The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Patriots, Tom Brady-Aaron Rodgers, celebrations, Lakers, & where Colin was right and wrong

Episode Date: November 5, 2018

Colin discusses why the New England Patriots system doesn't have a name, why NE Patriots QB Tom Brady is better than Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers, why the NFL allows TD celebrations, the rumors about Los Angeles Lakers HC Luke Walton, and where Colin was right and wrong over the weekend. Guests include Drew Bledsoe, Michael Vick, Chris Broussard, and Trent Dilfer. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How are you? Good morning. Good morning. You know, last night I was going to see the great Aaron Rogers and the system quarterback Tom Brady. And I want to talk about that system in New England. It's fascinating. The most fascinating thing about Tom Brady's system quarterback is that, you know, systems get names in basketball, the triangle offense. I mean, by the first championship, they gave it a name.

In the NBA, the pick and roll offense. We love in baseball, money ball, in football, the West Coast offense, the Wildcat offense, the wishbone offense in the 50s, 60s, 70s. Even defenses get nicknames, Joy. The 4-6 defense. We love giving nicknames to defenses, offenses, baseball, basketball, and the NBA. But why does a New England system have a nickname? 18 years, been on TV more than any team except the Cowboys. I mean, Joe Montana won with the West Coast offense.

And L.A. one with Mike Shanahan and offensive coaches zone blocking scheme. It's funny, Belichick's a defensive coach. Defensive coaches don't have offensive systems, do they? And offensive systems, systems in general get copied. But how come nobody else in the league looks like New England? You ever notice that? I mean, systems, everybody copy the West Coast offense, they still do. Everybody copied the 4-6 defense they still do.

People copy the pick and roll, moneyball analytics. The Wildcat for two years was red-hot. But how come nobody copies New England system? It's funny. When the coordinators leave town and they go to new teams, the offense doesn't look like New England. It is so weird. People say a lot of things. hold them to what they say.

Hey, call it. I'll tell you what the system's called. It's called Belichick. Oh, get the man of Milwaukee's best. He beat me on that one. Oh, wait, he didn't. You mean the Bill Belichick that had a losing record in Cleveland and was fired before Tom Brady?

That system? The system that was 5 and 11, his first year and a half in New England, with the great Drew Ledsoe. That system? I'll tell you what the system is, Colin, it's throwing to the tight end. Actually, the last three years, New England's got a better record when Gronks out. He was last night. They won convincingly.

Oh, it's just throwing to slot receivers, which won? Welker, Dionne Branch, Edelman, Hogan, got to a Super Bowl without Edelman last year. In fact, New England and Tom Brady have gotten to Super Bowls with three days. different coordinators. They've made the playoffs three times with no offensive coordinator. In fact, this is fascinating. You could call this the headless system. They don't even need coaches for it. Let me describe New England's system under Tom Brady. They're smarter than you, pre-snap. They're more precise and accurate than you. They're always better in the fourth quarter than you. They're more prepared than you, more coachable than you, and more committed than you.

If you want to call that a system, you can call it whatever you'd like. But we know, in football especially, we love to give nicknames. We don't even call him Terrell Owens. He's T.O. Jacksonville. Overnight became Saxonville. Fastest show on turf. Legion of Boom! Everybody's got a nickname because we give systems nicknames.

It's easy. The fans can embrace it. Network promos and marketing. But yet nobody has ever named New England system because it doesn't exist. Tom Brady, my friends, is the system. Belichick couldn't win without him in Cleveland and New England. Gronk is irrelevant, not worth half a point. either was Welker, he left, they got better,

and even Edelman left and they got to a Super Bowl. Tom is the system. Unlike the contemporary he played last night, he never complains about what he doesn't have. He just makes the most of what he does. Triangle offense, pick and roll, money ball, Wildcat, West Coast, Zone Reed. We've given every single.

system ever created in any sport a name. There's a reason we've never given New England's one. The system doesn't exist. The name is Tom Brady. Let me shift to this. Yesterday during a game, that Saints Rams game, that was wildly entertaining, was it not? Those are two great teams.

Michael Thomas, great player for the Saints, scored a touchdown, and then went and grabbed a flip phone, kind of a schick he'd practiced it. In fact, yesterday I saw Seattle do a touchdown celebration that clearly they'd spent a lot of time on. I went on the Internet and saw the Kansas City Chiefs at practice, practicing celebrations. I saw Michael Thomas do his thing. I'm not really a fan of it. But the NFL, it should be noted, is not of a fan of it either. They don't like it.

But unlike Major League Baseball, the NFL is brilliantly run and still wants people in their teens and early 20s to watch their sport. It got a penalty, so that's one of the reasons I don't like it. And one of my life mottoes is celebrate rarely, grind daily. I'm not a big celebration. Rather give out presents than get them at Christmas. That's okay. That's just my personality.

But the NFL makes changes more often than any other league. And they're always right. They changed the PAT. The coaches screamed. It's made the game more dramatic. protect the quarterback. This is killing football. Funny, only Garoppolo's hurt.

No catch rule is now the catch rule. And even with celebrations, many people don't like it. But you know why they do that? Because the NFL is and has always been the best run league. They want viewers. They see themselves as entertainment and a TV show. Last night's Rams Saints game and last night's Packers Patriots game, we'll get triple the ratings of the Eastern Conference NBA finals without LeBron.

Celtics, Toronto, we'll get a six and a half, seven. Those things last night are getting 15s and 16s. The NFL makes rules, and we always overreact. Oh, the game's too soft. We're a dress. Nobody's heard. And every rule change is right. I don't love what Michael Thomas did.

I'd prefer players don't have choreogical. graphs, skits and devices lodged under goalposts. But let's talk macro here, not micro, big picture, not small picture. The NFL does this for you because they respect 17-year-olds, not 67-year-olds alone. It's what baseball continually struggles with, and it's why football will always be king in my broadcasting career. They get it. Adapt, evolve, even if, and the league is mostly run by 50 and 60-year-old guys, even if

it's a little off their personal sensibility, they don't love this stuff. They really don't. If they did, they wouldn't have changed it. But with the emergence of social media, free clicks, Facebook, Instagram, this stuff lives and plays forever. I don't love what Michael Thomas did. the league doesn't love it, his coach didn't love it. Drew Brees probably didn't love it.

But I don't have to love everything to get that it's right. It's smart. It's good business. And it's why the NFL remains king. And it's not even close. Coming up next, let's not talk about system quarterback Tom Brady anymore. Let's talk about Aaron Rogers and what he doesn't have.

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Great game last night. It's one of our blazing five picks. We said, take New England. Packers, here's the headline today. Packers don't hold up their end of the bargain in the Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady Showdown. Of course, it's, you know, I mean, it's got to be somebody else's fault. So, you know, I look at the box score after games.

I look at stats and let's see. Total plays. Well, they both had 69. And rushing. It was pretty similar. They both had a decent running night, both teams. Time of possession. Green Bay had it a little more.

Neither team had a defensive or special teams touchdown. But the headline reads that Aaron Rogers had no help. The Packers once again let him down. I don't know. I saw his wide receivers make great catches. I mean, Marquez Valdez Scandling and over 100 yards. I mean, I couldn't have caught those. You couldn't have caught those.

Jimmy Graham had a touchdown. Devante Adams. They ran the ball again effectively. Tom Brady did not have Gronk, who will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Nor does he have his best true running back, Sony Michelle. Brady has a wide receiver now playing running back, Corderole Patterson. And yet he dropped 31 points and with two minutes left was kneeling. Tom Brady, it should be noted, was sack.

twice, Aaron only once. Green Bay in the last seven years, all of which has been Aaron Rogers Prime, they have a losing road record. Apparently, I had no idea. Aaron travels on the road by himself. He gets on the bus, and it's the bus driver and Aaron and nobody else. And then he gets on the United Airlines plane to Foxborough, and there was nobody else on it. It was just Aaron Rogers.

By the way, in those seven years, he's had seven Pro Bowl offensive lines. lineman. Tom Brady's had two. In those seven years, wide receivers, he's had four pro bowlers. Tom Brady's had one. Tom Brady's the one that you could argue gets on a bus and there's nobody there. Gets on a plane and there's nobody there. You know, I keep saying Rogers isn't Brady. After what I saw on TV, I'm not sure he's Drew Breeze. Drew Breeze dropped 45, points on the Rams. They couldn't stop him. No, I mean, they couldn't stop him. Drew Breeze is going to hold 60 to 70 percent of all NFL quarterbacking records when he retires. His franchise was a mess when he arrived. Rogers was handed a championship team. Green Bay and New England, once again,

tied entering the fourth from that point forward. Tom Brady, look it up. six for six, 104 yards, a perfect passer rating. Aaron two of seven, 15 yards of 39.6 passer rating. Again, I must have missed the point where the Packer players got on the bus an hour early. And the worst part is, and I do think Aaron's great, he's now milking it. Oh, no, no, no, no. The eye rolls, the exasperation. You can read it on his face.

I saw six great quarterbacks yesterday. Six great quarterback. I watched Russell Wilson, Philip Rivers, Drew Breeze, Jared Goff, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rogers. I watched all of them yesterday, and they're all fantastic. They're all amazing. I'm lucky to have all of them as my quarterbacks in my life. But only one constantly in the offseason takes the passive aggressive shots at his organization is exasperated on every incompletion down the field.

There was a moment for Russell Wilson yesterday where he could have been exasperated. He threw a perfect ball that would have tied the game against the Chargers. It was typical Russell Wilson. Rolling brilliantly. Fired a laser to the back of the end zone at home to tie the game with the Chargers.

And the ball was dropped. And what did Russell Wilson do? Looked upset for about half a second, then instantly realized, I'm the quarterback. I lead the franchise. No drama, no finger pointing. And he was back to being

what makes Russell Wilson special. No drama, no exasperation, no pointing fingers, no passive-aggressive. Rogers is great, but he has become predictably exasperated, predictably dramatic, predictably woe is me. Watch the body language.

It's becoming a tired act. You're not on that bus to the stadium alone, nor are you on that airlines to Foxborough alone. Here's Aaron after. Not being on the same page too many times. Whether I'm missing a throw or we're not in the spot, I think we're going to be at. It's happening in the worst times.

When we have to play our best in those crunch times, we haven't been playing our best. Not saying it's all his fault. Isn't 20, 25 percent, maybe he's. his fault? R-E-L-A-X. He's constantly telling us, we're not on the same page. But when I watch him on the sidelines, why would he be?

He's off by himself. Brady's not. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so the Rams dropped their first game of the season yesterday against the Saints. But Sean McBay doesn't seem to be too concerned.

In fact, he and defensive tackle, Michael Brockers think the loss might even be a blessing in disguise. Oh, we're good. We love it. You know, you find out about yourself when you have a little bit of adversity. And I know that everybody in that locker room is going to respond the right way. Have full confidence in that, Gary. Sometimes setbacks can be set-ups for comebacks.

The pressure's off, you know, no more media. We're a great team. You know, nobody can beat us. This game right here might be a blessing in disguise because, you know, the Rams. We came out. We fought back. So you never, you know, see us fold. we're definitely, you know, scratching clawback.

So this is definitely, I think, a blessing in disguise. It helps us play a little bit better. It help us play a little bit looser, too. I didn't think anything less of them after that. I thought it was an amazing showcase of talent. No, my opinion of the Rams changed 0%. The Saints are a great team. They're a Super Bowl-level team.

At home. Drew Brees is an instant Hall of Famer. At home, I mean, it's... You never want to say a loss is a good thing. But it's not always a terrible thing. It's not. And you learn things from. losses. So that's more important about what's going on here. Now, this isn't a bad loss.

