The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Nightcap - The Bears' Ugly Win, Megan Thee Stallion, Jalen Hurts vs. Lamar Jackson

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Chicago Bears beating the Minnesota Vikings, the Carolina Panthers firing first-year head coach Frank Reich and what it means for Bryce Young, Shannon clears up his comments about Megan Thee Stallion, the guys debate whether they would start their franchise with Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson and much more! 00:00 - Introduction4:10 - Bears beat Vikings13:15 - Shaq Lawson apologizes20:00 - Frank Reich fired29:00 - Deebo Samuel vs. Eagles45:00 - Megan Thee Stallion Talk1:00:00 - Unc loves to brush his teeth1:25:00 - Hurts or Lamar?1:29:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, Joe. And so you know what that means, right? We're having our massive giveaway tonight, $20,000, $40 different people. We'll be running the giveaway in four different parts. So keep your head on a swivel. So we're going to do 10, about 15 minutes in, another 10, another 10, another 10. So make sure, make sure you listen. Remember, listen to understand. Don't listen to. Don't listen to. respond, listen to understand. We're going to tell you what you need to do to make sure you get your money. Okay? We want to thank you. Ocho and I want to really, really thank you for helping us get to this number, helping us grow as fast as you have. Please make sure you click that subscribe button. Make sure you hit that like button. Also, we may have say, are we going to have it? We got it up. Shea. Yeah. And we also have Shea by Laporteur, PIN, that the top. It is back in stock. So the holidays are right around the corner. So make sure you go get yourself or someone special a bottle. So remember, we're having our massive giveaway tonight,

$20,000, 40 different people. We will give it away in four different segments, 10 individuals at a time. 10, 10. Listen. So please. Listen. Matter of fact, before we even start, you know what, you know what I think we should do? Only, only if we get hit a million, If we can hit a million subs before January, because we're already in December. If we could hit a million subs before January, how about, how about we do this, right? How about we act like Oprah and give away a car? If we could hit a million subs before January, how about we give away a car? I'm talking about something efficient, affordable, where they, and obviously not where they have to make any payments,

but all that we have to do is cover their insurance. Well, they're going to have a pay the taxes a little bit of both. Well, God, I'll cover the taxes then. I cover the taxes. But if we can hit a million subs, if we can hit a million subs before January, a car. And I'm standing on business about that.

Y'all know I don't play my right hand of God. Somebody going to get a car. If we hit a million subs before January, and I guarantee you that. And that's so Mary had a little lamb in Jesus sandals. All right. All right. Well, you don't put aside there now.

It's half of your show. so, you know, out of the best ride to listen to you and let you drive, and we're in the middle of nowhere now. I know I should have put that navigation. One thing, the only person behind is wheel is Jesus. Man, look here. I know I should be trusted you. Gave you to mic and you just started talking crazy.

You don't have told all the business. Man, okay, y'all heard it. Get us to a million subs by January the 1st and we're going to give away a car. And Ocho will go put the taxes on it. That's fine. We'll give away a car. We're going to give away a car, ladies and gentlemen.

Give us to a million subs by January 1st. We're giving away a car. All right, let's get into tonight's action. The Bears v. DeVikes 12 to 10. Entered the night, the Chicago Bears had lost 22 straight games in which they trailed at any point in the fourth quarter. Justin Fields, 27 to 37, 217 yards. Joshua Dobbs was 22 or 35.

He had a bunch of turnovers, 185 yards, four picks, four, have three, they probably win the game easily. Two, they run away with it. But what was something

your takeaway tonight? Listen, I love both teams. I love old quarterbacks. I love Dobb, I love Justin Fields, but it was the snooze fest. It was a snooze fest. It was the defensive game.

Obviously, the interception didn't make it any better. Drop ball, drop ball, going into other players' hands, both sides of ball, the half, it was three, three. Nothing was going on. Nothing, I mean, they were moving the ball, somewhat efficient up and down the field, but there was no scoring. Three field goals a night, what, three, three, free goals or four field goals to win the game? Four, four field goals on a

touchdown. No, actually it was five field goals in a touchdown. Five field goals in a touchdown. Like, come on, that's not we'd be signed up for, especially for a primetime game, a Monday night game, something that we all look forward to. Something about the slate of prime time games have been very, very boring, very lackluster, outsource. side of was it Thursday night or was it Sunday night

with the Beatles and Eagles. Oh, you're talking about feeling and Buffalo? That was a great game. That was a great game. That was Sunday afternoon.

And then have to, then have to, oh, the Sunday afternoon, didn't have to, you know, be succumbed to the game tonight. Like, you know, it was unfortunate.

Again, Dobbs, you can't win a game. You can't win a game like that. You can turn the ball over that many times and overcome it. You preach it and you harp on it all the time about turn the ball over

like that. and on the other side of the ball, I mean, the Bears, the Bears played phenomenal defense. They played great defense, especially for them to turn the ball over that, for the Viking to turn a ball over that many times, I would have liked for the Bears to have run away with this game. It shouldn't have come down to a field goal at the end.

It definitely shouldn't have came down to a field goal. Yeah, I agree with you. But I think the thing was, Ocho, when you look at this game, when they set matchup from Monday night, which is a year in advance, the VIC, I'm sure, ESPN, telecast the game was expecting.

to get Kurt Cousins, and they were expected and Justin Jefferson, and they were expecting to get a much improved Justin Fields. And so that's what you're expecting. Well, you don't always get what you expect. You know what I'm saying? So up to hey. And so I think that was the case. Joshua Dobbs has kind of bounced around.

And I think sometimes you see, I mean, he can show you flashes, but I think tonight shows you why he's bounced around, why he's had so many stops in his league. But, you know, you're asking an awful lot, A guy that's just, he's been there probably less than a month. Three weeks. So to come in and play extremely well. He had flashes.

He has, he had some flashes, but you've got to protect the football. I mean, you're not that, you're not that good of a football team to overcome those kinds of mistakes. And, but give their defense credit, like you said, he turned the ball over four times and they only gave up three, well, they only gave up three field, or four field goals. So the, the Vikings, Danelle Hunter is having an unbelievable season. they still, they played hard, but it's hard for you to overcome those kinds of mistakes. Justin Fields, on the other hand, the turnover. Again, pummel the ball twice.

He allowed them to get back into the game with that. You've got to protect the ball. You know, the funny thing about it is, I think more so he's protecting the ball. If you see him, you can see him cover up with the ball. But the funny thing, the defensive player laying the hat in the right place at the right time, and it still came out anyway. He still came out anyway.

Them guys are really good. The thing is now, Ocho, wasn't so much when we, I mean, occasionally they did it, but they have drills now. They know how to punch that ball out. They'll put their helmet right on the ball. So even if you got it nice and tight,

guys are come in and punch it out or you're trying to cover up, guys are come in and put the helmet on the side and it goes squirting out. So give those guys credit. They found a way to get the ball out from Justin Fields. And it probably wouldn't even been a game if he could have held onto the ball,

but it allowed Minnesota to get the ball and score a touchdown. So, yeah, it wasn't the most entertaining game, but, you know, somebody, I'm sure the bear said, hold on, to go on the road and to win a ball game, given their history, especially in the fourth quarter, being behind at any point in time, and to find a way to win the ball game,

maybe that gives them some confidence. But I thought also, now I know he's been injured with that thumb, Justin Fields, but I definitely was expected him to take that next step and get, because his legs, you see what happened with Jalen Hertz? Jalen Hurts had unbelievable legs, but in the offseason, he got better and better and better at throwing the football. So now he is a really a dual threat because he can beat you either or.

And I think that's the next step in order for Justin Fields to be, and I don't know, I don't think he's going to be in Chicago. I really don't because it looks like the Carolina Panthers are going to have the number one pick, which means that's going to go to the Chicago Bears. Yeah, but oh, so you think Caleb Williams? Caleb, Caleb Williams has a high, he's have, they're saying he's going to have one of the higher grades for a quarterback that's come out in a very long time. I don't see how they, they passed it up once.

You know, you could have had C.J. You could have had Bryce. I don't believe they do it again, Ocho. Because guess what you can do, Ocho, you could really, I can, I can, hey, you want Justin Fields? They're like 10, 15 teams that need. Justin Fields. Hey, I can get another first round pick. Plus, I'm in the top 10 myself. The Bears got their own pick. So you mean to tell me I might be able to have three top 10, top 15 picks. Tell me I can't build something with that, old joke. You can. It can.

Maybe I take, maybe I take what, maybe I take that ladder pick for Justin Fields and I traded and get me a veteran player. I like, I like that. I like that. But again, I'm going to go back to what Caleb Williams said. I don't even know if he really quoted this or did he really mean to say what he said earlier about obviously whatever team draft me, I'm going to want some type of capital

in the team. The NFL's not doing that. They won't allow that. They'll make you, they'll make you divest any part. I mean, they're not giving up a part of the team. They're not going to start that precedent.

The NFL is not one for starting precedents. I don't think any professional league will allow a current player to have an, ownership state in a team. Because remember they made Brady, I mean, Brady had the vest. I think he tried to, what was it?

The, oh, the Dolphins. Remember they tried to run that little backdoor deal? That's what got everybody in trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Brian Flores, yeah. They said, oh, no, that's not going to happen. You come play quarterback. We'll give you a little percentage of the team.

We'll keep that hush-hush. No, sir, huh? No, you're not. Yeah, but you got to remember, he also said, I don't know if it was him talking or maybe his family members talking. He was saying, depending on the team that would have the number one pick,

I would even subject myself to going back to USC for another year if the team is that bad. Football too dangerous. It's too dangerous as a game. You're going to run the risk of tearing an ACL? You're going to run the risk of breaking the leg? Or you're going to take $40 million in your hands, Ocho.

I just want to know what Ocho will do. Listen, I obviously, you know, I would come out. But when a player like that, when a player says something like that ahead of time, before it's time to get into the traffic. They're trying to scare teams off. You think so? Ocho, you know, you'd be saying, do it again and see what happens.

Right. You don't really want them to do it again. Right. You're really trying to scare them off and deter them from doing said what they did to begin with. Right. And I think that's what Caleb Williams. He's trying to deter. Ocho, you're not going to the Cowboys.

You're not going. When you're the number one pick, you're not going to a question. Right. You're not going to a quality team. That's the reason why they got the number one pick. If they were any good, they wouldn't have the number one pick. This is not like basketball. Basketball, the Lakers, won the NBA title one year.

Right. It didn't get James Worthy. Yeah. Yeah. They won the title of 82 and got James Worthy. How you do that? Right. Yeah.

That's totally unfair because then obviously you get situations like Bryce Young. I'm sorry to go off topic right now. No, go ahead. Go ahead. We go there. You get situations like Bryce Young where. a young fella, he's the number one picking a draft. And I love the Panthers.

I love them on both sides of the ball. But there's really nothing for them to work with. Obviously, Frank Wright, we get on, you know, we getting on that in a minute anyway. So I'm not going to stop. I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop. Yes. Okay, we saw what transpires.

