The Herd with Colin Cowherd - NightCap - Unc & Ocho react to Patriots-Broncos, Dolphins beat Cowboys, Flacco wins 3rd straight

Episode Date: December 25, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the New England Patriots taking on the Denver Broncos, the Miami Dolphins taking down the Dallas Cowboys, Joe Flacco's elite comeback story and much more! 00:00 - Introduction06:25 - Patriots beat Proncos13:00 - Dolphins beat Cowboys36:00 - Joe Flacco is better than Deshaun Watson42:00 - Shohei Ohtani gifts Porsche53:00 - Ocho's wack Christmas tree01:04;00 - The unexpected pain of hip surgery01:20:00 - Greatness has no balance01:30:00 - More Nightcap questions! #Herd #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. 536,000 subscribers. Oh, that's crazy, man. That's crazy when you think about it. No, the, you know, we, we had, what, maybe three months? Three months. A little over three months.

About three months? 536,000. Yep. Like, think about that. That's amazing. Yeah, we started the channel, October the 8th. We've been going, but we didn't have a channel. So we officially started the channel, October,

the 8th. So November, December, so we're about, we're a little left in three months. Actually, we're about, we're about another, we're about another two weeks away from three months. That's crazy. Man, you know how hard it is? I obviously, I'm just learning about YouTube and all this stuff. And people always talk to me about how difficult it is to build a following. Mm-hmm. You know, and for us to be able to build a following this fast at the, at the rate we're going, man, shh. May no telling, you know, tell him we'll be going to be at in another three months. Oh, so the thing is, here's the thing. The podcast market is really saturated

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Here I am in my office. You're in your office and you go. But here's the trick. Now, you're never going to get a chance to get them again. So when you launch for the very first time, and you get one or you get five or you get 10. Yeah. And they watch you.

Will they come back? Right. If they like what you have to say, if they like, if you're entertaining, if you're informative, if you're educational, they'll come back. Right. If you're not, they're gone. And so when you hear the saying, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.

Because remember, Ocho, when we first started this thing, we got like 2,000 people in live chat. Yeah, yeah. We went away from the live chat for a minute, started just doing BOD. Right. We come back. I said, no, hey, I think we can do it.

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You're live in the audience. And they hear that for the very first time. Right. But they love us. They followed us. And they keep coming back. So we keep trying to give you great information entertaining you guys. So we really want to thank you.

The Pats beat the Broncos. Rylane kicks a game winning field goal for the Pats. The Broncos tied up late. But they turn to give the ball back to the Patriots. and the Patriots do a great job of getting in field goal range. It disappeared. Getting in field goal range and kicking the, I think it was a 56-yard field goal. And it was right down the middle.

And considering how bad he had struggled early, he missed a field goal right. He had a P.18. Up right. So that was a big win for the Patriots. It was really, really deflating for the Broncos. They didn't play well with the exception of maybe. be a few series in the game, but the Broncos didn't play well. Oh, Joe, the first snap of the game, they sack the quarterback, they get a fumble,

like on the five-yard line, and they end up turning the ball over on downs at the two-yard line. You've got to get something out of that. You would like to get points out of that drive. I mean, excuse me, a touchdown out of that drive. Yeah, but you didn't get anything. And the worst case in there, you get three. Give the Patriots credit, the defense been, but, I mean, they did a great job of holding them out of the end zone. And then the Broncos got really sloppy.

And they got a 7-3 lead, but they got really sloppy. You know, they turned the ball over a couple of times. Fumble on the kick return and gave up a touchdown without the offense, even getting on the field, which is very deflating. But give them credit, they fought, got the way back into the ball game. And I thought they had an opportunity to possibly win the game because they forced the Patriots to go three and out, Ojo. And so now they get the ball with two minutes to go.

And I'm like, okay. But, Ocho, you know this. In a situation like that, you really need something good to happen on first down. Because that's the down that really, okay, yeah, we got this. Yeah, we got to be a little rhythm. Give you a little rhythm. Yep. Give you a little rhythm.

Give you a little confidence. You got a first down. You get 13, 14, 15 yards. You get a big play. Now you cook it. Now everything. But now you throw a screen. You catch him in a blitz, but it's a running back.

He peels off. tackle P Ryan for a three yard loss, now second and 13. Yeah. Now you're behind the eight ball. But I don't know why they were in such a rush because you do realize now, if you don't get this first down, you're going to put the ball back with them to it with a minute. Right.

And they got a time out. So I didn't understand the rush of why the Broncos were in such a hurry once they were second and 13. That's just me. What was kind of some of your takeaway from the game? I see my takeaway. I mean, there were, the Broncos played good in spurts. There was a series that looked really good where Sean Payton had a great game plan for

Russell to allow him to, I like to call it cook. They allowed him to cook. They got him outside the pocket. Obviously, he was sacked five times, but they got him outside the pocket, allowed him to use his legs a little bit to make a few completions and drive down the field. I think that might have been sometime in the third quarter when they looked the best. Right. As an offense.

Other than that, they had sputtered the entire game. There was really no consistency offensively. you know and they really couldn't get a rhythm or that confidence you spoke of with a minute or two minutes left on a clock when they were trying to rush i'm not sure why they were rushing and want to give the ball back back to the pageers just in that scenario with cordless sudden going down that that that really hurt i think that really hurt them offensively especially in 50 50 50 ball situations where i'm sure rus would have wanted to use him in that situation uh a little nephew of brandon he came he came he got a nice little touchdown at the end right obviously getting the two-point conversion to tie the game up. After that, I think the Broncos played down to the competition. I think the Patriots defense doesn't get enough credit. Yeah, they deserve. They don't get enough credit, but they deserve because of the losing record.

And I'm not sure what Bailey Zapi ate for breakfast this morning, but the past few weeks that he started, the offense itself has looked completely different. It's looked completely different. And I'm not sure if they're going to continue with Mack Jones as of next year. But Bailey Zappi seems to be the answer, you know, so far. And he did a great job. He didn't turn the ball over. The thing that was killing Mac Jones, okay, even if you don't pick up first down,

you can't turn it over. He's throwing interceptions. He's fumbling the ball. So now that's exacerbating a situation. It's frustrating the offense. It's frustrating the defense because we're having to defend extra possessions that you're costing us. The one thing that you can say about Bailey Zappy, he hasn't turned the ball over. He's a little bit more athletic, I think, to Mac Jones,

because he's able to get out of harm's way and make plays down the, and make some plays down the field. But I agree with you. I mean, at one point in the time in the second half, late, like maybe to start the fourth quarter, the Broncos was minus seven yards in the second half. And I'm like, bro, how do you get minus seven yards? I mean, and they had like two or three possessions. And they had, you know, they had sack Russ and russ and fumble the football.

And so they didn't get any extra opportunity to pick up any yards. But you know what? Maybe this is the best thing. Because you know what, Ocho, sometimes you can make the playoff and it gives you a false sense that we're close. The Broncos aren't close. They're not. And all the playoffs would have done would have fooled them.

It would have fooled our fans in Bronco country. And it would have fooled a lot of them players. See, I told you, we made the playoff. Bro, y'all are not close. Yeah. You don't have enough. You don't have enough playmakers. You don't have enough playmakers on the defensive side.

I was kind of disappointed in Pat Sertan today because on third down. Now, if they go to the other side, I can live with that. But ain't no way in hell. If I'm that dog, you throw the third down on me. They go, Ocho, you're challenging me. Right, right, right. I mean. Right.

Can you imagine somebody throwing at Time, Revis, Rod, or Charles Wilson, Rod Wilson, and Niels Williams, you need a third down plate. And the best corner on your team, one of the best in the NFL,

I want you, I'm going to challenge you. That don't sound right like you tell me, Ocho, that don't sound right, right, right, right, right. I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't,

when I look at it, I look at the landscape and the dynamic of that offense and defense, the defense is really good. I think they're really good. They played well as opposed to how they look when they play the dolphins and the dolphins put up 70 on them. After that game, they have been decent. They have been decent to that point.

And I don't know what, I don't know what happened tonight. I'm not sure what's wrong with the Broncos in general. I was very excited when Russell Wilson and that maturation between him and Sean Payton started to work and they started to look efficient offensively. And Russ looks somewhat of himself and not at, he looks somewhat of himself as what we're used to seeing when he was with Seattle. instead of a shell of itself. He lost a little weight. He became a little bit more mobile using his legs. They were getting him out of the pocket.

He was making plays with his arm with his legs. And it's a game like the day that you have to come out and win and make a statement if you want to feel like you deserve to make the playoffs. But again, like you said, if they were to make it, I'm not sure what the, what the standings are for them now. But you would just be fooling yourself. Yeah. Just be fooling yourself. With a lot, what a win today? They had a 42% chance of making it.

There's a 5% chance of making it. So the likelihood of them making the playoffs with two games to go isn't very good. They need a lot of, they need a lot of bad things to happen to someone else, but you need a lot of good things to happen to you. But here's the thing. Now you're hoping because you didn't take care of your business. They're your own business. If you take care of your bid, don't worry about what's a man.

If they lose this and this team ties and an eagle land on the flagpole at 12 o'clock, we can make the playoffs. No, bro. If you take care of your business, you don't have to. look and see what someone else is doing. You don't have to worry about what they're cooking because your meal is satisfactory. But it is what it is.

I think they need a lot of things that the offensive line isn't nearly good enough. They don't, they didn't run the ball particularly well last night. I'm looking at this dance of Ocho and the, the rush, the rush yard is what they have. That's 61, 81, 83 yards on 17, 21, 21, 22, 23 carries. That's not, not, nah, nah.

Not enough to get it done. No, not enough to get it done. No. Yeah. So give the, give the Patriots credit, go on the road, win a hard fought ball game, found a way to win, could have gotten, you know, you have a 23-7 lead. All of a sudden it's 23-23-23 late in the ball game. You have every reason to like, man, we had this game.

We let it slip away. But they said, nope, it ain't slip away. We still got an excellent chance to win this ball game. And they dug down and they won the ball game. So congratulations to them. and they win and the Broncos taste defeat. Tombo said,

you can't tell me, Sean ain't sabotaged in Denver. On the last drive, you called the exact same type of play that had you down 16 to begin with. Well, Ocho and I said it earlier, I wasn't pleased with the play call. And I know a lot of teams

like to start with the screen, but a lot of defense know you like to start with the screen. So you like to start with the screen. They know you like to start with the screen. You probably should go. Exactly, exactly. So they found it with the Patriots found a way to win.

So give those guys credit. So game we go into next, the Miami Dolphins. Hey. Beat the Dallas Cowboys 2220. Jason Sanders hit a 29-yard field goal as time expired to give Miami its 11th win of the season. He hit five field goals on today, set a Dolphins record three of at least 50 yards. And they win, Tua was 200 had passed for 293 yards, 2437, 293, a touchdown.

Dak Prescott was 20 or 32, 253 and two touchdowns. CD Lamb, six catches for a buck 15. Tyreek had nine for 99 after sitting out last week. What was your takeaway? What was your big takeaway? Hey, this might have been the best game of the day. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it.

They went back and forth. Two was good. Dak was good. They didn't turn the ball over. One thing that I don't like that the Cowboys did, goddamn C.D. Lamb been cooking. Obviously, I'm a Dolphist fan, but Cid Lam has been cooking week in and week out.

He comes out, has a phenomenal game. At the beginning, phenomenal quarters, excuse me. He had four catches touching the ball. They moving the ball up and down the field. That is the Cowboys. Then all of a sudden, Cidie Lamb disappears. He disappears out the game. plan and opportunities don't even exist until what?

Maybe the late, was it maybe middle of the third? Right. Early in the fourth? I mean, what are we doing? Are we even serious about competing and wanting to win the game when your best playmaker is not a part of the game plan? Why are you even allowing the, the dolphin defense, excuse me, to dictate where the ball goes?

Yeah. Moving around, getting the ball. You don't have to because at this point in time, they're not having Jalen Ramsey, travel with him. So now I'm working on because if you look, if you say Jalen Ramsey and Xavier and Howard are one two, those are your two best corners. So now I'm working on three and four.

