The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - 49ers RELOAD defense, Kyler Murray to Vikings + Eagles trading A.J. Brown? | Richard Sherman Reacts

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

On this episode of The Richard Sherman Podcast, Richard Sherman reacts to the latest NFL offseason moves shaking up the league. Sherman breaks down how the San Francisco 49ers are reloading their defense and what the additions could mean for their Super Bowl chances in the NFC. He also reacts to the stunning move by the Arizona Cardinals cutting Kyler Murray, which allowed him to sign with the Minnesota Vikings, and how that could reshape the NFC North. Plus, Sherm discusses the growing trade speculation surrounding Philadelphia Eagles WR A.J. Brown, the latest NFL free agency rumors, and which big-name players are still available, like Deebo Samuel, Bobby Wagner, and Jauan Jennings. From defensive rebuilds to quarterback shakeups, Sherm gives his honest reaction to the biggest moves of the NFL offseason and what they mean for the upcoming season.All lines are provided by Hard Rock Bet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hit that sub button if you're new. Also hit that notification button. We're here all season long. You know it's nothing but love. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast, Mitchell, another week in free agency and even more action. The San Francisco 49ers are added again. They trade the number 92 pick forosa, a diggyzua, a defensive tackle from the Dallas Cowboys. And I think this is a great pickup.

I think this is a great pickup. They also signed Dre Greenlaw. They signed Nate Hobbs, re-signed Luke Gifford. It's been so many deals. They sign a new punter and say goodbye to Thomas Moorstead. Bryce Huff retires. Joey Bosa, his mom is tweeting out pictures with both her boys and 49ers gear again. So that's not get too ahead of ourselves.

This has happened before, and he ended up a Buffalo bill. So I think everybody is holding their breath. But I love Ms. Bosa. She's fantastic. Richard, let's talk about this Osa-Digizua trade. This is a big move for San Francisco. you looked at last year, right? They were playing musical chairs on the defensive line.

We saw Nick Bosa go out. Obviously, the first rounder McHale Williams goes out, significant injuries that totally caused them to shift everything. And then everyone they put in, you know, was getting banged up along the way. They were leaning on rookies, you know, CJ West out of Indiana. So to bring in a veteran in Osa Diggi Zua from Dallas, and obviously they valued them, right? I mean, they traded a third round pick, but that's nothing to sneeze at. A top 100 pick. going over to the Cowboys in this move.

You know, how important do you think it was for the San Francisco 49ers to address the defensive line in a meaningful way like this? It's huge. It's huge. And they've tried to address it over the last couple of years. I mean, they played Javon, Hargrave, all that money. I think he's still on their dead cap money, their dead cap number. But at the end of the day, it just hasn't worked out for some reason.

And he got injured. Then they went to address it in the draft, drafting McKell Williams, who was very versatile. You can play inside and outside, great against the run. They drafted Alfred Collins. But it's tough to play consistent, high-level D-line play with young guys like that, without veterans in front of them and allowing them to rotate and learn. It's a grown-man game in the National Football League. So this is a great pickup, a guy who can play.

Three downs for the San Francisco 49ers, a guy that's experienced. Had three and a half sacks last year. Can be disruptive. Has a great motor. Has been consistent over the years. It's been relatively healthy. So I think this helps them. I still think they address it again in the draft.

I don't think you can ever have enough de-linman, which is evidenced by the Seattle Seahawks success in their rotation, their death, that defensive line. They just keep bringing in waves and waves of really talented and really stout defensive linemen, which is tough to deal with for an offensive line that never subs out of the game. So I think this is an important thing. I think they're looking to build their defensive line back up to an elite defensive line, and you've got to invest in it.

I think that's what they're doing. Obviously bringing Nicholas John Bolsa back is going to be huge. Last year they did it with Bryce Huff and Cleland, and gross mottoes and not a ton of big names that you would expect them to consistently start. And so I think they'll obviously be leaps and bounds better than they were last year, but they got to find a way. Bryce Huff just retired. And he was a lot of their production last year, his motor and what he brought,

and everybody was looking forward to seeing him with Nicholas John Bosa on the other side and what they could do together, but he retires, and then the San Francisco 49ers release his rights, which was a little strange to me because I was thinking, hey, if he retires, he's young. Pass rushers always, you know, can come back and they stay in good enough shape. You could at least get third down,

so if you hold on to his rights, if he decides to unretire, you can bring him back into the mix or at least leave the option open, but the San Francisco 49ers obviously are wiser than me, and thought it'd be better to just release his rights. But I think that's a great move. The Nate Hobbs is one of those moves that I'm in a wait-and-see mode

just because I don't think the Packers played him right. I think he's an inside corner. I think he stays in a nickel and you can occasionally play him outside, but I don't think you play him as an outside corner as the end-all-be-all. I know we feel good about what, Upton Stout has done this season, or what he did last season and his growth. But I think competition is good for everybody, and it'll be great in that spot. I love the Greenlaw pickup.

It's an affordable price. He's back home. He's a year removed from an Achilles, and that's when you start to see a real big jump. That's when I started to see a real big jump is the second year after you come back from your Achilles. The first year, you're just trying to survive. and he tore his Achilles in the Super Bowl. So to try to come back the next season, you know, seven, eight months later, it's a tough ask.

