The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Patrick Mahomes, Cant Overpay Superstar QBs, Nick Wright, Terry Bradshaw & Michael Vick

Episode Date: July 7, 2020

In this episode, Colin explains why you cannot overpay for a star QB; coming off the Kansas City Chiefs historic 10-Year signing of Patrick Mahomes. Colin also gives his take on the Chiefs "living in the moment", and how having the leagues best Quarterback for the next foreseeable decade doesn't necessarily guarantee more Super Bowls. Nick Wright then joins the show to let it be known that in this very moment, Patrick Mahomes is a bonafide Hall Of Famer. Colin also lets it be known to pump the brakes on comparing Mahomes to Micheal Jordan. Terry Bradshaw & Michael Vick also join the show to share insight and their thoughts on the future of Patrick Mahomes career. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Couldn't be happier for him. Joy Taylor is joining me. Terry Bradshaw next hour. Michael Vic, after that, my friend Nick Wright, joining me this hour. This story broke at the end of yesterday. show joy and it's not only good for Patrick Mahomes,

it's good for Kansas City, it's good for Andy Reid, it's good for the NFL, it's good for CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN, anybody that's got an NFL contract, it's good for everybody. There's a win for the entire league. It feels almost like a shift, right, into like the next era of the NFL.

Yeah, they've changed all the rules. Quarterbacks are really valuable. They are, they are in America. right now, the most important position in American sports as quarterback in the NFL. And I was thinking about this this morning. Find me the big money NFL quarterback contract that isn't worth it. No, I'm dead serious. I struggle to find a single baseball contract of big money that's worth it.

Mike Trout's amazing. $435 million for Mike Trout? I looked it up this morning. He's never won a playoff game. The Angels are barely relevant. relevant in Los Angeles. Forget the rest of the country. And Mike Trout's amazing.

Think of all the quarterback contracts. Of course Patrick Holmes is worth every penny. I could argue he's underpaid, although I doubt he really cares. Carson Wentz. That's the one. Oh, come on, Carson Wentz. I looked it up this morning. The Philadelphia Eagles, as far as I can tell, make over $10 million a home game.

In fact, if my math is right, it's closer to $20 million a home game. He carried them to the playoffs. Let's just cut it in the middle. It's $15 million they make. From beer, they drink a lot of beer in Philadelphia, to tickets, to sweets, to advertising, to tailgating, to programs, to food. They eat a lot in Philly.

Carson Wentz made that franchise $15 million. He got them a home game. Did you watch the Eagles last year when he was throwing a deck furniture, lawn chairs? He carried them to the playoffs. He made half his contract in a one home game. Hell, the Cowboys make $600 million a year with their stadium. I'm not joking.

Philadelphia makes $220 million. Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers doesn't have an owner. Free agents don't want to play there. It doesn't matter. They've got Aaron Rogers. They win 10 games a year. People bag on Kirk Cousins.

Kirk Cousins is 18 and 12. He got the Vikings a home playoff game. You're making half your contract on a home playoff game. I looked at all the contracts this morning. Everybody banged on Jimmy Garoppolo. He's 21 and 5 as a starter. Kyle Shanahan's great. Losing record in San Francisco without him.

Jimmy Garoppolo makes $27.5 million. Today, you think that's underpaid? He's getting them multiple home games. Garopolo gets them two home playoff games. They're making $30 million on those. He pays for his contract. Jared Goff, everybody bangs on Jared Gop. Now, he's worked his contract a little bit to help the team,

but let's say it makes about $32 million, $33 million a year. He's already been to a Super Bowl. He's 33 and 14 as a starter. Sean McVeigh's system, he's great. And people bag on Jared Goff. It's Los Angeles. We have options. If you can't score points,

I watched him out play Mahomes on Monday Night Football in Los Angeles. I've watched him out play Kirk Cousins. I've watched him outplay Dak Prescott. And you bag on Jared Goff's contract. It's Los Angeles. People have options here. You want to put up Blake Bortles in that division? He's got to go against Russell Wilson, Trice,

Goropolo. twice. Kyler Murray twice. Jared Gough is worth every penny he makes. He's worth every penny. You can't have a backup. You can't have Blake Bortles in the city. There's too many things going on. We have Kauai, LeBron, AD, and Paul George. The coaches are famous

here, Doc Rivers. So, I mean, there's just certain things in life you cannot overpay for. You cannot overpay for California coastal real estate. Homes in Malibu used to go for four. Then 14, then 24. Now they go for $84 million.

and with Silicon Valley, those are bonus checks in Silicon Valley for the smart guys or women. There'll be $300 million homes in Malibu in the next 50 years. You can't overpay for it. They're not making any more of it. And in the NFL, you cannot overpay for a star quarterback. I mean, Russell Wilson has overcome an archaic offensive system. Bad offensive line. Bad offensive line coaches, bungled first round picks, undrafted wide receivers.

He makes it all work. He just makes it all work. I mean, Aaron Rogers has no owner. It's a small market. Free agents don't want to play there. Green Bay is only giving him one really big time defense. It doesn't matter. He usually wins the division.

You can't overpay for it. I struggle to find a single big baseball contract I like. John Carlos Stanton, Robinson Canoe, Mani Machado, Mike Trout. You got to be kidding me. None of those guys translate to Ws. I love Bryce Harper, the player, and I think there's some merchandising with him.

you can get you can't get with other stars, but Bryce Harper's contract, Washington got better without him. I mean, so when I look at these contracts and you throw in the fact, and this is another one, the NFL has changed all the rules, as Joe and I talked about to start this rant, it's all offense. Because Cousins is worth the money. Goff's worth the money. Even Matt Stafford is the other one. Everybody bangs on Matt Stafford. Do you realize that Matt Stafford has seven wins against the Green Bay Packers?

If you have to play Aaron Rogers twice a season, minimum, you're not going to pay for a quarterback? Matt Stafford has beat the Green Bay Packers seven times. He's thrown 34 touchdowns against the Green Bay Packers, often in Lambo. His quarterback rating is 90 against the Green Bay Packers. You don't think Matt Stafford's worth the money? What are you going to go with?

Matt Moore? Sean Manion? What are you going to go with? Matt Stanford gives you fighting chance. Goff gives you fighting chance against the Niners. Matt Ryan, you're facing Drew Brees. I'm sorry, he's won an MVP. The money for NFL quarterbacks is always worth it.

Even the guys we bang on are a bargain. So Patrick Mahomes, take it to the bank. So I saw this. Let me shift to this. Everybody's saying this morning, Well, what does this mean for Dak Prescott? I mean, we have to talk about that, right? It's the contract negotiation that will never go away.

So companies always worry about this word. Remember this word. Companies hate it. Precedent. Well, if you pay this guy that or this woman that, well, then you're going to have to pay everybody. I never buy into that. There's Patrick Mahomes.

one business, and then there's D. Scott. That's another business. You don't hear other DJs saying, you know, Howard Stern made 91 million last year. I deserve at least 21 million. I'm one-fifth of Howard Stern. No, no, no. Howard Stern is his own market. You don't hear other basketball players say, Michael Jordan made $140 million on his shoe deal. I should get, I mean, he hasn't played in 20 years. I deserve at least $20 million. Michael Jordan has his own brand, not just his own shoe. Michael Jordan is his own market. Patrick Mahomes is his own market. There is no other Patrick Mahomes.

Lamar Jackson's never won a playoff game. You never want a playoff game. We have found the perfect quarterback. Even Aikman and Bradshaw and Montana and Brady, it was bumpy to start. He's 24. He's the perfect size. He has the best arm. He has the best offensive coach.

He's incredibly mature. This guy's his own market. You can pay him. And then DAC is different. And by the way, DAC isn't even arguably the MVP of the offense. Most believe it's Zeke in the offensive line. Dak doesn't necessarily elevate the cowboy brand.

Let's be honest, Tony Romo became a household name. You know, there were arguments. Tony Romo was the third or fourth best quarterback in the NFC. Forget Peyton Manning. Forget Brady. Forget Big Ben. Just in the NFC was the third or fourth best quarterback. So DAC doesn't necessarily elevate the brand,

and you have to think about that. Patrick Mahomes is the chiefs. He is the Kansas City Chiefs. He's not just the face of the franchise. I'd argue now he's the face of the league. So I've never bought into this talk about, well, this is a precedent. You can't pay him. There are people that are their own market.

Mahomes is his own market. Nobody throws the ball like that. Nobody makes plays like that. He's a walking highlight reel. his highlight reel after two years. This kid is a coin toss in overtime from going to two Super Bowls in his first two years and probably winning both

because I think they come out and beat the Rams. I mean, there is no comp. The only other guy in the league I would give a 10-year contract to. The only other player I'd give a tenure contract to is Russell Wilson. And even then the last two years, he's 40, 41. Probably the player gets the better end of the deal than the franchise. guys. No other player in the NFL

were talking about 10-year contracts? I mean, we signed this yesterday. When this story broke, we all went, oh, yeah, yeah, 10, yeah, of course. It wasn't even an argument. It was, yeah, of course you would sign it. Russell Wilson's the only under guy in the league. You got consider. I mean, I love Carson Wentz, injuries. Aaron Rogers, old.

I mean, you start stacking guys up. Lamar Jackson. I got no playoff wins. Give me another year. You got to give me at least one more year on Lamar. I mean, this wasn't even an argument. 10 years, I'd been comfortable with 12 to 14, seriously. I don't have a problem with it. He's his own market. Coming up next, you can think I'm crazy on this.

But I think he only wins one more Super Bowl. I'm dead serious. And I think that's totally okay. It will not in any way ding Patrick Mahomes. You think I'm nuts. I love Andy Reid. I think they're getting under Super Bowl. And I don't even think it's this year.

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and there's not many. Anyway, is I'm not really good at enjoying the moment. I've gone to therapy about it and stuff, but if I have a great day, I'm always looking ahead to the next one, trying to top it. It's not a good quality. I'm not very good at it.

It's important to enjoy the moment. And Kansas City, to their credit, Andy Reid, really enjoyed the moment when they won the Super Bowl. they had more spare ribs. Andy Reed celebrated for two weeks, and that's what you should do. You shouldn't be like me.

You should celebrate stuff. Because Fox Bet came out yesterday, and they don't care about anything other than making money. That's what gambling companies do. And they have the over-under on Patrick Mahomes Super Bowls going forward as one and a half. And that's the right number? And if you made me bet my 401K on either,

I'd probably take the under. I think Patrick Mahomes wins one more Super Bowl. And that is in no way a criticism of Patrick Mahomes. The gap between one and two in life is everything. Like kids. Having one kid is barely parenting. I could golf with my buddies. I can go to Vegas for the weekend.

I mean, they sleep all the time. It's like having a baked potato that occasionally cries. One kid is nothing. Two? Oh, hell. Weekend's done. Boys, don't have any friends. Over.

Can't golf. Can't play. It's over. For like seven years, life's over. It's my theory on DUIs. They're all bad. But if you got one in 30 years, you could say, well, it was a New Year's party. I had an extra glass of wine.

I apologize. It was bad judgment. Two DUIs, you're an alcoholic. It's like if you walked up to a pilot at a party, and he'd been a pilot at United for 40 years. Do you ever have a bad flight? Yeah, I was in a crash. You'd be like, ooh, ooh, 40 years. it mechanical? But if he said, I was in two crashes, you'd be like, oh, I'm never flying with

you. Crazy guy in the cockpit. One to two is massive. Aaron Rogers got to a Super Bowl at 27. Never been back. And if you look at the NFC, I don't think he's getting there anytime soon. The Super Bowls are wildly random. Dan Marino is the best thrower of the football maybe I've ever seen. No Super Bowl wins. Eli Manning's got two. He's the second best Manning quarterback, maybe the third. Archie was underrated. Brad Johnson's got one. Dan Marino has none. I mean, the three guys that have the most, Brady and Montana were drafted in later rounds. Bradshaw got four, but he played with the best defense I've ever seen for a decade. It's who you play with. Free agency and trades now. It's a much more mobile league.

Kansas City could have great players. They just want to play somewhere else. Jacksonville overpays for him or the Raiders overpay for him. The league is much more mobile. There's more trades now. General managers didn't use to trade. They trade all the time now. You'll see individual teams trading six and seven times.

So much of this. I mean, is Lamar Jackson? What if he keeps getting better? Does it look like Kyle Shanahan's teams will get worse? We've got more and more great quarterbacks. What if Trevor Lawrence ends up with Belichick? I think Patrick Mahomes will win multiple personal awards. He may win seven MVP's.

