The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Patrick Mahomes , Eli Manning Hall Of Fame Worthy and Terry Bradshaw's SuperBowl Experience

Episode Date: January 29, 2020

Colin talks about Patrick Mahomes being impossible to predict. Colin defends Eli Manning's rightful place in the Hall Of Fame. James Jones joins and sheds light on the importance of the "Next Man Up" mentality. He talks with 4x Super Bowl Champion Terry Bradshaw about his Super Bowl experiences. He plays a Super Bowl edition of two truths and a lie. Plus, Frank Caliendo shows Colin his new Tony Romo impression and does more of his classics.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Belichick and Tom Brady having it out over his contract. But we start, look at those beautiful pictures. Beautiful pictures. If you're listening to us on radio, go to FS1. What a week. Look at those views. So there should be a new rule for all of us in the media. I can't control fans.

There's a new rule in the media. When it comes to the draft, NFL draft, NBA draft, we don't know. We have a lot of information. We think we know, but you never truly know. So Kyle Shanahan is the best young, offensive football mind in the National Football League. Everybody thought it was Sean McVeigh. We told you. You know it's Kyle Shanahan.

Dad's a Hall of Fame coach. Kyle's going to be a Hall of Fame coach. and he was talking this week about, you know, he watched Patrick Mahomes, he saw the tape, and they decided, hey, just not that great. I didn't look into him obviously as much as I should have. I think it was, I mean, we definitely looked into him, studied all his tape, was just a freak. I could make any throw, had the ability to do anything. I thought it was a little bit different situation for us.

We had the second pick in the draft, did not feel like from all the, Intel you getting stuff that he was going to go that high. Yeah, Kyle Shanahan wasn't sure with Patrick Mahomes. New rule. We have a lot of information, but we don't really know who's going to change leagues. Janus went 15th. Jimmy Butler 30th.

Kauai Leonard's the best guy in the league right now to get a bucket and make a stop. 15. The best back court in NBA history is Steph Curry and Clay Thompson. One guy went to David's, one guy went to Washington State. They didn't get the big offers. One went seventh in the draft.

One went 11th. By the way, Tom Brady six round, Russell Wilson third, Joe Montana third. Lamar Jackson, end of the first round. Aaron Rogers and Dan Marino both plummeted in the first round. Kansas City, A,

had no idea Mahomes was going to be this good. And B, Mahomes wouldn't be this good if he was in Cleveland. Because it'd be on his third head coach. They'd have a crappy offensive line. and he'd be getting banged up. The schematics wouldn't be as good. He wouldn't have been able to sit for a year.

They would have rushed him into playing, and he would have been overwhelmed and probably lost so that confidence he has today. If Kyle Shanahan watched tape of Patrick Mahomes and was like, I could go either way on the guy. Then we don't know. Not only Bill Belichick and the dynasty in New England

has done virtually everything right for 20 years, except they're not always great on drafting. They're not even great on drafting in the first round or the second. Some of their better players have gone in the fifth, sixth, fourth, undrafted. So you just don't know. Now, the good news about Mahomes, he appreciates the fact that it's an inexact science,

and I love that he understands how lucky he is. I think I ended up in the perfect place. To have Coach Reed and these coaches around me, to have Alex Smith in front me for a year and be able to learn from him. And then obviously to have all the players that I have around me. I'm in a place where the team was already a winning team, a team that had a lot of success. And I came in, was able to just be who I am, be who I am. And I ended up being able to win a lot of football games early in my career. By the way, he gets compared to Steph Curry.

Never forget 2012. The Warriors had Monta Ellis and Steph Curry. They called Milwaukee. The Warriors wanted Andrew Bogot. Which one do you want? Thank God they took Monta Ellis. Or Steph Curry could have ended up in Milwaukee and never play with Clay and never have Steve Kerr,

and never have Draymond Green, and never attract Kevin Durant, and Mahomes could be in Cleveland. He's a highlight reel on his third coach, and Steph Curry could be on Milwaukee and never be part of the greatest dynasty in the last 15 years in the NBA. We just don't know.

We think we do, and we have a lot of information. In my lifetime, there have been five guys, since I've been a sportscaster, five that had to go number one. LeBron and Shaq, Bryce Harper and baseball, Andrew Luck, and Tiger Woods, if golf had a draft. that's it. Those were the ones there were no questions. And you could say, well, I mean, Bryce Harper has it. Bryce Harper's making, you know,

38 million a year. Bryce Harper is great. Shaq, LeBron, Tiger Woods, if golf have a draft, and Andrew Luck. And Andrew Luck, for the record, won a lot of games, didn't even have the right GM, didn't have the right players, didn't have the roster, didn't have the coach. But even, even the physical freaks, Janus, you don't know. you just don't know.

All right, so I saw this this morning. We have been very blessed in the last decade. It was the decade of the dynasties. Yukon women's basketball, Alabama football, Golden State Warriors, New England Patriots, that I say Alabama football, I think I did. They're all ending. Bama didn't make it to the playoff.

Yukon women haven't won a title in four years. New England looks kind of old. and Golden State imploded. Kevin Durant left, lots of injuries as Steph and Clay and Draymond get a little older. You know, I was thinking about that as the news came down this morning, that Dante Scarnacki, the best offensive line coach, probably in the history of the NFL is retiring. And I think it's a really, really big deal.

And Tom's getting old, and Dante's retiring, and Gronk retired. And now you've got young receivers. coming in and Tom is older and less patient. And I thought about this this week with the passing of Kobe Bryant. We just have to appreciate the great ones. For 20 years, all we are hearing on New England has been criticism. But I watched Dana White take the UFC and turn it into a $4 billion brand. I just saw this morning Barstool Sports sold for a zillion dollars.

I watched Kobe Bryant. shoots too much. He's hard to play with him coach. I watch the New England Patriots. The truth is to be a dynasty, you have to shut out a lot of that noise. Because to be a dynasty and to be great, you're taking stuff from other people who think they want it as much as you. So you've got to be sort of obsessed. You're taking shots. You're taking money. You're taking wins. You're taking players, you've taken coaches. I've always said this about the New England dynasty. I can't believe it lasted this long. Honestly, I cannot believe the dynasty lasted so long. So when you read these stories about Brady and Belichick, and it's getting, it's getting sort of prickly,

and Tom wants some money, and Bill doesn't hand out money to pretty much anybody. Like, I get it. And I was thinking about that this morning. On a lighter side, I'm thinking, I would love to be a fly on the wall. And you know, as much as Bill loves Tom and Tom respects Bill, you know that this last contract conversation, you know it's uncomfortable. And so we introduced today for our radio listeners, you'll want to see it on video, trading faces. Colin spends most of his time talking about your favorite football stars. I mean, Baker's gotten two coaches fired already. But today, he's talking as them.

You don't play? You don't know it. This is trading faces. You know that Belichick and Brady at some point have sat down. Bill's having soup. Tom's leaving practice and spent three or four minutes talking about this potentially being the year he leaves. And you know what Bill's saying. Tommy, I love you. You've sacrificed.

We totally respect that. But this is about winning. We've also made a sacrifice. We were going to replace you with Jimmy Garoppolo. He's very good looking. And not that you aren't good looking, but he's very good looking. And we didn't. We shipped him out of town, so we've been good to you.

You know, and Tom Brady, you've got to give him credit. The guy has taken, you know, some real pay cuts. And Brady's going to say, coach, I don't mind taking pay cuts, but I got nothing out here. I got rookie wide receivers. You didn't address gronk. I got hockey scores on the desk here. I got nothing. You got to give me something to work with.

What do I have? Where's all the money going? Are you guys sending the money offshore? Tommy, that's not how we do it. We love you here. We just, we can't go to $35 million. You're looking at Patrick Mahomes. You're looking at Russell Wilson.

You're looking at Lamar Jackson. The game has changed. You're looking a little bit, you know, more like a Philip Rivers or an Eli Manning, Andy Dalton. And we love you. And at that point, Tom's done. Tom's like Andy Dalton, the beige water pistol. I'm Andy Dalton.

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Look at our, look at how it's grown. Terry Bradshaw's joining us. Your first Super Bowl was in 1974. Was 74? Did you even get a police escort to the game back then? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe.

I'm not sure we did or not. But, I mean, it was pretty raw. It was a football game. Right. It was, I remember going to the game in New Orleans, and after the game, showered and we got our clothes on and talked to the one or two beat riders. And that was it. One or two beat riders. Yeah, I think one or two people.

From the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Probably, yeah. And then may have done one more, but I guarantee you, I'll guarantee you. I bet my life on it. I didn't do more than three. Okay, but I remember also, the last one was in Los Angeles. Right. And that felt big. The game then was getting much more glam.

I remember the catchback of the end zone to Swan, Vince Farragamo. Now, that game, Terry, felt like a Super Bowl to me. As a kid, that was one of the first Super Bowls that felt big. Do you remember? To you, to you, not to us. To players, it was big. All of them were big. it only here's the only thing it's gotten bigger is this money of course but this the coverage look at

the set i mean this is crazy isn't it crazy look at this all this belongs to fox fox set all this stuff yeah holy cow how can they have four to pay us i don't know but really this is this is impressive and i think in super bowl nine my first super bowl i went with fran tarkington and we went in the new Saints offensive players room, which was probably 16 by 30, and took pictures. Me and Fran. Yeah. To some degree, imagine the players today would say, boy, I wish it was like that now. Now you have with all the social media and you can't do anything.

Would you have done okay with social media? No. You and Namath. No, I would have not done well at all. I wanted to be like Namath. You did? I wanted to be like Joe. I wanted to have the confidence to talk like that.

No, I'm going to back it up. I would have loved to have been able to do that. I wanted to do that. The first pair of white shoes I bought in Tampa in a preseason game were 10 and a halfs. They didn't have my size, 12. And I wore them just so I could be like Namath. Really? Oh, yeah, about killed my poor feet.

Why didn't you have the confidence? You were a number one pick. I don't know. I just, you know, I'm one of those kids that's always, I always felt like I was about five years behind everything. You know, coming over here today, and I don't understand anything they're saying in the back seat and they're talking all social media stuff and music's playing.

I don't know any of this stuff. I'm just in a, I live in a protective world, I guess. I don't know. I just got a very, my focus is so much different. and everybody's. No, I get it. So I find it fascinating. You wanted to be Joe Namath and so many kids grow.

I've told you this story. I'll tell this story one more time. So when I was a little kid, your team, Terry, I wanted to be a quarterback. And so I got a football jersey, and I had a football. You know, you got a football

at a local sporting goods store, right? They didn't have dicks back then. Probably Bob's in my hometown. Got it. So I bought a football. And when Terry threw the football, he grabbed the top of the football. So I tried to throw it.

So I tried to throw it. I tried to throw it like that. And I remember my dad saying, I don't think you're Terry Bradshaw. I don't think you can throw it like that. He goes, why don't you just, can my hands were smaller? And so I'm like a nine-year-old boy. And then I played high school football and I was a quarterback. I was terrible.

And I started- I can believe that. I don't see any athletic ability here. Okay, no, this is where you were born, man. You're born to be on a mic. But I remember throwing, you screwed up a lot of kids because you had this perfect. People forget this, Terry. You were drafted number one.

None of your games were on television. In fact, when you were drafted number one, where were you when you got the call? I was pulling out of the driveway to go fishing. And did Mel Kuiper call you? Who called you? Mel Kuiper. I don't even think even Mel Kiper wasn't born. I was going fishing.

My dad stopped me and said, you got to get, you got to stay. I said, why am I? He said, I got a call from George Hallis. And he said, they're trying to make a train. to take you with the first pick. I thought I'd go like third or fourth round. And I went, bull, dad, what's, you know? And he said, no.

He said, you can't go fishing. I was mad. I had to park, put my boat up. Then he made me go put on a shirt and a tie. Oh, Lord. I went, Dad, are you kidding me? I mean, I was furious. But I did it.

And my dad said, do it. So I did it. Where did you get the artistic stuff, the singing, the music? Where did you get all that stuff from? All the singing? Yeah, where'd you get that from? From my mother's family. All right.

All of them are... Church. ...cerners, all singers. And the church in the South? Probably, mostly, they... My one uncle made his guitar, is a beautiful voice. My other uncle had a gorgeous voice.

