The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - 2026 NFL Draft CB Brandon Cisse: “I’m trying to be the BEST corner in the League”

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

On the Richard Sherman Podcast, Sherman interviews rising 2026 NFL Draft prospect, cornerback Brandon Cisse. The former NC State standout explains his transfer to South Carolina, his SEC rise, and what sets him apart—athleticism, versatility, and football IQ. Cisse discusses his underdog mentality, learning cornerback after starting as a receiver, and his physical “dog” mindset in coverage and running. He shares film habits, risk-taking, and what it takes to succeed at the next level in the corner. Sherman offers insights on developing into an All-Pro, the importance of habits and mindset, and how to dominate in the NFL. The conversation is rich with tips for players and fans. All lines are provided by Hard Rock Bet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we have an incredible guest, Brandon Cise, a Sumter, South Carolina native, who played at Lakewood High School and spent two seasons. at NC State before coming to South Carolina, where he posted 27 tackles, five past breakups, and interception in 2025. You're one of the fastest rising names in this draft class, a guy who's built a real name for himself through hard work, production, and toughness.

So we've got to get into your journey, your game, and what's next for you? No doubt. I appreciate you having you on. Yeah, no problem. It's my pleasure. I want to talk ball. I want to talk personal.

I want to talk everything. everything you want to talk about. But at at what point during your career, you know, I mean, you went from NC State to South Carolina, which is something we got to talk about in the first place, because that seems like, you know, a little crazy, but I went from the Seahawks to the nine or so, you know what I mean?

You know, I know a thing or two about that. But at one point did you know that you had the potential to be an NFL corner? I would say probably sophomore year. Sophomaree. That's when it clicked for me. At what moment? Was it a game? Was it a practice?

Was it just a moment in time, a month? I would say probably just the first month of the season. It just felt super easy. It just felt like I was just playing out of faster pace than everybody else knew it was coming, so anticipate it. What do you think is the, I guess, the best part of your game, is it your press? Is it your man-to-man?

It's your instincts? your ball skills. What is it that set you apart? I think it's the athleticism combined with the versatility and the IQ. I think that's the three things I would say separate me. Because you can move me around. You can play the inside outside, but I can tell you

where everybody's doing it all time. So it makes it easy. You gotta be careful. They'll throw you at safety. You know, too, you know. They will in a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. And you know, they got Nick playing everywhere

in the league. They said, South Carolina. Dr. Lana. Freakish. Yep, let's go ahead and put him in a mirror well. Go ahead, put him somewhere. And he's smart? Be careful.

Be careful. Who taught you to play corner? Oh, snap, man. My high school coach, honestly, ninth grade, he just threw me at corner because I was a receiver before that. Like, even in high school, I was just a big time receiver. Like, I didn't really think I was going to be a corner in college. Then when I got at U.S.E. State, I just threw me in a corner room.

So it's just really a high school, ninth grade. So what was that conversation? You were like, you was like, okay, so receiver or a quarter? And it was like quarter. You was like, so not receiver? So my mom, I went to the camp and I just performed that corner, but like all my highlights were receiver highlights. And maybe they're going to let them play receiver. No, I got that corner.

No both ways here. You're playing corner. Damn. You didn't even ask? Didn't even ask when I got there, man. Thumbed you right in that corner of my ass no question. That's tough. That's tough.

But you, hey, for a corner, one thing I respect about you, you throw your nose in there. You getting involved in a run game. What goes into that mindset? Because obviously, you know, some people are taught at corner, hey, that's not my job. But for you, for me, hey, we getting involved. Exactly. I think it's just a mentality thing. It's like a dog mindset.

You know, I play on the edge on me, you know, something like I was under-recruited and stuff like that. So it's just like, hey, and I feel like it's a tone-setter. it's a tone set or when you see the corners tackling a lot of teams they don't like corners to tackle they want to put them into fit so I feel like if you put me in the fit I'm make you show you like hey that's the kind of mindset I got just that kind of person so and then I like be I don't want to be known as a covered corner like I'm a complete guy so that's how I like I love it I love it what so let's get into what went into the decision to transfer from NC State to South Carolina so the defense of coordinator Tony Gibson he was like

like he was going to take the marshal head coaching job so he took the martial head coaching job and took the whole support staff like the gAs and everybody with them so it was like dang they full-time coaches now me being me i couldn't go down the level and go to marshal with him like that just went yeah he do that and he do that so it was kind of like okay like i sat down thought about it i was like man like what's the difference between playing for a whole new defensive staff if i'm going to have a whole new defensive staff anyway and why not do it in the best conference in America, which I believe was SEC. So, um, then Coach Clayson,

right, he called me. He was like, hey, man, like, you want to come back home? And I was like, ah, y'all ain't recruit me out of high school, but then I came. You over there bluffing. They're over there bluffing, knowing I wanted to come back. You said, yeah, coach, nah, we, we good. So, so, so, so, so, where did you say my apartment would be again? You said, right by the house?