Well, I got to move. Why you got to move me? Let me work with you guys in the slot. Because Ramsey's not coming in the slot. Howard really doesn't play the slot. So I'm cool. You ain't got to move me. Just left or right. I got two guys in me that I know that I'm superior to

feed me the ball. So although I agree with you, he had 10 targets he should have had 17 targets easily easily especially this with they at the the cowboys are in a gauntlet they're in a gauntlet of games that they have to win or they should win because the ramifications of these games are important for them making the playoffs and the team that they're playing are going to be the type of team that you're playing in the playoffs so why not throw the kitchen sing out there and get the confidence in on your on your team especially offensive the confidence for that city lamb disappears halfway

halfway in the game after going crazy the first half. Right. Then he doesn't touch the ball until what, late in the third or maybe early in the fourth. It makes those sense. But then you're serious about winning and being in the playoffs. Yeah. Dolphin defense, Dolphin defense played really good. Played up.

Because here's the thing, Ocho, the thing, if you're the Dolphins defense, what are you playing? The past. The Cowboys don't even really try to run the football. I don't know if they can't run it or they don't make a commitment to run it. Because all I know is Mike McCarthy said at the end of the, at the end of the of last year when they made the switch and moved on from Kellen Moore, he wanted more of a balanced offense. He told Jerry Jones a lie.

He wanted to get Kellemore out of there because he wanted to call the players. Because this offense looks a lot like it did last year with no running game. And they haven't run to, they might have one 100-yard rush game this year. And maybe that was, if I'm not mistaken, that was the first game of the season against the Giants. But they have no

commitment. Now, granted, this offensive line is getting up on age. Zach Martin is not the same Zach Martin. Tyrant Smith has missed another game. missed on average since 2015. I think about three games a season. Since 2020, he's missed the average of four games of season. He's not the same.

You can't, because you remember now, when Zeke first got in, they moved people at the eight. Oh, yeah. That thing was like Moly. They partying you up out. They're getting you up at the club, quick. Yeah. They were bouncer.

They had five bouncers, and they were throwing people up by you, right. Ocho they were throwing people, Mofoels out of the club. You got to get up out of here. It's time to go. And I just don't know. I mean, Tony Pollard, 12 for 35. Dak had five for 25, but he had a 22-yard run. I like that today because today seemed like he was very active.

He wasn't, he was, he wasn't hesitant. Oh, man, they got his thing covered. I'm out of the gate. Yeah, I'm out of there. Yeah. Very decisive. Very decisive in his decision-making. He was, but they don't, I mean, the thing is, if I'm the cowboys,

I'm playing for the past because they're not going to make a commitment to run, especially if they run the ball the first couple of times. and you stop them. Oh, they go, they. All right, Doc, it's on you now. It's on you. Like you said, give the Dolphins credit. Tyreek, 14 targets, nine catches, 99 yards.

He dropped one. He dropped it. Hey, that would have been, what, 97, 96? Because you see what, but see, here's the thing, what do you got to do, Ocho? Once he got past Bland, he got to start getting back. He stayed in that line. Now you've got to get back.

Why? because just think about it. If you had released outside, where would you have been? I don't care what your release is. You know what, Ocho? You could go in motion and go out the other side. As long as when my back foot hit that fifth step and you, where you're supposed to be at 42 and four,

I'm cool with it. He needed to get back wide. And because he didn't, you see how he tried to reach over here and catch it? Where if he'd have got back wide, it'd hit it right here. It would feel right in the bread basket. Yeah. They're right in the bread basket. And he'd have been, he'd pieceed him out.

And so now you get 97. Now, Ocho, you know what happened. You get that first catch. And it's a big one. A big one. Oh, Ocho. I'm about to give me a two piece. I'm about to get me a 200 today.

Matter of fact, today would have been a 200 y'all day. 200 and some change. Easy. But he had another opportunity. Remember late in the fourth quarter? He ran a deep end cut and two or threw it behind him. Because he was about to come out the backside on that one. Yeah.

Yeah. Because the same thing had taken a horrible angle. He was about to come out the backside. That's why he started hopping, started jumping because he's like, damn, I missed this. You already know. And you know the funny thing about it is he going to have another week to be able to do it because they got the Ravens next week. And the Ravens ain't changing them nothing based on the way they play the game. They feel they have two good corners and Martin La Humphrey.

I can't remember number 20. I can't remember number 21st, his last name. Yeah. But they're going to be in his face. They're going to be in his face. But here's the thing. I think it's too late to get two bands. He thinks he needs about 200 yards each game.

Because remember, Ocho, he got hurt. Remember, he got hurt? The ankle, yeah. And then he missed the game. Yeah. So now if he missed about six quarters worth of production. Yes, yes. Okay.

Okay. So now where he's at 1,600, he'd have been at 1,800. Right. Now with two games to play, he's at 1,800. Yeah. Have a nice game. Now you're trying to go in this since, man, I'm trying to get a buck 50 against the Raven.

Right. So that for all I need is a 50 yards against the last game of the season. Yeah. And I made two bad. Right, right. And I'm at two band. But this was a much, this was a very need to win for the Dolphins-Ocho because, and you know,

people say the narrative, but there's no narrative. You guys have not beat a team with a winning, right, right, since, in a calendar year. So it's not a narrative. It's facts. Right. It's facts. I mean, I don't know what you want me.

I don't know what y'all want me to say. And the Cowboys, again, 20 points, where they score 40 points at home. They got less than what they normally get on the road. They normally get about 22, 21.7, 22 points. They got 20 today. The defense, I mean, and the defense didn't play bad. I would get ready to say that. Normally, I say that the key for the Dolphins,

winning this game would be running the ball, the same way the Cardinals did, the same way the bills were able to do. But they did okay against the run. They did okay against the run. Right. But here's the thing. I thought the Dolphins tried to attack them wrong.

See, they're trying to get the edges. You got to go down hill against them. Yeah, you have to because they're too fast. They're too fast. You're trying to get the edge. Look at James Cook. Look how James Cook attacked them. Look how Christian McCaffrey attacked them.

Yeah. Between the tackles. That's what you got to go. Because they've longed them shooting up field. So it's going to be hard for you to get the edges. And you see they strung things out a lot and get down here. But again, the defense ain't forced turnovers. You see how different this defense looks, how different this team looks where they don't get

turnovers. When you can't put that offense on a short field, when you can't get picked sixes and scooping scores, you see how this team look? I mean, y'all might not like my analysis. Oh, you're a cowboy hater, but if I speak for themselves. I ain't told what lie. I told him last week. I said it like that. I did like my ex.

I like them. I just don't trust him. I like the cowboy. I just don't trust him, Moteau. I just don't trust him. I just don't trust him. I don't know what you want me to do with that, don't you? But that's a good one right, yeah.

But Miami got another garlic. Think about it. They got, oh, yeah. They got the Ravens coming out. And then they got clothes out of the season at home against Buffalo. With the bills. And the Buffalo really needs it because Buffalo is not out of the woodwork out of the woods yet,

because they need these last two games to get themselves into the playoffs. Right. Because I don't believe they might can catch. I don't know if they can catch the dolphins. the Dolphins probably need to win one of these last two games. Because the dolphins are trying to like, hold on. Maybe if the Ravens, hey, if Sam Fran take care of the Ravens tomorrow, we need them next week.

We're in the catbird seat. Matter of fact, you're right, because obviously the Dolphins already in the playoff. They 11 to 4. They second in the C. They second in the AFC right now. So if the Ravens do lose, who the Ravens got? Sam Fran tomorrow night.

Oh, boy, that's going to be a good one. Yeah. God. And I don't want to underestimate the Ravens defense because ain't no telling what Raven defense come to play. Right. But it all is based on matchups, matchups. How do they match up well against IU and goddamn Debo and Christian McCaffrey? Ain't no telling what's going to happen.

Yeah, but the Ravens, that defense better be on its best behavior because we know what they do at home. They annihilate people. It ain't no close ball games. It ain't no walk-off field goals. They beating people by 21. They've beaten people by 17-0-Jol. Right, right, right, right. We saw them go on the road and we saw the job they did against the Eagles.

We saw what they did what we thought was a good cowboy team. Yeah, a Cowboys team. We saw what they did to Seattle twice. We saw what they did to the Rams. Now, maybe this is a different Rams team that's going to come to, that's going to come at the end of the season. But we saw them, they take teams apart. Yeah.

And especially when they got their entire arsenal, when Iyuk and Debo and Kittal, and Trent Williams and C-Matt when they're playing and Jennings, they got tremendous guys that run up to the catch. Offensive line is very good. They can run block. They can pass block. Brock Purdy has been sensational.

I believe he's still the MVP right now. It's interesting to see how the game. The defense is playing well too. Yes. Yes. Yes. Now, they're not suffocating.

But Tradavius Ward. Who do you match him? Who do you match? him up on but you put him on zay flowers do you send him with odell does he travel you send him with odell because zay flowers is is is is a little to me it'd be a mismatch even though zay is good but zay is a bigger corner he's a bigger corner so you need to put him on odder you have to have someone small huh ward yeah yeah yeah you okay you're award you say zay is a small receiver yeah i don't He's a big corner.

Yeah, I don't want, I don't want, yeah, that's a mismatch. That's a mismatch. Yeah. So it's going to be very interesting to see how this game shapes out. The Cowboys, they lose on the road again. The questions are still going to be there. I'm going to have the same, I'm going to put the same questions on the test until you answer the test correct.

Right. That's what I'm going to do, Ocho. I'm going to give you the same. I'm going to give you the same questions. Right. Don't ask me. oh people want us to lose no no no no you don't get to reap the benefits of being on america's team and then when you don't perform and we ask why you talk about we want you to lose

or we rooting against you no no no you're reaping the benefits of being on america's team you own that's why you think you're getting all these chunky soup why you think you get in all these commercials why you getting all these seats these are uh uh the mattresses commercial right you think you get that because why because there are other quarterbacks that's playing better and that. There are other defensive players playing better than Michael. You get that for one reason.

Well, it's not the only reason, but it's a large part of the reason because you're on the Cowboys. Right. So you want all that, right? Okay. So when we come and we ask questions, what's going on, don't be mad.

Don't be bad. Yeah. Do like the Dolphins. There is a narrative out there. They can't beat good teams. They can't beat teams with a winning record. But it came up and they showed up. Ta-da, exhibit A.

You know you in the courtroom? Y'all exhibit A. Okay, Dallas. Okay. Now, you beat and I don't know who they got. They got the Giants again. I think they got the Giants again. Who else?

They got the Lions. Oh, that's going to be a good game. They got the Lions and they got the commanders. Jay Smooth 41. Shea Ocho, please tell me why Dallas has no run game. O-Line can't stop a part. Warner team. Routree is questions.

but besides CD, people will blame that. No, hold on. Ocho, I said this many years ago when they got rid of Amari. And I understood why, because they wanted CD Lamb to be the number one receiver. Right, right, right, right. And Amari said, I ain't going nowhere. Look at Brandon Cook, and I think he's a solid receiver. He's had 1,000 yards in New Orleans, New Orleans and the range.

He's been, yeah, yeah, sensational. But he ain't Amari. And Michael Gallup has not been the same since that knee injury. I understand he'll make a play here or there. But he's not the same receiver, Ocho. I like Tobor. He made a big time catch over Xavier and Howard. He's young.

He needs to put more of these, more of these catches and games together. But just imagine if you got CD and you got Amari. Now, I don't know if anybody knows this. Amari has the second most 200-yard receiving games in NFL history. Yeah. He and T.O. are the only two men to have three, 200-yard games, one on three different teams. Now, you tell me, you have C.D. doing what he doing, and you have Amari, how would this offense look?

