The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Patriots, preseason, Colin Kaepernick, and the Lakers

Episode Date: August 17, 2018

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb breaks down the injuries during the NFL preseason, the New England Patriots making a statement, John Elway's comments about QB Colin Kaepernick, the differences between New York Jets QB Sam Darnold and Arizona Cardinals QB Josh Rosen, and Jeanie Buss' comments about some "fans" not happy about LeBron James signing with the Los Angeles Lakers. Guests include Ben Volin, Rashad Jennings, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in for Colin Calhard, the lovely and talented and very Canadian. What? What? You are very Canadian. I'm not very Canadian. I lost my accent. Rachel Bonetta joins us today. Very Canadian. Here's how I know you're very Canadian.

I said, do you like Sean Mendez? My daughter recommended a new Sean Mendez song, and your lead wasn't, you didn't say, yes, I do, no, I didn't. You said, he's Canadian, right? Because he is. That doesn't make me super Canadian because I know more about pop music than you, Doug.

You were checking hockey scores on your phone. Junior hockey scores. It was really uncomfortable that somebody from Medicine Hat suddenly pretends like they don't love all things Canada. I'm not going to be offended by this. I am very Canadian and I take that. I wear it as a badge of honor, friends. I didn't mean it as a negative.

I just meant it as that's who you are. Rachel Benetta joining us. So, dude, is all the cast of characters. By the way, if you're sick of me, don't worry. So is my son sick of me. My son before he went to sleep last night. He goes, Dad, can we go play basketball in the morning? And I was like, sorry, but I got to fill in for Colin.

Where's Colin? Where's Colin? Where's Colin? Why doesn't he work? Don't worry. Calhurt is back tomorrow. Apparently, he's selling lots of stuff. Excuse me, back Monday.

He's selling lots of stuff if you read the LA Times. Anyway, let's get to, we have news of the day, breaking news. One of the two first round draft picks of the New England Patriots tore his Achilles tendon, possible placement for Nate Solder. We'll talk about that upcoming in the show. Have some thoughts for you on the statement. made by John Elway about Colin Kaepernick and the picture that it paints as to the real reason Kaepernick is not in the league. And I do think that the Patriots looked good last night,

and I think there was a point that they were trying to make. I believe they made it. We'll get to that upcoming. But let's start with the New York Jets, who played last night in a preseason game after a week of scrimmages with the Washington Redskins. And Sam Donald looked okay as a starter. Okay. Okay. You know, he was sacked twice. He threw a pick. He was okay. And yet, considering the duress he was under, considering he's playing against the ones from the Washington Redskins, considering how quickly he got and disseminated the information coming from the sideline, got in and out of the huddle, if you actually watched, Sam Donald looked like he's going to be able to get it done. He looked like he's going to be able to make it. But he was also under pressure.

They didn't have their starting right guard. They didn't have the starting left tackle. I want you to, don't do this if you're driving, but if you're sitting at home watching us on FS1, close your eyes and try and picture who the skill position players are for the New York Jets. You might be able to name Robbie Anderson only because Robbie Anderson said some awful things to a police officer when he was arrested. Jermaine Kirscher, like, ooh, I kind of remember. Didn't he play for the Seahawks once? Terrell Pryor used to be a quarterback and used to be a redskin as well as a brown. Outside of that, the tight end group is about as bad and is no name as you have in the National

Football League. Matter of fact, if I told you Tomlinson, you'd be like, didn't L.T. retire after he was a jet, after he was a charger. Yes, that's not the Tomlinson. Isaiah Crowell never lived up to his hype coming out of high school. Bilal Powell, yes, and Thomas Rawls, okay. Dude, that is a no name a group as possible. If Bilal Powell or Eric Thomason was sitting right there on that couch and they told me who they were, I would still say congratulations, what do you do for a living?

When I tell you that you shouldn't start Sam Darnold if you're the New York Jets, it has nothing to do with Sam Darnold. He is kind of an old soul, right? He just turned 21. He only started a year and three quarters at SC, but he does feel like he has a balance about it. I've sat in this very same chair and told you that there's a difference between San Clemente, where he grew up,

and Manhattan Beach, where Josh Rosen grew up. And if you look at their two personalities, the blue-collar kind of nature, things just kind of roll off your back. It fits better to be a leader of a franchise. what Sam Donald has to offer as opposed to what Josh Rosen has to offer. And I think where they were brought up, how they were brought up is a big reason why. And their personalities in general. Sometimes it's not where you sometimes just, it's not nurture.

It is in fact nature. I like Sam Donald. But man, you got a chance to screw this thing up. Whether you want to reference David Carr in 2002 that seemed to take a million sacks and never recovered, or even if you look at the Cleveland Browns. Did the Cleveland Browns screw up a couple years ago by not selecting Carson Wentz? The answer would be probably yeah, right?

Like the Browns had to reach for a need and went and got Baker Mayfield. And if they had Carson Wentz, maybe the entire trajectory of their franchise would be different. Or maybe it wouldn't. I mentioned to Terrell Pryor, right? here's how much you can screw up a quarterback

if you start him too early behind an awful offensive line. Would Carson Wentz be Carson Wentz if he started for the Browns? Remember, that Browns team going back just two seasons ago started Robert Griffin, Kevin Hogan, Cody Kessler. Of course, Kaiser was last year. Terrell Prior even threw passes for them that season.

So did Charlie Whitehurst. I mean, look at look at, look at, what they have there. Look at what they did. This was two seasons ago, all the guys that threw passes through at least five past steps. And I know Terrell Pryor had begun, he was transitioning to being a wide receiver after being a quarterback with the Oakland Raiders. The point is that even though Robert Griffin's fighting for a spot in the NFL, Kevin Hogan, Cody Kessler, Deshawn, like these guys are lifer backups. Had you put Carson Wenz in that very same position, I'm not sure even Carson Wenz could have succeeded or survived.

Like you're better off letting Sam Donald sit. I'm not saying you redshirted him the entire season, but do you want to throw them to the wolves right away when everybody else is at full strength? Regardless of what you think of the talent of the teams like the Browns and the lions that they're going to face the first couple weeks of the season when they play three games in 10 days, that will be the best of those teams because they'll be at as full of strength as possible.

Look, offensive lines take the longest to come together. Teams don't hit as much. The offensive lines can't work together as much. And this is a bad offensive line that's been made worse by injury and we don't know how healthy they'll be week one of the season.

And my fear is, my fear is that we never find out how good Sam Donald could be because you put them behind a group and throwing to a group or handing off to a group that is up to his level. And so he's left to his own devices to do it on his own, to try and make plays.

And that's when you get hurt, you have turnovers. And when you have these two things, a reputation is established. And that's really, really hard to climb out of. It just is. It just is. If you don't think a reputation is hard to climb out of, look at Ben Affleck and Gile. Right? Ben Affleck, Goodwill Hunting.

Like, you go back through Ben Affleck's early career, and you're like, man, there's some pretty good movies. It was like seven years after Gile before he ever got a shot at a real legit movie again. I will grant you that Daredevil and Gile also were about the same time. Daredevil was equally putrid. He just shouldn't play superheroes anymore. No. Can we stop that? No. He plays, he's better off as like the Gone Girl character. Oh, I love Gone Girl. Batman. I love Batman. Yeah, you're the only, by the way, every guy in the world is scared to death of a Gone Girl. girl type of situation, right? Sure.

Yes. I would assume? Yes. I would hope. Yes. So it's one of those you love Gone Girl, probably because you read the book, the book's better. Uh-huh. But also because you're not the psycho girl, you're not the psycho that his wife was the

psycho. Oh, you're saying men are afraid of psycho women. Yes. We're all a little psycho, Doug. There's a, there's sarcasm there. But what do we know about sarcasm? Always it tends to truth to sarcasm. Yes.

What was the Glenn Close movie from the fatal attraction, right? Like fatal attraction was the 80s. All guys are scared of fatal attraction to Gone Girl is guys became very scared of that type of woman as well. As you should be. As you should be. Very Canadian of her. Like the humor. Just understand it's the humor might not translate.

In Canada, it kills. It absolutely kills. That's Rachel Bonnetta. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is the herd. My point is merely that, look, we sometimes look at a singular asset, and we think that asset will succeed no matter what he or she is surrounded by. But that's just not true. And you can do harm that is not fixable either to your confidence.

You're confident. Like, that's what happened to David Carr. Your confidence is shot. That's what happened to Shane Falco. in replace them. Remember, why did Shane Falco fall out of favor in the NFL? It's a great college quarterback. By the way, Keanu Reeves played Johnny Utah and Shane Falco.

He had an amazing, he won two high school trophies, two different schools. He had an amazing college career as a quarterback. But look, Shane Falco was footsteps. And if you watched last night, you started to see Sam Donald get rid of the ball quicker. Why does Sam Donald, why is Sam Donald the average pass attempt only five yards? Why he's getting rid of that thing? He knows they're coming, and they're coming hot. So in the order of reasons to start Sam Darnel,

it's because he's your future. He seems to be ready. He seems to be getting better. In the reasons, the pros versus cons, the reasons you wouldn't, he's still your future, whether you start him or not. That ain't going to change. By the way, once you start him, you can't pull him, so you're better off taking a breath and starting them later.

Oh, yeah, Teddy Bridgewater, who looks again like a viable backup quasi-starter. If you play him increases value, you can get an asset in return by trading him when somebody needs a quarterback right away. That can help Sam Donald when he eventually gets on the football field. And wait until he's surrounded by the right cast. Wait until the right script comes, right until you get the right opportunity for a show if you're in my business. Don't just take a job to take a job. Don't just put him in to put him in. What's the point? Jets aren't going to the playoffs. Sam Donald's still their future. He may be ready, but just because he's ready,

doesn't mean everybody else around him is ready to protect him. I submit to you if Carson Wins had been drafted by the Cleveland Browns, he wouldn't be the Carson Wins we saw last year or we expect him to be coming back off an ACL injury this year. Because you can do harm that cannot be fixed, irreparable harm, to a guy's confidence, to a guy's body, to a way a guy plays. Now quickly he gets rid of a football if you don't protect it. and surround him with the right caliber of talent,

and the Jets just don't have it. That's bottom five talent in the league, and I'm probably being nice. I'm not really good at being nice. In case you didn't know, Rachel, I think you've come around to that. All right, upcoming next. The Patriots stuck one finger in the air last night to football. It was not the number one foot finger.

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Doug Gottlieb in for Colin here on the herd. A little breaking news here. Tom Pellissarro, who works for the NFL network and NFL.com, tweets out, Des Bryant's visit with the Browns ended without a deal per a source. Door not closed yet, though. Generally, generally, when you go to visit a team as a free agent, if they want you, they don't let you walk out the door. We're talking about car prices, right, with true car.

I mean, that's the whole deal, right? They don't ever let you walk out the door if you're close. So it could so happen. Is that what you're saying? He didn't reach a deal yet, but he hasn't left. No, it said it ended. It ended. I don't know whether the plane, the wheels have gone into the jet or however, you know,

I think actually flew commercially, right? So, because he was signing autographs at the airport. imagine though that if you have like a Cleveland Browns T-shirt signed by Des Bryant and he never actually became a Cleveland Brown. You're like, well, that didn't actually happen. It's a collector's item. It is a collector's item, much like the Carmelo Anthony Atlanta Hawks jersey. Uh-huh.

Right? At least Rashid Wallace did play one game, one game for the Hawks. Jason McIntyre will join us. I'm not sure whether, speaking of sleeveless, if he's posing on IG or what he's doing. We'll get his thoughts, though. Last time he dressed like a magician, so I'm very much looking forward to his outfit today. I'm glad he had closed. Like, he's Mr. Instagram, Mr. Workout Video.

Can't wait. Always on vacation. I, I, I, there are a few people in this world I'd like to be. I met L.O. Cool J. last Friday night. I'd love to be L.O. Cool Jail. There's a guy I would switch lives with. Jason McIntyre's another one, right? Like, seems to be living a good life.

We'll get his thoughts on his jets. And to get his thought, take, if he, see if he agrees with me on this. Now, there is some bad news. Is some bad news. to the New England Patriots who thumped the defending champion Philadelphia Eagles last night. Final scores don't really matter. They just don't in preseason football. But it's the feeling you get. And the feeling you got week two, at halftime, it was 27 to 7. The pats were up on the Eagles. They end up winning 37 to 20. And while you say, dude, DG,

It's the preseason. Why does it matter? In it of itself, it doesn't matter. All we worry about, did you come out with injuries? Isaiah Wynn, who's one of the two first-round draft picks, the New England Patriots, out for the year torn Achilles tendon. It should be pointed out that the people would say, well, he was going to replace Nate Soulder. He was working as a backup.

It's important. They did not lose a starting left tackle or starting guard. They lost a backup. Eventually, he'll probably be a starter. and he'll give the Patriots a chance to redshirt him, kind of like the Chargers redshirted Forest Lamp last year. It's not good news, but it's not a death knell to an offensive line that continues to evolve. What I saw last night, what my eyes told me was the Pats were making a statement.

