The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Rams vs. Chiefs, Aaron Rodgers, and LeBron James

Episode Date: November 20, 2018

Colin is impressed with how quickly the NFL made the changes needed to make the Rams/Chiefs game happen. Colin thinks that the Kansas City Chiefs are the better team despite losing the the Los Angeles Rams and New England Patriots. Colin explains why the relationship between Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers and head coach Mike McCarty doesn't work and Rodgers deserves better. Colin says that the Los Angeles Lakers shouldn't wait a year to add a star player and should get Washington Wizards guard Bradley Beal right now. And Colin gives you his list of who should win the MVP in the NFL. Guests include: Peter King, Greg Cosell, Jarrett Bell and Ty Law Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, first of all, that was crazy. Tip of the cap to both organizations. It was not only a great game, it was an odd game, and let me explain why. Think about the NFL. They prepare a year for the Super Bowl. Then they get to the Super Bowl. They need an extra week to prepare in the security and the teams and the stadium and the parking and that.

These two teams, that game felt like not only was great, it was odd because it was thrown together. the teams had the move, the security had the move, the broadcast networks had to move, the teams had to figure out where to stay, they hadn't booked rooms. And for those two teams, in all that mess, to come together last night and give us that tip of the cap to the Hunt family, Andy Reed and the Chiefs, tip of the cap to less need, staying cronkey, the Rams organization, Sean McVeigh, that was unbelievable. I mean, good God, fans, security, hotels, teams,

practices, networks. They got through. You know what that was last night? That was your wife coming to you and saying, you know that huge Thanksgiving party in two days on Thursday? Yeah. You know, like 45 cousins at your brother's house? Yeah. It's at our house.

What? We don't have the space. It's at our house. We don't have the rooms. It's at our house. We don't have the food. It's at our house. What happened?

Their dishwasher broke. Their kitchen got flooded. It's at our house. And you turn to your wife and you say, order some shanel. campaign, honey, let's just have a good time. Last night, that was just a good time. When you got to throw a party together and 90,000 people are going to be there or however many were and you don't have time to get out all the wrinkles, you just have a good time. It was what every great game is. There was some weird clock management by Sean McVeigh. What was he doing? A 28 second drive? Take a knee,

bro. There was some officiating calls you didn't love. There was strange decisions by Patrick Mahomes late. There was stars making star plays. There was Tyreek Hill twice, a punt a kickoff. What are you doing?

What are you doing returning those? It was everything a great game is. It's never clean. Every great fight I've been to, every great NFL game I've been to, every great Final Four game. There's always a clock management issue. There's always a tip

pass or a call you don't like. There's always a star being a star and a star doing a knucklehead thing. Call in the officiating. What about it? Kansas City wasn't ready to play in the first eight minutes. They had a lot of penalties. That's not on the officials. What about the tip pass? What about it? They let the play go. Then they reversed it. They got it right. What about the Rams offensive linemen that moved? Guess what? You have a

fireworks show for four hours? Sometimes one of those fireworks goes off into the tree, starts low fire. It's not perfect. Last night was not built to be perfect. It was your wife coming to you and saying, we got to host 48 people in your little 2,200 square foot house for a Thanksgiving party and not that much yard to play with. And you just turn to your wife and say, let's just have a good time. And the league just said, we're going to bring some refs in. We're going to do the best we can. We're not really prepared for it. The game was scheduled for Mexico City. Now it's in Los Angeles. L.A. is going through fires. I mean,

what this city in L.A. is going through is remarkable that they could put it together. It was great. Well, what about the defense? What about it? There were three defensive touchdowns. The Rams created five turnovers from Kansas City's offense. Both quarterbacks took an absolute beating last night. I mean, there were some shots on those quarterbacks. I mean, folks, you keep telling me you love the NBA, but a third of the league's unwatchable and the regular season's irrelevant. We know who's going to be there in the end. You tell me you love baseball, but analytics are killing offense. That was four hours of fun. That was four hours of champagne. Yeah, some spilled on the carpet.

Yeah, one of the cousins got a little too drunk. Yeah, I'm going to be honest with you, somebody may have stolen some silverware. It was not perfect. But that game was not built to be perfect. It was built to be fun. And it was. And it's remarkable.

In Kansas City's owners and their GMs and their front office and their coaches, tip of the cap. And for the Rams, tip of the cap. That was a remarkable showcase. Man, listen, some things, you know, a wedding, you plan six months for a wedding, it should be mostly perfect. The pictures should be perfect and the flowers should be perfect.

If you throw a wedding together in three days, guess what? The photographer is probably going to be drunk and they're going to be fuzzy pictures. But just make it a good time. And you couldn't come away from that game even in Kansas City thinking, God, that was fun. That was just fun.

First ever game, both teams over 50, third most points in an NFL game. How many total yards? 14 combined touch. touchdowns. I loved it. Let me say this, though. I've watched the Kansas City Chiefs twice this year. Go to New England and lose and go to the Rams and lose. And in both instances, my takeaway is, I think Kansas City's better than New England and the Rams. This morning, I think Kansas City's the better team. Let me ask you.

If the Rams had played in Kansas City and had five turnovers, you think the Chiefs only win by three? Listen, Kansas City to only lose like they did. Think about this. They weren't dialed in. I mean, you could tell from all the travel, the first eight minutes of the game, they had a bad first quarter.

It happens. They got a young team, young quarterback. They were bad for about eight minutes. They were on the road, and not on the road destination they were supposed to be in. They had five turnovers, two defensive touchdowns,

they dropped the game winning interception, and I'm sitting there watching it, and I'm like, they're in this game with a chance to win. I think if you'd ask the Rams to move, play it in Kansas City, had all those turnovers, had a bad first quarter,

I don't think the Rams would have been around at the end. I mean, it, it, listen, man, Kansas City had the ball twice. All they were away was a field goal. Considering all the moves, all the turnovers, awful first quarter, dropped the game-winning pick. And Kansas City standing around at the end?

I think Kansas City is a better team. And I felt that way after the New England game. I'm like, yeah, I get why New England won. It's Foxborough. It's Brady. He's been there before. I get why New England won. But I feel like Kansas City and the playoffs could go to New England and win.

I feel there's no chance for New England. England to go to Kansas City and win. In fact, my takeaway last night was, I can see several teams in the NFC coming to Los Angeles like in New Orleans Saints and winning. I can see it. I can see that happening. They get that running game going. I can't see anybody in the AFC.

Pittsburgh would have a shot, but they make so many mistakes. It's hard to go on the road, throw three picks, and win. You think Texans going to go on the road and win in Kansas City? Uh-uh. New England? Uh-uh. Indianapolis if they get in, uh-uh. Baltimore, they get in?

Uh-uh. Chargers, uh-uh. I mean, it's, it's funny because we think of the Rams' offense is home run hitting, but their defense is home run hitting. I mean, Aaron Donald, Marcus Peters, it's interceptions, it's sacks, it's forced turnovers, it's big hits. But when I watch the Rams play, man, do they swing and miss a lot on defense. A lot.

It's like the Chiefs touchdowns, there are people wide open. Rams touchdowns, golf makes a great throw and beats good coverage. But I got to tell you something, I walked out of that New England game, and I walked out of that Rams game, and Kansas City went 0 and 2. And I think Kansas City is better than both those teams. I think Kansas City could play New England in New England, the Rams in the Ram again and win. I don't think either of those teams, Rams or New England, can go to Kansas City and win. I mean, remember that Rams touched, that Chief's touchdown, the Patrick Mahomes one?

I mean, this is classic Rams defense. The Chiefs down 10. Play action, fake, bootleg, throwback at 10. Throwing long. Terry kills wide open at the 20, 15, 10, 5, 9. Nobody is within the boundaries of California. And now a flag is thrown as the touchdown is completed. The Chiefs go 73 yards in one play.

That's a lot of RAM stuff. It's a lot of big plays. It's a lot of home runs. But man, on defense, they swing and miss all the time. I feel this morning, Chiefs of the Better Team. Coming up next, we talked about this yesterday in our final hour. now other reporters are reporting what we reported and it's true and it's happening and it's a superstar in the NFL and it's very unsettled.

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Over the weekend, somebody I deeply trust, told me in the NFL that the Aaron Rogers, Mike McCarthy thing, it's over. It doesn't matter if they go in a five-game winning streak, it's over. And I'm going to side with Aaron Rogers on this, which I know you don't believe, but I'll get to that in a second. It was never a perfect marriage. Ian Rappaport confirms it today. There is growing tension between this too. Let me tell you something. It was never a perfect fit. We've all seen the couple that you're like, that's a weird fit, and it works for a while. It was never perfect. One guy's old school, looks like a Milwaukee cop, and the other guy is this California cool, progressive, the opposite of old school guy. It was never an ideal fit. And over time, it's just eroded. Aaron doesn't share the same vision. And Aaron's right here. Listen, there are certain people, and I said this about

Andrew Luck. He's just too damn good to have an average coach. Andrew Luck deserved an offensive coach. Michael, Jordan, and Kobe deserve Phil Jackson. There are a handful of people in my lifetime in sports, maybe 30, maybe they deserve great leadership. Aaron Rogers deserves better. And there's a handful of NFL guys, Mike Smith, Mike McCarthy, Jeff Fisher, John Fox, they know football. They have not kept up with the times. And let me tell you, some, the last two nights. I want you to think about this. Aaron Rogers has sat on a couch in Green Bay

and watched Mitch Trubisky tear it up. And has watched Jared Goff tear it up. And has watched Patrick Mahomes tear it up with three brilliant offensive coaches. Matt Nagy, Andy Reed, Sean McVey. And you don't think Aaron Rogers, if I had his phone right now and looked at his text the last 48 hours.

You don't think he's texting people saying, God, I get an offense. We don't even do jumbo sets. We don't do motion. I got to play hero ball. Listen, McCarthy and Rogers was never great. I've known four former Packers and talked to all of them. It ain't a great relationship.

It was never great. But you can't blame Aaron. You cannot blame Aaron. Aaron's got a huge brand. He doesn't want to ding that brand. He doesn't want to see like the cocky California guy that, you know, he's all these commercials. He don't want to see him like he's bum rush and Mike McCarthy out of work here. He's got a little, you know, he wants to make this a nice, professional, dignified, refined ending.

It'd be bad for his brand if he blows it up and Aaron comes across as, you know, he bumrush McCarthy out of town. He doesn't want to do that. But let's be honest here. Aaron deserves better. You're watching Tribisky with half the talent, six touchdowns. games. Aaron had a two touchdown game against Buffalo. Okay, the defense was great that day for the Packers.

He's watching Mahomes four touchdown games. Gough, four touchdown games. Aaron's trying to get to two a week against bad teams. And I think the last couple of nights for Aaron have been really tough. And I would say this to anybody.

A great singer, a great, a great director, a great quarterback, a great pianist, whatever it is. There are certain people that are so gifted and so talented that they're going to be frustrated their entire lives until they believe they've met

their equal. They're equal as a mentor. They're equal as a boss. They're equal as a coach. And Aaron's never had that. Frankly, LeBron's never had that. Be honest with you, MJ had it, Kobe had it, Shaq had it, Bird had it. A lot of guys Jerry West may have had it. LeBron's never had it. That's why sometimes he's been

frustrated with coaching. Maybe it's Luke Walton, I don't know. But the stories now that we report yesterday are coming out. The McCarthy-Aaron Rogers thing is beyond frosty. They can both deny it. But Aaron is simply too gifted. He deserves better.

Enjoy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So last night's game was something. The teams and the Rams met in a game for the ages. Over 1,000 yards of total offense, 105 points scored.

Sorry about it if he took the under on that. And despite for throwing for 478 yards and five touchdowns, Patrick Mahomes was also responsible for five turnovers. Yeah. The last of which obviously sealed the win for the Rams, and here he is on that after the game. The turnovers just changed the game. I think I gave them 21 points pretty much through turnovers.

And just kind of like I said, the New England game, you can't give good teams points turn the ball over. It sucks right now. I mean, it's plain and simple. I mean, you wanted to win that game going into the biweek against a good team like that, a playoff team. at the same time, we still control our own destiny. If we can go out there and win football games after the bi-week,

it's kind of like that reset, get your body right, and come back with that mentality that we're going to win, and you can still get home field advantage, hopefully. He reminds me so much of Brett Farr. God, that you're just in all of his talent. But he's going to throw some interceptions and some big spots. He's going to make some mistakes. But, I mean, listen, he's great.