And I tore mine in November, so I had a couple more months, and I started the season. I still didn't feel right until the next season. I didn't still feel right until the summer of 19. And that's what you're dealing with. And so I think you'll see him look better, feel better, be more. more explosive, look more like the Dre Greenlaw that you recognize from old. I think he's excited to be home. Him and Fred Warner, one of the best tammons in the National Football League, they feed off one another, they energize one another, they're in the weight room together,

they're off the field together, they're in the film room together. A lot of times you can't find one without the other, and I think sometimes when you leave, you know, absence makes the heart grow fonder and you realize what you missed and I think he has an appreciation for what the San Francisco 49ers mean to him, what they mean to his career, what Fred Warner means to his career. I think this reenergizes Fred Warner in a big way and I can't wait to see them to back on the field together, five, seven and five fall back together. Oh, just looks right. It was an obvious fit. Dre Greenlaw goes back to the San Francisco 49ers. San Fran's made a couple of unique moves this off season bringing in Mike

Mike Gavin's obviously this OSA O'Diggy Zua trade and then Drey Greenlaw and Nate Hobbs Richard what are the most glaring holes left that they need to fill you before the draft to give you comfort? Safety

Safety Safety safety first You got to find a safety A veteran safety who's played good football. Kevin Byard would have been fantastic.

Didn't get him understood. But I think a veteran safety is something that you've got to find a way to get, whether you try to trade for him or I don't think there's many free agents left that make sense for the San Francisco 49ers, but I think safety is

still the biggest issue. And again, young guys, there are some young guys that come in and play at a high level. You find them. And they just fit and it just the game isn't too big for him it's not too fast for him but i think it it gives me hesitation to start back off with without any competition at safety spot if you if you just go in there and uh and and and start malik moustafa and jayr brown i mean that's fine but because i think at times jayir played played really good football and and malik moustafa flashed and

showed played really fast and aggressive, but again, there were times they did not play great football and, you know, it left them, it left the defense in a bad position and bad situation. And I think that's something that we, I think they have to address both in the draft and finding a veteran, a veteran presence. I remember when they had Tashon Gibson and everybody was like, oh, you know, this is just a veteran feeler. And they went to the Super Bowl that season and he had one of his best seasons and I think everybody could see the value that a veteran safety brings and just his feel and his you know how he's recognizing things and being ahead of the play and a sound tackler and it just calms the defense down it just gives the defense a validity you know

but we we it's it's something that I think they have to address I wish you know I did an interview the other day with Rod Woodson that we're going to put out this week. And you just forget, man, how much different a great safety can make a defense. I mean, obviously, they've had a ton of great safeties in the San Francisco 49ers history. But boy, Rob Woodson was one of them ones, Mitchell. Second all time, 71 interception. 71. Like the Niners had, I think, 18 sacks.

I mean, a handful of interceptions. I got to go back and look at the numbers, but it was not a lot of interceptions last season and a veteran safety, not that it's just going to be an automatic fix, but some of the drops last season were head scratching, and you can't have that. You've got to have guys that just make the layups.

Make the layups. The ball hits you in the chest, catch it. Like, hey, if you can't catch that, then I don't know. There it is. 49ers had six interceptions last year, all the last season, Mitchell. I had multiple seasons where I had eight alone. You can't do it.

You can't live like that. The Jets just had a season where they had zero interception, so I'm sure they could have used Rod Woodson as well. You guys got to check out the Rod at Woodson interview. You want to talk about a guy that knows football. Rod Woodson is that guy. He was a guy that was always around the football. Growing up, Richard, he was one of those guys that stood out when I was a young buck, right?

I mean, you know the great ones when you see him. and Rod Woodson certainly is one of those. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

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That's a really tough tax for guys in a tax-free, it was a tax-free state, income tax-free state. but now if guys are coming in there and making, you know, a few million dollars, they're getting tax at a 10% rate. I mean, it's comparable to what California and New York, obviously those are, I think, 12 and 13, but you go from zero to 9.9 over a million dollars, it changes the dynamic drastically. How do you feel about it, Mitchell?

Richard, let's start right there because, yeah, I mean, that's one of the things I think that's overlooked in the sports world in general. We see a lot of, whether it be the NBA, NHL, NFL, the MLB, you name it. These guys got a lot more to think about than just what team they want to play for. They got to think about the ramifications of what state they're playing in. And I know that you guys have the jock tax and all that stuff to worry about what state you're playing in and what state you're practicing in, et cetera. But this is a big deal in the state of Washington.

9.9% tax above the million dollars. threshold. This starts in 2029. Richard, what kind of impact do you think this is going to have? Because here's the reality of it. A player signs a $10 million a year deal. You basically cut a million dollars off the top. That's something the state of Washington has never had before. Do you see this playing a big factor in the way, you know, the appeal of the Seattle Seahawks to free agents, to keeping their own guys on the roster, et cetera? Yeah, I think it definitely plays a huge because when you talk about California, you get the weather. So if a guy is thinking about going there and he understands he has to deal with that big tax number for state tax,

at least you can sell him on the weather, you know, probably 300 days of sunshine or 285 days of sunshine, whatever it is, depending on if you're in the Bay or L.A. If you're going to New York, you can sell them the big city and all the allure that comes with New York City. But for Seattle, a lot of the draw is, because it's a smaller market, is, hey, you don't have to deal with state income tax. That saves you, that saves you a million bucks on a $10 million deal, especially on a signing bonus. Now, jock tax, every time you play in a different state, you get taxed in that state, understood. But when you're talking about a signing bonus, which is usually your bigger number, you know, whether it's $10, $15, $20 million. that's tax in the state that you're playing.