They were putting a finger in the air. It was the middle finger. I couldn't tell whether it was directed at the league, at the anti-patriot narrative, or at the Philadelphia Eagles. And I think the answer is probably D, right? Which we're always taught in school. Once you see all of the above, always go with all of the above, I think it was all of the above.

Tom Brady played the entire first half last night. Seemed weird, didn't it? Like, why is Tom Brady still out there? Because they were trying to prove a point. They were trying to point out, hey, man, Philadelphia, we're still here. a little different when you're the champs. To those people who said there's some rift between Belichick and Brady, every marriage has fights.

Every marriage has screaming matches at some point. You're together long enough. The other person is going to absolutely wear you out. But you've still been together this long. There still is the love, the appreciation for one another, all the things you've been with, the reasons you got together to begin with. I kind of think that was I don't kind of think I know

that was a statement. Hey, still the Pats. Do we have Edelman first four weeks season? No. But when we do, he's going to be a beast. He's still got something in the tank. Was our defense great last year? No. But look how we've changed it. Now Brian Flores is our defense coordinator. And though there's not a lot of game playing and scheming, those dudes got after it. That defense played fast last night, especially on the edge. Don't believe me, Nick Foles hurts his shoulder.

We'll update you when we find out how bad that shoulder. Strip sack, fumble. The defense was making plays. The offense had multiple threats at running back. Tom Brady did what Tom Brady does, spread you out, find the mismatch, find his guys. Brady playing the entire first half, the Patriots seemingly running it up a little bit against the Eagles,

was a statement. It wasn't the index. finger, it was the middle finger. You think we're done? You think we're old? You think we're dysfunctional? You think we care about Malcolm Butler who doesn't play here anymore? Okay. You come into New England, you come out with the L. That's the way it works. This is a reading the T leaves. This is body language style of play and why the hell is Tom Brady still out there? There's a reason. Statement made. I got it. And oh yeah, by the way, to the Philadelphia Eagles. this isn't the only time you're going to get the best of somebody else.

You want to have somebody wants to buy a billboard in the way for us to the stadium. You want to talk trash to us at the victory parade. Hey, dude, we've been through five victory parades. We've lost Super Bowls before. We still come back and won double-digit games. We went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl. It doesn't matter. We're still going to win 10 games, going to get to the playoffs.

We're going to be there. We don't know if you'll be there. And every game you play, you're going to get a better effort, a higher level of attention to detail than you've gotten in previous years because nobody's sleeping on the Philadelphia Eagles anymore. Statement made, we understand. Patriots know what they're doing, know what the narrative is, and they just spent the half convincing us that all of that was false. Let's get to Richard Bonnetta with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, Doug, you just mentioned the billboards. It's worse than that, okay? Pat's Eagles last night. We talked about this yesterday. Eagles put up a billboard right outside of the stadium. We'll show you that picture again. Go birds, world champs.

So, you know, everyone had to drive by this in order to get to the stadium. Odds are, Brady's hot. Have you ever been to Foxborough? I have. I've been to Gillette Stadium. Okay. Now, when you went there, were you covering the game or are you going as a fan? I think I was going as a fan not to football because the New England Revolution play there.

Okay, so you haven't really. So for the other football. Yeah, no. So I've not been to an NFL game there. Okay. Let me explain why a billboard on the way into Foxborough is more prominent than a billboard on the way into any other stadium in the national football. It was like one road. It is the, how that deal got done.

Remember, the Patriots had signed a deal to move to Connecticut. They were going to Connecticut. And then all of a sudden they're like, well, and last second, they got approved to build that. Boxborough sounds really good. To build another stadium right next to their old stadium. Right. But the idea that you have a stadium, which is kind of positioned in between Boston and Providence, kind of middle of nowhere.

They got Patriot Place, which has a hotel and has some nice restaurants. But there's one road in and one road out. And if you go on a game day at tailgate time, a drive that'll take you 10 minutes from the freeway could take you an hour and a half to two hours. I kid you not. So odds are they not only had to drive by it, but they were. stuck in traffic having to stare at it for quite some time. Correct. But hold on, Doug, that is not all that they did.

So they got the billboard outside of the stadium in Foxborough. Someone paid $1,000 to have this flown over, 41, 33, Philly, Philly, Super Bowl. And then they even put 41 and 33 together in the locker room side by side. We're ruthless. Oh, see what they did there? Clever. Clever. Well, look, they lost.

So maybe that's why they were flipping them, the bird. is because... The birds, the birds? The birds. In fairness, like, Patriots had their fun the year before with all the 28 to 3 stuff with the Falcons. Right, right, right. So I'm not saying I'm bothered by it. Again, like, doesn't matter.

I'm not a Patriot fan. I completely, I respect the game. Okay? I'm just saying that... I respect the troll, but it would have been nice if you guys could have followed that up with a win. Yeah, I mean, look, it's preseason football. You know, you're still not playing Carson-Winz. All Sean Jeffrey's not playing.

Look, I think the Eagles should be really. You're returning a likely Hall of Famer in Jason Peters at left tackle. You're going to get Carson Wentz back who would have been the MVP and he's not yet in his prime. Like there's a lot of good stuff with Philly. My only point was, one, I do think the Patriots made a statement. And two, the level of aggression, the level of attention to detail you're going to get from fans, but fans don't decide games from teams and their preparedness for games. I think it is going to be an all-time high for the game.

Okay, moving on. Rogers is about to be even more rich than he is right now. Packers are working on a new deal with Rogers which will make him the highest paid player in NFL history. So for

context here, Matt Ryan just signed a five-year deal for $150 million. It's going to be more than that. Yeah, of course. A, do you think he's worth it? And B, do you think Packers should just give him what he wants and sign the contract? Well, look, the structure of the deal is going to be really interesting. Not because he doesn't...

He's the best quarterback I've ever seen. Yeah. I've ever seen. You know, you go through the boxes of, you know, is he accurate? Yes. He's smart. Yes. Does he have, is he good in the pocket?

Yes. Can he manipulate the pocket with his feet? Yes. Can he run for a first down? Yes. Does he have arm strike? Yes. Can he play in bad weather?

Big hands? Yes. Is he tough? Can he play hurt? Yes. Yes. Has he won big games? Yes.

He made big crazy plays. A crazy moment. Yes, Cowboys game a couple years ago in the playoffs. Like all of those things. Only thing he's missing is that second Super Bowl. The second Super Bowl is like the second major you get in golf. It puts you at a completely different level. So the ability for him to get all that money that he has earned,

but also can they put a team around him? Can they trade for Khalil Mack? And give Khalil Mack a new contract. Like how it's actually structured is more interesting to me than the final dollar sign because he's worth every penny and no one who's beautiful. I mean, I'm pretty interested in that final dollar sign. Aaron Rogers agent, you can holler at me. And then finally, Steph Curry was on the Bill Simmons podcast.

yesterday. Bill asked him if he was still bitter about Minnesota passing on him back in 2009 in the draft. And this was his response. I actually really like this. Everyone knows how much I love golf and play it in my spare time or whatnot. I think the word on the street was that David Khan, who was the president of basketball operations at the time, didn't draft me because Minnesota is cold and I wouldn't be able to play as much golf so I'd be miserable. I hope it's true because that's hilarious. Thank God Steph Curry plays golf. Could you imagine? What, if he's in Minnesota?

Yeah. Well, again, this is the head Carson Wins been drafted by the Cleveland Browns type of thing. Remember, they drafted two point guards in that draft. Johnny Flynn out of Syracuse, who hurt his hip, but it was a terrible fit for the triangle offense. I actually thought he had a chance to be a really good player, but that's one of those awful fit, and he never really evolved. Plus, Syracuse guys don't play man-to-man defense, so they have to win to get the NBA. And then Ricky Rubio, who didn't come over for two years. That's why they drafted a second point guard.

And had his best season probably as a pro last year, but has never lived up to the billing. I don't, I'd never heard that before. That feels like an old wives tale. I'll only point this out. This is coming out of the man's mouth himself. Yes, but if you listen, he's like, word on the street is. I like, look, here's the other word. I like rumors.

Here's a fact. Okay. The Warriors used to have Monte Ellis and Steph Curry. When they traded for Andrew Bogot, they told the Milwaukee Bucks, pick a guard, you can have either one of the two guards. And the Bucs selected Monta Ellis. So this tells you the Bucks didn't know, but it also tells you the Warriors didn't know. Anyone who says, I knew he'd be a two-time MVP, a first ballot Hall of Famer, the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA is lying through their teeth. Because that makes three, an NBA team that he plays for that had his right that saw him play for a couple years, wasn't.

completely sold on what his actual ceiling would be. I'm sure there was one person that said that, and it was probably his mom. That's it. That's all I got. And that's Rachel Bonnetta with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News.

Does your mom watch? She lives in Canada. I don't think we got FS1 up in Canada. Do we have, does FS1 happen in Canada? Or maybe she's just been lying to me this whole time. Hey, dear hoser, I can't get to FS1 dare. Hey, Ma, you keep it warm up there. I hate you guys.

I love, by the way, how you fought me on the fact that you're very Canadian and how everything circles back to Canada. And then you've mentioned Canada like four times already in the show without me even pushing it. Okay, excuse me, you brought it up in the intro. Yes. You know, you keep on throwing it my way. I'm going to. agree, retaliate whatever I need to do to defend my country.

All right, cool. We'll talk hockey upcoming. Let's welcome in, Jason McIntyre, the founder of the big lead. You can also hear him on Fox Sports Radio. Tomorrow morning, 10 to 1 Eastern Time. You can see him on speak for yourself a little bit later on today. Doug, let me start here. How is he attired today? You said he was a magician. Yeah, I love. It looks great. By the way, great job in Russia. Thank you. Thank you very much. Can I start? Why was somebody asking Steph Curry about

being passed on in the draft by Minnesota. That's a real question if you get Curry on a podcast. Well, remember, Bill Simmons thought he should be the general manager of the Minnesota Timberwolves. And he's always trolled David Kahn. Ah. Right? Like, Bill Simmons is doing the dance on the grave type of thing.

Can I do a quick Curry story before I get to Sam Darnold? Go. So the best story I heard from that draft was Curry worked out against Tyreek Evans and they had them play one-on-one allegedly. And Tyreek Evans murdered Curry in the workout. and the Sacramento Kings looked at Tyree. Oh, that's our guy. Steph Curry got killed in one-on-one.

Meanwhile, Curry's just a great team player, amazing shooter. One-on-one's not his game. And when I heard that, I was just like, oh, what, Tyree? He was a nice player, but he's no Steph Curry. Well, I actually think one-on-one is his game. It's just, it's different in an actual real basketball game from one-on-one. Look, we'll just, let me put the Steph Curry thing. Everyone's going to troll me like, hey, Gottlieb, you're the one who thought Johnny Flynn had more upside.

No, no, no, no. Listen, I did think Johnny Flynn and Rubio had. more upside. I thought he was going to be a Hornacek type of player. I thought he could play the point. He could play the two. He's a great great, great shooter. Like, look, Jeff Hornacek was a good player in the NBA. I massively undervalued him.

It happens, right? But it also, it's also part of the one, he got better. He's better than I thought. And the league changed. The fact that you can't touch a guy, change things. All right, let's get to, you're a jet fan. I'm the one. I'm the one. No, there's lots of jet fans.

Are there? Yes. In the media, there's lots of jet fans. You know I wore a Mark Sanchez shirt to the building today? I did. That's a fact. Well, they did. He did.

Nearly beat the Steelers in the second. How do you proceed if you're the Jets in regards to starting Donald after it was a little bit more shaky last night in comparison to game one? Shaky strong. But initially when they drafted him, I was with you. I was like, all right, we don't need to see him early. And then the practices started happening in August and he's wowing the coaching staff. And Doug, it's kind of the situation where, listen, the schedule is fortuitous early. Detroit, Miami, Cleveland, he can carve those teams up.

And I know the offensive line has some questions, understandably so. But if you're the Jets and you show Teddy Bridgewater, who I think has some potential, if you show him early and he doesn't play well, no trade value. None. And if you sit him on the bench, you know this as a big college hoops guy. The players who stick around three, four years, their value goes down. because there's a lot of tape on them. The more tape you get on Bridgewater, the less his value is.

Right now, Bridgewater looked good in that first preseason game. Oh, he's healthy. He's moving well. You can flip him in, at the best case scenario, maybe get back one of those number two picks you gave up for Donald. Maybe. And I just think if you put Donald out there, maybe he flops early like the way Jared Goff did with the Rams. Jared Goff, I believe, was 0 and 8 as a rookie.

Everybody's panicked. Is he a bust already? And, you know, he gets in a head coach that's offensive-minded, and boom, he's a not strong. star, but he's a real quarterback who looks like a number one pick. But they didn't start Jared Gough until the eighth game. Until the eighth game. So look, I'm with you.