There's no denying he's an all-time talent. But, you know, I mean, he, if you go to, look at the Mahomes golf boxes, you take the golf box. And he's far less dynamic, but he's going to make, he is Brett Farv. And by the way, we all love Brett Farb, and he was a fantasy football dream, but there is some Farv here. There is some Farb. And there was some Farb comparisons before he started. Yeah, that's right. So, you know, he's a gunslinger. And with that, you're going to take chances. And sometimes those chances are not going to pay off. Now, the interception here at the end of the game, I did not like. He clearly just threw it up there. There was no receiver in sight.

I mean, it just was a bad decision. Just run out of bounds and maybe give yourself one last play. All they needed was a field goal. Right. Like, just calm down. But this is technically his rookie season. And now when you're comparing Gough to him, and this is what I felt last night, you're comparing golf to him, but Gough had the opportunity to go out there and fail.

And sometimes you need to go out there and fail. Now, obviously, we all look at Gough's freshman rookie year as a disaster. And, you know, everyone thought he was a bus. And, you know, we all blamed Jeff Fisher for that because obviously Sean McFay has turn this around. But you need to be able to make those mistakes in that spot. Unfortunately, the way that they're rolling, they can't really have that. And, you know, the Patriots game

is a good example of that, too, because the interception that he threw at the end of the half was unnecessary as well. So at least he's aware of it. What you don't want him to do is then start playing cautious. Right. So this is just, you know, I'll take an interception here and there. Not all turnovers are created equal. By the way, people banged

on Andrew Luck for years, and I always said, I can live with an occasional pick six. What I can't live with, is guys that won't throw the ball down the field. Everybody bangs on Andrew Luck for interceptions, and everybody excuses them. I'm in the middle. Like, I'm okay.

I don't want five turnovers. But if you told me Patrick McCombs had a pick six for the rest of his life in every game, and that was it, I'd be like, to me, cut down on the fumbles, don't give me two, three turnovers. But when you're taking the chances that kid is, you're going to throw picks? You're going to make mistakes? He's a gunslinger.

I agree with most of it. I just think that in that situation last night, he was clearly rattled. You could see it in the situation. And I think if he, with experience, that type of interception won't happen. Hopefully. But we'll see. Forbes recently valued the Cowboys at $5 billion, which is $1 billion more than any other franchise in the NFL. And Jerry Jones recently sat down with Bloomberg and was asked how much he would accept to sell the Cowboys.

He said, if I had to sell the team tomorrow, I wouldn't accept anything less than $10 billion. I agree with them. But I don't want to imply that I would take $10 billion for the team. The Cowboys are just not for sale. They're a long-term asset. In my immediate family, they'll own the Cowboys long after I'm gone. When Steve Balmer paid $2 billion for the Clippers, I think that's what he paid.

People are like, I can't. And I'm like, if you pay cash for a house and you know you're never going to sell the house and you want to outbid people for it, then do it. Like, if a company is creating revenue and you love the company and you don't plan on selling it, when you look at the Dodgers price tag and the clippers, people are like it's way too much. If you don't have debt and you're making cash, who gives a rip? I wouldn't sell the cowboys. We are talking about this as if it's like a monopoly game, but there's not a lot of these things to buy.

There's only one Dallas Cowboys. At one point or another, you make enough money. Like if you're on Jerry Jones level of a billionaire, what's the difference of $5 billion and $10 billion when you get to that point? Is there something you just can't afford? Like there's nothing, there's no price tag that you can put on the Cowboys. 10 billion is really like too low. Joy, somebody told me this year's ago,

when you get to be a billionaire, this is why billionaires often go into politics or they buy teams. Money and assets are not an issue. You want to be known. You want to have a toy. Dallas Cowboys are the NFL's best toy. So this is like one of these things The NFL's best toy The whole planet's best toy

The most valuable franchise The biggest brand in all of sports All over the world You can't There is no other thing you're going to buy With that 10 billion And Jerry does that He's not selling the team

The past two weeks have been frustrating For the Warriors They lost Steph Curry to injury They had a late game confrontation Between Kevin Durant and Jemon Green And now they lost three straight games But at some point During that second loss in Dallas

Katie apparently had enough of a Mabbs fan that was seated courtside. So let's watch this. TMZ sports, the hecklers had been bombarding Katie with cupcake insults. And the witness tells TMZ sports that Katie complained to the refs at one point, but the fans weren't removed or disciplines. And they also said Katie's outburst was completely justified. No, please. Don't know who this person is.

It's telling him that. I don't like this. I defend KD a lot, and I think he should always be himself, and he's an emotional guy, and he responds on Instagram, and whatever it is he does. But you can't, you can't, if a fan says something to you, like if they were to use a racial slur or something like that, and you tell the refs and they're not removed, then you take it up with the league. And the refs should be disciplined for not handling that situation,

and the organization of where that happened should handle that as well. But if they're just yelling insults at you, this is unfortunately. part of the game. Like they're going, they're sitting court side. They're going to yell at you. You cannot lean over into the seats and say something like this. I don't really know what's going on here. I'm sure KD knows he can't do that.

It's really just more than anything, it's just not a good look. Yeah. Like it's not, it doesn't match what the Warriors do. It doesn't match what Katie does. It's a bad look. It's not a good look. And I'm not excusing the fans if they said something outrageous to him in any way. If they did, they should have been removed.

But it's just, If someone he puts her hands on them, there was a fan that came onto the court and approached Russ, I think it was last year, and he shoved them and got him away from him. And I have no problem with that because people are crazy. Who knows what someone's going to do when they're on the court? They're not supposed to be on the court.

They're in their seats. This is a really simple story. Don't do that. Yeah. I mean, you just can't do that. You can't do it. It's ridiculous. No, and especially not as Kevin Durant in the face of the league.

Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd line. Greg Cocell, top of next hour, the herd hierarchy, top of next hour.

An all-time showcase last night, and let me reiterate what I said, is that that game was not built to be perfect. You were asking team, security, fans, the league, the networks to move. It is like your wife coming to you and saying two days out, we're hosting 45 people

for a Thanksgiving party. It's not going to be perfect. You just try to pour the champagne and make it a fun night. Last night was a really fun night. It wasn't it wasn't even scheduled for that stadium. And with that, via the Coward Global Satellite Network, we go to Peter King, NBCSports.com. You know, I'm sitting watching that thing, Peter, last night,

and I watched Tribisky, I watch golf, I watch Mahomes. I don't think I've ever felt better about the future of the league. That was my takeaway. It's like, boy, this league is in good hands, don't you think? I think the quarterback position is in very good hands. I mean, there's a lot of hand-wringing. I've covered the league now. This is my 35th seat.

and there's always a lot of hand-wringing about the future of quarterback play. I don't know quite why that is when, you know, when Elway and Marino were nearing their end at the end of the 90s, people are saying, oh, my God, what are we going to do? And then after that, you know, Peyton Manning is going to leave the game and Brady's going to be 40. What are we going to do? Well, you're going to draft quarterbacks and develop them. It's the same thing you've always done in NFL history. So I've never bought the old saw that, oh, my God, are there going to be enough good quarterbacks? Are you kidding me?

Kids are playing seven on seven football. That's, you know, all year round, especially in the warm states in the country. Why wouldn't great quarterbacks continue to be developed? And in fact, why wouldn't better quarterbacks be developed now than they were 15, 20, 30 years ago? there's not going to be a quarterback shortage. That's laughable. By the way, there's two good trends for the NFL, one, to your point, and you're absolutely right. There's 15-year-old kids now that are miles ahead of where Brady were.

That's number one. And secondly, because of nutrition standards and less hitting, they're lasting longer. So golf could play for 18 years, not your customary 12 to 13. So those two trends guarantee great quarterback back play for years to come. I want to go to this, though. There's a story now. I talked about it yesterday. I had it sourced and it came out today with Ian Rappaport.

That McCarthy and Rogers, it was never an ideal fit. It's beyond frosty now. And I was thinking about this, Peter. Aaron Rogers is watching Tribisky. He's watching Goff. He's watching Mahomes, the last 36, 48 hours. And he's thinking to himself, God, we couldn't get two. We struggled to get two touchdowns against Buffalo.

Some marriages are, they're perfect fits. Some relationships just aren't, but you make them one. work. Couldn't I argue Aaron deserves his Matt Nagy. It's time for a break up there. I said that on Monday in my column, that it just feels like it's headed toward a new coach for the Packers in January. And I think it probably is time. It just isn't working well in Green Bay. I'm not killing Mike McCarthy over this. It's just, it just feels like it's time in Green Bay to make a change. You were, the best team in football I've seen is the Saints. I don't think the Rams can go there again and win. I don't. I don't think anybody in the NFC can go to New Orleans and win. They're

efficient plus dynamic. You actually sat in on the Saints meeting the night before the Eagles game. That's one of my dreams. I sat in a draft room this year. That was one of my dreams. What do you sense? What did you feel all your years covering sitting in that Saints room? My biggest takeaway from that is that I've done a lot of stories where I'm behind the curtain. I've been in nine draft rooms on draft, you know, on draft days. I spent a week with an officiating crew in 2013 and saw everything. I spent a week with Carson Palmer in 2015 and saw everything. I've done a lot of these stories. But the one thing that I had never done before is sat with a team that night before the game while a quarterback and a coach basically bounce ideas off each other,

like here's what we're going to do tomorrow. What do you think of this? What do you think of that? That was enlightening and it showed me that Sean Payton is not an autocratic guy. You would think that a coach of his standing in the NFL with that team, he'd be saying, okay, guys, here's what we're doing. The reason it works so well in New Orleans is that Drew Brees gave Sean Peyton about 46 plays the night before the game. It says, here's what I like. And Peyton put a dot next to him on his game plan, that big, huge sheet you see Peyton carrying. Yeah. And I don't know how many he used, but those are the ones he was going to go into the next day to use. And the final thing that I would say about it is

at times I felt like I was watching John Nash in a beautiful mind. I watched the walkthrough in a ballroom at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in the French quarter. And in the walkthrough, one of the plays that Sean Payton calls out, Colin,

here's what you saw. An offensive line with five guys on it. Three receivers here. Three receivers here. No quarterback, no running back. Nobody in the back field at all. and, you know, signals being called, and all of a sudden, Taysam Hill comes back and he stands and he gets the snap.

But I said, that's the darndest thing I ever saw. No quarterback, no running back, no wildcat, no, no empty backfield. Just, I mean, I'm talking a total empty backfield. No, no quarterback. And so those are the kind of ideas that the Saints just cycle through. And that's one of the reasons why the Saints are so good on offense. They're so confident to do things in different ways. Well, I've always said this that you can tell the influence of somebody like Jim Harbaugh,

not only because Michigan's better, but what happened to the Niners immediately after he left? Don't judge somebody by what they do when they arrive somewhere, but what do they leave? I watched the Philadelphia Eagles offense this year, and then I watched the Colts offense. And I'm not so sure Frank Reich isn't the coach of the year in the NFL. in Indianapolis. You know, Frank, there was talk two years ago that he was the next great coach in the NFL. I'm blown away by the guy. Give me some insight here. Are you surprised at all how much he's clicked? Here's the reason why that marriage is working so well, Colin. When Frank Reich interviewed for this job, one of the things that he did was he never asked Chris Ballard or Jim

Ursay. Hey, what about Andrew Luck? What kind of shape? is he in? And one of the reasons that he didn't do that, he didn't know when he took the job how whether Andrew Luck was going to be okay for this year. He didn't know. And the reason is because Frank Reich thinks, I'm going to get one of these 32 head coaching jobs and I'm going to win. And hey, I want Andrew Luck. I want him desperately. But if Andrew Luck's not there, I'm going to find a quarterback and we're going to win with him. And it's just the way he thinks. you know, that he believes that he knows enough and knows how to connect with players and knows what to do in terms of scheme that he can win. And so that's why, and of course, I don't mean for anybody to understand, well, he didn't care about luck.

Of course he cared. But his whole thought was, no matter who the quarterback is, we're going to win here. And I think he's been a great partner to Chris Ballard, the general manager, who basically this year with so many. great players in the draft. He picked a guard. Everybody's screaming at him. What in the world are you doing picking a guard? But he picked a guard. The guard was really good. And in the last five sacks, this rebuilt offensive line has allowed zero sacks. And I don't know. I agree with you. It was a really good pick by the cold. All right. Peter King, great stuff. NBC Sports. Joining us today. Quickly, we appreciate it. Thank you, Peter. All right, Colin.

