The Herd with Colin Cowherd - QB contracts, Browns, Tom Brady-Patrick Mahomes, & Brian Kelly

Episode Date: October 9, 2019

Colin explains witch NFL players have leverage when it comes to their contract, why he feels the Cleveland Browns are the luckiest team in the NFL, why he disagrees with NFL executives who picked Patrick Mahomes over Tom Brady, and why he thinks Notre Dame HC Brian Kelly should go to the NFL. Guests include Nick Wright, Bruce Gradkowski, Joel Klatt, and Walter Jones. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll be joining us today, and Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Good morning. You know, I'm thinking, Joy, we talk about, we talk a lot about this Dak Prescott because he doesn't have a contract yet, and Jerry keeps getting asked about the contract. And let me tell you how the whole negotiation thing works. It's not about stats, and it's not just about wins.

Negotiations are about leverage. they're about how bad is your company need you? Do they have somebody that can replace you? That's why Howard Stern makes $90 million a year. There was no backup to Howard Stern. He was carrying FM radio. So his value is the greatest ever in the history of radio. Rush Limbaugh is good, but there's Hannity, there's Savage, there's FM people.

So Rush gets a lot of money, but Howard makes two to three times as much. It's leverage, not just ratings. When you look at Dak Prescott, we're all getting caught up. Well, he won. He's struggling in the stats. First of all, Jerry Jones has his back. Here's what Jerry Jones said about Dak struggling recently in his number. The narrative about his financial as opposed to how he's playing is frankly laughable.

It's just not that way. It's too much on both ends. Too much for Dak to equate his performance stats or one loss. here these first two or three games. Let me get that real clear. It is not impacting that with me at all. Okay. Here's the way, instead of rating DAC as a quarterback, you know, which is very subjective, I look at it right now in a perfect order. If you listed the top quarterbacks in the league, perfect order on their importance to the team, leverage, percentage of offense, you know, durability, age, all those comprise leverage.

Think of the word leverage. You go and negotiate and you got leverage. There's only 10 guys in the league to me that have the advantage over ownership in leverage. Number one is Patrick Mahomes. He's the new Uber talent. Number two is Russell Wilson, the greatest playmaker at quarterback of my life. Aaron Rogers is three. Have you seen the Packers without him?

Carson Wentz is the closest thing to Mahomes. He's four. Tom Brady is five. Age hurts him. Belichick's greatness hurts him, but he makes everything work. Deshawn Watson, have you seen that offense without him? Remember the Brock Osweiler years? Number six, Jimmy Garoppolo. Listen, they're 10 and 2 with him. They've got an amazing offensive coach, and he's the trigger man for it. Jared Goff is eight. Todd Gurley's injury actually gives him more leverage. They've never needed Goff more. Number nine is Big Ben down the list because of injuries and age, but you watched the Steelers last week?

And number 10, Drew Breeze. Bridgewater moving in and winning gives you a glimpse of the separation between Drew and Teddy. It's not as great as you think. After those 10, the leverage to me goes to the ownership. Those 10 have the leverage. But Matt Ryan, well, Matt Ryan's better than Dak. He's under 500 since Kyle Shanahan left. I, as an owner, would squeeze Matt Ryan for every penny.

I would go back. I would push back on his agent. I'd say, you know, a lot of these young quarterbacks are working. He's not much of an athlete. Since Kyle Shanahan left, his numbers are okay, but he can't win games. Well, Derek Carr is better than Dak. I think so. But last year was a mess with Gruden.

This year is good with Gruden, but how much is Derek Carr and how much is that awesome running back from Alabama? Colin Matt Stafford is better than Dak. Yeah, but you could actually win an occasional playoff game or a division. You're getting kind of old. And frankly, there's a lot of good young college quarterbacks. So actually, Dak, outside of the 10, Dak's got as much leverage as anybody else. The owner likes him in a franchise that has chaos.

He's a leader. Is he limited? Yes, but does Dallas really want to with all these young players want to go roll the dice in another quarterback? We too often look at quarterbacks and we say, well, this guy's better, this guy's better, this guy's better, this guy's better. It's not a better thing. I've been in this business almost 30 years in radio and TV. And I've worked with people who are pretty talented with big leverage and people who are really talented with not a lot of leverage. Dax leverage point.

It's in the Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Philip Rivers. By the way, Philip Rivers is better than Dack. But if you're the Chargers right now, aren't you going, he's 0 and 9 against Brady? Mahomes now in our division. Really? I mean, we shouldn't draft a quarterback?

So for all those who bang on Dack, he is with the majority of the NFL quarterbacks. has some leverage, but he's not a blank check guy, and Jerry has every right to push back aggressively to his agent and get the number he wants. And never forget, Jerry's done this a lot. Jerry can talk all he wants. Jerry's got a number in his head right now.

Jerry's got a number. He may move off that number a little. That number could be 29 and a half, but Jerry's done this for 25 years. He has got a number, and it's not a blank check. Let me shift to this. I am America's honesty broker. I am often critical of people, but there's no agenda here.

When teams are good, they're good, when they're bad. Yesterday, I crushed Baker Mayfield because he was atrocious. But I also said I predicted Cleveland would be 9 and 7, and I still think they're going to finish at 9 and 7. Freddie Kitchens talked about yesterday, not panicking. chances. Yes, the Browns are exactly where I thought they would be, and I told you yesterday, they will finish at 9 and 7, at worst 8 and 8. But here's the truth about the Browns when everybody thinks in Cleveland the world's picking on the Browns. You are the luckiest team actually in the NFL.

You're incredibly lucky. First of all, think about this. Andrew Luck retired. Roadblock removed. Big Ben in your division. Play him twice. Hurt. Removed. Sam Darnold, week two, mono, removed. What other team has those breaks through five games? Oh, by the way, you get the one team in the NFL that's tanking on your schedule, Miami. By the way, the AFC North now, and I don't even think it's arguable, is easily the worst division in football.

They're 3 and 11 out of division, and the wins are the dolphins, jets, and Arizona. Your season would be over in the NFC West. It would be over in the NFC North. Also this year, it's six different times this year. The Browns will face a coach in his first year with his new team. That's among the highest percentage in the NFL. That's almost half your schedule. Listen, if you beat Seattle this weekend, if you beat Seattle this weekend,

Monday night was the low point of your season. It's all in your lap. That's the low point of the season. If you beat Seattle, you're 500. Now, here's the problem. If you lose to Seattle this weekend, I think it unravels, because then you go to New England, two Denver and Buffalo. And Buffalo and New England are the two best defenses in this league.

and Denver is two clock-expiring field goals from having a winning record. Good luck in that altitude. It's rough. If you want to talk about luck, the Colts have had terrible luck. Two weeks before the season, Andrew Luck retires. Then, early in the season, Darius Leonard, their best defensive player, gets hurt. That's bad luck. Bad luck is the New York Jets, whose star quarterback gets a high school sickness.

Mono. I don't know anybody that's had mono in 25 years. It happens generally not to franchise quarterbacks. Colts and Jets have had lousy luck. Cleveland's been the luckiest team in the league. And if they beat Seattle at home, and I think they can, Monday night was the low point. Monday night was the low point.

You're going to get the Steelers twice without Big Ben, a Ravens team at home that can't pass. Cincinnati, the worst team outside of Miami on the planet twice, and Miami. The official NFL tanking team haven't had one of those since the Colts pre-Andrew Luck. So this Cleveland, you can bellyache about the media picking on you. You have gotten incredible, incredible breaks this year. Andrew Luck, Big Ben, and Sam Darnold. retire, hurt, and mono.

That should be your brand this year. He retired, he got hurt, he got mono. Beat Seattle, your 500. Money's your low point. All right, good stuff. I saw something that is quite, you know, you know I like lists, and you know I like, you know, I'm kind of into lists and rankings and stuff like that. It's the way my brain works.

I like it. I saw officially the dumbest one ever. Yeah. And I'm going to express my dismay. And Tom Brady finished number one, but it's who finished number two, Patrick Mahomes, that is just a head scratcher. It's coming up.

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So you get one quarterback, one game. Apparently, these executives work formerly at Blockbuster Video and Radio Shack and potentially Enron. So Tom Brady obviously got the most votes. Patrick McHolm's got half the votes of Tom Brady. No time out. I'm just going to, again, let's talk one game, right? sort of like Tom and Patrick did play that one game.

It was called a playoff game in Kansas City, and Patrick couldn't score in the first half. Here's Patrick Mahomes, a super talented kid. Here's the biggest six one game situations in his career. New England playoffs AFC Championship. Lost. Indianapolis playoffs won. Regular season, Sunday night football, New England.

Lost. Monday night football against the Rams. The game moved from Mexico. Lost. Thursday night football against the Chargers at Arrowhead, where they could have lost home field advantage. Lost. Sunday night football against Seattle and Russell Wilson. Ooh, the next Russell Wilson.

Lost. Again, sorry, sorry if my facts get in the way of your pom-poms. He's one in five in his six biggest NFL games. By the way, he's lost his last four primetime games. Thursday night football, Sunday night football, Monday night football. He's 0.4. Now, I'm not saying he's Kirk Cousins, but let's go to Tom Brady's last nine playoff games. He's eight and one.

The one he lost, he threw for over 500 yards. Okay? I like Patrick Mahomes. First of all, Big Ben should be nowhere near this list. If there's a second, it's Russell Wilson. I mean, how many times does he have to be great late for us to go, ha, ha, ha. Patrick Mahomes has not proven he can win the big single game.

He's proven he's talented. He's proven that he's exciting. He's proven that he's a franchise quarterback. He's proven that he's worth a ton of money. He is proven without a shadow of a doubt. He is the future, not only of the Chiefs, not only of the AFC West, but perhaps the future of the AFC and the NFL. That I'm not denying.

But the executives were asked to pick one quarterback to win one game. We do not know. In fact, the current evidence is he loses those games. Four turnovers against the Rams. Big turnover against New England. Couldn't score in the first half in the playoff game. Folks, this is, that shows you half the executives in this league should be working at Blockbuster video. Because that's just not smart.

By the way, the only one that was quoted said, really? Really? Said one scouting director, give me the goat. Yeah. There's only room for one goat in this little barn. There's one goat. There's no other goat. Joy with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Do Aaron Rogers on that list? No, Aaron's not on that list. I would have, basically, to me, it was Brady, Russell, Aaron, and then you can have everybody else. I mean, everybody else can do stuff, but the only thing I have a question about Mahomes now, can he win the game?

That's the only thing I question. That list is all about... I mean, I don't even think if that's fair to put Mahomes in that conversation yet. He hasn't even been in the league long enough to play enough of the single standing game. We're including regular season games in that spot. Like there are situations in football where you need someone to win one game. It's called the playoffs. By the way, Russell Wilson went to Foxborough and beat Tom Brady.