Shack Lawson apologizes for shoving the Eagle fan. He just got to let it go, knowing his frustration. Both Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips wrote on Instagram that a fan threatened them and their feelings in a situation that escalated throughout the game. Lawson later apologize for the Shub while saying certain lines

should not be crossed. Right. What's your takeaway on that, Ocho? I mean, listen, you know, fans have to remember that we as athletes, especially when it comes to our family, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't cross that line. There's a certain

line that you don't cross a certain line that you just don't do when it comes to you can heckle, you can say what you want. Don't touch. Don't get anybody's face. Don't be disrespectful. And And half of the time, the fans do this stuff purposely, simply for a money grab. Simply because if you touch them, you do anything to them, you shove them, you push them, oh, I'm hurt. Oh, my neck.

Oh, my back. Simply. That's all that comes down to it in the day. If you're not a fan of a certain player, you know, enjoy it. I mean, me, me, for example, I love the trash talk. I love you saying stuff about, I love your cursing it. I enjoy that. Everybody's not the same, especially when it comes to people's family and people's kids.

There's a line you have to draw because they will lose it and forget that they are a part of the NFL or part of the NBA. They will forget that really quick when it comes to family. Yeah, family is a line that you shouldn't cross. You start talking about somebody's wife or somebody's significant other, somebody's kids. Yeah, that's a green light. They become very protective. And I don't know why you would go to the game and talk about someone's family member in that manner. Because you wouldn't want someone to come to your.

your place of employment and talk to you. Now, I understand. You know, you want to cheer, you want to say I suck. You want to say I boo me. I like that. Because the more you boo me, that tells me the better I am. You don't boo, you don't boo special teams players. You don't boo guys that don't, that's not dressed out.

Right, right, right. You boo the really good players. And the louder you boo, you're telling me I must be really good. And I'm okay with that. Right. But when you start calling me a BITCA and Mold 4 and all that, bro, hold up. Now, come on now. Yeah.

I didn't sign up for that. And so I think sometimes fans get carried away. And they's like, well, if you paying me a million dollars, I should be able to say whatever I won't. And you should be able to take, no, no, it doesn't work like that, guys. It really doesn't. And I don't know why you would, I mean, just because your job doesn't subject you to that,

I mean, I wouldn't go to somebody's place of work. And no matter, like I said, you know, we were talking about tip service. But I'm not going to call nobody out their name. I'm not going to say, oh, you this or you that. That's not what I'm going to do, but hey, you know, sometimes fans, you know, and plus, Ocho, you got to realize now, a lot of these fans probably showed up an hour, two hours before the game. And they've been, they've been probably had a couple of drinks, a couple of beverages, right, along the way. So two hours before the game, and now you're going through a threat. So you've been there five hours.

Right. And you've been throwing a couple of them things back. Right. Yeah. And now all of a sudden, you got that curbing in. Yeah, you're feeling good. That liquid curf. You're feeling good.

You're feeling invincible. And I think if we were to ask, let's say, if you'd align up 100 people, you're, If it was a line of 100 people and ask fans, how do you feel about heckling of players? They would all probably agree, probably agree, they should be able to take it. They make millions of dollars. That's everybody's first crusher that they lean on is they make all this money.

They should be able to withstand, you know, hey, sticks and stole and they break my bones, but words don't. But still, you come to somebody's job. Yeah. You're coming to somebody's job, you know, have fun, enjoy it. Talk your train. Just don't get disrespectful and cross certain line that you know you wouldn't want anybody doing to you. Right.

Because you know, Ojo, you know you probably have to buy five or six beers. You probably look like, man, Joe and Phillips and Shaq Lawson, they don't look that big. Like, I could take them. I'm there, hey, Ojo, you know, you start like, hey, it ain't that big. I mean, he got pants on. So probably in real life, they probably ain't that, they're probably not that big. Yeah. And you start, like, trying to convince yourself.

Hey, hey, you. Yeah. Look at me. I'm talking to you. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you be a walking up on the ass cutting and don't even know it. Don't even know it. But like I understand fans, you want to go and you want to have a good time and I'm okay with that.

But like I said, there are certain lines, no matter what it is, there are certain lines that you shouldn't cross. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Oh, wait. Okay. Here it is, Ocho. For our first giveaway tonight, you have six. seconds to enter your email into the chat.

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Good luck. Frank Wright was fired after going, One in 10. Ocho, I kind of think we kind of knew this was coming. What he's supposed to do, man? What Frank's supposed to do, man? What is Frank supposed to do? What is Frank Wright supposed to do?

You got the number one pick. You draft Bryce Young. Yeah. You draft Bryce Young. He comes to a team, right? Reports are you want to C.J. Stroud. But again, the owner, David Tapper, wanted Bryce Young. But this is the problem.

This is the problem with that. I don't care if you had C.J. Shrow, I don't care if you had, maybe he had a little lamb. I don't care if you had Wright Young. What you see right now are the same results you were going to get, regardless of who you have at the helm, when you don't have the proper players surrounded by that said player. I totally agree on Joe. You know, at no disrespect to anybody that plays for the Panthers.

I'm just saying what you're seeing as a result of not having the said product necessary to compete at the level. and they have to build. They have to build. I hope, I God, God forbid. I hope Panthers fans understand is going to take time. They have to build a team around Bryce Young so we can see the same results we saw from him when he was at Alabama.

Yeah, I think the thing is, Ocho, but what happens is David Teper is a guy that doesn't have very much patience. Oh, you got to. You got to. Well, he doesn't seem to understand that because he had Matt Rule on the payroll and then he had a great situation with Steve Wilkes.

Steve Wilkes came way halfway through the season. They played extremely well. Right. But he wanted names. He liked names. He's looking to make a splash. And Steve Wilkes didn't have the cachet or didn't have the name. Right.

So all of a sudden, he wasn't as appealing. Well, appealing, that doesn't work. Nah. You better get somebody that knows that can relate to these players that has a good system. Right. And probably, you probably should have got a defensive coordinator. so you can run the football and play to your defense. But like you said, Bryce Young doesn't have a Nico Collins.

He doesn't have a Tankdale. He doesn't have a Laramie Tunsell. He doesn't have the pieces around him to be successful like a CJ Stroud. And so with that being said, you shouldn't expect the same level of success. But I think the thing that what really irked the owner, David Tapper, was no offense of improvement. it seems to be like they were regressing as opposed to I'm not saying, oh Joe, that we go out there

and we win, you know, we five and they're one and ten. Right, right, right. Let's just say, but the sake of argument, they're five and six. Yes, sir. But it seems like week after week, the offense regresses. Right.

And so when there is no progress, progress, it seems to be regressed. So now what do we do? Yeah. But they fired the head coach. You fired, you fired Josh McCown. You fired the quarterback coach. So why you didn't find the offensive coordinator if you're 1 in 10?

Well, Frank White wasn't called the office of plays, was he? Yes, probably so. Okay, okay, okay. He was. Yeah, that's his expertise. And probably that's how he was able to get the job. Right.

Because he called the plays. Okay. Yeah. So. I have a question. I have a question. You would probably be better suited to answer that for me because I don't, you know, my knowledge across the NFL, I don't know.

How many head coaches actually called the offensive plays? Oh, how many head coaches are offensive-minded and also call the offensive plays? I would say... What percentage you think? Well, Mike McCarthy let Kelly Moore go, so he calls the plays. Right. Kyle Shanahan, he calls the plays.

Sean McVeigh, he calls the plays. Andy Reed, he calls the play. Okay, that's three. The guy in Cincinnati, your head coach, he calls the plays. Zach Taylor called the plays? Yeah, Sean Payton calls the plays. Josh McDaniel was calling the plays. So I would literally have to go.

Sarian, oh, well, Brian Debaugh of the Giants, he gave up the play calling. Ron Rivera doesn't call the plays. Eric B. Enemy calls the plays. Okay. So let's go to the Pete Carroll doesn't call the plays. Sean McBay does. Does the guy in Gannon. Gannon is a defensive guy, so he doesn't call the plays in Arizona.

You know what the funny thing about it is? Think about all the head. Think about all the offensive mind of head coaches that you just named. What are all their offenses doing? Very, very well. All of the, all the offenses, all of, Shanahan, McVeigh offense on fire. Zach Taylor offense was on fire. Obviously, we had a slow start.

Now Joe, Joe Burrow being out. Good thing, yeah. There was two more you said. I can't remember the names. I'm talking about. But you just see what I'm saying. But all those teams offensively, they are structured to work and be efficient. In Carolina, they don't have that.

They don't have it. But also, Ocho, they have veteran quarterbacks. You got a rookie. Okay, okay. That's right. That's right. Russ is a veteran. Patrick Mahomes is a veteran.

Matthew Stafford is a veteran. Right. I mean, so, come on now. So even though Josh McDaniels got fired, Jimmy Garoppolo was a veteran. veteran. So, yes, you got veteran quarterbacks and you got offensive-minded guy, although Brock Perkins in his second year, but he's not a rookie. Right. And he was a starter last year. Right. So with that being said, I mean, it takes some grace, but David Tapper seems to be a guy that if it doesn't work right away or immediately, he's willing to like, okay, boom, tear it up.

But I guess when you got $8, $9 billion, oh, you can do that. Yeah, but listen, I think he He has to understand the nature of the business, the nature of the beast when it comes to the NFL. You can just pull right away like a deck of cars and reshuffling and think you're gonna have a hand that you can play. It don't work like that. You're gonna have to have patience.

You got a rookie quarterback. You have to bill and put pieces around that quarterback. One solid offense alignment. One solid. Obviously, you want it to be your left tackle. Somebody really good. All things would be unique when you want your left tackle. You need one solid receiver, a security banker where you could close your ass.

and no, nine times out of ten, I can come to his ass on first, second, or third goddamn down. Then work your defense. Runnerbacks, you know how they feel about running backs right now. You could pull and pull in any which way you want and get somebody that's efficient. But that takes time. I could just sit here and call it out on what you need to do,

but in order to do it the right way, it takes time. Yeah. You look at the Houston, Texas, and C.J. Strau, they got the highest-based. left tackle at the highest paid offensive line of the footballer Laramie Tunsell. And probably the best left tackle in the game outside of, what's the young fellow over there with the Cowboys? They're West 77. Oh, you like Tyrant Smith?

And you know you got, hey, you got that big, that big boy out there in San Francisco. And Trent Williams. Brother Trent Williams. That's the top three, right? Yeah, for sure. That's the top three. Oh, my goodness. For them boys, them boys good.

Yeah, they move some. The boys good. Yeah, they move some. I mean, Trent's a 10-time pro bowl. I think Tyron Smith is a seven, eight time pro bowler, many time all pro. Yeah, but look at look at the cowboys. I mean, the Cowboys got an all pro, a guy first battle of hall of fame in Zach Martin. Yeah.

They got a left guard. They drafted that exceeded everybody expectations. He looks like a mini, a mini Larry Allen. And you got Tyrant Smith. Yeah. But you have to have, you have to give a Bryce Young time. You got to give him protection and you got to give him weapons. Yeah.