But if he asked me today, Fox Bet says one and a half Super Bowl is going forward, I'd probably bet the under. I think he'll win another one. And he will be a first ballot hall of famer. And there'll be arguments to be made that he's the greatest quarterback of all time. And I'll be right there arguing for him. But so much of Brady's success has been random and luck and getting Belichick and a bad division that can't get it right at quarterback.

Do you know that Tom Brady once played in the same division as Peyton Manning? Then the NFL switched it. Without that break, Tom Brady does not get to nine Super Bowls. He probably doesn't get the three. It's the reality of this sport. It's hard. Best quarterback doesn't mean best record. Doesn't mean best performance.

Doesn't mean you get the best coach. Andy reads 62. Four more years. Has a health scare says, I'm done. And they hire the wrong coach. I mean, who knows? All I know is enjoy the moment. I rarely do.

Kansas City did. It is hard, even if you're Patrick Mahomes to get back. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, as you were just discussing, Patrick Mahomes' 10-year extension will keep him in Kansas City for the next 12 years. And according to Fox Bet, his over-under for regular season MVP's during that time is one and a half and he sits at minus 200.

to go over. And for Super Bowl wins, the over under is also at one and a half, and he's favorite to go over at minus 120. I take the MVP over all day. Yeah, 12 years, I would take the over on that. The Super Bowl thing I'm with you on, I don't think it's that easy to just...

It's random. Now, I do think that they will win another Super Bowl. Oh, absolutely. And by the way, again, if just, now they're very lucky. They've got good ownership, a great GM, a coach who's obviously a Hall of Famer, but in his 60s.

The other thing is, Mahalms moves around. What if their offensive lines deteriorate? He gets banged around a couple times. Like, it's just, the sport is changing so rapidly. We're getting so many good college guys that come in and can play. He could remain the best player in the league for seven to eight more years.

And just through a series of bad breaks and scheduling and an injury and a free agents and a trade. And he just doesn't get back. I mean, let's face it, a coin toss kept him out of a Super Bowl a year ago. A coin toss. There's a lot of factors to it. And that's not, I guess for me, my apprehension with it is I don't feel like putting the expectations of three, two or three or four more Super Bowls is realistic or even fair. And it kind of parkens me back to the Miami Heat big three days.

This is not one, not two, not three. Like, I just get, let's start with one, right? Let's just start with one. Okay. So you have one, right? You are the Super Bowl champions. you just signed the big extension. I think it's perfectly reasonable.

Say you will win another Super Bowl. That's very difficult to do. And then from there, let's just see what happens. We know they're going to be great. We know they're going to be competitive. And this is not negative. I'm not being negative Nancy. I love the Chiefs.

And I predict that they would win last year. And I love Patrick Mahomes. And I'm happy for him. Just don't put unrealistic expectations on the situation. The betting market tells you, fans always bet the over on everything. And that's why Vegas builds big casinos. Because fans overwhelmingly take the over on awards. on yards, on wins, on futures, and the under usually hits.

So Fox bet's like one and a half Super Bowls. And I, and that's that to me, if you'd ask me what the number is, I'd have to put it at one and a half and force the consumer to make the call. But if he wins two more Super Bowls, I don't think there's any question. We will put him in a class of three greatest quarterbacks of all time. Yeah. And I do think they will win two more.

Yeah. But I would like to start with one more. Yeah. And then go from there. It's just a lot of expectations. He also has a Hall of Fame odds. And obviously we assume he's going to stay with Casey for the rest of his career, but there's odds for that too.

So Major League Baseball released their 60 games schedule for the 2020 season last night. The season will kick off opening night on Thursday, July 23rd, which is just a few weeks away. And then Saturday, July 25th, four games will be featured on Fox and FS1, including the Yankees taking on the defending champion nationals. the opening night games are Yankees and nationals and Giants and Dodgers. The Yankees, according to Fox Bet, and the Dodgers are tied as favorites to win the World Series at plus 380. Mike Trout is the favorite to win the AL MVP plus 125.

Aaron Judge is second plus 800. And Mookie Betts is the favorite to win the NL MVP at plus 550. Cody Bellinger is second at plus 650. Well, Mookie Betts, many believe in Mike Trout are the two best players, so we've never seen Mookie Betts in a Dodger uniform. So that in itself is a story. Interesting one. I'm very excited for the season, not just because sports is coming back, but we've been talking now, not a 60 game season, obviously,

but we've been talking for a very long time about how to get urgency back into baseball. This is it. And this is it. Sprint. This is a sprint. Baseball is a marathon. This is a, this is one lap around. Let's go.

It's going to feel like playoff baseball the whole season. Baseball, when the urgency is there, I've said before, if you give me a great playoff baseball game, Yankees playing the Red Sox. And you give me an average NFL regular season game, I'll choose baseball. When baseball gives you urgency, it's fantastic. Because baseball does have a romantic element to the game that when you're watching it and there is urgency and a lot of the line. It does. Exactly.

It feels like you're a part. Like you are a part of history. Yes. And not all sports give you that sense. Like it does have a romantic feel about it. I'm really looking forward to the start. I don't feel any sense of history watching a UFC fight. No, but when you're watching a boxing match, you do feel that.

Absolutely. There's a little romance to it. So finally, Dwight Howard has decided to join the Lakers in Orlando and will compete in the restart later this month. He said his participation in the remainder of the season will not stop him from continuing to work towards racial equality. And he will also donate all of the paychecks he receives in the bubble to his charitable campaign. Breathe again, he was averaging 19.2 minutes per game, 7.5 points per game, 7.5 points per game, 7.4 rebounds per game and 1.5 blocks for game. But this is smart. I'm sorry.

So I'm going to play, but use my platform and my money to give it to charity. This is my argument. You can use your platform as a pro athlete. Use it. This is the best way to do it. I'm going to play, but I'm going to give all my money to causes. He's made $120 million. But this is my argument on use the platform.

I don't buy that you can't simultaneously play and care about the future of the country and your culture. No, I absolutely agree. And look, the money thing, obviously money goes a long way towards any kind of charitable organization that is trying to function. You need money to do things. But the platform usage to me is the bigger part of it. You have to continue to work, right? Like eventually all of us are going to go back to work.

That doesn't mean at any point you should stop trying to make the world a better place. Like you can, you have to actually, not can't. You have to simultaneously do those things because you have to work and make money and, you know, provide for your family and your future. But I do think that this is all. also important for the Lakers to have, you know, as much of their team. Avery Bradley is a huge loss. So having Dwight Howard there, he is, I mean, he has become an essential part of that team. Oh, Dwight Howard, you could argue a comeback player of the year. Yeah, a lot of people were skeptical of this move to begin with. And he's, yeah, I mean, he's completely proven himself to be

extremely valuable to them. And especially in a situation where we don't know how, well, we are assuming depth is going to be very crucial for, for the bubble, having your core there that you were and the Lakers were rolling before the stop. Like, this is huge. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News.

Now, I said I'm really lousy at celebrating success. I'm bad at it. I've gone to therapy. A guy that loves having a good time with success as Nick Wright. The swashbuckler was just in Los Angeles. He looks tanned, ready to go, brought to you by Mercedes. Ben's the best or nothing. So I bring on my friend Nick Wright, a host of First Things First.

Mahalm signs this deal. And this is, you are in heaven. You cannot wipe the smile off your face today. This is amazing for you, right? You're going to party like it's 19, well, whatever, whatever year it is. Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to party, but for my hometown, Kansas City, I think yesterday might have been the greatest sports day ever, greater than either World Series, greater than either Super Bowl,

because unlike your foolish assertion that this is only going to lead to one more, yesterday guaranteed that we're going to have two or three or four more parades in Kansas City. And so, yeah, like, we're not getting ahead of the moment here, Colin. We have people like, oh, will the chiefs be a dynasty? They were, as you mentioned, a coin flip away from already being a dynasty,

a D-Ford off-sides away from already being a dynasty. When I first started coming on with you four years ago, Colin, I kind of made, like, my bit with you was I always threw numbers at you. And I've kind of strayed from that. I want to go back to it. Here are some numbers. Patrick Mahomes has played 36 games in his career. He has had a fourth quarter lead in 34 of them. Patrick Mahomes, FS1, FS1, NUHR, Emmanuel Acho, pointed this out yesterday. It's a brilliant stat. He's never been blown out. He's never lost a pro football game by more than seven points. in the biggest moments, those big wins, only your patron St. Tom Brady, of all players in NFL history, have more double-digit playoff comebacks than Mahomes, and he's only played in five playoff games. How can you think anything other than the Chiefs are going to win a minimum of two, if not three or four, more Super Bowls, now they've locked up the most talented player the league's ever seen for three presidential terms? So, yeah, I'm a lot of you. I'm I'm over the moon on this one, confirm.

Okay, so I said to start my show, companies don't like the word precedent. They don't like to give a big contract here because it means they got to pay there. And I'm like, Howard Stern, Michael Jordan's shoe deal. It's their own market. Patrick Mahomes is doing stuff. I mean, it was bumpy for Peyton Manning, Brady, Bradshaw, Aikman, Fouts. Nobody was great early. I don't think it affects Dax negotiation.

Maybe I'm totally naive here. Does it affect DAC's negotiations? Because I'm reading a story this morning, everybody's like, oh, leverage for DAC. I don't see it. Do you? No, this one I totally agree with you on. And I think it's a cop-out for organizations when they say, we don't want to set a precedent. Well, sometimes the precedent is, if you're the best in the world, you have special rules.

Like this is, to mix metaphors a bit, not to make you feel uncomfortable, But, you know, it's written about in the trades. About every four years, I get the pleasant surprise of reading somewhere about Colin Coward's latest contract negotiations. I've never once read those and been like, hey, agent, call Fox. They've set a new precedent. Because I'm like, oh, probably different rules for us here. So if Dak reads this and he's like, hey, looks like I should have $450 million, well,

maybe you should accomplish one fifth of what, Mahonomon? has accomplished. Like, and no one on the chiefs is going to go, I believe, to management and say, look at what you gave Patrick. Why can't I have it? The answer is because you're not as good, you're not as valuable, you're not as young, you're not as important. Like, stop it. So yeah, I totally agree that for special, special cases, you make exceptions. I used to live in Houston. They had a precedent. They never negotiate with two years left on a contract. You know what they broke that for, JJ Wad. You know why? Because he was the best defensive player in the league three years into his career. So they needed to. That didn't set a precedent for the rest of the team. It was an

exception for an exceptional person. You know, you said something about a year ago. And I thought, oh, Nick, that's a little much. You were like, listen, this guy's a Hall of Fame or Mahomes. And I'm like, he's played an hour. But it is interesting. So two starting years, MVP, Super Bowl, MVP. You get to a point in your life. He's already a Hall of Famer. He's already won, Colin. That's the answer. If he never plays again, he's a Hall of Fame. Do we have, is there a comp? Sandy Kofax, but he played six years. No. Yeah, I mean, Gail Sayers, but no, I don't think there's a comp. But as far as what he's accomplished, if he were to walk away, which obviously he's not, he's already a Hall of Famer. I saw it when,

Joy was talking about the Fox bet odds, one of the questions is, is he going to be in the Hall of Fame? I think it's minus 300. The answer is yes. He doesn't have to do anything else ever, and he's a Hall of Famer. And you can say he hasn't played long enough. At some point, like, there's two ways to make the Hall of Fame. One is to compile excellence over time. The other is for the star to burn so incredibly bright that it's undeniable. He had a near perfect first two seasons in the league. He's played in five playoff games. They've had the lead with a minute left in all five of them. And so, yeah, it's not will he be a Hall of Famer? I think the more interesting question is, if he decided to retire today, would he be a Hall of Famer? And my answer to that is unequivocally, absolutely yes.

Now, I'm going to ask you to do something. You're going to get very uncomfortable. Is there anything? Now, we know an injury could derail it. So let's just take out injuries. And by the way, I can't even think of a quarterback off the top of my head that was an all-time great got hurt in his career ending. So, you know, quarterbacks can, even if he had a bad knee, he'd get through games and play. Is there anything, though, that you just a little tinge of, I mean, let me throw one at you.

