The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Patriots, Browns, Eagles, Dez Bryant, and Terrell Owens

Episode Date: August 15, 2018

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb discusses why the New England Patriots are great and hated, why the Cleveland Browns shouldn't sign WR Dez Bryant, why the Philadelphia Eagles are the new Patriots, and his thoughts on HOF WR Terrell Owens' comments towards HOF WR Michael Irvin. Guests include Nick Wright, Rob Parker, and Greg Jennings. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor. I'm Doug Gottlieb here with you for the entirety of the week. Man, we got a great show. Our buddy, Nick Wright, from First Things First, going to join us half past the hour. resident Tom Brady Hater and Crazy Man. Rob Parker will join us next hour. Greg Jennings will join us.

Plus, we'll take it to Cleveland where we react to last night's hard knocks. I know, Joy, you watched Hard Knocks, as did I. And we'll get the feeling from Mary Kay Cabin who's covered the Browns for years. I want to discuss how what we saw was a depiction of a Brown's team that has a bad culture, a coaching straf trying to change that culture, but I'll tell you upcoming why I think that culture is actually going to get worse before it gets better. The most interesting team this year.

The most interesting team. I'm sticking with that. I'm coming around. I don't know most interesting. I'm coming around to my level of interest in the Browns, right? I'm coming around. I'm not completely, but from Monday. Until now.

But from one, like, you know, you do a 180 to be a complete turnaround. I'm somewhere in the 90 degree. Well, maybe Mary Kay will convince you. Fair enough. Let's dig right in with the Patriots and the Eagles who are set to match up in a preseason game. Now, look, let's be honest, it's just a preseason game. But Lane Johnson is, and you know, for better or for worse, and I actually like that Lane Johnson is sticking by what he said in the offseason in which many of the Eagles have kind of echoed. their distaste, their disdain for the Patriot way.

They don't have fun. We don't like them. Here's Lane Johnson defending his previous statements about the Pats. Are you expecting any type of backlash for a lack of better words for the comments that you've made? Oh, yeah. I hope so. I hope they raise hell to cuss me and they can say whatever they want. At the end of the day, I'm not blocking them.

I'm blocking the guys on the edge. So it really doesn't matter what they say. I know that I'm not going to be well-liked. I know this team they're going to be well-like going in there. So it's going to make us so they bring out our best. Now, look, Lane Johnson is saying this, but it's a preseason game. And the reality is he is right. The crowd doesn't truly affect any sort of blocking between Lane Johnson and the edge rushers.

But here's the thing that I think Lane Johnson and others don't have a healthy enough respect for, which I think they will at the end of the season. The Patriots haven't just been good. They've been consistently good. even consistently great. The league is designed to bring you back down to Earth, and the Eagles who last year had a fourth-place schedule this year have a first-place schedule. Now, did they dodge a couple of bullets?

Yeah, they could have played at Minnesota. They get Minnesota at home, right? When they go to Tampa, week two of the season, they're not going to get James Winston. They're going to get Ryan Fitzpatrick. So some things have already worked out their way. but the fact that you get a first place schedule for one year after getting a last place schedule, I think at some point will dawn on the Eagles how much respect you should have for what the Patriots have done.

Like, look, we can all sit here and say, well, the Patriots play in the AFC East. And like Joy, you and I discussed yesterday with all these issues, with any of the backlash and terrible feelings from what happened losing the Super Bowl and not playing Malcolm Butler, The fact is, I don't know a soul out there that wouldn't bet the Patriots are going to be in the playoffs to win their division because, you know, Buffalo and New York at some point are both going to start rookie quarterbacks. And the dolphins are trying to change the character of their team, but they've gotten rid of some of their most, if not their most talented players. And you got Ryan Taneyhill coming off in ACL. No one thinks anyone outside of the Pats, even with all their issues in the offseason, all their injury issues at wide receiver, thinks they're not going to make the playoffs and win their division. that said to every year, I mean every year, play a first place schedule. And here's the other thing.

What's the Shakespearean line? Heavy is the head that wears the crown? Which, oh yeah, by the way, is not actually the line. It's uneasy, lies the head that wears the crown. And we've changed that and tweaked that into heavy as the head that wears the crown. Sounds better. Close enough, right? You know, what is Shakespeare now?

Right. But at the Shakespearean line, the Shakespeare line is in fact true. It's not just that the Patriots play a first place schedule every year. It's that you can't find a human being outside of a Patriot fan, outside of a Smitty with a white hat kind of cocked to the side that loves his pets. Outside of that guy, outside of Bostonian guy, no one likes the pets. It's they've been good. They're viewed as cheaters, right?

Deflategate, spy gate, you name it. They're good. They're viewed as cheaters. They're from a part of the country that, that frankly has seen a ton of success with the Red Sox, with the Celtics, and with that success breeds even more disdain. They have a coach that won't ever let anybody in. They usually are a terrible quote.

And oh, yeah, by the way, you have, the brazen arrogance of Tom Brady to be damn good looking, dashing, and to be married to a supermodel. All of these things, which if you're a Patriot fan, you love, if you're not, you don't like. Why does that matter? Because you get everybody's best shot. You just do. Now, you can say, well, listen, in the NFL, there's only 16 games, 17 weeks, everybody plays at a peak level. And to some level, you're accurate.

But we all know it's different when the paths come to do. town. Like if you buy, if you buy a season ticket package, right, the one or two tickets that you actually use are when the Patriots come to town. Why? Because you want to see greatness, and it's going to be a full house, and you kind of like to see your team beat the pets. Buffalo is not any good. They finally made the playoffs for the first time in over a decade. But you know what? Every time the Patriots set foot in Buffalo, that place is a zoo. Same thing with the jet. The Jets seasons have been made by beating the Patriots.

Same thing is true with the Dolphins. That's only in their division. Everywhere they go, they're the biggest game of the season. And that's what the Eagles don't have a healthy enough respect for. It's not just that it's the Patriots. It's their consistency of success, which is disgusting in comparison to the rest of the league. trying to do it a second time in many ways is harder than doing it the first time.

Last year they were the underdog. Last year they did have a lot of guys that were told no. What was it that Jason, that Kelsey said, right, at the victory parade, right? Lane Johnson can't stay off the juice, right? He's like, look, you go through all these guys and there are plenty of guys that were told no. Even their head coach was,

he didn't, he'd never, he wouldn't consider, considered to be of that elk. I mean, Doug Peterson was not on the top of anybody else's list. Howie Roseman had lost power when Chip Kelly was there. He regained power, flipped over that roster, got back his guys, hired his own coach, and all of a sudden, now they win a Super Bowl. And look, to the victors go the spoils, you're allowed to puff out your chest. But the lack of respect for the consistency of success in a league which,

schedule-wise, and we don't talk about schedule enough, is designed to bring you back down to Earth, combined with the fact that the Patriots are not a well-liked organization, matter of fact, a hated organization by fans around the league, and that they're everybody else's biggest game, I think is a lesson that the Eagles are going to learn. I mean, look in the NFC East, and last year it was the Eagles, they were playing on a last-place schedule.

The year before it was the Cowboys. Why were the Cowboys so good? They were playing a last-place schedule. The schedule does, in fact, matter. at some point you do have to be good and so when I point out that you know look they're playing the Titans for example in a in a game

in a crossover game against the AFC like the Titans only really made the playoffs because Baltimore spit up all over themselves and the Chargers could make a field goal right the Chargers and the Ravens were better football teams than the Titans thought so much of their playoff run they fired their head coach they were not a good team last year.

Marcus Marioo had more interceptions than he did touchdowns last season. So they do sort of luck out in a first-place schedule that if you said, well, Tennessee playoff team on the road, they go to New Orleans, always a difficult place to play. They cross over against the NFC South, but they don't have to play Atlanta on the road. They don't have to play Carolina on the road. Those are the two toughest teams in the NFC South outside of New Orleans, right?

So there is some, it is a little bit softer than generally a first place championship schedule would be. But that's not the point. The point is here's a league which is designed to bring you back down to earth. Here's a Patriot team that has stared that down and still found a way to be consistent. Like you can't, most people can't name the Patriots wide receivers that are going to line up outside the numbers with Julian Edelman suspended and all the other injuries come week. one in the NFL. And you know what? We're still picking the pets. So look, I understand that Lane Johnson deserves a little bit of respect because he said it, he owned it, and he ain't

scared to go into New England. Congratulations. It's a preseason game. And fans can't really affect you. But in his heart of hearts, and what the Eagles I think will in fact learn, is that repeating is really, really hard. The schedule is more difficult and your every team's biggest game. Everyone. How they react to that, how they react to that adversity. In addition to when their quarterback becomes healthy, what they do with Foles, all that is fascinating to me that I think we'll learn. It's games, we can use analytics all we want. We can use preseason prognostication. Hell, we can even use the records.

but the thing about sports which defies all stats is that there is something to certain games being bigger, whether it's because it's on a Thursday night or a Sunday night or a Monday night or simply because you wear a ring that everybody else in the league wants. When the Philadelphia Eagles walk into Tampa, walk into Tennessee, two places that are normally tame, it's completely different when you're a champ. The Patriots know that and the Patriots have been successful in spite of that. Be fascinating to see if the Eagles can do the same. You know, we talk about cultures in sports all the time, right?

Coaches when they get the job, you know, we want to establish a culture. You talk to teams when they win. They always talk about their culture. Joy and I watched Hard Knocks from last night and I want to get her take on what her thoughts are in the culture. I want to share with you mine on how the culture. on how the culture is not good and while why the coaching staff continues to try and make it better, I think it's going to get worse.

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Peter Stofler tweets me talking about luck. Atlanta doesn't run the foot, you know, runs the football, kicks a field goal, or Seattle runs for a touchdown, two super bowls that they shouldn't have even had, talking about the New England Patriots. Look, we can play that game all day if you'd like, right? I mean, if you want to go to the Philadelphia Eagles, Aaron Rogers hurt last year. Heck, Tony Romo retired because he was injured. Romo and Aaron Rogers, heck, you go to the Minnesota Vikings who, of course, went through quarterbacks. or if you even look just at the Philadelphia Eagles,

taking on the Atlanta Falcons, the Falcons who lost the Super Bowl that they should have won the year before, they had a chance to beat the Eagles in Philadelphia. They complete one pass, they complete one fourth down pass to Julio Jones, and suddenly now the Eagles are beaten at home, granted with the backup quarterback.

So the idea that the Patriots are somehow not worthy of being called an incredible dynasty, one that you have to respect because there's two Super Bowls that maybe they should not have one. You could make the opposite argument with, if not for the David Tyree catch, they win that Super Bowl. Like, we can go round and round. The Patriots have not had a single-digit win season

since Tom Brady's been their quarterback. There's no arguing that. Level of dominance that we just have not seen in this era of the National Football League. and one of the things that they've been able to do is maintain an incredible culture. And you don't have to like their culture, but you respect their culture, getting more out of the group than you would think out of individuals that maybe, you know, otherwise haven't been views as such.

The West Welkers, Jr. Seow coming out of retirement. Like, you can go through a list of incredible players that have played with the Patriots have been better there than they have elsewhere. The juxtaposition of that and a, a, a, talented young Cleveland Browns team and watching Hard Knocks last night, I think is fascinating. Joya, I'm wondering, okay, you watch Hard Knocks. Right. Like, what's your kind of quick takeaway

two episodes in? Of their culture? Because my biggest takeaway from Hard Knocks is Hugh Jackson. He seems like a real players coach to me, which I like, but I feel like that has to be matched with a culture all around. Like, to me, the issue that happen with teams that have this function always start from the top. It's never just the coaches fault. Coaches don't make all of the decisions for the organization.

There are people above them. These coaches have bosses, and then those bosses sometimes have bosses. So to me, in order to create a winning culture, which I can see that that's what they're trying to do, it's got to start from the very top. So I feel like Hugh knows that this is the year he has to get everything done. You can sense that and feel that. In a weird way, they're kind of getting me to root for them. I kind of want to see them succeed, which goes against my entire DNA.