So if you're talking about $20 million here, that's almost $2 million off the top that would change if you're in Texas or Florida or Washington before this tax came into play. And so I think it will definitely have an effect on what players are thinking about when they come here. Obviously, if the number is big enough, guys are going to still come play for the Seahawks.

It's not going to change. totally, you know, nobody's going to come play for the Seahawks. That's not true at all by any extent. But it's definitely going to make it more of a conversation than it's been. It's definitely going to be more of a factor than it's ever been because that's been one of the, it goes from being a positive, a pro for the Seattle Seahawks to a huge con. No question about it. And we'll see how that all plays out.

I mean, these next couple of years, obviously, I know John Schneider has put together a master class these last couple seasons. But this adjustment, it's going to be one that he's not necessarily going to be comfortable with because there's no way to really smooth sail this. I mean, it is what it is. It is the law. But let's talk a little bit more about football. Let's say, well, while we're talking about the Seahawks, let's talk about the signing of Emmanuel Wilson, the running back from Green Bay, who really thrived in Green Bay's offense when we saw Josh get Jacobs go out and get banged up a little bit last year. This was a team. Seattle that desperately needed a running back. I mean, we talked about it last podcast. K9 goes to the

Kansas City Chiefs and Zach Charbonnet, obviously dealing with this late season ACL injury that is going to be playing a factor in this next season, whether fans wanted to or not. They needed to bring in a guy with the experience that can tote the rock for him. Emmanuel Wilson is a bruiser, and I think he's a guy that can really help this offense. How much do you like this signing from John Schneider and the Seattle Seahawks? I really like it. I like it because he brings that bruiser, but he does have a level of explosiveness to him. And he was really great in the role spelling Josh Jacobs last year.

I think with more carries and more responsibility, he can elevate his game to another level. And obviously, like you said, Zach Sarbanay is going to be probably a little banged up to start the season. I don't think that I don't think that Zach, they feel like George Halani is necessarily ready for full-time role a full

or at least half-time of carries that he would need to have in this situation. So I think it's great. But I think overall the sentiment with Seahawks fans and even

with fans around the league is that oh man the Seahawks are so much worse than they were last year because they lost all this pieces. Let's put everything in context. The strength of the Seattle Seahawks' defense is their defensive line, their front, their coverages, Mike McDonald's mind is the strength. They're able to play a multitude of coverages, really smart safety play with Kobe Bryant and Julian Love, now Ty Akata's replacing Kobe Bryant because he went and got his payday. They played a lot of the season with Rick Woolen in and out of the lineup. So to lose Rick Woolen to the Philadelphia Eagles is a loss.

But it's a loss. I think they were prepared to take on if it happened. I think they had games last year where they weren't dependent on what Rick Woolen was doing or how his game was going. I think that's a big reason why they felt like they had to keep Josh Job because Josh Job was a factor all season long. Josh Job was a major factor and a factor I don't think gets enough credit for the success this defense had because of his ability to stand up backside one-on-one,

which was evident in the Super Bowl when he had to do it multiple times. His ability to play multiple coverages, disguise, get his hands on receivers, reroute, re-rout, reposition himself, get tackle, tackle extremely well. They still have Devin Witherspoon, who plays, who's their Swiss Army knife and their defense. Still have Nickyman Worry, who will take on a bigger role and likely thrive

even more in this system in year two. It's crazy that he's just in year two. So I don't think, I don't think there's a, need to panic. Sam Darnold's still under contract for a very reasonable number. Jackson Smith and Jigba. You bring back

Rashid Chaheed, which is another big deal that they just signed. His importance in the special team's realm is huge, but I think when you pay him $17 million a year like they did with this contract, I think that tells you that he's going to assume

the number two role that I think most people had Cooper cut penciled in as because of his $15 million number. One of the most expensive receiver rooms in the National Football League now, especially once JSN gets his $40 million. People wonder,

why can we just re-sign K-9 and do this and do that? Zoni, once you start to pay your starting corner one money, which is $31 million now, and you start to pay your receiver one, receiver one money, which is $40 million a year, everything else is musical chairs at that point. And so I think that's a big reason why they're doing, making a smart decision. They're resigning people early.

I think they got Charles Cross for a really good number that can flex throughout the years. And, you know, they'll play with that contract, I'm sure, throughout the seasons. They got a lot of guys for affordable, reasonable deals right now. So this is their window to make things happen. I think they'll draft well. John has drafted extremely well over the last three, four years, and that's why they're in a position they're in. They've got young guys who are on rookie contracts,

and they're playing at a really high level, and I think that'll continue. I love the Shaheed pickup. I think he's going to get, again, a better rapport with Sam Darnold this offseason. I expect at least one deep shot to two deep shots a game to really soften its defense and its offense to be even more explosive next year than it was this year. Well, and here's, I think, what Seattle Seahawk, the fan base in general, needs to understand.

It's like this team was playing with an embarrassment of riches. You know, this depth chart on this team, specifically defensively, was unbelievable. And they were a showcase, you know, and their run late in the season when they were viewed as the best team in the league. And naturally, they're going to lose some of these players because of that. You talk about Rekwoolin, you talk about Kobe Bryant, talk about K-9, you know, obviously, Boy Maffy is leaving town. There's a lot of people that are leaving this team, but I don't see it as a huge glaring problem for Seattle.