Okay, yeah, I mean, no, I'm going to, I'm going, you know, going to California. So, Gilly is one of your mentors. Another South Carolina great, former defensive player of the year, a good friend of mine. Talk about your relationship with him and what he's done to help you and mentor you through your journey. Like my older brother, my best friend, you know, we talk every day just about everything. Like literally football, if you go through our threads, probably like 250, 300 videos and just us and stuff back and forth to each other. So we talk every day. Actually, just talked to him last night.

he'll be out here next week when the draft comes or two east he'll come see me but that's like my older brother and i was just with him in dallas so like we're really really close like super tight because we see the game the same way and it's kind of rare when you find somebody and sees it that way and um when you find somebody like that's huge so he's been a huge mentor for me yeah he's he's great and he's a great technician um you know he and i talk we don't have 300 videos between us but yeah we have a pretty good relationship uh and you know i i've helped him sometimes and talked him through some free agency stuff and just talk the game. But he has an incredible knack and natural, like, instincts for a corner.

Like, some people just built to play corner. And Gilly, one of those guys. He's like, Gilly, you can't teach that. You can't, you can't read it in the book. I can't go tell no kid what you were thinking on that play. Cover zero jumping outside. And taking it for six. And taking it for six.

I'm like, Gilly, you are out. here playing with the drop. He got something different about him. He do. He do. But what is your, like... Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

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No doubt. I'm kind of questioning your former receiver a little bit. No doubt. How do we get your hands on a football more in the national football league? Because I'll tell you this. I played corner for two years in college. I had six. And I'll tell you this, I really didn't learn to play corner until I got to leave.

because I was a receiver in college for my first two years, three years, then I redshirted, got an injury red shirt, and then played corner the last two years. I didn't really know how to pedal. I was just kind of out there floating, but I knew how to play receiver and recognize the concepts.

And so that, you know, get you a couple. I would say first it starts off with just, you know, having the ability, you know, all the athleticism and all those things. Sometimes it's got to take risk, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what's coming. You get in that four by one. You know that slant coming.

You know that slant coming. Just go jump it. You know what I'm saying? Like little things like that. Or if they're getting a points and three goes flat right now, then I know I'm expecting the spacing and things like that. So just understanding, like, hey, you can take risk at times. Using all my athletic ability, even in a one-on-one place,

because in this defense, that's our command. Like, we're going to play man to man. And that's just who we are. Like, we're going to play. Like, hey, you got to beat us over the top. And I feel like there's a few players I left out there where I dropped a few of them and I need to get my head back and probably steal some. But it's coming.

It's definitely. I'll tell you this about the league. I played for 11 years or so. I had 41, if you include the playoffs. Yeah. Of those 41, probably like 28 or 9 balls. Exactly. Like, if you're not beating me on a 9 ball.

Yeah, I'm 9 ball. And it's about positioning. It's about getting your head around. It's about trusting. And it's also about understanding, you know, where you are on the field, the position that people are in. And then the tempo or the receiver. You know what I mean.

When you line up and they get a little bit, you can feel it. You look at them in their eye. They fix the gloves. You can feel it. You can feel it. But what I would tell you to work on mentally is in practice, pick it all. Like, there's never a wasted rep. There's never a time where picking the ball isn't the best play.

Like, if you're going through a drill, you're knocking it down, you wasted the drill. You can get to, get to. Like, you have to train yourself to pick the ball off so that when you, not, you know, I'm not trying to preach to you, but when you get in those positions consistently, your body naturally says, oh, pick the ball off. And then when you say, oh, it's too far to pick it off, you, you bet it. Exactly. That's my two cents.