He sold Wonderbred. He just loved to sing. My mother's got a really pretty voice. And my brother, my younger brother, Craig, sings like Pavrotti. Oh, he's amazing. And I told him, I said, you didn't listen to God when God spoke to you because you're supposed to be singing and not selling houses in Dallas. I mean, he's really that good.

And here I am. I'm the one that's singing. Makes no sense. You know? We love you for it. Yeah. So you go into games like this. I want you to go back because the Terry Bratja, I remember, big, strong, huge arm over the top.

You were all of it. but like Jimmy Garoppolo Why come Joy doesn't get to talk I mean Why have I got to listen to you? Terry, I talk a lot I like I like Colin getting his flow But I can make an argument

You were Jimmy Garoppolo You had a big running game You had a big defense Right And you won Super Bowls And everybody was talking about mean Joe Green And Franco Harris You didn't

How much did you throw a game Your teams were like San Francisco I think for my career I had Johns Arnecky Look it up I averaged 19 passes a game. Isn't that incredible? 19. And I saw Jimmy after the game the other day before we presented the trophy. I said,

how's that arm? You guys? That baby down the night? What do you throw? Eight? Through eight passes. I said, Jimmy, I won a Super Bowl throwing 11 passes. I threw 11, 23, 32, 30, I think, something like that. No more than that. And he said, you've got to be kidding me. I think there was a certain part of Jimmy, and I'm going to interview him tomorrow. I really like, I love both these quarters. My wife is here. She just loves Mahomes, loves him.

She's a cheese fan, loves him. And both these kids are really good. But he was just shocked that we won. I think he felt like he's not doing his job because he's doing his handing off. And I found as a quarterback making, because I, I called my own plays, I had and was taught all this running game, you had to make the audibles to get the, you know, put the, get the right play at the line of scrimmage. And I found that to be just as exciting, you know. And now at 71, you say, gosh, I wish I had to thrown 40 a game

down because we're not any good because our staffs are so bad. I think Breeze has got 75,000 yards. I think I got 27,000. It's almost like take me out of the Hall of Fame. How did I even get there. Even this one idiot down in Dallas says, I don't know how. He ought to take him out. It didn't even belong to me. I'll kick his ass. A little worm. Well, I mean, just the world's change. I mean, in baseball. For the better. For the better. Yes. And by the way, in baseball now, Terry, it used to be about starters going nine. Now it's all about the bullpen. Yeah. So relievers are going to have more earnings and they're going to be. Exactly. And I don't know nothing about baseball, but Joel Lurzonson to Joe Buck. And Joe say, well, big.

going so starting today, boy, he's had a guy, he's 21 and 2. If they can get five strong endings, I can't get, they can't wait to get to the bullpen. That's right. Exactly. So when you look at Mahomes, you were known as having a legendary arm, and I'm trying to think a lot of your contemporaries didn't. Greasy didn't have a huge arm. Stabler didn't have a huge arm. Oh, Stabler was amazing. We was, but he didn't have a huge arm. Oh, Stabler.

So amazing. I played against that guy, man. He was so amazing. Just scare you to death. He installed back with the two guys. I never, Bert Jones was another one. You don't even remember.

You remember Berg Joins? Yesterday in the elevator, I ran into Lydell Mitchell. Wow. He goes, young man, I enjoy your show. I said, who are you? He goes, Lydell Mitchell. I said, number 26. You and Burke Jones are my second favorite team.

There you go. Penn State. Boy, could he sling that pill? Bert was great. Bert could sling it. I mean, like, talk about anybody in the NFL today, and they had to get their second behind Burr Jones. Man, what an arm.

So when you look at Mahomes, Are there throws he makes? You couldn't. Now, you really think a guy that's in the Hall of Fame is going to admit that there's a throw that this kid can make that I can't make? Go look at my tape back in the 62. I watched you. You were good.

I don't. I could make those throws. I just never. I'd made some throws like that, but he does it every game. Mine would have been highlight real. And he's allowed to. He's got Andy Reed. You had Chuck Knoll who was.

Let me make a point to our listeners. There's so much more pressure on a young quarterback, like Groplo. If you look, he averaged like almost 290 yards a game in the regular season. Got into the playoff. I don't even think he's, I think it's 95 yards. It's something like that in the last two games. Yeah. And there's more pressure on him because he's not going to have an offer.

or so far from what we've seen, so far, because he may not have the opportunity to throw 35 or 40 passes. So therefore, let's say they come out and they run 13, 14 times in a row, and then they're finally in a third and long and he misses it. What's Shanahan going to think? Oh, man, we've got to run more. I mean, you see, it's a fine line, man, that guy's got to have that comments to know that this is our game playing. This is how we've been winning, and this chief team, while Ben, Better now than they were after really 13.

This is a pretty good defense played pretty good. And now you've got to say, this kid can chunk it, you know. But when you're only throwing a handful, there's more pressure on that guy that's going to throw eight than that guy is going to throw 38. That's a really good point. Yeah. Terry Bradshaw, four Super Bowl rings. That's a good point, isn't it? Very good.

You can use that. Thanks. I just did. Okay, good. Later. So Pittsburgh girl, by the way, Joy Taylor's a Pittsburgh girl. Serious. Jason Taylor Hall of Famers are brother.

You know that, right? Wow, no. You didn't know that. No. Her brother is Jason Taylor. No, I know who Jay. Call of fame, a good-looking guy? Yeah, I know who he is.

Yeah. But I can't. She didn't look like Jason Taylor. I have more hair than Jason has. Yeah. By the way. So good of you to let her talk. I appreciate that.

Listen, the show, I do the interviews and I fly. Oh, you do the interviews? Most of them. I never watched the show, so I don't know how this word. It's very, very good. Look at everybody laughing over there. Now, you're an entertainment. entertainer, but you're actually behind the scenes. You're very serious. And I asked you one time,

I said, you know, you were probably a partier before big games. And you're like, please. You were kind of straight-laced. Very straight. My dad scared the hell out of me. He did. He told me when I got drafted, he sat me down. I'll never forget it. We went through a, you're leaving home and you're going to a strange town. And then he's, he's, He's trying to explain to me how it's going to be. And he said, don't forget that you have my name and don't embarrass the family name. You get up there, you do your job. And then when your career is over with, you know, you take that experience and you move

on through your life. But he was real proud of the Bradshaw name, and I didn't, I never forgot that. I very seldom. I remember one time I'll say this. Joe Green called me, and we were on our way to San Diego. to play and he said meet me at the hotel we'll have a beer before we go to the airport so I said all right so go to have a beer with Joe go to San Diego I play bad we lose paper brought y'all you know brachall seen in a bar before the game and and that was just a really

good lesson just a simple innocent little beer and can you imagine today can you imagine and especially me, you know, as a friend of mine, Dave Stewart, oh, by the way, if you ever get down to Sarasota, Florida, want a free meal, go to Captain Kurtz, ask for Dave, and he owns a joint and tell him, Terry Bradshaw, send you, food's free. Serious, serious, that's the key. Brachaw sent you.

Dave Stewart says, I got feelings. I used to say, that's a great line. I have feelings, and I think I'm too sensitive, but worried too much about what people say, and so it would be hard for me. It would be, not now, because it doesn't bother me now. I'm used to it, but it would have been hard for me coming out of Louisiana Tech and, while a great school, it's not like we're, you know,

in the Southeast Conference playing Alabama and Florida every week, so LSU. So it was a learning curve that I'm not one that really likes to grow up. I kind of like to stay a little boy. It's fun. I married a really smart gal that takes care of me. Thank God. But yeah, I'm pretty serious about a lot of things. But for the most part, I wake up making folks laugh, which makes me feel good.

I love seeing you. I love you coming by the show. I really do. I really enjoy it. Do I? Do you enjoy that? I don't have the earpiece in. I can't hear what you're saying.

You know what? Better that way. Oh, was it? When you can't hear me, I'm way. better. Well, that's what I heard. Thank you for coming by. Oh, that's it. I drove an hour and 45 minutes in this traffic. This is all I get. Can I at least say that I'll be at the Luxar starting in March for the whole year?

So come to Vegas. Come see the show. Can you eloquently send... She does news updates since you don't watch my show. Can you send now the segment to Joy Taylor, can you sing it beautifully? I'd like to sing this send-off to joy to the world, sweetheart. Please take us.

We're going to news. To the news. It's kind of clunky. Take us to the news. God. Terry. I guess I'll leave now. Thank you, Terry.

Always a treat. Pittsburgh legend. So Patrick Mahomes is in line for a record-breaking contract extension from the Chiefs. but owner Clark Hunt is in no rush to get that deal done. He said there will be a right time sometime in the next 12 to 15 months to extend Patrick. And when I say right time, I mean right time for both the player and the club.

I don't want to say necessarily it has to be this off season. But I will say that it's a priority to get him done. I hope Patrick is here for his entire career. That's going to be our goal. Now at the surface, this looks like kind of a strange statement because of course Patrick Mahomes getting signed to a long term. I'm going to go with he's going to get money. Contract extension is a given,

and you would assume it is their priority. But they do have a little bit of time, and they have some other contracts they need to sort out. Chris Jones being one of them, they want to try and get him signed before the 2019 season. They only have two cornerbacks under contract for 2020. Sort out that as well. And the CBA is coming up soon.

So they might want to wait until after the CBA is finished, because that might be an advantage for both of them with whatever changes come in that agreement as well. Generally, the feeling has been if you have a star quarterback, he is a multiplier, a force multiplier, he'll make everybody better. Pay him early. It hurts for a year. And then by year three or four or five, you feel like we're getting a little discount. Well, yeah.

I mean, he's going to get the largest contract ever regardless. Of course, he's going to be the highest paid. He's eligible for the contract extension of the soft scene, season, under contract through 2020. And then they can exercise the fifth year option in 2021. But as you said, every year that this goes on, even though. they have these other things to sort out, it's going to get more and more expensive. Right. And regardless, it's going to continue going up as well.

Every time someone gets a new contract, and obviously no one's going to ever say that Patrick Mahomes is overpaid, and unlike some of the other contracts that guys have gotten, like Kirk Cousins and, you know, some of the other larger contracts, you're only the highest paid for a certain amount of time. So especially in a salary cap league, there's nothing to freak out about because it's going to, it's a long-term contract in some way or another. The quarterback understands he's going to need pieces around him. not going to give them a discount, obviously, but like this is, you have to sort this out. You know, this is coming.

So prepare for it. Get the guys under contract that you need to to make room for it. So Jimmy Garoppolo still has a ton of doubters. We were just discussing this with Terry, despite getting a scene to the Super Bowl. And Kyle Shanahan thinks that Jimmy Gee gets unfair criticism for being on a team that doesn't always have to rely on him. It's really funny that people say that. Does anyone notice how good we were running the ball?

And we weren't just running it to punt and try to win three to zero. I mean, there was times, especially in that Green Bay game, we had a better chance of getting a 30-yard game running it, just from some of the looks we were getting in things like that. And there's nothing against, Jimmy should never apologize for us running the ball too well. I'd also say one thing you can always look at a quarterback, regardless how it's going, is you can't run the ball

if you don't do good on third down. And Jimmy has been as good as anyone to be on third down this year. Jimmy is not getting a lot of respect for the amounts of, because they are running the ball so much and they are so great at running the ball. Wins a lot of games. Here's the thing. I say this all the time.

All those stats and all that stuff is fun and it's nice and it's cute and it'll eventually get you in the Hall of Fame if you get a bunch of them and all that's nice. It's great for fantasy football. It's very flashy. But the only column that matters is win and loss. So at the end of the day,

if he wins a Super Bowl throwing the ball eight times, who cares? Nobody cares. He's not going to care. I assure you know 49ers fan is going to care. It just doesn't matter. Just get the job done. And that's what I like about Jimmy G.

And you would think, you know, Jimmy has this, you know, he has the look and, you know, the bravado and the confidence and all that. But there's never, there's not a drop of arrogance about him to me. No, I think all the quarterbacks I like are humble. Mahomes, I think's a humble kid. Yes. I think Wenz is humble.

Plays with confidence. Yeah, I mean, you have to be confident to play. But I mean, every, Lamar Jackson, like every quarterback I like has the same personality trait. I don't even need to name the guys that I don't like, but the thing I don't like is cocky, distracted, and lacking humility. And I think 99% of the guys I like, 99% of the pro quarterbacks have that quality. And I think Jimmy G does.

