The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Patriots, Tua Tagovailoa, Browns, Tom Brady, Joe Burrow

Episode Date: April 17, 2020

Colin talks about the possibility of the Patriots moving up in the draft to get Tua Tagovailoa, why he doesn't believe the Browns when they say they wont trade OBJ, Tom Brady still being upset 20 years later, and why he still isn't sold on Joe Burrow being the number 1 pick. Guests include Albert Breer, Alex Rodriguez, Jonathan Taylor, Bruce Feldman, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm just, I got some digital and podcasting numbers. They're up. We have no games. Our March beat our February, and that included the Super Bowl in February. So thank you so much for supporting us. The NFL, Joy, just keeps giving us little bits and pieces every day. And, you know, this is like Europe and soccer. We love our NFL football.

And we got more news today. The news keeps coming. I'm grateful for it. Thank you for everyone that is watching and listening because you're keeping our lives very normal in a very crazy time. We appreciate it. Yeah, I got some dry cleaning back yesterday. It made my day. That's exciting.

You appreciate the little things in life, the very little things in life. I would, two things I'm going to invest in going forward, Zoom, that company, Zoom and a drive-in haircut place. If one of those opens, I'm... God, I need a hair. Hair cut for viruses for the next 30 years. Drive-in haircuts. I'm all for it. So I do not believe in coincidences.

Maybe I'm cynical. Maybe I'm jaded. What-evs? I don't know. But I don't really believe in stuff. If you're a guy and you're dating a girl and her ex-boyfriend just happens to be in town and she doesn't show up last night, I don't think it's a coincidence. She's fooling around on you.

And the reality is, when things line up, there is usually a reason. It's my job to pay attention to things lining up. So yesterday, Ian Rappaport, a very good NFL reporter, said he expects New England to use a premium pick on Tom Brady's replacement. Well, they don't have a second round pick. So that would be their number one pick. Because a premium pick, a third round, maybe high third round pick.

Now remember, New England's got three third round. third round picks and a first round pick and a fourth and a fifth and four six round picks and they're getting compensatory picks next year so they could give you picks next year and still be okay so suddenly Ian Rappaport oh who used to work for the Boston Herald and still has all sorts of connections there is saying New England is going to use a pick to get a quarterback. And the name they throw out is Tua. There's also a belief.

Wink, wink, wink, a belief. He's got it sourced. It could somehow end up with Tua. What really makes this interesting is I get up this morning after Ian Rappaport said that yesterday. Oh. He's got a tweet this morning.

Lions GM Bob Quinn a former Patriot employee. And Matt Patricia, by the way, a former Belichick assistant and friend. Ian Rappaport says, yeah, Bob Quinn's had conversations with teams about trading to number three. Draft pickaway. This is where the draft starts, folks.

So what do you know? Let's add up the dots. A former Boston Herald reporter connected with New England. in the last 24 hours reports New England's very interested in Tua and a premium pick in getting a quarterback. And then the next morning, Bob Quinn is saying, you know, we're taking all sorts of calls for the number three pick. They used to work together, Bob Quinn, Belichick, Belichick, Matt, Patricia. Oh, let me add this. New England's got a bunch of picks.

And New England likes. We see them every year. Move up, move down. Move up, move down. Move up, move down. In the draft. They're not the Cincinnati Bengals historically. He's always using draft picks as commodities, and he's trading them, and he's selling them.

So, first of all, Jared Stidham is not the future. For anybody saying, Jared Stidham's the future, he's not the future. Let's get that off the table. Now, I do believe they want to get Trevor Lawrence next year or Justin Fields. But they may see Tua as I see Tua. I see Tua as a left-handed Drew Brees, some injuries. concerns early in his career. Drew Bree's first year injury concerns to a college injury concerns. Too good to pass up. All time accuracy. Too good to pass up. Didn't have to wait,

unlike Joe Burrell, for him to be a senior to be any good. So that's how I start my show today. Very, very interesting. And now let's go to the whiny Cleveland Brown. So a couple days ago, a story came out from a radio station in New York. It's very popular. It's called W.E. F-A-N. Fan. They talk sports. They're clever. WF-A-N. One of their reporters, who I don't know personally, but they have a lot of very talented people, came out and reported WFAN is the New York Giants Station. So there's a lot of, you know, the Giants are the, they are the talk of that station a lot. The New York Giants and WFA. And they've had a long, long relationship in the city. They have events together and parties together and they have access. Employees have access that you wouldn't

have if you weren't the broadcasting site for a team. So one of the reporters says Minnesota is looking at OBJ. And the Cleveland Browns just not happy with it. And so that morning, when I got the news, I said, this is fascinating. I said, I don't have my sources yet, but I think it's good for Minnesota. I think it's good for OBJ. I think it's great for Cleveland. I actually think it's great for Cleveland.

And then over the course of the day in the next two days, I said I had two to three different sources. I know three sources that said it's not going to happen, but it doesn't mean OBJ is necessarily happy. I'm also told by a source that broke the Tom Brady story to me. OBJ, you know, it's not like he's miserable, but, you know, it's not perfect. So the Cleveland Browns, and they are very upset their chief strategy officer, Paul D. Podesta. Their strategy hasn't been good for several years, so I don't know his job status. D. Potesta confirmed this is nonsense and I'm not happy. In short, I'll just say it was completely false. You know, it's frustrating a little bit. Obviously, I think it's pretty clear that we're trying to build at this point. We've done an awful lot in free agency.

We're excited about what we have a chance to do in the draft and we're really building around a core of players that we think have a chance to be a championship caliber core. and the idea that we would take away from that core, you know, at this moment just doesn't make a whole lot of sense and really not something that we're exploring at all. So, yeah, it's completely false. Oh, completely false. Didn't you say that you were really into Freddie Kitchens? Remember that? When guys like me would say it's over. Completely false.

These reports are completely false. Paul D. Podesta still worked for the organization. when the owner, I said John Dorsey doesn't fit here, he's going to get blown out. That has completely false. You blew him out. Sorry, Cleveland, if we don't believe everything you say. Chief Strategy Officer, I've watched her strategy. It's not great.

Ever? Last two decades? Not picking on this guy. But if you want to know why guys like me are skeptical, and I don't think OBJ is getting traded to the Vikings because I trust my sources. But I totally support WFAN reporting something. and let's be honest here. Minnesota said they love Percy Harvins. They wouldn't trade him.

They did. Minnesota said, Stefan Diggs is in our future. They lied. They traded him. The New York Giants said we won't trade OBJ. They did. And Cleveland is a misinformation factory.

Let me give you some facts about OBJ. Nobody thinks he's ending his career there, even you guys in Cleveland. Here's a fact. OBJ wants to win now. He doesn't want a rebuilding process. Cleveland's in a constant rebuilding process. Cleveland's in a constant rebuilding

process. Fact number three, OBJ, it was never a place and I talked to him. It was never a place he mentioned. He mentioned the Rams. He mentioned the 49ers. He mentioned the Patriots. He's a Paris, New York, Hollywood guy. He's a Bel Air guy. He's not Burbs of Cleveland guy. And here, again, there's a reason that so many reporters are skeptical of politicians because they say things and do the opposite. So reporters, it's very healthy to be skeptical of politicians. There's no organization in the NFL I'm more skeptical of of Cleveland. When guys like me came out and said,

Freddie Kitchens, it's over. You can read the body language. They ran out the GM. He is our guy. You literally fired him 12 minutes after the season. You didn't make your mind up that day. You made your mind up months before. The owner, when people like me banged on John Dorsey,

He is the GM of the future. You fired him a minute after the season. So I'm sorry, Cleveland, if your strategy officer and your organization's upset. But when it comes to trades and I get a lot of information, nobody's ever honest on trades. Now, I don't think OBJ is a great fit in Cleveland, but I do know it's not a perfect spot for him. It's not. He's not going to say that because he wants to be a good. a good teammate. And they know. I mean, they're overcompensating every time they can for OBJ.

But I, you know, fan bases, I don't pay much attention to them because they're fan, fans, but look in the mirror Cleveland fans. Your owner lied about your GM, your GM lied about your coach, the Giants lied about OBJ, Minnesota twice that I love a receiver and traded it. If you want to know why media are skeptical, and in this case, OBJ, I don't think goes to the Vikings. But, But if this team went 0 and 3 to start the season, you don't think they're going to make changes, they can get something for OBJ. And you think he's going to end his career there. That's where he doesn't want to be with a rebuilding team.

So the skepticism by the media and the reporting by the media is absolutely completely justified. Yeah, people, if you get a call from somebody and it involves OBJ and the Cleveland Browns, don't believe all the denials. It appears everything with Cleveland is misinformation. and OBJ in New York was nothing but information. So if some guy from a New York radio station goes with it and doesn't listen to the doubters and the claimers that it's false, so be it.

I'll have his back. Coming up, it's going to be a great documentary, and it starts Sunday, the Michael Jordan documentary. But it got me thinking about is the NBA is a star-driven league. So why does the NFL have more stars than the NBA? Why does the NFL have so many more players that literally move the TV rating than the NBA. I'll address that coming up.

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It'll get higher NBA ratings than probably a lot of NBA games in the last several years. Now, some of that's because of the virus. We just want anything. Some of it's because Michael Jordan is still more popular than any current NBA player, not named LeBron James. Now, I'm not in any way denying the popularity of Michael Jordan. It's like Peyton Manning and Brett Farb. But when Peyton Manning and Brett Farve leave the NFL, I got to be honest.

I don't miss them. I got Patrick Malhombs. I got Lamar Jackson. I got this kid in Arizona, Kyler Murray. I don't even think Baker Mayfield's good, and I love watching him play. Because that's what the NFL has with college football.

They put their arms around it. They hug each other. They understand they're both good for each other. Over the last three weeks, Joy and I have talked about college football players, many that you've never seen play. I don't know if Joe Burrell is going to be any good, but I'm watching every freaking snap

of a Bengals game this year. I'm going to watch the Cincinnati Bengals who are going to finish 5 and 11 and I'm going to watch every damn snap because I have an emotional connection to Joe Burrow, because I have an emotional connection to Baker Mayfield,

and Kyler Murray, and Sam Darnold. You don't even have to be a good player on a good team and I'll watch because I'm connected emotionally. The NBA doesn't get along with college basketball. They seem as bad. guys stealing from the kids. Football doesn't.

They see college football as a maturation process, developing young men, hardening them for the NFL. Don't you think it's ironic or strange? Because I don't believe in coincidences. There's 15 to 20 NFL players that get me to a TV set. Lamar Jackson's on I'm watching. Sam Darnold's playing Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray. I'm not just mentioned not just quarterbacks,

like star receivers. I'm fascinated with. I'm going to sit and watch a draft for four days, not because of the virus, though that'll increase the viewer, because I love it, because I have a connection. The NBA doesn't do that.

The NBA's new model is something that's good for the individual, I'm sure. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm not sure. I don't think it's good for the collective. Top high school player Jalen Green is going to now enter the G League. Oh, great. From high school bad coaching,

AAU bad coaching to getting coached in the middle of nowhere bad coaching. Like going with Bill Self for a year, Jim Bayheim for a year, Mark Few for a year, Mike Shishowski for a year, Roy Williams for a year is a bad thing. What a sacrifice. Really? Never been paid in 18 years. You can't go four months. They barely make you go to class.

You really think there's an advantage to going, and I'm going to read you, some of the G League cities. They're in Canton, Ohio, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Walker, Michigan, Erie, Pennsylvania, College Park, Georgia, Stockton, California, Edinburgh, Texas, Taylor'sville, Utah. God, I hope my car doesn't break down in those towns. You think they have elite coaching and medical staffs? You think there's marketing? Nobody with his social life watches that stuff. As Doug Gottlieb calls it, it's the witness protection program of basketball.

So great, the kid gets some money. But the only reason I know who Zion is is, is Doug Gottlieb. Duke, and that's why Nike and Jordan Brand are all offering up massive deals. This idea, the NFL, is not built for the player, yet there's 25 guys that move the TV needle in little tiny markets like New Orleans in Green Bay, geographically, up in Seattle. But yet the NBA is a star-driven league. They have shoe companies, AAU systems, they're trying to promote. and they got four guys who moved the needle.