Like you said, they're losing to a terrible team and they fell apart. It's a better team at home or a team that played better at home. That's all it is. It would not surprise anybody, right? If the Saints won the Super Bowl, nobody would be. There's two or three teams in the league. You wouldn't be shocked. Ram Saints, Patriots. And by the way, Steelers, Kansas City are not far off that. You would not be shocked if this team at home You know, I watched it yesterday and I was like, this is great coaching, this is great television, this is great talent. You can't run on the Saints defense. God, Breeze has got a great run defense supporting him.

I mean, look, the defense failed to get the stops at the end of the game. That's how it goes. And really, I think the bigger picture of what they're saying is every year we go through this where a team is undefeated early in the season. And they're like, oh, they're going to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. Never happens. And the one time it did happen recently was the Patriots, and we all know how that ended. So it's a good thing. You get to make adjustments and learn from the loss.

Speaking of losing, so for a third string quarterback, Nathan Peterman, or what did you call him? Pearlman? Yeah, Jason Peterman catalog. His name gets circulated quite a bit. So due to injuries to Josh Allen, who's an elbow injury, and Derek Anderson, who has a concussion. The bill started Peterman against the Bears yesterday. They lost 41 to 9, and Peterman threw it to the wrong team three times, including a pick six. Yeah.

But despite all of that, despite having as many pick sixes as touchdowns, he told the media he feels like he's improving. I think I don't feel snake bit, you know. I never feel like I'm a victim or anything like that, you know. It's football, it's life. Things don't always bounce your way. You just have to be able to take it how it comes and learn from it and then keep fighting for it. And I think, you know, we showed a lot of fight out there today. And that's what I'm proud of, really for our whole offense.

He seems like a great kid. You know, it is very hard. It's very hard to be critical of him because he does always remain positive. You know, a couple of weeks ago, we had a kid on the couch E.J. Manuel. And E.J. struggled in the NFL. I still like the guy. There's just some guys, this is a hard thing to do in the NFL. Yeah, E.J. Manuel had some things to say about Nathan Peterman, too.

Well, you know, the thing that to me stuck out about the story is like, man, the bills are just not getting enough credit for how terrible that Tyrod Taylor trade was. Yeah, that's a good point. What are you thinking? I know. You got a third round pick for Tyrod Taylor and this is your quarterback situation? And Tyrod Taylor, it's a bummer because he really liked Buffalo. Yes, he did. And he would have been a great, if you wanted to put Josh Allen out there,

he would have been a great mentor for Josh Allen the way that they wanted to, they set it up in Cleveland. For years, I've said this about quarterback. You don't have to be great. What you can't be as chaotic. Buffalo with Tyrod Taylor this year would not have been chaotic. Exactly. They've been seven and nine.

Exactly. And it's much. easier to go from that to a winning situation than to go from a disaster to a winning situation because once you have steady losing for as long as Buffalo has and chaos, how do you climb out of it? Look at what's happening in Cleveland right now. And he broke a 17-year playoff drought. I mean, you're going to get credit for messing that one up, Buffalo. I'm not going to like you slide on that one. Finally, Lakers president, Magic Johnson is standing by Luke Walden. So before last night's loss to the Raptors, Magic told LA Times, quote, I said it. Luke took it and we're all good.

It's no big deal. He's going to finish the season unless something drastic happens, which it won't. What's drastic? I don't know what to make of that quote, really. Like, it's a vote of confidence unless something happens. So it's kind of back into a corner, but not really. I don't really know what's going on there. Listen, here's what we know about the Lakers so far.

Number one, they can't compete with a team that's a top seat Toronto. Who was playing amazing and didn't even play Kauai last night. They have beaten the crappy teams, Phoenix, Dallas, and they're very close with those, like, playoff-level teams last year. San Antonio, Minnesota, Portland, they're exactly what we thought they should be 15 games into the season. They can't beat a really, really good team. In fact, they get whacked by it.

They're competitive, win or lose with, like, the San Antonio's and Portland's of the world, and they beat the crappy teams. Isn't this what we thought 15 games in they'd be? What I don't understand about the Lakers right now is one, at the end of the game, they were in it. I don't understand LeBron didn't play a minute in the fourth quarter. So unless there was something else going on there, the bench pulled them within 14. Why was he not out there? That's that I don't understand at all because it's not like that game.

They gave up too soon, in my opinion, in that game. They were in that game at the end. A couple shots and a couple stops and they're right back in that game. But also, stop splitting time at the point guard position. You can't keep splitting time between Rondo and Lanzo. you have to make a decision. You can't get in a rhythm. A point guard is a very specific position.

You can't get in a rhythm when you're splitting time like that. I understand sometimes they're hot and sometimes they're cold. That's the whole point. Lanzo needs to develop. You know what Rondo is. So either start Rondo and say that Lanzo still has time that he needs to develop or let Lanzo go out there and fail while you have the opportunity to let him do that. Not fail, but grow.

You can't keep splitting time. Well, they were down 42 to 10 in the first quarter. So I think they just said, you know, okay, whatever. and I think Toronto's way better, way deeper, way bigger, way more physical. But big picture, make a decision at the point guard position. You have to. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping back. The herd lie news. So yesterday in the NFL was separation Sunday. We're halfway through. And let me just, let's just talk about the AFC for a second. The AFC this morning is perfectly clear. The Steelers and the Chargers establish themselves as playoff teams. So let's look at the divisions right now.

I think it's really clear what we have. The Chiefs, the Patriots, the Steelers, and the Texans lead their division, and they are clearly the best teams in their division. The Chargers, by beating Seattle, are a flawed team in special teams, but they're really good. So, folks, yesterday was Separation Sunday. We had our questions about the Steelers. They figured it out.

Levian Bell, not here. Not a problem. Pass rush, one of the best in football. Defense on the back end, pretty much solved it. LA Chargers, went on the road, tough environment. They need a new field goal kicker, but dominated Seattle. We are halfway home. It's week nine in the NFL, and the AFC is decided with one exception.

New England's winning their division. Pittsburgh's winning their division. The Texans have a two and a half game lead if Tennessee loses tonight. They're winning their division, and the Chiefs are winning theirs. The Chargers are now officially in as an AFC wildcard team. How do I know that? Well, I don't know. Look at the Chargers' last 15 games.

They've only lost to the Rams, the Chiefs, at Jacksonville, at New England. The one opening that appears to be available in the AFC is a wildcard spot. Again, Patriots, Texans, Steelers, Kansas City. The gap between those guys and the team in their division are huge, except for Kansas City's small gap over the chargers. I'll say this now. I'll put it out there. The only playoff spot available in the AFC is a wild card,

and I don't buy into Cincinnati, and I don't buy into Baltimore anymore. I'm going to take the three and five Indianapolis Colts for four reasons to make a run and get to the playoffs. Number one is their schedule is easily, easily the more swerkable of everybody in the NFL. Jags, Titans, Dolphins, Jags, Texans, Cowboys, Giants, Titans. The Colts have the easiest schedule of any team in the NFL left.

Number two is Andrew Luck. Oh, he's healthy. Yeah, he's really good like we need to be reminded of that. The fact he still has detractors means there's a lot of people who just don't know football. Number three is, I'm not saying they have an offensive line that's the elite, but Chris Ballard in the last two years has really done an incredible job to solve Andrew Luck's protection. Their center is currently a pro bowler at the midway point. Their left guard just won AFC rookie of the month. Their tackles are good enough. They also, reason number

four, appear to have a decent running game with Marlon Mack, another good draft pick. So when I look at the AFC, the division winners, three are not in doubt. Patriots, Steelers, Texans are not in doubt. The Chiefs is only in doubt because of the Chargers. But I think the Colts will take, and right now the record doesn't indicate they'll take it, Baltimore and Cincinnati. But when I look at the four advantages the Colts have, Schedule, Luck, O-line, and a running game has been improved dramatically. My vote is the Colts sneak in in the AFC. Top of the hour are Blazing 5. Drew Bledsoe, Michael Vick, Chris Broussard, and Trent Dilfer all join us today.

I will say, let me go back to the Patriots for a second. And it's pretty remarkable when I watched that game. So yesterday morning, I make my son pancakes. And, you know, pancakes, I go online to make them from scratch. And pancakes haven't changed in 100 years. they're adding blueberries to them and a pumpkin pancake. The texture's the same. They look the same.

They mostly taste the same. You can change a few things, but a pancake's a pancake. And I'm sitting there watching New England last night, and it cracks me up. This 18 years, the only time this dynasty has looked different than now was for about a year and a half, Randy Moss. Other than that, I swear to God, 20 years from now, you're going to give me a 10. tape of New England's dynasty, and I'm not going to tell what year it is. I mean, Brady still looks like he did seven years ago. Brady still looks physically like he did nine years ago, 12 years ago.

Every year is the same. They start slow in September. This year they lost to the Lions. The media says the dynasty's over. Then they get red hot in October and November. And then there's a big Sunday night football game in Foxborough against another Super Bowl contender, and they pull away in the fourth. Even that trick play last night looked like the trick play they used last year,

in the year before, and the year before. Second half, tight game, they need a pop, and they go to a trick play. I swear to God, 20 years from now, you're going to give me a tape. I'm going to be watching highlights of the Patriots, and it'll all mesh together. I'll be like, I can't tell what year it is. How do I know? They all look the same. Even their trick plays look the same.

I mean, they are the pancakes I made yesterday. 1970 pancakes, 1990 pancakes, yesterday's pancakes. Can't tell what era they're from unless the plates changed. The only time they've ever looked different in New England is that Randy Moss 18, remember that one two-year stretch where they had this wild fireworks show deep? That's it. Other than that, it's just Edelman, Welker, Hogan, Dion, Branch, It looks the same.

The protection's the same. Brady looks the same. Brady wasn't one of these really mobile early in his career. Less mobile. He looks the exact same. Precision, accurate. So basically you're saying pancakes are the greatest breakfast food of all time. Well, they are at our house,

especially when dad makes him and the kids get to sit there and eat them. You don't put any extra Colin Cowherd-Flare on your pancakes? I really don't. I don't do anything. I just, I sat there watching it. I'm like, you could have shown me a tape. If I didn't watch this game, I was. sick yesterday. I slept all day. And you said, okay, here's what the game looked like

and showed me highlights. I'd be like, okay. I mean, that looks like three years ago, because they all looked the same. Here was Brady after the game on sitting seven and two. Anytime you beat a good football team, it feels good. So seven and two is a, you know, it's a long ways from one and two where we were. We strung together a lot of wins playing good football. And, you know, we got to keep it going. We've got another big one this week. By the way, all the Alabama teams until Tua look the same, all the UConn Women's Basketball Champion team looks the same, why is that? Because success is patterns and habits.

It's sustainable patterns and habits. That's why Bama teams, before Tua, all look the same. Yukon women's basketball always looks the same. And the Patriots, outside of the Moss years, it all looks the same. In fact, last six years through nine games, they've been seven and two, seven and two, seven and two, nine and no, seven and two, seven and two. It's the same team. Drew Bledso's around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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You know, I was saying, Drew, outside of the Randy Moss years, so much of the last decade for New England has looked the same. And so I think a lot of people fall into the, well, it's a sister. But Belichick had a losing record before Tom, and players leave and coaches leave New England, and they never duplicate the system. Is it possible that we've undervalued Brady a little? Because he doesn't have the big arm. He's not the best guy.

He's not the greatest athlete. Do we undervalue him sometimes? You know, I've said for a long time with Tom, what he does on Sunday and Monday, that's not where the greatness is. The greatness is during the week. During the week, he holds everybody to such a high level of excellence. He's such a great leader. And then when they get to Sunday and Monday, then they just go put it on the field.