It looked crazy. It'd be crazy. But I think, obviously, I think it was a money situation, right? They didn't want to pay whatever it might have been. It wasn't the money, because Jerry got the money. They didn't think Amari was playing up to the $20 million price tag. well they purposely weren't giving him an opportunity to make sure he played up to the 20 million but don't don't get me started on that because here's the thing they felt they overpaid to begin with they felt that the only reason they gave him 20 million was to keep him away from Washington because he was a free agent they didn't franchise him they he was a free agent Washington put the money out on the table so he's like if I'm going to get 20 million I might as well get 20 million stay in a city and a system that I'm familiar with with no state taxes

Because remember, Ocho, when you're in free agency and you want somebody, you got to overpay. Because if the money is the same, why would I leave you and have to learn an entirely different system? Right. Get familiar with a whole different quarterback. Learn a whole new city. If I'm married, I got a girlfriend. Now we got to learn a whole city over. If the money is the same, I'm going to stay.

Stay, right. You're going to have to make me, you're going to have to do something, pay me more than what I'm worth. Right. Now, it's a situation like a Raiders. Now, Green Bay did say, okay, we'll match. But he's like, if y'all match, 137 million, no state taxes, that's about 8% over the life of the contract. I'm going to save me probably about $10 to $11 million. $1 million.

$10 million. That'll go a long way because I ain't going to be playing football forever. So that's how you have to look at it. So the Cowboys felt, well, we really didn't want to play a Mario $20 million to begin with. We just didn't want him to go to a division. That's the last thing you want, or two to go to a division rival. Yeah.

And I got to deal with you twice a year now. And now he's going to be feeling some type of weight. That's what teams are very, very cautious about trading within the division. Division, right. I mean, more times than not, they try to trade you completely out of the conference. Hey, you're in the AFC. No, you go into the NFC. If you're in the NFC, you're going to the AFC.

And the funny thing about it is if you feel that much about that certain individual going into division and you don't value them. If you don't value them, it shouldn't matter where they go. Because you don't want them anyway. You don't want them in the fact that you don't want them in the division, that tells you all that. No,

don't, stop saying that. It's like a young lady you're dating. I don't care where you go. Don't you date my homeboy. Don't you date somebody from my school? Don't you date nobody from my school. Come on. I like, I like where you went with that.

I like where you went with that. That's a good one. I don't care, but I do care. I care that you stay away from him. Right. That's a good analogy. I like that. That's a good one. Hey, that's nasty work too. Yeah, yeah, man. Ooh, Ocho. Oh, Ocho. I know you don't know this. Ocho. We got 26,000. What? Oh, Cremma E! Hey, Merry Crip. Oh, it's, oh, hey, it's going to be midnight. Yeah. Merry, Mary Crip. Wait, hold on, not yet. We got to wait until it hit midnight. It's 1159. Yeah. So, you know, 1159 means it's Christmas. You know, Santa, he got the radio up to his head, too. He's listening.

They're doing that thing already. He said, I like this. I like this. It's midnight. Merry Christmas, y'all. I love you all 26,000 are you? From my family to yours. Merry Christmas, happy holidays and all that good stuff.

And you can open up one gift. Y'all can open up one gift. That's it. Man, you're teasing somebody. What gift? I'm trying to get up everything. No, not you got to wait. gotta wait till everybody else get up.

You know, once midnight hit, my mama used to let, my grandma used to let me open up one gift. All right, boy, come on, get up night. Open up one gift and the rest of them, you wait till the morning. Barney, Mary Porter, wasn't playing that. You open that gift, you open up a gift by 7.30, 8 o'clock. You couldn't get them early. What?

Aw, boy, you wake up. You open a gift when they wake up. Yeah. Hey, you know, I'm restless. I'm kicking my feet. Right, right. Boy, B, steal. My brother, my boy, be steal.

You know, I'm trying to do everything to get awake ready up. Hey, you know what I love. I know we're going to get back to the football topic, but you know what I love about Christmas Day is the presents, you know, it's all good. Today is obviously French Fry, you know, my one-year-old, she gets to experience her first Christmas where she actually knows what's going on. Right.

She does she see the light. She's excited. She can talk a little bit now. So I can't wait to see her face in the morning. But in Miami, you know, I'm not sure how you guys celebrate. a lot of people get four-wheelers, Yamaha Bansies, and you know, we love, we love the ride in the streets.

And I think I might do that today. I think I might do that today. Find somebody a friend of mine and get a dirt bike and just ride, just riding the streets. We'd be like 50, 60 deep. Nope. That ain't going to say that's not what they do.

That's not what I do. My grandfather once told me and my brother asking for a motorcycle, he said, boy, they call it ass fault. It's your ass and it's your fault. No, son. That's what he's saying. So that's out of the question,

don't you. We don't fool. We don't fool with that. You was in the country. I know you rode four wheelers and dirt bikes. No. No, no, no.

What you call them? My grandma were going to play. My grandmother. And we couldn't, I wouldn't even risk it. I wouldn't risk getting on one away from home. Because if I got hurt, they're going to hurt me.

Word. As soon as I get well, they're going to hurt me again. So, God, leave that alone. Somebody. You know what, maybe I saw that boy on one of the most. one of those sickles. I saw, yeah.

Sickles? Yeah. That baby, that baby boy, I don't know which one it was, but I think of that baby boy. Oh, no.

Come on, man. No, hell no. I love that, man. You, oh, the smell of that gasoline. They don't smell like regular gas.

You know, you got to mix it, man, that smell and. Ain't nothing like. You know what else? Oh, Cho, I played,

you know, we played ball. And I used to play on the old asphalt. And you look down and that, thing and you don't see nothing up of that white meat. And here I am, black as I am, and I don't see nothing of white meat. So imagine, you up there.

Go ahead. Hold on. Speaking of old school, asphalt, when you grew up, y'all played, y'all played in the middle of the street. Yeah. And when the cars come, you yell freeze and wherever you at, everybody got to stay right where you at until the car go by? Yeah.

Man, what about, what about throw up tackle? Y'all play throw up tackle. Tackle of the man with the ball. Anybody with a ball? Yeah. Yeah. We call the tagging the man with the ball. Okay, we call a throw-up tackle like here.

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, okay. What are you thinking you learned, babe? You better, hey, they bust you up, Ocho, you better get good. Oh, yeah. You got to. Mm-mm. Oh, that's some good memories, man.

God. Let's see, here's the game I want to get to, where is it at? Fleco. Oh, yeah. How you know I was going there? Ocho, let's be real. And that's what we do. We real with each other.

Yeah. At no point in time. Since his return, last year, the little five, six games that he, play in this year has Deshawn Watson looked as good as Joe Flacco looked in the last three game tell me I'm lying no Joe no you're not you're not you're not lying but my question to you is is as good as Deshaun whiz as good as he was and got the money based on what he did in Houston he has a good supporting cast a good supporting cast there offensively can you explain to me why he doesn't look the way Jack Joe Flacco has looked in just four games

I don't know I'm asking you you have a better eye than I do You have a better eye than I do. I'm just looking at it from surface level, from watching from TV. How did Joe Flacco come in and in four weeks? Office couch, huh? Off his couch? You know, if you notice what they're doing, it's the same scheme. They do a lot of play action, and Joe got a big time arm.

You remember the throw that he made last week on the overroute to Amari? Yeah, Aramari. Ain't a whole lot of guys going to fit that ball in there like that. Right. You see the big first ball that he threw the 75-yarder? Mm-hmm. Joe Flacko. I mean, look.

Joe, you didn't have a question his arm. Did you see the ball placement though? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. And now I'm sure fans in Cleveland are like, okay, we see what this offense can be. Right. With Amari and in Joku and they run the ball. Now, they didn't run the ball great. I mean, 47, 50, 58, 59, minus 5, 54 yards. 54 yards on 20, 27, 29, 30.

They didn't run the ball great. They didn't run the ball great. But Joe Flacko was 27 to 42, 366, three touchdowns, two interceptions. Amari Cooper had 15 targets, 11 catches, 265, which is a team record. Hey, Ocho, if I see it, you don't think the front office in Cleveland see it? You don't think the fans in Cleveland are asking them, asking their, you know, family members and at the bars and that the gay. Why we didn't look like that would have got getting 250 a quarter of a bill, a quarter of a bill fully guaranteed. Why we haven't looked like that?

Now, and I tell you, remember I said, oh, Joe, at some point in time, we're going to have to start making excuses. We can't keep saying where, you know, he missed the year and this and that. Because Joe Flacco got off his couch. Yeah. Off his couch. He's driving his kid. I think Flacco got like five or six kids. He dropped here in Carpool line in the line.

Yeah. Because remember he had a couple of decent games last year from the Jets. Wasn't he on the Jets? I think he was on the Jets. But the thing you never questioned about Joe was his arm. Yeah, he's always had a big arm. And if he gets to the playoff, playoff Joe. Playoff Joe, the real deal, now.

And the funny thing about it is the Browns are a team, what they're doing right now and the confidence that they've built in Joe and the way they're going offensively, man, you don't want to see the Browns. Yeah. You don't want to see the Browns offensively and the damn defense ain't bad.

They ain't bad. Yeah, oh no. Denzel warden them boys be playing some ball, nah. The game probably shouldn't have been as close. I mean, it was 36, 4, 3622. It shouldn't have been that close if Joe doesn't turn the ball over. Because you look at Davis,

you look at Davis males and Case Keenham combined, they had 201 passing yards on 26 of 49 attempts. So they slightly, they slightly over 200 yards or down their 50 passing attempt. Right. So, but Joe was throwing it today. And you mentioned they had an interception. They had two interceptions. They sack the quarter.

They got out to the quarterback. They had three sacks. Yeah. They had two interceptions. two interceptions, three sacks. They look good. I didn't think, and you and I had to discuss it. I was like, if we were talking about, Ojo,

when we found out that Deshaun was going to miss the rest of the scene, I was like, man, they can't go nowhere. I mean, come on now. With the quarterback, they got, come on, Oach. I didn't see Joe Flacko. I didn't see Joe Flacko. He wasn't on my radar. I got a question for you.

Yes. And I want you to play GM. Okay. So with Joe Flacco playing the way you played, what do you do coming next year? You know how you know the business much better than I do because I don't like the I don't like the mean I don't like the business side of it.

I don't like the politics. But you would be able to answer this. I think you're almost forced to have to keep him. I mean, you got, I mean, you still owe him $185, $190 million. Who are you going to get to take that? You're going to pay somebody $190 million to go away? I'm just curious. You know, you got to be.

With Joe playing the way he's playing that, this ain't no just, you see what Joe has done the past four weeks? Yes, I have. Because here's the thing, oh, Joe. It's kind of like when they say it's cheaper to keeper. But I've seen people,

I've seen men that are billionaires. They say, I'd rather pay you leave than keep my money and stay. So here's, this is the question. Can you trade him? Who's going to take?

Who's going to eat that contract? And, wait a minute. You don't think nobody eat that? No. Ocho, plus here's the thing. You got to sell, this is what you got to sell.

Not only do you got to sell it to another team, you got to sell it to their fan base. Yeah. Okay. The hardest thing was to convince, and it's totally different, was Andy was all in. Everybody wanted Mike.

How do you sell that to the fan base? Right. I mean, it's only one way to, fix it obviously if they if he's gonna have to he he's gonna have to he he's gonna have to be he's gonna have to be he's gonna have to be immediately next year he's gonna have to be the shot the last Deshawn watson that we saw that were used to when he was in Houston he got to get to be okay okay he's gonna because he's gonna be he's gonna be on a very short leash uh the brown pick of the third straight win third with uh joe flacko as a starting quarterback

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Oh, Joe, did you see this? Shohei Eltoni signed with the Dodgers, $700 million contract. He wears number 17. Yeah. Those to the Dodgers, Joe Kelly, who's a starting pitcher, he has number 17. Right. He wants it. He gives it to Shohei.

Shohei buys his wife a Porsche. Wait, he didn't charge him? A porce. She got brought his wife a Porsche. No, but I'm saying normally when you go to other teams, you have a certain jersey number. You have to pay the person that has it. You got to pay him. Nope.