I do think that if there's one thing we've learned from Wentz, who, remember, they won their first three games, but then he was not, he was not particularly good afterwards. But he wasn't bad, though. He wasn't great. He had, I think, 11 touchdowns and 14 interceptions after those first three games. Like, he was, it was not good. We stopped paying attention, right? Because they end up finishing in fourth place in the NFC East.

but he was not great. But the point is that with a little, a tweak here, a tinker there, I mean, look, Jared Goff is the strongest argument. You can be awful as a rookie, and they fix some things around you. But isn't that life too, Doug? Like, nobody's great out of the gate, okay?

Like, you make incremental gains in life. But the fear, look, the fear that I have is that offensive line is awful. It was bad last year, yes. Okay, and right now, without your right guard, without your left tackle, they're not great. It's not like they have a running game in Isaiah Crowell and Bilal Powell and Thomas Rawls. I mean, it's decent. It's a sort of – but again, nobody has a good running game.

Like a couple teams have really good running backs. Nobody has a good running game. The position is not as important as it used to be. You want your running back to catch passes. You said nobody has a good running game. That's not true. Is the overall level of importance of winning a Super Bowl like it used to be? No.

Eagles and Patriots were in the Super Bowl last year. I mean, neither are their running backs were a tremendous off-the-charts guys. No, but one of the things that helped the dolphins was they went and traded for, I mean, see what help the Eagles was they went and traded for a running back midseason, you know, to be able to get to run between the tackles. I mean, Dalvin Cook was hurt midseason. Like, I just don't think the value of a running back is where it used to be. But when you have a rookie quarterback, here's what I said on undisputed.

When Russell Wilson was a rookie with Seattle Seahawks. Yes. They had a running game, right? so much so that he threw for less than 200 yards nine times. It's a good step. People were freaking out like Russell Wilson's really good. He was just managing a game. And that's what they tried to do with Marriota, his first year in Tennessee.

And we still don't know how good Marioita is. I'm not disputing that I think Sam Donald was the best prospect. Nothing has moved me off that to watch him in the preseason. I actually think he looked better than most people would think if you talk to NFL people because the things he has to do is doing against better competition. And he processes what he's seeing more quickly than he should for his lack of experience. He's getting in and out of the huddle. He's getting people where they need to get.

These things seem like things you're supposed to get. But as a rookie, he's doing an outstanding job. That's not my issue. Okay. My issue is dude's going to get back there and be under duress. And that was a problem at the U.S.C. last year. Right. It was a big problem.

And you start hearing footsteps. And now that's going to change how quickly you get rid of the football. I mean, look at Sam Bradford. and some of its injuries, some of its bad offensive lines, and bad offenses he's played with. Like the whole thing with Sam Bradford was doesn't have a lot of pocket toughness. That's because he's gotten hit so much as a quarterback. Yeah, I'm just, I don't see the point in saying, oh, he's going to get hit. He could get an injury.

I mean, you can get an injury any week. I mean, regardless how good the offensive line is, I just don't see what the holdup is. The excitement level from the fan base is clearly there. I believe they open on national television in their first game. Get's need to just get this process underway. And let's see what they got. The receivers are not bad. A lot of people sell them short.

Quincy and Noonwell coming off the neck injury. Robbie Anderson, very underrated. And now I'm saying names that nobody's heard of, so let's move on from the Jets. Thank you very much. What did you think of Elway's comments about Kaepernick? Oh, no. Are we really going to Kaepernick? I mean, listen, it's funny because we on undisputed this morning in the room,

we're saying, should we talk about Elway's comments? Should we talk about Kaepernick? and it's one of those dicey things because if you look at the timeline Elway's offer to Kaepernick not only was it you know will you take a pay cut to play for us but it was before all the kneeling started

so does it really apply even to the whole Kaepernick situation I don't know that it does if they offered him a contract before he was this toxic guy that nobody wanted to touch I don't want to hammer Elway for this because we've hammered him enough this week on speak for yourself right

we know he's not great at identifying quarterbacks. You could say he dodged a bullet by not getting Kaepernick, right? You could? Yeah. Do you think Colin Kaepernick will play again the national? No, he's not. He's not. Come on. I tend to agree with you. I'm going to get to that upcoming next. Patriots

looked good last night. I know they lost Isaiah win. Do you take anything positive away, or are you going to dismiss it as just a preseason game? I chalk it up as just a preseason, but I did like your middle finger thing to the Eagles, you know? I mean, listen, Claiborne got after it last night.

By the way, how did he get out of Atlanta? This is a guy who had six sacks against Dak Prescott, and then you just see him tearing it up last night. You're like, geez, why didn't Atlanta want to pay? Could they not pay him? That's a big loss. I mean, he was a monster for the Patriots last night, and their secondaries a bit old and creaky,

but all these guys just doubting Belichick and Brady, like, do you know who's quarterbacking in the AFC East? They get to face Ryan Tannahill twice, A.J. McCarrin twice, and probably Sam Darnold. That's six wins right. there. They're going 6 and 0 there. There's a reason they've been to seven straight AFC title games. I mean, Belichick and Brady are breathing. This team's going to be fine. I got more actual concern for the Eagles in the loaded NFC than I do the Patriots in the

AFC. All right. Yeah, I agree with you. As long as avocado ice cream is back there taking snaps from center. They're in good shape. Jason is doing the triple dip. He was here. He actually slept here. He did undisputed. He's going to have a full beard by the time he gets to speak for yourself. It takes a week to grow a beer, dude. I doubt that. And by the way, congratulations on all the vacations we've seen on Instagram. Oh, stop.

It's really remarkable. It must be nice. Switch lives. Jason McIntyre from the big lead. Check them out Fox Sports Radio tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. Eastern Time, 7 a.m. Pacific Time. We talked a little bit about John Elway or Jason talked about John Elway. I'll give you my thoughts on what John Elway said about Colin Kaepernick and how it

It should reset on many levels the narrative as to why Kaepernick's not in the league. We'll get to that next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Welcome in, this is The Herd Now Podcast Network. Is that right? I always screw it up.

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I'm Doug Gottlie. Speaking of voices, when you hear John Elway talk, he kind of always, in addition to the when he thanked himself, he kind of has a John Wayne of football sort of way of talking. Anyway, the wannabe duke of the National Football League, two-time Super Bowl champion and Hall of Famer John Elway,

of course, President GM of the Broncos, had this to say in regards, they got a backup quarterback mess in Denver. Case Keenham, who's like basically the opposite of everything they've had previously and the opposite of John Elway. Like John Elway was regal. John Elway was, remember, from the second he ever stepped on the football field, like that dude can throw it.

Six foot four, could move, could throw. Case Keenham's like 5-11, 6-foot, not a great arm, not a great athlete, all heart, toughness, six years in college football at Houston, may have set records but did so in an offense to it, the air raid offense, that some thought wouldn't translate. the NFL and has found a way to kind of make it work, and now he's their starting quarterback. So the juxtaposition of Elway and Osweiler and, you know, and Paxton Lynch, the two guys that he drafted to be the starting quarterbacks with a case Keenham is stark in contrast. So now they got Paxton Lynch fighting for his life to stay on the team.

They don't have a great backup quarterback. So he's asked yesterday, hey, what about bringing in college? Colin Kaepernick. Take a listen. Colin had his chance to be here. We offered him a contract. He didn't take it. So, you know, and as I said it, my deposition, and I don't know if I'm legally able to say this,

but, you know, he's had his chance to be here. He passed it. Now, there's obviously a huge level of arrogance to go like, I don't know if I could say this, but okay, I'm going to say it, right? Like, maybe you should run it by a lawyer. maybe it's not the smartest thing when it's an actual legal deposition. But I do think this changes some of the narrative. While everyone is right to point out, hey, this is 2016.

The protest started in that preseason after, after he was offered $7 million, which was a pay cut to come over to the Denver Broncos. There is the thought from a lot of people, the social media, social justice, where he's like, look, the only reason he's not in the NFL is because he took a knee and because he took a stand. Do I think that plays a part? Sure. You know what else plays apart?

He got beat out twice by Blaine Gabbard. Twice by Blaine Gabbard. I mean, look, the numbers in 2013, he was great. But the lead seemed to figure him out. Some of it is that the 49ers started to fall apart. Harbaugh started to fight with the front office. They didn't have the talent around him. But some of it was he didn't evolve.

And he was a running quarterback. Only ran to his right. Small hands. Couldn't throw from different arm angles. like he didn't evolve. He got worse, didn't get better, got beat out twice. But then there's this part to it. Yes, John Elway offered him a chance to play quarterback, the Broncos for less money. But if you don't think people in the league talk, right? If you don't want to come play for Elway and at the time, Gary Kubiak, two quarterback gurus,

and play with a great defense, then you're not willing to bet on yourself. You're not about the right things. I do think the narrative is different than the reality. The reality is the protests are only part of the reason he's no longer in the league. All right. Upcoming next. It's been zero days since workplace injuries in the NFL. This is the herd. What up?

Welcome in. This is the herd. Alongside Rachel Bonetta, I'm Doug Gottlieb. Thanks so much for making us part of your day. I love that now all of a sudden because I said there's a multitude of reasons Colin Kaepernick isn't in this league that suddenly now I am. one side or the other. What is your Twitter blowing up already? A little bit.

A ton. Not like yours. What was the Twitter mentioned that you told me today that where it's the backhanded backhanded compliments? Because they seem to get a lot of those. Like somebody watched, I don't fill in on the herd very often. So I'm sure a lot of people that regularly watch the show is just like, who is this girl?

And this person just asked me like, I have no idea who you are. Be pretty good. I take that as compliment. I wouldn't take that. That's not a backhanded compliment. That's a compliment. especially for Twitter, just a cesspool of negativity generally, right? Twitter hates everybody.

Yeah. So look, what I said last hour if you're just joining us in the herd, John Elway is like, look, we ain't bringing in Colin Kaepernick. He had his chance here in 2016. And I do think that this happens in college basketball, college football recruiting, when guys transfer. That sometimes when you decide, hey, I'm going to sign somewhere else, and however you handle it or however you convey your desire,

maybe you don't call and say, I'm leaving, I'll go somewhere else. There are guys that end up being bitter about it. Look, did I recruit you for three years? You didn't even give me a phone call or a text saying you're going to someplace else. Yeah, I don't want you. There will be those people. I think John was trying to be a little bit of a hero in this situation, though.

It's like everyone's talking about Colin Kaepernick, and he's just like, listen, I tried to help him. You tried to help him before everything went down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I agree. Do you... I think it makes him look bad. Do you know what the butterfly effect is?

Would you please explain it to me? Okay, the butterfly effect is if this one thing doesn't happen, a series of other things wouldn't have happened, right? It's like the... It's basically back to the future. Remembering back to the future where if they don't kiss, the kids don't happen? Right. And they start...

Because that's how babies are made. And, yes, hugging is how babies are made, right? And then he's looking at old photos and all of a sudden now his hands disappearing. He can't play the guitar anymore. You remember the movie Back to the Future. It's obviously a classic, one of the 20 greatest movies ever made. There is a little bit of butterfly effect here to Colin Kaepernick. His girlfriend who was in Northern California, if he takes the job with the Denver Broncos and he wins the job as their starting quarterback.

And whatever you think of Denver and the legalization in Colorado of marijuana and what in Denver is different than suburban Denver is very conservative. And John Elway is super conservative. I believe he wrote support for the president on Denver Broncos stationary, right? So there is probably a little bit of hint of that. But my thing with the butterfly effect is you do wonder if Kaepernick would have taken this stance, would have been empowered to take this stance, if they would have shut it down. they would have had to talk with him early, or even he would have been as politically active if he was out of Northern California

and playing for the Denver Broncos, fighting for a starting job, you have no idea. And if he had not taken a knee and a reporter hadn't asked him a question about taking a knee, where it would it be? There's a certain interest in, like, the whole butterfly effect to it is fascinating to me.

Totally. I mean, who am I to say this? But I feel like he has found this other calling in his life. I mean, I'm sure he wants to be back playing NFL. there's no doubt about that. But he is the voice of so many people. He is standing up for so many people right now. But I think that's more important.

He doesn't actually say, I'm not disputing the level of importance that some believe he has. No, but I'm saying he's found another calling in his life. Maybe it wasn't always to be an NFL player, but it's supposed to be, you know, a social justice warrior or whatever you want to call him. Right. I just, I do think that one thing that that L.A. touches on, but doesn't go all in on is there's more than just the protests.

People forget that one of the reasons he lost his job when he's with the Niners was he had the headphones on and he was not seen to be like a leader that guys liked. There was the struggles in evolving as a quarterback. There was the fact that he knew he was going to get cut by the Niners because of his salary and he was offered a parachute, albeit with less money,

with the Denver Broncos. There are other things. Can I ask you one thing though? Of course. Do you think that if the kneeling didn't happen, the protest didn't happen, that he would still not be playing in the end? NFL? Because I don't think that.

Well, hold on. There's the assumption. We talked about this a little yesterday where people think that backup quarterbacks are simply, he's better than backup quarterbacks. And that's why he should be playing. It's not actually the way it works. A backup quarterback, one usually, usually is a lesser version, like a pocket version of the starting quarterback, right? So you don't have to dramatically change the system. He's not like most guys. On the other hand, you could see. him replacing a Deshaun Watson, whatever, as his backup, other athletic quarterbacks. But he's never, his mindset has never been to accept how the market sees him. He doesn't see himself as a backup.