But their system, it's about teaching football. Dante Scarnacia, their offensive line coach for all these years, is a guy that should go into the Hall of Fame as soon as he can after he retires. Because you watch their offensive line play. They continue to get better through the course of the year every season, where they're playing their best football at the end of the season, given Tom time to throw their run on the ball. So it is possible to replicate it,

but it has to be built all the way through the whole organization. By the way, I didn't think the Josh Gordon thing was worth the risk. I just, you know, when people have an addiction issue, that worries me. Are you surprised that Josh Gordon, the wide receiver? It appears to be getting better every Sunday. You know, if you have great culture around a team or really an organization, you can bring in somebody that's been a wild card elsewhere because now there's just there's a critical mass of people

that are doing things the right way and you have to step in line. If you don't have that great culture, then it's a great risk. You know, and all of a sudden now that one guy can tear down everything else you have. But in New England, you know, you can have one or two or maybe even three or four guys that have had trouble elsewhere, but because the culture is so strong, they're going to step in line. It seems to me that Aaron seems more and more exasperated. He made some comments before the year on local radio. He didn't like the replacement of the quarterback coach.

Last night, last couple of weeks, you can see that there's an emotional thing. He's emoting. He's frustrated. And, you know, quarterbacks are the rock of a franchise. You know, I look at McCarthy and Aaron Rogers, and I can feel the frost. It's not what it used to be. What's the end to it? If I said project the next three or four years for Aaron, where does it go, do you think?

Well, that's a good question. I mean, Aaron's a transcendent talent. I mean, I don't know if anybody's ever played the position at the level that he can play the position of quarterback at in terms of what he puts on the field. But when you're in a place for a long time and, you know, I mean, it's, I don't want to call it a marriage, it's a partnership. And you're with each other every day. Things can start to wear thin. I mean, you've seen it with Tommy and with Belichick. I mean, now thankfully, they just keep winning and so everything goes away.

But when you're there for that long and you have high expectations and you're not achieving those, it gets uncomfortable. Where does it go from here? I have no idea. I'm not counting them out this year. I know they've got a really tough schedule ahead. But, you know, with Aaron, anything is possible. The one thing I will say about the Packers and think about this. think about where the Packers would be without Aaron Rogers.

I mean, I just don't think they're that great offensively, and Aaron is sort of the, you know, you hear people described as the marineros that goes on top of the dish that hides everything else, and that's kind of what Aaron is. Without Aaron, you know, I don't know if they win any games. Yeah. You know, I watched Drew Breeze and golf battle yesterday. You remember, of course, when Drew broke into this league,

and he was in San Diego, he played in Purdue. Like you in college, he put up massive numbers, at a non-traditional power, would you have ever guessed that Drew Brees all these years later? I mean, I watched him yesterday. I can argue he was better than every quarterback I saw yesterday, including Rogers and Brady. Are you surprised by his longevity and his greatness? Yes. You know, I really, I didn't think at some point I'd be the second best Drew to play quarterback in the NFL.

Hopefully I'm at least still in the top two or three. But yeah, you know, you look at Drew coming in. He's undersized. You know, he put up big numbers. You know, to have him now is the NFL's all-time leading passer and to see him do it as well as he's done it for as long as he has, I don't think anybody would have predicted that. But man, it's been fun to watch.

I mean, I love watching him play. He and Sean Peyton are a match maiden. Haven't had Sean Payton for one year in Dallas. He's an exceptional play caller and he's got a great trigger man. But then beyond that, you know, you look at what Drew, who he is, and that makes it even more fun to cheer for him. You know, he's so great for that community, so great for the team, and he's done all of it right. So, man, it's fun, man.

I still love watching great quarterbacks play, and that was a really fun game to watch yesterday. By the way, Seahawks played the Chargers. That was, the Chargers are stacked. Russell Wilson's remarkable. I got to tell you something. I watch Philip Rivers, and I don't know how you view him. He's got that quirky delivery. He's barking at guys on the field.

There are so many things about him. He is so unique. You know, Drew, he may be the best quarterback we've never paid any attention to him my life. I mean, when you watch him, what do you see? Yeah, absolutely. No, he has been so good for so long. He's never missed a start. Just shows up and goes to work.

He's a good leader for that organization. And it looks like they've got a team around him now. I mean, they've got some weapons. They're running the ball a little bit. They're playing good defense. And they've been flying under the radar. For some reason, nobody's paying attention to the Chargers, and they've been able to just kind of sneak through. They're going to be in the mix at the end.

I mean, they look really, really solid, and it's fun for Philip, though, too. I mean, he's been just grinding away, playing good football for a long time, and now it looks like they've put a team around him to give him a chance. Well, I love Philip, Breeze, Brady. I love these older guys. Their careers are extended. There's more three-step drops. They don't get smashed.

That's the way career should end. For the record, you played at Washington State. You're their greatest player of all time. You wouldn't say that, but you are. Your son's now playing football. Your cougars are, and I struggle to say this because I grew up a husky, are eighth in the country. No, wait. You are, yeah, you're eighth in the country.

I'll give you a minute here of love for the team I grew up hating, but you're right now at Washington State. You have shocked the world. You know what? It's really fun. So we've got a really great quarterback that transferred in, this Gardner Menshoe with his mustache. And he's all of a sudden gone from a guy that was considering just going to Alabama and starting his coaching career. Now he's in the Heisman conversation.

Got weapons all over the field offensively. But the biggest surprise this year, we're playing great defense. And it's fun. All of a sudden, you know, you come up here to Pullman's a unique place. And the Coogs are playing great football. So, you know, I think it would be a real stretch. There might need to be a plane crash or two. for us to get into the playoffs.

But we're certainly looking like if we keep winning, we're going to be in a pretty good bowl game at the end of the year. Well, he's got a winery. It's called Doubleback Winery in Walla Walla, Washington, a beautiful part of the country. It is a world-class winery. Drew, we always appreciate you stopping by and give it us your insight. Thanks, man.

All right, Colin. Always good to talk to you, buddy. All right, good to talk to you. Yeah, Wazoo's a shocker in college football. You know, it is interesting. You start looking. So Big Ben's old, still looks great. Philip Rivers old looks great. Bree's old is on fire. Brady old and looks great. And then Eli

Manning's old and doesn't look great. Well, maybe it's just time to redefine what old is. Yeah. No, no, no. It's a really good point. Is that it's not a coincidence that Roger Federer is like still great and that Mayweather can still fight and LeBron is still great. And medical advances, nutrition, And it used to be, I mean, if you saw 36 with a quarterback, you're like, oh, it's time. It's over. I watched Breeze yesterday. I got to be honest with you. He looked better than any quarterback I saw yesterday.

He looked better than Ben, Brady, Rogers. We're not paying attention to Drew Breeze. I said this before. You all want to tell me that Rogers is better than Brady. I'm not sure Rogers is better than Drew Breeze. The guy is insane. The Rams couldn't get him off the field. Every time.

Every time they needed a stop. They can't get it. And he's doing it with kids? Yes. Oh, my God. I'm telling you, Drew Breeze is amazing. Coming up next, it's a Monday where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, and there is plenty of both. Mike Vick, Trent Dilfer, Chris Brousard, hour two coming up.

Hour two, this is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Monday. It is great to be in here. Tonight the Dallas Cowboys play. So I think fairly fascinating because the AFC, I think there's one playoff spot left. I'll take the Colts at 3 and 5 to emerge. NFC defines parity.

I think tonight, if Dallas off a by can't win, they're in big trouble. especially with Amari Cooper. So we do it every week at this time on Mondays, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong in the last week, here we go. Where Colin was right? Another winning week for the Blazing Five. Chargers, we liked him on the road.

Vikings, Patriots, we liked him at home. 60% plus this year. And it was a rough week. By the way, we have the Titans plus the points tonight. Dallas wins, but we'll take the five, five and a half with Tennessee. I told the staff going in, this was the least confident I was all year. There was a lot of wild line movement. I struggled until Friday morning to figure out who I liked in these games,

but we're three and one winning a game, heading into the Titans plus the points tonight. Where Colin was wrong. Cam Newton, I didn't think he was coachable at this point in his career. He had the money, the fame, the commercials, the MVP. He has been incredibly. coachable. He's not the MVP. He's the MVC, the most valuable cam. Precision and accuracy have never been better. Only four picks, 67% completion rate. Listen, he's a guy that has always sort of done his own

thing and sometimes to the peril of the rest of his teammates. But at this point in his career, with a pile of money and an MVP in this division, which is really good, to step back, take the coaching, And elevate his game to another level is really, really impressive. They are fun to watch. Where Colin was right? Well, in September, there were still many media members making Jim Harbaugh-Bah Brady-Hoke comparisons. And I said, what are you doing? Jim Harbaugh is now 4-4 for 4, San Diego, Stanford, 49ers to the Super Bowl, Michigan.

they are easily the best team in the Big Ten. By the way, Nick Saban's fourth year at Alabama, he had a title, but he lost three games and should have lost four. These turnaround jobs at traditional powers are not easy. They're not easy. And he took over a losing culture, and they didn't have great defensive talent. And right now, defensively, they're in the Clemson class.

They're in the Bama class. Now, I don't think they're as good as those two teams. But once again, the media went bananas in September, bailing on Harbaugh, and we doubled down on him, and we were right. Where Colin was wrong. The Lakers forward, Brandon Ingram. It's year three, dude. This is the step-up year.

I thought we would be able to see very quickly he was LeBron's number two. His points are down. He's got no dog in him. he's a great tease, a good quarter followed by a bad one. He's shooting three-point percentages down, and I can tell you, the Lakers are frustrated. He feels like, in fact, the odd man out. Kyle Kuzma, a much less heralded draft pick and player, is more offensively explosive and more dependable.

He has simply not been what I project that he would be. Now, it's early, but he just disappears. he looks like the odd man out. Where Colin was right? Didn't buy into Matt Patricia as a head coach in the NFL. I said he's one of those guys that's really smart, but he looks, sounds, and acts like an assistant. And last week, as his team now appears to have just mailed it in,

they weren't competitive this weekend, they weren't competitive at home last week against Seattle. He spent last week lecturing the media on posture. Give me a favor. Just kind of sit up and just like have a little respect for the process. Every day you come and ask me questions and you just kind of like, you know, give me this. But I mean, like just to be a little respectful. I'm asking just to be a little respectful in this whole process, okay?

So ask me a question professionally and I'll answer it for you. I don't think he should be lecturing people on professional. I mean, this is a guy that wore his hat on backwards. His first coaching game, Monday night football at home. Three and five. Locker room looks lost. he is what we thought he was. Where Colin was wrong.

Todd Bowles and Sam Darnold love him both. They have regressed badly. Listen, the offensive line with the Jets, they can't snap the ball consistently. It's a bad team. All their best players are on defense. But Darnold's regressed. His accuracy is getting worse.

Bulls, who I've said is the best coach with a losing record in the NFL, either doesn't trust Darnold or doesn't have. a clever offensive bone in his body because Miami was there for the taking yesterday. It was, we've moved past Brock Tober to Brock Vember and he wasn't good. And Adam Gase was on the sideline during the games trying to figure out a play that would work for Miami.

Darnold struggled. He looked lost and the jets are a mess. Where Colin was right. Said from day one, Chargers may, outside of field goal kicker. They may have a better roster than the Rams, and after yesterday, I'll stay with that. First of all, their pass rush is better than the Rams. Their wide receiving core, believe it or not, is better than the Rams. I think it's the best in football.