And that was, remember that was a Sunday night game. And by the way, the other time he had him down to the one yard line. So I think Russell Wilson must look at some of these surveys sometimes and go, do people not get Seahawk games on national TV? Yeah, I have a hard time believing that he would take that to heart. Yeah, he probably wouldn't because he had Russell's. Because honestly, if you are giving your anonymous opinion, I'm not saying that they shouldn't participate in the poll

because, you know, we love to have stuff to talk about. But I feel like they should have to say who they are when they make claims like that. So Handshake Gate or Shake Gate. Shake Gate is better. It has a better ring to it than Handshake Gate. It was in full swing yesterday. Richard Sherman called out Baker

for allegedly not shaking his hand before the game on Monday nights, which I thought was strange to begin with with the story. Like, didn't we all watch this game? There's literally thousands of people watching. watching this interaction and he said this. Like we didn't, I feel like we wouldn't have noticed if Baker didn't shake his hand. Yeah, and phones are great now, right? They catch in all sorts of trouble.

There's literally thousands of cameras on this situation. But obviously, because of that, video surfaced quickly showing that they did, in fact, agree each other midfield. Today, Richard Sherman talked about his comments on Baker and fully apologize for what it turned into. He said, it's definitely my bad. I never want anybody to deal with some stuff that they didn't do. The annoying nonsense questions about stuff that happened in a game that's already been done,

he'll get an apology for that. I'll probably reach out to him via. text or social media to actually get a hold of him and talk to him. He definitely deserves an apology and my bad on bad. Hey, by the way, did Baker respond to any of this? I didn't see any response to Baker from this. Okay, so let me give Baker Mayfield credit. Baker Mayfield, I'm willing to give him a compliment.

I don't believe he responded. There is no reason to respond. There's nothing, if somebody did this to me, I would just let Richard Sherman soak in his own mess. This is his own mess. there's no reason to respond. You have video verification. This shows a little growth for Baker Mayfield,

which is, I don't need to comment on this. The video backs me. Let Richard Sherman bake in all of his mess here. Well, it's just, this is an insane story. I just think it's funny because it's just, it's really crazy to begin with. Because like I said, we all were watching this interaction. I think we would have noticed that Baker Mayfield

blatantly diss Richard Sherman and didn't shake his hand at the corner. coin toss, but kudos to Baker for not getting involved in it, for one. But also, you got to give Richard Sherman credit. I think he realized now, because he was trying to kind of back off of it yesterday afternoon, like realizing what it had turned into. I think if Richard Sherman had not been so strong in his original statement about how disrespectful it was. I was annoyed. That was outrage.

Then it would have been more of a conversation because then you could actually have had the conversation, like, is it disrespectful not to shake hands after the coin toss? But because it was so out there and so extreme, everyone reacted to it and then it was like, you're lying. So glad that's over because that was ridiculous. And he apologized. So we're done there. So the Patriots released Sighton Ben Watson this week. Belichick said the reason was a team just didn't have a roster spot for him.

And despite not playing a single snap with Watson this season, Tom Brady says he's still going to miss his former teammate. Ben's a great player. He's been a great player for this team, for other teams. He had an incredible career And hopefully he can keep playing And I know he was looking forward to playing And I miss him He was right next to me

And for as great as a player he was He was 10 times better person Just the highest integrity And You know I can't say enough good things about Ben What he's meant to me and my family, our team So we're going to miss him

Brady, that's his, that's Brady's anger. Tom doesn't get angry because he's very much the politician, but going on and on about Ben Watson, that's his way of saying to Belichick, really, Bill, we don't have a tight end. The guy that sits next to me, the super bright kid from Georgia who has been a total pro, we work out together,

that's Brady being pissed. And by the way, Tom Brady is, and I'm okay with this, He is sort of political. He knows when to put the foot on. That's Tom. That's the unhappy Tom. Tom is totally pissed at that. I can see that there.

Now, he didn't get any playing time of season also because he was serving a four-game suspension for PEDs. But he was with the Patriots from 2004 or 2009. They do have a relationship. But I can agree with you there. Brady is very calculated in how he responds to things. He never really loses his school. He has extreme emotional discipline. So when he does go out and, you know, waxes poetic about something.

Important to my family. A pro and integrity. Like he's picking his words very wisely and carefully there to get a message across. That's a bad day. For a guy married to a supermodel, it has a ring collection. That's Tom on a bad day. Everybody has bad days. Everybody.

Finally, Kevin Durant was linked to the Knicks before ultimately signing with the Nets this summer. So we knew he was going somewhere in New York, just not sure where. Well, according to Durant, you love this story. According to Durant, New York is going to have a hard time landing big free agents with the Knicks going forward because the brand is not considered cool anymore. I think a lot of fans look at the Knicks as a brand and expect these younger players who in their lifetime don't remember the Knicks being good. So like I didn't grow up with the Knicks. Well, I've seen the Knicks in the finals, but kids coming up after me didn't see that. So that whole brand of the Knicks to them is not as cool as, let's say,

a Golden State Warriors or even the Lakers or the Nets now. You know what I'm saying? It's like the cool thing right now is not the NICs. Obviously, NICS fans did not appreciate this sentiment, but he's not that far off. Oh, no, I don't think the Brooklyn Nets are cool, but I don't think the NICs are dysfunctional and almost anti- cool. It's more than them being dysfunctional. He's right about the timeline. You think about the last time they've been in the finals. Like if you are a, if you were born in 1997, what do you remember of the Knicks being good or relevant or competitive? You don't. Unless you really care about New York, which some people do, but some people do not. Here's my problem, though. The first team he mentioned was Golden State. He left cool for

Brooklyn. It just should be, by the way, when he left Oklahoma City to Golden State, he went from like not cool to super cool. Now he's gone from super cool to is Brooklyn cool? I mean, it depends on what you think is cool. Some people don't like the Warriors brand. They think, you know, it's like. Like what?

Winners? Winners, but like it's just, it's not, it's not very edgy. Well, that it's not. It's not edgy. So, like, I think that kids, and this is kind of an adjustment when it comes to generations, I don't think that overwhelmingly kids are fans of teams anymore as they are individuals for all sports, not just basketball. And it's kind of a paradox that we're dealing with in the NFL because it's still the ultimate team game. But you can get these games anywhere in the world.

You don't have to watch your local guy, your local team on your TV set at one specific time. So kids are fans of specific players and they make those specific teams cool if you want to use that word. So, yeah, like, the Nets may be cooler to kids now. They could be more relevant. And in the next 10 years, say they win a championship, it could change everything. Now, not for New Yorkers and Nix fans, obviously, but the world's bigger than that now. Yeah, the NICs are not cool. Not even.

They're a mess. Now, that wouldn't necessarily be my reasoning for picking a place to go because it's cool. Yeah. But everyone has more motivations. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. Nick Wright, co-host, first things first. You know, he has been very pro-Baker Mayfield. I have been very cautious with Baker Mayfield. There's a lot of nonsense I don't like. So joining me for the Coward Global Satellite Network. Would you even acknowledge, Mr. Wright? Would you even acknowledge it is troubling with the kind of roller coaster awful against Tennessee, awful against San Francisco, excellent against Baltimore,

that some of that inconsistency, you could kind of connect that to Baker's inconsistency and immaturity, that, you know, Baker sometimes his stuff, his personality gets him into a little trouble. Is that unfair to say? I don't know if it's his personality, but I do know this. Baker Mayfield's been a train wreck this year. I sat here on this show six weeks ago and said of the young quarterbacks after Patrick Mahomes, Baker would be my first pick. You asked me if I had a television because I took him in front of Deshawn Watson.

I said yes. And listen, Baker in every category, it looks disastrous. If these were his first five games, if we didn't have last year, where, by the way, it should not be forgotten. Last year, he did set the NFL record for touchdown passes by a rookie quarterback. We would be gravely concerned. We knew going into this year. The offensive line could be an issue, and we knew going into this year, a guy who 12 months

ago, the highest he had ever gone in an organization was running backs coach, being your head coach, could be an issue. What I didn't know, and maybe you did, was that Baker could regress to this point. In every statistical category, he's been a bottom five quarterback so far this year. The only quarterback since Baker's become a starter to throw as many picks as him are Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, James Winston, and Jared Gough, a quarterback who I also have concerns about, I'm not selling all my baker's stock, but unlike you with Bitcoin as of late, I'm not buying more. I'm going to hold what I have and just see, I'm going to try to ride this out for now.

I did say this. I feel like when they get Kareem Hunt November 10th, you're asking Freddie Kitchens to now use Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, Odell, Beckham, Kareem Hunt. Next year, David and Joku, a terrific tight end. And I look at it and I think to myself, you're asking, this would be asking Sean McVeigh a lot. This is a lot of mouse to feed.

Odell Beckham right now in Baker, it feels forced. They have major offensive line issues. I would go and call the Redskins and say, we'll take Trent Williams, you get OBJ. I just feel like it's not working. It feels forced. They've got to solve their

old line issues. Is that crazy? Well, it's two separate things. Should they try to trade for Trent Williams? Yes. Would effectively trading a one and two threes, which is what they gave up for Odell, would that be overpaying for Trent Williams? Yes. Would giving up on Odell right now be crazy? Absolutely. Like, my God, I'm glad you weren't one of the executives in the first five weeks of first things first. Chris and I didn't ever chemistry exactly right. I'm not one of the foundational four. You'd have been like, get rid of this kid.

He was good with me, not good elsewhere. Give it time, man. We can't throw Odell out after a month of football. He's the most talented player on their offense. I believe they will get it together. And I didn't, I don't still understand why if your belief is you got to move on from one of the receivers. It's the guy who's been better than Jarvis at every step of their career. they will make it work with O'Dell, I believe, and you don't give up on him before Halloween

of his first year there. So NFL execs, listen, there's a lot I know about Patrick Mahomes. He's a franchise guy. He's a quarterback in his division. He'll probably dominate the AFC for 12 years. He's worth every penny. But if you're asking me, can he win the individual single game? No, that's what I don't know yet.

I think it'll happen, but he's one and five in his biggest six NFL games. O' and four in his last stand-alone prime timers, and NFL executives voted him, gave him half as many votes as Tom Brady for the one game, one quarterback. Don't you think even as a Mahomes fan, that's a little ridiculous? I think it's ridiculous that anyone would claim Tom Brady right now was the guy they'd wanted this.

Listen, you don't get goat credit. I got a lot to say on here, so give me a second. Okay. First of all, Brady's played one defense all year. And that defense, it was the Buffalo Bills. He had the worst game he's had in 13 years. That's just a fact. The other four defenses he's played are combined one and 17.

So let's take a deep breath and recognize he's 42 years old and it kind of looks like it this year. That's first of all. Second of all, the one in five for Mahomes is six biggest games. I'm not sure what you're using to define them other than, well, he's one in one in the playoffs. And I'm going to pick his other four biggest games as four. losses because he only has five other losses. So I don't, I'd like to see the equation on what those games were because he did get the one seed last year.