The Seattle Seahawks brought him in last year and said he sees himself as a starter. And we see him as a starter too. We just don't need a starting quarterback. Like I don't think his mindset matches the salary matches what the job actually entails. If you're a sales manager, like I'm a sales manager, like, no, this is for a salesman job. It's different. You've got to get out there and get the connection. So I don't think people forget his, the peak of Capricen was 2013.

He's had multiple surgeries. He's not the same player. This is part of it. I'm not disputing that this is part of why he's not in the league. But there are other factors as well. You think he could have done himself some favors by maybe not fighting for that starting role. Which one?

With Seattle Seahawks or with Denver. He's not going to be, you're coming into Seattle. You're not going to be the starting quarterback. They have Russell Wilson's won a Super Bowl. He's the starter. stop. So I would guess that in the conversation that he had, he didn't get off the plane and go like, listen, I'm here for one reason and one reason only to make Russell Wilson better. That's my job. Yeah. And that's not how he carries. And you were talking about this yesterday

too. That's not how he carries himself. Anyway, I think it's fascinating. We put up the sign in the studio today, and we're going to leave it up for Colin. There have been zero days since the last workplace injury in the National Football League. Obviously, this is, you ever been a construction site. But it's true. Isaiah Win, Patriots' first round draft pick out for the year. Nick Foles were waiting on word from an MRI, strained shoulder. Samagee P. Ryan from the Redskins, how dangerous

is it to play football? The two best plays by a running back for the Redskins in the preseason they lost Darius Geis who was drafted, I think, third round draft pick, and second round, and Samajet Pirine, who was his backup,

who gained like 20 yards and then got hurt his ankle. Like this is, and I know we know it's a dangerous sport. Jason Verrett and Hunter Henry, both charges have gotten heard. We mentioned guys, Darrell Williams from the Panthers tour his MCL. Like one of the things that at times we in the media and players are disingenuous about is the reason you can't get long-term guaranteed contracts in the actual football league is the NFL stands for not for long because your body just can't hold up. Body just can't hold up.

And you can tell me, hey man, this is about. about shouldn't have preseason games. Deshawn Watson got hurt in practice. San Braddney, not San Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater got hurt in practice. Like, it's the type of sport to which you have to build your body in a way to which to sustain itself under incredible physical duress and the hits and the pounding it takes. Meanwhile, sometimes you're building your body in a way in which it can't hold up.

So I think the whole idea of, in our minds, the idea of long-term, fully guaranteed contracts, Sounds great in comparison to baseball and to basketball. There's a reason that those guys' careers are longer because you don't see this number of injuries just in preseason games. And we only had three games last night. And we had one season ending injury. We had one potential seasonender in Nick Foles.

And then we had the P. Ryan thing. We're waiting to find out how bad it is. Football's a dangerous sport. This is not breaking news. We have had zero days since the last workplace injury. More games tonight. Somebody else is going to get hurt. But this is a big reason why.

the NFL owners are never going to give in to long-term fully guaranteed contracts for players because their bodies just can't hold up. Do you let your kids play football? My son plays flag. It's a great question. It's a great question. My son plays flag football. And I played football growing up, seven to I was like 14.

And then once I got to high school, just played basketball, baseball one year. Just can't too hard do all of them be really good at them. Yeah. It used to be that you'd struggle to get the mom to sign the permission slip. Right now, we're continuing to punt, and if he wants to play, I'll let him play. But what is the win in having him play tackle football when he can still play it when he's 14, 15 years? I do think he needs to play it before high school. Can't have the first time he gets hit, be hit by a high school player.

And there's so many great things that football builds, but I'm getting closer to the side of let somebody else's kid play football. Getting closer to that point. I'm going to gently push my children towards things like golf and tennis. Well, the difference is that there's an athletic. Well, the difference is like, look, I come from an athletic family. I was a professional athlete myself. And so I do think that one of the things I struggle with is the idea of,

golf, you don't, you kind of eliminate some of your athletic advantage. That was absolute sarcasm. Oh. But your kids? You don't have kids. Because they're not going to get injured playing golf. Come on, Doug. It's true. Also, I don't have children. I know. Yet, that you know of. Living free, living large, baby. That you know of. All right, here's what we're going to do. Let's, uh, Rashad Jennings going to join us. He's, uh, obviously a former running back Jags, Raiders, but more interestingly, the New York Giants. So let's, let's get him out here and, and figure out exactly how you, how you sustain yourself in the national football league.

What's that man? Beautiful. I know he was on the herd. He's got an amazing personal story. Try to keep up with you, man. Okay, so how, like, football is a game to which you can't, you can't take it easy. You can't, like in basketball in the preseason, you can take plays off defensively. Football, you can't take plays off.

How do you balance in like, hey, I'm trying to, and you were a guy that had to make teams? Yeah. with the fear in mind that one hit, one tweak, one wrong move, and it can end your season, which hurts the longevity of your career. I mean, that's the nature of playing a sport. Football is a compact sport. It's a contact sport. It's all kinds of things which endures a lot of injuries,

adversity to the body, more than a majority of sports. But it's only 16 games played. That's it. That's why it's so intense every single week. practice, the way you prep, the way you train, the way you eat, the way you sleep. All these things matter so much because you only got 16 times to prove it. And, I mean, that's what makes the game so beautiful, but also that shelf life is very limited. So when you're out on the preseason, you got to give it your all, you know.

And people hate the preseason because you see so many catastrophic injuries that happen. And then you're pulling away money from your family, you're pulling away opportunity for your future because of something that doesn't count towards your actual career. But you do need the reps in order to get ready for a real season, don't you? I believe you need reps. How many? That's debatable. Preseason, when you got guys that you're not sure playing 100% some or not.

It's a difference between trying to play to prove your right and then just out there not trying to get hurt. Those are two different ballplayers out there. And, you know, in preseason, truth be told, you know how it is. Guys just ain't trying to get hurt, a majority of them. Basketball club, brother. in-law ball, right? Like, you score, I score, like in football, it's like, all right, man, just like, let's just take it easy. The problem

is that you might have one guy, you know, one of 11, trying to make that roster, and he's not, he's not in on the discussion. He set it all for, now everybody got to go. Yes. Yeah, it's, I know, preseason is not like, it's not like the Pro Bowl. Let's not

get that twisted. But, you know, everybody wants to get better. Younger guys, especially, or guys who are on the bubble, want to get out on the field. They have to prove themselves to make the team. That's just, that's always going to be the nature of it as long as we

have four preseason games. Rashad Jennings joining us. She's got a New York Times bestseller, the if in life it's available on Amazon or bookstores nationwide, wherever you want to pick it up. Let me ask you about last night. I felt like the Patriots were trying to make a statement, right? Like Tom Brady plays the entire first half. Felt like

there was a different sort of energy for the second preseason game. And just so happy to be against the Eagles, a team that beat them in the Super Bowl. Is it? Is that me taking something that I'm just making something up? Or is that kind of an honest feeling for the Pats, considering how much the Eagles talk some trash and how much people nationally have said the Pats are not the same?

Well, I mean, the Pats are the same. You know, they got the same body of makeup for the majority of it that's caused them to be successful throughout this whole entire run. You know, you got competitors over there, especially in the leadership position with Tom Brady. It doesn't, nothing surprises me, when it comes to work ethic over there. You know, that's what they pride themselves on.

So I won't look more into Tom Brady playing in a second. He can play the whole game. You know, and then he could come out the next game and not play at all. I don't look too deep into those details at all. All right. So Jalen Ramsey, who's an elite talent for the Jacksonville Jaguars, said that, you know, but at this point in his career, Eli is only good because of Odell Beckham, Jr.

How accurate is that statement? Jalen said a lot. You know, he said a whole lot. I'm not mad at him for saying what he feels. But saying that Eli is only good because of Odell. And he also said that he thinks the connection is good. He thinks, excuse me, I think he said, Odell is good.

The connection between Eli and Odell is good. We both agree. Me and him agree with that. But him not giving credit to Eli is something we disagree on. You got a guy who's won the Super Bowl, twice, two MVP's of it. I've set, I lock her beside this guy you know, so sometimes when you lock it beside somebody,

you get to know him a little bit too much and I got to know he is one of the, he is seriously a true leader through and throughout. I don't dispute that he's a leader but at 37, it's been a long time since they won a Super Bowl

and like look, you look back and how many years they've gone without even making the playoffs. So I guess the question is, yes, Eli winning two Super Bowls in those Super Bowls, he's been great. Eli and his prime is probably better than the level of respect, but at Eli at 37 years old, this year is Eli only a quality quarterback because of the supporting cast?

No, you're still a quality quarterback. One, a supporting cast, everything matters when it comes down to a quarterback and the whole entire team. You know, when you're bringing in a system that's trying to figure out itself versus bringing in a system that's current, that's consistent year in, year out, you see. different quarterback play. I mean, give me some of the top quarterbacks you believe are the top quarterbacks and tell me how long they've been in the same system. Well, you got Tom Brady, obviously. You have, you have Philip Rivers started on 201 games. How long have been in the system? Drew Brees,

Aaron Rogers. These guys have been in the same system year in, year out. And I believe Eli is bringing back a coach who's been comfortable knowing how he produces. I think he'll put him in the best position. Now, your thoughts on, I said guaranteed contracts. Like, look, it sounds like a great, it sounds like a great plan. It sounds like you should mirror baseball or mirror basketball. But the reality of it is, dudes get hurt. Their careers change at the drop of hat. As you pointed out, with exception really of quarterbacks who do seem to last longer, why should players get fully guaranteed contracts? Why shouldn't they? Is a better question. I mean, you talk, you said, because they get hurt. What sport don't people get hurt? But the sports that other, well, basketball and

baseball. They don't get hurt. They don't? And it doesn't eliminate, doesn't shorten their career. Since when? Huh? Since when? Since when players and NBA and begin hurt? But wait. Derek Rose got paid how much? Yeah. And Derek Rose gets $2 million now makes $2 million. Paul George broke his leg.

But he got guaranteed. You're talking about the amount. First, you said guaranteed. Derek Rose got guaranteed money. Sure. He got hurt. He still got his guaranteed money. Now you want to say he's only getting paid X, Y, Z. Well, fine. Then if a player gets hurt, after his guarantee is up, if you only want to pay him X, X, then pay him. guaranteed contracts are fine, and it should be. Listen, you pay a player based upon their production, right?

Matter of fact, actually, you pay a player on what they've done in the past and hopes of what they're going to do in the future. That's really what you're paying a player for. You don't pay what they've already done in the future. It's hopes. You pay them based upon what they've done. So pay them. Well, they are getting guaranteed contracts.

It's just there's not, it's not, huh? Not fully. No, I mean, listen, if you want to list what it's, fully guaranteed for, that's fine. Like, you don't have to sign a deal that's $100 million, but only $50 million in guaranteed. Just sign the $50 million deal and don't be, don't be disingenuous. Say, well, it's not fully guaranteed. You're fully guaranteed to make $15. What's disingenuine about stating the fact that it's not fully guaranteed? Disingenuine is the agents in the media putting it out there. Ex-player just got paid $110 million, only guaranteed 40.

We're not going to say that, so the agents can then go to the collegiate level and tell these college athlete's lives. Look, I just got him a hundred or something million. It's all fluffed money. I'm not disputing that. I'm not disputing that. But first of all, rookie contracts, these first round draft picks are in fact fully guaranteed deals, four years, fully guaranteed. Slotted. Okay, they're slotted, but they're fully guaranteed. And that was because the veteran players didn't like the San Bradford's getting $50 million off the top, right? It's the same pool of money, right? The split is the same. That's the collective bargaining agreement. The money's not going back into the pockets of the general manager by saving money. They got to split it up

kind of evenly through guys. If players are upset with agents for putting it out at $100 million, then get a new agent. No, it's not to get a new agent. The media's doing that. The media is doing it. Yeah. Do you see the players putting out, I just got 100 and something.

We talk about it guaranteed all the time. We talk about guaranteed all the time. You don't see that. Listen, the media's putting out that type of information. So it's the media's fault? I didn't say it was a fault, did I? I said what is being done. All of it encompasses of what's this narrative. My point is going back to the original question, guaranteed contracts.

These athletes deserve guaranteed contracts. There's nothing wrong with that. Well, I would, the counter to that would be that if players want guaranteed contracts, then during the collective, fully guaranteed contracts, during a collective bargaining agreement, hold out, lockout, show solidarity. It didn't last time. You end up getting more money. You end up getting a good split.

Guys are making more money. I think it's that easy, huh? Listen, but that's that's any job. Like any job, there's a limit to how much money you can get. Like, it sounds really good. Like, yeah, it sounds great. We didn't talk about limits and amount of money. We are talking about guarantees.