Yeah, and Jimmy G hasn't gotten a lot of credit this year. And it's because the team is so physical and you have all these stars. And you've got Richard Sherman and George Kittle and Nick Bosa. And although he is a star of the team. team. He just doesn't have the same kind of, I don't want to say energy, but flare, I guess, that the other guys have. So that's kind of, I think, why he's not getting the credit he deserves. Speaking of Richard Sherman, he had some options in free agency, and he took more than just the money into consideration when he made his decision. He said, the Lions would have given him more

guaranteed money than he got with the 49ers, but he didn't want to play the way the Lions organization does. He said, they want to do it the Patriots way, and that's really not the way I do football. That's what I appreciate about Kyle. The way he did things was very similar to how we did things in Seattle that made a huge difference. I can get this $20 million guaranteed and be in Detroit and lose football games or I can go to a place where I'm very comfortable and I really believe we can win. So according to the Athletic, the Lions offered him a contract that included $10 million guaranteed in each of the first two seasons. But he declined it to be with the 49ers. But you know, Richard Sherman could segue very easily into media.

So money's not going to be a problem. A smart guy and he's made it. But there's no value in getting on an aeroplane on those eight road games and you've lost seven. Like once you've got the money and the fame and the talent, Richard Sherman's never going to struggle making money. Because he'd get hired in two seconds to be a commentator. If he wanted to do media, he could do it. Winning games, getting on planes flying home, and you just beat the Saints in the Superdome, and you fly four and a half hours to San Francisco, I don't care what I make on that flight.

That's a great flight. No, and also you want to enjoy what you do, which is basically what he's saying. Aside from the losing part, what he said is they do it the Patriots way. He said he likes music and practice. He likes, you know, looser meetings, being able to come to work and be in a more relaxed environment. And he also said that they do conditioning after practice. And, you know, he's a veteran player. His body can't take that kind of work and he doesn't need to do it.

He knows how to prepare. So took all those things into consideration. Certainly worked out from very excited to see him on Sunday. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. The NFL has the next Jimmy Garapolo, and we found him, plus Dion Sanders calls out Eli Manning.

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So Dion Sanders, best cornerback probably had ever played football. One of the great great return men, punt returner, one of the great corners, arguably didn't like to tackle much, not great against the run game, but the best pure corner in the history of the NFL was undisputed yesterday. And, you know, it's a little bit about Eli Manning, a little veiled shot at Eli, getting into the Hall of Fame, because that's been a big argument this week. Does he get into the Hall of Fame? And my takeaway is, of course, it gets into the Hall of Fame.

I'll get into that in a second. But Dion said, it's becoming, you know, it's the Hall of Good. What is the Hall of Fame? Like when we grew up, Hall of Famer was somebody who changed the darn game that you want to go purchase a ticket to go see them play individually. They were special. They was set aside. You wanted to see them practice not only play. It ain't like that no more.

No. It's Tom Dick and Harry and Larry getting into Hall of Fame. Yeah, I mean, listen, we live in a more inclusive time. The media is a little younger, the younger generation, a little more inclusive. There's a lot of people that think now. Now, you have to let Eli Manning in, but I'll give you an example. In baseball, they just let Larry Walker in. Larry Walker was a 280 hitter in Montreal, a 280 hitter in St. Louis, and a 280 career

hitter on the road. Didn't get the mark you need to, 3,000 hits, got closer to 2,000 hits. But his career average was 313 because he played at Coors Field, where he hit 380, to a point where baseball had to grab the baseballs. and then about a decade ago, put him in a humidifier before the game because they were flying out of the stadium. He got some artificial help there, not his fault, took advantage of it. So he gets in on his 10th try to get into the Hall of Fame. But baseball is different.

When you vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame, you do it by yourself. You're in a room by yourself and you vote. It's very easy. There's no pressure. You can roll over and go, eh, I liked him. It's a 10th time I'm going to put Larry Walker in. In football doesn't work that way. You go into a room and you get people arguing for and against people.

And so I think there will be a vigorous debate about Eli Manning getting in. But here's where I defend Eli Manning in a very inclusive world where participation trophies for everybody, right? Here's, and I'm not from that generation, but here's where I defend Eli. People always say this. Well, you can't tell the story of blank without blank. I can tell the story of baseball without Larry Walker. Okay, so I could make that argument. He got in.

People say you can't tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning. That's not it. You can't tell the story of football without field turf and goalposts. Should they get in? There's a lot of guys and a lot of teams that it's hard to tell the story of certain sports without certain players. Jose Canseco and baseball, does he get in? All these Astros that just cheated in the World Series.

Did they get in? Can't tell the story of baseball without the Astros cheating scandal. That's not it with Eli. You can't tell the story of the greatest coach without Eli Bill Belichick. You can't tell the story of the greatest quarterback, Tom Brady, without Eli Manning. You can't tell the story of the greatest game, the Super Bowl, without Eli Manning. You can't tell the story of the greatest quarterback family of all time, the Manning family, without Eli Manning. His story is far more robust than, well, he can't really tell the story of football.

without Eli Manning. There's a million people that have been part logistically of baseball, football, basketball who were not great players, but it is hard to tell the story without them. That's not it with Eli. You can't tell the story of the best coach, quarterback, dynasty, game, and the Giants are a top five all-time franchise. You can't tell any of those stories without Eli Manning. So I don't think we're being soft with Eli Manning.

It's not, there's a lot of doors into the Hall of Fame. Some are front doors, Derek Jeter. Some are front doors, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aitman. Some come in the side door. And for Eli, a little bit more of the side door, but I'm okay with it. Coming up next, we're going to play a game called Two Truths and a Lie. Oh, okay. Another edition of Two Truths and a Lie coming up in one minute.

I want to mention this, too. So when Jimmy Garapolo was a New England patriot, remember that? Yes. So Jimmy Garapolo was a New England patriot. And I went on the air for a year. And I said, okay, he is better than at least a third to a half of the quarterbacks in this league. Somebody go get Jimmy Garoppolo. And finally, San Francisco did.

and Jimmy will play Sunday against Patrick Mahomes in a game in which I think Jimmy G will win. We've got, believe it or not, our next Jimmy Garapolo. He is available. There's a team poised to get him and we'll tell you who it is next. Hour 2 coming up.

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This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. It is a beautiful, slightly windy day today. It's freaking out our makeup people and our hair people because my hair is all over the place. And my takeaway is, listen, the fact that I have it in my mid-50s, we should just celebrate it flying all over the place. It looks great. They take great care of us. They're doing amazing work.

The fact that I have it, you should not spray anything on it and let it fly all over the place. And so people can just see it and say, wow, I can't believe he still has hair. Do you claim that people ask you if it's a hair piece all of that. I've had a lot of people ask me, and I say, I do wear an autumnal hair piece in the fall. You do not. But the rest of the year, this is my gray hair. okay with it. All right, it's great to have you in today. Bill Romanowski's going to stop by, a friend of mine, four Super Bowl appearances and rings, had dinner with him the other night. He tells

great stories. James Jones of the Packers coming up. He's Aaron Rogers, buddy. Love to get Aaron on the show. Whatever. Also, a lot of Cleveland Browns in town. You're all welcome on the show. Jarvis Landry Baker. You're always welcome on my show. You know that. We can argue. We can still be friends. I like arguing. I'm all for arguing. That's kind of what we do every day. I don't want to argue about this, though. Okay, a couple years ago, Pat in the back, we told you, Jimmy Garoppolo was out there, and we said, I don't understand it.

The guy won in college. Belichick loves him. Belichick's ready to replace Brady with Garapolo. Garopolo's like 2 and O'Noe in New England. I watched him play in like 11 different quarters, and I'm like, oh, I don't somebody go out and get Jimmy Garoppel. Then the smartest young coach in football, Kyle Shanahan goes out, gets him, pays him a fortune before he'd won really any games.

And so we got another one out there. I'm reading the story of the small. morning where pro football talk says Drew Breeze is 50-50. And what they'd like to do with Drew Bruce in New Orleans is Drew come back for one year. It's a transition year into Taysam Hill. And what does that mean? It means that Teddy Bridgewater is not the future of New Orleans and he is the next Jimmy Garoppolo. Oh, Colin, he's not as good as Jimmy Garoppolo. Excuse me. Let's go back and look, wasn't it Jimmy Garoppolo that won in New England, but you said, yeah, it was the people around him? Well, Teddy Bridgewater was 17 and 11 in Minnesota got a team to a playoffs, and we thought

it was the people around him. Well, I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo only had a couple of starts in San Francisco. He may be 5 and 0. Oh, that's exactly what Bridgewater was this year, 5 and 0 in New Orleans, with very few starts because Breeze came back. So the record of Teddy Bridgewater is 22 and 12, He's a winner. Wasn't that what we said about Jimmy Garoppolo? By the way, Teddy Bridgewater, Garoppolo, 6-2, good arms, not great, can move a little, but not super freaks as athletes. One one at the end of the first round, one at the beginning of the second round.

Their coaches, geniuses, legends, Belichick, Sean Peyton, love both. Love both, but have had other people in mind. And, oh, by the way, both have a little injury history. Garoppolo got hurt. Do you want to give him that money? Bridgewater got hurt at practice. Do you want to give him that money? Teddy Bridgewater, like Garoppolo, is a high completion percentage guy, good arm not great, athletic but not a freak, has an injury, and has been coached recently by a legend.

Go get him. And I'll give you the team that should go get him. Carolina is at number seven. Three teams in the draft, Carolina needs a quarterback, right? Whether they keep Cam or not, they need a quarterback eventually, right? So Miami's taking a quarterback. Cincinnati's taking a quarterback and the charges are taking a quarterback. So you're going to have to give up a lot of picks to jump those teams. Go get Teddy Bridgewater. And like Garapolo, pay him a lot of money, like 25 million a year, which sounds like it's a lot until you look at the rest of the NFL and real like Garapolo's contract.

Now you realize you got a discount. Bridgewater knows the division, knows the Saints, high IQ, accurate grown up, which you'll need if Cam is moved out of town. you're going to need a stabilizer and a mature quarterback to take over a franchise. They've got Matt Ruhl, Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel. They got all the pieces. All they need in Carolina is a grown-up who's a precision passer that can get the ball to all the really good young pieces. It's Teddy Bridgewater, who's better than a third of the league starters. 22 and 12, you got him. He's the next Garoppolo.

He's staring at you right now. All right. And with that, it's time for, we don't know. about once twice a year. Another edition, a Super Bowl edition of two truths and a lie. Joy will give me all Super Bowl related, two truths and a lie. You're going to give me three things. One of them about these Super Bowl participants is not true,

and I have no idea which one it is. Here we go. Okay, let's start with Patrick Mahomes, quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs. Jersey number is his college number and his draft pick. his godfather is LaTroy Hawkins or he was nicknamed Kermit by his teammates because of his voice.

Which one of those is a lie? The obvious one would be Kermit, so I'll just go with that one to start. That is a lie, yes. All right, I got that one right. That was an easy one. You're easing me into this. Yeah, he was not called Kermit in college. No.

All right. Jimmy Garapolo, he started as a running back, starred in local commercials as a child local commercials as a child played soccer in high school which one of those is a lie played soccer in high school wrong

he starred in local commercials as a child was a lie I thought that was the most true that seemed obvious the handsomeness confused you yeah that was the easy one I thought no he played soccer in high school all right Travis Kelsey he starred in a reality

show looking for love. He lettered for three years as a quarterback in high school. He was runner up on dancing with the stars. Which one is a lie? I know he was on TV for something. Well, two of those are TV options. I don't think he starred

in a reality show looking for love. Incorrect. He was not a runner up for dancing with the stars. He was on a reality show looking for love. What was the show called? It was called Chasing Kelsey. Was that what it was called? Chasing Kelsey. I got to watch more TV.

I just watch sports and politics. I'm sorry about that. George Kittle. His favorite restaurant is Panda Express. He knows every Rihanna song by heart or he almost left football to pursue professional wrestling, which one is a lie. He knows every Rihanna song by heart.

Every Rihanna song by heart. That's false. No. He does know every Rihanna song by heart. He did not almost leave football to pursue professional wrestling. Although I do think he could be an excellent professional. So far, two more left. I'm not doing well.

Okay, two troops and a lie. Big Rihanna fan. All right, Andy Reid spent his summers working as a vendor at Dodger Stadium. He is from Los Angeles. His Tara Reid, the actress, is his niece. Really? He sold his Eagles gear at a yard sale after taking the chief shop. Which one of those is a lie?