Two other points on this. One is, I want the audience to understand that Colin, however frustrating this is, not only is this totally authentic, this is who he is off the year. I'm going to betray a confidence. I'm going to read a text from you, the last one I received. This is right after the chief's lost on Sunday night. Colin text me this. In our house, we call Mahomes Mr. Fancy Passer.

We also call Tom Brady once a year to congratulate him on another Super Bowl and then a goat emoji. This is who that man is right there. And it is the most frustrating thing I've ever experienced. And now, lastly, I'm going to say this. And it's a question for you. If Patrick Mahomes had beaten Tom Brady in the AFC championship game last year to go to the Super Bowl, would you have considered that winning the game? Would that have been proved?

Yes, of course, AFC Championship beating Tom in that moment, absolutely. Okay. Okay. So then I remind you that the way that game went was after Patrick Mahomes played a terrible half of football, he led his team to 31 second half points against the defense that since then, by the way, has allowed two touchdowns in 24 quarters of football, including the Super Bowl. He led his team to four touchdowns and a field goal in the second half to take the lead. And that game ended with Tom Brady, your hero, your icon, the man I assume you pray to in the evenings,

throwing an interception to end the game. And D. Ford was off sides by three inches and Patrick Mahomes never touched the ball again. So if your belief is, I would believe in Patrick Mahomes had he won that game, that game was won. Brady threw a pick, it was over. So Mahomes has already done enough to prove it to you. You just need, I mean, Brady, could be Jordan with the Wizards at this point. You're still going to say, man, I want him taking the last shot. I don't feel that way. And I think there were seven GMs that got this right. I don't know

what the guy who picked Big Ben, what he was thinking. I assume it's Kevin Colbert. And those 14 who picked Tom Brady, you don't get legacy points in this. It's not in the history of the league at their apex. One guy is at his apex. Another guy has been mediocre at best this season carried by his defense and his coaching staff. But I was going to ask you another question, but just read the text one more time. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell you. I did send this text to him after the Chiefs lost. Go ahead. This makes me laugh. Yeah. Well, I'll go a text further back. Chiefs defense will be their undoing from Colin Coward 921 p.m. Eastern Times Sunday night as I'm stewing in the Chief's loss and my financial ruin. I respond. Patriots offense ain't that good. I like our chance.

He responds. In our house, we call Mahomes, quote, Mr. Fancy Passer, end quote. We also call Tom Brady once a year to congratulate him on another Super Bowl. New text, a goat emoji, and that's the last we've spoken until right now. And it is infuriating. Just totally infuriated. You know, it's funny, Nick never sent any message back on that. He wouldn't even respond. So I knew he was furious. I knew he was so mad. I really like your brand of trash talk. I'm still mad. Our relationship is now 12 minutes once a week here. That's it.

Nick Wright, First Things First. Good seeing you, buddy. See you, man. So that's what we have because, you know, I'm a Brady guy and he's a Mahomes guy. I used to work in Kansas City. So our relationship now is... Your trash talk is very jolly.

It is jolly. It's funny. I was so proud of that. I almost tweeted that. And then I thought, nah, just... I'm going to save it for Nick. The fact that he read it makes me laugh. That's very funny.

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not blaming Aaron. Little icy. I mean, I understand it. Brett's a legend. Here comes the young kid from Cal who's really good. And, you know, local. clunky little icy. I don't think anybody would dispute that, no reasonable person. And then it was still a little icy first five or six years. Because Brett Farrve had lived the reality of being a Packers quarterback. And Aaron only had the good stuff, the adored backup, won a Super Bowl year three, hadn't had any real injuries, hadn't lost a coach. But now Aaron Rogers and Brett Fav have a lot in common. That now Aaron's had a lot. the real experience of quarterbacking the Green Bay Packers for close to a decade, and it's not easy.

Let me lay this out for you. There is no position in American sports like quarterbacking the Green Bay Packers. This is a city that's half the size of Peoria, Illinois, Toledo, Ohio. Do you want to know a similar-sized town, Billings, Montana? Can you imagine Kevin Derry, or LeBront or LeBron playing in Billings, Montana. Of Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi playing in Billings, Montana. Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, playing in Billings, Montana. When you're a quarterback for the Green Bay Packers, as Farrv and Rogers now both know, you can't go out publicly.

There is no owner to lean on. You can't really like other quarterbacks recruit stars to come to your town. They're not interesting. Reggie White came. He said it was for religious reasons. The man upstairs told him to do it. So yesterday, Farv had Aaron on his show, and they sounded downright chummy. Good guys.

Thanks for having me on. Farby, big day coming up in a couple days, huh? Well, thanks. What are you getting me, Aaron? I expect something very, like a Porsche, maybe. A Porsche? That's what you want? For the people that don't know Aaron.

I would not be surprised if a Porsche doesn't show up in my house. That's the type of guy Aaron is. Boy, that relationship has changed, has it not? Because I think being quarterback in Green Bay, there's nothing like it in American sports. Shack left Orlando because he said it was too small. Go look at the population of Orlando in Green Bay. Green Bay is Billings, Montana.

Aaron Rogers is not only an American superstar, but more and more becoming kind of a global. The NFL is more global. These NFL games in London, they sell out, they get ratings. Now they have games in Mexico City. You know, they're moving up. We got Canada. So the game is becoming much more global.

I think Aaron now gets what Brent went through. And Brett, knowing that Aaron knows now, it ain't easy. Aaron, they couldn't get for years. Aaron couldn't get top defensive free agents. They wouldn't retain Aaron's quarterback coach. Aaron took all the heat for Mike McCarthy because Aaron's kind of California cool and McCarthy looks like a, you know, a Milwaukee cop. That being a quarterback for the Packers is hard.

I mean, it pays a lot, but there's nothing like it in American sports. There's just nothing like it. You're the governor. You can't go out. You have no owner. You can't recruit other players. They don't want to be there. And I think it's kind of cool.

And by the way, Farve had to live with Bart Starr hanging over him. now Aaron, who's had some injuries, not as many wins as we'd like, has far of hanging over him. It's not easy. That's not an easy. You know, Baker Mayfield's got it easy. No expectations, no bar, no standard. Is he living up to Bernie Cozhar? I mean, so for Baker Mayfield, it's mostly worship LeBron left town. You're going to get pass after pass after pass, after pass. Every time Aaron loses a big game, guys like me are out there like, dude, you don't win enough. Come on. You're, you're 500 on the road in your career. You're 14, 13 and 1 last three years.

So I will say the NFL games, I have my blazing five coming up on Friday. Vegas, this is going to be a week. Vegas is really sending strong messages. And I'll just leave it at this talking about, you know, I have this theory, Joey, and I believe it strongly. Always keep your eye on teams that were humiliated. the last week. Bounce back.

They bounce back. Secondly, the public overreacts to Thursday night games and Sunday night games and Monday night games. Cleveland is only a two-point dog to Seattle. Vegas is begging you to bet

Seattle. They are begging, because why? Cleveland looked terrible on Monday night. The Seahawks lock great on Thursday night. And the public is going to all bet the Seahawks. Cleveland's terrible. Russell Wilson MVP.

I think Cleveland wins this week. They've been a roller coaster so far. Why wouldn't they bounce back? They've been bad, good, bad, good. Bad? I think they'll be good. Joel Clatt next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

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probably the best weekend, potentially, of college football so far this year. You start getting into the meet, LSU, Florida, of the schedules right now. And so we're going to bring him in, and I'm going to suggest, suggest something to Joel Klapp, which won't make him happy, and also hold him accountable for his Baker-Mayfield love. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? Great.

Sounds like you and Joel won't be agreeing on everything today. Yeah, we won't be. You've had a streak of a few weeks where it's been very pleasant. Very pleasant, not today. Let me just say this. There's a couple of really interesting. Again, once again in the NFL, there's seven or eight really interesting games. You know, I'm watching all these young quarterbacks in the league,

Daniel Jones for the Giants, Kyler Murray, Josh Allen, Baker, Mayfield, Lamar Jackson. And I do feel like I'm getting sort of a sense of who they are. They're playing now with the coach they're going to have. And many of the players they're going to have. Lamar Jackson's going to play with these offensive guys for the next four years. They're all young. And then there's the semi-young guys, Goff, Mahomes, Trubisky. I've got enough tape.

I've got a catalog of film. I kind of know what they are. Let me just defend Sam Darnold Hill. I have no idea. Okay. So he comes into the league and he has the lowest rated running back core in the NFL and the second lowest rated wide receiver. receiving core. How do I judge him? The offensive line is also bottom five. How do I judge him?

Then he gets hurt last year and misses three games. Then by the time he comes back, Todd Bowles, the story's out, is getting fired, dead coach walking. What do I know? Comes back this week, or this year, has a very good first half against Buffalo, who now appears to have the best defense in the NFL, loses close, gets mono. I have no idea. I feel like honestly, Sam Darnold's career begins in earnest this weekend against the Jazz. Now, they're still not healthy. He still doesn't have his top tight end, and he won't have C.J. Mosley, his first or second best defensive player.

But he's got an offensive coach. They've upgraded, let's be fair here. They've upgraded the O-line with James and Crowder. They upgraded the receiving corps with Labian Bell, Ty Montgomery. They've massively upgraded, upgraded the running game. And he's got his coach. And I feel like at least Sam Darnold now, the people around him, he'll grow with them. This is going to be up.

He's going to be with Levian for two or three years. Jameson Crowder, two or three years. The tight end Larry Hernden won't play this week, but he'll be with him for three or four years. I don't know what to make of it. I mean, mono this year, got hurt last year, coach is dead man walking, work with an atrocious receiving core running back situation. That was the worst running back situation in the league and the old line was bad. There's been upgrades now. Now, do I know he's 100% no, but he's at home against a defense that was gashed last week?

This is not the Buffalo defense. This is not the New England defense. I don't think this is the Green Bay defense. I don't think it's the New Orleans defense. It's a good defense, but it's a reasonably good defense. I feel like Sam Darnold, I'll watch this weekend. By the way, the wise guys are pounding the jets here. Started eight and a half now down to seven.

I think we'll have a real football game. And now I can watch him and feel like, yeah, I have no barometer on anything he's done in this league. It was a mess. It was very Josh Rosen-like. What is he? I don't know. Even with Kyler Murray, I feel like the coach and Kyler in this offense, this is what it's going to look like for three, four years. This is the offense.

Sam Darnold, that offense last year, the offense this year, I got no idea. So we'll finally get it. We'll finally get Sam Darnold at home. home, a mostly healthy offense, a mostly healthy defense. I think the Jets have a chance to upset him, but I think it'll be reasonably close. It is hard. Even Daniel Jones, I got his first game with Sequin and Evan Ingram and Sterling Shepard. And I'm like, okay, those are the guys he's going to be playing with for three years.

And I watched them for a couple of games. And I'm like, yeah, that works. I got no idea with Donald. Let's see. You know, I was thinking about it this weekend. that I have been, you know, some things I do well, some things I don't. And I think as you get older, you admit what you don't do well. I was probably too insecure, just not mature enough in my 20s to admit what I was not good at.