Mark Cuban and I emailed one weekend about two months ago. And I offered the suggestion that 10 guys move the needle. He goes, I've seen the research. It's closer to three. Don't you think it's weird that Jordan is still this popular? Hasn't played in 20 years. We got over Peyton Manning and Brett Farvin an hour. Joe Montana in 10 minutes.

Because the NFL's brand actually, their model actually is better at developing stars. They use college football as a place. I don't watch high school videos or AAU basketball. Some do most don't. And I sure as heck, I'm not going to watch the G League. So that great Jalen Green will go from high school to AAU to the G League to a bad NBA team who I won't see for years unless I'm a diehard 1%er. You can't build a business like that. I'm happy for Jalen Green. I'm happy for young people getting money. but for a star-driven league, why don't they have more guys that are stars that move the needle?

Why don't they have more players that sell shoes? Do you know Michael Jordan still sells more shoes than everybody in the NBA? And frankly, there's only one guy in the NBA now that really sell shoes. LeBron. There's a massive drop-off after LeBron. LeBron left the Eastern Conference, and the ratings collapsed. Was it a conference? or a guy holding it up.

All I'm saying is the NFL draft is why the NFL is king. We have visceral connections to players that we're rooting for or against or we're fascinated by. If I don't watch in high school, people don't, AAU, most don't, G League, no chance in hell. And you go to a bad NBA team for six years. Is that how to build a star? Do you have to be as good as Michael or LeBron to be a star? Do you have to be as dominant as Shaq to be a star? Kiler Murray's tiny, he's a star.

Baker's a two-time walk-on, he's a star. Everybody doubted Lamar, he's a star. Tom Brady got drafted sixth round. He's a star. I like the NFL's format. Embrace the college atmosphere. Use it as a platform. I'm not asking college guys to stay four years.

If you're gifted, one year of college is perfect. But to see it as the enemy of the sport, I think is a disservice to not only college basketball, but long term. Maybe the kid? You tell me, Mike Shashefsky coaches you for one year, or you play for the windy city Bulls in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. I thought that was a subdivision. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Joe Burrow is widely viewed as the top quarterback in the draft and who the Bengals are going to select with the top pick, but one anonymous NFC coach thinks Burrow is a little overrated. According to Tom Pelliserro, the coach said he ends up with a pro coach and Joe Brady in a really good system with the best players. He's a great processor and he has everything I'd want in a quarterback. If I took him in the second or third round, he's not a natural thrower. He can't really pump it down the field. now he can throw it back shoulder and uncovered,

and he's got anticipation for that ball's wobbling. Love him, but I think he's a high-risk guy at one. I don't know how you love him with all of those critiques. Well, again, I think that's a little low for me. I do think he's a B-plus prospect. But what he's basically saying is, number one pick means really bad team. Are you the kind of guy?

I think he's just saying he's overvalued. That is what my favorite GM who I talk to tells me. And, well, I would just say my feeling from the people I trust is he's a very good prospect. But at this point, it's become mythology more than reality. I wonder if Tua wasn't in this draft and Tua wasn't injured. He was healthy and in another draft if people would be so critical of Burrow. Because I think that people were so in love with Tua. and then the injury happens.

So there's kind of this hesitation where you still feel like Tua is super talented, but nobody really knows how that injury is going to affect him on the playing field. And then here comes Burrow with this incredible all-time statistical season, amazing run, a storybook run to the national championship. And it's almost like you don't want to fall in love with the new pretty thing because you still have this attachment to Tua. So I wonder if Tua wasn't in this draft if people would be as critical of Burrow.

Because Burrow has won at every level. Everywhere he's gone, he's made better. All this talk about LSU as the best players. A lot of those players were there the year before. They weren't winning the national championship. He elevated the players he was with. They don't have the top offensive line in college football and they beat all of the best defenses.

Nobody disputes that. But the year before Burrow was starting quarterback for LSU and he was average. Aren't you supposed to get better? Well, again, great. Michael Jordan was a high school all-American. Great usually, I mean, look at this draft. Six seniors in the first round they project.

So if you're great in most anything in life, even tech, I just watched the social network the other day. 17 years old, Mark Zuckerberg, 18 years old, is literally smarter than 95% of the people he's meeting with. You shouldn't have to wait for a fifth year in college to pop. And I think that, like, Baker Mayfield, by the way, walk on, walk on, walk on, he goes to Oklahoma, he pops late. And I always said with Baker, why is he walking on if he's the number one,

aren't number one picks like Elway, Andrew Luck, talented? But that's, I think, what the issue is. I think it's that their number one overall picks. That's the problem. Because if Burrow went somewhere where he was in a great system again, with a lot of super talented players in a well-run organization, he would have, I would have zero, I don't have any hesitation about Burrow, other than the organization he's going to.

Baker could be thriving right now if he hadn't been through four coaches, right? Am I losing track of how many coaches they have? No, no. He'd be a much better player, obviously, in Seattle if Russell Wilson wasn't there. Yes, I totally agree. My question with Burrow is,

is he talented enough to overcome the dysfunction of Cincinnati? And my opinion is to some level, but he's going to get the, you know what, beat out of him for three years, and I don't think he'll be the same physical or emotional player three years from now after getting sack 48 times a year. And that, I think, is the fair criticism because that's really what's scary.

So, Dak Prescott and the Cowboys still can't come to an agreement on a new contract. According to Ian Rappaport, there's been very little to no traction between the two sides. There's also been talk that Dak could skip the off-season program if he doesn't have a new deal in place. The Cowboys reportedly offered Dak an average salary of $33 million with $105 million guaranteed. And he's made about $4 million so far in his career, of course, because he's a fourth round pick on. his rookie contract. I don't really expect them to get anything done anytime soon. I mean, putting the tag on him basically insured that he's going to play this year with with the money that's on the table unless he just gives in. But, you know, I feel, I don't remember ever in my

career talking about someone's contract as much as to heck press guys. It is the contract negotiations that will never end. If he gets one now, if he gets a five-year deal now, I'm just happy because it's over. I'd literally, I'd overpay him at this point, just so I don't have to talk about it. I know. Finally, two years ago, Ben Rothesberger said he was surprised when the Steelers that drafted Mason Rudolph, but this year he isn't stressing about the possibility of Pittsburgh bringing in another quarterback. They have to do what they have to do. You know, we've got some quarterbacks on the roster, but if they feel like there's a better one out there, then they got to go get them. And that's their prerogative. That's why they're the owners, the GMs, and the

coaches, and we just play. So it's not going to change my mindset, my mentality. my motivation. I'm trying to come off an injury. So I'm going to give everything I have. If they go drop the quarterback with our first pick in the second, it's not like it's going to make me go out there and try and be any better because I'm already trying to do that anyway, you know? Yeah.

And by the way, they don't have a ton of weaknesses. Their defensive front's excellent. So, I mean, I could see Pittsburgh, you know, first second round pick going somewhere and third round pick saying, you know, I mean, Pittsburgh at this point, I think it's, you have, as a well-run organization, Sean Payton went out and got Teddy Bridgewater a couple years ago. They went and looked at Taysam Hill. I mean, once a quarterback hits 37 and Ben's been beat up, it's irresponsible if you're not drafting quarterbacks, frankly. Right. Or at this point, if you don't draft a quarterback, they only have six total

picks in this draft. And as he said, the first, the first election will be in the second round, number 49 overall. So it's not even a terribly high pick along with not a lot of picks. So you can't expect too much movement from them in this draft. That's why I think it's surprising that they've been so resistant to signing someone like James Winston or Cam Newton. Maybe they're just waiting until they can, you know, physically evaluate these guys. But we know Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges aren't it. So they're going to either draft someone or they're going to have to sign a reliable backup because Ben's coming off shoulder surgery.

And like I'll be honest, we're always talking about optics and, you know, all of that. And listen, I'm from Pittsburgh, born and raised there. So, you know, it's steel city, blue collar city, but optics matter. And I'm concerned about Ben coming back from this surgery. Like, I just am. He's always been a guy that takes big hits. That's a really massive surgery to have. So I think you need someone reliable in that spot.

And they were in the playoff discussion last year. Unbelievable so with that situation. So I think it's crucial that they either draft someone or sign someone reliable. Good stuff. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Cover the NFL for a long time.

MMQB covering it 15 years. His name is Albert Breyer, and he's joining us now. All right, I read the Ian Rappaport stuff. I know he's a rival or whatever, blah, blah, blah. But he did say yesterday, Patriots, interested, high-level quarterback. Then this morning he says, you know, lions are interested in moving out of three potentially,

and I think to myself, boy, there's a lot of people in Detroit that used to work in New England. Ian used to work at the Boston Herald. There's a lot of connective stuff here. What do you make of the report, though, about New England and a quarterback, Albert, because Jared Stidham doesn't appear to be the guy. Well, Colin, I think they would give Jared Stidham a shot.

I'm going to hand him the job. I'm not sure the Patriots are in a position right now to make a massive move up the board all the way up to three. Look, Bob Quinn's been shopping that pick. I think it's been pretty well known through the league over the last two months that the Lions are open for business on the third overall pick. You know, they like Jeffrey Okuda.

They like Derek Brown, but they'd like those guys more at five or six than they would at three. So, you know, the Patriots are looking at quarterbacks. The Lions are looking to move the third overall pick. I wouldn't connect the two. And in fact, you know, my sense right now would be that the Patriots maybe take one a little bit later on in the draft and not with their first round pick. Mostly because I do think that this is sort of a reset year for them where they're going

recent their finances, they're going to get younger in a bunch of different spots. They've got a lot of holes to fill them for a team. It's been really good the last few years. Albert Breer, brought to us by Mercedes Ben's, the best or nothing. I did a mock draft, which is ridiculous, right? Like, I'm just guessing. And there's a lot of them I really like and some I doubt. I had the Chargers moving up to number three

because I thought when they got Chris Harris, it gave him a third top corner, and I think they know Detroit could use a corner. And I could see Detroit just moving down to the Chargers spot. moving up, giving them draft picks. They have a very deep roster in Los Angeles. They don't have seven guys who can make this roster potentially out of the draft. So Chargers, to me, would be my guess if somebody moved up to Detroit,

Detroit saying they're willing to move. Do you have a team that you think is a high priority team that would go up there? Yeah, the Chargers is the one that's everybody's watching right now. You know, I think the Dolphins would be in mind to stick at five and maybe take Justin Herbert there. at least that's sort of the feeling you get around the league. You know, Tom Telesco has always done a really good job of holding his cars close to the best and sort of his feeling his intentions.

You know, whether or not he's up to three to go and get somebody like Tuotunga because every single, you know, trade into the top five or within the top ten over the last, you know, five years has been for a quarterback. Is he sold the two as the guy? I'm not positive. He's sold the two as the guy. but if Chua is the guy for him, then I can certainly see why he would want to move up

and make sure that he gets him. And it would make sense for Detroit, too. Again, if, you know, the possibility exists, and I think the possibility would exist with, you know, the likelihoods that the Giants take Isaiah Simmons or tackle at four, that, you know, the line is to say we can get Jeff Okuda or Derek Brown at three, or maybe we can just trade down and get one of those guys at six.

So to me, the ideal situation for Detroit is to move down but stay in the range just so they're one of those elite defensive players. And the chargers certainly could afford them the chance to do that if the charges want to move off. So New York Giants denied OBJ would be traded. He was traded. Minnesota Vikings said Percy Harvard and Stefan Diggs wouldn't be moved. They were moved. I have a source that told me about Tom Brady going to Tampa.

The same source told me OBJ doesn't love Cleveland. He's going to be a good soldier. But it's not ideal there. It's not a place that he's going to end his career. The OBJ rumors came out last week right before the drive. My source says he's not going to Minnesota, but again, I don't believe in coincidences. And it's hard for me, you know, it's hard for me to always trust when people say a trade's not going to happen. Of course they do, because there is a leverage situation there where you don't want it out.