Their running back, Melvin Gordon is the best running back in the AFC. And unlike the Rams, they actually have a shutdown corner. Outside a field goal kicker, this may be the best roster in the league. They're 15 and 5 since Week 5 last year with their losses at Jacksonville, at the Rams. at New England, at Kansas City, and they can't meet the Chiefs. They are, oh, by the way, they just cut their kicker, Caleb Sturgis. If you watch that game yesterday, that is the least surprising thing in the NFL. The Chargers just cut their kicker, which is the only weakness that football team has.

People say, well, you just like them because you're in Los Angeles. Watch the Vegas lines. They went on the road and dominated Seattle for three and a half hours. Forget that score. It was not that close. Where Colin was wrong. I never buy into the We the North thing for the Raptors, but they've already beaten the Celtics. They're 7-0 with Kauai Leonard.

Last night they didn't play them. And they took a 41 to 10 lead on a Laker team that had been in every game. Listen, man, they're deep, they're physical, they grind. I got to give them credit. When they beat the Celtics earlier this year, I was. like, well, I watched them play the Sixers the other night. Wasn't close. Was not competitive.

Toronto, I don't know how they're going to do in June, but they have not missed a beat. In fact, with Kauai, they look better than last year. Where Colin was right? John Gruden's now 1 and 7, and it appeared on Thursday night, they quit. It appears they quit. In fact, I know I'm right when people on the street now are coming. coming up to me every day at the gas station or at restaurants saying, man, you were right about John Gruden.

Listen, it was fairly easy. How can you be out of anything for 10 years just on the periphery of it and not like erode? Football changes too much. It's like, you know, I always compare it to Silicon Valley. Every two years, it switches. I don't think he relates to players. I don't think he understands the power now of players. And frankly, Jack Del Rio,

and you can't even argue this, got the best out of Derek Carr. Derek Carr doesn't look the same. The fact that people are saying they should trade Derek Carr, are you kidding me? Derek Carr two years ago with Del Rio, we were saying it was a top 10 quarterback. Where Colin was wrong.

This Josh Gordon, New England thing, is working, and I didn't buy into it at all. I said, listen, he's not a trustable guy. I know he's talented, but there have been four wide receivers traded so far in the NFL joy. New England got the best one and gave out the least. He had 10 targets yesterday, and that's the key. With Brady, it's not just the connections.

How often is Tom Brady targeting you? And in the biggest game of the year on Sunday night football, he was looking regularly for Josh Gordon downfield. That tells you that Brady's, trust level is through the roof with him. And Josh, we always do we add talent. This has been way more productive than I would have predicted. Where Colin was right.

Finally, Nick Saban against LSU, rinse and repeat. As predicted, they all look the same. 29-0. LSU, which has NFL bodies everywhere, is never as well coached as Alabama. they can't score because they can't get the quarterback position right. I think LSU's been shut out four times in the last decade by one team. Alabama. When these two teams play, I said it Friday, two touchdowns or more.

Alabama will pull away. It will look competitive for a half because LSU is an NFL factory. That defense has nothing but Sunday guys. But in the end, Sabin and Orgeron, it is a complete and utter coaching. mismatch, Alabama, no trouble, the last hour and a half of that football game with LSU. Good stuff. Michael Vick is coming up next. His thoughts on what he saw last night. And what he saw from a guy he faced multiple times, Drew Brees. Michael Vick, then later, Chris Broussard and Trent Dilfer, not even halfway home on a Monday.

Thursday night football returns this week with a battle of NFL heavy. He waits as Cam Newton and Christian McCaffrey in the Panthers battle Big Ben, Antonio Brown, and the Steelers. It all starts at 730 Eastern on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video. Of all the good teams in the NFL, Carolina, I don't think goes over the top and deep as well as the other teams, and I wonder about that. And for their next five are on the road. So this is a huge game for Carolina because they're always sneaky good at home for their next five are on the road. And Pittsburgh in mid-November is a hard place to play. So Carolina's the schedules kind of work to their advantage a little bit, a lot of home games.

But now you've got to start going on the road, warm weather team, colder weather, that's all coming up. 13 years in the NFL, four times a pro bowler, love having them on our show on Mondays. Let's bring in Michael Vic right now. Comeback player of the year in 2010, number one overall by the Falcons 17 years ago, most rushing yards for a quarterback of all time over 6,000. and, you know, that stuff. So Aaron Rogers, I can see his frustration. I watched all these quarterbacks. You can see him roll his eyes.

You can see him be exasperated. How do you solve it? Well, it's been the same look for the last two, three years for Aaron. Right. So it's like, where do you go from here? And Aaron has hit a lot of blemishes for this team over the past couple years. And it's time for him to get some help. Like, you look at the New England Patriots, and they went out and got Josh Gordon.

It could have easily been... The Green Bay Packers. Right. Just somebody to come in and give Aaron Rogers some help. He can't continue to do it all on his own. I won't say that because he do have some players around him. Devonnie Adams is a good player. Yeah, Devonty Adams is a good player.

The kid stepped up last night at Receiver Jones. Yeah, no, they've got some help. I will say this. Did you ever go to the general manager and say, or a scout? I mean, should Aaron do that? Yes, I think he should be more vocal. there were times when I was in Philadelphia where I used to go to Harry Roseman

and say, Howard, what'd you think about bringing in the cornerback? And next thing you know, we get Asimwa. And I thought that was great because now they're listening to me. Andy used to call me and look, we're thinking about bringing in certain guys, Dominique Rogers, Kamadi, and, you know, it was just various guys. But as a quarterback, you have to go into a general manager's office

and say, look, this is what I'm thinking because you don't always see how to ask. And what they might think they're doing is best for the team might not be best for the offensive side of the ball or the defensive side of the ball. Sometimes it creates a little confusion. Like last night, Green Bay had a fumble and then there was the roughing the kicker call, which I didn't think it was terrible call, but a lot of people didn't like it. When I look at Green Bay, I look at the Chargers talent and the Saints talent and the Rams talent and the Eagles. Green Bay feels like to me they have to play more perfect to win. Yeah, they do.

And it's all predicated on Aaron. You know, I think you mentioned the New Orleans Saints, where they got, you know, Mark Ingram and they got Alvin Camara. Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas. I mean, Aaron, he has Devonte Adams, but I don't even know the name of the running back. And excuse me for my ignorance because I should know,

but he's not a marquee player. When is Aaron Rogers head a marquee running back behind him where he can hand it off to him and the guy goes for 150 yards on any given week. He just don't get that. We always talk about the importance of the running game. So, you know, their scouts, their general manager has to take a step back and look at what he's worked with over the past couple years and say, okay, it's time for me to get him another receiver that can compliment Devonte Adams.

It's time to bring in another running back. It's time to go out and get a guy on the defensive side of the ball like a Khalil Mack who can be a game-changing. You know, these things have to happen. Other than that, we'll see Aaron Rogers continue to... In big games. Just, you know, struggle at times. Things will work, you know, up into a certain juncture of the game. And last night it was a fumble that pretty much decided the outcome of the game.

And unfortunately for Aaron, I think he had did enough in that game to put them in a position to win. It was just the players around them, you know, failed him again. And that was kind of deflating. When you look at Brady, I don't know how many times you've felt. face Tom, are you at least a little bit surprised that he looks the same as he did seven years ago? I mean, if you put this tape in and I had traveled to, I to wherever, I went to Kenya for 10 years and you threw a tape in. I went to Australia for 10 years. I went to New Zealand. I didn't watch any NFL. Yeah. And you said, here's a tape of Tom. And I'd be like, oh, what year is it? And you'd be like,

oh, no, that was last Sunday. I'd be like, wait a minute. I don't understand. When you watch him, It's the same guy seven years ago, right? That was going to be my point. The Tom Brady of 2018 looks like the Tom Brady from 2006 or 2010 or 2012. It's all about efficiency. Everything that they do always works. They might have a blemish or two early in the season where they lose a game, drop a game, won a couple, lost two in a row.

And then, you know, we all started to think that, look, is this the end for Tom Brady and the New England Patriots? And then they rip off six or seven straight. And then they do it with guys who you may have never heard of or guys who are starting to make a name for themselves. Or they just put guys in position where they become superstars, you know, for that franchise. And that's the remarkable part about Bill Belichick and the system. And Tom, they know how to use guys and put them in positions to win.

And every year, it's always somebody different. You ever have a buddy that played for the Patriots? Patrick Chung. Oh, I know, Patrick. What did he say? Well, he came over to Philadelphia for a year, spent a year with us. And the only thing he was telling me was, I got to get back to New England. And he went back to New England and next year won a couple of Super Bowls.

And I'm saying to myself, Patrick was right. Everything that he said he would go back and do or the team would be able to accomplish, they accomplished. And he knew it was a different culture in Philadelphia at the time. No, it wasn't the same when you were there. Now, it's different now. Yes. With the guys. So you face Drew Breeze a couple times.

Yeah. It's hard to win in New Orleans. You know, Drew and you are actually about the same size, about 217 pounds. You're about 6 feet one. When I look at Drew, first of all, I think he ran for a first down yesterday. He's always been a little better athlete than we give him credit for. You know, this idea. He's pretty athletic.

He snuck one in yesterday. Yeah, he's stuck one in. Yeah, he's stuck one in. Yeah. I just think. accuracy. I just think of the way he throws a ball. When you would be on the field with Drew, what struck you?

His ability to just keep the chains moving. If you don't put pressure on Drew, it's going to be a tough game. It's like 7 on 7 all over again. And then, you know, over the years he's had Marcus Colston and now he's got Michael Thomas. He always has one

big time dude. He always got one guy that is the focal point of the offense and then a couple guys that But, you know, he just gets the ball too. They make plays at the right time. But Drew is so efficient, man. He's so smart. And the offense never looks the same.

You know, you got guys crossing. You got guys running deep. You got screens. That's what they do really, really well to set up everything else that the offense does. But, you know, Drew continues to just get better and better each and every year. And just like Tom Brady, the father of time hasn't caught up with him yet. and I can easily see this guy playing another three or four years. He's that good.

And he does the right things with his body, keeps itself in shape. He eats right. And he loves the game of football. He loves it. Drew loves it. And breathes it. So that's a big reason for his all his success. So we're talking about this.

Joy, do you like celebrations? I love celebrations. Okay, you like celebrations. Can we celebrate today? Well, I mean, the NFL celebrations. I'm not a big fan of them. But I do get why the league is allowing it because it gets it's on Instagram. and the kids like it, and it's fun.

I mean, entertainment. Did Michael Thomas here by planting phones? Was that a little over the... Yeah, I think so, man, because Joe Horn had already pulled that one out there had. Unless he was just trying to... Did Shannon?

Did Shannon do that? He got to get Shannon Sharp credit. He did it? Well, he didn't have the actual phone. He did it first. Yeah, well, first of all. And then Joe Horn opted by getting the actual phone. Okay, so I can understand Joe Horn

pulling out a flip phone back in the day. Right. But in 2018, look, Michael Thomas, you're going to do a do it right. Pull out an iPhone or a galaxy or something. Don't pull out a flip phone. That's the first thing. That's how I knew it was pretty. It's a good prop.

It's a good prop. But listen. But here's what's funny. When I watch this play, if a quarterback did that, we'd crush them. Yes. It seems more, it's fun when a crazy wild wide receiver does it. Like a wide receiver, we're like, but just ask yourself, if whoever it is, Russell Wilson, Andrew Lai.

Yeah. Eli Manning, although he can't run. If they got into the end zone and they went to the phone, you would think, dude, what are you doing? Yeah. You're wasting time on a phone. Unless he did it at the end of the game when the game is out of reach. And look, he went out and threw for 300 plus yards and four touchdowns.

