The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Amon-Ra St. Brown on Lions revival & his $125 million extension
Episode Date: September 18, 2024Richard Sherman interviews Detroit Lions NFL All-Pro Amon-Ra St. Brown. Amon-Ra tells Richard about starting his career with the Lions 0-10-1 and then, with the additions of Jared Goff and Dan Campbel...l, reversing the tides and making it all the way to the NFC Championship last season. Amon-Ra discusses falling to the Lions in the fourth round of the 2021 NFL Draft, his freshly-signed $125 million contract extension, the dynamic Lions offense drawn up by OC Ben Johnson, why Denver Broncos CB Pat Surtain II is his pick for the best corner in the NFL, and his appearance in Netflix's 'Receiver' documentary series. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast.
We have one of the best receivers in the National Football League.
Amon Rae St. Brown.
Appreciate you joining me, brother.
Yes, sir.
Appreciate you having me.
Hey, you got to explain to me how I feel.
I mean, hey,
living large in Detroit just to be there for the culture change.
How was that?
It's been a lot of fun, you know, getting here.
When I got drafted, I didn't really know what to expect being, you know, going to Detroit.
I never watched any Detroit games.
I probably knew like two players in the team when I got drafted.
And I knew they were historically a bad team.
It's not, I'm not going to say, I was super excited to come to Detroit.
I wasn't.
This is probably like the last time I wanted to go to when I was coming out of college.
But being able to see the growth of everyone that's been here with Coach Campbell, Jared, Penae, the guys that I came with, almost all of us are still here.
A lot of the coaches, it's been awesome to see, man.
I'm just glad I was a part of it from the start.
Some guys that got here last year went to the NACC championship, like Jemir, Leporto, that's all they know.
They've just be on a good team.
But I was there when we were 3, 13, and 1, terrible, and then kind of built it up.
So it's been a lot of fun.
Well, you got it from the bottom.
First off, dad, like, we always hear about the Ball Brothers and their dad and all that stuff.
But I want to talk about Joe Pops because he had a vision.
I respect a man with a vision.
Yeah.
Like, he names y'all all after Egyptian gods, which I respect.
I got a lot of a ton of respect for that.
But it's the St. Brand, because I've heard a lot of rumors about this and I'd never get to ask you and I got you here, so I'm going to ask you.
How did the last name come about?
because I hear it wasn't his last name,
but he felt like this is the right way to go.
Yeah, so his last name is Brown.
So his name is John Brown.
Just, you know, regular, regular Brown.
And when my, when Equino's first born,
he was in the, you know,
they were in the hospital.
He was about to be born.
He got the birth certificate and everything.
And he always wanted to change the last name
to either Von Brown and St. Brown.
He didn't like Brown by itself.
He said it's a slave name,
won't look good on the back of a jersey.
So it always had this vision of having,
you know, having a different last name.
So he was in the, you know, before he was born, he was in the room.
And he decided with St.
And he put, so he didn't scratch anything out.
He just added the ST in front of the Brown.
And it's been that ever since.
So we actually have a different last name than our dad's.
Usually it's kind of, kind of different.
But I'm glad he did it because I feel like my name was just Amman Rob Brown.
That don't sound right to me.
No, it don't.
It don't.
The names are clean.
And just to have that kind of vision and foresight as a pops, like just I respect it.
Like, how was it annoying that?
Because I, you know, I don't know a ton about how your pops raised you and all that.
But I know he had to, like, put you all through it and work you out and train you and coach you.
Did he coach you through Little League and Pop Warner?
Yeah, he was there.
He was with us through everything, man.
He, at every practice, whether it's basketball, soccer, football.
He never played really basketball.
He never played soccer.
But he was going to make sure he was at all the practices.
And if he didn't learn it or understand the game, he was going to watch it.
see what the coach saying, pick it up, and then teach me it once we get in the car and go home.
So that's the kind of dad he was.
He was tough on this.
Tough love, definitely.
But I really appreciate it as a now being older, looking back on it.
I feel like it made me a much better player at a young age and it helped me understand the importance of hard work and discipline at a young age.
So as I got older and I wasn't around him as much, it was easy for me to implement it to my own self.
I mean, he didn't have to be around for me to understand what I got to do to make something shake.
So he implemented that into us, the hard work and the discipline.
And, man, I give all the credit to him to me being here today.
I appreciate.