What do you make of the OBJ talk? It seems like for the last year, about every other month we hear it, there's a little smoke there, Albert, isn't there? Well, listen, I've been told that the Vikings, oh, there's no chance that they're training for O'Dell Becker. Now, again, there's smoke these times this time of year and everything else. Additional phone calls can be made, all that. I would say this, though, a lot of times perception getting out that something might be happening can smoke out interest. And I just tell you that that's what happened with Stefan Diggs. You know, literally, the reason the Vikings got calls on Stefan Diggs,

on that Monday a month ago was because Stefan Diggs tweeted in reaction to her cousin's contract about wanting to get out of Minnesota, where he said it was time for a change or whatever. That put four or five teams to make a call to the Vikings. Then the Vikings sat around, talked it over, decided, okay, here's our price. We want a Percy Harvin type of hall back for Stefan Diggs. They found a team that was willing to go there, and by the end of the day, he was traded. And so the point of telling that story is that in a lot of these cases, you know, a team may not have an intention of doing something,

and something like the OBJ, the Minnesota, when we're getting out there, could be completely false. Something like that getting out there can prompt other teams to say, well, let's just make a call and find out. And so I don't know that Cleveland is of mind to shop OBJ around the league, but I would tell you that there's certainly, you know, the possibility now. now after that gets out there, that that sort of thing can prompt other teams to call a team like the Browns and just ask and see what it might cause.

And so, again, I don't know that he's actively on the block, but I think there's certainly a possibility that Cleveland's going to get more calls now as a result of what happened earlier this week. Albert Breer, what's the most interesting text you've gotten from somebody in the NFL in 48 to 72 hours? You don't necessarily have to tell me the person or the player. but I'm getting a lot of text from people, a lot of questions. This is just a fascinating time. What's the most interesting text you got in the last few days? You know, I would say the speculation that Tua could slip is up there and where's Tua going to go. That's definitely a part of it.

I've also found a couple guys that are a little further down the line through my conversations the last few days that NFL teams seem to have got a consent. on and that they all love. And up high, that's Derek Brown. Like, I don't think that the public is quite caught up to how much NFL teams really like Derek Brown. Okay. He doesn't tackle from Auburn.

Yeah. A little further down the line, the safety from Alabama, Xavier McKinney, and the linebacker from Oklahoma, Kenneth Murray, those two guys are guys that it seems universally. You don't hear a lot of bad stuff on them. Like, everybody seems to really, really like them. So if you're looking at, like, maybe a guy who's a guy or two who could go little higher than you might think.

You know, Derek Brown, I think, could go as high as three. Wow. And then I think, you know, Xavier McKinney, on the safety from Alabama and Kenneth Murray could both wind up going somewhere in the team. So that's the sort of stuff I'm hearing now is sort of just consensus building on guys. And then, of course, I mean, again, just rampant speculation over what might happen with Tuatunga below it. And if he were to get past the Chargers, where he might land.

That was good gossip. That was terrific by Albert Breer. You cannot top that, so we're letting you go. Monday morning quarterback. Albert, thank you. Awesome. Thanks, I appreciate it. By the way, next hour, Alex Rodriguez, A-Rod, and Jonathan Taylor, who's my favorite running back in the draft.

I just think he's a rock star. And you know what? Something about Wisconsin? Their guys do well in the NFL. I don't know why. They're tough. They're tough. Russell Wilson counts as a Wisconsin guy, too.

There's something about Wisconsin guys. Is it the cold weather? Is it all the broughts? and beer up there you have during, I don't even know what it is, but I like Wisconsin guys in the NFL. Nobody thought JJ Walt was going to be this good, right? Their offensive linemen always hitting the NFL. Coming up next, Tom Brady's talking, at least on Instagram, and it makes me think, women must think we're nuts. I'll explain that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Do not bother them. We were like, God, there's Chrissy Deacon. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's John Legend, Chrissy Teigen. They live in, you know, probably around here in, you know, Beverly Hills or something. So Chrissy Teigen just went to her Twitter account. God, this is so funny. I love this. She says, my remote died on a show called The Herd.

And I've never understood something less. The names, the terms, nothing. She said he just said, I always like Wisconsin guys. L-O-L. Well, first of all, this is my favorite tweet in the history of the world. Not everybody understands this show. I do sports. I'm a talk show host. I blab.

I'm doing my show usually in a TV facility. I have to do it in a radio show because of the virus. So I haven't had a haircut in a month. I'm a mess. Joy Taylor. Let's put Joy Taylor up to show. There are beautiful people on this TV show. Radio simulcast.

There's one of us. The fact that your remote died, you know what? We all meet people different ways. It was meant to be. Oh, my God, I'm on the herd, she just tweeted. Well, she's a beautiful person, married to a... I love you, Chrissy. I told my wife.

And I know who she is, at least. Well, she's way more famous than I am, so I should know who she is, and she shouldn't know who I am. In all fairness, too, she, her remote died while we had Albert on, and we were in the thick of draft trades. We're in rumors. So we're in full sports nerd mode. We've had Snoop Dog on.

We've had some famous people on before. So we occasionally have famous people on. So anyway, thank you. Kind of, I think it's a compliment, sort of, not at all. I want to say this. Speaking of women, how they view men, sometimes I think women look at us and think we're crazy. So Tom Brady, just think of his life.

Tom Brady is worth $300 million. He's the greatest player in his sport ever. And married to a beautiful. woman, Giselle Bunchen. He's got a brand. It's trying to become a global brand, TB12. So his life is good. His kids are healthy. He's successful. His wife

is loving and beautiful. Can you imagine if you were the greatest anything? Ice cream salesman? Who cares? Yet? This is why we're all weird as guys. Tom Brady can't let it go that he was drafted in the sixth round. Not the first, not the second, not the third, not the fourth, not the fifth, the sixth round.

He was overlooked by every team five times. including his team that got him. So despite the nine Super Bowls and the six Super Bowl titles, he went yesterday to his Instagram, Tom Brady, the Buccaneers new quarterback, and commemorated the 20th anniversary of him being selected by posting all the quarterbacks taken ahead of him in the draft. He's still petty.

Quote, nope, I haven't forgot. It is. Doubters are jet fuel for competitive men. I am not going to speak for women. Maybe it is. I can't speak for them. I'm not going to speak for guys who aren't competitive. I'm competitive.

There is almost nothing in the world that I get more joy out of than proving something wrong. If I had a list of the top three things that make me happiest, seeing my kids succeed is the easy number one. There's nothing close. Number two is either a cocktail at five o'clock during this virus. or proving people wrong. It is jet fuel. You never forget it. You never forget the doubters.

There is nothing better than sticking it to somebody who doubted you. There are people I went to college with, people that didn't hire me, and I love sticking it to him. And the late Kobe Bryant talked about it. And Michael Jordan, think about the greatness of Michael Jordan. He sells more shoes today than any current basketball player, including LeBron. He's the goat. He's worth $2.2 billion. Married to a beautiful, a woman, a model.

Life's good, right? No. Michael's Hall of Fame speech, he banged on his high school coach for cutting him. He ripped a teammate in high school who started over him for a year. You guys, you women must look at us, Joy, and think we're crazy. Oh, I mean, we definitely do, but it's for lots of other reasons than that. Oh, really?

I think it's competitive people in general. My nickname is Queen Petty. I have a mental list of lots of things that motivate me all the time. I agree with you. There's nothing more satisfying than winning when someone thought that you were going to fail. I think that's a trade of extremely competitive people. It's what makes you great. Well, his production company, Tom Brady's, is named after his draft spot, $199 production.

It defines him. This is why people go to high school reunions. They want to, hey, look. I lifted weights. I lost all my hair, but I've got a good job now, and you should... All the pimples are gone. Yeah, maybe that's why people go to high school reunions to prove people wrong. Alex Rodriguez.

Now, Chrissy Teigen knows who A-Rod is, right? Of course she does. Chrisie, stick around. We've got a big baseball seminar coming up. It's the herd. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the I-Heart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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FS1, Chrissy Teagan's remote is stuck on FS1 and SiriusXM Channel 83. And the talented Joy Taylor is joining me. A-Rod. She, Joy, of course, spent a lot of years in Miami. A-Rod is, I think, from Miami, played at the U. Could have been a great college football player, too. It's Alex Rodriguez Park, where the Canes baseball players play. You saw, Chrissy said she grew up in Seattle, so she knows A-Rod.

She waited six hours during All-Star Break to All-Star Week to meet him and Edgar Martinez. I grew up in Seattle. You and Chrissy got more in common than you think. I think we do. Oh my gosh. I wonder if she come on the show. It'd be just horrifying for her. Talk about a step down in class coming on our show. Hey. I bring a little class of the show. I've got a shiny shirt on. You're right. You're right. In my sweatpants in my apartment. Okay. So before A-Rod, I want to say this. So you know how I think Joe Burrell's going to get drafted number one. I think he's good. I think he's a B-plus prospect. I think he's Tony Romo. I don't think he's as great as everybody's saying. But I think he's good. And I think he would be a very good player if he went to the right

organization. I don't think he can overcome Cincinnati as that division's gotten scary good. Baltimore's better. Pittsburgh's get big Ben back. Cleveland appears to have the right coach and that roster is stacked. Cincinnati is a total uphill battle and I don't think he's talented enough to overcome dysfunction. But a scout came out and said, if he ends up Joe Burrow with a pro coach like Joe Brady with a good system and good players, he'd be good. I mean, he has a lot of things I'd want in my quarterback, but he's not a natural thrower. He can't really pump it down the field. You know, he can throw it back shoulder and uncovered, and he's got some anticipation,

but the ball's wobbling. You know, I really like him, but I love him, but I think he's a high-risk guy at number one. And so here's the two things to think about. This is what I think about a lot with quarterbacks coming out of college to pros. Who are they throwing to? and what kind of throws are they making? So when Vince Young, who's probably the best high school football player I've ever seen, go look up YouTube Vince Young High School.

He looks like an NFL star in the eighth grade. It's absurd. He goes to Texas. He's unbelievable. And at Texas, he throws his last year at Texas, 3,000 yards and 26 touchdown passes. But I go to the USC Texas game. And I said to a friend next to me,

Chad Scott, we were talking about it, And I remember at one point saying he's not making NFL throws. He's scrambling around, dumping it off. He had a tight end he loved. You know, he was throwing lollipops down the sideline. And I'm like, there's no seam routes, 32. There's no over-the-shoulder corner throws. These are not NFL throws.

He loved his tight end, but he wasn't, look left, look right, swivel, keep moving, make a big throw. None of it. And I was never a big fan of a college of Vince Young. And then there's Tim Tebow, who comes out later. I didn't like Tim Tebow. I saw Tim Tebow play live. I saw Tim Tebow, his numbers, let me read these.

Last two years at Florida, 5,600 yards, 51 touchdowns in nine picks. I watched him play. He wasn't making NFL throws. A lot of drag routes. Urban Myers is coach. They're scheming guys open. Lollipop deep throws to wide open guys. It's not that he wasn't good, but he wasn't making NFL throws.

Joe Burrow is throwing to unbelievable players, and he's not making in a muddy pocket these over-the-tops. top 34-yard sideline throws over this guy under that guy. I don't see that. Lance Zerline, who is one of the smartest guys who talks about players, his dad coached in the NFL. He's a former NFL scout. Gil Brand, by the way, yesterday, who's worked in the NFL or alongside the NFL forever, said he's a souped up Andy Dalton. I don't think that's inaccurate. And this is what Lance Zerline says about him. Every player has flaws, right? And I think the one thing with Burrow that you want to take a look at is his throws that he had troubles with in 2018. That's why you got to look at that 18 tape. I know it's really not good. But when you look at 19, I found an issue and I was

looking at the quadrants of the field to see where is this super accurate quarterback? Where does he have any flaws? And what I found was when you look at intermediate throws outside the numbers, he was 21 of 43 with five touchdowns and four interceptions. And when you go back and look at those same throws in 2018, it was the same issue. And what happens is, He's a quarterback that throws with tremendous anticipation and accuracy, much better this year than last year, but it's the same issue. He has a below average arm by NFL standard. That's my knock.

He doesn't have a gun. I think Jared Goff's got a better arm. I think it's, I'm not sure it's as good as Matt Ryan. I'm really not, and I think he's athletic and a good kid. But to go to Cincinnati and overcome that innate dysfunction inside the franchise, I don't think he can do it. I think Andrew Luck did it, and he had Pratt fall. in the end because he fell apart physically because they couldn't protect him.