Then it's justifiable. Still out of the character of a quarterback, but you can be justified. Yeah. So Dallas, Tennessee tonight, is there either team you like? I like Dallas in this game. the fact that the Cowboys have added Amari Cooper, I think that's what they've needed. How long, Michael, when you add a receiver, go back to your career. Yeah.

Now, the good news was the Cowboys got to buy and they're at home. So you haven't wasted a day in travel. Right. How long does it take you in practice to feel like, okay, I'm under pressure. I'm going to throw it to a spot and he'll be there. It's going to take some time. That could take up until about a month. Really?

Yeah. I mean, because timing is everything. He has to be able to understand, like, all the details and nuances of the offense. Like, you know, instead of running a comeback route at 18, they might run them shorter at 15. And then he got to adjust to his steps and know when the quarterback is going to release the ball. And, you know, got to know when they look for the ball. So it's a lot of variables that come into play. What was your best relationship in your whole career?

What was your best relationship with a receiver where you really felt like, was it Roddy White? No, I think it was me and Deshawn Jackson. Now, why? Because I had to adjust to Deshawn's speed. He was so fast and I had a strong arm, so it didn't always time up. So when it came to throwing the deep end cuts

and the comeback routes, we struggled. Throwing the deeper balls, it was fairly easy because my arm's shirt up to him. Yeah, he'd catch up to it. So I can pretty much put. anywhere on the field. So we worked extremely hard trying to get on the same page as far as all the intermediate routes and the possession routes so that he could be effective, you know, throughout the course of the game. Before practice, after practice. Before and after

practice. Just grinding every day. Yes, yes. And as much as I could throw it to him in practice, whether we was going against a scout team look or just our defense, I tried to target him as much as I could just to make sure that I was on the same page. Jeremy Macon was a little easier to throw to because he ran good routes. Deshawn ran good routes too, but Lackling speed. Well, Deshawn speed was so great. He probably didn't have to be as good a route runner.

You know, the faster a dude is, the less precise sometimes he is. More fear he puts into a cornerback where he can push him and then he can almost do anything he want to do to him once he gets to the top of his route. Good seeing you, Michael. Good seeing you. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, you mentioned that you were wrong about Cam. Yeah. The Panthers have a full-on offensive revolution occurring in Charlottets against the bucks yesterday. The Panthers rattled off a franchise record 35 first half points, including five consecutive touchdown drives. That is a lot of points in high school would have.

That is a lot of points in the NFL. It's very impressive. So here's Ron Rivera and Cam Noon on the offense. On the offensive side, I think the biggest thing when you look at it is that we use the right kind of guys. Norve, as far as creating things and putting things together, we're taking advantage of those types of guys, and we're putting them in position. You know, when it's clicking, it's clicking.

But as far as the talent level on this team, it's extremely scary, and we possess a lot of different good matchups in our favor. Looks like he's thinned down a little bit. It's really impressive what's going on here. And it also, I think, shows you the importance of having a very strong offensive mind in today's version of the NFL. Yeah, I've never bought, you know, never bought that Cam doesn't have help. They've got good, they have had a pro bowlers on the O line.

McCaffrey's good. Greg Olson, probably going to be a borderline Hall of Famer. Samuel can play. I don't, I've never bought into the he doesn't have anything to work with. I do think, Joy, Cam is just different. And so, I mean, if you traded for a player and he came to Cam's offense, you'd have to learn it in, you know, I mean, if you went to Rogers from Breeze, there's some similarities in the way they play. Cam's just plays the position differently. Yeah, but also, there may be some similarities in the way that they play, but do you think that Drew Breeze would be as successful if he was playing in Green Bay

as opposed to playing in a dome all the time? I don't know. Like, there's a lot of questions in that. I think where we get lost is saying that each individual athlete, just because they play a specific position, can just be put into any system and be successful. Everyone's different. Everyone has different attributes to them.

Cam Newton is a huge quarterback who's had some issues with accuracy. Put an offense around him. that makes it work for him. Yeah. Why does everything have to be this cookie cutter machine? Make things, put things in place that works for him. In the red zone at the four yard line, I always think that's cam strength. Like four yard line red zone.

I, you can't defend him. I mean, he's literally bigger than defensive ends. He's a better athlete. That's one of the things where if they, they can sometimes struggle in between the 20s. When they get down to that red zone, I don't want any part of having to face cam. No, it's really impressive what they've been doing. Not so impressive. The New York Jets. They lost their third straight game yesterday. Sam Darnold was pretty bad and a 13 to 6 lost Dolphins through four interceptions, including its pick six. Yeah.

But it was actually the only touchdown of the game. Here's Darnold after his brutal performance. Yeah, he was brutal. There's no excuse for, you know, how I played out there. I mean, I got to play better. Just got to be sharper. I just got to go out there with a little bit, you know, not, you know, I think personally I have to have a better plan. Once I get to the line of scrimmage, I just got to know exactly where to go with the ball. If one or two is not there, go to three. So it's got to have a better plan. He looks so young yesterday.

I mean, first of all, he is young. I mean, he's two years younger than Baker, and they don't have anything to work with. But yet, here's my concern. I predicted before the year. He's going to have 18 picks. He's going to be all over the map. He's going to be over his head because they have bad old line.

Yesterday, though, he was far worse than a month ago, and that's what worries me. I know Jets fans are a little worried also. They're kind of starting to throw the market. Sanchez comparisons out there. Oh, boy. No, he's not Mark Sanchez. No, I think it's way too early to panic in this situation. By the way, Troy Aikman was 1 in 15 his first year. I don't like flipping out about rookie quarterbacks. It's really stupid.

Look at Jared Goff. Okay, Jared Goff is in the MVP conversation. He was because he got the right coach and the right system around it. And he was worse than all these rookies his first year. Everyone was calling a bus. It was a disaster. It was the worst pick in NFL history. And now they're Super Bowl balances. Everyone's showing the rookie quarterback. I mean, it was bad. I think all it was bad

Yeah But you can only go up from here How about that? Be positive Finally Let's go back to last week When Matt Patricia was in the middle of speaking with the press

As he and NFL Other NFL coaches Other NFL coaches do And he had this exchange With the reporter Who asked him about the Golden Tate trade Yeah Do me a favor

Just kind of sit up And just like Have a little respect for the process Every day you come and ask me questions And you just kind of like You know give me this But I mean just to be a little respect But I'm asking just to be a little respectful

in this whole process, okay? So ask me a question professionally, and I'll answer it for you. Well, the Lions lost to the Vikings yesterday, and the Detroit News put this headline across the sports page, clearly firing a shot. And unfortunately, when you come at someone like that, you better come correct, and they did not. You know the thing that worries me, it's not losing the last two weeks, joy, the Lions haven't competed. They were never competitive in this game.

They were never competitive against Seattle. you can lose all day long in this league. I mean, the bears have lost a bunch of heartbreakers. Miami's lost. But the last two weeks with Detroit, they're not as bad as Oakland, but they look a little like Oakland. I mean, it sounds silly because it's really all about wins and losses, but how you lose matters. You know, you want to make progress if you're going to be losing lots of games. And that was just, I was bad.

And you're not helping the situation when you do things like that. I know, like you said, go up to the podium with a plan. You can't fire a shot about the way that somebody's sitting in a chair and then... Not when you're three and four. Maybe if you're 7 and 0. Bad. I enjoy the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. By the way, I said earlier, the AFC is... I feel like it's set. Patriot, Steelers, Texans, chiefs are going to win their division. Chargers are one of the two playoff teams. my guess is Andrew Luck and the Colts become the second wildcard team. The NFC, good luck. I think Dallas losing tonight going to three and five, I'd scratch them off the list.

I think it's a big game for them. I have no idea. There are 11 teams with a shot to get to the playoffs for six spots. There's only five teams I know won't be in the playoffs, the Giants, the Lions, the Bucks, Arizona, and San Francisco. I kind of, when I look at the NFC, I kind of look at Saints Rams, easily too best. Philly, Carolina, good, but I'm not sure that close. And then Green Bay, Minnesota, Chicago, Dallas, Washington, Atlanta, Seattle, others receiving votes. Now, the AFC, the haves and the have-nots, there is a massive gap.

In the NFC, there's a handful of awful, two really great teams. man, there is a ton in the middle. I think Dallas tonight loses tonight off a buy with Amari Cooper. You can scratch them off the list. They won't recover. Big game for the Cowboys tonight. Chris Broussard's around the corner. People are freaking out in Lakerland.

Luke Walton's job in trouble shouldn't be. It is Chris Broussard neck. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. I know he's our NBA guy, but actually he's got a radio show with Parker. You love football. Football is my favorite sport. No, no. You played football.

You love football. So when you're watching the Patriots last night, you just said something to me during the break about Aaron Rogers and Brady. Go ahead. Well, I love Aaron Rogers. And I've always said, even though he's not in a goat conversation because he hadn't won enough, he might be the best we've ever seen play the position. But you know what? I just got to admit it.

Brady's better. Period. It's the intangibles. He might not have the arm or the accuracy or all the things Rogers has, the mobility. But he has the intangibles to such a high level that Rogers just doesn't have them. And Brady is better, period. Last night, he didn't have the weapons that Rogers had. By the way, Jimmy Graham, they didn't have Gronk.

He had Jimmy Graham. Right. And this is why. I've always said that Brady's the goat for the last few years. Over the course of his career, he has not had the weapons that even a Joe Montana had

with Jerry Rice. Now, he had Randy Moss for what, two or three years? About a year and a half where Randy was dialed in. Right, right. And it was a light show. Right, he broke all the records. Right. So if he had had a Randy Moss or a Hall of Fame receiver like that for his career,

oh my gosh, it'd be crazy. So Brady's better, period. What was the other thing I was going to, what else were we talking about football? Leveon Bell. This was interesting. I don't like to ever see pro athletes give up money. I agree. I don't, A, you don't get it back.

I'm watching James Conner this weekend, and I'm thinking what you're thinking. Look, I get why Leveon held out. They only guaranteeing, what, 10 million? So I get why he's upset and he held out. But James Connor is making you look at, other teams look at it like, if I've got a great offensive line or really good offensive line, I can find a really productive running back. Now, I would want LaVian Bell if I'm another team,

but not at Todd Gurley money. He's not getting that type of money. You'd be crazy to give him that type of money when, how long have we seen running backs have great four or five years stretches, and then that's it. So he's had a great stretch, but am I guaranteed that if he comes to my team, he's going to be the La Vian bell I saw in Pittsburgh.

Oh, by the way, James Connor is averaging more yards per carry. It's destroying Levian stats. Touchdown wise all that. Listen, listen, it's a gamble, right? You're the one that told me a couple weeks ago. It's funny. In the NFL you hold out, in the NBA, you act out. I got to tell you something.

I don't like either. I don't like what Jimmy Butler's doing. And Lavian came on our show one time. He was so bubbly, so fun. He made me want to root for him. He gave up $8 million. And I'm telling you, Todd Gurley got a lot of that money. You know why Todd Gurley got it?

Not only is a great back. He's a great dude. Right. Some of this Labian stuff is failed drug test. No question. No question. Gurley is maybe the best guy. I mean, the Rams between Donald Gurley and Gough. And you know what else about Gurley?

He's at the beginning of that five, six-year stretch, right? He doesn't have the wear and tear that Levion has on him. So look, I hope he gets paid because, as you say, I like him and he's a great running back. But in today's NFL, I would not break the bank for a running back at this stage of his career when I know I can go out and get another one. And even if I have a great running back, that's not the critical position that I need. Okay, let's go to the Lakers. Story breaks last week that Joy and I, I refuse to partake in the story.