I believe it. That's true. That's something I'm going to take with me, for sure. Yeah, I want you to lead the league in picks your rookie year. That's the plan. I'm going to be sitting there like, yeah. So outside of Gilly, who are some other guys that you watched and tried to pattern your game after?

Obviously, I think, you know, another Sacramento guy, JC, I think all the ability. Then I watch Gonzo, obviously, certain, because I feel like he's the best in the game right now, just from a technician standpoint. And you don't find many like that. And obviously, I like watching Devere Wetherspoon because the way he throws his body around. and the versatility and then the McDuffies, you know what I'm saying, how smart they are and how Spags do you see him and how he fit in that scheme was just special to me

and just see how they utilize this. That's probably main guys I'm watching right now. You got to be careful because McDuffie is in a different place and Spags is looking for a corner. You might find your way to Finn City before you put out of our last. Boy, they ain't got no corners right now. They watch both McTerrists go to the Rams. So they are looking and you would be a perfect fit

for what they do really well. So that's a great. I like that. But how far do you and Nick go back? You talked about before we got on the show about coming to Seattle to watch him in an NFC championship game. Obviously, he's the South Carolina guy that you didn't necessarily get to play with. But you guys go back to seven-on-sevins?

Yeah, I've been high school. So high school, we both had no offers. You talk about like two players who were super freakish. We had no offers. Like, we were super under-recruited. So we kind of just kind of clicked instantly. Like, well, when we got out there, it's kind of like gamers. respect game, you know.

And after that point, it was like, hey, we didn't care who got what offers or if it's just a really good brotherhood. And I actually just text him yesterday too, so he's good to talk to all the time. That's my dude. Yeah, yeah, he's a good dude. What's something about playing corner, the toughest part of playing corner that you think the casual fan just doesn't seem to understand? I would say it could be good 95% in the game, but you give one little play, you know,

that's the 5% that, you know, that's all the, that's all. all the media cares to see or that's what people who don't really understand the game cares to see. They don't understand like, hey, you gave up a non-ball in two-minute situation. That's what they're looking at. And I care about the whole game where you did have this guy catching ball on you. It's not about that. You know, it's about what you give up in this league.

That's the reality. It's a production game. It is a production business. And the league is no different than that. Like, you could be, if you play 60 snaps, you could be locked down for 58. Let you give up that slant on 3rd. third and five that leads to a first down and a field goal to win the game. You are getting blasted.

You are getting cooked, young brother. Yes. And that's another part of the game that I want to talk to you about is the social media and negativity, the vitro that's. How do you avoid that? Because playing corner, no matter what, I've had seasons where I led the league in interceptions, we're number one defense. We freaking roared to the Super Bowl, killed everything.

everybody and then steal people on your page like you suck like you suck like you're the worst corner in the league it's like clearly guys i got eight picks i ain't giving up no passes i'm the guy you know what i mean exactly but how do you kind of drown out the noise and stay focused uh for me i think you got to understand like hey you got to understand they don't understand coverages and what's being asked of you so they don't understand what's going through in this building that's the only thing that matters is what this people in the building are telling you and what matters. So I feel like all of that stuff is like anybody can go on Instagram,

carry an account, Twitter, and just spit out whatever you want to say. But, I mean, what is the point of it? You get what I'm saying? Like, really the point of it is because it's all they want is attention for you to see and they just hope you respond to it. So at that point, it's just noise. Like, hey, you don't understand the game. Like, hey, I do this for a living.

Like, this is what I do. So why would I care about when you make to the account and say some nonsense? Right. Right. Have you read some of the stuff that they're saying about you in the draft, like on NFL.com, they said, you know, they list your strengths, really explosive, great man-to-man coverage, really twitchy athlete, makes good plays on the ball, but they say things like below average and route recognition, break matching from all,

struggles to find playmaking position with the back to the ball, below average tackling and adjustments on 50-50 balls. What do you feel about that and how are you addressing things that they call your weakness? because I could read my draft profile. They said I was going to be a competent backup. I couldn't play the block. I couldn't tackle well in space. I didn't recognize routes.

And I was an average athlete that was high, high-waisted and couldn't keep up with NFL speed. I think for people like that who made those accounts and make all those little cut-ups and things like that, let's visit that in three, four years when I'm trying to break the market. So we'll see. We'll visit that. We'll visit that through.