All right, Alex Rodriguez. You know who Alex Rodriguez is. 14-time All-Star MVP, three times, almost 700 home runs, and he is joining us. So let's start with this. Baseball, basketball, football, there's all sorts of things. The new normal, Arod, we know we're going to have to change things a little bit, maybe shorten seasons. Let's start with the proposal to play in front of no fans. Could you do that?

Well, we've done it before, Colin. You know, I played plenty of B games in backfields in the spring training, instruction of all, and a lot of simulated games as well. And it's an adjustment, but it's one that can easily be done, I believe, by players. Always putting that health is the most important thing right now, we have to be very, you know, conservative. Let's say in three weeks, you get to go ahead. You'd have to do a second spring training, right?

Like, how long would it take you to get in game shape? Well, you hope that you've taken this time as a player to work on other skills. It may be watching video. It might be learning how to spin a curveball a little bit better. It may be watching films on how to be more disciplined in the play. But you're going to find out in short order, who has taken advantage of this time which players and which teams have been diligent. But to answer your question, I would say three weeks is plenty,

and the hitters would have an advantage over the pitchers because it takes them a lot more to develop armstrings, and you've got to make sure the pitchers are healthy and safe. Yeah, by the way, if it's an advantage to the hitters, that means more runs. I'm all for that. Is it an advantage for veteran players potentially who have more money, who have homes, who have batting cages potentially at home, and have setups where they can be in game shape?

Yes, definitely that. And I also think it's an advantage for teams that have older rosters with older pitchers and older players because this becomes a sprint and not a marathon. And it's a completely different ballgame in 2020. Now, that's interesting. It kind of explained that. So if I have older players, I'm not asking them to, you know, make 37 starts, you're saying.

I'm asking a Justin Verlander to make 13. That's right. Take a guy like playing Kershaw. You know, you like him over 15 starts and he's going to max out when you talk about 35 or 36 starts. Also to ask a player who's in his mid-30s to have to play, you know, 192 games when you include spring training and when you include postseason, that's a marathon, much more challenging. But a veteran player, you get them in a sprint mode, they can be dangerous. Here's what I'm concerned about baseball. If they're not willing to move off 162 games,

I don't want baseball players playing in December and lousy weather. I would have no problem shortening the season to 80 games. Let's get to the playoffs. If I have a Dodger Yankee World Series, I don't care if you played 80 games. I love it. How long would you be comfortable playing in the winter if you had to extend the season?

Would you want to play in November? I have no problem playing 82 games. You can make it half a season. Sprint, I think ratings will go through the rules. I think December World Series in L.A. or Miami, much more like the Super Bowl will be fantastic. And you can plan for it. Corporate outings can be planned for it. Just like I saw you calling down in Miami for the Super Bowl, if we knew the World Series was in December in L.A. or Miami, we can plan ahead. We can sell corporate sponsorships. We can take over South Beach.

And here's the other thing I would do, Colin. I think you have to open up the flood. this year. And in order to compete with the NBA and NFL, I want to see every batting cage. I want to see, you know, Aaron Judge. I want to see Mike Trout. I want to see Bellinger. I want to see great players hitting every day. And I want to watch them on my phone. I want to see players, Mike. I want to see just open up the floodgates and have fun and be disruptive. And if you have anything you want to think about that you've had a pilot that's crazy and wild, let it happen in 2020. That's just great. By the way, I think that's absolutely the way to see the world. Alex Rodriguez joining us. You know, I saw something the other day, and I thought of you. Hank Steinbrenner passed away. Listen, I grew up in Seattle, so I first saw you as a mariner.

But I was always comfortable with you going to the Yankees because I thought it was an organization befitting of your skills and your talent and your gravitas. So when you go look back at Hank and the Steinbrenner family, What memories do you have? Well, first of all, Hank was just a tremendous guy. Reserves George a lot. Steinbrenner. He was outspoken.

He was confident, good looking. He had tremendous swagger. And, you know, he was most known for that great quote that he had when Papa Bonn said, you know, he was talking. I don't know if he was talking about the Yankees. And Hank said, you know, it's like. a gnat talking about. He's like having a knot on my pinstrap or something. And he just gave us so much confidence. And to me personally, he was a big part of why I came back in 07, 08. He was very involved in the negotiations. And for me, the highlight was giving him a big hug when we won

the World Championship in 2009. And it was a great moment. You recently, as we've talked about before, you are a huge football fan, college pro. You recently had dinner, I am told, with Bill Belichick. What did you talk about? Well, I've been a long time, you know, admire of Bill Belichick and the way he's gone about his business. You know, I'm a fan of big coaches, you know, whether that's, you know, Jimmy Johnson or whether that's Pat Riley or Bill Belichick. And I just love the way he's gone about his business. He's incredibly smart. He's a humongous baseball fan. So I kept asking them baseball questions. He kept asking me. you know, baseball questions, and it was fun.

I wonder what your reaction was, because there's very few athletes in America. You are still the most known baseball player, I would say, in America right now. So there's an iconic stature that very few, there's at any one time, there's maybe 10 iconic global athletes. Serena, Messi, you're in that status, stature. And I wonder, when Tom Brady leaves the week. winning culture and the brain power of New England and goes to Tampa. How did it land for you? What was your thought on that?

It was surprising. You know, Tom is such a great champion. You think about Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady. He's as good as a guest and may go down in the best trio of our time. When you think about Robert Kraft as an owner, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady. And now he kind of doubles down and goes down to Tampa. It's going to be very exciting. It's going to be great for the league.

I know, Colin, I'm here in Miami, and you can feel the buzz here in Florida about Mr. Brady, bringing all his championship rings, all his swagger, and his great resume down to Florida. I cannot wait to see that. You know, this virus is obviously changing all of our lives. You know, Florida has been in the news a lot. because, you know, it can be, it's taken some believe as a kind of a controversial stance on the virus and has not been as restrictive as, say, California. Be that as it may, if you could for a couple of minutes. I know you're involved in a couple of charities down there and in the virus and how it's affected you and your community. Yeah, you know, it's been tough, you know.

My heart goes up for everyone who's having a hard time, and obviously who has, you know, running. to some health issues. New York has just been absolutely crushed. You know, my heart goes out and prayers for all those families. Colin, what we try to do, whether there's the All-In Challenge, where I donated one of my 2009 championship trophies, you know, like I said on social media, I have a spare one that obviously I'm going to keep. But, you know, make this about an experience and be able to raise hopefully tens of millions

of dollars for those in need. also through Wheels Up and Presidente Beer. We've donated over a million meals to those. And it's just our responsibility. I believe that people in sports, in music, and entertainment, it is our debt that we owe those that we're in a position to give back and help back. And that's what we're trying to do is a very challenging time. All right.

I'm optimistic about all these sports. I don't like sports reporters telling me they know what. going to happen with these sports? Because I don't think, I think it's incredibly fluid. I was told a couple of days ago, baseball really wants, they really want to get a season in. What have you been told? Yeah, look, I've talked to a lot of players, coaches, owners. I think Major League Baseball is working around the clock with Rob Manford, Tony Petiti, and they're trying to figure out what is the best thing to do. They're very cautious because at end of the day, COVID-19, this virus was going to tell us when to play.

Baseball can determine when it's going to play. So I really like the way they're going about it. I really hope that we're able to. So even if it's a short season, it would be incredibly important to pilot a lot of these very aggressive approaches that what the heck is just the shorter year. Let's let it fly. He played 22 Major League Baseball seasons and All-Star 14 times, drafted number. number one by my Seattle Mariners in 1993. His name is Alex Rodriguez, Fox Sports Baseball analyst as well. My friend, good talking to you as always. Thank you, Heard. You bet.

Coming up next, oh my word, people in Oklahoma think I don't like them. That is, of course, not true. I put Lincoln Riley on all the time. I put Bob Stoops all the time on the show. I like Oklahoma. I got nothing against Oklahoma. I think their fans are a nutty, zany, crazy and they don't like me. An NFL exec is ripping Oklahoma and their program and I will address

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What's up, guys? This is Cliver Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

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What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast, Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows, without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series. because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, I say, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tonight, we live one of the most improbable triumphs in NFL history as Tom Brady and the undefeated Patriots squared off with Eli and the Giants and Super Bowl 42. Fox Sports presents the greatest games tonight at 7 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. By the way, it does frustrate me when American media,

when they talk about the virus, they talk about China. I don't believe anything I'm hearing out there. and that compares to Italy. Nobody thinks of Italy as elite governance. It's not as efficient as us. We're not Italy. We're not Spain. We're not China.

Let's talk about our domestic numbers. By the way, Canada's numbers are non-existent. We're not Canada. It's smaller country, more spread out. A lot of land, fewer people. It's smaller population-wise than California. Let's talk about America. Let's figure out America.

And I think our doctors and responders are doing an absolutely unbelievable job. There are pockets. I live out west of western states to have done, we've not had any hospital surge as of, not once. So not even in California where there was great concern. It's the second biggest city in California. So I don't know anything about this. I know social distancing does work. Let me address this.

So an NFL executive, not just like some random regional scout, an executive ripped Oklahoma and Jalen Hertz. They said the Oklahoma stuff is kind of skewed because it's blanking, use the F word, high school seven on seven. tournament every game they play. Jalen Hertz, arms good, not special. I don't think he's super instinctive. Listen, Oklahoma, you tend to get very defensive. The reality is Jalen Hertz in over two years in Alabama, I mean, three years of playing had 71 touchdowns total. In one year at Oklahoma, he had 53. One year. So if he had played there as long and as many games as Alabama, he had 120 touchdowns. Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma. was a machine, 12,000 yards, 70% completion percentage, 119 to 21 touchdown to interception rate.

Now, think of that for a second. That's like 9 to 1. He looks overwhelmed in the NFL, and he doesn't even have a 2 to 1 touchdown interception rate. Kyler Murray to Oklahoma had a 6 to 1 touchdown to interception ratio, 70% completions. NFL, less than 2 to 1. So I like Kyler Murray a lot. But Baker and Kyler Murray are under two to one touchdown to incompletion. They're young, yes, but Baker's now not that young.

And what I would say about Oklahoma, you have to be honest about this under Chip Kelly at Oregon. His quarterbacks were all great. None worked in the NFL. Mike Leach. All his college quarterbacks are unbelievable. He made a kid named Luke Falk at Washington State. Washington State. Luke Fult.

Unbelievable. Luke Fault played in a football game. Luke Falk played in a football game for the Jets. I think it was Monday Night Football against Cleveland. He looked like a nine-year-old. I mean, he looked like a high school player. BYU used to have a coach called LaBelle Edwards. All of his quarterbacks were unbelievable.

One of them really popped Steve Young. Oklahoma Lincoln Riley. Oregon Chip Kelly. Mike Leach. Mike Leach made Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury through 45 touchdowns. And 5,000 yards. It's not a knock on Oklahoma.

It's the reality of the Big 12, and it's a reality of Oklahoma system. The numbers are massively inflated. It's a bunch of easy throws. It's scheme to make it easier for the quarterback. It's not a great defensive conference. It's not. It's smaller defensively. It's spread out.

That's not to say there's not some good players. TCU play some real defensive football. But it's really a compliment to, Lincoln Riley and Mike Leach and Lavel Edwards and Chip Kelly. They take non-NFL guys and make him into rock stars and they take NFL guys and Baker Mayfield puts up cartoon numbers. I mean, you watch the games. He looks overwhelmed.

He's had three different coaches. There's just a lot of, if you take the Cincinnati Bengals games out, he looks overwhelmed in most of his games. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance.

Only pay for what you need. So Bill O'Brien has been taking some heat for the DeAndre Hopkins trade, but he's hoping that people will let the team get back on the field before truly judging any moves to Texans have made. So we feel very good about the value that we got for the trade. I think the best thing I can tell the fans is to please. Because I know the media's job is to evaluate right away. I get that.

I have a lot of respect to the media. I've always said that. But I think we have to let it all play out. Let it play out. Let the whole thing play out, whether it's that trade or anything else that we've done. I would say let's review it, you know, a year from now, two years from now, three years from now. Let's let it all play out. Now, in fairness to Bill O'Brien, who I have mostly defended, though I didn't think he got enough for DeAndre Hopkins.