Look, hard knocks does that. Like the secret to hard knocks is that, like, do I think J.J. Watt really does spin moves in the dark in Houston? Like, no, but I remember coming out of that season all in on Bill O'Brien. No, they romanticized the team for sure. But the Browns are, to me, they're different this year. They have a different feel. They have a different hype behind them. They've always been the throwaway team that's like, eh, it's.

it's Cleveland. Yes. And I think there is a way in which it could work where you have the hard ass, offensive and defensive coordinators into Todd Haley and a Greg Williams. And then you have the players coach, right? You got good cop and bad cop there with Hugh. But, you know, there was this moment last night where I'm watching and it dawned upon me. They have a culture problem in terms.

And maybe it's how. the TV show is made. We'll be honest, right? It is a TV show. The TV show has made it so that there's a competition there between Baker, Mayfield, and Tyrod Taylor. I know Baker wasn't really focused on last time around, but that's how we made it seem. But take a listen, or if you're watching, here's Hugh Jackson ripping players for their work ethic, and Tyrod Taylor giving him some advice on how to fix it.

Stop walking! Everybody up. Come here. What in the fuck did we start walking around? around out here. When did we start our level all of a sudden becomes like this? When did that start, Kirk-o? When? When did it start, Betonio? Never. I'm not watching that anymore. Coaches, you better get after these guys to get to where they're supposed to be and let the practice the way we practice. Back to the top, the one drop. Let's go.

Hey, Hugh, Hugh. You can keep a rolling camera of that and they can catch the way. All you're going to do is show at one time in a meeting. Now guys are conscious of it and they build good habits of jogging off the field. Yeah. So, show it in the film. Yeah, so listen, Tyrod Taylor says, show on film.

Does show on film that they're walking from drill to drill? That they're not playing all that hard, which leads you, Tyrod Taylor gets it, right? I mean, he's been a part the culture when he was in Baltimore. That was a championship caliber culture,

and Tyrod Taylor is a pros pro. So much so that even go back to last episode when he said, hey, Baker, you know, it's a competition. Get in there when Tyrod Taylor is. Rod gets in there. But here's where I think he's fighting the culture battle and it's going to get worse before

it gets better. Twofold. One, Des Bryant's visiting today. And on paper, does adding Des Bryant help? On paper, yeah, right? Des Bryant's been a pro bowler. Des Bryant's was an elite talent.

And he doesn't have to be the number one guy. They have Jarvis Landry so he could fit. But in addition to accepting a secondary or maybe even tertiary role, learning a new offense, have that can he get along with, last year he wasn't happy and he got over 130 balls thrown his way.

How happy is it going to be when he gets 60 or 70, at most balls thrown his way? Then here's the biggest problem. The guy who's the best culture changer in that locker room is the quarterback Tyrod Taylor. And he is almost certainly going to lose his job even though he's done nothing to warrant losing his job. When you draft Baker-Mayfield, number one overall, you say we want to sit and we want a redshirt

and we're not going to let him go against the ones. We're going to do all these right things. John Dorsey, the GM, just like we did in Kansas City. We're going to sit him like we sat at Pat Mom's. That sounds good until you get to the middle of the season and people say, let's see the kid. And the one guy who's been the best part of the new culture, Tyrod Taylor, sixth round pick took the bills to the playoffs the bills tried to bench him last year and he still found a way to succeed and prove him wrong comes over and totally buys into being a complete and

consummate professional so much so that he offers up some sage wisdom look dude you don't have to yell just show him on film how they look that guy's going to lose his job and you're going to bring in a des brian i'm going to do it and i think that's going to hurt their culture before they can possibly turn it around especially with hugh working for a guy who didn't hire him. Let's get to Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. So Ben

Rothesberger is in concussion protocol after he suffered a head injury in practice yesterday. So according to a couple reports, he fell to the ground after throwing a pass on the final play of his seven shots team period, and he was down holding his head for several minutes before he left practice early. He did walk off

on his own, but Mike Tomlin issued a statement saying he's being evaluated by team doctors as part of the concussion protocol. He He has at least three documented concussions in his career. Plus he got thrown off the motorcycle. He remember into a windshield. Look, there is an irony to it. We hope Ben's okay, right?

Yeah, I hope Ben's okay. The Steelers are my Super Bowl pick this year. And it says the girl from Pittsburgh. But there is an irony to it is that his offensive coordinator, who's his boy, who he got the job, was a quarterback coach. like just the day before. It's like, Ben's having the greatest camp ever. And then his defensive lineman pushes an offensive lineman into Big Ben. And even though he's got the red jersey, you're not supposed to touch him on, he ends up getting a concussion.

Well, we see that on hard knocks constantly that the quarterback still get knocked into. They're trying to do their best to protect them. I'm sure Ben will be fine, but you don't want any, you don't want a concussion in training camp. So we'll have to keep an eye on that. It's not good news. So Jalen Ramsey is one of the NFL's most well-known trash talkers, and he did not hold back. He did an interview with GQ and offered his unfiltered opinions on several NFL quarterbacks. Some of the opinions are that Joe Flacco, quote, sucks.

Yes. Matt Ryan is, quote, overrated. Ben Rathesberger is decent at best. And on Andrew Luck, I don't really think he's that good. and I think his most vicious opinion is about Josh Allen. He said he's trash and it's going to show to. That's a stupid draft pick to me. We play them this year and I'm excited as hell.

I hope he's their starting quarterback. He also said that Blake Bortles was good in the playoffs. Obviously, that's his quarterback. I actually don't have a problem with this. I really like personalities. I think they're good for everybody. They're good for the league. the good for our business, for sure.

And Jalen Ramsey is very good. Yes. He walks it like he talks it. Right. So I don't have a problem with him going out there and giving his opinion. I'll go back it up and don't be mad when people come back at you. That is where you have to tow the line. Like if you're going to talk trash, then be that.

But he was mean, man. Well, he was totally honest with exception about Blake Bortles. Yes. And and. Well, honest, I mean, he gave his opinion. opinion. Like, it doesn't have to, it's not his real, that's not his real opinion. I don't know. He may believe that. Look, the, the, the Jaguars don't think so. They got the ball back, what, 59 seconds to go in the AFC championship game in the first half and decided to take a knee.

Like, they clearly do not believe. Well, he said that. He said that they did not trust him. That's not Jalen Ramsey's call, obviously. But he said that the team did not trust, the team did not put the trust in Blake that they needed to put in him. He is, he's the dirty south version of Richard Sherman, right? And he's in the prime of his career, whereas Richard Sherman is coming, he's out of the prime of his career. And look, it's a position to which you're allowed to talk trash.

Right. Which is why I love it. As long as you back it up. Back it up. Right. Which he does. So I like it. And Josh Allen was asked about it and he said he doesn't care,

which is the response he should have. Finally, Kevin Durant recently participated in the Bloomberg Players Technology Summit, the changing landscape of athletes and they've become more business savvy and endorsements and all of that was discussed. And Katie had this to say. I wanted the Haynes deal, the McDonald's, the Gatorade, the Powerade. That's what our lane was as basketball players, but I feel like now we can do whatever we want. All of us are seeing the power that we have, and we are trying to take advantage of it.

Now, Durant earns more than $30 million annually and off-the-court earnings, and he has a lot of endorsements like Nike and Beats and Alaska Airlines and Panini. And a big reason I think that he went to the Warriors was not just obviously to join up with Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and Jamon Green, but I think he had a lot of opportunities in Silicon Valley that were enticing to him. He wants to be in

business, and I think more and more players are seeing it that way. They're seeing the Magic Johnson mogul stage that he has, the platform that he has, what the bronze been able to do, and say, why not me? And I think that's great. I love that sports

in general, even you keep seeing it on on Hard Knocks, too. They're constantly talking about investing money. That is great, that is a great culture change to me that guys are coming into these millions and millions of dollars. And rather than saying, I'm going to go blow this on insignificant stuff that has no return, I'm going to invest this or I'm going to look to partner with businesses so that when my career, which will eventually ends, comes to an end, I have the ability to provide for my family long term and not be in a bad position when I retire. I love that this culture change has happened. I do. It eliminates the conversation of the dumb jock,

right? And no one wants the Antoine. I know Antoine Walker has a story about, you know, blowing, how to blow all, you know. Well, I mean, you've seen the documentary broke, I'm sure. I mean, it's devastating. And what happened to Bernie Kosar and like this happens so much because you make it. And a lot of players come from nothing. And then you have all these people who are trying to pull from you. So I love that they're, that this culture change is finally starting to, to infiltrate and

become a thing. I would, I would only disagree with you in that. I don't think that's why he went to Golden State, but I do think it's become an incredible ancillary benefit. But I do think that that was a factor in him going, for sure. And that's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Herd Lie News. All right, let's bring in Nick Wright via the Cowherd Global Satellite Network. Of course, you can see him on first things first, or you can watch him battle me on Twitter. Let me start with the Cleveland Browns in watching Hard Knocks last night. I said, look, Tyrod's better. Tyrod was better, far better, even in the first preseason game. As Baker played well, Tyrod essentially pitched a perfect game in the short time which we saw him on the field. But I got to think that because he's the number one overall pick,

that he's going to play at some point in time this season. And I actually think that's to the detriment of the culture they're trying to change in Cleveland. What say you, Nick, right? I think that you just got to look to the history of the guys. who picked him in John Dorsey to see that he might not play soon, if at all, this year. In the last decade, there's only been one first round quarterback to not play at all. That was Aaron Rogers, picked, of course, by John Dorsey. In this decade, the quarterback who came the closest other than Aaron Rogers to not playing at all,

was Pat Mahomes last year with the Chiefs who didn't play until week 17. He was, of course, picked by John Dorsey and John Dorsey was running the team. And now you have Baker Mayfield picked by John Dorsey, John Dorsey running the football team. I think that he's been patient in the past. His history says that. And I think they keep saying Tyrod was one of 12 quarterbacks to lead a team to the playoffs last year. There's a reason they are bringing that up so often. I think in Cleveland they look at the team Tyrod led to the playoffs in Buffalo and say,

hey, is our number one receiver better than the one they had in Buffalo? Is Injoku better than Charles Clay, their big tight end? is Miles Garrett better than any pass rusher they had? Like, Joy's Miami Dolphins went one in 15, I think, to 11 and 5 once. Why can't we be in the playoff picture, even if it's just in the little corner of the screen in November? I think Tyrod's going to start at least the first eight games of the year, and unless the team's two and six or worse, he will continue to start, because they have to start learning how to win games in Cleveland.

And Tyrod, he's showing up first. He's been the best guy on and off the field. He's giving them no exit ramps for their plan. So I actually believe the Browns that Tyrod Taylor is going to be the starter to begin the season and even at the midway point of the season. I hope you're right because I think that's the right decision. And I agree with you on the past, what's past as precedent, right? With John Dorsey, the difference is the pressure to play a number one overall pick,

especially when all of the rest of the kids who will be playing will be immense. All right. Speaking of a guy who I thought should have gone number one overall, there's now a lot of pressure to start Sam Darnold right away with the New York Jets. You live there in the tri-state area. You know with all the talk. You've seen the preseason game. And of course, the things we haven't seen, we've heard the 11-on-11 stuff against the Redskins was outstanding.

What do you think the Jets should do with Sam Darnold? Yeah, I think this is a different situation. I don't think Josh McCown is as good as Tyrod Taylor. rooting for Teddy Bridgewater, there's a reason. They only had to guarantee $500,000 to him. Additionally, I think Sam Darnold, while his ceiling is not the highest of the five quarterbacks taken in the first round, I think his floor might be the highest, and he is the surest thing.

He's the guy I advocated the Brown should take number one, even though I didn't think he was the best quarterback in the draft, just because I thought his bus potential was the lowest. I think Donald should start week one, and I think Donald will start week one. You love the Houston Rockets almost as much as you love LeBron James. Almost. Oh, here we go. You love. Are the Rockets a better team with Carmelo Anthony?

Well, so are they better than they were in the Western Conference Finals? No. But are they better today than they were 96 hours ago? Of course they are. Like, at Carmelo, we swing too far in directions on these things. There was a period of time recently. last couple years in New York when Carmelo was overrated by the general NBA population. He's now become underrated by the general NBA population.

And before they signed Carmelo Anthony, their options for starting, forget off the bench, for starting forward in Houston opposite PJ Tucker were Gerald Green, James Innes, Ryan Anderson. So like, of course Carmelo is in addition. Oh, he can't play any defense. Well, Mello was a part of the third best five-man defensive unit in the NBA last year, not because he was good defensively, but because Roberson was there, Stephen Adams was there, Paul George was there.