And he doesn't have any, he doesn't have any weapons. he doesn't have an offensive line that can protect it. Bryce Young, the Panthers on Sunday scored 15 of fuel points for the fifth straight times, seven time and 11 games. Bryce Young ranks last in QBR. He's been sacked 40 times, tied for fifth player through his first 10 starts. Since sacks were an official stat, sacks were first tracked in 1963. They didn't become an official stat until 1982.

That's crazy, man. That's crazy. I mean, people've been second to quarterbacks for a long time and didn't get crazy. for it. Yeah. He'll, he's going to be all right, though. He's going to be all right there. For one, for one, he's coming from a program where he's used to winning. He has a winning mentality. All they have to do, put the pieces around him. Obviously, Alabama is stacked. They stacked all across the board. And if you get to the NFL, it ain't the same. No. It ain't the same. No. While we all love watching our favorite teams on television, there's nothing better than being

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Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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Debo Samuel says he doesn't regret calling James. calling James Drainms Bradbury the 4th, trash ahead of his massive week 13 showdown. Back in the offseason, Debo had some words for Bradbury, said he was trash. Debo was asked on Monday, did he regret calling him Bradbury trash? He said, I don't regret anything. I don't regret nothing I say.

Debo was upset how the 49th had lost to Philly. Remember, Brock Purdy heard his elbow, and then Josh Johnson got knocked out of the game with a concussion. Yeah. And the Eagles coasted to a 317 victory. because they ended up snapping the ball directly to Christopher and a lot of other things. But basically, the two starting quarterbacks got knocked out of the game and left them limited. Debo say we lost because we played with 10 people.

I ain't going to keep going on about it. What could have happened or what should have happened. But yeah, it was definitely a better different outcome if we're healthy. So what's your takeaway on Debo? I like it. I like it. This is what we need. This is what the NFL has been missing.

We've been missing a little bit. Obviously, you go out there and play, you got the product on the field, you got people celebrating, you got people having fun, you got people dancing, you got choreography, but we don't have no goddamn trash talk. We don't have no trash talk. We don't got no players going at each other. We don't have no personal arguments like we had when I was playing doing my era where there were certain people that literally didn't like each other and really meant it. It's like having food with no goddamn seasoning. What Debo Samu just did is he added food to the seasoning. So now guess what everybody going to be doing?

Guess what everybody going to do when they play? Everybody going to be tuned in because you want to see what Bradbury does. You want to see what Debo does. It makes the game fun and exciting. Even if they are serious from the outside looking in, now as a fan of the game, I love this. I love it.

This is something that this is a dynamic part of the game that has been missing. That was great in the 80s. It was great in the 90s. It was great in the early 2000s. But it's a lost art that players don't do it. There's somebody don't like. Come out, let them know,

and then go out there and back up your talk. Well, they're too busy exchanging jersey after the game. So, I mean, come on, Ocho, man. They took this too far. I mean, everybody, you want everybody's jersey, bro? You ain't exchanged jerseys? When we went to the Pro Bowl. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

I mean, back, you got to realize, bro. And helmet. Yeah. You know, you would, every once in a while, hey, Sean, let me get that. Okay, fine. But helmets was the thing, but I don't, I don't, I didn't, I'm trying to think. The only jersey I ever swapped was my last year in Baltimore, but this was after the game.

Right. I mean, we're in the tunnel, and Ray and I exchanged jerseys. Yeah. But, nah, not on the field and not after every game. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I mean, in my basement, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't everybody jersey. Well, you got my jersey in your basement?

But I ain't got, I'm trying to say. I think I got my suit, excuse me, I got my super, excuse me, I got my super, Bo jerseys. Then you had to throw that in there on me, huh? Yeah, but that's all I got up there. In far as jerse, I got raised, I got raised, and I got Payton's. Payton's a Bronco jersey. Why ain't, man, you, you, you, oh, show, I was gone.

I mean, what you're saying? It don't matter. You should have my jersey hanging up just because, just because I'm your boy. I just told you, man, y'all be, I mean, the Bengals come to the Pro Bowl, y'all be begging to play people to take that hell. Man, as a matter of fact. Yo, she over here laughing a little too loud, man. As a matter of fact, I got Sill Piggins.

Sleham Piggins couldn't find nobody. He said, man, Shark, just take it. I said, all right. I said, because I'm not trained, you know, because you know the hot helmets, the Cowboys and the Raiders. Oh, yeah. Everybody won the Cowboys and the Raiders. Especially back then.

Yeah, but everybody wanted. And Emmett didn't trade his helmet. Time didn't really trade his helmet. No. No. Because if I'm not mistaken, I think anybody wore the same helmet, damn this whole career. man emma

emma didn't really get up nothing no gloves no shoes you know the dude kept every touchdown ball he scored and he scored damn a hundred to 70 times you know you know what's funny not that you think about it man I think I really messed up

I really messed up and when I was playing as far as keeping memorabilia and having memories the past man I ain't got shit man I didn't like I ain't got no jerk I ain't got no footballs.

Like some of the props I used for celebrations. I don't know what my Hall of Fame jacket is because that's the only one of McGit. I would love to have that and frame it and create my own bus to have my own bus made. Like I don't have nothing. No, no, I scowled a few touchdowns. I ain't got one goddamn ball.

I went to the Pro Bowl six, seven times. I don't remember how many times. I ain't got, I only know my Pro Bowl shit at. I don't have no memorabilia. Oh, no. I think that's bad. I think that's bad. If I look back on it and I look at some of the guys that I went to the Pro Bowl with.

One year it was Montana was my quarterback. I think it was Montana, Elway, Marino. I mean, like two years in a row, I had Elway, Marino, Montana, Warren Moon. It didn't get anything. Bruce Smith, Junior Seow, DT, Cortez, Kennedy. You know, all the guys, obviously the NFC, you have. had rest of this old Reggie White. I mean, you had the dogs over there, man.

Yeah, but you look, y'all was planning. I don't, I mean, I don't, you know, I didn't even done. I would have took everybody stuff. Like, do you realize the names you just called off? Yeah, right. Hey, but I remember the first time I went, my brother, my brother went, and I was just, I was in the lead, but I was just, he's like, hey, my sister had went the year before.

Right. And then I went the next year, and man, I went over there, and I was just looking around, you know, Jerry, I mean, Jerry, Michael, Chris Carter, Herman Moore, my brother, Reggie and Bruce and DT and Sayout. Man, I mean, and the quarterback, you know, you had Steve and Troy, Brett Farr. I mean, bro, I mean, but it didn't really dawn on me until it was too late. Yeah. My last year, my last year at the Pro Bowl, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady was there.

Nothing. That's crazy. But at the time, it's not like it is now where guys are understanding or collectibles and me. Right. It didn't even, it didn't have done. Oh, Dionne was the corners. Dionne, Rod Woodson, Anius Williams. Aeneas.

Arizona. Yeah. You were nice. D.G. Darrell Green was all. Yes. I'm messed up. I'm messed up.

So it's not, you know, 11, 10, 12, whatever years removed I am from the game. now I wish I should have kept some of that stuff and I don't know what it is. I'm somebody out there if you see this and you have my Hall of Fame jacket, my replica, I would like it back. You know, that's a keepsake for me. And if I'm going to have some frame,

I would like to frame that because that's a one-on-one. Yeah. Barry, I mean, Barry, Emmett was the running backs. I mean, we can't. Well, you had Barry and Emmett was there? Yeah. You didn't get them from Barry?

Nope. Nope. Nope. I mean, but here's the thing. Barry barely came down. you might see Barry once or two. It was hard because when we first started going, it was at the Hilton, Hawaiian. Yeah.

It wasn't secluded like it was at the Iolani. Right. The Yolani was nice. Yeah. Yolani was nice. The Ialani, it was all basically people over there is family or friends of family. Right. At the Hilton, Hawaii, it could be anybody because it was open.

You just, you know, you just go. Right. And so guys didn't want to be bothered. So they were just like secluded, you know. So, but no, I didn't even think I didn't even think about it, Ocho. But I agree with you. I like Debo what Debo had to say

because it's not like they're going to call the game because he said a little, and it's not like they're going to play harder if he said a lot. Not, right. The game got to be played. Yeah, no matter. Whether you like me or not, I'm still going to show up. So you don't, oh, we're going to punish you.

We're going to make him eat the words. That's what I'm here for. Yeah. Most definitely. I hate coaches that say, don't give another team bullet to board material. don't do anything that's going to make them play better. Play what?

Play who? Play who? What you talk about? They put their pants on one leg at a time like me. They bleed the same way I do. So, you know, why not talk trash? All you got to do is back it up. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

And that is what the game is missing. NFL players, if you see this, we got maybe what, six, seven more weeks ago, start talking shit. Call somebody out. Call somebody out. Hold on you said, Coach. Hey, babe. You didn't let me get no kids.

You didn't let me get no kiss or nothing. Check this out. Rale said she's sleep. No, she just, she just flew in. Oh, did she? Yeah. Come in, baby. Get some sugar.

Get some sugar. Hey, um, how you doing? Hey, Ralph. Yeah, that's my baby right. Yeah. Hold on you. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You blushing. I can't tell. But are you. I know you are, though. Okay, come on.

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Hey, I sat courtside, baby. I sat courtside. Although it wasn't a very good game, you got an opportunity to see competition at its highest level, although the Lakers' effort left a lot to be desired. So what was kind of your takeaway from the game? Listen, I had fun. I had fun, uh.

Listen, I wasn't worried about the score of the game. I was watching boys. You know, I was watching the pick and roll. I was watching Maxie. Maxie were hitting threes. Boy, that boy, that boy, they're good. Everybody was hitting three. The Lego.

Listen, the young fella, what's the young fella name? Joila Bede? Yeah, Embeddee. Yeah, Embed, nice. You know, him and A.D. was going at it. They was battling. But them boys, boy. Yeah, they're all.

You see how tall them boys is that person? Yeah. Yeah. I've seen LeBron. I've seen, you know, Pat Beav out there playing defense on Austin Reed. Austin Reed. Austin Reed, nice with it. You know that?

For sure, for sure, yes. Austin Reeve, I know where he grew up. I knew he grew up around, you know, some of them people because he played like one. Kobe of the Ozarks. Oh, yeah. Well, he played that one of us. Listen, I'm not a huge, and I can say this. I'm not a huge fan of the game of basketball.

But having the opportunity, I go to one heat game a year. This was my first game this year, obviously, and I haven't been to a heat game yet, but being able to sit courtside at a game like that, LeBron, A.D., Maxie, Pat Bev, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the experience. I had fun. And the score line didn't even matter to me. I was just happy to be at the game, sitting close enough

to see the players play, and thought, to be the size that some of these dudes are, and to be able to move and be as quick and be as efficient as they are, being able to transition and come off the pick and pull up in the mid-range, this night. It was beautiful. And I need to get more into it, more in tune to the game of basketball. So I can talk about it the way you can or the way Stephen A. Smith can.

The same way I can talk about football, soccer, boxing and tennis. I'm going to get there, but it's going to take me about three, four years, I think. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, did any of the guys acknowledge you? Yeah, yeah, LeBron said, what's up? LeBron said, what's up? Joel said, hello. Pat Bev, Pat Bebv came over and said something to me. DeAngelo Russell came over and hollered at me.