I've got utmost confidence in John Schneider and what he's able to do in the draft. I think the biggest question mark that I had with this team is a running back situation without Charbonnet, without K-9. I think Emmanuel Wilson helps that. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to address that as well later in the draft with another running back. So stay calm, Seattle. You guys just won the Super Bowl. I think that everything's going to play out. And the luxury that they have right now is Sam Donald

and the expertise that we saw last season of bringing him in a competent quarterback who's still in his prime entering his prime. I think Seattle is going to have to think long and hard about what they want to pay him when he's due. Because that's the next step in this, right? I mean, you talked about JSN. Now we've got to talk about Sam Darnold a little bit because Richard, Sam Darnold means so much to this organization and we sought in bringing home to Super Bowl. Do you think he's going to be paid ultimately like a top five guy?

Like we see these guys resetting the market year after year. You think that's something Seattle should embark on because that conversation is coming? It's a really tough ask because, and it's a fair question, I think I don't. I don't think they should engage in that kind of fight. I think top 10, no question about it. I think you're going to get into the $50-plus million-dollar range with Sam Darnold. I mean, usually a great number for a quarterback. Nobody outside of DAC has gotten to 60.

But now that the cap is 300 and 300 plus million, it starts to become a normal number because usually historically, the quarterbacks are 17 to 21 percent of the cap. and 20% of the cap is right around $60 million a year. So you start to get in those conversations and say that's the number that historically quarterback, it's less about 60 million and more about 17 to 21% of the cap. If you look at back when Aaron Rogers, every time the top five quarterbacks are right there, 17 to 20% of the cap.

And we've talked about this as a union when we're discussing the South. cap and quarterback numbers that were exploding and their contracts were ballooning and other position groups weren't. And the conversation was about capping quarterback contracts, which is something nobody agreed to, nobody really seriously entertained. But the reason the conversation came up is because of the amount of the salary that quarterbacks were taken up and other contracts were varying, you know, cornerback maybe 15%, 12%, D.N, maybe 16%, depending on what's going on with certain teams. But we started to see a commonality between what teams, the percentage that teams were staying within to pay quarterbacks. But that's story for a different day. I think that

if Sam Donald has another really successful season this season and they make a deep playoff run and these are big ifs, I think they go on to year three tearing that contract up and paying him over 50 plus maybe $54, $55 million a year. And that, again, changes the dynamic because you're starting to pay guys much higher numbers than you did in previous years. You'll JSN and Devin Witherspoon's numbers are going to be much higher. Now, there are ways to circumvent the system and make the cap numbers lower than they look. But at the end of the day, those guys are going to get paid big money, deservedly so.

And that's when the dynamic starts to change for fans and everybody. Right now, I think the Seahawks are fine. I think they have an incredibly strong team, still a top five roster in the NFL, top two roster in the NFL. And I think they're going to make another deep playoff run and be a great team in the NFC for years to come and, you know, we'll address the rest of the issues when they start to come up. Richard, we had some other breaking news over the weekend, and we talked about it a little bit on our last podcast, but Kyler Murray, non-surprisingly, signs with the Minnesota Vikings on a

one-year deal. Kyler goes and plays in Kevin O'Connell's offense, and if Kevin O'Connell can't change him and make him work, I don't know who could. This is a good fit for Kyler individually. Is it a good fit for Minnesota, though? Should Viking fans be excited? Compared to what they had in toll? You don't want Max Brosmer back out there, Rich?

Come on, man. I mean, they wanted J.J. McCarthy, and they told me that J.J. McCarthy was the answer, and I was crazy. That's what I, that's what Minnesota Vikings fans. They said, I was just a hater, and I was writing them off, and I didn't know any better. And I just hated J.J. McCarthy. No, I just watched their tape, guys. sorry. I'm sorry. I know football and you guys clearly don't. I'm sorry. I'm sorry everybody else

could see. Even Kevin O'Connell could see. And the Minnesota Vikings get rid of their general manager because they could now see it. They could now see that it was a mistake letting Daniel Jones and Sam Donald walk out of the building and putting all their hope and a rookie quarterback who never started in the national football league. And I'm sorry. I don't apologize for that. And they're now going to start Kyler Murray. They're going to bring Kyle and money in, pay him $1.3 million and allow the Arizona Cardinals to pay the rest of his salary. And they're going to start him.

And he's going to play solid football. He's a good player. He's a really talented football player. He's an incredibly explosive, great arm can be accurate at times. And with these guys, I mean, his issue was off the field. and not off the field in the negative way that people think about off the field issues. But I think they're going to be pleasantly surprised. He's really a great player, and he's exciting to watch.

He's exciting to watch play football and with Kevin O'Connell and all the talent that he's going to have, the stability, the offensive stability that he's going to have around him. Mitchell, I think they're getting a really, really fun and exciting player in Kyler, Murray. He can be explosive at times. His last healthy season was 2024. He had a 93.5 quarterback rating. He threw for 3,800 yards, 21 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. And that's not a bad season. That's a really, really solid to good NFL quarterback season. And I think the Minnesota Vikings would be really excited if he had that kind of season, if he repeated that kind of season. And with Justin Jefferson and Addison, he could definitely do that.

I think he's going to have a chance to throw the open receivers. Receivers that Justin Jefferson is going to be excited because he's going to get him to ball. He's going to feed him the ball all season long. Kevin O'Connell is going to draw it up. It's going to be a revival of a season for this offense. And I think people wonder, oh, man, is Kevin O'Connell's going to draw it up? O'Connell on the hot seat, he's not. I wouldn't imagine so. If he's on the hot seat,

believe you and me, every organization, including the ones, some of the ones that just hired coaches are going to be with their finger over the fire button if Kevin O'Connell becomes available. And so I don't think the Minnesota Vikings are looking to do that. I think they understand what they have in him and the value, and I know it hasn't necessarily ended up in a lot of success in the postseason and Super Bowls and all that. But, I mean, just the season ago with Sam Donald, you won 14 games. So let's not act like it hasn't shown itself. Now, sure, in the playoffs, it didn't go great.