The third one, sold his Eagle gear at a yard sale. Nope. Nope. You're not doing well at this game. Tara Reid is not his niece. He did, in fact, sell his Eagles gear at a yard sale after taking a chief job. What an interesting yard sale that must have been at the Reed home. Don't drive by that yard sale.

You don't know if it's Andy Reed selling gear. All right. Finally, Richard Sherman. He has a pet lion. He cries every time he watches the Titanic or he once showed up to rookie practice on a jet ski. Which one of those is alive? There is no way he has a pet lion. Correct.

I don't think it is legal to own a pet lion. Although I'm sure people have tried, he does not own a pet lion. But he does cry every time he watches Titanic. I understand that. I cry every time I watch Armageddon. So sad. Really? Yes.

That's not a sad movie. It's so sad. He saves the world and he loses his daughter and, you know, the song, the Aerosmith song. It's weird about movies because I think... Stay awake. I have no voice. I'm singing like... If I said to you, Mrs.

Mrs. Doubtfire, drama or comedy? Comedy. Okay. Remember I used to make the argument? Greatest comedy ever made was Mrs. Doubtfire. The funniest comedy ever made. It's literally as funny at the end as it is at the beginning. Mrs. Doubtfire.

It's strong. I don't know. Some people think it's a drama. I'm like, what? Well, I mean, some of the best of the car. The scene when his face falls off goes on the street and they drive over it in a Mack truck's the funniest scene in the history of movies. It's the funniest scene I've ever seen in the movie. You didn't cry during Armageddon?

Not really. It's so sad. He saves everyone, sends his daughter's fiancé back to Earth. No, no. Not really. Around the corner, James Jones, he's sitting in that Lowe's green room. I am going to get after him regarding his faithful admiration of Aaron Rogers and the Packers. I think they bail in the postseason and don't bring it.

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Nine years in the NFL, eight in Green Bay, won a Super Bowl. Let's bring him on now with the NFL Network. James Jones, NFL Network analyst is joining us. San Jose State to the NFL to Super Bowl. By the way, you know, I know Aaron's never going to come on this show and he's your buddy. He gets a little sensitive with criticism. We're starting off just like that, huh? Well, I mean, I'm going to get right after it.

He doesn't love me. I'm okay with that. Not all quarterbacks do. Kevin Durant is a star, but a little sensitive. Aaron can be a little sensitive. I don't know if you are. Why do you think? I'm not sensitive. You're not really sensitive. Aaron is a little sensitive. Why do you think it is? I mean, I don't know what you mean by sensitive, man. I mean, when you guys say crazy stuff on TV, he might, you know, say a little comment or something like that.

That might be sensitive or something. But, I mean, I joke with Aaron all the time. When it comes to the guys in the locker room, you can't be sensitive. So if you are going to be sensitive, then stay out the joke and don't even come over here hanging around us and Aaron doesn't do that. He jokes with us. We joke with him. We own him. He on us. So I wouldn't never necessarily label him as sensitive. Were you surprised how both times they played San Francisco? It wasn't that physically competitive? No, I'm not surprised at all. You know, I thought that when the first time they played them and they got beat up, I said, okay, usually

you get a second punch at somebody, you know, it's usually a different game. And then we've seen what happened the second time too. And as I was sitting there on the couch watching the game, I said this season, the San Francisco 49ers is just a better football team than the Packers, period. However you want to look at it, whatever you want to put into play, quarterback position, receivers, D-line, whatever you want to put this season, they were just a better team, and that's why they're here at this game. James Jones, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. So when you go back, it's interesting.

You see, you play at San Jose State. You guys probably had, you know, 7,000 people home games. Then you go to the Packers, and then you're in the Super Bowl. Bill Romanowski's on later. he talks about the first Super Bowl, the first quarter, he goes. It was flash bulbs, and I don't remember anything. The first series I was lost. San Jose State, overachiever.

Get to the NFL. Boom, you're in a Super Bowl. Was it overwhelming? It was, man, especially when you win a Super Bowl, like for me, you just started thinking about all the stuff that you've been through, all the stuff you've been through to get there, and then you're standing there, the confetti is falling, and you're the best in the world,

and it's something that nobody can ever take away from you no matter what. They can say, hey, James with the San Jose State. He wasn't a good receiver. he dropped every ball, but he's a Super Bowl champion. And that's something that's always going to stick with you. And when we won it, I just thought about, you know, a lot of people know I grew up homeless. So I just thought about all the stuff that I've been through, man, a homeless kid, on the biggest stage, everybody watching, and I'm a Super Bowl champion, and I won.

It was a great feeling. When you were at, how old were you when you were homeless? I was homeless from fresh out the hospital to 15. And at your lowest point, did you see a way out? But what was keeping you day to day? What was keeping you going? My mom. I always told my mom that even when I was seven years old,

I told her, look, I'm going to make it to the National Football League, get you buy you a house, get you out of here, man, we're not going to be homeless no more. And she's looking at me like, boy, go over there and do your homework, get out here, go play with your toys. What is you talking about? But it just was a dream of mine, man. And what kept me going was my mom.

And, you know, anytime I came to any adversity, I said, man, I'm not just doing this for me. I'm doing it for my mom. And anybody knows if you're just doing it for you, it's easy to quit. But when you're doing it for somebody else, you grind harder. And my main motivation when I was younger was to get my mom out of the situation we was in. And then when I got to the National Football League, everybody's like, dang, how are you hanging on for so long?

I had kids. So it was a different motivation then. They will never go through what I went through. I got to provide for them. So my mom when I was young, and then as I got in the NFL, it became my kids. You went in the third round out of San Jose State. There was no guarantees you were going to make the team. Your first contract probably wasn't a ton of money contextually.

Do you remember making the team, the last cuts by the Turk? Do you remember your reaction to making the team? Absolutely. And it's crazy because I wasn't really nervous, you know, when cut days come around because I had a pretty good camp. And, you know, I heard coaches and all that players talking like, man, this player's good, this guy's good, James can really play. So I wasn't really worried because of the feedback I was getting.

But myself, I'm like, man, anything can happen. And then I'm seeing people that got drafted get cut, you know, first cuts out. I'm like, oh my goodness, this is a cut throw business. So I got a little bit of nervous, but as it got closer, I was like, man, as I seen all the moves that was happening, I'm like, I'm probably going to be here and make the team. But I wasn't satisfied. I knew I still had a lot of work to do. Far of one year, I believe. You played with Brett one year, and then you played Aaron for seven. Yes. You know, Green Bay is just an interesting situation. So the year you guys won the Super Bowl, it was interesting. If I recall, you had dealt with some

injuries. A lot of them. You were really good that year. And I remember at the end of the year, we always go back and look at the schedule. And after you won the Super Bowl, I went on the air and I said, you know, we should have predicted this because you didn't have any bad losses, despite the fact I think he lost eight starters. Go back to that Green Bay year. Was there any doubt? Because I recall at one point, you were losing close games near the middle of the season. No, it was never any doubt. Now, the reason why it wasn't any doubt is even though we lost eight starters, that year, the roster was packed. We had so much talent. So if you lost a guy like Donald Driver, a Greg Jennings, a Jordy Nelson, a James Jones was there to step up and fill a Donald Driver's shoes.

And we just had so much depth on both sides of the ball on offense and defense. So when a guy went down, it was like, okay, let's go. You know, it's your turn. You've been waiting on this. Let's go make some plays. And every time that happened, a new guy stepped up that we knew could make plays. that we knew was waiting on this opportunity. And as we started rolling, we won our last two games

to get in the playoffs. And that's when we started getting our mojo. And we were walking into buildings in the playoffs, man, we walked into Philly. And we were like, man, there's no way this team has beating us. Then we walked into the 13 and 3 Atlanta Falcons. And we like, they are in trouble. They do not know what it's about.

That's just how confident we were. And you could feel it and see it in everybody getting off the bus. Like, man, it is about to be a problem for whoever we play. And then you go and you play Pittsburgh And frankly, I don't think there was a ton of doubt there. Because when that game was over, I felt, oh, Green Bay is absolutely the best team.

Yeah, we're watching. And when we got to the Super Bowl, we're watching film. And you see the Troy Palomalus and you see the Ryan Clarks. You see all these guys that they got on the defense. But we're looking like, all we got over here, they have no chance to stop us. And then we kind of seen Troy Palomalu. Congratulations going into the Hall of Fame. But we kind of seen him slowing down.

And we're like, man, we are all young. we are hey this is a track game for us we're in dallas on this fast turf we're like we're going to make it hard on it man we just had confidence that we was going to win the game is it easy you were a fairly young guy is it easy to get distracted like a lot of players say you know you install your offense and then you got a five days to fight off the media was it tedious or were you enjoying the moment i was enjoying it i was young you know i'm thinking like man this is how it's supposed to be i'm in year four i don't went 13 to three nFC championship now i'm at the super bowl So I'm like, man, this football stuff is easy, man.

This is how it's supposed to be. So I was enjoying the moment. Obviously, when it got down to today, Wednesday, and you started putting in the game plans and all that type of stuff, it's like, okay, it's time to get focused, family, all the distractions. Hey, you guys go over there. We got a game to win. This is a real week now.

Okay, you had Mike McCarthy, and he won a lot of games in Green Bay, and then it just didn't work at the end. It's like any relationship. Yeah. You know, Pat Riley always says, after about 10 years, changed jobs, people just get tired of your voice. And, but I saw Troy Aikman said it yesterday. I like Mike.

I don't think he's the most creative offensive mind, but that's okay. Do you think he works in Dallas? What did you like about him? James, and what maybe he could improve at? I love everything about Coach Mike, man. And he don't really like it, but Coach Mike is a player's coach. I mean, he takes care of his players. I mean, you're going to go into the game fresh.

I mean, he loves his guys. And I was just talking in the back right now. I will not. And it hurts me to say this because, you know, I got Packers running through my blood and I would love to see them in this game next year. But I will not be surprised all the pieces that the Dallas Cowboys have and adding a Super Bowl coaching Coach Mike and me knowing the type of coach he is, I will not be surprised if they are at this game next year with Coach Mike. The offense that he runs, DAC is going to benefit off it. It's an uptempo offense. So you can't really bring a lot of exotic blitzes because we're going.

So you can get into all that tricky stuff if you want. We hike in the ball. We're going. He's never had a running back like 21 in the backfield in Zeke. Everybody wants to say, well, he doesn't run the ball. When we had Eddie Lacey, I felt like we ran the ball too much. I mean, Eddie Lacey had 1,200-something yards. We were running the ball.

They have a big-time offensive line, two good receivers on the outside and Gallup and Coop. If you could get Randall Cobb back in the slot who came on strong with Dak, I mean, this is a very scary team, and we know what they got on the defensive side of the ball. So with Coach Mike, knowing the type of coach Mike is how he came and changed that whole Green Bay Packer, organization and people are really not talking about that because of what happened to last year he was there but he's a special coach and i'm not surprised if they end up here next year by the way mohomes has a little erin rogers and far yeah a little bit i mean when i see him i i there's a little bit right oh he's special man he's special um people always ask me man would you rather play with erin or

would you rather play with patrick mahomes i'm like man listen aaron was my guy erran's my quarterback but when you're playing with a quarterback of that type caliber as a wide receiver you're never covered the db could be in perfect position you're like you're in perfect position you're But the reason why they are special and why they make the big bucks is they can put the ball in any spot they want to put the ball, whether it's side arm, whether it's pressure in their face, whether it's rolling out of the pocket. These guys' arm talent is special. And every time I took the field playing with Aaron Rogers, I never felt like I was covered. They could have treated me like a gunner like people did Calvin Johnson. And I would have felt like Aaron could put this ball in the spot to where I can catch it. And that's the same thing again from Patrick Martin. Do you remember that because you get drafted and far of it. is still the starter for a year. Do you remember the first throw Aaron made to you at a practice, and you went, oh, my gosh.