I go back to that Rams Chiefs game last night is that I was on Twitter last day. It was one of those dozen games a year where I'm on Twitter and I have kind of random thoughts. Everybody is seeking perfection. Go to the 10 biggest games of your life. None of them were perfect. There were controversial calls.

There's a weird coaching move. A superstar does something dumb. You pick the sport. You guys, sports are better when paint sports. build. Sports is about arguing. Sports is about, I'm a professional arguer. And last night, we could argue for hours about that game. The Calls, McVeigh, Tyreek Hill, Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes, why'd you do that?

The officiating. You're looking for perfect games. Those are the boring ones. Titans, Texans next week. Good luck following that one. It'll be 1613. I'm sure it'll be perfect. Perfectly boring.

Last night was it was the Tyson fight without somebody biting an ear. It was just crazy. Crazy is great sports. Coming up next, LeBron admits it. We now know why he left Cleveland. Inside stuff from LeBron, we know why he left. And he didn't leave Cleveland. That's coming up.

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You're like, ah, man, I thought those guys were going to last forever. And then they get divorced. Then a year later, you're like, oh, she's dating the neighbor. It's kind of crazy there. The truth always comes out. Truth always comes out in a divorce. LeBron James Cleveland. Oh, the truth comes out.

Took us a while. It took us six months, but the truth comes out. In the athletic, LeBron's quoted is saying, everybody knows that when Kyrie got traded, it was the beginning of the end for everything, LeBron said. General manager Kobe Alton told me he would not trade Kyrie Irving to the Celtics. And then the deal was completed the same day. James said at that point in time, you realize Kobe Altman, the rookie GM,

is not the only guy running this team. Translation, LeBron didn't leave Cleveland. He left Dan Gilbert. Think about this. think of how well the bus family in Los Angeles has treated their stars. Wilt, West, Goodrich, Magic, Worthy, Kobe. They still have relationships with all those guys. I mean, Kareem, they've got a relationship,

and Kareem is sort of stoic and aloof and they still got a relationship. I mean, look at the Lakers and the bus family. You're part of the family. They're not jealous or insecure. year. Dan Gilbert has the best player in the NBA for 15 years and he butchers it twice. And the NBA has a history. There should be a bad owner's Hall of Fame. I mean, Ted Steppian, I mean, James Dolan, Donald Sterling, put Dan Gilbert in there. I mean, come on. You go look at how the Lakers treat their stars. Look how the warriors treat their stars.

He has a best player for 15 years. Ego, vanity, can't get along. Well, Dan Gilbert needed assurances. Here's the only assurance. When LeBron's there, you're good. When he's not, you stink. That's the only assurance. This is a league about players and stars, not about owners.

And now we know the truth. This is not a rumor, by the way. This is being told by LeBron. And LeBron wasn't being unreasonable. Hey man, don't trade Kyrie. He's the second best player on the team and one of the 15 best players. I don't know in the world. That's not an unreasonable demand.

And they butchered it. I mean, I'll say it again, is that the truth always comes out about these divorces. And I heard for years, I would hear this from the Gilbert people. Well, LeBron's a little needy. So's Jay-Z. So's Beyonce. So's Kobe. so is Aaron Rogers. Come on.

There's far less talented and influential players who are needy also. Needy is part and parcel dealing with superstars. They're a little needy. But they're really saying is Dan Gilbert wants to be the only needy one. Yes. Yeah, he wants to be the star. Just go look at how the Lakers treat their stars. You go look at how you go look at historically how the Steelers treat their peeps, how the Yankees treat.

I mean, the Yankees have. we were just talking about with Jerry Jones. At one point or another, you become so rich that you can't buy anything else. You can't buy any more toys. You can't buy any more houses that's going to make your life any different. So what can make your life different? Being famous. So what do you do?

You buy a professional sports team and then you put yourself in the front of it. And LeBron James, the biggest sports superstar in the world is on your team. Guess what? There's not a whole lot of shine left for you. Right. also on top of the fact that you're constantly butchering things. So maybe if you were a great owner alongside a great superstar, all-time superstar, then it would work.

But it's not. If you look at the Cavs as a stock, they're Bitcoin. When they've had LeBron, they're up. The minute he leaves, they crash. LeBron comes back, they're up. The minute he leaves, they crash. That's why Bitcoin, that's why banks won't put their arms around Bitcoin. It's totally dependent on, you know, LeBron James.

It's also a very easy thing to stop telling players you're not going to trade people. I think we've talked about that before too. Just stop saying that. Let me shift to this. Patrick Mahomes was remarkable last night. He went into the game. People said he was a leading MVP candidate. No.

I think Patrick Mahomes is amazing, but he's never been my leading MVP candidate. Two biggest games of the year, he lost both. Now, in both those games, he had big mistakes. If you're asking me, who's my MVP? I have him fourth. Number one, I have Drew Brees. He basically leads the NFL in,

everything. He leads the NFL right now in everything. Number two is Andrew Luck. Seventh straight game with three touchdowns. That's like all-time stuff. And by the way, he doesn't have nearly the toys, the running back, the wide receivers that Patrick Mahomes has. Number three is Big Ben. Big Ben has had the deal with this Lavian Bell circus all year. It's been a very turbulent flight. And right now, I'm not so sure outside of the Saints, Steelers aren't the best team in the league. And then I would put Patrick Mahomes fourth with 37 touchdown passes,

leads the NFL. Listen, we know how it works for the media. They like the new shiny toy. And Patrick Mahomes is great. And he's fun. And he's crazy. But in his two biggest games of the year, New England and the Rams, he got seven turnovers.

Drew Brees has a turnover, won all season. So I get the story's cool, the players cool. I like Patrick Mahomes. My guest booker met his dad last night. I love him. I think the NFL is an incredible shape. I get Wentz. I get luck.

I get Wilson. I get golf. I get Mahomes. I get Deshaun Watson. NFL's never been in better hands. These people think the NFL's dying, gambling was just legalized by the Supreme Court. It's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

Don't get yourself. You'll be able to best. in these stadiums within two years. You'll be able to go to the stadium and bet during the game like they do in the English Premier League in soccer. And there's never been a time in my life. We've had more great quarterbacks. And now they're lasting longer because you can't hit them.

So it's just like anything else. If they created cars and cars lasted longer, the car industry would be in really good shape. Okay? So we're in good shape. But Mahomes, to me, Breeze is the best in the league right now at everything. You've seen some erosion with Tom Brady. in the last three or four weeks.

You're not throwing touchdown passes. You see none with Breeze. Luck with very little to work with. A rebuilt offensive line. Not a great back. Not great superstar wide receivers is chopping it up. Big Ben has had the deal with a massive controversy for three months. And then I put my homes in there.

Wow, you hate this and that. No, I just, let me say there is another guy that deserves, can I just say Aaron Donald deserves a vote, the Rams. He leads the NFL in Sacks, quarterback hits, tackles for losses. No Aaron Donald. The Chiefs win last night. Aaron Donald's ridiculous.

I know you all love Khalil Mack. He's an interior defensive lineman who is doubled on every play. Interior defensive linemen do not lead the NFL in Sacks. It's not the way the game works. Edge rushers do. Aaron Donald is doubled more than any player in the league statistically, and he leads the NFL in sacks.

That is unheard of in the history of football. Heard hierarchy. Hour 2 in L.A. next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Here we go. Hour 2. This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Live in Los Angeles, the site of one of the great NFL games in recent memory. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1.

Joy Taylor is joining me in hour number two. Thanksgiving's on Thursday. I know many of you will be traveling over the next couple of days. Be safe. It's a great time of the year. It's one of my favorite weeks of the year. We do a Monday show. We have a great show today.

We have a great show tomorrow. And we go eat. Thanksgiving, I think, is... I know it's going to be outrageous, but Christmas is amazing. Thanksgiving is pretty close if you're not better. By the way, there's no... There's no comparison to the amount of money spent. you get to sit around and watch football all day and eat and drink and be around family and it's just the best

It is great isn't it all right so this is going to be the best segment ever I get herd hierarchy which I'm I guess him too into this and then we go Greg CoSell because we're going to move Greg on to the show this week because we don't have a Thursday show show so here we go here's the herd hierarchy Hierarchy Time is now let's go the top 10 NFL teams according to college number 10 I don't care about records. The Indianapolis Colts are one of the 10 best teams in the league. Andrew Luck's on pace to shatter every record he's ever have. Right now, they're incredibly well coached. They've got limitations on the back end of that defense. They're not great defensively. But I tell you what, they hit a home run in the last two drafts. They've shorted

their offensive line. Andrew Luck has attempted 214 straight passes without being sacked. You give Andrew Luck this kind of line. They have a decent, not great running game. Again, this is a team with holes, but you can't tell me there are 10 teams in the league. Did you see what they did to Tennessee this week? That thing wasn't competitive for eight minutes. Tennessee out, Colts at 10. Number nine. Houston Texans, I never truly trust them, but they are the first team since the 1925 Giants to go 0 and 3 and win seven straight. Now they it gets the Deshaun Watson story. Listen, Clemson was a really good football program forever. Deshawn Watson made him great. Houston's been a really talented team forever, and he's making them really

good. Deshawn Watson is a unique, a little bit of Russell Wilson, a little Steve Young, a little this, a little that, a little Carson Wentz, and their defense for the record is now playing good. They've always had big names, but their defense is allowing since week five, about 17 a game. So we know the JJ Watt. We know the defensive players. Now they're playing well, Texans at nine. Number eight. Dallas Cowboys, one slot ahead, just because I like their running game. The recipe's real simple on Dallas. They're 5 and 0 this year when DAC doesn't have a turnover. And they're 4 in 1 this year when Zeeke runs for over 100 yards.

Now, they've got to play with this formula. They're not great usually at playing from behind. They're a little like Carolina. But I don't get quite the roller coaster with DAC that I do, Cam. Dak can be pretty good below average. Cam can give me great and not. This is kind of the Carolina Panthers. They're not as good at quarterback.

but they're a better running team. And I'm going to put the Cowboys for now at eight. Number seven. Chargers are better than the Cowboys. Philip Rivers, by the way, did not play well Sunday, but he's the only player in the league with multiple touchdown passes in every game this season. And he's the only quarterback who's at a 90-plus passer rating

in every game this season minimum. So he just didn't play well Sunday. But they're very good defensively. First in the league since week five in defense points per game. Again, they don't have a home field advantage. They're not good enough on special teams. Philip Rivers makes too many mistakes two or three times a year. I don't think they can win the Super Bowl.

I don't think they can go to a Kansas City, go to a New England, go to a Pittsburgh and win. I'm not sure they can go to Houston and win, but they are, in my opinion, the seventh best team in the NFL. Number six. Chicago Bears. The Bears are not as talented as the Chargers. They're not. But they don't make the mistakes the Chargers do. And I trust their kicker more.

They've got the league's best turnover differential at plus 13, and they're the only team ranked in the top five. in scoring defense, total defense, and takeaways. Listen, this is a team with two stories. It's a very good defense with a superstar defensive player, Cleo Mac, and it is the most clever offense. I mean, listen, I love Andy Reed, Sean Peyton, and Sean McVeigh. They got something to work with. Tribusky is a marginal talent,

and even their dive plays are spectacular to watch Bears at 6. Number five. I'll put New England one spot ahead of Chicago because they beat Chicago in Chicago. Now, fewest penalties in the league, fewest penalty yards in the league, they don't turn it over. Listen, Tom Brady is not having a great year

for Brady standards. Now, a lot of this is, Gronk, he's on the last year. It's over. Their rookie running back, Sony Michelle, been hurt half the year. Edelman's off an ACL. Josh Gordon, pretty much disappeared for five years. I don't think Brady's working with a ton here. They're

rebuilding the left tackle on the offensive line. I think Tom's still great if he's give him weapons. But I always say the final four teams in my herd hierarchy feel like Super Bowl winning teams. So Patriots 5. Number four. Rams are four. Listen, I love the Rams. But I took the Chiefs and the points last night, blazing five at a winning week. Here's my problem with the Rams. Not only is their offense, a home run offense, their defense is a home run defense. I mean, they'll get the sacks. They'll get the picks. They'll get the touchdowns. But man, is there a defense this talented that gets burned as badly and as often as the Rams do?

