The Herd with Colin Cowherd - OBJ, Dak Prescott, NCAA, NFL attendance

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

Colin discusses the rumored Odell Beckham Jr. trade, why Dak Prescott is upset with the Cowboys, the possibility of colleges trimming some programs, and why the NFL having games with no fans would be fine. Guests include Nick Wright, Greg Jennings, Michael Pittman, and Mike Renner. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go on a Wednesday live in now suddenly sunny Los Angeles, 75 degrees. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We are live on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, IHeart Radio, XM Series Channel 83. Joy Taylor is joining me. We have some breaking news potentially. Joy, how are you this morning? I'm great. I'm very excited for today's show. There's a lot going on today.

There is a ton going on today. Light at the end of the tunnel for the virus. A lot of reporters are bleak and dark and it's the end of the world. We're getting very good news, good news with a lot of things happening, and how about this? WFAN Radio. reporting this morning, Brown's Vikings in discussion on a trade that would send OBJ to the Vikings for a couple of picks next year. Trade's not done. Deal has been discussed.

Now, OBJ is a very interesting player. Remember in New York? Oh, he's not going to get traded. We are not trading him. They squashed all the rumors. He got traded. OBJ's got big boy agents working for him. There's a lot of missing.

information on the market with OBJ. I will say this funny OBJ story. I've never thought he fit in Cleveland. He partied in Paris. He has a house in Bel Air in Hollywood in Los Angeles, either both or one, and he lived in New York. Cleveland's not his vibe,

and I never thought it fit. About three or four days ago, could have been longer. I had a discussion with one of my bosses. There was a dog in his yard. He didn't know whose dog it was. Moments later, OBJ walked into his house. yard. Hey, there's my dog. There's my OBJ local LA story. He's an LA guy. He's a New York guy. He's a

party in Paris guy. It doesn't fit in Cleveland. This is great for OBJ. It's great for everybody. But OBJ played nice. He's an icon. LeBron's an icon. He left Cleveland twice. This is not a good fit for him. It's the supermodel marries a plumber. And the plumber has to overcompensate. feels desperate and clingy, and at some point the supermodels like, you're wearing me out, give me space. Cleveland has overcompensated day one for OBJ. Baker Mayfield's stats when he tries to throw to OBJ are dreadful. Why?

Because he's throwing to him when he's not open. He's trying to make it work because Baker Mayfield knows that OBJ is an icon and an all-time talent, and it's not a great fit. They've been overcompensating in Cleveland day one. This is great for OBJ. He's not a kid that deals with chaos. He was never a problem at LSU. He was never a problem in New York.

Then New York got rid of Tom Coughlin. Chaos entered the building and he struggled with it. I talked to him about this one time for a half hour. We talked. FaceTime. And then he goes to Cleveland. Chaos. Cleveland was never a good fit for his personality.

Minnesota is a great fit. Winning culture. Great front office. Lots of stability. Veteran head coach. quarterback that's been in the league that gets the ball out in time. They wouldn't depend on him. They've got a good running back in Delvin Cook.

They've got Adam Thielen. They've got two good tight ends. They've upgraded their offensive line. He would work right in. No chaos. Grownups in the building in a division where Green Bay is really good and Minnesota. Remember, the Vikings are in a Super Bowl window. One playmaker for them can make the difference.

Cleveland's not in a Super Bowl window. Cleveland's window is we got to get this Baker-Mayfield thing right. We got to make this kid work. And this is great for Cleveland. This is not bad for Cleveland. It's great for Cleveland. When you're in a relationship

and you're desperately trying to make it work, that's not a good relationship. You cannot have an uneven relationship. Boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, team player. It doesn't work. OBJ doesn't fit Cleveland. And Cleveland has been

overcompensating day one. Baker Mayfield's got plenty of weapons. They've got to get this kid right. Now, Baker drives me nuts, but he is an NFL quarterback, and he's good for the league. He's polarizing. He's controversial. He's good for the league. Baker is good for the league.

His personality would drive me nuts, but he's good for the league, and he is a franchise quarterback, and I know Cleveland, you think I'm nuts on this. This is a great potential trade for Cleveland. Remember, you told me John Dorsey was great. I said he wouldn't last long. I was right. You told me Freddie Kitchens was going to work. I told you it wasn't going to work.

I was right. You said, Baker's absolutely a number one pick. I said, no, he's not. He's a franchise quarterback. He's not a number one pick. He's not. I was right. So I've been nothing but right.

You've been nothing but wrong. This is great for Cleveland. This is great for Cleveland. They just picked up in free agency, a very good tight end, Austin Hooper. Now they have David and Joku and Austin Hooper. Two excellent tight ends. Probably the best two tight end group in the league.

They have two really good running backs. They have Jarvis Landry's a star receiver. And it's the deepest wide receiver draft in years. After they get a tackle with their first pick, go draft receivers. And one linebacker. This has never been a healthy relationship. It has always been unbalanced. Icon and dumpster fire full of chaos.

Now, I do think Cleveland just hired Kevin Stefanski. I think he's the right coach. I think he's going to work. I think he's going to add stability. I really, really like their roster when they get left tackle salt. But I have been saying this now. This is the ultimate Colin was right. I have been saying this now for Joy, as my witness, for a year.

It doesn't fit. It doesn't work. Cleveland's trying to wedge it in. Everybody's overcompensating. Anytime OBJ has a drop pass, you know, it's my fault. The weather was bad. You're overcompensating. Let's get him to Minnesota.

So OBJ wins because he gets structure. and he flourishes with it. Minnesota wins because they're in a Super Bowl window. They need another playmaker, potentially. And Cleveland wins because they got to get Maker Mayfield right and he's not good with OBJ. He thinks he is. He's not a lot of things.

He's done a lot of things he thinks are right. Calling out the medical staff, they're not. Baker, trust me, you had your birthday yesterday. This is your birthday present. It was Baker Mayfield's birthday yesterday. This is his present. You got Injoku, Austin Hooper, two good days. backs, you're going to have a new left tackle, you've got a right tackle, you got Jarvis Landry,

you'll draft another wide receiver. I mean, it's literally lining up perfect for Cleveland. It's perfect. They're going to get a couple of picks next year if this thing goes through. Now, according to the report, the deal is not done. And that's fine. It may not happen. But don't tell me, well, everybody is saying, Jay Glazer this morning, he has big news tonight. Jay Glazer this morning, big news said this is not the news. It's something else. But he didn't say it couldn't happen. And I think it should have. And happy birthday to Baker Mayfield, a day after your birthday, this is potentially, you don't get it yet. You don't get it yet.

It's almost like when you were a little kid and maybe you had a real serious parent. And you know, you wanted a toy truck or you wanted a cool toy and your parents got you a winter jacket. And you're like, 11 years old and you're like, it's a terrible birthday present. and then on a really cold day you wore the jacket and you were that was the best present you ever had. You're your old kid, you want something fun. Your parents didn't get you something fun for your birthday.

They got you something responsible. And then later on you're like, boy, that's a good present. Boy, I needed that winter jacket. That's OBJ getting traded your winter jacket, Baker. I know there's a lot of cool things you probably want. This is it. Good for OBJ, good for Minnesota, and good for the Cleveland Browns and Baker Mayfield.

If it happens. Oh my gosh. It's very exciting. It's very exciting. Sometimes, I got to be honest with you, there are days that like an hour before the show, I'm like, oh, there's a lot going on. And Joy is in on the meetings today. And I kept saying, this is going to be a good show.

We have so. You were very fired up this morning. I was incredibly fired up this morning. So I have what I thought was going to be my lead today. I'm going to push to the next segment. And I love this story. I am not going to defend Dak Prescott. I'm not.

But I'm going to try to explain what Dak Prescott did, which is have a party at his house. Now, he's disputing 30 people. He's saying it's 10. TMZ reports 30. Dak says 10. Let's say it's 15. I don't know. I don't think it was a great move.

And I'm not going to defend Dak. but I am going to explain why DAC did it. You're probably going to push back on this, but it's something psychologists talk about all the time. And that is next. And the Cowboys are pissed. Stephen Jones came out yesterday and addressed the party story, not happy.

Dallas is upset. Also tonight, Jake Glazer's got Fox football now. Apparently he's got a massive story. I texted him this morning, he wouldn't tell me. So he's got a massive story, and it's going to be on the show tonight, and you need to watch. It's a big one, but it's not the OBJ thing. Again, OBJ, WFN in New York, one of their personalities says Minnesota, Cleveland talking about it. And for the record, the New York Giants for six months denied it.

Remember when they denied it six months? And I kept saying, it's not what I'm hearing. Don't buy it. trades happen when it's good for everybody. OBJ to Minnesota is good for Baker. It's good for Cleveland. It's good for OBJ. It's good for Minnesota.

Don't tell me. Don't tell me they haven't had a phone call. Don't tell me that. Because you and I know, OBJ is not ending his career in Cleveland. You get that, right? Like you got that LeBron wasn't ending his career in Cleveland, first and second time, right? Icons don't end their careers in Cleveland. OBJ's career is not ending in Cleveland.

100% guaranteed. You know it and I know it. So all these trade rumors, people can deny them all they want. You and I both know. He ain't settling down in Ohio. He's not going to the Bengals and he's not going to the Browns.

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Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tabramos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. You're not going to believe this. Joy Taylor just gave me this gem. OBJ rumor to be going to the Vikings. I think it's a great, great fit for Minnesota and Cleveland and Baker and OBJ. Joy, if you would, tell me the scoop you just unveiled. Odell's mother was born in Wyndham, Minnesota.

Heather Van Norman was inducted into the Minnesota State High School League Hall of Fame in 2017. Deal's done. Deal is done. Okay, here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. So you know the source that gave me the Tom Brady to Tampa Bay story? You guys know about that, right? I don't know if you've heard.

I broke the story. Yeah. And anyhow, no big deal. The same source just texted me. Objay wants out. He's been a good soldier. He's not going to make a big deal. He'll deny it.

He wants to get along with everybody. O.B.J's been, Joy and I have talked about this. OBJ has been a very good soldier in Cleveland. He is not. Now, has he been kind of, you know, projecting on Instagram? Yeah, because he's in the middle of nowhere and he's a superstar. But just this is OBJ, let's just say this. ObJ will not go public. He knows Minnesota's a good place. He knows it's a good fit. I'm just going to leave it at that. I have another story here I want to talk about. I'm not going to defend Dak Prescott.

Prescott had a party in this house, over 10 people. It's a bad look during coronavirus. Not going to defend him. I am, however, going to try to explain how he potentially could be thinking. Stephen Jones, cowboy's owner, along with Jerry, was not happy about it. We certainly have communicated with Dak and Zeke, and I think they're certainly aware now of how sensitive these situations are, and I don't think you'll be seeing that anymore. There's certainly guys that we have that most respect for, and I certainly know they understand the sensitivity of, you know, of the situation we're in today. It's certainly very serious and something that certainly know they understand. So, Dak holds a party when he knows better.

Dak also, according to this story, won't be participating in a virtual off-season program without a new deal. Dak is pushing back. When you own a restaurant, I happen to be in this business now. Why do you give your best general manager a piece of the business? Because you get a different employee when they have a little bit of juice, when they get dividend checks. You find a great GM in the restaurant business, you give them a piece of the ownership. Not a big piece, you give them a piece because you get a different employee. Dak Prescott is the only guy not getting paid in Dallas. Do I believe if Dak had a $200 million contract today, he throws that party? No, I do not. he would have a different sense of responsibility.

Dak Prescott now does not have a contract with the Cowboys. 40, 24, two division titles, a playoff win. Linebacker got paid running back two years early. I'm a quarterback, quarterback league. I know what you're saying, Colin, this makes no sense. It makes complete sense. Go to psychologists. Psychologists will tell you that when you work from home, which many people are doing,

you need to get dressed, even wear a tie. Why is that? Because psychologists will tell you I'm looking at reports here that getting dressed signals to you a sense of responsibility, a sense of putting on suitable clothes. Instead of being in your PJs or warmups and you're knocking down Cheerios and you're doing your Zoom, wearing more official business-like clothes changes your attitude. So let me ask you this. If wearing different clothes, ask yourself, do you feel different if you went to a meeting in board shorts or a suit? Jerry Seinfeld wears a suit during stand-up? Why?