Why is that relevant? If you have Clint Capella, P.J. Tucker, and Chris Paul on the court, you're going to have an outstanding defense. I think Mello also, I think last year was a humbling experience for him. and if there's anyone that can meet him eye to eye and tell him to cut the bleep at times, it's Chris Paul. If he just wanted to get 18 shots a game and play with a close friend, he could have signed in Miami. Instead, he chose Houston and Houston chose him.

Now, the Warriors got far better this offseason, while Chris Paul got a year older and the Rockets lost Trevor Arisa. So they haven't closed the gap on Golden State. Golden State has extended the gap, but Carmelo Anthony helps them. No, listen, I think theoretically he should help them. If he buys into the idea of, hey, sometimes I'm going to play with the bench unit and get my shots there. The issue becomes, in key moments, you can have one Carmelo Anthony that maybe can't guard anybody, although that proved to not work in the playoffs against the jazz, but to have James Harding and Carmelo Anthony, two non-defenders on the floor, that becomes problematic.

I think what I would say was, and you tell me if you agree with this. I think Oklahoma City has closed the gap more on the rockets and the Warriors. I don't think they necessarily caught the Warriors, but I think Oklahoma City, by essentially standing pat, by going out and getting a borderline starting point guard to be the backup bench point guard in Dennis Schrooter with the Thunder, and losing Mello, getting Robertson back, if healthy, I think Oklahoma City has taken a dramatic step closer to the big two in the West,

whereas Houston has come back down to earth because they lose that defensive tenacity. I agree with that. But I think what happened, the only part I disagree with is I think what happened in the playoffs wasn't that Mello's defense fell apart. It's that they didn't have Roberson or Roberson, pardon me. And once he went out, their defense fell apart and Mello was offensively bad on the offensive end of the floor in that six-game series against Utah. He was really, really bad.

He was arguably the worst high-ball. shooter in the NBA during the playoffs. Well, listen, you and I agree on most NBA things, except when you're talking LeBron James. And I think at last check, you had him as a poor man, Stacey King. So, like, we're always going to disagree on that front. But on everything else, we see eye to eye quite often about the NBA. All right. Look, I never called him Stacey King, because Stacey King waved a towel way better than LeBron James ever did. Listen, I'm going to leave you this. Can we bring up that picture that they showed on on first things first there was a photo that you guys prefer not and i know that this is

also radio as well as tv but i don't know whether this is better for the radio audience did you did you go did you go to right where you in did you spend some time in rikers um when you took this picture people are amazingly saying all of a sudden i have some previously missing street cred just from the existence of this photograph this is from just two months ago Right before my wife and I went to Belize, I shaved my whole beard before the trip. And as just a funny, just to make Chris laugh right as I was shaving. You can see from the stains on my shirt, as I'm shaving, I left the mustache, sent Chris a picture. He betrayed me and sent it to the staff.

We made it on television today, and now it's made it on a second television show today, which I really greatly appreciate. Thanks for that, Doug. Good looking out, brother. That is not, that's not the look. Yeah, well, listen, listen. That's not a good look, Joy, Taylor. That's not the look. If for any reason, Nick, the TV show and all this success,

if it all got it goes away, character actor on a prison show, I think. You know, you were saying that. They showed Andrew Luck with the mustache, which is how this came up. Yes. And Andrew Luck looked like a detective in the show Narcos. I kind of look like the guy he's detecting. Like, I feel like I look like the guy he sees he's going after. I think it could work for me.

I'm considering, let me ask you guys both this, we'll leave it at this. Yes. If I came to work tomorrow with just the mustache, and I said to the execs at Fox, this is my new look. Is that a fireable offense? No, I don't think that that works anymore.

Just in today's climate. Is Danielle letting you get away with that? Yeah, no, no. It was a one-time thing. Look, I'll say this. If you went to Belize with this, there's no question that when the cop walked by with the German Shepherd,

You got at least one, if not two sniffs from that German general. Well, that's not nice. No, no, no. I didn't go anywhere with that. It didn't even make it out of the bathroom, but now it's made it for six minutes on national television, which is just delightful. I'm sure people on Twitter will be so nice to me about this.

It should be your avatar on Twitter. Thanks so much, Nick Wright. First Things First, check it out every morning right here on Fox Sports One. T.O. isn't exactly the person, excuse me, Tio is exactly the person you think he is. Don't believe me. He proved it on Twitter. We'll share it with you next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin, this is the Herd. Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One, IHeart Radio app. Our crazy uncle, Rob Parker, is going to join us. Hate on somebody. Can't wait. Can't wait. That upcoming in 10 minutes here on the show. Taylor, I'm Doug Gottlie. This

is just a great sign of Terrell Owens being exactly who you think he is. If you don't believe me, first I'm going to play some sound. This is August 3rd on the Rich Eisen Show, Hall of Famer Michael Irvin, had this to

say about T.O. in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You do old people stuff. You owe your parents some. I owe the guys that came before me. I owe them something because they gave me an opportunity to play a game and make a living. That just wrong. That makes me wrong to hear my people say that we don't owe anybody anything.

Yes, the hell we do. And yes, the hell he do. And I wish he was here to get what he has earned. All right. He says, look, I want him to be more gracious. But I wish he was here to get what he has earned. How was that met? It was met with this tweet from T.O.

Rich, being Rich Eisen, he sounds ridiculous and I don't owe anybody anything. Must the side and after effects, must be the side and after effects of drug use. I'm going to leave it at that. Definitely won't be any hugging going on. Yeah, talking about taking something to 11, right? You're like, look, all he said was,

I wish he was here and you came back in it with, must be all them drugs you use, Michael. Tio is the guy in the conversation where you're talking a little bit of trash back and forth, and he says, that's why she slept with Jimmy. You're like, whoa, whoa, that's why your wife left you. That's why you got fired. Like, whoa, whoa. There wasn't any part of the conversation between Rich Eisen and Michael Irvin,

to which any sort of retort or clap back from Tio should be taking to the level of, hey, Michael Irvin used to have a drug problem. Right? How deep are we allowed to go into your past, T.O.? How far back? So, I mean, it's almost painful to watch a guy who, this should be a period to which he should be revered for what he did on a football field,

in spite of many of his own antics. He revered, a Hall of Famer. There's like 300 of them. That's it. And the entire earth. 318. 318? About 300.

Anyway, point is, instead, he just keeps making himself look worse and worse and worse. Which, by the way, is Tio is exactly who you think is. He's that guy in the argument that takes everything personally. Right. I mean, he's the guy who searched his name, found a tweet from August 3rd, and just now responded to it. like really you don't have other things going on you don't have a life to live like that's that's reserved for trolls right to go back through your Twitter feed to go back through your mentions to search your name and find something that we're working on two weeks two weeks removed that somebody said about you which oh yeah by the way wasn't even harsh and to go super personal

And over a decade into the past into drug use, Tio is exactly who you think he is. In an effort to be big, he looks smaller and smaller by the day. Actually, less. There's 310. It's even more elite. It's only 310. Thai law gave me that number. I was good with 318. You could have just gone with it. I love your ability to be exact. I like to be correct. All right. There's one thing you can always count on when it comes to New England Patriots. And the answer might surprise you. I'll share it with you next in the hurt.

What up? Welcome in. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be making it as part of your day. Thanks so much for joining us here. Fox Sports One, Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. Wait for the sound.

Trying to time it out perfectly. I was trying to time it out perfectly. It works better when it's radio only. It just, it does. It works better when it's radio only. Trust me on this one. That's the voice of the lovely and talented Joy Taylor. We were talking a little bit of T.O.

We're talking about binge while. I want to get into this binge. watching, are you allowed to binge watch shows on your own when you're in a relationship? Part of Joy's new podcast, which dropped last night. Yes, maybe I'm crazy podcast. Maybe I'm crazy podcast. We'll get into that in 15 minutes after we get a visit from our crazy uncle, Rob Parker. He'll join us in, in mere moments.

But look, there are things that you can count on in sports, right? There's just things that you can count on in sports. It's like you can almost expect to see. Steph Curry is one of these weird when he shoots a basketball you're almost you're more surprised when he misses than when he makes statistics be damned

even though statistically he misses more shots than he makes. The fact is that that's just how the mind works. But you can almost, you're almost guaranteed it feels like when you watch the Golden State Warriors to see at least one stretch where they throw in a ridiculous number of threes in a row. The San Antonio Spurs

are, does anybody realize how redoubt ridiculous what they did, what they were able to achieve last season in even staying in the playoff hunt was. Kauai Leonard plays nine games. Tony Parker comes back from the same injury, which he said was 100 times worse, obviously, than Kaui Leonard's. And he's washed up, washed up.

Dejante Murray, who can't shoot. They played him a little bit too early. So they got Dejante Murray, throwing out, Pau Gasol, Lamarcus-Aldrich's recharge. And suddenly, in the ever-competitive West, they were right there. There was seven seed, but they're like, two back of being a three or a four seed. Equally impressive is what the Patriots do year after year.

So when I read this story, I read this story, I take it with a grain of salt. Philip Dorset, of course, they traded four from Indy last year. Suffers some knee injury in practice. Now, the early reports are that he's going to be okay, but Dorset has, he has not lived up to any of his billing when he was drafted in Indy. Indy or so far during his time in New England. Cordero Patterson, highly drafted guy, but a guy who's more of a returner. Eric Decker, there was a reason Eric Decker was on the street.

Remember, they've already cut Jordan Matthews and Malcolm Mitchell. Kenny Britt, never healthy. Another guy probably hasn't lived up to his billing coming out of college. Julian Edelman, we know, not going to play the first four games. But in the things that you have to absolutely see to believe and even then you might not believe him, the Patriots just figure out a way, right? They just figure out a way to whether they go on the waiver wire or they just go down to the mall.

Hey, how fast are you? Close enough. Can you catch? Can you line up in the right spot? Will you go where we want when we want it? Cool. Show up at Gillette on Sunday and we'll have Tommy Terrific throw you the football. I'd love to say the sky is falling.

Gronks never healthy. Edelman wasn't healthy last year off the ACL and not there the first four games. I can't tell you who else are going to line up out wide. Even Braxton Berrios, who I really love out of Miami. I'm like, there's a dude, feels like future patriot. And sure enough, he is a patriot. Like, I have no idea who they're, but they find a way to make it work. They just do.

They just do. That's the biggest parallel between them and the Spurs. That they can just almost invent a guy. Chris Hogan, right? Like, really Chris Hogan? The only misconception about Chris Hogan is you think he's probably like 5,8, 5,59, right? Like Welker, like Amandola, he's actually 6'22. But they just find a guy to which no one else in the league has seemingly found a consistent use for,

and they're not only useful, ridiculously effective. So I'd love to tell you that the sky is falling in New England because of the rash of injuries. Look, they're getting hurt, and they haven't even played legit, season games. So they're going to sustain the likelihood is they're going to sustain another injury or two. That's just the game. That's just the sport that they play. But I still

have complete faith in the Patriots because well, I got 15, 20 years of history to tell me that they're going to figure it out. And with that we welcome in our crazy uncle Rob Parker, Fox Sports One instigator. By the way, he just got an award from the, I believe

the next. The with the National Association of Black Journalists, correct? Absolutely. He's a professor at USC, and he co-host the show called The Odd Cup with Chris Broussard, Sunday 6 to 9 p.m. Eastern Time. Doug, what's happening? You love Tom Brady.

You secretly want to be Tom Brady. No, I don't. Tell me I'm wrong that Tom Brady isn't going to find a way to figure it out, even though we have no idea who he's going to throw it. You're wrong. Absolutely wrong. You're those guys, and a lot of people in the NFL do it. They pick the Patriots every year. There was like a 10-year-old.

stretch when the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl before the last two that they won, but yet people pick the Patriots every year. You know this, Doug, teams like this that have sustained a long run and had success, when they usually lose it, the bottom drops out. It's not a gradual where you go from 11 wins to 9 wins to 7 wins, and then people say, okay, the run is all over. It's 11 wins and then 7 wins, and you don't make the playoffs. and this is where it is.

I'm not one of these guys that likes to sound the alarm, but sound the alarm. The bottom is going to fall out. We saw it. Last year, their defense, 24th rank, did you see them get mopped up by a backup quarterback in the Super Bowl? Yes. They're not that good.