Andy Reid retires, and they make a lousy choice. That's it. So you nailed it. That is the, because it's not the NBA where you can overcome horrible coaching. Now, Mahomes obviously is in a great spot. He has a Hall of Fame coach. He has a future Hall of Fame tidings. He's got a great receiver.

I don't think he needs all of those things to succeed. But in the NFL, I don't know, well, we just saw it. And obviously, Baker's not Mahomes. but you can't overcome Freddie Kitchens, right? And so if Andy Reed were 66 instead of 62, maybe the chiefs could say to Eric Bienemy, we will name you head coach in waiting right now. It'll be a maximum of three years, stick with us,

and then you get Mahomes through his prime. But because Reed's 62, and you think there's, I don't think BNemi is going to sit around for five, six, seven years. Now, when Andy Reid does retire, it becomes the most sought after coaching job maybe ever in the NFL since Jim Mora was fired in Indy and they brought in Tony Dungey, I guess would be the precedent for that because Peyton Manning was there and we already knew he was great. But so they don't have to hire Andy Reid 2.0. But if they butcher it, then you are squandering a couple three years of the prime. And let me ask, can I ask you a question, Colin? Sure, sure. Because I just mentioned Peyton Manning and it made me think of something.

Right now, if you were a Chiefs fan, would you sign up if you could get Peyton Manning's exact career, full career of both teams, meaning five MVP's, four Super Bowl appearances, two victories. Now, keep mind, he already has one MVP and one Super Bowl championship. So, or would you roll the dice and say, I want to see what comes? Because I want to, I as a Chiefs fan, I would roll the dice. I would say, I don't want to be locked in that floor or ceiling. I want to roll the dice. But would you take the Peyton Manning career? It's a really good question.

The one thing Mahomes has is the best play designer in the NFL currently. Andy Reid, Peyton didn't have that, and the rules of all changed. So I would probably roll the dice and go Mahomes. Now, I say that the one. thing is those two Super Bowls, and I think that's amazing. If he could get three total, we're going to be saying he's the best quarterback of all time. He, Brady, Montana, best three. But I will say the rule changes and Andy Reed, we've had, we're going to see multiple 45 to 50 touchdown years.

That's not the league, Peyton Manning played in. It's just not the league. So you can make the argument, you'd roll the dice and take Mahomes. And until we see that there's another quarterback in the AFC West. Like you, I think you said it. One of the great things ever happened to Brady was Manning was in his division for a year and then the NFL realligned. And so Brady could always have the home playoff game, always win that division. I know, you know, some people believe in Drew Locke.

I don't. Derek Carr, we know what he is. We'll see what Justin Herbert is. I wasn't overly impressed with him at college. But until you, like if he were in the same division as Lamar or the, The same division as Deshawn. Right. That changes the math a bit.

But right now, he's the only known quantity in his division, which is a huge asset for him. Yeah, and here's another one, Andrew Luck retired. And it looks like Indy's got a really good GM and a really good coach. Andrew Luck's out. Hey, Brady got some breaks in this stuff. We can't deny that. Tom got some breaks. And, I mean, Mahomes, Andrew Luck retiring helped Lamar.

It helped Deshaun. It helped a lot of people because they got a great GM who's, was going to put great players around Andrew Luck for a decade. All right. I've never seen him happier. Nick Wright is literally living the American dream. He's just scheduling days off for parades at this point going forward. It's great.

Yeah, I'm going to have to get more wall space for the future championship newspapers behind me. That's the only concern I have right now. Good seeing you, buddy. See you, man. All right, Nick Wright. Coming up next, I'll tell you why this contract got signed beyond the town. talent thing. Beyond the talent thing. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Those are the two, in my opinion, the two best quarterbacks in the NFL are Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson. They were baseball stars. But football gives you a free scholarship. So when you're a young man, you're 18 years old. Football's like, here, come play here. Full ride. College baseball does not.

So the system of baseball is losing great talent. Mahomes should have been a baseball player. His dad was a major league baseball player. You watch Mahomes throw, you've seen his arm, 6'3. He's a major league baseball player. But football's free. The football system is better than the baseball system. Also, travel baseball is very expensive for perhaps,

let's say it's a single mom. It's $2,500,500 per kid per summer. Who can afford that? Football's not. Amateur football is very, you know, the seven-on-seven stuff and the elite 11 stuff. The system of football, this is why the greatest athletes in America

are often playing basketball and football. The system's better. Baseball would die for Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes. And let me talk about that. Those are the only two guys I would give tenure contracts to. Now, I do realize that Russell Wilson, would be in his 40s for a 10-year deal. But my takeaway is you watch Russell Wilson work out, take care of his body.

He's like LeBron. He's going to age real well. Russell's going to age real well. But these are the two guys that give a 10-year contract to. Lamar Jackson win a playoff game. Aaron Rogers, too old. Deshawn Wants, two ACLs. Carson Wentz, injury prone.

He is. I love him. He's injury prone. But it's not just about talent. So it starts with talent. You've got to have talent for me to give you a tenure contract. But the reason I would give Russell, and Patrick Mahomes that deal. And the reason Patrick got this deal yesterday after talent was

maturity. You can trust Russell Wilson if you give him a 10-year deal. You can trust Patrick Mahomes. There'll be no 3 a.m. phone calls, no embarrassing the franchise. You know when you drive to the when Andy Reid pulls into the facility at 5.50 in the morning, Mahomes is going to be there for a decade. I get a lot of heat because I ripped Johnny Mansell. I ripped. I ripped. James Winston, I ripped a little cam, I ripped Baker Mayfield out of college for their maturity. Why? Because it follows you. Immature 16-year-old is not mature 22-year-old. And these franchises in the NFL don't have time for you to grow up. I'm not saying it's your fault. You could have a bad home life, immature dad, whatever. But you're going to be a grown-up. I'm not giving you the key

to a franchise if you're not a grown-up. That's why I rip Baker, Rip Mansell, Rip James. All those immaturity issues to have just followed them and their judgment is poor in the NFL. This contract's not just about a guy who can throw without looking, not a guy that can throw left-handed. It's about they trust

Patrick Mahomes. That they can give him a 10-year contract and they know he's good. You're not going to end up in videos we regret. Not going to say anything on Twitter we regret. He's a good kid. Black Lives Matter, stood up, right stuff. That is a huge component to this.

is why I will continue to rip college prospects who I think aren't mature. One of the great things about the NFL right now, I think Joy and I've talked about this, I can't think, I mean, Baker Mayfield's my pushback as a starter. James is no longer a starter. It is remarkable how mature all of the star quarterbacks are. It's incredible. There's not a bad kid out there. And that matters.

Like whenever people push back on that, well, what does it matter what a guy doesn't college. Oh, you never had a big job, have you? You're just telling me you've never had a big boy job. Because to get a big boy job, it's not just about your talent. The company has to trust you won't be an idiot on Twitter. You won't be an idiot with a couple beers in you. You won't be an idiot in the offseason that they can build the $4 billion franchise. The Hunt family can go, let's go. Same with Carson Wentz. He may have injury issues, but they're like, this kid's all in. This kid cares about football. That's why the GMs poke you and prod you about your childhood and your parents and what do you do and how do you act. Never believe anybody in the American sports media.

Never believe anybody that tells you it doesn't matter. These are $5 billion franchises. You give Mahomes this deal because you trust him. I mean, every parent listening to me, every parent listening to me that has multiple kids, be honest about this. There's always one kid you try. trust with the money. If your kids are all going out for ice cream and a movie tonight, there's one, it's the 14-year-old girl. You're like, okay, let's give Janice the money. We trust her with the money. And not all your kids you trust with money. Not all your kids you trust

with the keys of the car. Yeah, and you love them. And they're great kids. But there's always that one kid. You're like, yeah, we trust her with the money. You trust Mahomes with the money, with the deal, with the contract, with the responsibility, with the games. being the face of the franchise, you trust him in the offseason, you trust him getting to the facility, you trust him not embarrassing the franchise. It's not just about talent. Wilson Mahomes, that's it. Ten years. That is it. Our two, Terry Bradshaw, Michael Vic, two, and hour three, live in L.A. It's the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd

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in live in Los Angeles. This is the herd. Wherever you may be in, however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. You know, I was just thinking about this, Joy. One of the great things the NFL has going for it is that small towns are well represented. Sometimes in the NBA, it feels like there's glamour markets.

You can't compete with L.A. I mean, L.A. now is for the top seven players in the league, right? You know, like the Memphis's or the Portland's kind of always feel like we can't get the free agents. And in baseball, there's no salary cap, so guess who's favored this year? The Yankees. You know, the Pittsburghs, the Oaklands, the Tampa Bayes can't compete. But in the NFL, Green Bay is a legendary top five franchise.

The Saints may have the best roster in the NFL along with Baltimore, two small markets. And now the best player in the league plays in little old Kansas City known for Barbecue and now Patrick Mahomes. This is a real strength of the NFL. their system is excellent. They don't give too much power to the player. The NBA tends to give too much power to players. Then players say, let's group together and go play for a team.

That makes a third of the league feel irrelevant. Nobody feels irrelevant in the NFL. Kansas City, small market, awesome. Baltimore, small market, New Orleans, small market. Seattle, geographically isolated. Green Bay. Buffalo now, I think, is the best team in their division. Look at all the success stories in the NFL right now.

They're small markets. They're cold markets. They're bad weather markets. They're not glamorous. They're not rich. The New York franchises, a mess. Well, the way that the NFL is set up, it naturally rewards well-run organizations that draft well and take care of their players and pay the right players at the right time and manage the team correctly.

It's really a well-run league. Baseball's great, but with no salary cap, it really eliminates half the teams. Now, that doesn't mean the Chicago. New York's, New York's, the Dodgers, aren't fascinating, Houston, but those are big cities with a lot of revenue and a lot of game day revenue. And in the NBA, and I've always said this, it's always been a players league. But you've got to be careful because players are human and they're young. You don't want 24-year-olds running your league.

The NFL gives players a lot of money, but it is controlled by the capital, the GM, the coach, and players who are great, always get paid. They always get opportunities. Nobody's being denied opportunities in 2020 in the NFL. If you're great, you're going to make a ton of money. Quarterbacks are now going to be the highest paid people in the world. Soccer stars and quarterbacks will be. But it's okay for a business to have more power than the employees.

That's okay too. NBA is different. But I just think it's so great for the NFL, the Baltimore, the New Orleans, the Buffalo, the Green Bay, the Kansas City. If Andrew Luck doesn't retire, you could literally have Indie, Kansas City, and Baltimore run the AFC. Small markets. That is a huge component.

The other thing I wanted to talk about, Terry Bradshaw is going to be on a couple minutes, is generally speaking, I'm glad Patrick Mahomes took this. Now, the rule in business in America, if you're talented, sign short contracts, come back on the market as much as you can. That's the general rule. But I'm going to get Patrick Mahomes decided I'm not going to do that. Now, generally, generally, that's not what you do. But two things here for Patrick Mahomes, I think he's smart.

Number one is he took the money discussion off the damn table. God, if I have to talk about Dax's contract one more time, it makes me not like the Cowboys or Dack. I'm over both. He just took it off the table. 5,000 questions, all gone. It's all football. Okay, so that's the first thing.

He just took it off the table. Like Philadelphiaated with Carson Wentz. Just off the table. Don't have to talk about it anymore. Worry about our stuff. The second thing is sometimes you hit the lottery. There's not many jobs like this in America, but there's a few where you can't upgrade.

For a young quarterback getting Andy Reed, not much of an upgrade out there. Duke basketball. Mike Shishchevsky signed a 10-year contract. He doesn't want to coach the NBA. There is no better college job than Duke. You just sign a tenure contract. Just go with it.

Kansas, Carolina, what's it matter? If you don't want to coach in the NBA, Duke is the best college job, certainly in the conversation. For comedians. The rule was always for American comedians. You're always looking for the next gig. until you become Carson, Letterman, Stephen Colbert, and you get the late-night show,

that's your final job. You just stay with that one until, you're like, all right, I'm 58, 68, I'm retiring. There's not many jobs like that. Duke basketball, you know, comedian getting a late-night show, a Colbert show, or Jimmy Fallon show, you can't upgrade. That's really as good as it gets. And I look at Patrick Mahomes with Andy Reed, and I'm like, and not a lot of, and Brett Veets, the GM and the Hunt family,

just sign the contract. And the other thing is, we don't care what quarterbacks make. It doesn't matter. I mean, Eli Manning has the most career earnings ever for an NFL player. I don't think more of him. Tom Brady took pay cuts for 10 years. I don't think less of him. This is going to have no real effect.