That's a goal. let's visit that three and four years and see about all this. You can't match things and you don't got an IQ below average in all these areas. So we'll see. We'll see. I love that. You played outside corner your whole career. Do you think you have the versatility to play inside to play safety in some of these roles?

Like Nick, Nick went to Seattle as a safety, but they played him in a crazy, unique robber role that he played everything from linebacker to defense and. Yeah. But if a team ask you to do that, what would you say? Yeah, that's easy, super easy. You know, Coach White here, you know, he utilized me in that role up at times, too, and third down. And obviously, I can play it on base downs, too. Like, I know everybody's doing, so I know the rotations, and I know if I'm supposed to blitz. I understand how to put words together.

And, like, I'm just super smart in that kind of way. So that's not, that's super easy for me. It's not easy to do that. What, how much time do you spend preparing for games? Like if I ask you the mental side of the game and they're talking about route recognition and things like that, how much time do you spend identifying, you know, first and second down, third down, their concepts, the things that they do well and translating it onto the practice field and game field. Honestly, man, like, I'll be honestly lying to you if I told you the moment I get off the practice field, I'm probably up here in 10 minutes, you know, like just writing now stuff and just watching it, watching over and over. Like, when I go home, like, I'm literally a junkie at this stuff. this is what I do.

Like, I like getting on the board. I like drawing up schemes. I like studying all these DCs. Like, that's just who I am. So it don't never stop. And Coach White, you probably call Coach White. He'll tell you like,

hey, man, I don't know if there's a smarter quarter that I've had. You know, so it's true. I love that. I love that because that's the great separator in the National Football League. It's everybody's athletic.

Everybody's fast, explosive, can jump out of the gym, play multiple sports. But the guys that can separate themselves from the cream of the crop are the guys that can understand the schemes how they're being attacked,

how the schemes being attacked, what they're in. I say we're in cover four. Yeah. All right, they're three by one. I'm backside, backs, backs away. So clearly it's four strong, backside slant, but teams are smart.

They know their habits. You know, window dresser. You're going to motion away from it so you don't see it because you're pressed. You know, they're going to try to get it away from here. Nobody wants to give you a clue like, that's the best job you do at it. 100% and 100% in your job on 3rd and 5 or after an explosive run and understanding the

tendencies and understanding the percentages and then being able to translate that on game day in the moment in big games is what allows great corners to be Hall of Fame corners. Like, hey, we studied this all week. Now it's fourth quarter with two minutes to go. We ran this play three, four times in practice, but my shoulder hurts. I'm a little dazed right now. We run into the blitz that I know if he puts pressure on the quarterback. He's going to throw it hot to the flag.

Can I pick this ball off and win us the game? Exactly. Can I see the quick game and change it? And am I willing to put my foot in the ground and risk being wrong? And risk being wrong. No one I got a third. I trust in the drop. Or just trusting your prep.

Exactly. I've seen it all the week on tape. And I can explain it to my coach the next damn film. Hey, what are you doing on this play? Coach, remember that play you showed me all we can film this to play. This is the coverage you're in. This is what you told me to do. This is what I've done all week.

If they double moved me, they were better than us today. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel,

help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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Tick my ass on. What coverage do you prefer to play? Man or man. Love it. Love it. Love it. Teams play in the National Football League. No team outside of Cleveland.

Cleveland played the most. I think they were at 40%. Yeah. Next was the Broncos at 32 or 31 percent with Pat Zapan and the boys and Riley. So it's not a ton. Yeah. You're a really smart player. What other coverages do you like to play?

I think the match stuff, obviously the cover three matches and the match quarter things, like that all the fake zeros, Flores does have been the sold out for lack is green. So all the cover two inverse when everybody down up there mugging everything up. I mean, that's any coverage, really. There's so many weaknesses as shrinks to every. coverage. So, obviously, I like the fire zones and things like that, just in the one and being able to get an extra hatch here and there, but also understanding you got a little bit, the underneath help is a little bit gone now. So understanding what's coming. It just really

depends on who we plan, you know. Like, I love all the fake zeros. Probably be in the zero, so I like all that stuff. What team is showing the most interesting in you throughout this process? Man, I've honestly, everybody. Outside time up with everybody. All I want to single out one is everybody else. You know me about, oh, you didn't say anything about us, but no, everybody was pretty good. So it just been on the roll a lot. But everybody, I've talked really much everybody,

and I still taught a good bit of people every single day. So it's been really non-stop. Politically correct answer, you. Yeah. That's funny. But I like that. I like that. All right, let's go rapid fire.