And I think as you get over and make mistakes, you get more secure in yourself, you grow, you get smarter, you're like, yeah, I'm crappy at that, I'm crappy at that. and I tell people all the time, I about 32 years old, 33 years old, I finally realized what I wasn't good at, and it was like freedom. I'm like, oh, I'm not going to be that. I can't do that. I'm not good at that.

Here's what, so I got, I thought, in my opinion, the best I ever got when I figured out what I wasn't. And so I've always been pretty good at sort of exiting and entering and getting into stuff I'm good at, getting out of stuff I'm bad at. I was sitting here this morning. So Notre Dame plays USC this week. weekend. And it's interesting. If you're Brian Kelly, I want you to think about this, Joy, you're

Brian Kelly, you coach Notre Dame. So you coach some small school you win. You go to Cincinnati, you win. You go to Notre Dame, an academic power, small private school, and you win. Not a title, but you prove I, Notre Dame is now back to being a top 10 program. Let me ask you, isn't now the time for Brian Kelly to bolt after the season? He can't get the same. kids into school that LSU, Clemson, Georgia, Alabama can. It's a different. He's proven. He rebuilt Notre Dame and he's an excellent coach.

Nobody's... Isn't it time? We're all talking Notre Dame USC. It's USC making the coaching change. Atlanta's going to be open. Think about the jobs in the NFL. They're going to be open. Atlanta's wide open with Matt Ryan.

You almost never get a franchise quarterback in the NFL. You almost never get it. Just a thought. Let's bring in Joel Clatt, his thoughts, the voice to college football, live from the Cotton Bowl, Fox 10 a.m. Eastern Texas, Oklahoma. Am I nuts? Am I nuts about Brian Kelly? I don't think you're nuts. I think it just depends on what he wants, right? Because he's kind of earned that right to do what he wants. But you're getting to a point where you start to question where the ceiling is at with Notre Dame. I think they've hit it. Am I nuts? Maybe, maybe not. You know, I mean, being within.

and six on the last possession at Georgia. That's as good as you're going to do. Maybe, but I think that that's top end. I mean, look at this year, right? I think that this year we're as deep as we have been in a long time in college football, I'm saying, in kind of the royal we, in terms of national title contenders. And I don't think that they're going to have the resume to get in because of that loss to Georgia. But if you put every team on a neutral, I think Notre Dame's right there with everybody.

So maybe he is more in line with, hey, I want to finish this. saying I want to win a championship at Notre Dame. That's not realistic. I don't think that's realistic. I think for a private school coach with tougher than average academic standards, winning 13 games, tip of the cap.

Sure. That is, I'll defend Brian, and I'm not trying to disrupt Notre Dame. They're going to win this weekend by two touchdowns. I'm not worried about that. My point is, though, I look at this weekend's game, Notre Dame USC. We know USC is going to have a new coach in three months. Okay, let's get past that. I think Brian Kelly, I would look at the NFL right now and say,

I got a chance now with all these college concepts going pro, this is the time for me to move. Now you have to wonder, and this is not a knock against Brian, I think Brian's a wonderful coach. I really do. And he's done a marvelous job at Notre Dame, and I think they're one of the best teams in the country right now. Having said that, let's say you're Atlanta.

You said the Atlanta opening, right? Let's say you're the Falcons, you have Matt Ryan. Just sake of argument. Do you target Brian Kelly or Lincoln Riley more? Lincoln Riley is not leaving Oklahoma. He's like 17 years old. Brian Kelly's getting up there. Well, I mean, Brian Kelly's like Brian Kelly,

and I know two years ago, Brian Kelly had his agent sniff in the NFL, but the timing wasn't right. So I'm Brian Kelly and I'm sitting there thinking, I went 13 games at Notre Dame. They're now taking all my college concepts. I can just take these things right to the NFL. I get a franchise quarterback. By the way, if Freddie Kitchens doesn't work.

I don't. I call Brian Kelly in two seconds with Baker Mayfield. I don't wish that on Notre Dame because they've got a really good thing going right now. I love Notre Dame standing right there. And you will say this. And I've defended the guys who decide to stay in college. I don't think it's a no-brainer that you need to go to the NFL. Right.

If Brian Kelly wants to stay at Notre Dame, let's say he doesn't win a title. Yeah. Well, he can stay there for eight years, 10 years. And you can make a heck of a lot of money doing that at the college level. you are your own GM, right? You are the dictator in the room. Yeah, but you got to deal with the AD and the boosters and all that nonsense and recruiting. I'm just saying that I think that it's not a no-brainer that these guys are all going to just jump to the NFL to deal with the GM and deal with an owner and deal with the guys making money out there and start their clock.

Because remember, if you don't win the NFL, you're going to be out in three years. Ask Chip Kelly. If push came to shove and you said, Chip, go back to your decision to leave Oregon. Was it the best decision? Not great. Okay, so there you go. So there's just an argument for staying in college. Here's Clats, top 10, by the way.

Ohio State, LSU, Bama, Oklahoma, Georgia, Clemson, Wisconsin, Texas, Notre Dame, Florida. So Texas, Oklahoma, pretty close, but the line's 11, meaning Vegas thinks it's going to be a blowout. Yeah, I don't understand that line. I got to be honest. First of all, you look at the history of this game, is closer than whatever their rank. And there's been a lot of upsets. There's been some upsets in this game, in particular. the Texas side upsetting Oklahoma.

Look at Todd Orlando, the defensive coordinator for Texas and Tom Herman and their success against Oklahoma. Since Lincoln Riley has gotten Oklahoma, they have lost to virtually no one twice. Houston with Herman and Todd Orlando and last year in the Cotton Bowl. So these guys have gotten Oklahoma twice. Ellinger is a terrific player. He's a terrific player. And quite frankly, Texas is kind of the more physical team.

And you get into these rivalry games. and if you can establish the run and you can stop the run on the other side, you've got a great chance. I thought that that line was crazy. I think Oklahoma could win this game. I think Texas could win this game. I think it's going to be a great down-to-the-wire game. I'll be shocked if this is not a one-score game later. But, you know, it's really interesting on this Ellinger, this quarterback for Texas, who has some real Tebow qualities as a leader.

You know, it's funny. I initially looked at him, and I thought, now he's not an NFL guy. He's just a good college guy. I wonder if he could play on Sundays. I think he can. And one of the things that he doesn't get enough credit for is his ability to throw the ball down the field. You're seeing some of the highlights right now. He actually throws the ball better outside of the numbers than most people give him credit for.

He's a great back shoulder thrower. Devin Duvrenay, their slot receiver has done a heck of a job for them. He's got tall wide receivers on the outside. Colin Johnson, he's getting back this week. Ellinger does not get the credit as a thrower he deserves. He doesn't get the credit in the Heisman race that he deserves. This guy is one of the best players in the entire country. Oklahoma knows it because Ellinger was great last year against the.

him. He threw for over 300 yards in this game. In every single game this year, he's had at least three total touchdowns. He throws a good, I mean, I got to tell you, when I watch him play, he's a playmaker. I like him. I think he looks a little small, but, you know, Kyler Murray's 5.7 and a half, five, nine and a half. He won last

weekend. I think the guy looks like an NFL quarterback. When I say this, I have to preface it by saying, I think Tim Tebow was one of the top three or four college players I ever saw. Everything taken into consideration. Leadership, running ability, everything. Ellen is better.

Allinger is a much better thrower of the football. Oh, God, not even close. Not even close. And I've said that and people say, oh, it's a knock on time. It's not a knock on time. So I'm going to throw this at you. Throw away. Okay.

So I don't know if you can wrap your brain around this. It's pretty high-end. It's a very high-end concept. I'm just a dumb jock. Yeah. So most of the time you play college football. Okay. You have a coach, ball coach.

Then you go to the NFL, and the NFL coach is way better. You're getting an older coach. I disagree with that. Well, just try to stay with my premise. Okay. So there are exceptions that Nick Saban may be along with Belichick, the best secondary coach that's ever lived. Okay. So his corners go to the NFL, and they're not usually very good because they don't get the coaching and he squeezed every ounce of juice out of that orange, right?

So Lincoln Riley, Baker Mayfield is regressing. Oh, here we go. No, no, no. His mechanics are regressing. accuracy has gone from 64 to 56. That's with added weapons. I'm just telling you, the further he gets away from Lincoln Riley. I saw this with Jeff Tedford in college.

You're going to tell me Freddie Kitchens is as good as Lincoln Riley? No, Freddie Kitchens is not as good. Baker Mayfield's regressing. He is regressing, and I think it's two-fold. Okay? There is some truth to what you're talking about, and Freddie is not providing the type of wins. on the outside that Baker was accustomed to in college.

And this is something that all of us said when he was coming out of college is that Lincoln did an unbelievable job of getting guys wide open. And the same could be said for Kyler Murray. The same can be said for Jalen Hurts. You make a good point. Is incredible at doing that. So you have to make more tight window throws at the next level than what you do at Oklahoma for Lincoln Riley, in part because he's such a great play caller.

And then the other side of that is, oh, you had a great offensive line. Four of those guys that Mayfield played behind were going to the NFL. I think Baltimore's got half of them. Yeah, Baltimore has a bunch of them. Four of them got drafted last year who were in front of Murray. And Baker's offensive line, Cleveland's offensive line is awful. So when you couple the fact that you're going to be asked to do something that is much more tedious, which is make tighter window throws on time, which he can.

He's got the talent to do that. And then I think that the pass rush is getting into his head. He's pulling the ball down a lot sooner than he used to. He's worried or aware of the rush much more than he used to be. Yeah, when you get hit, you start being a long. aware of it. Exactly. And part of this is the fact that they just don't protect him at all. And that's not an excuse for Baker. He's played in particular Monday night. He played awful. He absolutely played awful. One of the things that he never did in college and he got away with it is never had to

step up in the pocket. Every quarterback's first move unless they are going to escape has got to be up in the pocket because that's how the pocket is made. That's what the offensive line is expecting at the next level. And that's what Baker is not doing right now. Right now, all he does is he kind stops and then he moves right or left. And that's why he's getting himself into some trouble. But the offensive line has been terrible. And you do have some truth to your statement. I wrapped my brain around it. I heard what you said. I wrapped my brain

around it. Not just breaking down running place here. It's a big concept. And there was some truth to it. Yes. Yeah. We're kind of a high-end show here. I think that there's more quality coaches at the college level than the NFL. There is. There absolutely is. When you

encapsulate like development, creativity. When you talk about evolving the game forward. Yeah, I think they take more chances at the college level. It is clever. It's a clever game. Clever. Interesting. I think that's an interesting word. When I go around, the NFL is a revolving door of the exact same guys.

And they don't develop anybody. You look at all the fired staffs. Guess what they do? They just go put on different hats the next year and different win breakers. You go to the senior bowl. I go every single year to the Senior Bowl down in Mobile, Alabama. Guess what I see? The exact same guys in different logos.