I respect the hell out of that.
And I know, you know, coming out of SC, you know, you were highly touted going into
SC.
You had a great high school career illustrious.
How disappointing was it to go fourth round?
Because I went fifth round.
So I went lower than you.
You went lower than me.
I understand.
It wasn't the best.
It wasn't the best experience.
You probably, you know, exactly how I felt.
just for me because I feel like coming out for the draft,
I was, they were saying, you know,
you might go second, third round.
That's kind of where we have you slotted.
Maybe one or two teams have you going fourth round,
but everyone else had me second or third round.
So I had everything set up day two,
you know, a bunch of family, basically like a little draft party.
And that kind of got, you know, it was, it went to shit.
It was, it was terrible because you're just sitting there for a loss.
Like, we were sitting there for like four hours because that second day is wrong.
So we're there for like four hours and everyone is waiting to hear my name called.
There's tension in the room.
You can feel it.
And I never heard my name called.
But, you know, I feel like that all happened for a reason.
I remember, you know, having to send everyone home telling them, thank you for showing up.
I'm sorry, it didn't work out.
And then the next day I showed up again.
It was way less people, just my family and some few other friends.
And I heard my name called pretty early that day.
It was like 20 minutes into the draft.
So that was nice.
But going to bed that day was, it was tough.
But it was definitely a night.
I'll never forget.
Bro, I'll never forget it.
It was exactly the same, except my parents for some reason,
we didn't have any money or anything,
and they maxed out their credit cards to rent a room in Vegas.
I told them, I don't know when I'm getting drafted.
Like, it could be second round.
It could be second day.
It could be third day.
So it was exactly the same.
You got to, you know what I mean?
I can't express like the embarrassment you feel, you know what I mean?
Even though it's something out of your control.
Crazy.
Like, you don't have anything.
You know what I mean?
I can't do anything.
thing but put on the tape that I already put on.
But you still feel like I let these people down, even though in reality you didn't let
them down at all.
But it put a fire in me that I don't know if anything else could have put that in me.
Right.
And I think it definitely helped me as a, that fire that you're talking about for sure.
I feel like that got me, that got me going.
I mean, I would say today, I don't know if it's the same fire of, you know, me being
drafted late, that same, you know, motivation.
but I definitely, I still have a list of the receivers,
and I read it every day before practice.
But for me now, I'm chasing something else.
I feel like as I get more removed from the draft,
I'm thinking about other things,
and the draft is so far away,
but I'll never forget tonight.
No, and I mean, you get me for 120.
I forget a lot of things, too.
Talk to me about that, because you've come a long way, you know,
and very, very incredible career.
You know, you've been incredibly productive,
helped turn this whole organization around.
You talk about y'all getting into the NFC championship.
You were a very huge integral part of that,
along with Jared Gough and Penae Sewell, you know,
and the pieces you guys have.
Tell me how good it felt to write your name on that dotted line
after all the hard work and dedication you put in.
Yeah, it was an amazing feeling.
I feel like, you know, not the end of the road,
definitely not the end of the road,
but definitely a step that I've always wanted to take
and always had in mind, you know,
coming here as a rookie, I wasn't like,
you know, I want to sign this big deal.
My whole thing was, I want to get on the field,
I want to make plays.
Then once I got on the field,
I was like, I want to have so many yards.
And once I had those yards,
I was like, let's win some games.
Now let's go try to get a Super Bowl.
So for me, like, my goals kind of evolve each and every year.
And, you know, to get the deal done was, I mean,
I can't think, there's some people that I can thank, you know,
my age and my family, my people that support me,
my coaches, my teammates,
the whole, you know, organized, lined organization.
It was, it was amazing.
But like I said, it wasn't my goal coming into the league.
Obviously, everyone wants to get paid.
That's why, you know, it's why a lot of people play the game.
But it wasn't like, oh, I want to get paid in four years.
It was, let me see if I can make some plays.
Once I started doing that, let me do this.
And it kind of just worked out that way.
And I was actually signed my deal the day before the draft.
So it was like a full circle moment.
I got drafted almost three years ago before I signed a deal.
So it was pretty cool.
Tell me how your conversations was with your brothers.
You know, I don't know how your relationship is with your brothers, but my brother called me immediately.
He was sitting there on a stage with me.
We sitting there cheers in with my dad that night.