I'm going to go rapid fire questions. You just give me quick answers. You ready? Yeah. Best receiver you faced. Kevin Concession. From Texas, CNN. Yeah.

What made him special? Just how smart he is, how deceptive. You know, he's really good versus off-mans and things like that. So they put you in a tricky situation where you utilize his stupidness and his IQ of things. And that's actually my former roommate. So, you know, he's super smart, you know. People don't, and they're really good person, too. That's the worst.

When you really know a person, you're like, I know all the tricks, but that's kind of tricking. me a little bit. Look exactly right. Hey, is it still the same? You know? Right. Best DB you studied growing up. I suppose.

That's, me and champ, just had a discussion about this. 100%. Best advice Gilly gave you. Just be yourself. Trust all the ability. You already did all the work. Just keep being you. Don't forget who you are when you get there.

Best trash talk you ever used on the field that you can say here. I don't think I could probably say it on here. but definitely swagger did definitely swagger for sure I love it one thing people don't know about you

that I like to go fishing okay okay what's your favorite kind of fish to catch right now I'm on the pond right now so vast right now but I would probably go catch me

a striper here soon on the lake so probably go give me some striper soon South Carolina boys one goal for you, your rookie year? Just go earn a job.

Go earn a job. That's where it starts. Go earn a job and make plays in a special team. It's just don't be one-dimission. In five years from now, what do you want people to say about you in the National Football League? I'm the best quarterback in the league, and then I got a chance to be an all-pro every year.

I think that's where it starts, and now I'm a winner. So that's what I want people to say about. I love it. I love it. You can control a lot of that, you know. preparation and attitude, approach, you know, practice habits. You got any questions for me? What do you think separates you?

When did you feel like you made that jump when you were in the national football league? I think my mentality and my understanding of the game separates me, my understanding of West Coast offenses and how concepts are married to each other, how double slants are slant flat, or which concepts are. deep over with a double dig or a big post behind it, things like that from playing receiver in college. Yeah. I think the first game I started against Cincinnati and A.J. Green, who was a top six pick in

my draft. Yeah. He's from Sacramento. Yeah. It was out of Carolina. Good player. And so we were matched up. This is my first game starting.

It was like six game in the season. And he's obviously top pick first round. I'm a fifth round. Nobody starting his first game because we had some injuries. And AJ is a super quiet guy in any normal state from what I understand after that. For some reason in that game, AJ was talking cash. I don't know why. I don't know why AJ was talking cash to me.

He was on one. He was on one. And it made me, it put me on one. Yeah, you had to show it up. Yeah. I had to show it. So I book AJ in that game. They throw up a fade.

I book AJ. I'm talking cash, AJ. You basically say, I didn't deserve to be out here. That's one book, boy, you ain't doing nothing. And so that moment kind of gave me reassurance that, oh, I could play in this league. And I could dominate. I'm a guy. I'm a guy in this league.

And I end up with four picks that year. The next year, I went in with a lot of confidence. Obviously, the starter coming in, made the all rookie team. And then second year, I had eight picks. first team all pro dominated the league that year I probably I think I gave up 40%

43% completion percentage or something on like 90 targets I think I gave up 30 something catches and then the next year I was all pro again had eight interceptions

led the league in picks 20 picks in my first three years and so I think it was my rookie year that that game really kind of reassured me

because I think sometimes everybody has doubt. Anybody who says they don't have a little bit of shred of doubt is going to lie. I'm going to be honest. No doubt. But that kind of reassured me that everything I was doing, the work I was putting in, the time I was putting in, the things I was telling myself, I was right. Exactly. It was worth it. It was worth it. It was 100% worth it. And I got to the league and they helped, they put me in my comfort zone. You know, in college, it was so much of like, hey, getting this low stance and do like this and pedal like this. And I'm like, bro, I don't pedal well.

You know what I mean? I like, y'all putting me in a heart position and I can't transition out of this. Like, you know what I mean? I'm not trying to lie to y'all. I'm just my body won't do it. So let me put my butt to the side line and I'm a receiver. I can see the game. I'll get to the spot before he gets. I don't random concepts myself. Yeah. I don't ran it myself. So let me just run them. And when they, Pete Carroll allowed me to do that. Chris, allowed me to do that. And when they did, my game just... Flursed.