Tell me I'm wrong. Okay. By the way, I just want you, we have the Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley thing. And I don't want you, you know, a lot of times you avoid the tough topics. Oh, I do. Interesting. So right now, I don't want none of this like, well, let me think about it. Let me bake on it.

I'm going to hold you accountable, you know. Some show has to. Okay. Okay. Spin it out. Let's go. No qualifying on this. Best coach in college football. Right now?

Yes. Nick Sabin. Okay. Two. Dabo Sweeney. Three. Lincoln Riley. Four.

Ryan Day. Oh, give me a break. He's been there an hour and a half. Brian Kelly. You ask for answers. You get answers. Quit complaining. Brian Day.

No, it's not Brian. It's Ryan. Ryan Day. Ryan. You don't have Brian Kelly ahead of, you think that today. You didn't ask me for my next one. No. No, no, no. Today, you have, you have Ryan, whatever.

Day. A head of Brian Kelly. They have the best team in the country right now. That's Urban. Urban did that. I mean. How many players did he recruit? I love Urban, but he didn't put that product on the field.

Oh, he won 24 of its first 25 games. Did your TV not work for that one, too? I'm giving you high-end concepts here. I'm not sure. You didn't, first of all, you did not extend the list. My next guy was going to be Brian Kelly. Who's six? Oh, that's a great question.

Probably Tom Herman. Okay. And then probably Kirby, like, that's when you get to, like, the Kirby Smart. Tom Herman. You know what you like? You like Flashy guys. James Franklin would be right in there. I like Brian Kelly.

He's a Milwaukee cop. I'm grounded. Oh, you're grounded. And the other guy like is the guy at Wisconsin. They got no players in that state. Paul Chris, who wears sweatshirts to a wedding. You ever notice I like the salt of the earth guys? You're all there up though the good-looking guys.

I got nothing but salt to the earth. What's what your viewers don't understand, whether they're listening or even watching right now on FIS. I connect with America. You're behind your big desk right now. This guy's talking about being salt to the earth. Yeah. He's got shoes right now that costs. Joy, how much do those goose shoes cost?

He does have expensive shoes on, but also Paulin does not believe in sweatpants. Oh, and you don't believe in sweatpants. No, no. When I get home, I'm, I am. Joy, do you know how much those shoes costs? I don't. Top of your head. I believe they're well over $500.

I'm a guy. And they're one of these things. You can put them out there. Walk out here. Show everybody. He does wear them a lot. So it's not like, you know, he keeps them. Well, it looks like he wears them a lot because they're one of these brands that's supposed to be like, oh, they're worn in when you buy them.

It's like buying ripped jeans for $1,000. I don't, I don't buy my shoes. My tailor does. Whoa. Joking. You can't joke anymore in America. Do you get your sweatpants Taylor? All right.

Get out of here. Jol Klat. The game is Texas, Oklahoma. I'm not going to ask you. to win. I like Oklahoma, but I think it's pretty close. I'm not going to tell you who's going to win. All right. It's good to see you. You too. It's good seeing you. Watch out for Texas Tech this week. All right, I'm going to take a break. There it is. Nice.

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What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue of 42.

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I like Daniel Jones, but I think New England wins and applaud here. First of all, Brady is not only just Brady win Super Bowls, he's so good joy in these big TV games. He's 11 and 1 on Thursday night football. Like Brady doesn't just win Super Bowls. When you get these big TV games, Brady's just great. He's great on Thursday night, Monday night, Sunday night, playoff games.

I mean, he's good indoors. He's good outdoors. I mean, at Denver is about the only place he has struggled. At Denver, high altitude. They've had some good defenses. In Miami. Yeah. Miami he wins, but it's been, you know, I don't know.

Whatever it is. I always think playing Miami in September's heart anyway because it's so humid. They lose their late too. That's weird. But I will say this. Sequin Barkley and Evan Ingram are both out for the Giants. So they've got some injury issues. I think they're down with their third string running back.

So Daniel Jones, he's going to have very limited running game. So Belichick, young quarterback, Foxborough, Brady. I think it's a 14-point game. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Jake Gurdon got fired from his head coaching job with the Redskins this week,

and someone who knows a little bit about what that feels like is his brother, John. At the Raiders press conference yesterday, John Gruden was asked about his brother's firing and said it's become a family tradition. He's very disappointed for my brother. It was a long night, you know, the last couple nights. He's worked hard. Got a lot of respect for, uh, for my brother, obviously, and disappointed for him getting fired.

But my dad's been fired. I've been fired. Jay's been fired. And welcome to the club, bro. Football coaching's hard. It's a little bit of perspective. And it's kind of what Joel was just talking about. Like, this kind of comes with the territory in the NFL's very few outlier situations

where you have an unbelievable amount of job security. I mean, you look at someone like Mike Tomlin, Bill Belichick. Saban got fired in the NFL. I mean, the best college coach got fired. Right. Harbaugh got fired and he's been a success. Outside of Marvin Lewis. Well, I mean, outside of Lombardi.

I mean, Marvin Lewis wasn't fired, but he was told we're starting over. No, but I mean, like when you look at situations like Mike Tomlin and Bill Belichick, they're also winning consistently, so there's really no reason for them to be fired. But I will say this. Jay Gruden is the coach that I would hire. been fired because Belichick got fired P. Carroll got fired twice. Andy Reed don't like there are industries

where you do get fired performance level industries that are public. Right. And it's like Jay Gruden can coach. I don't doubt Jay Gruden can coach. I think he is, and we see this, Bruce Arena or Bruce Ariens. Like Bruce Ariens is absolutely built a great staff and James Winston

looked like a better player. Getting run out or struggling is some, by the way. Bill Belichick's been fired. Yeah. When you look at, it's just part of the business. When you look at the full perspective of things, like they're not all the same. Like some firings are very well warranted and it's like, okay, this is not the job for you. And then other times you have to look at the situation.

I don't look at the situation in Washington and consider that, I'm not saying that there's not enough flame to go around. But I do think when it comes to coaches and even coaches that don't have, like even someone like Hugh Jackson, I think there's a lot more to the situation. And it's very difficult, especially in the NFL where you don't get all of the say over your personnel a lot of times, unlike college, where you have to deal with players and situations that don't necessarily fit your system or the culture that you're trying to build and they're forced on you by the front office. And as much as I don't understand the concept of that, it's more just of a power struggle than it is actual reason and a plan. You have to look at the full perspective

of what happened. I think Jay Gruden will get another job, but it is, it's part of the business. So the Saints shut down the Cowboys offense in week four, holding Dallas to only 10 points. And the Saints players are saying that they studied Kellynne Moore from college. to do it. He was the Boise State quarterback from 2008 to 2011. The Saints say they watched footage of Moore playing

to see what kind of signals he used and compare them to what the Cowboys do now to prepare for the game. Oh, that's interesting. You were talking about this that maybe people are starting to get a little tape on Kellymour,

not exactly the tape that you would think of when you're talking about that, but it seems like he's probably going to need to change it up a little bit. Boy, he was a great college quarterback. He was just one of those great

college football players like Tebow never translated. Yeah, I mean, I think this is all, you know, I think this is, this is just the way the league works. Lamar Jackson, if you start looking at some numbers on Lamar, it's like people are seeing stuff, people are giving him different looks. Now, Lamar has got to take those looks. You know, like we said, some guys have a second gear. Some guys don't.

Does Lamar have now a second gear? Russell Wilson met a little bit of a wall end of his second year. It's like, okay, now Russell Wilson's got to go. Like everybody in this league, the sophomore slump, so he's having kind of a freshman coaching slump. People have seen his film. Yeah, people are just starting to figure out what he's doing. So the issue is, is like, if you do change your signals and change everything up, you're introducing a new wrinkle to your offense after coming off of a really tough loss. So it complicates things.

Finally, the Rams are three and two and third in the NFC West heading into week six. But at this point, last season, L.A. was undefeated. 2018 Rams obviously relied a lot. untaught Gurley in the run game. In this season, Sean McVay is saying its team is still trying to find its identity.

Yes. I think there's been some games that we've gotten it going. Definitely want to be able to be committed to that, but I think part of it is to continue to find our identity for the 2019 team.

You know, we've got some continuity at some spots, but we're also figuring out what's the best way to handle different things, accentuate our player's skill sets, whether that be the interior of the line, our backs, things like that.

So it's something that we're continuing to evaluate and, you know, that's going to be a focal point for us on these next 11 games. By the way, their corners are talented. Their corners have been at times this year awful. Marcus Peters and I Keeps-Leave are great talents. I don't know what's going on with the Rams. They're tied for first with the Falcons and pass attempts per game. It's not a lot you want to be tied with the first four with the Falcons at this point.

They're 22nd in rush attempts per game. You know, they drafted a running back third round and they haven't played him. love to see him play. I don't know what he is. I don't understand what the problem is. I don't either. It doesn't, it's like with Todd Gurley being frustrated, it's like, can he go or can he not go? Like, what is the concept behind throwing as much as they are? It's clearly not working. It didn't work for you last year. It's not how you built your offense and it's not sustainable. Yeah. No, it's interesting. Are they not playing the third string running back because he's young and they kind of feel like he hasn't learned the concepts or

are they not playing him because if they do, then Gurley is, you know, it's a lot. It's a a little tense last week with Gurley? Does it get more tense that you bring in the third round running back and he plays? I mean, there's a lot of tension on, you know, plus it's L.A. This team is now high profile. I'm starting to get to the point where it's like some egos are going to might have to get bruised. But I don't even know if it is Todd Gurley not being able to go. It's just very strange what they're doing.

Yeah, good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News. Kevin Durant yesterday was on, is this like New York FM radio or something like that? 97 in New York, yeah. He was on.

What station was that? Hot 97. Oh, that's a big station. Yes. It's hot. And he was on yesterday and he had this Kevin Durant moving to Brooklyn in my lifetime. And I'll explain why in a second. I've never seen this happen.

I think it's a huge risk. I wouldn't have done it. But he was talking about the New York Knicks. You know, why he didn't go there. We thought people thought reported he would. He didn't go. Here's what he said. I think a lot of fans look at the Knicks as a brand and expect these younger players who

And in their lifetime, don't remember the Knicks being good. Right. So, like, I didn't grow up with the Knicks. Well, I've seen the Knicks in the finals, but kids coming up after me didn't see that. So that whole brand of the Knicks to them is not as cool as, let's say, a Golden State Warriors or even the Lakers or the Nets now. You know what I'm saying?

It's like the cool thing right now is not the NICs. I wouldn't classify the Nets as cool, but be that as it may. What KD did leaving the Warriors, I've seen it in every sport. It has never worked. I think it's a huge roll of the dice. KD. Left winning, money, cool, better coach, better roster, proven GM, and a more reliable co-star. I've never seen that work. In the NFL, Levium Bell did the same. It's not worked. Mark Messier left the Rangers for Vancouver Canucks. It did not work. In baseball, Zach Granky, Robinson Canoe, Albert Pooleholz did it, O for three. I think it's a,

humongous roll of the dice. And let me just start. I think Steph Curry is the most adult, mature, coachable, superstar. It's very Duncan, Brady, Steph Curry. It's just you get everything.