And Sam Donald was sack nine times and they got eliminated. But I think with competent quarterback play, he's shown that he could have success with this team and in this division and a division that's only getting better. I think, again, the J.J. McCarthy thing kind of set this team. back a little bit. It set a good defense back. But again, they were able to retain Brian Flores, who was taking head coaching jobs and interviews and looking to move on if possible. But they were able to retain him. I think that's a huge, huge deal for this team and what he brings. But we're going to see. We're going to see because Kyler hasn't, I don't feel like he's been in an offense like this

that is really well suited to his talents. And I know that Kevin O'Connell is going to create a system that really, really, really emphasizes the things that Kyle did well. It certainly is an intriguing fit. And, I mean, we've seen these resurgence of, you know, these veteran quarterbacks now that didn't work out with their first team. I mean, obviously Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, you know, Mac Jones last season. I mean, can Kyler Murray replicate that mold? Is it change of scenery out of Arizona up to Minnesota, you know, going to spark his career?

We'll see. But like you said, Kevin O'Connell was not the problem. Two of those names I just mentioned were in-house in Minnesota. The fact that you let both Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold out of the room, especially after going 14 and 3, two seasons ago, is just head scratching, to say the least, this blind faith that they put into J.J. McCartner, Harties, but ultimately they shot themselves in their own foot. And the GM obviously let go this season.

Those decisions play a huge factor in all this. So this to me kind of looks like an opportunity for them to have a redo here. And maybe Kyler Murray works out and maybe he is at stabilizing force because they have so many weapons up in Minnesota, right? I mean, the wide receiving room is loaded. They've got stable running backs. Their defense with Brian Flores is tough. touch can be lethal at times. So if Kyler Murray goes there and provides that offense with

consistency and that spark that they really needed, you know, look out in Minnesota, but that's a big if. That's a big if. And we'll see if he's able to show that off-field maturation and commit himself to the game and take Minnesota, you know, back to where they were a couple seasons ago. And this is going to help J.J. McCarthy in the end. This is what he needs. He needs to sit behind a veteran and learn and just be comfortable in his role and just get better, get continue to develop. You know, maybe in the future he can have a really good NFL career. This isn't the end of the role for J.J. McCarthy.

But I think for a veteran quarterback coming off an ACL injury back into a season would be tough. For a rookie to deal with the speed of the game and everything that comes with playing the quarterback position after a major injury with no experience is a tough ask, especially after on a team that won 14 games a year before. And the expectations are so high. And they shouldn't necessarily be for a rookie quarterback. And so I think that was just a no-win situation to walk into.

Sure, if he would have, if he would have won 10 games, 11 games, that would have been a home run for the Minnesota Vikings. but I don't think any reasonable mind could have expected that from him. And I think sitting behind Colin Murray, sitting behind any veteran quarterback, is going to help in his development and his maturation and give him kind of a roadmap of how to prepare. And instead of just being thrown into the fire and expected to fend for himself. And I think, again, it's going to help him.

And it's going to extend his NFL life more than if he just, went out there for another season and started. And if he didn't do well, like if they did not pick up Kyle Murray and J.J. McCarthy was expected to go out there and start. And if he didn't do well, if he didn't go out there and just light the world on fire and they bench him,

you're looking at the beginning of the end for J.J. McCarthy's career. I think this allows him to wait and see and develop and people still hold out hope that maybe, you know, that you saw in the fourth quarter of a couple of those Chicago games can manifest itself more often and more consistently later on in his career. Another quarterback that signed over the weekend, signed to the Cincinnati Bengals,

lesser of a name but more wild of his story. Josh Johnson, Richard, this is his third stint with the Cincinnati Bengals. He's made 22 stops throughout his NFL career. And outside of the NFL, I mean, these stops include stops with the Sacramento Mountain Lions, the San Diego Fleet, the L.A. Wildcats. What a wild story. Josh Johnson just keeps finding

himself a job. And you know what? He's been a competent backup throughout his career. Clearly, what do you make a Josh Johnson's, I guess, runway of his career here? It's a pretty wild one. It's funny because I just saw Josh Johnson a couple months ago

and we were laughing about this because he just loves football. And he You rare to find a guy who's been in the league as long as he has and still has the same love for football. But he's also a coach on the field. He's a coaching mind. And I think that's what a lot of backup quarterbacks are. Just a great football mind.

And he's an asset to these quarterback rooms. And I think people wonder, how does he keep getting jobs? Like he's not lighting the world on fire as a backup. Because he's a guy that brings something to the quarterback room. He brings a wealth of knowledge. He brings a wealth of information and helps the development and maturation of the other quarterbacks in the room. He brings a different perspective. And I think people underestimate the importance of that in the National Football League, but these teams don't.

These teams see Josh Johnson as a very valuable commodity to add to their quarterback room. That's why so many teams keep adding him. That's what a 49ers, the Giants, Ravens, Beals, Colts, Bengals again, Ravens, Buccaneers, Lions, commanders, et cetera, et cetera, have brought him in because, not just because of what he brings physically as a quarterback, but what he brings mentally. He's an incredibly intelligent player. I would guess soon as the day he's done playing, he's on somebody's coaching staff as a quarterback's coach right away.

