The Herd with Colin Cowherd - QBs, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, LeBron James

Episode Date: July 8, 2020

Colin explains why there are so many people who can't rank QBs correctly, Patrick Mahomes understanding how to be successful, why Russell Wilson should be envious of Mahomes, and why there is no "right way" to leave a team in the NBA. Guests include Kevin Clark, Dana White, Nate Robinson, and Tony Gonzalez. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise,

breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down,

and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild. I mean, it was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all?

You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor? It signals to the world that you not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to, listen to learn the hard way on the IHard radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for listening to The HARD podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1.

Find your local station for the Hurt at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHartRadio app by searching Hurd. Sports Radio. It is a Wednesday. We are live in Los Angeles. This is The Hurd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, a Fox Sports Radio, and right here on FS1, HAC show today. Dana White next hour joining us from Fight Island.

Tony Gonzalez, Hall of Fame Tide Ends joining us to Joy Taylor. Co-pilot today, Joy, how are you? I'm great. I can't wait for Fight Island. This has been like a dream of mine since I was a kid. I love Bruce Lee. Oh. And the Dragon, Hans Island. Hopefully it's a little bit more pleasant than Hans Island was.

It actually is with all the cases spiking in America. It's actually a brilliant move by UFC. They've just went into their own island and they're, it's going to. They're the first to do the bubble. Yeah. And it's worked. It'll work. Okay, so I want to start with this.

I tell young people all the time, put your head down, work hard. You'll get your chances. You don't even have to be great. If you're good, if you're focused, if you're competent, you may not be successful in your 20s.

It may take mid-30s, early 40s, but if you work hard, you'll be successful. And you don't have to be gifted. Just be competent, because there's so much incompetence out there. I've been in this business 30 years. Oh, yo, yo.

there's a reason you only know one baseball agent, Scott Boros, because there's a lot of bad ones. There's bad pilots. I mean, even jobs where you need qualifications like a surgeon, there's bad surgeons. Years ago, I was having breathing problems. I went to a surgeon about my nose. He basically wanted to reconstruct my face, break bones, everything. I thought, that seems severe. I called a friend of mine very respected in medicine.

He goes, well, let me give you. two people in the state of Connecticut. Drove down an hour. Both of them are like, that's the opposite of what you should do. They were like, that's an incompetent surgeon. You could have sued him. He was a surgeon. I know the medical school he went to. He was

incompetent. The two other surgeons were like, he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's a cartilage issue. It's no big deal. Take an hour, barely invasive. The point being, you see these airplane crashes. A lot of times, it's just pilot air. Very rarely mechanical. And so I saw this came out today.

50 league executives, coaches, scouts, were asked to stack the top 10 players at 11 different football positions. I'm just going to go quarterback. We don't want to talk about guards and centers. So these are executives, general managers, scouts, creme de la crem coaches, Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson are 1 and 2. That's the good news. They got that right. But they show the highest and the lowest ranking each of them got.

Somebody thought Patrick Mahomes was the fourth best quarterback in the league. Somebody thought Russell was the ninth best quarterback. Somebody thought Lamar Jackson was the 12th. Somebody thought Carson Wentz was the 14th. Somebody thought Dak Prescott and Matt Stafford were the fourth best quarterbacks. What? Did your TV not work at the end of last year in Philadelphia? Carson Wentz carried a scout team to the playoffs.

Lamar Jackson was MVP. Are you watching the games? Is the television set not working? Now, Lamar Jackson's young. I get it. I get it. There are critics. I'm not one, but they're critics.

But we've seen Matt Stafford for nine years, ten years. Fourth? I've seen Dak Prescott for several with a great O-line, with great receivers, with a great back. Fourth? Folks, there is incompetency everywhere. I'm a sportscaster. I love football. watch it. I went on the air when Johnny Mansell and Tim Tebow were taken in the first round.

And I said the day of, they're not NFL quarterbacks. These are not franchise quarterbacks. You cannot build a first round quarterback is 12 years. They don't have to be Patrick Mahomes. You don't have to be that good. You don't have to be, you know, Terry Bradshaw. You don't have to be, you know, Peyton Manning. I'm not saying that. But if you draft the quarterback in the first round, you are saying this is 12 years, this work in the NFL? Tim Tebow? Years ago I worked in Tampa. Rich McKay ran the franchise. A really smart guy now. He's in Atlanta. He does operations. Really, really smart guy. He's been on a lot of boards in the NFL. And in Tampa, the Florida Gators are very popular football team. So Danny Worfell, and he was just tearing up college football. And Rich didn't want to criticize him publicly because he's a nice kid.

And there's no reason to offend your local fans. But he told me off the air, I can say, now. He's like, no, he can't. He can't play in the NFL. It's not an NFL quarterback. He's a very good college quarterback. He can't make the NFL throws. He got drafted in the fourth round. I mean, Danny Werfel. So the one GM at the time, I've got more sources now, but the one GM at the time I had

direct access to was like, no, no, no, no, no, that's not an NFL quarterback. Danny's a great kid, and you could have him carry a clipboard, but you, it may be, but he can't make all the throws. Mike Dick could drafted him. He's a winner! In college. Florida always

has quarterbacks that win. Work hard, stay focused, head down. You'll be successful in life. Don't be a victim. Don't blame point fingers. You will be successful. Just work hard. Somebody in the NFL currently with a job thinks Lamar Jackson's the 12th best

quarterback. Carson Wentz is 14 and Russell Wilson's 9. And Matt Stafford's 4. I like Matt Stafford. I get paying him. But somebody thought Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford and Dak Prescott were the same quarterback. I don't know what to do.

I can't help you on that. Work hard, head down, stay focused, eat your vegetables, go to bed early. Some point in your life, you will get opportunities. Competency will get you employed. Not even great. Competency will get you employed. All right, 10 years ago today, it was egregious. It was outrageous.

It was polarizing. I was deeply offended. 10 years ago today, it was a moment. It's like man landing on the moon. It's so memorable. LeBron James, as a free agent, had the audacity 10 years ago to the day to outrageously say this. The answer to the question everybody wants to know. LeBron, what's your decision?

And this fall, man, this is very tough. And this fall, I'm going to take my town to South Beach and join the Miami Heat. Miami Heat. That was the conclusion you woke up with this morning. That was the conclusion I woke up with this morning. That was the conclusion I woke up with this morning. Yeah, that was audacious, wasn't it? 27-year-old nervous kid, sweating, said I'm going to take my towels to South Beach.

Woo! I still to this day, I get angry. The reason I supported LeBron 10 years ago is the reason I'm going to support him today. There is no right way for players to break up. You're the issue, not the player. we should have some breakup music for this, John. I'm going to give you five different examples of how players have tried to leave cities, five different ways completely for the breakup, and you have crushed all of them.

Let's start with Carmelo Anthony. Do you remember how he did it? Carmelo Anthony, the breakup with Carmelo Anthony was, we can put it out here, it's not you, it's me. Remember? He said, Denver's great. The coaches are great. He just said, listen, I'm from the East Coast.

New York City is more me. He did the It's not you. It's me breakup. He gave him a long tail on this. He just kept saying, man, it's been great. I love Denver. I love Denver. But I grew up in Baltimore.

I'm more of an East Coast guy. I played at Syracuse. I want to go back. You crushed him. All right. Let's go to the next one. So the next breakup was, go ahead, guys, and back, you throw it up. It was Letter on the Nightstand from Kevin Durant.

Remember the Players Tribune? The next chapter at my life. He broke up delicately. He said, I want growth. It's the next chapter in my life. It was kind of finesse. It wasn't angry. It wasn't harsh.

It was, I'm growing. It was very kind, actually. I just feel like it's the next chapter in my life. You absolutely crushed him. All right, now let's go to the next breakup. Paul George, the private breakup. It's classy. Listen, I love you, but let's just do this. No hurt feelings. I'm not going to humiliate you. I'm not happy.

I'd like to go play out Los Angeles. He did the private breakup. And you crushed him. Remember the organization, he even said, trade me. Make a trade now. A year in advance, a private breakup. You crushed him. All right, let's go to another breakup.

How about we go to the Anthony Davis ghosted the girlfriend. So Anthony Davis came out. He just disappeared. He just stopped playing. Where do you go? He won't return my text, my calls. Where do you go? He ghosted the Pelicans.

And he got booed at home. So he tried the ghosting and you crushed him. And finally, the one that started it all. LeBron was hyper-aggressive. I'm going to embarrass you. I'm a humiliate you. I'm going to announce my new girlfriend right on television. And you crushed him.

Translation, they tried every different way. You rip them every time. It's not my responsibility to protect your feelings. It's your responsibility to give me great players I can play with if I'm an all-time talent. And you got a brace for the breakup. Cleveland, he held a press conference. You don't hold press conferences to stay. He was leaving.

You couldn't get him a second All-Star. He was putting up all-time numbers and still losing. You thought he was going to call a press conference to stay? This is why I'm always going to support the NBA superstar. There's only two sports in the world, not even football, as good as Patrick Malmes is. If he didn't have a great coach, if he didn't have those weapons, if their defense didn't play well at the end of the year, Kansas City does not win the Super Bowl.

midway through the fourth. He needs Andy Reid. He needs the O-line. He needs Tyreek Hill. He needs Travis Kelsey. He needed Chris Jones. He needed the defense. It's a community in the NBA and an international soccer.

The star player does control the sport. And especially if the star player can bring one other great star player guarantees success, often guarantees titles. It is not that star's responsibility to brace you for the breakup. Get him better players. If you couldn't figure out in Oklahoma City that Russell Westbrook was not a winning player with Kevin Durant, that is a you problem. If Dan Gilbert and Cleveland fans couldn't figure out, LeBron didn't have one other high-level player. That is a you problem.

I support the play. Even Mello, who I'm critical of, Mello gave you a year and you crushed him. I mean, he did it as classy as you could. It's not you, it's me. I'm an East Coast guy. I love it here in Denver. It's great. The Mile High City.

Very nice. It's very nice weather. It's high desert. Everything. It was like, but I'm kind of an East Coast guy. Yeah, crushed him. And I always, when I always laugh at LeBron James, he wasn't even cocky. Run the tape again.

He's not even cocky. He looks nervous. He's honestly, LeBron's a pretty confident guy. LeBron looks like a kid who put on a really nice dress shirt, wanted to be really classy, and he's sitting down in a chair, and he looks a little scared. Watch. The answer to the question everybody wants to know. LeBron, what's your decision?

And this fall, man, this is very tough. And this fall, I'm going to take my town to South Beach and join the Miami Heat. Miami Heat. That was the conclusion you woke up with this morning. That was the conclusion I woke up with this morning. Really? You're outright by that. boy I tell you we have an outrage culture it started with that I don't remember as a kid

everybody being outraged that was the day the outrage culture in America started you were outraged by that he's so nervous he almost stutters a little bit I mean he's literally talking and he's like oh like this is a lot I've been on TV a lot in my life I can tell when somebody's uncomfortable he is uncomfortable doing it because he knows how he knows how his city is going to react so this is why I support players leaving they try it they break out with you nine different ways. You hate them every time. Well, we were the new girlfriend, so that's fine with me. That's right. Miami was the new girlfriend

with the aqua water in the backyard. Can you blame her? We were thriving. There we go. Coming up next, if I was Russell Wilson, I'd be jealous of Patrick Mahomes. And I don't think Russell Wilson's an envious guy. I think he's got his faith and his conviction and his greatness. But if you're a Russell, you look at Patrick Mahomes. Isn't there a tinge of, man? I'll explain that

coming up. of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying,

and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs,

the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on of TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because. There's a crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your Podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me,

your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field

and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase

that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses.

Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines,

as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app, Search learn the hard way and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show,

I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, Hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42.

Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Clifford Show on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. One thing that hasn't changed this year, how much we depend on cars, go to Carsheel.com. Before the summer breakdowns happen, save thousands on covered repairs. Carsheel.com code heard would save you 10%. Carshield.com code H-E-R-D.

You know, I'm not really kind of a jealous guy, but I would say early in my career, 10, 15 years ago, There were times I watched other people and thought, man, they get great support. Because you can only do, if you don't get support in any business, it doesn't matter how great you are. You could be a great surgeon. You need a good chief of staff. You need good equipment. You need good nurses. You need good support, financial support.

So like there were times in my life early in my career. I feel I have it now and I have for years. But there were a lot of times early I'd be like, I'm not jealous of the money. I just want the support, the marketing, the promotion, the support. And one of the great things about Patrick Mahomes, and this is why. signed the contract. He said it yesterday basically is this is one of the few places in the NFL. You know you're going to get the support owner GM head coach for the next 10, 12 years. There's not many of them. And this is where Russell Wilson comes in. I could see Russell Wilson,

not the envious type, right? Looking at Patrick Mahomes and thinking, day one, GM support, scheme support, weapon support, coach support. They even kept Alex Smith around to mentor him for a year. Now, I'm not saying Patrick's not great. But we all know that Brady's success is tied to the support system. And Carson Palmer's less successful years were tied to less than successful support. Think about Russell Wilson. This morning,

pro football focused ranked the Seattle offensive line 28th in the NFL. The defense, I'll give you the chart last several years. Seattle's defense was number one back in 2013. It's now

to second to fifth to 11th to 16th. year it was 26th. They don't draft particularly well several iffy first and second round picks in the last four to five years. The difference between Mahomes and Russell Wilson, and they are the two best quarterbacks, one guy is being supported philosophically

with weapons, with coaching and schemes every day. The other guy is saving a deteriorating franchise. owner, Paul Allen died, Seattle's looking for another one. General manager, Rashad Penny first round, what are you doing? Coach, the defense doesn't work anymore. I mean, Pete Carroll's defense is getting gash last two years. That doesn't mean they're not competent, but the philosophy of Seattle, defense, coach, run game, the philosophy, and the philosophy of Mahomes is, let's support this all-time talent.

The difference is Kansas City gets they have an all-time talent. Seattle doesn't. Their offensive lines are bad. They've never had an elite wide receiving core. Their philosophy is anti-quarterback win the game. They have a Jurassic. I mean, it's such an outdated offense. And Russell Wilson's been begging for the last two years.

Can I have more input on the offense? Patrick Mahomes doesn't have to beg. In fact, Patrick Mahomes has had impact. on who the Chiefs draft. They've asked him, which receiver do you think works? Do you think they do that in Seattle? Did Russell Wilson?

You got to be kidding me. He just begs for support. I can see Russell looking at that and saying, listen, I love where I'm at, and I got my Super Bowl, but man, the philosophy in Kansas, we have the two best quarterbacks in the league. The philosophy in Kansas City is total support build around him.

The philosophy in Seattle sometimes feel like it's antagonistic. They both have one Super Bowl. I think they'll both win another, but man, see Russell Wilson looking at that and saying, I am a little jealous of the philosophical weapon coaching

schematic support. Mahomes gets in Kansas City. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Patriots made a big move bringing in Cam Newton, but it doesn't mean he'll automatically get the start week one.

According to Tom Curran, Cam understands that there will be an open quarterback competition in New England, but he's already studying the playbook and the team is confident that he will master it. Hearn adds that it is inevitable that a healthy camp will start at some point this season. That seems obvious. Yeah, I mean, we talked a little bit about this yesterday. Rob Nankovic said that he should start on the depth chart as the third string quarterback behind Brian Hoyer and Jared Stidham.

Ross Tucker said, you know, that he's going to have some trouble with the, he may have some trouble with the system and Jared Stidham is already in there and all those things. Look, I think that once we get in camp, this is going to be a conversation that's going to be it immediately because Cam is a 10-year NFL quarterback and was the number one overall pick and former MVP and played in the Super Bowl. And just that depth of experience alone would really only be, then it would be a conversation between him and Brian Hoyer, not Jared Sidham. Obviously, Jared Sidham doesn't have any experience.

We don't know what Jared Sidham is, right? Before this Cam thing all started, we were both very skeptical of what was being pitched to us. Like, neither one of us bought into it, but we're like, all right, they're not getting enough, they're not making any effort to get any of these other. quarterback so clearly they are rolling with Jared Siddum. Yeah. They brought Cam Nune in to be the starter. He's not going to sit behind Jared Siddum unless it is a health issue.

Well, I also think this. The one thing I think is tough for Cam is he's not going to get all the snaps. And that was, Brady used to be so territorial. Brady would, Brady would be offended if he didn't get all the snaps. The issue here is there's going to be a quarterback competition, which would be fine. if both had been in the system for multiple years. No OTA, a bridge camp. I am going to be fascinated to see how long we have camp before potentially COVID guys back.

You know, so I think it's tougher for Kim. I think this is really an uphill battle for him. I think it's tough for anybody to walk. I said this before with Joe Burrow. He's going to be bad this year. Joe Burrow is going to be bad this year. Yeah, but Joe Burrow is a rookie going to the Bengals. But he'll get every snap.

He'll be bad this year. Right. I don't know that he'll be bad. He's just going to have some struggles this year. He went to the worst team in the last. league by far. They were terrible last year. That's why they had the number one overall pick. And I haven't made that many dramatic changes other than Joe Burrow from last year to this year. And everything else that you just mentioned that we're dealing with with the pandemic. So yes,

it's going to be uphill battle for him and any rookie quarterback. But Cam's not a rookie quarterback. So going through camp and all that's other things, my only concern with Cam is his health. As far as the system and everything else goes, might be a little rocky for a couple weeks. But as long as there is a camp, there's going to be a visible, obvious difference between Cam Newton and Jared Sidham because I didn't have buying to Jared Sidham before and that's not going to change now. We'll talk more about the story on Joy Chat today at 330 Eastern on caffeine, free app. Go download it and subscribe to the Fox Sports channel. So speaking of all that, Bruce Ariens once stepped away from football for our health for health concerns,

but he's decided not to opt out in 2020. But it'll be taking extra precautions this year and is realistic about players being exposed to the virus. He said, we've got to be careful. The players, they're going to all get sick. That's for sure. it's just a matter of how sick they get. Remember, Ariens is a three-time cancer survivor. So he said he is nervous about it for himself.

He's going to be, you know, probably the two-mask guy and, you know, be extra careful. You know, there are a lot of older coaches on a lot of these staff, so they are going to take extra precautions. But I don't know that I would go as far to say everyone is going to get sick. I think it's, you know, we really have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow, let alone a few months from now. I mean, I watched Florida in Texas and I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I have no answers.

I got no answers on this stuff. Well, yeah, that's probably. Nobody has any answers. I don't have any. And it changes day to day, week to week, what the answers are. So two, three months from now, who knows what the landscape is going to look like. Yesterday, there's people on Fox News saying masks don't matter. And I'm thinking, I think masks matter.

Now I'm being told they don't matter. Well, I mean, is it the CDC that's saying that? I mean. Because if it's not the CDC or Fauci, I really don't particularly care. Here's all I know. It's way tougher to get it if you're eight feet away from somebody wearing a mask. I'm going to say that I know. How does it get spread? Like, does it get spread through your elbows?

Right. Does it spread through like your hair? Your mouth and nose. So why would a mask be irrelevant? Yeah. Yesterday that's what people are saying. And I'm like, okay, now we're just making crap up. We're just making stuff up on it.

Listen to the CDC. Listen to Fauci. Anyone else is just giving you their opinion. opinion, and that's on you if you choose to take it. That's right. So the Chiefs will have Patrick Mahomes for the next dozen years, but will 62-year-old Andy Reid be around for that long to be his coach? There's no way of knowing, obviously, but he's definitely not considering retirement just yet. Listen, Herbie, I haven't got to that point mentally where I'm thinking about retirement.

I love doing what I'm doing. One of the great things about this job is when you look forward to coming to work, deal with guys, the players, the coaches, and I'm lucky enough to be around good players and coaches. But listen, if it takes me into my 70s, let's roll. Herbie, Godgun it. I'm ready to go. Yeah, and he's also, Andy has a very youthful, joyful personality. He's like fun and happy.

There are people that get to 60 and you're like, they're an old 60. Annie's a young 60. He's like a fun guy, very pro player. I mean, like Michael Vick talks about him like a father. Like you talk to guys who had Andy Reid. Players are like, they love Andy. And he still has great relationships with all of his former players. He would be 74 if he made it all the way through Mahomes' extension.

But the one interesting thing about Andy Reid, as we know, is that he has a great coaching tree. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's reaching towards the end of his, you know, whatever his career is. How about he coaches? He doesn't coach all the way through that he is, grooming someone who is perfect for his replacement. And by the way, you keep Andy in the building.

And Andy can go, you just keep Andy in the building. One of his guys takes over and they're like, you know what, stick around for a few. The Hunt family's like, stick around for three years. Be in the building. Be a consultant. Just be around. Yeah. Everybody loves Andy.

You want, Andy's one of those guys. You want him in the, I feel like this about Nick Saban. I just want him in the building. Make him the athletic director at Alabama in his 80s. Just watch film session on Mondays. And just like write down one or two things, give it to the coach. Like some guys they just want in the room. I mean, you reach a certain point in your life and your career where the proximity to your genius is beneficial because you're no longer obviously in that shot-calling situation, but having you around isn't intimidating to the next coach.

Joy of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. My next guest is one of my favorite people in the world. He's very funny. He's at the ringer. He also does slow newsday videocast.

Very, very funny guy. Kevin Clark joining us now via the Cowder. Global Satellite Network. Okay, so Kevin, I saw this poll, this ESPN quarterback poll, and they talked to all these executives, very smart people, very experienced, and it was absurd. One guy has Lamar Jackson as 12th best, Carson Wentz is 14th best. Somebody has Russell Wilson as ninth best. Now, Aaron Rogers was number three.

Now, my theory is Mahomes Wilson are my favorite to argue anybody after that. Your thought on Aaron Rogers as number three. Does that work for you? Well, the Packers already told us what they thought about Aaron Rogers and the quarterback pecking order where they took a quarterback in the first round. And I like Aaron Rogers. I think he's at an incredible career. But if you're the third best quarterback in the NFL, your team is not trying to actively

replace you down the road. That's just sort of how this works. So I think Lamar Jackson being out of the top five is quite frankly absurd. I understand some of the logic behind why those sort of bad votes would come in. But it doesn't make any sense. Who's catching up with Lamar Jackson? That's the line on him. Who's catching up with him over Zoom this offseason?

We've all been on Zoom calls. Nothing gets done, Colin. And the fact that the teams think that the Steelers or the Bengals or the Browns are all of a sudden going to be able to contain Lamar Jackson when there's not a real offseason, not a truncated training camp or a different training camp, I just find it when I think about these sort of polls, I think, who would I rather have for a play, a game, or a season? And aside from Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes, who you just mentioned, Lamar Jackson's number three for me.

And that's how I view this. And I just think that having him out of the top five is a little bit ridiculous. And having Aaron Rogers, so again, I like being number three is also a bit ridiculous. It's all in reputation. This is not a 2020 list. It's reflective of anything. You know, I said yesterday that Mahomes and Russell Wilson are the only people I give a 10-year deal to, not just because they're great, but I think they're really mature.

I've obviously been very critical of Baker Mayfield. I was very critical early of Johnny Mansell, James Winston. I thought their college immaturity followed them to the NFL. Russell Wilson and Mahomes to me, you sign them, and I know nine years later, they beat me to the facility. So to me, those are the two tenure guys. Your thought on a 10-year contract, would you give, did you think it was too many years?