Ask him. Makes him feel more authoritative, more professional. He's going to perform. He wants to look his best. Don't you feel better when you go out of the house and look really good? We all do. This is not a debate. So if that just wearing clothes is different, for a man, an alpha male, you don't think an organization giving him respect and $250 million.

Does it make him feel more responsible, more loved, more part of the team? When do people act out? When do you act out? When have I acted out? When I don't get my way. When I don't get my way, I'm not the same employee. I'm a good worker at Fox. They treat me well.

They show me respect. If they didn't, can I guarantee I'd have the same 5 a.m. waking up every day, the same drive to work, the same attitude. People act out when they don't get what they want and they feel they've earned it. Dak is 40 and 24.

He's got two division titles over well-run teams, legendary teams, like the Giants and the Eagles. And he's the only damn guy not getting paid. I'm not saying this justifies what he did, but psychologists will tell you that wearing different, serious clothes changes your attitude. Dax's got a contract. He doesn't throw that party. He feels more authoritative. He feels more loved. He feels like he is now the face of the franchise. He's saying right now, my running back got a deal. My linebacker, my defensive end,

I don't have a contract. I'm not even part of you. He's pushing back. It's very human. We'd all do the same thing. When guys get mad or feel disrespected, you get a different man. So I could just bang on DAC today,

but I get it. And I'm not, again, I am not. This is why you give a restaurant manager who's really good a piece of it, because you get a different employee. That doesn't have a contract. The whole damn team got paid her. He doesn't have a contract.

He's pushing back. I get it. Don't love it, but I get it. And I've done it more than once in my life. And I'm older than him. I should know better, and I still don't, because I'm a guy. Joy with the News.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. I finally got around to watching the Irishmen this weekend. Oh, and it's long. It's very long, but to your point about shorts, Hoffa was not happy when pro showed up in shorts and was late to the meeting. Boom.

Even if you're going to whack a guy, you've got to look professional. Never waited more than 10 minutes for a guy in my life. That's right. So Kyler Murray played with top wide receiver prospect CD Lamb at Oklahoma, not your favorite receiving prospect in this year's draft. I think he's good. He's going to get overdrafted, but he can play. Well, he's hoping they'll have a chance to play together again.

According to Albert Breer, Kyler and the Cardinals have a glowing, review, or he gave the Cardinals a glowing review of Lamb and is pushing for the team to draft him. That probably won't happen considering that the Cardinals picked three receivers in last year's draft. And in addition to Christian Kirk, Larry Fitzgerald, they also added DeAndre Hopkins this year, obviously a very well-scrutinized trade, at least on Houston's part. So asking for another first round wide receiver is probably a big ask from Murray of the Cardinal. So they have the eighth pick in the draft. You have them taking offensive. tackle Tristan Wirfs in Iowa.

Yes, yes, yes. I think that is a great fit for them. I, this is, listen, you get a young quarterback, Joy. Andrew Luck's an example. The first thing you do in this league, if you don't have a quarterback, you get one. The second thing you do is protect them.

The Jets, by the way, are going all in on the offensive line. If the Colts would have done that six years ago, Andrew Luck is probably favored to win his division for the next 10 years. Exactly. You do have to protect him. And Joel Clad and Bucky Brooks also, they both have the Cardinals taking an offensive a tackle, which is the right move for the Cardinals at this point. They're loaded at receiver.

So Georgia quarterback Jake Fromm, we haven't talked too much about him, but according to Ian Rappaport, he is buzzing because of his interviews. He's become a favorite of quarterback coaches around the league. He is projected to be a second or third round pick, but he is one of those guys that may actually have benefited from not having a pro day because he's still kind of a mystery. I mean, I don't think that a great digital interview is going to bump him up. from the second round to the first round, but that all depends.

He's an NFL quarterback. I just don't know if he's, I build the franchise around it, NFL quarterback. His size is okay. His arm is okay. He is an NFL quarterback. And his adaptability is why he beat out Jacob Eason. A couple of years ago at Georgia,

Jacob Eason transferred to Washington. Very adaptable, very coachable, picks up stuff fast. There's not a lot of bigness. There's not a lot of pop to him. I think Georgia last, last year struggled to throw the ball over the top down the field. But he is an NFL quarterback somewhere.

Is he a starter? Is he a franchise guy? I don't know. Well, he's going to have a few years of development based off of just where he's going to end up being drafted in the second or third round. Usually that's the case. Unless, of course, you're talking about someone like Doc Prescott who gets thrown in right away and ends up, you know, being, well, I guess it's still debatable if he's a franchise

quarterback. But for the last few years, he's been their franchise quarterback. So when Jim Kelly was playing for the Bills, AFC was, you know, he was. The AFC was filled with top tier quarterback talent. And he thinks that the young stars of the conference today are ready to play on that level. When you have a guy like Patrick Mahomes and Watson and, you know, Jackson, you keep going on Darnell.

There are guys that almost bring me back to the memory of me, Elway, Marino, guy boomer, size, and Bernie Coes are all the guys that came and were in the AFC when I play. It's almost started a bit like that. But that's what makes football exciting. Being able to match up the top. quarterback.

When you go to play, you look across the sideline. I saw Elway. I saw Marino. I saw Boomer. I saw Montana in the last couple of years in Kansas City. So this is a great opportunity for the Buffalo Bills that come in and make the name for themselves, but it's not going to be easy. He's not wrong.

The NFL is very lucky. Over the last few years, the quarterback talent has been just exploded. It is young. By the way, exciting. AFC is getting three more. going to get Tua, Burrow, and Justin Herbert probably all go to the AFC, so they're going to get more. Yeah. I mean, the NFL is just an, it's in a great situation for the quarterback play. We had a few years there. It was a little up and down. The top guys were just like so separated from the next level.

But it's going to be an exciting season. Good stuff, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News. Nick Wright, brought to you by Mercedes. The Best, or Nothing is joining us. Okay. So, the story is today, OBJ Minnesota. One of the things, I know you're close with OBJ, and though I've been critical of him, I do believe he, when he was surrounded by professionals at LSU and the New York Giants early in his career, he was a great pro. I don't think his personality is great with chaos.

When the Giants got chaotic, he struggled. Cleveland defines chaos. I think Minnesota is sound, well structured. I think it is great for him. your takeaway on the news that's coming out that's not a done deal, but it's getting talked about. Yeah, it would be a very savvy move for the Vikings in this regard. If you can get a first round pick for Stefan Diggs and then obtain Odell Beckham Jr. For a second round pick, you won both of those trades.

So from a pure value proposition, it makes sense. I don't know if I look at the Vikings and say their biggest needs. his wide receiver even after losing Stefan Diggs. I would have thought they maybe would have tried to upgrade their line a little bit or maybe deal with some of the departures from the defense. But you know where I stand on O'Dell. I think he's the most physically talented receiver in football. I think he's incredibly unfairly discussed in the media.

I mean, I understand why folks want to come after him because he has, you know, a PED suspension and he got arrested this summer. I'm sorry, that was Julian Edelman, not O'Dell, X, too. And so I get them confused because they actually both were photographed, sleep in a bed with a strange woman. But again, we only talked about one. And so I think it would be great for the Vikings. I'd be bummed out if I'm Baker,

but maybe the Browns feel like they have enough weapons and they would need more other assets on that team. Oh, I think it's great for OBJ. And a lot of people think I don't like OBJ. I think he can be, you know, all these pro athletes are 24, 25, 26 years old. So at 25, 26 years old, I'm not the same guy today. So I think OBJ in the right fit is wonderful. And I tend to root for players that make my show more interesting.

I want Baker in the league. I want OBJ in the league. I just don't think they work together. Now, I just defended. People will see it as defending Dak Prescott. You probably didn't hear it. But I said there's a reason that, When you own a restaurant, you give your top manager a piece of the business because you get a different employee.

So I think DAC is doing what people do when they don't get their way. Two division titles, 40 and 24, only guy on that team without a contract. And I think young, he's saying to himself, you're paying people years early. I don't have one. I'm not going to OTAs. And I think if he had $200 million in his pocket, he would see himself as a different employee. And I'm defending, I'm not defending him, but I'm not defending him. trying to explain. He's pushing back. He feels he is delivered. Nick, if you were giving ratings

for four years to a radio station and they wouldn't give you a contract but gave lesser important people on the radio station contracts, would you feel the same driving to work? You would not. And I, so what your my, your takeaway on my theory on this. Well, I think a, I think a lot of it's right. And I don't think that, listen, first of all, players who are under contract don't have to go to OTAs. The players negotiated for these to be optional or voluntary, and then they get publicly pressured by the media and the teams to go. But that guys who are under contract, Jack Prescott isn't even currently an employee of the Dallas Cowboys. They've offered him a contract. He has not signed the franchise said. So it's his prerogative to do whatever he wants to do.

but if I were advising him, I would say, listen, man, they've offered you a piece of the restaurant. Maybe not the piece you quite want. Maybe not the piece that, you know, the kid in Kansas City is going to get at his restaurant. But it's a pretty damn big piece, man. I've got to consider taking it. Now, I'm more bird in the hand type of guy. Everywhere I've been where it's been offered, I sign contract extensions early. I'm like, nope, let me, I like what I'm doing.

I want to say. I understand folks that say I want to roll the dice and see how it goes, but I feel like Jack Prescott rolled the dice. He didn't crap out and he didn't, you know, roll seven and he's still trying to negotiate as if he did. And so I

feel like they're playing a dangerous game here on both sides and Colin. I think at this point, the Cowboys have to start at least internally discussing. Would Miami give us the fifth pick for him? Like, is that available because if you haven't gotten a deal done in the last 14 months, why are you going

to get it done in the next 90 days? Because July 15th is the deadline to sign into an extension or else you're not allowed to. So I don't begrudge, Dak. I think he's overvaluing himself slightly, but I don't know what changes here. One last quick point on this index defense, he has looked around, and I think this is your point, the Cowboys have made their tackle, their guard, their center, they're running back, and their wide receiver, all got the biggest contract in the history of their position at signing. And so, Dak, I would assume, is like, that's just what we do around here, right? Like, everyone gets the biggest deal, so he feels it's his term. This story came out. Now, I know I'm seeing, again, you're friends with OBJ, your friends

with Aaron Rogers. I am not. Of course, I, everyone hates me. But so this story comes out, I'm going to defend Aaron Rogers. Everybody's got a chip on their shoulder, right? He has are right to have a chip. He had to go to junior college. He dropped in the draft. He then went and sat for three years. Green Bay's never gotten him really consistently great defenses like Russell Wilson and Tom Brady. So there's a story out the Packers may draft the quarterback with their first pick. And I think to myself, this is stupid. Aaron has earned the chip on his shoulder. Let's be honest. They overlooked him in college. They overlooked them in the draft. And he has not had the defenses of Russell or Tom.

This is not a guy you need to poke in the ribs. He's still great for another three years minimum. Get him help. Do him a solid. Don't try to win the moment. This will not land well for Aaron, nor, by the way, did Brady like Jimmy Garoppolo hovering over him. I think it's a mistake if they draft a quarterback, even though, you know, they may love

one of these guys, but I'm going to defend Aaron on this. It would be stupid and the team needs help, not a backup. Your thoughts? You're a thousand percent right. And I think it's just to be, because I want to be fair, it is fair to clarify me as a friend with Odell. I can't call Aaron a friend. I'd say I'm friendly and I've talked to them a couple times.

He certainly likes me more than he likes you, but that's the case with most of the being. But no, that's absolutely right. Listen, here are the numbers that should matter to the Green Bay. Packers. I'm going to give them a few of them. 74. That's the number of points you allowed to the Niners, the two times you played them. 13.