Were the Eagles, was the Eagles defense good? Yes. Did the Patriots punt in the Super Bowl? It doesn't matter. Who won the game? Did they make the big play? Did they make the big play against Tom Brady? They did.

They were still in the Super Bowl. The question is, if you are not going to pick the Patriots, are you going to pick somebody else to win that division? I might pick the New York Jeterpolitans. Please stop. I'm not stopping. How many drugs have you taken? No, I haven't taken any drugs.

All I'm saying is at some point, everything doesn't work out, Doug. And Tom Brady has had, when you start the year with the AFC lease that he's played in for all these years with five and six wins to start the year, It makes it easier. Okay, so why would the run stop if we all agree? Like, look, the Jets are going to start a rookie quarterback, probably the start of the season, maybe early on the season.

Tom Brady's 41 years old. Yes. Okay. Yes. Tom Brady won the MVP by default last year. Okay. And all I'm saying is... He still won the MVP.

He did. Whether or not he should have won the MVP or not, like, he just, he won the MVP. I got it. All I'm saying is that usually when a dynasty or team of success has the end of that run, it's usually they fall off the cliff one year. That's usually what happens. Would you agree with that? Yes. Yes. But usually you can see signs of them starting to fall

apart. And then... All the injuries, all the issues that they've had. I'm just saying, going in, you could go ahead and pick Tom Brady and the Patriots because it's an easy crutch for guys who don't want to look deeper than just take the obvious. The Patriots are the obvious. I get it in the

AFC. I saw the Jacksonville Jaguars lead 20 to 10 going into the fourth quarter. Did they win the game? No, they did not. Who hurt you? Nobody hurt me. Who hurt you? I think he's been studying the law of attraction and he's trying to just speak this into existence and manifested.

Is that what it is? It's not your fault. You want to do the goodwill hunting thing? What do you want to do? Lay on the couch? It's not your fault. It's not your fault. All right.

What about the Eagles? Elaine Johnson? He's like, look, I said what I said. I have no problem saying that they... I love it. What's the likelihood that they see the same success? year two that they saw last year? I think that they have a better shot at seeing success

because what they bring to the table, if you told me Nick Foles is going to do what he did again this year as a backup quarterback and play this well, I tell you it's not going to happen, that they're not going to win a Super Bowl. But now you're telling me that Carson Wentz, who was the MVP of the league, has something to play for.

That Super Bowl ring that he got is Cubic Zorkonia. He wants the real deal. He wants to be the guy that leads that team. They got better. They made moves. They're not the underdog. Woe is me. Nobody respects us.

They went and kicked the Patriots butt in the Super Bowl. They beat Tom Brady. They should feel as confident as ever. And now they got their MVP quarterback who's going to be ready at some point. And he's going to come back. He has something to prove. He won't let them get fat. and lazy because they won a Super Bowl.

You know why? Even though he was on the team and he has a ring, he knows deep down. He didn't win. He wants to win. It's the best scenario for the Eagles. That's why I like them so much. All right, listen, it's a great point that you make.

The counter to that is, yes, while he is motivated, I guess one, when do you play him? He might want to play right away. Do you wait? Because you're like, look, you're going to be our quarterback for 10 or 15 years. No, I got it. They could be a game or two. You don't have to rush him.

When you do that and you run the risk of injury, you run the risk of him trying to prove how good he is. But then you have the rest of the team, which has its chest puffed out. Like, look, they were really good last year, really good. It could have lost the Falcons at home in week one. Could or what or should. You want me to go down to Patriots? Patriots should be one in seven in Super Bowls. I could give you the list of everything that happened to them that worked out in Tom Brady's favor.

And they could very easily be undefeated. in Super Bowls too if you want to kind of go the other way to it, right? David Tyree catches a ball against his helmet. West Welker drops the ball that hits his fingers. Like, we could do that. The point is that... You mean Tom Brady missed that throw to Welker? That was a missed throw. You hit him in his hands? No, it didn't hit him in his hands. He had to twist

and change his body. Hold on. Did it touch his hands? No. No. Did it touch his hands? No. Did it touch his hands? That was an easy throw. Nobody was around him, Doug. You could take a look at that a million times. Skip Bayless is the biggest Tom Brady Homer. And Skip Bayliss will tell you, Tom Brady missed that throw. He did miss the throw. It still hit West Walker's hands.

It did. And Wes Walker. I believe Giselle said it best, my husband cannot catch every ball that he throws. All right. Real quickly, Kyle Kuzma, thinks that people are underrating, undervaluing this Lakers bunch.

Now that we see the roster, what do you think about what Kuzma's trying to sell us on? I love Kyle Kuzma, the player, what he, you know, his rookie year, what he did for the Lakers. but I don't think people are underselling them. I just don't. LeBron James, as great as he is, remember,

that Cavaliers team last year is better than the Lakers team that is assembled right now as far as experience and guys who have been there, done that, won a championship. And they struggled, and I'm talking about, struggled against the East. And you're talking about they went seven games with Ola Depot and nobody with the Pacers. they had went seven games.

This is with LeBron James against the Celtics with two stars missing and it was a struggle. Now they're coming out West, they could be a six, seven seed. People have them as a three seed or four seed. I just don't see that right off the bat. I think every team out West will look at them as a challenge, will be up for them game after game after game.

I agree. There will be no easy games where people go, oh, the Lakers are coming to town. This will be a cakewalk. Listen, I- Not at all. You're actually helping make my point on the Eagles by making my point on the Lakers. The thing that we can't account for is the fact that every team or every fan base and every team has that game circles. Like there's 82 NBA games.

Every game is not played at a high level. But when LeBron and the Purple One Gold come to town, it's played at a much higher level, right? Every seat is sold. And there's that, and they start out with a very difficult schedule. I think 12 of the first 15 games against playoff teams from last year. But the big thing is you can't account for what a team is going to be like

because they're going to play above their level. Now, LeBron's going to lift up their level. And I do think that the young players are going to be better because it's not a static environment, right? Brandon Ingram's going to be better. Josh Hart's going to be better. Lonzo is going to be better. Second year, together, third year in the league,

second year league, they're going to be better. And then you add in LeBron. You hope so. Kwame Brown never got better. There's players who don't get better, Doug, in their second year. Would you admit that? Yes, you're getting better, you're getting worse.

Is Brandon Ingram going to get better at 20 years old? No, I would think. If Brandon Ingram going to get better or get worse? I would think he would get better. Is Josh Hart going to get better? I would think he would get better. I'm not sure about Lonzo Ball. I'm not convinced.

I'm not convinced. Okay. So the point is, I think they're going to get better. And I think LeBron will raise their level. I think they're bench. Can LeBron fall down as he gets older? Father time is undefeated. Everybody thinks LeBron is going to win.

There's no, that's a great point that's not made enough. that LeBron James was not the same player defensively. He doesn't move, but he did. He played more games, but he wasn't as effective as active defensively, game in, game out as he had been previously in his career. But like you'd admit, the Lakers bench this year, coming into the year, you know, like, look, Lance off the bench, Lance is a starter, don't love. Lance is a bench player, love.

Rondo off the bench, love. Javelle McGee, starter bench, love, especially considering he under, he's bringing that culture that you learned in gold state. My point is, I do. think we don't account enough for how you're viewed, how the level of attention to each game. That's the big thing with the Eagles is they may be better, but everyone's going to be shooting for them because they're everybody's biggest game. And that's the same thing with the league.

No, I agree with that to the Eagles, but I just think that you have a driving force when it's a quarterback who played at that level last year. You remember he ran through the NFL, and he was clearly the MVP before he got hurt in the final couple of games. Did it cost them? Yes. Look, Minnesota had Case Keenham as their quarterback, and they lost Alvin Cook. Dallas Cowboys didn't have Ezekieli for six games last year.

That changed. The New York Giants lost all their wide receiving core. Their defense was fighting amongst themselves. Their head coach was a joke. Like, their division is legit. I think the schedule and people's attention to them and the fact that, frankly, the NFC had a litany of injuries last year, helped the Eagles, just as it probably helped the Patriots as well.

and I don't know if they're going to get that benefit this year. Crazy Rob Parker, check him out, and I mean that. I wasn't that crazy. Today, I was like on the money. The NABJ, that's the National Association of Black Journalists, Journalists of the Year. Journalists of the Year. It was a definite honor, and I loved every minute of it. I was back in Detroit for it, so it was great.

Thank you. But by the way, you just picked the – you said I might pick the Jets. I said the Jeterpolitans. Are they in the league? He's wearing a green tie, a green kerchief, and celebrating the national NABJ's journalist of the year said he might pick the Jets to win the AFC East. Words to live by.

All right, thanks so much. There's a rookie quarterback in the NFL I really like. I think he's the real deal, and I'll tell you why I continue to be worried that his team's going to screw it up, and it does relate to Rob Parker's prediction. That upcoming next. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin here on The Herd or in The Herd.

however you decide to use the English language. Never forget my first year at Notre Dame playing college basketball, watching tape, and John McLeod's our head coach, and he's pointing, you know, he's a laser pointer, and Tony Weish, Anthony's now an assistant coach at Lehigh, and a very good one. He's the guy who discovered and worked with C.J. McCullum when he was in school before he became a star with the Portland Trailblazers. Anyway, Anthony Weish, what are you doing right here?

And he said, where am I at, coach? Turn on the lights. John McLeod, 18 years in the NBA stands up, always Natalie attired and says, where you are is basketball, where you need to go is English class, never end a sentence in a preposition. So if I continue to butcher the English language, it's not John McLeod's fault. We'll do a little buy, sell, hold. Buy sell hold up coming in five minutes.

First, let's get to Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so the Broncos. Case Keenum is set to. be the starting quarterback for the Broncos, and their backup spot is still up for grabs, despite the fact that Vance Joseph named Chad Kelly,

the Broncos number two after Paxson Lynch struggled in their first preseason game, and of course, Broncos fans decided to start a go-fundee page to get him cut. Put him off the field, too. Yes, that also. But John Elway is not quite sold. You know, I'm not going to tell you, we're definitely going to stand, Pat, but I'm not telling you we're going that direction either. We've got to have confidence that that guy that's going to be the backup.

Can play. Can play and win football games. And so that's why we're still in that process of trying to see if we got that guy, you know, behind Case. Yeah. I know Paxton Lynch is always guy, so he's probably pushing it a little bit for that purpose. Not that I have some deep belief in Chad Kelly either. But does somebody else need to start picking the quarterbacks for the Broncos?

It's a crazy thing. We did the stat on Speak for Yourself. He's drafted 48 guys during his time as general manager. and a successful general manager, winning a Super Bowl. Oh, he was a Super Bowl. Okay. As general manager of the Denver Broncos,

none of them have been Pro Bowl. There's the guys in which he's drafted. And of course, you know, Brock Osweiler was his first pick at quarterback, and he picked Brock Osweiler because maybe he was, he's actually John Elway's son's best friend. They were roommates together at Arizona State, right?

So that was a bad pick. Paxton Lynch was a pick that didn't work out. So, yeah, look, I think it's really hard to evaluate the quarterback position. Really hard. You know, I mean, look, Dak Prescott fell where he fell. Yeah, I mean, Tom Brady went in the sixth rounds, so sure. So there have been plenty of mistakes.

But it is interesting that one of the greatest quarterbacks any of us have ever seen can't seem to identify what a great quarterback looks like. So Carmelo Anthony finally signed his one year $2.4 million deal to officially join the Rockets on Monday. And yesterday, Mello released a thank you letter to the Thunder organization, their fans and his former teammates. He concluded his letter by writing in life. I've learned that things don't always turn out how you want. I wanted nothing more than to make it work here

and help bring this city at championship. I'm sorry did it didn't work out while I was here. This chapter of my career may be coming to an end, but the story is far from over. Love always stay mellow. I really like it when guys put something out. It may seem like nothing to most people to just put out a little statement thanking fans and stuff,

but not everybody does that. And I do think it's nice that when you, leave a place, especially one where it seems like you've left on bad terms or there's some sort of issue between you and the organization or you in the city or you and the fans that you just say something. Like, Kauai put out a statement. You know, it felt like it was like too late. But it's still something. Like, it's still, it's still an effort. It may seem like it's, nothing, but to me it matters. Yeah. It's, this is, this is the super, super easy way to do it. Well, I mean, I don't know what else they're supposed to do. Like they're supposed to

Well, you can do the press conference or magazine or... You do the newspaper. I mean, people still... Well, that's what Kauai did. Right. Especially in a place like Oklahoma, if you really knew Oklahoma, you would do the Oklahoman, you know, buy out the entire back page. But it's fine.