We all killed the Raiders for the Khalil Mack move. And if you look now two years later, it's like the Raiders got a lot of good players and Khalil Mack has not been as dominating as we think. So I think his premise is correct that nobody would have guessed the day of the draft. The Raiders crushed it and they had the best draft by far of anybody. Sometimes we do have to let things simmer a little bit and play out. He is right about that. But the unfortunate thing for Bill O'Brien is when you have all of the people,

power, you get all of the criticism. Fair. That's how it works. Yes, totally fair. So if you want to make all the decisions, then when those decisions go badly or proceed to be going badly, you have to wear it. And he's right. We really won't know if this was the right move for two to three years.

It might end up being this year that we feel like it's a bad move because he did go to Kyler Murray in a really great situation in Arizona. It was a very accurate quarterback. Not that Deshaun Watson isn't a great quarterback. Of course, we all love Deshawn Watson. But if what happens with the Texans is not great and what happens in the Cardinal seems to improve, then it's going to look like they lost that trade. That's just that's what it is.

And also they're hung up on a lot of money in that contract. So the Texans have eight picks in the draft, but none in the first round. Their earliest pick is number 40 in the second round. So, you know, they may end up taking another wide receiver they have Will Fuller, Brandon Cooks, obviously, Randall Cobb, and Kenny Stills. But some of them have had some injury issues. Again, my concern with the Texans, I want to see Deshawn Watson have a great career and reach his full potential.

And I don't know if their moves are lining up to make that happen. So there was a lot of debate on who would be the second quarterback, or who will be the second quarterback drafted after Joe Burrow. And an anonymous poll of a dozen NFL GMs and execs seven predicted that Justin Herbert will be taken before Tua. One AFC executive said that even though Herbert wasn't in a very complex passing offense at Oregon, No. He is smart enough to pick it up at the next level and that he has a really high ceiling.

And one GM said that Tua was a little bit of a leap of faith because of his injury history, which seems pretty obvious. But the Herbert thing is what makes it interesting to me. Well, you know, you and I have been very clear on this. I mean, I spent a lot of time in Oregon, so I watch a lot of Oregon games. I think Herbert's undervalued.

His strengths, you can't teach. You can't teach his size or his arm. His weaknesses, I think you can overcome a lot. of them. I thought Oregon, Oregon had the eighth most passing attempts in the pack 12 with the best offensive line. It wasn't a protection issue and with Justin Herbert. It wasn't until the Rose Bowl where they just said, go win us the game. And if you watch that game, he looked like the first or second best player on the field. That to me is the biggest is the biggest factor. Obviously, you want to have a good body of work. But when I'm evaluating someone who's going to go into the next level,

Are they accurate as the first thing that I'm concerned about? Because as we know, everything gets much faster in the NFL, and you have to throw people open as opposed to throwing to who is open. But also, how you perform in the biggest moments when there's pressure and there's stuff on the line and you're playing against the best opponents is what matters to me. And I thought that he's, I thought he popped in that game. I was impressed. I wasn't sure about him all year long.

I liked what I saw in that bowl game. And how that plays out in the NFL, I think it's going to depend on where he goes and how much development he gets. I also think that a lot of teams are not really that comfortable with Tua. They'd rather take the risk on Herbert, who doesn't have the injury history but might not be as skilled as Tua, then go with Tua and risk him not being available at all. So the Jaguars haven't ruled out adding another quarterback to their roster, but they said they're confident right now in Gardner Minshue is the starter for 2020.

And Leonard Furnett has been campaigning for his team to bring in Cam Newton as well. Cam went to the Super Bowl. You know, he's a great guy. I've been on Cam. And like I said, like I told some people that talk to me, I talked to, there's no disrespect to menschew. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to be, well, getting the best position as a team that we can win, you know, and that's all that was about, you know, just a friendly, friendly competition because, you know,

they bring out the best of people. Well, it's not disrespect to Gardner Manchu, but it's not necessarily a vote of confidence either, talking about Cam and he went to the Super Bowl and he was a great guy and he knows Cam. Well, Cam's better quarterback. they want to be in the best position to win. Of course. Yeah, I mean, Cam Newton is better than Carder Minchew. Can I say that?

Is that reasonable? I think that's reasonable to say at this point. And that's no distant Gardner Minchew, of course, like Leonard Burnett said. Okay, if I asked you, though, on the market, you need to quarterback. James or Cam, who would you take? I would take Cam. All right, so I'd take James. I think that's a good argument.

I would take, that would be, if we did a debate show, that would be a good topic. It is a good topic. Yeah, I'd take James. he's younger and healthier. I think most people would take Cam. I think James, the mistakes he makes, he makes. But I've watched him play a lot of games. I've seen him go toe to toe with Matt Ryan and beat him.

And I'm like, he can make a lot of play. And he can make a lot of plays. I would take the injury history with Cam for more consistency. I think that Cam has a much better resume, having played in the Super Bowl and won a league MVP. I have more faith in Cam off the first. fields than I do in Jamis, although James hasn't had any issues as of recent. So that's why I would go with Cam in that position. But I also think that the Jaguars are doing what the dolphins did last year,

although I don't think they're going to pull it off as well as the dolphins did because the dolphins are in a great position now. But I think they're trying to do that. We're tanking, but we're not really tanking because we don't like to say that we're tanking things. So I don't think, I mean, if they bring in Cam New and he's going to sit behind Gardner Manchu, I mean, nobody believes that. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Yeah. That's my prediction for next year that will be the one that's right. We can do a debate show. It would be called Joy in the Jabber Mouth.

We would do that would be starting. That's our new digital show. Very catchy. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Well, I told you, as Chrissy Teigen knows, I like Wisconsin guys.

I think it's really a formidable program. I think the coaching is excellent, the weight training. Wisconsin guys go in the NFL. it always feels like to me, they, not all, but they overachieve a little bit. Jonathan Taylor is my best, my favorite running back in the draft.

I told you, I think Michael Pittman of USC's my sleeper. Jonathan Taylor, a lot of people see him as a second, early third round guy. I like him a lot. I can honestly say, late first round,

if he was available and I did a running back, I like Jonathan Taylor. He has track speed. He's tough. He gets tough yards. He can pop for a home run. I don't think he's quite as elusive

as a Sequin Barclay. Maybe he doesn't have the dimensions of Ezekiel Elliott, but I said it during the year. He's absolutely, to me, he's absolutely in Saquan Berkeley's class. Honestly, I think I see some similarities. Maybe not quite the wiggle. I don't know. So Jonathan Taylor will be joining us next hour, Bruce Feldman and tomorrow's headlines today. Just halfway home in L.A., it's The Herd.

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Stanford antibody testing is out. 50 times, 50 plus times, the estimate of confirmed active cases, which means the death rate is far lower than suspected. So that's some good news today. Jonathan Taylor is my favorite running back in the draft, and I had said this during the season. If you like Sequin Barkley, then you can't not

like Jonathan Taylor, who's actually faster. The kid is just tough as nails. He never missed a game in three seasons at Wisconsin. He forced 220 missed tackles since 2017. That's the most in college football. And the kid is a track speed. He is a complete burner. And in Wisconsin, he gets tough yards and plays in tough weather.

There's just nothing I don't like about him. I think he and Michael Pittman at USC are really the underrated guys in this draft for me. and what do I know? I'm just a loud mouth on radio, but Jonathan Taylor is joining us. First of all, I watched a lot of you in college. There is something about Wisconsin guys, Jonathan. You're tougher up there.

I don't know if the beers, brats, or the cold weather, but it's a football program that develops tough guys. Why? Well, Colin, I think it starts in the weight room. I think that's where everything starts at. You got to have a right mindset in order to obtain new goals, whether you want to, you know, lift bench heavier, whether you want to squat heavier. It starts with that mindset, and it's a training process that we go through in order to get us mentally and physically prepare for the season.

And then it translates us over into the field. You understand that you put that work in throughout the entire off season, and now you wanted to come to life on the field. You know, when I first heard about you, people said he's a track guy. And I'm like, I don't know if I like track guys playing football. Then I watched you, and it was a gun show. You were all jacked up, and I'm like, oh, my God. God, he just runs over people. Most track guys aren't as physical as you are.

It is almost if you take pride in not just outrunning people, but running over them. Take me into your mindset on that. Yeah, so really, it all depends on the situation. When you're in the field, you know you watch film on a guy. So you know if a guy is a short tackler. You know if a guy likes to tackle low. You know if a guy shies away from contact. And in your mind, you know that you're ready to go around them.

You're ready to go through them. You're ready to run past them. And you're really ready to use every tool in your toolbox in order to get past that defender. But you definitely take pride, especially at a program at Wisconsin, of being able to dominate the line up front and the line of scrimmage and assert your dominant. Now, you have carried, this is what the critics are going to say. I mean, he's a workhorse. He carried the ball 300 times last couple of years, you know, running backs, the odometer on him.

And we're worried about that. What do you say to the critics who say you've carried the ball too much? So really, I mean, I think you mentioned it earlier in the introduction. Not only have I not missed a game, I haven't missed a practice at all in my three years at the university due to injury. And you kind of say pick your poison. You know, you obtain these amount of yards and, you know, you have these carries. But you say would you rather have me less of a yard, less of a career? So you kind of have to pick your poison.

But like I said, I haven't missed a practice or a game at all my three years due to injury. Your first, I went back and looked at you weren't a pass receiving target early. Last year it felt like Wisconsin wanted to get you more into the passing game last year. Is that right? Yes, that's definitely true. You know, a lot of people think that, you know, I had to work on, you know, catching a ball. you know, to get better at was my lack of ability. When you think it was constant football, you think of power, you think a gap.

You don't really think of getting your back out in space, making place through the air. And Coach Chris made it a constant effort to put that in this game to allow me to showcase that. So, you know, kudos to coach Chris. And I think it definitely opened up a lot of different assets, a lot of different players in the game by being able to do that. Jonathan Taylor, great Wisconsin running back, just a terrific college career. typical badger tough as a $4 steak they're all tough up there you had a early March if I recall in early March you did did you have a pro day you I know before the virus you know kind of hit the nation did anybody what kind of situation did you have in early March did you work out for some

people yeah so I had I had a pro day March 11th which was a week after the combine and at the time it was kind of a quick turnaround. You're like, I prepare for the Combine, and then you turn around, you have to prepare for Pro Day. And now that you look back on it, you're like, I'm thankful that I had such an early Pro Day so that I was able to get that in and showcase me catching a ball again.

But I feel for the guys who didn't get an invite for the Combine and were banking on Pro Day. I had them canceled. So I'm just grateful I was able to attend the Combine and Pro Day. Give me a little bit about your background, high school, parents. I mean, you seem really incredibly grounded. When did you fall in love with football?

So I really started to fall in love with football my sophomore year of high school. So I originally started playing football because of my cousin. My cousin, he would always come outside and play with us when we were younger a little bit before sixth grade. And then eventually that stopped around sixth grade, he would always say he couldn't come outside because he had to play. he had to go to football practice. So eventually I asked my mom to sign up, and one thing led to another after getting put on

your butt a couple of times and then asking the coach trying to find different ways to get better so that doesn't happen. And then once I hit high school, you know, the game just grew on me, the competition, the work that it takes to become great. And that's really how it got started. So people can interview you for 18 minutes at the combine. How many interviews did you? I'm sure you did very well with them.

How many did you have? probably had about 20, like, formal, formal interviews. Oh, my gosh. I mean, luckily they broke them up into, you know, the couple of days we were there. I mean, I know some guys had a bulk of them in one day, so that was pretty good. Oh, my Lord. By 20 interviews. That would just, were there teams?

You don't have to be specific. Were there teams that were really organized and then teams that were weird during the interviews? Yeah, so there were teams who, when you got, when you walked in, there was everyone sitting there, GM, head coach, position coach, asking you about your background and then go over a little bit of film or, you know, some of the schemes that they run. Then there were some teams where it wasn't someone leading a discussion. It was the OC would ask the question, and then the director of college scouting behind you would ask a question. And, you know, I think they just tried to do that to see, you know, how would you respond to that? just the jumbling of people asking questions from different areas of the room.