Joy broke the story and I wouldn't even listen to her. Luke Walton's in trouble. And my takeaway is, oh, good God. Outside of the Toronto game, they beat the crappy teams, they compete with the good teams. Fill me in on this. I don't get it. Here's the thing. We know some of the details leaked about the meeting.

Magic's wondering, what are we doing on offense? Their half-court offense is a mess. Now, let me be the first to say, Luke is in an incredibly difficult position. Why? He was brought in to develop young guys, right? He didn't really have to do anything in Golden State when he had that little 30-run stretch as a head coach. He comes in here. He's brought in to develop young guys.

All of a sudden, LeBron James is dropped in your lap and Lance Stevenson, Rajan Rondo, all on one-year deals. So here's Luke's job, and this is what Magic's looking at. Develop the young guys and see who can play with LeBron and who's a keeper for the future. When now, to a certain degree, like we definitely. we better make the playoffs, and we'd like to get to the second round or something like that, and then create a culture that is going to attract another superstar free agent. And that's where Luke could be in trouble. If it gets to a point and they start losing and the hole gets so big that you really start to question,

are we going to make the playoffs? And then secondly, are we creating a culture? If it just looks like a season full of dysfunction, and we don't know what we're doing, is that going to attract a Kauai Leonard or any other free agent? And that's the problem. If it gets to that point, that's when Luke could be in trouble. Okay, let me defend Luke Walton.

Brandon Ingram has been a disappointment. I whiffed on it. I thought he was going to be, I thought he would establish himself as the number two. This morning, I like Kuzma more. He's the world's biggest tease. He looks like Durant. He has moments he plays like Durant for like six-minute stretch.

And then he's not Kevin Durant. Like Doug Gottlieb and I were talking about this here a day. He'll have these six-minute stretches where you're like, okay, he's a poor man's Duran. You know, you'd be like, oh, oh, that. And then he disappeared. Poor man's pippin. He can bring the ball up. He's long.

He can pass. Some of this. If Brandon had established himself, LeBron had a two, it would feel like they've got a direction. Yeah, look, you're right in that they have been in all these games and had a chance to win. Except last night. Yeah. But like I said, the defense is a joke. And you're right.

The defense all over the league is a joke. However, relative to your era, you have to be one of the top, or at least a good defensive team. You look at the top of the defensive standings right now or rankings. It's Toronto. It's Golden State. It's Milwaukee. Good teams that are really good. So you have to play a certain modicum of defense.

And then offensively, they want to push, right? Run, run, run, run. But LeBron, that's not LeBron's game. LeBron's teams have always been lower or middle of the road. in terms of pace. And the young guys, when they run, when it's not there, then the half-court offense is a mess. So that stuff you do put on Luke, again, tough job.

Because you got veterans, are they going to listen to you? Do they think they know more than you? All that. However, that's what you, that's the position you're in. And remember, again, he's not magic and Rob Polinka's guy. whenever a front office comes in and they didn't hire you, it's going to be tough. I don't like that. So I'm not saying he's about to get fired.

I'm just saying those are all factors in this situation. What about Ty Lou? Ty Lou. Somebody mentioned to me, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson. You know, look, the Lakers haven't contacted any of these people. All right. I know that for a fact. But these are names that people have thrown out to me if Luke takes the fall.

And if it gets bad, we all know he's going to be the scapegoat fairly or unfairly. No, you're right. You know, it's not going to be the front office. It's not going to be the players, right? Somebody's getting traded at the deadline. And my takeaway is 15 more Brandon Ingraham disappearing acts. And I think LeBron goes to them and says, he ain't the guy. Because you know what?

One thing LeBron doesn't like. LeBron likes a little dog. Like he didn't want to play with Andrew Wiggins. He had no interest. If LeBron does it, LeBron can live with your flaws, but if you don't have a little dog in you, LeBron's out. Here's the other thing with the Brown. 30 seconds.

If you watch him, does he look a little disengaged at times? He does. Mentally, he said, it's going to take time. Let me be patient. However, he is disgusted by bad basketball, just instinctively. Like, he's not trying to be, but when you don't know where you're supposed to be, when the space is terrible, when they're missed assignments, it just eats him up instinctively.

And that's what you see out there. Football and basketball. Chris Broussard, hour three next. Ah, hour three. Here we go. This is the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1.

We are live, Hour 3 in Los Angeles. Joy Taylor is joining me. Drew Bledso, Michael Vick, Chris Broussard. Broussard actually is a great football guy. Loves football. Trent Dilfer in 15 minutes comes on Monday's love Trent. Again, Trent just expands my tiny brain and I get I'm a sponge when he comes on the show so we'll talk about a lot of different

stuff and it's been a fun show on a Monday what it it Cowboys Titans tonight and later in the show we're going to do something we're going to start doing something for the next 12 or 13 weeks it's our three word game with every NFL game can you sum them up briefly and I think we had a very unique weekend so we'll do that so that's best for last later but um we were all so excited last night for the Patriots against the Green Bay Packers. Sunday night football. Packers Patriots. So let me get to it.

Last night I was going to see the great Aaron Rogers and the system quarterback Tom Brady. And I want to talk about that system in New England. It's fascinating. The most fascinating thing about Tom Brady's system quarterback is that, you know, systems get names in basketball, the triangle offense. I mean, by the first championship, they gave it a name. In the NBA, the pick and roll offense. We love in baseball, money ball, in football, the West Coast offense, the Wildcat

offense, the wishbone offense in the 50s, 60s, 70s. Even defenses get nicknames, Joy. The 4-6 defense. We love giving nicknames to defense. Offenses, Offenses, baseball, basketball, and the NBA. But why does a New England system have a nickname? 18 years.

Been on TV more than any team except the Cowboys. I mean, Joe Montana won with the West Coast offense. And L.A. one with Mike Shanahan in offensive coaches' zone blocking scheme. It's funny, Belichick's a defensive coach. Defensive coaches don't have offensive systems, do they? and offensive systems systems in general get copied but how come nobody else in the league looks like new england you ever notice that i mean systems everybody copy the west coast offense they still do everybody copied the four six defense they still do people copy the pick and roll money ball analytics

the wildcat for two years was red hot but how come nobody nobody copies new england system it's funny. When the coordinators leave town and they go to new teams, the offense doesn't look like New England. It is so weird. People say a lot of things. Hold them to what they say. Hey, Colin, I'll tell you what the system's called. It's called Belichick. Oh, get the man of Milwaukee's best. He beat me on that one. Oh, wait, he didn't. You mean the Bill Belichick that had a losing record in Cleveland and was fired before Tom Brady? That system? The system that was 5 and 11, his first year and a half in New England, with the great Drew Bledsoe.

That system? I'll tell you what the system is calling. It's throwing to the tight end. Actually, the last three years, New England's got a better record when Gronks out. He was last night. They won convincingly. Oh, it's just throwing to slot receivers, which won? Welker, Dion Branch, Edelman, Hogan, got to a Super Bowl without Edelman last year.

In fact, New England and Tom Brady have gotten to Super Bowls with three different coordinators. They've made the playoffs three times with no offensive coordinator. In fact, this is fascinating. You could call this the headless system. They don't even need coaches for it. Let me describe New England's system under Tom Brady. They're smarter than you pre-snap. They're more precise and accurate than you.

They're always better in the fourth quarter than you. They're more prepared than you, more coachable than you, and more committed than you. If you want to call that a system, you can call it whatever you'd like. But we know, in football especially, we love to give nicknames. We don't even call them Terrell O'clock. He's T.O. Jacksonville. Overnight became Saxonville. Legion of Boom.

Everybody's got a nickname because we give systems nicknames. It's easy. The fans can embrace it. Network promos and marketing. But yet nobody has ever named New England system because it doesn't exist. Tom Brady, my friends, is the system. Let me shift to this. Yesterday during a game, that Saints Rams game, that was wildly entertaining, was it not?

Those are two great teams. Michael Thomas, great player for the Saints, scored a touchdown, and then went and grabbed a flip phone, kind of a schick he'd practiced it. In fact, yesterday I saw Seattle do a touchdown celebration that clearly they'd spent a lot of time on. I went on the Internet and saw the Kansas City Chiefs at practice, practicing celebrations. I saw Michael Thomas do his thing. I'm not really a fan of it. But the NFL, it should be noted, is not of a fan of it either.

They don't like it. It got a penalty. So that's one of the reasons I don't like it. And one of my life mottos is celebrate rarely, grind daily. I'm not a big celebration. Rather give out presents than get them at Christmas. That's okay. That's just my personality.

But the NFL makes changes more often than any other. their league, and they're always right. They changed the PAT. The coaches screamed. It's made the game more dramatic. Protect the quarterback. This is killing football. Funny. Only Garoppolo's hurt. No catch rule is now the

catch rule. And even with celebrations, many people don't like it. But you know why they do that? Because the NFL is and has always been the best run league. They want viewers. They see themselves as entertainment and a TV show. last night's Ram Saints game and last night's Packers Patriots game

will get triple the ratings of the Eastern Conference NBA finals without LeBron. Celtics, Toronto, we'll get a six and a half seven. Those things last night are getting 15s and 16s. The NFL makes rules and we always overreact. Oh, the game's too soft. We're a dress. Nobody's heard. And every rule change is right.

I don't love what Michael Thomas did. I'd prefer players don't have choreographs skits and devices lodged under goalposts. But let's talk macro here, not micro, big picture, not small picture. The NFL does this for you because they respect 17-year-olds, not 67-year-olds alone. It's what baseball continually struggles with, and it's why football will always be king in my broadcasting career. They get it. Adapt, evolve, even if, and the league is mostly run by 50 and 60-year-old guys, even if it's a little off their personal sensibility, they don't love this stuff. They really don't.

If they did, they wouldn't have changed it. But with the emergence of social media, free clicks, Facebook, Instagram, this stuff lives and plays forever. I don't love what Michael Thomas did. The league doesn't love it. His coach didn't love it. Drew Brees probably didn't love it. But I don't have to love everything to get that it's right.

It's smart. It's good business. And it's why the NFL remains king. And it's not even close. I really do. When I'm watching Brady and Rogers last night and back to my opening point, point, if Tom's such a system quarterback, why didn't the system have a name? Because New England doesn't have a system.

What they have is the greatest quarterback that's ever played. If it's such a great system, we give nicknames to everything. We name every system. We've done it for every player, every system. Why doesn't New England system have a name? Because there's no system to it. Tom's great. Belichick couldn't win without him.

Belichick couldn't win in New England with Drew Bledso. Like, Tom's great. And that's why everybody leaves. and New England's offense doesn't leave with it. They got the playbook. Josh McDaniels had the playbook. Charlie Weiss had the playbook. Bill O'Brien had the playbook.

They had all the plays. But yet they couldn't duplicate the offense. And a lot of times those guys had better receivers than New England, better tight ends, better offensive tackles. They had all the ingredients. But the cake never tasted the same. Why? Because Brady's the ingredient.

There is no system. Brady's great. Here's another thing. I saw this stat that cracks me out. up. We know Belichick's smart guy. Remember the Malcolm Butler stuff, Joy? So who could forget it? He doesn't play Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl. And everybody's like, Belichick don't know he's joy, stupid. Malcolm Butler is now a cornerback for Tennessee, quarterback ratings for quarterbacks who throw against Malcolm Butler over 140. Yeah.