He's just like, hey, hold up, check this out. She offered it. She said, if you come to the Dodgers, you can have my husband's jersey number, which was selling. Wait, so because the husband, because he gave the jersey up as a sign of respect and in gratitude, he buys him a Porsche. Her. He bought her. She got the Porsche. She said, even if you come, you can have my husband a number and we'll

change our baby's name, Kai, to Show Kai. Well, now she got to change the baby name. So she got a Porsche. She got changed the baby name. Well, shoot, that's Otani wife, not. It all led to show her, uh, thanking them for a special gift on Saturday. Ashley Kelly opened her front door to a special delivery from Shohei Otani, a brand new porch. That's live.

That's live. Like, you know what that feels like to be able to do that? Obviously, we can buy a car. We can get something nice for us. Do you know the kind of money you got to be making to say, you know what? Because of this nice gesture and you allow me to wear the jersey number that I adore, I'm going to buy you. I'm not going to buy you a Porsche.

I'm going to buy you a Porsche. 700 million. Is that enough money? I'm up. Oh, Joe, because remember I told you when I went to Baltimore, I was number 84 in Denver. Obviously, I wanted to wear number 84 in Baltimore. Jermaine Lewis, Jermaine Lewis had the number.

The receiver. Yes. I offered him and his wife. He isn't heard Rolexes. At the time, a presidential Rolex was probably, a man's was probably about 21, 22,000 female, a woman, sorry, a woman's Rolex was about, probably about 14. So I was going to, you know, $35, $40,000 after attack.

He's like, no. So, but I didn't want, I didn't want 88. I didn't want my odd number. So I was like, Frank Wainwright, Frank Rainwright had 82. Yeah. So I got his number. He was with me in Denver before he ended up going to Baltimore. So I knew him somewhat, you know, we used to joke with him.

I called him, I was a freakie Frank. So I called him, I was a freakie Frank, man, I need 82. He's like, call me Sharpie. He's like, sure, Sharpie, you can have it. No, freaking Frank, I won't feel right. Would you give me the number without properly compensating you? I was like, well, you know, what's your hobby? He said, Sharper, I like the fish.

Say no more. I bought him a bass boat. The low one with the low seat on it? Yeah, yeah, like the one you see with the fish tournament. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With Mike Aconnelli and all those. They're not expensive, are they? I must have been wrong.

I think it's about 13, 14,000. But you got to. Okay. That's worth it, though. That was in 2000. Yeah, that's worth it, though. That's worth it. How much a basketball?

How much a basketball cause now, ask? Yeah, that's definitely worth it, though, especially for your number. Yeah. It's something about having your own. Yeah. It's something about having your jersey numbers. It wasn't my number, but it was the number that I wanted. And so he was willing, he was willing to give me that.

Oh, and Kevin Van Damme. I was like, Kevin Van Damme is probably the greatest, you know. I grew up watching Bill dance and Roland Martin and Ernest Hensley, all those guys fishing. And then I started watching. you know Mike Iconnelli and and and and and and Van Dam you know Kevin Van Dam so I know a little bit about you know fishing yeah I don't like me I ain't got the patient for fishing hey so now guess what they call guess what a bad's boat costs now about 28 28000 50 to 100 thousand what yeah well that's the

high end that's like the best of the best I mean I bought I bought him a bass boat you know you got to have you got to have a aerated well that water so you put the fish in so the fish so the fish stay alive. Stay alive. Yeah, you have a big motor, a Johnson or every rude. Then you have to have a trolling. See, man, the people are going to

think I'm from the cut job. I'm sorry, Ocho. I'm sorry. I'm just going to break it down for you, Ocho. I'm from Miami. A lot of people here fish because there's water everywhere. It's legs everywhere.

But I ain't got the patience for that. I'm not sitting there waiting on you to take a bite. I'm not sitting there waiting to bite. I got another question, though. I'm curious. Jermaine Lewis, you offered his wife. I offered him and his wife. He hasn't heard.

Rolex. Both Rolexes. Yeah. And he said no. What did he want? Did he say a number of? No, I don't think. I don't think.

I think he had said, you know, I had made a name for myself in this jersey and I want to keep it, which I didn't have a problem with. You know, I go to the, I go to the man. You know, at the time, I'm a free agent. I was one of the top, you know, five free agents, you know, that was available. Now, I could have, you know, but, hey, no, I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to pull, I ain't going to pull rank. Right, right, right, right.

Bro, this is what I got to give you about you and your wife, here's her Rolexxes. what you think? Nah, man, I'm good. I made a name for myself. I said, okay. Hey, Frig Frank, what's up, Sharper? Hey, bro, I, you know, I want 82. He's like, hey, take it.

Sharper, you know, I wear 80 number. He's like, all I do is snap the ball anyway. I don't really matter to me. I said, nah, bro, I want to take the number like that. Hey, it's yours. Hey, what can I do for you? He's like, you know, I fish. So I bought him a bass boat.

So thank you. Yeah. So that's how I operate, but that's, that is a very nice gesture. from Ashley Kelly and Shohei showed his his faints

in a very, very gracious way. Very great. A brand new Porsche. And I think she's like, I'm a mom. And it ain't come out of my hubby's pocket. Yeah. So she's going to be cruiser to the ride

with baby the car seat in a porch. That's live. Hey, all the way. Sleeping Man won donated money to Roach. your nose looked like they came with your glasses. Man, look here. Bro, what you want me to have a look? Do you want me to have a little rest of a saw?

Michael Jackson nose? How'd that go to look? Bro, this is me. I'll be. I ain't got no Botox. I ain't had no nose job. I ain't got no fillers. Bro, I'm a black man.

With Nigerian roots. I don't know how you expect me to look. And you got Nigerian roots too? Yeah, like 90s. 17% Wait a minute Boy, I got 68% I'm 68% Nigerian

I'm serious You know, I'm a Yahoo boy You know about the Yahoo boys? No Yeah, do you I'm well, I'm I'm the leader now But you ain't a leader

We'll talk about that later Uh, yeah Fonte Johnson said Oh, where can I get one of those Randy Rossi T shirts? I'm feeling that. I don't know I didn't even notice

That's who was on there You know, that's sexy. That's a chocolate. Hey. Hey, you'd be having some dope teas, man. Where you be getting your T-shirts from? Man, my sister, she's like, things that she think I would wear. Right.

That I would like, you know, I like catchy stuff. And so, plus, I ain't really trying to dress up in there. I'm trying to be as comfortable as I possibly can for two hours. So, you know, it's all about, but you're doing something for an extended period of time, you know, it's all about comfort. You know, forget that look, man. You are dressed for what? I wish I might

Merry Christmas Who's this? Devin Bell He said Merry Christmas To every one of your family Chad You know you dead wrong

For buying that little tree Yeah Ocho You know damn well You can't have a Christmas tree That's shorter than the baby Listen you need to understand women When a woman says Listen when a woman says

Baby go get a tree She didn't give me no specifics on size, color. What the hell you- Listen, if you send me to get a tree, I'm going to get the cheapest tree I can find because it's one day. We're going to take pictures.

I know you all about aesthetics, and it came with lights. Look at that little-ass tree. It ain't, it's the same size as French Fryer. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's a Christmas tree shouldn't be the same size French Frye. Well, actually, actually, no, that's her fault. Because if you wanted a big tree and this whole production,

you could have win it got it yourself. How about this year? Why would you send me? You know I'm going to go find the cheapest tree I could possibly find. You dug that up. You ain't even go by that tree. You dug that up on the way to the tree. Also, but why, this is what I want,

A real. I want to know why the hell you wait on Christmas seed to get a tree to begin with. Because you get the best deals the day before Christmas. You get the best deal. I just did my shopping. Yesterday. And today. You get the best Christmas deals right before Christmas hit.

Well, if that's the case, how about you might as well, if that's the case, you should have waited until the 26th because all the Christmas tree is going to be worth $5 and just put that, put it up then. I mean, I mean, you want the best deal. Hey, I do the same thing every year. Before she came along, I always waited a day before Christmas to get my tree because I get a better deal. Or you get some, you know, sometimes they'd be a little scruffy.

You know, it'd be the ones nobody want to pick out, boom, but I got tired of, I got tired of pine smell. I got tired of the bristles falling off and messing up the house. So what I do? I started getting little tiny trees like this and it's efficient. And it's not about, it's the thought that counts. There ain't no thought. I think you wrong. Well, she thought you was crazy who you brought that little last tree home. I think, I think it works. It doesn't, is it works just fine. Now I do. Where are you in the chat? Rare, if you're in the chat, if you love us and it's Christmas, send us a thousand dollars right now. How much you love us? I have a tree.

I had a tree about this tall. But I was in an apartment when I was in Denver. And so I just put it up. I take it. I put it out like, you know, three weeks before Christmas, plug it in the wall. They take it out,

put it right back in the little storage area. Yeah. But you got kids. It was just me. It does the job, though. It's doing a job. The kids worry about the presents. They don't really care about the tree.

You can't put nothing up by there by the boat. He didn't put no presents up under there. I am the boat. We put the presence around You put the presence around the tree Not under the tree Under the tree is when you was young Now you put them around the tree

If you put the present around And stack them around the tree You ain't gonna even be able to see the tree You can see the tree Man that looked like a little cactus Ocho man if I ain't know Man I swear you live in Arizona You put lights on a cactus

And try to fool somebody Somebody tell me that's a Christmas tree Man friend's probably Go get a finger prick Fooling with that Christmas tree man Hey, what you say is a what? A what? A cactus.

Yeah, a little cactus. Man. Hey, listen, I thought I did a good job. I thought I did a good job. Real, he didn't do no good job. I didn't spend money. I didn't spend money on the tree, but I spent money on the gifts, and that's what it's all about.

It ain't about the gifts. Obviously, we know what the day is poor, but the tree is sufficient and it's going to get the job done. Is rail sent us our money? Real send money. Real said, no. She's done with. Reh says she tapped out from criminal. No, no, no, no, no.

Re, send us $1,000. Don't do that. Happy holidays, baby. Let's act like we in the spirit now. Come on, what's the point of you being rich if you ain't going to share now? Share the well. God loves a cheerful givor. Come on, now. A little thousand ain't going to hurt you.

Hey, uh, J.R. Lock said, Chad, you my guy going to need you with a stat sheet if you want to be on the ESPN with Unk. You're still my guy, but you need to be prepared. Just feel bad. He saw my setup. I got a little setup. You can't see it right now.

But George, let me see a set up. I got a setup too. No, you ain't got no setup like I got a setup. It's nice? Oh, yeah. Let me see it. Let me see it. Let me see it.

Let me see it. I mean, I'm up here. I'm up with this thing. Hey, you got me excited. Come on, turn that thing around. Oh, shit. So what kind of compute? What's that?

I can, I can put you on any team. And all the stats that will come up. I can turn it that way like that. Yeah. See? Hey, how, how you,

how you, is that a program, a program or something? Yeah, you know, I'm just, hey, we got to be prepared,

don't you? But how you do that? I got to watch all the games to know my information, not just taking my notes. Yes, you watch the games, but you watch the game

to give your analysis, but you're not going to remember every single stat off the top of your head. This gives you, this gives you the actual stats, rushing yards, who did what, Devin Tinger Terry had nine attempts and 44 yards, Davis, Mills,

so forth and so on. Now I can come out here and see what the defense did, tackle, assists, you know, force fumbles, interception, sacks. So, and then I just hit on any game. See, that's crazy. I could stop wasting my goddamn pen and paper. I got my little notepad. I use my little

notepad, so I'm jotting down all these goddamn notes and I could have been doing that. Yes. How much is one of those? I don't know. It's not that much. I don't know. You're not that much. If I not that much is completely different. 1,200.

1,200. Oh, hell, no. You got to invest in yourself, Houcho. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. My investment right here, I write everything down. How much, do you, have you read Mr. B story?