So was there anybody like famous? Like did you ever go to the Patriots and Belichick asked anything? So I didn't get to speak to the Patriots, but I did get to meet Pete Carroll, which was cool because he's one of those coaches that, you know, you always see on TV and you're like, man, he seems like a great person,

seems like he really cares about his players. And, you know, I definitely did get that vibe from him at the combat. So when you talk to team, and now you've had this great career. So now in four to five, six days, you're going to be drafted in the NFL. Are you, Jonathan, nervous? Are you anxious?

Like, where's your mind at right now? Really anxious to see where I go. You know, you go to college and you somewhat have a choice because, you know, you have some different authors and it's really your decision. So you're really anxious to see, you know, where are you going to spend the next few years of your life at?

And really, it's kind of the beginning of your adult life. You know, you go to college and, you know, that's where you kind of grow up and are on your own. But now it's like you're a professional now, and you want to know where you're going to start your life off at, really. Yeah. Wisconsin football Camp Randall is crazy. It's hard to explain.

I've been there a couple of times. It's hard to explain to people that haven't been to Wisconsin. Now, when you go to Wisconsin, it's cold and they drink a lot of beer. Did you love it? Did you love it at first sight? Oh, I love Madison at first sight. I had got that feel, that college town feel. It wasn't like a huge city feel like New York where it was endless.

But it definitely was an area where it was full of life, but also you can feel that community vibe. And, you know, if people in Madison aren't wearing green and yellow, they're wearing red and white. Yeah. Well, I just think you're going to be a great pro. I think you have the right attitude. And don't listen to anybody.

Running backs have value. and you do, and I wish you the best of luck. You obviously have been incredibly prepared for this, and I thank you for joining our show. No, thank you so much. I appreciate you having me on. All right. Jonathan Taylor, we're trying to bring on, you know,

occasionally bring a kid on a show every couple days. The players I really think will pop. I mean, when you listen to that interview, he just, everything's right. Everything's right. He literally said, I never missed a practice at Wisconsin. Think about how many days you wait. wake up in Madison in November and December, and it's 19 degrees.

And you've got a final. He didn't miss a practice. He didn't miss a practice. And by the way, he's a star. He's not likes a backup. He's a star who could, you know, big man on campus. I like him. We take for granted those kids' schedules.

They're brutal. I have friends whose kids play college baseball. They're never in school. They're on the road constantly. I talked to the parents. They're always at a baseball game. I mean, we don't understand how the time and the commitment. I got to tell you, man, I talk to Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman.

How impressive were they? They were great. I mean, I'm 22 years old. I'm running down halls at a high school pulling fire extinguishers. I don't know. I'm a mess. These guys are so grown up and so mature. The only thing I have going for me is Chrissy Teigen loves the show.

That is it. Huge. fan of our work. Okay, Bruce Feldman. You know, I've got, you know, some thoughts. Michael Jordan's documentary is Sunday. I'm really excited for it. So next week's going to be Sunday I get the Jordan doc.

I absolutely love the NFL draft. So I think we're fine here for about two to three weeks on this show. But if we get to June and you're telling me I don't get the NBA, I'm going to be in a lousy mood. I'm just going to tell you right now, I'm not going to be in the greatest mood. Get your free credit scorecard today, even if you're not a Discover customer. It includes your FICA credit score. Check your scorecard. It will not hurt your credit.

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in Los Angeles, this is the hurt. Wherever you may be and however, you may be listening. We are on IHeart radio. We're on Fox Sports Radio and we are on FS1. You know, you wear a headset when you're on radio. And I have big ears, so this thing is kind of painful for me. I cannot wait to get back into our TV studio with Joy Taylor and I. It's not that IHeart hasn't been great.

I love I heart, but the TV studio, I don't have to wear these big clunky headsets. and somebody cuts my hair every week. And I have, it's just, you know, again, my problems are not real problems. But, yeah, I have been spoiled at Fox Sports. I'm not going to lie. But we're all going through this stuff. I've had some incredible days where I just yesterday came home to the pool. Two o'clock had a cocktail, went on a long run.

And I hope everybody's getting through it. I do think Michigan now says May 1st. They're going to restart the economy. me, I don't think you, I think we manage all medical situations. I got into an argument yesterday with somebody. And I said, listen, we manage mental health. We manage physical health. That's what we do.

You can't, you're not going to win and go to zero cases. It's just not the way the game works. And because, yes, I mean, grownups can now pivot to economy questions. We have to think about that. We can't shut the economy down for 18 months. And there's also something going on that I don't think a lot of my Democrat friends want to discuss because I think they hate the president. so much. They like seeing him in chaos. Folks, we got 22 million people unemployed. We got domestic

abuse cases spiking, child abuse cases spiking. Suicides, 47,000 a year in this country will double. I think that's reasonable to assume. When you have this kind of dark, bleak economic situation, it is just not mentally healthy for children, for people in bad relationships. Even, even for people who are mostly stable. So I think this is a, it's a compounding thing. I think we have to do everything we can to give people rays of sunshine to get out a little, open up some beaches. I do believe in mask wearing for the rest of the year.

I do believe in social distancing. I do believe in no more than four people together at a time. But this is just not just a medical issue now. It is, it is moving into a lot of different issues. Cross my fingers. We can move on in two or three weeks. but I just I don't want to hear agendas and misinformation. I do think reasonable people now want to see us slowly drip, drip, drip, drip, drip,

get some things opened up and give people a little sunshine in their life and a little optimism. So Sunday, speaking of optimism, I am very, very fired up for the Michael Jordan 10-part documentary. It's on the place I used to work. They're promoting it heavily now. I think, you know, it's so many people in the media, you know, oh, we can't have the draft. We can't have free agency. Those are telephone businesses. Of course we can. It's like saying you can't air the

Jordan documentary. It's a TV business. It's a push a tape into a machine business. The draft is a phone business. We're all safe in terms of NFL personnel. We're going to be fine. I think it's what the nation needs. And I think it's really interesting.

Two things. Michael Jordan is a little concerned how he's going to come off on TV because with certain situations, he's pretty intense and sort of mean-spirited. My takeaway on that is there has been a wall built around Michael Jordan, and I felt it with Ronald Reagan, our president, that there was this Teflon quality built around him. And when people like you and made up their mind, they like you, it's almost impossible to get them to not like you. And I also think we are very

interesting in America. We give celebrities or CEOs or billionaires who have built big castles. We give them the benefit of the doubt on how they built it. When they made the movie Wall Street, remember the movie with Michael

Douglas was Gordon Gecko. When Oliver Stone made that movie, he did not want to portray Gordon Gecko as a good guy. He wanted to portray him as a creep and what was wrong with Wall Street. But that's not how people in America consumed it.

Gordon Gecko was a rock star. People thought he was awesome. Wall Street people wanted to mimic him. Greed is good. People loved that and quoted that speech. Because when you build up this empire, we just innately understand. It ain't easy. You got to yell at people.

You got to break some eggs. Nice guys don't win. So I don't think Michael Jordan's image will be in any way punctured. I think we'll understand that his is sometimes pettiness and grudge holding and mean-spirited nature is just what you got to do to win. And the second thing is Michael Jordan and Ronald Reagan, it's a different time. I remember once I had the former president Barack Obama on the show, and it was supposed to be like a seven-minute interview, right? They give you about seven, eight minutes.

And about seven minutes in, I asked him a question, and he went on for four minutes. And he didn't want to do it, but I asked him a question, and I knew he deeply cared about the question. And I remember, it was probably the best question I'd ever asked a president of the five I'd asked him. I said, you're the first president of my life. to face social media, the vile denigrating nature, the cruelty of social media. No other president in my lifetime has faced that.

And I don't know if I should compliment you. How does it land for you? Like, how do you think about that? And he went on for like four or five minutes. And we've just got to realize nobody's popular anymore. But those who were popular, Reagan's mythology. and Michaels, it's protected. Reagan didn't grow up with Twitter.

Michael didn't deal with Twitter. What we have with Michael now is a series of jumpers and great shots he makes and mythology, and we forget all the bad stuff. And my prediction is even after, nobody likes anybody anymore. You cannot find a prime minister. You cannot find a president. You can't find anybody. There's 210 countries or more in the world.

You can't find any that are truly popular for any extended period of time. I mean, I still can't figure out how Barack Obama was polarizing. He wore a brown suit once. He took us from a depression to a thriving economy at the end. And people just had decided, I don't like that guy because he wore a brown suit and he's a liberal. When you save the economy, check, I'm in it. I'm for you. So he was not divisive when he stood up at a podium.

It's just nobody's popular anymore. Nobody. I mean, LeBron James has done nothing wrong in 15 years. He'd never been arrested. He'd never been in trouble. He's been incredibly giving. He's been perfect. And he still is polarizing.

How is LeBron polarizing? He called himself the chosen one. Oh, good hell. That's part of our entertainment world. Every hip-hop star has got a 16, 17-year-old brand, a mantra, a label. Who cares? He doesn't walk around going, Hi, I'm LeBron.

People call me the chosen one. That's not what he does. So people now that aren't even polarizing are polarizing. But Michael grew up in a different culture, where he was protected, where we didn't see, we didn't hear all the bad stuff. We didn't see every misjumper. And so I think this Sunday documentary is going to take us to a time

that no longer exists and never will. I can remember covering Jordan in Orlando and then in Portland. And people just adored him. Nobody was trying to pry into his life and nobody was nitpicking. You went and you just loved it. You just enjoyed all of Michael Jordan. Now, in New York, you wanted the Knicks to beat him, but you still had so much respect for him. It wasn't cat calls and shots.

LeBron doesn't get that anymore. LeBron will never get that. It's just like I understand certain athletes are polarizing. I get it. Some are. Tom Brady's not polarizing. Tom Brady, you've got to be kidding me. He goes to the microphone. He took pay cuts for 15 years.

He is the best player in the sport. He took pay cuts for 15 years. He's a wonderful husband, a great dad. You can almost find no single spot of him at a podium saying something jerky. I mean, occasionally he yells at a team at a sideline. It's sports. Everybody. If he didn't do that, I wouldn't respect him. And he was

polarizing. It's just, when I watch this Jordan special, it's going to not take me just back to the Bulls. It takes me to a softer, kinder, less corrosive, gentler time. When it was okay to just worship people, it was just okay

to watch guys and go like, God, I love him. God, I love watching him play. I wish that's the, I mean, I love, I am glass half full, I think America's great. But can't you just watch them use? Last night, I sat and watched Amy Winehouse for 45 minutes. And I'm just like, I was like, man, we lost a great one.

Jesus. God. And it's like, you know, maybe it's all that negativity and pressure and angst. Why are athletes, as Adam Silver said, are so miserable? Why young rock stars take their lives? this constant pressure and constant skepticism and this constant folks just enjoy good just watch tom brady and tampa have a beer and just pump your fist unless you're playing him it doesn't exist and i miss i miss not to go down memory lane but i miss a time when you could just watch a guy like michael

jordan and all your friends were like damn that was fun goosebumps didn't matter if he was on your team? You weren't rushing to Twitter like some loser to his, yeah, he's not as good as that guy, not as who gave a rip. It was just fun. Maybe I have my memories of sports.

Are jaded. Maybe I'm painting life in a rose colored glasses. But can we just enjoy our singers and I enjoy our actors and they don't have to be in a list and you don't have to hate all of them? And can we just

love our stars. I mean, don't get me wrong. Baker Mayfield drives me crazy. But I think some of my criticisms been valid. Maybe I'm too harsh. But when you watch this Michael Jordan thing, just know that outside of New York where they couldn't get past him, I think even New Yorkers appreciated him is it was a great time in sports where you were allowed to just like somebody who wasn't on your team. And you didn't have to be critical. You could just be like, dude was great. He was imperfect. He was great. All right. I'm done. run-rant. That's my last big round of the week. Joy's just watching me like, he just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

He never makes a point. Okay. Bruce Feldman's right around the corner for the athletic. Are we going to have college football? I think the SEC is. I think the big 12 is. I think the big 10 is. I think the ACC would. I'm not sure, show sure about the PAC 12 and our governor. I'm dead serious on this. I don't know if the PAC 12 is going to have a season. I think everybody else is. it may get pushed back a little. We'll talk to Bruce Feldman, plus Jason McIntyre, tomorrow's headlines today. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

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Well, there's not very many people in America that watch more college football games live than Bruce Feldman. He's a writer for The Athletic, been covering college football. for 25 years. A Fox Sports College football reporter, he sidelines every week for us. So let's start with a big question.