Over 140. So he knew. Nate Solder evaporated. Danny Amandola, where's he at? I mean, Belichick knows what he's doing. Trent Dilfer's around the corner. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week,

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All right, I've been yamming and yammering about this all day about the system, system, system. I'm tired of hearing about the system, because generally, if it is a great system, like the Triangle offense or West Coast offense, we give it a name. Can you explain to me what the system in New England is? Well, I think what they've done over, what is it, 18 years better than anybody else,

has evolved week to week. They're a game plan system. They put together a game plan that attacks your weaknesses, allows their own players to do what they do best most often. Now, that's an easy way of saying about what's the foundation? The foundation of that is teaching and learning. They have great teachers as their coaches. They have players that are willing to learn ball every week.

They have discipline. They have work ethic. They have precision. They have poise. That's the foundation for which you can build a game plan system off of. So, yeah, I agree with you that a lot of times we can put how people play in a box with the Patriots. They never look the same. That's what makes them so hard to defend.

Now, I understand your argument that Tom Brady is the system. Well, you probably couldn't do that unless Tom Brady's your quarterback. The burden that he has to carry each week to continue to learn, even at this stage of his career, to teach the other players, to maintain the work ethic in the film room, in the weight room, on the practice field. I heard what Drew Bledso said earlier in the show, how the real genius is what he does Tuesday through Saturday. And I agree with that. But that's all, all that stuff is what allows them to have. a system that evolves and changes every week.

Now, I'm going to say something. You tell me if this is unfair, is that increasingly, when Aaron loses big games, it feels like to me more and more, I hear excuses. He's got some nice offensive pieces, and they've drafted some good players.

I watched it last night for three quarters in Foxborough. That puppy was even. I do feel like in the last couple of years, we're lining up too many excuses. Now, people will say I'm anti-Aaron. When I say that, am I over the top? How's that land for you? Well, no, I don't think it's unfair.

And I'm the most pro-Aren guy there is. I've known him since he was in college. And it's been a lot of time with Aaron. And in fact, back at your old place, when we first started doing a segment together, I was the one of to convince you there, and Rogers was going to be good. Yeah.

When it was a backup prep farm. So I'm very pro-Aren, but I agree with you. I sense that everybody has already built in an excuse for Aaron when they don't win. I feel like when they do win and he plays great, he's the reason they win. And when they don't win, he's never the reason they lost. It's always something else. I think they're plenty of talented. I don't think he needs more weapons.

My biggest thing that I wish I could see with Aaron Rogers is for him to be able to play a system, an offense that's as innovative is the Cheats or the Saints or the Rams or the Patriots where there's multiple sets, there's multiple motions, there's 10 freebies a game, as I call them, where each quarterback starts the game with 10 completions because the coach out schemes, the defense. It seems like Aaron has to work harder in game because of how static his offense is than the other great quarterback. But I don't think it's unfair. It does seem like there's a pity party around Aaron Rogers

anytime they don't win. And the national media has just kind of gone to a default mode where, oh, they lost, it wasn't Aaron's fault. Oh, they won. Aaron was the greatest player on the planet. And last night, by the way, last night, he did not play very well. Tom Brady didn't play great either. That game last

night was more about the other 88 guys on the field than the two quarterback. I didn't think either quarterback, and I bet you, they would both tell you this. It felt like they were as sharp as they needed to be. Now, Drew Breeze was sharp. Do you see it? And I say, you know, everybody always tells me Rogers is better than Brady and I'm like, I'm not sure he's better than Breeze. Breeze is so great to me and I see comparisons. When you look at Rogers and Breeze, let's go to Drew, is he completely polar opposite of Aaron? Compare the two.

Yeah, they're hard to compare because they're very different players. And again, different offenses. I think Drew at this point of his career is as precisely. He's ever been. He's always been one of the most precise guys in the league playing the position. But he's a completion first guy. He's working plays up usually, meaning low to high. He's a guy that's going to try to get the ball out of his hand as fast as he can to a great athlete, let him get those yards after the catch numbers. Where Aaron has that in his game, and when they're playing really well, that's how they attack you. But Aaron also likes to improvise. He likes to look to kind of bring the machete out and get you with one shot.

So they're very different players. I think if Aaron played, that's why he said that earlier, if Aaron played in a death by a thousand cut system like Bruce does, where you're just nicking away, nicking away, nicking away, waiting for the defense to make mistakes, then strike, I think he'd be far more successful than he's been. He's already been one of the great players in our league. So they're very hard to compare just because of how they play the game very differently.

Okay, Cowboys tonight, this is a huge win because the NFC is wide open, and Amari Cooper comes to town. So 10 days, maybe nine practices, haven't played a game together. Do you expect them to click tonight? I mean, what do you expect to see? How comfortable will they be? Go back to your career. How many practices do you need? How many, I mean, what am I going to see tonight with Amari and Dak?

Well, to truly feel that to master the offense is going to take him probably a month. But it's very important that he plays well tonight. It's very important, in my opinion, that the Cowboys showcase him tonight. There are plenty of ways to get him involved in the game that don't take a month of reps to get comfortable with. You can identify stuff that he mastered in Oakland and implement that stuff into your system in Dallas. Look what Houston do with Maris Thomas. They immediately got him involved with a spring, with a wide receiver screen. They got him running a dig route, which he did a ton of in Denver.

So they found two things that Demarius Thomas did very well in Denver and utilized it, his first time playing in Houston. The Cowboys have to do the same thing with Amari Cooper. He has to be showcased tonight. I think for the NFC East is a toss-up. And for the Cowboys, one, they have to win this game, but two, they have to win in a certain way that creates that excitement, creates that buzz around that trade. and around this Cowboys team.

And the reality of it is, your show, every other show is going to talk about the Cowboys more than any other team. So when they are on primetime, the coaching staff and the players have to be aware. It's not just about winning, but it's about how we look while we win, too.

Because we want the narratives around our team to be exciting and forward thinking and to create a real buzz around this Cowboys team. And I think the way they do that is to get Amari Cooper involved early and often. You know, it's interesting. I'm watching the Chargers, and they're so loaded. They just cut their field goal kickers today, which was not unsurprising. But they don't have a home field, really.

And they're kind of the second, clearly the second banana in the town they're in, and they just moved. When I look at their talent, you said this last week, the best running back in L.A. May not be Todd Gurley. Maybe, you know, the Charger running back. Melvin Gordon. Melvin Gordon, but here's what I wonder. They don't have a home field. They're kind of, their history.

Their history is they blow it. Does that stuff matter? Like media guys like me, but I look at the chargers and I'm like, God, I just can't trust them after Thanksgiving. And I love their personnel. Do you think players in that locker room think about that stuff too? I think that it's a danger lurking if they listen to it. And when things start going bad, the danger is that people start believing those narratives. I do think when you have a leader like Phillip Rivers, when you have veterans on that team that have been there and done it,

that they're not going to allow that stuff to takeover. In fact, I think not having a home field and playing second fiddle to the Rams in L.A. And all the things, all the doubting that goes on around their team because of past experiences can really become a rallying pride for you and develop a chip on your shoulder. and team chemistry, team dynamics are so important and they're so hard to explain sometimes. They're intangible. They're very hard to put your finger on. But great teams with great leaders typically can use that other stuff to develop a chip on their shoulders, like I said, and a rallying pride for their team. Hey, you're going to respect us with how we play, even if you don't respect us at every other level.

By the way, is there, you know, I watch the Panthers. This is the best I've ever seen, Cam. They don't have a great component over the top. It's a lot of running. He's more precise. I don't know if I put him in that Super Bowl bubble yet or not. What do you make of Carolina? I think they're very physical.

They're one of the more physical teams in league, both offensively and defensively. They're hard to defend. They're hard to prepare for because of the quarterback-driven runs with Cam. because Norve is a great innovator, Norv Turner, their offensive coordinator. They do a lot offensively, so they're hard to prepare for. And they have nice pieces.

They have pieces that fit who they are. They have explosive qualities. They're just not necessarily out on the perimeter. Their explosive qualities are their quarterback, their runner. They integrated the Samuel kid yesterday from Ohio State. He looks like he's got some explosive qualities. And then Greg Olson is, is and has been one of the best tight ends this league. scene. He's a guy that

is a sneaky big play guy and as you saw by the great catch yesterday and just his career in general has always been a guy that's been able to really strike you. So they're a dangerous football team and I think they're one of the few teams right now in the league that can play really good defense when they need to.

Yeah. They play a different style. I think you said it early. Their tape looks different than everybody else's tape and if you're not ready for it, you can get dog. Finally, I'm not a big celebration guy. I never want to be old cranky yelling at the cloud guy but i'm not a big celebration got to my DNA um joy is more into it um i get why the NFL allows it i really absolutely do and i think it's really smart

social you know instagram and all this stuff it lives forever and it gets clicks should we do do celebrate are they going overboard what do you make of it no i'm with you um i don't love it but i think it's cool that they do it now i think athletes like to express themselves themselves too. And the work week in the NFL is hard and your body hurts. And there's not a lot of fun that goes on. I think it adds levity to the week when you have these teams practicing what they're going to do. It's not taking away from their preparation. I think it allows athletes, it's hard to get the end zone. It allows them to celebrate a little bit. I agree with you. It's good that the leagues allowed it because it relates to a younger crowd. People like this stuff. I giggle sometimes.

I think it, to me, it's just not a big issue. It doesn't make me want to watch football or make me not want to watch football. I'm glad they're allowing more of it. I hope it doesn't cross a line where it becomes disrespect for and appropriate. At this point, I haven't seen that happen. And I think that's why they'll still keep their finger on a little bit, still penalized because they don't want it to go over for it and it becomes something that can be an embarrass. You know what?

I think you really nailed it. Football practice is hard. It's hard. It is. I mean, I, listen, I was a quarterback, a crappy one, but I didn't even have to hit people. I hated football practice. And you were in Tampa for a lot of your years. Then you were in Cleveland, so you were either in suffocating heat or you're in brutal, windy, cold. And I think you kind of nailed it. To keep a locker room a little light, celebrations are, it's, there's not wrong six minutes a day after practice doing this. One of the most important things you can do in an NFL locker room is find ways to add levity to.

the work week. Because again, the whole thing is hard. I think the biggest thing is your body hurts. And anybody that's ever dealt with chronic pain, you're sitting on your couch right now watching the show and you got a knee replacement or you have arthritis or whatever it is. Chronic pain makes you miserable.

And NFL players live with chronic pain. Every single day, their bodies hurt from the Sunday before. And then they have a lot pushed on them on high expectations when they go into the work week. And you have to find creative ways as coaches, as leaders on the team to kind of soften the week, let guys have some fun.

And like I said, just give them a break from the monotony and the grind of what is an NFL work week. Trent, love having you on, buddy. Great talking again. Thanks, partner. Good stuff. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. That is. Like, what we do for a living is fun. We don't tackle people. Like, if you were coming over and tackling me twice a show and Goulet was putting me in a headlock and knocking me out of bounds. You'd have a very short career, yes. Then I would be all for Goulet, spiking.

the microphone. But like when you have an easy job and you just talk we don't. Also this isn't new. These celebrations are not new. This has been in the league forever. It's been a part of the league far before social media existed. Everyone's just making a bigger deal of it now because last year there were a bunch of penalties

and everyone was complaining about the penalties because it's silly. It's been around forever. It's part of entertainment. Just don't taunt. I don't want taunting. Don't go up to a guy's face and jam a ball. No, but nobody's doing that. And it's not going to spiral into that anyway because that's not the spirit of the celebration. It's hard

to score a touchdown. It is. And fans celebrate. And every personality is different. No matter what the rules are, there's never going to be every single, Larry Fitzgerald is not going to all of a sudden turn into T.O. Like, people are who they are. There are certain guys are just going to get in the end zone and go hand the ball to the

ref and other guys are going to have celebrations. That's what they do. I feel like I learned something there. From you and Trent. When shopping for car insurance, consider Geico. 75 years, they know what they're doing. Good prices. Geico.com. Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

You know, my brother had a signature, SACC celebration. What did he do? He did not consult me on it. What? He drew a bull's eye and then he punched through it. That was this thing. Sometimes he kicked through it. So he did this?