You get the IQ. You get the maturity. We're asking, you know, 28, 29 year old kids to act like 50 year olds. Brady, Duncan, and Steph Curry, they give you that. It's rare. And you go from that to Kyrie Irving, who has been enigmatic. He was, you know, LeBron and he did, was working and he left. And Brad

Stevens is great for point guards. And he left. And there were other places he could have gone and he chose Brooklyn. So that in itself, Steph Curry to Kyrie Irving is a roll of the dice. One I would not have made. What's interesting is when Kevin Durant went from O KC to Golden State, he actually upgraded in winning, cool, money, teammates. coaching organizational. And point guard co-star. I mean, Steph's easier to work with in Westbrook. What's interesting is now going and leaving Golden State to Brooklyn,

he's doing the opposite of what just worked. So I think it's a huge role of the dice. It doesn't work in baseball. It didn't work in hockey. It doesn't work in football. I think it is a humongous role of the dice to leave better coach, better roster, better teammate. and if cool matters, I mean, again, I'm not cool, so I can't judge cool.

Maybe Brooklyn is cooler right now in the Bay Area. Bay Area has got Silicon Valley. That's pretty cool. New Arena's pretty cool. I think Steve Kerr, Steph, Clay, Draymond, pretty cool. But I don't know cool. So I'll just get out of the cool business. But I will say this.

You just don't see this. What he did, you just don't see. So I think it makes it a fascinating story, and the NBA has always been a great story league. I think that's why I talk to the end. NBA. It's not about the games. It's about the stories. But boy, it's a roll of the dice. It's a roll of the dice. We'll see how it works. Coming up next, former NFL

quarterback Bruce Radkowski works at pro football focus. Really breaks down the numbers and cuts through the nonsense. What are the grades saying? What are the numbers saying? Who's overrated? Who's a little underrated? We'll talk about that coming up.

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This is Clever Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue 42.

Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at? Hey, Miss Park. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown

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The data comes out, it's analytics, and it tells you who's doing well and who's not in our opinion. Sometimes we all, myself included, have confirmation bias. That's why I bring on guys from pff.com, Bruce Radkowski, 11 years in the NFL via the Coward Global Satellite Network. part of the pff.com team. Right, let's start Bruce with Baker Mayfield's accuracy. He looks higher and wilder. He actually looks a little heavier. Maybe he's happy as marriage weight.

I don't know what it is. But he doesn't look as accurate. He looks more wild. What are the numbers say about his accuracy? Well, Colin, he is regressing as far as his accuracy is concerned this year. But I think there's a lot of external factors that go into that as well. I mean, I'm watching a film and I'm seeing his receivers in himself. A lot of miscommunication.

Receivers not protecting the throw and cutting underneath Richard Sherman on that post route. And Antonio Calloway has to do a better job. I see protection issues. But I also see the reason why Baker Mayfield is a little less accurate this year, defenses are changing it up. They're making him think too much. I want to see a little more quick game, some play action pass from Freddie Kidness. That will help the accuracy.

Try to help Baker Mayfield simplify things, and that will help him be more accurate down the field. By the way, we saw Russell Wilson on Thursday night. Now, this is a player I've always thought is underrated. Now, he's a very dramatic player. So sometimes, you know, it can be a little fool's gold where a player like Mahomes or Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson are so spectacular that maybe there are things they don't grade well at.

So how does Russell, who I think is unbelievable, how does. he grayed out and all the other stuff? Russell Wilson is unbelievable. I mean, the way that dude can play, if you think about it and you look at the numbers, 10% of the time he throws is a big time throw. That's unbelievable. And he's the next, I mean, Colin, you're the rain man out of Seattle, and I think Russell Wilson's the next one.

I mean, how he plays is so dynamic. He could do it all. The way he extends plays, but also his accuracy on the run, the throw he made to lock it in the end zone. It was the best throw of the year so far that we graded here at PFF. Wow. So it's awesome to see how he's playing and he carries that football team. Yeah, that throw to lock it in the back of the end zone is, uh, that, that is like, that's the Big Ben Super Bowl throw even harder because it was longer distance. Bruce Radkowski joining us. All right, Dak Prescott, he struggled last couple of weeks.

Are you seeing a trend, Bruce, with Dak Prescott you don't like? I'm not worried about Dak. I think once you start to play. better competition, situational football plays in the factor. Dak Prescott has to be better on third down, more consistent. Look, he's still had five big-time throws for us this past week. He's still throwing the ball down the yard. He's still making spectacular plays. But what I see the last two weeks is if you miss throws,

and now all of a sudden those situations are heightened because you're playing better competition, you're playing Aaron Rogers. You can't afford to miss a throw on third down or throw an interception. A lot of miscommunications, tip balls turn into interceptions. You know, Amari Cooper stumbled around on his feet, can't keep his feet. He tips the ball interception. So those plays become heightened against good opponents. The Cowboys will be fine, just regroup.

But DAC is still playing well, in my opinion. All right. The Raiders have been the shock in the league for me. Is it Derek Carr or John? Josh Jacobs has been terrific. Is it the offensive line? You know, what say you, what's PFF say about the Raiders? Because offensively, there are times they look very special.

Well, I played for Crazy Chucky. Now, tell you what, he has that team motivated right now, and it's cool to see. I would spend nice staying up until 2 a.m. Trying to memorize the play, Indie Right, 10, X short, fake 96, Power King, Naked Left X slide. So maybe you can repeat that call. But anyways, it's Derek Carr, man. Josh Jacobs is playing well. He's playing good.

That offense is coming together. But Derek Carr, third downs, he's playing well. He's hitting those big time throws downfield. The red zone per se. He's making plays downfield when it counts. And I'll tell you what, though. There's something about the team coming together. And especially after that big win in London, they're coming together as a team.

And I'm happy for Chuckie. But I think Derek Carr, Josh Jacobs, they have it going in the right direction. Packers offense, they're scoring more every game. Does the data say to the numbers say they're playing better, the competition's weaker? What do you make of Green Bay? They're very, very good on script in the first half, generally not quite as good off script in the second. What's it say at PFF?

The thing that's awesome about the Packers is they're winning football games early in the season as Aaron Rogers, Matt LaFleur, offense coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett, continue to gel as one. They're still learning each other. But I'll tell you what, it's just like Big Ben, Aaron Rogers. It doesn't matter who the offense coordinator is. Their game is always going to look similar. They're going to still make their spectacular plays, extending plays.

Aaron Rogers, you know, extended plays in the pocket, you know, slinging a back shoulder pass. We're going to always see those type of plays from a guy like Aaron Rogers. And those guys will continue to get better offensively. hey, they got smarter run the football inside the tight red zone. This Packer offense is going to continue to keep rolling as they get better throughout the season. Finally, Christian McCaffrey, you know, sometimes backs get yards due to an offensive line or concepts. What do you see with McCaffrey?

I mean, man, that guy is dynamic. McCaffer, I'd love to have them on my team, even my NFL games on Madden to play. You could split them out. You can have them in the backfield, run trick. plays, the dude can do it all. And it's cool to see because that's helping Kyle Allen make the adjustment. That's why they're winning football games. Christian McCaffrey is so dynamic and he's carrying the load.

I just have concerns if they could continue to pound this guy with the football as this season goes on. It's a long season, Colin. They need to save this guy a little bit. Defensively, though, they're playing well. I like what I'm seeing in Carolina. Kyle Allen, protect the football on the pocket. He gets a little too careless, step up in the pocket, but they're winning football games.

McCaffrey, that defense, it's fun to see what's going on in Carolina. Finally, is there a huge drop-off Drew Brees to Teddy Bridgewater? Because it doesn't look like it. Teddy is playing well. Drew, at the end of last year, looked tired. It doesn't appear to be a massive drop-off, right? Well, I think it's Sean Peyton. He's doing a fantastic job with this offense.

Defensively, they're making plays. special teams are making plays. Teddy Bridgewater continues to get better week in and week out. His first couple starts, you know, he's hitting the screen passes for touchdowns. This last week, man, he's hitting those big plays downfield, the deep crosses, he's being accurate with the football in tight windows. Drew Breeze is always going to be the most accurate. It's hard.

There's not going to be a lot of guys that can be as accurate as Drew Breese. Teddy Bridgewater, though, Mr. Reliable, Mr. Comeback Kid. having a fantastic year filling in the gas while Drew Breeze is out. But that same football team as a whole is a good football team. So, I mean, I have them as my number one team right now the way the defense is, special teams. And Teddy Bridgewater doing what he's coach to do and executing the offense. Hats off to Sean Payton. All right.

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Well, in the last 30 years in the NFL, Anthony Munoz, Walter Jones, Jonathan Ogden. It's a very short list on the most important offensive lineman protecting the blind side generally of the quarterback. Walter Jones, it's an absolute pleasure. His number 71 retired. You just got inducted into the Seattle ring Thursday night. That was, Paul Allen got inducted into the ring of one of Thursday night.

But you've been inducted into their ring. Yeah, I've been in for five years now. Okay, so let me ask you, in Seattle, you're a small town Alabama kid. And you had to go, if I recall, a junior college. Yes. So it's an amazing story. So you are, moms raising you, small town,

didn't go to Hoover High in Alabama. You go to a tiny school. You said to me before you came on, didn't have a Walmart. You go junior college. And then you go to Florida State. Alabama Auburn, not as interested. Are you ever surprised that you're a Hall of Famer?

I'm pretty surprised once you tell that story. But, you know, once I got my foot in the NFL, I knew what I needed to do. So I just put that forth. I tell people all the time when I got into the league that I had great tackles to watch. I had Jonathan Ogden. I had Orlando Pace. I had Willie Roe.

So that was a great class of offense alignment when I was playing. So that made the game easier. Coach you to tell me, go watch this guy. Go watch this guy. So when I watched those guys, it made it easy. I knew what I had to do to stay consistent. Okay, I can't give up sacks. I got to be available every game.

So I kind of figured that's the way you have to play the game as offensive alarm. Trent Delfer, who played with. Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden told me you were the greatest offensive linemen ever. You have some legendary pictures out there where you used to get a truck. And tell our audience to this. It's an amazing story. What you did with trucks in the offseason? What happened was when I was in high school, we didn't have a lot of weight equipment.

So what happened was my coached for llamas, we would go out. We didn't have a squash machine. So we would go out and push his truck. And so when I was going through my contract stuff, I was getting tagged and I was missing training camp. and I hated doing squats. I was like, I'm done with squats. And so that's what I started doing. And I was doing that apart by myself with my brother-in-law and stuff.