Richard, one other thing we got to talk about here is A.J. Brown, you know, the Eagles have been towing the line dealing with these salary cap restraints all. off season and AJ Brown has been a name that's come up numerous times. There was even a report I read over the weekend that the Rams were actually interested in AJ Brown, which I don't know if that's true or not. And I don't think they can make that move now because I know Devante Adams' cap hit came into effect. But what do you think is the best move for AJ Brown?

Do you think sticking with Philly and figuring this out makes most sense or do you think he should be on the move? Well, it's a great question. I depends. It depends on where he goes. If you look at, if you're looking to move him to a team, that's a contender and he becomes an obvious number one, then sure. I think it makes sense to move him. If you, if you talked about sending him to Green Bay, a team like that, that has a quarterback's ability, has, you know, talent around, but no true number one. receiver? Sure, that would make sense. Is that somewhere

AJ Brown would want to go? I don't think so. But there aren't a lot of scenarios where you trade him and his chances at winning a Super Bowl increase. So I think if you're talking about playing winning football, he stays in Philadelphia and just tries to weather the storm, tries to weather the storm, because he's not going to get the amount of yards and targets. unless, you know, something changes dramatically from the last couple years. If he goes somewhere else, he could get his targets, be the number one, but I don't think they're going to win a lot.

There's not a lot of places. I mean, maybe Buffalo. Send him to Buffalo. You know, maybe he'd get the targets and be the number one, but do you want to go to Buffalo? They have great fans and they have great, great wings out there. They have a really good quarterback. You'd get your targets. But is that where you want to go?

The Patriots just picked up Romeo Dobbs, but I'm sure they still have room. And would you want to go there and play in New England? It's not a super strong division. Miami, just let go of Tyree Keel. Do you want to go to Miami and, you know, have a good time and maybe win a couple football games, but I don't think there are Super Bowl contenders as of yet.

I think that Jeff Hathley is going to do a great job turning that program around, getting them back into winning habits. But it's going to take a year or two. So I don't see a lot of ideal situations for him. Now, if he would have traded him to the Rams, that would have been a very, very interesting scenario with him and Matthew Stafford. I mean, wow, you just start to explore that thought and begin, you start to nod your head.

Like, okay, all right, now. You're cooking with grease. It makes a lot of sense. But outside of that, it doesn't make a ton of sense. You know, it's a quick thought, and then it's gone because they have Devante Adams, Pooka, and everything they already have going on. They just had a substantial amount of success with that team, made it all the way to the NFC championship, just ran into a juggernaut of the Seattle Seahawks in Seattle and weren't

able to overcome that. But do you end up with the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson and their revamped system? I don't know. Do you, do you end up with the Pittsburgh series? There's so many, you know, we can go what ifs all day long, but are any of those situations better than the situation he's in now in terms of winning football? And I don't think they are. They are. Richard, oftentimes when we're doing this podcast, breaking news breaks. And we were just talking about quarterbacks that are, you know, I have an opportunity to revitalize, to revive their careers. And while we're recording, Justin Fields just gets traded to the Kansas City Chiefs from the Jets.

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an incredible athlete, but you also got to be able to throw the football down the field. And there were times that it seemed like the New York Jets were averse to throwing the ball down the field. And Andy Reed is a fantastic coach and developer. He's, and I don't think he gets to credit. he deserves for that because he's he's always you know kind of had quarterbacks and you know that you feel good about but this would be his swan song if if andy reed can turn just in fields

and uh what you saw at ohio state or any semblance of that quarterback then boy i tell you his hall of fame resume is stamped it's already stamped but boy it's stamped with with black ink with permanent ink, baby. And you've got to trust that they see the makings in the clay that they can mold into some wins into comparable and competent quarterback play. Obviously, they got K9, so they're going to run the football. That's where they're going to butter their bread. They have Thornton and Xavier Worthy and Travis says he's coming back, so he has that safety

blanket. But this is going to be a work in progress. And if he does, and if they do turn Justin Fields back into the Justin Fields that came out of Ohio State, I think that's fantastic. And I love that for everybody involved. But it's also an indictment on the New York Jets. But what's not an indictment on the New York Jets? I mean, Gino's coming back.

He's coming home after going full circle. reviving his career, becoming a pro bowler outside of New York. He's coming back to New York, a pro bowler to potentially revive the Jets. That's going to be, if he does, I'd love that for Gino. I would love that. That'd be fantastic. That'd be something I could get behind. But right now it's tough.

It's tough for New York fans, the Jets and the Giants. I'm sorry, guys. We'll see what Justin Fields provides in Kansas City. He was electric at times in Chicago, but a lot of the electricity we saw were these 80-yard runs. So can he get the arm active? You know, there's obviously some safety blankets he can throw to him Travis Kelsey, like you said, he's got K-9, Rishie Rice, et cetera. So they're going to lean on them. Depending the health of Patrick Mahomes, Justin Fields may be called on early this season. So eyes are on you, Andy Reid. Let's see how this plays out. Richard, we got a handful of big

name still on the free agency list right now. It's funny how free agency works. They talk about it way You know, the first wave at free agencies, all these big guys getting paid their big money. Second wave is teams kind of trying to take discounts. Now we look at the third wave of the veterans who are looking for the perfect fit for how they want to play out the next, you know, year or two before they call it a day in the NFL. Some of these names on this list are big names, you know. We'll start off the top. Joanne Jennings, right? I mean, this guy, San Francisco 49ers, battled injuries, became the really number one,

wide receiver for the 49ers this past year. It looks like they've moved on bringing him Mike Evans, but maybe I'm wrong. Where do you think the best fit is for Joanne Jennings? I think the best fit is in San Francisco, but maybe not in the role that he sees for himself because you bring in Mike Evans, you have a true one. You feel like Persol as your Z, he's two.