Clear as day. He threw me a bang post in practice. Al Harris was on me, and he threw it right behind Al Harris, and I was able to catch the ball. And after I caught it, me and Alborch turned around, and he was like, man, this kid going to be special. And I'll never forget, as a rookie, we had Robert Ferguson there at the time. So it was Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, and Robert Ferguson,

the starters. And me and Aaron were on the second team taking all the reps. And the very first preseason game, the coach comes up to me and he was like, you're going with the starters playing in the game. You're going with Brett. And I'm like, no, I do not want to go with Brett. Because number one, I know Brett ain't going to throw it to me. He's going to throw it to Greg or Donald. And I said, number two, I've been in the huddle. I know how special Aaron is. And we've been getting chemistry with the twos. I said, coach, I do not want to go with the starters. Do not put me in there. I want to go with the twos. He didn't listen. He put me in there with the starters, but I did talk him into when Aaron came in the game to let me stay in there and run some

plays with him, and I was able to do good. But man, we knew it right off top. The defense knew it. The guys that were competing against him in practice knew it that when it's this kid's turn, he's going to be special. I remember watching him Cal at USC at USC at the Coliseum. Aaron had a little more rigid style. He kept the ball. I remember watching Aaron, and I remember people telling me they're like this kid because USC always had big quarterbacks and people were like, Aaron had a great. In fact, if I recall Aaron completed like 22 or 23. Yeah. I was I remember being at a wedding in Troutdale, Oregon, on a small TV at a wedding. And I'm like, I got to watch the USC play Cal.

And Rogers is just mowing the ball down the field. First time I saw him. Well, you love your story. You're on the NFL Network, 7 Eastern NFL Network called NFL Total Access. James, good seeing you again. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for having. All right.

Joy with the news. Is the herd line news sponsored by Mercedes Betts, the best or nothing. And we know Tom Brady has a big decision to make in free. agency this year and Rob Garnkowski thinks Brady has earned the right to explore his options. I truly believe that, you know, he deserves an opportunity to go explore to see what's out there. I mean, he's been playing for so long and just the way that he's been playing, just the level he's been playing at. I mean, he definitely deserves an opportunity to go out there and test the market. That's the decision that he has to make is what's best for himself, what's best for his family,

what he feels like he's going to love. So that's all up to time. And he's a grown man and he'll be able to make that decision on his own. He also said, why wouldn't you? He's never done it before in his career. This is the first time he's going to be a free agent. Where was this interview at? Was it media or something?

Rob's no longer playing, right? So we're not interviewing. It's almost like a media thing with him. And he just wanted to comment on Fox Media Day. Oh, all right. That's what it was. All right. He works for us.

There it is. That explains everything. I mean, he could have been doing interview for someone else. but he's right. Tom should explore it, even if he's not going to leave. I don't like to hear that. Here's the thing. And look, Tom's going to handle it however he wants to handle it.

But why, what do you mean you don't want to hear that? Listen, I want to see it, nice Derek Jeterish, bow on it, sea crest out. There's no reason to see him in a charger uniform. Listen, me personally, after taking pay cut, after pay cut, and having no receiver, this year and then having patients fans boo me in the playoffs. And that was pretty rough. I might be a little inclined to take a few dates. Booing Tom Brady.

That's like I remember one time somebody, Mariano Rivera for like, had a kind of a scrappy end of his career. He had a couple bad performances. And somebody booed, he got booed Mariano Rivera. And I remember listening to talk show host in New York saying, okay, we've broken a barrier. You can't boo. Mariano Rivera.

No, you just have to say, thanks for 16 great years. The rest of it will close our eyes when you're struggling. No, there's just a level of ungrateful there that is just staggering. I mean, obviously, look, Tom Brady is not that sensitive, but I do think he is going to explore a little bit. So the Texans didn't have a GM in 2019 after firing Brian game last June. And instead, head coach Bill O'Brien had control the direction of the organization. And now the team has made it official.

And O'Brien will be both the head coach. and GM in 2020. Jack Easterby was also promoted to Executive Vice President of Football Operations and the owner, Kyle McNair, said this is the way we've been operating for the last eight months. Now, it's not like they're a dysfunctional organization, but you continue to kind of reach this ceiling.

And I feel like you got to make a change if that's the situation. If I told you there's a playoff team this year that won't make it next year, it would not be the Titans. it would be the Texans. Really? Because I would go with the Titans. Well, we know half these playoff teams won't make it.

That's just the way the NFL is. Right. I'll tell you right now, Houston's not making the playoffs next year. Organizationally, they can't keep, by the way, Tennessee's for real. Vrable can coach. I think the Colts will finally get a quarterback. Nothing against Houston. They don't have a first round pick this year.

I'm not sure if they have one next year. They don't have a first or a second next year, I'm being told. Houston, I think Houston had a very brief window, despite DeShon. I think the window is shrinking and closing. And that's so frustrating because Deshawn Watson is a star. It's so fun to watch. And it would be great to see him in a game like this weekend. But yeah, I just feel like they constantly just keep hitting,

hitting their heads on the ceiling. And they don't, they're stubborn to not make a change like that. It's to delegate a little bit. What's the purpose of having Bill O'Brien run everything? First of all, it's hard enough to be a coach. Right. Mike Holgren's a great coach. He tried to be coach GM.

He whiffed. Belichick's biggest liability, Bill the GM, not as good as Bill the coach. You can't be great at everything, and why would you want to be? There's not enough time in the day to be great at all that stuff. Some guys love control. That's what it is. Finally, the Redskins have the second overall pick and could draft the top player this year,

but Peter King says a team may have other plans on draft day. I had somebody who was at the Senior Bowl told me flat out that the Washington Redskins could remake their franchise this year by dealing the second pick in the draft. Wow. And look, if you believe that Chase Young is Lawrence Taylor, you're not trading that pick. You're swallowing hard and taking the pick. But just imagine if it is kind of the RG3 trade in reverse. Can you imagine if you go down to number five or number seven and get three ones?

And that's certainly possible when you look at the top 10 teams that are picking in the first draft. Washington is willing to trade their number two pick. Why wouldn't you be? If you're going to stick with Dwayne Haskins, I mean, obviously, look, Chase Young is an incredible player, but as Peter King says, do we know if he's going to be Lawrence Taylor? If you have the ability, if you're the Washington Redskins, to move back to five or seven,

say the dolphins or the Panthers want to move up. Belichick coach Lawrence Taylor, watch New England move up. To get Chase Young? I don't know. All I know is I think there's going to be a lot of movement in this draft. Mainly it's because there's so many teams that need quarterbacks. And you have Burrow, you have to, you have Justin Herbert. And the top 10 picks are Bengals, Redskins, Lions, Giants, obviously, the dolphins and Chargers and Panthers are a lot of teams that are picking in the top 10 that need a quarterback.

And really, I think it's the dolphins that are going to move aggressively because they have such a draft hall this year. So it'll be interesting. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. You know, it's funny because these NFL drafts, I always root for mayhem. We always root for, like, you know, tire fires a little bit.

This draft has a potential. If I was the New York Giants, I would absolutely move down. I've got my quarterback. I've got my star running back. I can see the New York Giants moving down. Two teams behind the Giants both need quarterbacks. If I'm Washington and I have my quarterback, you could get a haul for Chase Shem. I'm telling you, there are teams.

There's three things in this league that there's a shortage of. quarterbacks, pass rushers, and left tackles. I mean, there's not, there's like every generation, there's three great left tackles playing at one time. You got a lot of these guys, by the way, Tyron Smith, Andrew Whitworth

are not long for the league now, two, three years. Oh boy, I love it. You get me in this draft talk. You get so excited. Bill Romanowski, four Super Bowls. Man, that guy can tell stories. He is tough. He joins us coming up next. Folks, our friends at Decovis, an Austin, Texas-based company, Austin, Texas, Decovis Boots,

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You went here with a Mike Shanahan team, a Bill Walsh team, a George Seafurt team. You told me one time your first quarter of the first Super Bowl you were in. there was a lot of flash bulbs, and you don't remember a lot of it, Bill Romanovski. Turn his mic on, guys. That literally, I had to go back and watch the tape to see what happened. And that had never happened to be before.

It was so intense. Not that you blacked out, but. I didn't black out. It was just the game was too, it was too much. Oh, it was fast. It was really fast, really intense. And, hey, you know, we're playing Cincinnati bagels and they're pounding the football against us.

and I'm taking on blocks from every direction and making plays. But I literally had to go back and say, how did I do on these plays? Where always in a football game, I knew if I was on point or if I made a mistake. And I did not know for a few plays in that game. Okay, so let's talk. You went into a Super Bowl. We have Kyle Shanahan, the young guru, the genius, and Andy Reed, the old offensive sage. So you went to a Super Bowl with three different coaches.

Let's start with Mike Shanahan. What's the word you think of? Mike Shanahan, it was focus and intensity. I'll give you two words. Okay. So with Mike, no messing around during the week. No, there was none of that, none of that. But I'll give you this.

The complete opposite, I think, is Bill Walsh. And you didn't bring him up. But Bill Walsh wanted to make you laugh. And he would keep it a little bit light. And then he would give you an emotional nugget to think about. And here's, I'll give you an example. Thursday. It was red light, green light on Thursdays.

Bill Walsh would, and it was all about how the practice went. So he would look over to Tommy Hart, who is the assistant defensive line coach, and he'd say, Tommy, red light or green light tonight. Because there were all these references about fights. You know, Bill Walsh loved fighters, okay, boxers. And red light mean no sex. Green light means you can have sex. And literally, that's what ended our Thursday practices.

Was Tommy, how was it? Red light green light. And we had the red light Thursday, Thursday before the Super Bowl. So Bill kept it light. Shanahan was intense. Yes. Now, you know, it's funny. You and I had dinner the other night.

I don't think it's Andy Reed against Kyle Shanahan. I think it's Andy Reed against Kyle Shanahan and a little Mike mixed in because you know this. Mike is still around the Niners a little bit. Yes. I think, you know, he shared with me. He watches real time meetings. He watches every practice. He's right on.

So for Kyle to have your dad as a guy who had won three Super Bowls, two as a head coach, one as an offensive coordinator, why would you not want to, you know, consult with your dad? This is a guy that's done it. I mean, coaches are always bouncing things off of their coaches during the week. Why wouldn't he give a call to his dad and say, hey, dad, what do you think? Now, why not? Because Mike Shanahan, arguably one of the best play callers in NFL history. Oh, God, yes.

And now his son has pretty much taken on that same reputation. Yeah, real smart guys. You know, you really are lucky. You may have, intellectually, you may have been coached. You could make the argument that three smartest coaches in my life are Belichick, Walsh, and Shanahan. Yes. And I'm not taken away anything from anybody. No.

But intellectually, the gold's day. And by the way, people think you're a tough guy, but you were an overachiever, a fighter, and you liked the intellectual part of games. Absolutely. To me, it was all about the detail. You know, so yeah, I was going to, you know, watch film. But getting into a game, getting ready for a game, the mental part of that and also the physical part, the detail of I was doing power cleans an hour before the game to get my.

nervous system jacked up ready to go because I knew from Olympic track stars if they did not warm up properly the day before and before they ran the hundred it's the difference between running nine eight or ten one so because of that the detail of fine-tuning your game all the way down to an hour before what you were going to do physically hey by then the hay was in the barn. I was mentally was ready to go. I love his stories. Bill Romanowski, four rings.

So when you go, and a pro bowler, by the way, multiple times, you play Mahomes is a different cat. I mean, there's, but you played against more than, you played against Elway. Yes. Did you play against anybody else that was a little like Mahomes? Maybe Brett Farve, you could say. he had that ability when he was out of the pocket. Steve McNair? Steve McNair probably single-handedly

when I was at the Raiders in the AFC championship game, he literally tried to win that game by himself. And it was our 11 guys on defense against Steve McNair, and we won out. For the record, when you're on a team that you physically feel is superior. So you've played a lot of games. games in your life and you were often, you were brought to teams because you were a physical force. I think of Kansas City as a talented team. I think of San Francisco as a physical team.

Yes. When you're in a game and it's the octagon and you feel like I have a physical advantage, does it matter in a game of this magnitude? Absolutely. In the trenches, that physicality of making them feel every hit. You know, to me, it's every kickoff. It's every punt. You know, it's making them feel you on every play. And it's all the way down to the guy that's running down on special teams. Because in big games like this, sometimes special teams is the difference between winning

and losing. But that physicality in the trenches, you feel it. And you do not want them pounding the ball against you when you're playing defense over and over. Here it comes. Hey, I had to play against the bus, those Pittsburgh Steelers teams,

AFC Championship, pound, pound, pound. And I'm just like, oh, not another one. Not another one. Okay, I'm going low on them this time. Right. You know, if you go back to the NFL, it was a much more, I mean, listen, let's be honest, life is better now than it's ever been for most Americans.

