The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - Seahawks-Eagles, Micah on Cowboys haters, the Anthony Edwards situation

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks upsetting Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles, Micah Parsons calls out Cowboys haters, Damontae Kazee suspended for rest of 2023 NFL season after illegal hit on Michael Pittman Jr., and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:50 - Seahawks beat Eagles29:30 - Micah Parsons calls out Cowboys haters42:00 - Cowboys Super Bowl drought01:05:00 - Tommy DeVito upped his appearance fee01:10:15 - Anthony Edwards situation1:29:30 - Unc & Ocho's Family Feud teams1:45:00 - Much More Nightcap! #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us again to another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite sports thunk, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85. The best route runner in Cincinnati bingo history. We'll leave it at that. Ring of Famer. NFL history. Let's get it together.

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you love. Let's jump right into it, Ocho. We got a lot to cover the night. The Seahawks beat the Eagles 20 to 17. The Seahawks were 412 on third downs entering the final drive. They trailed all game, but with two fill-in starters, they came in when they needed to. Two interceptions by Julian Love, a 92-yard game-winning drive by back-up Ju-J-Lock, capped off by J-S-N, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. And Jigba. Yeah, jibba. His second game with the touchdowns scored the season. Jalen Hurst was 17 to 31, 143, no touchdowns during the session.

O'Sha, let me start this off. Yes, sir. In a situation like this, you know the number one thing we say, nothing cheap, nothing deep. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. Bradbury, you got one responsibility. God dang it, you had just got beat up the rail by D.K. So you didn't learn your lesson on that one. I'm going to press again.

I'm going to do it again. I'm going to show you. And now you give up a game winning touchdown. Yeah. They need the only way you lose that game, Mocho, a touchdown. A field goal doesn't know good. Why are you up there trying to press? But I think, I think, I think, okay, before you finish, I'm going to let you finish.

Go ahead. In Bradbury's case, I think Bradbury is a little bit more comfortable in situational football like that, or maybe just in general, being up and pressing and being able to get hands on a receiver and trying to find leverage that way. Okay, it just so happened in this instant, it didn't work out in his favor. But go ahead and finish your point.

Ocho, do you realize that you have a lead? The only way you lose that game if you get them up a touchdown. You got a touchdown, you're right. You can't say because I'm more comfortable what is in the best interests of the team. At that point in time, you throw what is most comfortable for you. the window. Second of all, why are you being single high? I'm glad.

Right. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that because obviously the defensive coordinator made a certain call. The defensive coordinator made a call based on the situation and what he felt the players he had out there were most comfortable in. And that would be single high and bad break. Excuse me. Let me slow down because I'm talking too damn fast.

And Bradbury playing bump and run, which is why they went single high because he trusted them because if he felt there was a weakness, if he felt there was a weakness, if he felt the weakness in that certain coverage, then he wouldn't have a minute. You got beat at the most unopportune time. Yes. Yeah, man. And the thing is, is that slaves on the other side,

they're picking on you. What does that tell you if a team was willing to go at supposedly your best corner? Now, your other corner, your all other pro bowl, all pro corner, he's out. And they say, you know what? We don't care. We don't want the guy on the other side that's filling in.

We don't want the backup. Right. What does that say about you, Ocho? Let that thing out. I want people at home that's hearing me. I'm going to do like you, Ocho. I'm going to slow down. Yeah.

They didn't pick on the guy that replaced Darius Slate. Yes, sir. They went and picked on the guy that supposedly is their best corner. You have one job, nothing cheap, nothing deep. Indeed, yes, sir. You gave up, D. D.K. up the rail. Okay, you gave that up.

You said, well, damn, maybe I should back off on this situation. That was a good catch now. That was a hell of a catch. That was a hell of a catch. That was a hell of a catch. Yeah. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. So in other words, nothing should be behind you, right?

Yeah. Yeah, especially in that situation. Thank you. Oh, Joe, this is not the first quarter. There's less than a minute in the ball game. The only way you lose this game is if you give up a touchdown. Right. It does them no good to try and get in field goal range.

They need seven in order to beat you. And you give that up. So do you put the onus of this loss on the defensive coordinator? Or you just, or just strictly bad, bear, because obviously there's a play call that comes in. The linebacker sets the call, makes the call for the defense, and they just line up and execute what is called from the defensive coordinator sitting up in the sky. So who you put it on? Do you remember I've been telling you, I say, Elcho, that secondary can be had. How many, how long have I been telling you that secondary can be had?

How many times have I told you, I watched Sam High for 394 and 4 touchdowns. I watch Dak Prescott like the ass up. I watch Brock Purdy like their ass up. Everybody has lit them up. So what is it, what does the defensive coordinator know that I don't? Right. He's right there. He's taking it up on tape.

They're terrible on the back end. Yeah. And now you're one of your best guys. He's out. And you still want to, even when you're at full strength, your secondary is getting toasted. And so you mean to tell me with a couple of guys out, You're willing to play that same coverage? Look, I don't know, but when I watch Bradbury,

I've never been impressed with his cover skills. I don't look at him as a time. I don't look at him as a ram. Jalen Ramsey. I don't look at him as those guys. I think he opens the gate too much. I don't think he's nearly physical enough. He's up and press coverage,

but he ain't putting hands on people. I mean, in this situation, you cannot give that up. Right, right. But I mean, and another thing. I don't want to make no excuses for him. I don't want to make the excuses for him. Well, don't. Because we saw, we saw what happened.

Again, playing defense, playing corner, which I think, and I've said it multiple times, I think playing defensive back is the most difficult position on the field outside of playing the quarterback position. And in an unfortunate opportune time, you give up a TD when it mattered most to get a goddamn stop. with a minute left to go on the goddamn clock. If anything, listen, if anything, if I was Bradbury and I was a little uncomfortable and it was a little unsettling for me to be in bump and run in that setting,

you know what? I would have walked my ass right on off and play that seven, read my keys, read the three-step, and then get my eyes back on the receiver. And then if he's going deep, then you're already in position to make a play on the ball. Right, right.

But then you got to worry about getting chewed out for not following instructions of the goddamn Deves on the coordinator and the play that he, the defense of play that he did call. And then they put the other guy on him. They said, nah, D.K. gone on over there. You don't have your fool of him. Hey, hey, J.S.N. You take it.

I mean, I don't say it. Don't say it like that. I'm just being honest. I mean, for, for, I mean, and I've been in a situation where I've had coaches to tell us you make sure the starter doesn't get hurt because his backup is better than he is. So what we would do, that's going to get around the pile, or Joe, we're pulling my arm.

I don't want you to get rolled up because the guy that's backing you up. He's going to tear my ass up when he comes here. So I'm going to make sure, I'll make sure I'm going to get you for four quarters. I ain't dealing with that, that's on the sideline. Right, right. And so for them to bring to, for D.K. D. D.K. beating him, that's no problem. D.K. is a pro bowl wide receiver.

Yeah. He's a veteran wide receiver, a big body guy. And here, why the hell you try to press D. D. You know he wants to play. through contact anyway. Yeah, you're right. You're right. But another thing, again, in the case of Bradbury, bigger receivers struggle when you can

attack them at the line first, you get a little bit of an advantage. If they can't get off. If they can't get their hands off you, then you can win. You can win that battle. A bigger target. Throw them down a little bit and maybe get a little advantage. It didn't work. In that case, on the slant, it didn't work with the PI.

It didn't work. And it didn't work on the deep ball. Ocho, that's good if you technically sound like a long-armed Rebus. Yes. Revis was technically sound. Revis was never going for the first move. Oh, no. He wasn't biting on all that you dancing, Reba said you ain't left the line screaming.

And this is the thing about Revis. That 2009 season was so special, and I don't think people understand how special it was. I always talk about that's one of the first things I talk about when I talk about Reas. Listen, you know, Sally Mae, you know how many people, oh, Sally Mae. You know how patient Sally Mae has to be? Because she ain't never getting the motherfucking loans back. She ain't anybody paying them shit. That's the kind of patience Revis had.

Yeah. That's the part of it. There's only one player I've ever seen. In the history of Revis career that I've ever seen actually get him, and that was the great Stevie Johnson. Well, you got to be quick, fast which. A big receiver, he'll eat him up. Oh, every time.

Every time. This man was so motherfucking strong. Oh, shit, I curse my bad. God forgive me. He was so strong and he had an arm bar. He had an arm bar. His ball skills was elite. Yeah.

Everything about him was elite. It was great. So think of the chance of us seeing anything like that again, it's going to be a long time coming. It's going to be a very long time coming. He was great at riding you to the sideline. He's going to bar you. And then all of a sudden he going to look out.

But he's going to be riding. He's going to be riding you to the sideline. The next thing you know, you have a bow. He going to play that ball now. He had elite. ball skills. He was elite in bump and run. It just, just, just everything pure quality.

That 2009 season was special. That would never ever be replicated or duplicated. And let's go to the other side. Jalen Hertz. I'm a firm believer. Now, I've been telling y'all, they turn in the ball. Shannon, are they winning? You are a hater. I say, remember, Ocho, what's my favorite saying? You never accept anything

in a win, you wouldn't have a loss. If you didn't have problems when they were winning, you shouldn't have problems with the turnovers right now. But you do. And when I was trying to explain to you, there are things that I see in Jalen Hurts. He's turning the ball over more than we've ever seen. Well, we're winning. We're this and that.

You didn't want to hear what I got to say. But guess what? I bet I got your undivided attention now, don't know. I got your Philly fans. I got your full and undivided attention. I bet I do not, don't know. Oh, what you know, loud mouth, what you know? I know more to your fans.

I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything, though. and I know there are certain things and what I try to do is that I point things out. So when it happens, you're not surprised. You're not surprised by it. Jalen Hurst was turning the ball. Now, I'm not saying that he's not injured,

but he doesn't look the same to me and he had looked the same since he injured that leg. But the ball, he's turning it over, interceptions. He's fumbling the football. That's increased. Now, when that increases, your probability of winning decreases. Now on the other side, your defense isn't what they were last year. They're not attacking the quarterback like they once did.

They're not turning teams over like they could last year. Now all of a sudden, when the turnover was down, you guys was taking the ball away and sacking the quarterback, that's what you got. You got a team that looked, was very impressive from start to finish, got all the way to the Super Bowl, it was in a couple of minutes of winning the Super Bowl. Now, basically the same team,

you can say, oh, we got this guy. No, no, it's not. It's not. Your turnovers aren't the same. And each year, that's why you have so, that's why it's so hard to repeat. That's why they've been so few repeat Super Bowl winners. And even teams that lose the Super Bowl to get back. That's why it's so impressive what Buffalo did.

Buffalo got back four times, four consecutive time. Three, three or four? It was four, four. Yeah, it was four. Yes. 91, 90, 91, 92, 93. and lost all four. And lost all four.

You will never see that again. Yeah, most definitely. But, you know, Jalen, Jalen was 17 for 31, 143, obviously do turnovers. And with the back end of the defense playing as bad as it is and not being able to take away the ball as much as they should. You can't turn it over. Listen, that too, and the offense is not clicking on all cylinders like they should. Listen, the Philly we used to seeing, scoring 21, 28, sometimes 30, but they're not putting up the points like that. And when the Devens ain't taking the ball away from you,

those positions that you do have are offense matter that much more. You got to maximize them. You've got to maximize them. So if your defense isn't taken away, what can't you do on offense? You can't give it away. No, you can't. And so that's the problem to have.

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Their remaining schedule is the Giants, the Giants, the Cardinals. They got the Giants. They got the Giants twice? Or they got the Giants, Commanders. I think they got the Giants Cardinals commanders. Oh, yeah, Giants, Cardinals, commanders. Is that right?

Or is it the commanders? I thought they played the commanders. They didn't play the commanders twice already? Or am I tripping? I don't know. Either way. Giants, Giants. Giants Cardinals, Giants.