It's not going to, if he makes a little less money, he's not going to be saying, I can't afford blank home. blank car. I didn't take care of my parents. The bottom line is, and I say this, once you get to a certain number with this stuff, it's about winning for these guys. Terry Bradshaw is who he is, not because of his contract, because of the winning thing. Tom Brady's not the most talented quarterback. Eli's the second most talented quarterback in his family. Some would argue the third, Archie Manning was underrated. It's about Ws. It's about wins. If you're trying to fight for every last morsel. I, you know, it's funny about this. So, you know how people play the lottery?

And I'll buy a ticket, you know, occasionally. The rule of thumb is always take the lump sum. But when you take the lump sum, here's the two problems. Number one, what if you take the lump sum and we have a recession and the market crashes for two years? So you take the lump sum, you get less money than if you take payments for the next 30 years. So you're taking less money to begin with, and what if you take it, you put it in the bank, and the banks collapse or the market collapses? Or you can do it the other way, the Patrick Mahomes way. Just give me a lot of money for the next 30 years. I don't have to talk about money. I don't have to worry about money. I don't have to worry about the stock market. You give me a blankety-blank money for a bunch of years,

and it just takes the stress off my life. I'm never going to win Powerball, but I've thought about this before. I just don't want the stress of having to, if you get $400 million, or I could get 800 million over 25 years, I just never have to worry about it. I could screw up in the stock market. I could buy a bad home. I could make terrible business decisions every year for 40 years. And in the end, I get another 15 million in the last year. So to me, the stress that he got out of by taking the money, just don't have to talk about money anymore.

He's set for life. His family set for life. I love it. With that, Hall of Famer, four Super Bowls, MVP and two of them. He wasn't paid nearly as much as Patrick Mahomes, but he made a lot of dough. Terry Bradshaw joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. So I don't mean to pry into your business, Terry. Okay, don't.

But you made, I remember, you signed some big fat contracts, Terry Bradshaw. Did it put a little pressure on you once you saw those checks? Well, no. My football contract, the most money I ever made was $300,000. And back then you were paying 50 cents. to that to the government. So added up, you know, everything I had, I had to borrow money. I even mortgage my NFL contract to buy a ranch and a tractor and a, and a cutter to cut

to cut hay. So it was all relative. And this is pretty interesting what's come down with the small things. I'm happy for him. That's good for him. Or as I say, good on you, mate. Yeah, you know, I was thinking, Terry, I like the idea that he just took the money discussion off the table. And there's part of me that thinks, you know what, I'm so tired of Dak and the Cowboys, I'm over both of them.

If you knew you could get the money thing done for 10 years, and maybe you make a little less, Terry. But you just took the damn discussion off the table. Couldn't I argue it's better for you? It's just, it's easier on the mind? You can, absolutely. I would agree with what you're saying, and I agree with what you're saying. what he did. Ten years at $40 million, $150,000. He's got an injury clause at $150. I don't know all the specifics. That is a ton of money. And I just left his hometown yesterday, Tyler, Texas,

where his mama's still working. His dad is still a custonian. I'm sure he'll, you know, he'll take care of them. I hope so. It's a good young man and good things happened to him. But he did the right thing. Forty million bucks. So what? So somebody makes 45 or 50. $40 million, $40 million, $40 million, pay your taxes, put it in some banks, invests in markets, do some safe things, buy land, whatever. God bless him. That is, I'm happy for him, and I think he did a really smart thing. And Colin, forget this.

Well, Dak's going to try to get 40. Dax will not work 40, all right, forget that. But, if he'll just stay and play off the coat tail of the average, he'll make 35 a year for the next three or four years just sitting there doing whatever, you know, but you start winning and you move that needle

and this Mahomes kid, he moves the needle. I had a buckskin baby born on my ranch this year. Most incredible baby I ever had. You know, we named it. Mahomes. Yeah, he is special. It's a special baby, and this guy's a special talent.

And good for him. I'm really happy for him. You know, it's interesting that the coaching dynamic, Brady and Belichick worked forever, but they got tired of each other in the end. You and Noel got four Super Bowls. You probably wore each other out in the end. I get it. It's the reality of it.

Andy Reed, how much of Andy Reed is Mahom's success? Because I think he almost hit the lottery when you get Andy Reid. Well, Andy Reid is very quarterback friendly, very smart. and he is a product of West Coast offense, which for our listeners, our viewers out there, was an offense that was driven off of a triangle to the strong side, tight inside. To get rid of the ball quick, one, two, three, one, two, three.

If the flats open, take it. If he's not, go to the second, go to the third. It's all right there. And then the back side is the mirror image of the front side. Give rid of the ball. And you could take a Joe Montana at 6 to, say, you know, 205. You can take a Kenny Anderson in Cincinnati, a Brian Seipp, a little guy in Cleveland, just throwing it like nobody had ever seen. So this offense is so good.

I love this West Coast offense. And it's perfect for Mahon's because Andy just made it a little deeper. He just made the fastest a little deeper. Then you take into the consideration how talented this kid is, moving out of the pocket, feeling the pressure, all the God-given traits that, you know, very few people have that play that position. and it's just perfect. Andy is the perfect quarterback coach. He's a guy that is always going to pick you up. He's not going to scream and holler at you and beat you up

and make you feel bad and make you get nervous looking over your shoulder. He's always going to embrace and love you up. And he's so smart offensively. Perfect match these two. You know, it's a salary cap sport. And the good news is Andy Reid, a lot of his best players on offense, he got in the third, fourth, and fifth round. He makes everybody.

Right. He makes it. But it is interesting that, you know, I can make the argument. The less you take, the more wins you get. Or is that unfair to a pro athlete? To ask a pro athlete, take less to win more. Because people are saying Mahomes deal is not great for Mahomes. It's great for the Chiefs.

But I would argue what's great for Mahomes is winning games, right? Hey, let me ask you something. I've never had a soul ever, ever asked me. Hey, Bradshaw, how much money did you make? Hey, Bradshaw, how many yards did you throw for? Hey, Bradshaw, how many touchdown passes did you throw for? They always wonder what? Show me the rings.

That is what this is about. And if you give up a little money, a little, tell the people out there right now that are going through this pandemic that are worried about being able to buy a loaf of bread or some milk for their kids and see this $40 million. Tell them about this and see how they feel. Patrick understand. This is a lot of money. And how much is enough? Do you have to be the highest paid? No. But if you save a little, that's why I admire Tom Brady, Colin. Brady could have had the ego like, well, our boy down in New Orleans. He wanted to be the highest paid. You got the guy in India. You had Peyton highest paid. That's important to them. And that's fine. That's good if that's what they need. But Brady knew winning, winning championships. And if he had to give up five or six million, so what?

Look at, got six world titles, six. That's pretty impressive. That's why I appreciate and respect Tom Brady so much. And this Mahomes kid reminds me so much of Tom Brady. You know, Patrick Mahomes is one of those guys. Everybody says he has talent. I want you to go back, Terry, to the first time you saw him play. Was it obvious for you?

Because Andy Reid admits, Andy's like, listen, I had the GM kept telling me, You got to take him. And he's like, I watched them, and I'm like, and he's like he's a little loose back there. I'm not sure. Go back to the first time you saw Mahomes. What did Terry Bradshaw see? I saw him at Texas Tech. And he, to me, was just another Texas Tech quarterback.

Just another guy in that offense that just throws it 50 times a game. And all those quarterbacks coming out of that offense are so protected by that offensive structure that they're going. going to the NFL and they're totally lost. So I gave him no thought. And then he was drafted and I thought, oh, my God, here, another, another Texas Tech quarterback. And then he got the play at the end of his rookie year, three or four games. And I saw just a little bit of him. I was like, hey, you know, hey, this kid's got some instinct.

And then the following year, they moved Smith. man alive. I never saw this Colin. If that's what you're asking me, I never saw this coming. I never saw this ability. I never saw this talent. I never saw the imaginary that he has. I never saw any of this. So I'm

Andy Reid. I'm going, come on man. You sure about this? You know? So everybody passed on him. Now everybody's going, well, you know, we were going to take him and so here we go. Here we go. I wanted him. I liked him. But they wouldn't let me get him.

No, listen. Hey, he's one of those guys. It's like a racehorse. Who in the world can buy a racehorse and say he's going to win the triple crown? He's got all the bloodlines. If that's the case, everybody, everyone from the Arab nation, all those owners, those sheikhs, they win every race. I got more money than anybody.

You cannot see inside of a man's skin. You don't know what's in that heart. You don't know what boils him, what excites him. how he loves the big moment, how cool in common he is. Maybe you just can't see all of that. I didn't see it for sure. Yeah, let's go back to again, Terry. As I've told you before, I imitated you.

I was a quarterback in high school. I was terrible. But I used to, you actually. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So you imitated me? Well, I used to throw, I threw the ball like you. Okay, I tried to. That's bad.

That's bad. Because Terry would put his hand on the finger of the ball, on the top of the ball. That's worth the way. Exactly. And coaches were like, that's not how you throw football. And I'm like, that's how Terry Bradshaw throws it. But here's what's interesting.

So go back to your career. So you get some money and you get some fame and you're the Pittsburgh Steelers and it's sort of a defensive team. And you know, you want to feel yourself a little bit. I do wonder, I do wonder if Mahomes, now he's going to be this iconic star in America for the next 20 years. If he feels he has to top himself. which I think is a dangerous thing to do. Did you ever after your Super Bowls think I got to top Terry? Because when you're great, the expectations, Terry, the contract.

Yeah. Do you worry about it? Never, mine was never money-based. Oh, I've got to play better. I just got a big bonus or something. Mine was always based off of winning. Oh, my God. Played the Browns last year.

We'd beat him twice. We'd beat him twice seven years in a row. Oh, we got the Raiders on the schedule. How am I going to, that's how I put pressure on myself. I've got to, got to beat the Raiders. I've got, oh, we've got the, we've got the Cowboys. You know, they're hard to beat. And that's all it consumed me when the schedule came out.

I already knew the division games was, you know, winning. How am I going to win those games? So the pressure was not ever on money because they never had any. My thing was Super Bowl. I'll tell you the one time, I won't admit this. We played the Super Bowl 13 that year, whatever that was. 79 or 80. I'm not sure.

879 maybe. And I was the MVP in the league. And I just couldn't do anything wrong, Colin. I was in a lot of athletes call the zone. I just could do no wrong. God just said, hey, you hillbilly, we're going to, I'm going to give you a great year. And don't screw it up, all right?

And so I go into the playoff games. My first pass against the Houston Oilers intercepted for a touchdown. I just walked over to the sideline, didn't give it any thought. And then went back out and we won the football game. And playoff games, Buffalo, just lit the place up, just by accident, really. Got to the Super Bowl and all of a sudden, you know, everybody, Bradshaw, we got to stop Bradshaw. And I'm like, you know, I'm reading the papers and I'm going, why are you got to stop me?

What did I do? Leave me alone. I'm just out here trying to do the best job. But it got into my head. I'm not kidding you now. I got to thinking, boy, I'm the MVP of the league. Golly, boy, I can't let people down. God, what if I play a horrible game?

What if I, you know, it did, Colin. It got in my head. And then Thomas Hollywood Henderson, you can't spell catch bottom C and the T and everything. We've got to stop Bradshaw. And I'm like, wow, what about, you know, I created a monster of my sense. sell.

And after a rough start and the third, both 13 came back and played well. So you forget about that once you start playing. But it did get into my head that, yeah, boy, there's a lot of pressure on me. Everybody is expecting me to win this game. Yeah. Play like an MVP.

Yeah. And it did get to me. But it was never, it was never, boy, if I have a great year, I'll make another $25,000. Hey, Colin, you'll love this. I get selected to the Pro Bowl. I threw for 1,800 yards and 15 touchdown passes. And we win Super Bowl 10, and I get knocked out.

And I'm waking up the next morning. I'm on the sidewalk waiting for the bus. All the players are loading up. I'm flying home with my mom and dad, then going to New Orleans for the Pro Bowl. And Dan Rooney said, you're not going to the Pro Bowl. And I said, what do you mean? I'm not going to the Pro Bowl. He says, you're not going to the Pro Bowl coming off that concussion.