That's the number of times Aaron Rogers was stacked or fumbled the football in the two times you played the Niners. 14 and 2. That was your record against everyone in football last year other than the Niners. Oh and 2, your record against the Niners. I say all that to say this. Every single move you make this off season should be about

how can we beat San Francisco. How can we make sure if we play them in the playoffs again, game is in our building instead of theirs. How do we maximize the last part of the window of Aaron Rogers' championship ability? Because they absolutely lucked out going from far to Rogers via the 24th pick in the draft. You are not going to do that again. And so the idea that you would draft a player with a premium pick who you hope plays zero snaps this year is insanity.

The whole point of sport is to win a championship. It's not to never be awesome. Like too many teams, it's like, well, we want to make sure we're never terrible. It is better to have one ring and then a few seasons in the wilderness than a bunch of nine and ten wins seasons with first and seven round playoff exits. Like, what do you think Jason Garrett and the Cowboys, the Jared Jones would have rathered? If in his tenure, instead of having all those 8 and 8, 9 and 7 years, they could have won one Super Bowl and then bottomed out for what they got.

Like the Packers, it would be, if I were Aaron, I would be livid if they drafted a quarterback with a first, second, or third round pick. I want someone to help me beat the San Francisco 49. Very well stated. Two minutes left. Joe Burrow got compared to LeBron James and my head exploded yesterday? What did you make of that? Listen, the number one pick in the NFL is not the number one pick in the NBA.

Over the last 20 years, that median, the average number one overall pick in the NBA is Blake Griffin. That's a first ballot Hall of Famer guy that has been a top five MVP candidate in his career. That median number one overall pick for the NFL draft is Alex Smith, a guy who played his best football and his second team. You have a half dozen to a full dozen, depending on how careers play out. Hall of Famers that went number one overall in the NBA over the last 20 years. In the last 25 years, if you draft a quarterback number one overall and his name's not Peyton or not Peyton or Eli Manning, he's not a Manning, you're not winning a Super Bowl with him. The idea that we're going to put these types of expectations on Burrow, A, it's unfair.

I don't even need to get into the fact that you're comparing him to the greatest American athlete ever. It's just, it's unfair for the sports. And so it's just not how it works in the NFL. And I'm pretty sure we're going to have to go back and fact check this. I'm pretty sure LeBron was the best player in his draft class. I'm not even sure Burroughs the best player in his position in his draft class. I like the kid a lot, but come on. And by the way, one last thing, Colin, the day the Cavs won the draft lottery, an 18-year-old LeBron James said to the local television station. I'm so excited to stay in Ohio. I can't wait to start winning and start a new winning tradition. Joe Burroughs been asked a million different times about what his plans are

for his first year in the NFL. He said a million different words, and I'm not mad at him for this. But one words he's never said is Cincinnati or Bengals because he desperately wants someone to trade up so he doesn't end up going there. So it's a very different situation. This is very good performance by you today. His name is Nick Wright. First Things First. Good talking to you, buddy. You as well, Colin. I owe you a phone call. I'll talk to you soon. Good to talk to you as well, I'll see you guys. All right, good stuff. Wild show today, OBJ trade rumors. Who knows if it happens, they're fun. That's what we're here for. Coming up next, I'm not going to make predictions on sports returning, but somebody just did and you should listen to him. That's coming up next. The Hurt.

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what did she say in terms of the OBJ trade rumors between Minnesota for a second and a fifth round pick? She said she received a one word answer and that word was false. Okay. So that's for a second and a fourth through a fifth round pick. That doesn't mean. I'll say it again.

Odell Beckham Jr. was not going to get traded for New York, right? We heard that over and over. He got traded. This is not a good fit. Everybody wins. Anytime everybody wins, stuff gets done. May not get done today or tomorrow,

but I don't buy, you know, putting the fire hose on it and saying it's not going to happen. I refuse to believe the New York giant argument, and I don't believe this one. He's not ending his career in Cleveland. That I know. So I'm not going to make predictions on what happens for sports in September. I think you sound ridiculous as a sportscaster, even a scientist or a doctor saying,

here's what we're going to know, September 10th. Doctors in our government have flipped their opinion on masks in two days. Nobody knows. There are going to be studies written about this COVID virus. Things you think are true are not true. I read a story yesterday that said, in your house, keep your doors open, turn off your air conditioning, let natural light in, air through your house, natural light is good for killing the coronavirus.

And I live in California by a beat, so I've always got my doors open, and I've always got my curtains open. My wife likes the curtains open. So we have a lot of natural light in our house. We have wind blowing through it, and I'm like, oh, we're kind of lucky on that. We didn't have any idea. That was a study yesterday. They're doing studies on this thing every two weeks, every week, every day.

So I'm not going to make any predictions. Dr. Anthony Fauci, that's the smart guy who talks, 79-year-old guy, looks about 59, who talks next to Trump every day, and really is the guy that, you know, knows what he's talking about. He says, listen, sports can happen. Just can't be fans at it. But this centralized site, it can happen. So let me tell you this. First of all, 98% of sports fans do not go to games. They watch it on TV.

TV is more important than stadiums for games. Number two, owners make more money on TV revenue than fans. So they're not going to lose sleep on this stuff. Number three is, it's temporary. This is temporary. It's not going to happen forever. Never forget that networks can be really clever. World Cup games, Fox, we don't always send announcers to the games.

They're in a small studio in L.A., broadcasting a game from another country. NBA, China. When the NBA sends teams to China for preseason games, the announcers are in Atlanta in a small studio. Okay, so you don't, we, we, there's been. manipulation all the time by networks. They're very clever. I watched a Taiwanese baseball game yesterday. I watched highlights of it.

They had implemented fans in certain portions of the stadium, cardboard, cutout fans, and I'm like, it's very clever. I'm not so sure the Fox Network, because we're by, you know, Hollywood, right next door, could not figure out or have a deal with a company that creates a digital illusion so it looks like fans. And we could always pump in crowd noise. That's easy.

This is the kind of stuff networks do all the time. But secondarily, it's not a big ask to ask the NFL, hey, no fans. Have your team just stay in a hotel? There's only eight road games a year in the NFL. The players can stay in their houses. There's only eight road games a year. You already show up on Saturday morning.

You'll still show up on Saturday morning. Nothing will change with the schedule. NBA teams may have to ask their players to stay for two and a half months in one hotel in one city. That's a big ask. Hockey, baseball. Can you guys stay in like three cities in Florida and Texas for four or five months away from your families? That's a big ask. The NFL would not change a thing.

There'd just be no fans. You guys still go about it. Every day at practice, take temperatures. They're not asking you to stay in a unique hotel situation. be away from your families in a unique family separation situation. NFL's the great thing about the NFL. There's not that many games. There's only eight road games.

And again, I don't think Kirk Cousins came out yesterday for the Vikings. And he said, honestly, play the sound of Kirk Cousins yesterday talking about playing with no fans. Honestly, we practice every day in an empty grass area. We pump in fake crowd noise for away games. But more often than not, you're used to, you know, OTA practices. don't have a lot of pomp and circumstance to him. So honestly, to go out and just play the game would kind of be refreshing and breath of fresh air to just know that, you know,

we don't have to have all the smoke and the fire. We can just go play football. Our top infectious disease expert in America, Dr. Anthony Fauci says, it would work. He goes, he said, listen, all you have to do is have a single site, like a Vegas for the NBA, fan-free, it works. Well, the NFL wouldn't even have to do that. The NFL would not even have to do that.

They would have no different situation for teams, travel, or fans at all. The only thing would be different, fans can't go to games. And I still contend this. There's a lot of positives that are kind of come out of this. Like no more handshaking. I'm all for that. Always thought it was weird to shake hands with strangers. But I think we're going to live in a masked society for the next year or so.

I'm all right. I'm going to go jogging today. I have a mask around. When I see somebody coming, I pull it up. When I go past him, I pull it down. It's okay. I think stadiums from this point forward for the next calendar year, we wear masks. Okay.

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on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. We go on a Tuesday live in Los Angeles. This is sunny Los Angeles, the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me, Greg Jennings in five minutes on the Green Bay Rumors. they're going to draft a quarterback and sit behind Aaron Rogers. I don't like it.

And at Minnesota, OBJ, Cleveland talking. Everybody now denying it. We'll see. We'll see. Joy Taylor, how are you, Joy? I'm doing good. Cleveland is just the gift that keeps on giving, huh? They are.

They're interesting. Not all great teams are interesting, and not all bad teams are uninteresting. Now, Cincinnati is bad and uninteresting, but that'll change with Joe Burrow. They'll get interesting and still be bad. Let me, I saw a story today. I snickered at it. That's a word I don't use much. NFL.com.

2020 NFL draft CD Lamb, receiver Oklahoma among seven can't miss prospects. Oh, really? Really, can't miss. Okay. Chase Young, CD Lamb, Joe Burrow, Isaiah Simmons, who didn't have a position, Tua, Justin Herbert, and Jerry Judy. You do get they could all bust because there's this thing in the NFL, called injuries and really bad organizations. Do you see Odell Beckham's numbers last year?

You do get he's better than that. You do get Brady is better because he was in New England. You do get Carson Palmer in New England's numbers would have been way better than Carson Palmer in Cincinnati. Okay. Everybody can bust. I love Chase Young. He had zero sacks in his last three college games.

Zero. Zero sacks. Eight tackles total. Jerry Judy goes to Jacksonville. He can't bust. Joe Burrell, Cincinnati, gets the living, you know what, beat out of him for three years. By the way, he had one great college year, average arm, small hands. Can't bust.

All right. Now, I do think C.D. Lamb is a player that is overvalued. But I would also admit, if he goes to Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes or Seattle with Russell Wilson or Philadelphia with Carson Wentz, he's going to have a really good career. Because where does he land? If he lands with a good quarterback and a smart coach, C.D. Lamb's going to be a nice player. I don't call guys busts. I have twice.

Tim Tebow and Johnny Mansell. All you guys did was give me crap. But here, I'll give you a reason and go ahead and push back on your local radio show in Oklahoma. Carole do anything. Many first round wide receivers more than any position bust because they are beholden to good coaches and good quarterbacks. The last five drafts. there's been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, sixteen, seventeen, seven. Amari Cooper has been worth it.

Mike Williams, when he's healthy, appears worth it. The rest of them are bust, underachieved, or not as good as a first round player should be. I don't know about Marquise Brown. I think he could be special. It is the bust position in the first round. round. It is the position. Number one. Secondly, I think he is a thin, framed player who was not challenged because this year in the Big 12 of the 25 best cornerback prospects, three are from the Big 12. And C.D. Lamb faced the very best one, TCU's Jeff Gladney. And he shut

his arse down. Two catches. 16 yards. The one corner he faced in that conference, who is really good, TCU guy, shut C.D. Lamb down. Thin, long, CD Lamb. By the way, he has a great college coach who schemed him wide open on most plays. NFL ain't the Big 12, brother. It ain't a pillow fight. SEC looks a lot like the NFL. Big 12 looks like the CFL on a bad day.

So C.D. Lamb got his act shut down against the best corner he faced. And it wasn't a blowout game. They needed C.D. Lamb. They needed him. The guy shut him down. Me just saying that, not calling him a bust, saying, I think he's overvalued. Me giving you proof that wide receiver is the bus position first round. I'll get nothing but crap.

Nothing but crap. All right. Is Greg there? Greg Jennings joining us. So let me just start with that about wide receiver position first round. do believe it's the bust position as I listed all the guys that have busted last five drafts. I think a lot of it is you got a bad offensive coordinator that can't scheme you open like Kyle Shanahan can.

If you have a quarterback that can't get you the ball, if you have a bad offensive line and the quarterback doesn't have time to throw, a receiver position with very few exceptions is largely beholden to everything working on the offensive line play calling quarterback. That's my takeaway on why you see so many busts. Go back to your career, Greg. It worked for you. Was some of it because you had support on the offensive line and a quarterback? Absolutely.