You know, it was just a really surreal moment because those are the guys that you talk about it with, you dream about it with.
You grind through it with.
And to not that this is the peak of the mountain, but just to kind of check another box off the goals and accomplishments.
How was that?
Yeah, it was, it was a good feeling.
I remember, and I was in the car, this was like two days before the draft.
So the draft was in Detroit, and I was out in Detroit doing some appearances and stuff
that had already, you know, committed to months in advance.
So I was going to be in Detroit either way.
And I was out there, and my agent called me.
I was in the car going to someone to do an event, whatever.
And he goes, you know, I think we've got a deal done.
And so he runs me through the deal.
I said, he said, I think we should take this deal.
I was like, let's do it.
Sounds good.
And so right after that, I texted my parents.
I had a good child with my parents and my two brothers.
I said the deal was done.
You know, four years, I'm under two a men.
They were like, my mom texted me right away.
She was in Germany at the time.
So the whole, I think it was like 1 a.m.
where she was at.
But she answered her phone.
She texted right back.
She actually called me, but I was busy doing something else.
So I answered real quick.
I said, hold on.
And she would just tell me how proud she was.
And she can't believe it.
And then my dad texted me that he's proud of me.
My brother's texting me.
And then it got leads to them on Twitter
and then everyone my phone just started blowing up
and it was over from then.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, then it's over with.
It's over with.
Have you got a chance to spend any time
with your brother since the deal happened
or with your family?
You know, obviously that day was so special.
But do you get a chance to, like,
you guys got any traditions,
you guys meet up once a year or do anything like that?
Yeah, so I actually live with my brother with Osiris.
I live with him back in L.A.
So, you know, we live together there.
and then Equanimus lives about five minutes from in LA.
So we're always together.
We work out together.
We do a lot of stuff together.
And then my parents only live in Orange County.
So it was like an hour away from L.A.
So that's not far.
All they come and visit, eat dinner with us, like once every two weeks.
So we're together a lot.
We actually went to Germany.
I would say that was maybe a celebration.
We all went to Germany this summer.
We had a camp out there, which was super fun.
But now, we spent a lot of time together as a family.
kind of, you know, just being able to spend time together,
maybe not necessarily celebrate the contract,
but just to be together because you never know,
you know, life is too short to not spend time with your family.
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success you guys had offensively.
Him coming back was a big boom for you guys.
How surprised were you that he returned?
Yeah, I was I was super surprised.
I would say I was surprised the year before then when he returned.
And so he returned, that was the NFC championship year.
So last year when he returned, I was like, damn, I can't even came back.
I'm excited.
Let's do it.
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to learn new plays and I found out he was staying again.
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but to see the stuff that, you know, the plays that he designs,
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Granted, we do have good players, but he puts us in positions to win more times
than not.
And, man, his work ethic, I think, I think is unmatched as a coach.
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because he seems like it's got a really cool story.
You know, obviously he was banged up coming in.
They still drafted him.
You know, he had some spark, some big plays last year in the NFC championship.
I remember him getting the reverse early and scoring a touchdown.
But this year it just seems like he's finally like showing the promise that he showed in college.
And, you know, obviously as a number one receiver yourself just got paid, it takes some of the stress off of you.
You know what I mean?
It takes some of the heat off you, take some of the double teams, some of the brackets off of you.
Tell me about how you've helped his development and what he's been able to do the last couple years.
Yeah, Jim was in a beast, man.
You guys can see it finally.
I feel like it's been a couple years.
It took a couple of years to find it for him to get going.
But, you know, he's had some hiccups along the way with the injury, like you said.
Last year, you know, they got him for gambling.
So he missed a few games.
So this is finally the first year where he had a full OTAs, full training camp under his belt.
You know, no setbacks, no injuries.
And now he's able to really showcase what he can really do in.
He's, man, he's fast as hell, man.
He can run.
I think teams know that going into the game,
but it's different when you see it on tape
and they're actually out there running.
So, you know, we have plays for him up every week of going deep
and, you know, everyone knows it.
It's not a secret, but you've got to stop it.
But he's been playing great for us in the last two games.
He had 120-something yards, the first game.
Last game, the second drive, I think was the first play.
We threw a pick on the first play.
We'd get comeback, first play out.
We throw a bomb to J-M-on-50 yards.
So him opening up the, you know,
being able to open up plays for guys like me under that, you know,
catch more balls underneath is super, you know, it's super, it's important, I think,
for an offense to have different levels like that.