Okay. He didn't consult me on that one. Yeah. I liked it, though. All right. So the Rams dropped their first game of the season yesterday against the Saints. Not really a big deal. Saints are a very good football team.

Excellent. John McVeigh doesn't seem to be concerned. In fact, he and defensive tackle Michael Brockers think the loss might even be a blessing in disguise. Oh, we're good. We love it. You know, you find out about yourself when you have a little bit of adversity. And I know that everybody in that locker room is going to respond the right way. Have full confidence in that, Gary. Sometimes setbacks can be set-ups for comebacks. The pressure's off, you know, no more media. We're a great team. You know, nobody can beat us. This game right here might be a blessing in disguise because, you know, the Rams. We came out. We fought back.

So you never see us fold. We're definitely, you know, scratching clawback. So this is definitely, I think, a blessing in disguise. It helps us play a little bit better. It help us play a little bit looser too. If I told you, Joy, yesterday Ram Saints, you watched the NFC championship, would you be shocked if they met again? That looks like to me.

That's who, and I don't even think it's that close, I think Philadelphia and Carolina look a little bit like them, but I think they are a touchdown or more about. better than everybody else in the NFC. Yes. They have consistency. They have great coaching. The Saints have proven that they've been there before. Absolutely. I would say I'm not going to go as far as to say the pressure's off the Rams.

No, no. That's for sure. But my opinion of the Rams does not change based off this loss. It's not a bad loss. They didn't lose to a bad team. You know what it looks like right now? Brady Drew Bree Super Bowl. Oh my God.

My head exploded. That would be the great. That would be the best since I got Russell Wilson and Brady in a Super Bowl. If I get, even Goulet, the pessimist is lighting up. If I get Brady, this morning, Brady and Breeze in the Super Bowl, I'll take it. Cancel the rest of the year. I'll take it. I'll pay my own way to go to the Super Bowl.

Just for nostalgia purposes and just in the interest of time, I would say that, that's something to root for. God, that'd be good. James would be pretty good, too. But we have some time for that. Garant golf's going to get there. No, closer to the end for Drew Breed. Yes. So I'll vote for that just because we have longer with the rest of them.

All right. So Cam Newton is having himself a year. The Panthers have a full-on offensive revolution going on. Yeah. We were just talking about it with Trent Dilfer. And they won against the bucks yesterday. They rattled off a franchise record 35 first half points. Five consecutive touchdown drives.

Here is Ron Rivera and Cam Newton on their offense. On the offensive side, I think the biggest thing when you look at it is that we, we use the right kind of guys. You know, Norve, as far as, you know, creating things and putting things together, you know, we're taking advantage of those types of guys and we're putting them in position. You know, when it's clicking, it's clicking. But as far as the talent level on this team, it's extremely scary. And we possess a lot of different good matchups in our favor.

By the way, nobody ever talks about Ron Rivera. Every Carolina team he's coached is tough. And he looks like a tough guy. All I know, you become your coach. I mean, Belichick's smart. You know, his parents were all like multiple degrees. His mom had like, you know, spoke seven languages. And his teams tend to be really smart.

I don't know Ron Rivera, but every time I watch Carolina since he's been there, you, they are ready for a fight. They are physical. They are tough. And they're consistent for the most far. Yeah, I mean, he just doesn't get mentioned. And it's like, I don't know him. But when I think of Carolina, the first thing I think of is tough, physical, pound it in your face.

Well, I don't think he gets mentioned. too much because he's a very good podium guy. He's a very good thing. He never gets in trouble. He never steps in it. Always says the right thing. He's a very good podium guy, so he probably doesn't get as much credit as he deserves. But I will say, Cam, Cam has gotten in trouble with the podium before.

Yeah. But I think the league is better when Cam Newton is winning. Oh, God, yes. He's just so dynamic. Oh, God, yes. He's really a star, and it helps the league when he's winning. He also, the thing about Cam is, this cannot be, he's good, looking dude.

Dude, he's a model. He looks like a six, six, and he dresses like a fat. He's a star. Yeah, he's a brand. He has the Superman. He has the commercials. I got nothing against Kirk Cousins. But Kirk, we can walk in this room.

Kirk does give a very good pregame speech. He gets very rowdy. Cam, leagues are better with stars. Cam Newton is a superstar. And he's always been out there even before it's now being pushed to market the stars. Finally, Lakers President Magic Johnson is standing by Luke Walden. Sort of. Before last night's loss to the Raptors, Magic told LA Times, quote,

I said it, Luke took it well, and we're all good. It's no big deal. He's going to finish the season unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So I don't know what you make of that. It's kind of like a little lukewarm endorsement there. Is drastic trailing 42 to 10 to Toronto at home? Yeah, this was before the game. Also, the sons officially agreed to a buyout of Tyson Chandler's contract, which will allow the 18-year bet to sign with the Lakers.

I like that move for the Lakers. Tyson-Chadler is a smart, very good veteran that's going to help them out a lot. They sit at 4 and 6 and are tied for the fifth worst in the Western Conference. They host Minnesota on Wednesday nights. I still maintain it's not panic time. My suggestion for the Lakers is to pick a point card. And my suggestion would be Lonzo Ball. By the way, Tyson-Channler's been in this league.

I saw him play in high school. years. I think he played at Dominguez Hills. I saw him in high school in a basketball tournament in Portland, Oregon. He had an al-Upe and he was about 16 years old. He weighed 109 pounds. 20 years later, he's still playing in the association. He's very impressive. Smart. I think he's an artist or something. He's like,

he's like coaches love Tyson Chandler. No, he's, yeah. And he's, and he's a player's guy. I mean, 18 years, you have respect in the league. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Coming up, something new. we're doing. I'll sum up every NFL game from

week nine in three words. That's next and best for last. Saturday, Dwayne Haskins and the Ohio State Buckeyes look to keep their big ten and playoff hopes alive as they enter a high-stakes showdown with Michigan State. That's Saturday at 1130 Eastern on Fox or watch anywhere on the Fox Sports app.

Ohio State's a mess. Off a buy, they struggled against Nebraska. That program is broken. I don't know if they have too many NFL guys on the team and they're looking ahead to Sunday. They are, you know, Urban Meyer at Florida and Urban Meyer at Ohio State. The knock I always heard on Urban Meyer was, he was too loose. He was like the easy, you know, ice cream for breakfast parent and programs unravel. He's very good. People buy into it. They're a mess.

Ohio State's a broken program. If they played Michigan this afternoon, they get beat by four touchdowns. I'm not sure they beat Northwestern today. Nebraska's in a rebuilding mode and drop over 30 on them. They can't stop anybody. By the way, pros are no, start your day with lows, save 5% on eligible purchases every day made with Lowe's business credit account, 5% savings in store and online. C-Store for details, U.S. only Lowe's.

Best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, Cowherd. It's the best for last. So we thought on Mondays, can you just wrap up every game

in three words? And I think almost all the time in sports. You could maybe do it in politics, too. Short, succinct, simple, distill it down to three words. So we're going to look at every game starting Thursday, and here we go. Let's start with the Raiders and the 49ers, our three words, the Grood Awakening. Listen, they lost the locker room. Dave Wonstadt always tells me this. He says, you can lose games. You can't lose the locker room as a coach and they've lost it. Do you realize the Raiders are allowing more yards per play than any team in NFL history? John Gruden's not only losing games, he's lost the locker room.

Bears, bills, consider the opponent. Listen, the Bears won 41 to 9. They are 5 and 3 in first place in the NFC North. Matt Nagy can coach. The defensive front is real. I still think the ceiling is really low with Mitch Trubisky. I think they're a year away. He's going to need more weapons. Just not much I can take from this game. They lose to the toughest teams, and they dominate the cruddy teams.

Kind of a Mike Tyson quality. Beat the bad opponent, struggle with the good ones. Buccaneers, Panthers, yes, they can. Listen, Cam's completing 67% of his throws this year. He's not a precision quarterback. This is a real thing. I didn't think he'd be coachable at this point in his career. He's knocked it out of the park.

Chiefs Browns, one franchise quarterback. That's a cheap shot, Colin. Listen, Cleveland falls to 2-6-1. I watched all these rookie quarterbacks. They all need help. Cleveland can't keep a coordinator or a coach for May 5,000. field. And the other thing is, now Cleveland's offensive line looks about as bad as the New York Jets with Sam

Darnold. Right now, for all these rookie quarterbacks, let's just burn the tapes of year run. One. Jets, dolphins. Tough to watch. Dolphins couldn't move the ball. Sam Darnold has regressed his accuracy, which was never his greatest asset. He was always a little reckless.

I predicted before the season started, Joy, you were here, I said. He's going to have 18 interstate. exceptions. It's going to lead the league. He's the youngest quarterback. He's going to be really choppy, and they'll be as good as his running game. Well, now they can't run the football. Translation, the Jets can't move the football. They need, for the record, a new center, a new left tackle, two backs and two receivers. Outside a tight end, and Darnold, I don't like any of their offensive personnel. Steelers, Ravens, AFC North Champs. Steelers have won four straight. They don't miss Slavian Bell. Their pass rush has been terrific for the last month, and they've solved their

defensive issues on the back end. Lions Vikings, three-word game. Good, never great. Listen, they'll say this. They set a franchise record for sacks in the game with 10. I always feel the same about Minnesota as I do about Kirk Cousins. They're good. But do you trust them against great teams. New Orleans, would you trust them? them at Green Bay. Do you trust them in Foxborough, at Kansas City against Pittsburgh? Good. Never great. That's the Vikings. Falcons Redskins. Falcons still alive. For the record, does anybody realize Matt Ryan is having a tremendous year? He is averaging 335 yards a game. And that is on pace to beat Peyton's single-season pass-yard record.

Peyton Manning. Don't count these guys out. In fact, I made a mistake not having this in the Blazin Five. Atlanta played with urgency. Washington was asleep. Atlanta's got good personnel. Don't kid yourself. You don't want to get into a shootout with Atlanta.

They can outscore you. Texans Broncos. Houston, no problems. First team to win six straight games after starting 0 and 3 since the 1970. Their defense of personnel, we've always liked that up front. Dushan Watson now, it wasn't pretty a little inartistic, but dude moves the chains. Chargers, Seahawks, three words. Lack of trust.

Okay, the Chargers have won five straight. That game wasn't close. They couldn't hit a field goal or a P.A.T. And they cut their kicker today. I love the Chargers. Lack of trust, though. Sam Saints, two best teams. I mean, come on.

Didn't that look like a Super Bowl should look? I mean, as Joyce said, that's one of those rare games. I thought no less of the losing team. Coaching personnel. By the way, that Saints' run defense is the real deal. Packers Patriots. Stop the comparisons. I mean, come on.

Eight Super Bowls to one. Fourth quarter, game was tied. Who looked better? Brady's bet. We never compared Marino to Montana. Marino had the better arm. Stop comparing Rogers and Brady. Slam dunk, it's over.

Finally, Cowboys tonight and Titans. Cowboys must win. They've never made the playoffs, starting 3 and 5. They're currently 3 and 4. I want to see Dak and Amari a lot tonight. We're done. We're back tomorrow in L.A. Oh, we have a minute left?

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They'll ugly it up. You can't run on Tennessee. That's the one thing they do. You cannot run the football on Tennessee. They crowd the box. They're super physical up front. So Dak is going to have to throw the ball downfield. He's got Cole Beasley.

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