Your thought about just the length of it? Here's all I know. I know that in 12 years when this deal is done. The only thing you still not be able to defend is the perfectly thrown pass. And Patrick Mahomes throws those. I would have signed him to a 20-year deal if I could have if the cap numbers made sense. Because I know, first of all, he's probably in another mega extension after this because he's only going to be in his mid-30s.

But beyond that, he's just going to have a style of play that ages well. Aside from maybe losing a little bit of that ability to move in the pocket in his mid-30s, he throws perfect passes. He throws down the field, passes that are statistically a risk for any other quarterbacking doesn't make mistakes on them. That's going to age well over the next 12 years. And so I think 10 years it's fine. There's really no risk in it. Russell Wilson obviously is a little bit older. He also seems more comfortable taking the short-term deal and betting on himself. Also, as you've talked about, the situation in Seattle is a little more precarious. He's not put in the best situation a quarterback

can possibly be put in as Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson are. And so I just think that if you were to bet on anybody for the next 12 years, the only guy, I would do that with it's Patrick Mahomes because, quite frankly, he's going to age better than anybody in the NFL. You know, it's interesting about Russell Wilson. I'm a Seattle kid, and so I think people think I'm being very parochial when I support Russell. But what I have said is generally in the NFL, a team gets a great young quarterback, and they build around him. Seattle is almost antagonistic. The O-line, again, this year is terrible. They don't draft receivers particularly well. The tight ends have been so-so. It's a defense run the football first franchise. And now they're defense isn't very good. And I don't think this is in the DNA of Russell Wilson to be envious as a

person, but I could see him looking at Mahomes and saying, God, this kid gets schematic support, philosophical support, coaching support. They kept Alex Smith around for a year. He gets mentor support. Do you think a little bit of Russell Wilson is, could I get a break here? Could we draft? I think that's possible. Your thoughts? Grading on a degree of difficulty, on a scale here, Russell Wilson, year and year out, turns in some of the most impressive performances for any quarterback because of what he has to deal with.

No one creates a dynasty or wins a Super Bowl because they drafted a great quarterback. It's that they drafted the great quarterback and then figured out what to do with them. And the Seahawks got the first step, but it seems like they screwed up everything else after. Pete Carroll is a very good coach. But Patrick Mahomes has Eric B. Enemy, Andy Reid,

he was able to have for a year, Mike Kafka as his personal quarterback's coach when Andy and Eric were dealing, and Matt Nagy were dealing with Alex Smith, he's been given every single opportunity to be a great quarterback. And that's not even getting into the schemes, whereas Russell Wilson gets Brian Schottenheimer, who I think is a fine assistant, but not a good play caller. He gets a run first offense. He gets a coach who doesn't want to let him work his magic until the fourth quarter. And I just think that it's in, some ways of football tragedy that we won't get to see Russell Wilson with just a high-octane play caller like like a lot of the great quarterbacks have gotten, whether that's Sean Peyton, whether that's Andy Reed. But in other ways, it's almost inspiring that he's been able to be the second best quarterback despite all of this. It's just different. Russell Wilson is an amazing quarterback. I compare him to Dave Grohl in a sense that he was playing a totally different role with the beginning of this stuff. He was just more of a, even though he's really good as a rookie, he was not the focal point of that team. And now he's the focal point of that

franchise. I mean, he is, without him, they'd be lost in the wilderness. And so I am pro Russell Wilson. I feel like I wish there was some way to see him in a perfect quarterback situation. I just don't see it happening in Seattle in the near future. Kevin Clark joining us the ringer. You know, I was thinking about Cam Newton this morning. So in Carolina, they wanted to make him a pocket passer at the end to protect him long term. But New England's like, he's a rental. Rental cars, go to a hotel. You don't treat the room as good. could New England just be saying with Cam is, you know what? This is not a long-term thing.

We're going to run the football with him. We're going to go back to what he did first five years in the league. I have this feeling that Belichick looks at Kansas City's offense and Baltimore's offense and thinks the only way I can beat them is ball control and that we go back to the Cam early in his career, which is he takes some shots, but they are a company. Do you know last year, Kevin, they threw 39 times a game in New England? I could see them throwing 21 times a game. game and being Cam, it's almost a collegiate offense.

Your thoughts? Yeah, I think that Bill Bellocheck and Josh McDaniels have always been obsessed with the spread and being able to run it. They went down to Florida, Josh did in 2006, met with Dan Mullen, and wanted to know all about that college stuff. They got to run in some regards with Tom Brady, but not all the way. And by the way, when Josh was meeting with Dan Mullen down there, that was when they were recruiting Cam Newton to Gainesville.

Okay. So they understand how that offense could have worked. And I think that when you start to look at all the creative things, Bill Belichick has never done with the quarterback because he had Tom Brady, nice problem to have, they have the best quarterback of all time. He's going to get to do that. I think you're going to see running.

I think you're going to see Cam Newton want to run. And I think it's going to be a very simple season. What I mean by that is, as I said, everybody's on Zoom. If you've got an advantage, you can just hammer that over and over and over, Colin. And I keep calling at the Occam's Razor season, right? If you have one good player or one good scheme, you're going to be able to catch guys flat-footed. And I just think that Cam Newton being able to run and pass is going to be enough if he's healthy with that defense to get you into playoff contention.

There is an extra wildcard team this year. I just think that Cam Newton is going to be able to steal you some games because of the schemes, because of the style of play. I'm in on this. And by the way, worst case scenario is you pay a million and a half dollars to go away. Everybody goes their separate ways. the Patriots are still, if you add up everybody in that quarterback room, they would be the 19th highest paid quarterback in the NFL. They are doing this at a discount.

The upside is unimaginably high. I love this move. It's a classic Patriots flyer. His name is Kevin Clark. He does Slow Newsday videocast. I watched that the other day. It was great as always, my friend. It's a pleasure to have you on.

And thank you again, Kevin. Anytime, Kyle. You bet. Yeah, the camp thing's kind of fascinating because if he's not long term, he's a different player. In Carolina, it was he's a long-term guy. We're not going to make him vulnerable. But if you look at him and you're like, little rental car feel here,

like we got him for a year. Let's just do what he does best. Let's just run the football. Rex Burkhead, we redid his contract. We're just going to run the football. And he's going to pass 22 times a game. They don't have a legitimate tight end. They don't have a deep threat.

So what's the point? You could really experiment for a year with Camman just say, we're going to be a running offense. By the way, do you know last year, six of the eight teams that ended up at the end of the season? We're run first team. San Francisco, Tennessee, Baltimore, Green Bay, Minnesota, Seattle.

Like the run game has not disappeared. In Kansas City, you just have the world's best quarterback. No, but we just go through waves of how much we value running backs and how much do running backs really get paid and then someone comes out of nowhere, so do you really have to pay running backs? But we were just talking about this the other day. Why would you not shape what you do around what do quarterback does best?

Does that make perfect sense? We were talking about this with Burrow. This is a situation you have committed to for a year with Cam Newton, Right? So just do what Cam Newton does best and take advantage of it. Yeah. Coming up next, the critics of Lamar Jackson, I think they're overthinking the room. And I've seen this in the NBA, and I've seen it in baseball. And I've seen it everywhere.

That's next to hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending. Opinions are flying. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

I'm Timbo. Every episode we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports slice brings you closer to the action, with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett.

And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick you here. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack,

so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black. Black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite

therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, We get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough because people scoreboard watch.

Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust.

I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Keer Gang. is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the Fourth.

And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, A, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42.

Hey, Rhett, my mama want you to weigh better. What? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Geico right now offering 15% credit and car RV policies and motorcycle policies. You got to sign up by October 7th, though. Visit geico.com to learn more or to good prices, 15% off Geico. So, you know, it's funny.

When Zion was coming in the NBA, a lot of these basketball people, they were just nitpick, nitpick, nitpick, nitpick. And I said, he's going to be a top 20 player in the NBA. Why? Look at his body. I mean, all the critics now, and there's radio hosts and former players, look at his body. There's nothing else out there like that. Nobody's 270 that strong and that powerful.

And in the NBA, which is now a cardio league, it's a lot of European centers that have no interest taking a charge from Zion. He's just stronger than everybody else. It's not hard to figure out. So I said top 20 player, that's exactly what he is. 25 a game, 59 from the floor, seven rebounds. And he's not even refined yet. He's getting better and better and better.

Steph Curry has been marginalized by so many people. He's got a unique talent, ball handling, shooting best in the world. The rest he'll figure out. First thing I figured out and all this stuff, you don't have to be a perfect player. But if you have a unique talent or skill set that other people, people can't duplicate. Nobody will ever figure you out. Everybody knew what side of the floor LeBron James wants to go to. They can't stop it. Everybody knew MJ's stock moves. They couldn't stop him. So Lamar Jackson, in this latest ESPN poll for quarterbacks, a scout

rated him as the 12th best quarterback in the NFL. And one of the quotes is, as more teams figure out Baltimore's offense, they won't be caught off guard. people aren't being caught off guard with him. They can't freaking catch him. This is not a caught off guard thing. All you have to do is watch his Louisville numbers. He runs. Not all the time, but he runs.

You know, we can't figure. Nobody's going up defensively and getting in the box and going, listen, he's slow and immobile and never runs. Everybody's like, oh, holy hell, he's the fastest guy in the league. He may run. He does, and you can't stop. him. And it's not like the schemes by Baltimore are tricking people. This is the offense that Greg Roman's been running for years. He did it with Kaepernick. They're doing it again. Everybody

knows Greg Roman's been in the league forever. Everybody knows his schemes. They're not tricking people. I mean, New England was really smart. Last year they didn't win the Super Bowl. Why? They didn't have enough good players. You can only trick people so far in the NFL. I'm not saying trick plays don't work. I'm not saying Andy Reid's schemes aren't. I'm not saying the stuff doesn't work. But in the And Kansas City trailed for three quarters in that game. They won, and it wasn't on schemes. Mahomes made plays. Jimmy G. didn't.

And I like Jimmy G. But the idea you're going to figure out Lamar Jackson. Okay, let's say you do. So he's going to go from MVP to really good. Like this idea that these critics are like he's going to bottom out, he's going to fall through the floor. No, he's not. As long as he doesn't get hurt. And is that elusive, nobody else runs like that.

nobody else in the league there's not a linebacker that runs like that there's not a there's not a safety that's as fast as him there's not a linebacker that's as fast as him and there's not a defensive end or defensive line that is there may be a few corners and baltimore then schematically puts it in a space where you know they move two receivers to one side and there go you're too fastest corners and he goes to the other side so i see this all the time one of the jerk novitsky 20 years and 12 of them over 20 points gangly awkward, he'd shoot with his knee up. Nobody figured him out. Nobody figured him out. By the way, there's a hockey player name, and I know you're laughing at me talking hockey, named Alex Ovechkin. And there's a term used on PowerPlay. He's the best PowerPlay hockey player, he and Gretzky ever. And there's a term called The Office. He basically just stays in the same spot during PowerPlay. Never moves. They call it the office. That's his office. And you still can't stop him. Nobody figures out great talent.

His slap shot, his power, his consistency, he just sits in the office. There's a term for where he sits on the ice during a power play, and you can't stop it. Nobody, my point is, nobody figures out unique. I mean, even great magicians, we know it's not magic. But the great ones, you cannot see the cards appear. You watch it in slow motion. It's like, I don't understand that. How do you make a motorcycle disappear?

I watched it on YouTube in slow-mo. You can't even figure out magicians, and that's fake. You're not going to figure out athletes. Nobody goes to the line with Lamar Jackson and goes, he's slow, and he'll never run. Wow, he ran. It caught us off guard. They know he's moving. They can't catch him.

He may not be an MVP again, but you ain't figuring him out. If he's healthy, 10 years plus. You're not figuring Lamar Jackson out. Hour one, hour two next, the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear.

The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast. network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs?

Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests.

I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross,

because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines,

as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast. Learn the hard way. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the hard way and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th.