So AD gave me the ad because he was sitting at the free throw line. He couldn't actually come over, but they did acknowledge me. That was a pretty dope feeling. One of the head coaches, the assistant coach, I can't remember his name. From the Lakers? Yeah, from the Lakers. He almost looked like Catino Mobley, but it ain't Catino Moble because he didn't have to fear. Oh, yeah, I know.

You know what I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he came a week. We talked for a little bit. Do you know how many people in that stadium? I was walking through said, man, we love watching you and um. What you and Ung do, DeAng, Russell mentioned the same thing, but what you and Ung doing, man, it's special, man.

I love watching y'all, as did the coach. Coach said, man, you got to come on down here to L.A., you know, and come check us out. I say, coach, I love you, baby. But have you seen the prices for the course size season in L.A.? He said, you ain't even got to come to a game. Come hollad us at practice. Come watch a practice. Come and kick a word.

I say, you know what, when I come out of L.A., I'm going to make sure I'm a hold you to that. Yeah. Hey, Patrick Woolley asked, hey, Uncan Ocho, you guys said you wouldn't mind trying different cuisine, but have y'all had escargo? You know what escargo is? Who? Escargo. Like snails.

Cargo? Escargo. Snails. You know, when you was a kid and they had them in the aquarium? Yeah, those. You talk about snails, like when it rain and snails, you're going by the same. to drive through when they leave the little slippery, little slime. Yeah.

Wait. Wait, come back to me now. You can eat those? Yes, you can. There's a certain type of snail, I'm assuming, because there's so many different species of snails. Yes, yes, yes. They can eat those. Huh? They can eat those. I ain't eat no snail. I don't want no snail, man. Whoa, if you, you

eat, you eat pig feet? Yeah. Raccoon soup? Yeah. Big time. I didn't have had a raccoon soup. The raccoon that I've had, It was baked. It wasn't no soup, Ojo. It was just baked.

It was baked. You eat baked raccoon. That makes any goddamn better? Barbecue. Does that make any better? But you won't eat snail. No. Once you cross the line,

you might as well just eat every goddamn thing. Honestly. No, no, no. Whoa, Ocho, you're on your own now. You're on your own. Because you already do, you already know what you would do. You already told me about the toes. Yeah, daddy, but the toes is the bare goddamn minimum.

Hey, that's the, that's the toe is the bare minimum. Oh, Joe. them. Ocho, a slip of the tongue ain't nobody fault. I'm just saying, I ain't got nothing to do with me now. I'm just saying, Ocho, slip of the tongue ain't nobody for. You can't, you can't do that.

Again, I'm not going to say it. I'm sure that people are tired of me saying it, but right now, you have to live a little bit. You ain't living. You're alive, but you ain't living. We're going to get you together, though. I'm going to work with you. You know, we'll...

Ocho, I ain't going to let you put these batteries in my back. You ain't fit to do that to me. You lying to me. I ain't going for that. But, you know, Ocho, we had a conversation about Meg the stagia last night. Man. No, no, no. No, and this one lady, she had something written.

Talking about, you know, you're two grown men and y'all are famous and you guys have daughters. How would you feel if somebody said that about them? Well, what was it? I think of how I feel, people go say it regardless. Wait. Y'all make it seem like, if I don't say something, that means, that's going to shield my daughter or my daughters

from men saying things or men approaching them. Wait, you didn't say anything wrong or disrespect for the, uh-huh? You were just, you were giving up praises, though, uh-huh. Ocho, you know how people are, Ocho. So she said,

do you know that sexual harassment? I'm like, so now I'm sexual harassing Magistadena? I said, that's what y'all. I said, that's what we're at now. I remember seriously, is that what we at? And you see, Ocho,

now you understand why I don't ride the elevator with single women, don't you? Now you see why I don't hold the door for women. You see? Because the first thing they're going to say he held a door to look at my butt. The first thing they're going to do, he made me feel uncomfortable. Now you see, oh, Cho, why I'm like how wired like I had.

How in the hell does someone even pull that out the air when it was more so? How do you not understand the analogy in the manner in which and what you said had nothing to do with that and being in a disrespectful way, but more giving props to who she is. And like, how do you, how do you even mess that up? They was talking about last night when you and I, when I was, I said it in jest. And so, you know, moving forward. Everybody gets that. Everybody understands that.

How could you not? No, Elcho, sometimes, listen, this is what we know. You and I are both heavily involved on social media. A lot of times people come to social media just to get upset. Right. or to have something to be mad about. Have something to complain about.

So noted, Ocho and I do a better job of filtering our conversation. No, we can't, we can't feel so because that's what makes us special, man. That's what makes us special and a little different. Hey,

listen, us being ourself what makes us unique. You know, the chemistry and the fun and the analogies and the jokes and, you know, the pandering and the people that are watching and subscribing and understanding that we're not being nothing we say is with ill intent. It's all about fun and entertainment. This is why we're on digital. We're on YouTube.

Right. We understand that we couldn't take what we say to linear television. Right. And that's okay. Right. I am completely fine with this platform. This is ours. Yes.

This is ours. Yeah. And so, and I think the thing is that people, have waited for so long for someone that's in our position that talks like them, that sounds like them, that looks like them. And so, and a lot of, a lot of, look,

when you and I have conversations, Ocho, yeah, they're like, okay, yeah. A lot of times when I tell stories and I use phrases, they've never heard those before. A lot of these, a lot of these phrases, I heard me and say this back when I was, I was a kid. And a lot, a lot of times, I'm trying to,

I'm trying to come up with phrases but that will resonate and people like, okay, a lot of people that's gone to college and you know you're not washing laundry on a regular basis. So you throw the laundry in the corner and the laundry is piled hot.

So when I say somebody is stacked like dirty laundry in the dorm room, it, like, yeah, I can see that because I remember when I was in school, that's what I did, I just threw the laundry in the corner and it got hot. But you know, like I said, Ocho, everybody is not going to be pleased

or happy with the way we talk or the way we say things. Right. And so I'll take note of that. I ain't change it, but I do hear you. I'm not taking note either, but if you are watching, whether you love us,

whether you don't, any celebs or famous people that we talk about, I love you. I love you. Some of you probably don't even like me. But I tell you what, I tell you what,

if Meg, if Meg had a problem with anything that I've said, if she feels offended or slighted by anything that I said, let me take the time to say, I'm sorry. I apologize.

And we love you. Yes. And we love you because I got need just like you. Let me show you. Hold on. Let me show you. Let me show you. Let me show you.

I got knee just like Meg. My bad. I ain't going to lie to you. I can't lie to you. I can't get down there like that because I ain't getting up. You can't. The only time I squat like that is it sit in the car. Ain't, ain't no squat down there.

My knees ain't that good. And then with two repaired hips, Oh, no. Walter was Jones ass. Hold on. Hold on. I hurt my knee. Hold on.

Hold on. I heard my knee. Hold on. Mm-hmm. Okay. Keep on the fact of you young now. You ain't like O'Shea. O'Shea clip a dip quick.

See? I'm flexible to Ocho. All right. Okay. Mm-hmm. You keep on trying to keep on talking about I'm old. They be talking about old. Oh.

Okay. Ain't nothing old but old clothes. Now, the chair narrow. The chair narrow. Mm-hmm. Walter Jones said, Uncan Ocho, love what you're doing. Keep the dope content rolling.

Question for both B-O-A-F. Y'all, if you could have a conversation with your rookie selves, what would you say? That's a good question. If I could have a conversation with my rookie self, I wouldn't change nothing. Nope. I wouldn't change nothing.

No. I'm just being honest. I wouldn't change nothing. I had a time. I had a great time. I'm obviously learning under, at that time, learning under Peter Warwick and Darnay Scott and then getting my opportunity to play in my second year

and from my second year all the way through, it was a ride. It was a beautiful rollercoast. It was a rollercoast of fun. It was a rollercoast of confidence. It was a rollercoast of ups and downs that I didn't let affect me. As far as the losing goes in Cincinnati,

I always promised myself that if it was always going to be a storm in Cincinnati throughout those bad years, there's going to be one light shining. There's going to be one light shining come hell of high water. And that was me. I was going to make the game entertaining and fun and respectable for fans that were in that city. And I did just that. But my rookie self, I wouldn't take nothing back.

I do it in the exact same way and add some to it. Yeah, I'm the exact same mocho. I think anybody that played with me and saw that I was as soon as they come about the game of football. I mean, you see how I live my life now. So you can imagine what it like because that was my first and foremost goal with the playing in the National Football League. Right. And so like nothing else mattered.

I wasn't there to meet friends. And if you couldn't help me win, if you weren't going to prepare to win, I ain't have time for yocho. I didn't. That's how I am. And I'm to this way. That's my brand. My brand is hard work because that's the way Mary and Barney-Portarie.

days does hard work and I'm not saying hard work game hard work doesn't listen to me people hard work doesn't guarantee you anything but without it you got no chance yeah yeah you got no chance there and so that was my mindset I got there and my brother says I don't know how much you're gonna play but just work hard and say when john when john will come to you and call your number be ready I was ready that's all and that's what I tell guys hey um Coach used to say, hey, don't cut yourself. Let me do that. Know what you're supposed to do.

Know what you're supposed to do and give me everything you got. He said, even if you make a mistake, we can correct the mistake. Yeah. We can't correct that effort now. Make sure you make that mistake going full speed. A hundred miles an hour, old joke.

A hundred miles an hour. And I had an old school coach and Dan Reeves who played for coach. Landry who he played for him he coached up under. Man, Ocho, you know, I made, I made the Broncos basically because of special teams. I was hell. Man, we played the Raiders. Now, obviously, they see all the training camp stuff.

Right. The preseason game. Hell, I'm making all the tackles. So what do you think they do to me? They double me. I knew you're going to say that double. I bet you split that shit right up, huh? Ocho, Ocho, you know, I didn't know any, I didn't know any better.

Oh, so I thought, okay, once I get double, I can just tell the coach if they double me and it was good. Right. Coach Reed called me to his office. Put the tape on, they double me. He said, that's not good enough. That's not good enough. He said, I've seen you beat double teams. He said, you know, we still cut players during the season.

Say no more, fam. Say no more, fam. You ain't got to say no more to me. He never had that conversation. He never had another conversation with me again. I tell you what. That next week. Yeah.

Double who. What? What? That's about it. Ocho, but see, back then, see, now they don't let you line up. You can't go until the kicker kicks the ball. Right. Back when I played Ocho, I got 15 yards.

Mm-hmm. And when I hit that line, yeah. By the time that front line turned the block, I showed them to the ground. I'm back there, Ocho. Hey, I'm back there. I'm back there. And all I'm trying to do,

and me, it was me, Al Montgomery, Lilo Lang, and a dude named Raleigh, Halliburton. And I just say, we know,

we know kind of which way the return was going to go. I said, all I'm asking you to do to make him check his feet, because I'm coming with that earhole shot. Right. Or,

Ocho, I'm trying to get, look, I ain't trying to put you out of the, for the season. Right. But if I could knock one of them, male gray or Tim Brown or one of them good ass return of life.