Do you see how much he invest in his stuff? No. Yeah. Yeah. That's how he has 215 million subs. Wait, hold. on how much you think it's stuff costs like like give me give me like a roundabout number just on something he bought the entire city for his team wait come on that way hold on hold on hold on

he bought it entire city he does about 70 million a year you got oh cho it takes money to make money hey you know what we gonna do what you mean what you mean we what the head you're not from france hold on i'm i'm talking about listen you know what we're from a city too What you're gonna buy a city. Oh, Joe, you won't spend $1,200 on the computer screen, but you're talking about buying a city. Hold on. I'm finning that because if Mr. Bees could do it, guess who could do it?

That's what I've been trying to tell you. Hold on you. Listen, me and you, because you know why me and you could do it? Because we Beasts, too. Yes. Yeah. Hey, I don't, hey, you see, I don't, hey, that's how I look at it, Ocho. I ain't gonna laugh.

Damn. 70 million, 70 million a year? A year. Oh, man, nigga. Are we fin of cash? We're going to catch buddy. We're coming for that. I don't know we're going to get $215 million.

But I know we can put out good enough content that people that advertisers and sponsors will want to be a part of this. Yeah. Listen, we can get there because I can tackle every demographic. I can get people that don't even watch football to come. Listen to these stories. Let's see. To our experiences. But see.

Like lessons, the gyms. that's what I tried to get people to understand. People thought I was trying to replace you with Gil. Gil is just another component that's something else we can talk about. Basketball. When the Olympics come around, I'm going to have people that ran in the Olympics that are participating in the Olympics to help guide us through.

That's what we do. And then, guess what, Ocho? We're putting other people in Shay Media up on the club, Shea, to do a lot of different things. Somebody that does finances, somebody that does health and wellness. somebody besides you and I to talk about sports. Right.

Yes. I like that. That's how you have to. We're going to build a fucking empire. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. And so that's what I people.

Oh, you try. No, I'm not trying to replace. But there's a, think about it. Popeyes could have just still been making money doing fried chicken. Didn't they add the chicken sandwich? Hey, that chicken sandwich was crazy, boy. A lot of fights by that chicken sandwich now. The whole lot of fights.

What was McDonald's known for? Burgers, Big Mac, quarter pounder. Quarter pound of y'all. Then they added chicken nuggets. Nuggets. You see how they expand? See, oh, we got the football, but now I'm going to have somebody bring basketball. They're going to say, okay, Uncle Ocho doing basketball.

And guess what, Ocho? You and I talk about a lot of other things that's not sports-related. So now we get the lifestyle. Now we get to entertainment people. They're like, okay, man, you got to think out. You got to think. If you want to be outside of the box, you got to think outside of the box. And you say you didn't want to be in the box.

I ain't never been to now. Oh, what I need you to think. Let's go. Well, I'm going, hey, real, send me $1,200 to get this, what's that called? That's an Apple? Huh. That's Apple products. She gave you 400.

She said, that's it. She gave me 400. what? $400. Where's that? Yeah, she gave $4.00. She donated $400? Yep. Type of cheap. What?

I'm trying to get the IBM. Oh, hold on, she said, oh, you should have saw my face with my baby walk there. Baby, I got you. I got to have that set up like right. Oh, you should have my face with my baby walk there. Baby, I got you. We're going to have this set up just like, oh. Hey.

Yeah, that's way to come through, baby. I got to, I got to prepare. I got to prepare like unc, nah. Shit, I got to think outside the box. 10-1-love 10 said, will nightcap continue after football season? Absolutely. Of course.

That's good. I like that. We're probably not going to have the four days. We'll probably have two days. And then you don't have basketball season. But yeah, absolutely. Because guess what? We're going up to the Super Bowl.

And then you got free agency. Then you got the draft. So we're going to be going, we're going to be going strong. Now, I'm going to take some time off. Like after the NBA finals, right. Oh, I'm going to take about two months off because I got to, like, I got to decompress. Yeah, you got to recharge. It's been a really, really long year for up.

So Up going to take him some time off. Ash, Ash going to take some time off, George going to take some time off. Even though Jordan take time off a lot now, it's hard to get it to tell me. I'm like, damn, I need to give you a beeper. Yeah. I need to, I need to give him a beeper that shocked. So that way, that you, but it's shocking. You know what I do?

Because, hey, what's going on? Bro, I call you seven hours ago. Jeff King asked, oh, how do your dogs handle fireworks? They never, they, I don't, well, the, the two I got now, they've never been around fireworks. I never, because I see some. Some people, like when I was in Atlanta, we used to walk up to Lennox Mall and they let the fireworks go. And I see people bring the dogs.

I'm like, why would you bring your dog? Don't put him in that situation. Now, my dog, I had a dog, an Akita name, Samson, I called him both. He didn't like, he didn't like Thunder. So he would go get in the closet. Or I would let him go downstairs and go to the basement. Then he wouldn't hear any of it. But I don't think, I don't think they've never heard it.

And so I'm going to try to do everything I can to me. make sure because I don't want every time a loud noise go off, they think it's something and then they get spooked. Right. Isaiah the fourth said, had my second hit replace, have, had my second hit replacement Monday. Stay blessed. Isaiah, bro, you're going to live life again, man. I'm telling you, it was the best thing that, the only thing that I hate is that I waited

so long to get it done because here I am thinking I'm stretching and I'm doing all these exercises and it's going to make it better. and nothing made it better until I put that fresh titanium in there. Once I got that fresh titanium, now all of a sudden I'm living. I ain't just getting by, I'm not just surviving,

I'm living, I have life again. Does it bother you when it's cold though? Nothing. Like when you're in the cold, you know what I'm talking about, right? Sometimes when you have, okay, okay, okay. I mean, people saw it,

I put it up on my page, I can squat, I can leg press, leg extension, leg curl, I could do all that. You can still do all that? Yeah. Yeah. Man, Ocho.

Wait, you see a squat? Yeah. I don't, I don't do, I use the machines to squat. I don't, I don't use bar, but I was, I was doing a box squats with weight on my back. Okay, okay. But I ain't really like that. So I do pendulum squats and things of that nature, leg pressing. Man, Ocho, that thing got, everything hurt.

And I knew I was in trouble when I couldn't sleep at night. Because I couldn't find a position that was comfortable. Everything just ached. If I stood too long. No matter which way you turn. It didn't matter. Didn't matter. And,

and major boy, A, sex, now I'm good. Hey, what's wrong? You?

Hips on fire. I ain't like, oh, my shot, I said, yeah. It was, Ocho,

what's it? Hey, I told the doctor, I said, once he started messing with that, said, doc.

Because I was getting, I was getting the rejection. It's had to get surgery. It's had to get surgery, huh? Man. Hey. Hurtsle, I mean, Ocho, I'm talking about,

I'm talking about literally, literally. Hey, Ocho, I had to take pain kill him before I had sex. What? Yes. Yes, I'm literally. That bad? Crying afterwards. Wait, when you, what's, one side of your hip or both sides?

Both. Both. B-O-A-F, both of them hurt. Wait, how did it even get to that point? You got hit, you got hit. it's it's a reditary in my family um okay my uh my brother had he's replaced my sister about to get both of hers replaced i've had both of mine replaced so it's it's erreditary and uh my mom say i'm just my mom said i don't made it to 80 about to be 81 she said hey i'm good he's i ain't going i ain't going nowhere in a hurry anyway i say mama it ain't hurt bad enough i said because i said the exact same thing. I remember my brother, I was getting those injections. And he said,

you know what? He said, I got those injections. He said, but one day you're going to go and it's going to feel like you got a placebo. He said, he's going to feel like they gave you sugar water. And I remember that day, just like it was yesterday. It was June. I was getting ready to go to Atlanta. And I got the shot. And I remember walking out. And I was like, damn, it don't feel like like they did nothing. It was still hurting. It was still hurting. Even after I got, and it gave me shots in both of. I'm talking about he gave me a full syringe, both of them.

Ah. I got on the phone. I'm pulling out the parking deck. I called, I call my assistant. I said, call the doctor back and tell him I want to get my hair replaced.

That was in June. What's that procedure like? Well, it's different because in the old days, they went through my brother's glute. Now they just do an incision in the front of your leg. Break it,

take it out. Whoa. But they do a machine. They do a machine. See, now, It's surgical. They got a machine that just goes. It just lines it up.

Doctor just looking. All they did, the cord. And that machine does everything. Let it open. Pop it out. Put the new one in there. Ocho, I had the surgery on a Saturday. Yeah.

Five days. So that following Thursday, I was squatting, doing lunges and everything. Oh, so this is something simple. No, you got to know, you got a, you have to understand. understand. Now, I'm used to have you, an athlete, you used to dealing with pain. Because think about how long I did this, I dealt with that pain for three years,

four years. And so, I'm like, oh, I'm coming. Because now to get you out, because I had the surgery, I got in there at 6 o'clock, 630, did it start a surgery like 7.30. I was home about 1 o'clock. Okay, so it's not that long. I thought it was a tedious process.

No, the surgery is 90 minutes. To make you walk up and down a flight of steps three times, make you go to the bathroom, they get your ass up out of it. I said, you're going to get up out of here. We need this bed for somebody else. So I got up out of the Ocho. Oh, oh, I would go.

I'd take me like three or four ab bill of Tylenol to deal with that pain because I got a squat. I got to do all that stuff. I said, I'm coming up out of here. The first surgery, it took me 10 days to walk unassisted. So no walker, no crutches. The next one took me six days. Oh, I'm coming up out of it.

I knew what to expect. Right. I would have been smooth sailing but they gave me something Ocho and I had an allergic reaction so now I got hives everywhere I mean I got so now I got to go

to a UCL emergency a medical emergency they got to give me these shots I got to go to see it was just like but Ocho your boy healthy that yeah boy health at that that oh that's crazy

that's crazy I don't have any surgery obviously I didn't get hurt but what I did do the only thing I did do was you know in the ankle when you have bone spurs Yeah you know but the author

Arthur said the side stroke saved them hips You are Hey You ever had to get scope The little scopes Yeah I did the scope in my ankles

Like let's say just for the sake of Argonne like maybe on a Monday And man I'm back out there trying trying to run around probably Friday and Coach Lewis them had to throw me off the field. Oh, yeah. Angles still swollen. All that did was just a little cleanup.

Yeah. Bonespurs, it broke off. Oh, we had them line with them with, that's what the line with, we get scope on Tuesday and play on Sunday. Okay, okay, you know exactly what I thought about it. Yeah. And me, I had ankle problems. I had my man in my ankle used to kill me.

I had the nerves taking out my ankle. What? Yeah. You got to play? I had to play. Wait, hold on. How you get the nerves taken out your ankle? They dead in them.

they kill the nerd. You can kill the nerd. I had them kill. I said, I'm tired of this. So how are you going to feel? How are you going to feel it? It is what it is. I got a finite period of time.

I got a finite period of time to play NFL football. I don't do hassle and gretel. I don't say nothing for the trip home. I don't drop no bread from. I give you everything I got right then and there. So when it's over, it's over. That's why I was able to walk away and leave nothing. Hey, you could say I did this or I didn't do that.

Everybody that played with Sheldon know I gave you everything I had, I left no stone unturned, and I didn't save nothing for the trip home. But you say you took the nerves. I had it dead. They did. I feel nothing. Nothing. Just, you know, I didn't numb your tooth?

How did you put you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I had it numb, dumb, dumb, just done. Done.

Don't feel nothing. You thought me kicked me on my eye. I don't feel nothing. So you got your feeling back. Magneto, right? No, I ain't got no feeling in it. I'm good, Ocho. I don't need no feeling in it.

I need feeling somewhere up a little high up. I don't need a little high. I need to come on up a little high. That's where I need the feeling. You're talking about my ankle. What the ankle is going to do? I never heard of that. I didn't even know that was possible.