They got the Giants twice. Giants, Cardinals, Giants. Well, there you go. You definitely, you definitely can go into the playoffs with some momentum and being able to fix those issues with the three teams you got to play next. Well, two. Two teams.

But let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. What you think those teams playing the Eagles thinking? Hey, we can get us a win to close out the season. We might not be going nowhere. But misery loves Trumping it. All I know is that when I was going to make the playoffs on Joe, I'm trying to knock your ass out.

Knock your ass out. Yeah. Exactly. Right, right. But I'm going to be done on Monday. Guess what? Guess who else going to get a healthy trash bag? You?

Because you're going to be cleaning out your S-H-I-T-2. Yeah. Hey, I ain't going to be the only one going home. Listen, they're not going to fall that bad then. They're not going to fall that bad. Right now, they fall to the fifth seed right now. And then they will be in the playoffs. They're not going to fall that bad.

But again, mistakes that need to be corrected, these next two games, I'm going to just say two because they play the Giants twice. You're playing teams for those mistakes can be corrected, and you're going to have to. And that back end, they got to be able to do something. And it all stars with that front end. That front end got to pick up the slack. The front end got to pick up a slack that make it easier for the back end.

Yeah. Because if the front end don't get there, the back end going to keep getting exposed. Right. Every time. Bro, you do realize they got beat by Drew Locke. You don't like Jewlock? Well, Drew Locke was in the day of slang in that thing, man.

I know. I know what she's going to say. All right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll talk about from Philly standpoint. I mean, he made some throw, on that last drive, he was sensational.

Yeah? On the last drive, he got a big arm. Did you see the ball placement? on that throw to the JSN. Yes. And it won the D.K. Yeah. He had to get that up and down

before the safety got on. It wasn't nobody going to catch that ball except the football, the person it was thrown to or Moses? That's it. D.K. had an unbelievable game. Sir Big Snow said, Ocho, Debo said Bradbury with trash.

He did. Oh, that's right. That was them going at it on. Yeah, but you know, Ocho. Like when one player said that, I try to take that with a grain of salt. Right, right, right. A lot of his game, misship, and sometimes,

but sometimes a player will tell you how he really feels about a player. Yeah. I don't think they like each other. That's very seldom. That's very seldom that happens. But you know, Ocho, I don't let that, I don't let what one player says about another player. I don't let that sway me on what I think about that player. Right, right.

I'm going to watch him and I'm going to critique based on what I see in my intimate knowledge of the game. Now, if somebody says he's trash, I mean, I don't really like to say that, but I'm like, you know, I'm saying to myself, yeah, he ain't very good. He might not be trash, but he pretty close. He's recyclable. He's trashed. He recyclable. Clifton Gordon said, Aunt Bradbear is definitely overrated. Can't stand him anymore. However much blame should go to the O.C. Brian Johnson with the horrible play call with the first seven minutes of the fourth quarter. And plus, I don't know why Russ had to take that chance. Oh, that first interception. He didn't need to take that chance. That guy was covered. Yeah.

That's not A.J. Brown. You don't give your third. I understand that there was a situation. I think they played somebody. Who was that? They played somebody and the third receiver made a play for. Yeah, but more play. Yeah.

You know Zakias. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Zakeas made a play for him. But more times than not, you give your number one receiver, AJ, that opportunity. Or maybe a Devante Smith. But the third and fourth receiver, you're going to give them that opportunity? Nah, I don't know. Look, I trust them, but there's a reason why they traded what they traded and they paid AJ Brown.

There's a reason why you drafted Devonte within the top 10 of the draft. there's a reason why. I just don't understand why he took that chance. And plus that last throw, did they have any timeouts? Because they got a kicker that we remember, Ocho? They had two left, if I'm mistaken. The deep ball, the deep ball, the interception by love. Why would he do that?

Because he got a kicker that can kick it 60 yards. I don't know. I was thinking about that because they had timeouts left, maybe a dig, some short, the middle of the field. The middle of the field. You don't have to work. by the sidelines, you can throw the ball to the middle of the field because you have timeout.

Time out. You had two at that. I mean, it's only 13 seconds. You had one play and a timeout. That's it. Yes. All I need, all you need, probably, you probably need is about 10, 15 yards. Okay, I get up there, call my timeout. I got one, two seconds. Let me see if my field goal can get my field goal kicker can get me in the overtime. We watched them kick a 60, 61 yard or 59 yard just a week ago. Yeah, he got a big leg. You got a big leg. Yeah, so T.J. Ellsworth asked, Uncle Shay, do you believe on both Hertz interception, there was PI, and if so does that stand as an interception when that's an obvious penalty? I don't. I don't think it was a PI.

I don't. I think both of them with poor decisions. I think the ball was thrown poorly. That's just me. I mean, maybe you saw PI, but I did know, Joe. Yeah, and I mean, that's tough. And with the way the rest are making the calls now, where they call in every goddamn thing,

they don't, they don't flag like yellow handkerchiefs right now. You know, they call everything. And that's what I don't like is the fact that the focal point is now on holding and roughing the passers. And in off sides. In off sides.

It's watering down the flow of the game. It's watering down the floor of the game. where they just call they just nitpicking. So if you want a nickpick, obviously, depending on if you run 100 plays, honestly, you can call it, you can call some type of penalty

on every single play. Every time. Every time. And I hope the game doesn't come to that where they nitpick on every single play and it just disrupts the flow of a game. But that's the route we're going. Friendly neighborhood kids said,

as a Hawks fan, we came out with the win. I think we still need to move on from Pete. What do you guys think? I don't think Pete's going anywhere. I think they hitched their wagging of Pete for the most part. You see all the Legion of Boone, with the exception they brought Bobby Wagner back. But with the exception of B. Wagg, the Legion of Boone is no more.

Russell is out of there. So now Seattle is basically known for Pete Carroll. And so I think the Allen, Paul Allen's sister who owns the, who owns it, and John Snobb. and those guys, I think, I think their piece, not, I don't believe Pete's going anywhere. That's just me personally. I mean, what, do you think, why, why, why, why, why would he leave? No. I think he said, he thinks they should move on from Pete.

And my question is, what do you think you're going to get better than Pete? That too. Yeah. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's the thing. I miss one. Jose Castro Rios. Did tonight show the weakness in the second day of the Eagles? What you mean tonight?

What hell you been for four months? I've been telling y'all this. But I don't think I know what I'm talking about. So you know what, Ocho? What used to irks me, especially when I was on CBS, is that people don't think, if you know they didn't play the quarterback position, they don't think you know anything about football. Only the quarterback studied film.

Only the quarterback practice. Only the quarterback knew all. What the hell you thought I was doing? thought I just went to get, you know, I went to get candy bars. I was just, I mean, what the hell you think I was doing there? I watched tape. I studied the game. I mean, people that played with me and my coaches, they would tell you that I'm a student

of the game. Yeah. I understand the game. Yeah, you had to be. I mean, I try to keep it as simple as I possibly can. I don't like to get into the intricacies of it, you know what I'm saying? A nine technique, a wide nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A shade. A seven, I, five, a three, a tilt. Now, you know what I'm saying? I'm saying, I'm getting all that. You know, you start talking about, okay, yeah, they didn't cover six, six kicks, cover four. Okay, there's seven, then cloud. Come on, man, y'all not going to understand that. Basically what you understand is cover two.

Right. Shale high, look at the two safety. Well, single high safety, safety in the middle of the field. All that, you know, rob or alert. Banjo, you know, I see a signal, okay, you know what that means? That's a banjo. That means we bracketing somebody. Oh, we're passing it off, one of the other.

Yeah. Yeah. That's it off. Hey, if he comes in there, you got it. If he comes back, I'm here. Yeah, yeah. Listen, that shit gets exotic now. That shit get exotic now. That shit gets exotic and complicated.

Yes. And I'm, but I'm, but this is what I like about defense too. Okay. No, go ahead. Go ahead. I want you to finish your phone. I say this is what I like about personnel. And the better your personnel, the more skilled players that you do have,

the more exotic. in the deeper your playbook good defensively. Listen, some of that stuff the Raven used to run into 2000s, some of the stuff the Steelers used to run into 2000s, only they could run that stuff based on the personnel they had. Listen, I saw a defense one time with Paula Maloo, and I came in and Ryan Clark, before the snap of the ball,

I tell you no lie. I tell you no lie, if I'm lying, I'm flying. Everybody was at the line of scrimmage. before the snap of the ball. Before the snap of the ball, everybody was at the line of scrimmage. And it was some type of exotic bluff. Right before the ball snapped, everybody shot up out of there so fast to get to wherever their responsibilities were.

I'm like, who in the hell? I ain't never seen nothing like that. You talk about- And the thing is, but the thing is also, that. But here's the thing, whether you're offensive defense, when you go on the road, you can be less. creative because now the communication is a lot harder. And so when we went on the road, we only had a handful of plays.

We either know we run in, we run it. We ran it handoff week or we run in talks week. We ain't got all these plays. We're going to check to this, check to that. And everybody's like, huh? Well, I thought it was this. No, handoff week, handoff strong. I mean, handoff week, tall strong.

That's what we're running. Right. You know, with you guys, what you guys, you always ran that stress play too. Yeah. Yeah. Like the goddamn coach. Like they always do with Edg James and Joe and the guy. Yes.

Y'all love that damn play. And hey, listen, T.D. a hold it, he'll hold it, he'll hold it. And bend that bitch right on back. Every time. I had one with a lot of, a lot of times. Him and poor artists. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. But if you notice, look at all the guys we had. We had porters, rookie of the year, 50-100 yards back-to-back season. Mike Anderson, rookie of the year, 15-100 yards. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. All them guys leave.

Ruben drones, who is the fullback, they put him in eye back. He goes for 1250, get paid. TD gets hurt in 99. They put a land of scary in there. We call him bird. So we call him. They said, man, why are you calling bird? I said, that joke is so pigeon-told.

I don't know where to throw bird seed or say, what's up, bro. I mean, hey, but bird be housing that thing. Yeah. And so, but TD, all TD had to know. Mike, I had one responsibility. When TD cut back, he had to know that. defensive end wasn't going to put his helmet in his hip. Right. That was my sole responsibility.

That's not going to happen on my watch. Now, he would ask me, hey, he, uh, 84, what you got backside? I said, hold up TD. to keep your front side. Right, right, right, right, right. I said, come back here right, right. Right, right. Come back here right. Right. Right.

Give me the opportunity. Give me a bad thing going to happen to you. Let, let, let you wear him down a little bit. Yeah, yeah. I say, I got to cut him a few more times. Right. Let me cut him a few more time. You know, hey, had him like cockroach, feet up. in the air, hey, Tidi, come see your boy. And now all of a sudden

he hit that thing. Yeah. He out of the gate. But, you know, I had to soften him up. I had to soften him up, though. The first two quarters, keep the front side of the house, keep it to the strong side. Don't come back here, weak side. I like that. Michael called out Cowboys haters. What I

don't understand is everybody just waits for the Cowboys to lose. I saw multiple analysts, people who are fake analysts who somehow got jobs on TV saying, there goes your boy. It's almost to the point where it's like almost sick. Some of these people are like mentally sick. They're waiting for former players or former players are waiting for current players to fail

so that they can have something to talk about. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think Mikea really understands who he's playing for yet. I don't think he understands. Yeah, he does because he talks. I don't think he understood. You remember the beginning of year? He told me historical defense. He said that.

He said they got a historical defense. Now, this is what I don't know. this is what I don't. I never heard Michael Parsons because I was one of the first ones that ran out. I said, this is the best player in the draft. Even though he did not play his senior year, based on what I had seen, him play his junior year, and based on what I saw at the combine, right? It fit. You can see the way he timed, the way he jumped, he's explosive. He's sudden. So whatever you saw on tape, he confirmed it at the combine. Yeah. I hear him say one time, these so-called fake analysts saying

I'm going to be great. I didn't hear him say not one time these analysts say I should be rookie of the year. He never said, he never said anything when they said it's bad LT. He's the closest thing I've seen the LT. That's what I don't get. Why don't you say it's too much praise

when guys are heaping that praise on you? When you wreck and shop, he never says them former players waiting on me. They talk, hey, hey, hey, Shannon, man. that's too much, man. Don't be saying I'm going to be this good.