And he, I feel like Joanne is far removed from, from accepting that third and Jawan role that really helped him get on the field because he's earned it. He's got a lot of passes. He's played well. Should have been Super Bowl MVP of the 2023 Super Bowl. If they would have won that Super Bowl, I think he would have been MVP of it. But if he's willing to move back into that number three role, which is, I'm not, hey, you're going out to free agency, you're seeing how it is. It hasn't been great so far, but maybe there are conversations behind closed doors that we aren't prevy to.

But I think if he does come back to San Francisco, he does slot right back into that receiver three role. He does still, all the things that were true about him before are true about him now. He's a great culture guy. This team loves him. I don't think there's bad blood by any stretch of imagination there. I think this is what the San Francisco 49ers is the only way they could show him is to allow him to see free agency and allow him to see, hey, you see what's out there? It's not what you thought it was. It's not maybe what you thought it would be.

Now you can come back home. That's why we offered you the deals that we offered you because the grass isn't always greener on the other side. And at times it is. But this time it's not. And so if you're willing to come back, we still love you. We still want you to be here. We still have a role for you. It's not as big of a role as you've had in previous seasons,

but as everybody has seen at times, fingers crossed, knock on wood, things happen in San Francisco at times, and roles change throughout the season. And, you know, you look up, and KB has 10 catches for over 100 yards against the Rams a week after getting there and becomes the go-to guy in L.A. So crazy things happen during the football season. he recognizes that.

Obviously, he's going to continue to weigh his options, but we'll see how that situation. But the Brandon Ayuk situation is interesting, too. I see a lot of people commenting on that, that the 49ers are holding him hostage, and it's unfair, and they're doing wrong by him. And I want to give my two cents on that. I don't think so. I think the opposite, because what? What would Brandon IUC fetch in the free agency right now?

Coming off a major injury, no tape for this season, you know, whatever you feel about his reputation with the San Francisco 49ers or the league, et cetera, et cetera, his contract right now is for almost $30 million a year. If they cut him, the contract's torn up, thrown away, and somebody's going to resign him for one year, prove it kind of deal. $6, $7 million, maybe $8, up to 12, or whatever, whatever you think it is.

I'm not sure what the numbers would be, but it wouldn't be 30. If they trade him, Brandon Iyuk's contract trades to whatever team that he goes to. So everybody's talking about the commanders. Let's just talk about the commanders because that's the team that he's linked to most often.

If they trade him to the commanders, he's under the contract that he signed with the San Francisco 49ers. Not a one-year prove-it deal. Now, there's no guaranteed money, so it technically would be a one-year-a-old-deal, but it'd be a one-year-a-deal for, I think, $27 million. So if I'm Brandon Ayup, that's the situation I want to be in. I want to be where you're trading me and my contract to the new team

so that I'm not on a one-year, $8 million-dollar-proof-it deal. I'm on the contract that I've been on, and if I play well, then that contract just continues as it should. And so I'm not in the camp of people that say this is San Francisco 49ers are doing wrong by him. They're doing what's in their best business interests. But if I'm Brandon Ayuk, it's also in my best business interest because if they cut me, then I have to convince a team that I'm worth $30 million. And hey, could you pay me $27 million for next season, even if it's a one-year deal?

That's tougher to do. If they trade you, that's already your contract. So I think that's a big deal that people are ignoring. If they trade him, they're trading his contract. And I'm sure that the agent is in those conversations and everybody else. Would you rather be cut and try to resign and convince a team coming off a knee injury that, hey, I'm worth $30 million? Or just trade your contract and go over there and play under this contract that you had already signed.

I think he would agree, and everybody else in his camp would agree, we just want to trade the contract. Trade me. Get a seventh round pick. Get whatever you want. Get the most mystery relevant. You see what you did with Mr. Irrelevant. You turn him into a pro bowler,

one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the National Football League. So if you can get a seventh round pick in your San Francisco 49ers, that works in your best business interests. And it also works in Brandon Ayuk's best business interest because he gets paid what he would have gotten paid last year for the San Francisco 49ers. I agree. Much of the sense.

I agree. And at the end of the day, this is a business. San Francisco 49ers have a interest in getting assets and return for them. So it all makes sense on both sides. Next on this list, Richard, is a friend of the program. I know one of your best friends, Bobby Wagner, you know, who continues to get it done. First Ballot Hall of Famer. I don't care what anyone says.

Where do you think the best fit is for him? Is it back to Washington or do you think he goes elsewhere? That's tough. because it's Mike linebacker, and it's not quarterback, but you only got one and you got the green dot on your helmet. And usually you want that position field before OTAs and all that. I'm not sure where the best fit is right now for Bobby. Is it back in Washington? I'm not sure.

Obviously, that's familiarity. He has Kenny Norton there. He has Dan Quinn. But I mean, I'm sure he would love to come back to Seattle. But they have Ernest Jones. They have Tyrese Knight. It's one of those situations. They feel really comfortable with the guys they have in-house.

They do a fantastic job. They're really elite players. They have a great locker room. And Bobby Wagner is not a backup linebacker. And he's not a special team's guy. And I don't think they would disrespect him by asking him to do that. So it's interesting. It's interesting.