I mean, their last three wins are by a combined 10 points. As good as that coaching and offense is, they just get gashed over the top where there's not a corner for 15 yards a lot. Rams at 4. Number three. I think the Chiefs are a better team, even though they lost. I think if you'd have gone to Kansas City or a neutral field, and Kansas City is, wins that game by more than a field goal. Rams won by a field goal and dominated the first 10 minutes of the game,

got some officiating breaks. I think Kansas said he's loaded. Now, again, Patrick Mahomes has got a little Brett Favre where he's going to drive you crazy and you're going to fall in love with him and you're going to win a lot of fantasy pools with him and he's going to set records and he's going to win multiple MVPs and he's going to lose some big games for you. But I got the Chiefs at three.

Number two. Pittsburgh Steelers. I picked him to win the Super Bowl, lead the NFL in Sacks. About a month ago, five weeks ago, they played Atlanta. And it was at that moment they flipped a switch defensively and solved their issues. Massive pass. They have great line play, a Hall of Fame quarterback, superstar receiver. Listen, I think they'd be better with Lavian Bell.

I just do. But James Connor is so good. It allows them to get rid of the noise of Lavian Bell and the headache. Steelers at two. Number one. I mean, first team in the Super Bowl era to score 40 plus points in six of their first 10 games to Saints. We had the Saints number one. Was it three or four weeks ago?

They're special. What can you say? You get all the dynamic stuff with no turnovers. I mean, Drew Breeze has one turnover all year. I get great coaching. I get dynamic running. Over the top offense. I get everything.

Oh, by the way, I do believe right now, if their offensive lines, not the best in the league, it's top three. you can't run on them. Now, back into that defense, they may give up some cheap touchdowns. That's their flaw. You can take them deep. Other than that, looks like to me the best team in the lake, don't see anybody going to the Super Dome and beating them,

maybe in a Super Bowl, and not the Super Dome. And with that, with that, 30 years plus NFL films, this guy, if you play fantasy, if you bet, or you just love football, the most objective, as thoughtful as anybody bring on. Greg Kosell joining us now in the HARDB the Coward Global Satellite Network. And let's start with this. Rams Chiefs last night.

Yeah. I came out of that game and I'm like, Kansas City gave the ball up all night and still had a chance to win. I'm kind of more impressed with Kansas City. I know. Well, see, it's funny. I look at these games, teams, as you know, I look at it tactically.

And I think that you're dealing with two very, very good offenses that are different. And I would say this. I would say that when you look at the Rams, the Rams are relic. What they do is they use the outside zone run game, and they run with tight or minus splits, as we say. So what they're trying to do is they're trying to expand you horizontally, stretch you vertically, and they create a lot of space in the middle of the field. Yes, they do. That's the way they play.

Yep. Whereas the Chiefs, on the other hand, are very multiple form. They move their people around an awful lot. They look for matchups and mismatches because they have people that can do that. They have Tyree Kill. You put them in the inside slot and who's going to cover them. If you're man to man, it's difficult. If you're playing zone, it's a linebacker or a safety in there.

Kelsey is a mismatch nightmare. So they're very formation-based. They move people around and they look for those mismatches with a question. quarterback that can drive the football to all parts of the field. And I haven't even mentioned Kareem Hunt, who's a dynamic receiver, and that's another critical piece. So they go about creating their explosive plays differently, the Rams and the Chiefs. Yeah, let me ask you about this.

Aaron Rogers has to be looking at Tribisky and Goff and Mahomes, and it's all driving him crazy because they got all these genius play designers. I watch Patrick Mahomes, and he reminds me so much of Brett Farve. you're going to fall in love with him. You're going to buy his jersey. He's going to set records, and he's going to break your heart. I mean, he felt a little Texas Tech last night, didn't he? Well, we don't know that yet, Colin.

I mean, the guys had a really good season. I mean, you and I both know because I watched a ton of his tape coming out of college, and I've talked to a lot of coaches. It's easy now to say, well, he's great, and he should have been the number one pick and everybody missed, blah, blah, blah, blah. But there were a lot of coaches who felt when he came out of Texas Tech, There were concerns about his ability to play within structure effectively. No one questioned the armed talent because anybody can see that.

He obviously has movement ability and can throw on the run, but there were a lot of concerns with coaches I spoke to that they just weren't sure whether after they spent 20 hours a day putting their offense together, whether he would execute it. Now, the bottom line is he's done a really good job of that. And I wouldn't look at last night. Obviously, he had the two fumbles. Things like that do have to be cleaned up.

but I would say he's not been a reckless player for the most part this year. In fact, I've truly been impressed and somewhat surprised at how well and efficiently he has played within structure. And I think that's a tribute to the Chiefs coaching staff. Let me shift to another team that's fascinating. Explain to me on what the film said, how you can play as badly as the Steelers for three and a half quarters and so great for six minutes. Did they come in formationally, schematically messed up?

I mean, explain what happened with that offense. I will say this. And a very good friend of both of ours, Ron Jaworski, always told me that there were two games a year in which he and every quarterback is just bad, that they don't see things and they don't throw the ball well. And personally, Ben has done that throughout his career. He's had these kinds of games, and then in the fourth quarter, he comes back and wins you the game. So I don't view this game as a problem for the Steelers going forward. And in fact, I think that their offense, you know, it's funny.

We just talked about the Rams and the Chiefs. The Steelers are not like that. The Steelers, you could almost argue, are more like the Packers in the sense that they rely on a lot of individual isolation routes, and they rely on their receivers to win and win. get open and Ben certainly has the ability to extend his there's some stat about his uh yards per completion when he throws the ball after three seconds that's ridiculous it's something like 17 yards per completion when he throws the ball after he's in the pocket or moving around for more than three seconds so he's got that ability as does Aaron Rogers but both those teams Colin they rely

more on individual routes we can debate that and then I know people think Aaron Rogers is playing in a bad offense, but the Steelers are somewhat similar. Yeah. You know, let's talk about Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers. I said, I think Mike McCarthy is a good coach. I still think John Fox can coach. But I do think there are times in every industry, yours, mine, football, whatever it is, that people don't quite keep up.

They kind of get embedded into their system and they don't evolve and they don't adapt. And this happens in American business all the time. when I watch last night those offenses, those sets, the jumbo sets, I watched Tribeschi, I don't know. I watched McCarthy and I'm like, man, they just don't look as slick. And I think Aaron does deserve a little more progressive offense. Yeah. And, you know, it's always been said that there's many ways to win in the NFL and you can win a lot of ways.

I know a lot of people now believe that unless you have sort of this, you know, warp speed type of offense that you can't win. And that remains to be seen and we'll see. But there's no question that if teams do a lot more with route integration, with movement, with misdirection concepts, backfield actions, all these things that put stress on defenses that you're more likely to create more defined and better throwing opportunities for your quarterback. So we'll see going forward. My guess is Mike McCarthy, you know him. He's an old Pittsburgh guy. He's not likely to change dramatically. This is what their

offense is. Yeah. Let me talk. There's two guys in the league that I've liked more than the public for sure, and mostly liked more than the media. Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck. I just like them more than everybody else. And I think a lot of it, I like their personality.

There's no BS. There's no nonsense. But I'm watching Luck this year. And man, oh man, his completion percentage is up, he doesn't take hits. How much of this is Frank Reich? I mean, boy, they're fun to why. They're very tight-end centric.

What do you make of them? Well, I think it's a combination of a number of things. I think it starts with the scheme because the scheme, Colin, is built on more quick game, meaning three-step drops, quick five-step drops, get the ball out. That's built into the scheme. Secondly, they've clearly gotten much, much better on their offensive line.

and that certainly doesn't hurt. Any quarterback will tell you that. And I would say that luck, and who knows, maybe the year off helped, but he is far more decisive in the pocket than he used to be. He's been very, very good at eliminating what's not there really quickly and then isolating what's there within the timing and structure of the concept. And he rarely holds the ball now, Colin. He used to hold the ball an awful lot,

And we used to marvel at his ability to make those second reaction play someone like Ben. But we don't see that very much now. And then to me, that's a good thing. I mean, the idea is to run your offense with efficiency. You know, you look at the Brady's, the Breezes. We don't need to spend a lot of time with Drew Breeze talking about his ability to make improvisational plays because we don't get there. Yeah, I'm just watching some of this video. He's had a heck of a year.

Let me shift to Brady. The numbers are down, right? Yep. Here's what I see. Gronk's on his last year. Gordon is still a building relationship. Sony-Michel's been healthy every other game. Their leading receivers are running back.

I think Tom's still very good. I don't think many quarterbacks could take these disparate parts. This is a rebuilding left tackle situation. I don't think Brady's falling off a cliff. I think most quarterbacks, when you compare Kansas City's weapons and the Rams weapons, and the Saints and I look at Brady's weapons, and I'm like, pretty darn impressive to me. Have you seen erosion?

Is it a weapon issue with Brady? Because his numbers are down. Say that there's been— erosion might not be the right word because it's Tom Brady, and it's very hard for me to say that he's really going down until there's a larger track record of that. But I think that there have been times this year where he hasn't been quite as consistently accurate. The ball placement hasn't been as consistently precise as it has been in the past. as it has been in the past. But again, I'd be real leery of saying that he's now done.

You know, they're coming off a buy and heading into the stretch of the season. I'd like to wait and see on that. Let me shift to Breeze, who would be my MVP today. Yeah. He's always been good. His numbers this year are comical. My takeaway is, well, Sean Payton didn't get smarter. Breeze didn't get greater.

My takeaway is he's always been really good. And now he's just using these rules to his. advantage for a guy like Breeze with this personnel, this coach, and these new, you know, everything's a catch. They don't even review balls last night that are catch or no catch. I think some of this is just he's great and with the rules he's ridiculous. What's the film say? I think that Breeze is an absolute master at one thing that's rarely talked about with

quarterbacks and should be first. And that's precise ball location. Because I remember talking to Troy Aikman about this years ago, Kyle. and he told me that you could do everything right as a quarterback, but if you can't put the ball where you want to, then you have nothing. And just think about that for a second because it's so true. And Drew Brees, I don't think I've seen a quarterback in this given year be as consistently precise. And I'm talking about really precise, because accuracy is one of those relative terms,

and that's why I say precise ball location. I don't think I've seen a quarterback that consistently precise with his ball location. throw after throw is Drew Breeze. Yeah, watch this. We'll show a tape. We're showing tape now of him. He has a throw, and it's a shot from behind. He has a throw against Philadelphia.

It's not this one. I think it's the one coming up next. Right here, watch. That's ridiculous. I mean, that's just a ridiculous. He's throwing into a crowd of people, needle in a haystack. He squeezes it through a doorhole, keyhole. And that's quarterbacking in the NFL.

You know, at all, look, we can talk about Lamar Jackson. We can talk about quarterbacks that move around. We can talk about all those things. But at some point, the game still gets reduced to the quarterback making throws. And whether you're making them from the pocket, whether you're making them moving, you have to be able to place the ball where it needs to be. All right. Finally, your big play includes the Dallas Cowboys.

Fire away. Well, what's your take on the Cowboys? Where do you see them? To me, they're a team that has to limit the exposure of Dak Prescott and play to their running game and to their defense. That's exactly it. 100 yards for him, no turnovers for DAC. There's a recipe for them to win. They have to

do like three things, yeah. So let's run this play now, and you'll see this was the Zeke Elliott 23-yard touchdown run against the Falcons. And this was a really, you see him, of course, beat an unblocked defender, which of course Elliot

can do very well. I think he may be the best pure runner in the game. But let's start this play here. There's going to be a double team with Swain and Fleming on Beasley working up to the stacked backer. That's the first part. We're going to take this in segments. That's the first part of this play. It's the critical piece. It's a combo block. You see that Fleming will now help out on Beasley and he will work up to the stacked backer. This is critical. It's combination block. Then the same thing's going to happen on the other side with Looney and Suafilo. They're going to block the defensive team.

tackle and they're going to work up to the stackbacker. These two blocks are absolutely critical because you're taking care of the second level defenders. On this side, the linebacker hits the gap, so Suafila has to come off. But now the key, key block, the critical block is a one-on-one block by Zach Martin, and he's blocking the three technique. And this is critical. This is the key block because it's one-on-one. Doubles are always good, and you want to hug double teams, but now you're getting the one block he gets through and he can make unblocked offenders miss. And that's critical. As we said, this is a team.