Absolutely. The wide receiver position, you're dependent on so many others and variables aligning for you to have success. It's tough to just go to a situation. Let's just call it the first round. and specifically early in the first round where typically teams are looking for things that they don't have and they're trying to put together so many pieces, whether they don't have a quarterback

or they don't have an offensive line or they don't have a running game and there's so many open gaping holes within offenses and defenses and just teams in general that one player is not going to make a difference and it definitely is not going to make a difference if you acquire a Y receiver and you don't have the support to get that receiver involved with I.E. play calling or a good thrower of the football.

So it's tough. And in my position, I walked into an almost ready-made situation where the quarterback was established. It was breast far. And then you had an offensive line that had some problems. But then I walked into a receiver room where I wasn't the number one guy. I had Donald Driver to my left and Robert Ferguson and other guys, and I ended up getting a starting position, but I also had a young coach play caller, Mike McCarthy.

We came in together. We were able to do it his way together, and it worked. We thrived, and we created something special, and the Super Bowl came out of it. I think it's a bad idea for Green Bay. Reports out there, they would look at a quarterback first round, and my takeaway is listen. Aaron dropped in the draft. Aaron went to a junior college. Aaron has never had the great defenses of Russell Wilson or Tom Brady.

Aaron had to sit for three hours out of college. He's got a chip on his shoulder. But you know what he's earned it? I don't believe he's the kind of personality that is best served poking in the ribs. I think he wants support. I think he deserves support. I think it's a mistake with Aaron to go get a quarterback. I think it sends the wrong message.

And he is somebody that can be a tad sensitive. I'm not trying to be critical. I don't like Green Bay doing this. I'll totally support Aaron on this. What say you? Okay. In the first round, no. I think you can spend your first round draft pick wiser than on a backup quarterback who's not going to get any snaps at other positions to assist,

Aaron, whether it be a guy on defense that can get the ball back to him or a tight-in or a wide receiver or an offensive lineman that's going to protect him, in a position that will benefit him. After the first round, though, I don't have a problem with them starting to plan for a future because we have this idea that that quarterbacks are just going to last forever. And we've seen what Green Bay looks like without Aaron Rogers. We all know how special he is.

But the reality of it is, if you don't start planning feed now, the harvest that you hope to have, it may never come. So it's like, why not even consider it? Not first round, no, no, because you do have a quarterback who is established, who has some time left. And whatever that looks like, it's going to be better than probably 90% of the

quarterbacks in our league today. So even when he's falling off, whatever that ends up looking like. So I think they do have wiggle room, but no one wants to be in that situation. where they don't know who's going to be handed off at the time when a great Hall of Fame quarterback like Aaron Rogers decides to walk away from the game. I'm going to throw this at you. I didn't defend Dak an hour ago. I didn't defend him, but I tried to explain how he's thinking.

So when do people act out when they don't get their way? Everybody on the Cowboys has been given a contract many players early. He's 40 and 24, two division titles, and plays the most important. He's not currently under contract. I don't think it was a smart move to have a party at his house. But he's also reportedly said to the team, I'm not going to OTAs if we have them without a contract. And the reason you give a manager of a restaurant,

a piece of the restaurant, because you get a different employee. And that I think DAC subconsciously or consciously is saying, you've paid everybody on this roster. It doesn't feel the same for me. I'm not all in. I'm going to push back on authority. and I'm not defending him.

I'm trying to explain why he would do what he did with a party. He says there were 10 people, TMZ says 30 at his house. That if you, we all feel differently based on how we're treated. And Dak feels like he's being job by this organization. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But I do think, I think he's tired of it and pushing back on authority. Do you see at least an idea of maybe why, if he had $200 million in his pocket,

he wouldn't throw that party. He'd say, Zeek, stay home, we've got to be good. But right now he doesn't have a contract. He's seemingly the only cowboy without a contract, and he's pushing back. Am I nuts? No, he's a loner. He basically is a loner.

He's basically out on an island by himself right now, and it's uncomfortable. And so when you're on an island, you've realized, you know what, nobody's trying to come and get me, if you have the ability to bring people to the island, you're going to do it. And that's what we've seen that Prescott do. I'm not faulting him.

I'm not saying what's right or wrong. His feelings are coming from that place of, number one, feeling disrespected, feeling slighted, he's hurt. He's feel betrayed. Like, there are so many different words that can be inserted in how he's feeling and what he's feeling. And a lot of us have felt it in some way, in some form and fashion within our lives. And so the way you, as you're calling it, act out in the National Football League is to say, you know what, I'm not participating. I'm not going to render my services if you're not going to give me what I feel like I've earned and I'm deserving of.

He has played by the rules from day one. The one cowboy that has played by the rules from day one, Dak Prescott, done everything you back. When it was come out to the 50, to the logo and lock hands with Jerry, and we're going to stand as a team, Dak was right there. When it was, you know what, we're going to do it a certain way. He was the calling card.

He was the voice. He was the one that Jerry made sure, Dak, you with me? Absolutely. when Ezekiel Elliott was out and he wasn't he was sitting out asked Jack Prescott a any kind of question he always praised his teammate he understood the business why because he knew in the back of his head in the back of his mind that could potentially be me so I'm not going to knock him because I don't know what I

would do if I was in that situation now we're finding out what he would do because he's in that situation hey I said it earlier I've acted out when I don't feel I'm being respected so I'm I'm an old guy he's a kid So, kid, okay, now, there was a report at a WFAN radio in New York. OBJ, Minnesota discussing a trade, not done being discussed. I just had a source three minutes ago, who I trust, say he doesn't think he's getting traded to the Vikings. He goes, it could be a switcheroo. He doesn't believe it's the Vikings.

Do you think it's time to move off OBJ in Cleveland? I do not. I do not think it's time. I know we're so quick to throw someone away or get rid of someone or write someone off, but we have to understand, like, what happens in the national football in sport, in life, anytime you've achieved or reach a certain level of success, that's the ball. And so if you don't exceed that and go further beyond that and you fall short of what you once were, no one cares the reasons why.

No one cares. Oh, he wasn't healthy. No one cares. He didn't have a really good quarterback play. No one cares. Oh, his offensive coordinator head coach was not a great play caller, didn't put him in great positions. No one cares about any of the other variables.

But OBJ is sitting there like, look, man, I can only do what I can do. And so when you now bring in a new head coach, to fancy. We saw what he was able to do here in Minneapolis with the Vikings, with two really good receivers, with the quarterback that was questioned with offensive line play that had to be elevated. We saw what he was able to do with those pieces that he was given and to not give that a chance to just walk away from that when they can potentially strike gold. And it's, it's premature. And it's one of those situations where if I'm Cleveland and I'm Staphans

I'm like, no, we're not, no, we will make it work. Give it a try because you would have a third year, Baker-Mayfield, second year with Odell Beckham. Obviously, no off-season up to now, but you would still have something to build off of them. You would have some good, you would have some bad, and you would be able to go back to the drawing board and say, look, guys, this is what we're going to do to make this work. And it's how it's going to work because of relationships that are now created,

and established and have kind of been through the fire a little bit. I don't think you move on from them just yet. You know, Baker Mayfield had his birthday yesterday. I wished him a happy birthday, did you? Happy birthday, Baker. Greg Jennings! Good talking to you, bud. Likewise, best.

Say face-face-all. All right, Greg Jennings. Good stuff today. I tell you what, boy, we got good people at Fox. I got, I mean, this is my show. I'm not even on the good stuff yet. I'm not even on the good stuff. I am working this OBJ thing like nobody's business, man.

So a source I trust that he doesn't think it's the Vikings could be a switcher route. Another source says, listen, OBJ is not a perfect fit there. This is my source that broke the Brady story. He said OBJ is not a perfect fit there. It wouldn't be terrible for him to move. He wouldn't lose sleep. Of course, OBJ is not going to come out and publicly say that. Because I think OBJ has actually been a pretty good soldier there.

I just don't think he fits. Coming up next, there is a suggestion, a suggestion that college football is going to move to next spring. I don't make predictions on when sports start. I'm not a scientist. I'm not an epidemiologist. I don't know. But I'm going to tell you something good that's going to happen potentially with college football. Plus, why this offseason has been bad.

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I said four months is closer. The other thing I said is social distancing works. Don't be a meathead. I still contend the only thing we truly absolutely know, including epidemiologists, social distancing works. So just avoid people. Wear a mask.

there's a lot of predictions by sportscasters who shouldn't be making them that things aren't going to go happen in September. We don't have any idea. Chris Fowler actually has a source on this and said college football could be moved. Two things could happen. It could be moved back or all the way back to the spring, delayed maybe to October or push back to the spring.

Here's Chris Fowler, works at the other place. There's a third scenario that's gaining momentum and that on the surface might sound preposterous, but I think a lot of reasonable people feel like it might be the most prudent course of action. And that's football in the spring, beginning at some point in February into March, April, May, maybe you have the postseason in June. That would have to be reshuffled a bit. It would be bizarre.

It would wreak havoc on some other sports in that time of year. But to avoid the financial disaster of having no football season in the academic year, I think it might be a fallback position. I think that's good for college football. If you told me today college football gets rid of September, I'd be like, all right. September and college football is the weakness of the sport.

October, November, December, January, I love it. September's a bad joke. Last September, 300 games, most irrelevant, most lobsided. There were three ones that I tuned to and loved. Auburn, Oregon, Georgia, Notre Dame, LSU, Texas. Rest was mostly junk. Schedule fillers to get extra home games. games. And people say that if you did college football and said, you got to play everybody in your

conference, everybody plays nine to ten games. And you start late September, early October. I'm for it. I think the sport's totally inefficient. I think the NCAA, I don't bag on them, but I think they're totally inefficient. I'll give you a little secret about the NCAA. Whenever I push back on, why do you play all these crappy games that are useless? Here's what I hear from athletic directors. Well, because we need seven home games to pay for all the other sports. So you're telling me your economic system in college sports is so fragile. It's like Jenga. If you pull out one block a game against Panera bread, the whole thing tumbles,

then you've got a crappy economic system. Fix it. if the entire system of college football, the economic infrastructure is based on getting another home football game that's a rip off for your fans, then your system sucks. Get a new one. Here's a little cheat sheet for you. The minimum number of volleyball games required by the NCAA is 19, but yet everybody in the Mountain West plays minimum 30. Why? Nobody goes to the games.

college baseball softball minimum number 27 teams play almost double that why nobody goes to the games i've gone to pack 12 baseball games in the last two years because i have a friend's son who plays there's nobody there's parents fencing programs water polo they travel all over the place why nobody goes to the games maybe you don't need 42 athletic programs maybe you can have them but you don't have a travel schedule, putting teams on planes. The whole system depends on USC playing one more home game against Fresno. That's the system. Alabama getting two home games against Western Carolina.

That's the system? How about a new system? Stop having 38 programs. Nobody goes to 34 of them. Have men's and women's basketball, men's and women baseball, softball, have football. You know, you figure out in your region what matters. College baseball is big in the South.

All right, we have college baseball. College hockey is big in the Northeast. Let's have college hockey and a women's program. Whatever, title nine. But the idea that, oh, my God, I'm hearing all these athletic directors, oh, we'd have to shorten the season. We wouldn't get an extra home game. Get a new economic system.

If that's it, it's like all these airlines. You know, these airlines have a bad two weeks. We're broke. if your margins are that thin, cut your flights. I mean, seriously. Some of these businesses, bellyache and NCAA, and I don't pick on you. If you need an extra home game to make it all work, that's on you. You've got a bad system.

You've got these 40 volleyball games, you know, 50 baseball games. You really need to travel that much? You know how expensive it is to just, you know how expensive it is to fly a family? my family to Hawaii. Can you imagine flying teams places? You ever look at the bill to fly your family on vacation? It's like, yeah. Imagine traveling 48 baseball players and coaches.

All right, Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. Well, there's a report out that Zach Prescott will not participate in the Cowboys virtual off-season. season program without a long-term deal. And Stephen Jones says he has not heard anything yet from DAC about it.

I'm not necessarily aware of that. He certainly was sending out that. And I know he certainly can participate every player for every player. It's voluntary in terms of their participation in the virtual meetings. But I'm not aware and hadn't been made aware of to what degree DAC's participation level would be. Mike Florio first reported that Dak may sit out the offseason program. This, I got to be honest with you, I was a little afraid that this kind of stuff would start happening. I don't know why they are not committing to Dak Prescott.