Stop changing the narrative. Guaranteed contracts does not equivalent to the amount of money that you are being paid. The New York Giants, for example, right? Okay. The elite level players, they're not playing on guaranteed contracts this year. for this year. It's the length of the guarantee that's the dispute. It's not the actual are the contracts guaranteed. Eli Manning's money is guaranteed. Sterling Sheppard's on a rookie deal, it's guaranteed. Odell Beckham Jr.'s money is guaranteed. Whatever contract Odell Beckham Jr. signs,

there will be a guarantee there. It may not match up to the overall total of the deal, but that's just how the deal is reported. It's disingenuous to say, we don't have guaranteed money when you do have guaranteed money. Fully guaranteed. You're fully guaranteed to that amount of money. The whole entire contract. A lot of stuff is incentive base. Yeah. But it's roster. bonuses. Rosser bonus. And if you get cut, no, that's real. You will see, there's been times accounted before where players have actually, organizations or the coach, whatever it may be, have decided not to play particular players because they know if they get X amount of receiving

yards or X amount of. That's absolutely dirty stuff that does have. So now you want to talk about disingenuine. Can we call that out? Or are you going to leave that alone? No, that's absolutely part of the issue with the bonus that guy's side. Huh? You call the players disingenuine. Yes. So let's call that disingenuine. Is that fair? Disingenuous? Yes. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. To hold players out so they can't get a bonus of however many catches, however many yards. So absolutely. Rob Garnkowski, for example, last year, he reworked his deal so that it was all incentive-based.

And then if he doesn't hit his numbers and he doesn't happen to get the football or he doesn't dress the last game of the regular season, he's not going to hit that. Absolutely. That's absolutely. Neither side is being honest, but the idea that NFL players don't play on guaranteed deals is dishonest. It's fully guaranteed for the length of it. don't sign for a six-year deal. Say, hey, like everybody hates the franchise tag. Franchise tag is fully guaranteed for one year average of the top five salaries.

It's the length of the guarantee that's really the issue. Right. Correct on that. Correct on that part. But it's not that easy. If it was that easy, trust me, what you're saying sounds good on paper. Then you should be an agent to get everybody their number guaranteed. Everybody wants to be a baseball player.

Do you know how much Aaron Judge makes this year? No, how much? $680,000. It's in his fifth year as being a pay. professional baseball player. Oh, you just want to pull out the, the, no, I just point out that actually the first four to six years of a baseball player's career, they don't make anything to have. What's the average amount? The average salary? I don't know. They play 162 games. You guys play 16 games. What does that have to do with answering my question of what's the average amount?

Well, it's the pool of money is greater because the number of games is greater. So the amount of stadium revenue is greater. It's all the split percentage. They also have a different number. They also have fewer players in a baseball team. Yeah, they do have fewer players. So you're encompassing everything and why they can pay a baseball player guaranteed money. Not the amount that's more or less. We're still talking about guaranteed money, not the amount. I think we keep flipping back and forth from that conversation.

This is a conversation will continue as well. I got to run. Richard Jen, just see him on speak for yourself upcoming in a little bit here on Fox Sports One. Good catching up with you as well. Yes, sir. Likewise. time is really left on Aaron Rogers ticking clock to be an elite quarterback and win another Super Bowl. I'll answer that question upcoming next.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Doug Gottliebend for Colin, this is the herd. My thanks to Richard Jennings. Got some thoughts for you on Pat Mahomes. And what's going to be fascinating to watch him play tonight for the Kansas City Chiefs and what seems to be a complete turn for Andrew Reid, who's had to be. who's done a great job with quarterbacks throughout his career, but hasn't had a type of armed talent that he has to Pat Mahomes since Brett Farr, maybe, in Green Bay. That and I have some, speaking of Green Bay, I got some thoughts for you on Aaron Rogers,

and why Rogers seems to be a little bit different than he has been in other pre-season. Get to that, but first let's get to Rachel Bennett with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right. Tom Brady, Jimmy Garrow. Apolo to Kobe Brissette are apparently still best buds.

They played for one season altogether 2016. And they stay in contact via group text, which is, by the way, the worst. Don't ever put me in a group text. I'm on a group text right now that I want to get out of. I will leave it. Jimmy said, we always throw out jokes and stuff like that. I love those guys. Fun guys to be in the same room with.

It's the same humor that we shared in the quarterback room. It was just three guys that all got along. very well. We played off each other well, too. It was funny. And then I got one more quote from Bressat. We're still close. I don't think we need to be around each other to be tight. Going back to this Jimmy quote, this is a made-up thing. That's like somebody saying, I'm so smart. I know a lot of stuff about a lot. Like, we always

throw out jokes and stuff like that. I will point out as a completely comfortable heterosexual male, three really good looking men in that room, right? I would be in that group text, actually. You'd be in that group text? You can add me to that one. Yeah. Yeah. So, there's also House Party. You're familiar with the House Party app?

That's we can have multiple video feeds. That's what my daughters do with their friends. So it's more than one. It's like FaceTime with a bunch of different people. Oh, okay. That sounds fun. I think that would be pretty fun. I don't know. This just seems weird, right? Yes. Is it just like, you know, I know there's like... I didn't pick the story. I picked it because of the hilarious quote.

Who talks like that? I do, well, I think that people think that Brady doesn't like Garoppolo. Right. So maybe it's his squash those. Because Garapolo was the heir apparent, right? Jimmy's like, we're friends, I swear, we make jokes, we're funny. Yeah, totally. I don't see, I would agree with you, it seems totally made up.

I don't seem Tom Brady being super hilarious and making jokes on group text. No, I don't see that either. Maybe that's why he destroyed his cell phone because he's really hilarious on group text. This is, speaking of hilarity, Clippers, point guard, Patrick Beverly, says the Clippers are better than LeBron James Led Lakers. I read this headline. I was like, who's on the Clippers right now?

Yeah, no one. Avery Bradley's on there. Patrick Beverly's on there. Come on. That's ridiculous. Bo Kimble. I'm kidding. Bo Kimball's not on there.

Bless your heart. Former first round drafted. Patrick Beverly. And then finally, I know that you don't like this one. Okay. Notre Dame. Let's find out three stories Gottlieb doesn't like. Go.

Check, check, check. That's really the first thing on my checklist. Notre Dame have released some photos of their Shamrock series uniforms. If you guys don't know what the Shamrock series is, they go and play on some neutral sites a couple of games. They're playing in Yankee Stadium. So, of course, they made their uniforms. Pins stripes?

Look like that. Oh, my God, they really did. I actually kind of like it. At first glance, I was just like, ooh, yeah. And then I found it was a shamrock series. They're going to be playing at Yankee Stadium. I'm like, that's a cool trip. I like that.

Listen, if you're listening on radio, they have pinstripe pants, navy jerseys with white numbers outlined in gold. The helmets, the big thing is the helmets. Pinsripe sleeves as well. It's pinstripe on the sleeves. The helmets are like, looks like a navy. I mean, isn't it an ugly uniform if they like came out of the gate and they're like, hey,

we decided that we're going to... They're Notre Dame. We're just going to... Notre Dame. You can't change the uniforms when you're Notre Dame. It's the Shamrock series, Doug. You can't change. Have some team. Spirit. Listen, the reason Oregon

changed their uniforms is because they're Oregon. Like, people don't even know if it's Oregon or Oregon. Oregon, by the way. Nobody could identify. Do people confuse that? Yes. East Coast guys call it Oregon. It's really terrible.

Stop doing it. It's not Nevada. It's Nevada. It's Oregon. Anyway, if you're Oregon, you had to change your uniforms because that's how you got people's attention. The way you get people's attention if your Notre Dame is when he show up as Notre Dame. Like Golden Dome, right? Notre Dame is known for the Golden Dome.

They're just having a little fun. They're still kids. They're still kids. Anyone else can change their uniforms, not Notre Dame. You go into Yankee Stadium. Like, do you think the Yankees would ever change your uniforms? You know what you are, Doug? Are the Yankees ever going to change?

You know why? Because they're the New York Yankees. You know what you are? What? You're a grumpy old man. I am not a grumpy old man. You are. I can kick out of Notre Dame.

The last thing I should have is affinity for Notre Dame. Huh? That's it. That's all I got for you. All right. That's Rachel Bonnetta. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. Never send a Canadian to do an American's job.

That's the way I look at it. Come on. Don't say that. I'm applying for my green card right now. Put that out in the airwaves. Listen, the French in Quebec, they would not change the jerseys. They would stand side by each, and they would not change the jerseys. Whatever. Over it. That was a hoot.

That was a hoot. All right, coming up next. Aaron Rogers has been a little tighter, a little more tense, one more apparently like me in training camp this year. I think I know why. I'll identify it next in the herd. Off-air conversation, better than the on-air conversation. The on-air conversation has been quite good. This is the herd.

I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. Rachel Benetta, do you want to give out your Twitter handle or maybe your cell phone number? Because lots of people are asking, who is that no-name girl? Don't want to give up the ladder. Who's not terrible on the herd. I tweet some good stuff sometimes, I think. I like to think. This is my first name and my last name.

Easy peasy. Two ends, two T's. There you go. Two ends, two T's. Rachel Beneta. We got a lot of stuff to get to. Do you think it's okay to drive stoned? Don't answer that.

I'm going to say no. The truth is your reaction time slow way down when you're high. Not only because you put yourself in danger, but everyone else around you. Stop kidding yourself. If you've been using marijuana in any form, don't get behind the week. If you feel different, you drive different. Driving high gets you a DUI. I thought that was going to be an ad for a second.

What is this going to be for? But it was. I've been watching an excessive amount of football. I watched the Packers take on. Who the hell they play last night? Packers played against the Steelers, right? It seemed like an arena league game with all the scoring that took place last night.

And I got to see Aaron Rogers for a little bit. He only threw four passes. One was a touchdown pass to Jimmy Graham. Here's Aaron Rogers' first preseason touchdown pass. Gilliams the back, third and five for Aaron Rogers. And that is to the end. He is so devastating. A yard touchdown pass, Rogers to Jimmy Graham.

And that will not be the last time. We'll say that this season. So look, I'm a big Aaron Rogers guy. I am. I'm not going to lie to you. I've told people before. I've said it on this show with Colin. He's the best throw over football I've ever seen. He's got all the things you want.

And he just, he doesn't have the rings that Aaron Rogers has. And I think that at some point you get into your career. You ever see my cousin Vinnie? I have not. You've never seen my cousin Vinnie. Marissa Tomei, a little before you, probably, right? I know who Marissa Tomei is. Okay, so her famous line, there's two famous lines in that movie.

One is the judge saying, Joe Pessie says the two Utes, the two Uts, because he's from New York. He's the lawyer, the two Uts, and the judge says, what is a Ute, right? Because it's youths, but anyway, the two Uts. And the other famous line is Marissa Tomei, who is the girlfriend, I believe, of Joe Pesci. She goes into this ram. about being in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the south

and this trial that they're not going to win and her biological clock is ticking over here that's what she says. My biological clock is ticking because there comes to a point in everybody's life when, especially women's life where you're like, look, I'm ready to be a mom, ready to settle down.

Like my biological clock is ticking. The window is in fact closing. The window is more open now than probably used to be. Can't wait to hear this point. Okay. So Aaron Rogers has always acted as so he has like a, He doesn't have a chip on his shoulder. There's like a bag of Doritos on his shoulder.

He has a bunch of chips. Like he's still mad that he had no scholarship offers at a high school. He had one scholarship offer out of junior college. And then after tearing it up in college, they're like, well, you've got to change your throwing motion. If you remember back to draft night, he was the last guy in the green room. Like he wanted to go number one overall. He's from San Francisco. grew up idolizing Joe Montana.

And they had the number one pick. And they took Alex Smith instead of him. and you could just see him like just seething there, just seething in there. And he's always kind of, and then, you know, Brett Farr wasn't cool to him early on when he was his understudy, because Brett Farr, I'm sure knew that that dude's the future. And Brett Farr, well, I'm going to retire, no, I'm not, I'm retired, going to finally turn it over to him, but he still wasn't the guy. Now he's won a Super Bowl.

Now he's seen as a superstar, but because of injury, because they haven't had running game. heck, he was hurt when they should have beaten Seattle. Was that three years ago? Three years ago they had Seattle dead to rights beaten in Seattle, even though Aaron Rogers had a pulled calf muscle. And somehow Seattle has this miracle comeback, and he doesn't get a chance to go to Super Bowl to face off with Tom Brady. That's something we haven't gotten.

Like we never got LeBron versus Kobe, and to this point we've never gotten Tom Brady versus Aaron Rogers in a Super Bowl. So I think sometimes when we interview or we hear Aaron Rogers be interviewed, or you hear him even talking about his wide receivers going back to last week where he said their effort is piss poor. And he stopped with, he like, I'm not here to be anybody's friends. I'm here to win games.

Like, man, he's really focused. Some people have hypothesized it's about his contract. No, it's not. He's getting that done. some people have hypothesized it's about Jordy Nelson getting cut I think that's maybe a little bit to it some people have hypothesized well maybe he doesn't get along with the coaching staff right he doesn't agree

or the front office and the fact that up until Ted Thompson was kicked upstairs they would never look outside of the organization to bring in help and you do need a little bit of help I think when you watch him this preseason you watch them all the offseason and you see how driven how focused he is and how a little bit edgy he is, his quarterback clock is ticking. Aaron Rogers is, what, 34 years old?