Don't say I'm going to be running rookie at a year. Don't say I'm going to win rookie of the year and defense player to year. Come on, man, that ain't right. Why you root? Oh, he don't mind when they root for him. Yeah. Even though I don't believe players are rooting against him, but he don't mind when they're cheering them on.

It's just that when you go out there and you didn't have the type of game and they found ways and we saw this 49ers, give you a great blueprint. They can use his eyes. Hey, instead of making him swim, make him catch. Put that tight end on him and says, okay, stand up in here now. We're going to want you to stand it because you said you wanted to play with your hand in the dirt. And the Buffalo Bills say put them tight ends on him.

They put them big guys on him. And all of a sudden, he didn't have the same type of game. Bro, do you, I could imagine Reggie White, LT, DT, and all the greats complaining. And he talked about the media. What the hell you think you in? Where did you say this at? On your show, on your podcast, do you realize you're part of the media also?

Yeah. Yeah. I think he has to understand what comes with playing for the Dallas Cowboys. I still don't think he understands. I still don't think he understands that the Dallas Cowboys move the needle. The Dallas Cowboys, the Los Angeles Lakers, and the New York Yankees, they move the needle. They will always be,

they will always be talked about, criticize, and analyzed different than any other team. That's just the way it is. It's the lay of the land. It will always be that way.

But what they got to do, what they got to do, all they have to do, in order to shut up the analysts, and know to shut up the haters, the so-called fake analysts that never played the game is you got to go out to execute

week in and week out. Oh, Cho, but that was the problem. It's a simple fix. Remember, O-Cat- that was just saying. He ain't even never played a game. Now you got guys playing the game. Oh, now they fake analyst.

Now you said at first you had a problem with guys criticizing you or critiquing your game that never played. Now, all the networks, a lot of, most of the networks have guys that played the game. Critiquing your game. Now that's a problem.

Oh, then you say, well, what if he done? Y'all sure y'all want to answer me that question? Are you sure? Are you sure? Now, I know I've been away from the game, and a lot of people don't, and I don't really care. I'm going to say what I'm going to say based on what I see. Now, y'all know y'all can't BS me now. Y'all didn't stop playing.

I'm too big of a cat to be played with like a kid. Now, I keep telling y'all that. So when your owner's out there running his yap about how historically great this defense is, when everybody is writing about you in Dallas talking about this team is so close and this team seems different. you ain't got no problem with that. But the moment that you all you got to do is show up against the 49 is all you had to do is show up. Against the Eagles on the road, all you had to do is show up. All you had to do was show up against Buffalo because everybody just wait.

I told you this team feel different. Really? Well, I don't know what you ought to beat. I want you all to beat somebody. Go on the road and beat somebody. Now that I think about it, let me see, the loss of the bill, 3110. The remaining is the rest of the gone. I'm going to call it the gauntlet.

The rest of the gauntlet for them. They got beat 4210 by the 49ers. Got beat 2816 by the Cardinals, minus Kyle of Murray. Yeah. Listen, they got the dolphins, the lions, and the commanders. For them two, them two next ones, that tells the whole story. That tells the whole story. Them dolphins, you already know what's happened.

Tyreek back next week. But here's the thing, Ocho. And what I've been trying to tell people, I say the cowboys are different. They're deep. This is a defense. I understand that DAC is playing an unbelievable MVP type football.

Oh, yeah. But you see what happens when they don't get turnovers? When you see what happens, how they look, when they don't get sixes and scooping scores or put their offense on the short field, you see how they look? You tell me that's the same team.

When they didn't get the turnover against the 49ers. Or they didn't create turnovers. They didn't create, I think they might have had one against Arizona. I think they might have had one on the road against Philly. they got none against Buffalo. See, they're not losing a field goal game. They're getting demolished.

You know, I think the problem is, and I talked to you about this too before, I said, do you really think it's an advantage when you're playing at home as opposed to playing on the road? Yeah. But the Cowboys scoring 40 points a game when they're playing at home.

And 21 points a game on the road. Yeah. That's basically three touchdowns, Ocho. That's three touchdown different. That's not, okay, we score 28 points that on the road, we scored, I mean, at home, we scored 24 on the road. Bro, do you understand that's three touchdowns? Three?

Oh, my good. That's, that, you know, I won't. Look at the takeaways at home. I think they're plus 10. On the road, they're minus. Minus, yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Predicated on defense getting scooping, scores, a pick six and short fields. And this is the, and this is what we're talking about. But, Michael, you have to understand as a pre- eminent player. You have to show up in moments like this, bro. You take these guys, it doesn't matter. And remember we talked to Coach Prime and Prime. I want to thank you for coming on last night.

Everybody say how much they love the episode. It's our highest episode thus far. I think we had a tick, Ocho. We had a tick up under 45,000. I think we have 44,932. Yes, sir. So we had a tick under 45,000. So we want to thank Coach Prime for coming on,

gracing us with his present and dropping some knowledge on us. But can you imagine when people say, oh, oh, Prime ain't show up. Reggie White ain't show up. Bruce Smith ain't show up. Ray Lewis, 15 ran for 600. 15 ran for 240 yards on the Baltimore Ravens defense. Shee.

Imagine if Ray to came out and say, hey, man, man, these so-called fake analysts and haters. Really? Do you understand the company that people have already put you in? And you ain't have no problem with that. You know, if you, you shouldn't have a problem with criticism. See, and this is what happens. If you live for T.I. said it.

If you live for the applause, you will die by the criticism. Hmm. You see? Whoa, hold on now. Hold on. I think T.I. said that. Hold on. Let me give him a pen. Hold on. I'm in the hotel. I like that one.

I left my notepad in Miami, boy, give me that one again, boy. Yeah, if you live for the praise, you die by the criticism. Yeah, I'm going to use that on real. I'm going to use that. Why you use everything on real? Don't use that on rail. Because that's the only person I get into it with. So I got the had these in my pocket now.

Yeah, that's a good one, boy. Damn, that's a good. But Michael needs to understand because of his level of greatness. There is a greater expectation for him. Yeah. And because he doesn't get to have an off game. And not to say that, look, but you have to understand, there's a cycle now. Like when those other great plays, there was no 24-hour news cycle.

You had your local reporter and the group of reporters. But now everything, they can go back at every plate. A guy can pull up every plate. Somebody can pull it up on their computer and show it. Look at Michael. Mike ain't working here. Look at this guy. Look at his back.

Look at this. Look at that. They didn't have that before. So I'm not going to sit here and tell you because I know I've broken down all the grades. All the grades have been blocked. All the grades have been pancake. All the grades have had games

in which they didn't play their best. So do you think it's okay? It's okay to say, okay, you know what? The Cowboys can have a game like this as opposed to... But they've had too many of them. But Cowboys, what, they tend and foe. Yeah, but look who they beat me. We're asking them when you step up in competition

and play a bully like you, somebody that can look you in your eye. Man, don't pick on him. Hey, you know how the other old joke with some people cracking jokes. They don't get mad at the people telling the joke. They get mad at the people that's laughing. Oh, yeah.

But what you're laughing at? He told the joke. This shit was funny. That's what I'm laughing at. So the Cowboys, they pick it on the commanders. They pick it on the Giants. They pick it on the Jazz. The Panthers.

Okay, take up to 49ers. Okay. Right, right. Oh, that comes Buffalo. The teams you're going to see in the playoffs, basically. Yes. Show me. Show me.

If y'all, what you're going to say, y'all are, if you're tired of people saying that you're not this, all you do, you've just repeated. And that's what I said. Look, all I says, I need to see. Right. I need to see. Faith is believing in the unknown.

God said that. God said that. God said, if you have faith, I'll show you. Well, I'm a man. I need you to show me to have faith. And I ain't seen it. You've seen it? Because remember two years ago when Jack had that great season?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And guess what happened when the 49ers came in? And what did 49ers do to him? Got, got him put footst up in him, got him right on the pot of there. Yeah. Last year, even though he missed five games, he tied for the league in interceptions. In exceptions, yeah.

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and they get past that first round? We've seen them get past the first round. We haven't seen them get past the second round. They get past that division around. Okay. Have you seen it? Now, you do realize they haven't been past. that first round, you were probably...

So how were you in the, um, in 95? 95, 95, I was 22. You weren't 22. Um, 79, 60, you were 16. So think about that. You were 16. Wait a minute.

Let me give me a calculator. Hold on. You don't need no calculator. I calculated for you. Okay. You were 16. And you, and you not, and you're not 32. You're not even 36.

So let that sink in for just a second. Yeah. Yeah. That's how long it's been since they've been past the second round. Wait. It's been that long? Yeah. When they won the Super Bowl in Arizona, 95.

And they still get the type of media attention and criticism. Yes. Yes. That is truly America's team. You do understand that, right? Yes. But you have not to have been, for you to not have won in so long. Because their fans are delusional.

because Jerry tells him every year and everybody buys into it. This is their year. It's kind of like the kid, the parent to tell the kid, oh, I'm going to take you tomorrow. And tomorrow never comes. But you still hold out hope that what he said is going to come true. Or that Christmas gift that you were expecting that never came. Yeah.

I mean, I remember my grandmother, Kobe. Go ahead. Okay, go ahead. At the beginning of receiving, all 32 teams have that same speech and that same talk from their head coaches. Nah. But their owners are not out there pedaling there. See, nobody else owner is saying that this team reminds me of those Super Bowl teams.

When you had those seven, eight Hall of Famers on it. What other owner is saying that? What other owner is telling you who's going to play, who's injured, the injury report? What other owner is doing that? Yeah, but he's the only... What other owner is saying after you beat the commanders that this is the most... This is the happiest that I've been. Who or what other owner after you beat a division rival said,

you know what? This is the best, this is the best we played. What other owners doing that? Him. But it's Jerry Jones. He's always been front and center, though. He's always been that way.

Because he wants it about him. No matter how great Dak plays, when you think of the Cowboys, who you think about, Ocho? Jerry Jones. Jerry, because he's always front and center. I think he likes that. And all the other owners.

Patrick Mahon. Clark Hunt says, I don't need that. Robert Kraft got six championships since he got his last one. Think about that. He's been nine times. He got six. Damn.

And Mr. Crafts, hey, our coach Belichick or Tom, y'all, Tommy. He calls him Tommy. He called both of them Tommy. I mean, Tommy and Billy. That's what he called Coach Belichick, Billy. He calls Tom, Tommy. Y'all get that. I don't need that.

He craves that. And that's why he got Jimmy up out of there because he wouldn't get that. he wanted that. Right. Man, so do you think maybe if Jerry was to move out the way, maybe the expectations and the result? Okay, okay. The one guy that can never lose his job.

I mean, he can't lose his job. I'm talking about just taking the back seat as far as being the face in the voice of the Cowboys. Let the players do it. Let that do. You do realize that they got guys that got way more money than Jerry and we don't know who the hell they are. If Jerry were to move.

Who got me? more money in Jerry. Man, Jerry, probably the 1,300, the 1,400's richest person in the world, there are a lot of people that got more money. I was, I mean, I know there is. I was speaking on, I thought you made with the Cowboys, I thought you made with the Cowboys organization. But why not? Because they don't own the Cowboy. Okay. I see what you're saying. I see what you're going. That's why you think those rich people try to get those teams. That's a, that's a level that, And some rich people don't want that. Some people like, hey, I got my 30, 40, 50, 100, 200 billion.

And I'm cool. I'm cool. I don't, I don't, I love my anonymity. I'm going to go get on my, you know, my 300, 400 foot yacht. Mega yacht, not just any yacht, mega yacht. Ocho, you know what to say it is. Ain't no crying on the yacht. Ain't no crying on a yacht.