I understand they offered him a contract and it's not what Dak wants. I've always been on Dak's side on this. I think he deserves it. I really don't know what plan B is for the Cowboys without Dak. I don't know what more you could ask from a fourth round rookie to come in and run America's team with the poise and, I don't know, a few wins in there in division titles as well. I really don't know what the Cowboys measure of successes. It's almost, to me, lacking a little bit of self-awareness. Yeah, I mean, they clearly still have questions about that.

But, you know, listen, I think DAC and Kirk Cousins are very unique. I think they're very equal comps. And Kirk Cousins just got another contract. So, again, listen, sometimes when you sign a contract as a company, you don't have to love an employee. But do they have value beyond just their productivity? I think having DAC on the roster signed already. But I also, in fairness, if you don't think he's the guy,

then, and maybe Dax's like, I want four years minimum. And then Dallas is like, we're not comfortable. Then, listen, is it possible this is not an easy situation for Dallas? This is a tough call for them. Sure. I just don't understand what position is more important that you figure out than the quarterback position. And when I say self-awareness, obviously we love when the Cowboys are good. The Cowboys are good.

It's better for everybody. I just, the Cowboys are not in Super Bowl contention. Until Dak gets into that conversation, Tony Romo's injured. He's at nearing the end of his career. It's a perfect transition for the Cowboys into Dak Prescott. I just don't know what the plan B is. We talk about it all the time. You have to have the guy.

If you don't think that's the guy, then you need to make a dramatic move, right? I mean, this is going to continue on into next year and the year after that. You're always going to be good enough not to get a high pick. So what is the aggressive move there? I don't understand it. So the Raiders brought in Marcus Mariotta to back up Derek Carr next season, and GM, Mike Mayok, couldn't be. happier with their quarterback situation.

We're excited about the quarterback room. And, you know, I thought Marcus did a great job with the first couple interviews he had, just talking about where he was, which is he wants to support Derek. He wants to become the best version of Marcus Marioada that he can become. And that's the way we look at it. Let's see who the best Marcus Mario dair is. And in the meantime, we love what we have with Derr's car. So we're real happy with our quarterback room.

Another quarterback situation I'm not fully in love with. I don't get what the Raiders are doing with Marcus Marriota and Derek Carr. It always seems like Derek Carr wasn't really the guy. I think you and I like Derek Carr a little bit more than most. But I'm just, I'm a firm believer that you have to have a guy and it's got to be his team. And then if it does happen to go badly, okay, you have Marcus Marriota, which to me doesn't really mean anything. Marcus Marriota doesn't have his job in Tennessee for a reason. So at this point, we know what Marcus Marriota is as well.

So you really don't have a great situation there either unless you fully believe in Derek Carr. And he just can't quite get the vote of confidence. Like even Mayok saying, you know, we'll see what the best version of Marcus Marriota is. It's kind of like it's not fully inferring that there's a quarterback battle, but it's not eliminating it. The Raiders are very young, so therefore they're very inexpensive. And so they bring Marioita in at $8 million, which is a lot of money for a backup. And I think what the Raiders are saying is, we're not paying a lot of people right now since

Kalil Mack left so we can actually pay a backup some money. And you got to have a decent backup in this league. You know, you really do. You have to have a backup. So I get what the Raiders are doing. I look at backups differently. Is Mario a franchise quarterback? No.

But is he a good backup? Oh, hell yes. He's a great backup. Like, James Winston is the league's best backup. Not sure I'd build around him. But I'd put James Winston on my team. team today for the right number. Absolutely. Right, but I don't think you should ever be having conversations about your backup.

That's my point. Like your backup is your backup. He really should be just a guy like that's there. And it just happens to be Marcus Marriota. So he has a name because he was a franchise guy. That's my issue with it. So the backers and chargers continue to do their due diligence on quarterback prospects in the draft. And both teams reportedly had virtual meetings with Oklahoma's Jalen Hertz.

So the charges of the sixth pick and the Packers obviously had the 30th pick. Joel, Klapp, Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah don't have him in first round mock drafts. Mel Kiper doesn't think he'll make it past the second round. I would agree with that. I think Jaylen Hertz is a second round quarterback at this point. But, you know, the Packers do have the 30th pick. And if they are, you know, they're falling for him in these virtual meetings, he could be somebody that could sneak up into the end of the first round. Yeah, I mean, again, is he a franchise quarterback? I have my doubts. Chargers, what if the Chargers say, we don't trust Tua and we don't love Herbert, and they go get a great player at their position or trade down, and they get Jalen Hertz in the second or third round, and they say he plays a little bit like Tyrod Taylor, a little bit. I don't think they have that many similarities. Size, they're about the same. He's going to get drafted by somebody. And again, most of these college quarterbacks,

are fitting way better than they did five years ago. I think Jalen Hertz, if I was Baltimore, and I could pick him up in the third round, Baltimore doesn't have many weaknesses, and Lamar twists an ankle, Jalen Hertz can do a pretty good imitation of Lamar Jackson. For these teams with athletic quarterbacks who can get dinged, Jalen Hertz has a lot of value in 2020 to me.

And I think he has a lot of potential. He's obviously still very raw. But again, depending on what organization you go to, if you go to an organization like the Packers or the Ravens, You know, you have to imagine your development is going to be better than if you're going to an organization that needs a lot more work at that position. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. I'm told the OBJ to the Vikings thing. It's not the Vikings. Somebody else told me this morning a source that helped me break the Tom Brady to Tampa story. That OBJ is not a perfect fit there. He doesn't know if Minnesota is a perfect fit. But he did say that, um, The OBJ Baker thing will never be ideal.

As much as they both try, it's not ideal. All right, there you go. It's fun. Coming up next, his dad played in the NFL. People are now jumping on our bandwagon. I think he's the most underrated player in the draft. And he joins us next. Michael Pittman. It's the herd.

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was a running back, and was tough. I remember his dad when he played Arizona, Tampa Bay, and Denver. Michael Pittman, Jr. is now an NFL-wide receiver prospect. And I have said this to people I have talked to in the NFL, I've said, they'll ask me, you watch USC practice in games. And I said this two years ago. I said there's a kid. He could almost be a small, tight end, but he is a gamer, and he is tough.

And his name is Michael Pittman, and now people are calling him the sleeper of the draft. A big possession receiver, but I actually think he runs better than that. Michael's joining us. Michael, first of all, thanks for coming on the show. I appreciate it. Thank you. I mean, thank you for having me. Okay, so your dad played in the NFL, and I remember him as a tough guy.

Was he a tough dad? Has he helped you develop? Yes. Definitely. He's actually more soft than, like, people know, because, like, when he's out there playing, like, football, like, he's a big, muscle-up dude. But when he's our dad, you know, he's actually very kind, like, loving. So people don't know that side of him. But, yeah. When you came to USC, you were as a freshman, a tremendous special teams player. A lot of great high school players maybe don't want to do that. Maybe a lot of good college players don't want to do that. But you, you were, you were a freshman. You were a freshman. A lot of great high school players maybe don't want to do that. But you, but you, were so good on special teams. Take me back to your freshman year. Why?

Why were you so good? Yeah. Yeah, so I was so good on special teams is because we had a stack receiver room. So we had, I think we had Dequan hat, we had Isaac Whitney, we had Steven Mitchell, we had Ju-Ju, we had Viante, and then I came in with five other receivers. and Coach T said that only one of us is not going to red shirt. So I had to find ways to not redshirt and be that guy, like, who, like, was going to play. And Special Teams was my alley, like, into the offense.

And Special Teams is, like, football, too. And that's, like, a big – and, like, that's, like, a big part of guys getting their job and then keeping their job is just being, like, like, useful. Right. So I find ways to be useful. Yeah. By the way, Matt Slater went to UCLA. He's a 15-year special team stud for the New England Patriots. He's been in this league solely. Now you project as a better NFL player. You're working with T.J. Hushman Zada, who I've been friends with for years, who I covered in college. So as a former NFL receiver, what is T.J. giving you that you didn't know? What are the secrets you're learning in your prep?

Yeah. It's just the way that he can frame things is different from stuff that I've ever heard before. Just like he makes stuff make sense. So like just like different types of like receiver like terminology that may be explicit to say on a TV or like a show. But it's just like the way that he can make football like into like a life. lifestyle and just how he breaks stuff down and his like cleverness. So I've like learned stuff that I've never even thought of before. And I feel like it's really like like it's really like making me better. Do you have a receiver in the NFL or college that you think you're a prototype to that you watch and think I have the same body, same style?

Yeah. So I actually have three guys that I like try to take stuff from their game. So one is Brandon Marshall, and I think that he's like one of the smartest guys ever play. Mike Evans, because he's a physical specimen, go up and get it type. And then Mike Thomas is just like an overall just like Dominator. And those are my three guys that I really like to watch. By the way, Brandon Marshall, you and him have exactly the same body type. Those are really good comps, by the way.

They really are good comps. Would you, if I said to you, people don't see you as a burner. But I would argue not a lot of guys catch you, and you're very hard to bring down. What do you currently weigh? Right now, I am two, I sit on a scale yesterday morning at 224. Okay, that's a big wide receiver. What do you run a 40 in? My 40 at the combine was 452.

Okay. So, by the way, that is Brandon Marshall. Do you see yourself? Are there quarterback styles that work for you? Are you a guy that likes a detailed exact route? Would you like a quarterback like Sam Donald, by the way? I know the Jets like you. I know that.

That can move around in the pocket. What fits Michael best for your style? You know, I've had my fair share of quarterbacks, like in my college career. I don't really know what type of quarterback like. suits me best. Like, I'm going to play with any quarterback that, like, wants to throw me the ball, and we're just

going to make it work. By the way, you and Sam Darnel, if the Jets drafted you, is that a good fit? You like Sam? Yeah, I mean, like, I'd probably like move in with Sam, like, just like the first month or something. I'd be like, I'd be like, Sam, like, I'm like, come and live with you.

That's not bad at all. So now, do you work out every day? Is with all this virus stuff, do you work out every day? Are you stand in pretty good shape? Yes, so I am working out every day. I work out twice a day. So I have my field work, which is, which like starts anywhere from like 10 to like 1230, just like dependent on TJ's schedule that day. And then I have weight room at 3 o'clock every single weekday.

So a lot of teams have interviewed you, obviously. How many teams have interviewed you? And is there one you thought, man, they really like me. They really like me. you know i don't want to put a team business out there but um i had i've had quite a few calls and like i don't want to name like like teams and stuff because i don't know if they want their stuff kept like secret but um i've had my fair share of a zoom calls yeah yeah because i have a team i know likes you actually too um michael pitman junior hey good luck to you

It was an absolute pleasure watching you play. You're a grinder. I think you're going to make somebody very, very happy. Keep kicking butt and say hi to TJ for me. All right. Thank you. Appreciate you. All right.

Michael Pittman, California High School Player of the Year. The first time I saw him, I was standing next to, it was Joe Barry, an NFL assistant coach. It could have been Joe Barry. I'm not sure if it was. And I said to him, I said, that doesn't even look like a wide receiver. I'm like, that just looks like the best athlete. the field. I'm like, is he a wide receiver? He's like, oh, yeah, he's a wide receiver. He's a big wide receiver. So he'll make somebody happy. Get your free credit scorecard today,

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I criticize the coaching staff all the time. There's a lot of guys. Austin Jackson's left tackle. worries me, not strong enough. I see him as a first round. Everybody says you to first round tackle. And I'm like, I'm not sure he is. I told you, like Juju Smith-Schuster.

I told you I thought he was undervalued. Been a nice player for the Steelers. Sometimes a little distracted, little social media guy, but good player. All right. So we got a lot of stuff, including a little nugget. You know what my wife said yesterday, Joy? So my wife, you know, she is in Utah right now with a lot of the family, right? Right.