Now, he's 34, he's had some injuries. He had the collarbone, obviously. He's had the calf. He's had a concussion or two. So I would guess, I don't know if you play spades, but when you go around, you're playing spades and you have a partner, you know, you have to kind of, you have to bid. You have to say, like, how many, how many you think you can win? you're like, I got three with a possible, four.

I think he's like four with a possible. If he plays till he's 38, plays prime Aaron Rogers till he's 38. And you can say, wait, Tom Brady is eating avocado ice cream. He's into his 40s. Yeah, but Tom Brady, he's so slow, he'd race a pregnant woman and come in third, right? Runs like he's dragging a dead body.

But Tom Brady has never, he's had good pocket mobility, but he's never dependent on overall athleticism the way that Aaron Rogers has. Roger has a better arm, but also better feet. And if you take away his legs, at some point, that's what goes first. It will change him. So I would say four more really, really good years. And everything has to come together perfectly in order to win a Super Bowl.

Or just get to a Super Bowl, as we know from watching his career. I think that one of the reasons that he seems a little bit more edgy and a little bit more focused and having a little bit less fun is not the contract. As you stated in the news, like he's going to get the biggest contract. we've ever seen, and rightfully so. It's that he believes he's the greatest to ever play it. Other people, not just me, but more important people have said, he's the best they've ever seen spin it.

But the only way to put him in that argument is for him to get another couple rings, right? One more puts him ahead of Brett Farve. One more puts him at the level of Ben Rothesberger and of Eli Manning, two that I think he thinks he's better than puts him at the level of Peyton Manning, who is seen as one of the all-time greats. And there was a time to which people thought Peyton was the greatest ever. Two more, now the sudden you're in the goat conversation. You probably never get there because Brady has so many and he'll have a chance to win another one.

But you might. You might. LeBron's in that conversation and he's never going to have as many as Mike. And Mike is seen as the goat and he doesn't have as many as Bill Russell. Do you have to win a bunch of Super Bowls to be considered the goat? I don't believe so. I mean, I compare it to, you know, I work a lot in soccer. I was just out of World Cup.

Messy. Lano Messi has never won a World Cup before. He's one of two, the greatest of all time. Yes. I think it's so different in soccer. There's such a randomness to soccer in the number of goals. And he plays for Argentina. It's not like he's playing for Spain or he's playing for Germany.

But that's what happens, right? Like you just said everything has to line up right in the next, like, what, four years you said that he had. Sometimes it doesn't happen. That doesn't mean that. Right. Also World Cup. you get like once every four years. So how many legit shots do you get? I mean, there's plenty of trophies that he hasn't won besides World Cup. No, no, it's completely fair. Look, it doesn't

make any sense that we judge you based upon if you win this final game. The perfect example is he goes to a Super Bowl and probably beats the Patriots if he's healthy three years ago if they can simply recover an on side kick to which he wasn't on the field for. I had Philip Rivers on my radio show last week and he's like, how crazy is that Tom Brady leads his team down the field for a touchdown. The Seahawks two weeks later in that very same year, three years ago, they're about to score. They hand the ball out to Marshall and Lynch. They probably score. Or if Malcolm Butler doesn't read the play, they probably score. Malcolm Butler intercepts the ball. Tom Brady, not on the field. And now Tom Brady was the greatest ever. Why? Look at all the

rings. Like, I didn't say it made sense, but I do think that there's some ego to it. And there's just the idea of, hey, a lot of people have won one champ. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl once. Right. Right. Like we can kind of go through the list. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl once. Trent's a friend of mine, but even Trent wouldn't say, like, I'm not at that level. And I don't think anybody will put him at that level.

Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. Two completely different. That's like winning two majors in golf. So I just, I think that the reason that he's more focused, more driven, a little bit more edgy. And this is from a guy who's pretty driven, pretty focused, pretty edgy. Although he likes to have fun, he has liked to have fun. the championship belt, you know, the belt, the discount double check back when, that's started back when he won a Super Bowl.

I think that it's not necessarily athlete mortality, but it's his championship clock is, is ticking, like Marissa Tomey's biological clock. That's how I brought it back around. Way to go. You finally got there. 25 minutes later. Yeah, well, listen, listen, it was like seven or eight minutes later, but it was good. It's good.

It's time spent listening. Time spent listening. Coming up next, the Patriots gave everyone a put a finger in the air. air last night. It was not where number one in the AFC. No, no, no. It's a different type of number one. The bird to the birds. We'll discuss it next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. She's Rachel Bonnetta. This is the herd. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the herd wherever you may be. And however you may be making us part of your day, thanks so much for taking your time to

join us. Whether you're listening to us on IHeart Radio app, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports one or the Hurd Now Podcast Network, the lovely, talented, and incredibly Canadian. Green card needing Rachel Bonnetta. Bonnetta needs to be nicer to us. So she doesn't get shipped back above the border because winter is coming. I believe next week for Snowfall in Medicine Hat, Alberta. Anyway, we got a lot to get to. We're going to take you to Boston and get you an update on health status for the rest

of the Patriots as one of the two first. round draft picks for the Pats is out for the season already. Already, already. Isaiah win out for the year. How much does that hurt Tom Brady's offense line? You'll find out momentarily. We got a ton, an absolute metric ton to get to this hour. But let's do this. I watched last night. I watched last night's, I was all three games, actually, watched all three of them in preseason football. And we can get to the, we talked to Little Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers. didn't play a ton, but played enough to go like, oh, Aaron Rogers, still really good at football.

Sam Donald struggled some under the duress of the Washington Redskins without his right guard, without his left tackle, getting his first start. And it felt like, hey, I still like Sam Donald and how he processes things, but does he have the talent around him so that he's not constantly looking over his shoulder, worrying if he's going to get decapitated back there with the New York Jets. but I also watch Tom Brady play for a half last night. Usually what happens in preseason football. Usually is, you know, first time time guys play,

they play for a series. Second time it's for a quarter or maybe a half. And then the third preseason game, full dress, and they definitely go for a half, maybe even in the second half if things aren't clicking. And then the fourth preseason game is, no guys that aren't going to make the team. They're just trying to put something on tape.

Maybe you're fighting for a last roster spot, fighting to see which guys you keep on special teams. But good luck. If you're betting on a fourth preseason game, I would encourage you. I would encourage you to go get help. You have a gambling problem, right? Two greatest ways to know if you have a gambling problem.

If you're betting on the WNBA or you're betting on the fourth preseason game, you have a gambling problem. Your friends won't tell you. Gottlie will tell you. But to play Tom Brady that much this soon. It feels like this soon. I know it's their second preseason game.

And the energy we saw from the sidelines, not necessarily the energy we saw from the stands, but the way in which Tom Brady played, the way in which the defense played, it felt like, hey, we hear you talking about us. We hear you're saying we're a dysfunctional mess. I know. That Bill Belich,

check wanted Jimmy Garoppolo and Brady got with the owner and they got rid of Jimmy. They gave away Jimmy Garapola. That, you know, Tom Brady's 41 years old. Eventually, it's going to catch up to him. That, hey, I've even said it. That wide receiving core is disappointing on paper, on paper. Like Cordero Patterson's more of an end-around guy and a return specialist. And that's like the best of the off-season editions.

You're not going to have Edelman for the first four games. He's coming off an ACL. gronky a love. Can he stay healthy? And boy, you're putting a bunch on his shoulders. And then a bunch of other guys. Just a bunch of other guys. Chris Hogan was banged up some last year. The defense was a bend but doesn't break. Hey, look, we look at statistics differently than everybody else. We're really good, even though we couldn't get stops in the Super Bowl kind of unit. And then, of course, they've been trolled time and again, not just by Lane Johnson, but by several Philadelphia Eagles who puff out their chest about, how they're having fun. It's not fun in New England. It's fun everywhere else. Fun everywhere. It's fun in Philadelphia,

and we're going to keep having fun and keep winning. There's the banner that went up on the billboard just outside the stadium on that one way in, one way out to Foxborough. And it felt like, just to me, watching on TV, Patriots said, do we hear you? And we're still the Patriots. Look up there, you see all those banners?

We got room for one more. maybe two more. We didn't have a very good defense. We lost Brandon Cooks. And we still had Tom, and we missed an extra point, right? Like, things that you forget that happened in the Super Bowl was the Patriots missed an extra point and a field goal. And still had Tom Brady with the football a chance to win the game, to which if you're

watching the game, you didn't think, you didn't wonder if Tom Brady was going to lead them to a touchdown. You just wondered how much time was going to be left when he scored that touchdown, right? Remember back to that Super Bowl. You're like, oh, they haven't punted all day. And Tom Brady and the boys got together last night and said, look, we know it's the preseason. We know it doesn't count.

We know you're not playing all your ones. Heck, you're starting quarterback's not even ready. But we just want to show you we're still the Patriots. And we've been doing this for over 15 years. Hey, congratulations on getting to that Super Bowl after finishing in fourth place in the NFC East the year before. We finish in first place so often. We've never even considered the idea of putting up a first place.

banner. Indianapolis Colts completed onside kick they put up a banner. The Union Patriots only put up banners when they win the whole thing. Yesterday wasn't about putting up the number one finger. We're still number one. It was putting up a middle finger to the haters, to the narrative and to the Eagles. And with that, let's go to the cowherd Global Satellite Network and bring in Ben Boland who covers the team. Ben, let me ask you. Yesterday, you work for the Boston Globe

covering the Patriots beat. Should we be reading more into not just that Tom Brady played a half, but the energy and the way in which both sides of that ball played last night? Doug, I'll tell you what, man. You got me wanting to run through a wall after that, a little soliloquy there.

Look, I love a good conspiracy theory as anyone, and I like your take, Doug, but I'm just not quite ready to buy it. yet. I think honestly, this was about Tom Brady needs the reps. He needs to get ready. We all know he skipped the offseason program. He barely showed up except for a couple days of minicamp. It's been a very, very light training camp for Tom Brady. He went a full week without taking, you know, live team reps in 11 on 11s. It's almost been like Belichick's purposely dialed it back. We already saw the injury last night to Isaiah win. Edelman got injured last

preseason. They want to make sure these guys get to the regular season to week one. So they've really dialed it back. Tom Brady has, as you mentioned, all these new receivers, other than than Gronk and Edelman, a bunch of faces that he's not exactly familiar with. He didn't play in the first preseason game, and he's not going to play in the last preseason game. So they got to get him some snaps. And as, you know, Brady said, he got his instincts back last night. Sure, you can train in Montana all summer, all that you want, but you've got to face the pass rush. You've got to do it when the bullets are flying live. So I think they just wanted to get Tom Brady in that offense some work because they haven't put in a ton since the Super Bowl and it's time to get ready

for the regular season. Isaiah Wynn goes down, tears his Achilles 10, his first round pick. There was some thoughts he was kind of the rotating kind of combo offensive lineman. How much does this hurt a guy who is potentially going to start in the right side of the line? Yeah, he could have started at several positions, maybe right tackle, maybe left guard, maybe even some left tackle where they lost Nate's older. You used the 23rd pick on an offensive lineman. and you wanted him to contribute right away.

And they had very high hopes for Isaiah win. This loss, not only are you taking a talented first round type player out of your lineup, but of course it really hurts the depth. And they're also struggling with depth right now. Right tackle Marcus Cannon. He's been out of camp for the last couple weeks, hasn't played in the preseason games. So they have some depth. They have some bodies there.

But you've got a 41-year-old quarterback you've got to protect. You lost Nays Solor already. Now you're losing your first-round pick. you expected to be a big part of that offensive line. Never a good sign for the Patriots when you're already losing key guys this early in the season. There's a big question with New England. Last year, they were able to do it and get to the Super Bowl without enough playmakers on defense. Malcolm Butler's gone, but they made some difference, made some adjustments.

But also Matt Patricia's gone. And of course, Brian Flores is his replacement, gets kind of bumped up as young, very talented, very well-regarded defensive coordinator. What are the Patriots think about their defense? as of right now. The offseason approach has definitely been, well, you know, we think that just by getting a few guys back from injury, that it'll be upgrades.

And they didn't have Dante Hightower in the Super Bowl last year. He's, I know he's a linebacker, but he's actually kind of a defensive end and one of their better pass rushes. So losing him was a big blow to the pass rush. They also get back this kid, Derek Rivers. He was last year's third round pick, someone who tore his ACL on the preseason. So they're excited to see what they can get from him.

Another year of Trey Flowers. They added Adrian Claiborne, who had nine sacks from the Falcons last year. So they think with a few key updates, upgrades on defense, that they can scheme up some pressure. You know, they don't have a Khalil Mack out there. They don't have a Chandler Jones anymore, a pure pass pressure. But Belichick thinks that they can scheme up some pressure and that was some depth and getting some guys back from injury that it'll improve the defense.