And on my podcast, The Cliverts show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out.

Quarterback on office blue with 42. A rep, mom, I'm a one. want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

Ah, this is The Heard. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're in Los Angeles. We're live on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Dana White on Fight Island will be joining me in about 15 minutes. Joy Taylor is joining me. as Ola is alongside. Thank you so much for joining us.

I took a COVID-19 test yesterday. I was negative because what's happened in my life, it's my third test, third negative. If I feel hot, I'm like, I can't infect the staff. So I run to the doctor and they jam this thing into my nose. And now I take a test where I can find out in like 15 minutes. My doctor has a new thing in his office. That's great.

Yeah. So 15 minutes, he's like, no, you don't have it. And he said, he goes, I don't think you have it. Do you have any symptoms? I said I'm hot because I think it's in your head. It has become Like honestly anytime anything even slightly fills off I'm like

And I got to ride it through And then of course it's nothing but like But the thing is you could be asymptomatic too So that's why it's just like a it's It is a constant cloud of anxiety Wondering if you have it or not So the last hour of the show yesterday I felt like hot And I'm like I just getting kind of I just felt hot

And I'm like well I was in 7000 feet altitude for a few days I had a couple cocktails I was very active outside. I got kind of sunburn. I thought maybe that's it. And I got in the car and I'm like, no, no, I got COVID. And so then I drove to the doctor and he's like, I don't think you have it. I'm like, I'm hot. I'm very, very hot right now. My stomach's not right. I don't feel right. Coughing. And so I said, okay, I take the test and I don't. And here's what's funny. So he goes, go home. I'll text you. 15 minutes later. It's like, yeah, negative. Within 10 minutes, I felt great. Which means it's all in my head.

Well, yes. That's what I'm saying. Like that for me too. Everything. anytime anything even slightly feels off. I'm like, but I have to ride it out because then an hour later I'm like, I'm fine. It's not a lingering. Isn't amazing that what your body can do, like how your mind? You can't convince yourself that you're sick.

Yes, you absolutely can't. I convince myself. But for us, I think there's the added anxiety, of course, that we could get other people sick. Yeah, that was my thing. I'm like, okay, now what am I doing? What am I doing right now? So I'm fine.

And I get tested every day when I walk in the building. They do my temperature. And then my temperature's always fine. I'm a cold. I'm below. 98, 6 is the average. I'm always like 97. 8. Yeah, I've been 97 all week. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just, we're just trying to be responsible. That's right. But man, is it in my head. The minute he gave me the negative, I was like,

I feel like especially with everything that's happening right now, everyone I'm talking to is going through the same thing. Really? Everyone just has this anxiety. Is it psychosomatic? Is that what they call it? Isn't there a term for it or something? Well, you know, it's also the same thing we're talking about. Like, people are back at work. They feel responsibility to other people to not be that person that's going. into work, be sick on purpose, not on purpose, but, you know, ignoring symptoms and things like that. You just be responsible. We're trying to manage all this together. Yeah.

Together being the operative word there. You'd think. Care about others. Yes. You know. So, you know, it's interesting. I'm always impressed. You know, let's say your parents went to Harvard and then you go to Harvard. And you could say, oh, you're book smart. Well, that's fine. But, you know, you don't really control your intellect. I mean, if you have smart parents, they give you genetically their intellect. I mean, a lot of smart kids had smart parents, right? But what I'm always impressed with is not the IQ.

It's the EQ, emotional intelligence. That blows me away. I'm always blown away when you find a 24-year-old kid and he really gets it. A lot of 24-year-old kids are tech whizzes. You know, they're on computers all day. But that's fine. That's impressive. But when somebody really gets it, a young person that they,

understand macro and big picture and how they affect others. I'm always like, that's good parenting. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's rare. Patrick Mahomes is classic. So Drew Brees and Tom Brady figured it out much later in their careers. If I take less money, I get better people around me. So a lot of media people who have low EQs didn't get Patrick Mahomes signing a long-term deal, which is actually, if you look at the numbers,

of team friendly. Patrick Mahomes got it. One of the things, just think about this. If Patrick Mahomes takes every last penny, worst defense, has to win by shootout, has to pass now 40 times, probably can't pay for a great left and right tackle, gets hit more, gets sacked more. But if he passes 34 times a game with a better left tackle and a better right tackle and a better defense, there'll be days, Patrick Mahomes can turn, hand it off, seal that puppy up, late third, win the game. Big picture thinking. If you're trying to get every penny out, you're going to have to win by shootout. Translation, you'll have to throw more. Translation, you'll get hit more. And Mahomes was talking about that yesterday, how he talked to his dad,

who was a former athlete, about being part of getting the money thing off the table, the stress, and saving a little long-term. so the entire franchise isn't reliant on you throwing 43 times every Sunday? Obviously, being able to talk to my dad about it, be able to talk to LaTroi about it, and them going to the process of they didn't sign that long-term contract, but they saw players who did and they saw players who went about it and how they kind of got that long-term security and were able to go out there and play free knowing that they had the security that they had always wanted.

I think the biggest thing that they preached to me is kind of the same thing that I I had already thought, and it was good just to hear them. It's like, you want to have great players around you. You don't want to be a guy that takes up all the money, and then all of a sudden you're having to find different guys that will take cheaper deals. We're going to be able to reward players and keep a lot of these guys around

that have built the culture even before I was here. Totally gets it. It's like 24 years old. Brady figured it out later. Breeze figured it out later. But for the young guys to get it, like I don't want to be 44 throws a game. Like you got to understand in this league.

It's a salary cap sport. It also shows that he's secure in himself, that he's not driven by money, that in the end, when you're really, really great, you don't have to project. You have confidence in yourself. And confidence in yourself is, I'm chasing goat status,

not biggest bank account status. He knows, man, I got to Andy Reid. I can start stacking these things. I may get four Super Bowls. So that shows me an incredible amount of confidence that it's not about my bank account. I'm going to make a lot of money. If I do this right, I'm going to have a Pro Bowl left tackle, a Pro Bowl tight end, a Pro Bowl defensive end, a Pro Bowl corner, a Pro Bowl Mike Linebacker.

You know, just a very impressive guy, not just a quarterback. You know, he also, in Terry Bradshaw, by the way, brought up something on yesterday's show that the titles, they become part of you. They stick to you. like the money doesn't stick to you you'll spend that the government will take half your agent will take some but bradshaw talked about what people talk about 30 years later i've never had a soul ever ever asked me hey bradshaw how much money did you make hey bradshaw how many yards did you throw for hey bradshaw how many touchdown passes did you did you uh throw for they always wonder what

show me the ring that is what this is about patrick understands this is a lot of money It is. There was another moment where Mahomes talked about how he wanted a long-term deal because Kansas City is one of the few teams. And I'm going to let Patrick say this. Kansas City is one of the few teams that he'd feel comfortable signing this deal with. You can't do this with every single organization. But we have an organization with the stability and the culture that we have in the chief organization. very comfortable and had a lot of trust that I could do a contract like this, knowing that we're going to have that same stability by the time I'm at the end of that contract. It's remarkable how rare it is. Kansas City's got an A owner Hunt family, A GM, Brett Veach, a coach Andy Reed.

And you start saying, oh, it must be like eight, nine teams like that. I count three. Kansas City, Philadelphia, Baltimore. You say, what about New England? Well, they don't have a real general manager. And I don't like the way they draft. I don't. I don't think they draft particularly well. Well, their owner passed away.

The daughter doesn't want to own it. And John Schneider doesn't really have power as a GM. It's all Pete Carroll's franchise. Well, what about San Francisco? We were crushing Jed York when he hired Jim, Tom, Sulla, and Chip Kelly. That was five years ago. We were crushing him. Pittsburgh. They've got a lot of high grades.

I'm not sure it's all an A. Indianapolis. Owners too impulsive. I count three in the league. KC. Philly, Baltimore. I get a supportive owner that doesn't meddle. I get a great GM who has a very good relationship

with a coach. But the GM makes the calls. The GM makes the picks. And a head coach who creates a system based on the players. It's not my system, Seattle, and you just try to work your way around it. It is rarefied air.

This is why it works in Kansas City. He's got the owner, the GM, the coach. And man, you start looking around this league. I got Philly, Kansas City, Baltimore. That's it. Aaron Rogers. They don't have an owner. And they frankly haven't taken advantage of some of Aaron's talent.

Seattle, I just talked about that last hour. Don't take advantage of Russell Wilson's talent. Even the teams that we think, oh, they have a good fan base, they have good money, they have some good players, they have a good coach. To really get the AAA, owner GM coach, so rare. So rare in this league. All right, Dana White from Fight Island. You know, I said this very early when we had the virus.

I said, you're going to have to be aggressive on this thing because we're not going to solve it. You're only going to manage this virus. I don't think anybody's done a better job than Dana White and UFC. They have done an unbelievable job with this. It has been wildly entertaining. It's really difficult. There's no easy answers. There's no easy days.

And Dana's now living on an island. And they're going to have a fight card. And I'm going to watch it. And he's going to be joining us next from the island. This is the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source. the athlete themselves.

Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sportslice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife Life 12. and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.

Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down,

and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough

because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely.

And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast. Learn the hard way. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the hard way and listen now.

What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. A rep. My mom, I'm a one. you to wave at her. What? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the I-HartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Whether you're working from home or working on your fitness, you want to hear your music, not your roommates, Raycon's wireless earbuds are the way to go, 15% off by Raycon.com. slash H-E-R-D. So we're trying to get Dana White. This is not an easy remote. pull off. He's in Abu Dhabi. They're going to host four UFC events in July. It's called

Fight Island or Y-A-S-Yaz Island. There's been pictures about it. It looks very scenic and very amazing. It's like an amusement park of islands. And he decided a while back is, I'm just going to take this sport out of the country, find an island and get fights. And it's working. I think Jacksonville was the first place they went. And I think what you have to do. do during COVID is you have to watch other leagues, learn from their mistakes, do the best you can. But I will say this. The UFC has never been PC. This is one of the reasons that UFC has worked during COVID. They don't care what Twitter thinks. The bottom line is they want to get fights on. This is hard for American business. I mean, I'm coming into my building now getting tested multiple

times. You've got to at some point realize that young athletes may get it. It can't stop your sport. and I give UFC a lot of credit for this. I've said before, SEC football, NASCAR, and UFC. They're hyper-aggressive sports. Timid is not getting through COVID-19. If you look at the data, athletes, young athletes, are the safest. And Dana White can ruffle feathers, but I think what they've done is really smart and really aggressive,

and I can't wait to watch it. I've watched every card they've had during COVID, and Dana's the president of UFC. He is joining us now via the Coward Global Saturday. satellite network. So, you know, Dana, you got some pushback initially and we kept saying on the air, folks, you better have guts on this. You better not sit on Twitter because you got to push back on this thing. We can't be paralyzed in the economy. You go three months ago, Dana, you were getting a lot of heat for this. Did it bother you at any point? Were you cautious at

any point thinking I'm going too far and just going to be aggressive against COVID? Very well said. I agree with you 100%. And it's not that I ever felt like, you know, there was too much heat. It was just incredible the amount of people that tried to stop it from happening. Literally, you know, mixed martial arts reporters, people who cover this sport, who get paid to cover this sport, were doing everything in their power to try to stop our events. And obviously they were not successful. And we have been very successful throughout this thing.

Now, I don't know much about Yaz Island. I saw the pictures and I said, get me there fast. Was it your first option? Did you know about it before this? Well, what happened was when Khabib got stuck in Russia and, you know, it was looking like I wasn't going to be able to get him out for the Tony Ferguson fight. I started looking at Abu Dhabi and, you know, they said we have an island available that you guys can do the fight on. You could do it over at Yaz Island.