It's better now. We eat better, we train better. I mean, there's difficulties for everybody, but I mean, poverty rates have gone down. Medical applications, there's more. When you look at the NFL today, where would Bill Romanowski have fit? Because, you know, Bill, sometimes you could hit just a little high.

Yes. Would you fit in today's game? I would have fit really well because I could cover. and I could run. Where I wouldn't have fit is I was a head hitter. I started when I was 10 years old playing football and I was taught to hit with my helmet. taught to hit with my head right here.

And I flew around and I was being fine in the late 90s, early 2000s, because of hits with my head. So fast forward to this game now, focusing on hitting a guy, when those receivers, those running backs are pretty darn fast these days. And thinking I could focus on hitting them with a shoulder versus it was everything in my might to be able to get some of these guys down that I played against,

like a Barry Sanders, which stands out early in my career. So I focused to hit them right and go through them with my head. Yeah. Barry Sanders is a tough got to tackle. Oh, he was. Did he ever make you look bad? Oh, he made everybody look bad. Yeah, he did, didn't he?

Yeah. Yeah, I talked to Chris Spielman one time at practice said, I would literally, he was the only player. Chris Spielman was a great player. Great college player. Yes. He said, I would count how far back he was in the running back line. I'd be like, one, two, three, four.

And he goes, I never in practice. He said, I'd just step aside and go right behind again. Nobody wanted him in practice to be embarrassed by him. All right, Bill Romanowski, four rings, Nutrition53.com. They have a two-for-one sale right now. He brought us. amazing smoothies. Nutrition 53.com from Smoothie King, which is a southern-based, uh,

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Couldn't take the Ferris wheels. Stops at the top and I was afraid of heights. Are you still afraid of heights? Not really. Not that much. I jumped. I've done some bungee jumping and, uh... What?

Yeah. Yeah, I've done a little, I'm not going to skydive, but I've done some bungee jumping and I'm okay with it. And I ski and I'm flying down hills and I was skiing. Can't picture you. Do you ski at all? I've been skiing once. It was a terrifying.

experience. I love skiing. Just a lot of fun. You know, it's a little cold, but I just love flying as fast as I can go. Great to have you in Hour 3. One of my favorite people in the world, Dave Wonstat, coached the Miami Dolphin, Chicago Bears, a Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnson. He's a great storyteller. Dave knows everybody. In my lifetime, I've never met anybody in football. He'll be joining us in about 12, 15 minutes that knows and is connected to more people

than Dave Wonstat, who does radio in Chicago and TV. in Chicago and Miami, and he'll be joining us here. I request that he lives on the other side of the state over in Naples, where I used to have a place, and I sold it about the time he was moving in, and a funny story. So one time I'm telling Dave wants that, I said, you know, I love going to Naples. My wife just loves it. They got this bar there I love called Handsome Harries.

And Dave goes, yeah, I'm co-owner of it. I'm like, world small? What? He owned the bar. My favorite bar was called Handsome Harries. and eventually they sold it and did whatever, but he'll be joining us in 15 minutes. Former Dolphin Bear Coach, Super Bowl stories,

great guy, he'll be joining us. Coach Wants, that's one of my favorite people in the world. Yeah, so I saw a story that came over yesterday, and it said a chief owner Clark Hunt says Patrick Mahomes' extension is probably a year away. And, you know, it's, I often take advice from older people and smarter people than me. And Jerry Jones has one of my favorite quotes of all time. And Jerry Jones talked about this, and he said, I've only in my life of doing business, ever regretted it when I went cheap on stuff. If something's great, spend the money.

Russell Wilson, spend the money. Carson Wentz, spend the money. Patrick Mahom, spend the money. Three things in the world I'll never go cheap on. Transportation, toilet paper, and quarterbacks. You never want to be in a bathroom and go, wow, nobody's winning. here. Don't go cheap on toilet paper. Don't ever, don't ever, you know, you go and you go on a night's vacation, you've gone on a vacation, you go to Hawaii, and you're like, it would have cost $27 more

a night to get a partial view of the water. You're in Hawaii. You don't want to look at a parking garage. You want to look at the water with your beautiful wife or girlfriend or whatever. So transportation, toilet paper and quarterbacks, just pay the money. There are things I'd save money on. I'm not going to spend a lot of money for vodka. I mean, they're just trying to distill the taste out of it. It's potatoes. Yeah, there's no real taste. Don't listen to anybody. Gray Goose costs more than kettle one because it comes in a frosted bottle. That's it. And I like vodka. Advil. It's aspirin. What do I care? I've got a headache, pop and in, I'm fine. Bottled water. Again, really comes from Switzerland, comes from the local pond.

It really doesn't matter. It's water. I'm healthier drinking it. I'm not saving a dollar on quarterbacks. By the way, running backs, you can save money on. I'll give you an example. Here are the running backs in Sunday's Super Bowl. These are the running backs. Matt Brita, Tevin Coleman, Rahim Moster, and Kyle Uscheck, Damien Williams, and Darwin Thompson. You can save a little money on running back. Sequin Barclay didn't make the playoffs. Zeke didn't make the playoffs.

Adrian Peterson, most of his career, didn't make the playoffs. There's a lot of ways to save money in the NFL with a salary cap. I would always love three running backs over one star running. back, but in terms of quarterback, just spend the money. It hurts initially, but like Jerry Jones says, it's like real estate, it's like anything else. It hurts initially, but you look back and you're like, it's great, pay for great. Certain things you've got to pay for. Vodka, let's go buy kettle on it. It's the same as great. Goose just doesn't have a cool bottle. All right, so we did this at the top of the show, and we got a lot of feedback on this

that I think the first time I saw this was there was a comedian on David Letterman, and they did this thing with his face where he was talking about Seth Rogan and Tom Cruise and they morphed his face and so I said that is awesome and could we ever do that because so often when I'm doing shows

I'm trying to kind of talk through people and this morning the news came out that Dante Scarnacia is retiring as the offensive line coach for the New England Patriots and I really do think we just came out of the decade of the dynasty. Alabama football, Yukon women's basketball, Serena Williams, the Golden State Warriors, and the Patriots, and age, and sometimes ego and injuries,

is sort of ending all of them. Serena is still good, but not as intimidating. New England's still relevant, but not fear. Same with Alabama. Didn't make the playoff this year. So the run is over. Scarnicchio now announces he's retiring. I think the most valuable non-coordinator in the NFL as a coach. He's just an all-timer. So the end is near for Tom Brady, who probably has one, maybe two years left. And I was sitting talking about this,

you know, last week with a staff. And I said, what's remarkable about the New England Dynasty is that it simply lasted this long. I mean, dynasties don't last forever. I mean, Kevin Durant and Steph, you thought it was great? It's over.

It's over before it starts. We thought the Rams, fastest show on turf, was going to last forever. all, one thing about dynasties, they all last much quicker. The Seahawks, much quicker than we think. This one's lasted 20 years. So it is now getting tense and prickly. Tom wants to play and make money, and Bill wants to find the next Tom and doesn't want to pay him. And so I thought I'd replay what I played in the first hour. And for our radio audience, you want to go to digital and watch this. It's our first edition of Trading Faces, Belichick and Brady.

Colin spends most of his time talking about your favorite football stars. I mean, Baker's gotten two coaches fired already. But today, he's talking as them. You don't play? You don't know it. This is trading faces. You know that Belichick and Brady at some point have sat down. Bill's having soup. Tom's leaving practice and spent three or four minutes talking about this potentially being

the year he leaves. And you know what Bill's saying. Tommy, I love you. You know, you've sacrificed. We totally respect that. But this is about winning. We've also made a sacrifice. We were going to replace you with Jimmy Garoppolo. He's very good looking. And not that you aren't good looking, but he's very good looking. And we didn't. We shipped him out of town. So we've been good to you. You know, and Tom Brady, you got to give him credit. The guy has taken, you know, some real pay cuts. And Brady's going to say, Coach, I don't mind taking pay cuts, but I got nothing out here. I got rookie wide receivers. You didn't address gronk.

I got hockey scores on the desk here. I got nothing. You got to give me something to work with. What do I have? Where's all the money going? Are you guys sending the money offshore? Tommy, that's not how we do it. We love you here.

We just, we can't go to $35 million. You're looking at Patrick Mahomes. You're looking at Russell Wilson. You're looking at Lamar Jackson. The game has changed. You're looking a little bit, you know, more like a Philip Rivers or an Eli-Manning. Andy Dalton. And we love you.

And at that point, Tom's done. Tom's like Andy Dalton, the beige water pistol. I'm Andy Dalton. Is that what you're saying? I can't handle this. This has been another edition of Trading Faces. Now back to the herd. Sorry if I freaked everybody out.

You freaked me out at the beginning of the show. I was like, who is that person sitting in Collins Seas? You know, you did it. You know what? I may have done a Baker Mayfield Kevin Stefansky trading faces. That may air tomorrow.

That relationship's going to be interesting. That is. That's going to be an interesting dynamic. A couple of smart guys. Got young guy a little volatile, new coach. May have another edition of this coming up tomorrow.

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She loves Chicago and Naples, Florida. You got places in both. Dave drove across Alligator Alley. with his wife, Jan, to join us today because you're a great. You had an incredible career. So, first of all, you coached at the University of Miami with Jimmy Johnson. And those were the craziest. Those were, college football was better when they were around.

And then you went with Jimmy to Dallas. And in four years, you went from the worst team in the league, the one of Super Bowl with Troy Eichman. And then you went Bears, Dolphins, head coached. You coached at Pitt. So I want to talk about the you. Okay, so your last year, it was incredible, right? Yeah, it was incredible.

polarizing your last year, tell the story how you were so good. Before you got the cowboy job, you were so good. How good was your defense? Tell me about the bowl game. Well, the team itself, that was the game that we went for two, convicts versus the Catholic. Right. That was that year, and we didn't make the two-point conversion.

And Notre Dame was one. West Virginia, I believe, was two. We were number three in a country playing Nebraska. It was Turner Gill. I mean, ball game. Bowl game. Orange Bowl, right here in Miami. And we had, you know, Buddy Ryan at that time with the bear defense.

He was interested in which he ended up drafting Jerome Brown, one of our players there. God bless Jerome, a great player, great guy. And so Buddy Ryan came down and we, and Jimmy said, you can come down and visit with this, spend some time talking bare defense. So we grind on this bear defense, but we never used it. So we're into the Orange Bowl. Now we got a lot of time for preparation. And Jimmy and I were talking, he says,

maybe this is time let's let's pull the bear off, bear defense off the shelf. So we start the game against Nebraska. Turner Gill. They can't make a first down. I mean, it was really an impressive performance by our team. So here's the story. So now at halftime, usually Butch Davis was on the sidelines. He would win drop stuff.

I would come down, you know, talk to the defense before Jimmy talked to him and make corrections. So I said that Dave Campo sitting next to me, I said, who's the half? time entertainment here. And he says, the temptations. I said, my favorite group. So I, wait, wait. So I said to Jimmy, I said, hey, hey, I said, coach. And he says what? I said, you know what, these guys aren't going to score against us. I said, you know, the time I get through the crowd and get down there, it's so congested, you know, it's, I really don't have anything to say anyway. And he says, well, that's where we're at, we're good. So we get down and get a play the food. I'm listening to Temptations. My girl. And, you know, I think they kicked a field

goal at the end or something like that. But Bob, Don Cricky and Bob Trumpy were doing the game. And they walk by and they stop and they say, is everything okay? And I said, everything's great. You know, I think they had three first downs and the first half. He says, no, I mean, you're good. Is your job? Did you get fired? I said, oh, no. We just, you know, these guys aren't going to score. We just watch the temptations. And for 10 years, everywhere that Don Ricky and them were doing games, they would bring that story up. I mean, it was... Now, then you and Jimmy get the call.

Okay, you're going to be in Dallas with the Cowboys. Now, this would be, do you remember the minute the day that Jimmy said to you, we're going to be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys? Well, I was actually, I had taken a job with Coach Shula and the Dolphins. So I was seven weeks into my NFL career, coaching the Dolphins. And Jimmy called me, and we used to... we used to hang out at a little restaurant, Carlos and Peppies in Miami,

and a little bit of, you know, text, mechs and so forth. And we met down there, and he says, come on, Don, and he says, you know, this is like nobody knows this. We can't talk about this. But he said, do you remember that guy that used to come to our games in Oklahoma State? That roommate of mine, a teammate of mine,

I said, Jerry Jones, he said, yeah, he says, he's going to buy the Dallas Cowboys. I says, get out. And he says, you want to hear something, crazy than that? He says, I'm going to be the next coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I said, get the hell. He says, you want her something crazy? You're the new defensive coordinator.