College football season. You know, governors, we have federalism here in this country. Governors have power. The Florida governor, I would bet, and southern governors would probably push for the SEC to start. Gavin Newsom could very easily say California, no PAC 12 football games. But an overview, Bruce, what are you hearing about college football

people at the top of the sport and their thoughts about the upcoming season potentially being pushed back. Yeah, right now, Colin, I think they are trying not to look too far down the road in terms of they don't really know how this is going to play out the next month, you know, six weeks, two months. Because obviously they're up against the calendar in terms of when they need to have players back in camp. But also one of the things that's come out of this from talking to, the ADs and conference commissioners, not just coaches, is whatever discussion about, hey, maybe they'll play the games without fans and the fans, that's something a lot of powerful people in college athletics have said they do not see as happening.

And one of the things that has come up is, hey, if it's not safe for the fans come back, it's not going to be safe. How can we sell our players and our teams and our coaches that is safe for them to come back? So there's that issue. You know, the other issues that have kind of that have come up is when they, a lot of people look and say, okay, what would happen if? And they kind of start looking down the road. Some of the people I've talked to have really thought hard about, okay, if we had to, we would have be able to have a season later on. Maybe it's delayed.

Who knows? If it even had to go into starting in the winter and played out in the spring, still, who knows, if it had to be from, from. January to late March to that would be a really different kind of dynamic for them. But you got to keep in mind that there is so much money, especially TV money, tied into college football. That's driving the bus with colleges and college athletics. There's no college football season in the academic calendar year of 2021. So even if it's the 2020 season, but it doesn't actually happen until early 2021. They're going to have to go that route because of the money that's tied into it and how much, and they depend on it because there's one AD had told me a couple of weeks ago.

It's monumental in terms of the finances, impact of that. So that's a big deal. And I think right now you got to remember the presidents of the colleges are the ones in universities who are going to be having more influence of decisions than it. And certainly any football coach and even any AD. It's the presidents of the schools, conference commissioners will be involved in. And it's health officials around the country. And as you said, the SEC may feel a certain way. It may be something in the state of Florida and the state of Georgia.

You got to remember, the state of Louisiana has been hit really hard by COVID-19 already. So who knows what it's going to look like a month from now. All right. Justin Herbert, let's talk some players you saw a lot. Justin Herbert, you watched him six times. What do you make of him? Physically, really impressive. Really smart kid.

You know, he's got the 4-0 in, like, biology, and really likable kids. You know, in the workout stuff, I think he will wow people, big arm, athletic, tight end, almost-sized guy, thoughtful kids. The downside is in some of those games, as you mentioned, I mean, Colin, we had them against Michigan State in the red box bowl. It was kind of underwhelming. You know, we had them a few times where you're like, okay, you know, some throws are really good. But sometimes, you know, is it with the offense? not the right thing for him.

He didn't have a great group of receivers. He definitely didn't have what Tua or Joe Burrow had or even what Jalen Hertz had at OU. So that was something, okay, maybe we'll give him a little bit of half and they never had great receivers at Oregon. I could see why people are a little leery of him just because as impressive as the arm is, as impressive as the physical tools are. I think people are a little leery on maybe the presence that he had.

Can he command a room? Is you going to be able to come into an NFL organization and be able to do that? I think there's some genuine questions about that. And again, I go back to sometimes in the games, you know, when you had some of these other college quarterbacks we're going to be talking about, you knew that they were like the best player on the field. There were times where, you know, you were like, well, Justin, you know, it doesn't look like it should be the first, you know, top five pick.

If he really was that, it was. sometimes it would be a little underwhelming. Another guy you saw a ton of, Jalen Hertz, who I think is going to get drafted like third round. What did you make of him? You know, a great runner, really physical, strong kids. The parts where I could see people being a little skeptical is, and this was an issue at Alabama, and it was still an issue at Oklahoma, where he would hold the ball too long, he didn't really throw in anticipation.

That's the part that I think, especially in the NFL, where the windows are tighter. The windows are going to be way tighter in the NFL than they certainly were with the receivers he had Alabama or with the receivers he had at Oklahoma against those defenses in the Big 12. You're not going to have those kind of windows in the NFL.

So, you know, at one point an NFL scout had told me he compared him to Taysam Hill where he was like a really good runner, really tough guy, you know, had some arm strength. It's not like he doesn't have an NFL arm, but just there were some things where

was more of a work in progress. You know, I could definitely see somebody taking him in the third round. I would be a little surprised if he went somewhere, played early, and we came away really talking about how good of a passer he was. I mean, again, his arm isn't a concern. It's just the anticipation, how well he sees it, and those kinds of things, which are really critical at the NFL. I think two is too good of a talent to pass up.

What are your sources say in the sport? Yeah, as long as your medical people sign off on him, I mean, look, he has a terrific arm. He sees with anticipation. He triggers fast. He has some presence to him. The teammates and the coaches really responded well to him. All those things are good.

I think if your doctor and if your medical staff is comfortable with where he's at, to me, he should be a top five pick because with the other guys, and, you know, I like Justin Herbert, but him, Jordan Love, those other guys in the first round talk, like we're not really sure about them. You know, I feel like physically and mentally, I feel like Tua has everything to be an elite NFL quarterback, probably more so than a lot of guys who've been top 15 quarterback, top 15 picks overall, who've come into the NFL in the last, you know,

three or four years. You talk about that arm and talk about the way he sees the field. And also, when you're the quarterback in Alabama, especially since he took over, you are playing, you're getting everybody's best shot. And so I think that kind of environment bodes well for him. I mean, you know, look, it's not an accident that he went in and rallied Alabama, you know, from being down against Georgia on that stage.

I mean, that's not a, that wasn't a fluky thing. That's his, I think that's his kind of makeup. So I think that's something that should be a big chip in his pocket. You know, this, you live in the West Coast. and so you have obviously good sources everywhere, but you're the kind of guy that would have a source at Utah State. Jordan Love got on my radar a year and a half ago when Greg CoSell gave me a flyer or gave me some information,

he said, I want you to watch these guys over the next. And this was like a year and a half ago, so he gave me a Jordan Love file. And he goes, I think he's going to be the guy everybody's talking about. Well, he didn't have a very good last year at Utah State. I think some of that could be the coach. A lot of it could be. You don't have to name names, but what are people saying that you've asked about Jordan Love at Utah State?

Because on tape, if you go back to a sophomore year, man, Bruce, he is spinning it. He's got a big arm. He's running around. He looks like the NFL in 2020. He does. You know, look, all the credit to his old coach, and that's Matt Wells, who's now at Texas Tech. He's really the only one in major college football who went out on a limb for him. He was a skinny kid from Bakersfield who threw it well, who went to their camp.

They fell in love with him. They developed the offense. It really fit him. When Matt Wells got the Texas Tech job, he and his offense coordinator of Dave Yos left, and Utah State tried to replicate what they did without really the guys who do what was in the recipe of the sauce. And it didn't work very well. And he really struggled. You saw a lot of inconsistency.

I really thought that you might see Jordan Love go as a grad transfer someplace else, maybe even to Texas Tech. to kind of show, okay, the film I put out last year, that's not me. I'm more than that. And he didn't. He decided to come into the NFL. I mean, he's definitely got the arm and the physical tools to intrigue people. The stuff I had heard from coming out of the combine from NFL quarterback coaches I knew was they weren't, they weren't that impressed with him when they met with him.

And I think there's a little bit of a pause on him. And the thing, and you can say the thing. to some degree with all the quarterbacks is, well, it's critical what kind of situation may go in in the NFL to their success. I think with Jordan Love, it is crucial, more so to like times five than almost any of these other quarterbacks. If he doesn't go into a really ideal situation in the NFL, I think he will really struggle just because of seeing how he how he really went on the roller coaster ride when Matt Wells and that staff left. And again, it wasn't like it wasn't like Utah State, yeah, they played LSU last season, but it wasn't like, you know,

everything radically changed about who they were playing competition-wise. It was just, it didn't really look like the same guy. Finally, a couple of minutes. I saw a story the other day. If we don't have a college football season, it's a $4 billion loss. And there will be massive cutbacks of college sports in the country, which I'm not opposed to. I think the NCAA model is a little bit of a jenga game where you can pull, you know, pull a couple of things out and it all tumbles down. I don't think universities need 35 teams, you know, 32 or revenue losers. So I don't have a, I had this conversation yesterday, Bruce. I'd have football at schools, men and women's basketball, men and women's soccer, because I do think soccer's a global sport.

I'd have men and women's baseball and soft pitch, a fast pitch. And then I would allow each school to have eight Olympic sports, four men, four women, Olympic sports. then after that, I'm just not putting 25 more programs up that lose money, men or women. So, but what do you buy this, you know, $4 billion? The college sports will never be the same if we don't have football. You buy it or hype? Yeah, I know I buy that part because football is all the money. But the thing that I think, and I didn't realize this until talking to some ADs in the last couple of weeks,

is there's going to be a lot of stuff that's going to have to change because we're on uncharted waters with all this COVID-19 stuff. But what won't change is the Title IX laws. So when you're talking about that kind of legislation, schools are going to have to have a certain level of flexibility because you have to have a number that balances out. You're talking about 85 scholarships in college football. Where is that balance going to be when it comes to women's sports? So I could definitely see some non-revenue, which is almost everything that's not football, getting getting, getting, getting, cut because they would have to keep a Title IX balance. So you could see, you know, we've already seen soccer at Cincinnati.

We'll see a lot more sports, I think, that are going to end up going under and getting cut because those things were already probably on people's radar as potential chops. And this will give them probably more impetus to do that. But I think there's going to have, there's going to end up being a balance to it because of the Title IX piece of it. So you could see certain men's sports that are going to have to, that are going to have to get cut because they're going to have to keep the balance of we've got to have college football, and then we have to have certain women's sports because of Title IX.

And so I think that's going to force them to make some, they're going to make hard decisions anyway, but it's going to force them to make, you know, a lot of them that I think they're going to have to do a real juggling act in the face of this, no matter really what happens going forward. The Athletics Bruce Feldman, Fox Sports Bruce Feldman. Thanks, buddy. Always a pleasure, Colin. Thank you. Drive Elite, testosterone immune support.

Go to MDrive for men.com. The coach heard 20% off. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no. This is the herd line news. Well, the Jaguars have made several trades since the start of the 2019 season to reach a total of 12 picks in this year's draft. And GM, Dave Caldwell is putting pressure on the organization to get every pick right.

He said this is the most draft capital we've had here and we need to hit on all 12. That's our philosophy. want to make every one of them counts. Oh, that's a nice goal. I don't want to burst his bubble, but generally. He actually has, my guys like him, he's actually got a really sharp eye for, their problem's never been that don't have talent. They, again, they're like, what we told, they're like Tampa.

They've had talent. They just can't get the quarterback. You know, they had Mark Brunel for a while, but they just can't get the quarterback, right. Tampa and Jacksonville have had all sorts of Pro Bowl elite players last 10 years, tons of them. Yeah, I would throw the dolphins in there too. I mean, you can acquire as much talent as you want.

If you don't have the guy, it really doesn't matter. But I would say, well, it's always great to have a goal, your goal be perfection. Progress is more realistic. Nobody hits on all 12 or all of their draft picks even if they don't have 12. Actually, the more you have, the more likely you're not going to hit on all of them. But they did trade Jalen Ramsey, Cleas Campbell, A.J. Bouillet, and Nick Foles. And they have the ninth pick and the 20th pick in the first round. mock drafts have, you have them taking Jerry Judy from Alabama, who is being spoken of very

highly, but if he does end up going to Jacksonville, might not end up having the career that some people expect, because as we've just discussed, they don't really have the guy yet. Now, they could make some other moves because they do have a lot of draft capital. But again, what we've been saying, looking forward to next week, because there's a lot of teams that need a lot of pieces and have a lot of draft capital could make some really big trades. So expectations are now much higher for the Buccaneers than they have been because they added Tom Brady and wide receiver Chris Godwin is ready to get to work with his new quarterback. I'm a completely different person than anybody else that he's played with and he's a different quarterback than any other quarterback that I play with. So I think the biggest thing in terms of getting adjusted is really just having conversations with Tom or trying to get a feel for what he likes as from his receivers and kind of what he expects to make sure we're on the same page.