And I've had a lot of experience out here in Abu Dhabi. These people are brilliant forward thinkers who, you know, everything we've done with them has been first class. I knew that these were the right guys to do it with. And again, I was right. These guys are amazing. So this weekend, the welterweight championship fight, and I told you this before, I'm not sucking up. I think you put on wildly entertaining cards. the Tony Ferguson card, and I said this,

it was one of those two best cards I've ever seen. I thought it was unbelievable. I think Gaichi was on that. It was Justin Gaichi and Tony Ferguson. I didn't know much about Gaichi. Now I've had them on the show. So this weekend you've got Kamaro Uzman, Jorge Mosvidal. That's your headline fight for somebody that is a casual UFC fan.

What are we going to see? Well, thank you, first of all. And I agree. These kids have fought. In these fights, like we were in sold-out packed arenas. It's been incredible. They're the reason that this sport has taken off the way that it has. And if you are a casual, I am sure that this has already spilled over.

You've already heard about the Usman-Nazbadov fight. This is one of the major fights. If this wasn't going on right now, we'd be in some big sold-out arena in New York or Vegas or somewhere else. This is a great fight between the champion, Kabar, Luzman versus Jorge Maspedal, who has been on a tear lately. This kid has become a superstar in the last year and a half with his knockout over Till and his incredible like five or seven second flying knee knockout over Ben Ascran. This is a real fight.

And this is the fight that the people wanted to see. This is the fight that the fans wanted and now they're going to get it. You know, go back to the beginning and to today. it feels like to me the quality of UFC fighters is better. There's more disciplines. There's better fighters. There's a new wave of young people. I've always wondered, where do you find them?

Because, you know, you could have gone, you've had the opportunity to go sticky, and you could have gotten NFL guys that retired a lot of them. And you've said, no, no, no, no, I'm going to find the next great crop of guys and grow with them. Can I just ask, where do you find them? Where do your scouts hang out? Where do you see these guys? So what's happened in the last 20 years is the sport has evolved and the athletes have evolved. From the training, nutrition, the list goes on and on.

And now we're getting kids because there's so much more money involved in the sport. We're getting kids that would have played other sports that would have been good football players, good basketball players, whatever it might be, that are turning into professional fighters instead. And these fights go on every weekend all over the world. And our guys keep an eye on every one of these fights, know who the up-and-coming talent is. And when we have our matchmaking meetings, they bring them to me and make me aware of who they think is the next big thing. You know, it is interesting. Connor McGregor's always, you know, Connor McGregor's a salesman.

I get it. I find him entertaining. I've said before he fights all watch. But what's interesting about Connor now, Dana, I just don't think, I think you have better fighters. And that's not a shot at him. I just think the sports evolved. I don't think he's one of the top two or three fighters. If I said to you, Connor McGregor, is not a top five UFC talent right now.

Is that a shot at him? Am I unrealistic? Am I accurate? And that's not, again, I'm not an expert here, but I just think you have better fighters than him. I understand. Yeah, no, there's no doubt that Connor McGregor is one of the best in the world. What's going on with Connor McGregor is what goes on with all professional fighters when they become extremely wealthy. And Connor McGregor is rich.

And he, you know, he gets to pick and choose what he wants to do now. And he's at that point in his career where he's got a few fights left. And I think he wants to, you know, as of right now, he's retired. I wouldn't be surprised if he came out and wanted to fight somebody next year after all these different fights play out. You know, when you look at your, this weekend's card, and we're dealing with, you know, COVID, period. difficult? Is it when you have your relationships with your fighters, some can be married, people are having kids, blah, blah, blah. You're dealing with everything that Americans are dealing with. What are the relationships like with your top fighters and their worries about

this? Is it been, take me inside. How difficult has it been? You're battling what Adam Silver is battling in the NBA and Roger Goodell, except the difference is you're now, you're playing. How difficult is it? I actually think that to Throughout this thing, it's made me and my staff stronger and me and my fighter stronger. I think that, you know, in good times, and the UFC has seen nothing but good times, it's been like this since, you know, 2005. And, you know, in good times, everybody's good. Everything's great. It's in the hard times that you find out who's real.

Who do you really want to be in a foxhole with when things go bad? I know my team. I believe in my team. always I think I have the best team in all of sports, if not all of business. And then with my fighters, my fighters know that when I do something, I'm going to do it right. They know that they're going to be safe. They're going to be protected. No matter how scary this thing is and how much we don't know about it, I feel like the

fighters believe that I'm going to do the right thing and spend any amount of money that it costs to make this thing safe. You know, Dana, you have a very unique personality. You and I have disagreed on stuff. told you before off the air, that you're a maverick and the sport would not have existed or survived or flourished without your personality. And you get a lot of crap from the media, a lot of established media, and you fire right back on it.

Is there ever been a moment you're discouraged by it? Is there ever been a moment you're just like, I can, I'm tired of this stuff? Never. Never. And I've been very, very loud about this. I look at the media as the weak. They are the weak. I'm never going to have a time of my life where the media are going to determine what I do with my business.

When they come out and they write these stories and they say these things at me, I look at these guys and I say, that is exactly what I would expect that guy to say. He is weak. He's afraid. And this doesn't surprise me. So no. It doesn't bother me. And it definitely, it doesn't face me in any way, shape or form. All right.

I just like that we're back on good terms. You're a Vegas. We've always been on good terms. I know, I know. We've never been on bad terms. I know. We've disagreed, like you said, but you and I have never been on bad terms. Dana, I'll be watching.

UFC 251 Fight Island. Can't wait. Love having you on the show. I don't know how we pulled this thing off. You're in Abu Dhabi. I'm in L.A. I don't even understand technology, but it looks great. I don't even get how this is working.

But thank you for doing it. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. You bet. Dana White. You know, we used to have UFC at Fox and it left and went to the other place, but I find it entertaining. And I've said this before. I'm impressed with how they run their business.

I sat in a room with Dana and Frita family years ago. There's certain people, man. There's a certain resolve. You have to be so strong now to be a commissioner. I mean, Adam Silver has got his hands full with this bubble. He has got his hands full with this bubble. He has got his hands full. And my takeaway is COVID's scary, but these are young pro athletes.

And young pro athletes are the safest. NBA is doing a bubble. NHL is doing kind of a bubble. Baseball's not doing a bubble. NFL to this point's not doing a bubble. College football, I think, is going to be very regionalized, get rid of the out-of-conference games. We're just managing this.

That's all we're doing. We're managing it the best we possibly can. If you're asking for perfection, you can't be a commissioner of a sport. You cannot be a commissioner of a sport. It's much easier to be media and pick and choose your stories and give anecdotal evidence. It's harder on these things. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. Sponsored by Mercedes-Bets, the best or nothing. Well, speaking of that, NBA teams have started to arrive in Orlando and enter the bubble. And while Adam Silver says he's so confident that the lead in the league's plan, he admits that more positive tests inside the bubble could bring things to a halt. He said what would be most concerning is once players enter this campus and then go through our quarantine period, then if they were to test positive or if we were to have any positive

tests, we would know we would have an issue. We would know there's an essence in a hole in our bubble or that our quarantine or our campus is not working in some way. Well, how many, though? If you have six tests, you shut down the league? Well, right. So because this is so unpredictable, because it affects everyone so differently, because you could test positive and then a week later

test negative because some of the tests are not accurate. Like there are so, there are no absolutes at all. When it comes to this, it's really kind of impossible to predict how it's going to go which is why I have a lot of apprehension about how this MBA bubble is going to work. And you're right. How many tests is it

before you go to a halt? Because you're supposed to be testing every single day anyway. So there's going to be positive tests. The issue is this is not an absolute quarantine situation. There is staff. There are people running the facilities. There are people working at the hotels. There are people working that are going in and out of the bubble. Listen, if you needed, just think about this. Let's say I need, I'm a husband,

I don't make a huge living, I work in a bubble, I work in food service. I'm married, I have two kids. I need the income. I need the job. And you say, and you think you have something. You could take a Tylenol right before you take your temperature and it knocks down your temperature or two degrees and you fool people. The idea that we have an economic crisis to some level and a crisis. A lot of these people working,

they need work, they need jobs. You can, you know, they ask you questions. Do you have nausea? You could, what do you could say? No. I don't know I'm nausea. You take a Tylenol. You take the temperature. Your temperatures down. I mean, you're how much can you test people? You cannot master this. You're going to have people that are going to be

dishonest because they need jobs. They need work. They didn't come for their family. And even if they aren't being this honest, you can be asymptomatic. That's right. So there is no absolute way of knowing that everyone inside the bubble is 100% safe. Yeah. Because even as he's talking about, all the players now that are arriving are going through a quarantine period where they're tested and then they're quarantined and then they're going to be tested again

and tested again and test it again until they are completely negative, right? In theory. But then they are eventually going to be around somebody who has been outside of the bubble. So there is going to be some level of exposure or whole. hole in the bubble. I wish we could find a different name for the bubble. But that's what it is. Like it's just, it's not a situation that you can control. But we're just going to have to ride it out together and see, see what happens. They're going to manage it the best they can, like you said. So Mario Chalmers was a member of the heat when the Bron James took his talents

to South Beach 10 years ago today. What a wonderful day it was. Wonderful anniversary. But when the two-time champ was asked, who was the best leader he ever played with? He took a brief pause. and he went with a different Heat teammate. He said Dwayne Wade was the best leader that he's ever played with. Well, that's because LeBron was always yelling at Mario. LeBron was yelling at Mario a lot. A lot. I feel like everyone was yelling at Mario a lot.

We love Mario Chalmers. He is a special place in Heat fans' hearts. But he played with Wade for seven seasons and only played with LeBron for four. But I also don't have a problem with this answer at all. I mean, this is one of those answers where it's like it's not an insult that Dwayne Wade is a slightly better leader to someone than LeBron James. Well, and also I think LeBron, I think Dwayne may have been a better leader at that time. I think LeBron is older now, and I think LeBron is a better leader at L.A.

than he probably was his first year or two in Miami. That's okay. You know, it's not leadership is, you're not born with it. You generally, very, very few NBA guys at 21 are leaders. They become leaders at 31. They become better leaders. Well, you have just more experiences. You're dealing with different personalities.

But also, I think this situation in Miami was so unique, because after that first finals where obviously we know LeBron had the meltdown and it didn't go very well, Dwayne Wade made the effort and the move to turn that team over to LeBron James. And that was a leadership decision by Dwayne Wade because it was Dwayne Wade City and Dwayne Wade's team. And that was not going to work. They were not going to be able to win a championship that way. LeBron was a better player at that point. He needed to be the alpha leader number one.

And Wade made that decision and made that move to change the future of, of the heat and the future of LeBron's career. Yeah, Duane made some sacrifices. Right. No question. A lot of people made sacrifices, but it's a team game. At the end of the day, we look at the NBA as such a individual sport because we do focus so much on the stars. But the role players, guys like Mario Chalmers, Mike Miller, Shane Badiye, Ray Allen.

Ray Allen. And Dwayne Wade, not being a role player, obviously being the other star, but being able to take a slight back seat to LeBron James to allow him to reach that level of greatness is what to allow those championships to happen. So defenses in the NFC South will be dealing with the new reality of facing Tom Brady this year and Saints defensive coordinator Dennis Allen thinks his team is ready for it. He said it's certainly a huge challenge for us. There's the study that we've got to do of Tom in New England as well as studying Bruce Ariens and Byron Leftwich, their offense, their philosophy, and then trying to merge those two together.

That will be difficult for us to deal with, but it is a challenge we are excited about. It is a challenge. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I'm just looking forward to watching the football that's going to be. played. It's going to be the best. I don't know if it'll be the best division. It'll be the most entertaining division. I get Drew Breeze and Brady facing each other twice a year. And then I think we both said Carolina is going to ruin people's season. They won't be a great team, but they're going to be good enough offensively. They will ruin somebody's season. Absolutely are.