Eric McCair. Eric McCair. When you were the Falcons or Cleveland. Cleveland. Cleveland. I got to be Cleveland. You're the real deal. And I was a gun on putt. Hey, they couldn't double me on putt now.

They couldn't double me on putt. I think that thing like the Incredible Hulk. Bigg him all. Bigg him both put them down. Yeah. But so that's what made me feel. That's why, Ocho, if you notice, I don't make excuses. because my grandmother and grandfather never gave me that opportunity to make an excuse.

Either you did or you did. I don't need to hear why. I just need to know you did it. My coaches. Coach Reeves, Mike never gave me an opportunity to make a. He's like, hey, he's like, 84. Do you know who you are? I don't, I don't care.

I don't care who they put on you. Right. I got my money on you. to hear him say that to hear number seven says, hey, I'm coming to you. Man. Hey, that's a good feeling too.

Well, that's a good feeling. Y'all, they follow? See, see, Ocho, people won't do right because they're still trying to spam teddy bear. They just won't do right. C Ocho, I don't know, I don't know how we have a contest without people without, you know, they just won't do right. Wait, I don't, what do you mean they spam?

You said not the spam. You said teddy bear in their Instagram and you would. But they still doing it. They still doing it. So we're going to have to, you know, we're going to probably have to go to YouTube and ask them, what's the way that we can have a contest and actually because it's so many people. We can minimize it when it's only five. Right.

Or maybe 10. But when you start getting 40. Right. You can see the problems that we're running into. What if we just make less people? Hold on. Okay. So what we're going to do, we're going to go back through the logs

and we're going to manually to avoid another little tank situation. We're going to go back and pick 40 winners from the 60 seconds after the announcement. So, and we'll reach out to the 40 winners tonight and post the final list of the 40 winners tomorrow on Instagram in the morning. That's what we're going to do. because y'all won't do right. We try, but y'all won't do right. So since y'all won't do right, we're going to do right,

but now you just make it, you just, I mean, when people do stuff like this, Ocho, it makes you not want to do it anything else. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I mean, it's, I can understand. Obviously, I'm trying to, I'm putting myself in their shoes. I'm seeing it from their lens and understanding and wanting to win and having an opportunity to win. But obviously on our end,

I understand your frustrations, obviously, and wanting to give back and give people the opportunity to win. But it, you know, it's hard because the first thing you said, before we even started to give away, was you said, listen. The key word, listen.

Yeah. And no sparm it. It's a guy. It's what they can do. Yeah, I know it's hard. It's hard. It's hard. I love y'all, though.

I love y'all. Uncourt to J. that's one thing about uncultured jay he'd be asking these questions he'd be in here hey unc i'm getting invisible and installed tomorrow what kind of going to work did you get done and what has it done for you physically or mentally you know you boy you know i get that man look here oh cho i've always said i said now if i ever were to come into some money yeah uh i'm gonna get my teeth fixed. I'm gonna get, you know, I ain't been to be all in people's face,

keithing and peas in it, and they got me out here looking like the cavity creek. Right, right. I ain't gonna have no rotten teeth. I ain't going to have no teeth missing. I'm gonna get my teeth fixed. And so and till this down, I'm very self-conscious about my teeth. I go through a tube of toothpaste

a week. Damn, a week? A week. I brush my teeth on average about somewhere between seven and ten times a day. God damn. That's like the little cartoon characters, man. I brush my teeth two times before I leave the house in the morning to go to do first take. What?

I brush my teeth before I go down and eat breakfast. I go back upstairs and brush my teeth again. As Ash, I get to work. I go to the bathroom and brush my teeth again. So I brush my teeth three times before I go on air. I come home, I eat, I'll brush my teeth again. I'll take a 30 minute nap. I get up.

I'll brush my teeth before I go to the gym. I come home. I'll brush my teeth again. You're doing death. That's enough goddamn brushing. I got, how many goddamn two brushes you go through now? That's a little too.

I go through. I go through. I change my toothbrush every two weeks. Every. You know how my two brushes cause you to? Why do you go through it every two weeks? Yeah. I go through.

Hey, R. B. Kick your boy. I need a deal. I go through all B. 60, uh, soft. That's the one I use. I go through.

I change my toothbrush every two weeks. man you're tripping. Baby, how often I change my two brush? Man, that thing probably all with done luck. You've been scrubbing tires with it. Shit, probably. Yeah, she chained my two brush. I ain't got time for all that.

I go through like, I go through a big thing, a listerine. Yeah. Every two weeks. I'm with your nap. Now, what I do do, what I do do, obviously because I smoke cigars, I don't brush as often as you do, but after I smoke, then then I'll brush. I can't come in the house. I can't kiss my kids

I can't kiss my baby I obviously don't have no animals so I ain't kissing no animals but I always brushed in Let me think What else? What else? That's pretty much it You are a little bit excessive with yours

I am You're a little bit excessive Obviously I do the normal routine You get up in the morning You watch your face You brush your teeth You eat breakfast And sometimes listen

I hate to say this People might be like Man you crazy you tripping Sometimes when you brush your teeth in the morning before breakfast, the toothpaste, it throws off the taste of your goddamn food. I don't know if anybody agree with me with that. I'm just, it's happened to me a few times

where shit don't even taste the same because you got that minty tasting your mouth and the listerine in your mouth and you're going to eat and shit don't even taste the same. But that's just Yeah, it don't taste the same either. When your breath smell like everybody has gas in the world at once. God damn.

That's bad. God, damn. Hey, that's, that way, If, was shit. But that's my biggest, that's my biggest fear. Yeah. If someone were to tell me my breast steak. You're my stink? Yeah, man.

Like house party? Like, how's like dragon? Oh yeah, but I like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, you know, like I said, I brush my teeth probably about, I stay on average about eight times a day. Damn, but you know what's funny,

now that you mentioned it, because you know I smoke cigar, I smoke two or three. cigar today. Now me and me and this one here behind me when we first met obviously to your case in point of not wanting anybody to say you know you got a little you know your little tart, you know your breast smell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the fact that I smoke cigar so much, what I always did is when we first met in the corners of my mouth, I always had two peppermints. I always had two peppermints. So even if I am smoking and we're conversing, it still smells

minty or that that peppermint, you know, smell when I do talk. Nah, we four years in, shit, I don't even care no, I don't even care no most. Yeah, I just, I didn't got you now. I'm good. Yeah, yeah, I can't. They, they're like, you know, it's, and that's what everybody, everybody says the same thing. Right. You good, you know, I just, it's an obsession now.

So, this is the funny thing. If you have this obsession and it's very, what I consider, and I'm sure other people in the chat would consider very excessive, What about the woman that you're dealing with? Does she also have to take after? No, no. No, no. I let them, I let them, you know, that's just me.

But I think apart, but they do probably brush their teeth a little more than they normally would if they're around me. Right. Because like I said, I brush my teeth. I leave the house at 6 a.m. I brush my teeth twice. And then by the time I go on. Before you even leave? Two twice.

Before I eat and after I eat. And then I brush my teeth again when I get to work. Shh. What, you ain't... I know my sister, my sister says, there ain't that much brushing in the world. So you're going to brush... Say, I don't know what color your teeth are underneath,

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You know what, Ocho? I'm a perfectionist. I'm a neat freak. Right. Oh, so you got OCD. You got that... I do. Ocho, Ocho, I vacuum my kitchen.

I wipe down a plate, I spray lysol. You vacuum the kitchen? Vacuum the kitchen? I know you got tile in the kitchen. Why are you using a vacuum on tile? You split them up. But just in case, just in case. I used to, I used to...

But see, what I used to do, Ocho, I did break this habit. Right. I used to vacuum and then I would swiffer it. Ah, yeah, I got to swiffer. So I was like, man, I say, I think maybe, I said, man, maybe I'm doing too much. But I wiped out, I wiped out all the countertops. I wash the dogs bowl out, make sure they don't have any food left in their bowls. I pick their stuff, you know, I just, I don't want rass, I don't want bugs.

Right. I don't want anything that stuff coming into the house. You know, I hang up all the towers, everything is hung up nice and neat. You know, everything is situated. Yeah. I know. I know. It's, but I can't help it now.

You know, I like that and see, I get to a point where I have to, where it clicks in or I get into that mood. Remember when I had to do chores, you know, you had to do chores when he was a little kid. Yes. I let stuff and I'm going to be honest. Well, you know, with the people at home, I don't care what you think about me. I let it get bad. You know, I let it get bad before I actually get to the point where, okay, you know what? This is enough.

I can't find what I'm looking for. Let me clean this up. Okay, the tiles are piled up now. Okay, you know what? It's time to wash. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm the complete opposite. It got to get a little out of hand.

I can't leave anything on the floor. I can't leave anything on the floor. I can't leave socks on the floor. I can't leave socks on the floor. I can't leave anything. Oh, boy, you're happy. Boy, boy, you're walking my place and be like, man, shit, what the hell you got going? My shit like a dorm room.

Oh, yeah. My shit like a goddamn dorm room until I feel like, you know what, okay, enough is enough. One of them Saturdays clicking and I get in that mood. I put on some music. I put on some Sinatra, open the blinds, and just get the cleaning up, get the cleaning myself.

Oh, I do. I do that. I mean, sometimes I go through, like, I'll turn on some music. I'll start listening to old school stuff. And then I'll just,

I'll clean by, you know, go through all the drawers, straighten everything up. I'm a, I'm a clean guy. I'm a, and anytime you're like,

okay, he clean it. He cleaning. See? And my kids, my kids, no, they don't,

they don't, I'm a senior picture. I'm a senior picture. I can't even get in my closet. Oh, no. I can't even get it. I can't even get in my closet. So when I open the door, I got to squeeze through the door because there's so many clothes

that people have given me and sent for me to wear and I don't go nowhere. And it's so much to the point to where everything is hung up in the closet, but I can't open the door because there's so much stuff in the middle of my damn closet. I kid you not. I kid you not. And I'm stuck and I just haven't gotten that move yet. You know what? I need to sit down on a Saturday.

Saturday, start in the morning, and go through the whole house. And, you know, but to answer your question physically, it gives you a great confidence that you know that people, oh, you have a great smile. Oh, you have pretty teeth. Things like that. I mean, it gives, oh, Joe, I talk for living. People looking in my mouth, two, three hours a day. Yeah.

I can't, I mean, and a lot of times I'm in people face. Man, man, ooh, that joke of breath smelled like get back. You know, I'm saying, it smells like a bucket of cheese strap. Right. I can't have that, Ocho. Yeah. So it kind of happened. And I look, I remember growing up, we had to cut, remember you had to cut the toothpaste, Ocho?

Yeah. You just didn't throw the tube away. You had to cut it out of half and stick your toothbrush down and then get it. Get it out. We run out of toothpaste and Grant ain't going to have no money until payday. We got to use bacon soda. Mm-hmm. So I've always said, man.