So, it was wild. So you had to go to Don Shula. What did you say to him? I didn't say it worked. I told Jimmy, you've got to call Coach Shula and talk to him. I signed a one year to do. I was a linebacker coach. I wasn't a defense. So it was a move up. You know, it was a promotion. So you

go to Dallas, and again, revisionist history. Everybody thinks, oh, you guys were all stars. You were terrible to start. When you were one in 15, was there, was there ever a moment that you sat down and thought to yourself or told Jimmy, this isn't going to work? We're terrible. We used to go on jogs at lunchtime, and we still talk about this. And we would get more done as about a half of staff, just Jimmy's inner circle of guys. We had about five guys. And we would be walking back and talk game plan. It was all football talk. It was all game plan, strategy. And somebody made the comment, you know, we were like,

0 and 6 at the time. And seriously, someone brought up, you know, about we can win this week or we should be okay. And Jimmy said, okay, he said, you know, we better win some games or I'm going to be trying to get the Texas A&M job. You know, he said, they're going to run us out of this time. So then he brought up, we start saying, well, who on our team could we trade? We got to get players. And the guy that we came up with was Herschel Walker. I went back. I swear to God, this might have been noon. By 5 o'clock that night, Jimmy was walking. and he had two teams bidding for Hershal Walker, and he made the trade. I mean, incredible.

You got seven players, didn't you? Three number ones, three number twos, three number threes, three number threes. Oh, Lord. Oh, no. So it was, and Jimmy Johnson, you know, as exciting, excited as I am, and he knows how I feel about him getting into the Hall of Fame. Let me say this, that I really believe, as great a coach as Jimmy was, that Jimmy could have really got into the Hall of Fame from an executive standpoint.

I've had coaches tell me in general managers he may have been the best personnel guy as a coach ever. The NFL back then did not make trades. They did not swap picks. And when Jimmy went to Dallas, I mean, it really kind of, you know, made a transition as far as how NFL teams did it. And they got that chart, the trade value chart. You guys created it. Right. What's this pick worth?

Okay, they give us two threes for a two. Okay, it's 50 points. Oh, we need more points. So, I mean, there was just so much into building that team that I think gets slighted. It really does as far as what Jimmy did. And so more so deserving in both areas for really, you know, being in the Hall of Fame. Overdo. Overdo.

By the way, we talk about this all the time, Joy. You got a job at Miami the same time Mike Tomlin got a job in Pittsburgh. You won more games in the same period. He's still there. You got fired. That's the NFL. You actually had a very good first three years in Miami. Well, four years, I'll correct you, okay?

We average 10 wins a year. You know what? The expectations, you know, we win the division, and Ricky's leading the NFL, Williams and rushing, and we have a great defense, and in the expectations here, we're a Super Bowl. And, you know, every coach kind of has a window, and you've got to hit it big in that window. If you don't, things, they end.

It's as simple as that. Andy Reid, let's go to Andy. Andy, what, 21 years in the NFL? I mean, he's been very, he's done a great job, and he's extended his window longer than most coaches. You know what I mean? And now he's got an opportunity to get a ring. Think about this.

Pete Carroll fired twice, 7-9, 7-9 in Seattle, went into camp with Matt Flynn. Yeah. It was over. They draft Russell Wilson in the third round, beats Matt Flynn out at camp. Now Pete's considered a top five coach in the last 25 years. Absolutely.

You've got to get the quarterback right. Yeah, you've got to get the quarterbacks are a key. And I was personally hard-headed about that. I thought with Joy's brother, Jason, and that defense, Zach Thomas and Ricky running the ball, that we could manage with a quarterback and win a Super Bowl. But sooner or later, you get to the end and you've got to beat Brady and at that time, Peyton Manning to take the next step.

So this Super Bowl is similar to your first Super Bowl at Dallas. There's a lot of stars. I mean, Garoppolo and Mahomes and Tyree Kill. I mean, there's like Kittles a star. Travis Kelsey. Social media has made some of these guys. Like these are big boasas or rookies already, you know, barely in the league and he's been great. So give me a Super Bowl story.

I got a lot of them. Let me. So your first Super Bowl, you guys were Michael Jordan's Bulls. Well, we were at some positions. We did not have a pro baller on our defense. And we were one of the youngest. I think we might have been the youngest team, you know, in the playoffs at that time to win a super bowl. The first one.

First one. And stories were great because I had taken the Bears job, and they changed the rule right after this. We had an off week, just like they did this year. And Jimmy was so good to me. I mean, he says, hey, you better go interview for these jobs. I had like four teams that wanted to talk to me. Or if we wait two after the Super Bowl, you know, the window might be closed. Right.

So I went, Bob, up, long story short, I accept the Bears job. I have the press conference. So now I'm the head coach of the Bears. And I think everything's fine with Jimmy. And everywhere we went, I. I got to tell you the backup to this is if we went on the road somewhere and Jimmy had a car, I was always the guy jumped in the car with him. I sat next to him on the plane, crossed him on the bus, okay?

It was that type of relationship. So now we go and we're practicing at UCLA in L.A., and we get done with our first practice, and the big limo pulls up to pick Jimmy up, and I go walking off the practice field. He jumps in the car, the door slams, and he takes off, and all the buses leave. Because you're a rival coach. I'm standing there now. Not only did he leave, the buses leave, so I got to wait around for the last bus.

It was like all the injured players. And the guys that weren't going to play. So I'm riding the bus back to the hotel. And we usually had a cocktail after practice and got our minds right for the next day. And so I remember walking into the lobby. And I said, hey, Jimmy, if you want to have a beer or some nachos, let me know.

You know, all business? We're all business. He said, okay. And he walks away. and we never had a beer until after the game. It was business. I mean, oh, yeah. Obviously the Super Bowl is the best day in your life professionally, right?

Yeah, it was, yes, it was absolutely. I mean, from an accomplishment standpoint, and really, you mentioned it, where we came from, you know, and we didn't have a pro on that defense, and we were number one in the NFL in defense that year. No pro bowlers. Charles Haley came to us that year. He did not make it, I don't think, the year before,

that so we had no acquired pro boers and then after that year it was kenny norton it was leon let you know everybody let me ask you about coaching the miami dolphins is it harder mike lombardi the former gm says port cities are harder there's the foods better the bars are better in these port cities new orleans new york san francisco miami was it hard to coach in miami no it wasn't except the The fan base here is they're football fans. They're very emotional fans down here in Miami. But, you know, you got, when we would play the Steelers, there would be 10,000 Steelers there.

When we played the Eagles, Andy Reading them, there were 10, you know, the jet fans would buy, you know, 10,000 season tickets. So we were selling 63,000 season tickets. I remember that number because it was like, you know, it was a good number for them. And, but we would, because of people moving down here from the north, right, Transit City, you know, it wasn't like a place like Pittsburgh, you know, or Chicago, where those people are born Bears fans and they're going to die Bears fans and their kids are going to be Bears fans.

So it's a little bit different that way, but it was great. I mean, we had a great experience here. Wayne I Zengel was a great owner. I mean, everything was good. Dave Wanstad joining us. So Patrick Mahomes is an all-time talent. And when you were in the NFL, whether you're a defensive guy coaching the Bears, the Dolphins, When you, give me the two or three great quarterbacks you faced as a head coach or defensive coordinator.

Are there players that you know, I got to make choices here, we're going to give up points. There are certain quarterbacks. You kind of shrug your shoulders sometimes. Well, yes, obviously. I played against Marino. I mean, I played against, coached against Montana. Brett Favre is a little bit like Patrick Mahomes from an athletic standpoint. And when we used to play Brett Favre, I mean, the big challenge was,

keeping them in the pocket and making them throw on time. You know, and if he gets out, and that's kind of how I feel about this game, if I'm defending Patrick Mahomes, you don't want to take any chances and let him get on the edge. That's when your big holes happen in your defense. That's when the big plays come. So you've got to minimize those big plays. How do you do that? You make the ball come out on time so that your whole defense can rally on those throws

and minimize the big plays. So Marino is one of the all-time great talents. Montana was a lot like Brady. So you didn't have to worry about Montana getting out of the pocket. And Montana and Brady have more rings than everybody else. What made Montana special? Because I think sometimes we've forgotten about Joe because of Brady's greatness.

And as he keeps mounting all these Super Bowl trophies, what made Montana special? You know what? Comparing him to Tom Brady, I'll tell you what he used to do. And it used to frustrate the heck out of me. He would throw the ball. If you gave him the flat, the easy throw to the fullback in the flat. They used a fullback Rathfman back then. He would throw that ball 10 times in a row

if you gave it to him. That's what Tom Brady does. I remember watching that Super Bowl that Fox had in Arizona when they were playing Pete Carroll's team. Yeah. And Pete was playing a soft zone coverage. And I think Tom Brady threw eight passes in a row that were under eight yards. But he will do that. Where were a lot of players that Aaron Rogers and some are going to get antsy, Dan Marino, they want to get the big strike. Tom Brady would just, take what you gave him, and he would do it and do it and do it, force you to change the defense, and then he'd take advantage of it. Do you miss coaching?

I do. I do. I mean, sure, I don't think it ever leaves your blood, you know. You had owners you like, though. You have more friends than anybody I've met in this sport. Well, I did in coaches, you know, but it's, I've got six grandkids now. The oldest one's starting to play football, you know, so I'm kind of making up for some lost time, you know? How great was it that Jimmy got into the Hall of Fame?

Oh, overdue. As I said earlier, why could have got it for both sides? I think executive or head coach, long time overdue without a doubt about it. And it's just fantastic for him. I mean, I'm so happy for him. He knows that. Great seeing you. Great to meet your wife, Jan, back there.

Thank you for coming. See you in Naples, huh? We'll see you very soon, or in Chicago. All right, Dave Wanstatt. Here is Joy with the news. This is the herd line news. So Patrick Mahomes and Jimmy Garoppel will be compared a lot in the Super Bowl this weekend.

And Mahomes thinks one big thing that they have in common is that they both ended up with the right teams. I think Jimmy would say the same thing. I mean, just being in the right organization and with the right coaches, with the right teammates, I mean, in this league, it's not about one person. It's not about a quarterback. It's about your team and how you go out there

and play as a team and play together. And so I think with me and him, We've been putting a lot of great situations. And then we've just tried to maximize that every single day that we get those opportunities. We do have two really great organizations and fan bases in the Super Bowl. We also have two good guys as quarterbacks. A good dude. He's a good kid.

Well, you know, I'm really excited to see what happens in this Super Bowl because I think we kind of know what to expect from Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. But because of the way that the 49ers have been playing this season, we're talking about how physical their front floor is and their running game. and Kittle and Richard Sherman. We haven't really talked about what Jimmy Garoppola has done this year. And obviously what we've seen from them in the playoffs is them leaning heavily on the run. So are we going to see Jimmy aired out?

Like there's so many questions I have going into this game. It's like we've said all week, it's kind of very evenly matched Super Bowl. There's no villain in this game. It's just a bunch of stars. And I don't really know that anybody has any real insight about how it's going to go. Sometimes you get lucky as a league. I think the league lucked out. No, I definitely do.

I mean, the only other team to me that would have felt big, Baltimore, San Francisco, and Kansas City, who felt like, okay, if one of those gets in, we're good. Like, I felt last year, I live in Los Angeles, and I lived in Connecticut. I didn't think Rams Patriots honestly felt special. The day after, I'm like, the game wasn't great. We'd seen, you know, I mean, even in L.A., the fan base in L.A., it is a Laker, Dodger, generally USC town. Even kind of Raiders.

Yeah, I mean, so like this year feels big, not just because it's on Fox. It just feels big with big personalities and big stars. It does, and it doesn't feel uneven. Whereas, like I said, last year, you're going in with such an experience advantage with the Patriots going into that game. And it's just, there's a lot of great storylines.