But it's interesting that he's saying that's how they're studying it, right? Because they're studying Byron Lefwich and Bruce Ariens and they're studying Tom Brady. Because we don't know what Tom Brady is going to look like. We've never even imagined him. I don't even. I don't even It's going to be so different. Just the whole offense. I can't wait to watch it. His attitude and approach is different now. Like, he's this crazy rebel with a suntan running around,

sneaking off the practices and breaking in people's homes. Like, he's just a completely, I don't know if he's different or if he's just letting loose now. It's a midlife crisis NFL style. He's literally, he's literally staying up late at night, lipstick on the, you know, the collar. Like, what happened to Tom? He's just a different guy now. I just can't wait to watch it. I'm saying here.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Nate Robinson, who grew up near my hometown of Seattle, he was a Husky football star. Could have played in the NFL. Chose basketball.

His thoughts on the bubble in Orlando and this season as it continues coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down,

give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black. people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English.

Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we discussed correct. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. So, you're finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition, Mental Health Awareness Month. I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing.

And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good. good person while you hear on earth or are you a good person because you're afraid because that's two different intentions bro absolutely and that that's two different levels of trust i want you to just really be a good person join me care gains is we have real conversations about healing growth fatherhood pressure and purpose on my new podcast learn the hard way open your free i heart radio app search

learn the hard way and listen now what's up guys this is cliver taylor the fourth and on my podcast the Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue 42.

Hey, rep, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford Show on the Eyeheart. radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. On Sunday, NASCAR Cup Series action takes off from Kentucky Speedway at 2.30 Eastern on FS1. Then for the first time ever on July 15th, the NASCAR All-Star Race takes on the short track Bristol Motor Speedway.

See all your favorite drivers in action beginning at 830 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. By the way, Jim Harbaugh just came out basically coach of Michigan. And again, another very aggressive guy, smart guy. and he said, listen, COVID wasn't created by sports. It's not going to be solved by sports. There's no indication sports makes it worse. He's like, you just got to deal with it. That's my takeaway on all this stuff,

is that there's no easy answers or easy solutions, and we tried hiding from it, and it wrecked the economy. So, you know, like restaurants now, you can order, but you can sit outside. You can't go inside. You've got to manage it. Be smart. I wear a mask everywhere.

I thought I had it yesterday. I got tested. As I told Joy, it was in my head. I got tested. I was negative. Third time I've tested. Third time I've tested negative. But, you know, I mean, it's just like, listen, we're putting people on planes.

Just think about that. We are putting people in cylinders for three hours next to each other. You can't play sports? If you think sports is going to solve it or increase it, then you, I think you're nuts. We are putting Americans on airplanes sitting next to each other for five-hour flights. Joy, you've been on one of those flights. Okay. So that's sitting next to somebody within a foot with a mask,

and half the people don't think masks work. I do, but some people say no. If you can do that in America, then you can play sports. There's just no answers. If you can fly in America, then you can play. If there was an answer and we were all ignoring it blatantly and openly, then I would say that we have a problem with what we're doing. But nobody has any answers.

We don't have the answers. We're all just trying to manage this and be courteous to our neighbors, be aware there's other people around you that could be affected differently than you are. That's all we can do. You just manage it. Yes. By the way, there was a report. Cam Newton understands now the Patriots are holding open quarterback competition.

And one of the things Tom Curran said is, you know, he's not going to demand a trade if he doesn't play because he's going to be sharing snaps. There's no OTAs. We all know this stuff, right? But it is interesting. You know, we tend to think it's a passing league. And I understand that because Mahomes is so brilliant. But if you go look at six of the final eight teams last. year in the NFL. They were six of the best rushing teams. Nineers are a run team first. Titans

are a run team first, second, third. Baltimore, Seattle, Packers, yes, they're a run team. Aaron Jones numbers, Minnesota. Six of the final eight teams run the football. If given the option, Kyle Shanahan would run the football. Sean McVeigh for the record, that's why the girly thing kind of discombobulated the Rams. McVeigh likes to run the football. And so Belichick knows, I don't have a legitimate veteran tied end. I don't have a deep threat. Cam Newton's a different kind of player in New England than he was in Carolina. In Carolina, you had to protect Cam.

Remember all those hits we watched early in his career? And we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This can't do this. This is nonsense. Can't do it. In fact, some of the shots at Cam, I think, changed the rules of the NFL. Franchise guy, number one, he's all over commercials. And guys are trying to take his head off.

But that's not what he is. is. He was the family eight-year car. He's a rental car in New England. There is no long-term plan for Cam. So my takeaway with New England is Brady threw the ball last year 39 times a game. I think Cam's going to throw the ball 22 times, and they're going to have a runoff offense. And Cam's going to carry it, and it's going to look like year three Cam. I think it's going to be fascinating. I think Belichick sees the trend in the NFL. Everybody's gotten finesse and pass. I'm going to go back to run the football. Be a lot like Tennessee next year. here. Nate Robinson played in the NBA for over a decade joining us via the Coward Global

Satellite Network. Nate Robinson, three-time NBA slam-down contest, only guy in the history of the sport that did it. Nate, let's start with this. Nobody can solve the virus. Nobody has any answers. Would you go play in the bubble in Orlando? Would you be comfortable playing? I mean, I love basketball, so I mean, yes, I probably would. I mean, just because I, I mean, have so much left in the tank and I got so much so much to prove so the Nate now would say yeah I would I would go now no fans tell me what NBA basketball as a performer what is the basketball gonna look like with no fans will it look like pickup basketball can you practice I mean guys practice and play

against each other all the time so it'll be nothing new really do you I mean I know I know I know a lot of guys you know they they love to play in front of the crowds but it's just Like, you got to kind of, you know, think of it like the football practices. They have the NFL, like the heart knots. It'll be just like that. Wow. Do you think there's an advantage being a veteran team or a young team? At this time, it's definitely a veteran team.

I mean, you got rest. Guys like, you know, LeBron, he can definitely, you know, benefit from having so much time off and resting his body and, you know, coming, you know, to Orlando fresh with fresh legs ready to go. and they're, you know, they're eager to play, and that's going to be fun to watch. You know, this is a weird question, but we've sort of joked. You're asking young professional athletes to hide from their wives, not see their girlfriends for like three months.

Be honest, Nate. That's not easy, right? I mean, it's not easy, but, I mean, you know, during the time of corona, I mean, we've been around our families this whole time. So, you know, getting an opportunity to do what you love, I mean, you can. can't really, it's hard to compare. You know, we love to play basketball. You know, the guys, I know they're ready to get back into it.

And, you know, three months would, you know, be in the way. I mean, it shouldn't be, you know, that bad. I mean, you're doing something that you love. So I don't see the problem. 11 years in the NBA three-time champ Nate Robinson, who, by the way, started at cornerback football, University of Washington. As a true freshman played every game, I know, because I was a Husky season ticket holder.

I was a Husky season ticket holder. Let me ask a couple NBA questions. Are you surprised, first of all, how good Zion is at 19 years old? No, man, he's a monster. And, I mean, I love his game. I love his, you know, the power and strength that he plays with, you know, how he rebounds the ball. He's so elusive. And I just hope, you know, that he can continue this, you know, over the years.

He can stay healthy. I mean, the way he dunks the ball. just the rim and he attacks guys. He goes through guys. He doesn't go around them. And that's something that you love to watch. Does he even remind you of anybody you played with? He reminds me of Zion Williams. I don't see any comparisons to any other body, any, any player in the NBA. He's his own player, and that's what makes him unique. This is the 10-year anniversary of LeBron's decision. He got a lot of crap for it. It didn't bother me, but it bothered a lot of people. Go back. Did you support him? What was your

takeaway on the decision, which ticked off people? I mean, I didn't mind it at all. I mean, LeBron's his own man. I don't understand why everybody's so bothered and worried about what he's doing. They need to get their own business to worry about. A guy that's a face of the league, he's done so much for basketball and outside of basketball. I mean, I wouldn't care.

If I was LeBrona, I wouldn't care what anybody thinks. I'm my own man. I make my own decisions. You know, Nate, when you played, they didn't have Twitter wasn't as popular and Instagram Right and I'm thinking to myself Kevin Durant

Like he gets into fights with people And I think to myself I don't know if it's good or not If you go back to your career If people could have ripped you after every game On Twitter and social media How would you have handled it? I mean I like to talk a little

You know talk trash I mean We're people like just because we're a professional We can't be normal and talk to people that, you know, that saying crazy stuff to us, we can't talk it back. Like, I don't get it. Yeah. Well, do you, when you talk about the bubble, and I'm looking at what guys are eating and how they're working out, do you think the basketball will be good? Will guys be in shape?

Will they be focused? What's the quality going to be like? That's one way to find out. Well, one thing you'll see is, you know, the players that have been taking care of their bodies and working out, you'll see the difference between the two. Yeah. The guys that are, you know, dedicated and really focus on their bodies, you know, working on their crab, working on their jump shot, working on their movements and things like that, you'll see it. And the guys that wasn't, you'll see, oh, yeah, quarantine got to him. You know, and it's going to show.

Clippers, to me, are the best team in the league. They're built to stop LeBron, multiple wing defenders. who do you like? I mean, that was going to be my pick, honestly, man. I just, they have too much firepower. You know, guys, tough guys like Pat Bev, you got scores off the bench, like Lou Will, Paul George, healthy Paul George. Like, it's just they have too much.

Yeah. By the way, you're parked in a SUV right now. Are you up near Seattle? I am Seattle. My son's got basketball practice right now. I'm about to drop them off so they can get their work. And even though, you know, AAUs came to a halt, you know, basketball, like you said, never stops. For us, we're a grinding, hardworking family.

And it's something that I want to, you know, kind of, you know, teach them guys how to work hard every day. Well, as a Seattleite, as a Washingtonian, Nate. Washingtonia, I like that. Yep. Thanks for coming on the show, bud. Man, thank you guys. Appreciate it. God bless.

Yep, God bless. Hey, he was a cornerback on the University of Washington, 5-59 corner. he was great. He wasn't good. He was great. I thought he was the most talented player on the football team. He's a phenomenal athlete. Unbelievable.

And then he went to basketball, played at Washington, and said, like, I'm going to play basketball. And I remember I'm a Husky football guy more than a husky basketball. Guy was crushed. He was our best player. I mean, he was, you should go to YouTube. Look at the videos. He was a great corner.

Could have played in the NFL. So you talk about Dion Sanders. He could have played in the NFL. No question. All right. Final hour. Tony Gonzalez is here. Are you okay with feeling older?

Neither am I. Check it out. MDrive from N.com. MDRYfermen.com. Protein nutrition, lean muscle. You'll just feel better. We are flying through the show today. Two hours down. A third one coming with the Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez. Live in L.A. It's the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHard Radio app. Tony Gonzalez, 17 years, 14 Pro Bowls tied for the most in NFL history, a Hall of Famer. only missed two games in 17 NFL seasons, which is he actually blocked. He was a tough guy. And Tony,

I haven't seen Tony Gonzalez in so long. So let's check in with Tony Gonzalez via the Coward Global Satellite Network. All right, let's see. I want to see where Tony, now, Tony, look at that. That looks like your office. Is that your office? I'm in the office.

You can tell because I'm surrounded by stuff that reminds me of how good I used to be. Trophy. Colin, what's up with your hair, man? You need a little haircut? What do you think? It's not great. It's not very good.

I would say you were a rock star in Kansas City for a long time, and I think ideally you would have liked to have stayed, but you didn't have the staff that kind of got you. What is it like to be the biggest rock star in Kansas City? Like a lot of people get Kansas City, and they think it's cold, and yeah, I don't know. but Mahomes, he's all in on it. It feels like he wants to be Jeter, right?