And so she goes, oh, do you have a good show today? And I said, yeah, this was yesterday. And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a show. I got, I'm going to do a mock draft. She goes, are you picking on Cam Newton again? I'm like, what? Like my daughter last night. My daughter came out to me and she goes, it's Baker Mayfield's birthday today.

And you should say something nice to Baker Mayfield. And I'm like, all right. So I just went and I went and I said, okay, happy birthday, Baker Mayfield. I saw your tweet. Yeah, and it got like 15,000 people. And it wasn't a troll. It was like my daughter said that would be nice if you did something to Baker Mayfield. So my wife is all over me about Cam Newton.

And my daughter's on me about Baker Mayfield. And so I got nothing against Cam, although there's a little story today about him. And I did wish Baker Mayfield a happy birthday. It wasn't trolling. I want people to know. It was genuine? Yeah, I'm not rooting against Baker Mayfield. I said he'd drive me nuts.

But he's good for the league. He's good for the league. Hour three next, The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Ah, Hour 3, we are live in Los Angeles, and this is The Herd under sunny skies, wherever you may be. However, you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, SiriusXM Channel 83. Joy Taylor is joining me.

You know how, Joy, on this thing, I'm not an epidemiologist or a doctor. I have a doctor. We've talked a lot about this virus. And I don't have any information. I'm like every other American. I'm reading a bunch of stuff. I'm going to make one prediction with this virus. Can I make a prediction, Joy?

I'm going to make a prediction. So years ago, this was, I remember. my daughter being six, seven months old, we were in a pool in Mexico. And it was my little daughter. I have a picture of it. She was just, you know, adorable.

And I'm in a pool in Mexico and, you know, like a resort thing. Right. It was our first vacation post-childbirth, right? And it may have been a year old. It may have been somewhere around there. And I'm in the pool and there is a doctor. And he is from the Middle East.

He's a surgeon that lives in Los Angeles. And I was just, you know, we're having a cocktail sitting there and we're just kind of talking. And I remember he said something to me. And I said, why did you not stay in the Middle East? And he said, he goes, I learned something very early about America. You guys fast track everything. If you have an idea, this surgeon said, and he was a very successful surgeon in Beverly Hills. He said, if you have an idea, nobody in the world fast tracks it like America.

So here's my only, my only prediction on this. The vaccine will not take a year and a half. It would in any other country. We are really good. And now we have to save lives and re-engineer our economy. If I had one prediction and I, I'll throw it out there. There'll be a vaccine in this country in nine or ten months. You know, like November, December, December.

Not next spring. That's my only prediction. I think America is very unique when we have to do something. If you look at what we did post 9-11, this country came together. We saved ourselves from a depression. And we bounced back rather quickly under a former president Barack Obama. So that's my only prediction. So there you go, Joy.

I would agree with that. We are, I feel like we're like one big family. We really fight with each other. But when we need to get something done, we just set everything down and get it together and get it fixed so that we can fight with each other again. No, and by the way, I think a lot of the fighting, some of it's divisive, some of it's useful. Republicans should argue with Democrats and vice versa. They should. You should have a belief system on the right and a belief system on the left. It's a little too divisive for my taste.

I don't want to get involved with it. But it's healthy. You can get stuff done. Disagreement is not always bad. You need differing opinions. It would be, in my opinion, nice if we could have. have like three or four opinions. Right.

But, you know, we make it work. We've done well so far. And I agree with you. We are very resilient people. We'll figure it out. Yeah. So the story is, Dak Prescott was at a party at his house.

He says it wasn't that big. Stephen Jones, we have sound on this. Stephen Jones of the Cowboys was not happy. And basically said, this sort of stuff, it's not going to happen again, whatever happened. We certainly have communicated with Dak and Zeke, and I think they're certainly aware now of how sensitive these situations are, and I don't think you'll be seeing that anymore. There's certainly guys that we have the utmost respect for, and I certainly know they understand the sensitivity of the situation we're in today. It's certainly very serious and something that certainly know they understand.

Let's be honest, I'm going to say something you all know is true. your off-season can derail your season. Off-seasons matter. Coaching changes, free agent, acquisitions, draft. The Cowboys have had a lousy off-season. Let's just be totally honest about this. Travis Frederick retires is a top five center in the league. DAC has not been as good with offensive line injuries.

Number two, you lost your top cornerback, the only really good cornerback to free agency. Number three, new head coach, new system, and because of the virus, no TAs. Number four, that can't happy. Quarterback, what do they always say? Mama not happy, house not happy. Quarterback not happy, locker room not happy.

And number five is, I like Amari Cooper, but you kind of had to overpay for him because he had a market. And I'll throw out number six. There is no way the Philadelphia Eagles can be that injury riddled this year. It's not possible. They lost their secondary. They lost their receiving. It is impossible for Philadelphia Eagles.

it is impossible for Philadelphia to be that injury riddle. There are teams, though, like I'll give you a team I think has had an unbelievable offseason and they're better than Dallas to begin with. I think Baltimore has had an unbelievable offseason. Number one, they added Cleas Campbell. Number two, they retained all of their top coaches. That matters in a year of the virus. Number three is they got Jimmy Smith the corner to re-sign and there was a market for him.

Number four, Lamar Jackson has never been happier and never been healthier. Number five, they got a second round pick for their second best tied in. Hayden Hurst. He's not as good as they thought and they got a second round pick for him. They also earn a division where Baker Mayfield has a new coach. We don't know if he can coach. We think so. Big Ben's coming off an injury and the Bengals are going to go with a rookie quarterback.

Dallas has not had a good offseason. Baltimore has had a sensational offseason. It's why this morning I would pick Baltimore as my Super Bowl favorite. Coming up, Mike Renner, pro football focus, draft lead analyst. Here's a story. This is theater and radio since a lot of people are driving. I am a radio professional. Ian Rappaport is an NFL reporter of note.

We like Ian. He mentions he was on a show. recently and he said, Cam Newton is going to wait until late summer to sign after a quarterback gets hurt and a team needs somebody to step into a starting role. The person who wrote this story about Ian said, that's new information. No, it's not and we like Ian. We've been talking about this for two weeks. Cam Newton will be a starting quarterback in this league this year some point. We've been saying that. It's just not going to happen yet. It's going to be post-draft. Let's just eliminate. And my wife doesn't like it when I pick on Cam. Let's just eliminate. Let's just eliminate.

three teams that are getting mentioned, and it's not going to happen. The Chargers. They've got Tyrod Taylor, who they like. They like a lot. Their GM told me, I'll just tell you, Tom. They like him. Buffalo and Cleveland, rebuilding teams. He had a winning record.

Chargers aren't rebuilding. Secondly, they're going to draft the quarterback. So they got their guys. Number two, the Patriots. The Patriots had a lot of opportunities to get guys like Teddy Bridgewater who actually fit their system. They passed. Why? No cap space.

Cam's not a good fit. Belichick's detail obsessed. Cam's talented. He's not great in the details. Number three, the Raiders. They're paying Marcus Mario to $8 million. And Derek Carr's got three more years left on the contract. Now, you can make an argument.

Cam's better than both. And I'm not sure you're wrong, but they're locked in. So those three teams get mentioned. They're not going to happen. But, but Pittsburgh, this is the team I think fits. Pittsburgh keeps telling me, we don't need him. We're not interested. Big Ben's not as good from the elbow surgery as you think.

You might be interested. Big Ben and Cam has some similarities. Little light in the details. Accuracy comes and goes. Athletes, big, can get hit, throw the deep ball very well. And it's a charisma with Big Ben and a charisma. They're stars with Cam Newton. Jacksonville, Jaguars, Gardner, Minshew, second week, tears a knee.

Really? You're not going to go with Cam? In Jacksonville, you can't sell seats. You don't think Cam can sell tickets? He's a celebrity. I do think there are three things working against Cam. Number one, Ron Rivera, his former coach, instead chose his backup. It's not a great signal.

It's not, you know, if I was on the market and my former boss chose my backup, that's not a great signal to the market. Ron Rivera said, no, thanks. Not great for him. Number two, that I don't think is a great thing going for him. He is a celebrity. and most people in this league would prefer not to have a celebrity backup. That's why teams were turned off with Tim Tebow.

It's like you bring them in, your starter has a bad week and everybody's yelling for Tebow. Number three, and I think this is a real thing, James Winston's on the market. James Winston's younger, more productive, and healthier. If you're telling me an Iron Man of a football team, I'd absolutely put James Winston on my roster as a backup for a reasonable price. absolutely. In fact, in Chicago, I'd have probably taken James Winston over Nick Foles, probably not sure, but would consider it. So I think the Rivera move, Ron Rivera move is not a great signal. He is a celebrity and the downside to be a celebrity. It's not, most teams don't want a celebrity backup. And James is on the market. And James is healthy. He's productive as hell.

And to be honest, he's younger. And James is an interesting guy for me. Again, wouldn't necessarily want to build around him, you cannot deny. Jamis makes mistakes, but a clean bill of health, I've been told he's a worker. He works. He's a grinder. He gets dinged up. He plays, and he's productive. He makes some really bad decisions.

So does Baker. We're not giving up on Baker yet, are we? I mean, Baker can be productive. Marcus Marioita, my big issue was he's just not productive enough. He didn't throw enough touchdowns. James, that's not an issue. All right, coming up, neck pro football focuses Mike Renner, their lead draft analysts.

I think Jalen Hertz goes higher than people think. C.D. Lam's a little overstated. Michael Pittman's the steal of the draft in the second or third round. And Joe Burrell's good, not special. What do they think? That's next to the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

Today's health concerns, sleep right, eat right, and get some help for your body, some immune support. It's called MDrive. Go to MDrive for Men. dot com code herd 20% off your first month elite testosterone and immune support i work out in my neighbor's garage and i wear a mask and gloves that's how i don't i can't live weights anymore hey you can't keep this chiseled just sitting out there eating donuts and drinking half and half okay gule so uh i like pro football focus but i disagree with them all the time and that's

what they do for a living i didn't like baker mayfield out of college nearly as much as they did and I'm always very reluctant to embrace Big 12 offensive stars because I think it's a bad defensive conference. I'll give you an example. C.D. Lamb, of the top 25 NFL corner prospects, the Big 12 has three. TCU has got one of the good ones, and he shut C.D. Lamb down. Two catches 16 yards and a very competitive game. So let me start with Mike Renner, lead draft analyst.

Now, I'm not saying this kid's a bust. I'm just saying Lincoln Riley schemes a lot of his. his guys open. That is hard to do in the NFL. Kyle Shanahan does that. I think C.D. Lam's talented, but I worry that in the NFL, I watched the game against TCU. He got shut down by a good NFL corner. You do not think he's undervalued, right? I do not. To me, he's still a top 10 player on our board. Top 10? Yeah. He's a little thin. Doesn't bother you? He is a little thin, but he plays a lot stronger than his weight. I mean, he's around 200 pounds, 6-2.

Obviously, that's, you know, you'd like him to be probably 205-210 at that size, but when he breaks tackles, the way he sort of has that innate shake and sink in his hips that, that's something you can't teach. And that route running ability, a lot of people fall in love with these measurable in the draft, and he doesn't

have those, but the things that like don't get measured that actually matter on the football field that matters to the wider year position, I think he saw those game in and a game out on his Oklahoma table. give me a receiver because receiver is a weird position, Mike. I went back to the last five drafts. Amari Cooper's a rarity, a first round receiver that was worth the pick.

There's a lot of whips. And I think a lot of this is receivers out of college are very dependent on the right NFL coach, the right quarterback, and the right offensive line. If a quarterback's under duress, it alters your routes. So I think a receiver position is very dependent more than other positions on several things working for you to hit. So give me a receiver in the first round that's going to get picked potentially that you don't think is quite first round material. Well, and they also, a lot of the sort of production numbers that guys get drafted highly for can be phony sometimes.

And that's why one of the guys, Justin Jefferson is the guy I'd probably answer that question to. I just would not draft in the first round because he was a slot receiver in the LSU's offense this past season. He was not beating guys one-on-one to get his yardage. He was kind of sitting in holes in the middle of the zone, running, crossers running deep digs that weren't necessarily him beating a guy one-on-one. It was him taking advantage of the LSU scheme. If anyone benefited from that, I don't think it was Jamar Chase. I don't think it was Joe Burrow.