He was only there for a year. It's not like he spent his whole career there. I'm fine with it. I just, I have no idea if he really has been humbled by this. I just don't because I would thought he would have, but he was so unwilling to see any sort of change in Oklahoma City. And then there was an Instagram post when he was overseas, which wasn't great.

Like, this appears to be one to which it's closure, it's good. There's nothing wrong with the post at all. I have no idea whether or not Mello was humbled and whether he understands that Mello 2.0 is going to have to be somebody who evolves and changes as opposed to being just

a high volume guy that plays with the starting unit. Yeah, when Jason left Miami to go to New York, well, it wasn't simple, but he got a billboard. So I don't, I don't have any problem with Melody. Like you said, he wasn't there long. And we won't find out if he's evolved until the season starts. Sure. We'll watch and see. So last summer, the Celtics made big moves for trading Kyrie Irving and signing Gordon Hayward. And they're taking over his favorites in the east with LeBron moving

out to the Lakers. But Kyrie might not be staying in Boston next summer. And Paul Pierce told the Boston Sports Journal that he wouldn't be surprised if Kyrie leaves. He said, who would have expected Kevin Durant to go to the Warriors? LeBron's in Miami a few years ago. There's no loyalty to a franchise anymore. That's the generation we live in. Guys want to play with certain teams. They want to play with certain guys they know. They're showing they have the power. I don't believe that loyalty is a thing that actually exists in professional sports. I think it's a concept that is sold to fans because you want the fan base to be loyal

to the team through good and through bad. But players and organizations, in reality, have no real loyalty to each other. And they shouldn't because it's a business. They are professionals. they were working for a living. I totally disagree with you. I just, there's no obligation to any organizations to keep a player who is falling out of grace

or is not playing as well just because they happen to have been with the team for so long. I think the Dallas Mavericks and Dirk Novitsky are incredibly loyal to one another. They keep giving him contracts and he keeps taking less money. You see examples of it, but as a whole, nothing is absolute in everything, but as a whole, professional sports is not a loyal institution.

So I don't have a problem with players leaving and going and making money or playing where they want to. go because that's that's that's that's that's that's honestly what makes the NBA so interesting the off season and NBA free agency is more interesting than the regular season. Yes I do think it's but I think one of

the reasons it's more interesting is because you don't have guys that stay long enough. I think it hurts the NBA more than it helps the NBA. I think in time I think back in the day when you only saw certain teams on your television and you had to watch a certain time that

mattered now that you can have a package and watch any team, anytime, anywhere on the planet, and you become fans of particular players and stars over organizations, the mobility helps the league more than it hurts it. Yeah, I disagree, and you look at the NFL and the franchise tag and how quarterbacks stay generally in one place.

I think that allows us to identify a play. We identify a team with a player. But the NBA is a star-driven league, the players of the power. Yes, but if you look at the numbers for the league, they're up only when those particular teams are playing, not overall. And you look at the number of people that watch the NFL in comparison to the NBA, they pale.

Some of it is, it's only on a couple days a week, right? There's fewer games. I understand that's a factor in it. But some of it is, if you're not loyal to your team and they're not loyal to you, you don't have the same guys, it's hard to know who's what and who's where. It's fascinating. As for Kyrie Irving, look, I do have a little bit of a little bit of knowledge on this thing. And I understand what Paul Pierce is saying. Like, we couldn't have seen it.

I can only tell you the people I know in Boston have all told me. Kyrie loves it here. And the idea that somehow he'd be bothered by other success is kind of laughable. He's able to build his brand to have a very good movie, by the way, while he was a member of the Boston Celtics. And oh yeah, by the way, if he's smart and he stays, he'll make more money and he'll have a chance to win more championships. Everyone's tried to fix the Knicks. name the guy, Larry Brown tried to fix the Knicks. Pat Riley tried to fix the Knicks. Phil Jackson tried to fix the mix.

Well, that's because going back to our culture conversation earlier, starting from the top, there's not a great culture there. I do think it will be different this year. I like David Fisdale. But the rumors for Kyrie to New York are going to go on all year, obviously. But there's a little bit of this Ray Allen to Miami thing going on with Paul Pierce, too. And that's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. I like to sit in Colin's chair and do some of Colin's things. No, I don't get to live in his house or drive his nice cars or even go to his new house up in the mountains. No, I don't get to do those things. But, but occasionally I get to use some of his devices, like one of my personal favorites, buy sell, hold. Time to buy. Colin will decide if he'll buy it sell or hold. I like that I'm on the graphic now.

I like that. It's impressive. They move fast. They do move fast. See, Colin, don't come back. Although you've got a new contract. I think I'll just keep this chair warm. Go ahead. By seller hold, Ezekiel Elliott will lead all running backs in receptions this year. Is David Johnson back playing for the Arizona Cardinals?

Supposedly, yes. Alvin Kamara back year two with the New Orleans Saints, isn't he? Todd Gurley. Todd Gurley still plays football in the National Football League. Levyon Bell is going to play for the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, at some point? Yeah, so look, Zika had, what, 58 catches in two seasons? I understand some of that was limited because he's suspended six games. And he's really worked on his past receiving skills.

But he's 32nd interceptions by running back last season. I think he'll improve. I said this yesterday. I think this is like Rod Tidwell, right? Rod Tidwell in Jerry McGuire. He had to dance in order to get paid. Ezekieland has to catch the football in order to get paid Todd Gurley plus money. He will catch more passes the next couple of years.

I'm going to sell, though, that he'll lead the running backs and receptions. Buy seller hold. Aaron Rogers will not win another Super Bowl. He will not win, right? He was not win. He turns 35 in December, and as we talk about the good luck of the Patriots or the good luck of the Philadelphia Eagles, are the bad luck of Aaron Rogers. You know, the team doesn't recover an onside kick

and Russell Wilson's kind of fluke play. That was a Super Bowl year. He hasn't had the defense around him. It's the big reason that they changed defensive coordinators and general managers in Green Bay. They're putting more athleticism outside the numbers for him. I know he doesn't have a running back, but I do think his offensive line is healthier than it has been,

although it's very early in the season. I'm going to sell it 12 to 1 odds to win a Super Bowl I think he's the best in the business I think he's the best in the sport and I think they're giving him better talent on both sides of the football eventually he'll get there

I think he'll win a Super Bowl by seller hold Tiger Woods will win a major in 2019 well he has the second best odds to win the Masters and remember the reason Tiger has been so good at the Masters is the Masters is the Masters is now

not extra punitive when you hit it in the rough. You can still find a way to make golf shots, as he did on Sunday at the PGA, right? And then you look at where they're playing just in America. Beth Page Black, obviously very, very long. But you got Augusta and you got Pebble. Two places he's won a ton. And look, he was, was it in February?

February of this year, he's playing at Riviera and doesn't make the cut. You look at his improvement. He's gotten better. and better and better. I understand he's getting older, but as you get healthier, as you get confident, you don't forget how to win.

He's solved the chipping yips. He's still the best, he's when healthy, the best iron player that golf has ever seen. I'm going to buy that Tiger Woods will win a major in 2019. Buy seller hold. Carmelo, Anthony,

will come off the bench in Houston. Carmelo said he's going to let it play out. They got PJ Tucker. And I think come off the bench is would they start him? Like, Javelle McGee started for the Golden State Warriors, right? Was he part of the Hampton Five?

No. And I think end of games, you go to PJ Tucker, you go to Eric Gordon, to go along with James Hardin and Chris Paul and Clint Capella, that's your finishing five. That's your best five. Because you can't play Carmelo at five. I don't think you get away with PJ Tucker at five.

So I think they'll tinker around with it. But here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to hold this one. Hold, please. Because the term starting, he'll probably start. I just don't know if he'll finish. Almost like there should be a finish. That should be a stat.

That wasn't the question. The question wasn't finished. The question was starting. Last one, buy seller hold. Sam Darnold will start week one. I don't want them to. I don't want them to just because I want to be sure. I want to give him confidence.

let him learn from Josh McCown or Teddy Bridgewater, whoever they pick, probably Josh McCown. And by the way, if they played Teddy Bridgewater and helps his trade value, that could get a player back in return, which is what he really needs, really needs. Donald has had the majority of the first team reps practices versus Washington, and Josh Norman even said, he looked great. Josh Norman doesn't play for the Jets. It's the Jets. They got a bright, shiny toy. They broke it out of the box. And you're like, hey, don't play with it. You ever try that with kids?

Right? You ever try that with your kids? Like, oh, I know it's Christmas, I know you just got a bunch of toys, but let's not play with it today. You get a kid a skateboard in Connecticut. They're going to break it out on Christmas, even if it's snowing outside.

Of course the Jets are going to start Sam Donald of week one. I will buy that. Buy, my, buy. All right. So, look, I am, speaking of Donald, I'll tell you why, I do think that starting in week one is a bad idea.

I'll tell you why. Coming up next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is The Herd. I want to get to what Josh Norman said about Sam Donald in a second. We mentioned Joy Taylor has her podcast, which dropped last night. And on it, you discussed, I think this is a huge issue with couples, huge issue with couples.

It's very important stuff. the question is whether or not you're allowed to binge watch your own shows correct? Right. So Earl and I are looking for a new show and several people have recommended snowfall to us, so we're going to start. But like it would not be an option for me.

It would be selfish of me to just start watching the show. Cannot watch. If it's decided that you're going... Watching it together. Right. Then you watch it together. So I've, the new season of Insecure on a HBO just debuted the first episode of season three. Now, I've already seen season one in season two. I'd like to start season three, but I'm going to wait until he watches and catches up before I started. Now, I could start it.

He probably wouldn't be too mad, but it's called... On Insecure? Of Insecure, yes. I have no idea, by the way, what Insecure is. Like, is it good? Great show. Great show. Very funny. HBO. Okay. Got it.

Anyway, the point is, it's a very important thing. Like funnier than Veep, funny? Veep is very funny. Yeah, it's equivalent to Veep. Okay. But it's a whole system of how and what type of shows you're allowed to binge. Like I watch Handmaid's Tale. He tried it.

Hated it. So now I just watch, that's my show that I watch when I feel like binging something. That's fine. Right. Yes. Like I've binge the Americans and I've seen almost all the Americans. But your wife doesn't like that show. Well, she hadn't ever heard of it.

And then one night the kids were around, we watched like two of them. And she's kind of in. And she's like, well, I don't even know if I want to get in on these because you've already watched them. Like, look, I'll go back and watch them again. Like, I'm okay with that. Right. I just want to, like, she's never seen Breaking Bad.

And I watch Breaking Bad on my own. I could never kind of get her in. It's like one of those. She only seems to want to start binge watching a show if I will start binge watching with her. But I have, I just have a great, I have a, I require less sleep than she does. Right. She wants eight hours a night. She's the nicest person on earth.

Any less. Yeah. And when you're in the same household, you have, you have your routines. So it's like everybody has different rules for how for their shows. Ryan Music recently engaged, the producer of the Doug Gottlieb show, which you can hear on Fox Sports Radio 3 to 6 Eastern, 12 to 3 Pacific, following this show on many of the Fox Sports Radio affiliates. It should be all the Fox Sports Radio affiliates.

Let's just be honest. Anyway, Ryan, by the way, congratulations on signing up to lose half your stuff while on vacation in Hawaii. Thank you, Doug. Looking forward to it. Yes, looking forward to potentially losing half your stuff. you committed a major relationship Fopat, right? Apparently, yeah, I learned the hard way.

So we agreed before the movie was actually in theaters, she said, hey, I want to see this together. What movie? American Made, the one with Tom Cruise, about the drug and weapons trafficking and everything. Got it, yep.

So before the movie even came out in theaters. Does Tom Cruise play a cocky weapons manufacturer weapons sales? No, he's a pilot. Is he a cocky pilot? I mean... Yeah. I mean, Tom Cruise kind of plays same character. Yeah, he is. But it's a very good movie actually.

With the exception of Vanilla Sky is like the only one where he went out of character. Right? Which by the way was widely pan. Anyway, go ahead. So before it even came out on theaters, she said we should watch this together. So I'm taking that as while this movie is in theaters, we should go see it. Well, that never happened.