It ain't no crying 35,000 feet up on the air on the G6. they cool with that. But Jerry is so tied to the cowboys. I mean, that's his baby. Yeah. That's his baby. That's our man. That joke was right.

So who can tell Jerry? How about, you know what? I think things will change for us as a team, as an organization. If you kind of took a backseat a little bit, if you didn't beat a voice, if you didn't, if you didn't say some of the things that puts a strain on the team on the team that have to go out there, performed by saying things like this is one of the best defenses or this is the Super Bowl contending team. Who can talk to him and he can actually listen and be like, you know what? Stephen.

Maybe you're right. Stephen is his right hand man. Stephen is the guy that most of the time when you see Jerry sitting up at the podium or the desk is Stephen next to him. Also now he does have a Jerry name is Gerald. He does have a junior and he has a daughter. Charlotte. And I think his wife is named Gene.

So probably, probably Stephen, probably Stephen. I mean, this would be a good time at some point. I mean, I'm not just saying after all these years. I'm not sure how Cowboys fans feel about it. But I think maybe the direction of the team will go where it needs to go if Jerry took a backseat and then tried to take all the attention and put the onus and the pressure on the players to go out and perform

and just allow them to play the game like the other 31 teams do that don't have their owners putting the pressure on them to go out there and succeed. Well, you know, Ocho, when I was in Baltimore, Brian Billick did a lot of talking. So he was essentially writing checks that we had to cash. Yeah. And we had a defense that could cash those checks. Or steal it.

Either one, y'all can steal it too. She is. So now the thing is, now if Jerry was talking like he's talking, right now in the 90s when he had Playmaker and Emmett and Troy and he had all those guys he had Nate Newton he had two and a day he had Gogh and Steppnowsky yeah and Big Easy and then you had Leon letton you had all those guys Tobrit and Chaley and and Darren Woodson and all those guys you could do that could you yeah you could you but everybody said they want to see my shirt it's all I got for yo Joe I gave 100

I give 100 of that work. 10% Monday, 30. Friday, you ain't getting nothing. Friday, you already know. It's already the weekend. Yeah. So.

5% Fridays. 49th and King donated 50 bucks and he asked, Ocanocho, do you think the Cowboys are better at home because of the speed of the field versus the natural turf outdoor style? No, I think the thing is that when they go on the road, teams run the ball at him. a light football team. They're built

on speed. And so they're predicated on having a lead. Look at the games they've lost. They ain't had no lead. It's hard to get after the quarterback when you die 14 and they run in the ball down your throat. You can't back the quarterback if he ain't got the ball. Yeah. So that's what teams are doing. Teams are putting them in a deficit.

So now you got to sit in there because they're an undersized team. They're all about getting a. It's like Floyd I think Floyd Peters. the famous says, hey, we're going to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. And so that's how the Cowboys think. Everybody's trying to attack the quarterback,

attack the running game on the way to the quarterback. Well, when you got guys firing off on you, hey, you remember what D.Law said? Oh, you hit a mofo in the mouth, but you hit them over and again, and again, and again, and again. So with a mofo line up and they hit you in your mouth again and again and again. and when you try to make a pile, they lift your butt up and get you up out of there again and again and again.

Yeah. Then you got 266 yards. Josh Allen threw the ball 15 times yesterday. He completed five. And the conditions like that, what the hell you think they're going to do, Ocho? They got to run. You got to run.

You ain't got no choice. You ain't got no choice. I don't know what they thought was going to happen. At that point in time, and we see James Cook, we see Joe Brady relying a lot more on the run game with James Cook. Not only running the football, they're throwing the ball to him, allowing him to get

down the field. We see him, we caught that touchdown. And see, they like to play with those undersized and a third down in nickel. They like to play with undersized linebackers. You remember what Dion Dawkins did, the number 33? He walked him down to feel about 20 yards. He choked him on his head and they had to come get it. Yeah, he would hurt.

That's a whole lot of weight on you. I don't care how big, how bad you are. But them 300 pounds start leaning on your ass and you're 220 and you're 2.30. Bad things going to happen, oh, Joe. Bad things going to happen. Listen, physics is undefeated.

Physics is undefeated. Slim from the sticks that ass doing live stream is crazy. Ocho, I'm bad, look at me, slim. Slim. Man, you know the old pool hustler trying to get paid, man. Ocho and I got like eight, nine miles. I got like seven or eight miles to feed, bro. Help a bull horse lot.

11. You got 11? 11. I got 11. And we're working on one more. 11 in the possible. Listen, 11 in the possible. And I don't even play space.

Damn. Yeah, man. And no kids expensive now. Oh, Joe, you remember I told you we was having a conversation the other day and we were talking about finance about people. And somebody asked us, said, what did we, you and I and our kids' mother argue about? argue about, and I said, you know, money about private school. And people say, 15,000, man, there ain't no money.

I'm paying that now. You do realize that was 25 plus years ago. You do realize that was 25 plus years ago. Right. Again, you do realize that was 25 plus years ago. And you do realize I had three kids. So you're sure that we're on the same level of playing field. Okay.

now you get my point. I hope like when you're talking about this, when we're talking about our kids, all my kids are grown. Yeah. My baby's in her last year was about to go to residency. I'm a granddad.

So clearly I ain't got no teenagers. I mean, I could theoretically, but I don't. All my kids have graduated, undergrad, my daughter, my youngest daughter's with undergrad. She got a master's. Now she's about to get a doctor. Hmm.

So come on people. That's lie. And I, I'm not. saying that to say comparison. Like, I understand that having a child now and you have to work and you have to put the kid in daycare, it's expensive. That's the number one cause that eat at finances of a family is daycare for a child. That's expensive. And you got to have somebody and you need to have somebody that you trust to watch your child. And I get it. And it's not cheap. And that's why, you know, you have a couple of kids, man, you need to be making damn near

half a million dollars to have a couple of kids. Not, Ocho. It ain't like it was when we were growing up. People had kids like my mom and my grandmother that was born. That was free labor. You had work, they put your ass to work. That's what that was for.

They had a bunch of kids. You know, my grandma had nine kids. Yeah. And all of had to hit the fields. Ooh. Man, look here. Ocho, I remember this had to be, how was that?

This had to be 73, 74. I'm going to say 73, 74. Right, right, right. My granddaddy came home. He said, I want everything big enough to sop syrup to hit that field tomorrow. Everything. Now, you know you ain't got to be that big to sob syrup. Yeah, you show don't.

So everybody's idea. Mr. Joe Tatum, I talk about him a lot because he would come by and pick us up. Now, I was at the time now, he met the older kids. I was the youngest by three years. I'm three years younger than my brother. My sister is eight years older to me. Now, I got an aunt that's nine years older to me, and then I got a couple of them that was 11, 12, 13 years older.

Right, right. He's a, and so when Mr. Joe pulls up, I'm sitting on the porch. Like I said, I'm five or six years of age. He said, Barton, what about that little fella? He said, Joe, he pretty little. He said, Barter, we can find something for him to do. What the hell you mean?

You find something for me to do. I'm like, what, though? What? Yeah. Guess what? Walk behind the tobacco picker. I had to pick the lead that hit the ground. Right.

I had to pick them up and take them to the guy. Yeah. And then, now, I had to carry a rope. Now, the roads probably was about 200 yards long. I carry a rope by myself. Now, people in North Carolina, South Carolina, in Georgia, I don't know the other states or maybe Alabama, Mississippi. Right.

But the first picking is called sand lugging. That means the leaves are closest to the ground and they're on the sand. So that's called sand lugging. Backbreaking work. But you know, you're young. Hey, man, I'm five, seven, eight you can. I'm out there with my cousins. Hey, I'm trying to win.

I bet I could beat y'all. I'm racing the big kids. I'm trying to win. But the key, what he did, oh, Joe, Mr. Joe, what he would do, we would get up. And the truck was back there, so we'd have to pull the truck up. And the older kids, they had a guy smart. That means they had to run back to get the truck and they didn't want to do it.

He's like, Peewey, sundown, won't y'all go get the truck? We five. Lanny is two years older than me. We five, we five and seven, six and eight. He let him drive. Took off. Yeah, we let us drive. You know what I'm saying?

I could barely go to steal. Wait, you can reach the gas, though. You can reach the pedal? That's what I'm saying. I'm up here like this here. Oh, you're standing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm barely, barely, barely.

But the fact that he trust enough to drive the truck in the field. Yeah. So that's what we learned how to drive. Drive the track and drive all that stuff. But, man, hold on. Retire senior chief U.S. Navy said, man, I'm going to tell y'all, I would pay for Bishop Gorman. I would pay, man, I ain't going to tell y'all what I would pay for Bishop Gorman here in Vegas.

Would you go to school? He wants to go to school there. Bishop Goldman for his kids to go there Oh Oh yeah Oh that's in Vegas Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

As a matter of fact If I'm not mistaken Randall Cunningham kids Mm-hmm Yeah yeah yeah yeah I ain't gonna tell you all What I'll pay Man please

If it was left up to me Mm-hmm I ain't pay for no school man I ain't pay for no No Unless not It's just like We're the area that we live

Because you know Orcho back in the day Yeah You had to go into school to the district where you went. You couldn't go across town if you lived. Oh, no, no. It seemed like it was the same thing in Miami. It was the same thing like that in Miami is based on address.

Based on your address, it tells you what school is supposed to go to. Obviously, I grew up in Liberty City. And for me, I was upset. It all worked out for me on the back end at the end. My past was a little different. I lived in Liberty City. I grew up in the 40s. Miami Northwestern is on 71st Street.

Miami Jackson Senior High is on 36th Street. I'm supposed to be at Jackson, but Miami Northwestern was close enough for me to actually go there as well. My grandma, counselor and teacher at Nautilus Middle School on Miami Beach, it's time for high school. I'm hype.

I'm thinking I'm getting ready to go. I'm going to go to school with my homeboys right here in the hood. Either I'm going to go to the West or I'm going to go to Jackson. It's time to go to high school. This woman, baby, I know you want to go to school with your fellas and your boys.

boys, but I got to keep an eye on you. And I really can't see you all away from Miami Beach over here. So I'm gonna make you go over here to Miami Beach Senior High right down the street from me just in case there's an emergency. Ain't an emergency. I wanna go, I wanna go play football with my dogs. I wanna play football with my own boys.

But then in hindsight on the back end instead of getting lost in the wash of talent, playing against him was that much better. Right. So I mean, it hurt my feelings not to be able to play, play with my, people I grew up with but playing against the man,

that was one of the greatest feelings. My high school was a dope experience. I wish I could experience the game. And now, Cho, high school, they give out scholarship because a lot of these high schools that, you know, you are, it costs money to go there.

Man, I wasn't, first of all, we ain't got the money to be going. It costs money to go. High school says when. Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about like IMG or something? I'm talking about like, like Valor, like in college.

Colorado Valley, that's where the McAfrey brothers with. Right, right, right. Oh, yeah, that's probably $25,000, $25,000 a year. Whoa, come on, come on, come on, bring it back, bring it back, bring it back, bring it back. 25,000 years. I have G Academy like $60,000 a year. Well, but, oh, scholarships take care. Yes, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yes, yes, yes. Because my next question was like, well, what the hell they get their goddamn money from? Okay, but a lot of parents, a lot of people play, get their kids in there. Because the IMG Academy, you know, they got tennis. That's a rest your soul, Nick Boletary. I met him a couple of times and he wanted me to come down there. This Bishop Gorman, Cunningham, DeMarco Murray, DTR, Ronnie Staley, Brevin Jordan, all went to that high school. Okay, okay.

Well, they got some dogs came out of there now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, you know, Ocho, a lot of times, and I don't have a problem with it, sometimes, people will remove their kids to duck competition. I mean, I had a neighbor that he said that he was moving because he wanted to move to a smaller town to give his kid a better opportunity to play. He said because being in Atlanta,

the competition is too great. Very high. That's a good thing, though. That's a good thing. I ain't talking no competition. Yeah, you want you want. I ain't talking no competition. Yeah.