Yeah, yeah, and he is. You know, obviously, I still got my connections out there in Kansas City. There's nothing bigger than him in Kansas City. He can't go anywhere. I mean, it's like when you're sitting out at dinner, I'm sure people are whispering, calling people, people are coming to the restaurant. I bet it's very tough for him.

But, hey, that's what's the price you pay for Super Bowl championship in the great state of Kansas City, City of Kansas City. I love that they signed him long term. I love those fans deserve it. This guy is the best quarterback in the NFL. It looks like there's no sign of slowing, only getting better with Andy Reid.

It's the perfect combination. I am so glad they were able to get this deal done because Kansas City, it's got a bright future as long as this kid's out there pulling the trigger for him. You know, it's interesting. There's a certain maturity about him. He said, listen, I don't want to take every last penny because I want to play with better players. And Drew Brees figured that out, you know, 10 years into the league.

But tell me, take me as a pro athlete. You want to be respected for the money. No question. But then Mahomes is like, listen, I'm not going to take every penny of it. Okay. So how do pro athletes view money in terms of contracts, taking less, taking more? Yeah. Well, you know, you and I have talked about this.

What made Tom Brady so great, I think, is. And people can say, the only reason I would ever call Tom Brady the goat is because he took less money. A lot of the quarterbacks, they always maxed out on their deals and that you can't sign everybody. It's a chess game in the NFL and you've got to go out there and get other players. There's no – it's not basketball where you can just sign a couple of great players in gold-main championships. You've got to have defensive players as well. And Tom understood that better than any quarterback in NFL history. And I think hopefully he understands that.

I always say this, though, his first deal, meaning not besides his – this is rookie deal. That first big bite at the apple, you got to go for everything. You got to get as much money as you can. And I like this deal because I was going to be cap friendly over the next two, three years and maybe they can go get another Super Bowl over the next two, three years. But after that, once that cap hit starts coming, that's where it comes time for Patrick Mahomes. If he's serious about winning as much championships as you can, he's got to take less money. You got to say, hey, I'll go, I'll do what I can to restructure my deals to get all those players. Because now, by then, you already got $100 million.

And Tom is the one who, I say Tom has left at least $100 million throughout his career. I had all those years of money that he could have had, but he said, hey, I'd rather have the Super Bowl rings and be considered the greatest quarterback of all time than have that extra $100 million, where a lot of players won't do that.

It just comes down to the individual player and what they want their legacy to be after they're gone and how much is enough enough in the long term, where I think Patrick understands that. You know, the thing about Patrick, I said this yesterday, it's not just talent, it's maturity. I feel safe that if I give Patrick Mahomes 10 years, that I know nine years in, he still comes to the facility early.

But I don't think there are guys in this league. A lot of quarterbacks, I'm not giving 10-year contracts to. Go to your career in your locker room. And again, you were driven by more than money. I would give Tony Gonzalez 10 years. How many players in a locker room, average NFL locker room, could you give a 10-year contract to?

They wouldn't get lazy. You could trust them. I don't think it's that many. I mean, in your career, how many guys could you give a tenure contract to and it wouldn't affect them? I think it's a very small number. I'm going to say 15% in the NFL.

The rest, I wouldn't do that too. I would not do that too because, first of all, football, a lot of guys, we talk about it. They like football. They like it a lot. but it's very difficult to love football and you got to you're an outlier if you really absolutely

love it like have a passion for playing this game the guys like Peyton Manning where you know they would have played this game for league minimum if they didn't know any better obviously but Patrick is that type of guy I felt like I was that type I just loved being out on the football field I love catching footballs I love the chest play

and you'd be surprised very bad people a lot of the guys like football they like what football they like what football gives them. They don't love football. This kid loves football, and there's very few of those guys in the NFL. You know, ESPN came out with a poll. They talked to 50 league executives, scouts, GMs, coaches, 50 some players, 50 people in the NFL.

And they ranked quarterbacks. And they had their highest rank and their lowest rank. And somebody ranked Russell Wilson ninth, best quarterback in the league. Somebody put Lamar Jackson 12th. it's interesting. There is this belief. I don't believe this, but a lot of people do, that Lamar Jackson, people are going to figure this thing out.

I just think he's fast. I don't think he couldn't figure out speed. There are critics out there, though. People in this poll said, like, he's not a top 10 quarterback. What do you make of Lamar? Are you surprised? Do you think there's a ceiling? What do you make of him?

I think you hit it right there. If we're going to the horse track, I don't care what the horse looks like or the one who gets around the track, the fastest is going to win. This kid has never been seen before. I mean, we talk about Michael Vick, but this guy might even be faster. When he takes off, you can't stop that. And there's nothing you can do to prepare for that. I don't care what you do from a defensive perspective. I just don't know how you're going to do that because he can throw, too.

Let's not underestimate his throwing ability. and that system that they have out there with the tight ends, they just need to keep doing that. You can get really good receiving tight ends on the cheat in the NFL. They're one of the lowest paid positions. I think he is here to stay, and he's going to have another outstanding here as long as he stays healthy. And we've talked about it.

I just need the longevity here, where running quarterbacks, they don't last too long in the NFL. So if he can take care of his body and he's running a 4-2, I don't think you're going to have an answer for him. Yeah, I agree. So Mahomes was one, Russell Wilson, too, according to all the people who were pulled anonymously. I agree with that. I'd go Patrick 1, Russell, 2. I think you can argue a lot of threes. They have Aaron Rogers third. I'm fine with it. I really, I think you can argue anything after the first two. Who would be your third and why? Looking at that list, I love my guy. Drew Breeze. I think Drew Breeze, he gets no respect.

He's the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL because, I mean, the guy just keeps going out there, putting up these huge numbers, numbers after numbers, and he always is in control in the games. I like him a lot. Anybody else on there? And Aaron. Aaron, I think I've flip-flop that. Aaron would be part of my fourth best

and then maybe. I think Deshawn Watson, he's somebody on that list that if I'm looking at it, remember DeAndre Hopkins is gone. When you lose your all pro, arguably the best receiver

in the NFL next to Julio Jones, I'm anxious to see how he plays this year because he's had a lot of help. We've seen Johnrey Hopkins make highlight real type catches and do spectacular place. That's gone now. That's a big deal. Let's not underestimate that. So we're really going to see how good this kid really is. And I like Deshaun Watts. I'm not saying he can't do it. But it's

going to be interesting to see where this list is next year once DeAndre Hopkins is gone. Finally, you know, cultures are different. Coaches are different. Systems are different. Cam Newton was the Carolina Panthers. They built everything around him. Now he goes to New England follows the goat. It's pretty rigid. He's not going to get all the snaps at practice. I don't know. I do think they'll play really good defense. I think Cam will run the ball a lot. I think they don't have to protect him. It's a one-year contract. They're just going to make him Cam the runner more than Cam the passer. And I think it's going to work to some degree. Do you think he's going to struggle? Culture shock, new system, new coach, you know, Belichick's

rough on dudes. How do you think it works? Yeah, you know, that's the thing. This is an odd couple. This is, this is, I don't know, I'm trying to think of an analogy for it. I don't know oil and water. Judging from what I've heard about Cam, and I don't know him personally, and judging from what I've heard about Bill Belichick and the Patriot Way, it's not fun.

And Cam likes to have fun from what I've heard. So I just think that culturally, I see this being a tough fit. I'm not saying it can't work, but is Cam healthy too? A lot of people, like, it sounds like you're just assuming that Stidham is not even going to be the starter, that Cam's just going to be the starter. But looking at the last two years of Cam's tape, he hasn't been Cam Newton. He's not that MVP guy. They've done that for two years unless he's absolutely healthy.

And even that, you've got to learn that playbook. The playbook from Josh McDaniels is notoriously pretty tough. Stidham's been learning it for the last year under Tom. Who are they going to make this playbook around? Is it going to be around Stidham? Is it going to be around Cam? They're kind of two different guys. I'm anxious to see how this goes.

And I would not be shocked. If Cam doesn't even, because he's not, he doesn't have the off season because of what's going on in the world, who knows what Cam's going to be like? I just, I wouldn't be shocked if Cam doesn't even start opening day. I think Stidham might even get that nod. But I do love the pickup. I think the Patriots did exactly because if you get Cam of old

and you can get a healthy Cam like he says he is, without a doubt, Cam's a top five, top ten at least quarterback when he's healthy. So I'm anxious to see how this turns out. Wide open with Tony Gonzalez is the podcast, by the way. He talks about wellness, health, mindset. You know, you're the guy that talked me into taking a cold shower every morning when I first met you. So I take a cold shower. I know it's great energy, wakes me up.

It's actually great. So Tony convinced me to do that. And I'm like, eh, it doesn't sound like me. I do a cold shower in the morning. So now how have you handled COVID? How's your family handling it? How you're dealing with it? You know what?

You turn lemons in the lemonade and everything that's going on. So we've done a lot, actually, around the house, kind of switched our schedule up. We've been able to, you know, usually right now, I wouldn't be, if I was doing this interview, it would be from Italy, eating a plate of pasta, because we're usually over in Europe this time of year, working on our tans. But, you know, that's obviously not the case now. So we are doing a lot of stuff around the house. Maybe take some road trips here, discover,

rediscover America. So we're looking forward to. We got some good plans coming up. Good seeing you, buddy. Nice talking. Tony Gonzalez, the Hall of Famer. Thanks, man. All right, guys.

Take care, bud. Get a haircut. All right, that cold shower thing, spectacular. Now, don't recommend it at night. I don't do it at night if I want to take, you know, if I work out. But in the morning. I have to take a shower in the morning to wake up. So 90 seconds of cold.

Cold water. Can't commit to that. Oh, it's... I look like a lobster when I get out of the shower. Yeah, I have it as hot as humanly bearable. Oh, how do you do that? Oh, it's the best. I don't know how you feel clean without it being as hot as possible.

Well, I mean, I don't know. Crabs are in cold water. They look clean to me. I don't know. I like to take really hot showers. Try it tomorrow. 90 seconds. Ice cold. That's so long. 90 seconds is it.

Let me tell you something. Your heart. We'll get stronger. I've heard Tony talk about it. I just, I don't like the cold. I don't like, I don't like being cold. All right. Have you done the update yet?

No. No. No, Joy Taylor with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I'm sitting here right now with a heated blanket on my legs. I have it on, I mean, all day.

Really? Yeah, it's cold in here. All right. Think about it. I'm in a dress. You guys are in, they're in suits, skipping Shan are in suits. You're in a long-sleeve shirt. You're in the dress.

Yeah, it's cold in here. All right. So every player in the NBA will have a different way of adapting to life in the bubble. And Carmelo Anthony says, saying staying strong mentally is going to be a big factor in finding success in Orlando. We've never experienced anything like this. The way I perceive this and the way that a younger player in this league will perceive this will be totally different.

They may not know what to expect. They may not know how to handle this. This is going to be a stressful situation for everybody. Everybody's going to be tested mentally. everybody's going to be tested emotionally. I'm going to make the best out of this situation. If that's me gathering the guys under protocol and talking and keeping the conversations going,

I'm going to do that. He's absolutely right. The COVID situation, managing injuries, all of the things that the NBA and the teams can take care of, I think they're going to do to the highest level that they can. But emotionally and mentally, there's going to be a factor. of a heightened factor for these guys going into the bubble.

Couldn't I argue it's better to be a young player. So I'm Zion. Listen, I played college a year ago. College is not great facility. You're flying little planes and you're staying in like econologes. I think mentally and emotionally it's probably going to be easier for young players. I don't have a wife. They don't have wives.

They don't have kids. Like you said, they're not completely adapted to this. I play video. I go play basketball. I practice. I sleep, I eat, and I play video games. Luxury way of life. They've probably been quarantining

mostly by themselves anyway or with a friend. If I'm a veteran guy with a wife, kids, and I have a lifestyle I'm accustomed to, some of these young guys don't even, they buy a condo. They're in small spaces all the time. I think it's going to be,

I think for the actual basketball, it's going to benefit veteran players because they are, they're used to conditioning in this way. They're used to coming, you know, how to prepare to go back to camp and all those things, how to eat, etc. I think for the facilities and all that part of it, the emotional, mental part of not having a family and wife to worry about and all those things, I think it'll be easier for younger players.