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There might be some more room underneath.
So it's tough to play us.
And I think, you know, us having a bunch of different, you know, weapons and gadgets like that on our team, it creates, you know, matchup nightmares for defenses.
How was it when, when Jared was traded?
Like, when that news hit, you know, I'm sure you did.
I don't know how much you knew about him before he got to Detroit.
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He could play.
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But he played at a high level for a long time.
So what were you thinking about him and what do you think about him now
as he's been your teammate and helped you to a huge contract
and help this offense be one of the top in the NFL?
Yeah, I think he's one of the best in the league of what he does.
I might be biased.
But when I first got to Detroit, you know, I knew he was a quarterback.
I knew he was traded, obviously.
I knew Stackler wasn't there anymore.
But I didn't really know too much about it except for what I saw on TV.
I know he was a quarterback for the Rams prior.
They went to the Super Bowl, lost the Patriots, stuff like that.
But I didn't know anything about him as a human being.
Not too much of him as a player.
I mean, like I said, I saw the games on TV,
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TV versus in person.
So, you know, my rookie year, like I said, I wasn't really worried about Jared.
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If he throws me a ball, you know, I got to catch it.
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And then kind of as a year has gone on, have gone on.
We built a kind of chemistry.
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I think his, obviously everyone knows he's accurate and whatnot, but I think his ability to
stay calm throughout games is really what to me as a player, I haven't seen too many players do.
Whether he's throwing a touchdown or interception, he's always, you know, for the most far,
he's even keel, he's level-headed. I think that's important for a quarterback because you're making
decision out there, you know, a lot of the, you know, pressure is on the quarterback to make the right
reads, getting the right protection, whatever it is. And he's, you know, he's looked so calm doing it.
So I really, you know, I commend him for that because I feel like it calms us down as players in the
office. When you're in the huddle, when he's calm, shoot, everyone else is calm and can do their job.
So it's been awesome, you know, to play for him. I'm excited to play for him for the next four
or five years, whatever it is. This city of Detroit has been thirsting for success. Obviously,
I'm sure they've told you many times about the lack of playoff success, the lack of playoff of
So to have that such an amazing run last year all the way to the NFC championship, the furthest that Detroit has been in a long time ever, I believe.
How was the city and how has it been since then?
Because, I mean, from the outside looking in, it looks like the energy is incredible.
The fans are super behind you guys.
The city is just woken up and really embraced this team and elevated and they're showing up in big ways.
But how have you seen it from a player's perspective?
The fans, man, I think they're the best.
I think it's the best in the world, obviously.
So I went to USC.
I've been in California my whole life.
You know, there's so much ado in California.
I don't know what the fans, the team's not winning, man.
They're going to go to the beach.
They're going to go to Hollywood.
They're going to go, you know, do something else, go to Santa Monica.
If you're not winning, if you're winning, yeah, they might show up still.
They might not.
In Detroit, they're showing up win, loser, draw.
They're at every game.
And, you know, since my rookie year, they've been in almost, I mean, it's been
packed every game, but I can tell that it's only grown since we started winning.
The fans, man, the energy that they bring is, it's infectious.
I feel like for us as players, home games, they're loud.
I feel like we might have won the loudest games in the league now.
I don't know.
I know chiefs, you know, chiefs are loud.
There's some other loud ones, but I feel like we might be up there.
You've got to ask the players I play against us, I don't know.
But I feel like we're up there, man.
But now, the fans of Detroit, like, I'll go out to eat sometimes, and people will come up to me and be like,
I just want to say thank you for, you know,
bringing life to the city.
Like, we just want to thank you for what you guys have done.
And to me, it's like, if I feel like in L.A. or in California,
I would never get that.
Like, there's so much to do.
No fans coming up to me talking about thank you for what you're doing for the city.
Like here, it's like they live and breathe and die for football.
And so we're, I'm glad that we're able to bring that joy to these fans because they deserve it.
They've stuck with us for so long.
But we just, man, we want to bring them more because they deserve it.
So we got to keep going.
No question, no question.
I mean, are you going to dye your hair back blue?
I think it seems like that work.
For the playoffs of that, I think I might have to do it.
You kind of have to.
I'm not.
I love that.
I love that.
Well, who in this league, you know, you see some very talented receivers,
but who's the toughest corner out there?