You got, that's the air we in that too, man. The fact that we have participation trophies, and we praising mediocrity, it's going to be tough. And all that reclassifying and holding your kid back so he can be a year older, no, uh-uh, uh-uh.

No, let me go. Let me go. What it's meant to be going to be? Yeah, most definitely, most definitely. And playing against better competition at some point you have no choice but to get better. But to get better. No choice but to get better.

That's what helped me, Ocho. Think about it. I'm playing against my brother, three years older than me, my cousin, two years old than me. Yeah. Most of them like Arneill was eight was seven years older, Eugene six years older.

Robbie was eight years older, seven years older. Bernard was four years older. So I ain't had no choice. Right. I'm the youngest one. And them jokers call it. You know what I'm saying? I'm the last one pick.

You know, I'm trying to play basketball. Oh, travel. Oh, he walked. I'm like, God, bro, y'all do realize, man. I'm the youngest one out here. They ain't cut no slack. At all. Hey, man, them jokers tackling me, throwing me down.

Hey, but that's okay. Right. But when I got to school with kids my age, yeah, they got no chance. No chance to tackling me. No chance to beat me in basketball. Right. None of that. That ain't going to happen. Oh, Joe, I know you saw this. Demonte Cazee was suspended. The NFL brought the hammer down on Pittsburgh Steelers safety,

Demonte Cazee after his helmet, helmet hit on Michael Pittman, Jummer and Steelers 30 to 13 loss on the road in week 15. The league announced it's suspending Kizzi for the rest of, of the 2023 season and possibly impossible playoff game should the 7 and 7th Steelers reached the postseason. I saw the hit. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do?

Especially with that throw. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do as a defender? I talked to you when Kareem Jackson got suspended for a second time. What do you're supposed to do as a defender? I talked to you about the NFL and the competition committee. wanting protect the players, but also handicapped in the game and it becoming watered down. What are you supposed to do in that situation outside of play two hand touch?

What do you do? I guess the NFL said, no, we don't want you to hit him in that situation. Because if you hit him, we're going to drop the helm on you because that's what they did. What's going to happen? What's going to happen when all the defensive players come together? What's going to happen when all the defensive players come together? and every time someone is in a vulnerable position where they can get a flag, they actually just tap the player.

Just tap the player. Like just two hand touch on purpose. Just two hand touch them on purpose. That's what you might as well do. That's what is going to come to. Yeah. Ocho, I think the thing is because the NFL is, look, if there was ever such a thing as a vulnerable position,

he was in it. But I'm like, that was tough. That was the throw too now. That was the throw. So the quarterback hung him out to dry. Yeah. And, you know, I understand the quarterback in our nature is that I'm trying to catch everything on. I ain't going to lie.

Even though I know I'm going to get level. Every time. But I always want the quarterback to believe that he can throw it to me and good things are going to happen. Either I'm going to come down with it or it's going to hit the turn. but I'm not going to get intercepted. No. But that's a tough, and I feel, I feel bad for Kazi, because it's not like the guy's making, you know,

it's like he made $30 million, $40 million. Right, right. I mean, you know, it's not like he got another six, seven years in the NFL, Ojo either. Right. And so you're taking, you know, $30, $40, $50,000 paycheck from this man, maybe more. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, man. It's crazy. Ocho? What do you do? A piece of parlor canceled Tommy DeVito's appearance after double, after double appearance price. Tommy DeVito had a bad day on Sunday on and off the field.

A piece of place in Marstown, New Jersey, hired DeVito for a meeting greet, took the Instagram to explain the abrupt cancellation. Yeah. Tommy DeVito will not be here this Tuesday as originally planned. After last week's win, we received word from his agent that the appearance fee would be doubling. It went from 10,000 to 20,000.

That's right. We're a small family run business and decided that 20,000 was a little too steep for two hours. The post came after the Giants lost 24 to 6 to the size. Excuse me. The restaurants added, sorry about the loss today, Giants fan, but we're Italian and we don't like when someone says one thing and does another. Listen, Tommy DeVito. is the quarterback for the New York Giants.

Football Giants. He is the face now of that franchise right now. Yesterday's price is not today's price. Now, if he was still the backup, that $10,000 appearance fee, I understand. Oh, Joe. I get it.

But they had a deal. They screenshot it text communication that said he had agreed to 10,000. Was there a document? Were there signed contract assigned document? Ocho, that's what I'm telling you. There was text conversation that says, okay, we'll do it for 10,000.

Oh, you just said text conversation. That ain't going to work in court. That ain't on working court. Actually, we need documentation. No, it's not a documentation, Ocho. If I tell you what, Ocho, I tell you what you do. Tell me you're going to tell me, you're going to give me $100,000.

Right. And this show takes off. And then all of a sudden the show takes off and I don't give it to you. And I got take, we got text conversation that will absolutely hold up in court. All I can say with Tommy DeVito, he is, he is, he is, Tommy DeVito is the quarterback for the New York football Giants. And yesterday's price is not the day's price. So I have a better understanding on what he's doing and why he's doing it because the value has increased because you are now the starter. Ocho, if you give, Ocho, I get it.

I know what you're saying, though. I know what you're saying. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho. What an appearance fee for Sheldon Sharp in 20203 is different than it was in 2024. But if I had agreed to a, and the price in 2024 is going to be a difference in 2020. Right. I've agreed to some appearances in 2024. But I signed them.

I agreed to them in 2023. Hmm. I gave them people, I gave them people my word. I think, okay, I'll, I will do it for that, for that number. Now, think about it. Think about now we got, this was before Nightcap. This was before I had the ESPN deal. This was before I was voted complex personality.

Number one. I gave them people my word. I would do it for that. Now, I could, Hey, man, look at all of what I don't have got now. So the price. It goes up. Your value, your value has increased.

And that's okay. That's okay. My word is everything. If you ain't got your word, you ain't got nothing, no, Joe. Oh, your word. Oh, wait a minute. Because now and I got you in the pickle. Because if your word is everything,

I would have been on first take by now. I told you once I get in good. I ain't in good. It's been goddamn seven months. Oh, Joe, you do realize I'm on a date. I got days. I ain't got no year contract. I got days.

Okay, we're going to work on. We're going to work on a full-time contract. We're going to work on that. Let me know. Matter of fact, if the bosses, if the bosses come to you or Stephen, they come to you about doing full-time, make sure we're a package deal. What kind of package? Like a package shop?

Nah, I ain't no package. Lefortier and Cigar? Yeah, because if you're going, if you're hiring me, you got to bring Ocho with you. You know, Ocho, you know I was going to be a what you call them. Because you do know, have you ever heard of a thing of a verbal contract? Right, right, right. Yeah.

It doesn't need to. Hold on. I'm in my room. Everything doesn't need to be on this. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You think them text messages are really hold up in a court of law? Hell yeah.

Not saying it's going to that magnitude, but you think that would really hold up? Absolutely. Absolutely. Do you know how many businesses have been split on a verbal contract? Right. Or text email? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

That's the first thing they said, be careful. Anthony, Anthony Edwards got himself into a situation. That's my dog. He has a girlfriend. Yeah. And I guess another female. And both of them is pregnant. And what happened, I think the girlfriend.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on, nah. Come back to me. Come on back home, baby. Wait. He got a girl, he got a girlfriend. Okay. He got a girlfriend.

Okay. Slow down for me. And a side piece. Okay, okay, okay. If I'm not mistaken, if I'm correct, the girlfriend posted that she's pregnant. The girl, okay. Anthony Edwards, hello. I'm lost.

I'm too old. I'm too old. I'm too old. What do you mean you lost? Okay. Because you said he got a girlfriend. rail, you mess, you got real. Real post on IG, she's pregnant.

The next thing, you know, the side piece you mess with, she posted, she's pregnant too. No, I don't like that. Okay, I don't even like, I don't even like that hypothetical. I don't like that. You know what? God, but hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, because, you know, you need for no.

Wish that. Don't get that on you. You're bad. Devil, don't play. Don't, uh, don't do. Maybe I know you in the chat, baby. don't pay them no mind, honey. No.

But now I'm with you now, though. I'm with you now. Anthony Edwards gave a statement a day after a woman released screenshots of texting showing him pressuring her together abortion. She also posted a screenshot of an alleged wire transfer of

100K. He said, he said, I made comments in the heat of the moment that are not me and that I'm not aligned with. I believe who I and who I want to be as a man. All women should be supported and empowered to make their own decisions about their bodies and what is best for them.

I'm handling my personal matters privately and will not be commenting on them any further at this time. Okay, hold on. Let me drop that down real quick. Yeah, because I like the wordplay he used right there. I like that wordplay. Yes. Okay. I like that.

And so I'm assuming this young lady. that is the peace side, she purposely put everything out to put the pressure back on him because she had already made the decision up in her mind. Because if she was for him in understanding the situation that he was in, even though he put himself in that situation,

she sees the dollar signs. And I don't think, I'm sure, maybe he did understand brother Anthony, Anthony Edwards, that she was in it not for you, but what you can do. you know and she had a she had an end goal most of them always have it in goal and she reached that end goal uh anthony ed was made a mistake anthony ed was ever as it is young we we all make those mistakes and i think we're the best i think you and i have you have to live with you got you got to live

with this one oh cho i think you and i are very barely well equipped because you and i both have kids from multiple women oh yeah very close proximity yeah and i'm not so you and i'm not so sure had the situation had this been social media back there. I'm not so sure they might not have put us on blast. Right. But that's okay. I don't have no problems. I don't have. I have very few problems. My foundation is together. My founder, we all work as one unit. It's a good thing. But here's the thing. And this is what I always tell guys. Be careful how you talk because everything is screenshot it. Everything is saved. And so the moment you make someone mad, it takes a special type of person, not to damage the brand, not to blow up

the spot when they get upset. Now, she might come around and says, I'm sorry, but the damage is done. Yeah, yeah. The damage is it done? Listen, it's the difference is it's a difference in understanding the individuals that you deal with or understanding the dynamic of the type of individual you're dealing with based on new you are and what they have going on. If you deal it, if you're dealing with women, if you're, listen to me, chat, stay with me, baby. If you're dealing with women that have something to lose, understand when things don't go their way and situations aren't beneficial and the opportunity that presents itself based on the end goal and the vision that they have in mind, then everything turns for the

worse. Yes. Because you're no longer, you're no longer the escape, not the scapegoat. What's the word I'm looking for? What's the word I'm looking for, Chad? come on, search, search, search, search. The opportunity is gone. Right.

They don't want to lose your goal, man. No, no. What you want to say, you're the meal ticket. Oh, God damn it, there you go. Boy, I'm glad. You pulled it right off my, I couldn't, I couldn't even get it. You pulled it right out, right off my tongue. But yeah, it's important.

I preach it every blue moon. Assets and liabilities. Assets and liabilities. Based on who you're dealing with, you know if somebody should take serious or somebody for fun. Okay, you know what? understand what you're dealing with before you even talk to her. Right. That's for fun.

Enjoy your fun in a respectful way. And that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. Okay, based on what she got going on, oh yeah, we could take, we can take this serious. This is serious. This is something I can build with. I just hate, I just hate that because no matter what, you keep the child, you do what you, like you said, it's her decision. Yeah, always.

Yeah, it always. But at the end of the day, this should have been handled between you and aunt. If you chose to keep it, that's between you and aunt. You chose to do what you wanted to do. That's between you and aunt. The world shouldn't know about this because you got upset. Because it was never about Ann in the first place. You know that.

It was never about it in the first place. If it was based on what Anne has going on, then the rest of the world wouldn't even know about it. I agree. We wouldn't know about it. No, no. But, you know, feelings got involved. You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Ain't no feelings. You know what time it is. understand the play. The game is the game. The game has always been the game. The game hasn't changed ever. It always been that. You know what the end goal is.