So now this is like seven months later on a flight back home. I think it was actually from the Super Bowl, I watched American Made. And when I got back, I was like, oh, hey, I watched American Made. It was pretty good. And she was like, you watch that without me? Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't do that. Sorry.

And there's really kind of no. But I thought the shelf life was if we're seeing it in theaters or not. No. And there's also, there's the other part of the rule. You are aware. Maybe you're not aware of the other part of the rule. You can't do that. She can.

Well, yeah, we can do whatever we want. Yes, but if we say we should watch that together, then for the entirety of the time that movie is available for watching, we have to watch that together. Goulet, I'll point out that I think the kids got a chance just because he said, we agreed. And then he ends up telling the story, and it's really she said. But she's saying means we agree. I feel like it's for an unimportant movie, that should be fine. If it's like Infinity War, I get it.

You got to watch it together. or new Star War. Like a Tom Cruise movie that's not even Mission Impossible, who cares? But which should have led him to, you were probably on American and there's other selections anyway, right? Like you gave in to the dark side. The selections were limited. Perhaps other options.

I honestly don't remember. You had the option to nap. No, coming back from the Super Bowl, where was the Super Bowl last year? Minnesota. All I'm saying is once we say we should watch that together, we're watching that together. If you choose to go rogue and be selfish and watch it yourself and be entertained

without her company, then you've got to deal with the consequences. Although, here's one kind of side. You are doing a good job of setting a precedent of agreeing to things and then just kind of making an amendment on the fly, which is big because you're anything, it's a lot like a relationship and getting into marriage is a lot like raising kids. Don't do once

what you're not willing to do a thousand times. I don't fold close. Really, my relationship with my wife, This is 20 years, we've been together, 18 years married. I attempted to fold clothes. I just happened to fold them rather poorly, right? So, like, give me that. She used to work at a T-shirt shop when we were in college,

so everything is perfect. So she gets frustrated. She's a perfectionist. Everything is perfectly folded, perfectly in the right drawers and everything. And I got out of it. I set up Preston early. So this is actually a good thing. If you're willing to, if you're willing to accept,

there's going to be some consequences. It might be on the couch. You might get the stink eye for a couple of days. that you know what sometimes I just want to watch a show because I want to watch a show. I actually think that could be a good thing, right? Lesson learned. Lesson learned. I think you handled it properly.

Josh Norman had something interesting to say. The Jets and the Redskins are having joint practices. Take a listen to, this is Josh Norman, Pro Bowl cornerback, in regards to the Jets rookie quarterback. Someone asked me about him. I was like, yeah, whatever. And it's just, you know, routinely, you know, just a guy. Then you go out here and you see him make these throws, I'm like, all right, that's not so much of a college level throw.

Dang, you know, you're getting rookies in here, you're trying to like mess with him and invade him a little bit and thinking that he was going to throw a route that, you know, you can make a play on, and he's not having it. I couldn't invade him like I wanted to, man. And he saw it, so he read it out and he read it out like a vet and he got to, you know, tip your hats off to a guy like that. It's pretty impressive, right? When a veteran from another team says that about a rookie, and then take a listen to Chris Carter, Hall of Famer. Of course, first things first, had this to say about those scrimmages. In practice, though, because you don't have the cameras there filming everything,

they are throwing pro-defense. They are throwing the most complicated things at him. So what he is telling me, in those sessions, he tried to fool Sam Darnel. And based on the intel that he's picked up working with quarterbacks, he's very, very impressed with what he's seen. Josh is not someone that's out there just giving up praise for players. He's not. And look, I think everyone's impressed with Sam Donald.

That's why he should have gone number one overall. That doesn't mean the Jets should play him right away. It just doesn't. There's no rush. If he is, in fact, your franchise quarterback for the next decade plus, then what's the rush? What, just because he's better than you thought, you have Josh McCown, you have Teddy Bridgewater.

By the way, you want to pump up Teddy Bridgewater stock so that you can move him and get an asset. You want to maintain Josh McHown, who is better than anyone could have expected last year after they parted ways with Ryan Fitzpatrick. People thought they were going to stink. I know you learn more from playing than you do from sitting, but you do learn something from sitting. And you run the risk of the David Carr, the taking too many sex. I mean, ask yourself this. Can you name a New York jet? outside of Sam Darnold, Josh McCown, and Teddy Bridgewater.

Kenya, can you name one? A skill position player? Try. Try again. This Bilal, pal. Like, you start, oh my gosh, wait, my head starts spinning. There isn't a rush, even if he's way better, way further along. He's only 20 years old, started for a year and three quarters.

All right, coming up next. The Eagles are becoming the Patriots, but I'm not sure they realize what that entails. I'll share it with you next. Gottlieb, this is the herd. What up? Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd. Joy Taylor is alongside. Man, we got a good, we got a good third and final hour of the show for you. I'm fascinated by people not understanding exactly what it means to be a star, what it means to be a host, what it means to be a boss. What it means to be a boss. or what it means to be a champion.

Right? It's like, I'll just tell you, like I sit in this chair for Colin. And look, I've been, I was Collins fill in going back to our days at the other place. And I, the staff here knows I adore them. I love coming here.

And a rhyme music, who's my producer, gets a chance to join me. But you've always thought when you do a radio show, like, what would it be like if I had an awesome staff, an awesome set? I'm on TV. I'm on radio. I had all the different resources. And it's great.

but it's also a lot of work, right? When you have the TV, you've got to get in earlier. You've got to plan things out because TV has to know where you're going with different things. You've got to know the guests. You've got to know all the kind of, you get, I'm working with Joy who does this on a daily basis. She has her own space to which you have to find a way to get in and out of. And there's a certain timing to it. And additionally, there's speak for yourself, a show that he's been on since its creation,

which, you know, based upon how it's done here, you get in at 6-615, we have a meeting, we prepare the show, we start at 9 on the West Coast, 12 on the East Coast, we do the show for three hours, then you meet for the next show, you take a breath, you have a bite to eat, and then you go tape another show. The idea is, it seems like it'd be a great idea, great cake, and it is, and I'm sure it's really good in the first and the 15th

if you're calling Coward, but there's a lot that goes with it, right? People say they want to be a boss, man, if I was in charge, it's great. You have great ideas. You know, the thing is, if they don't work, you're going to get fired. Secondly, you're going to have to fight. You don't just get to hire people. You have to fire people.

I know, yeah, by the way, you're responsible for the people who are under you, even if you really don't have any say or control in what they do. Like being a boss is cool because you get to make your own to say. It's not like owning your own business. My dad owned, he was a basketball coach, and then in addition to be an AU coach after losing his college coaching gig, he turned that into a business as well as an interior design business. They own their own business for 30 years. That's great. But, you know, listen, what are you going to do, 401K, IRA, you're going to throw into that?

Are you going to match any of your employees? You know, you have to help them out with health care. There's insurance. There's a lot of things that go. Everyone says, I want to be my own boss, but guess what? You don't have a safety net, right? You don't have a safety net. I think everyone in sports wants to be a champion.

Who doesn't? And people think, well, if we do it, we're going to have fun doing it. It's the thing that the Golden State Warriors have really captured. And I do think that the Eagles want to emulate. Like, it's one of the things lost in the Eagles' message in which it's become so, in many ways it was so anti- anti-establishment or maybe even anti-patriots that they went away from, I think,

what they wanted to be, which is, hey, you know what? It's still sports. Let's go out and have some fun. We might talk a little trash, but you know what? We're having a good time. That's what the Warriors want to be. By the way, it wasn't always fun for the Warriors this year. The Shakespearean line is heavy as the head that wears the crown, right? Heavy as the head that wears the crowd. And so when I when I look at the Philadelphia Eagles this season, I get that Carson Wentz didn't play in the playoffs,

and on paper you put Carson Wentz healthy behind that offensive line that's also getting healthy. With all their weaponry they have, assuming all Sean Jeffrey is back, healthy, which he is not right now, and that defense, incredible crowd, really well coached, really well coached. And you think to your sense,

why the heck not? Why the heck not? Why can't they win it again? Why can't they do it their own way? Why can't they have fun? And the answer is because it's really, really hard. It's difficult. We mentioned Carson Wentz. All Sean Jeffrey is hurt. They do have guys coming back from injury. And not every guy that comes back from injury is the same. Is as good. We assume that a medical science is so good that every guy that comes back from injury, it's like Tommy John surgery. There's this assumption that every guy who comes back from Tommy John surgery is going to be better. But the stats would tell you it's really more of a 60 or 70% shot that a guy comes back better than he was beforehand. Same is true with any surgery.

I'm yet to find the doctor that comes out of the operation on the athlete that says, I have no idea how I just did. I had a long night. It's my fifth surgery of the day. I might have screwed it up or not. Every surgery was a success. Every athlete is expected to make a full recovery. but they don't, they just don't.

In addition to which, you're different when you walk into a room and you're a boss. When you walk into a room and you're a boss, how you dress is viewed differently. You have to be more buttoned up. If there's a, should I wear a tie, not wear a tie? When you're the boss, you always wear the tie. if you're a guy that used to that used to show up just on time when you're the boss, you always got to be early.

And when you're a football team that wins a championship, talks some trash, goes out and beats the Patriots, trashes them up. When you go on the road, you're everybody's biggest game. So look, I get that the Eagles are like, hey, puffing out our chest, we did it last year, we weren't fully healthy. Why can't we do it again?

because it's hard. Here's Ty Law, three-time Super Bowl champion, former Patriot, also former Jet, a couple other teams. Talking about the Eagles and the difference between last year and this year. But now everyone's gunning for you. You can't play the underdog. You can't play any more of these masks on with the dogs out and being the underdogs.

Right now, you're the team to beat, and everybody's gunning for you. So we're going to see what your team is made of. We're going to see what type of character, with type of coaches, with type of players that you guys are now that everyone's chasing you. You lost your top two assistants on the offensive side of the football that made your offense dynamic, that helped rescue Nick Foles who wasn't good early on in the playoffs, or early on when he started to become a starter after Carson Wentz went down.

You're going to lose, they're going to pluck off parts of your staff, which happened. You have guys coming back from injury, hey, there's guys that already have won a championship that are there, that are going to be supplanted because of it. And more than anything, you are now everyone's biggest game. And so when I hear Lane Johnson continue to double and triple down on his feelings about the New England Patriots, I don't think he understands what it's taken to be the Patriots. Look, I'm not a Patriot fan.

I didn't grow up in New England. I'm not a Patriot fan boy at all. but if you don't respect the 17 years of consistent success when you're everybody's biggest game, when you know the expression that they hate us because they ain't us? No, no. They really hate you when you're the Patriots. They do.

They don't like Belichick. They think you got tapes on everybody with SpyGate. They think DeflateGate is what helped you win a Super Bowl. They think you lucked into one or two with the Seahawks not running the football. that's how you're viewed. Even last year when they, the Steelers should have beaten them, if not for the catch rule,

which has since been amended, the Steelers get home field advantage. It's a completely different playoffs, completely different playoffs. Who knows if the Pats with that very average defense survives? I mean, think about it. By the way, Steelers had to lose Ryan Shazier

in order for them to fall apart defensively against the Jaguars in the playoffs. But more than anything, And this is what the Lakers will experience. When you have LeBron James, you're everybody's biggest game. There's a different level of energy in the building, a different type of preparation leading up. Here's Lane Johnson, who, dude, he's a really good player, a really interesting story. In addition to being suspended two times from PEDs, he's actually very smart, very funny.

And I like that he has never backed down from anything he said about going into New England in the preseason. Are you expecting any type of backlash for a lack of better words for the comments that you've made? Oh, yeah. I hope so. I hope they raise hell to cuss me and they can say whatever they want. At the end of the day, I'm not blocking them. I'm blocking the guys on the edge, so it really doesn't matter what they say. I know that I'm not going to be well-like,

and this team they're going to be well-like going to be well-like going to there, so it's going to make us so they can bring out our best. Yeah, it probably will make them bring out your best. And look, I don't think anybody who's been in sports knows that the billboard, the material, what is it, not billboard material, right? The material that's, any sort of headlines that draws your attention.