Blossom. Yeah. That was it. It was great. Great times. That was a great question, by the way. No, now, I appreciate you. Because I, you know, I like watching all your old stuff, too, though.

It's all the bells and all those things, the press men. And obviously, you know, Coach White got all the cut up. So we won't stop seeing it. We won't stop seeing it. It's every year, like, the other day, I think somebody took, like, a 10-inch step. He was like, no, it's a six-inch step. right here. So sticks. And it's predetermined. It's predetermined. We don't even look at it. Don't even listen to the snap. It's predetermined off his bad leg movement. It's predetermined.

All for any movement. I don't listen. Y'all, y'all watching back leg? Watching. Watching the back leg. That's interesting. That's interesting because Revis used to, we had a good discussion about this too because people think, because you got some, you don't mean, because you're competitive. You don't ever talk about all or we do. He watched a knees. I was like, how are you watching the knees? I mean, the first flinch, though. You can't go to work about that. Right, but he's watching them through the concept. I said, to do what?

Different. Previously. Different. Totally different. I watch the bottom of the numbers. I watch the, if it's two numbers, right between them, if it's, if it's just one, I just watch the bottom of the number. Wherever that's that, that's where I'm at with it. That's space. But it's many ways to skin a chicken. Everybody does it differently. But as long as you can be patient and you can sit in there and you give yourself, how much distance do you have impressed?

I give it about one and a half. About one and a half. That's why I'm going to one and a half. Perfect. How long did it take you to get comfortable in one and a half? You take a little minute now because you've got to trust yourself in that thing. You got to trust it. You got to learn to sit in up.

You sit in there. Sit in there. Trust it. You gotta trust it. And don't let your feet be dead. Don't let it be dead. That's why you got that predetermined movement. That's why you are should be moving.

You could coach it, baby. Yeah, that's exactly where I said. I'm at one and a half. And in the league, these Z receivers, sometimes you end up at three. Exactly. You had three. These boys checking.

I'm like, wait. This boys next to the running back. Right. But hey, when he get it to the line, you still got to deal with me. You got to stay there. Right. That was, that's awesome, man. That's awesome. But again, with, with picks, it's habits. It's habits. I, I promise you, it's habits. It's walkthroughs when it won't walkthrough. Be the, be the dude people get mad at in walkthroughs. Exactly. Like, because that's your habit. Like, hey, this is how I practice. I practice like this. I practice like this, 100% at a time, I'm not letting you catch it in walkthroughs. I'm not letting you catch it in practice. I'm not letting you catch it in the game. Exactly.

And if you get upset with that, because I'm working on my craft, then something's wrong with you. You don't want the team to get better. You still want me to be best. That's reality. That's reality. And so when we in walkthrough and we're preparing for the game and this scout team in front of us, and I know, okay, bang, they gave me dig indicator.

Number two went away. One's running a dig. Bang, I break. I check my indicator one more time. bang, ball's coming, book. Bang, put it in. Tossed to the coach. Like, cool.

Practice, they're going to give you the same play. Exactly. Indicator, dig, break, book. Then you look up in the game. Wait, that dig indicator? Dig. Check it again. Ball coming.

Hit. Money. Six. That's it. That's if you can get jiggy with it. I don't know how jiggy you are. I can fly. I could fly.

I'll be good. I can fly. I believe it. I believe. You got anything else for me? That's really it. I'm a big fan, so I appreciate you. I appreciate you, too, brother. I wish you nothing but the best. I hope you go top 10. But either way it goes, no matter if you go first round or fifth round like myself, it's going to be on you and your work ethic to make it happen. That's just the beginning of your journey. It ain't the end. It ain't the, I've arrived. You ain't a ride till you hang them cleats up and let it go. And then you'll be like, That was a pretty cool ride.

No doubt. Is that Coach White? No, that's true blah. Oh, okay. Okay, I couldn't see it, but I could always see the back of his head. I was like, wait. No, he's coming back in a minute. He's coming back in a minute.

Okay. I appreciate you joining me, brother. I won't hold up any more of your time. Good luck with everything, and I'm here if you ever need me. So, Dad, I appreciate you. Appreciate it. I'm not. Hey, guys, it's us.

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