They have to run the football and they have to lean on Elliott. They've got to play good defense, which they are, and they have to limit the exposure of the quarterback who's really a complimentary piece. Yeah, you have to win at some level in this league. It's not only unified and choreography. You got to win one-on-one battles in the trenches. You just have to. And that's a great piece of video.

They won as a unit and they won a one-on-one battle. Greg CoSell, NFL films. Great stuff, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Coming up next, Lakers, think long and hard about waiting until next year. There's a move to be made now. There is. That's next.

And what Patrick Mahomes did last night with the turnovers, why it's explainable in L.A. It's the hurt. In NFL football, Thanksgiving feast will be served up on Fox, says bitter NFC rivals battle when Adrian Peterson and the division leading Redskins landed in Dallas to take on Ezekiel Elliott and the Cowboys. It all starts at 4 Eastern on Fox. That'd be good. That'd be really good.

By the way, Vicks Synex nasal spray, cold and flu seasons here. Last up to 12 hours when congestion strikes. By the way, I keep hearing this for the Lakers. Well, next year they're going to get Kevin Durant. Two years they're going to get Anthony Davis. next year they're going to get Clay Thompson. You keep telling me, Kauai Leonard is going to leave.

There's a move to be made right now. According to Wojsh, and according to various sources, the Wizards have decided they're breaking up John Wall and Bradley Beale. Now, nobody wants John Wall. That is an untradable contract. He's needy. He's distracted. He's immature, hard to play with.

He's Westbrook out east. But Bradley Beale is Clay Thompson. He is a perfect fit for LeBron James. he is young, he's only 25, he's a great shooter, he doesn't need the ball, and he's athletic. Now, he's not as good a defender as Clay, but he can play. I love Bradley Beale. Now, here's why I love him. Warren Buffett is America's number one investor on stock market, right?

On Wall Street, he's known as a value investor. Warren Buffett buys companies that he believes are undervalued. Bradley Beale's the most undervalued player in the league. He's never had an elite coach. John Wall's impossible to play with. He is a super high basketball IQ guy. The only knock on him, the contract. Okay, the rest of this year, you've got to pay him big money two years after that.

But all I'm saying is you keep telling me about Anthony Davis. You've got to wait two years for that unless you had to make some huge trade. Do you have the pieces to get Anthony Davis? I don't think you do. What are you going to give somebody for Anthony Davis? You don't have a star outside of LeBron? Okay, you're going to get Kowai Leonard? You're sure he's going to come?

Paul George didn't. Well, we get Kyrie. Irving. You're not playing with LeBron. Had him didn't like him. Clay Thompson, not leaving Golden State. Prove it to me. Kevin Durant, Flaky. I'm just telling you right now, this Bradley Beale kid, to put up the numbers, he's a career, 39% three-point shooter, he's a 46% shooter, he's a 22-point-a-game guy, and that's playing with John Wall, who's impossible to play with. Wall's a less talented Westbrook. He's gifted, he's unbelievable. He's a baller. He's hard to play with. I mean, Kevin

Durant's a better player outside of Westbrook. Hardens a better player away from Westbrook. Victorola Depot is a much better player away from Westbrook. Bradley Beale is a 24-point-of-game guy playing with LeBron, playing with Lonzo. That's the move and you can make it. You've got to swallow some contract, but I don't buy this Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant. There's a lot of talk and chatter and chatter. You've got Kevin Durant screaming, throwing F-bombs at fans. You don't know what you get day-to-day minute to minute with Kevin Durant. Bradley Beals a move. I'd make it. I've loved him for years.

He's an undervalued stock. Here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, LeBron and the Lakers faced the Cavs on Wednesday in his first game back in Cleveland. Oh. And leading up to the matchup, Lebron looked back on his time with the Cavs and interview with the athletic.

And when he was asked if he's expecting a reaction from the Cavs fans like he was, got in 2010 after he joined the heat. This is what he said. Belief, it better not be. It doesn't matter if it's negative because the only thing it matters is what I gave to that city, what I gave to that community, what I'm still giving to that community. I'm in a whole different space than I was in 2010, so bleep doesn't bother me. You know what? You should give him a standing ovation for five minutes. That's what you should do. You should say thank you. You know what? If there's a beautiful person in your life, and even if she leaves you, if she made your life better, then you say, thank you. There's no reason to be silly and yelling and, it's great. Well, not just made your life

better. He gave you something that you've never had in your entire existence. A ring. A ring. And is still giving to that community. He has a school there. If they boo him, if Cleveland booes him, new rule on the show, Ohio doesn't exist. Honestly, I think there's going to be some scattered booze from some ridiculous fan people that are really just being disrespectful. I never tell you what to put on your show. If they boo him, I'm going to say, Joy, we have 49 states in America. Ohio does not exist. I won't even talk Baker Mayfield.

I mean, we may have to. I don't think. I think that they will give him a nice reception. Let's guess. 80, 20. What is your guess? On the booing? Boing.

Oh, I'm going to be generous here. I'm going to put my faith in Cleveland. Don't ask me why. But I'm going to say it's like overwhelming. I'm going to say it's like 98% cheers. Okay. So your nine, Joy, write this down, John. Joy is 98%.

I can't go 100 because there's always some weirdos. But I'm going to go. The reception that he got with the heat, he will not get in Cleveland. By the way, do you think it's ironic that, LeBron's going to play in Cleveland, and that story drops yesterday about I left because of Dan Gilbert? No. No coincidence. There's zero coincidence in that whatsoever.

That came out for a reason. I'm going to go 80-20. There'll be a scattered booze. No, I think it'll be scattered booze. I think it'll be very, very, very faint. I don't think that there will be anything close to the reception that he got. Let's send a herd microphone to Cleveland. We want official data.

Greg, get on a herd microphone in the arena. Okay. All right. Time now for the Real Deal presented by Hardee's and Carl's Jr. And Jared Gough is the real deal. His Rams trailed the Chiefs by four points, less than two minutes. Golf kept his poise and orchestrated the game-winning drive

that ended up the 48-yard touchdown pass with Gerald Everett. And here is Sean McVeigh on that poise. And so many guys made plays today, Gary. But I thought Jared's poison and confidence and ability to respond after it wasn't always pretty, especially in some instances, is why you love him and why he's such a good. great quarterback because of that even-keeled demeanor and disposition and that poise that we always talk about. He is very even-keeled. He is. No question. I like the excitement that Mahomes showed, you know, after the defensive touchdown. And he's just, he's more of a spark plug and a dynamic

kid. Golf is very even-keeled. But I like that. And especially in a quarterback, either one will do. Mahomes is incredibly talented, but this is something, it's perfect for the Rams. Can I just say something about Carl's, Carl's Jr.? Isn't that crazy? That Carl's Jr. is great. That Carl's Jr. is called Carl's Jr. on the west side of the country. And then the east side, they change it to Hardee's.

Can you imagine, like, if Burger King was like Burger King out west and then Lenny's hamburger shack out east? It's amazing. It's called two things. It's not like Amazon out west and Bob's Tradestore.com out east. Carl's Jr. is a different name. Well, they want to keep it dynamic. you know, I'm going to keep you on your toes.

Yeah, that's incredible. It's got great food, too. I've never even thought about that until that moment, and I had to talk about it. You know what? I got to be honest with you. I haven't either. Golf had 31 and 49 throws for 413 yards and four touchdowns, including the game winner. He also had two fumbles, but overall, they were both great.

You can't really ask for a better Monday night football game. It felt like a Super Bowl. Oh, yeah. Oh, God, we wish the Super Bowl was that. Exactly. Exactly. Go on. Please let the Super Bowl be that good.

Finally, Sam Darnel is in battling a right foot injury since week nine against the dolphins. He didn't practice yesterday, but he wasn't wearing the walking boots. So that leaves the door open for him to possibly return this weekend against the Patriots. And Darnal is optimistic he will see the field. Here he is on his foot. Feels good. Feels great. So nothing for me to complain about.

So no pain either. Foot's really good. You know, I feel really good. Like I said last week, I mean, just following protocol right now. So I think, you know, the idea of going up against him and the Patriots and Coach Belichick, all those guys, it's a cool thing, especially with me growing up in the era where they've really, you know, really controlled the whole NFL for the most part. I mean, so it's really cool to be able to have a chance to go up against them if I get the opportunity this weekend.

The Jets haven't beaten New England since Week 16 of 2015. He ain't beaten them this weekend. And the Jets are on a four-game losing streak. which, yeah, we'll likely be. And New England was off a bad loss. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this is probably going to be pretty ugly. I don't see the point in rushing garnold back whatsoever.

Like, the season is kind of what it is for the Jets. Yeah. I don't know why you try and accelerate an injury like that. Just let him heal, give him the extra week. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Whatever it is that he needs. You know what this season holds as far as, you know, you're looking to it

the long term at this point. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. USA Today columnist, Jared Bell was at the game last night. His impressions talking with both teams, the Chiefs, and the Rams' tie law last hour.

That is coming up. He is a long-time columnist for the USA Today, Jared Bell. Was I supposed to read something there, Joy? I don't think so. Okay. I thought I screwed up. Since 1993, Jared Bell, USA Today columnist, you were at the range. Chiefs last night.

It's funny. It was a showcase. And I said this earlier. They had to move teams, move cities. The fact that it was that good is remarkable. Yeah. And how often do we see these games that are much hyped? And then you get to the game and it's a first round knockout, so to speak.

Like St. Eagles this weekend. Oh, for sure. Yeah. It just doesn't live up to what we were hoping for. So from that standpoint, I mean, just incredible. And there was an electric atmosphere inside the Coliseum. everything that's happened here in Southern California and the, you know, the idea that the Rams wanted to pay homage to the victims of the tragedies and whatnot.

So that added to it. But the game itself, that's what everybody came to see. And what a show. Listen, I know Patrick Mahomes has the arm, but Gough makes fewer mistakes. Mahomes' mistakes are very far-like. Shouldn't Andy Reid be a little concerned, Jared? Yeah, and it's interesting because one of the things that Andy Reid said after the game, He was talking about Mahomes and the last two interceptions.

And obviously he's not going to throw Patrick Mahomes under the bus. And he said, hey, I have full trust in him because I've seen some of these plays work for us so often all season. But he also said, you know what? Maybe I could have done a better job calling some plays down the stretch. You think about that next to last drive when Mahomes gets hit on the, you know, on the pass rush. and the ball pops out there, you know, they didn't need to go for broke right then and there, okay? They could have taken their time, worked their way down the field,

got into position, if not for a field goal, maybe. They could still go for it and try to score, but they had time and they had the opportunity to work the game like that. And I think that's going to be one of the big lessons for Andy Reid. Now talk about this game, I think about this game in terms of what it's going to mean in January, especially for Andy Reed and his playoff reputation, his playoff resume, not very good, great in the regular season,

what happens in the playoffs? Well, game management becomes, situational football becomes all of that sends you home or not. And obviously a young quarterback like Patrick McHolmonds is going to look at this and try to learn some things, but it's Andy Reid who's going to have to learn some things too. By the way, that Rams defense, not only is the offense a home run offense.

Jared, that defense is a home run defense. When they get beat, the Rams get blistered. I don't think, I think their defense is an issue. I think there's a lot of guys, you know, and Domen Kinsu is sort of doing his own thing. Marcus Peter sometimes doing his own thing. I think this defense is not very disciplined. Well, you know, and the thing, too,

we haven't seen the defense that they wanted to construct. Obviously, they added Fowler, Dante Fowler, got him in a trade. Taleb's hurt. Yeah, that's what I was going to get around to. I mean, you think about if you have Akib Talib and Marcus Peters, who's probably not 100%, but most people are not 100% right now, but Talib not being there for an extensive part of the season, what a disruption when you build that defense around having those two lockdown corners and then all the things that you can do around them.

Yeah, so I think that's one of the things. And, hey, there's still time if they get to leave back and they get into the flow to take their defense up a notch in the play. playoffs, but yeah, you ask about Indama Kong Siu, and you wonder what the impact is there and kind of how this whole thing is flowing together. Two things, and that was just a wild showcase. Jarrett Bell USA Today columnist since 1993 at the game last night. Two things.