That doesn't win football games. But what does win football games is the attention to detail, the energy in the building. And when they go to Tampa Week 2, do you catch a break because you don't have James, Winston? Sure. But, dude, Ryan Fitzpatrick has pulled plenty of rabbits

out of his proverbial hat. When they go to Tennessee, who shouldn't have been? been in the playoffs. But they were in the playoffs. They do have Marcus Marioada and that's going to be their biggest game. When they go to the New York Giants

who last year lost their entire wide receiving court injury and they get them back and they added Saquan Barclay. They reconfigured their offensive line. You don't think it's a different level of preparation. You go to Jacksonville. You go to New

Orleans. You're everybody's biggest game. The most impressive part about the Patriots is not the six Super Bowls, or excuse me, the five Super Bowls. It's that they've been consistent. The league is designed to level itself out. Last year you had a fourth place schedule. This year, you have a first place schedule. Your schedule is more difficult.

Your coaching roster is depleted. Your roster itself is in flux because of injured players coming back off of injury. And you're everybody's biggest game. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. You're judged differently when you're a boss. You're judged differently when you're the host. There's a different amount of importance in your level of preparedness because everybody's expecting greater things out of you.

And so I'm fascinating to see if the Eagles who want to take shots at the Patriots really understand what it's taken to be the Patriots for the last 15 plus years. I briefly mentioned this, but like the Eagles, the Lakers have a new set of challenges with LeBron on their team. I'll tell you what those challenges are up coming next. Friday on Fox. The Big Three playoffs are live from Dallas. Catch Baron Davis, Nate Robinson, and other NBA stars as they hit the hardwood with a trip to the championship on the line.

It all begins at 8 Eastern on Fox or stream it live on the Fox Sports app. And don't miss the Big Three championship on Friday, August 24th. Eddie, Catina Mobley, and the Pride of Waterbury, Connecticut, Ryan Gomes. Remember Providence star? Yeah. We have another Connecticut born, right? Not just my kids, but John Goulet, he's a Connecticut guy, right? Pride of Canton.

Were you born in Hartford? Yeah, Hartford Hospital. Hartford Hospital. Yep. Right, same as all three of my children. I didn't know if it was St. Francis or if it's Hartford Hospital. It's good for breaking that down. We don't know where Ryan Gomes or Quentin Richardson or Big Baby Davis,

who is big, big, big baby Davis. He is in shape. round is in fact a shape. I saw this from Kyle Kuzma yesterday, and I thought it to be very, very interesting in the Lakers still kind of trying to feel out what it's like to be on Team LeBron. Like it's kind of different. And there's been many reactions to the additions to their roster.

What are they doing with this Michael Beasley and Lance Stevenson? Ooh, I like Rondo. Is Rondo going to start ahead of Zoh? What do they do with the young guys? Should they have trade up? There's a lot of conjecture about the roster. Here's Kyle Kuzma in regards to his thoughts on everybody else's thoughts on what they're going to throw out their next season.

Both definitely excited about, you know, the roster that we have and the pieces that we have. and, you know, we think that a lot of people are underestimating us. So, you know, it's going to be, you know, fun. It's definitely going to be fun playing with all these new guys. Look, in fairness, everybody thinks that the haters hate, right? Everybody thinks that, you know, even LeBron, I'm not supposed to be here. Like, dude, you're 6-8, 260 pounds. You're an incredibly gifted athlete.

Where else were you supposed to be? Everyone creates these enemies, whether they're real, whether they're just digital on social media, or whether they're just in their own mind. So the idea that people are downplaying us is a narrative you could see with any team in the NBA, any team in the NFL, anybody in Major League Baseball. Like, I'm sure the Red Sox who have a chance to set the all-time mark for most wins of the season, And at some point, there'll be a red side comes up and goes, nobody thought this was possible.

Like, actually, everybody thought this was possible. Look at your starting rotation. You know, maybe nobody thought you'd win more games than anybody in the history of the sport. Right. But everybody thought it was possible. I mean, look, even the people are in denial of who they are. But I do think that one thing that Kuzma, and this relates to the Philadelphia Eagles, one thing that Kuzma and the Lakers are going to find out as, like,

there's kind of two different types of NBA games. There's NBA games and then I call them Cologne games. You can't put on Cologne every night. Like, at least I don't. I know there are guys that put on, they got their signature scent. There are women that do the signature scent or whatever. I kind of think it loses its meaning.

It loses its spark when you do have that date. You know, in a Cologne game or a Cologne night, you go out, you shave. you make sure your hair you know like you get your neck neck trimmed up if you're a dude you want to make sure that you look you wear your good jeans I'll valet on this night

normally self-park on this night I'm going to valet that's what it's like in the NBA like you can is it reasonable to think that the that the Lakers their young players it's not static Ingram's going to be better

Coos is going to be better in year two zoe is going to be better Josh Hart's going to be. That's reasonable, not just because of LeBron, but because of their own personal improvement. You're getting better or you're getting worse. Nobody is. It's not a static environment. But you're everybody's biggest game. You're everyone's Cologne game. And we talked about the energy and preparation in the NFL. In the NBA, dudes make shots that they never would have made. They play above their level because of the energy in a building. Not everyone reacts well to a full building, but most teams when you got a full building, you're going to get a couple more calls. You're going to

have a little bit more juice in your legs, make a couple more shots. And sometimes that's the difference where they call it a make or miss league, right? That's the difference to make it and missing. So normally you look at the schedule, and by the way, it's pretty tough. You get trailblazers, rockets, spurs, they're like, sons. Suns stink. Sons were trying to stink last year. They got some, and the sons will play far above their level. the fourth game of the season. Why? Because it's the Lakers.

Right? Because it's the Lakers and because it's LeBron and because it'll be a full building. Oh, well, they take on the Mavericks. You know, the Mavericks, Dirk is washed. Like, dude, that's the night when you'll get a glimpse of old Dirk.

Because you save up, save up, load up. And that one night, that's the night you Valet Park. That's night you put on Cologne. That's the big night. What we can't quantify, in our, you know, when you're trying to do over and under, is the type of energy you're going to get from the building and from the other team and the performance.

You also can't quantify it with your own Lakers because they thought they were playing in the NBA, but they're playing. So many of those games last year were meaningless games against teams that were trying to lose. And so even though you put up big stats and big numbers and won 35 games when people didn't think that was even possible, even though you had injuries and you kind of had a turnstile at point guard

and no real bench, those weren't games that matter. Now they all do matter. And you're going to be held to that higher standard because you're playing with LeBron. Let's get to Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Jaylon Ramsey's become one of the NFL's most well-known trash talkers, and he continued that brands with a recent interview with GQ, where he offered up his unfiltered opinions of several NFL quarterbacks, Some of them include Joe Flacco, who, quote, sucks. Matt Ryan, who's, quote, overrated, Ben Rothesberger, who's decent at best, and Andrew Luck. I don't really think he's that good. And then he really came for Josh Allen, said he's trash and it's going to show, too. That's a stupid trap victim.

We'll play them this year, and I'm excited as hell. I hope he's their starting quarterback. A lot of negativity there. A lot of negativity from some pretty well-regarded quarterback. He said some of those, not all these are quotes, but he said some of the, nice things. Aaron Rogers does not suck. Does not suck. I think you said the same about Tom Brady, correct? Tom Brady does not suck.

Russell Wilson is good. Let's see. Deshawn Watson, he'll be league MVP in a couple years. I agree with that. Matthew Stafford, he's straight. Who else? Tyrod Taylor's better than he gets credit for. That is also true. Although I really feel like Tyrod's getting a lot of love.

I don't have any problem with what Jalen Ramsey is doing, though. I wish there were more personalities in the NFL. It's one thing that I think... You don't have enough personalities? I don't think that the NFL elevates the personalities and their stars the way that the NBA does. And I understand it's different.

There's more players and they were helmets. They have a helmet on. Right. All the more reason why they should do more to elevate this type of stuff. People get sensitive. Like, they're just talking trash. Jalen Ramsey is somebody who goes and backs it up. I don't think...

I don't think... Who's sensitive about the talking trash? I mean, this is a story because he's trash... I mean, people are going to be sensitive about him trashing quarterbacks. the quarterbacks of their team. Sure. Like he's made himself public enemy number one whenever he goes and plays any of these people.

You think Bill's fans are going to be kind to him? Well, Bill's fans weren't going to be kind to him anyway. The question comes down to, well, Josh Allen make him pay, right? Like, he didn't say anything about Tom Brady. I'm going to go back like 10 years ago. There was a Pittsburgh stealer rookie. I can't remember his name.

Yes, that he called out Tom Brady. He called out Tom Brady. That they're like, oh, really? Right. And I don't believe he's still in the National Football League anymore. Nobody can even remember his name anymore. So that's the only, that's the only way to shut him up. Yeah, but Jaylon Ramsey believes that he's not going to have to worry about that.

Look, I think I agree with you in that it's not about personalities. I think this is part of sports, right? Like a limited amount of, like, as it doesn't get personal and it doesn't go overboard and we don't get the OBJ deal where you start fighting. Like, trash talk does have a place in sports. Sure. Saying somebody sucks does have a place. in sports. And especially at his position. Yes.

Absolutely. It's position dependent. It's wide receiver, cornerback. You almost have to. Almost have to. So the Browns got even more interesting. Todd Haley and Greg Williams reportedly got into a screaming match after Baker Mayfield got hit during practice. We saw what happened to Ben Rathesberger getting a, he's in concussion protocol after getting bumped in practice. So Baker told the media after practice that he was actually a fan of the coach's

arguing. It's just a fiery competition. You want practice to be eaten. You want to challenge each other. You know, that's a type of competition you need every day if you want to see your team get better. You get two sides of the ball that care about it that much. It's important to you. So, you know, that's the way it should be.

But, yeah, there's certain measures that you need to take to protect your quarterbacks. And so that's the emphasis on it. We were talking a little bit about Brown's culture earlier in the show. I don't mind training camp fights. Those happen almost every day at training camps all over the country. That's just that's the nature of what's happening. You're out in the sun and you're practicing all day and you're tired and stuff. That's just going to happen.

But having arguments between coaches, I don't know that I love that. I feel like you got to keep that behind closed doors. I get it. You really should not be hitting the quarterback. Like nothing happens so it's okay. But that can go badly. Yeah, it can go very, very badly. Like, look, you don't touch the quarterback.

I didn't play in the NFL. You didn't obviously. Your brother did pretty well. But we all, everyone knows can't touch the quarterback. And by the way, like Greg Williams, there's a certain amount of, you want a little bit of a psycho on defense, right? Sure. You want that kind of energy.

But he's a guy that occasionally that energy goes over the top. And a little bit too much infighting. You have, what was it the most? there was that Mary Kay Cabot wrote something along the lines of of the two of them are the most alphas of alphas you can ever find. Like there is a little bit of fighting for the

Oh, Todd Haley and Greg Williams. Yes. Yes. I remember Greg Williams was suspended for Bounty Gate also. Correct. And for the record, people who hate Bounty Gate and the suspension for Bounty Gate, they weren't suspended just for Bounty Gate. They were suspended because they were told to stop Bounties and they kept doing bounties.

That's the real reason they were suspended. I just, I don't love it from the coaches. You're going to it from players and that's totally fine. I think it's almost needed. But if you want to establish a culture there, I don't think that's what you're looking for. You have to have that type of energy from your players. And I think the coaches, if you watch, having watched Hard Knocks, I do think that there's something missing there. There's not enough of internal leadership of guys getting everybody going. And I think that's why you're seeing this type of energy from the coaches. They're trying everything they can to prod these guys. By the way, the guy that called out Tom Brady was

Anthony Smith. Anthony Smith in 2007. He retired in 2012. Finally. If he retired right after the game, that would have been better. But anyway. Finally, super teams in the NBA, it's a big point of contention with a lot of people and the Warriors being the one to beat.

But C.J. McCollum is not a fan of this new trend, and he had this to say. Some people said that maybe in the future, the Warriors would become a team, that everybody, when he becomes free, just want to join them and get a champion. and then, you know, go to another team. People have that kind of thoughts. What do you think? I would never do anything of that nature. No?

Yeah, I think that's disgusting. You don't like it? No. So, it's disgusting. Disgusting. I heard it. Well, we know CJ McCombs, not joining the Warriors. Or the Lakers or the Rockets.

I love, like, CJ even, he got clowning his own podcast because he was like, We should have gotten to Markets. You're like, dude, you already have Nerkich. You already, like, the reason that the Portland Trailblazer are limited is because they play two big guys, which you can't. They're going to try and throw Zach Collins out there at the four, which is not going to work. Look, I get it. You don't like it.