He said, you don't even remember walking off the field. I said, but I'll be fine in a week. In a week. And he said, no, you're not going. We've already told the league you're not going. And I said, but I get a $25,000 bonus. And I didn't get the money. I needed that $25,500. Yeah. Oh, sad. Yeah. Here we are talking about 40 million.

Everybody's going, well, he shouldn't have signed out. He can look at all the money. He left on the table, $40 million. Oh, my God. No. By the way. I sure could use it. Yeah.

You're in your study right now. Are you in Oklahoma? Yeah, I am. So is, and how many heads of cattle you got out there on the ranch? I just sold 102 head to Richard Angus. I've got 75 Brangus and Gray Brahma and rest of Brama there. They'll go to the market in October, and that'll be it on all. I would have moved all my cattle.

But I've been buying a lot of horses. I was in Tyler's at my home's place yesterday over to Steve Ferguson's place. He had a couple of great brood marriage, and I went and bought them. And horses are available right now because people are trying to get rid of them. And so I've been finding great buys. I got a guy coming in from South Dakota at 6 o'clock tonight. bringing five heads of great horses. People are unloading them.

And I don't know if I'm, I just told my trainer, I said, I don't know if I'm stupid or if I'm the smartest guy in the world, but everybody's wanting to get rid of them. I'm getting them, you know, relatively cheap for what their value really is. And so, yeah, and we're right now, we're in between filming the Bradshaw bunch. So this is a break. I get to come in here and talk to you. It's great. See, I don't talk about horse buying with any other guests, so that was a very rare opportunity.

you're the only guy I talk horses with and Joey and I are like well this is a different conversation I never talked about buying horses with any of my guess before okay well it's nice to show you have you know

versatility with your program yeah you know that's why I call you cowhead and cowherds right there now you know I'm bringing it into my world I'm ready to get back to some football I'm everybody keeps asking

me calling about football and I don't I don't have any more answers for right now. Crossing my fingers. I know, brother. I hear you. I hear you. Yeah.

Well, good talking to you. Hey, nice talking to you. Thanks for letting me come on your show. Yeah. Very popular. I enjoy your show a lot. Yeah. People in America, people America love it.

It's a very popular show. Your show? Yeah. It's the most popular show ever. You're my favorite host. No kidding. You really are. All right.

You're a great guy. you're talented and you're smart and whatever i enjoy that all right i enjoy listening to you you're red aren't you your face is getting red let's go all right go buy some more horses all right all right have me back on you know i got nothing to do okay Terry Bradshaw hall of famer and our friend love having him on all right I got to take a break don't I all right I got to take a break I got to take a commercial break Terry starts rambling and talking about horse selling and I get lost where I'm at I take a break is the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeart radio app.

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This is the. The herd line news. Well, the Cam Newton signing with New England news, turned a lot of heads, but former Patriot Ross Tucker is not convinced that Cam is a lock to be the starter. In an article for The Athletic, he said Cam's recent injuries and the Panthers' willingness to let him go leads to concerns that he might not be the player he once was. Cam will be playing catch-up in the Patriot's offense, and Bill Belichick tends to look farther into the future than just next season, which gives younger, cheaper, Jared Stidham,

an advantage of their close in competition and plenty of big name players have gone to England or New England later in their careers and have things end unceremoniously. And another former patriot, Rob Ninkovich, also thinks that Cam has to earn the starting spot and may even

start the season as the third string quarterback. Well, he's not going to get all the snaps, which is a huge disadvantage when you just arrive in July. Yes. So I will say, it's not going to be easy. I mean, he's not, this is not Cam's getting all the snaps like, This is like, Jared's going to get half.

I don't think it's going to be, I don't think it's going to be easy. I think that we should probably temper expectations a little bit. But let's be serious for like five seconds, okay? Cam Newton is a former league MVP. Jared Sidham has played in like eight snaps in the league. Yeah, you'll figure out the difference in about two. Five seconds. Yeah, I mean, you'll have a couple of friends.

The question is, I don't know the offensive system. I would imagine like everything Belichick does, it's complicated, meaning more time better. And this is the strangest year of my life. Yes, but let's just calm down for five seconds, okay? We're talking about Cam Newton, who is in what, his ninth year in the league, a former MVP played in a Super Bowl, and he's not going to be able to pick up the system. What exactly are you saying? Now, if you're talking about he's not going to be the Cam Newton of his MVP year,

sure, who is expected? that. We're excited that Cam Newton has an opportunity and I'm very interested to see how it goes in New England. But Cam Newton is still starting quarterback in the league regardless of whatever regression has been caused by these injuries. The idea that he's competing with Jared Sittem for the starting position is a low-key disrespectful. And the idea that he's not going to be going to be able to understand the system in New England is also insane. Is he going to be able to pick it up instantly? Is it going to be flawless and seamless? Probably not. No, but I mean even Brady acknowledged like they game managed Tom for about four years

because the system is really demanding. So, I mean, Brady, after the Atlanta Super Bowl, Brady was like, I've seen everything now. I just think, I think it's hard. And I don't think no OTAs. He won't get all the snaps. Reduced, truncated preseason. I wouldn't be shocked if the first two to three starts.

They're like, listen, we're not going to just say, hey, Cam, Carius. Like, they want to know. He has no timing with any of these players. He's on a one-year deal anyway. Nobody thinks that this is the, unless he goes out there and has an incredible, unbelievable season, and then they sign him to another contract. That's a different situation. This is, we're all looking at this as a temporary situation for the Patriots anyway.

But the idea that he should start as the third string quarterback and earn the starting position or that he's not going to, he's forgotten how to play football. Like, it's not a completely different language. It's a different system, which will be a challenge, yes, but he's still a quarterback who has nine years. experience playing in the NFL? Like, what are we talking about here? No disrespect to Jared Siddham, but I mean, come on. Is this a real conversation? I think not starting early is a real conversation. I don't think it's going to take a lot of practices because I don't buy into Stidham. But New England's going to be very much about defense this year because they've drafted a lot of defense last three years and they don't have dynamic skill players. So they're

not blowing people out. They have to beat Baltimore, Kansas City in low-scoring games. So I think there are going to be a team that's going to be heavy on details, no turnovers, risk averse. And so I think you can make an argument that for the first couple of weeks, Stidham very much fits the risk averse, listens to Bill, knows what he's getting, very vanilla offense. Cam's never vanilla offense. He's also played in like eight snaps in his football career.

And Cam Newton has nine years experience. So maybe for the first couple weeks of practice, but Cam Newton is going to be the start of week one in New England. So there's been a lot of reaction across the league to Patrick Mahomes' 10-year contract extension. Teammate Sammy Watkins is certainly excited for him, tweeting, if it's anybody in the world that deserves that much money, it's my homie. Blessings to him and his family. Seriously, good, humble dude, low maintenance, all about football and winning. Tyron Matthews said my locker is across from the highest player in league history.

God just keeps blessing me. Jamal Adams posted a picture of his signed Mahomes jersey with the note what's understood doesn't need to be explained. Hashtag Ferrari. and Josh McCown had a little fun with the news tweeting. Is this better than a one-year deal with 10 teams? Yeah, Mahomes is the kind of guy. Nobody, there are players that get paid. There are people that get paid, and there's a little resentment in industries.

Yeah, come on, I can name a few of those. Mahomes is not one of those dudes. Like, nobody resents this. Everybody's like, yeah, pay the man. Yeah, usually when somebody gets, I mean, really, unless it's an expected thing, whoever the next, like, biggest contract is, people are critical of it. Right. It's just in our nature, we have to pick things apart.

I really didn't see any negative pushback to this at all. I'm trying to think almost Garoppolo contract, golf contract, Wendt's contract. They all got heat. Even Russell Wilson was like, yeah, 35 million. They can't, like every contract gets a man Ryan, Stafford. Whatever happens with DAC, people are going to have a problem with either way. This is the, oh, yeah, this is the. obvious. This is the no pushback deal.

This is LeBron getting the max. It's like, yeah, of course. You'd pay LeBron 50 million if there was no salary cap. Like in the end, this is a But also there's an element to you know, talking about other people's pockets and like we're exhausted with the DAC

conversation. We both wanted to get paid. But it just, when you're talking about money and it's a salary cap and it's like, what is he worth this or that and how does it all play out? It just, it doesn't, it's not really like a fun conversation to have because you do want people to make money. But when you're in a salary cap situation,

it's hard to have those conversations without sounding negative about what that person deserves. But this is just one of those situations where we all knew he was going to get paid. This is just a really, not unprecedented in the contract, but the fact that we won't have to talk about money,

like Terry Bradshaw just said, not having to talk about money. Like, this is, now we're going to just focus on football. It's amazing. It's amazing how many... It's not going to change your lifestyle to have to be the highest paid player every single time.

Some of the people in the media, I'm reading some of these sports writers and some of these NFL guys and they're criticizing the deal like he didn't get enough money. It's like, folks, you've never made any. Like, you get to $40 million a year, 42. Just get, he just got rid of the country. It's not going to change your life's out.

Yeah, just like, he got it off the table. He didn't have to talk about it anymore. There's more stress. Two million to $25 million is going to change your lives out. 40 to $42 is not. And if it's going to take stress off your life, do it. So finally, J.R. Smith played with LeBron

in four straight finals in Cleveland. So he has plenty of experience dealing with LeBron. in high pressure situations and being yelled at by LeBron in high pressure situations. And he says that familiarity is something he can use to help him transition onto his new team so late in the season. He said, I know

how Braun can get pissed and people are not going to know how to deal with it. So that gives a gap of understanding. Obviously, he does everything he wants to do to win and everything else. It kind of comes off in the wrong way sometimes and you need that bridge as a player to be posted next to the next player. Like, hey, look, man, it's nothing personal.

Yeah, and I was talking to somebody who knows LeBron pretty well. J.R. and LeBron have a certain comfort with each other. And frankly, J.R. is a big athlete. Like, you think guard. He's like 6-6. He's a big, strong athlete. And he's also a tough guy. Like, in playoff basketball, like J.R.'s a tough guy. He can handle the, you know, he can handle it. LeBron likes guys. LeBron likes veterans. LeBron didn't like any of those young Lakers. I'm still not sure he likes Kuzma. LeBron likes dudes who have been around the league for a while and get the league. J.R. gets the league. J.R. has his reputation. And obviously, we know what happened in game one in the finals, which was, you know, a disaster.

And LeBron, you know, he's dribbling the ball out, all of that. But familiarity with LeBron is important. And again, depth is going to be crucial in this bubble situation because we don't know what's going to happen with injuries or with COVID. It's going to be completely unpredictable. And having someone like J.R. that he is very familiar with is going to be huge. Absolutely. Enjoy with the news.

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On top of what you already save, got to switch by October 7th, though. Visit geico.com to learn more. So here's the first ridiculous column on Patrick Mahomes' new contract. Quote, Bleacher report, Patrick Mahomes' new contract positions him to be the next Michael Jordan. No, it doesn't. The bar is so high for Michael Jordan that LeBron's the greatest basketball player in 20 years, he still plays in his shadow. The documentary Michael was on.

You know, the guy that retired 20 years ago, broke every documentary record in the history of ESPN, like by seven times. Michael made the NBA global. The NFL's not global. It's domestic. We watch our college teams, and then our college players go play in the NFL.

Michael made the NBA global. Mike was like Ali or Pele. He was a global. fascination. Okay, football means something totally different in Europe than it does here. Michael Jordan retired 20 years ago. He still made $100 million more than LeBron James did last year on his shoe deal. That's not going to be Patrick Mahomes.

He'll never have that kind of shoe deal. I don't care about his shoes. I'll never wear Patrick Mahom's shoes. That's just not the way the NFL works. Sometimes it's just circumstance. Okay. So Brooks Kepka is a great golfer. He can win 12 more majors.

he'd never be Tiger. He would never be Tiger. Tiger was different. Circumstance. Timing. Race. Dominance. There's never going to be a tiger.

Ever. There'll never be another Tiger Woods. It's not just the game. It was iconic. He was unique. It was the temper. It was the controversy. He would throw a club.

He would swear. It was the red shirt. It was his dad. It was everything. Michael Jordan was everything. He was the best looking, the most glamorous, the most stylish, the best, with the best coach and the best running mate, and the controversy, and the piston stuff. He was the face of America. He was on the dream team.

We sent the dream team to the Olympics to get basketball back to America. We own football, right? Like, we don't have to send teams to different countries to get it back. We sent Michael over to Spain because we had to win the Olympics back. Michael was not only advertiser friendly. Now, Mahomes was just on a state farm commercial with another quarterback, Aaron Rogers.