That's right. Makes a good point. He's very excited to get to work with Brady, and I'm sure there's a lot of anxiety, especially for the Buccaneers organization that all of this is going on. Obviously, everyone is dealing with this, as we know, but when you are the Buccaneers and you just acquired the greatest quarterback of all time, and you can't get him and his receivers together, I'm sure there's an extra layer of anxiety. Again, I don't think that we're going to have unrealistic expectations of anyone this year as fans or as media, I would hope not. I think there's going to be a few surprises that we weren't expecting, and I think that we have to consider that everybody is up against it with the state of the world.

That said, according to Fox Bet, the odds to win the NFC South are obviously the Saints minus 118, Buccaneers plus 180, Falcons plus 600, and the Panthers plus 1,600. Panthers are going to be a lot better than people think. They're going to score a bunch of points. I still will lean to the Saints in this situation, but yeah. So finally, the Warriors dynasty may never have happened if a blockbuster trade went through back in 2011 in his new book, The Victory Machine, Ethan Strauss reported that Golden State tried to make a trade with the New Orleans Hornets for Chris Paul. And both Steph Curry and Clay Thompson were included in the offer. Strauss also said that this was not the only time the Warriors shopped Steph and Clay and the team was blind lucky that they were never successful in trading the stars.

The deal was very close to completion. Myers made the offer and the Hornets GM Del Demps was receptive. That is really crazy to think about if that trade would have went through. Isn't it so funny when you look back on history, some things, you know, you thought you wanted. It never happened and it ended up being the best thing could ever happen to you. It's really wild how these things turn out. That trade goes through and you went from being, you go from being a genius to making the biggest mistake. Maybe in sports history.

I mean, if you look at the influence that Steph Curry's had on the league and now the history that the Golden State Warriors have made with their championships, it's just wild to think that they were shopping Steph and Clay like that. That's sometimes how it goes. Yeah, Clay dropped a little in the draft. I think he smoked a little bud in college. Somebody saw it doesn't bother me, but it bothered some. And then Steph had the injury early, which allowed the warriors to sign him to a cheaper contract. So, yeah, I mean, Steph was a small guy who liked to take shots from 34 feet with, you know, little injury history. So to your point, though, it's, it's the difference between success and utter

humiliation is often perilously thin. It really is. Sometimes you just get lucky. You can think you want something really badly and it just doesn't come through for you and that's just not the way the universe wanted it to play out. Yeah, Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News. One of my favorite segments of the week, Jason McIntyre, uh, tomorrow's Predicted today. I love this coming up. Get your free credit scorecard today, even if you're not a Discover customer.

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He's our best football player, but he's a safety. They don't want to pay him a ton. He didn't show up for some virtual workout. So Jamal Adams are the New York Jets. If you're the New York Jets, you need a corner. You actually have Marcus May, who's a very good safety. You need a starting corner, a pass rusher, a left tackle. They have George Fant from the Seahawks, but he's a guy I trust on the right side, not the left side.

So Jason McIntyre is joining us. That's kind of, what do you make of that? You know, listen, he's a great player, but they've got two great safeties. I mean, Jamal's amazing. What do you make of that? What do you make of that? This goes back to a couple months. Like, he wants to get paid.

Like, he's one of the best players in the league. He's a great football player, Colin. But as you just said, at the foundational position, left tackle, jets don't have anybody. Edge rusher, nope, cornerback. They don't have one. So, like, yeah, Jerry Jones wants to overpay for Jamal Adams. Dude, I'm a big fan of your work. I follow you on Instagram, but Sayonara, enjoy Dallas,

and we'll take all the draft picks. and maybe an offensive lineman to boot. Yeah, no, if I was the Jets, I mean, I'd love to have him, but if you're going to give me a first round pick, if you can give me an offensive lineman, the Jets at the most important positions in football, they've got one I like, the quarterback. Listen, it hurts me to say this, Colin.

They have one of the most talent deficient rosters in the league. They're really near the bottom of the league in that, and they've got to turn it around. Donald's on the rookie contract. All right, here we go. Tomorrow's headlines today, Jason McIntyre, What will the headline be after the last dance Sunday, the Michael Jordan documentary? Yeah, I know you've been waxing poetic about Michael Jordan all week.

Well, Colin, Monday morning, the headline will be the last dance as the goat. I do believe this is like Jordan Swan song, because you know I'm on board, Colin. I think history will view LeBron James as the greatest player in NBA history. He's not there yet. He needs one more title. I think this year could do it. And again, people are going to throw stuff at the screen. Maybe Chrissy Teigen's going to get angry.

Listen, it's not just about six rings for Jordan. Because if you want to go by rings, Colin, you know, hey, Bill Russell has 11. He's the guy. If you want to go by rings, John Havlicek has eight. Karim Abdul-Jabbar has six. You've got to take everything into account. And I can't get over the fact that LeBron is about to go to the finals with his third team. I mean, think about that.

Anywhere he goes, he makes them instantly a contender. The guy's had an incredible career. Do believe Jordan is the goat now. LeBron will surpass it. All right. Tomorrow's headlines today from one Jordan to another, which team will draft Jordan Love? Yeah, well, Colin, you know, I used to cover the NFL Combine. I made some good contact.

I heard this back in February after the combine, Jordan Love. The headline will be. Oh, geez, I forgot the headline. Sorry. All right. It's okay. Jordan Love and the New England Patriots. It's going to work perfect together.

Bill Belichick gets his guy. And Cullen, now Love is kind of a polarizing figure at quarterback, right? He was awesome two years ago, 32 touchdown, 6'6. This past year he struggled. But people don't talk enough about how he lost his head coach, lost his offensive coordinator, lost nine starters. I'm telling you, Belichick will go into camp with Stidham as the guy, right? And Brian Hoyer, who's been with the Patriots, four times,

will be the backup. Jordan love to New England. I love the pick. I love the fish. By the way, Ian Rappaport had a story yesterday saying New England with a primary pick, perhaps is seeking a quarterback. So if he falls down to, you know, once they can't go all the way up to three, maybe to get the draft capital. But if he falls to like, if somebody doesn't have him by 11 or 12, then New England can move up with all those 12 picks. Okay. tomorrow's headlines today.

What will the headline be after Tua gets drafted? Yeah, you remember, I came on the show. I believe it was March 5th, and I said Tua takes it tumble, was the headline. You kind of scoffed. I know you're all in on Tua, Colin. The headline will be tag. The Raiders are it. Now, not a lot of people talking about the Raiders getting a quarterback.

I'm told they've looked at Jalen Hertz in depth, the Oklahoma, Alabama quarterback. However, there's a chance toa does fall out of the top 10. I know that's going to sound forward to a lot of people. Colin, these injury reports are scaring a lot of teams. Now, guess what? Gruden has the safety net of the huge contract with the Raiders. So if Tua can fall, the Raiders can grab him around the 12th pick. They could redshirt him.

We know that Gruden is over. Derek Carr, okay? They got Mario to this off season. Carr, we don't know if he'll play next season for them, or they cut him after this season. put your red shirt, Tua, Tua in Vegas with Gruden. Colin, that is exciting, very enticing. Keep an eye on the Raiders and Tua heading into the draft.

All right, this is confusing me. Tomorrow's headlines today, what will the headline be after the NFL rookie of the year is announced? Okay, so I like this guy a lot. I've been pumping him up. Okay, he's going to be the number one pick in the draft. And, of course, we had to have fun with this. Colin, the headline will be the Tiger King of the 2020 NFL draft. Joe Burrow, the Tiger King, of course, LSU, and Cincinnati.

Now, Colin, Joe Burrow, obviously he's not your favorite guy. We get that. I watch a show daily. We talk frequently. You're not all in on Burrough. I'm telling you, keep an eye on T. I do a lot of gambling. I'm going to be gambling on Cincinnati overs next year.

Listen, hear me out. They get their left tackle, Jonah Williams, the number one pick from Alabama last year, right? He missed the entire season. He's back. Joe Mixen, very capable running back. At receiver, A.J. Green, we know when healthy. He wasn't last year. He's very good.

Tyler Boyd emerged as a really good number two. John Ross, your guy from the Northwest as a number three. This offense will be built around Burrow. And you talk to people around the league, they think he could have a Kyler Murray-type impact. Tyler Murray, of course, had like 3,700 yards, 20 touchdowns in Arizona. I'm telling you, Joe, Burrow, bet the money, rookie of the year in the NFL next year, number one pick.

By the way, let's go back to the story, the New York Jets. This is kind of a breaking thing. The Jets, Jamal Adams could be on the trade block. You know, in the NFL, as Jason and I were talking, there's like five positions, you know, that you have to get right. Quarterback, left tackle, edge rusher, wide receiver, cornerback. And the Jets have their quarterback. They don't have a left tackle.

They don't have an edge rusher. they don't really have a wide receiver and they're weak at corner. So safety, and safety is one of those positions. I mean, Seattle didn't even want to pay Earl Thomas at the end. Yeah, no, certainly. And you remember the Legion of Boom, Colin, had the two great safeties, Cam Danciler and Earl Thomas. But they were great because of the entire secondary, right?

Richard Sherman was phenomenal. Locked down half the field. Jets can't lock down anything. And you can't go out and pay Jamal Adams top dollar. when you have such a bad rest of the roster. I mean, Colin, running back situation, Levy on Bell, we know him and the coach have friction. They just lost their number one receiver in Robbie Anderson. They got four new offensive linemen this year.

Four. And they're going to draft one. The Jets are just going through a makeover. I just don't think you can pay Jamal Adams. And again, he's a phenomenal talent. He won one game for them single-handedly last year. Yeah, he's a great player. Yeah, immensely talented.

But no safety is ever going to be. the guy who completely changes the game. Like, you know, Troy Paula Mala was an amazing safety. Ed Reef, they had Hall of Famers around them, you know? Like, I just, I can't make a safety. My highest paid player on the team. I can't do it. So where do the Cowboys, where is the Cowboys first?

Because Jamal Adams is getting a first round pick. You're going to get a 30. Yeah, well, Jamal Adams, I think, went sixth overall. The Cowboys are sitting at 17th. Okay. 17's not going to be enough. Okay. No, wait, no, wait.

No, wait. No, wait. The Jets have 11. Would the Jets take the 17th pick in the draft for Jamal Adams. I think you'd take a 17 and I'd want another two, but that you could get a third. Let me ask you this. I can give you the 17th pick in the first round this year to go with your 11th, and I'll give you a third round pick next year. Would you do it? No, that's not enough. You could get more than that. And remember, Jerry Jones is for a safety.

He's desperate. Why can't you say, Jerry, toss in one of those offensive linemen that you're not going to be able to pay. They can't afford them. They're all too expensive. They've already. They're all way too expensive. They need draft picks because they're paying C.J. Mosley a fortune and Lavin'Bel of fortune. They need draft picks. They don't need another $13 million a year offensive. And by the way, Tyron Smith is good, but he's all banged up and can't give you 16 games anymore. See, here's what I love what the Cardinals did with Kyla Murray.

They just added Hopkins, a game-changing receiver. With your quarterback on the rookie deal, you can pay guys. That's what the Jets should be doing. Like, I get drafting rookies and adding players. But if they want to contend and get a playoff spot, I mean, the Patriots could be waning. Do you trust the Buffalo builds? Like, the Jets in the next two years could make the leap.

But not if they're adding second and third round picks, Colin. Jason McIntyre. Good talking to you, buddy. Hey, man, good stuff. Have a good weekend. Elite testosterone, immune support. Check out MDrive Elite. Go to MDrivefermen.com code, heard 20% off your first month.

Joy, great week. Great week, Joy. Draft week next week, Joy. Let's do it. Let's do it. Hope you have a great weekend. Be safe. Socially distanced the hurt.

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