Man. That's dope. That's dope. Hey, Ocho, I had to do it. Hey, my girl, Faye. Faith said, Hashanah, Ocho, friend,

invest in yourself. Remember, you cannot reap the harvest the same day you plant the seeds. The heart of a man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

Keep growing, Ocho. Yeah. I like that, faith. Faith is, faith has been one of the ones that's been here

from day one. I tell you up from the very first time that we went, we went live back in September to what was that? Night? Because it was a Sunday. I think it was September.

night. Right. Faith, Lainey Ray, uncultured Jay, and it's one more. They've been here from day one. From the absolute start of it. So we want to really, really appreciate to God. Upgrade King said,

congrats on all this and says, Uncunucho. Ocho, you need a better background. Please. Scary money, don't make no money. Wait, what's wrong with my background? Uh, we're going to get you, what's called? We're going to get you a, you see how my sign is? We ordered a Yeah.

That's club, Sheesh. We order one that's go say Nightcap. I like that. But my background is what I do.

Listen, you know I smoke cigars. That's my cigar line right there. You know I love soccer. I love soccer to death. You know? Ocho. Ocho.

You're not a teenager anymore. You're about to make lots of money in that room. But I'm, I have lots of money already. And I still, you know. I tell you, you,

you ain't going to have. How much is we gonna be making? Okay. I know what to me because we two beasts. Exactly. But you don't like my, you don't like this? No, not really.

It represents me. I'm a gamer. You know, I'm a gamer, my bangles, you know? You ain't no gamer. How much you make gaming? Maybe only,

only about 35,000 a month, not that much. Because I don't do it enough. I mean, not that I don't do it enough. And just I have to put in the time, eight, nine hours a day. And you know who you don't,

You don't got that kind of time. Exactly. I had that kind of, you know who'd be on my ass about gaming too much. It's time that like, look, Unkin Ocho, we're professional. Right.

We got to, we got to have a different mindset. Right. So you don't like my thing? No. No. No. Cordale Holmes said,

Hey, guys, happy holidays to y'all and everybody in the chat. Questions with who y'all, what are your, what are y'all's top three men's cologne? Ocho, this is your area. area because I don't work alone. I haven't work alone since I was in college. So

this is take off. Hold on this is I'm so glad I'm so glad you asked. Dior Savage. That's that's one of them. This is that, that would be third. I'm gonna give my top three. I'm, I just took a picture of this for somebody else the other day. Uh, Louvitton Illuminis. I think I'm saying it right. Baby if you in the chat, please spell that correctly for me. Louvre, ah Louvitton Illuminis. That's the name of it. And the third, this is number one right now. I guarantee you.

Oh, here we go. I found it. It's called blue talisman. Blue talisman, like spell blue and then T-A-L-I-S-M-A-N. I ain't never smelled none like this. I ain't never smelt nothing like this. It smelled so good. I had to take a picture of it so I could tell somebody exactly what it was.

They kept asking me. People keep asking me what you're wearing. I couldn't remember the name, so I took a picture. Because every time they ask me, I just show them, I just show it to them. Blue Talisman, so good. That's my top three. I'm not sure if in the chat, y'all got something else that I didn't name, you know, let me know because I could always use some good cologne. When I was in college, Ocho, you know, I had Drake Carr.

You know what I said? You remember that Drake Car? What you know about? Hey, the red, the red bottle, like burgundy, a little bit. It was all black. Black body, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. And I had that Claibonlein' obsession with them pheromones in it. Yeah.

Man, I put that on, Ocho. Man, you couldn't hit me an ass with a red apple. You couldn't tell me the, I'll come up. You know, I bow-legged, you know, one-legging, and Bo-Legging in Ocho. Right, right, right, right. But I come out there on Joe. Oh, you see that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't been working out like I was supposed to, but you see that. Yeah. In 24, they're going to be on. I'm going to be joined down. George, because Jordan thinks, see, Jordan thinks he could be a better shape to me.

He leading to me. He don't even know. He don't even know. He'll do even know. He'll be doing to even know. You're going to lean up a little bit? Aublin, yeah. Just to beat him down to let him know.

But it's going to cost him $10,000. Oh, y'all bet, oh, y'all bet big. There 10,000 on it. Wait, hold on. You bet 10,000 that you can get leaner before he can. I'm going to be, I'm going to be leaner than him. By when? What's the date?

Whatever you want a date, do you want to say it? Okay. Hey, that's a big, boy. That's a big bet, that boy. I like I like that's a big man he won't just get paid for money he'll be okay

he can't do he be eating can to it all it now but this time he's going to be out of necessity he eat it right now because he won't you he'll need to eat it when I get done uncourt to J say

oh you try the finals yet also favorite game outside yeah oh cho you said excuse me it's an ocho yeah you tried the finals yet Also favorite game outside of EAFC. Last video game you played, no offense, but I'm trying to say take no bowl. Yeah, damn.

No. And your last game you played was 10 y'all fight. No, I don't know. I'd have to ask my daughter. She upstairsly. I mean, she probably was 2002. She probably was, I don't know, nine, ten, I don't know. It's been a way

Ocho, I didn't have time My time. You had time for video games now? I did not, Ocho, Ocho. I wake up at 9. I would wake up at, I would wake up, I would eat breakfast. I'd go to the track. I would spend two hours on the track.

I come back, eat, I would nap. I'd go to the gym for two hours. I would come back, sit in the cold tub, take a shower. I would stretch. That was, and then I would get massages three days a week. So I'd,

really didn't have time. Okay, okay. To like what my mind and I was all I was thinking, I'm writing down, okay, what I want to do this year. Okay, how am I going to do this? What do I need to do? A, A, B, P, I need you to send me, send me all the practice cutups of every time I ran, uh, why out.

Send me to cut up to every time I ran wide choice. Send me the game cut, uh, put up footage of when I ran flank a drive or when I, excuse me, when I ran, um, Fox 2, uh, X and Y hook or I'm, I'm just constantly watching. Okay. damn. That's why he, so, oh, Joe, I didn't. But listen, I didn't do it to the extent you did it, but I did it, but I also had my time to be able to enjoy the things that I like to do when I want to get away from the game. Like you have to have something that gives you.

Huh? I would go to the movies. Let me tell you what I did. Okay. See, you're just not a game, right? I understand. I get it. I went to the movies.

I went to the, I think it was probably about 10, 30, 11. o'clock. I went to the movies. I got home about about 1 a.m. I saw six movies. And people like, well, why did you say I want to see if I can do it? Right. I would push myself. I would go two days. I wouldn't eat. Just to see if I could do it. I wanted to know because I'm going to ask my body. I'm going to call on my body in the fourth quarter. Right. I needed to respond. You can't ask about you can't ask the body to give you something you didn't give it. You got to be able to put the, you don't know what a man can do until you. You don't know what a man can do until you put him to the test.

I'm trying to put you to the test. Every time I run around, I'm trying to put a DB to the test. I'm trying to put the line back into the test because I don't know if you can pass the test that I'm going to give you. Right. So, but I got to give myself the test first

because I can't ask you a question that I don't know the answer to. Answer too. I like that. So that, oh, it's your man, like I said, my kids, I love my kids so much because of what they didn't get an opportunity to do with their dad.

And I was wrong for that, but that was the only way I knew. That was the only way I knew. And, you know, when they, you know, they come at different times. My son hadn't been here in a while. He's married now. My daughter-in-law, got my grandson. But the two girls, they come and, you know, and we have conversations, and especially the oldest one.

The oldest one, and she's kind of more of a talker. And so I'll be laying in the bed and she'll come dead. What you're doing? I'll let nothing. So she'll get in the bed. And we'll talk about things. she's like, you know, how much she appreciate what I did. And although she didn't understand,

she appreciated and she understands now as she's an adult. And she understands why I work so hard. Yeah. And like find things that, and I always told them, look, I never pushed them in any direction until I saw the direction they were going in.

Once I saw the direction they were going in, now I'm going to push it. Because I never wanted my kids to get to be 25 or 13. and says I only did something because you wanted me to do it, Dad. So I was always mindful of that. Now, once you start something, you're going to finish it. You might not be, hey, you might not do it again next year, but you're going to finish it out this year.

You don't got my money and I had to buy all this. You know what for you to do? Uh-uh, you're going to do it. But now, Ocho, I had a singular focus. Like I said, I was no good. That's why I'm not, people are like, why are you not married? Because I had a singular focus. I was married to football.

I loved it. And I didn't have no affair. didn't cheat on it. Yeah. So, yeah. Balance is good, though, baby.

Ain't no balance to greatness. Ain't no balance to greatness. You think Tom Brady had a balance life? You think LeBron James have a balanced life. Jordan. Tell me the great player. Kobe,

that's your favorite guy, Kobe. You think Kobe had a balanced life? Hmm. You think Jeff Bezos and all these guys, I ain't talking about now. It's easy to be balanced now.

You're worth $130 billion. You're worth $200 billion. You were 50 billion. But getting, getting to that point. The trials and tribulations that you got to go through to get to that point. Okay.

I get where you're going. And the thing is that and you have to have somebody to because here's the thing. People ask the question, say, why does movie stars marry other movie stars? Because the other know what is like to live that life.

Yeah. To get into character. Right. To become something, to become someone. So unless you've been there and know what it's like, how can you possibly understand? Understand. I think that's a good one.

That's right. You're right. And so people, but why you eat the same thing over and over? Why you do the same thing? They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over. And expecting different results. I did the same thing over and over hoping for the same results because I had seen that success. That's all I wanted.

I like that. Or of it. I mean, success is a drug, Ocho. Yeah. Do you know what it was like when you scored your first touchdown? You wanted to score another one. No. When you got the first 100-yard game, you wanted a 200-yard game.

You wanted another. It's like, and there's nothing like that. They say heroin, which is one of the strongest drug. They say that burst high. They call it chasing the dragon. They say, you chase that, you want that feeling one more time. Yeah. But it takes more and more.

to get that. That's why you OD. I wanted that feeling I got with the very first touchdown that I scored. The very first time I saw those fans stomping their feet and I saw them in my jersey and they were applauded. They was applauding what I did.

Oh man. I never lost sight of that, the Ocho. They were applauding what I did, not who I was. Right. And a lot of times you say, well, guys get lost because everything, what they do is football or basketball. That's what I did.

That ain't who I am. Right. I'm a chameleon. I play football. I can talk. I can motivate you. I can coach you. I can teach you.

That's what I need guys to understand. Sports is what you do. That ain't who you are. Yeah. But do you know who you are? If I took that away from you, what could you be? Come on,

come on, we'll go, we'll go move on, you know. Pause, Sean, you're so good on this, so much better than TV. He's not limited to 90 seconds. Pawsmore, I really appreciate that.

It is what it is. Pause, you know, hey, that's what TV is. I like the four, but I do like the format that I had it undisputed.

I do. I love the format at ESPN because it does give me a chance to expound. It's a lot easier when it's a one-on-one with just Ocho and I, because, and plus, we can take as much time as we won't.

Yeah. It's our show. We don't have, and so we're not limited. We can go, hey, because originally, Ocho, you remember, we were only supposed to be 25 minutes. That ain't going to work. In the first night, we're like, man, we went an hour. I said, but man, Ocho, we left so much on the floor.

And I'm like, bro, I mean, what happens if we go an extra 30 minutes? But I'm like, we still leaving so much material on the floor. There's so much stuff that we need to get to. Yeah. And the next thing, you know, we was at two hours. And so, but I really appreciate you guys, man. Yeah. You know what I really like, though?

And I don't think people understand. Like, what we have in no disrespect to undisputed, no disrespect to first take. But what we have, the formula, the format in which we operate, it's so good. Yeah. It's so authentic. so organic because there's another element to it where we can be ourselves. Oh, for sure. Where things aren't where things aren't scripted. Obviously, we're going to talk football. Yeah, we don't talk football. That's cool. That's cool. Think about yesterday. Think about yesterday.

What I loved about yesterday was the disagreement about boxing and you tell me to pick something. And you're getting upset and you getting angry. And then me actually getting angry too because, you know what? You forget that. I don't, I don't feel like changing. The, the, the, the, The duel, the dual in personalities, the duel in beliefs. And being able to maybe not even compromise in that sense, but just have opinions and standing on business on what you believe in. And then coming right back the next day, shit, like nothing happened. That's it.