Michael was the face of McDonald's and Chevy and Gatorade and Nike and Haynes and everything. He was the face of the league. He was the face during the Olympics of America. It's a whole different ballgame. Mahomes is unbelievable. But there is no other Michael. Like there's just, there's never going to be another Michael.

There's never going to be another Muhammad Ali. Boxing will never be that big again. There's never going to be another Tiger Woods. It's not going to happen. It's just, it's just never going to happen. It's timing, it's circumstance. Michael's journey, Jerry Krauss, Phil Jackson, the Pistons, the Celtics, his dad being murdered, the gambling stuff, everything.

Just all of it together makes Michael the greatest icon in the history of American sports today. I literally set my clock to those documentaries. Every Sunday it was like it was the biggest thing in my world. Also, think about Mahomes, it's fascinating. There's never really been, it's amazing to think about this. There's never really been, this is where Mahomes is unique. I wrote a list down this morning. Warren Moon, Aikman, Brady, Peyton, Bradshaw, Elway, Farrv, Rogers, Breeze.

These are the great quarterbacks. All bumps, bruises. Tom Brady never threw for 30 touchdowns until year eight. You forget that. Year of three missed the playoffs. He was a game manager early in his career. Patrick Mahomes, great MVP, Super Bowl MVP, highlight machine, best team, best offense, best arm, perfect size, 24.

It doesn't work that way in the NFL. It just doesn't work that way. Ever. I mean, Russell Wilson's close, but it was all about the running game, the coach, and the defense. Like, you go look at the great quarterbacks NFL history. I remember Bradshaw and Aikman's early years. They were awful. Aikman was like one for 15, got beat up, had bad off.

offensive lines. We just never seen anything like this. The head coach, the weapon, the MVP, the award, the Super Bowl, the arm, the contract. 24. It doesn't work this way. So the only thing I can even compare it to is Tiger Woods, who had the game, the power, the icon, the contract, the money, the awards, the majors. It is, I mean, the one thing I took away from that Michael Jordan documentary,

Joy and I talked about this, how damn hard it was. Oh, my God, he fought his GM. He fought his owner. He fought his coach. he fought the pistons, he fought his teammates, he fought Rodman, he fought, he fought baseball. I mean, Jordan, it was a long gravel road. Mahomes jumped right on the freeway into Maserati, fangelo, off and running. The question is, does he have a chip on his shoulder?

Like, I've seen tech billionaires and Hollywood stars at 24, and you're like, I mean, think about it. He's 24. He's going to be a public figure till 74. 50 years of can't go out in public much in Kansas City. 50 years of you the man. I think he'll handle it. I think he's unique. His dad was a pro baseball player.

But we, I mean, even the Peyton Mannings, the Brady's, the breeze, the Warren moons, the Elways. This is not the way it works. This is, I mean, Eli Manning retires a great career. First four years, it's a mess. Last four years for Eli. Not pretty. I mean, as long as Andy Reid's sticking around there, it's going to be pretty good, and this is going to be a long, long ride.

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iHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Michael Vickle joined us in 15 minutes. He once signed a 10-year deal with the Atlanta Falcons so he can relate to it. Joy Taylor's joining me. By the way, some of you on Twitter have said, Colin, your thoughts on Deshawn Jackson. Deshawn Jackson, who I like, said really stupid things.

He's getting called out for it. I don't believe in firing people. He's young. He made a mistake. It was dumb. It was inappropriate. You can look it up. I don't need to discuss it. But I'm not into canceling people. Okay, I believe people deserve second, third, and fourth chances. Okay, Deshawn Jackson's done a bad guy.

In fact, I have people that know Deshawn Jackson. They like him a lot. I met him at the Super Bowl, actually. He could not have been funnier, could not have been kinder. And he's young, and he said stuff, and it was inappropriate. And he should probably, you know, whatever teams do. Suspend him for a couple of weeks or something. And, you know, companies can do that.

And I get that. But I'm not into this whole thing about like ending people's lives because they make mistakes. People have, you know, they have wives, they have kids, they have family, they're trying to get them medicated and educated. We're going through a tough time in America with COVID. People are losing jobs. I don't want to see more people lose jobs. Even if it's a pro athlete that's got some money. That's not where I'm at.

Listen, don't demand perfection in life if we're also demanding growth. He's going to learn from this. It's a mistake. Okay, he made it. And he should be called out. What he said is inappropriate. should totally be called out. But this idea that I'm looking for always punitive action and fire this guy and fire that guy,

listen, we're all trying to grow through this, man. This is the toughest year. I'm old enough. I've seen recessions and depressions. I've seen buildings come down in New York. I've seen tragedies. I've seen wars. I've never been a year like this in my life.

There's never been a year like this in my life. And the country is mostly, I think, doing a good job to get through it. But it's tough. There's mistakes made. We're all a little fried. I mean, we're all a little worn out. I'm exhausted. Joy and I go through security and masks,

and the food's not, and this is it, and that's not. And we're all at wits end. And people make mistakes, and tempers are flaring, and Deshaun Jackson made a horrible mistake and said things that are completely uncool and regrettable, and he's going to grow from it. He's going to grow from it. How's that?

I agree. And apologize and let's all move forward. Okay. It's, it's, we, this is, listen, man, life's, you know, evolve, adapt, life's not easy. We make mistakes. Doesn't mean we're bad people. I don't, I think Drew Breeze is a good guy. I think he was tone deaf.

But if you look at Drew Breeze's resume and his history, it's been a really good guy. Been a really good teammate. Many black teammates. Black rival said, he helped me. He was a mentor. Gerald McCoy came on my show and he goes, I was trying to sack him for years. And he was my mentor. Drew Breed is a good guy.

I thought he was tone deaf. Not firing people. Like the social media wants everybody fired. And Drew Brees is a good American. He's a good teammate. He's a good guy. You can't expect everybody to be perfect and learn at the same time. Some people grew up with tradition.

They have values and they struggle with some of the movements and things that are happening to get America. I mean they're bad people. I mean, there's obviously if you're, there are certain exceptions to whether you should be canceled or not. Right, right. And I think we all know what those are. Those are obvious.

Yes. Yeah, this is not a cancel moment. No. Best for last, I'm going to make my, put my stuff on archive. We tape these shows on what's going to happen for Patrick Mahomes in the 12 years of his contract. But first, Patrick Mahomes, good kid and the chiefs have agreed to a record-breaking contract yesterday. And I just started thinking about how difficult it is to find a superstar quarterback contract that isn't worth the money. I struggle to find a single baseball contract of big money that's worth it.

Mike Trout's amazing. $435 million for Mike Trout? I looked it up this morning. He's never won a playoff game. The Angels are barely relevant in Los Angeles. Forget the rest of the country. And Mike Trout's amazing. Think of all the quarterback contracts.

Of course Patrick and Holmes is worth every penny. I could argue he's underpaid, although I doubt. he really cares. Carson Wentz. Oh, come on, Carson Wentz. I looked it up this morning. The Philadelphia Eagles, as far as I can tell, make over $10 million a home game.

In fact, if my math is right, it's closer to $20 million a home game. He carried them to the playoffs. Let's just cut it in the middle. It's $15 million they make. From beer, they drink a lot of beer in Philadelphia, to tickets, to sweets, to advertising, to tailgating, to programs, to food.

They eat a lot in Philly. Carson Wince made that franchise $15 million. He got them a home game. Did you watch the Eagles last year when he was throwing a deck furniture, lawn chairs? He carried them to the playoffs. He made half his contract in a one home game. Hell, the Cowboys make $600 million a year with their stadium. I'm not joking.

Philadelphia makes $220 million. Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers doesn't have an owner. Free agents don't want to play there. It doesn't matter. They've got Aaron Rogers. They win 10 games a year. People bag on Kirk Cousins.

Kirk Cousins is 18 and 12. He got the Vikings a home playoff game. You're making half your contract on a home playoff game. I looked at all the contracts this morning. Everybody banged on Jimmy Garoppolo. He's 21 and 5 as a starter. Kyle Shanahan's great. Losing record in San Francisco without him.

Jimmy Garopolo makes 27.5 million. Today, you think that's underpaid? He's getting them multiple. home games. Carapolo gets them two home playoff games. They're making 30 million bucks on those. He pays for his contract. Jared Goff, everybody bangs on Jared Gop. Now, he's worked his contract a little bit to help the team, but let's say it makes about $32 million, $33 million a year. He's already been to a Super Bowl. He's 33 and 14 as a starter. Sean McVeigh's system, he's great. And people bag on Jared Gough. It's Los Angeles. We have options. If you can't score points,

I watched him out play Mahomes on Monday Night Football in Los Angeles. I watched him out play Kirk Cousins. I watched him outplay Dak Prescott. And you beg on Jared Goff's contract. It's Los Angeles. People have options here. You want to put up Blake Bortles in that division? He's got to go against Russell Wilson, Trice, Goropolo twice,

Kyler Murray twice. Jared Goff is worth every penny he makes. He's worth every penny. You can't have a backup. You can't have Blake Bordles in the city. There's too many things going on. We have Kauai, LeBron, AD, and Paul George. The coaches are famous here, Doc Rivers.

So, I mean, there's just certain things in life you cannot overpay for. You cannot overpay for California coastal real estate. Homes in Malibu used to go for four, then 14, then 24. Now they go for $84 million. And with Silicon Valley, those are bonus checks in Silicon Valley for the smart guys or women. There'll be $300 million homes in Malibu in the next 50 years. you can't overpay for it. They're not making any more of it.

And in the NFL, you cannot overpay for a star quarterback. I mean, Russell Wilson has overcome an archaic offensive system. Bad offensive line. Bad offensive line coaches, bungled first round picks, undrafted wide receivers. He makes it all work. He just makes it all work. I mean, Aaron Rogers has no owner. It's a small market.

Free agents don't want to play there. Green Bay has only given him one really big-time defense. It doesn't matter. He usually wins the division. You can't overpay for it. I struggle to find a single big baseball contract I like. John Carlos Stanton, Robinson Canoe, Mani Machado, Mike Trout. You got to be kidding me.

None of those guys translate to Ws. I love Bryce Harper, the player, and I think there's some merchandising with him. You can't get with other stars. But Bryce Harper's contract, Washington got better without him. I mean, so when I look at these contracts and you throw in the fact, and this is another one. The NFL has changed all the rules. As Joy and I talked about to start this rant,

it's all offense. Because Cousins is worth the money. Goffs worth the money. Even Matt Stafford is the other one. Everybody bangs on Matt Stafford. Do you realize that Matt Stafford has seven wins against the Green Bay Packers? If you have to play Aaron Rogers twice a season,

minimum, you're not going to pay for a quarterback? Matt Stafford has beat the Green Bay. Bay Packers seven times. He's thrown for 34 touchdowns against the Green Bay Packers. Often in Lambo. His quarterback rating is 90 against the Green Bay Packers. You don't think Matt Stafford's worth the money?

What are you going to go with? Matt Moore? Sean Mannion? What are you going to go with? Matt Stanford gives you fighting chance. Goff gives you a fighting chance against the Niners. Matt Ryan, you're facing Drew Brees. I'm sorry.

He's won an MVP. the money for NFL quarterbacks is always worth it. Even the guys we bang on are a bargain. So Patrick Mahomes, take it to the bank. So I saw this. Let me shift to this. Everybody's saying this morning, well, what does this mean for DAC Prescott? I mean, we have to talk about that, right?

It's the contract negotiation that will never go away. So companies always worry about this word. Remember this word. Companies hate it. Precedent. Well, if you pay this guy that or this woman that, well, then you're going to have to pay everybody. I never buy into that.

There's Patrick Mahomes. He's one business. And then there's Dak Prescott. That's another business. You don't hear other DJs saying, you know, Howard Stern made 91 million last year. I deserve at least 21 million. I'm one-fifth of Howard Stern.

No, no, no. Howard Stern is his own market. You don't hear other basketball players say, Michael Jordan made $140 million on his shoe deal. I should get, I mean, he hasn't played in 20 years. I deserve at least $20 million. Michael Jordan has his own brand, not just his own shoe. Michael Jordan is his own market. Patrick Mahomes is his own market.

There is no other Patrick Mahomes. Lamar Jackson's never won a playoff game. You never want a playoff game. We have found the perfect quarterback. Even Aikman and Bradshaw and Montana and Brady, it was bumpy to start. He's 24. He's the perfect size. He has the best arm.