You recently sat down and talked to Jerry Jones. I've said before every year in the playoffs, there's a team that gets in, and we know it's kind of the weakest team. Dallas can win, but they've got to play a certain way. Dak can't turn it over. Zeke's got to run for 100 yards. I think Jason Garrett's safe, though. I look at this, I look at Jerry's age.

You sat down with them. I'm hearing a lot of coaching rumors. None of my sources are hearing Jason Garrett's in trouble. Yeah, and everybody has wondered about Jason Garrett all season, last season. I mean, it's just kind of part of the deal there. But it was interesting. So I was in Philadelphia when they beat the Eagles. And I think that game, as much as any, and it's going to be every week.

I mean, they're going to need, they had to win Atlanta. They've got Washington this week. So they've got these big games. but, you know, if they get to the point, they go into December. They've got the Saints coming up after next week. They'll be in a great position to go ahead and try to win the NFC East. I think personally, and Jerry didn't say this, but just in my opinion that there's another layer between Jason Garrett

and getting fired when you start talking about where things can go with the offense. And so I think there's some protection there. But the thing that Jerry told me that was interesting is that before that game in Philadelphia, he talked to Garrett and he said, hey, is this enough pressure for you? And they kind of laughed it off. And the thing that he added to him, he says, you know, you're under pressure, but I'm under the gun too. And we're like a brotherhood here.

And that just kind of reinforced what we've heard about Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett and their relationship over many years, really. And, you know, Garrett is lucky, quite frankly, to be in that situation because if he had been a lot of other places with the record that he's had in terms of what he's been able to do in the playoffs. Yeah, he would be gone. In a lot of places. Not every place, because look at Mike McCarthy.

Yeah, let's segue to Mike McCarthy. I'm told he is gone. I'm told that Aaron and him were never a perfect match. It was never a perfect marriage. It's gotten worse. The fabric's torn. I think Aaron's getting frustrated watching Tribisky, watching golf, watching Mahomes,

watching these clever new Sean Payton. And I've been told it's, you know, even if they go on a five-game winning streak, it's over. And by the way, that's okay. By the way, people get divorced and are separately happy all the time. I just think it's time. And I totally back Aaron Rogers on this.

I do think he needs a more progressive head coach. Yeah, well, when you look at what we saw last night with the Rams offense, and I think Coachell said it earlier, that, you know, Kansas City offense and the Rams offense, two different types of offenses, but, you know, innovative offenses. Then you look at Sean Payton in New Orleans. Now, he's been together with Drew Brees since 2006, a long time. guess what? They always seem to keep it fresh. And the thing that the Packers have not done with Aaron Rogers is really support him, not only with the defense, which, you know, you can say that

for any quarterback you want to have a good defense on the other side, but even in what they do with the offense. So if you look at the Saints, for example, and obviously they've got the great offensive line, they've got the receiving weapons. They've had those guys cycling in, but they also have that one-two running back punch, and they really invested in that, which helps Drew Brees, oh, by the way, who can run everything else, and they are innovative. And they are going to be hard to beat down the stretch, obviously, too. Yeah, I think what your point is, really, they have not only not given Aaron a defense, they have not given them a running game, they're not giving him the free agency personnel,

and frankly, they're not very clever. I mean, listen, I'm not a football coach, but I know a lot of them. I talk to a lot of them. When you watch Green Bay, man, it's pretty vanilla. Yeah, it's like, oh, Aaron Rogers will bail us out. That's right. He's a human life preserver. Save us.

Yeah. What are you going to do now, Aaron? And sometimes he can get it done and he can make these guys better. But when you put so much pressure on one guy to do it, weekend, week out, weekend again and again, then that's what you're going to get. Yeah, there are, it's too bad. You know, Mike McCarthy will get a job. I know, I mean, somebody will offer Mike McCarthy a job. But I just think there are time stuff doesn't work.

And I think the last two nights, Aaron sat there and watched Trubisky, Gough and Mahomes. He's like, wait a minute. I'm better at all these guys. I can't do this stuff. Jared Bell, USA Today, since 1993, Chiefs Rams last night. Always love having you on the show. Hey, appreciate it, man. When you're in L.A., text me a day early and I'll buy lunch.

Bosses will pay for it, but I'll buy your lunch. All right. I mean, I won't pay for. I mean, the bosses, you know, Fox will pay for it. 1-800flowers.com, Thanksgiving season, 1-800flowers.com. 24 multicolored roses, just $24. Terms and conditions apply. 1-800flowers.com code H-E-R-D.

Thanks to Jared Bell. Tylawn next. Hour 3 in Atlanta, The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hour 3. Here we go on a Tuesday. This is The Herd Wherever you may be in However, you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. What a day today. Peter King, Greg Cosell, Jared Bell, and Tyler.

law will be joining us. Okay, tomorrow we show up and work, and then we just don't show up and work for like four days. Then it's Thanksgiving. Yeah, it's for the most people that's starting to be around the schedule. Yeah. Unless you work in retail, in which case you will be working. My daughter's coming home from college, get a hang out. Oh, that's exciting.

It's very exciting for me. So I was always more of a Christmas guy and a Fourth of July guy, and I was never really a Thanksgiving person. The house is hot. I had to wear a sweater as a kid. I hated it. Oh, you guys dress up for the food? Yeah, I mean, now everybody, it's fun, and I get to see my kids,

and it's just a bunch of food, and I got a chef in the family now. You know, they tried to get rid of Thanksgiving last year. Who did? Just everyone. There was, like, a big push. Really? Just kind of skip over Thanksgiving. On Twitter?

Everywhere. It was like all the Christmas songs were everywhere, Christmas decorations. It's just like, hello, what happened to Thanksgiving? Well, Twitter tried to get rid of me years ago, and I'm still here. Hey, you know, Survivors, you and Thanksgiving. Yeah. Coming up in 15 minutes, three-time. Super Bowl champ, Ty Law, stops by.

Later and best for last, Patrick Mahomes was not the losing quarterback last night. We'll tell you the losing quarterbacks last night. So we saw, you saw, we all saw, an incredible showcase last night between the Rams and Chiefs. But it could have been completely chaotic. The teams had to move, the security had to move, the broadcast networks had to move,

the teams had to figure out where to stay, they hadn't booked rooms. And for those two teams, teams in all that mess to come together last night and give us that tip of the cap to the Hunt family, Andy Reed and the Chiefs, tip of the cap to less need, staying cronkey, the Rams organization, Sean McVeigh. That was unbelievable. I mean, good God, fans, security, hotels, teams, training, practices, networks. You know what that was last night? That was your wife coming to you and saying, you know that huge Thanksgiving party in two days on Thursday?

Yeah. You know, like 45 cousins at your brother's house? Yeah, it's at our house. What? We don't have the space. It's at our house. We don't have the rooms. It's at our house.

We don't have the food. It's at our house. What happened? Their dishwasher broke. Their kitchen got flooded. It's at our house. But what? And you turn to your wife and you say, order some champagne, honey.

Let's just have a good time. Last night, that was just a good time. when you got to throw a party together and 90,000 people are going to be there or however many were and you don't have time to get out all the wrinkles you just have a good time. It was what every great game is.

There was some weird clock management by Sean McVeigh. What was he doing? A 28 second drive? Take a knee, bro. There was some officiating calls you didn't love. There was strange decisions by Patrick Mahomes late. There was stars making star plays. There was Tyreek Hill twice upon a kickoff. What are you doing?

What are you doing returning those? It was everything a great game is. It's never clean. Every great fight I've been to, every great NFL game I've been to, every great final four game. There's always a clock management issue. There's always a tip pass or a call you don't like. There's always a star being a star and a star doing a knucklehead thing. Call in the officiating, whatever. about it. Kansas City wasn't ready to play in the first eight minutes. They had a lot of penalties. That's not on the officials. What about the tip pass? What about it? They let the play go. Then they reversed it. They got it right. What about the Rams offensive linemen that moved? Guess what? You have a fireworks show for four hours. Sometimes one of those fireworks goes off

into the tree, starts a low fire. It's not perfect. Last night was not built to be perfect. It was your wife coming to you and saying, we got to host 48 people in your little 2,200 square foot house for a Thanksgiving party and not that much yard to play with. And you just turn to your wife and say, let's just have a good time. And the league just said, we're going to bring some refs in. We're going to do the best we can. We're not really prepared for it. The game was scheduled for Mexico City.

Now it's in Los Angeles. LA is going through fires. I mean, what this city in LA is going through is remarkable that they could put it together. It was great. Well, what about the defense? What about it? There were three defensive touchdowns. The Rams created five.

turnovers from Kansas City's offense. Both quarterbacks took an absolute beating last night. I mean, there were some shots on those quarterbacks. That was four hours of fun. That was four hours of champagne. Yeah, some spilled on the carpet. Yeah, one of the cousins got a little too drunk. Yeah, I'm going to be honest with you, somebody may have stolen some silverware. It was not perfect, but that game was not built to be perfect. It was built to be fun, and it was, and it's remarkable. And Kansas City's owners and their GMs, and their front office and their coaches, tip of the cap.

And for the Rams, tip of the cap. First ever game, both teams over 50. Third most points in an NFL game. How many total yards? 14 combined touchdowns. I loved it. Let me say this, though.

I've watched the Kansas City Chiefs twice this year. Go to New England and lose. And go to the Rams and lose. And in both instances, My takeaway is, I think Kansas City is better than New England and the Rams. This morning, I think Kansas City is the better team. Let me ask you, if the Rams had played in Kansas City and had five turnovers, you think the Chiefs only win by three?

Listen, Kansas City to only lose like they did. Think about this. They weren't dialed in. I mean, you could tell from all the travel. The first eight minutes of the game, they had a bad first quarter. It happens. They got a young team, young quarterback. They were bad for about eight minutes.

They were on the road, and not on the road destination they were supposed to be in. They had five turnovers, two defensive touchdowns. They dropped the game-winning interception, and I'm sitting there watching it, and I'm like, they're in this game with a chance to win. I think of you to ask the Rams to move, play it, Kansas City, had all those turnovers, had a bad first quarter. I don't think the Rams would have been around at the end. I mean, it, it, listen, man, Kansas City had the ball twice.

All they were away was a field goal. Considering all the moves, all the turnovers, awful first quarter, dropped the game-winning pick, and Kansas City standing around at the end, I think Kansas City's a better team. And I felt that way after the New England game. I'm like, yeah, I get why New England won. it's Foxborough, it's Brady, he's been there before. I get why New England won.

But I feel like Kansas City and the playoffs could go to New England and win. I feel there's no chance for New England to go to Kansas City and win. In fact, my takeaway last night was I can see several teams in the NFC coming to Los Angeles like a New Orleans Saints and winning. I can see it. I can see that happening. They get that running game going. I can't see anybody in the AFC.

Pittsburgh would have a shot, but they make so many mistakes. It's hard to go on the road, throw three picks, and win. You think Texans going to go on the road and win in Kansas City? Uh-uh. New England? Uh-uh. Indianapolis, if they get in? Uh-uh.

Baltimore, they get in? Uh-uh. Chargers, uh-uh. I mean, it's, you know, it's funny because we think of the Rams' offense as home run hitting, but their defense is. his home run hitting. I mean, Aaron Donald, Marcus Peters, it's interceptions, it's sacks, it's forced turnovers, it's big hits. But when I watch the Rams play, man, do they swing and miss a lot on defense? A lot. It's like the Chiefs touchdowns, there are people

wide open. I mean, this is classic Rams defense. The Chiefs down 10, play action fake, bootleg throwback attempt. Throwing long. Terry kills wide open at the 12. At the 12. 15, 10, fire. Nobody is within the boundaries of California. And now a flag is thrown as the touchdown is completed. The Chiefs go 73 yards in one play. That's a lot of RAM stuff. It's a lot of big plays. It's a lot of home runs.

But man, on defense, they swing and miss all the time. I feel this morning, Chiefs of the better team. Yeah, it's, I will say this about Mahomes. And Joy and I talked about this earlier. He is very much FARV. And I do think, Chris Carter once told me this. When you have a gift, it's biblical. You look at Westbrook.

You look at Cam. You look at Mahomes. You look at Fav. When you're that gifted, it's hard to be as precise. Drew Breeze is undersized. It doesn't have a cannon arm. He's precise. Tom Brady.

Not a great athlete. Not great size. Not a huge arm. He's precise. Westbrook and Cam and Mahom. And when you're that gifted, it's just reality is you rely on your arm to get you out of places. John Elway, Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw threw a lot of picks. Why?