And again, I think that we got two really great teams, two great fan bases. And, you know, a lot of red in the Super Bowl. We're in my Super Bowl covers today. So, Dak Prescott's been waiting for his new contract for a long time, and he's still sure everything is going to work out with him and the Cowboys. I've got confidence something to get done. We'll just leave it there. Obviously, being the Cowboys quarterback is second to none.

There's very few positions in all of sports that are comparable to it. So when you put that in mindset, or you put that in perspective, my mindset is to be in Dallas. And I've got the confidence in my team to get something done and the confidence in the Cowboys. that we'll be able to. Again, I maintain, I don't get it. I don't, I don't know what the, the Cowboys plan is. Well, they're going to sign him. Holdup is.

You're going to sign him. It's just, you're going to make it, listen. We have Jalen Smith of the Cowboys on tomorrow. They're going to sign him. They're just not in a, they're not in a hurry. What's the, what, what are you waiting for? No, franchise tag him. Didn't have a great year?

No, no, absolutely not. That's what I'm concerned about. Like, listen, Jack Prescott is the future of the Cowboys. Can you imagine a Foxx God is. Can you imagine a Foxxx? franchise tag us? Can that be crazy in any other business? Listen, we'll give you a lot of money for a year, but that's it.

Isn't that the way the rest of America probably works, though? Because we're in the contract business. That's probably a way to most of America works. Actually, I don't mind being franchise tag now that I think about it. We take that back. But I don't think that they should franchise tag Jack Prescott. And I don't think that he should take a discount either. He's playing on a fourth round rookie contract.

I don't want to hear about they need to save money. You've had money the last four years to put a team around him that could get him to the Super Bowl. All right. Who else? Are you planning on getting a high draft picked? Like, what is the replacement plan? All legitimate questions.

I don't know. I just hope they don't make a mistake with him. That's all I'm saying, because he, to me, he is the Cowboys. Finally, Dion Sanders was selected for the football Hall of Fame in 2011, and he has some opinions about that club. He thinks it's getting a lot less exclusive these days. What is the Hall of Fame? Like, when we grew up, Hall of Fame was somebody who changed the darn game that you

want to go purchase a ticket to go see this. them play individually. They were special. They was set aside. You wanted to see them practice not only play. It ain't like that no more. No. It's Tom Dick and Harry and Larry.

Getting into the Hall of Fame. I'm going to have to disagree with the goat there. I do think that the Pro Football Hall of Fame of all the Hall of Fame is still the most exclusive. I agree. Hall of Fame. I think they do a great job with who they let in. Baseball, you can sit in a room by yourself and fill out the ballot.

So you can kind of roll over and be like, I liked him. In football, you have to argue in a room full of other people for against the Hall of Famer, which makes it tougher for you to just say, well, I like him. Of course. It's going to be very obvious. And you're in a room full of people that are very well respected. So you're not going to go in there and make a fool of yourself. But also with baseball, I do think that there's a lot of controversy about who's getting in.

Every year, it's about the writers. Every year, as we know, there's some storyline that becomes about the writers. There are legends of the game, arguably some of the best, like maybe the, the best player ever in Barry Bonds who were not in because of controversial things that affected everyone in the game. It's like that's a whole other conversation. And I don't think that goes on with the pro football Hall of Fame. No, there are very few NFL Hall of Famers I don't buy. I mean, I've said before, Eli, there's a cliche going. You can't tell the story of the NFL without Eli. That's not the point. You can't tell the story of the best coach, Belichick,

the best quarterback, the best dynasty, the Super Bowl, the Manning family. There's like nine stories you can't tell without Eli. So to me, he's special. Also, I don't even taking the stories aside, Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer. It doesn't matter about the stories or anything else. He won two Super Bowls. Right, two. He won two Super Bowl. I've been to two Super Bowls. I need a Hall of Fame

inclusion. It's so hard to win a Super Bowl. He won two of them. I'm better than Brady. He's seven-thold time in yards and touchdowns. He had 210 consecutive starts. Thank you. He is a hall of favor. If you show up to work every day,

you know, that's the thing about Goulet. We don't get a lot from him, but he's here every day. So he's going to get some Hall of Fame vote simply on his durability. I mean, availability is a skill. He really is. I mean, we're not. He gives me hockey scores, nothing mostly, but the best damn hockey scores in the industry. Very efficient.

Every day, Goulet is here. It matters. Consistency is important. All right. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news.

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and you and you crush the audience loved it but he heckled you yeah well i go on when I start doing the John Matt, I said, I love football, but what I really love is John Mad, and I hear from the desk, yeah! I was like, what that? Like, I didn't even know what was going on. So, Letterman doesn't talk during people's sense. I'm talking like, here's a guy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Letterman's

going more, more. I'm like, all right, so it was just a surreal. Did he not like impersonators? No, he wanted me on. So it was, like, heckling you're thinking of as completely negative. Heckling is just when somebody's saying something when you're talking as well as a comedian. Well, I would say your first

big voice was Madden. And I do think Madden, not that he's easy to impersonate, but he's like Keith Jackson or Vin Scully. There is a sound. Tony Romo is red hot, and I don't have an idea how you, so what do you, you have a Tony Romo? I've started to work on the take. The take

is the interesting thing to find, and he's raspy. And he's always, when he gets excited and he thinks something's going to happen, this is where it goes, here we go, Jim. So he'll be like, oh, this is incredible. This is amazing and incredible and incredibly amazing. I can't believe everything is about to happen. And you're just about to see it, Jim, and here it is.

Here we go, dude. He would be the worst person to go to see a movie with, right? You go to see the movies like, oh, the girl looking at the way they're focusing on her, she's going to get switching. At the end, you're going to find out they've been living separate lives, and here we go, Jim. I'll come back to Tony Romo in a second. You, there are people that like the impersonations. Madden was a little, you know, I think Madden was a little.

It was weird. When they don't meet you, that's the odd thing. I was at a Super Bowl, actually, for Fox when I met John Madden and made his grand. kids laughing. It was like a light bulb went on over his head. Like, I get it now. Now, what about presidents? Well, here's actually an interesting story. So when I was at

Fox, I did a couple of different Super Bowls. One of the Super Bowls that I did was in Dallas, Super Bowl 45. When George Bush was president? George Bush was there. I don't know if he was president still. It might have been, but he was there and John Madden was there. And they were sitting next to

each other and Jerry, or right, close to each other. And Jerry Jones was in between them. So I got up, I got past the Secret Service. They were going to allow me, Fox had cameras ready, and I'm texting with producers and stuff. I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, this is going to be great. And they wouldn't let me talk until Jerry Jones stopped talking to them.

Well, he never stopped talking to. So it was one of those, like, what's he talking about? Like, I believe that you have every idea of what's going to happen here. I'll tell you what, man, that's pretty good. I don't know what we're talking about. So I'm just waiting. And then Laura Bush comes out, and it's funny, Because Jamie Fox is sitting in the back of Jerry Jones Suite.

He's got sunglasses on. I don't understand why because it's in Dallas inside. It didn't make sense at all. But he's a star, so I guess you can't. But it was one of those types of situations. I said hello to him. He was very nice. But Laura Bush comes over and says,

oh, the president, now we're watching you this morning. You were very funny. Like, well, can you tell him to tell Jerry Jones to stop talking? I want to go in there and get some big time publicity. So Jerry is, I've met Jerry one time. He's a bigger than life guy. Yeah, he's, I've never met. When I tried to meet him years ago,

turned like it was at an event and he's like ah hey it was like a sitcom remember when Seinfeld didn't have time for new me he's like I've got something better to do that that was that was uh Jerry Jones I went up to hi Mr. Jones I'm frank okay I'm gonna talk to this guy and tell the same story I just told like what the heck what is going on here by the way jake glazer got you kicked out of a Super Bowl yeah you're hearing all the stories aren't you yeah my first Super Bowl with Fox I was uh I got to I was I got to I I got to, you get those credentials where you can go anywhere. You can go on the field.

You can go. Yeah, I've never had one. Go ahead. I'll tell you what it's like to be in the big, with the big star on the door. So they said, you can go anywhere. I go, can I go on the field? They're like, yeah, I go, can I kick the ball? They're like, kick the ball if you want.

So I'm down there. Jake Glazer, it was the one who gets me to go down. He's like, Frank, you got to go down there. It's incredible. It's amazing. You listen to the national anthem is one of the most amazing things I've ever heard. So incredible. And then, and then the planes fly over.

Great thing. ever heard my entire life, right? So I go down there, the planes fly over. A guy from NFL security is like, what are you down here for? I'm like, I got to be honest, I'm just here with him. He's like, but what are you doing? I'm like, nothing. He goes, you got to get out of here. I go, but I have this credential that says I can kick the ball. He's like, takes it off of me and kicks me not just out of the field, kicks me out of the stadium. So I'm kicked out in Jacksonville. I'm outside. I don't know. I sneak past a security guard who's hitting on some girl. And then I get back and I'm like, I talked to David Hill who was president of the network.

time like I don't know what just happened you know I'm not a troublemaker anything he goes down very I'll take care of it so I get my uh credential back and I'm like Terry talking to Bradshaw I'm like I just got kicked out of the Super Bowl's like well my plan worked we got rid of for a while tell you what let me tell you he was in here earlier how did that go oh he's great any sequiters or was it just none no he just tell you about my grandpa how do my shoes look hey cup is this way every like what you're talking to him is like the herd with colin how cowherd Calls me Cowhead. Cowhead.

But it says, heard up there. Come on. I'm just proving I can read, Calhead. Calberg. Calberg, I remember you. We've lost to play for you. I love that you're trying to talk over me. John Gruden is going to Vegas.

That you perform in Vegas. How do you think John's going to be in Vegas? I tell you would, man. Get some of those. I'd like to see him just bringing other teams around Vegas before the game. I think that would be a lot of fun. I'd tell you would, man. You should play some of these table games right before we start the

game. How about that? We've got to we lose a couple guys that way, man. It's going to be pretty good. It is. So I want to go back. So I did something earlier today. I don't do impressions, but we have this new technology where I, it's creepy, where I can talk my way through stuff

and I can look like Belichick. We don't have it on our monitor here. Our monitor changed up. I'm looking at Kyle Shanahan. But we have these, we have these things where I can look like Shanahan or Belichick and Brady. So I ran this earlier. Let's run this from earlier in the show, please.

You're looking at Patrick Mahalms. You're looking at Russell Wilson. You're looking at Lamar Jackson. The game has changed. You're looking a little bit, you know, more like a Philip Rivers. Ernie-Li-Lymanning. Andy Dolphin. He's going to become Bill Belichick, but he's talking too loud, Jim. Here we go, Jim. Now watch this. Then I become Brady. Is that what you're saying? I can't handle this. Listen, if I could be Tom Brady, I would just do it all the time. I would never stop. So when you, can you do a Jim Nance and a Tony Romo? I've been working on the Nance by Nance. My nance is, hello friends. That's all I

yeah. That's about what he does. He's very good. John Holmberg, who's out of the podcast with me, all he does is throw to people when he does Jim Nance. And let's go down to, like, that's what it always is. And then they come back to him. Jimmy, Frank, Frankie, So I want to talk briefly. We have about a minute and a half left. So you do a lot of sports stuff. That's my gateway into knowing you. Yeah. Frank. I didn't know. I see on Letterman. I see the Madden stuff. I see on Fox. but you also, I would imagine audiences probably crave Hollywood people, even more.

I think to the average. Oh, yeah. Overall, if you want to, I think, succeed, you have to have a broader base, that type of thing. So if you stick to just the sports impressions, I think. Okay, so I'm going to ask you to do one. Okay. Okay, so I just watched the movie. I like that way more than my wife.

Have you seen The Irishman? No, I don't have 15 hours to watch this movie. Okay, so I loved it. I love Scorsese. Martin's great. And I think they do this, by the way, the reason I showed that Belichick Brady thing, they changed De Niro's face and Pacino's face. They look like kids.

Yeah, but they're like 55 years old, you know, 70 years old. He's kicking a guy, but his face is 50 or 30, but his body is 75. How about Pacino going into De Niro? Like, I heard you like Super Bowls. Like, let me try it on full life. Don't really have to do this. I heard you like Super Bowls. I do. Yes.

Yes, I do. But I also like pregame shows. That's a promo. You see what I did? Huh? Always working it. Frank Caliando, the Caliando cast. It's wherever you get podcast. iTunes. Yeah, and you can find me at Frank Caliando on Twitter, Instagram.

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