He has the best offensive coach. He's incredibly mature. This guy's his own market. You can pay him and then DAC is different. And by the way, DAC isn't even arguably the MVP of the offense. Most believe it's Zeke in the offensive line. Dak doesn't necessarily elevate the cowboy brand. let's be honest, Tony Romo became a household name.

You know, there were arguments. Tony Romo was the third or fourth best quarterback in the NFC. Forget Peyton Manning. Forget Brady. Forget Big Ben. Just in the NFC was the third or fourth best quarterback. So Dak doesn't necessarily elevate the brand, and you have to think about that.

Patrick Mahomes is the Chiefs. He is the Kansas City Chiefs. He's not just the face of the franchise. I'd argue now he's the face of the league. So I've never bought into this talk. about, well, this is a precedent. You can't pay him. There are people that are their own market. Mahomes is his own market. Nobody throws the ball like that. Nobody makes plays like that. He's a walking highlight reel. His highlight reel after two years. This kid is a coin toss in

overtime from going to two Super Bowls in his first two years and probably winning both because I think they come out and beat the Rams. I mean, There is no comp. The only other guy in the league I would give a 10-year contract to. The only other player I'd give a 10-year contract to is Russell Wilson. And even then, the last two years, he's 40, 41. Probably the player gets the better end of the deal than the franchise. No other player in the NFL were talking about 10-year contracts.

I mean, we signed this yesterday. When this story broke, we all went, oh, yeah, yeah, of course. It wasn't even an argument. It was, yeah, of course you would sign it. Russell is the only other guy in the league. you get, consider. I mean, I love Carson wins, injuries. Aaron Rogers, old. You start stacking guys up. Lamar Jackson, I got no playoff wins. Give me another year. You got to give me at least one more year on Lamar. I mean, this wasn't even an argument.

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And mostly, they tell you not to sign 10-year contract. contracts because if you're great, you want to get back to the market. But I have no problem with Mahomes doing it. He doesn't have to worry about money. And let's bring in Michael Vic via the Coward Global Satellite Network, the four-time Pro Boulder. Also a comeback player of the year. All right, so you sign the deal.

So before you sign your tenure contract, you had an agent. And generally, you're not supposed to sign 10-year contracts because you want to, you know, you want to keep coming up to the market and be a free agent and stuff. Yeah. So give me, why did you sign a 10-year contract? year contract. I signed my 10 year contract because I basically wanted to be locked in to the Atlanta Falcons franchise.

I think it showed me that they was committed to me. And then in return, they get the commitment, you know, from the other side. And, you know, I was going to do everything in my power to make sure that I didn't let the organization down that, you know, I did everything in my power to overdoing everything in my power to bring a championship to the city of Atlanta. And, you know, it showed the proper marriage and the perfect marriage. And I was ecstatic at the time. You know, I felt the expectation.

I felt the pressure. But it was a good pressure. And I wanted it. And I wanted that commitment. And then, and once I got it, I knew it was on right there and there. I knew what needed to be done. I needed to work harder. I needed to be a better leader.

And, you know, we had 10 years to chase a championship. And that's all I ever wanted. You know, a shame that I didn't get there, but it showed what a 10-year contract can do on both sides. Did it take any weight off your shoulders? It took weight off my shoulders because I always say being labeled a bus is something that I never wanted to be in the National Football League. I always wanted to show that I was worthy of being the number one pick. And, you know, once I got the contract and I knew it was going to be hard getting there, my agent and I talked about it all the time.

I just felt like I had to keep my head down and keep pushing. And don't take your foot off the gas, do everything in your power to get to that second deal. They'll show you that they're committed to you through and through all throughout. And you give the same in return. And that's all I ever wanted. And once I got it, the expectations grew. I felt the pressure, the pressure mounted, you know, from the media and throughout all sources. But, you know, I managed to, you know, make things happen.

It wasn't the prettiest, and it was about to get to a point we was going to have to make a decision somewhere within that contract. but just all in all to be able to have a 10-year tenure and know that that's where you're going to be. It's such a bit of comfort you would not understand. Andy Reed with Mahomes, the thing I like about this deal, it's obviously a lot of money. I don't care if he got overpaid, underpaid.

It's a lot of money he's worth it. But the Andy Reid deal, this is the part I like. I know that Patrick is going to have a coach that's creative and that's going to push, push, push, push, push, push, push. And I think, Michael, I could argue if you would have had a coach that was perfectly aligned with your style, you would have had a different career. Talk to me. You know Andy. You played for Andy.

What Andy will force Mahomes to do and how they'll work together. Well, Andy's going to force Patrick to continue to learn, to continue to get better as a quarterback, to continue to mature as a leader, which we all know he can. I think Andy knows that, and that's why they made the commitment for 10 years. On top of that, he'll continue to throw different ideas at him, different concepts. Andy texted me like two weeks ago and sent me a video of a play, you know, and, you know, it was a little back and forth. Do you remember the play? You know, we bet a dollar on it.

And the play was a very interesting play. And I was able to recollect and understand that play. And that's just another completion for Patrick this season. Andy's sitting around. He's cooking up more plays. He's pulling things from, you know, 2011 and 2012 and all easy concepts and things that I know Patrick can handle.

So this deal right here is a match made in heaven. Andy did it with Donovan in 2002. Gave him a 12-year deal. That's because he knew what he had. And he knew what he wanted to go in the future. And, you know, 2003, 2004, you know, NFC championship games and Super Bowls. And, you know, that's just,

what this is going to be. You know, it's history repeating itself for Andy, and he got the right guy. Donovan was the guy at the time. Patrick is the guy now. How successful does Patrick have to be? I mean, do you feel like he's got to win two, three Super Bowls to justify the deal and the hundreds of millions? No, it's all house money now, Colin.

You know, MVP in the second season, Super Bowl last year. What more can you ask for? you know, now you can just go out and not just wing it because the one thing I know Patrick would do is continue to take the game serious. He's that type of guy. But, you know, now you just, you plan to put the dynasty together, obviously with this type of contract. You know, things are going to happen contractually to bring in other guys and make room for free agents because everybody's going to want to go to Kansas City now. You know, the top receivers know they're going to get the ballers. some of, you know, the mediocre receivers can become better.

So this is going to be a place where they're going to win for a long time. You know, obviously Patrick don't play on both sides of the ball. So, you know, we're talking Dynasty. It has to come on both sides or three phases, so to speak. But this guy's going to do his job and everybody else if they come along with him. We're talking, you know, at least two or three more Super Bowls, at least easy. Yeah, Mike, when you got your money, and I, it's just the way the world works. it would be great when you sign big contracts that everybody would be happy for you.

But there is resentment. You know some people are just jealous. They're born envious. And when you sign your big contract, did you ever feel like not everybody was happy for you? And there was a little animosity. Yeah. You've ever, you felt that. I felt that, Colin.

It's a real thing. I mean, you know, it's envy that comes from all different places and places you will not believe. And, you know, the only thing you can do is keep your head down and do your job and continue to lead by example. That's all I did. I felt that energy. You know, it was negative. It was all around me and not from everyone. But it's going to happen.

And what Patrick can do in this situation is continue to show that he's worthy of every dime that he's going to make in that contract because he's going to make a lot of money in that contract. You know, a lot of it may be dead money, but some of that money he will get to. So, you know, he got to just enjoy the ride, bring all the people along. along with him that wants to be there, and he'll feel like he's a smart kid. He's a smart guy. I won't say kid. He's a smart man, and he'll understand what's at stake. Yeah, I said Russell Wilson, I'd give a 10-year contract to.

I'd like to see Lamar Jackson win some playoff games. There's not a lot of 10-year deals in this league. I mean, who else would you give a 10-year deal to? I mean, depending on how Lamar Jackson does over the next, you know, year or so, it's very possible. been set and I'm pretty sure him and this team is sitting back and looking at this and they should be clapping and jumping for joy.

A lot of the young guys, a lot of the young guys should be. Deshawn Watson has an opportunity. Maybe if you go out and prove it in the next year so, you know, it might be there for him, but, you know, like I said, the standard has been set, the bar's been set.

Sky is the limit. If your organization is committed to you and yes, Patrick is ahead of the curve because he's accomplished. What do we all want to accomplish and that's the Super Bowl, then it's there for them. So I would say as of right now, Lamar and D.Y got a great chance at achieving that. It all remains to be seen. By the way, $450 million. So when you got your tenure contract and you go to your bank account and you look at your ATM and it reads all that money, I mean, it's hard not to want to go out

and spend some of it, right? Like it. Burge a little bit. Yeah, I mean, I expect Patrick to have to find the things in life. You deserve it. You already hosted the trophy. I mean, you already hosted the trophy.

I mean, you got to go out. You got to live up to that too. But do it in a smart way, and he got more than enough money. But the one thing I will say is, I'm so excited to watch him continue to work over the years. And I text Andy last night, and I said,

10 more years of Patrick means 10 more years of Andy. And he just laughed it off. But, you know, it's going to be fun to watch, man. And, you know, I'm so happy for Andy and after watching Patrick for years and years, you know, especially in college and they're having a chance to be with them in training camp and, you know, seeing how far he's come, he's accomplished so much. And they did it together. And that's what matters. They did it all together. And, you know, I know people who are in the building, who was in the building in Philadelphia.

And, you know, they deserve every minute of it. They're all getting the fruits of the labor of how hard they work. You know, it's funny. I was just thinking about this, Michael. It's funny how life works. Forever, Andy Reid was getting criticized. And he was always taking these good quarterbacks and making them really good. It's almost like if there's a man upstairs that said, you know what,

I'm going to finally give you the greatest quarterback. And it's almost like Andy Reid for years took like guys who were good but could be flog. And everybody was like, Andy doesn't win the big game and Andy can't do this. It's almost like the football God said, okay, we tortured her for a lot of you. We're going to give you the greatest quarterback of all time. I mean, I'm not sure if I'm happier for Mahomes or Reed. Like they were, I almost feel like they were meant for each other, right?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Andy's such a great guy. And you just love him genuinely from the bottom of your heart. Like, you know, he's got angrives in heaven. And, you know, he did this. Andy created this. Andy did his due diligence on Patrick Mahomes when he was in college. He, you know, had Alex Smith, and it worked out.

Alex was great for Patrick. You know, Andy knew what he was getting in Patrick and how he was going to bring him along. And he picked the right guy. You know, everybody had a chance to scout this guy. And, you know, not to take away or anything away from anyone, you know, you go out and get who you need. and Andy needed a quarterback for the future. And he made this decision. He made this work.

And that's why you see the Patchman Holmes, Andy Reed, relationship growing and developing. And it's going to be beautiful over the next couple years. All right. Keep playing your – bring your clubs to L.A. Well, I'll get us on a course next time you're in town, man. I've taken this – I can't wait. Yeah, I have to cross my fingers and practice more.

Good seeing you, Michael. No doubt. Good seeing you, Colin. Yeah. It's one of those things, man. Life is – always warms my heart, somebody that struggled in life, and they get a break. And we all get breaks over time, but Andy Reid is somebody I've been defending for 15 years on the show.

Philadelphia this morning loves me. I mean, the city loves me. They hated me forever. Because I was like, Andy Reid's unbelievable. You guys can't get the right quarterback. I mean, Donovan McNabb was okay, but he was a 7th, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15th best quarterback in the league. I'm like, whatever he was. And now it's like the football god said, okay. we will now annoy to you with the greatest quarterback talent of all time. You have earned it. I mean, he took Michael Vick's career. Michael was kind of a reclamation project at the time.

He took it up. Here's Michael. Then Michael got back to playing really good football. And he took Alex Smith, San Francisco. He's like, no, I'll take Alex Smith. And he took a lot of guys that, you know, Donovan McDab was not a natural thrower. You know, Donovan was one of those guys where it's like, you know, Andy, going to refine him a little bit.

And then Michael, and he took him. Michael and Michael had bumps and then Alex Smith, San Francisco's done with them. And they're all talented. But it was like Andy was this genius and he never quite got the love and the credit for what he did. And it's like the sport rewarded him. It's like, okay, now we're giving you the guy. Because Andy Reid, just think about this. Andy Reid got fired.