You understand the dynamic of the type of women you're dealing with and you know what the end goal is at the end of the day. You live with that because you know it. You got to play the game the right way. It's chess. It's not checkers. The game hasn't changed and it never has. It will always be the same.

Certain types deal with certain type of men for the opportunity and the chance at if you mess up and you get pregnant, they set. I'm good. And what the first thing they do? They expose you. They put you on blast.

Now the money. That's what it comes. That's the end goal at the end of the day. Always is. You know, we come out with the sob stories. Oh, my God. Like, stop. You know what it is.

It's okay. It's okay. I just feel, you know, I just, hey, aunt, just keep your head. it up. It is going to be. The sun's going to come up tomorrow. You're still going to be Anthony Edwards. You're still going to be called to Edman. Just go out there and play your game. It doesn't, hey, bro, we're human. We're human. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we all make

mistakes. And I have been in a very similar situation. Yeah, they made mistakes, though. Them angels, them blessings. I'm talking about him. I'm talking about him not protecting himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, too. But I'm just saying in general, based on how you might see it, based on how people, the chat, or people in the world might see it. Oh, you got this so and so. Fuck that. Fuck that part.

That part's done. I'm talking about that little one. I'm talking about that little angel that's on the way. Right. That's a blessing. Right. That's a blessing. That's a whole new chapter.

I like that part. But here's the thing, the Ocho. Once you screenshot of that, that's there forever. Now, somebody's going to come back and show that. Your daddy didn't even want you. Oh, shit. You got to think. See, you got to think your long term.

Everybody thinks just right now, instantaneous. But I'm telling you how you got to think this is a child. Everything is now saved on the Internet for perpetuity. Right. So you have to be mindful of what you say, how you say it. Because at the end of the day, you think you might be talking to that individual. Some little ears going to see, them little ears going to hear us. them little eyes going to see.

Then what? Yeah. You know, I ain't tell you something somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. No, yeah. You know it's important. You know, it's important too, especially for those when you get a little money and you want to leave off the front porch.

Mm-hmm. You know, I think one of the most important things that we can do and one of the most important things that we should do. And this is for athletes coming up, those that might make it to the NBA, might make it to the NFL. I think it would be whove you to always get serious. with someone that was there in your corner, in your corner before you made it.

In your corner before you made it. I think that's very important. I think that's very imperative because those that you meet once you've already made it in general, I'm not sure they have your best interest at heart. I just don't think so. I don't think so.

No matter how much you may think they do, those that were in your corner when you have shit, when you had a pot to pissing or a window to throw it out of. Yeah. That's who I think athletes, NBA players, entertainers should deal with and marry and want to build an empire and foundation with. That's what I think. But here's the thing. How many times have we seen this story?

We see it often, Ocho. But you know what I tell people? I mean, you think the mouth wants to go to the flame? He can't help what he's attracted to. Even though it's going to end up killing him. Say that again. He likes what he likes. He cannot help it.

He cannot control it. Will you be getting this shit from? Say that one more time about that mall. Come on, nigga. You actually think the mall really wants to go to the flame? He cannot help himself. Individuals, they like what they like. You see, Ocho, I mean, just like, I don't know, like for me, I wanted the Rolex.

I wanted a Ferrari because that was a symbolism that I had made it. Yeah. Okay. Some people want to get the girl that they never would have had an opportunity to get. That's a good one. I want to get the big house. That's a good one. The big house that I would never been to have an opportunity to get.

Or I want to get the car. Can't help it. Yeah. Like what you like, Coach. I have a question. Even understanding knowing what you like and liking what you like. And once you get in the money and knowing you have access to what most would view as better would be prettier.

You know, is there an understanding as well and understanding that these individuals that you're going to and you're able to have access to and attain? Is there a great understanding and knowing that they are not with you for you, but what you can do? Do they know that? I'm just asking, does common sense set in

and understand the game? I don't want to. I don't want to generalize or stereotype or say everybody is like that. because I'm a firm believing we tied this conversation, Ocho. Well, we've been in this lifestyle way too long now.

Don't you do that to me? Come on now. Yes. Yes. Yes. So you believe real with you? Because of who you are, what you have, real. Well, God, shit, but that's the hard one. This motherfucker, oh, we're almost cursed again.

Excuse me. Excuse me language. This motherfucker is making more to me right now. So that can't be the goddamn case. But what you have already made, you've already got a nice little bank row you said, no, Joe. Come on now. I got, hey, I got nice little bankroll. Exactly.

I got nice. Listen, I got nice little nest egg now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, but go ahead. But you know what? I just, like I said, I just want, I want what's best for Ant Man. Yeah.

He'll get over this. I mean, you're embarrassed. The biggest thing is the embarrassment that you feel right now. Right. Because you bet. What we said, you got caught with your pants down. Yeah. Because nobody knew, nobody knows unless.

it comes to the light. And she brought it to the light. Why? Because she's upset with you and because your girlfriend. And she's like, oh, what about me? And she wants you to hurt like you hurt her. Yeah. You know what?

And you think about it? I mean, the situation is not, he can't lose a job over this. Or do you think about dealing with people that have something to lose? And people that have nothing to lose will ruin everything for those that do. Yep.

Sometimes. They'll burn your whole empire down because they're upset and they don't think logically they're stuck in the now and not the long-term effect of, well, you know, if I hit sin, you know, it could affect a whole lot of people. People don't think about that. You know some people will sink your boat just because you won't let them drive it. Oh, shit.

Oh, man. You boy, you... I'm in the middle of Asia. And you're going to say the whole thing because I won't let you drive, and we all drown. We all perish. You willing to do that?

I just... I just... I just, look, I just think... For me, personally, I just believe there's a better way to handle every situation. No matter what it is, everything doesn't have to go through the public.

Right. So why can you go to him? Okay, I'm going to keep the child. But this is a funny thing Sometimes Sometimes it's women And I can be on their side They can have a viewpoint on something

And a man can be forcing the issue And they really can't get through to him And getting him to understand Well, I'm giving you the hint On what I really want to do I don't piss me off Now if I can't get through to you Well I'm gonna go

I'm gonna get through you do this way And put everybody else in our business And that's the way to get your attention Right But on the back end, maybe not in this situation, it ends up hurting most in the long run. Or sometimes in the short term, because certain things like that can ruin opportunities.

It can ruin chances. It can ruin the relationship in the beginning. And eventually, you know, when you're young and somebody do some stuff like that, you like, forget you and that child. Yeah, yeah. And so the thing is, and hopefully as he matures, and like I said, he grows up and he understands, that's my offspring.

and I want what's best for him or her. I want a healthy child and I'm going to love that child, even though the child was not conceived or born under ideal circumstances, is here now. My job is to love, cherish, and to make sure it's protected and have the best of what I can provide. Listen, the funny thing about it, everybody love you. Everybody love you when opportunity presents itself and it's convenient.

and it's beneficial. And I had this wonderful saying from a dude, a dude on Twitter, man, Trill A.C. You always said loyalty. Loyalty. Loyalty is nothing but a word in a dictionary. Loyalty is nothing but a word in a dictionary

between opportunity and convenience. As long as there's opportunity and it's convinced, oh, we all loyal. I'm loyal. We all loyal. when it's beneficial. But the minute it's not beneficial,

shit. Well, you know how many women behave themselves based on the individuals that they're dealing with? Because the situation and opportunity that presents itself, with a chance to me find this again are slim to none. So you got damn right, I'm going to act right. Until it's not convenient for the time we to act right.

Oh, you're talking about flip. And then I'm going to flip the script. I act a fucking fool. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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And we've got a new show called The 1021 podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Jose Casca Reels jumped back in and said, Ocho,

Shannon, personality, genuine make me laugh at the stories. On top of the sports talk or clutch, if TV were to limit this great duo, don't do it. We definitely thought about that. And so we're definitely going to be who we are. Unculture Jay said, Unc and Ocho, what are some of the things people don't think you like, but you actually do, movies, TV shows, music, food, etc.

Also, Ocho tried out this new game called The Finals. I think you would enjoy it. The finals, okay, okay. Hey, that's a good question about things that I would like that people would know. I think my taste in music, my taste in the arts. No, no, no, listen, my taste in the arts. I know the chat. Anybody in the chat know about Alvinelli.

I love dance. I love theater. I love Alvinale theater. I love Alvinalee theater. Obviously, my favorite. piece from Alvin Ailey, Revelations. I can do revelations on my, well, obviously, you know, I have a background in ballet and dance anyway, but that's, that's, that's, that's need to hear no there. But, yo, Ms. Judith Jamison and Mr. Robert Battle, I have been a fan of Ailey since 1988.

I was able to see Alvin Ailey at the Gusman Theater in Miami in 1988. My grandma forced me to go. Why are you making me go watch dance? I don't want to go see no dance. I don't want to go see it. No, that kind of dance anyway. No, absolutely. In 88, do you know how young I was? I'm not, come on, man. Boy, Unks, she took me to see Albany Ellie at the Gusman Theater in 88, man. Oh, my fucking God.

You hooked? Hooked. When I just told you, I can do every piece in revelations by heart. Sh, man, love him to death. My musical choice. They hate me when I was playing with the Bengals. whoever gets to the stadium first gets to the speaker

and has a surround sound gets to play what they want to play because you're first and obviously seniority rules based on how long you've been there you walk in there one day I'm playing Sinatra one day I'm playing Andrea Pachelli

playing goddamn one day I'm playing jazz one day I'm playing Beethoven they hated that because I got ready for football games in a different way I couldn't listen to rap I needed to be very calm because I talk shit all goddamn week. Now I got to go out there and back it up. And the last thing I need to be is

rah, right, right, rah, oh, no. Oh no. Shit, boy. Yeah. What's your favorite TV show? Oh, Sanford and Son, good times, Martin, Cosby Show, especially Cosby Show, the episode when Blasito Domingo was on there. I don't know if you remember anything, Bessie Mamucho to Claire Huxable. Yeah. Chat, if you see that, you got, just go to your YouTube and watch that part. Placido Domingo sings Bessim and Cuymico to Claire Huxable and Columbo. If you look at, you know, you notice

on my Twitter, my Twitter, Avey, is a picture of Columbo. Yeah. But with my face, Colombo is my favorite, favorite, favorite TV series of all time. Favorite. Well, I mean, obviously I liked all the good, that was when all the, the All in the Family, the

Jefferson's, and the good times, all those great shows. I forgot Jefferson. If I go, or, I mean, I love Ozark Snowfall Oh, Zon lawyer I love the Lincoln lawyer Snowfall

I'm watching this right now I think it's called the family on BET It's good And Sasha in Paris Yeah Wait the family Is this a family oriented oriented type show?

Yeah yeah yeah It's a It's Ernie Hudson Who's it Ernie Hudson Tammy Rowan Lisa Ray just came on. Michael J. White. I mean, man, look, I only watch it when I go see.

Hey, Tasha, I know you watch it when I go get my nails done at Tasha's. And so she told me I can't watch it. I can't watch it at home, so I only watch it. So it's going to take me probably like three years to watch a season because I only watch it for the hour and a half that I bear. But it's a great show. I really like that show. But I really don't watch a whole lot of TV, Ocho.

If it's not sports, I don't really watch it if it's not sports. Oh man, you got to The uncle, you got to get into it I didn't listen When the pandemic hit When the pandemic hit I used Twitter To get a little bit more

Well cultureed With some things that I hadn't seen I'm not going to see A lot to you I saw the wire When the pandemic hit I sat there and beans Watched the wire

And tweeted the whole Throughout the whole wire Me not realizing Why the fuck is everybody Got them clothes so baggy this shit was filmed way back in the day when I was playing. And I never saw it.

Until the pandemic hit, I used Twitter, what's some good things I could have watched. Ozark. Ozark was... Ozark was... Ozark was... Ruth Langmore and Darlene.

Well, Ruth was the real deal, boy. Darley. But she was the real real. Ruth Langmore and Guy. What about Queen of the South? Did you watch Queen of the South? I did.