Ocho, my executive assistant, she'll buy 32, 42 of the toothpaste at a time. God damn. She'll buy, she'll buy 15 of those big things of a, uh, uh, a listerine. Right. She'll buy, uh, uh, this, this mouth rinse. She'll buy 20 of those. So you'd be killing Costco. Is it car, what's y'all got?

Costco or Sam's idea? Well, they got, they got both of them. I go to, I go to Target. Oh, so right now I got, I got, I got, 25 toothbrushes. Oh, let me, Ocho,

let me tell you what I did. You know what I did, Ocho? Uh-huh. They had a sale on deodorant. Wait, what you use? It's so many different brands. I used this, I've used the same deodorant

since 1986. Mitchum. Mitchum? Mitchum. Man, that's the old Mitchum. They was, you remember the movie Cochoon? Yeah, the old man was using,

using Mitchum and cocoon. Boy, that's back in the 80s. 86. I bought They had it on sale one time, Ocho Yeah, how many you bought? 35. Ocho, if it's something like I used

And it goes on sale, oh, I get it. Yeah, matter of fact, I can, I can, you know, I'm sitting here laughing at you. You talk about how you bought 35. You know what I buy a lot of? Would it? Would I shy wouldn't, what I use on my face? If people to see me in person and the first line,

they say you have no blemishes and your skin is clear. What's your facial? What's your facial? Routine. I tell them to lie, I ain't got no facial routine. I use fair and white black soap from the beauty supply stow in the hood. If the hood runs out of the fair and white black soap that I use, I have my baby ordered off Amazon.

Would I shy with? What I've been shot with for years, even when I was in the league, I used dial, cranberry bar soap. I don't know what it is. I have the obsession with that that dialed cranberry black soap. Matter of fact, hold on, hold on. Hey, hey, do me a favor, baby.

Oh, you can't? Okay, don't worry about it. I have my soap right there on me too. Ocho, you know what? I was one of the first ones. I used to, I was one of the reasons why they started, like, y'all probably have hand towels now. Right.

We had hand towels then. You like the, I hate that lufus shit. No, I used to cut the towels up. Ocho, I started doing this in college. Ocho, you remember like, you had community shower, so the shower's right there, you next to each other. Right. Bro, how are you going to hand something out of the soap,

the bar soap, you just took it out your booty cheeks? And think I'm about to wash my face, and I've been to wash my body, and you just took the soap out your booty. Oh, no. Oh, no way, Jose. Hey, but listen, what I did, obviously, I was one of the few players that had bar soapsolesop,

so nobody was asked to use my soap, but all the rest of my teammates, back then when I was playing, it was some type of peppermint soap in the, not peppermine soap. The liquid, and when you shot with it, and make your body tingle or some shit,

and everybody was using that, everybody was using that. No, see, yeah, I don't like that. I brought my own. I like my boss soap. I started, I brought my own, I brought my own,

I brought my own, I mean, I used to you. I ain't let no, Ocho, you think I'm going to let you wash your pubic hair and your butt, But with my soap and you're going to put it back in my soap dish? Oh, so you didn't use the liquid.

I brought my own. So your teammates be at, your teammates say asked for it? They think it all the time. I'm not letting you use my bar soap and you put it in your butt. Oh, you said bar so. Okay, you had bar so. I thought you had the liquid. I thought you had the liquid.

But I ended up getting the shower jail. Yeah, I don't care nobody's shower jam. Oh, yeah. But when I had the bar soot, you know, guys back there, they soaping it up and, Hey, Hey, don't let me get that. No, I'm good, good. You can keep it.

Man, you got puve hair all on the soap but did you think I'm going to put it back in my dish? And I'm going to wash my face and it just came my chair. Oh, no, I can't do that, man. Ocho, you know I'm telling the truth. That's why you laughing. I said, oh, no, dog.

Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Hey, boy. Hey, boy, them's some memories, boy. What about shower shoes? You didn't have anybody ever. Oh, yeah, I never go in there. Bro, I never understood that how guys would go in the bathroom.

Bare foot. Bare foot, guys, a guy's peeing on the floor. And you watch guys pee in the shower. And you walk in. I said, come on, dude. And y'all really think I'm about to come over to. I said, man, I put shoes on to go into your house, let alone. I take your shoes on.

Oh, no. As a matter of fact, I just bought a new pair of Tim to come to your house. We're in Tim to your house. Hey, listen, but that locker room, man, that shower man is hilarious. There was a picture of me. It was today is that like when I broke the record, you know, I had the Gatorade bottle. I saw, yeah, I saw you drinking it. You had 12 or 2, 2, 14, something like that, right?

And my lips and people are like, your lips are on the bottle. Oh, Joe, you better tell people, we used to drink out the same cup. Yeah. I mean, hey, hey, don't let me get a swig of that. And you didn't think anything about it. Until I found out what y'all was doing behind closed doors. I had to stop that. Well, you ain't know what people was doing behind closed doors?

Not to the extent. Yeah, well, shit. You know, because we came up, we came up in the era. And I ain't saying guys didn't do that, but guys didn't brag about it. Right, right. It's a little different. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little different.

You know, you just, hey, listen, from the toe to the rooter to the tutor. Mm-mm. And you know, you don't do that? Slipper the tongue ain't nobody fault. You're right around the corner, I'm gonna drop in. Oh, no, Ojo. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no.

We're gonna, listen, we gonna, we gonna get you. It's only been too much. We gonna work on you. We gonna get you. You know, Ojo, you go back of the day. Hey, bro, let your boy get a bite of there. Okay, here, there you go. Yeah.

And I found out what they were doing. I throw the whole sandwich, I threw my whole meal away. You don't took a bite up? Oh, no. In the trash ain't go. I ain't even hungry no, but. Hey, I'm like, I'm like, who was there in life?

No, I don't even want that. I had to look at that. I lost my appetite. After you took a bite of mind? Yeah. You got to live a little bit, man. I ain't live a little bit. So that's what stopped me right there, Ocho.

You got you back in the day. You know, I grew up with me. We drank out of saying, hey, man, Shaw, give me a swig of that. Yeah. Here you go, bro. Yeah. And then I found out what they were doing, Ocho. No.

That's how my, but see, my grandfather's should do that. He's like, we buy a soda. He's like, oh, here you go. Hey, let your Papa knock the poison off of it. And now we get half the soda back. Yeah, that's the that's the poison. That was that much poorer than that. It wasn't that much poorer than that, Papa.

But you know, Ocho, y'all, y'all are different. These new cats, they knew, they're different. They different. I mean, listen, I mean, what you got to do is, you got to understand, Uncle, as we evolve, you know, as technology advances, we have to advance as well as humans.

Hey, hold on, hold up, before you go, anybody that's DMing Ash about the giveaway will also be this Q. God damn. I'm the only person that can DM Ash. She does everything that she possibly can, not to get

caught on camera. And we pulled a camera out, I never seen somebody Hey, she could out rush Shakary Richardson. Hey, man, you put that guy that camera out on Ash. Joy, don't you do it, Joy. Ash, go on. You know Abby Steiner, the fast white girls from America. Hey, boy, she could go now.

I bet you we pulled a camera. I bet your ass beat on a 50. I bet Ash beat on the 50. Juliana Howard asked, do you think it's hard to get into the NFL now? Or was it harder to get in when you guys were there? Well, probably it's a little easier now because here's the thing, Ocho. They got 20 practice squad guys. Oh, yeah.

So that's a, even though you might, you're in the NFL. If you're on the practice squad, you're in the NFL. Yeah. You get the NFL checks. Good money, too. Oh, good money. Those jokes are making, they make it more money on the practice squad than what I made in the league. And I were playing.

That's good money, good money. Yeah, good money. I made $63.5 my rookie year. I don't know if I got my first check, Ochoo, I'll cashed the whole check. Went to the bank cashed the whole check. Lay it out on my bed. God, go, make it sticky.

Oh, look at that, buddy. I ain't never seen so many a hundred dollar bills. Good God, about it. Oh, yeah, I can't go, but I can't. You remember I told you, Ocho, I used to get my check. They sent me my check. I got my check. You went up there and got it yourself, huh?

Yeah. Dude named Alex. I never forget, that was the guy in payroll. Hey, I built that thing early. Alex, I know you in the open. Open up. Let me get that. Let me get that day. Well, got my check, cash that thing. Lade it out on the bay. I ain't never seen so much money in my life, Joe. I'm like, oh, my goodness. What you did with it? You kept it? Or you just... I just wanted to see what, like, I think I think my check was like... Because we got paid, we got paid. We got paid in Denver. We got paid on the first and the 15th. So we got paid twice a month. Bar-Bour. We got paid weekly. Yeah, we got paid weekly too.

In Denver, we got paid twice a month. I think my check, because you got to understand, 635 divided up into like nine weeks. So it was like $4,4,800. Like maybe, yeah, something like that. I was like, I always thought about, I always thought about speaking of checks, I always thought about people that

take being in the NFL for granted. You know, sometimes you get second chances, sometimes you don't. Sometimes people get three and four and five chances. And then I think back and I look and I try to think of all the jobs that are in the world, all the things that you can do in the world that can bring in that kind of income weekly.

That can bring in that kind of income weekly. And it's like I want to talk to some of the dudes some time that are continuously having problems or issues, whether it be on the field, whether it be off the field. Yeah, yeah. I just want to sit down and talk to him. I say, bro, you don't understand. You don't work for this, man, since you was the baby.

Your whole life. And you finally get here. This is what you want to do. Sometimes, sometimes some of us don't get no second chance. Sometimes we don't get no second chance. Yeah. So I see, I see somebody do sometimes, like, when you're playing. You plan with you, you plan with your childhood dream.

Yeah. You're taking, you're taking shit for granted now. She can, when it's gone, oh, it's over. Oh, it's over. It's over. Over. And I tell guys the same thing, Ocho, you got an opportunity to make 20, 50, 100, 200 million. And you're going to mess it up to do what?

Why? you know, that ain't maybe, maybe let that person, I hate, this is what I hate, when people that are not in that situation or don't have him been in that situation, man, let that man live his life. Do you realize what you're saying? Do you really sound, do you understand how dumb you sound? Yeah. Knowing that you wouldn't mess that situation up. Who said, oh, let that man live his life and mess up $200 million, mess up $300 million. Really?

Yeah. how about this how about get that 300 million once you get that 300 million if you want to act a D fool have at it but not before you get that money money right right and that's crazy ohcho sometimes they need to let us out sometimes they need to let me come to rookie orientation but that's another story dan perkinson asked hey oh that shay hit differently hey that shay by la portier that thing good ain't it Ocho, what's your favorite cigar? Love the podcast. Y'all done, took over late night. Love you guys.

What's your favorite cigar, Ocho? My favorite cigar is obviously mine. The Boa Vito, the Boa Vita, very smooth. Yeah, the Boa Vita would probably be my favorite. My second favorite will probably be Lunatic. Lunatic cigar, 70 gauge. I really like it. It's real short, almost another, but a little peppery, a little strong.