And I don't think the DeMarcus, I think the mass overreaction to the DeMarcus cousin thing is quite comical. I think it's comical because he's not playing for a lot of money. He's not playing for a lot of money. He's not playing until March. Other teams could have gotten them. My issue with people getting mad at the Warriors in general, even calling them a super, team. They weren't a super team until Kevin Durant got there. Last I checked, they drafted those guys. Do better at the draft. They got, they drafted them. They didn't put those guys

together. It's not, it's not their fault. They're better at drafting people than you are. When Kevin Durant came there, then it became a super team. They did add Andrego Dala, but yes, you're, I mean, it's Jamon Green, Steph Curry, and Clay Thompson. Yes. That's the core. Andre Aga Goddala, obviously huge piece, but that's not what made them a super team. It was Kevin during it. Well, that's what made them an artificial super team. You can still be a, we're arguing semantics. Right, right, semantics. But the point is, I do think that a lot of players do feel how C.J. McCollum feels.

Yes. And it's somewhat, I think there's, there's a level of jealousy when it comes to consistent winning that anyone's just going to naturally have because you want to be on that level. But I do think a lot of players actually have a problem with it. Oh, I guarantee they do that. Like, we're putting in work and nobody's, and nobody's paying any attention to us, and we feel like we have, we have no chance.

Nobody likes the one you have no chance to compete. I do think that day is coming, but I think it's a year from today when that day is coming. That's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. He's a two-time Pro Bowl or a Super Bowl champion. He's an all-around good guys.

Greg Jennings, he joins us in The Herd. I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in. I want to ask about the Browns because we're coming off of hard-notch. Because of my tie? And because of your tie. And because, and because. Des Bryant is visiting the Cleveland Browns, right? You've been a former Packer going to visit other teams and you know how this game is played. It doesn't feel like there's any other visits

lined up and it doesn't feel like either have been all that invested in this happening or at least happening right away. What's your sense of what happens during and after that meeting between Des Bryant and the Browns? Obviously the Browns are going to go into this looking at where he is mentally and most importantly physically. With the workout, they want to see what kind of shape he's in. They're going to make sure he's running the route tree to their liking. And again, on air, anyone can run really good crisp routes. It's when there's a defender in front of you how those routes now are changed.

So I think Des Bryant's approach, Des Bryant approach is I want to see what the culture is like. I want to see if it'll be a good fit for me. Well, if I were in his corner, I would say, look, Des, we need to get you on the field. It's not so much if it's a good fit for you. This is like the only option that's out there. It does feel like it's kind of the only option.

What led, like there's a pie, right? It's not like one thing. You got to cut it up into pie. What's the biggest thing that's led him to being on the street? I know some of it is when he was ultimately released. Some of it is the fact that he had a lot of drops last year. Some of it is that he's not as athletic as he used to be. He's not a great route runner.

Some of it is the personality. Like, if you had to go in order, what's the biggest thing and what's the thing that really we pay more attention to than they actually do in the NFL? I think the biggest thing is his lack of production. his production declined. And anytime you are an older player in this league, the league doesn't get older, it gets younger.

Right. And your production doesn't stay at least consistent. And it starts to decline. That is a additional knock on you of why you're not going to make as much money. And it gives us the option of, well, is he even worth us paying him? And so I think that's the biggest deal. His production went down and his drops went up. So when you look at those two things and you look at a receiver and then you add in,

I don't want to call them antics, but his passion that can sometimes get in the way of his play on the sidelines and impact and influence. Those are antics, Greg. Look, and then tweeting that dudes that you used to play with are snakes. And that's one of the reasons you got. That all happened after the fact. I'm saying, but during a season, you're going to have to deal with him, his emotional roller coaster of lack of targets, lack of opportunities, whichever one you want to put it in the category of. And then whether or not he feels like he's being utilized the way he feels he should be utilized.

And that, for me, is the biggest thing. From a player's side, your pride. Yeah, I mean, listen, Adrian Peterson last year, right? Adrian Peterson, who's a first ballot Hall of Famer. First ballot Hall of Famer goes to New Orleans and not getting the touches, not feeling the love, different role. They got three running backs and said he could do it, said he would do it for less money.

The moment they traded him, the second they traded him, they became a dynamic offense. The second they did. And I think that's people's fear is we're going to go get a guy who's only played one way. And even though I think the way that if you're a Des Bryant fan, or even Des Bryant, like look, you got Jarvis Landry,

he's the number one, he commands a double team. I go against the second best cornerback. I may have lost a step, but I haven't lost two steps. Like in his mind, this will give me a chance to be even better. The reality is, though, he's not going to do well without all those targets. No, and he needs them if he's trying to

stay in the league and accumulate those statistics that he once had. Here's a deal. When you're a player in Des Bryant's position, it's different when you have all the leverage. He has zero leverage. So the Browns are sitting with the upper hand in the better suited hand saying, okay, when you come in for this visit, are you going to be willing to adjust and pretty much take on who we want you to become and who we need you to be for our team?

if you're not, then we don't even want to deal with it. If you come in with the, Des Bryans can go into Cleveland today and say all the right things and get himself a job. And then turn into whatever. But sometimes you got to play that game. You need to let them know, look, I'm not coming in here trying to be the guy who gets all the targets. I want to come in here and work.

You can say all those things and it potentially will get you a job because Cleveland Browns, they do need depth. And they're relying on Rashard Higgins and Antonio Callaway to step up and fill the void of Josh Gordon, who we don't know his status. All right. Speaking of depth, the Patriots need some depth at wide receiver. They're not going to have Edelman first four games. I don't make a big deal about the Brady being frustrated deal, but I do make a big deal of Philip Dorset goes down with an injury. It doesn't seem to be serious.

But I'm trying to find out who he's, who else other than Rob Grunkowski and his running back, is he going to throw the football to? What are your thoughts on what can only be described as an average, at best, Patriots-wide receiving court on paper? I am concerned. I'm not concerned with what Tom Brady can do with the pieces that you put or the pieces that you afford them to play with, because we've seen him do more with less than any other quarterback in this league.

However, when I look at just their receiving core, and you talk about Elman not being there for the first four games, You lost Amandola, you lost Cooks, you bring in a Cordero Patterson who really isn't a receiver. He's more of a slash player. He's a specialist. He's a specialist, but he's a gadget player. And they don't have the easiest offense to learn. And he's going to have to acclimate himself and discipline himself.

Again, another person who can, he has all the talent in the world, but can he discipline himself to run those routes to be where Tom needs him to be. I don't concern myself with Tom, but these young receivers, they're worse off than what he's ever had. No, listen, it's a little bit like what they had on defense last year. It just seems to not have any playmakers outside, obviously, of Rob Grancowski, if healthy. Greg Jace, have you been contacted by the Patriots? You know what?

I have not been contacted, but if you are looking to contact me, I am off limits. I have no interest in going back to that. No interest in playing. We'll be covering the games this year for the NFL on Fox. All right. Thanks so much, Greg. We're going to play a game, which is without question, the toughest game we have ever had on this show. I cannot wait to play and win it.

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has come up with a game. It's a challenging game. That type of game can only happen in a place like New York where you have two teams who no one actually knows who's on their right. roster. It's called Jet or Met. It's time for the game where we name a player and you have to guess if he's a New York Jet or a New York Matt. Let's play Jet or Matt with your host. A man whose name would have rhymed with Jet and Matt if it wasn't so damn French.

John Goulet. Very nice. Very nice, Mr. Goulet. I want to point out, I mean, like, listen, I usually, I get in. Madden. And when I get Madden, that's how I remember what every skill position. You play every team on Madden. And that's how you know, remember, oh, I remember he's on a team. I honestly have a tough time remembering who's on the Jets. And I got no idea who's on the Mets right now. Well, this should be easy for you then. Okay. First one, Travis Swanson.

Jet or Mett? Yes, Jeter Mett. Joy's going to jump in and play too. What's your lean? Travis Swanson? I'm going Mett. I'm with joy in this one. I'm going to go Met as well. Swanson sounds like a baseball name. That guy's a jet. He's the third string center out of Arkansas for the Jets.

Next one, Ben Braden. Braden. I'm going to go Jet. I'm going to go Met. That guy's a jet. Oh, for two. Braden's a good football name. Who's Ben Braden?

He is the third string left tackle out of Michigan. We're going third stringers. I mean, it's so fun if you. He went to Michigan. Yeah. And you got to do the... Did you go to Michigan. Yeah.

Do you go to Michigan. Okay. Jeff McNeil. Jeff McNeil. Met. That sounds like a jet. That guy's a Met. Oh, for three, Doug.

He is the Met second basement. Is he? Yes. No idea. I didn't know that either. No idea. Philip Evans. Jet.

Go in Jet as well. That guy's a Met. You are not good at this, Doug. Oh, for four. Joy's at least got a couple. She's got one. She got one. Third baseman. Yeah, she got two. She's killing it.

Chad Hanson, met or jet? Chad Hansen, uh, met. Chad Hansen does sound like a met, so I'm going to go jet. That guy's a jet. Yes. Wide receiver out of Cal. Who knew? That's a good strategy for these games, actually.

Right, right? Did you have, did you like, did you honestly, did anybody that's know? Did anybody say Chad Hanson? Like, Chad Hanson's parents are like, wait. Oh, yeah, the Jets. Honestly, we tried some out this morning in the meeting after you left, and I might have gone like 0 for 9. Bobby Wall, Met or Jet? Bobby Wall.

You fight the Wall and the Wall won? You going Met? I'll stick with you. I'll go met on this one as well. That guy's a Met. Correct. He was actually their losing pitcher last night. They played a baseball game last night? Apparently.

Brian Winters. What wasn't the Dodgers blowing another save? I wasn't really paying attention? Brian Winters? Yep. Or the Astros losing another one, nine in a row at home. What? Brian Winters? Brian Winters.

A Met or a Jet? That's a Met. That guy's a Jet. Starting right guard for the Jets out of Kent State. I almost went to Kent State. Kent Reed, Kent Wright, Kent State. That's what they call it. Oh, is it?

Yeah. Yeah, it's like, wait, hold on. Let me take the entrance exam. Oh, I was going to run track there. Still it. Do you run track? Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Met or Jet? Neil Sterling. Neil Sterling. Man. I mean, this is 90-man. roster stuff here, right? This is not a starter. Is he still currently

a Jet or a Met? Yeah, we haven't had the September call-ups for the Mets either. I'm going to go MET. I'm going to go Jet. That guy's a Jet. He's a tight end out of Monmouth. Monmouth, which is in New Jersey. He's all Jersey all the time. Tyler Bachelor.

Matt. I can't wait to see who the next Bachelor is. Sorry, that's terrible. I'll go Jet. That guy's a Met. Relief pitcher for the Mets. All right, I got two more.

Brandon Schell, Met or Jet? Met. Go in Jet. That guy's a jet. Catch a net or Doug? I appreciate it. Okay, last one. Blake Wheeler. Blake Wheeler.

No, that's not the name. Wheeler, who's the pitcher for the Mets. That's not his name. Is Zach Wheeler, I believe. Yes. So I'm going to go Jet. I'm going to go Jet, too. That guy's a jet. All right. But hold on.

What? He is actually a Winnipeg jet. Very clever. And that is Jet or Met? I was a Jets fan for a year. It was a fun year. It was a fun. How are you?

Oh, okay. Jaynevin' Jetson for a year. I got it. I fully embrace the whole Jet fandom for a year. Right, right. And Hard Knocks year, too. Yes. It is August 15th.

Are you familiar with what August 15th signifies? It's national relaxation day? No, it's actually, it might be that, but it's also John Gullet's birthday. Oh, happy birthday. Yes. Thank you very much. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday, John Goulet. Happy birthday to you. The pride of Canton, Connecticut. Every year the stupid picture gets shown. That is an old picture. Goulet was not exactly the picture of goodness. I really hope it was a New Year's party. Wow.

Happy birthday to you and both of your chins in that picture. That's amazing. Well, I grew a beer to cover the second one up. I think you did. And you succeeded. Joy Taylor and I are back tomorrow. Happy birthday to our guy, John Gulley. No, we don't know who the Mets, the Jets, the Jets, or the Winnipeg Jets are.

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