Queen of the South was good. That's another one. What else I saw on Netflix? I've watched a little bit. I got them to a little bit of Queen Charlotte, too. Oh, Queen Charlotte. I ain't never heard that one. Yeah.

Queen Charlotte. Hey, did you see beef? You saw beef? I didn't. I didn't. Well, you got to see beef. It's funny. A little comedic, you know, a little fun.

Yeah. Beef is really good. Very, very, very good. Very funny. Very funny. I'm just trying to think what else. Good times. All in the Family.

Hey, you remember the All in the Family episode with Sammy Davis Jr.? I do. Oh. Because, you know, The stuff they used to say back then, Oh, yeah. They say the N-I-G-G-E-R. Oh, yeah.

The hard. I mean, white, but yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. The home and the cracker, they call you all that. I'm like, everything. And we didn't know any better. Yeah.

But, I mean, the times are bothered. They don't say that anymore. They used to say Negro on television. Or speak. They say spick. Yeah, they say all that stuff. Crazy. So you heard the thing, you know, all that really spun off of all in the family.

When you look at the Jeffersons and you look at good times, because Florida Evans was amazing. All of the family. You got always got good times. She was? She was started that. Maud. B. Arthur, maw, yep. All that.

Okay. I ain't know that. I never saw, I never saw Mr. Esterol on, um. Oh, yeah. I know that. Okay. Okay. Uh, oh, Jared Gaither asked, Duncan Ocho, and Family Few.

Which family members are you choosing and who to win? Love the show, fellas. And that's a good one. You know, it's not fair? What? My mama not here. Right. My grandma not here.

Man, you're not taking them on there. I'm just saying, if they were here, you know, rest in peace, those are the type of people that I would need on family feud. My grandma's smart. Oh, she's sharp. She's sharp. Man, they're asking the top. They're asking these questions about today's time, man.

Graney ain't going to be asking them questions. I ain't even thinking about taking my grand and mom on there. No. Who are you going to take? If my sister wants to go, I'll take her, but she's probably going to. I know my kids going to want to go. I know the kids.

They can't crack under pressure. I know my kids. Crack under pressure. Okay. I'm going to take my three kids, so I only got one person left. My brother ain't, my brother ain't going to want to go. You know who I'm going to take? I'm going to take my,

I'm going to take my cousin. I'm going to take mud. I'm going to take semi-out. I'm trying to think. You know, you know how I'm, okay, now let me get deep into my family.

I'm thinking people on family feud, family members of mine that have great critical thinking skills. Right. In precious situations. Yes. I have a cousin. A cousin. Lisa Dingell.

I know Lisa's going to see this. She's a teacher. Lisa's very smart. Brilliant mind. She's going with me. That's one. Real. You got to take rail. Real. Brilliant mind. Very smart.

Very smart. Teaching me a few things because I thought I knew it all. I need two more. I'm taking, I'm taking him a little brother Chauncey. Chonsie, I know you're watching this, baby. I love you. I'm taking my little brother Chauncey. What the kids are going. Nah. Wait, wait. Oh, you know, one of my kids going. I know what you want to go to. Yeah, but the other was going to be mad. They're not going to be mad because they're not going to be able to do it.

They're not going to be able to do it in that type of pressure. situation and having the critical thing and skills to be able to answer on Q very fast like that. My oldest daughter, Jacira. Okay. That's our thing. We have 100 people the top five answer on the board.

They'll be coming up. I don't know what you. I think I might get you. They what? Family feud. Oh, no. Boy, that's what I do by. Jeopardy and Family Feud? Boy, stop playing. Now, you damn, boy, you know, good way, you're not about to beat me in no jeopardy. You.

I used to sit there where I'm deputy with my grandma every day. Ojo, I actually went on Jeopardy and won. Yeah,

but you know, they cheated. Yeah, I actually went on Jeopardy. They gave you the answers ahead of time. They don't get you no answer. They see,

here's the thing, the Ocho, you can't ring in because if you ring in before he asked to finish answering the question, it locks you out.

It locks you out. Oh, for real? It locks you. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's a good one. I like that.

I like that. Uh, T.J. Lsworth asks, what's the best take you've heard from another analyst on either of your show or shows? Ocho, I don't know about you, but I don't really listen to anybody else take.

I listen to it. I listen all y'all. I listen all y'all. I do. I like hearing what you say. I like hearing with Stephen A. The funny, this is what I like about it. Everybody's take is different.

Everybody's take is different. The delivery might be, the delivery might be the same, but the way it's said. The way it's said is completely. completely different, but everybody's saying the same thing at times. Now, I think the person with the worst takes, I love him

to death, I love him to death, that's my guy, but LaShawn McCoy, Hey, but LaShawn funny, boy. LaShawn is so funny, and he'd be dead-ass serious, but he's going to go all the way opposite to everybody else

every goddamn time. But he's funny, man. Hey, he is funny. I listen to Richard Sherman. I listen to Skip. I listen to Orlovsky, Ryan Clark, Swagoo, I like Swagoo. Yeah, Swagoo, nice with it, boy. He nice with it. Oh, Joe, I ain't a lie.

I don't listen to anybody. When I come into the room, everybody, there's no sound on. Right. When I go to work, ain't no sound on. When I go into the green room, ain't no sound on. Right. When I'm home, ain't no sound on. Right. I don't hear what anybody says.

I don't know what they say. Whatever you say, your first thought is always exactly how you feel based on what you seen. Based on what I see. Nobody's going to influence me or change. I might agree. I might disagree. We might be close.

Like you said, we might be close in a lot of what we say. Maybe my wording and how I get to my point is different. But I don't really listen to anybody. Now, having been at ESPN and having met the guys and having gone up against it, you know, Ryan, R.C. and D.O. I've been on once with Swagoo. P.M. Matt McAfee. Saturday, Jeff Saturday. But as far as like listening to what anybody else have to say,

I don't. Yeah, that's a good one. I want my thoughts to be original. Right. Red line 1G says, oh, I'm curious, where you get that necklace from? You stay dripped out. Well, what that is, what? What necklace you're talking about?

I ain't got no necklace on, man. Let me see that. I look like, look it. I saw some rubies. It's a little jelly, little gemstone, a little something. You know. Hey, boy, you can't have money, boy. No, I was going to.

When it's coming and you can't hide it, boy. I see you. Hey, you look good, now. You know, this is the only thing, I mean, this, this and this watch was the only thing I had on when my house got broken into and got robbed all my stuff. Hey, but you had insurance, though, right? Yeah, for sure. Okay, okay, okay. But you know what?

It's not about the insurance. I hate that, man. It's the violation. Right. Of somebody coming in taking your, you know, is. And you know what happened? See, you don't move like that. But when it comes to rappers or entertainers or athletes that always have entourages,

whenever somebody house or some type of place that gets broken into, it's always somebody in your camp. It's always the people closest to you that do it. But with you, that's a different, because you don't move like that. I don't move that. I don't move that. I ain't have nobody. I mean, time is right.

Time ain't in the middle of my house. They've only been. They called who did it? No, they said there's some gangs that's going around. Oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah, I know what you mean. And a lot of there are several houses in this area that had gotten broken into. So it is what it is. Where else we got?

Uncle Winfrey, how do you stop being promiscuous and focus on building meaningful relationships? I've ended several relationships with a woman who were wife material. And how do I work on it? Love y'all. Let me, I, Ocho can ask, ask, answer the question. however he chooses but for me and being where I am in life now it's tough to trust man

it really is it really is and the vetting process that I could have gone through or I should have gone through when I was in college or my first couple of years in the league before I became what I later became it's hard man it's hard

and everybody and even even when things are at their best, when someone gets mad at you, they'll turn. And they'll do things that you're like, I never thought. If somebody, I ought to put everything I own

that you'd have never did this to me. So when someone said, oh, I wouldn't do that. I'm, Ocho, I've been done saying what a person will or won't do. Because you have no idea under circumstances what a person will or won't do. Trust me. Yeah, you don't. You never know.

You never know. And that's the scary part. That's a scary part because human nature, human nature is unpredictable. Yes. Human nature is unpredictable. I don't care how much someone says they love you. Yes. Human error?

Stay with me now. Human error is inevitable. I don't care how much someone says they love you. Yeah. It doesn't matter. We all make mistakes. Yeah. We all do.

And when someone gets, you get married, you can be married with that person five or six years. Yeah. Divorces, divorce is the worst thing because the woman gets half your money and take all the hoo-ha. That isn't a good trade-off, Ocho. It ain't. That's why, that's why, that's why, that's why, that's why, that's why you think I ain't saying that pre-dub? No, I ain't sounding that. No, I ain't sounding nothing.

If at any point, she may decide, you know what, baby, I don't love you no more. I don't feel the same way I did about you six, seven years ago. Well, you know what? If you leave... You got to pay me to leave. You got to pay me to leave. I need hair. I need hair.

And I want the baby. The baby's staying with me. Oh, man. You see, you just try to hurt now. You just trying to hurt. I ain't trying to hurt. I ain't trying to hurt. Why?

He can't take the baby, Ocho. No, because I... That's my responsibility. That's my... That's my responsibility. Huh? Because I also want... I also want spouses support.

Spousal support. So I want the baby with me. So you want child support, to a oh yeah oh yeah you want alabot and child support yeah man the lifestyle that she is provided in the comfort the comfortable lifestyle that i get to live now because i have someone you know that's doing better than me i'm enjoying this and i don't want to lose that lifestyle what i mean they do it to us they do it to us all the time uh wow wow cookie said uncanochio yesterday i let my 16 year old be sean luna go take her rest she was

special. I'm heartbroken. Bro, you ain't got to tell me. You ain't got to tell me nothing about putting dogs down. Wait, what kind of dog? A Bichon-Pri-Zey. Oh, man. Beautiful, white, beautiful white. Yes, yeah. But you cutting up with Coach Prime last night made me laugh through my tears.

Thanks. Up, Luna slept in my bed, no questions asked. Bad, look here. Like I I said, Ocho, and I tell this one of my one of my favorites quotes. Don't, don't do it because you're going to you're going to have me crying again. Now you had me crying last time you talked about them dogs.

Don't do that. Yeah. Oscar Romero once said, he said, some things can only be seen through the eyes that'll cry. Sometimes a person can cry and you don't understand until those very tears have been in your eyes for a very similar reason. So when he said some things can only be seen through the eyes of cry, Caesar Romero, not a Caesar Romero, he's the, he was a, he was a, uh,

Archbishop. I think it's, it's, it's Caesar Romero. Mm. He's an archbishop. Oh, I need some tissue. Well, you, you fuck me up real, but you fuck me up real, boy.

No, I mean, Bojo, you know, look. Hold on, all, man, I need some tissue for real, man. Y'all, y'all, y'all messing up my goddamn mascara, man. Oscar Romero, I thought so, yeah. He's an archbishop, right? Central America. Mm-hmm. Caesar Romero was the guy that played the Joker in the original Batman.

Oh, G. Ocho, you remember how do you do stop number 85? I borrowed that in high school. How do you stop number four? And Ma wrote it on her car. The opposing team sent it, and I felt some type of way. I tore her, you know what up. Mom put you out there. I mean, you're doing all that talking.

She said, I want to see what you, what you about. What, what happened? I missed that one. I missed, I had to wipe my tear. I had the white my tears real quick. He said, O.G. Ocho, you remember how you do the stop 85? Yeah. I borrowed that in high school.

How do you stop number four? And my mom wrote it on her car. The opposing team seen it. I felt some type of way. I tore they, you know what. Oh, so he backed it up. He backed it up. There we go.

That's all to come down to. If you talk is, you got to walk it. Every time. Absolutely. G. Firms says what they do, Ocho, I'm from the city, 79th and 14th. What's up, what? What did they do, home team?