And I thought I was, you know, doing it by myself. Then all of a sudden, one person would come, two people come. Then the news people come. So it kind of exploded into something. But it was something I always did. And it helped me, you know, when I got to the league. I always tell Lomans, don't practice with the receivers and the running backs. You have to do stuff that's going to prepare you for the game

and the condition that you need to be in the game. And you used to push a truck. Yes. It was, you know, and the crazy thing about it now is that I should have copyrighted it because I walk into a lot of NFL fields and stuff. Everybody got some kind of similar to that, what they do linemen now, so I should have kind of copyrighted it. When you, let's go, one of the things I've talked about, Walter Jones joining us, in my life, I never thought much about offensive lines. And then a few years ago, they had a new CBA. And the CBA said, less practice, less hitting.

And I contend that it hurts offensive. offensive lines more than any position because it's really a skill. You play with cohesion and choreography. A lot of times a pass rusher's on his own. A corner's on an island. It does feel like, do you think now that the new collective bargaining has actually made it harder with fewer practice reps to be a great offensive lineman? I think so.

I think the hard part is for Lomans, we need the fits and we need the contact. We've got to feel, you know, we have to fill our way through the game. And so if you miss those opportunities, you can get me. mental reps, but I think you have to, for alignments especially, any other position you can do mental reps, but like you said, we have to, we have to feel the contact to get the fits that we need in the game. You're not knocking guys, you know, five and 10 yards back. So you need those fits. So if you're not getting those fits in practice, it's pretty tough to kind of, you know, that's why you see teams start out slow with the office align. Once they get contact, you know,

now mid-October, now you're going to start seeing who got the best office alignment because they've been playing together now and then you're going to start saying that the great teams. Walter Jones, Hall of Fame left tackle joining us. Walter Russell Wilson is a very unique player. I don't consider him a running quarterback. He's just got a style that he's always moving. Even in the pocket, his feet are moving.

As a left tackle, you played primarily with pocket quarterbacks. Russell, even in the pockets, not a pocket quarterback. Would it have been hard to block for Russell, not knowing where he is? I don't think so. I think as llamas, you know, I get this question all the time about, I think that the key, at practice, he practice in the pocket.

So as a lineman, that's what you practice every day. If you go home, that's what you practice, a quarterback being in the pocket. But I think the thing about Russell is that Russell are always trying to make plays down the field. I think as a lineman, you just have to understand. And a lot of time, the defensive guy gives you fields on what a quarterback is at. You know, as I played the game, I used to hear the crowd. If the crowd, you know, the crowd is, if a guy get beat, the crowd get that anticipation. that's something that happens.

So you learn that as a player, okay, something is going wrong. Or you're a defensive guy, I'll let you know. And you have to, at that time, you have to say, okay,

he's on his own. And I think he, as him as a quarterback, he understands that. Like, once I get out that pocket, I'm literally on my own. So you would listen to the crowd.

You'd watch the defensive player. That sounds like your position's a lot of instants. It is, once you learn the game and stuff, it comes so easy. I tell guys all the time, when I first got in the league, you know,

my first year in the league, you know, the draft reports come out. Oh, He's going to take two to three years. And that literally what happened. You know, I came in a game. I had blinders on, like, all I see at the defense end,

but in my third and fourth year, the game came so much easier. I understood why the quarterback was checking plays. So I tell guys, just continue to be a student of the game and figure out why are we running this play, why are we checking this play? And then you become a great player. When did you know? When did you have a great player come up to you and say,

bruh, you are a great player? When was the first day you're like, you know what? You may not have said it because you're a humble guy, but I'm a special player. Oh, man, I want to say probably a guy that's on my own team, Cortez Kennedy. Oh, he was great. You know what? You know, when I came to the league, I was at the year where you have to prove your worth. You know what I'm saying?

It wasn't about you come, you're a high draft pick, but you have to earn your respect from the player. So we was going on one-on-one and practice one day. And Ted came out there and kind of like, okay, let me see what this. You know, the rumor was out there. that this kid is good. And he came out there and I kind of, you know, did my job against him. And then he came up to me in the locker. He's like, hey, man, you're going to be great in this league.

And that's kind of like where it started to like, okay. And like I said, I had great tackles at that time to watch. Because for a Lama, you don't have stats. So what I used to do with this way, when they walk on the bus, they give you the stat sheet, I used to say to myself, I want the guy to go against them to look across the stat sheet and there's zeros. So now when he's talking to his guys, he can't say that because I didn't shed him out. So that you do my checkmark every game. I said, okay, I'm going to make sure this guy don't have nothing to look for in the stat sheet.

So that's what I played the game for it, to make sure that those guys had zero across their stat line. Walter Jones is joining us. So there's three, the NFC West right now is crazy. You got Pete Carolyn Russell. You got McVeigh and golf. You got Shanahan and Garoppolo. By the way, Kyler Murray and Cliff are no easy out. I watched them last week.

Of the three, though, teams, San Francisco, Seattle, and L.A., is there one you look maybe it's line play that you think could be in a little trouble this year. Rams, Niners, Seahawks, who's in a little trouble? Because they're not all going to the playoffs. It's hard to say. I think everybody look at the Seahawks' offensive line, but I enjoy watching those guys. I enjoy seeing the improvement.

But I would say probably the Rams, I think there's an older offensive line, and I think it's all about. Whitworth, left tackles, getting out there. They're getting older. And then sometimes the expectation, I can remember the year out of the we lost the Super Bowl that next year we we have some struggles. We got to the playoff, but you're so exhausted, you know, when the season was over it,

I was like when we lost to Chicago, I was exhausted because now you're trying to get, you're pushing so hard to get back to that. Like, okay, if we get back there, we'll win. But you're pushing so hard to try to get back there, trying to do everything perfect. Because you're trying to pinpoint where did things go wrong at. So I think with that, with the Rams just coming off a loss in the Super Bowl, Every game is going to be like that because everybody know how you play and how you want to play.

By the way, Baker Mayfield, I've been critical of him. I do look at Brady and I do look at Russell Wilson. I like a certain personality to quarterback. In fact, it's not just that. I want my left tackle, my quarterback. I want my Mike linebacker. There's certain people. I want adults in the room because I think Bobby Wagner and Russell set the tone for the franchise.

What do you make of Baker's talking? You know, I tell people all the time that the NFL is, you get your humble pie. And I think I think as a quarterback, you know, a young quarterback, you have to kind of be quiet and go through the bumps and bruises. You know, your time is going to come and you get your time on the football field. You don't get your time talking. You get your time on the football field.

So I think for him, he has to get the respect of everybody, not just the outside people, the respect of the people in the building to and on the football field. And that comes with the way you play on Sundays. By the way, you have a 96 check initiative. You do a ton of community. outreach. First of all, where does that come from?

Because not everybody cares about the community. Not everybody gives back. Not everybody is into the things you're into. Where does that come from? I think it's just come from me growing up. I think every time you go somewhere, you do any event, you get a chance to meet fans. When I was

growing up, I didn't have that one person to come in and talk to me. So I always tell if you go talk to kids, and you might not reach but one kid, and that's that one kid that might make it. And I want people to understand that we are human and we're we're just like you so I try to give people an opportunity to just touch you a lot of times you know you go to these events and you can't get out in the crowd so I just want to let people know I like to hang out I like to have fun so I just try to get people

let them know that I'm the same person just like you so I just want to make let those people know and and give someone probably a young kid that this is what they want to do an opportunity to talk to you and see that I'm just as normal as you by the way from a small town in alibi you go play in Seattle and for nine, it was nine years, how long do you play there? I played there for what, 10 years? All right, I'm looking at your numbers, yep, 10 years.

So, you decide to stay in Seattle. Now it's rainy and I'm from there. It's cloudy. You could, it's cold in the winter and you're from Alabama, you could go back to Alabama, you could live on the Gulf Coast, and you decided

to stay in Washington State in Seattle. Why? I enjoy the city, you know, coming, like you said, coming from a small town. And, you know, I did have a home in Alabama for a second when I was playing. I had a home. I figured that's where I'm going to be at when I was done. But then I had kids. I think a lot of times kids changed that a lot.

And then for me personally, I think my opportunities are a greater there in Seattle. And I've been there for 22 years. So it's been hard for me to go back home because I never, never went back to kind of be settled at home. I always in Seattle. And I love the city. I love the fans. I love to be a part of what's going on now. you know, I always tell the guys

that are playing now, I say, hey, you win, I win. It's not a, it's not no advantage to that. I just enjoy the fact to be part of a team that I was with my entire career. Isn't that great? It feels good. One team. One team, it's awesome. And then you feel good to be a part of those, the guys that was before you. I tell people all the time,

when I played, when I first got introduced to football, the tape I used to watch was Anthony Munoz. He had an instructional video tape. He did? Oh, my God. And, and I tried to, I watched this tape until it completely just went bad. And I tried to get it when I was at the Hall of Fame.

My Hall of Fame speech, and I was like, man, I was trying to find it. I was online. And then once I got done my speech, somebody said, you should have asked Anthony Muio. I guarantee you got it somewhere in his basement or something, that tape. And I watched his tape. So that was the guy that I watched that kind of showed me, okay, I can be a lineman. I think Anthony

Muio, for me, personally, was like the superstar office alignment. Well, Anthony is one of the greatest players in league history. Yes, he is. Wow. Walter Jones, nine-time pro bowler, a Seahawk for Life, Hall of Famer in 2014, their ring of honor.

By the way, Paul Allen, owner of the Seattle Seahawks, incredibly, you know, we think of him as a tech guy, right? Bill Gates, you know, I shouldn't say I was surprised, but his connection to the players. I mean, Russell Wilson was tight. I always saw Paul as sort of upstairs,

tech billionaire, players were really connected to him. I think so. I think they just come with the type of player that are coming in. When I was coming in, it was more upstairs, downstairs. And I think it just changed, you know what I'm saying? I think these guys now are coming into the game that understand their worth. And I can go back to Ted's.

Ted was great at getting to know the people upstairs, the people that are doing the behind the scene work. So he did a great job of that. And so I think players are connected to that. You know, you can be able to go out and play a great football game and then still be able to hang out with those people that sometimes when you come into a contract negotiation. Or you come into a present. A lot of times, like when you have events and if the owner is there or some of the coaches are there, you're nervous. Oh, I can't do this.

I can't have a drink. So they are pretty cool at understanding that part of it. And those guys are pretty cool to understand that you can separate those two and have a good time with these guys. But still understand, it's a business and you still got to play football. By the way, you're on the Seahawk post game show. you retired just as Pete Carroll got there. Can you imagine what you had been like with Pete Carroll? You just got older.

You were getting older in your knee. You didn't like your knees anymore. Your knees were banged up, right? Exactly. I didn't like that. I think it was a new regime. I thought like, okay, if I come in there, I can't, you know, at that point, I was at to the point where I wasn't even practicing.

So I practiced on Saturday. So I felt like, okay, this is not going to be a great situation where this guy got to come in and change his, bringing his style of play. And I'm a guy that got to say, hey, I don't practice. So that was kind of hard. And that's not the reason. while I retired, I retired because my knees was bad. And when I retired, I said, okay, let me give them an opportunity to see what they're going

be. So I made the decision pretty early. So I'd have that hanging over to him throughout the off season. Well, again, you did it the right way. You could have taken a check for a couple of years. And you did not. Thank you for the swag bag for Joy and I. Appreciate that.