Because you've got some pretty good ones in your division, Jair, Jailen.
I think Byron is a pretty good corner.
But who you think is the toughest corner that you've seen in this football league?
That's a good question.
corner.
A guy that I really like is Patrick Certainne.
He's one of my favorite.
Boy, smooth.
I think he's, you know, he's patient at the line.
Can run, got size, is smart.
Can make a play on the ball.
I think he has, you know, he has it all.
So he's definitely one of my favorite DPs in this week.
Yeah, I think so, too.
I think he's the best.
You know, I like sauce and what he's done.
But Certain is just so.
I mean, you look at him press, you look at him off, you look at him in chaotic situations, he does not care.
He's following the best receiver.
He's jogging around.
He's no matter what the route is, he's competitive.
He's always tight in his coverage.
I mean, it's hard to find a clip where you're like, hmm, that was a rough rep.
Not with him.
Yeah, he's nice.
He's sticky.
Yeah.
What about receivers?
You know, obviously, you guys were in a competition and who's going to be the highest
paid this year and somehow the receiver market is boomed in a way that I do.
never saw it coming. I can't imagine I ever thought the receiver market would be bigger than
the tackle market in this sport. But it is, it is right now. I mean, y'all are at $35 million
and whatever Jamar gets, it pushes it higher. What do you think is led to that? Because it's been,
I mean, it's been over the last couple years because it wasn't always this way. Yeah. I don't know.
I feel like, you know, cap has gone up. Obviously, that's big. But for us as players,
get, you know, more money available to pay the players.
But I think, you know, receivers is such a growing position.
I think we've become even more important as the years have gone on.
I think there's so much more that goes into than just football.
Obviously, you've got football and you've got football.
You've got jersey sales.
You got fantasy football.
There's so much that goes into receiver, the stardom.
And I feel like, you know, one player gets played this.
The next guy's always going to get a little more.
The next guy's going to get a little more.
So you just keep up and up and up and up.
And then at some point, you're at, what, $35 million now?
the next guy might get 36.
And then in two years from now, you might have 37, 38.
And I think there's so many good receivers in this league now.
If you asked me to name a top five, I couldn't name it.
I can give you a top 15, top 20 because I feel like each team has a, you know,
a dominant receiver or to be soon dominant receiver.
So it's a passing league.
It's the game is so offensive.
They want, you know, offensive scores as many points as possible.
So that's not.
At least you know.
Right.
It's talking about the way the game's going.
You can't touch us.
You can't grab us.
All the rules are for us.
We love it.
We're not complaining.
But it's an offensive.
We are all the time.
We know you guys are.
But it's awesome to see, man.
I'm glad, you know, guys are getting paid because they deserve it.
Did that have any influence on you doing the receiver documentary and have you watched it?
Yeah, I watched it.
And not really.
They actually came up to me.
This was, you know, right before our first game last year,
the Chiefs.
They asked if I want to do it.
I said, yeah, I'm down.
I'm down to do it.
Just, you know, let me talk to Coach Campbell and see if, you know, get his permission first
because I know cameras around on the team.
I don't want to be distracted to my team, man, so he said it's all good.
You can do it as long as you're not distraction.
And so they were super, super easy.
They only came to, you know, film one practice a week, Wednesday practice.
They always mic'd up for every game.
And outside of the facility, they probably recorded me like six or seven times
on things that were like, things that I do regularly, not like, oh, we want you to go to this.
It's like, hey, I go get dinners on Friday.
Okay, can we come be a fly on the while I record that?
Sure, let's do it.
So it was super easy, super, you know, non-invasive.
And I'm glad I did it because, you know, looking back in 10 years, I can look back on it with my kids, whoever, show them that.
And it was a lot of fun.
We weren't far into playoffs.
It was a good season.
And end up working out beautifully.
How many kids you got?
How many kids do I have?
Mm-hmm. Zero.
Okay. All right. That's it.
Take time. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. Keep practicing.
Keep practicing. You'll get it one day.
Oh, well, I know it's your off day, brother, and I know, you know, you could be anywhere in the world.
I appreciate you taking the time with me.
A big fan of your game. If you got any questions for me, you know, obviously I play DB,
so I'm here to complain about all the rules and everything and say the game needs to change.
in my day kind of ordeal.
I appreciate you.
Be sure, man.
Thank you.
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