised you tomorrow either. Okay, then. So, so you want me to say for a rainy day that I'm not promised to see? Hmm. I like that.

I like that. I don't even have no come back for you today. I only have, because right now, I'm in heaven. I'm in heaven. I'm cemented. Yeah, I'm in heaven right now. I'm feeling good. I'm just, I've been smoking my cigar, just, you know, drink, drink a yak.

I'm just. Man. Ah. So you, so you, so you start. So in other words, you throw your unbridled support. I mean, you just all in on the Zach Wilson train. Listen, I'm, I'm, I'm all in on. You know, you don't follow me on social media,

but for those that have followed me throughout the years, they know I always find a positive about any and everybody, especially when they're playing bad. It's just the way I've always been, even when I was playing. This is. I know it is. You plan for a league.

You plan for mortgages. You're playing for college tuition. You're paying for jobs. Yes. I know, I know, I know. So what job? What job going to let you stay on it? You're not doing this.

You're not fulfilling the job that's required of you, but they say, you know what, we're going to stay positive. We're going to remain positive. Where do they do that at? Why I got to jump on the bank when everybody else jumping on your head? There ain't no bandwagon. It ain't no bandwagon.

I'm not just saying, why do I have to do what everybody else is doing and jump on you when you're not playing well? Why I can't be the point to come out with a positive? So what you're supposed to do? Tell me what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to offer a critique of what transpired during the course.

of the game based on your years of experience and your expertise. So you deny and your gift. God gave you a gift to play the game and to get gameful employment. Do you know how many guys that play the professional sport that would love to be in your shoes, that would love to offer critique that didn't get that luxury? So you don't, in other words, you denying God's gift. God gave you a gift. Yeah.

He gave me a gift. And God gave me a gift and I understand the purpose of that gift. The purpose of that gift was to uplift, to uplift, to reach out, to lend the hand. See what you did? You see? Because you figured that if you offer a critique to someone,

you beat them down, that's it right there. Not really, because I already told you what I'm going to work on is I'm going to have my disclaimer already ready that I always say before I give my critique. Because here's the thing. Because now because... You can't tell me I can't say. say, oh, you can't do that. You can say whatever. But here's the thing. The person at home will say

Ocho is not being truthful because I am being truthful. All I'm saying is the disclaimer is so and so. I see you and hold you to a certain standard and this is what I expect. But that's not the standard I got in today's game. You don't have to do all that. Why are you doing all that? I want to because I can. Because I don't want I don't want to be taking the wrong way. understand. I understand. Oh, you scared. Care of what?

I'm asking what, what you're scared of? What is scared to do? What is scared to speak your truth? To speak your truth. Them guys don't got you scared because you're going to bump into them and they're going to say, oh, Joe, why you criticize me? Then I just had to beat their ass. What do you talk about?

I criticized Aaron Donald. If Aaron Donald walk over me, you know what I'm going to do? I'm a wolf Aaron Donald last. Run. Run. Run. Run. Right.

Yeah. scared of who man ain't scared nobody Aaron I love you baby I know you don't know you No no no no You ain't gonna criticize I mean look

Yeah but here's the thing Oh yeah I just I don't see I'm not I'm not you comfortable with that You comfortable with that I'm not I'm just just the way I'm built Just the way I'm just I'm just I just I can't explain it

So in other words I'm gonna do it I'm gonna be mean to somebody And just say fuck it No you ain't got to be mean. It's not about being mean. The people at home see, the people at home see guys are not playing well.

What makes them upset is that when somebody's not playing well and people try to pretend and announcers try to pretend like they are or try to say, well, that was his fault. Whoa. No, it wasn't. I didn't say anybody was playing well. I didn't say anybody was.

I just try to navigate and find ways around it to find the positive. and what they are doing. That's all. Look, if you play a professional sport, nobody cares if you give to the homeless. That's not what we're talking about at this moment. We can get into your philanthropic work.

We can get into all that other stuff. You can be a benefactor or magnanimous as you choose to be. But when you play professional sports, our job is to critique and analyze said person in said sport. That's it. Okay, how about this? How about this? From now on, I'm going critique and analyze.

That's it. That's what you're supposed to do. I'm a critiquing analyze. And I'm, I'm going to be on a motherfucker ass now. Okay. Pause. I, okay. Yeah, Paul.

Oh, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Let me hit this. Let me hit this. Pause button right quick. Here, every with that one. Okay, continue. Oh.

Yeah. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I got you. I got you. Oh, Joe. Congratulations. I know this night was very, very special for you and your family and friends.

To go into a team's ring of honor, it goes to show you. That doesn't go unbeknownst because a lot of people said, you know what? We think his play on the field and his behavior off the field is worthy of him representing the Cincinnati Bengals for perpetuity. I like that. I like that. I like that. You know what? I'm gonna get one of gold ones too. Yeah, yeah.

I'm gonna get one. I'm gonna get one. And if I don't get one, I'm gonna go to. Would you go, you go to work for century 21? No, no, no,

no, no, I'm gonna go make me a gold one. I'm gonna make me one. I'm gonna make my own. I'm gonna make my own bus too. I'm gonna make my own bus. Because I know where they get, I know where they,

I know what they get them done at. Huh? And I'm, it's gonna be one or one. It's gonna be one of one. You hear me? It's gonna be one and one. What you'll get a one-to-one?

Yeah, well, yeah, one-on-one. One-on-one. Make my own, make my own, Paula Fane Jack. Hey, Ocho. Hey. She backed your sleep, man. Who is that?

You say you wanted a bus. That's you? You say you wanted the bus. You see the part, right? I know, but who is that? You see that part. You see that part. Okay.

I like that. I like that. I'm going to get me one. I'm going to get me a bus made. And mine, mine gonna be 14 carry gold, one-on-one. Oh, you gonna, oh, you gonna spend that kind of money? Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah. Because they, they, they, they, they're gonna spend it on me.

I got, I got, I got, I got it, I got to do for me. Ain't that what you told me? Ain't what you just told me? I did. I did. I did. Yeah, listen, I'm gonna make my own haul-a-haven jacket. Make my own jacket.

Yeah. With some, what's some, um, yeah, I'm gonna put the 14-carid gold glitter on my jacket. If I, you know what you know now and I can transport you back to your rookie season. Yes, sir. What type of numbers do you believe Ocho could put up? To my rookie seat in today's game?

I'm going to, you know what you know now. Right. But I'm going to transfer you back to your rookie season with the knowledge that you have now. Of the game, right. Yes. I think consistently, probably 1,400 consistently, consistently.

You say 1,600 consistently? 4,400 consistently. 14, 14, 14. Yeah, yeah. I mean, especially during that time and that era, dealing with that Ravens defense and dealing with that Pittsburgh defense, you know, the numbers get a little low when you play against them.

But as far as everyone else, yeah, I'm just being honest. They're, they're just being honest. But outside of the division, it's, oh, I'm going crazy. But, you know, those divisional games are always close and they really minimize my production very, very well. Right. Yeah. We're especially what I know now.

I wish. I wish it was reversed. Well, congratulations, Ocho on your night for you and your family and loved ones. I'm your favorite, Uncle Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. And thank you for tuning in to Nightcap with Unc and Ocho. See you. I love y'all.

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