Andy Reid got to five NFC championships in Philadelphia. He was fired. Okay? So that's how cruel football is. Pete Carroll is going to make the Hall of Fame. Fired twice. 7 to 9, 7.9 in Seattle. And then the football guard said,

then Russell Wilson will appear and it will change your entire legacy. Some of this sport is just luck. You got to have a little luck. You got to have a little luck. Especially at the quarterback position. So it makes me very happy. Joy with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. So you get a $500 million contract. What are you doing? What are you buying? Well, I like my house. I wouldn't do that.

I'm not a car person. I'm not a jewelry person. I'm not a boat person. All I care about is flying private. It's all I care about. You know what? Let me tell you something. I've done that a couple times in my life.

And I like Delta. But you know why? Because I like skiing and you go in those little planes in the winter. Well, yeah, you fly to them. mountains a lot. I'm not a huge mountain person. So, beautiful, but it's cold. Nothing against private, but there's nothing wrong with flying

a good airline. Well, I mean, you can get a nice plane, you know. Well, private, yeah, I get it. Yeah, I mean, I always felt that was kind of the difference maker. I mean, Warren Buffett's like worth a zillion dollars. He doesn't eat any better than me. He doesn't wear any better suits. He doesn't drive any better cars.

Yeah, now your transportation and your living space is really what's going to change. Yeah, so are you going to, now I have a home. I'm fine with it. I don't need a new home. I would buy everyone in my family a house, just so they own their home. I always say I would pay off all my friends' mortgages.

Yeah. Like I, my sister doesn't have one, but I would go to two or three friends, four or five friends, and just say, I'm not going to buy a new house, but I'll pay off your mortgage. Yeah, I would buy everyone in my family a house. My brother doesn't need a house.

I'd probably buy him like a vintage car. He likes cars. But for myself, I don't need a lot. I'm the same way. Not a huge house. I don't want to stay in a big house by myself. but I definitely like flying private. That would be amazing.

So expectations are high for the Lakers as they prepared to restart the season. And Jared Dudley thinks Anthony Davis is the key to the team's success in Orlando. I think AD is the first time in his career since maybe Kentucky where, you know, on any given night, he doesn't have to be the main score,

number two score. And I think that he's so efficient, so unselfish, that sometimes he tends to be too passive. We need him to be more aggressive. We need him to be on that block. We're going to need him, to be physical. We're going to need him to be dominant.

Defensively, it doesn't, it doesn't, I don't have any worry. Offensively, it's not a worry, but I just want him to be aggressive. AD is going to be the most critical part of us on this quest for a championship in the bubble. I don't remember on your hierarchy of your pressure hierarchy where you had Anthony Davis. He's in there. Chris Middleton was won. Anthony's fairly high. Listen, it's...

I can't remember where you had him. I do feel like the pressure is on him. For the Lakers. Here's the thing. The criticism of Anthony has always been A talent, but is he an alpha? Does he, like, like, Kauai Leonard just takes over games. Like, Kauai, too. Yeah, yeah.

Like Anthony Davis is an A talent, but feels like a two, but he's an A, he's a one talent. Right. That's been the night. Does he play through injuries? Is he tough in big spots? Does he, you know, all the things Tim Duncan had, like Tim Duncan rose in the moment. Anthony Davis has the talent, but not that. So this is the first time, by the way, there's no excuses because now he's got the world's best teammate.

I do think, though, me personally, the way that I'm looking at this bubble situation, because there's so many factors in it, I don't really have any expectations on any of these teams because it's so unpredictable how this is going to play out. Like, I'm not going to hold it against Milwaukee if they don't win. I'm not going to hold it against the Lakers if they don't win. I'm not even going to hold it against the clippers. I just don't know what's going to happen in this unprecedented situation. So I think it's impossible to predict.

And I just, I don't, I think if they get there, like if it's, you know, Milwaukee and the Lakers, like, yes, I think then we're in the pressure situation, right? But to get to the finals in this crazy environments, I just, I think it's good. I really feel like it may end up being a situation where someone who otherwise wouldn't have had a chance to win a title may end up winning it. Yeah. There's just so many factors. I'll say Boston's my dark horse. Yeah. Boston is really well coached, five guys that can score 20 points a game.

this may be a bubble where every team loses a star to COVID for a week and Boston can just let me like next we got five guys looking Boston to me is a very interesting dark horse they could literally lose a player to an injury a player to COVID for a week and they could still have four guys, three guys that can drop

22. Well speaking of Boston, Jason Tatum took a big step up with the Celtics this season and was selected for his first career All-Star game and they enter as one of the top teams in the east. Scotty Pippen thinks Tatum is ready to carry them to a title. I think this has been a breakout season for Tatum. He started out this season sort of on a mission to separate himself from the other players who've grown and developed as well as really showing some leadership. I think by becoming an all-star this season.

I think if this team is to make a run, it has to rely on Tatum's ability to carry them offensively. And I feel like he's totally ready. I do too. I totally agree with that. I think he's become a top six-seven player in the league. Totally agree with it. him over Zion, I think it was yesterday. I think he's unbelievable.

For the next five years. I thought, if you had asked me three years ago, I would have said Ben Simmons, Jason Tatum, and Ben's been a huge disappointment. Now I would say Zion and Jason Tatum are the two young stars. I think for the next six years, carry the league. He's been able to really

step up since, and not that he wasn't already great, but now he is really able to shine. Now that the Kyrie situation is not there. Boston just had too much of too much of too much. and young players who are trying to take it to the next level. Again, I think that that was a mistake how it was handled with Kyrie and Boston,

but they're still an impressive team to see this year. He can create his own shot. He can shoot threes. He puts it on the deck. He can pass. He can score at the rim. He's been good in playoff games. And it all works within that Brad Stevens system, too.

Finally, Nick Chubb just fell short of the NFL rushing title this past season, finishing only 46 yards behind Derek Henry. And Hall of Famer Lidani and Tomlson thinks that Chub will be even better this year. He said that Chubb is the perfect in the perfect offense with Kevin Sivansky's run heavy system. And he predicts that he will lead the league in rushing in 2020. Do not disagree. I think

Chubb's perfect for that offense. I also agree because even though Derek Henry is still a factor, there has been some conversations about not relying on Derek Henry so much this year. Right. Which I think will put Ryan Tannihill to the test. We'll make things very interesting there in Tennessee, which is why

I don't really love Tennessee to do what they did this year. last year. I think they're still going to be good, but it's just, I mean, Derek Henry took them everywhere they were last year. There's a really good football team every year. The following year, they're not as, they don't get the breaks. That's Tennessee to me. It was little lightning in the bottle. Lamar Jackson's got another year. You know, they're just, I start looking at the AFC and I'm like, all these young quarterbacks are now, you know, a little better. Cleveland's better. Miami will be better. I kind of feel like Tennessee, it was a, it's a great story. But

It feels it's like Atlanta. Atlanta is occasionally a one-off, but I can't trust them. I can't trust Tennessee to do that again. You're no longer trusting Atlanta. But I do think the running game in Cleveland is going to be really dynamic this year. Obviously, Nick Chubb is great. Kevin Stefansky's system. And, of course, they have Cream Hunt, too.

So they've got a lot of pieces. A lot. So they can put it all together. Yep, join with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Okay, 12-year deal for Patrick Mahomes.

Initially 10, now it's 12, right? You read the contract. 12 years, I'll make my predictions on everything. Awards, wins, titles, MVP's. Super Bowl, that's coming up. One thing that hasn't changed this year in a year of tumult is that we depend on cars and transportation. During the summer, cars can overheat, get Car Shield,

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average? About 11 or 12. That's with really, really. poorly run franchises. I think the Chargers have a great GM, and I do think Anthony Lynn's going to be a good coach, and I think Justin Herbert's going to work. So this is a real division. And listen, the Raiders defense isn't very good, but John Gruden and Mike Mayock have shown an ability to draft players.

So this is not a dysfunctional organization. Denver historically has been very good. Chargers have, they've always got, they've always got game. They've got right now great defense. So 11 wins over the course of 12 years on average. That's mostly winning your division every year.

and almost always making the playoffs. How many passing touchdowns will Mojom's average over the next 12 seasons? This is a big number. He's done 38, the first two, I'd say 35. Again, Denver, Vic Fangio, that's a real defense. Chargers, this is a real defense. You have to remember this, too. Travis Kelsey's 30.

He's going to be there for probably half of the 12 years. Sammy Watkins, they restructured his deal, but he's older, expensive. He'll probably got one more year left. There's going to be, with the money he's made. making. He's going to lose some weapons. He's not always going to have the fastest receiver in the NFL and the best tied in in the NFL. So the weapons will ebb and flow, but I think 35's a reasonable number. How many pro bowls will he make over the next 12 seasons? 10. That's the number. Brady Breeze, 10. So I'm giving him maybe an injury year. You know, there's a lot of talent. What if

Trevor Lawrence ends up? Justin Fields, Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, who knows what Joe Burrow is, TWA. Like, the AFC has really been over the last couple years, the inferior quarterback conference. By the end of next year, that may not be the case. There's going to be a lot of guys who can sling it. How many division titles? Eight out of 12. Again, Denver's not going to win one. Historically, Chargers not what if Justin Herbert's really good? You're going to win one? I hope Nick Wright is watching. What's that? I hope Nick Wright is watching this. It's incredible. I'm not saying they don't get to the playoffs every year, but. Eight division titles, take the Patriots out. Think about how formidable Big Ben and the Steelers are.

Think about the great organizations. To get eight out of 12, you almost need dysfunction. Peyton Manning had some dysfunction in his division. Brady had dysfunction. Yeah. Eight of 12 is absurd in the NFL. I think Brady is the outlier. Yeah, I mean, the AFCs has been such a disaster for so long.

More trades than ever, more free agencies. It's a sport with regulated violence. People get tackled. People get hurt. Eight of 12 is almost. outside of Brady an industry standard. Look at Breeze. Yeah.

How many MVP awards will he win over the next 12 seasons? Four. Jordan won five and was obviously the best player. Remember, MVPs are voted on by writers, writers like stories. Right. So they're going to vote it. Somebody else is going to have a more romantic story or they're going to get hot or they're, I mean, what if Joe Burrow in his second year pops?

He's going to win the MVP because everybody, you know, oh, Cincinnati, this doesn't mean he's not the best player for 10 or 12 years. but MVP's are kind of ridiculous. MJ 1-5. Well, I think that the MVP for the NFL isn't as storybook. Stylisticly. And stylistic as the NBA has become. The NBA is like almost predetermined before the season starts at this point.

How many AMC championships will he win over the next 12 seasons? Now, this seems low, but this means how many times is he getting to the Super Bowl? Right. They'll win three titles. That means they could get their success. seven times. It's hard. You're going to be facing Lamar Jackson. You're going to be facing really good teams and really get me face a big Ben. So I think they'll win three AFC championships, which means Patrick Mahalms will get to three more Super Bowls in 12 years. Does that seem low? Maybe.

I mean, Aaron Rogers never got back. When's the last time Big Ben was there? Yeah. I mean, I do, I think we have to not hold him to the Tom Brady standard, which is going to be very difficult to do. And he goes two and one. So he's going to be three and one in Super Bowls. He'll probably be the, we'll call him the best quarterback of all time. That's a huge number. Yeah. How many Super Bowls will he win over the next 12 seasons? I know I'm low on this.

Fox Bet said one and a half. I'll take one. I just, I think we forget how hard it is. Andy Reid 62. Andy Reid does four more years and just says like I'm, you know, 65, 66 and I'm done. And they have one disappointing season and the owners, you know, the pressure is hard.

I do. It is very, very difficult to win a Super Bowl. Eli's got two, Marino's got none. It makes no sense. I think that everyone's a little kind of hard eyes emoji today. Heart eye, yeah. It's recency bias. I just don't want to put unrealistic expectations on the situation. Yes, they're going to be great, but they're going to be a dynasty. Only four quarterbacks have more than two Super Bowls.

Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman. Brady had the best coach. Montana had the second best coach. I'd argue that Aikman had the third best coach in the NFL history, and Bradshaw had the best defense. You need a lot of help. You need a lot of help. You need a lot of help. A year ago, you guys were all banging on Andy Reid. You were banging on him. Andy Reid clock management, and it's like now, it's like,

oh, he's going to get nine Super Bowls. You start looking at the guys that won. They either had great defenses, great coach, Jerry Rice. Montana got Bill Walsh and Jerry Rice. I think they win two more. That's a reasonable number. But this morning, people are comparing Mahomes to MJ. Slow, slow down.

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