I mean, he could play. He can play at a high level. So that's not, that's not in question. I mean, is he at the level that he used to be? No question. No. Father Time is undefeated and nobody's in year. What is this? 15 for Bobby going to be playing at the same level as they were playing at a year two or three.

But it's a reason why he's an 11-time all-pro and pro bowler because of what he's able to do in his mind and how fast he processes the National Football League. But I'm not sure, you know, I got to call Bob and ask him where he feels like he wants to go. Maybe we'll have him on the show and talk about it. There you go. Next is former San Francisco 49er Debo Samuel,

a free agent now after playing with the commanders. You know, obviously his game, he's a bruiser. He's a yak guy. And where do you think he fits best? There's a lot of teams that need wide receivers still. But the question is, how much does he want to win? I mean, obviously, you go to the Raiders, et cetera. But where do you think is the best fit for Debo at this stage in his career?

San Francisco. Everywhere, look, the best fit is home. It all leads back to San Francisco. It all leads back home for these guys because that's where he's had his greatest success. and obviously things have changed for him in a number of ways, but in terms of somebody who understands his talents and the way to use him best in San Francisco and Kyle Shanahan. I think Kyle, he had an all-pro season in San Francisco

because Kyle uses him in very unique ways that really, really showcase his abilities in really cool fashions. And again, with Mike Evans in the fold, he takes so much. pressure off everyone else. And he's a guy that, hey, stand alone, I can get open, I can play receiver. I'm a one, give me the ball, and get out of the way. And I think that opens up things for Debo and Persol and Kittle and Christian McCaffrey and everybody else in this offense that already thrives. And I think bringing Debo back may not make sense for, maybe it's not even in the cards or interest John Lynch and the San Francisco 49ers or anybody, and I'm just

throwing stuff against the wall. This is my speculation and my two cents, and I'm not taking this because I have information anywhere else, but I think it makes sense there. Robert Sala has watched DeBos Samuel have success in a big way, and they need receivers in Tennessee. Does that make sense for DeBos Samuel to be there? I'm not sure. That's something he acts. They just picked up a receiver and I think if they could get him for an affordable price, I think that could potentially make sense there. Again, Miami Dolphins just give up Tyree Kiel, not that they're the same type of receiver or anything like that, but again, he can play receiver in the National Football League. So a number of these teams that have openings

would make sense to bring him in. Does Kevin O'Connell and the Minnesota Vikings as a receiver three gadget guy and guy that can, you know, can help the run games. Um, make sense. Maybe. You know, again, this is all speculation. This is the national football league. Um, if Debo Samuel is motivated, he can make a lot of plays and he can make an offense even more explosive in my personal opinion.

Next on this list is one close to home for me. Taylor Decker, the Detroit Lions, he announces that he's coming back. Uh, there was a lot of speculation coming to the off season that he was going to hang him up. He battled a pretty significant. shoulder injury all year long was in and out of the lineup, didn't practice often. He elects to come back and the Lions ask him to take a pay cut and ultimately he's released. He still hasn't found a home.

I'm kind of like you, Richard. I feel like the best place for him is not to lead Detroit and to stay here. This team needs help on the offensive line. You know what you're getting out of Taylor Decker. Yes, he is a little bit injury prone at the stage in his career. But Richard, you battled injuries. Do you think that this is the best move is for him to come back to Detroit? What do you think the market is like for him out there?

Yeah, I mean, it's probably a little soft right now, but it's hard to find good offense alignment, especially tackles in the National Football League, just competent tackle play. And I think that's something a lot of teams, like if you're the Cincinnati Bengals, you don't call Taylor Decker. If you're the Kansas City Chiefs, you don't call Taylor Decker.

I mean, yeah, a lot of these teams, There are a lot of teams out there that could call and kick the tires on Taylor Decker and see what his price is and see if it makes sense. I think there are a ton of teams that could use his services. And obviously, health would be a big issue. And I'm sure that would be baked into the contract. But I have a hard time seeing him go back to Detroit unless the number is, unless he just gets no market.

and is forced to. But I think for as poor as the offensive line play overall has been in the National Football League and how solid Taylor Decker has been for a good portion of his career, I think he'll get an offer that pulls him away. And then finally, a name I'm actually quite shocked is still available. David Nogoku, tight end from the Cleveland Browns. He's had a lot of success over the last couple of years.

Obviously, they brought in the rookie last year in Cleveland who had a ton of success. And that ultimately pushes David Najoko out the door. But I'm shocked, Rich, that this guy who's been really, I would say, a very stable force for that offense. And I would consider him, you know, the upper half of tight ends in this league, is still available. What do you think the best fit is for David Najoko? And why do you think he's still available at this point? It's interesting. I have no idea why he's still available.

I thought he was really solid tight-in. I thought a number of teams would reach out. Again, there are teams that are depleted offensively that I think he could help. But I don't know if it's an injury concern. I have no idea. He's been a good playmaker in Cleveland. I thought he'd have a much more solid. market than he's had.

So this is a mystery to me. But a free agency isn't done. So I couldn't tell you because he plays tight-in. You know, tight-ins are versatile. A lot of teams have them. A lot of teams invest in that position. And he's a tight-in one and not a tight-in two. So we'll have to wait and see.

You know, it's a wait-and-see situation. There are a lot of teams that he makes sense on that I think he could help. Right now, I mean, it could be anybody. It is a deep draft for tight ends, especially in the middle round, so maybe teams are waiting on that as well. Richard, it's always a pleasure sitting down for you with you. The free agency period is still underway. You know, it's not as much hoopla as last week,

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