It's just, I really think it's going to be interesting to see what teams really lock in. I mean, Nate Robinson was just talking about it. These guys do want to get back to playing basketball. And the other thing is, you've been around your family for four months. Right. To take a month break, my wife stays in Utah for the summer. I miss her, but it's a nice break. But that is a factor, though.

They have him with their families. They want to get back to playing basketball. That's a part of it, too. But it's just going to be a new experience for everyone. And I do want to keep in mind that not all of the teams are going to go all the way through for three months, right? Like, as you lose, you go home. So it's not going to be the long haul for every single team. Even if you're married and you go to the bubble.

You know the best thing. I mean, I love my wife and everything. But when she's gone, I get to do whatever I want to do. Yeah, but they can't do whatever they want to do. Yeah, but they can go play video games and nobody tells you to take the garbage out. And you can just take the garbage out And you can go eat And it's not somebody saying

Take the kids to school You can just like play the music loud I play the music yesterday loud at my house The kind of music I like It's great Hey I let the cat run away Nobody yelled at me Lost the cat

There's advantages to just being by yourself As a guy because we're all selfish anyway There were some pictures sweet I don't know if we have these pictures of not Yeah okay so Look at that yummy Nugets Troy Daniels And that's Chris Giozo

Posted pictures of the dinner they got when they arrived in Orlando. That's not terrible. For a single guy, that's a, come on. It's not, piece of chicken and pasta and some broccoli. It looks like to go food. It looks like to go food.

When you have stuff in to go containers, it often doesn't look very appetizing. You throw it on a plate, it looks better. But NBA reporter Mark Stein did say that the food in the NBA bubble changes after quarantine is completed. So player meals won't look like, you know, airline meals after they get out of quarantine. Maybe men and women are different. But yeah, sometimes I like alone time.

When you get a... No, I mean, you like alone time for sure. But I'm just saying this is going to be a different situation. Like, and just the anxiety of, you know, you don't want to catch COVID either. Like, there's just a lot of factors going into all of this. I just, I think it's really interesting to see. You play video games 13 hours a day. Nobody yells at you.

Yeah, you mentioned that. Do you play video games? No, but a lot of young NBA guys love it. They're into that. That's really a popular. I mean, Durant's playing. it online all the time. I bought a PlayStation at the beginning of quarantine because my nephews

wanted to play me in 2K and I never hooked it up. I should do that. But I just think, I'm not saying that we don't love our wives and girlfriends, but I've got to be honest with you, I spilled stuff yesterday all over the floor. Didn't even clean it up. Didn't even clean it up. I threw literally this morning going to the shower, I just threw crap on the floor. Didn't even pick it up.

Great. Why is that enjoyable? Oh, it's so empowering. Nobody yelled at me. You should see my house. How often are you doing stuff to get yelled at? Well, I just, I got every, my house right now, there's just stuff thrown in every corner and just I couldn't. Why is that to give you satisfaction?

Because, you know what? I'm going to do things my way. So you just want to live like a hamster? No, I, after about seven days, I'm over it. Right. Well, I'm sure break is fine. But then they're going to be playing basketball. I just, you know, I have some concerns.

So Patrick Mahomes said one of the reasons he agreed to his extension is. because it will allow the team to put great players around him. He wants to build a legacy in Kansas City. And Sammy Watkins agrees that they are set up for that. He said, if the Kansas City Chiefs can keep all the players together, we are going to be a dynasty. They are returning 20 of 22 starters from the Super Bowl team. They are a target, though.

They are. Chargers are better. Denver's better. Well, the landscape of the NFL has changed a lot. Yeah. And it's going to continue. That's the name of the game. But I do think that to Sammy Watkins,

point and to Patrick Mahomes point, being able to keep players there that are part of the culture who he's comfortable with, who know how to win, who, you know, are a part of that team and community is going to be important. And because he has taken less money, they're going to be able to do that at a higher level. I'm really excited for the Chiefs. I don't want to put unrealistic expectations. A lot of champagne drinking. I see a lot of celebrating.

Better back to work, fellas. Oh, here you go. A lot of celebrating. Here you go. They are allowed to celebrate until the new season starts. They are the champs. They earned that. Put the champagne away.

No, as much champagne as you want until the season starts. Then you can get back in shape. Finally, DeAndre Hopkins congratulated Patrick Mahomes on his new extension yesterday, but he took a shot at his former team in the process. He tweeted 24 reasons why Mahomes deserves that zero doubt. He will win more Super Bowls. Remember the Texans were up 24-0 on the Chiefs in the second quarter of their playoff game last year before Mahomes brought them back.

28-24 lead at halftime and then a 51-31 win, which is just such an incredible game. Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins. That'd be really fun. Yeah, I'm looking for. There's just so many moves that have happened this offseason for the NFL that makes so many teams so interesting. I want to just please give us football.

If you told me today, if you told me today, I get UFC, MLS, and the NFL, I'm good. And you told me there was going to be a, but you've got to give me football. I can fake it. for a long time. I can't. I'm not going October with no games. I can't. You just refuse? I just can't do it. I'm going to retire. I'm going to tell my bosses. I'm going to take

some weeks off. I can't. I'll be so depressed. Be so utterly depressed. I'm hopeful and positive. All right. Let's do that. I like positive. Yeah. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd line news. Other thing. I kept a door open yesterday in the kitchen. Never closed it. Like in the coffee cup thing? A cupboard door? And I looked back and I was going to go close it and I'm like, nobody else is in the house. Who cares? What did you hit your head off of it?

It was in the corner of the house by the coffee maker. So basically you just like to look like you were robbed all the time. That's how you feel comfortable. You walk in your house. There's doors open, stuff on the floor. I literally went yesterday. I went to the grocery store, kept the television on, loud. Came back in.

It's like, didn't have to turn it off. It's so empowering. You can leave. I left a half cocktail on the counter this morning, walked by it at work, saw it and was Good. And there's no coaster under it, huh? None. Stains on the rugs, nothing.

It's called power. It's about time I got it back. Good for you. Yeah. It means a lot. It's called the hurdy dozen. The players and coaches I would give 12-year contracts to. That's coming up.

Whether you're working from home or on your fitness, you want to hear what you want to hear, not what your neighbor or your workout partners listening to. It's called Raycon. Raycon.com. Slash heard 15% off wireless earbuds. Buds work with six hours of playtime. They work with Bluetooth perfectly.

Stylish, covert. You don't see them. They handle sweat, raycon.com slash herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. One thing that hasn't changed through the years. We depend on our cars and they break down more in the summer. I want to save lots and lots of money.

Go to Carsshield.com. The code's heard 10%. H-E-R-D. So Patrick Mahomes signed a 12-year contract, 12-year contract. And there's very few people, coaches or players, I'd give to a 12-year contract. Very few. So, Joy, let's play the game. The Hurdy doesn't. Give me a dozen players or coaches. Would I sign them all things considered to a 12-year contract? Would you give a 12-year contract to Russell Wilson? Never missed a game, never had a losing season, takes incredible care of his body.

Yes, this is an easy one. Russell Wilson is just a guy. I get the Mahomes maturity. Doesn't really take hits, bizarrely so. This is an easy one. How about Lamar Jackson? Not yet. Owen two in the preseason.

I got to see postseason success. His game, though he is a thrower, would he be as fast at the end of the deal at 35? Give me another year on Lamar Jackson. All right. Would you give a 12-year contract? attracted to Sean Watson. No, two ACL injuries, and I think their offensive line keeps getting worse. I'm not sure in six years he's going to be the same player. How about Kyle Shanahan?

Yes, I think he's the most intellectual young offensive coach in football. I think he's got a passion. He's only 40 years old, so he'd be 52. That's kind of what they think is the prime of coaching his early 50s. That's probably the easiest yes on the board. How about Sean McVeigh? Yes, because I think he's really bright and I think he's really driven. You know, here's the thing with McVeigh. People got too high on him early and they're too low on him now. He's 33 and 15. Last year, they were 9 and 7, and it was a mess with the Todd Gurley situation.

The general managers at times signed too early and paid too much for some players. It's put him in weird positions. It's been a little bit of an all-star team to coach. I'm not fond of that. I think you draft your players and you create a community. I think when you start bringing in all these stars, there's different entitlements and different issues. So I don't think they've been the easiest team to coach

for the last three years. So McVeigh now is hearing a lot of criticism. I still think he's going to be a legendary coach. How about Trevor Lawrence? Yes. He is the John Elway, Andrew Luck, and Trevor Lawrence. Doesn't mean they're the best quarterbacks. They're the three most guaranteed.

good quarterbacks out of college. And by the way, we were right with Andrew Luck. He won 11 games with a terrible team. This kid's 25 and 1. I'm not saying he's great. I'm saying as a prospect, he's the... So in the NFL, you've never seen him play.

You would give him a 12-year contract. Yep, right now. Well, I said, Elway and Luck were the best college quarterbacks, not in terms of production. Right. In terms of, oh, that's a guaranteed star in the NFL. He's a 6-6-6-mobile

and very good in big games outside of one against LSU when he played against just better players. How about Lincoln Riley? Yes, I think he understands the game. I think he's really smart. I think he's progressive. I think he gets the social changes.

And the offense in Oklahoma has been first, first, first, and third in the country. I think he totally gets the quarterback position, which I think is the future of the sport. He's a home run. All right. This is a tricky one. What about Davos-Swinney?

Nah. too much ego for me. I think he stumbled with social changes. You know, listen, let's be honest. Take out Trevor Lawrence's 25 and one record, and he's a really, really good coach. I mean, you have Jashon Watson and Trevor Lawrence back to back. Now, he gets credit for recruiting him.

Trevor Lawrence, take out the 25 and one with Trevor Lawrence. It took him a long time to get going. I think he's a good coach, but I see a lot of hubris, and I see a lot of ego. I think I'll keep him as long as he wins. All right, well, you can't give 12-year contracts in the NBA, as we know. But if you could, Yonah Sancton. Absolutely.

Absolutely. First of all, points per game and rebounds have gone up every year. So what does that tell me? It tells me he's a worker. He's never had a big injury. Good head in his shoulders. When your numbers keep going up, and it's not like they're going up from nothing, like the floor. It tells me he's not satisfied with stats.

He's a winner. And again, he's a good athlete. He's a winner, I'd say yes. Luca Donchich. Yes. I mean, Luca Dantich is a, and some guys come into the NBA, and you're like, oh, he's going to score 27 points a game for 15 years. And again, Luca's big, mobile shoots, that's the league.

Jason Tatum. Absolutely. Again, 40-point shooter. Do you realize before we got COVID, the last 10 games for Jason Tatum before COVID? Listen to these numbers. 31 points, 8 rebounds, 47% 3-point shot. I think he's the fifth best player on the NBA.

Zion Williamson? No. Okay, I got a knee sprain at Duke, a bruised knee in Summer League, torn meniscus in preseason. I'm not giving him 12 years. And I love him. 12 years?

It's scary. That's a lot of injuries for 19 years old. A lot of injuries. Probably people think I hate Dad Osweeney. I don't, but there's certain coaches I think are great. I see too much ego. I'm not giving you 12 years. I want you to work for it. Lincoln Riley, I see no ego.

Just like this show. No ego. No ego. None. Serro. See you tomorrow. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. And every episode, we're cutting through the noise,

breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source. The athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlicse on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Street or Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast.

1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow good. comedians and favorite authors.

Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hardway with your favorite therapist and host Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional. who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor. It signals to the world that you not to be played with.

And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen and learn the hard way on the IHard radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHart podcast. Guaranteed human.