And, you know, we'll see. That defense got torched into Super Bowl by a backup quarterback. No offense to Nick Foles. But, you know, he lit them up left and right and all the credit to him. But their defense, you know, I just. I just, there are still some significant questions about whether they did enough to upgrade it in the offseason. Look, but they do run the benefit of playing in the AFC East. The bills are probably going to start a rookie quarterback at some point, probably too early because whether the bills,

the Jets don't appear to have the talent yet. They're going to start a rookie quarterback. And look, the dolphins got rid of some of the most talented big name players, and they're going to start Ryan Tannahill who's coming off in ACL. So you can pencil in the Patriots, barring some catastrophic series of injuries to win the AFC. East, but they don't play to win the AFC East. They play to get to the big game. And there's been a lot of talk about

kind of the feelings, the vibe there, whether or not Belichick and Brady really are on the same path. They both went on radio and said we're on the same, we're still aligned, we're still married, if you will. But sometimes when you say you're still together, you say you're still aligned,

that's actually telling people the opposite. What's the truth there about the status of that relationship? Yeah, I would definitely say it's not perfect. 19 years, with anyone together, you're going to have some ups and some downs. And there are some issues between them, mostly revolving around Alex Guerrero and how Belichick kind of reduced and revoked a lot of his access last year. That's Brady's right-hand man and his trainer. So it's definitely not a perfect relationship. And Bill Belichick is not the easiest guy to get along with. I

think we can all agree with that. But like it's not so bad that it forced either of them to leave. It's not like Belichick left in a hoff, and it's not like Tom Brady dropped a surprise retirement on and I just can't deal with this guy anymore. I think it's a professional relationship. They still are going to be meeting twice a week to go over the game plan and the opponent. They're still going to make it work. They're still aligned with the same goals of winning Super Bowls. There's no question

about that. We'll see what happens when there's some adversity this year. And there's always some during the regular season. Every week during the course of the season. So, Ben, are they, they're living in the same home, sleeping in separate beds, sleeping in the same bed, different bedrooms, just co-parenting?

What is it? What is the marriage analogy? They're sleeping in the same bed, but it is still a chilly relationship. It's maybe not as hot and heavy as it used to be. But, you know, that happens when you're married. You know, how many people are married 19 years still have a hot and heavy relationship with their partner?

But it's professional, and they're definitely making it work. But of course, there are issues, and it does make you wonder, it didn't happen this year, but it could happen next year. Could it be enough to drive one of them away? Great stuff. Ben Boland from Boston.

Globe, follow him on Twitter for all your Patriot News. Unfortunately, the news after an outstanding game last night is Isaiah win. Their talented offensive lineman out of the University of Georgia, the rookie gone for the year with a tornikioes tendon. Ben, we'll let you get back after it. Thanks so much for joining us in the herd. All right. Thanks a lot, Tom. Coming up next, Jeannie Bus, Jeannie Bus had an interesting response to Kobe Bryant

slash Laker fans who aren't accepting of LeBron James. wearing the Laker or Forum Blue and Gold. I'll tell you why I think that was a mistake. Why I would think it was a mistake? Upcoming next. Three playoffs are live from Dallas. Catch Drew Good, Nate Robinson, and other NBA stars as they hit the hardwood with a trip to the championship on the line.

It all begins at 8 Eastern on Fox or stream it live on the Fox Sports app. And don't miss the Big Three championship next Friday. Dude, I love the championship's going to be in Brooklyn next Friday. like the last, when they played in Brooklyn last year? Big three is sick. It really is. Very much enjoy it. Sick and a good, that's what the kids say for a good thing these days, right?

It's sick. Yes, yes. You made fun of me for saying woke yesterday. Am I allowed to make fun of you for saying it's sick? Do we bleep anything on this show? Could we add that to the words that we bleep live? Yeah, look, I'm, I'm fired up for, big three has become kind of a thing, right? It's become a thing.

Does stars come out every week? Yes, yes. It's like a concert as well, all wrapped into one. Can't wait to see it from Dallas this Friday, from Brooklyn, next Friday the championship only on Fox. I'm Doug Gottliebilling in for calling. She's Rachel Benetta. We'll hear from her in a moment, in a moment. You only get a moment, just so you know.

Thank God I only get that moment. There's been talk of this struggle that some Laker fans have. And this is the hard part about being a fan, right? It's like, wait, wait, I'm supposed to be a LeBron fan. fan now because he plays for us when I didn't like LeBron before. I've stated this time again, one of the true crimes, the NFL is we haven't had

Rogers versus Brady. I know they don't actually match up against one another, but wouldn't you like to see Rogers Brady? It's one of the great things about boxing whenever they get their stuff together. Granted, we didn't see Pachia Mayweather until Pachial was well past his prime. It's one of the great things about tennis is that

organically we do see the best Federer and Adal. right? Jokevich, Federer, Djokovic Nadal. Amazing. It's like a boxing match only with tennis rackets and a ball. Basically played in a country club setting. But nonetheless, we never got Phil and Tiger paired together at Sunday, although Phil and Tiger are going to play for that made-for-TV event. What around Thanksgiving? So there are things we never got Kobe versus LeBron. We didn't. And Kobe was, hey, he's our guy. They sent Shaq away

And Kobe, after wanting to be traded away, turns it around, wins two championships. And even though it was ending poorly because of injuries and a terrible contract and mismanagement And partially because Kobe didn't have it anymore And he wasn't seen as a guy that other people at that point in his career wanted to play with, it ended terribly. His last season, he had the lowest effective field goal percentage

in the league for a starter. This Kobe Bryant, a first ballot Hall of Famer, one of the all-time great players. And yet, 60 points, Mamba out, perfect moment to end an incredible career, which you have only played for one team. Now LeBron comes to town. And because, I guess because there's a mural that was painted and then painted over and then defaced several times over, there's this thought that Laker fans are really struggling. I can't believe LeBron is a Laker. Was this Yesterday on Rich Eisen, the Rich Eisen show, Jeannie Bus, had this to say about Laker fans who don't welcome in LeBron James. They're not Laker fans if they're not happy about LeBron joining the team.

So, you know, there was some unrest and some uneasiness. And I just think those are troublemakers that, you know, they don't get it. first thing is, and I really believe this. I really believe, I live in Southern California. I don't know anyone who's not fired up about LeBron James come to L.A. Like, these people don't actually exist. And you're like, well, I saw it on a mural, like, there's plenty of murals that are defaced in Los Angeles. You know?

I mean, painting over graffiti with graffiti is kind of a thing, which I hate. Like, I'm not a tagger guy. And he's like, what is it? Tagger? Taggers are defacing somebody's property. And I actually thought it was a really cool. But like, who does that? This is like Hater Nation, some loser.

But if you, 99% of real human beings, Laker fans or otherwise in the city of angels and even outside of the basin are fired up because the Lakers, last five years have been the worst five years stretch in their history. Of course they're excited. but the idea that, hey, if you don't accept it, you're not a Laker fan. Now, if you want to say you painting over a mural makes you not a Laker fan, it's just not the, you know, when people are accused, you ever been to a youth sporting event and there'll be a dad that says,

check his birth certificate. Check his birth certificate. That scene is a negative thing. I actually take it as a positive. if your kid is so good that another dad thinks he's got to be older than the rest of the kids and long as he's not older than the rest of the kids

and long as he's not Danny El Monte who gets done playing in the Little League World Series and goes and smokes a pack of Marlboros and puts his kids to bed, as long as he's not that guy, like that's actually, that's actually respect that they're giving you. Like an athlete who's asked,

like, are you on steroids? I didn't forget my mother-in-law when I was in college I was kind of buff Rachel this is a true story my mother-in-law I don't believe it I don't believe it my mother-in-law asked my now-wife then-girlfriend like is Doug ever taking steroids and she's my wife is like I don't really want to ask you this

but I swear my mom I was like that's like the nicest thing anybody's ever said to me you sure it wasn't because like your anger problems and I have back knee yeah there's some other things that you know I just had an image in my head I did not have back me. Well, okay, me then one time. No, I look at it as, that's the nicest thing you can ever say.

Like, my body's the point where somebody who would actually think I was taking performance dancing drugs. So here's how I would look at it if I'm Jeannie Bus, I'm Kobe Bryant. Like if people are so, if there's any percentage of people, which I have yet to find, they're actually upset at Kobe Bryant, excuse me, LeBron James coming to L.A. to play for the Lakers. that only means that the marriage between Kobe and the Lakers was a success. Like that the bond was so tight that if you win a championship, they will love you so much that one of the greatest players in the history of the sport comes to your team and they don't welcome him with open arms.

Of course, that also shows they don't know anything about the history of the Lakers, having gotten Kareem Abdul-Jabh, Wilts Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille, and others came from different Paugasol, came from different. different teams, Lamarro from different teams, to become Lakers stars. But I just, the idea, well, you're not a Laker fan. No, there's people that if there are a Laker fans out there, and I'm yet to find any, that are having trouble getting, that LeBron James is in their feelings, it's because they love the Lakers so much that they're having trouble processing the rivalry.

Like, look, I have trouble processing how Shaquille O'Neal got a statue up so quick when he played for the Boston Celtics. You can't be a Laker and play for the boss Celtics, can you? Anyway, that's the way I look at. Let's get to Rachel Benetta with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. One of my favorite stories of the day, nay, weak. Nay, weak, I like it. Fox Sports, to feature all women's broadcast team on Sunday, Major League Soccer game, DC United versus New

England Revolution on FS1. Coverage starts at 730 Eastern. And they've got quite the lineup. We've got Lisa Byington. She is a veteran play by play. She played basketball and soccer, right? Northwestern. Daniel Slayton, she's an analyst,

played for the U.S. Women's National Team from 2000 to 2005. And then you got my girl, Katie Witham, Emmy Award-winning sideline reporter. I'm very excited for this. That's cool. 2018, baby. Time to make some changes. It's really cool.

Enough of hearing us Guy Idiot. mumble and grumble. Let's get some ladies out there who know what they're talking. Shaddust my girl. Daniel Satan's perfect example. Like, look, if you played soccer, you know what you're talking about. I don't, doesn't, man, woman, doesn't matter. Teach me something when I'm watching the sport.

Absolutely agree. I'm really excited to watch that game and hear that what is sure to be amazing coverage. Next up this pains me. Demar de Rosen portrayed from the Raptors. Yes. To San Antonio.

But he is getting the respect that he deserves already. Somebody painted him on an epic mural. Is he sitting on the bench like he was in game? He may not have played a game yet. Game four. But here he is. But get who he's beside.

He's beside Manu Genoblee. Genobli, sorry. Tony Parker, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Greg Popovich. So all the guys that have actually won championships and DeMar de Rosen. So they're already assuming rightly so that DeMar de Rosen is going to be. I do think this. Like, listen, I like DeMar. I like DeMar. I

do think, like, he's kind of Kobe light, and the challenge to him is playing 2018, 2019 basketball where you play beyond the three-point line. And I think the spurs are going to be better than they. Like, listen, last year they were competitive. They got the seven seed, but I think there were two games out of the three seed. And they did so essentially without Kauai Leonard. Tony Parker is on his last legs, if that. So, Dejante Murray gets better, which he should, shoots it a little bit better.

And you got DeMard Rosen, you got a really athletic, youthful backcourt. Marcus Haldress is better, but the mural's a little bit much. Like, that's a stretch. How long until someone defaces it like they did, LeBron? I don't know. People in San Antonio are super nice. Yeah, what's with that in L.A.? That's a beautiful mural.

I just, like, I don't, why would you ever deface a mural? What's the point? I don't know. But you're a loser, that's why. Yes. And then finally, I really love this story, too. I'm sure you read the Players Tribune article that came out written by Kevin Love a little while ago. He talked about having a panic attack journey.

a game. He talked to Carson Daly on the Today Show about the support he received from LeBron James. Take a listen to this. It was a special moment for me because we sat towards the end of the bus. It kind of said, hey, you have a moment. You stopped me and said, you know, shook my hand, looked me in my eye and said, you helped a lot of people today. It's important. And that was super powerful for me because, you know, not only is he the best athlete in the world, and best basketball playing the world. But his influence and having my back with that was super important to me. I do wonder if LeBron had a panic attack with the Dallas series.

Like he did not look like himself. Listen, I think it's, I have so much respect for Kevin coming out and speaking about this topic because there are so many people that suffer. I myself have dealt with a ton of mental health issues throughout my life. And just hearing somebody that is so accomplished in his life, If you look at somebody like Kevin Love, they're like, wow, this guy's got it all. I can only imagine the young boys, young men watching and play, striving to be somebody like him and dealing with their own issues.

The fact that he came out and was able to talk about it and LeBron James came out and supported it, that's just amazing. I think it is too. I'm going to be honest with you, okay? If I had a grasp on what I would say is performance, anxiety, and basketball, I think it would have played in the NBA. I couldn't. I went from, like, I could always.

always make end of game free throws, couldn't make a shot. And it was completely neck up, completely neck up. And it was and still remains a little bit taboo, even when you say like mental health issues. Like, well, that's such a, such a bland term. Like the idea that you have performance anxiety, and all of a sudden your body locks up and you understand your brain is so powerful that even though you've trained for years, you can't get yourself to overcome it. Now, Some of these guys are amazing and they push themselves through. And the other part, it's hard to relate to people who've never gone through any sort of anxiety. What anxiety is actually like.