Like you can't get that and you can't get that nowhere else. That authenticity that we have. The chemistry is unmatched. Yes. It's unmatched. That's God-given. Because the thing is God-given. It is.

But here's the thing. You're passionate about what you believe in. I'm passionate. So you're supposed to have like, no, bro, no, it's not like that. This is what it's like. Because how can you not be passionate and be great at something? That's why they, what do they always tell you? Find something that you love and you can make money at it.

Yeah. Because you become passionate about it. And it don't feel like work. It doesn't feel like work. So many times, you know, hey, like what would, and I, oh, show, somebody said, man, if you weren't a six foot and 200-something pounds, you wouldn't have been great, you wouldn't have been a great football player. So I'd have been great at something else.

That's what I'd have been. I'd have been great at something else. But you never know what, what that something else would have been. I hate when I would say that. Because my thing was, I put my focus on, on, on, on, football, sports. So you mean to tell me with my mindset, I wouldn't have been a good lawyer?

Really, you think that? That's what you think? Wow. That'd have been great. I don't know anything but greatness. I don't know anything about hard work. Yeah. And when you're willing to work hard,

you're willing to pay a price to sacrifice. Oh, you can be great. But y'all, I don't let people tell me what I can and can't do. Xavier Samson said, Merry Christmas, Uncanotcho, love the show. I stay locked down. What's the best Super Bowl of all times? to y'all well

my first one the flu bow 32 we won I'm always going to take the one I mean but it's hard how do you not take one um you know uh what's that the Patriots and the uh uh the Seahawks

uh the Rams and the Bengals how do you not take that that was a good one the 49ers the 49ers uh 49ers, the one Jerry went off. They came back and they ended up beating you guys 20 to 16. Yeah. And Joe threw 200 X-Lant to JT. John Taylor.

I mean, there, they've been some good. Oh, the Steelers. The Steelers against the Cardinals with San Antonio Holmes toe tap in the back of the end zone. Back of the end zone. Yeah, that was a nice one. That's a corner of it. And listen, again, that Patriot's Falcons game that people thought was over because it was 283.

The Giants Patriots. The Eli. That was a good one. Both of those, both of those soups were good because Eli made two-gate throw. That throw to Mario Manningham. Manningham on the sideline.

Oh, Joe. He got his toes in. Oh, Cho. That was nice. Against two men. And he got to get it up and down because the safety coming. Coming right away.

And guess what? Everybody knows in the stadium, like, they can see like, oh, my goodness, he's about to get blown. The safety know he's coming, and Mario Manningham knows he's coming. Coming, yeah. Yeah.

So for me, I assume both 32 because we beat the Packers. We were, what, 11, 12-point underdogs, and the NFC had won 14 straight Super Bowls. So we broke the stranglehold. So that's my favor. Joseph Groshek donated $200 and said, my son wants to be a fullback. If the full-back position done in the NFL, for the most part, yeah. Yeah, except the 49s. The 49ers have a fullback and the Ravens.

That's basically two or 32 teams, though, Ocho. How many fullback you think they're going to carry it on a roster? You're right. Well, you know, how do you say the fullback's name, the last name? Why is check? Use check. He can catch out the back field and all. And Richard?

Mm-hmm. I think it's Richard or Ricard. I think it's Richard. Yeah, yeah, no, no, bro. Hey, if he could play running back, let him play running back or let him move to the defensive side. Unc, I watched him film a Ocho. Man, Uncle was always so open on the deep ball.

Can you ask him what was some of his techniques to get so much separation, particularly on the deep ball? Step on them toes, baby. Step on them toes every time, every time. And, I mean, I'm trying to think my, my, my thing was always getting from from point A to point B. I really, I really, I rarely, rarely, sat there and made moves that line,

rarely, rarely. I pick a side I want to go to. I dip that shoulder really low and just get up out of there right away. You know, obviously I was cat quick. Not trying to boast anything. I was, I was cat quick. So that was an advantage I had to myself. And most DBs that were a little bigger,

No, they try to be aggressive, try to play bully ball, and it would always be a mistake. It would always be a mistake because I would counter that by just getting low and get right on round now. Yeah, you reach, I teach. Basically. The world fastest thing, you look for me out of it and gone. Yeah, yeah. Merry Christmas, anonymous donated. Merry Christmas, fellas.

Thank you for all the great content, the best podcast by far. Quick questions. If you could play for one team today, which team would you play for? That's a good one. I like Andy Reed. I love Ray. Because I know, I mean, he was in,

he was in Green Bay with my brother. Norris wife and met him at the Pro Bowl. So Big Red. And they got, they're going to throw that rock. Tram, you have to share some of the ball with your up. Shoot, I like them. Football, football, because I know y'all, somebody goes to my balls.

You talk about balls, football. Yeah, probably back in Cincinnati To see what it's like But they got Yeah, you got Joe With Joe Burrell thought at the helm Yeah, but what's it called What you call them gonna get all the rocks though man

You ain't gonna be getting them rock Like you got last time Chase, you know who that Hey, that's my dog now He'll create a car Now we're gonna have to split them Mm-mm We're gonna split them

What do what T Higgins gonna do Me and T. Me and T going to split too Well, matter of fact, you know what Matter of fact, I go back, I just want to, I just need, just put me in no third down. That's all. No, you ain't going to be no third day. You ain't no third down guy.

You ain't no guy. You ain't wired like that. But I'm just saying. Who do you think? Who do you think you tried to fool? I'm a team player. I'm a team player. I'm just saying.

Yeah. Okay. Man, you know what? You know how when you say something? You don't even believe it yourself. Yeah. You're talking about you. I'm just saying.

It's hypothetically speaking, you know, I just, that'd be dope. Just to play in this area in general with the way the rules are relaxed now, too. Yeah. Mitch Evans asked, Hey, Uncan Ocho, when were the first time you met each other? I interviewed him at CBS.

I think it was my second year there. So it had to be like 05. Oh, wow. I was in my prime then, too. That, a, oh, five, that's, that's blonde Mohawk, Ocho, huh? I think it might have been 05 you put it up

if we interview I was CBS it might have been 05-06 damn yeah man I don't even remember that yeah you had you had an apartment

with a couch and a painting on the wall that's all you had in Cincinnati yeah okay okay okay you see you see I said that's all I had

I ain't need nothing else I didn't need nothing else uh that would Oh, my goodness. Jeremy Shepard asked, Unk, I was a feel, okay, we already got that one. Oh, poster child said,

Messi and Unk versus Ocho and Cristiano Ronaldo. Who wins 202 soccer field? Man, we're going to get killed, man. Yeah, y'all are? No, me and Messi on a team. You and Cristiano Ronaldo. Yeah. Oh, man, man, we're going to destroy y'all.

You're crazy. You're a liability on the pitch. Your liability. Me and messy. Oh, I got the goat, two down lefty. See, messy and lefty. You got the goat. The goat is Cristiano.

No, messy the goat. Chrissono's the goat. Nah. The Bell and Doorballs. He got the World Cup. Stop it. I ain't trying to hear all that, man. Stop it.

I ain't trying to hear all that. Messy. Now, when it comes to IG, there's nobody, man. I think he got like 600 million followers. Who that? Cristiano. Yeah.

He's the most followed guy on IG, but he can't see messy. That's a whole, that's a whole other conversation. We can see here for hours and hours in debate. Christopher Hogue said, what, when was your, I love you, what was your I love football moment? I love football moment, but that started, that started way back. Yeah. Way back. I mean, for me, I love football was all I had.

You know, football was my way out. That was the green light to change the circumstances for myself. My family at that time. Yeah. My daughter just, I mean, if you just won at that time, nah, I got a whole football team. But, yeah. Yeah, but football was my everything. I just knew it would get me out of, I mean, obviously the area I'm from.

I left Liberty City without really leaving, if that makes sense. because it was still in me even though I left. And I made sure to represent that to the fullest, even though I had left the front porch. But yeah, probably it started like really got serious. Probably junior high, right before high school. You understood how important those next four years were, especially once you got to college.

Yeah, that was kind of for me, Ocho, when I figured out, like, when I found out that they played that I could, like, I could get paid to play football. Like, really? Oh, yeah. And then I found out, because you know, back then, you know, $100,000 back then, when I first understood football, man, 100,000? Back then.

What? Man. And I started, like, and I started seeing watching Miami Vice. I don't know when you were really young with Miami Vice. Brock, prox and Tubbs. Crocs and Tubbs. Yeah. And the Ferrari, when they were wearing the Ferrari and the Leroy and the Ferrari.

Yeah. Yeah, man, white. It was white. Magnum T. I had the red one. Yeah. They had the white one. The road had a Rolex. I said, man, look here, man.

Football was there for me, Ocho. I mean, I was actually, I was better in basketball and track and field than I was in football, but because my brother played football. You was better at track and field? I was better at track and field. I'm going to need to see footage. Three-time state champ, high point trophy, best performance, trophy. you know the high point trophy

me you're going to the most points in the state meet I did that the best performance told me I was a class A

it doesn't happen often I was in class A and I was the best jumping in the state beat double A AAA triple A Quad A 5A As a matter of fact

I held a state record until like I had to have a state record for 35 years old Joe I just want to see the record by two feet I know you got VHS. I know you got some VHS tape somewhere.

I need to see the footage. I got a VCR. Show me the footage. Oh, too. I didn't need no footage. You go back to check, look at the records, though. All right. I'm going to check the record.

I'm going to Google the records right now. What's the name of the school? Glenville High School. Glenville High School. Joseph Groshek just donated another 200. Go pack. Go. Shannon, could you imagine you and Sterling a bill?

You and Sterling on the Packers together? No. He'll ball home. And I ain't like, I ain't like Ocho talking about split the wrong. No. Sharing is Karen. You learned that in kindergarten.

I did. We shared enough when we grew up. Nope, no, no. At that point in time, Ocho, now, after I had started to develop now, because you have to understand,

I'm three years, I'm three years younger than he is. So we're in high school at the same time. Even though we didn't go to the same college, we're in college at the same time. So the comparisons were there. Even when I was in Denver and he was in Green Bay, so can you imagine if we're on the same team?

Now it's time for me to make a name for myself. It's time for me to show that I'm more than Sterling's little brother. Right. And even though, man, you know, you got this. I said, my brother can't catch no passes for me. What the hell? How are you going to get me somewhere? I say, you don't understand what this ain't college.

Yeah, you see that. that's a that that's a that you see that number two they're still talking about that they're still talking about it no but uh i think the thing was it was best that he did he was where he was i was where i was and because you know i was 192 in the seventh round he was number seven in the first round so obviously and you know he was good he was a round runner he was tremendous run after the catch so you had you think he was a better catcher you better catcher of the football than your he's right here You see that right there? I don't know about that.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a natural, I'm a natural catch on the ball. Yeah, I'm a natural catcher. I'm a natural catcher. Yeah. Boy, this said, Ocho, what two players in the hall do you feel shouldn't be there in the hall? Man, everybody that's in there should be there.

Boy, if they should be there, they're in there for a reason. Yeah, he's like, should not be there. And who the hell am I to say they shouldn't be? Man, that's a loaded question. Because you know if they say, they're going to say, you know, Hall of Fame member, Shannon Sharp said such as such. Oh, right.

So for me, hey, I ain't got no vote. I don't did what I did. So that's y'all job. Y'all, hey, y'all critique and do whatever you want to. That's why I stop asking. You know, that's like, bro, stop asking me. Y'all know, y'all put,

y'all put who y'all want to put in there anyway, so whatever. Merry Christmas. How did it feel when the Ravens went five-week scoreless, and this is my third time asking, hope you, hope to see you. It was frustrating. Because the defense ball and lights out. We just scored touchdown for five weeks.

I think we won three of those games, didn't we? We won three of those games by not scoring a touchdown. That's how dominant our defense was. So you'll never see that again. No, hell not. You'll never see that again. But it was frustrated. I think the thing that really helped me, Ray, and Woody, we were extremely close.