But it's my second favorite. And my third would be the Annalise. Bull. The And the Legion Bull, I think we might have been cigar the year, 20, 2015, maybe. And those are my top three. Obviously, my cigar is my favorite. And those are my top three. Well, you ain't sent me no cigars, so I don't know what my favorite is. Well, you know, you know, I've never seen you with a stick before. I've never seen you to a stick. I didn't even know you smoke. Now, do you? I've never seen you with a cigar, man. I know I know you drink your cognac, your La Portia. How you say it? I want to butcher it. La Porteier? Yeah. Yeah, you got,

you got to say it. You got to say it like you're friends, La Portier. Yeah. That's good. Hey, hey, that La Portier

Yeah. With a stick? Yeah. I don't drink. I ain't ever had no alcohol. Tell real. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say real about it.

No, she drank like a fish. Don't do that. Nah, no, no, that thing she drank like a fish. Oh, Martee?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because she gets to stumbling. She get to stumbling. stumbling and don't know where she had. I can't deal with that. Ocho, somebody got us a new,

ooh, just a great question here. I'm interesting to see how you're going to answer this. Okay. Darius Allen asked, Uncun Ocho, if you guys are starting a new franchise and your quarterback options are Jalen Hertz and Lamar Jackson, who you take it? Holy shit.

God damn, that's a good one. Let me take my goddamn glasses off of this one. Damn, that's a good one. Ooh. You want me to go first? I mean, you can't go wrong either way you go. That's like asked me to choose between the musical tastes, a listen to goddamn Beyonce, I listen to Rihanna.

You know, both different styles, both phenomenal artists are what they do. But either way you go, is it a wrong answer? Right now, you're telling me right now. This is my franchise right now. You're changing the question. No, he said, oh, he said, if you guys are starting a new franchise, And your quarterback options are Jalen Hertz and Lamar Jackson. Who you take it?

Right. I'm taking Jaylon. But you changed the question and said like right now based on what they're doing right now. I'm taking Lamar. Okay, you start the franchise. You got a franchise before or you got the franchise now? Right. I'm taking Jailen.

I like Lamar. I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, God damn. I like both of them. That is a difficult question. I think that's difficult And you know what I think it also comes down to You line up 20 people You ask them the same question

It's all based on preference and who and what they like I think the thing I think for me Jalen Built is a little bit more durable He's a little bit more sturdy From the waist down He's going to be able to take the pounding a little bit more

Pause Obviously what Okay A man that can squat 600 pounds, Ocho, you know he's going to be able to. And so for me and having seen the progression that Jalen has made, I'm going to go Jalen. Yeah.

I would go Jailant. And Ocho, and seeing, man, look here, that jocle, that fourth quarter, if you ain't up by 25, if you ain't up by two, three touchdowns, They're coming back and winning. He coming. He coming.

He coming. He coming. I like that. I like that. I mean, it's not a bad choice, but obviously, I would probably lean towards Lamar Jackson. Yeah, and understanding what he can do. Obviously, he has developed himself into being now a pure pocket passer and only running when he needs to run. Obviously, they do have play designed for him to run, and where he can be efficient with both his arm and legs.

It makes him that much more dynamic and dangerous, you know, offensively. but again there's nothing wrong with either either one either one of you take you know it's really no wrong answer it's really based on preference and i love jalen but i just just i just got you know based on the topic at hand and question in hand i got to go i got to go with lamar you now you know we had two choices you know people going to say well shannon hating on lamar again and oh it's your hate on jaylon no i didn't mean hate that that's that's why that's why i said i love both but I ain't said I love both. I got a choice.

Okay, Ocho, you get burger or you get fried chicken. Just because I chose the burger doesn't mean I hate fried chicken. And just because I chose fried chicken, now, Ocho, now you know those are my two favorite. We all, everybody always wants you to preface it. Bro, just because I like something doesn't mean I hate the other. People understand, listen to me what I'm saying. Just because I like one doesn't mean I dislike the other. Right.

That's why I like to make a disclaimer before I even say anything. So they can't, they can't even say. Say about that, Ocho. But now you put a disclaimer on what? Because of people's feelings. That is what we do. We don't do that, Ocho. Yeah.

You say, hey, you said you would go a Lamar. Fine. I said I'm going with Jalen Hertz. I'm living with that. And then whatever ramifications come with that. But this notion, everybody automatically assumed that if you, hey, I like the sunshine. What is it about the rain that you don't like?

Bro. There's a time and a place for that. I like April showers. Right. But you know that's how it goes. Elijah Besato. Hey, Uncan Ocho. Y'all are some of the funniest guys I know.

Who are some of the funnest guys in your locker rooms when you guys played? Jordan Palmer's. Me. Check this out, Ocho. You know, I went to school with Red Grant. Oh, red, red, funny. Comedian, Red. Boy, boy, funny.

Red, we all knew, we used to have, like, we used to have talent shows. And Red and this other guy named Bernard Matt, we call it Matt, rest of soul. He passed away several years ago. They would do the talent, but as far as just joining, I'm talking about just see something and just start bagging and have everybody, can nobody see you, boy. Yeah. Me, it was me, pastor forward. on, uh, uncle, he was on, uh, first take. The short guy with a suit, he's forward.

Now we should call him Big Daddy. Mm-hmm. We had epic battles. Hey, I, I Joe, everybody. Yeah. It got so bad, they team up on me. They go two, three against me. But when it comes to just flat, I'm talking about just flat-out joining.

Mm-hmm. Couldn't nobody see me at Savannah State. That's, that's funny. When I, I'm thinking my teammates that were really funny back then, just, just naturally funny. Sean Smith. Sean Smith, you know, one of the funniest dudes, doesn't matter. DeLiam?

Yeah, you know, you know, Sean? Yeah, I think you went to the Chiefs. I know him from the Chiefs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Sean. Sean is really funny, very, very, very funny. Justin Smith, he was our first round pick. I forgot what happened from. Justin Smith was hilarious.

He was very funny. Yeah, he was very funny. And another person that was very funny that a lot of people wouldn't even know was Carson Goddamn Palmer. Really? Carson had a fucking funny. He was very funny. He had a sense of humor.

And it was a little different. And it's not what you expect, especially coming from a quarterback, but him and his brother, Jordan Palmer, were funny. And that was cool. That was cool. But in Denver, it was kind of like me and Burns.

Me and Keith Burns. He's a special teams coach at Tennessee State now. One of my best friend. But he and I was just like, we bagging on everybody else. Right. Everybody always talk about, man, man, why don't y'all ever get on each other? No, no, no, no, don't worry about that.

Don't worry about us getting on each other. But we're going to get on you. I'm going to talk about you. Ocho, we would get on guys so bad with the outfit, come on. We make them come up out of it. We make them come up out of it. We make them come up out of it, Ocho. For sure.

Hey. When I was in college, Ocho, I used to run to the bus. And you asked a bucket, ask anybody that was from 89 to 80s, from basically 87. 86 hours. That was my freshman. I was a little chill. But from 87 to 89, oh, Joe, I go get on the bus. I'd be already dressed because we had to wear shirt and tied jacket. Hey, I run get to the bus and I want to see what everybody got on. I'm a joke. I'm a lot. I'll make them come up out of it. Hey, listen, boy, then with them with some days. Matter of fact, the early days in Twitter

when I was on, the earlier days on Twitter, me, little Duval, Marlon, Man, And Kevin Hart, well, we used to go at it back and forth with the jokes. Man, back and for, I'm sure that the tweets are still there, obviously. And then I used to have Ribbon Session or Jones in session with New Orleans, the people from New Orleans. Man, me and the people from New Orleans, dude, I love, I love them folks, man, especially my followers on Twitter. We used to go at it for hours, for hours, tweeting, tweet insults back and forth. Obviously, now you'd probably get suspended because some of the things we were saying. Oh, yeah.

Those were some of the best times on social media when everybody wasn't so sensitive. Yes. And you could talk trash. You could say what you want to say and understand that it was just jokes. Now, man, everything is messed up. Matter of fact, speaking of, speaking of comedians, you ever watch, you remember, you remember Messy Maya, comedian, comedian, very, very, very funny person from New Orleans. It passed away, passed away a little while ago. Oh, did he?

I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, man, he's so funny. You know, we got all these dudes. We got Drusky and Desi and all these guys. Oh, Desry banks and Druski, yeah. You know all those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Funny right now.

Yeah. A bubble dubs. Yeah, yeah. If Messi Maya was alive, that would have been the cream of the crop. Country Wayne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

He would have been the cream of the crop as far as, you know, being funny and creating, creating content and going around Jones and and ribbon people. Oh, yeah. And he was a legend. Oh, but I've had a legend. Senator entertainment told, but I can really do this. Said your entertainment show, I could be a comedian.

Yeah. Hey, you ever been on stage? That shit, that's it different. It is. As easy as it sound, when you get up there in front of the crowd, it's different. Right. It's different. It's absolutely.

I'm more of a like, I got jokes. Right. And see, a lot of times what I do, Ocho, I would say something. Right. Because most of the thing that you hear me say, I've sent it to my teammates. 20, 30 years ago. Right, right, right.

And Rod Smith, who the wide receiver, and then we call it puts. He's like, y'all know he's been saying that same jokes. Y'all just never heard it. But we heard that 20 plus years ago. When I was in, when I was in Savannah State, saying the same thing. So, and what I would do, what I do is I try it out.

Right. I try it out, you know, it's easy, throw a little for somebody like, okay. Yeah, a little material. Yeah. Right, right. I said, okay. I need to ask something. I need to take something back.

A lot of, but I remember when I was working at CBS, I never forget doing a P.K. Pat Kerwin. So I would say things in production meetings. He says, you're not going to be able to say that. And this, he said, but this format is not for you. He says, you need to be somewhere where your full personality can be on display. Right. I say, he said what Steve, he said what Stephen A and what Bayliss does, he said, that's the format you need to be in.

Yeah. I say, you think, I say you think so? He said, yeah. He said, with your knowledge, he says, you know everything. You know stats about baseball, basketball, football, track and field, the Olympics, this, that. He said, your knowledge, and then you're funny. He said you can make anything funny. So P.K., appreciate that,

because you told me what I should be doing a long time ago, even before I thought it was even a possibility. That's live. SM asks, can nightcap be live at Ocho's wedding? Hey, that's a good, baby. Baby. Man, she didn't fell asleep, man. God!

I like that. Man, she's just taking sleep. She'll be taking night queen. She's probably pregnant. Ain't no telling. Baby. God damn, old Joe. You know what I mean?

You know, say, somebody just asked a question and said, can we do nightcap live from the wedding? Yeah, she said, yeah, she liked that. She liked that? Yeah, she liked that. Yeah, we could do that day. That'd be light. That'd be a first, too.

Rail must be, rail must be, work in the graveyard shelf. Because rail, every time I turn around, rail will be sleeping. Yeah, baby. Every time we turn around, you'd be sleeping. You got to get up early and go to Allen Town. Oh, okay.

Check this out. Push Pinder Gill ask, what's your top five Eddie Murphy movies of all time? Number one. Life for me. Life? Whoa, over Harlem Nights?

I go life, Harlem Knights, nutty professor. I go, I go Norbert. I ain't he got the 48 hours. I ain't got the Beverly Hill cop. Yeah.