Absolute pleasure. He's on the King TV post game show with a guy I know Paul Silvie. Say hi to Paul for me. I will. I will. And it's great seeing you. Thank you so much. All right.

Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. The kids these days, I don't know anything about wearing a tape out. Isn't that funny? You just rewind that YouTube video. As much as they want. My wife called me last night.

She goes, what are you doing? She went out with her friends. And I said, I'm just watching Michael Bublay on YouTube. She goes, why? And I'm like, because I'm just relaxed. I'm just want to watch some videos. Because I can. Kids do not understand.

You used to get these VCS, VHS tapes. And that's it. Like that tape, you just watch the same Dalmatians. Even storing them with so much space. Like a tape to take up so much space. They don't understand, but that's a great story. Rewinding that tape learning how

to play. So Handshake Gate was in full swing yesterday. Someone who spent a little time in Seattle, Richard Sherman, called out Baker for allegedly not shaking his hand before the game. Video surface of them actually shaking hands. So Sherman apologized to today. He apologized about his comments

and what they turned into. He said, it's definitely my bad. and never want anybody to deal with some stuff that they didn't do, the annoying nonsense questions about some stuff that happened in a game that's already been done. He'll get an apology for that. I'll probably reach out to him via text or social media to actually get a hold of him and talk to him. He definitely deserves an apology, and my bad on that. Well, Baker responded. Oh, he did.

He spoke to reporters this morning, and when he was asked, he said this. No, no, I respect him who he is as a player. He's a great player. I've been for a while. There's no way to have you doing that. But that's another one time in the camera and something reporting me is, you know, gone out of my favor. That's funny, actually. I love his stone face after he lands a joke.

That's actually very funny. Because he always was just the tiniest little smirk that he knows he just landed it. It's true. It was the time that the camera was on him and it worked in his favor. It's such a strange situation. That's actually a very self-aware funny line because he's had a couple of these moments in life. where the camera's on and he does something goofy. He came out and won that one.

Yeah. I mean, of course, he was going to win this anyway because Richard Sherman. It's like Richard Sherman. What do you do? You don't understand for you're a smart guy. What do you do? I don't know why he came out so strong about this. I think it's possibly just that Baker may have that natural ability of getting under people's skin.

Or he just like people look for reasons to not like him. Baker Mayfield and Aaron Rogers. clearly irritate people, sometimes me. Is it this sort of condescending, cockiness? That can be an annoying quality, perhaps. Because Aaron, by the way, has gotten pushback from people, and Aaron's like, I don't understand why I'm getting pushed back.

I mean, Aaron creates that. Baker creates that. Some of it maybe just... Yeah, I mean, there's a reason why everyone immediately believed Richard Sherman that's not even possible. Like, there's certain people in the league, like, for example, if someone was like, Russell Wilson didn't shake my hand at the beginning of the name,

you'd be like, what? Come on. That's impossible. We just believed it. The only reason it became such a big story is because Richard Sherman came out so strong about it. But we're done with it now. Everyone's apologized. We're moving forward.

Shakegate is over. So speaking of Baker Mayfield, he's been going through a bit of a sophomore slump after his breakout season last year. Monday's loss was obviously particularly bad with only 100 pass yards and three turnovers. But Freddie Kitchen says there's plenty of factors that led to Baker's poor performance. I think there's a lot that goes into that. Well, consistency has pretty much been the story. for the Browns this season. If they beat Seattle, they're fine.

I don't think there's a reason to panic. I don't think there's a reason to overreact. Yes, it was a bad loss. And anytime it's a stand-of-alone game and it's a bad loss, it gets amplified so much more. It's why I think everyone's overreacting to the Cowboys' loss to the Packers. It wasn't a standalone game, but it's a huge game. It's a game of the week on Fox.

Everyone's going to freak out because it's a really bad loss. You look bad, and it's probably going to be their worst loss of the season. And the same way with the Cowboys. You can't, you're not as bad as your worst loss. You're not as great as your best win. So find the middle there. But then once you reach that middle, be consistent and grow from there. So I don't think there's anything to freak out about it.

They're not panicking yet, but they do need to figure out that offensive line situation. Finally, Kevin Durant was linked to the Knicks, or at least to New York, before ultimately signing with the Nets this summer. And according to Durant, New York is going to have a hard time landing big free agents going forward because the Knicks brand isn't that cool anymore. I think a lot of fans look at the Knicks as a brand and expect these younger players who in their lifetime don't remember the Knicks being good.

So like I didn't grow up with the Knicks. Well, I see Knicks in the finals, but kids coming up after me didn't see that. So that whole brand of the Knicks to them is not as cool as let's say the Golden State Warriors or even the Lakers or the Nets now. You know what I'm saying? It's like the cool thing right now is not the Knicks. There aren't that many cool.

There's winning brand. I mean, New England's a winning brand. It's not a cool brand. What's a cool brand in the NFL? I think the Raiders is still a cool brand. It's definitely kind of a rebel. They're a little bit of a rebel at the league. I think it depends on where you stand on the Cowboys,

but I think people still love the Cowboys. See, I think the Warriors. I think the Warriors are cool, but you don't. I don't think that the Warriors are cool. I just think what defines cool? Like, are you talking about something that's slaggy or edgy? or you talk like what's cool to you if it's cool to win championships then yeah you want to be with the patriots or you want to be with the warriors or you know like the clippers are in the best

situation we all think right now to win a championship but what's the clippers overall brands you know what I mean so I get what he's saying the nicks don't have that allure that maybe nicks fans or the nicks organization or nicks ownership thinks that they still have when it comes to younger players. Like, not only do you want to be in a situation where you can win. Kevin Durant's not in an awful situation. He does have Kyrie. It's just that he's injured.

So we have no expectations for them this year. You know what feels like a cool brand to me? Like, if I was a player, the Saints. Yeah. Party town. Yes. The Saints are a cool brand. Yes.

Yeah. Saints are kind of party town. A little bit on the edge. A coach that talks trash. Like, to me, the Saints is a, the Saints and for different reasons, the Raiders. and the Saints are kind of cool in a very, very corporate NFL. And I also think that their fans have a big

play a big factor in that. And like, I know Knicks fans are going to hate that, but he's right about the finals. I mean, kids have not seen the Nix B play at a highly successful level. And if you are now, kids are coming into the league with their own brands and they're way more business savvy.

So if you're looking at what you're going to deal with as far it being a highly functioning organization on the basketball side, like that's something that kids consider too. So not that you have control over where you get drafted, but his overall point is not far off. Yeah. I enjoy it with the news. Well, that's the news.

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Available only at Walmart, Michelin Endurance XT Silicon Wiper Blades. We were talking, you know, there's been so much talk about Dak Prescott and Jason Garrett. And I've said before, they're both clearly capable. They've won two out of the last, what, three divisions. They're capable. But some things are happening right now that are very good for the NFL.

You know, the number one thing is the college quarterbacks now are coming into the NFL, and they're all working, like fast, first year, first five games. It's a huge break for the NFL. They are predicting now there's five to six first round quarterbacks coming in this year. So we're getting to a point now where a lot of these guys are working, and even if they're not working to a playoff level, they're capable and they're fun to watch. You know, the second thing is it's good to be in the NFL business,

legalized gambling, ratings are all up for the NFL, even with backup quarterbacks. Fans are watching it longer than ever to see if they cover their bets. When I watched Monday Night Football, the thing that struck me was the quality of coaching with Kyle Shanahan. And I was thinking about this. John will roll a little music. This would bother you if you're a cowboy fan.

Look at the quality of quarterback and head coaching combinations right now. I don't think there's ever been this many. Garapolo and Kyle Shanahan. They're 10 and 2 together. I think if you watched on Monday Night Football, it was a little bit of a clinic. They're number one in the NFL in Red Zone offense.

They run the ball because Mike Shanahan had that zone blocking scheme and his son, Kyle, the same scheme with all sorts of like modern day 2019 advantages. How about Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed? They're 17 and 5 together, and that's generally been without a great defense. Okay, and a division with the Chargers,

and, you know, the Chargers are a really good roster. Sunday was the first time they've ever been held under 26 points together. That's an incredible combination. How about golf and Sean McVeigh? You know, it's interesting the criticism they get. They've won 75% of their games together and a Super Bowl already. Rams have led the NFL in points per game since McVeigh took over. Say what you want. If they had somewhat of a running

game, I think we'd still consider them kind of a team in that Super Bowl bubble. Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll, eight seasons together, had a winning record every year. Do you know how, and by the way, this division has often been as good as any division in football. They've only been. They've only missed the playoffs one season together. That was 2017 and they were still nine and seven. This will go down to me as actually one of the top ten coach quarterback combinations. Pete's a first ballot hall of Boehmer. Russell's a first ballot hall of famer. Carson Wentz and Doug Peterson. Right now Wentz is rated as the number two quarterback and pro football focus. Again for all the injuries they're 21 and 10 together and this is the thing I like about them.

I think they're great together situationally. They're number two in the NFL in third down offense. That's play calling. That is working a sympathetic relationship between the coach and the quarterback. How about Drew Breeze and Sean Payton? Again, these are first ballot Hall of Famers. Been together for now 13 years. Drew is going to end up, along with Brady, being the holder of more NFL passing records

than any other quarterback not named Tom Brady. I think Aaron Rogers, Matt LaFleur, they've scored more points every week. They're four and one together and all the other rookie coaches combined have four wins. It's very, very early here, but I don't think there's any doubt that Rogers and Matt LaFleur have the potential.

At least they appear to on the sidelines have open lines of communication. And then, of course, there's Brady and Belichick. This is going to be the greatest quarterback coaching combo of all time. You know, 19 years together, never had a losing season. Only player to win six Super Bowls, only coach to win six Super Bowls. And I get to about eight or nine. I haven't mentioned I won't even put Gruden and Derek Carr on. I need to see the rest of the year. I won't put Bill O'Brien yet up there with the Sean Watson.

Let me get through the rest of the year. But that's what would worry you if you're Dak and Jason Garrett. I think they are several notches below those. I think they're closer to Grude. car closer to Bill O'Brien to Sean Watson. But sometimes we can go and criticize Dak and Garrett. They're clearly both smart enough. They've won division. What's worrisome is, though, we have some coaching quarterback combinations right now. They're all-time stuff.

You've got a Hall of Fame quarterback, a Hall of Fame coach, and I don't think Belichick's retiring soon, and I don't think Pete Carroll's retiring soon. Dallas, a lot of those, I'm trying to think, how many are NFC? one, two, three, four, five, six. Six of the eight I like for NFC. Yeah, not great. By the way, Philadelphia Flyers are in tonight's Discover card key matchup. Discover.com slash travel.

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Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all?

You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor? It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen to learn the hard way on the AHA radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the Fourth.

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