And I remember having a conversation with Ray. He's like, She, come on, man, y'all got to give us something. I say,

I understand it. I say, right, you do realize they take teams to Super Bowls, not defenses. Yeah. So it doesn't matter how great y'all are.

We're going to figure it out. Right. We want two of the five. We won two of the five. Okay. One, two, lost three in a row.

But I think the thing was, Ocho, that we figured out that how we needed to play. Run the football. Stop trying to, Florida trying to be something because Ryan came from at that point in time I think the Minnesota Vikings had scored the most points in a season you know that he was the

offensive coordinator when they had Randy and C.C. and Jake Reed and and Robert Smith, you know, they had that high fly and offensive line. I mean, the offensive. Yeah. And so now you coming in there and you think, bro, you got me and Jermaine and Codry and Travis Taylor was drafted the first round. You got Patrick Johnson, bro. You ain't got that.

Travis Taylor. Yeah. I say, that ain't what we are. We got Jamal, who's a rookie, who's a battering ram, let's use it.

And it's fast. Big man, mom. Bro, people are, I just wish if he really took it serious, he'd have been in the hall. Yeah.

A guy his size, I mean, Jamal ran like four or three at two 35. Oh, yeah. He can move. He's moving now. Yes. Yes.

And the thing was, even when he was in college, he would come to the track and work out with us. And I'm like, like, he from, he went to, uh, he went to Doug. And I'm like, damn, who, who big fella? I'm like, man, what, I mean, who you play for that, man? I'm in college. College. What big ass in college for? But, hey, he was, he was the real deal.

Uh, Zach Miranda said, Uncle Nocho, love you guys. Such an inspiration. Feel like you guys are my own uncles. Been supporting you, been supporting since the beginning. Best Christmas game, you guys have seen. Hope you and your fam have an amazing Christmas. Damn. Best Christmas game?

That's a good one. Because I don't really remember no Christmas game. Oh, yeah, I don't remember off the top of my head. I know we got one tomorrow night. I know that. Well, today, actually. Yeah. And hopefully it's a very, very good one.

Yeah. I want to see a barn burner. Who you got? Who you got? I took the 49 of the home. Yeah, okay. I took the 49 of the home. All right.

Diska returning donated 50 dollars said, pray for the suffering in Gaza. Love you, Uncan Ocho. Do you think tight ends have been game planned out of the modern NFL? Hell no, do you see Kelsey? You see Leporta? You see Hawkinson?

Fredgson from Dallas? No. What's the one? What's the one from Chicago? Oh, you caught command? Commet. Commet. He's nice.

They're being used more now than ever before. Because when I play, they're like two or three of them. Me, you know, early on it was me, uh, uh,

Brent Jones, novichick and Ben coach. Hey, J Novichick. Yeah. I forgot about Jay. Now, you know,

when back in the late Sanby's early 80s, it was basically, uh, Ozzie and Kellen. That was it. It was one or two. Now, I mean,

you got Kelsey, you got Leporta, you got Hock. Hawkinson, you got Kittle, you got Mark Andrews, there's more of them doing what that only a handful can do when I played.

So no, they've been game playing end because they're so skilled now. Ele Valescos, Merry Christmas from Orlando, Uncan Ocho, my wife, Anno. And I love watching and listening to you guys.

We appreciate both of you for always showing up and putting on a great show. So Eli, Eli, I said Ellie, Eli, but let's go. Thank you, Eli. I really appreciate that support. Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We really, really appreciate that.

Leave Nelson B said, Uncanocho, happy holidays. Y'all are my heroes. You see basketball players, rapids, getting friendly. Do football players get celebrity-friendly, or are y'all more blue-collar amongst yourselves? Nah, hell, man. You see how the joke is trading jerseys now?

but I think they don't start they don't cut some of that out because I think they're charging $400 for every jersey they trade so now spending $5,000 on jerseys. It ain't yeah. No more than that. 7,000 by 7 so 400 a game 10 games that's 4,000 and then another seven games. Oh yeah, they put it almost $7,000 for Jersey. No. Oh, Joe, but that you ain't supposed to have by the time you retire you want to. have 150 jerseys.

You want everybody jersey. Jersey. Yeah. I mean, depending on who it is. You know, you got some people that play together in college.

You have some people that are friends from childhood friends and, you know, you want to exchange jerseys. But just exchanging jersey and just to exchange. Yeah. And then, hey,

do that in the locker room. Do that, do that in the hallway. Right. Right. You don't like, you don't like exchanging jerseys? You ain't exchange jerse with nobody

when you play? No? I got, TD and I traded Pro Bowl jerseys. Yeah. And Ray and I. I'm talking about regular season. Like,

you know, after the game. Me and Ray traded my last, my last year, my last year in Denver, Ray and I traded. I went back to Baltimore, played in Baltimore,

and he had not exchanged jersey. That's the only, he's the only player jersey. I got, I didn't got my brother's jersey. Right. But no. That's crazy.

Quantez says, Uncle Nocho, this show is entertaining, but y'all have reignited a fire in me to do better in life. God bless y'all and thank you. Also, I'm a power lift. I'm curious to know what y'all workouts split. The most I've ever benched is 470 pounds. The most I've ever deadlift was about 600. Most I've ever squatting was about 570.

But that was a wide receiver doing that. Right. The most I've ever bench was, I think, 315, maybe twice. I'm not sure if that counts. Somebody touched the bar. The most I've squatted was 675. 125? Nah, I squat with Nick Chubb.

No. Me and Chubb squat the same. We've got the same weight. Dumbelt, dumbbell press. I like doing dumbbell presses for some reason. I mean, the most I've been able to do. 75. No, no, about 150, 150.

When I'm when I'm in my, what's the word I'm looking for? You ain't gonna do no one 50s. I want to see you do hundreds. Remember, I sent you the picture where I was, where I was big as hell. Yeah, during that time, I'm doing 105. I'm gonna give you 105. No, no, no, I was doing 150s. I'm not playing, I'm not playing.

You can find the footage is still up on Twitter. No, it ain't up there. I just don't know how to, I don't know how to go back that far. Did they see you, did they see you when I jumped over Al Harris? I had sent it to me. I don't look like a little kid, man. Did I jump over him, though? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was dope. I mean, I'm going to be, I'm going to get props. How many tidings you know running comeback? Name a tight end that you think can run a comeback. Wait, you weren't, you won that receiver? You was out of the wire. Yeah, thank you. But you ain't answered the question.

What tidy in currently played that you believe can run a comeback on a corner? Right now? Yes. Take your time. Ain't nobody. They ain't got nobody out there like that. Ain't anybody got the kind of speed to get a nigga,

God, they get somebody up off of him. My bad. Yeah. I closed that, hey, I eat that cushion up in a hurry, Ocho. Yeah. That's a take away. And that thing,

there ain't no, hurt, hurt, hurt, in the, just, that's it. You don't see that stop.

You see that stop. Yeah. And I'm coming up out of that thing. Mm. But we threw a high, I had to go up there, get a head back. Spread the legs.

He could go right up on my page. That was slick. Yeah. So you thought, oh, I just, you know, listen, I'm a visual. I'm all about the visuals.

If I can't see it, you might say it, but I need to see it so I get a better understanding on what you're talking about because then if I don't see it, if you ain't got no footage, I think you're lying.

Lap or what? I'm just saying. Run his speed out. And what time did you know? I'm talking about a speed out. 10 roll to 12. I ain't talking about stopping breaking out. Like you run like you run.

Like you run. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. I'm talking about, yeah, you see. Oh, you're hurt. Oh, man, what you know about 10 roll to 12? Run the bang. Outside foot back.

Back foot. With it. They're here to see them right now. Seven steps. Bar right there on your chest. Okay. I need to see. I need to see footage, though.

Run the over. I run it all. Oh, Joe. I can run it all. Run shake. Yep. I need to see, I need to see this question. I'm gonna go on YouTube.

They're crazy. Crazy old show. Can you imagine, imagine if I was in today's game. Ooh. And they couldn't touch, because, you know, all that clutching and grabbing, they don't allow now, all the incidental content. Man, I eat the boys are like catfish.

Read them like the morning paper. The Cape pool would be Ocho. Yeah. That's crazy. Merry Christmas people. Huh? I hope you all got me a gift. You know what, uh, what you think?

What you think Real got you? You know what? Boy, I don't know. But if she know me as everybody else know me, there's about three things that you know I love. You know I love. cigars. You know, I love gaming

but I have everything that a gamer could have or want so it can't be anything in that area. That's a good one because I don't really want to. I love tank tops. Tank tops, white teas.

Yeah, we know you love prison guard. Dickies. You can't have enough. You can't have enough white teas and I love Dickies. I love Dickies Because those are the things That I'm gonna actually use and wear

Not getting the Christmas gift You know you get it You smile at it And you sit it somewhere And you never get worn And never use Mm-hmm Like those are things

I'm actually going to put to use Um Sox I love socks It's weird It's weird I'm very simple man Bro you can be talking

Like you had a homeless shell To talk about socks And teeth The only thing that you donate to the shell nature shelters. No, I'm just, I'm just telling you the stuff that I, it's weird. I ain't, I ain't into, you know, you know me, I ain't into all that flashy shit and, you know, and high-end stuff.

You know, I'm gonna need somebody to buy me a Patech. The who? A Patec. A Patech, Philippe. What kind of car is that? That's a watch. Oh, I know you're talking about. Yeah.

You got the square face a little bit. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I need that. L what you call the boy? An AP. Yeah. You got an AP. I saw it on your wrist. See how you be lying on your show?

You gave food. I don't know why. I thought you were going to lie. I wouldn't lie to you. I wouldn't lie to you. I know, but I ain't say it. I ain't used my saying. Not only when I say that, I'm not lying.

But you were supposed to lie. You not supposed a lie to me. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. Oh, you forgot. Oh, you forgot. that of all the things you can forget,

you forgot you got an AP. Yeah, because I don't really value watches like that. That was something that she thought I would have, I would have liked and, you know, she helped me with that purchase. So, yeah. Man, we must be nice.

We got anybody help me with a purchase. I mean, listen, you got them lined up. You just ain't panning no mind. You got them lined up. You just ain't pan in the mind. There's only so much I can do it. Like I told you, I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink.

Ain't, ain't no water in the trough. It's water in now. You tell me, it's a trial footbed and tell me, hey, come on to you. Hey, trust me, it's water in now. You just, you just, you're not, you're not looking. You're not looking. The water's there.

Yeah. It ain't, it ain't, it ain't nothing to get wet. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait to see my baby. I can't wait to see her open up your gifts, man. Or your daughter. What?

I, I, I, I, I just, I've seen it before. Obviously, most of my kids are grown. They older now. But it just, it, it. The excitement that they have. Because now, you know, she's one, you know, we got technology. I got the camera. I just, I can't wait.

I can't wait. I'm excited. Like, I can't wait. Like, when we get off, I want to, I got to drive to the big house. I want to wake her up just to open, just open, just open one. Just open one. I just want to see what happened. No.

Ray, are you still up? No, Ray says you sleep. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for watching another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. We gained 2,000 followers while we're in the chat tonight.

So now we're at 500 and 38,000 subs. We greatly appreciate it. We've also penned Shea by La Portier link at the top of the chat. Christmas is upon us if you're on the East Coast. It's about to be upon us on the West Coast. Go get yourself a bottle. Christmas is a little. a little late, but you got New Year's,

you got Valentine's, and you got President's Day. So there's always a reason to celebrate. Every day, listen, every day you open them eyes. There's a reason to celebrate and be thankful. Yeah. Every day.

You know, look at this. Uh-huh. Bet y'all don't know where these are. Them shoes. Them Joins. Them 11s. They ain't no levels. Yeah, it is?

No. That's a size 11. No, I'm a 13. Oh, my bad. Well, your foot, their shoe looks small. Now, what shoe is this? Nah, uh, huh? Nah, can't take nobody here.

I don't know. I don't know about that. I don't know about George. If it ain't one. Merry Christmas. I love y'all. Thanks for joining us. I'm your favorite sports.

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Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast. The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok.

Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.