I think it was Justin Jefferson when he watched him back in 2018 when he had to sort of win on his own on the outside, the true, you know, ex-receiver, the guy who's your go-to-guy, that was his role back to 2018, wasn't nearly as productive, did not, you know, separate one-on-one. So that's the thing that we believe in here at PFF, the guys didn't get open one-on-one, that you really want to covet, not necessarily the guys who put up the biggest numbers. Okay, so Joe Burrell has been compared to LeBron Brady Manning, Montana. I know he doesn't have a great arm.

His hand size is a little smaller than ideal. He did play with the greatest college roster perhaps ever for one season, and he wasn't very good as a junior. So the grade, again, you guys love Baker. I said late first, early second. I like Burrow. His comp to me is Tony Romo. Very, very good NFL player.

But what is your grade on Burrow? He's, in my opinion, the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck. Highest grade we've ever given to a quarterback in past season. And it was not against Big 12 defenses, Calam. This was against the SEC. My favorite stat that I kind of go back to about him is that he played four top 10 defenses per the PFF grading, four top 10 graded defenses against them. He completed 72.6 percent of his passes, 9.1 yards per attempt, 381.5 yards per game.

and through 13 touchdowns compared to only one pick. Like he dominated the best defenses in college football. We just haven't seen, we haven't seen that kind of ever before in our, you know, six years of doing this. But Cincinnati Bengo O line not great. LSU may have had the best offensive line in college football in a decade. Does that matter at all? So our granting would not say that they were the best college football offensive line. He still was under pressure.

And I think you saw that's almost one of the best attributes is that one pressure does hit. He still made plays. He had the highest grade of any quarterback college football outside of the pocket this past season. He was able to make plays when things broke down. So it's the level of accuracy that he has that you can evaluate sort of independently of the talent. And that's what we do here at PFF is chart where every ball was placed on throws 10 plus yards downfield. He was accurate on 65 percent of those. The ball went where it was supposed to go.

We've only had six quarterbacks in the six years doing this ever get above 50 percent. So he's just on this other level that of accuracy. and he's working out with some guys out in California, I believe. We talked with T.J. Huizizizzo was working with the receivers there, and he said the quarterback's there, can't stop talking about how accurate this guy is. That, to me, is the sort of upside for NFL quarterbacks. How accurate can you be, and he has that? My NFL sources are much more critical of Justin Herbert.

They're very cool on him. So they just think he's a little robotic. I keep arguing Oregon's offense is simplistic. they were the eight most passing attempts in the PAC 12. That's with four NFL offensive linemen. Three that just left and one left tackle, who will be the number one tackle taken probably in a year or two. I don't know if he's a sophomore or junior, Sewell.

So where do you guys land on Justin Herbert? We're probably, to be honest, even lower than that. He is the 30th overall player in our draft board. And that's with the sort of positional value caked in. And it's for almost the opposite reason. of why it was so high on Murrow in the big game against the best defenses, Herbert did not come to play. I mean, against Wisconsin this past year in the bowl game. Yes, they won 138 passing yards against Utah, conference championship, 193 passing yards, bad, below average

passing rates against Auburn, Arizona State, Utah, Wisconsin, all the best defenses he faced. He kind of showed up small. And I think the kind of microcosm of Herbert as a quarterback was that final play of the Auburn game. Think back, he had a Hail Mary chance to, I think it was to win the game, last play of the game, Hail Mary from like the 15. the yard line throws the 10 yards past the end zone. This is the sort of mental aspect of playing the quarterback position. I don't think is there for him. And it hasn't, he hasn't really improved in any noticeable way, shape, or form since when he first started starting as two freshmen. Yeah, listen, I, two GMs I really like are really cold on him. They just, they just keep saying,

he doesn't have the it. Whatever that is, he doesn't have it. He's got all the measurables. He's got a big arm, but he didn't have it. Now, how about Jordan Love, who's got a lot of it but had a bad last year in college. Yeah, so everyone wants to point to, he lost his head coach, lost nine of his, you know, starters offensively. And yes, that's obviously going to hurt, but there's things on his tape that has nothing to do with the talent around him that are bad still. Like his consistent footwork and sort of the mechanics of him throwing down to down is still

bad. The, you know, reading defense and getting to your sort of read, your first read on time and where the ball needs to go is. bad still. He kept throwing, you know, easy picks that had nothing to do with the talent around him this past season at Utah State. So to me, he, I'd almost rather have him than Justin Herbert because I think he could get there, like the mental aspect I think is there. But he's just a guy who has to sit for not just one year, maybe two years to get all those things cleaned up to like robotically drill it into him that, hey, you can't, you know, be making the same mistakes

at the NFL level. That's just going to cost you too many games the way he played this year at Utah State. sleeper in the draft for PFF, Mike Renner is who? Well, I think it's easy to point out a lot of wide receivers of how deep this wider seeer class is. Some guys are going to get lost, but to me, Michael Pittman Jr., USC, I hate to say it as a Notre Dame grad, but that dude has all these sort of tools you want at the wider steer position today. Doesn't play the grade 40, but to me, he's going to be the guy that slips to the second

round, and we're thinking how the heck did he slip to the second round in two years, similar to Michael Thomas. He only ran a four, in the four-fives. Michael Thomas only ran the four-fives, but he had that sub-7-3 cone at 220-plus pounds. That shows me that he can change directions, cut on a dime, and you saw that ability to get open underneath

intermediate range, consistently on his tape, and his ball skills are off the chart. Only five drops on 170 catchable passes, the entire college career. The guy has that down pat. He even said to us in the Super Bowl, you know, if I'm not open, I'm open. He believes in himself.

So I think he is your sort of quintessential, the big wide receiver you want. in this draft class. Okay, like Chase Young's your can't miss guy, blah, blah, blah. Is there another guy that PFF grades can't miss? Yeah, I think Jeffrey Okuda, what he did over the course of his college career, not just what he did, where he did. He did it playing man coverage at Ohio State, the vast majority of his next press man coverage, and he dominated at a pass-a-winning allowed under 50 for his entire college career. When he was in press,

allowed a completion percentage around 33% over, you know, three years as, you know, dating back to him as a true freshman playing for Ohio State. Then he has the biggest wingspan. If anyone with the combine, has the highest vertical, biggest, longest broad jump. Like every physical tool and every on-field production metric says, this guy's as good as it gets. When you have all that, it's going to be difficult to me for me to see him missing in the NFL. Tua, when you look at his injuries, his, like the plays that he got hurt. what does it mean to you at pff i i would be worried if some team's going to tell me i he's off

our board the injuries are too scary the lengthy history at this point too scary i'm not going to debate you because he doesn't really wear hits in the pocket well some guys have that feel of how to get their feet up and how to turn their body and you know spin off a hit he's he has that sam bradford a sort of statue that panic almost when he gets hit that just his body goes limp and he just gets rocked. And not only when he dislocated his hips, but he also, on that same play, broke his nose. It's almost kind of a microcosm of how poorly he does wear some of those hips.

So, yes, it's not a death knell, but the fact that he was injured so much behind an offensive line that he's going to have three first round tackled, you know, that we're protecting him over the course of this career behind one of the best offense line in college football. That's going to be very concerning to me in the NFL. He is accurate, though, right? He's very accurate.

Like, throw off one foot accurate. Yeah. I mentioned that stat about Burrow being the most accurate quarterback on 10 plus yards throws down field. His 2018 season was the second most accurate around 59% on those throws. Mike Renner, pro football focus, very good. This is so much fun. So, folks, we got a battle. PFF thinks that Joe Burroughs the best quarterback since Andrew Luck.

I do not. But I think Trevor Lawrence could be next year, but that's why this is fun. Mike, great job, excellent information. He's been covering the draft for the last five years. Nice job, Mike. For sure, Kyle. Thanks for having me on. You bet.

All right. Look at that. You know what? It's going to be fun because if Burrow wins, I'm never going to hear the end of it. Nope. I'm not. You guys are just in Cincinnati. I'm never going to let you hear the end of it.

You guys just going to be all, because. and Louisiana is going to be all over me and then Cincinnati's going to and joy is going to be and then my wife my daughter last night say something nice about Baker Mayfield is his birthday

so I'm like all right happy birthday Baker and everybody's like you're trolling him you can't even be nice on Twitter people are so negative on Twitter that when you're nice

people are like you're trolling I wish them happy birthday that's not trolling you can't even be nice on Twitter I am almost done that platform. Get your free credit scorecard today. Even if you're not a Discover customer,

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sports's favorite debate, Michael Jordan versus LeBron James, who is the greatest ever? It's obviously one of the more popular debates in sports history. And it continues. And Bill Lambier, who played against MJ, as a member of the bad boy Pistons.

He hates MJ. Made it clear that he is team LeBron. I'm very vocal. I think LeBron is the best player that's ever played the game. He's 6'8, 285 pounds, runs like the wind and jumps out of the gym. And more importantly, when he came into league from day one, he knew how to involve his teammates to win. And that's something that Jordan had to learn for a long time.

Now, if you go by championships, obviously, Michael Jordan has more championships. But I think LeBron in any generation would be doing what he's doing right now all these years. And I think he, at the end of the day, I firmly believe that he's the best basketball player in the history of the game. You can certainly have that. I'm not appalled by the argument. I mean, he is. Here's one thing that you can't argue. He's much bigger and stronger than Michael.

I mean, he's much bigger, stronger athlete. I think that the generational debate, like what the game was when Limbier and MJ were playing as opposed to what it is now is. is a fair debate. Would LeBron fit into that style of basketball? I don't know. I mean, the league is not the same with the hand check on, the whining with the fouls and, you know, flopping and all that. And listen, I love the NBA, and I think the game is better now.

But when you look at what it was, then I don't necessarily know. I mean, that's a certain mentality to know that you're going to, you know, you're going to drive to the basket and take an elbow in the face regardless of who is in the paint and then you you just have to deal with it. You just have to eat that and you're not probably not even going to get a call. I mean, look, Limbier and MJ, like, we know the situation is there. So it's not surprising that he is, you know, team LeBron. But I love the debate.

I think it's amazing because whatever side you're on, you cannot be convinced otherwise. I don't think that it's a massive gap. So it doesn't offend me when people argue LeBron. And I certainly think that LeBron is the greatest, he's the greatest overall superstar that we've ever seen in the history of sports, maybe in the history of superstars. What he's had to deal with from the age of 16 until now and the grace and the poise and maturity that he has demonstrated, the leadership is, I don't know if there's anyone you can even compare it to.

But I'm still an MJ zealot, and I can't wait for the documentary. By the way, MJ's net worth is $2.1 billion, so he is the richest athlete ever. MJ, $2.1 billion. I don't think there's another billionaire as an athlete. I think there's a lot of guys worth $500 million. He's worth $2.1 billion in growing. Wow. Jordan Brand is still as amazing today.

So Joe Burrow could be facing a tough year if he's drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals and even he is preparing himself for the potential struggles in his rookie season. Whatever team I go to, it's going to be a challenge at the beginning. I'm going to have to, you know, persevere through it.

And just like I've done in the past, and, you know, you might have a really, good first year. You might have a really bad first year. You don't really know, especially without OTAs this year. You're going to have less time with your team. So there's going to be ups and down for sure. You're just going to have to battle through it. He's not wrong. Doesn't sound very confident. Look, I agree with Nick Wright earlier. He's been very smartly has been very picky with his words throughout this whole off season leading up into the draft what he said about where he goes and what could possibly happen because I don't blame him for holding out, not that I'm

saying he is, but if he is holding out hope to get, you know, that traded out of that position to someone else, I think he's been very particular with his words for a reason. But he's not wrong, though. It is going to be a challenge for all of these new guys coming into the league, no matter what situation you're in. I think Joe Burroughs in a more unique situation in his position because he is going to be expected to be the starter in Cincinnati because he's the number one overall pick, which wasn't the case of Baker Mayfield. You remember Tyrod Taylor started the season, and there was a big push for Baker to sit for most of the season. I disagreed with that.