Because they had a classic arm. Brett Farb talks about it all the time. Sometimes he'd say, I just knew I could squeeze it in there. Alex Smith never tried to squeeze it in there. So with Mahomes, it's the burden of talent. When you're as athletic as Westbrook, you don't develop a great. great jumper. You know, you know, when you're, when you're, you look at the great shooters in NBA history, Steve Kerr. They were not guys elevating over the rim. Reggie Miller was a great shooter. Wasn't a world class athlete. People think his daughter, his sister, Cheryl was the way better athlete.

So I do watch Mahomes and think he's going to be far. You're going to fall in love with him. It's going to drive you crazy. Going to have him on your fantasy teams. Going to win multiple MVP's probably win a Super Bowl. but you're going to throw your drink at the TV in Kansas City 20 times over the next decade because he'll drive you crazy. Ty Law, three rings, former Patriot, joining us in studio next. Joy Taylor and my guest are both from Pittsburgh. He went to Michigan. Thai law, 15 years in the NFL, won three Super Bowls,

was a five-time pro bowler, by the way, eligible for the Hall of Fame class. their first cutdown will be released today at 8 Eastern. Tile Lott's good seeing you. So you grow up a Steeler fan, right? Absolutely not. You didn't? No, I grew up a Dallas Cowboy fan. Tony Dorset's family.

Oh, you knew them. So, yeah, absolutely. So that's my uncle right there. So I was a cowboy fan. My mother actually did that as well. Yeah. It's pretty remarkable. She was what's that?

She was a Cowboys fan. She still is. Yes. Why is that? I mean, it's Pittsburgh. You can't be it. You have to be a seal. fan. Right. Well, I will say this. When I was playing a lot of my friends, family, they wanted me to do well, but they were such diehard Steelers fans that they wanted the Steelers to win the game. We want you to get five interceptions, but we want the Steelers to win. You had some success against the Steelers. Let me talk about, let me talk about first of all, the Rams Chiefs. I imagine as a defensive player, you didn't love it last night. No, I didn't love it. I mean, because of how the rules,

rules are today. You know, it was certain plays in the game that can determine the outcome of game. And I don't think that it should happen like that. Like, for instance, on a Tyreek Hill, you know, catch was a great catch by the way. But I try to envision myself playing at the time. And there's no way in hell that that would have happened because I would have dislodge him from the ball immediately. He would have been taken out. But that's how I grew up playing the game. You were very physical playing. Exactly. So, you know, I probably wouldn't receive a check. So, you know, I wouldn't get no check at the end of the week because the way to all the rules are they put in right now. But I don't like

the way the games are being called. You know, I think I can say that I can't get fine, you know, about the referees, but it's absolutely ridiculous. But I think they're trying to abide by the rules, but I think it's taken away from the game and watering it down. I mean, Aaron Donald still makes plays. Best in the game by far. Like, I got to say that.

It's best in the game, best defensive player by far. Yeah, it's, you know, he gets doubled, leads the NFL in sacks from an interior defensive linemen. That's just him. That's like Reggie White and him. You can't do that. Exactly. I mean, so, you know, he money well deserved well spent and he backed the brink's truck into the facility and they loaded it up and he's proven everything yeah NFL guys defensive guys tight still make money right um there is value

especially in a great pass rusher but there there is a physical component you know when you watch uh like mahomes last night he looks to me like farv right you can goad him into some pecks like golf is a pretty disciplined guy if i said you had to face goffs offer Mahomes, which would you rather face? To be honest with you, I would rather face Gaugh. Because Patrick Mahomes has an ability to beat

you at any given play. And with the weapons that he has out there on the outside, when Sammy Watkins, he gets healthy. You're talking about Tyreek Hill, who is scary in itself at any play that he can go ahead and give it to you. I'm like, and he can use

his legs if he has to. Patrick. I would rather play against somebody that was more calculated that you can study that that you can just pick up on you can't pick up on the same things as Patrick Mahomes because he has to do so many different things he can also he'll give you opportunities

Goff can beat you Mahomes can humiliate you like golf can beat you on a just a precise throw exactly he's more in the Tom Brady you know type of things you know what I mean he has Brett Farv I said that earlier in the green room that he reminds me

of Brett Farv I mean you got to let a gunslinger be a gun slinger, just like in basketball, you've got to let a shooter be a shooter. He's going to have off nights, but a shooter is going to keep on shooting, and you've got to let this kid play because he's playing naturally. If you try to change what he is, I think you're going to hurt him. By the way, do you face Fav? Yes. How'd you do? Brett didn't throw at me. Oh, no. So, I mean, I played him in the Super Bowl as a young guy, so Brett Farr, he came to me before pregame. I was talking to Antonio Freeman at the time, you know, we were just chopping it up before the game. you know, warming up.

He said, you know, you ain't going to get no burn tonight. I'm like, and I'm in a second year. It was 96, so basically I'm still young. So I'm thinking they're about to try to fire me up. And then Brett came out to warm up. He said, you ain't going to get no action tonight. So I was on high alert all game. Because I'm figuring that this guy is about to come down.

Yeah, yeah, he's going to try to get me. But he was right. He didn't mess with me at all. Let me shift to the Steelers. My Super Bowl pick. And you're from Pittsburgh, and Joy is from Pittsburgh. and I watch her emotionally go through these games. There's a Whitney Houston, the late Great Whitney Houston, feel to the Steelers,

is that Whitney's personal life may have been a little off sometimes, but she'd step on stage and you were like, oh, good Lord, that's the greatest thing I've ever seen. Like, Pittsburgh is in a constant roller coaster of emotion. And Tomlin drives me nuts, but I know he's a good coach. William Bell was chattering. Antonio Brown wants the ball. And I just watched them against Jacksonville,

and I'm like, who trails by two, who trials by 10 with two minutes to go and wins the game in regulation? When you look at Pittsburgh and Big Ben, what do you see? I see a Stilater team that's trying to find themselves, even though they know who they are. We know about history of the Pittsburgh Steelers,

but the whole Lavian Bell situation, it's always something with that team. They have a lot of characters there, you know, Ben Rothersberger and, you know, from whether he's going to play, he's not going to play in years past, as far as his retirement, Antonio Brown, of course, you know, he got the big payday, so he wants the ball.

You got Juju Smith-Schuster, who's a number one receiver in his own right, and he wants the ball. So it's a lot of talent there, but they just have to bring it all together, and you never know what could happen with those guys. But I think, you know, they have great leadership in Mike Tomlin. And, you know, I like what they're doing going into the playoffs. They just can't be the Patriots. Yeah, they struggle with that. By the way, McCarthy and Rogers are having their issues.

It was never an ideal fit. I always thought Belichick and Brady were actually perfect. They're both smart. They're both driven. You know, Bill got burned by the Browns. Brady dropped in the draft. He's got a chip. And they had this sort of equal passion.

They were equally, I think Sean Payton and Breeze are equally, they're a fit. I never thought McCarthy old school. It looks like a Milwaukee cop. and cool, you know, kind of cool, aloof Aaron Rogers. I never thought they fit. They made it work for years. But when I look at McCarthy and Rogers, to me it's like, hey, good run. It's over.

And I'm okay with it. I am too. I think they had a good run, but sometimes change is good. But they've been together for so long. They're used to each other. I hear a lot of chatter about Belichick and Brady on the same page. If you take two alpha males and you're, pretty much getting all alpha males in this sport.

You know, one is the quarterback who's leading the team, the other one is the head coach. You're going to bump heads at times. You're not always going to agree on the same thing. So I think when it comes to McCarthy and Eric Rogers, nature might have ran his course. You know, because you have to think about some of the weapons that he had at his disposal who are no longer there.

You can't ask Aaron Rogers, whether Aaron Rogers, Tom, Brady, or any other of the great quarterbacks out there. you take away Jerry Rice from Steve Young, Joe Montana. I mean, it's going to hurt their production, plain and simple. So you've got to give Aaron Rogers something to work with because even though Tom Brady is the goat, by far, the best quarterback who's ever played the game. In today's game right now, Ann Rogers is the best talent.

Best talent pound-for-pound quarterback. You know, it's funny. I'm watching a tie law 15 years in the NFL, three rings, five-time Pro Boulder. I'm watching Lamar Jackson Sunday and there's a little Michael Vic there's a little early Steve Young where Steve, people forget this, early Steve Young would rather run than throw.

Later Steve Young figured out the pocket. Did you, I mean, do you face Michael Vick at all? Yes. Actually, I faced him when he was still somewhat under the radar when he got his the most plan time that he got at the time because Chandler was still. Chris Chandler. Chris Chandler was still the quarterback.

He came in at our game at halftime, and he wore us out. I mean, we were just so far ahead. But if Michael Vic would have played the whole game, the way we were feeling, he had us running around like crazy. We was like, I mean, it was nothing that we've ever seen before. So when you watch Lamar Jackson, and I mean, listen, he makes linebackers look dumb. I mean, he's just too fast. We know he can't run 27 times a game.

That's ridiculous. But it is. But some of this is. hard to defend, right? It's very hard to defend. I mean, once he gets more comfortable with standing in the pocket, reading the defenses,

and actually throwing the ball, he can be very dangerous because we haven't seen a quarterback that can run like this since Michael Vic. You know, you got running quarterbacks, you got Cam Newton who can do what he do what he can out there. He's very good at it, Russell Wilson, but they are not the type of runners

and athletes that Lamar Jackson is. Was Michael faster than you? Straight lines speed? Michael Vick? Probably. I mean, I wouldn't doubt it at all. I mean, never got into a foot race, but if you asked me that while he was standing here next to me, oh, hell no, I'm winning that. Yeah. Yeah, it's competition. Yeah. No, but when I watch Lamar, you can't run 27 times, but some of that stuff is just, you just, it works. It's hard to defend. You can't do much. Finally, MVP stuff. My homes, luck, breeze, Big Ben. If you picked an MVP, A lot of guys don't care.

I've never been a big awards person. But is there somebody... Now, the word is most valuable players. It's not a stat award. Right. Even though everybody thinks it's a stat award. Who's the most... My order would be Bree's luck.

Who's doing it with a lot of smoking mirrors? Ben and Mahomes. Who would you give MVP to? Right now, I would have to say, Drew Breeze. I mean, everyone's talking about, you know, Tom Brady at his advanced age. he's not too far behind.

I mean, he's having one of the best seasons of his career. I mean, his completion percentage is, what, about 76%. Yeah, DeBreeze's completion percentage is, I think, 76%. Yes, I'm saying. 70% completion rate, you know, at this point in his career is incredible. He's working with new young receivers. Backs. And his backs are incredible.

He's spreading the ball around. And it's not like he's just dinking and dunking to get that percentage. He's throwing the ball downfield. He's making stuff happen. So right now, he has to be the frontrunner, but the one name that you didn't have up there was Aaron Donald. I know he's a defensive player, and we're always getting the short end of the stick.

Yeah. But you have to put him in the MVP conversation. You have to put him in there. I think so. He leads the NFL and hits and sacks. I mean, this is all I can say. If Aaron Donald doesn't play last night, Chiefs win, that's valuable. Absolutely.

And that is value. So I think we tend to overlook the defensive players because defense at the end of the day wins championships. We all know that. We can talk about regular season, quarterbacks, running backs putting up all these fantastic numbers. But at the end of the day, when it's time to hold up that Lombardy trophy, it's going to be about the defense. It usually is. Think about this. Think about teams that will host playoff games, Joy, in January.

Pittsburgh outside, Kansas City outside. Chicago outside, New England outside, Baltimore is still in it outside. So as much as we fall in love with all this stuff is, you know, New Orleans, inside, Rams, 74 degrees, but most, to your point, most of the playoff games in the NFL will be in 13 degrees. Exactly. And that's when the defense is really going to be, it's going to make the difference, you know, because you're not going to be able to drop. You drops, you're going to be sliding. sliding around the ball is going to be hard.