But I've had a panic attack before. And good for Kevin Love for saying it. And good for LeBron. That's a sign of a true teammate. I do wonder, I wonder, because LeBron played so far below his level at the end of that Dallas Maverick series, if he, too, had to come to grips with some sort of anxiety or. performance of anxiety. I'm sure and I think it's extra hard for somebody like an athlete. Like I played varsity sports and when I was first starting out, my dad had just passed away.

So I was dealing with a whole whack of anxiety. It was the first time I had ever been away from home. I was going through my first bout of depression at 17. I had no idea who to turn to but as an athlete, even at a varsity level, you have to be strong. Yeah, listen, it's funny. The other thing you have to do is you have to talk to somebody. Yeah, you do. And odds are, especially men, I can only imagine how it is. Like, no, I don't need to talk to anybody. I'm fine. I'll figure this out. I'm an athlete. I'm strong. I'm sure that was LeBron James mentality.

Yes, it's every day. You're seen as being soft. It's totally taboo. Great point. Awesome story. Rachel Bonnet with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I'm fascinated by the Pat Mahomes experiment in Kansas City. Kansas City. Kansas City, she's played tonight preseason football. Now, here's what you need to know about Mahomes. He was awesome.

last year in the preseason. I thought the Chiefs were super smart in that they basically registered him. He played just week 17. If you talk to college coaches, I had Mike Gundy, the Oklahoma State head coach on my show, and I said, you know, Big 12 quarterbacks haven't done well in the pros. Is there one guy that surprised you that he hasn't done well? He's like, look, he hasn't had a chance yet, but Pat Mahomes is the dude. I talked to Cliff Kingsbury, who's Pat Mahomes' college coach. He's like, look, everybody says, you know, everybody in our system puts up crazy numbers. Like remember, we had Davis Webb,

who's a quarterback with the Giants, we had Baker Mayfield, the number one overall pick. He's like, Pat Mahomes is so much more talented than both of those guys. It's not even funny. He crazy, crazy arm talent, size, and athleticism.

But I'm fascinated by how it works with Andy Reid from this perspective. Look at Andy Reid's success as an NFL head coach with the Philadelphia Eagles and with the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, just look at what they had with Alice Smith. Alex Smith was captain checked down. Alex Smith had to be really kind of goaded and prodded.

Like, hey, you got Tyreek Hill over there outside. Like, just throw it up to him, he will go and get it. And to go from that, and they've done a smart job, they got Travis Kelsey in the inside, they got Sammy Watkins, you got the NFL's leading rusher behind you. You got Tyreek Hill, who no one seems to be able to keep in front. like you have speed, you got a, you know, you have, I don't know if Sammy Watkins everyone lives up to his billing. I think they overpaid him, but I think they did so because

they wanted to give him all, give Pat Mahomes all the weapons that he needed so that his armed talent could come out. But boy, he's a, there's a, there's a lot of risk in it. Like, I know people don't like that underneath stuff, but did you watch Tom Brady throw last night? Tom Brady to throw a downfield occasionally, but he's made a career out of accuracy on underneath stuff. And you have Andy Reid, who Don of McNabb, not terribly accurate. Don McNab is not a great quarterback, but McNabb understood, I mean,

from McNabb to Detmer to Kevin Cobb, hell was good with him, to Alex Smith. They all saw success, but they were all guys with limited talent. here's a guy that might have unlimited talent in terms of his arm talent is potential. But when you have an absolute cannon, a howitzer for an arm, you're going to force things in there.

You're going to misread things. You're going to overvalue your arm talent. And it'll be interesting to see. Look at the two, Andy Reid used to be in Green Bay when they had Brett Farve. And look, look, I made a mistake a couple weeks ago when I was on with Colin. he was talking about the top 10 quarterbacks of modern football.

I didn't list Fav. I just forgot. I looked at Collins list, and there was a couple of guys I didn't like, and I forgot to put Farrv in there. Fav's absolutely in there. But Fav would struggle on some level in this NFL because Fav was a big risk and reward guy.

A lot of turnovers. And though the league seems to be evolving and changing and all about offense and bet the over, especially the first month of the season with the new helmet rules, I just, I wonder. a team that's dominated the AFC West. They start out with the Chargers, a franchise they've dominated, even though he has more armed talent.

Are they actually the worst because of it? Because in an effort to completely change and take shots that they didn't take before, is there going to lead to more interceptions, more turnovers? And he who wins a turnover battle generally wins a football game. I'm fascinated to see how the Pat Mahomes experiment works out in Kansas City. Because I will tell you, you ask anybody like, That dude has just a cannon and a fairly accurate canon at that. Coming up.

Did you know the devil is rooting for the Eagles? The devil. Yeah. The hot place. I'll explain next in the herd. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. is the herd to answer my son's question, which is when's Colin? What isn't Colin ever work? We'll be back Monday, kids. Don't worry. Uncle Colin, what he got right, what he got wrong, why he was gone

for a week, he'll answer all questions on Monday. But whether it's Colin or whether it's me or whoever else sits in this chair, we always say the best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's

Time for best for last. All right. You know in a movie when a guy finds himself with a decision to make, right? There's two little guys or gals that are on his or her shoulder, right? It's the angel and the devil. We thought we would do the same here in the herd. Look how wholesome I love. We have an angel.

She's an angel. And we also have a devil. He's the devil. It's the angel and the devil. Devil. So here's what we're going to do. We take the top football stories of the day. And Voice of God is that of John Goulet.

Thank you. That's his birthday present to you. I didn't get you anything. I did get you something. I got you air time here. Appreciate it. Who does more for you than me? Huh?

Huh? I'm going to play the devil this time. I know. Surprise. Surprise. Surprise. Surprise. What do you got, Voice of God?

The Eagles' chances to repeat. I'll go first. I'm the lady. Eagles, 10 to 1 odds to win Super Bowl, second best in NFL, tied for best in NFC. Carson Wend's return set franchise record, 30-through-passed touchdown in just 13 games. Added Halodi Nata and Michael Bennett to defense, Jason Peters, Jordan Hicks, and Darren Sprouls also all return from their injuries. I don't hate to be that guy because I am that guy. No, you love to be that guy.

I am the devil, okay? Let me explain to you here. No one's repeated since the Patriots in 03 and 04. By the way, that was the last time any team, the NFC East repeated as champions. That's 14 years ago. Cowboys are better. They get Zeke back for a whole season. They got rid of Jason Whitten, who was too old, and they got rid of Des Bryant,

who even the Browns don't want Des Bryant. That's addition by subtraction, my friends. You got Alex Smith in Washington, who's, kind of the same guy as Kirk Cousins, only he actually wins regular season games. Oh, and then you got the New York Giants who didn't have any wide receivers at the end of last year. They get Odell Beckham Jr., Jr. back, and they got Sequin Barclay as they're running back. The division's better. They're arrogant.

I saw arrogance yesterday. They don't have Alshan Jeffrey. They can't play that underdog role. And they play a first-place schedule as opposed to the fourth-play schedule last year. They ain't repeating. You know why? The devil said so. The devil is in the details.

We need a timer for the devil. Can we get a cap here? Okay, next one. The Jets starting Sam Darnold, week one. Okay, he's the only USC quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards in a season. All right, they drafted him third overall. The people want to see him. New York is the most impatient city in the world.

That actually should be number one. Yes. Most rookie quarterbacks. They go through bumps. It's part of the process. This is the angel speaking. Okay, I'm sorry. Don't get to interrupt.

And finally, the Jets have an awesome schedule to start. They play Detroit, Miami, and Cleveland. That's an awesome schedule? You know what that is? That's good news for Detroit, Miami, and Cleveland. That's what that is. It's a favorable schedule. Yeah, he's got no help around him, no blocking.

You mentioned he's a USC quarterback. There is a list of great NFL quarterbacks to the USC quarterbacks, right? There's Carson Palmer, and there's Carson Palmer, and there's Carson Palmer. There's Carson Palmer. Don't say it again. And there's Carson Palmer, right? I mean, yeah.

There's Carson Paul. I mean, Mark Sanchez took him to two AFC championship games. The only problem was, I think most Jet fans are convinced that Mark Sanchez actually left-handed. He just didn't know it. He threw the ball right in.

Matt Barkley. Matt Linerd. He's a friend. A kid plays in his flag football league. Anyway, they're not in any position to win this year. So why play a guy behind a depleted offensive line

the camp block or handoff to running backs that can't find holes. What you need to do is play Teddy Bridgewater. Let him build up his stock. Then trade Teddy Bridgewater and get an asset in return. You want to play him fine. Let him sit, let him watch. You only played a year in three quarters. This would be a mistake.

The David Carr effect. I threw me as the devil. I threw everything I could at David Carr and he crumbled. I don't want to throw it that much at Sam Donald. This is a bad idea, a bad decision. I feel like the devil gets more camera time. He gets way more camera time. Look how darling this little angel looks in the bottom left corner.

Come on. All right, last one. Dak Prescott says he's starting to really click with his wide receivers. Okay. Dack's career numbers without Des Bryant. He's 3 and 0 with 116 passer rating. Okay? I want to really draw this one out.

My next point. is this. Zeke and Tyrone Smith are back, which will help passing game. In 2016, DAC set rookie passer rating record. And finally, my final point.

Cowboys have most wins in NFC over last two years. Eat it. Devil! Listen, I'm friends with Des Bryant. That's because I'm the devil, right? I'm also friends with Jerry Jones. I mean, you know, It was going to be a party down here when he comes down here.

Cole Beasley is their longest tenured receiver. Cole Beasley. If you're building your wide receiving core around Cole Beasley, I like Cole Beasley. Good dude, funny, great story, undrafted SMU. Even the devil, I got a little respect for him. But, I mean, he had to kind of make a deal with me in order to make the NFL. At some point, I'm going to collect on that. Can you name another cowboy when Alan Hearns is possibly your name.

number one. No one can pick out their tight end out of a lineup. Tony Romo is a better quarterback than Dak Prescott. Just because they're getting along better doesn't mean they're actually good. I think the bigger problem is no one understands that Dak Prescott made a deal with me so that Tony Romo was hurt early and that allowed Dak Prescott to get that job early. Dak Prescott can jive all he wants to this wide receiver, but the idea of an ensemble cast has never been the cowboy way and frankly it's not a way that generally works in the National Football League.

I don't care how good they get along they don't have the dudes to win. And that's the angel and the devil. More than anything, we wanted that graphics team. They do a great job with the graphics. And the fire behind. Can I get the fire behind me one last time?

I can do this whole thing right here. You should be your new Twitter DP. Right there. Letting people know they should not follow you. Yeah. She's Rachel. But Netta, you can see here. She lives generally on Twitter,

and she chose to appear in real life here today. I came out of the shadows. You have an assignment. You have an assignment? I do. Yes. Yes. My cousin Vinnie.

You need to go watch my cousin Vinny. Oh, I was like, crap. I don't know it. Yes. That's the assignment. As for Colin, he'll be back on Monday. Told you what he did right, what he did wrong. Or what Colin got right, what Colin got wrong.

Got a whole list of preseason games. and we are less than two weeks away from college football kicking off. Less than two weeks, kids. So it's essentially finally here. And this is, it's one of those things, we'll tell you preseason football as much as we blow it off and you don't want to overreact to it. It's cool to overreact to it.

Like I'm overreacting a little bit to the Patriots. I thought they looked great last night. I did. I thought Aaron Rogers looked super sharp last night. And I'm concerned about Sam Donald's health. and his mental health, which we talked, just the idea of all these guys getting into the defensive backfields,

hitting him, sacking him twice. He'll start getting rid of the ball a little bit too quickly. I think anyone would be affected by it and a rookie quarterback who hasn't seen live bullets would be super affected by it. So big plans this weekend? Big plans this weekend. I think I'm going to do a whole lot of nothing

and that actually sounds very nice. Waking up this early for the herd every single day, not what I'm used to. Love it. This is not that early, by the way. This is... Yeah, compared to undisputed over there? That's crazy earlier.

First thing, first is crazy early. I'll just say this as a guy that I didn't have my kids for like four to seven weeks, depending on the kids. Like we had four weeks, three weeks really together. My wife and I, we had no kids. You people with no kids, it's kind of boring. We live in large. No, that's not true. No, it's kind of boring.

Also, I have a dog, so technically I have a child. Yeah, except you can't go put your dog. You can't go put your kid in like a boarding thing for the weekend. Sure you could. You're like, hey, I'm going to go to San Barbara. You did. You sent them off to summer camp for the summer. Yeah, but that was more for them. No devices.

That's a kid boarding camp. Yeah, they're not locked into a cage with other kids sniffing their butts. Like, that doesn't happen. I really hope it doesn't. I would, I hope not. That's not the kind of camp we're looking for. She's the angel. She's Rachel Bedetta.

I'm Doug Gottlie. My thanks to the entire crew for making me feel like Colin, um, except my hair is not dyed brown. It really is brown. Oh. This is the herd. Oh. No. Good night.

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