He got some good ones. Listen, you forgot. Golden Child? Golden Child? Yeah. You got, man, Eddie got some good ones,

man. Man, look here. I can watch Life, Harlem Nights, Nutt of a Fethel. The first one.

You forgot coming to America. Coming to America? Oh, yeah. Man, look here. Eddie, man, Eddie had them, Eddie had them bangers. Yeah.

Eddie, Eddie got some good ones. Yeah. Dream girls. Ooh, that's a good one. Dream girl, that's a good one.

That's a good one. But for me, I would go live, Harlem nights, coming to America. Now, after that, it's all, it's all preference. But I love Norbert, too. Hey, Rasmusia, Rasmusia did Norbert wrong. Rasmusia did it. Rasmussen, you like skinny bitches, huh?

I cry. I be crying watching Norrischon. Rishon Young asked, Ocho, what in life do you appreciate most, no matter what matters most, what aspect of life do you appreciate and enjoy the most? What aspect of life do I enjoy the most?

You know, I think, I wonder, can I say my freedom? My freedom. I think that that would be the best aspect that I enjoy the most. My freedom, my ability to go and do as I please. the beating having having free reign over my life not having my health anybody you know my help being healthy yes because you can't do nothing without that nothing nothing without that that's a that's a good one healthy my health in my health in my freedom really when it comes down to it

think about i i saw the guy said if somebody said okay i'll give you 10 million dollars but you have to die tomorrow. You taking it? No. For what? I give you $10 million, but you're going to be, you're going to lose your health.

Would you take it? No. So when you see, when you come down to it, everybody think money of the end all be all. But think about what you'd be willing to give money up for.

Your health is number one. Because no matter how much money someone's has, they'll spend because even even the Apple guy, Steve Jobs, all the money I got. When it comes right down to it, it don't even, what good is it? It doesn't even matter.

And so once you start thinking about that, every morning I went, before I even, before I put my feet on the floor, Ocho, I say, God, thank you for letting me open my eyes, giving me life, health and strength, the blood running warm of my veins, use of my limbs, and I'm in my right mind. No matter what happens after that,

I can handle it. Yeah. Doesn't matter. All the money in the world don't do you no good if you ain't got no health. At all. What good is that? What good is that? Nothing.

So that's what I appreciate the most. What matters the most, my family and my friend. My kids. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Yeah.

And they know that too. They take advantage of me, Ocho. They'd be asking me for you. Yeah, they'd be asking me. My youngest daughter talking about, Daddy, you on the phone? You know I ain't on no phone.

You try to be, you know, damn well, I wasn't on the phone. I was sitting in the backyard watching the dogs go to the bathroom. Hey, Daddy, you on the phone? No, I ain't on the phone. What's up? I was wondering.

What were you wondering? Well, you know, my car. Yeah, what about it? You know, I had my car for a while and I was thinking about, you know, I had it since undergrad. had master's program now. I think when I go into residency,

I don't think it's gonna, so you're thinking that, huh? So it seems like you're thinking I'm about to get you another one, huh? Would you? What's in it for me? Am I going to be able to drive it? Am I be able to have a key to it?

Right. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. I shouldn't have told that story because I'm sure her brother, her brother and her sister will be, Yeah, they're going to see it. They're going to double back.

They're going to double back. Oh, I got a good joke for you. What you got for me? I got a good joke. Chad, I know you're already. You know, I'm a comedian now. Yeah, yeah, sure. You all ready?

You're all listening? Yep. What do you call it? What do you call an aunt who likes to be alone? Antelot. No. Independent aunt. You see what I'm saying?

That sounds like something Jordan would say. That sounds like something Jordan would say. Ash over your shake of the head. Oh my goodness. Shout out to everyone that commented about the show and has helped us. Shout out to everyone that's commented about this show and help you all through depression and dark times recently. Those comments do not go unnoticed. Guys, look, when we put this show together, we kind of didn't know, we kind of knew what we wanted to do.

We had no idea the kind of direction that it was going to go in. We were originally just going to talk about sports after game because normally, Normally when a sporting event ends, you got to wait 12, 14 hours before you actually get an in-depth analysis of what actually transpired. And I was like, okay, what if we did something to this, you know, sitting down with the team said, what if we did something like this? And so when we started talking about the game, we 30 minutes and we were already talking about the game. Now what do we talk about? Right. Now we found out that talking about life stories, things that's relatable to you guys.

you guys took a liking to do that. And so we want to thank you because it's kind of you that kind of put us on a path to where the show is. Because when Nightcap was originally created, this is not what we envisioned it to be. Not even the longest. But fortunately for Ocho and myself,

is that he played the game at a high level. I played the game at a high level. I'm a little older, in Ocho, and so I go back a little further, and I have a few more stories than Ocho, but we're relatable. We're just like, we know, we're just like the family member, the uncle, the cousin that comes over, I'm the older uncle, he's the young uncle that come over and tell stories. You guys gravitate towards us because you don't know what's true and what's a lie, but all of it sounds good, so you want to hear it all. Yeah. And everything I say is honest, you know,

It's just life experience. That's it. It's the God on the truth. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of people, Ocho, man,

you don't realize how many women I see out. And you know what they ask me? Yeah. Can I order the lobster? I'm like, really? I say,

y'all don't want to say, hey, I'm ordering, you know, I'm ordering the lobster. Well, you know. That was classic,

but that was one for the ages. But that was one, that was one for the ages. is Dale Black. But, but yes, I think the fans, what,

I mean, look, we're at, and less than two months, how long we've had this channel? Two months? Two months? Seven weeks.

We've had this seven weeks. Wait, it's only been seven weeks? Seven weeks we've had this channel. Because like the first month, we had it, we was filtering it through Club Shayshay, and I just thought,

I thought it could be big enough to support itself. And I wanted to give it the opportunity, to support itself and C. And it took off. So we had 360,000 subs in seven weeks. Wait. We were just at 350.

How did we get a 360 that fast? Yeah, we had three, we had 360 now. I think 360. Damn. Actually, 361. 361, Ocho. Yeah. Oh, but we're going to hit that million now.

We're going to hit that million. Oh, we had a million by January 1st. Well, we got to get up that car. You're paying the taxes. That's fine. That's fine. If we get, listen, tell your people, tell your family, tell your homies. If we get to a million subs, somebody get in the car.

Yeah. And I got the taxes. One car. We ain't buy no car. We ain't buy no car for 5, 10 people, or 40 people. One car. One car. It's gonna be a nice car too.

Practical. Whoa. Oh, yeah, because you know, I was gonna say, let's, let's paraphrase that now. Something simple. fishing you can get from point A to point B. Yeah. You ain't get no goddamn BMW and no, no Audi and nothing like that.

Nah. Not. Not you something nice. Yeah, something real nice. Like a Kia. You know, Kia, Kia is nice. You see the new Kias? No.

Yeah, don't worry about it. You could Google it. Yeah. Or Hyundai. Boy, hey, the new Honda is nice, boy. I don't know. I don't know who is a part of their creative director program. You know what my daughter asked me for?

Yeah, I got to check that out. He might be trying to pull an ogadoke on me. No, no, no, she ain't putting the oggy dog. But, God damn, I don't know what the hell Kea has done, and I don't know what the hell Hyundai has done. But, God damn, they stuff look nice now. Do they? Damn, they shit, I'm about real good.

You know, I'm a BMW guy myself. BMW? Yeah. And BMW's cool. They're cool. Ocho, bro, I'm 55. What do you think I should be driving a Ferrari? man at 55 no Ferrari is what you did when you were young you're in 20 exactly we was playing like at your age you're supposed to have like a Cadillac

you're out of your damn mine no you're supposed to be driving a Cadillac or a Lincoln or something I'm driving a BMW a M70 EV no that ain't too long man get that is me get you a kid get you a Cadillac get you a Lincoln uh what else you if you like a truck get you um the Harley Davis Get you a Harley Davidson pickup truck F-150, really, bro? Yeah, that's you. That's you. That's you. I mean, at 55.

A couple of years ago, I almost got a Shelby, though. I almost got that Shelby. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I almost got that Shelby. Yeah, they're nice. Yeah, bro. Yeah.

No, I got it. Actually, I do, I got an M-70, EB, BMW. I think of a run, too. Hey, all y'all was talking smack. Hey, Marcellus Wilde, Reggie Bush, don't let me catch you on the road.

With those testlers. Don't let me catch you on the road. Uh-oh. Okay. So I'm testing you. Don't let me see you. Yeah. I think one.

I got another joke. What do you go about it? I got another joke. Tell it. Tell it. Hey, babe. What kind of ant is good at adding things up? Adding things up.

What kind of ant, oh, Joe? Accountant. Lord, Habberts, Ocho. Hey, I thought when you say you could tell you got on stage, I thought you were like telling stuff like, you telling knock-knock jokes on stage? No, hey, no, when I, when I, oh, no bullshit. Benji Brown, I don't know of Benji watching,

but at the improv on Tuesdays in Coconut Grove, I tell you no lie, some funny story. I'm sure somebody in the chat probably been there. If you're from Miami, you remember me getting on stage. Whenever the first comic got booed, Whenever the first comic got booed, I always finished their set. And the jokes I told were just short stories. And they were always funny.

Short stories, they were always funny. If we got time one time, not tonight, obviously. If we got time, you know, throughout the- You know what? I think I might sit down and ride a set. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you boy, you know, you boy got any joke now.

Hey, that's shit hard, man. That's shit hard now. You know, because when you envision your set and your material that you're writing, it has to resonate and it's all about the delivery. Yeah. Now, you know I got a delivery now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they got that. You know, I can, hey, the one thing I can do is tell a story, Ocho, yeah. But see, the thing is, a lot of the stuff, you know, people then got sensitive now. So you can't see, like,

I'm an O.C. That's the hard part. Yeah, man. That's the hard part. Yeah, so I'm just going to go and keep this stuff to myself. Keep it to myself. It's all good.

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letting you know if you are the winner. So we'll reach out throughout the night because Ash isn't allowed to sleep. This was her idea. This was her baby. So you know what? You got to be the midwife and you got to be the woman that delivered the baby.

You got to step through the night. and getting this done. And you got to be to work, meet the work tomorrow. So she has a lot of her plate over the next 10, 12. Hold on. Oh, but you know when she gets a little reprieve tomorrow because she gets to sleep in. She gets to sleep in on Wednesday. No, she don't. Because we got to leave. We got to go. We got to go to work. We're on the road traveling. So she don't get to sleep in. I'm sorry. She gets to sleep in Thursday, though. She can sleep in Thursday. You get to sleep in Thursday. You don't get to sleep in Friday because I know. You didn't want the early flight.

Like six o'clock. Yeah, six. Get up. I don't. You didn't want it. Don't worry. It got back to me. You didn't want to be on the flight.

Guys, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Thank you for clicking that like button, that subscribe button. We're at 361,000. It's all because of you guys. So thank you.

Thank you so much for watching another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite sports. One of your great storytellers. And the 12 of us, bro, we got more stories than the library. The children's section at the library. We got a lot of stories and more to come. He's your favorite number 85, Chad, Ocho Cinco, Johnson. Wow.

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