You know, guys out there are going to be cold that are not used to it like that. So this is, playoffs is a time when the defensive guys get to shine, you know. So I really appreciated that being the defensive player. Good seeing you, bud. Thank you for having me. Ty Law. Joy Tadler with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Amazing game last night over 1,000 yards of total offense and 105 points scored. And despite for throwing for 417. yards and five touchdowns. Patrick Mahomes was also responsible for five turnovers, the last of which obviously sealed the game for the Rams. Here he is on those turnovers after the game. The turnovers just changed the game. I think I gave them 21 points pretty much through turnovers and just kind of like I said to the New England game. You can't

give good teams points turn the ball over. It sucks right now. I mean, it's planning simple. I mean, you wanted to win that game going into the by week against a good team like that, a playoff team. and at the same time, we still control our own destiny. If we can go out there and win football games after the bi-week, it's kind of like that reset, get your body right, and come back with that mentality that we're going to win, and you can still get home field advantage, hopefully. The only thing that concerns me about these turnovers

is that they are against two really good teams, and especially last night, it kind of felt like he just panicked and threw it up there. The one flat-footed throw was bad. It just didn't really make a lot. a lot of sense. And in that moment, I'm sure they go over this. You know, you just have to give yourself a chance. You know, like,

you have time on the clock and not a lot of time, but all you need is a field goal. And I get it, he's young, I don't know, I just, this is what worries me in the playoffs with the Chiefs, because you know they're going to put up an insane amount of points. But if you get up against another team

that can put up that same amount of points like you saw last night, what does it come down to in the final moments? is who doesn't make the mistake. Yeah. Playoff football really becomes situational football, and he made a couple of really bad situational plays. He did.

Well, I mean, hopefully it goes to them, and I'm sure they're going to talk about it this week. But either way, amazing game by both quarterbacks. So Forbes recently valued the Cowboys at $5 billion, which is $1 million greater than any other franchise in the NFL. The Panthers sold for $2.3 billion. So that should show you the difference right there. If the Panthers sold for $2.

three, the Cowboys are worth three to four times that. Right. So Jerry Jones sat down with Bloomberg and he was asked how much he'd sell the Cowboys for, how much he'd accept for the Cowboys. And he said, if I had to sell a team tomorrow, I wouldn't accept anything less than $10 billion. But I don't want to imply that I would take $10 billion for them. The Cowboys are just not for sale. They're a long-term asset in my immediate family and own the Cowboys long after I'm gone. there's just there's not a number you can put really on what the Dallas Cowboys are worth to Jerry Jones or the Jones family. I mean, 10 billion is obviously an incredible amount of money. You know what?

I don't even think it is. When people say the Dallas Cowboys are worth 10 billion, I'm like, do you know how many companies in this country are worth like? I mean, you'll see these companies. So the UFC sold for like $4 billion. It was 12 years old. you don't think the Cowboys The Dallas, first of all, the NFL is way bigger than UFC And the Cowboys give you basically guaranteed

16 minimum dates a year of massive exposure If the UFC's selling for four And I'm not saying it's not worth four But if they're worth four, what are the Dallas Cowboys worth? Yeah, probably about $10 billion In actual, like what someone should pay for them based off of what they're going to make back from them but what you're not accounting for is there's only one Dallas Cowboys franchise.

It's not even just like I want to buy an NFL franchise. You're buying the NFL franchise. Like it's the Dallas Cowboys. It's not going anywhere. It's a fun question, you know, to see like what would move the needle. But he's not selling the Cowboys. Forget that. All right.

So the past two weeks have been frustrating for the Warriors. They lost Steph Curry to injury. And then obviously the altercation between Kevin Drain and Draymond Green. And they've lost three straight games. And at some point during the second loss in Dallas, KD apparently had enough with a Mavs fan that was seated courtside and did this. Bad. According to TMZ sports, the fan was yelling insults at KD throughout the whole game.

It was throwing the cupcake insult out there at him. And then, you know, the person that talked to TMZ also said that it was warranted KD's reaction that he did ask the referees to remove the fans or to handle it. but I don't know that you can ask people who pay to sit court side or really anywhere in the arena that's to be thrown out for heckling. It's kind of part of sports.

Obviously, he said something inappropriate or, you know, the racial slurs or something like that. By the way, why is heckling allowed? Like, when I sit and my seats cost $375 bucks, why do I want some idiot screaming? I don't even like heckling. No, I hate heckling, but that's part of what's happening. Like if that's a Mavs fan, he's not rooting for the warriors.

I get not rooting. There's a big gap. There's a big gap, not rooting and heckling. It's sports. Like with a comedy show or something, like, get them out of here. I didn't come to hear, I came to hear the comedian. I agree with that. I didn't come to hear you.

But I agree at the game. Same thing. If I'm paying 600 and I got a loud mouth for three hours, like I'm with you. I went and saw Seinfeld once. And there was that in Portland. There's some idiot three seats from him. I'm like, a loser. There's a reason one of us is a superstar.

It's him, not you. Shut out. No, it's the absolute. It is the worst at a comedy show. And it's why they usually get asked to be removed. It's like, I don't remember seeing your name on the marquee. I didn't pay to hear your remarks. There's an idea by fans, I paid the money.

That doesn't give you a right to ruin my experience. I don't think that these fans care either way. I don't know how you get rid of that. I just think as long as they're not saying anything inappropriate, it's kind of something you have to live with. But either way, this is just not a good look. How about a new rule? No heckling.

Now, people will say, well, what's heckling? Well, I own the team. I own the arena. I'll make the call on it. You can be it. You can yell and go, you're no good. Hey, Kevin, your cupcakes, you're terrible. If you do it for 40 minutes, you're out.

I mean, it's like people say it's like the Supreme Court. I don't know what pornography is, but I know it when I see it, but I can't define what it is, but I know it when I see it. Like with heckling. I can't write down what it is, but I know it when I hear it. hear it and just don't allow heckling. I mean, I'm with you. I didn't come to hear somebody yell.

What's the worst thing you've ever yelled at a game? I mean, I don't know. I was pretty vocal at the Jets Steelers game. Like what? The year that Jason was with the Jets. But it wasn't heckling. It was just like I was only rooting. Like I don't heckle.

Like every time I was just like over the top every time the Jets would do something good. And that was irritating enough. But I'm not. Like even Carmelo who I am not a fan. of if I was going to be a smart aleck it would be like a one sentence hey um may want to be in shape for this sport oh boom gotcha but I wouldn't heckle you would see you would not say that that is ridiculous you would not say that I'm trying to think what I'd say to Westbrook

I don't think you would say anything at Westbrook no you would not I don't believe that hey Russell nobody wants to play with you she said And I didn't say it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I like Westbrook, so. All right, Joy of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. I wonder if I would say, just to be a goofball with Westbrook. Because I know Westbrook would see me. If I went to the O.K.C. Laker game, I would get good seats. I would get my really good seats, so he'd see me. You think that he would have something to say the way that LeBron did? I think he would, I've been to enough NBA games. Players know who I am.

the guys that I bang on, they'll look at me and kind of roll their eyes like, what a jerk. And then I've had guys talk to me during the game. LeBron did the other night. I've had a couple Clipper guys. How do you think KD would receive you? I like KD. I'm for KD. I just think he needs a therapist, but I like him.

I'm not anti-KD. He's a second best player in the game. But KD thinks it's your anti-KD. KD thinks everybody's against him. But I like KD. Aaron Rogers? Oh, he hates me. I know that.

But again, if I saw Aaron. and Rogers. I mean, hey, how you doing? I've talked to him before once briefly at the ESPies. I don't know. Westbrook, though, I think I would taunt. You would not. I think I would. Have you seen Westbrook in person? What about him? I believe he could probably pop your arms off. I'm six one and a half, 180 of steel. He's not going to mess with me. I'm an idiot. Okay. Coming up, why the real losing quarterback last night wasn't Patrick Mahomes. That's best for last.

The Las Vegas invitational tips off Thanksgiving Day on FS1. Conference powerhouses collide as number seven North Carolina battles Texas. The number 17 UCLA takes on number 11 Michigan State. The Las Vegas invitational on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Carolina is supposed to be pretty good this year. Patrick Mahomes and Jared Goff, Joy, were obviously amazing last night. If you look at Jared Goff and his four biggest biggest. primetime, you know, his big TV games this year. Vikings, Packers, Saints, Chiefs. He's

3-1, 15 TDs, one pick, passer rating at 128. He's been just, you know, unbelievable, 66% completion percentage. And I think what happens last night, you watch a golf in Mahomes, and it makes other teams really look themselves and their young quarterbacks in the mirror. And with that, let's do a special quarterback's edition of buy, sell, and hold. Time to Colin will decide if he'll buy sell or hold All right

quarterback edition go ahead John Marcus Marriota So Marcus Marriota came out of Oregon He's big enough He moves well He's fairly accurate But in 2018 With everybody that's got

any help in the backfield Any good receivers They're setting records He's averaging fewer passing yards a game than Josh Rosen and Brock Osweiler and oh yeah he's hurt again how many times you know he's brittle he's thin he's not durable I know everybody likes the kid but when I look at golf and I look at Mahomes he's on now his second or third offensive coordinator John sell sell I'd sell Marcus Marioita he doesn't stack up Derek Carr it's easy to pick on Derek Carr he and John

or battling. But again, if you look, they let Amari Cooper go, right? And Jared Cook's an old tight end. The O line is not in a rebuild, but it's not great. He has career highs in the things I care about. Yards per attempt, completion percentage, passing yards per game. So I know the optics aren't good, but John, bye, bye, bye, Derek Cardamie, I'm not trading him. He's a future franchise quarterback right now. How about James Winston? Listen, I think I agree with Joy on this. There's a certain level of judgment and maturity I just need from this position.

But if you look at his judgment off the field, we know it's not great. He makes egregiously bad decisions throwing the football. The highest pass interception percentages in the last three years in the NFL, like he's up there with Jay Cutler and Ryan Fitzpatrick. So minimum 1,000 pass attempts. So to me, it's really easy. Sell, sell. I'm done with James Winston.

His decision-making on-field off, it's just, especially in that division. Matt Ryan, Cam Breeze, and James, it's just not good enough. Just won his starting job back, too. Good luck. Your guy, Mitchell Trebisky. Oh, boy, listen. Matt Nagy's amazing. I mean, Chicago's offense is Smoke Mears, David Copperfield meets, you know, Chris Angel.

I mean, it's ridiculous. But they have beaten Seattle, Arizona, Tampa, the Jets, Buffalo, Detroit, and Minnesota with Kirk Cousins. To me, it's a lot of smoking mirrors. I think he's got an average arm. I think he's really athletic and he's super confident. But John, I think it's a hold. I'm still not sure this is your guy for the next 10 years. I'd still, every other year, I'd still draft a young quarterback in Chicago.

How about Kirk Cousins? active quarterbacks with the lowest win percentage in prime time, minimum eight games. Kirk Cousins and Andy Dalton and Ryan Fitzpatrick. John, this is a really easy one. Sell, sell, sell. You got to win these big TV games. Occasionally, he shrinks. Well, you just mentioned, how about your guy, Andy Dalton?

Okay, Andy Dalton is Kirk Cousin. Do I even have to wait for this answer? John, the answer is sell, sells. It's the same guy. One plays in the AFC. One plays in the NFC. You can't shrink in these big TV games. And that's what they do.

Okay, I got a tough one for you. Matthew Stafford. Can I ask you a question? How long has he been starting in the league? Nine years? Sounds about right. Yeah. What does signature play?

I'm not saying he's had the best ownership. I'm not saying he's had the best coaching. I'm not saying he's had the best players. What's his Now, here's the thing. As much as I beat up on Matt Stafford, most game winning drives in the last three years, he leads the NFL.

He has more than... Apparently none of them are on TV, though. I know. But he's pretty good late in games. So, John... I got a hold on this. He's just too much of an armed talent. He's been too good in too many late game situations.

But, man, you got to beat some good teams here in tight spots. Last one, Dack Prescott. Okay. Everybody loves Dack today. Everybody's feeling good about DECPrescott today. Now think about offensive line. Way better than average. Left tackle.

Best in the game. Running back. Best in the game. Now he's got a star receipt. Now he's got a slot receipt. He's got a defense that gets in the ball back in good field position. His coach is offensive. And he's 22nd in completion percentage.

28 in yards pressing, 24th in touchdown passes, and 22nd in passer rating. Come on, you can't have that back, that left tackle, that slot receiver, veteran offensive coach, that defense to get you the ball. And by the way, it's a bad division. It's not even a good division this year. So, John. Sell, sell, sell. I'm a seller on that Prescott. I was right on that the whole time.

I really was. Can I just say this? Lakers, Bradley Beale, available. Think about it. Just think about it. Tomorrow, Joel Klat stops by. Huge college weekend. Thanksgiving NFL is too.

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