Wanted to ask if you ever made amends with Ray Buchanan. Make amends for what? Well, that's the, I love Ray. He's the real dear. I love Ray. You played against Ray, y'all had problems on the field? Look, in the second Super Bowl, you know, Ray, you have to understand.

Ray was at Indy. So they ain't won Jack. So this is the first time that he's been in the media. This is the first time that, you know, he's going to get some attention. So ain't nobody thinking about Ray. Everybody, we're the overwhelming favorite. We, I mean, we had just snapped the NFCs 14-year reign. So the previous 14th Super Bowl, the NFC won.

And they weren't close with the exception of the 90 Super Bowl in which the Giants, I think the Giants won 2019. All the rest of them have been blowout. 55, 10, 45, 10, 35, this, you know, this, you know, Cowboys won 55, 19 and all. So the game weren't close. We beat Green Bay 31, 24. We're coming back, repeat.

We're about to make history because, you know, Mike told us to say, if you want to be remembered, you got to go back to back. We got to do this thing back to back. So that was on our mind. And, you know, he started popping off, you know, getting a little, you know, he came out there with a dog collar,

talking about they had an underdog. The best thing happened to them, I got hurt. because had I not got hurt, I was going to be the MVP. I was going to tell you. You're going to get a boy that business. Because we had played them the year before.

I went for like five, for a buck, 10 on the tub. Right. Man, we're going to do a number on them because we already knew they was going to gear up to start TD. And so we're going to have to throw the football. John ended up winning MVP.

Rod Smith had an 80-yard touchdown. I mean, yeah, we can't go do a number on them. But I ain't got no problem with Ray. I talked to him. I don't know where he is now. He was in Atlanta a couple of years, you know, after that's happened and he and I, we had a conversation, but we, I ain't got no beat.

Michael Rubin, Robin, says, Ocho, how did you become the goat route runner? He didn't. Hey, that's a good question. That's a good question. Man, working on my craft. You know what's funny? Who doesn't get the credit?

And I'm so glad I can say this. For those there in the chat, the people that might not know, I know there are many football players in here that are watching. The person responsible for my success, and I'm going to say with my rock running, that helped me out, start in 1997, Charles Collins. If you don't know who Charles Collins is, we started something called Phenon Factory back in the day,

back in L.A. When I was in L.A., I lived, you know, obviously back, I lived in the jungles in the third building, right off Coliseum, across from Dorsey. Charles Collins is responsible of my route running He gave me a formula He gave me a formula

With the cones and the ladders And I took that formula And I didn't just work When we had the work And we had to train And I did it over and over And over and over Until it became muscle memory

It became routine Not only did it become routine It became a habit And such a habit Where I was telling people my route right before the snap of the ball in confidence knowing that I would still be I would still be able to get open because they probably thought I was lying anyway. Yeah, they probably thought I'd be lying anyway.

So it was a mind game. It was the, it was a mental game, mental gymnastics, like I call it. And it worked every time. Thought my feet had a mind of the own. I don't, at sometimes I didn't even know it was wrong. I thought they had, they had a mind of the own. And it was, I don't know, it was crazy. But I hone that craft for years for it.

even look like it did once I got to the pinnacle, which I called the NFL. That was a lot of work, man. Shit, not that I think about it. It is. Of course. Oh, my God, that was a lot of work. They say they become great at something. You have to do it for 10,000 hours. Yeah. But you can't stop doing it once you master

the craft. Mm-hmm. That's your art. You know, you know, what happened now when the engine, the engine get a little old, now, that thing don't run like it used to now. You get a little old and beat up. Ocho, but see, that's why you probably was able to play as long as you did play. Because what got me through Ocho is that I understood that my athleticism was going to Wayne. Yeah.

My technique, I wasn't going to be able to be fast. I wasn't going to be able to outrunning everybody. I wasn't going to be as strong as everybody. But if I was technically sound. Yeah. That's going to, why, how do you think Brady? How do you think Manning play all these years when they didn't have the athletic because they never relied on athleticism? This isn't right.

Yes, I did rely on. some athleticism, but I was technically sound. Drop the hips in and out. You know, hey, if I'm running the seven route, I'm going to give you two steps. I'm going to give you two, three steps to the pole. And I'm going to look. Every time.

And then you're going to be right there. And then I'm going right here to the call. And I'm going to the seven. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. There are little things that you do that you get great at. And it becomes second nature.

Yeah. And you can do it in your sleep. Ryan Logan asks, hey, Uncanocho, I'm an aspiring sports analyst, journalist. I just want to know any advice you guys would have in pursuing this career between the love between between, uh, between I love the pod. Um, look, I'm not a journalist. I don't have a journalistic, journal, journalistic background, so I can't tell you if you were to go that route. All I can tell you is this, look, if you believe it and you got facts to back it up saying, yeah, it's really that simple. It's really that simple.

And I really can't answer the question on being analysts. Because they have a problem. I love every goddamn body. I'm too fucking nice. It's hard for me to be critical. So right now I'm not an analyst. I'm just, I don't even know what you call it.

I don't even know the word to call it. I'm so close. You're my home boy. Yeah. I think the issue with me is. You get at it. You get better at it. You know what I think my problem is?

I think the problem is I'm not far enough removed from the game. And I'm so close and still. Boy, you a decade. Yeah, but I'm still engulfed and submerged. Know what you are. When you see them guys, you like with them guys dapping you up. And, hey, Ocho, what are they going to? No, no, no, they're going to let me regardless because it's me.

I'm just, I'm a loving person. Not when you critique that, not when you critique their ass like I do. Huh? Not when you critique their ass like I do. They ain't, they're going to say nothing because it's me. They ain't saying that because of me. No, no, no, no. Ocho.

Because there's a understanding on the way I do critique, but when you critique. You don't, you're not critical. Boy, you be mean, boy. No, you be mean. Listen, if I were playing today, if I was playing the day, and you said some of that, the way you deliver, even though you're being critical and it's your job, it's your job to do that, I ain't going to say nothing. But when I see you, I'm going to go upside your head.

That's how I would have. I'm just saying, that's why I went. No, no, I'm just going to like, hey, Ocho, you need to be better. Yeah. You say you were talking by a receiver and what you gave us today, ain't top five. What you gave it today ain't top 15. Right, right, right.

But sometimes in order to be received, you know, you need 10 others to be able to be top five consistently. That's not what you said. You didn't say I was top five contingent on those other 10th. That's not what you said. That's a good one.

I like how you be in detail. I love how people. I like how you be in detail. I love how people say, I'm this and I'm that. And the minute they're not that, they say, well, it's a team game. Well, you didn't mention it was a team game

when you was bragging. about yourself. Right. Right. That's very difficult though. You know, Prime, you know, Prime told you you know, on how difficult. And I told you before too. And I was, I was gracious in saying that's something very difficult for me to do. And Prime said it last night, oh, Chad, wow, that bad muffing ain't going to talk about nobody. No, I'd never have ever. But you know why? You know why? You know why? Because here's the thing. of the player, the harshest criticism stings. So you are a great player.

So the criticism is going to sting. I was a great player. I'm in the hall. It's going to sting a little more. So they can't use. See, they can't use. Well, you didn't do it when you played. You got Pro Bowls and all pro to back it up.

I got Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, Gold Jacket to back it up. So now what's their critique? Right. So what are they going to say? I don't know what I'm talking about. What did you win? How were you as a player? you better check that all decade to you.

Yeah. Shit, I'm on that too. There it is. So see, and that's the thing. That's what time and out we talk about, like I said, time and I used to talk all the time. He's a, he's a, he's a, oh, you don't understand.

Look at who the criticism is coming from. You're not just some Joe Blow. Yeah. If you Joe Blow, they can blow that off. Well, you don't know what they're talking about. Right. And, you know, the good thing I do like is the players that are being criticized, understand you're being criticized because we hold you to a different standard based on who you are.

Based on who you are. That's letting you know you are that boy. You just not playing up to the standards that we're used to seeing. That's all. Uncle Shee been watching you for years. I grew up watching Ocho tear up the field. Question for you, legend. I have a small YouTube channel 8,000 subs, review, and tech.

What advice do you have to grow my brand and channel? Authenticity. Be who you are. This is who, this is. You got to do something, though. Listen to me. You got to do something to command the eye. I don't know what it is.

You got to do something to command the eye. Don't do nothing crazy. Don't do nothing crazy. But you got to do something different to command the eye. That's it. Once you do whatever it is different to command the eye, boom. It goes from there. Getting them is the easy part.

Keeping them is the hard part. Yeah. Yeah. Because people are trying. And you're never going to get a second chance to make a first time. impression. So whatever you do, whatever you roll out, whatever you roll out, let it be the best. And I'd rather be delayed in delivering something as opposed to be rushed because

you're not going to get those, you're not going to get those people back. Right. And said, man, this was some bulljad or the food didn't taste good. That's not, they're not going to come back. So it was very unique in what we did when we started this channel. But we were all our then excels. This is who we are. Yeah. So, bro, just keep plugging away.

Just be true to who you are. Whatever your brand is, I don't know what your brand is. I think everybody, my brand is discipline. My brand is hard work. My brand is dedication, determination. I like to think I'm professional. And whatever your brand is, that needs to be your brand. time.

My brand is shit. I love you. I joke, but I can get serious based on what the topic is at hand. And the only problem I have with my brand is I curse too damn much. That's it. Jordan B asked which Jordan sneaker is the Jordan is the best Jordan all time, the one or the 11? The ones, of course. The ones.

The 11 has actually taken over as the most popular Jordan. You know, I've got a little something here for y'all. What's that? Oh, that's that pad leather joint. That's the OG. Yeah, all you need, you need a New Orleans Saint jersey with that. Yeah. Man, but here's the thing.

And let me tell you why the levels will win out. Because when Jordan came out with that Concord, that Concord, you remember that Black and White Concord, and then he came with the breads, and then he came with the cool grays. Yeah. Even the Arctic. Ain't nothing touching that.

Yeah. I mean, I love the OGs. You know, the original OGs, the black, white, red, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that's with them, ain't nothing much with them level them now. Funny thing, I don't, I don't, I don't have no Jordans, it's outside of Jordan ones. That's it. Yeah. That's it. I mean, all the, all the, all the basic colors.

I don't have nothing else except Jordan ones. And I like the threes, too. rarely wearing him. And I, you know, I hoopin my ones, right? Yeah, you should. Yeah, I'm hooping my ones. I don't like support. And people like, man, what you doing? You ain't got no ankle braces? I need to feel the floor. I'm weird. It's weird. I need to feel the floor.

You are weird. If I can't feel, hey, if I can't feel the floor, it, it feels like I, when I played, right? You know, you know, I was a reboc. You heard me? Yeah, I heard you. I was a reboc. Ain't no, Reebok made my shoes back then.

I made Reebok take all the lining out my shoe. I ain't want no support. So all it was was a cleat, the shell, and some shoe laces. So it felt like a track spike. So every step I took, I need to feel the bottom of the floor. Did you tape your ankles? Hell not, because that would restrict me and stopping and getting out of my break. Yeah.

I don't want nothing restricting me, man. My ankle, I tape directly to my skin. Oh, okay. I had that mold skin, you know, that brown tape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I taped directly to my skin. Now, that was just on game day. During the week, I used, you know, pre-wrap, didn't get a tape that type.

But boy, no, I couldn't do that. Jordan B says, but the one is the original, the icon. When you say Air Jordan, it's the sneaker that people think of. It is, but it's not the most popular one. So, again, thank you. Thank you for watching another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you click that like button. make sure you hit that

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And, hey, because you know, you know the big game is on Christmas. The 49ers and the Ravens. Ooh, the Ravens. Ooh, the Ravens. So we'll be, we'll be. Hey, defense, defense. Defense, defense. Hey, it's going to be a criminal special.

Yeah, I'm going to be here. I got to be here in Philly too because I got to do. Oh, you do? Yeah, I got to go outside of the NFL on Tuesday. On the Tuesday, yeah. So thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite sports on. Sheldon Sharp, he's your favorite number 85.

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