I think if you're the number one overall pick, you should be ready to go week one in the NFL. That's why you're the number one overall pick. But some of the other guys that are going to be drafted in the first round at the quarterback position might not necessarily have to start week one. So they're going to be presented with a different challenge. We have to consider everything that's going on in the world today. It's just going to affect this season one way or another. Whether you, you know, if you're a guy like Whitworth, who we had on yesterday, you know,

who's kind of glad to not have to be on the field around this time, that's one thing. But rookies is just a different situation. There's so much that you have to learn. There's so much you have to absorb. So losing that time is going to affect you one way or the other. If you have a successful season, you'll certainly get credit for that. But you have to take that into consideration this year for sure. We'll talk more about this story.

on JoyChat at 3.30 Eastern on caffeine. Go download the app and subscribe to the Fox Sports channel. That's at 3.30 Eastern Today live. Finally, more new uniforms, Colin. The Browns have revealed their new uniforms for the 2020 season. The team said they wanted to get back to the roots of who the Browns are with a look inspired by their past championship teams. Not Super Bowl teams, but championship teams.

Worth noting. The video posted to Twitter revealed the new uniforms featuring a montage of past and present Brown's footage to show they want to return to the team's glory days. They went under a big expansive uniform change in 2015. When were the glory days in Cleveland? I wasn't around for those. Either was everybody except Jesus. I mean, I don't remember those.

I've heard some epic tales. Browns fans insist that this time existed. So I guess they have footage of that. Did they even win the division title when Jim Browns? or did the Steelers beat him in too? Well, the Browns will donate their net proceeds from these jersey sales to hats off to our heroes, the fund to assist coronavirus relief in Cleveland.

I like that. So that's very nice. I don't really see a significant difference from last year's uniforms. So most of these uniform changes are just tweaks. I grew up. The quarterback, when I grew up for the Cleveland Browns, he was actually very good.

His name was Brian Seip. He was number 17. So my dad got me an NFL uniform for my seventh birthday, and it was a Cleveland Browns. I can remember putting it on my helmet, and it was hard to get on, so I didn't wear it a lot. It was just a lot of, you know, the belt and everything.

But my first NFL uniform, because Seattle didn't have an NFL team when I was six or seven years old, was a Cleveland Browns, and they had a guy named Brian Sipe, and he was a very good player, and Cleveland was pretty good. Bernie Cozar stuff was brief,

but that's my, and I remember Cincinnati, at the time had a guy named Kenny Anderson, who again was a very good quarterback, very accurate like Brian Seip. That's the last time. The Bernie Cozar stuff was quick. I don't remember I know they were pretty good. Colin, you... They lost a hellway.

You know how much you lucked out? That's how seeds get planted. That's how you accidentally become fans of teams like the Browns. Your parents buy a uniform. That's right. You know what I mean? And then it just sticks to you for the rest of your life. Peter Kingso was like, oh, Otto Graham was great. And I'm like, people played

in bare feet when Otto Graham played. There was no helmets. I mean, there was just literally running around eating sandwiches and throwing footballs around. That doesn't count. History can't be forgotten, Colin. People smoked at halftime. Come on, Otto Graham. Let me have a break.

Y-A. Tittle. There's one picture of them bleeding. Everybody's like, it's the best football ever played. They played in living rooms. How do you count any of that stuff? All right, Joy, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping you.

about the herd line news. Yeah, whenever anybody does that on Babe Ruth. Oh my God, Babe Ruth was out by later. He played against roofers and sandwich makers. There was like seven pitchers in baseball. I kept facing him. The average American was like five, eight and a half. And Babe Ruth, by the way, Babe Ruth looked like a giant when he played.

He was 6.1, 2, 15. He's a shortstop today. He looked like he was just, he looked like Jonathan Ogden left tackle. And just people were tiny back then. If you put Babe Ruth right now on a college baseball team, he would not be one of the biggest players. If you go and look at an average major league baseball pitching staff, there's like four guys at 6-5 or bigger. Pitching guys are 6-7, 6-6 guys. Babe Ruth was a giant.

He was 6-2. He would have dominated today. Give me a break. In baseball, you're always talking about the guys that would have dominate. Nobody in football ever says, you know, Red Grange today would just tear it up. Nobody says in basketball, George Miken would be unstoppable. But I'm supposed to believe Babe Ruth in 1912 would walk in and you got a Dodger staff, guys throw a 98 on a spot

and he'd be just raking it. Give me a break. The Browns won the 1964 NFL championship with Jim Brown on the team. Who did they beat? 1964. Who did they beat? I bet you the team doesn't even exist. Who did they beat in 1964?

They be about. There you go. Google probably. They can't even find it. The Baltimore Colts. Don't even exist. All right. There you go.

Well, I mean, there's a team called the Colts, and there is a team in Baltimore. You know what's funny? A Baltimore story? I met the Super Bowl. I get into an elevator. And I used to love Baltimore because they had Bert Jones and Lydell Mitchell. I get into an elevator and a guy where the hat comes on. He goes, I love your work, son.

And he goes, my name's Lydell Mitchell. I'm like number 26, Baltimore Colts. You and Burke Jones. you guys. And I think I made his day. You know, I was like, of course, Lydell Mitchell. Absolutely. I know who you are. Number 26, Baltimore Colts, Burke Jones, number seven. And I was like, wow, I'm like rain man when you go to the 60s and 70s. Then I started drinking. You know, then I found out what cocktails were. Now it's all big blur to me. All right, coming up next, my predictions, Fox Bet has some interesting over unders touchdown passes, win totals on

quarterbacks in the NFL. I'll address those next. They're heard. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. On FS1, it's Wednesday night I racing, catch some of the biggest stars in racing as they hit their simulators and battle on some of the best dirt tracks on the circuit. It all starts tonight at

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Baker Mayfield is projected to throw 25.5 touchdown passes. Will he go over or under? That feels like a pretty easy over for me. Last year with a bad head coach and a horrific offensive line, especially at the tackle position, he threw for 22 touchdowns. They added a right tackle in Jack Conklin. They'll solve their left tackle issue in the draft. They add Austin Hooper.

Kind of a reception machine out of Atlanta. That's an easy one. Baker's going to rebound and have over 25 and a half. touchdown passes. Ben Rathesberger is projected to throw 29.5 touchdown passes. Will he go over or under? I bet the under. He's 38 years old coming off a surgery to his elbow. They added Eric Ebron at tied in, but he's a guy that likes to throw it down the field, the wide receivers. So that seems a bit high for me. Daniel Jones is projected to throw 27.5 touchdown passes. Will he go over or under? I would say

Sorry, I skip Dak Prescott there. Dak Prescott is projected to throw at 27.5 touchdown passes. I'd go under. Travis Frederick gone, Randall Cobb, gone, and a new coach with no OTAs. So I would say, and Dax right now, not even going to camp.

So 27 and a half. Last year he had 30. That was a career high. I also think the Redskins get Chase Young, two games against that defensive front. I'd say he's a little bit under that number. All right. Now, Daniel Jones.

is projected to throw 27 and a half touchdown passes over or under. I would say over because I think their offensive line is going to be addressed in the draft. And again, I think the number's right. I think 27 touchdown passes for Daniel Jones is right. They have a new coach. Mike, I don't know how good this guy is from New England. Joe Judge, I have no idea. But I like Daniel Jones, and I think the number's about right.

I'd probably go slightly over. Jimmy Garapolo projected to throw 27 and a half touchdown passes over or under. I think the number's right. I'd probably go slightly over. They did have a lot of offensive line injuries last year and a fullback injury, which engineers their running game, which create play action passing opportunities. So they're also going to address wide receiver in the draft, I'm told.

They also have good young receivers who got hurt last year, but they do lose Emmanuel Sanders. So my takeaway is the number's right. They're going to add a receiver. I don't think they'll be quite as banged up offensively as they were last year. So I say slight over for Jimmy G on touchdown passes. How about Josh Allen's 22 and a half touchdown passes over or under? I think that's an easy over.

That's an easy one. Stefan Diggs gives you about six, seven touchdowns a year. Josh Allen's a big arm guy. Diggs is a great deep route runner. And I also think Buffalo is really well run. And I think they have a bunch of really good coaches right now. And I think Josh Allen, a young quarterback with good coaches gets better. So I think Allen's trajectory is going up.

And I also think the division without Brady, those are winnable games. And, you know, a lot of three-in-outs by Jarrett Stidham and more opportunities for him in those two games. So I think the over. How about Kyler Murray, 25 and a half touchdown passes over or under? I think that's an easy over. First of all, he only started one year in college. So he's learning the position. Secondly, they added DeAndre Hopkins.

It's now the second year with Cliff. Kingsbury the coach. They also are going to address the offensive line where he was running for his life. So that seems like to me, Kyler Marie is a guy that nobody watched last year because he played in a bad team. I like that number a lot. Lamar Jackson projected to throw 30 and a half touchdown passes. Will he go over or under? Again, that's a huge number. And last year he had 36 and it set an NFL record. I would probably say under. I'd probably say he's at 29 or 30. Not because I don't like him, but he just had an unbelievable year, and people were still trying to figure out how to defend him. I think he's going to have a really good year, and they're going to be a good team.

But if he comes down a little bit, you know, in the playoffs, end of the year, people kind of got a little bit, slowed it down a little. So I think if he throws for 29 or 30 touchdowns, actually, I think that's the kind of balance Baltimore wants, so I'd say under. Philip Rivers projected to throw 26 and a half touchdown passes over or under. Under. A good old line, but outside of T.Y. Hilton, now that Eric Ebron is gone, I mean, do they have a dependable number two or three receiver? So I think he'll have time to throw, but I don't think he has a lot of targets to throw, too. And I think the Colts have to address their wide receiver and tight-ed in position in the draft. Sam Darnold, 23 and a half touchdown passes over. This is the easiest one in the book. He had 19 last year and had mono for three games.

Now, they lost Robbie Anderson, but the offensive line. line is already better than last year. Connor McGover, a center, Connor McGover from Denver's an upgrade. Noah Fant right tackles an upgrade. They'll address left tackle in the draft. And they're also going to address wide receiver. They have a real GM now, a grown-up.

So everything went wrong for them early in the season, late in the season. By the way, those games against the Patriots now, I think they'll go in and be more competitive with Brady out, so that's an easy over. Speaking of Brady, he's projected to throw 29 and a half touchdown passes over or under. Okay, through.

24 last year with nothing. Julian Edelman, Muhammad Sanoo got inserted into the team late. I think he's going to blow past it. I think he's going to Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, O.J. Howard, Bruce Ariens. I think he's going to, I think Brady is going to fly through that. Teddy Bridgewater projected to throw 23 and a half touchdown passes. Will he go over or under? I think it's going to be right at the number I'd say over.

I've said this now for a couple years. I think Carolina skill people are way underrated. I like DJ Moore. I like Curtis Samuel. I love Christian McCaffrey. They lost Greg Olson, but they added Robbie Anderson. So you go from a defensive coach, Ron Rivera, to an offensive system coach and Matt Rule. They add Robbie Anderson, and I like their young receivers.

In fact, if you told me, tell me a team with a better first three receivers than Robbie Anderson, DJ Moore, and Curtis Samuel. I mean, I'm sure there is one. That's pretty good. And by the way, Christian McCaffrey is a great, great. Great receiving running back. So Teddy Bridgewater will be in the 25-26 range. That was fine.

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He was 6-2-2-20. Do you know how big Derek Jeter was as a middle infielder? 6-2-200? That's short-stops. The Yankees right now, Greg, what was that stat you gave me on the rank? Yankee size. They only have two players on their roster under six feet. You look at pitchers now.

They're all 6-5. They're all throwing 97. And that's on a mound. I'm Babe Ruth. I'm 6-2-189. I'm a good pot of chili away from being Babe Ruth. I'm a couple loaves of bread and a big pot of chili from being Babe Ruth. Brian Kelly, Notre Dame coach, we'll be joining us tomorrow.

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